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>On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:1 7 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
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> What's your number?
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>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Levine, Mike <Mike.levine@abc.com> wrote:
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>> Hey guys, wanted to a ddress something ASAP... Apparently our affiliate in Phoenix is hearing that
the AG met with Bill Clinton on a plane last night for close to an hour. They seem to think it's somehow
connected to the Benghazi report released today (I'm not sure what t he connection would be). But
hoping I can provide them some guidance ASAP. Thanks
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>>-Mike
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>On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Newman, Melanie {OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
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> I'm not but heading back. I'll call you.
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>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Levine, Mike <Mike.Levine@abc.com> wrote:
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>>Are you in your office? I can by in like 15 or so
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> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Newman, Melanie {OPA) <Melanie.Newman.@usdoj.gov> wrote:
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>>>What's your number?
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>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Levine, Mike <Mike.Levine@abc.com> wrote:
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>>Hey guys, wanted to address something ASAP ... Apparently our affiliate in Phoenix is hearing that
the AG met with Bill Clinton on a plane last night for close to an hour. They seem to think it's somehow
connected to the Benghazi report released today (I'm not sure what the connection would be}. But
hoping I can provide them some guidance ASAP. Thanks
>>>>
>>>>-Mike
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Thanks, Melanie
Matt Dean
Department of Justice & Federal Law Enforcement Producer
Fox News Channel
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Matt,
As I mentioned on the phone, this question was asked in yesterday's media availability in Phoenix. I've
included the transcript of the one exchange on this topic, as well as a link to the one report that mentions
the exchange.
http://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2016/06/28/ag-loretta-lynch-praises-phoenix-police-training/
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of Benghazi
come up at all or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTOR.l\'EY GEN""ERJ\L L\7NCH: No. Actually, while I was landng at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane_ Our
conversation was a great deal about bis grandchildren. It was primary social and about our travels. He
mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he' d had in \Vest Virginia. We talked about
former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any
matter pending before the department or any matter pending before any other body. There was no discussion
of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails. by way of example_ I would say the current news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean_ And again, the departmenf s not involved in that or
implicated in that.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
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@MelanieDOJ
A ITOR.l\"EY GEl'l""ERl\L LYNCH: So let me first thank the mayor of this great city, ~ayor
Stanton as well as the p olice chief of this. outst<mcling department. Chief Joe Y ahne.r. They have
welcomed me to the city~ they have opened the doors of this department to me, and we've seen
some truly outstanding police work going on here. I want to thank them for their service and for
their dedication to the people of Phoenix_ I am here in Phoenix today as a part of a six city
community policing tour. It began earlier this. year in 20 16 and I have already had the pleasure of
visiting Miami and around Florida, P ortland, Oregon, Indianapolis, Indiana, and Fayetteville,
North Carolina_Tomorrow, fll be concluding the tour in Los Angeles, California. And in each
stop along the way in each of these cities rm
highlighting one of six pillars of commwity policing,
identifying the final report of the President's task force on 21st century policing. Younrecall this
came out a little over a year ago. But the report contains a mnnber of common sense
adaptable recommendations for commmlities seeking to create a more collaborative approach to
law enforcement and to public safety. And on this stop, what has brought me to Phoenix today,
we' re focusing on training and education, vital components of any successful law enforcement
agency and an area where the Phoenix police department does indeed excel. From the
(INAUDIBLE) police department's introduction of de-escalation training to their creation of a
specially trained mental health crisis. intervention squad. The Phoenix police department is ensuring
that their office have the tools that they need to respond to the unique challenges of contemporary
law enforcement. And just those two issues alone are some of the most pressing challenges facing
2 1st centary policing today. Now, earlier today, I had a chance to actually witness a de-
escalation training session in the Arizona Law Enforcement Academy. I was tremendously
impressed by the comprehensive instruction that the officers received here, and that we will be
highlighting going forward as an example to other departments across the country. As you know,
this is a topic of great concern. We look at certain issues and cases, and people within the
community often have questions about how officers are trained, about when .a nd how they employ
de-escalation, and I saw, frankly, thoughtful. substantive, effective approach to a mnnber of
different scenarios_ And let me commend the training officers as well as the officers who go
through this training here. We in the Department of Justice are determined to do our part,
however, to work with our state and local partners to improve their educational capacity,
particularly in this regard of training. We Offer a wide range of grants, we offer training sessions,
we offer technical: assistance through our office of Comnumity Oriented P olicing Services of
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ATIOR:l\" EY GENERAL LYNCH : So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter in
the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly_ They follow the facts and
evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not discuss
any case "vith anyone at the \Vhite House, so the endorsement by the President does not impact
any of the case that we're working on.
REPORTER : Will that be completed before the election?
ATIORJ'\"EY GE1""'ERl\L LYN CH: I can' t give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which \vill be reviewed. So rm not able to give you timing on that, but I will tell
you that people are working expeditiously.
REPORTER: Vlhat are you doing "vith your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAlJl)ffiLE) police departments as. a way of saying, "Look at what these people are doing,
implement the same strategies." Is that the purpose?
REPORTER: Somces say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIORJ\'EY GE~'ERAL L\71'CH: No. Actually, while Twas landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband
on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social
and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and be mentioned travels he d
had West Virginia We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we
both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter
pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi. no discussion of the state
department emails, by way of example. I would say the cWTent news of the day was the Brexit
decision, and what that might mean. .t\nd again, the department's not involved in that or
implicated in that.
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix P.D. is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATTORJ\~Y GEI\''"ERU LYNCH: You know I think what we can say to conmmnities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work with their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community
policing. That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find to
be a very important component to building a trusting relationship. The Phoenix Police Department
has also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for example really
takes a situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can resolve a
situation before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results ob,iously in safer comrmmities,
safer people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So what rn say to
communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that there have been
situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (Il\AUDIBLE) relationship between
law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and commitment on both
sides and we re happy to work with community leaders and community members to also gi\'e
them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other communities who had very
positive progress in this regard.
REPORTER: Do you have any updat.e on the Justice Department's investigation of the
Maricopa County Recorder' s Office in the March Presidential Primary election?
REPORTER : Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting our
tO\'\'tl as well. What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the things
that you saw today?
A ITOR"\"EY GE1'"ERAL LY~CH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I
saw. This is the second time that I've had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which
focuses on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why
they became police officers - and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and safe
and healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the cities
where we've seen this. training in place, we've in fact seen positive community relationships as. a
result of that I also think that the fact that the Phoenix Police Department is taking ownership of
these issues and saying we're going to come up with the best training possible.' In fact, I ako
think that the Phoenix Police Department' s dealing with mentally challenged individuals who may
encounter in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis. Intervention teams. is a tremendous. example
of dealing with this issue. The issue of how we deal with suspects who present with mental illness
or other forms of trauma is a tremendous challenge to law enforcement. because often the call
comes. from a friend or family member who cannot manage that person. Law enforcement
intervenes, and we do not want that to be a tragic result. But we have to have ways of dealing
with that
The Phoenix Police Department has taken the proactive step of creating that particular crisis
intervention team, which again, when we' ve seen that in jurisdictions across the country, has
resulted in a much more positive relationship with the community overall. Also, with people who
are .invohted in the mental health community, greater referrals to mental health pro,iders, greater
assistance to indi\iduals who are traumatized, as. opposed to pure law enforcement .intervention.
So, it' s really an example of the fact that policing, today, is about so much more about just
responding to a call of a bad guy breaking into a house_ They really have to be problem solvers.
Police officers, today, really have to know their community. They have to know the problems a:nd
situations and concerns that their specific c.ommunities present and focus on how they can
proactively .interact with them. And that s what I find very encouraging about this department.
REPORTER: Very recently, perhaps in the last hour, there was a bombing at the Istanbul
Airport. Have you been briefed on that yet'? And, if so, are there any details that you can share
with us?
AITOR.J."\"EY GEI\'"ERJ\L L\-XCR: Well, rm awaiting a briefing on that matter right now, so
I'm not able to share details with you. But, certainly we'll be looking into it to see what, if
(INAL"DIBLE) to do \'-"ith that
REPORTER: Can I ask you one more question. last week Reuters reported that you were
opposed to a White House-backed plan that allowed Guantanamo prisoners to plead guilty to
terrorism charges in federal court by video conference. Is that something you can confirm and
could you explain why you were opposed to that policy?
REPORTER : What was the issue there, what was the problem with \ideo?
AITORNEY GE1'""ERJ\.L LYNCH: Without going into specifics what I can say is that again as
many situations we' re often asked to look at potential issues involving criminal procedure, criminal
policy to make sure that, in fact, we' re going to do everything in compliance with the appropriate
(INAlJTIIBLE UNTIL 15:10)
REPORTER : ... And the standards for new recruits are no longer above the state minimum they
are now at the state level or do you have suggestions for us locally when we are ha\ing problems
(INAliDIBLE)
A ITORNEY GE1'X:RJ\.L LYKCH: You know I think that I would look at the overall training
here for all of the positive things that it is providing. I don' t have specific comment on the number
of hours of training, but in tenns of the substance of the training that I've seen, certainly with the
de-escalation training, that is something that we will be recommending to other departments that
they implement and take a look at As I mentioned before a few minutes ago, this department
does have the Crisis Intervention Team. The set-up and the operation of that kind of team is
something that we do recommend that other departments look at That often is a resource issue,
we understand that mmiicipalities are strapped, but again it has proven to be very, very
effective. And, I think that this department's focus on making Stu'e that officers are able to handle
the variety of situations that they come into contact \vith and use a variety of tools to manage them
is one that I think is consistent not just 'vith 21st century policing, but good, smart policing.
Ul\"'IDEN l'IF IED: Did everyone get a question? Did you get a question in the back?
REPORTER: I did not. I know that we're talking about Phoenix police right here, but this
community also is policed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. .Many of the communities, especially Latinos,
feel like they're (INAUDIBLE) criminal charges stemming from a long-running racial profiling
case. How would you respond to the community?
AITORl,"'EY GE!'""ER<\L LYNCH: There's an open ongoing matter invohing the sheriff and
some aspects of his achninistration so rm actually not able to gi\e you a comment on that now
because there is an open and ongoing matter in federal court
REPORTER : Would you have to sign off on any charges against the sheriff?
AITOR,X:Y GE1'"'ER<\L LY:\CH: You know, rm not able to give you that information I think
it' s premature right now, and again because it is open I can' t comment on where it is or what it's
headed towards.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So let me first thank the mayor of this great city, Mayor
Stanton as well as the police chief of this outstanding department, Chief Joe Yahner . They have
welcomed me to the city; they have opened the doors of this department to me, and weve seen
some truly outstanding police work going on here. I want to thank them for their service and for
their dedication to the people of Phoenix. I am here in Phoenix today as a part of a six city
community policing tour. It began earlier this year in 2016 and I have already had the pleasure of
visiting Miami and around Florida, Portland, O regon, Indianapolis, Indiana, and F ayetteville,
North Carolina. Tomorro w, Ill be concluding the tour in Los Angeles, California. And in each
stop along the way in each of these cities Im highlighting one of six pillars of community
policing, identifying the final report of the Presidents task force on 21st century
policing. Youll recall this came out a little over a year ago. But the report contains a number of
collaborative approach to law enforcement and to public safety. And on this stop, what has
brought me to Phoenix today, were focusing on training and education, vital components of any
successful law enforcement agency and an area where the Phoenix police department does
training to their creation of a specially trained mental health crisis intervention squad. The
Phoenix police department is ensuring that their office have the tools that they need to respond to
the unique challenges of contemporary law enforcement. And just those two issues alone are
some of the most pressing challenges facing 21st century policing today. N ow, earlier today, I
had a chance to actually witness a de-escalation training session in the Arizona Law Enforcement
Academy. I was tremendously impressed by the comprehensive instruction that the officers
received here, and that we will be highlighting going forward as an example to other departments
across the country. As you know, this is a topic of great concern. We look at certain issues and
cases, and people within the community often have questions about how officers are trained,
about when and how they employ de-escalation, and I saw, frankly, thoughtful, substantive,
effective approach to a number of different scenarios. And let me commend the training officers
as well as the officers who go through this training here. We in the Department of Justice are
determined to do our part, however, to work with our state and local partners to improve their
educational capacity, particularly in this regard of training. We offer a wide range of grants, we
offer training sessions, we offer technical assistance through our office of Community Oriented
Policing Services of COPS, our Office of Justice Programs, our Bureau of Justice Assistance, our
Civil Rights Division and our U.S. Attorneys Offices among other components. Now we intend
to continue looking for ways to provide assistance and support officers and the communities that
we all serve and protect. Now as the Attorney General, I am committed in highlighting this
work, such as the Blue C ourage training and the de-escalation training that I saw today, as ways
to keep both officers and the community safe, healthy and whole. Now of course, in addition to
the work that were doing with our state and local partners who are so important to us, we in the
department are also committed to ensuring that our own personnel are well-trained in the core
principles and best practices of community policing. And to that end, I am proud to say that the
Department of Justice is now requiring all of its law enforcement components and Assistant U.S.
Attorneys to undergo implicit bias training, something that has been rolled out at the local level
Departments commitment to holding itself to the same high standard. And let me, at this time,
thank the Deputy Attorney General, Sally Yates, and her team, for their leadership on this issue,
and we look forward to implementing this training in the weeks ahead at the federal level as
well. So again, thank you for joining me. Im delighted to be here in Phoenix, and Im happy to
Clinton. To what extent does his support for Hillary Clinton affect, in any way, your role as
Attorney General of the ongoing FBI investigation of candidate Clinton (IN AUDIBLE) her
emails.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter
in the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts
and evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not
discuss any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: I cant give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will be reviewed. So Im not able to give you timing on that, but I will
REPORTER: What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAUDIBLE) police departments as a way of saying, Look at what these people are doing,
Policing Tour. Were going to be highlighting the best practices that weve seen in the various
departments. In fact, well be having - were hoping to have that done by the time - the first
week in August, when we are highlighting our Community Policing Awards, an award that we
are inaugurating this year to a rank-and-file police officer who excels at community
policing. They can be nominated by the department or by the community, and we are still
renewing those as well. So that will - what will be available to departments, but specifically in
response to your question, we do often get outreach from police departments who come
primarily to our COPS office, and they will request technical training or assistance, they will ask
us to review different policies - for example, when a police de partment may say, Can you take a
look at my use of force policy? - and see if we need to do anything with that, to provide
assistance. We provide that assistance as part of the work of the Department, not necessarily as
part of an investigation, although it does come up in those manners as well. We also post
through the COPS office - we post information online, and we urge police departments who have
questions or concerns about training and situations they might be facing, to look on our website
and find departments that are in fact working in these areas. Because our goal is, for example, to
our de-escalation training, is there a department out there we can cons ult with? We would refer
them to Phoenix, for example. And that does happen, and we will be looking to the Phoenix
Police Department for that. We also, through our investigative work, published all of our
consent decrees on Civil Rights Divisions website. And we urge law enforcement officers and
departments to look at those as well, and to look at the situations that have led many jurisdictions
into problematic situations and see if they feel themselves trending in a particular way, to reach
out for assistance before an incident occurs or before the relationship becomes so frayed that
theyre not able to recover from an incident. So were trying to reach out and be proactive in a
number of different ways, and we will be using the Phoenix Police Department as an example
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary
social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned
travels hed had West Virginia.We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for
example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the
department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no
discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the departments not
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix P. D. is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work with their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community
policing. That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find
Department has also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for
example really takes a situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can
resolve a situation before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer
communities, safer people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So
what Ill say to communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that
there have been situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (IN AUDIBLE)
relationship between law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and
commitment on both sides and were happy to work with community leaders and community
members to also give them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No, I dont. I know that thats an area of concern here
locally but I dont have any information for you about that.
REPORTER: Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting
our town as well. What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue C ourage training that I
saw. This is the second time that Ive had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which
focuses on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why
they became police officers and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and
safe and healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the
cities where weve seen this training in place, weve in fact seen positive community
relationships as a result of that. I also think that the fact that the Phoenix Police Department is
taking ownership of these issues and saying Were going to come up with the best training
possible. In fact, I also think that the Phoenix Police Departments dealing with mentally
challenged individuals who may encounter in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis
Intervention teams is a tremendous example of dealing with this issue. The issue of how we deal
with suspects who present with mental illness or other forms of trauma is a tremendous challenge
to law enforcement, because often the call comes from a friend or family member who cannot
manage that person. Law enforcement intervenes, and we do not want that to be a tragic
The Phoenix Police Department has taken the proactive step of creating that particular crisis
intervention team, which again, when weve seen that in jurisdictions across the country, has
resulted in a much more positive relationship with the community overall. Also, with people
who are involved in the mental health community, greater referrals to mental health providers,
greater assistance to individuals who are traumatized, as opposed to pure law enforceme nt
intervention.
So, its really an example of the fact that policing, today, is about so much more about just
responding to a call of a bad guy breaking into a house. They really have to be problem solvers.
Police officers, today, really have to know their community. They have to know the problems
and situations and concerns that their specific communities present and focus on how they can
proactively interact with them. And thats what I find very encouraging about this department.
REPORTER: Very recently, perhaps in the last hour, there was a bombing at the Istanbul
Airport. Have you been briefed on that yet? And, if so, are there any details that you can share
with us?
Im not able to share details with you. But, certainly well be looking into it to see what, if
REPORTER: Can I ask you one more question, last week Reuters reported that you were
opposed to a White House-backed plan that allowed Guantanamo prisoners to plead guilty to
terrorism charges in federal court by video conference. Is that something you can confirm and
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, wha t I can tell you is that were often asked to
provide a view or an opinion as to the legal sufficiency of particular things that may be presented
on the hill or otherwise. And so, we always provide the best independant legal advice to the
White House or another agency that may ask us about that and we provide our opinion about the
legal issues presented. And I think that that would be a similar situation there as well. We
provide our opinion as to the legal issues so that when people are creating the policy or
REPORTER: What was the issue there, what was the problem with video?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Without going into specifics what I can say is that again as
many situations were often asked to look at potential issues involving criminal procedure,
criminal policy to make sure that, in fact, were going to do everything in compliance with the
REPORTER: And the standards for new recruits are no longer ab ove the state minimum
they are now at the state level or do you have suggestions for us locally when we are having
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know I think that I would look at the overall training
here for all of the positive things that it is providing. I dont have specific comment on the
number of hours of training, but in terms of the substance of the training that Ive seen, certainly
with the de-escalation training, that is something that we will be recommending to other
departments that they implement and take a look at. As I mentioned before a few minutes ago,
this department does have the Crisis Intervention Team. The set-up and the operation of that
kind of team is something that we do recommend that other departments look at. That often is a
resource issue, we understand that municipalities are strapped, but again it has proven to be very,
very effective. And, I think that this departments focus on making sure that officers are able to
handle the variety of situations that they come into contact with and use a variety of tools to
manage them is one that I think is consistent not just with 21st century policing, but good, smart
policing.
UNIDENTIFIED : Did everyone get a question? Did you get a question in the back?
REPORTER : I did not. I know that were talking about Phoenix police right here, but this
community also is policed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Many of the communities, especially Latinos,
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Theres an open ongoing matter involving the sheriff and
some aspects of his administration so Im actually not able to give you a comment on that now
REPORTER: Would you have to sign off on any charges against the sheriff?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, Im not able to give you that information I
Hiya,
Are you guys saying anything more re: the bill clinton meeting in Phoenix? Watched the video of the
presser where she talked about it.
Devlin Barrett
Wall Street Journa l
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AITOAA'EY GEI'l""'ERAL LYNCH: So let me first thank the mayor of this great city, Mayor
Stanton as well as the police chief of this outstanding department, Chief Joe Y abner. They have
welcomed me to the city; they have opened the doors of this department to me, and we've seen
some truly outstanding police work going on here. I w ant to thank them for their service and for
their dedication to the people of Phoenix. I am here in Phoenix today as a part of a six city
community policing tour. It began earlier this year in 2016 and I have already had the pleasure of
visiting Miami and around Florida, Portland, Oregon, Indianapolis, Indiana,. and Fayetteville,
North Carolina Tomorrow, I'll be concluding the tour in Los Angeles, California. And in each
stop along the way in each of these cities rm highlighting one of six pillars of commllllity policing,
identifying the final report of the President's task force on 21st century policing. You' ll recall this
crune out a little over a year ago. But the report contains a mnnber of common sense
adaptable recommendations for communities seeking to create a more collaborative approach to
law enforcement and to public safety. And on this stop, what has brought me to Phoenix today,
we're focusing on training and education, vital components of any snccessful law enforcement
agency and an area where the Phoenix police department does indeed excel From the
(INACDIBLE) police department's introduction of de-escalation training to their creation of a
specially trained mental health crisis intervention squad. The Phoenix police department is ensuring
that their office have the tools that they need to respond to the unique challenges of contemporary
law enforcement. And just those two issues alone are some of the most pressing challenges facing
21st century policing today. Now, earlier today, I had a chance to actually vitness a de-
escalation training session in the Arizona Law Enforcement Academy. I was tremendously
impressed by the comprehensive instruction that the officers received here, and that we will be
highlighting going forward as an example to other departments across the country. As yon know,
this is a topic of great concern. VvT e look at certain issues and cases. and people within the
community often have questions about how officers are trained, about when and how they employ
de-escalation, and I saw, frankly, thoughtful, substantive, effective approach to a number of
different scenarios. And let me commend the training officers as well as the officers who go
through this traiiiing here. We in the Department of Justice are determined to do our p~
however, to work with our state and local partners to improve their educational capacity,
particularly in this regard of training. We offer a wide range of grants, we offer training sessions,
we offer technical assistance through our office of Community Oriented Policing Services of
COPS, our Office of Justice Programs, our Bureau of Justice Assistance, our Civil Rights Division
and our U.S. Attorneys' Offices among other components. Now we intend to continue looking
for ways to provide assistance and support officers and the communities that we all serve and
.-\ITORNEY GE1'-"ERAL LYKCH: So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter in
the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts and
evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not discuss
any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not impact
any of the case that we' re working on.
REPORTER: Will that be completed before the election?
AITOR.~'"EY GEI\"'ERAL L\'l'CH: I can't give you a timing report on that because, again. I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will be reviewed. So rm not able to give you timing on that, but I will tell
you that people are working expeditiously.
REPORTER: What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAUDIBLE) police departments as a way of say]ng, "Look at what these people are doing,
implement the same strategies."' Is that the purpose?
REPORTER: Sonrces say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIOR.l\11'. Y GEI'{ERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airpo~ I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband
on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social
and about onr travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix. and he mentioned travels he'd
had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we
both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter
pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state
department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit
decision. and what that might mean. And again. the departments not involved in that or
implicated in that
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix P .D. is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATIOR1''l:Y GE1''ERAL LYNCH: You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work with their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community
poking. That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find to
be a very important component to building a trusting relationship. The Phoenix Police Department
has also emphasized the training that l mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for example really
takes a situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can resolve a
situation before resulting in the ultimate use offorce. That results obviously in safer communities,
safer people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So what I'll say to
communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that there have been
situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (INAliTIIBLE) relationship between
law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and commitment on both
sides and we' re happy to work with community leaders and community members to also give
them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other communities who had very
positive progress in this regard
REPORTER: Do you have any update on the Justice Department's investigation of the
Maricopa County Recorder's Office in the March Presidential Primary election?
AITOR.l\'EY GE1''"ERAL LYNCH: No, I don' t I know that that's an area of concern here
locally but I don' t have any information for you about that.
ATTOR"'-'"EY GE1''"'ER.i\L L~CH : You know. what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I
saw. This is the second time that rve had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which
focuses on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why
they became police officers - and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and safe
and healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the cities
where we've seen this training in place, we've in fact seen positi\'e community relationships as a
result of th.al I also think that the fact th.at the Phoenix Police Department is taking O\Vnership of
these issues and saying 'We' re going to come up with the best training possible.' In fact, I also
think that the Phoenix Police Departmenf s dealing with mentally challenged indMduals who may
encowiter in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis Intervention te.ams is a tremendous example
of dealing with this issue. The issue of how we deal wtb suspects who present with mental illness
or other forms of trm.nna is a tremendous challenge to law enforcement, because often the call
comes from a friend or family member who cannot manage that person. Law enforcement
intervenes, and we do not want that to be a tragic result. But we have to have ways of dealing
with that.
The Phoenix Police Department has taken the proactive step of creating that particular crisis
intervention team, which again, when we've seen that in jwisdictions across the country, has
resulted in a much more positiYe relationship with the community overall Also, "ith people who
are irnolved in the mental health community, greater referrals to mental health providers, greater
assistance to indMdnals who are trainnatized, as opposed to pure law enforcement intervention.
So, it' s really an example of the fact that policing, today, is about so much more about just
responding to a call of a bad guy breaking into a house. They really have to be problem solvers.
Police officers, today, really have to know their community. They have to know the problems and
situations and concerns that their specific communities present and focus on how they can
proactively interact \vith them. And that' s what I find very encouraging about this department
REPORTER: Very recently, perhaps in the last hour, there was a bombing at the Istanbul
Airport Have you been briefed on that yet? And, if so, are there any details that you c.an share
\vith us?
AITORl\'EY GEI'\'"ER.U. LYI\CH: Well, rm awaiting a briefing on that matter right now, so
I'm not able to share details with you. But, certainly we'Dbe looking into it to see what, if
(Il\Au"DIBLE) to do with thaL
REPORTER: Can I ask you one more question, last week Reuters reported that you were
opposed to a White House-backed plan that allowed Guantanamo prisoners to plead guilty to
terrorism charges in federal court by video conference. ls that something you can confirm and
could you explain why you were opposed to that policy?
AITOR1'' EY GE1'"ERU LYKCH: \Vell, what I can tell you is that we're often asked to
provide a view or an opinion as to the legal sufficiency of particular things th.at may be presented
REPORTER: '\\'bat was the issue there, what was the problem with video?
AITOR.'11\i"'EY GENER.l\L LThCH: Without going into specifics what I can say is that again as
many situations we're often asked to look at potential issues involving criminal procedme, criminal
policy to make sure that, in fact, we' re going to do everything in compliance with the appropriate
(INAL"DIBLE UNTIL 15:10)
REPORTER: __ _And the standards for new recruits are no longer above the state minimum they
m-e now at the state level or do you have suggestions for us locally when we are having problems
(INAUDIBLE)
ATTORNEY GE1'-"ERAL LYKCH: You know I think that I would look at the overall training
here for all of the positive things that it is providing_ I dont have specific comment on the number
of hours of training, but in terms of the substance of the training that I've seen, certainly 'vith the
de-escalation training, that is something that we will be recommending to other departments that
they implement and take a look at As I mentioned before a few minutes ago, this department
does ha\'e the Crisis Intervention Team_ The set-up and the operation of that kind of team is
something that we do recommend that other departments look at That often is a resource issue,
we understand that municipalities are strapped, but again it has proven to be very, very
effective_ And, I think that this department's focus on making sure that officers are able to handle
the variety of situations that they come into contact with and use a variety of tools to manage them
is one that I think is consistent not just with 21st century policing, but good, smart policing_
Ul'iIDEl'i llFIED: Did everyone get a question? Did you get a question in the bade?
REPORTER I did not. I know that we're talking about Phoenix police right here, but this
community also is policed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio_ )..1any of the communities, especially Latinos,
feel like they're (INAUDIBLE) criminal charges stemming from a long-running racial profiling
case. How would you respond to the community?
ATTOR.l\'EY GE1'"ER.l\.L LYNCH: There,s an open ongoing matter involving the sheriff and
some aspects of his administration so rm actually not able to give you a comment on that now
because there is an open and ongoing matter in federal court
REPORTER: would you have to sign off on any charges against the sheriff?
AITOR.i'"'E\' GEJ\"ERl\L LYKCH: You know. I'm not able to give you that information I think
it, s premature right now, and again because it is open I can, t comment on where it is or what it,s
headed towards_
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So let me first thank the mayor of this great city, Mayor
Stanton as well as the police chief of this outstanding department, Chief Joe Yahner . They have
welcomed me to the city; they have opened the doors of this department to me, and weve seen
some truly outstanding police work going on here. I want to thank them for their service and for
their dedication to the people of Phoenix. I am here in Phoenix today as a part of a six city
community policing tour. It began earlier this year in 2016 and I have already had the pleasure of
visiting Miami and around Florida, Portland, O regon, Indianapolis, Indiana, and F ayetteville,
North Carolina. Tomorro w, Ill be concluding the tour in Los Angeles, California. And in each
stop along the way in each of these cities Im highlighting one of six pillars of community
policing, identifying the final report of the Presidents task force on 21st century
policing. Youll recall this came out a little over a year ago. But the report contains a number of
collaborative approach to law enforcement and to public safety. And on this stop, what has
brought me to Phoenix today, were focusing on training and education, vital components of any
successful law enforcement agency and an area where the Phoenix police department does
training to their creation of a specially trained mental health crisis intervention squad. The
Phoenix police department is ensuring that their office have the tools that they need to respond to
the unique challenges of contemporary law enforcement. And just those two issues alone are
some of the most pressing challenges facing 21st century policing today. N ow, earlier today, I
had a chance to actually witness a de-escalation training session in the Arizona Law Enforcement
Academy. I was tremendously impressed by the comprehensive instruction that the officers
received here, and that we will be highlighting going forward as an example to other departments
across the country. As you know, this is a topic of great concern. We look at certain issues and
cases, and people within the community often have questions about how officers are trained,
about when and how they employ de-escalation, and I saw, frankly, thoughtful, substantive,
effective approach to a number of different scenarios. And let me commend the training officers
as well as the officers who go through this training here. We in the Department of Justice are
determined to do our part, however, to work with our state and local partners to improve their
educational capacity, particularly in this regard of training. We offer a wide range of grants, we
offer training sessions, we offer technical assistance through our office of Community Oriented
Policing Services of COPS, our Office of Justice Programs, our Bureau of Justice Assistance, our
Civil Rights Division and our U.S. Attorneys Offices among other components. Now we intend
to continue looking for ways to provide assistance and support officers and the communities that
we all serve and protect. Now as the Attorney General, I am committed in highlighting this
work, such as the Blue C ourage training and the de-escalation training that I saw today, as ways
to keep both officers and the community safe, healthy and whole. Now of course, in addition to
the work that were doing with our state and local partners who are so important to us, we in the
department are also committed to ensuring that our own personnel are well-trained in the core
principles and best practices of community policing. And to that end, I am proud to say that the
Department of Justice is now requiring all of its law enforcement components and Assistant U.S.
Attorneys to undergo implicit bias training, something that has been rolled out at the local level
Departments commitment to holding itself to the same high standard. And let me, at this time,
thank the Deputy Attorney General, Sally Yates, and her team, for their leadership on this issue,
and we look forward to implementing this training in the weeks ahead at the federal level as
well. So again, thank you for joining me. Im delighted to be here in Phoenix, and Im happy to
Clinton. To what extent does his support for Hillary Clinton affect, in any way, your role as
Attorney General of the ongoing FBI investigation of candidate Clinton (IN AUDIBLE) her
emails.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter
in the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts
and evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not
discuss any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: I cant give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will be reviewed. So Im not able to give you timing on that, but I will
REPORTER: What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAUDIBLE) police departments as a way of saying, Look at what these people are doing,
Policing Tour. Were going to be highlighting the best practices that weve seen in the various
departments. In fact, well be having - were hoping to have that done by the time - the first
week in August, when we are highlighting our Community Policing Awards, an award that we
are inaugurating this year to a rank-and-file police officer who excels at community
policing. They can be nominated by the department or by the community, and we are still
renewing those as well. So that will - what will be available to departments, but specifically in
response to your question, we do often get outreach from police departments who come
primarily to our COPS office, and they will request technical training or assistance, they will ask
us to review different policies - for example, when a police de partment may say, Can you take a
look at my use of force policy? - and see if we need to do anything with that, to provide
assistance. We provide that assistance as part of the work of the Department, not necessarily as
part of an investigation, although it does come up in those manners as well. We also post
through the COPS office - we post information online, and we urge police departments who have
questions or concerns about training and situations they might be facing, to look on our website
and find departments that are in fact working in these areas. Because our goal is, for example, to
our de-escalation training, is there a department out there we can cons ult with? We would refer
them to Phoenix, for example. And that does happen, and we will be looking to the Phoenix
Police Department for that. We also, through our investigative work, published all of our
consent decrees on Civil Rights Divisions website. And we urge law enforcement officers and
departments to look at those as well, and to look at the situations that have led many jurisdictions
into problematic situations and see if they feel themselves trending in a particular way, to reach
out for assistance before an incident occurs or before the relationship becomes so frayed that
theyre not able to recover from an incident. So were trying to reach out and be proactive in a
number of different ways, and we will be using the Phoenix Police Department as an example
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary
social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned
travels hed had West Virginia.We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for
example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the
department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no
discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the departments not
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix P. D. is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work with their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community
policing. That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find
Department has also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for
example really takes a situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can
resolve a situation before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer
communities, safer people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So
what Ill say to communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that
there have been situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (IN AUDIBLE)
relationship between law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and
commitment on both sides and were happy to work with community leaders and community
members to also give them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No, I dont. I know that thats an area of concern here
locally but I dont have any information for you about that.
REPORTER: Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting
our town as well. What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue C ourage training that I
saw. This is the second time that Ive had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which
focuses on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why
they became police officers and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and
safe and healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the
cities where weve seen this training in place, weve in fact seen positive community
relationships as a result of that. I also think that the fact that the Phoenix Police Department is
taking ownership of these issues and saying Were going to come up with the best training
possible. In fact, I also think that the Phoenix Police Departments dealing with mentally
challenged individuals who may encounter in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis
Intervention teams is a tremendous example of dealing with this issue. The issue of how we deal
with suspects who present with mental illness or other forms of trauma is a tremendous challenge
to law enforcement, because often the call comes from a friend or family member who cannot
manage that person. Law enforcement intervenes, and we do not want that to be a tragic
The Phoenix Police Department has taken the proactive step of creating that particular crisis
intervention team, which again, when weve seen that in jurisdictions across the country, has
resulted in a much more positive relationship with the community overall. Also, with people
who are involved in the mental health community, greater referrals to mental health providers,
greater assistance to individuals who are traumatized, as opposed to pure law enforceme nt
intervention.
So, its really an example of the fact that policing, today, is about so much more about just
responding to a call of a bad guy breaking into a house. They really have to be problem solvers.
Police officers, today, really have to know their community. They have to know the problems
and situations and concerns that their specific communities present and focus on how they can
proactively interact with them. And thats what I find very encouraging about this department.
REPORTER: Very recently, perhaps in the last hour, there was a bombing at the Istanbul
Airport. Have you been briefed on that yet? And, if so, are there any details that you can share
with us?
Im not able to share details with you. But, certainly well be looking into it to see what, if
REPORTER: Can I ask you one more question, last week Reuters reported that you were
opposed to a White House-backed plan that allowed Guantanamo prisoners to plead guilty to
terrorism charges in federal court by video conference. Is that something you can confirm and
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, wha t I can tell you is that were often asked to
provide a view or an opinion as to the legal sufficiency of particular things that may be presented
on the hill or otherwise. And so, we always provide the best independant legal advice to the
White House or another agency that may ask us about that and we provide our opinion about the
legal issues presented. And I think that that would be a similar situation there as well. We
provide our opinion as to the legal issues so that when people are creating the policy or
REPORTER: What was the issue there, what was the problem with video?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Without going into specifics what I can say is that again as
many situations were often asked to look at potential issues involving criminal procedure,
criminal policy to make sure that, in fact, were going to do everything in compliance with the
REPORTER: And the standards for new recruits are no longer ab ove the state minimum
they are now at the state level or do you have suggestions for us locally when we are having
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know I think that I would look at the overall training
here for all of the positive things that it is providing. I dont have specific comment on the
number of hours of training, but in terms of the substance of the training that Ive seen, certainly
with the de-escalation training, that is something that we will be recommending to other
departments that they implement and take a look at. As I mentioned before a few minutes ago,
this department does have the Crisis Intervention Team. The set-up and the operation of that
kind of team is something that we do recommend that other departments look at. That often is a
resource issue, we understand that municipalities are strapped, but again it has proven to be very,
very effective. And, I think that this departments focus on making sure that officers are able to
handle the variety of situations that they come into contact with and use a variety of tools to
manage them is one that I think is consistent not just with 21st century policing, but good, smart
policing.
UNIDENTIFIED : Did everyone get a question? Did you get a question in the back?
REPORTER : I did not. I know that were talking about Phoenix police right here, but this
community also is policed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Many of the communities, especially Latinos,
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Theres an open ongoing matter involving the sheriff and
some aspects of his administration so Im actually not able to give you a comment on that now
REPORTER: Would you have to sign off on any charges against the sheriff?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, Im not able to give you that information I
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Nothing beyond statement at presser. Feel free to call my cell.
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Carrie Johnson <0ohnson2@npr.org> wrote:
>
> Are you saying any more about this beyond statements in Phoenix at press conf? An awful
appearance problem.
>
> Carrie Johnson
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to me,e t with former President
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and
myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise
anything - uh - about that.
REPORTER; You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and
the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in
a ll. So that's how that'll be handled.
REPORTER; Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORN EY GEN ERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the a irport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix a irport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was
primary social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf lle played in Phoenix, and he
mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet
Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter
pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no
discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way o:f
example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that
might mean. And again, the department's not involved in that or implicated in tllat.
Carrie Johnson
Hey Kevin--
Writing a short post about the attorney general's meeting with Former President Clinton, which I'm
sure you know is getting pretty wide pickup. I see she addressed it at a presser in Arizona and said
they talked about personal stuff (and not any active cases), but is there any other context I should
know? Any statement from you or any background you can give? I' m at (b) ( 6) if you can call.
Best,
Matt Zapotosky
Oh sure send along. I just figured he' d be better since he was with her (and on west coast time). I did
say in graph 2 she acknowledged publicly and quoted her (there' s all sorts of presser video out there).
>On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Newman, Melanie {OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
> He is with her but he is staffing her, which means he's not always available. You could have called
me before reporting a no comment. I have been sending everyone the full transcript from yesterday
and today's press conferences, where she addressed this. No additional comment needed when you
have her on the record . Happy to forward a long.
>
>>On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Zapotosky, Matt <matt.zapotosky@washpost.com> wrote:
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>>Kevin. Isn't he with her? Do you have a comment? I can update.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newma n@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>
>Attorney general meets with former president Clinton amid politically charged investigation into
his wife's email - The Washington Post<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/201
6/06/29/ attorney-general-meets-with-former-president-clinton-amid-politically-diarged-investigation-
into-his-wifes-email/?utm_term=.293dbc4a2876> from Matt Zapotosky's Tweet<https://twitter.co
m/mattzap/status/748344912182153216?refsrc=email&s=11>
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>On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:24 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
> LA Presser (Today, June 29}:
>
> REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
>
> ATIORNEY GENERAL l YNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and
myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or t hings like that. And he didn't raise
a nything - uh - about that.
>
>R EPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
>
> ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and
the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in
all. So that's how that'll be handled.
>
> Phoenix Presser (Tuesday, June 28):
> REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill dinton. Did the topic of
Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
>
> ATIORNEY GENERAL l YNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane.
Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and about our travels.
He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he' d had West Virginia. We
talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no
discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I
would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again,
the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
>
>
man@jmd.usdoj.gov>> wrote:
>
> He is with her but he is staffing her, which means he's not always available. You could have called
me before reporting a no comment. I have been sending everyone the full transcript from yesterday
and today's press conferences, where she addressed this. No additional comment needed when you
have her on the record. Happy to forward along.
>
>On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Zapotosky, Matt<matt.zapotosky@washpost.com<mailto:matt.zap
otosky@washpost.com>> wrote:
>
> Kevin. Isn't he with her? Oo you have a comment? I can update.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov<mailto:Melani
e.Newman@usdoj.gov>> wrote:
>
> Attorney general meets with former president Clinton amid politically charged investigation into his
wife's email - The Washington Post<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/
29/attomey-general-meets-with-former-president-clinton-amid-politically-charged-investigation-into-
his-wifes-email/?utm_term=.293dbc4a2876> from Matt Zapotosky's Tweet<https://twitter.com/mat
tzap/status/748344912182153216?refsrc=email&s=11>
>
> Download<https://twitter.com/download?ref_src=MailTweet-iOS> the Twitter app
I updated the last graph to take that out, reflect that you willingly provided transcripts and
added a bit about career prosecutors. Thanks for reaching out - next time I' ll get at you
directly. Again, just figured s ince Kevin was with her and operating three hours earlier than
us he'd be better in this case.
All the video out there is edited for lV, which is why I've b:een sending the t ransc ri pt I would have also been
I .. S I I If I e earlier. (b) (6)
(b) ( 6)
It would be much appreciated if you re moved the "spox did not return calls for comment".
>On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Zapotos.ky, Matt <matt.z:apotos ky@washpost.com>wrote:
>
>Oh sure send a long. I just figured he'd be better s ince he was with her (and on ;vest coast time). I did say
in graph 2 she acknowledged publicly and quoted her (there's a ll sorts of presser Video out t her-e).
>
> s.ent from my i Phone
>
>>On Jun 29, 2016, a t 11;23 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman(@usdoi.gov> wrote:
>>
He is with her but he is staffing her, which means he's not a lways available. You could have called me
before reporting a no comment. I have been sending everyone t he fu ll transc ript from yesterday and
today's press conferences, where she addressed this. No additional comment needed when you have her on
the re~ord . Happy to forward a long.
>>
>>>On Jun 29, 2016, a t 11:21 PM, Zapotosky, Matt <rnatt.zapotoskv@washpostcom> wrote:
>>>
>Kevin. lsn't he with her? Do you have a comment? I can update.
>>>
> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>>
Attorney general meets with former president Clinton amid p-0litically cha rged investigation into his
wife's email -The Washington Post<https:/lwww.washingtonpost.com/ news/ post-
n ati on /wp/2016 /06/29 /attorney-general-meets-with-former-president-cl i nton-ami d-p ol iti ca I ly-cha rged-
i nvestigation-into-h i swifes-emai I /?utm term =.293dbc4a 2876> from Matt Zap.otosky's
Tweet<httru://twitter com/matt7.cao/status/748.34491218 21532 16?refsrc::email&s=11>
Subject: Transcripts
FYI:
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate fo r you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and
myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise
anything - uh - about tnat.
REPORTER: You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH : My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and
the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in
all. So that's how that'll be handled.
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did tile
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix a irport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was
primary social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he
mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked about forme r Attorney General Ja net
Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter
pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no
discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of
example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that
might mean. And again, the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
(b) ( 6)
Thanks
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
> Of course they do. Here's the transcript of the two pressers, in case you need fu ll comments. What's
your cell? I can call you to provide additional context.
>
> LA Presser (Today, June 29}:
>
> REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former Pre sident
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife 's email server?
>
> ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and
myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise
anything - uh - about that.
>
> REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
>
> ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and
the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in
all. So that' s how that' ll be handled.
>
> Phoenix Presser (Tuesday, June 28):
> REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of
Benghazi come up at a ll, or can you tell us what was discussed?
>
> ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane.
Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary s-o cial and about our travels.
He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We
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discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I
would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again,
the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Levine, Mike <Mike.levine@abc.com<mailto:Mike.levine@abc.com
wrote:
>
> Hey, .com now wants me to write something up on the meeting. Anytning in particular you think I
should consider when writing? Anything more you want to add beyond what AG said at presser?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>
Thanks!
>On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
>Sorry. Here it is.
>
> LA Presser (Today, June 29):
>
> REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
>
>ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and
myself, a nd talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And ne didn't raise
anything - uh - about that.
>
>REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
>
>ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and
the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in
all. So that' s how that'll be handled.
>
> Phoenix Presser (Tuesday, June 28):
> REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of
Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
>
>ATTO RNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my nusband on tne plane.
Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and about our travers.
He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, a nd he mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We
talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no
discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
was no discussion of Bengnazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I
would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again,
the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email
server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other
night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my
husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And
so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that.
And he didn't raise anything - uh - about that.
REPORTER: You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating his wife.
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic
of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was
primary social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he
mentioned travels he' d had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet
Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for
the department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of
Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the
current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the
department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public A ffairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202.-305- 1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@Melani eOOJ
Any chance one of you could give me a call for another, hopefully quick, conversation on this AG-Clinton
meeting? My editors are still pretty interested in it, and I' m hoping I can put it to rest by answering just a few
more questions about how the meeting came about - who approached who, and how did they realize t hey
were in the same place?
Many thanks,
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieOOJ
Any chance one of you could give me a call for another, hopefully quick, conversation on this AG-Clinton
meeting? My editors are still pretty interested in it, and I' m hoping I can put itto rest by answering just a few
more questions about how the meeting came about - who approached who, and how did they realize they
were in the same place?
Many thanks,
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton.
Did the topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I
did see President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself
and my husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren.
It was primary social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix,
and he mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney
General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of
any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of
example. I would say the cuITent news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that
might mean. And again, the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with
fonner President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his
wife's email server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport
the other night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and
speak to my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and
things like that. And so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into
any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise anything uh about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while
your agency is investigating his wife.
Can you help with the meeting between the AG and frmr Pres Clinton?
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton.
Did the topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I
did see President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself
and my husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren.
It was primary social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix,
and he mentioned travels hed had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney
General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of
any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that
might mean. And again, the departments not involved in that or implicated in that.
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with
former President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport
the other night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and
speak to my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and
things like that. And so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into
any cases or things like that. And he didnt raise anything uh about that.
REPORTER: You dont believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while
Department policies and issues. Its being handled by career investigators and career
agents, who always follow facts and the law, and do the same thorough and independent
examination in this matter that they've done in all. So that's how that'll be handled.
Got it Thanks.
Yes. will call you shortly. Best number? Also. transcripts from Tuesday and Wednesday pressers should be
helpful.
REPORTER : Somces say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of
Benghazi come up at all or can yon tell us what was discussed?
ATI'ORNEY GEI'l'"ER.\L L YNCH: No_ Actually, \vhile I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix. airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my lmsband on
the plane_ Our conversation was a great deal: about bis grandchildren_ It was primary social and about
our travels_ He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he, d had West
Virginia We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know,
but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any
other body_ There was. no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion oft.he state department emails, by
way of example_ I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might
mean_ And again, the department, s not involved in that or implicated in that_
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with farmer
President Clinton while your agency i:s in the middle of an investigation of his ,vife' s email server?
A ITORNEY GENER .\L LYNCH: Well, I did see the Pr esident at the Phoenix Airport the other
night as I was landing. he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband
and mys.elf, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that And so that was. the
extent of that And no discussions \Vere held into any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise
anything - uh - about that_
REPORTER: You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency
is investigating his wife_
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: -
@MelameDOJ
can you help on the meeting between the AG and frmr Pres Clinton?
Thanks, Kevin
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Didthetopicof
Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIO RN EY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President Clinton
at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myselfand my husband on the plane. Our
conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and about our travels. He
mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked
about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no
discussion ofany matterpendingforthe department or any matterpendingforany other body. There
was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, byway of example. I
would say the current news of the day was the Brexitdecision, and what that might mean. And again,
the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
LA Presser(Wednesday,June29):
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is inthe m iddle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I d id seethe President at the PhoenixAirporttheothern ightas I was
landing, he was headed out. Hed id come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and myself, and
talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the extent of that.
And no discussions were held intoanycasesorthings like that. And he didn't raise anything uh
about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any improprietywhileyouragency is
investigating his wife.
ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved ina matter looking at State Department policies and
issues. It's being handled by career i nvesti~tors and career agents, who always fol lowfacts and the
law, and do the same thorough and independent exam ination in this matter that they've done in all. So
that's how that'll be handled.
-----Original Message-----
From (b) (6) [mailt (b) (6)
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:02 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)
Subject: Can I get statement on clinton meeting?
Del Wilber
(b) (6) (cell)
202-824-8223 (w)
Twitter: @delwilber
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Off ice of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
How did it come about? She bumped into him at terminal? Saw he was in Phoenix and invited him to the plane
to chat? Or he saw her and wanted to say bi? This meeting would take some coordination.
Del Wilber
(b) (6)
(cell)
202-824-8223 (w)
Twitter. @ dehvilber
On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <J.Vlelanie.1\ewman(@usdoj.gov> wrote:
REPORTER.: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic
of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing atthe airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the
plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and
about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he'd
had We.s t Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom
we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email
server?
ATIORNEY GENERALLYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night
as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband
and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his t ravels, and things like that. And so t hat
was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he
didn't raise anything-uh - about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is Investigating his wife.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: ( b ) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
---0~
From - mailto (b) ( 6)
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:02 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. {OPA)
Subject: can I get statement on clinton meeting?
Del Wilber
cell)
202-824-8223 (w)
Twitter: @delwilber
call me.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Off ice of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
Del Wilber
(b) (6) cell)
202-824-8223 (w)
Twitter: @ delwilber
On Jun 30, 2016, at 1 ~04 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <iVlelacie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
REPORTER : Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic
of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while 1was landing at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the
plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren . It was primary social and
about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he' d
had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom
we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any
matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email
server?
ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night
as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband
and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that
was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he
didn't raise anything- uh - about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating his wife.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell:(0 ) (6 )
@MelanieDOJ
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto: (b ) ( 6)
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 20161:02 PM
To: Newman, Melanie {OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)
Subject: Can I get statement on clinton meeting?
Del Wilber
(b) (6) (cell)
202-824-8223 (w)
Twitter: @delwilber
I have tried both numbers for you. 1 would like to go out to get some food. call my cell if you don't reach me
at my desk.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
Del Wilber
(b) (6) (cell)
202-824-8223 (w)
Twitter: @ delwilber
On Jun 30, 20 16, at 1:04 PM, Newman, ~elanie (OPA) <:i\ilelanie.Ne\vman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic
of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what w as discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I w as l ea vin~ and he spoke t o myself and my husband on the
plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and
about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he'd
had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom
we both know, but there w as no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email
server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night
as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband
and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that
was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he
didn't raise anything-uh -about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating his wife.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Dire ~
Cell: ~
@MelanleDOJ
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Mark,
I'll call you in a bit. We have not issued a statement on this but I've included below the transcripts
from the AG's two press conferences where this was addressed:
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of
Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President Clinton
at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane. Our
conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and about our travels. He
mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked
about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no
discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I
would say the current news of the day was the Brexit dedsion, and what that might mean. And again,
the department' s not involved in that or implicated in that.
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and
myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he didn' t raise
anything - un - about that.
REPORTER: You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and
the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in
all. So that's how that'll be handled.
Hi Melanie,
I'm a White House correspondent at the NYT, and I've been pressed into service to write
about the questions being raised by the Attorney General' s meeting with Bill Clinton.
Could you let me know what DoJ and the AG have said specifically about this meeting, and
whether she believes it constitutes a conflict of interest, given the ongoing email
investigation?
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Cc: Stewart, Rebecca l. (PAO}; James, Kelli 0. (OPA)
Subject: FW: Details of AG's meeting with ex-POTUS
Hello,
I was wondering ifDOJ has any additional detail to offer on the meeting between AG Lynch and Bill Clinton
earlier this week
- Wbo contacted whom about the meeting? If Clinton made the reach out, how and when was Lynch notified
of the request?
- According to reports, the meeting was held on AG's airplane_Why was this necessary as opposed to holding
it in a less secluded location?
- Lastly, where was the AG's airplane in relation to Clinton's.? Did hers park next to his on the tarmac?
Regards,
Chuck Ross
The Daily Ca!ler
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Melanie R. Newman
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U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305- 1920
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Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
Any chance one of you could give me a call for another, hopefully quick, conversation on this AG-Clinton
meetinJ?;? Mv editors are still pretty interested in it, and I' m hoping I can put it to rest by answering just a few
Many thanks,
On background from a Justke Department official regarding the ongoing investigation of the State Department's
emails:
Determinations as to whether to charge any individual, as well as the findings of the investigation, will be made
by career prosecutors and investigators who have been handling this matter since it's inception.
These determinations and Endings will al.so be reviewed by senior career lawyers in the department, as well as
by the FBI Director_
The Attorney General expects to receive and accept the dete rminations and findings of the
Departmenfs c,areer prosecutors and investigators, as lVeU as the FBI Director.
The Attomey General will discuss this matter .during her live armchair discussion with Washington Posfs
Jonathan Capehart at the Aspen Ideas Festival at 11 a.m. ET/9 a.m. MT.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
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@MelanieDOJ
Can someone confirm these rep-0rts that AG Lynch will announce that she plans to accept the recommendations
of prosecutors and the FBI in the Clinton email case?
Russell
Russell Berman
Senior Associate Editor
The Atlantic
Desk: 646-539-6678
Cell: (b) (6)
rbe.rman({/,theatlantic.com
www.theatlantic.com/russell-berman
Has the story been updated? Can you send me the language?
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Dire ct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieOOJ
-Original Message--
From: Mark landler [mailto:landler@nytimes.com]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Newman, Melanie {OPA)
Subject: Re: NYT Q on Lynch/Clinton meeting
>On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
>What's your number. Can I call you?
>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Mark Landler <landler@nytimes.com> wrote:
>>
>>Also, Mark Halprin just tweeted that the AG reserves the right to
>> overrule a staff recommendation, which he says contradicts our story.
>>Matt is out of pocket. Can you clarify?
>>
>>>On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>+Kevin, who is working on that in Aspen.
>>>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mark landler <landler@nytimes.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>Thanks, Melanie. On the pool camera, where would the feed be available?
>>>>
>>>On Jul 1, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>> I don't think they stream it. We are trying to get a pool camera. We will send out a transcript as
soon as possible.
I'm getting lots of questions about this ... Any guidance you can offer? thanks
http:Uhotair.com/archives/2016/07/01/reporter-fbi-ordered-no-photos-no-pictures-no-cell-phones-
during-clintonlynch-meeting/
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Reporter: FBI o rdered no photos, no
pictures, no cell phones' during
Clinton/Lynch meeting - Hot Air
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Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Dire ct: 202-305-1920
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From: Press
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To: Newman, Melanie {OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. {OPA)
Subject: FW: Comment?
-Original Message--
From: Ryan Liua (mailto (b) ( 6)
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:09 PM
To: Press
Subject: Re: Comment?
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Ryan Lizza (b) (6) wrote:
>
> I have a piece that will be posted this afternoon that includes the following reporting and I wanted to
see if DOJ wanted to offer a comment. Thanks!
>
> Ryan Lizza
>The New Yorker
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>
>
> "A Democrat who was briefed on the meeting [between Lynch and Bill Clinton} told me that it was
over a hundred degrees outside and lynch, who was immediately uncomfortable with the visit, fe lt like
she couldn't shoo the sixty-nine-year-old former president, who has had heart problems in the past,
back onto the tarmac. Lynch, according to this person, also insisted that her security detail remain at
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Thanks.
Melanie R. Newman
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U.S. Department of Justice
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From: Press
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:27 PM
To: Newman, Melanie {OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. {OPA)
Subject: FW: Comment?
-Original Message--
From: Ryan Liua (mailtc (b) ( 6)
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:09 PM
To: Press
Subject: Re: Comment?
>
> "A Democrat who was briefed on the meeting [between Lynch and Bill Clinton} told me that it was
over a hundred degrees outside and lynch, who was immediately uncomfortable with the visit, felt like
she couldn't shoo the sixty-nine-year-old former president, who has had heart problems in the past,
back onto the tarmac. Lynch, according to this person, also insisted that her security detail remain at
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Dear sir/madam:
We have a received information from a source who is alleging that during the meeting with former
President Bill Clinton in Phoenix, the Attorney General was able to provide some questions or several
lines of questions concerning the meeting with the FBI today.
Given the seriousness of these charges, we are obligated to seek a comment from an responsible
Justice spokesman.
Cordially,
Richard
Richard Pollock
Senior Investigative Reporter
The Daily Caller News Foundation
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None.
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Ryan Liua (b) (6) wrote:
>
>So any word on what the 11 am Corney statement is about?
>
>Ryan Lizza
>The New Yorker
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>
>>On Jul 1, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>
>>Just tried you. I' m at my desk. 202-305-1920
>>
>>Melanie R. Newman
>> Director, Office of Public Affairs
>> U.S. Department of Justice
>>Direct: 202-305-1920
>>Cell: (b) (6)
>> @MelanieDOJ
>>
>>
>> -Original Message--
>> From: Press
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:27 PM
>>To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)
>>Subject: FW: Comment?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message---
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>> From: Ryan Lizza fmailto:r
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:09 PM
>>To: Press
>> Subject: Re: Comment?
>>
>>My deadline is 5 pm today. Thanks!
>>
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Ryan Lizza (b) (6) wrote:
>>>
Thanks, Melanie
Matt Dean
Department of Justice & Federal Law Enforcement Producer
Fox News Channel
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202.789.0261 (DOJ)
matthew.dean@foxnews.com
@MattPirewall
Matt,
As I mentioned on the phone, this question was asked in yesterday's media availability in Phoenix. I've
included the transcript of the one exchange on this topic, as well as a link to the one repo-rt that mentions
the exchange.
http:ljcronkitenews.azpbs.org/2016/06/28/ag-loretta-lynch-praises-phoenix-police-training/
REPORTER Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of Benghazi
come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIOR.l'l' EY GENl:RAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see President
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane_ Our
conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and about our travels. He
mentioned the golf he played in P hoenix, and he mentioned travels he' d had in West Virginia. We talked about
former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any
matter p ending before the department or any matter pending before any other body. There was no discussion
of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would s.ay the current news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the department's not involved in that or
implicated in that
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
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I write to you to express my serious concerns over recent events that have cast a shadow on the
commitment of the Obama Administration to fairly and impartially execute the rule of law. The
American people are rightly concerned about the direction of this country when they see senior
government officials being treated differently than lower level officials without powerful,
partisan friends. Even if there was no inappropriate discussion when you recently mel with
former Secretary Hillary Clinton's husband in an exclusive section of the Sky Harbor
International Airport, it is difficult to explain to American voters - who are purportedly equal
under the law - just how they are supposed to exercise that equality should their spouse ever be
accused of a crime.
FBI Director James Corney, commenting on the investigation of Secretary Clinton's use of her
personal e-mail system on July 5, 2016, said that, of the 30,000 emails returned to the State
Department, " l l 0 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency lo
contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains
contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret
information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information ... Separate from those,
about 2,000.additional e-mails were "up-classified" to make them Confidential." These
statements confirm that Secretary Clinton misled the American people and was extremely
reckless in her handling of classified information both sent and received on her private e-mail
server.
If a lower-level government employee with access to classified information had behaved in this
manner, including at the Top Secret level, they would lose their security clearance immediately
and would almost certainly lose their job. If that same employee had previously established their
own personal unsecured email server in their home for the purpose of evading government
oversight, they would rightly be charged with a crime.
While l appreciate and respect the hard work of the FBI, I strongly believe that all Americans
should be held to the same standards and that your Department must restore the trust of average
Americans through a tJ1orough review of the evidence and statutes. Director Corney noted
http://shclby.sen ate.gov/
The public knows that Secretary Clinton established a server in her home, that she conducted the
public's business on that server, and that she mishandled highly classified information. The
public will reach its own conclusions as to why she did so and about how the rules are applied to
those in positions of power and influence. I expect you and the Department to apply the rule of
law fairly in deciding whether to bring charges in this case, as well as to fully explain the
determination.
Many in Alabama and America believe that some powerful public officials act as if rules and
laws do not apply to them. As John Adams said, ours is a "government oflaws, and not of
men." The nation is counting on your application of this principle.
Sincerely,
Richard C. Shelby
Thanks.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
I updated the last graph to take that out, reflect that you willingly provided
transcripts and added a bit about career prosecutors. Thanks for reaching out -
- next time I'll get at you directly. Again, just figured since Kevin was with her
and operating three hours earlier than us he'd be better in this case.
All the vi deo out there i s edited for lV, whi ch is why I've bttn sendi ng t he transcript. I woul d
have a lso been happy to discuss by phone ear lier.
It woul d be much appreci ated if you removed the " spox did not return calls for comment ".
>On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Zapotosky, Matt <matt.z.apot osky@washpost.com> wrote:
>
>Oh sure send al ong. I j ust figured he'd be better si nce he was wit h her (and on west coast
time). I di d say i n graph 2 she acknowledged publicly and quoted her (there's all sorts of
presser video out there).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Newman, Mel anie (OPA) <Mel anie.Newman@usdoi.gov>
+Melanie
From: Press
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 20 16 10:02 AM
To: Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)
CC: Stew art, Rebecca L. (PAO)
Subject: FW: AG's meeting with President Cfinton this week
Hi
I'm writing about some of the backlash to the A G's social meeting with former President Clinton in Phoenix on
Monday_La\vmak:ers from both parties have raised questions about the meeting and whether it was appropriate_
Was the AG's meeting appropriate, given the ongoing investigation connected to Secretary Clinton? Does it
have any effect on the outcome of that investigation?
Thank yon
Julian Hattem
Staff Writer
The Hill
@ jmhattem
Office: 202_628_8568
Cell: (b) ( 6)
+Melanie
From: Press
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:01 AM
To: Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)
CC: Stewart, Rebecca L (PAO)
Subject: FW: Interview request
Good morning-Would AG lynch be available for an interview on our show On The Record with Greta Van
Susteren on the Fox News Channel tonight to respond to the meeting she had with Bill Clinton? We air live
during the 7pm/et hour but we are happy to pretape to accommodate her schedule. Please let me know if
we can set something up. The interview would be one-on-one with Greta.
Thanks,
Samantha
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Thank you
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did
the topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, a nd he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It
was primary social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix,
and he mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney
General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of
any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other body. There
was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of tne state department emails, by way of
example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that
might mean. And again, the department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
AlTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the
other night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and
speak to my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and
things like that. And so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into
any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise anything - uh - about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while
your agency is investigating his wife.
Hi
I' m writing about some of the backlash to the AG's social meeting with former President
Clinton in Phoenix on Monday. l awmakers from both
parties<http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/286077-dem-lynch-should-
have-steered-clear-of-bill-clinton> have raised questions about the meeting and
whether it was appropriate.
Was the AG's meeting appropriate, given the ongoing investigation connected to
Secretary Clinton? Does it have any effect on the outcome of that investigation?
Thank you
Julian Hattem
Staff Writer
The Hill
@jmhattem
Office: 202.628.8568
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Thx
On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd. usdol.gov> wrote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
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@MelanieDOJ
Can you help with the meeting between the AG and frmr Pres Clinton?
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic of
Benghazi come up at&!., or can yon tell us what was discussed?
ATIOill'' EY GE1''"ER.\L LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on
the plane_ Our conversation was a great deal about bis grandchildren. It was primary social and about
our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he, d had West
Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know,
but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any
other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way
of e..xample. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decisio~ and what that might
mean. And again, the department,s not involved in that or implicated in that.
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General so was it appropriate for yon to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle -of an investigation of his wife's email server?
A TIORNEY GEl'l" ERAL LYNCH: Well. I did see the Pr esident at the Phoenix Airport the other
night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say heUo, and speak to my h115band
and myself. and talk about: his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that And no discussions were hdd into any cases or things like that And he didn't raise
anything - uh - about that.
REPORTER: You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while yom agency is
investigating his wife.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 2.02-305-1!120
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@MelanieDOJ
Can you help w ith the meeting betw een the AG and frmr Pres Clinton?
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>>>>>>
>>>> REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic
of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
>>>>>>
>>>>ATTORNEY GENERAL lYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on
the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social and about
our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he'd had West
Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we both know, but
there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter pending for any other
body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of
example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean.
And again, the department' s not involved in that or implicated in that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LA Presser (Wed nesday, June 29):
>>>>>>
>>>>REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
>>>>>>
>>>>ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other
night as I was landing, he was heade d out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband
and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the
extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise
anything - uh - about that.
>>>>>>
>> REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating his wife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department
policies and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow
facts and the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've
done in all. So that' s how that'll be handled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Landler, Mark <landler@nytimes.com<mailto:landler@nytimes.
com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Melanie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a White House correspondent at the NYT, and I've been pressed into service to write about
the questions being raised by the Attorney Ge neral's meeting with Bill Clinton.
>>>>>>
>> Could you let me know what DoJ and the AG have said specifically about this meeting, and
whether she believes it constitutes a conflict of interest, given the ongoing email investigation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) (6)
>>>>>>
>>>>Thanks & Best,
>>>>>> Mark Landler
>
Got it.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Press
sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); New man, Melanie (OPA)
Cc: Stew art, Rebecca L. (PAO)
Subject: FW: Confirm Lynch/ Clinton reports?
Can someone confirm these reports that AG Lynch will announce that she plans to accept the recommendations
of prosecutors and the FBI in the Clinton email case?
http:!/www_wsj_comlarticles/attome"1'-ge:neral-loretta-lynch-to-accept-officiats-detennination-on-clinton-email-
l467372419
http:J/www _nytimes_com/2016107102/uslpolitics!loretta-1ynch-hillary-dinton-email-server_htm1?
hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&cliclcSource=story-heading&module=first-colmnn-region®ion=top-
news&WT_nm=top-news& r=O
Thanks,
Russell
Russell Berman
Senior Associate Editor
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA) <ksle wis@jmd.usdo j.gov> wrote:
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG} <cpokorny@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
+Matt.
I' m free.
I will get a conference call line.
carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N. W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 516-2372
Cell: ((b) (6)
--Mike
Same as last email; suggested edits and clean version below to show the AG:
carolyn Pokorny
Office ofthe Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, o.c. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: {202) 616-2372
roll -
carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdo j.gov
Offic~2
Cell:!-
Adding Peter to this chain for review. Peter-feel free to call me to discuss. 202-305-1920.
Draft statement:
Melanie R. Newman
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Same
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:25 A.Ji\1, Lewis, Kevin S_ (OPA) <kslewislal,jmdusdoi-gov> wrote:
I need to stay at the event right now because press is here. The press avail starts in
about 40 minutes_
+
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG)
<cpokorny(@jmciusdoj.gov> \vrote:
Dial-in:
carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: (b)(6)
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carol yn.pokorny@usdo j.gov
Offic 2
(b) (6)
Cell:
(b) ( 6 J
We need to talk. I'm on cell
--Yfike
(b) (5)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
lJ.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-lno
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Thanks, Melanie. Will show this to the AG now. Can you also prepare a couple TPs for the press avail?
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:44 A.i\11, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mne,vman@,,jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Adding Peter to this chain for review. Peter-feel free to call me to discuss. 202-305- 1920.
Draft statement:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
lJ.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell:m . . . . .
t,:;\r.Jlal<>niaf){) I
Same
Shirlethia
I need to stay at the event right now because press is here. The press
avail starts in about 40 minutes.
Dial-irL
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokornv@usdoj.gov
Office: (202} 616-2372
Cell: ((b) (6)
I
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell:(-
From: "Levine, ~e
(b ) (5)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
lJ.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: -
@MelanieDOJ
Melanie:
(b) (5)
CP
carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
lJ.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.ga11
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: (b) (6)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affair s
lJ.S. Department of Justice
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Offic - I
(b) (6)
Cell:
Adding Peter to this chain for review. Peter-feel free to call me to discuss. 202-305-1920.
Draft statement:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 2.02-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Same
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:25 A..\II, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmciusdoj.gov> \vrote:
Shirtethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:25 A.!!\11, Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA) <kslewis@.jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
I need to stay at the event right now because press is here. The press avail starts in
about 40 minutes.
Dial-in:
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdo j.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: ( (b) (6)
+Matt.
I'm free.
I will get a conference call line.
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: (b) ( 6)
(bl (6)
We need to talk I'm on cell
OK here
Peter J. Kadzik
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Peter J. Kadzik
+Denise.
Others are requesting that edit as well, but I am happy to discuss.
carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: DJmJ
From: New man, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: T uesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM
To: Pokorny, Carolyn ( OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Franklin, Shirlethia ( OAG)
Cc: Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA); Herwig, Paige (OAG)
Subject: RE: Bill Clinton meeting?
(b) (5)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305- 1920
Cell: ~
@MelanieDOJ
carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: (b) (6)
Adding Peter to this chain for review. Peter - feel free to call me to discuss. 202-305-1920.
Draft statement:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Same
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:25 A.i.\11, Franklin, Sbirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoi.gov> wrote:
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:25 Af\II, Le\vis, Kevin S. (CPA) <kslewis@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
+
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG)
<cpokomy({i),jmdusdoj.gov> wrote:
Dial-in:
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdo j.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: lb) 161
+Matt.
I'm free.
I will get a con ference call line.
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202} 616-2372
Cell: (b) 16)
--:Mike
Kevin S. (OPA)
Subject: talking points for AG's media avail
(b) (5)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cel (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cel (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
(OAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
Edited v. 2:
(b) (5)
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cel (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Yes.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Minor point: in the actual statement, can we spell out "former Attorney General Janet Reno" (vs uAG Reno)?
Works for me. Edits reflected below to address your point, as well as additional from folks on the ground.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public.Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305- 1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmciusdoj_gov> wrote:
Edited v. 2:
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA} <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Works for me. Edits reflected below to address your point, as well as additional from folks on
the ground.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
lJ.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieOOJ
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman({4jmcinsdoj_gov> wrote:
Edited v. 2:
Kevin S. (OPA)
Subject: Talking points/statement
(b) (5)
Thanks, all!
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell:
@MelanieDOJ
Will do_ If you wouldn't mind sending in a Word do{:mnent, that would be great_
Thanks,
Shidethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmdusdoj.gov> wrote:
Hold please
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public A ff airs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
Shirlethia
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, O.C. 20530
Email: carol yn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office: (202) 616-2372
Cell: (b) (6)
Works for me. Edits reflected below to address your point, as well as
additional from folks on the ground.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b ) (6)
@Melani eOOJ
Edited v. 2:
Ok thanks !
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmciusdoj.gov> wrote:
Edited to include Peter's comment as well. Also cleaned up Carolyn's edits a little
to make it less clunky. Any further comments? I would like to close this out for the
AG to use NOW. Thanks.
(b) (5)
Works for me. Edits reflected below to address your point, as well as additional
from folks on the ground.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: -
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
y
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM , Newman. Melanie (OPA)
<mnewmaruajmciusdoi-gov> wrnte:
Edited v. 2:
Mel - can you email the AG to let her know the plan? We' re en route to the next location now, but I' m
in the staff van.
Thanks,
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> w rote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6 )
@MelanieDOJ
We didn't get any follow up. (b)(5) Our justice reporter didn't
follow up either.
(b) (5)
The question \Vas just asked at the press avail. Local reporter noted
that "sources say" that the AG met with former President Bill Clinton
last night and asked whether Benghazi was discussed. The AG stuck
to the talkin2 coints. She also received a auestion about whether
Shirlethia
Thanks all!
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: ( b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
Good here
Carolyn Pokorny
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Email: carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Offic 2
Cell: (b) (6)
I
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (61
@MelanieDOJ
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (61
@MelanieDOJ
Edited v. 2:
Thx.
Dena W. Iverson
Press Secretary
U.S. Department of Justice
202-353-8763 (o)
- usdoj.gov
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Iverson, Dena W . (OPA) <diverson@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Kev, anything pop up at the press avails today that I should know about?
Thanks.
Matt has the final statement and I'm sure h as b een briefing the DAG on t hat issue.
Melanie R. N ewman
Director, Off ice of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
ce11:tm1mw
@MelanieDOJ
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Iverson, Dena W . (OPA) <diverson@,jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Kev, anything pop up at the press avails today that I should know about ?
Thanks.
Press Secretary
U.S. Department of Justice
202-353-8763 (o)
dena.w.iverson@usdoj.gov
AG Lynch -
on the statement for now. Given that there wasn't any follow-up in the press avail,.
e will keep you posted as things develop. Thank you.
Melanie R. Newman
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieOOJ
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
I know. I only wanted to flag the relevant part but didn't feel a need to highlight it.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
That's not the full presser. I ended early so that I could get you the meeting clip.
On Jm 28, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman({il jmciusdoj.gov> \vrote:
See below.
Hello,
I've attached a copy of the transcript for the Q&A portion of the AG' s press conference to this
email, and have included the text below. Please let me know if there is anything that needs to
be fixed !
Best,
Olivia
ATTORl\'"E\' GE1\""ERJ.\L LYKCH: So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career la\vyers and agents. They are handling that matter in
the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts and
evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not discuss
any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not impact
any of the case that we' re working on.
ATTORl\"EY GE1'"ERl\.L LYNCH 1 can't give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations \vbich will be reviewed. So rm not able to give you timing on that, but I will tell
you that people are working expeditiously.
REPORTER What are you doing \vith your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAliDffiLE) police departments as a way of saying, "Look at what these people are doing,
implement the same strategies." Is that the purpose?
ATTORN~Y GE1''ER!\.L LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband
on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren_ It was primary social
and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he, d
had West Virginia We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we
both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter
pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state
department emails, by way of example. I w ould say the current news of the day was the Bre.xit
decision, and what that might mean. And again. the departmenf s not involved in that or
implicated in that
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of.color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix PD is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATTORNEY GEI'l~RAL LYNCH Yon know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work \vith their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community policing.
That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find to be a
very important component to building a trusting relationship. The Phoenix Police Department has
also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for example really truces. a
situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can resolve a situation
before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer communities, safer
people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So what rn say to
communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that there have been
situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (INAuTIIBLE) relationship between
law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and commitment on both
sides and we're happy to work -..vith community leaders and community members to also give
them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them -..vith other communities who had very
positive progress in this regard.
REPORTER Do you have any update on the Justice Department's investigation of the Maricopa
Cotmty Recorder' s Office in the :March Presidential Primary election?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No, I don't I know that that's an area of concern here
locally but I don' t have any information for you about that.
REPORTER Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting our
tmvn as well_ What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the things
that you saw today?
AITORNEY GENERl\L LYNCH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not jnst the de- escalation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I saw.
This is the second time that I've had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which focuses
on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why they
became police officers - and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and safe and
healthy but also make them as r esponsive to the community as possible. And in the cities. where
we've seen this training in place, we've in fact seen positive community relationships as a result of
Peter J (OLA); Herwig, Paige (OAG); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG); Lewis, Kevin S.
(OPA)
Subject: RE: Transcript of AG Lynch's Q&A from Press Conference Today
Please note that this is a partial transcript, but includes the question on the meeting.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cel (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
See below.
Hello,
Ive attached a copy of the transcript for the Q&A portion of the AGs press conference to this email, and
have included the text below. Please let me know if there is anything that needs to be fixed!
Best,
Olivia
Clinton. To what extent does his support for Hillary Clinton affect, in any way, your role as
Attorney General of the ongoing FBI investigation of candidate Clinton (inaudible) her emails.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter
in the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts
and evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not
discuss any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: I cant give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will be reviewed. So Im not able to give you timing on that, but I will
REPORTER : What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(IN AUDIBLE) police departments as a way of saying, Look at what these people are doing,
Policing Tour. Were going to be highlighting the best practices that weve seen in the various
departments. In fact, well be having - were hoping to have that done by the time - the first
week in August, when we are highlighting our Community Policing Awards, an award that we
are inaugurating this year to a rank-and-file police officer who excels at community policing.
They can be nominated by the department or by the community, and we are still renewing those
as well. So that will - what will be available to departments, but specifically in response to your
question, we do often get outreach from police departments who come primarily to our COPS
office, and they will request technical training or assistance, they will ask us to review different
policies - for example, when a police department may say, Can you take a look at my us e of
force policy? - and see if we need to do anything with that, to provide assistance. We provide
that assistance as part of the work of the Department, not necessarily as part of an investigation,
although it does come up in those manners as well. We also post through the COPS office - we
post information online, and we urge police departments who have questions or concerns about
training and situations they might be facing, to look on our website and find departments that are
in fact working in these areas. Because our goal is, for example, to be able to match up a police
department who may say, you know, Wed really like to work on our de -escalation training, is
there a department out there we can consult with? We would refer them to Phoenix, for
example. And that does happen, and we will be looking to the Phoenix Police Department for
that. We also, through our investigative work, published all of our consent decrees on Civil
those as well, and to look at the situations that have led many jurisdictions into problematic
situations and see if they feel themselves trending in a particular way, to reach out for assistance
before an incident occurs or before t he relationship becomes so frayed that theyre not able to
recover from an incident. So were trying to reach out and be proactive in a number of different
ways, and we will be using the Phoenix Police Department as an example and hoping to match
REPORTER : Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary
social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned
travels hed had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for
example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the
department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no
discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the departments not
REPORTER : So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix PD is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH : You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work with their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community
policing. That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find
Department has also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for
example really takes a situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can
resolve a situation before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer
communities, safer people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So
what Ill say to communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that
there have been situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (IN AUDIBLE)
relationship between law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and
commitment on both sides and were happy to work with community leaders and community
members to also give them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other
REPORTER : Do you have any update on the Justice Departments investigation of the
locally but I dont have any information for you about that.
REPORTER : Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting
our town as well. W hat about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH : You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I saw.
This is the second time that Ive had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which
focuses on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why
they became police officers and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and
safe and healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the
cities where weve seen this training in place, weve in fact seen positive community
relationships as a result of that. I also think that the fact that the Phoenix Police Department is
taking ownership of these issues and saying Were going to come up with the best training
possible. In fact, I also think that the Phoenix Police Departments dealing with mentally
challenged individuals who may encounter in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis
See below.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:02 AM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
PHOENIX - U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch Tuesday praised Phoenix police training to
reduce use of force, saying it is a model for departments across the country.
Lynch's visit, part of a national tour on community policing, was marked by a chance
encounter at the airport with former President Bill Clinton and came the same day as a
terrorist attack at the Istanbul, Turkey airport.
She took what police called a "sensitive" phone call at the stop at the Phoenix Police
Academy but did not say what it involved.
Lynch said she ran into former President Bill Clinton at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport on
Monday night. She said investigations of Clinton' s wife, Hillary Clinton, regarding the
Benghazi attacks and her use of a private email server did not come up.
Grandchildren, Phoenix golf and the Brexit decision for Britain to leave the European Union
were the topics of conversation, she said.
She said President Barack Obama's endorsement of Hillary Clinton as the presumptive
Democratic nominee for president would not affect the Justice Department's investigation
of her use of a private email server while she was Secretary of State.
Lynch said the Justice Department is still investigating the Maricopa County polling
debacle during the March presidential preference election. She did not say when the
investigation would be done.
Instead, Lynch spoke glowingly of the Phoenix Police Department's mental health
programs and so-called "de-escalation" training, referring to using negotiations and other
tools to calm confrontations and reduce the chance of violence.
"Let me thank all of you in the Phoenix Police Department for being an example," Lynch
said to veteran officers, Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton and others.
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Date : June 28, 2016 at 9:38:43 PM EDT
To: "Melanie Newman (OPA)" <mnewman@ jmd.usdoj.gov>
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On Jun 29, 20 16, at 7:33 A:.\11, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmclusdoj.gov> wrote:
Others - did anyone run the full press conference? can we check TV Eyes?
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1.9 20
Hello,
I've attached a copy of the transcript for the Q&A portion of the AG's press conference to this
email, and have included the text below. Please let me know if there is anything that needs to
be fixed!
Best,
Olivia
ATIORNEY GE1'"ERAL LYNCH So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter in
the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts and
evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not discuss
any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the Pr esident does not impact
any of the case that we' re working on.
ATIOR1'"EY GEl\"ERAL LThCH I can't give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will be re\~ewed So I'm not able to give you timing on that, but I will tell
you that people are working expeditiously.
REPORTER: What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAL"DIBLE) police departments as a way of saying, "Look at what these people are doing,
implement the same strategies_"' Is that the purpose?
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIORI'l"EY GE1\1ERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband
on the plane_ Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren_It was primary social
and about om travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he' d
had \Vest Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we
both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter
pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi,, no discussion of the state
department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of the day was the Brexit
decision, and what that might mean. And again, the departmenf s not involved in that or
implicated in that.
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of.color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix PD is
doing its job today versus hmv it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATIOR.1\'EY GE~""ERAL LYNCH You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work \vith thcir police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community policing_
That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find to be a
very important component to building a trusting relationship_ The Phoenix Police Department has
also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de- escalation for example really takes a
situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can resolve a situation
before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer communities, safer
people coming into interaction \vith the police, and safer police officers. So what I'll say to
communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that there have been
situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (INAUDIBLE) relationship between
law enforcement and the community, and it can be done_It takes work and commitment on both
sides and we're happy to work \vith community leaders and community members to also give
them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other conummities who had very
positive progress in this regard_
REPORTER Do you have any update on the Justice Departmenf s investigation of the Maricopa
Countv Recorder's Office in the March Presidential Primarv election?
REPORTER Attorney GeneraL thank you so much for your visit. we appreciate you visiting our
town as well. What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the things
that you saw today?
ATTOR.1'"'EY GEJ\"'ER..U. LYJ\CH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-esc:alation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I saw.
This is the second time that I've had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which focuses
on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why they
became police officers - and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and safe and
healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the cities where
we've seen this training in place, we've in fact seen positive community relationships as a result of
that. I also think that the fact that the Phoeni.x Police Department is taking ownership of these
issues and saying 'We' re going to come up with the best training possible.' In fact, I also think that
the Phoenix Police Department's dealing with mentally challenged individuals who may encotmter
in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis Intervention teams is a tremendous example of -
(RECORDING ENDS)
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check.
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Others -did anyone run the full press conference? Can we check TV Eyes?
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) ( 6)
Hello,
I've attached a copy of the t ranscript for the Q&A portion of the A G' s press conference to this
email, and have included the text below. Please let me know if there is anything that needs to
be fixed!
Best,
Olivia
AITORNEY GE1\"'ERJ\L LYNCH: So the investigation into bow the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter in
the way that they handle every investigation: independently and fairly. They follow the facts and
evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not discuss
any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not impact
any of the case that we' re working on.
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want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will berevieweci So I'm not able to give you timing on that, but I will tell
you that people are working expeditiously.
REPORTER: What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
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come up in those manners as well. \Ve also post through the COPS office - we post information
online, and we urge police departments who have questions or concerns about training and
situations they might be facing, to look on our website and find departments that are in fact
working in these areas. Because our goal is, for example, to be able to match up a police
department who may say, you know, 'We' d really like to work on our de-escalation training, is
there a department out there we c.an consult withT' We would refer them to Pho~ for
example. And that does happen, and we will be looking to the Phoenix Police Department for
that We also, through our investigative work, published all of our consent decrees on Civil Rights
Division s website. And we urge law enforcement officers. and departments to look at those as
well, and to look at the situations that have led many jurisdictions into problematic situations and
see if they feel themselves trending in a particnla:r way, to reach out for assistance before an
incident occurs or before the relationship becomes so frayed that they' re not able to recover from
an incident So we' re trying to reach out and be proactive in a m:nnber of different ways, and we
will be using the Phoenix Police Department as an example and hoping to match them in other
departments also.
REPORTER Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIOR.1'' EY GEl'l""ERAL LYNCH: No. Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as 1 was lea~g, and he spoke to myself and my husband
on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary social
and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels hed
had West Virginia We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, whom we
both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the department or any matter
pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the state
department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of the day was. the Brexit
decision, and what that might mean. And again, the department's not involved in that or
implicated in that.
REPORTER So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix PD is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
AITOR.1''EY GE:N""ERt.\.L LYNCH: You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work \Vith their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community policing.
That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find to be a
very important component to building a IIllsting relationship. The Phoenix Police Department has
also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de- escalation for example really takes a
situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can resolve a situation
before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer communities, safer
people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So what I'll say to
communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that there have been
REPORTER: Do you have any update on the Justice Department' s investigation of the ~aricopa
County Recorder s Office in the March Presidential Primary election?
AITO.Rl"-'"EY GE:l\'"ERAL LYXCH: No, I don' t I know that that' s an area of concern here
locally but I don' t have any information for you about that.
REPORTER: Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting our
town as well. What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the things
that you saw today?
ATIORNEY GE:l\'"ERl\.L LYNCH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I saw.
This is the second time that I've had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which focuses
on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why they
became police officers - and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and safe and
healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the cities where
we've seen this training in place, we've in fact seen positive community relationships as a result of
that. I also think that the fact that the Phoenix Police Department is taking ownership of these
issues and saying ' We' re going to come up with the best training possible. In fact. I also think that
the Phoenix Police Department's dealing with mentally challenged individuals who may encounter
in a law enforcement setting \'.cith the Crisis Intervention teams is a tremendous example of -
(RECORDING El\TOS)
Hello,
Ive attached a document containing the transcript to this email, and Ive included the text below. Please
Best,
Olivia
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So let me first thank the mayor of this great city, Mayor
Stanton as well as the police chief of this outstanding department, Chief Joe Yahner. They have
welcomed me to the city; they have opened the doors of this department to me, and weve seen
some truly outstanding police work going on here. I want to thank them for their service and for
their dedication to the people of Phoenix. I am here in Phoenix today as a part of a six city
community policing tour. It began earlier this year in 2016 and I have already had the pleasure of
visiting Miami and around Florida, Portland, Oregon, Indianapolis, Indiana, and Fayetteville,
North Carolina. Tomorrow, Ill be concluding the tour in Los Angeles, California. And in each
stop along the way in each of these cities Im highlighting one of six pillars of community
policing, identifying the final report of the Presidents task force on 21st century policing.
Youll recall this came out a little over a year ago. But the report contains a number of common
approach to law enforcement and to public safety. And on this stop, what has brought me to
Phoenix today, were focusing on training and education, vital components of any successful law
enforcement agency and an area where the Phoenix police department does indeed excel. From
a specially trained mental health crisis intervention squad. The Phoenix police department is
ensuring that their office have the tools that they need to respond to the unique challenges of
contemporary law enforcement. And just those two issues alone are some of the most pressing
challenges facing 21st century policing today. Now, earlier today, I had a chance to actually
witness a de-escalation training session in the Arizona Law Enforcement Academy. I was
tremendously impressed by the comprehensive instruction that the officers received here, and
that we will be highlighting going forward as an example to other departments across the
country. As you know, this is a topic of great concern. We look at certain issues and cases, and
people within the community often have questions about how officers are trained, about when
and how they employ de-escalation, and I saw, frankly, thoughtful, substantive, effective
approach to a number of different scenarios. And let me commend the training officers as well
as the officers who go through this training here. We in the Department of Justice are
determined to do our part, however, to work with our state and local partners to improve their
educational capacity, particularly in this regard of training. We offer a wide range of grants, we
offer training sessions, we offer technical assistance through our office of Community Oriented
Policing Services of COPS, our Office of Justice Programs, our Bureau of Justice Assistance, our
Civil Rights Division and our U.S. Attorneys Offices among other components. Now we intend
to continue looking for ways to provide assistance and support officers and the communities that
we all serve and protect. Now as the Attorney General, I am committed in highlighting this
work, such as the Blue Courage training and the de-escalation training that I saw today, as ways
to keep both officers and the community safe, healthy and whole. Now of course, in addition to
the work that were doing with our state and local partners who are so important to us, we in the
department are also committed to ensuring that our own personnel are well-trained in the core
principles and best practices of community policing. And to that end, I am proud to say that the
Department of Justice is now requiring all of its law enforcement components and Assistant U.S.
Attorneys to undergo implicit bias training, something that has been rolled out at the local level
for the past several years. This is an important step in our ongoing efforts to ensure that our
Departments commitment to holding itself to the same high standard. And let me, at this time,
thank the Deputy Attorney General, Sally Yates, and her team, for their leadership on this issue,
and we look forward to implementing this training in the weeks ahead at the federal level as well.
So again, thank you for joining me. Im delighted to be here in Phoenix, and Im happy to take
some questions.
Clinton. To what extent does his support for Hillary Clinton affect, in any way, your role as
Attorney General of the ongoing FBI investigation of candidate Clinton (INAUDIBLE) her
emails.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So the investigation into how the State Department emails
are being handled is being handled by career lawyers and agents. They are handling that matter
and evidence and when they are done they will come up with a recommendation. We do not
discuss any case with anyone at the White House, so the endorsement by the President does not
impact any of the case that were working on.
REPORTER: Will that be completed before the election?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: I cant give you a timing report on that because, again, I
want to let them finish their work. I want to let them complete their review and come up with
recommendations which will be reviewed. So I m not able to give you timing on that, but I will
tell you that people are working expeditiously.
REPORTER: What are you doing with your findings here? Are you presenting them to
(INAUDIBLE) police departments as a way of saying, Look at what these people are doing,
Policing Tour. Were going to be highlighting the best practices that weve seen in the various
departments. In fact, well be having - were hoping to have that done by the time - the first
week in August, when we are highlighting our Community Policing Awards, an award that we
are inaugurating this year to a rank-and-file police officer who excels at community policing.
They can be nominated by the department or by the community, and we are still renewing those
as well. So that will - what will be available to departments, but specifically in response to your
question, we do often get outreach from police departments who come primarily to our COPS
office, and they will request technical training or assistance, they will ask us to review different
policies - for example, when a police department may say, Can you take a look at my use of
force policy? - and see if we need to do anything with that, to provide assistance. We provide
that assistance as part of the work of the Department, not necessarily as part of an investigation,
although it does come up in those manners as well. We also post through the COPS office - we
post information online, and we urge police departments who have questions or concerns about
training and situations they might be facing, to look on our website and find departments that are
in fact working in these areas. Because our goal is, for example, to be able to match up a police
department who may say, you know, Wed really like to work on our de-escalation training, is
there a department out there we can consult with? We would refer them to Phoenix, for
example. And that does happen, and we will be looking to the Phoenix Police Department for
that. We also, through our investigative work, published all of our consent decrees on Civil
Rights Divisions website. And we urge law enforcement officers and departments to look at
those as well, and to look at the situations that have led many jurisdictions into problematic
situations and see if they feel themselves trending in a particular way, to reach out for assistance
before an incident occurs or before the relationship becomes so frayed that theyre not able to
recover from an incident. So were trying to reach out and be proactive in a number of different
ways, and we will be using the Phoenix Police Department as an example and hoping to match
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the
topic of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primary
social and about our travels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned
travels hed had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet Reno, for
example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for the
department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of Benghazi, no
discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the current news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the departments not
REPORTER: So what can you tell communities here, communities of color, and others that are
concerned about policing, what can you tell them that is different in the way that Phoenix P.D. is
doing its job today versus how it did it a year ago or five years ago?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know I think what we can say to communities here in
Phoenix and other communities that are also looking for ways to work with their police
departments is that the phoenix police department has been very involved in community
policing. That is to say they have reached out to the community and sought input, which we find
Department has also emphasized the training that I mentioned earlier. The de-escalation for
example really takes a situation and talks officers through a way to find the myriad ways you can
resolve a situation before resulting in the ultimate use of force. That results obviously in safer
communities, safer people coming into interaction with the police, and safer police officers. So
what Ill say to communities is you look at the examples of the cities that we have visited that
there have been situations where cities have in fact come back from a very (INAUDIBLE)
relationship between law enforcement and the community, and it can be done. It takes work and
commitment on both sides and were happy to work with community leaders and community
members to also give them the examples of things that we have seen and pair them with other
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No, I dont. I know that thats an area of concern here
locally but I dont have any information for you about that.
REPORTER: Attorney General, thank you so much for your visit, we appreciate you visiting
our town as well. What about the encouragement- do you feel very encouraged by some of the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, what I though was tremendously encouraging
was not just the de-escalation training that I saw but also the Blue Courage training that I saw.
This is the second time that Ive had the ability to watch the Blue Courage training, which
focuses on making sure officers stay connected to the core of why they joined the force and why
they became police officers and is designed not only to keep them connected to the job and
safe and healthy but also make them as responsive to the community as possible. And in the
relationships as a result of that. I also think that the fact that the Phoenix Police Department is
taking ownership of these issues and saying Were going to come up with the best training
possible. In fact, I also think that the Phoenix Police Departments dealing with mentally
challenged individuals who may encounter in a law enforcement setting with the Crisis
Intervention teams is a tremendous example of dealing with this issue. The issue of how we deal
with suspects who present with mental illness or other forms of trauma is a tremendous challenge
to law enforcement, because often the call comes from a friend or family member who cannot
manage that person. Law enforcement intervenes, and we do not want that to be a tragic result.
The Phoenix Police Department has taken the proactive step of creating that particular crisis
intervention team, which again, when weve seen that in jurisdictions across the country, has
resulted in a much more positive relationship with the community overall. Also, with people
who are involved in the mental health community, greater referrals to mental health providers,
greater assistance to individuals who are traumatized, as opposed to pure law enforcement
intervention.
So, its really an example of the fact that policing, today, is about so much more about just
responding to a call of a bad guy breaking into a house. They really have to be problem solvers.
Police officers, today, really have to know their community. They have to know the problems
and situations and concerns that their specific communities present and focus on how they can
proactively interact with them. And thats what I find very encouraging about this department.
REPORTER: Very recently, perhaps in the last hour, there was a bombing at the Istanbul
Airport. Have you been briefed on that yet? And, if so, are there any details that you can share
with us?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, Im awaiting a briefing on that matter right now, so
Im not able to share details with you. But, certainly well be looking into it to see what, if
REPORTER: Can I ask you one more question, last week Reuters reported that you were
opposed to a White House-backed plan that allowed Guantanamo prisoners to plead guilty to
terrorism charges in federal court by video conference. Is that something you can confirm and
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, what I can tell you is that were often asked to
provide a view or an opinion as to the legal sufficiency of particular things that may be presented
on the hill or otherwise. And so, we always provide the best independant legal advice to the
White House or another agency that may ask us about that and we provide our opinion about the
legal issues presented. And I think that that would be a similar situation there as well. We
provide our opinion as to the legal issues so that when people are creating the policy or
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Without going into specifics what I can say is that again as
many situations were often asked to look at potential issues involving criminal procedure,
criminal policy to make sure that, in fact, were going to do everything in compliance with the
REPORTER: And the standards for new recruits are no longer above the state minimum
they are now at the state level or do you have suggestions for us locally when we are having
problems (INAUDIBLE)
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know I think that I would look at the overall training
here for all of the positive things that it is providing. I dont have specific comment on the
number of hours of training, but in terms of the substance of the training that Ive seen, certainly
with the de-escalation training, that is something that we will be recommending to other
departments that they implement and take a look at. As I mentioned before a few minutes ago,
this department does have the Crisis Intervention Team. The set-up and the operation of that
kind of team is something that we do recommend that other departments look at. That often is a
resource issue, we understand that municipalities are strapped, but again it has proven to be very,
very effective. And, I think that this departments focus on making sure that officers are able to
handle the variety of situations that they come into contact with and use a variety of tools to
manage them is one that I think is consistent not just with 21st century policing, but good, smart
policing.
UNIDENTIFIED: Did everyone get a question? Did you get a question in the back?
REPORTER: I did not. I know that were talking about Phoenix police right here, but this
community also is policed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Many of the communities, especially Latinos,
feel like theyre (INAUDIBLE) criminal charges stemming from a long-running racial profiling
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Theres an open ongoing matter involving the sheriff and
some aspects of his administration so Im actually not able to give you a comment on that now
REPORTER: Would you have to sign off on any charges against the sheriff?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, Im not able to give you that information I
think its premature right now, and again because it is open I cant comment on where it is or
Copy/thanks Melanie.
Richard P. Quinn
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Media/Investigative Publicity
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from: "Newman, Melanie {OPA)" <Melanie.Newman@usdoj.gov>
Date: 06/29/2016 4:39 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Quinn, Richard P. 00 FBI)" .(b)(6). (b)C)(C) per FBI , "Kortan, Michael P. (DO) {FBI)"
I want to flag a story that is gaining some traction tonight. Daily caller, The Hill and FOX News have picked up
a local Phoenix news report about a casual, unscheduled meeting between former president Bill Clinton and
the AG. It happened on Monday night. Our talkers on this are below, along with the transcript from the AG' s
Phoenix presser, where she was asked about this. Happy to discuss further by phone. Please let me know if
you get any questions about this. Thanks.
TRANSCRIPT
REPORTER: Sources say that yon met last night with former president Bill Clinton.. Did the topic of Benghazi
come up at all. or can you tell us what was discussed?
ATIORl'i""EY GE1'"ERAL LYN CH: No_ Actually, while I was landing at the airport, I did see Pr esident
Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane. Our
conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren.. It was primary social and about our travels_ He
mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he mentioned travels he d had in West Virginia_ We talked about
former Attorney General Janet Reno, for example, \vhom we both know, but there was no discussion of any
matter pending before the department or any matter pending before any other body_ There \Vas no discussion
of Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the ClllTent news of
the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean_ And again, the departmenf s not involved in that or
implicated in that.
Thx
On Jun 29, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Newman, Melanie {OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
News in Clinton meeting is breaking. CBS News is also picking it up, in addition to FOX.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Iverson, Dena W. {OPA) <diverson@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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Dena W. Iverson
Press Secretary
U.S. Department of Justice
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Dena W. Iverson
Press Secretary
U.S. Department of Justice
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On Jun 29, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Iverson. Dena W. (OPA) <d.iverson<aUmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
I'm in \vrap up now but I have something to flag for you if you have a minute to hop on the phone
arowid 6.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Ne,vman, Melme (OPA) <mne\vman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
News in Clinton meeting is breaking. CBS News is also picldng it up, in addition to
FOX.
Thanks
Dena W. Iverson
Press Secretary
U.S. Department of Justice
202-353-8763 (o)
(b) (6) c)
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I'm about to be in my career but I should be seated around 7:30 if anything else comes up!
>On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Stewart, Rebecca l. (PAO) <rlstewart@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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> I'll have the full transcript of this audio file shortly.
>
> -Original Message--
> From: James, Kelli D. (OPA)
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>To: Stewart, Rebecca L (PAO)
>Cc: Newman, Melanie {OPA); Lewis, Kevin S. {OPA); Juarez, Anthony {OPA)
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>Clinton Q:
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> REPORTER: Madam attorney general was it appropriate for you to meet with former president clinton
while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
>
>AG LYNCH: Well i did see the president at the Phoenix a irport the other night as I was landing, he
was heading out. He did come over and say hello and speak to my husband and myself and talk about
his grandchildren and his travels and things like that. And that was the extent of that. No discussions
was held on any cases or anything like that - he didn't raise anything.
>
> REPORTER:You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigatjng?
>
>AG LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter of looking at the state department policies and issues.
It is being handled by career investigators and career agents. Who always follow facts and the law and
do the same thorough and independent investigation in this matter as they've done in the past. So
that's how that' ll be handled.
>
>
On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO} <rlstewart@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>
>>Copy that! Transcribing now. Also, just sent one more short clip from FOX. Will switch back to clips
after the transcript.
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>> -Original Message-
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Office of Public Affairs
Department of Justice
(202) 616-0503
Can you hear what she's saying around 2 min mark? I highlighted the blank space in t he attached doc.
came down just a few days ago, because that decision was four-four the decision does nt even
place the Fifth Circuit injunction against uh the immigration policies that the president set
forth a little over a year and a half ago. Right now were still looking at that decision to see
legally what the options are um so I dont have any update for you on that right now.
REPORTER : Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wifes email
server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the
other night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to
my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that.
And so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like
REPORTER : You dont believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
Department policies and issues. Its being handled by career investigators and career agents,
who always follow facts and the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in
this matter that they've done in all. So that's how that'll be handled.
REPORTER : Its ok. I know that youve gotten letters from the state of Louisiana and
members of C ongress relating to New Orleans as a sanctuary city. Is it accurate that the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No, those letters refer to questions in asking us to clarify
how the consent decree that we have with the New Orleans Police Department and how they
handle people who may be undocumented, how they intercept with also the enforcement of the
immigration laws. And not only are we preparing a response um Ive indicated at a prior
hearing I think a month or so ago - that we do not view that consent decree as advising the city
in any way to disregard or ignore the immigration laws. And as weve indicated before when it
comes to the issue of sanctuary cities the issue has come up, particularly with respect to when
we release individuals from the Bureau of P risons custody, and they may have a state detainer
or holder which happens from time to time and they also have a deportation order.
Traditionally, we work with our state colleagues and we provide and turn these people over to
state custody so that those cases can be handled, and then the immigration matters will follow
thereafter.
There have been instances and they certainly have been tragic where those individuals have
not been dealt with in regard to their state cases, and we have not been able to follow through
with the immigration case. We recently changed the policy so that where we do have individuals
them, we will review those instances first, consult with the state and ensure that if they are going
to go ahead and prosecute the case, we can track and follow it and make sure we stay on top of it
for that. But theres nothing in the consent decree that mandates or directs the city to avoid or
KEVIN LEWIS : Thank you so much. So well see you later today at Summer Night Lights.
Have a good day.
ATTORNEY GEl\1ER.AL LORETTA LYNCH: [ ... ]Referring to the immigration decision that came down
just a few days ago, because that decision was four-four - the decision doesn' t even place the Fifth Ci:rcuit
injunction against -uh- the immigration po.licies that the president set forth a little over a year and a half ago.
Right now we, re still looking at that decision to see legally \Vhat the options are - 1.llD - so I don' t have any
update for you on that right now.
REPORTER Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife' s email server?
ATTORJ\'EY GEl\'ERAL LYNCH: Well, l did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and myself, and
talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And so that was the extent of that. And no
discussions were held into any cases or things like that. And he didn't raise anything -uh- about that
REPORTER Yon don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigating his wife.
ATTORJ\"EY GE1''ERAL LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It's being handled by career investigators and career agents, who always follow facts and the law,
and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in an_ So that's how
that'll be handled.
REPORTER: Ifs ok. I know that you've gotten letters from the state of Louisiana and members of
Congress relating to New Orleans as a sanctuary city. Is it accurate that the Department of Justice instructed
New Orleans not to cooperate on immigration policies?
ATTORJ\'EY GENERAL LYNCH: No, those letters refer to questions in asking us to clarify hO\v the
consent decree that we have \vith the New Orleans Police Department and how they handle people who may
be undocumentecl how they intercept with also the enforcement of the immigration laws. And not only are we
preparing a response - um - I've indicated at a prior hearing - I tblnk a month or so ago - that we do not view
that consent decree as advising the city in any way to disregard or ignore the immigration laws. And as we've
indicated before when it comes to the issue of sanctuary cities - the issue has c.ome up, particularly with respect
to when we release individuals from the Bureau of Prisons' custody, and they may have a state detainer or
holder - which happens from time to time - and they also have a deportation order. Traditionally, we work
There have been instances - and they certainly have been tragic - where those individuals have not been dealt
with in regard to their state cases, and we have not been able to follow through with the immigration case. We
recently changed the policy so that where we do have inclividuals that we are releasing from the Bureau of
Prisons custody, that have an immigration detainer on them, we will rev1ew those instances first, consult with the
state and ensure that if they are going to go ahead and prosecute the case, we can track and follow it and make
sure we stay on top of it for that. But there's nothing in the consent decree that mandates or directs the city to
avoid or disregard immigration laws.
KEVIN LEWIS: Thank you so much. So we'll see you later today at Smnmer Night Lights. Have a good
day.
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On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO) <rlstewart@jmd .usdoj.gov> wrote:
Yes, they keep popping so I' m just pulling the last few now. Should have it to you soon.
A:re you pulling together a full clips package? That would be helpful.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:56 P::V1, Stewart, Rebecca L (PAO) <rlstewart@jmciusdoi-goY> \\Tote:
There are more TV clips up- looks like all or most are FOX/Clinton -working on
transcripts now.
BRET B AIER: A meeting in Phoenix between former President Bill Clinton and
Attorney General Loretta Lynch is raising questions about a potential conflict of
interest She c.onfinned she spoke with Clinton at the airport in Phoenix but said it
was not a planned meeting_ She insisted they spoke about grandchildren and golf,
and current news events but did not discuss the Benghazi or the e-mail
investigations. As you know, if the FBI finds evidence that Hillary Clinton or one of
her top aides mishandled dassified information or lied under oath, and then the FBI
referred an indictment, by all accounts, it will be lynch who will have to decide
whether to move forw ard with a prosecution.
KIMBERLY GL"ILFOYLE: Well you probably heard about this today, but if you
didn' t you should pay attention. The Justice Department is still investigating Hillary
Clinton for possible criminal wrongdoing regarding her private e-mail server. so why
would the woman in charge of that investigation meet privately with Clinton s
husband? well, it happened on Monday. Here's Attorney General Loretta Loretta
Lynch.
Kll\IBERLY GL"ILFOYLE: Kow, FOX is told the meeting was not previously
scheduled and was descnbed as a "crossing of paths." Tomorrow and Friday at
2:00 p .m. eastern, r m filling in for Gretchen Carlson.
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On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Stewart. Rebecca L.(PAO) <rlstewart@jm ciusdoj.gov> wrote:
There are more TV clips up - looks like all or most are FOX/Clinton - working on transcript s now.
BRET BAIER A meeting in Phoenix between former President Bill Clinton and Attorney
General Loretta Lynch is raising questions about a potential conflict of interest. She confinned she
spoke with Clinton at the airport in Phoenix but said it was not a planned meeting. She insisted
they spoke about grandchildren and g-01( and current news events but did not discuss the Benghazi
or the e -mail investigations. As you know, if the FBI finds evidence that Hillary Clinton or one of
her top aides mishandled classified information or lied under oath, and then the FBI referred an
indictment, by all accounts, it will be l'}nch who will have to decide whether to move forward with
a prosecution_
Kll\'1BERLY GUILFOYLE: Well you probably heard about this today, but if you didn' t you
should pay attention. The Justice Department is still investigating Hillary Clinton for possible
criminal wrongdoing regarding her private e-mail server. so why would the woman in charge of
that investigation meet privately with Clinton's husband? well, it happened on :\llonday. Here's
Attorney General Loretta Loretta Lynch.
AITO~'"EY GEl\""ER.i\L LORETIA LYKCH: I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix
airport As I was leaving and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane. Our conversation
was a great deal about his grandchildren.. It was primarily social and about our travels. there was
no discussion of any matter pending before the department.
KDffi:ERL\' Gu-.cLFOYLE: Now, FOX is told the meeting was not prC\iousfy scheduled and
was d escnbed as a "crossing of paths. Tomorrow and Friday at 2:00 p.m.. eastern. I'm filling in
for Gretchen Carlson.
## #
AG Lynch -
Please see below all of the TV clips from tonight. As you can see, they are still rolling in so we will
send an updated version in the morning.
Also, 'The Kelly File' just previewed a segment on it and used a clip from today's presser:
MEGYN KELLY: ... Plus, attorney general of the United States is supposed to be leading a
criminal investigation of.Hillary Clinton_ So \vhy did she have a dosed-door meeting today with
Mrs. Clinton's husband? We, "The Kelly File," caught up with Attorney General Loretta Lynch
and got to ask her. And she was not happy. Stay tuned for that_
[FOX QL~STION FRO:M: THE PRESS CONFERENCE]: You don't believe that gives off
the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is investigating his wife?
[Commercial]
Thanks,
David F. Jacobs
Deputy Press Secretary
Office of Pubfic Affairs
Department of Justice
TV Clips: AG Lynch Visits Los Angeles as Part of Community Policing Tour
As ofJun.e 29, 2016, at 9:25 p.m. ET
BILL O'REILLY: In the personal story segment tonight, a very interesting situation_ I just have
the notes here. Okay. So apparently the Phoenix airport, there was a meeting for 30 minutes.
That's a fairly long meeting between President Clinton, all right, and Attorney General Loretta
1 ynch. Now, this took place earlier this week ancl as you know, the attorney general is
investigating Hillary Clinton. Here's what the AG said.
ATTORNEY GE:NERAL LORETTA LYNCB: I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix
airport as I was leaving and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane_ Our conversation
was a great deal about his grandchildren. it was primarily social and about our travels.
O'REILLY: Wow_ So, Eboni Williams and .Monica Crowley join us. I was surprised. Weren't
you surprised? 30 minutes. I could see hey, how are you, you have got to be polite. They know
each other. 30 minutes abotit the grandchildren?
MO~"ICA CROWLEY: Here's what's interesting we are just hearing abotit it today on
Wednesday. Apparently this meeting took place on Monday. So 48 hours has gone by since we
have heard about it. The Attorney General said it was social, that they talked about their
grandchildren and president Clinton' s golf game in Phoenix_
CRO\VLEY: Sort of like Mrs. Clinton' s deleted emails were all about her yoga schedule and
Chelsea' s wedding.
O'REILLY: No_ You are creeping into that partisan realm here, what do you say?
CROWLEY: I know we can't speculate because we weren't on the plane_ This is highly
irrelevant.
EBON"I WILLL!\.~IS: Loretta Lynch is the chieflaw enforcement officer of our country. What's
very important is the importance of impropriety. Credibility is very important. To Monica's point
it's hard for intelligent people that the president waited on the tarmac for her to arrive to discuss
this. even if it's true what does it tells us. He doesn't care at all about her crecbbility but she should
CRO\VLEY: You have to avoid the conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict of interest.
CRO\VLEY: You know it's the former Secretary of State, who is the presumptive democratic
nominee for president
O'REILLY: Here' s what makes me feel bad. I don't want to call Loretta Lynch a liar. I don't I
actually admired the woman when she was here in New York City as a U.S. Attorney because
she did some very, very good work that went against the political grain. Ahight? And I was happy
when she was nominated. So- but, in this case, I mean, she made a mistake. Right. A big mistake.
Wil.LIAl\lS: It's up to her, Bill She has to protect her crechbility at all cost
O'REILLY: But it's shot now, isn't it, Eboni? Isn' t it shot now?
CRO\VLEY: It raises a red flag. Getting on the plane and spending 30 minutes with Bill Clinton-
O'REILLY: A lot of Americans feel that this investigation is in the tank anyway. Ahight?
WILLIA.~fS : That's why she has to be delicate. But it can be rehabilitated, Bill. If you' re right
and if it's tanked now, it's a way to rehabilitate one's credibility_And I think she has to work on
that moving forward.
O'REILLY: And we will continue on this story. Thank you, ladies. :viiller on Deck. A bizarre
story.
LOU DOBBS: I want to get your reaction to Attorney General Loretta Lynch and President Bill
Clinton meeting in Phoenix, Arizona. Actually, boarding one of the private all-craft of the two and
talking - a private meeting. How inappropriate that appears to be and what the implications are.
DOBBS: And what in the world is, you know. this country to do waiting now ahnost a year, on
the FBI to complete an investigation that it began in earnest with 100- reportedly 100 and some
odd agents involved What are we supposed to do with the preswnptive nominee of Democratic
Party under federal investigation and most- most saying on the face of it all that she has violated
regulations that were put in place. Therefore she is, by law, she is breaking laws.
ROLLil'S : The FBI director and the Justice Department - the people who are going to question
her - apparently are ready. They've asked for the sessions. She obviously claims she' s busy, but
you know. this is a very important thing to the country. And the quicker we get it done the better
we will be and she will be if she does not get indicted.
DOBBS: She is very fortunate in so many ways that I am not director of the FBI. Telling me that
you are busy probably wouldn' t be the answer that I would be most sympathetic with. I don' t
know about James Comey but-
ROLLINS: \Veil, they certainly are prepared to question her. And they certainly know what the
facts and figures of this whole issue are. So, we' ll see.
LOU DOBBS: Attorney General Loretta Lynch, tonight. under fire after she met with President
AG LORETIA LYN CH: I did see President Clinton at the P hoenix Airport as I was leaving.
And he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane, but there was no discussion of any matter
pending before the department or any matter pending before any other body. There was no
discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of the State Department e-mails b y way of example..
DOBBS: You wonder if as a prosecutor she would have balked at what she just said. If d be an
interesting answer.
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JOSH ELLIOTT: Attorney General Loretta Lynch confirms she had an impromptu discussion
with Former President Bill Clinton Monday night at the Phoenix Airport_The former president
boarded her government plane. Lynch's Justice Department is investigating the handling of
classified information on Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server_ Lynch says the two did not discuss
the investigation.
FOX News: On the R ecord with Greta Van Susteren- 6/29/2016- TRA."N:SCRIPT
P art I: http://mms.tveves.com/transcript.asp?StationID=l30&DateTime=6/29/2016%
207:00:24%20P:i\>I&p.laydip=tme
Part II:
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GRETA VAJI{ SUSTEREN: What's this? A private meeting on a private plane_ Talking about
former P resident Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch meeting on the ground private
plane in phoeni.'ll airport The meeting was yesterday. Just hours before the release of the
Benghazi reported and the local P hoenix ABC station got a tip that the meeting was going to
happen. After the meeting at a news conference, attorney general lynch confumed the meeting
with the president had taken place.
ATTORNEY GE1'"'ERAL LORETTA LYNCH: When I was landing at the airport I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport. As I was leaving and he s.poke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a United States deal about his grandchildren there
was no discussion about any matter pending before the department or any matter pending before
any no discussion of Benghazi or State Department emails by way of example.
VAN SUSTEREN: Radio host and editor and chief of Lifezette Laura Ingraham goes "on the
record."
LAUR A. INGR;\H.4.1\f.: That's no big deal, Greta. You guys are conspiracy you think
sometbirur bannened theorists At this meetimr? Who knows. mavhe thev were iust dis.cns.s.imz
V .i\N SUSTEREN : It's wibelievable how tone deaf either one of them are on this_investigating
the emails and server and everything else and criminal investigation according to Josh Earnest at
the "vhite house and you have got the president of the united states married to a candidate who is
being investigated and they meet privately on airplane even if it's 100 percent innocent How
could you be so tone deaf?
ING~l : Well it goes back to all the problems in the Clinton scandals during his time in
the White House_ Everyone always said how can he be this stupid and we learn more on this
secret service agent's book of how shlpid he was and how just blatant he was about not just
appearance of impropriety but actual impropriety_ People wallcing in on him when he was \vith
other people_ I don't know why any of us are surprised_ There is a brazen effort to undermine
sorry U_S_ law and at the very least the appearance of impropriety and ethical considerations
which you and I know as lawyers people take very seriously_
VAN SUSTEREN: We have got the head of the investigation and the spouse of the person who
something investigated_ she is being investigated I don't know did she is the target_ ~eeting on a
private plane for 30 minutes_
INGR4.HA1\{: The appearance of a conflict can be just as damaging and poisonous to a case at
times as a conflict itself_ An actual conflict That's why you avoid situations like this_ The last
thing they need is any further undermining of the objectivity of this investigation which of course
called a security rev-iew witil she was corrected by the FBI director_ I don't know what they are
talking about security reviews_this is an actual investigation_ the appearance of a conflict of.interest
oflynch now, I think there is no doubt about it_
VAN SUSTEREN : What do you think Obama is thinking tonight, finding out that his chief
lawyer did this and what do you think Secretary Hillary Clinton is thinking about the fact that her
husband met with her and this is_
INGR.\JIA~1: Depends on if she asked him to talk to her_ I mean. who knows_
INGR.\H..~1: How would you be stupid enough to find out no one was going to find out about
a private email server at a time where when your family foundation was soliciting donations from
foreign governments_ That is like the definition of stupid_ yet, she did that
VAN SUSTEREN: It's amazing to me_ It's though they are giving their politic.al opponents
ammunition every single day.
INGRAHAl\1: Every single day we find out about emails held back or other witnesses taking the
fifth_ Again, it just adds to the public's lack of belief and good faith in this investigation_ And
today was just another instance ofit being chipped away again and again it's not surprising given
the Clintons and their brazen behmfor_
JOSH E~"EST: The president when discussing this issue in each stage has reiterated his
I:\""GR.\B..\l\1: Think of the power of the former President of the united States in a private
meeting with anybody. And he is a big deal figure . And who knows what was said, Greta
~aybe nothing. :\rfaybe it was all about baby clothes.
V~ SUSTEREI\: It doesn't even matter what was said. That's the thing. It could be totally
innocent It really doesn't matter because it's so profoundly -
INGR,\11.4. .M : It shows you how discomected they are from public perception or any concern
of public perception or integrity in the investigation.
INGR.\B.Al\'I: Yes, she should. after that appearance down in Orlando, I'm not surprised by
that either.
~GR.\11..\l\1: Thanks.
VA]'; SUSTERE::\: Should Loretta Lynch recuse herself take herself off the case in the email
investigation.. Ted Williams and former prosecutor Katie Phang. Ted, first to you. As the chief
lawyer on this case and criminal investigation., should she take herself off it?
TED WILLL.i\..~lS: Let me say my friend, Laura Ingraham is too nice in regards to what she has
had to say. I think the Attorney General has compromised the integrity of any independent
decision that she could make in this investigation.. Greta, I don't care how private or
grandmotherly it was. It's the appearance. Hillary Clinton is under investigation by the FBI.
Loretta Lynch is in the position where she is going to have to at some stage make a decision one
way or another concerning the prosecution of Hillary Clinton. And to meet with the president's --
with the potential candidate's husband under this circumstance she needs to recuse herself and I
guarantee you the drums are going to beat lookout for her to do so.
V A1' SUSTERE~: You know. what I don't understand is that this one to me isn't even close.
It's not one of those gray areas.
VAl'" SuSTERE1': Because there is nothing -- that whole -- the thing that is so branded in all of
us, the appearance of impropriety to ha\e the person going to make the decision whether or not
this goes to a grand jury, goes a step farther or not, have that person meet with the spouse of the
person who is under investigation in a plane.
VAl'i SUSTEREN: Even if they do talk about grandchildren. this one isn't even close. What in
the world was that woman thinking? I mean. \V'bat is that attorney general saying? I blame her.
WILLIA1\IS: \:Vhen I got the call this afternoon from Cory Howen, one of your producers, the
first thing l said this is stuck on stupid. you are the Attorney General for the United States. You
know better. if William Jefferson Clinton.
VAN SUSTEREN: What if she doesn't know better. That's even scarier.
WILLIA1\IS: This is not a dumb woman. She a smart woman. She knew she shouldn't have
met with him. She tries to walk it back we met and talked about family matters. If the
appearance - it's the appearance. And this is w1iat is going to hurt this whole thing. She needs to
recuse herself.
'A.~ St;STERE1': Actually the thing is we are giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was an
innocent discussion. We haven't even got tonight fact that some people -- a lot are suspicious that
this wasn't just an appearance ofimpropriety issue that there is something going down on this. But
we are giving them the benefit of the doubt and absolutely all scandalized by. This I'm stuck on
the fact that Ted just said that she was in bed with Bill Clinton. Putting a side, even giving it the
benefit of the doubt, maybe Loretta Lynch - actually I take back the maybe. She has got to
remove herself from this case and let somebody else decide. Why allow any question into the
objectivity of the ultimate investigation's results. Yon should never do that especially at this high
leveL It's a bad idea.
VAN SUSTEREN: It's not a close question to me. she should get off this case is it a close
question for you, Katie?
WILLIA.'J'\iS: Clearly not a close question for me. She has to get off the case because, trust me,
you are going to heart drums beat and see Donald Trump with something on this right away. I
mean.
VA.." SuSTERE1': I'm surprised we ha\ren't heard it already the emails. I don't know one
lawyer I can think of, I don't care democrat or republican, who would not be scandalized by this.
WILLl..;\..'J'\IS: I talked to a federal judge afternoon. and he was beside himsel( He said no. As
a matter of fact, I talked to two federal judges and they both were beside themselves and said no,
the Attorney General did not do this.
VAN SUSTEREN: See, I think that's what the viewers have to understand. Even if nothing
FOX 1'ews: On the R ecord with Greta Van Sus tereo - 6/29/2016 - TR..l\NSCRIPT
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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: The burning political question - will the Benghazi report hurt
Secretary Hillary Clinton. the "on the record" political panel is here from the New York Post,
Daniel Halpern, and from the Washington Times Stephen Dinan. This private conversation on the
tarmac between the Attorney General Loretta Lynch and President Bill Clinton-let's asswne they
just talked about being grandparents. Is that appalling to the legal - - the legal world we are upset.
We are outraged.
STEPHE:'.'i DI:'.'iA..~: We talked about this in the past imagine the FBI recommends prosecution
and the Justice Department says no we are not going to pursue that after a conversation like this
comes to light. that's where things get really tough for everybody. It looks bad It looks bad no
matter whether legal profession or not
DAI\"IEL HALPER.!~: Ifs at once appalling. At the same time it goes into Donald Trump's
talking points which is that the system is corrupt. He says it on an areas. Including the legal and
justice system and I think anybody would look at this and suggest something as you guys said
earlier, at the very least it looks bad and I think it fits right into his narrative and really hurts Hillary
Clinton.
VAN SUSTEREN: I can't get over either one of them, either the attorney general or the
president doing -- even if it's just sort of.
HALPERN: You can understand why the president would want to do it the attorney general
should know better.
\'Al~ SUSTERE1': Let's face it, Clinton is a friendly type guy. He talks to everybody. that's bill
Clinton should be smart enough not to do that, knowing that it feeds into bis political opponents.
#~ zl.
KIMBERLY GL"'ILFOYLE: Wen you probably heard about this today, but if you didn't you
should pay attention. The Justice Department is still investigating Hillary Clinton for possible
criminal wrongdoing regarding her private email server. so why would the woman in charge of
that investigation meet privately with Clinton' s husband? well, it happened on )Jlonday. Here's
ATTORl\'"EY GE IERU LORETTA LYKCH: I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix
airport As I was leaving and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane. Our conversation
was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primarily social and about our travels. there was
no discussion of any matter pending before the department
KBIBERLY GLUFO\'LE: Now, FOX is told the meeting was not previously scheduled and
was descnbcd as a "crossing of paths." Tomorrow and Friday at 2:00 p .m. eastern, rm filling in
for Gretchen Carlson.
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BRET BAIER A meeting in Phoenix between former President Bill Clinton and Attorney
General Loretta Lynch is raising questions about a potential conflict of interest. She confirmed she
spoke with Clinton at the airport in Phoenix but said it was not a planned meeting. She insisted
they spoke about grandchildren and golf, and current news events but did not discuss the Benghazi
or the e-mail investigations. As you know, if the FBI finds evidence that Hillary Clinton or one of
her top aides mishandled classified information or lied under oath. and then the FBI referred an
indictment. by all accounts, it will be lynch who will have to decide whether to move forward \vith
a prosecution.
l\f.ARC COTA-ROBLES: We just heard from attorney general loretta lynch, here to highlight
law enforcement efforts to use social media to thei:r advantage. meeting with officers and chief
charlie beck. ok us behind the scenes and gave us an idea of how law enforcement is using
technology and social media. whether we're dealing with criminals in our own community or the
intel that can be gathered from sites. like facebook and twitter can be critical to law enforcement
investigations.
.ATTORl"'"EY GE1''"ERl\L LORETTA LYXCH: The challenge for law enforcement today and
21st century policing, how to ensure we're using the best, most innovative tools available to
protect the people, ensure the well-being of onr community.
COTA-ROBLES: There are no credible threats in the li.S., but that the U.S. stands with Turkey
and "we're all in this together." ::vfayor Eric Garcetti was also here this afternoon.. They all left
about 30 minutes ago. A busy afternoon with more discussions on the way. He and the
department discussing how the LAPD is using social media and their investigation and reacting to
what occurred yesterday in Turkey. ::vfore of that coming up at 5:00 p .m. on "Eyewitness News."
For now, live in downtown Los Angeles, ::vfarc Cota-Robles, ABC7, "Eyewitness News_"
## #
ANCHOR: Can police officers and tech be used to fight crime? The Attorney General came
here to promote something already at the LAPD_ But even as her community policing tour
attracted attention it also attracted controversy. And NBC 4's John Klemack has more.
JOHN KLEl\fACK: Y ~ chuck, it's here where the ag wanted to learn a little bit more about
what LAPD was doing. And there are innovative ways of what they say is called community
policing_as you see it's a success, others see it is the >vrong type of oversight She is the top
attorney in the country and today complimenting the police department, the office she inherited
once cracked down on_
ATTORl'l"EY GE1'1ERAL LORETTA LYNCH: And this kind of row active and inclusive
approach particularly arising out of a history of tensions is one we're encouraging around the
country.
KLE:MACK U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch says we are facing this challenge that will
generate safer communities but also be connected to the police department
KLEl\iIACK And they learned how the department is using social media to combat crime and
keep the community safe_ But outside the center, others are protesting saying there are continued
complaints of racism.
PROTESTER Continue to lead the nation in murders of people of color. so to reward them is
to reward the most murderous organization so it's a shame_
ATTORNEY GE~""ERAL LYNCH Look, they raise issues of concern to all of us. And I think
if we're going to look at all the problems and issues that law enforcement faces they are a very
important voice and they have very important things to say.
KLEl\iLi\.CK The Police Chi.e f Charlie Beck said he wanted to see firsthand what the
department was doing.
POLICE CHIEF CHARLIE BE CK This is a police department that learned many hard
lessons_ And some of the things we learned about building comrmmity trust, some of the things we
learned about keeping a difficult city safer can help other cities. then we have achieved our
lll1SS10ll_
KLE1\i1 ACK The Attorney General staying here overnight. Tomorrow she will go to Playa Vista
to meet with others about how they're connecting with the communities here_ From Los Angeles,
rm John Klemack. NBC 4 N ews.
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My fault on missing this. I did a search. I don't have anything else in my inbox about this inquiry.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:24 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
FYI.
He is with her but he is staffing her, which means he's not always available.
You could have ca lled me before reporting a no comment. I have been
sending everyone the full transcript from yesterday and today's press
conferences, where she addressed this. No additional comment needed when
you have her on the record. Happy to forward along.
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investigation-into-his-wifes-email/?
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TALKING POINTS:
REPORTER: Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his w ife's email
server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other
night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to my
husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And
so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that.
And he didn't raise anything - uh - about that.
REPORTER: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating his wife.
REPORTER: Sources say that you met last night with former president Bill Clinton. Did the topic
of Benghazi come up at all, or can you tell us what was discussed?
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President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as I was leaving, and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was
primary social and about our t ravels. He mentioned the golf he played in Phoenix, and he
mentioned travels he'd had West Virginia. We talked about former Attorney General Janet
Reno, for example, whom we both know, but there was no discussion of any matter pending for
the department or any matter pending for any other body. There was no discussion of
Benghazi, no discussion of the state department emails, by way of example. I would say the
current news of the day was the Brexit decision, and what that might mean. And again, the
department's not involved in that or implicated in that.
Just making sure that the folks monitoring the press account copy you going forward. Thanks for getting back to
him_
On Joo 30, 20 16, at 10:08 A._\11, Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA) <kslewis@fmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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From: Press
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:02 AM
To: Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)
Cc~ Stew art, Rebecca L. (PAO)
Subject: FW: AG's meeting with President Clinton this week
Hi
I'm writing about some of the backlash to the AG's social meeting with former President Clinton in
Phoenix on Monday. Lawmakers :fr.om both parties have raised questions about the meeting and
whether it was appropriate.
Was the AG's meeting appropriate, given the ongoing investigation connected to Secretary
Clinton? Does it have any effect on the outcome of that investigation?
Thank you
-O n Jun 30, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA) <kslewi s@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:01 AM
To: Lewis, Kevin S. ( OPA)
Cc: Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO)
Subject: Fl/I/: Interview request
Good mo m ing -Would AG Lynch be available for an interview on our show On The
Record with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel tonight to respond to the
Thanks,
Samantha
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Good morning - Would AG lynch be available for an interview on our show On The Record with Greta Van
Susteren on the Fox News Channel tonight to respond to the meeting she had with Bill Clinton? We air live
during the 7pm/et hour but we are happy to pre tape to accommodate her schedule. Please let me know if
we can set something up. The interview would be one-on-one with Greta.
Thanks,
Samantha
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A little pre-mature, some more are coming in and when Tiffany searched all rather th an news in
You can send what you have now and we can do an update later today, IF needed.
Matthew (OPA)
Subject: RE: TV Clips: AG Lynch Trip to LA (as of 9: 25pm)
Thats best.
Thank you!
Kelli D. (OPA)
Subject: RE: TV Clips: AG Lynch Trip to LA (as of 9: 25pm)
I think thats probably best to separate the clips the way you said Kelli, do you agree? And yes on both
We did the Bill Clinton clips separately from the LA Community Policing ones; hope thats okay. There
are a bunch, so were still working on them. Will do TV clips as well do you want them for both
And here are all of the TV clips that we pulled as with the print clips you can just pull clips that have
aired since these ones. Let me know if you have any questions or issues. Thanks so much!
Also, The Kelly File just previewed a segment on it and used a clip from todays presser:
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MEGYN KELLY: Plus, attorney general of the United States is supposed to be leading a
criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton. S o why did she have a closed-door meeting today with
Mrs. Clinton's husband? We, "The Kelly File," caught up with Attorney General Loretta Lynch
and got to ask her. And she was not happy. Stay tuned for that.
[FOX QUESTION FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE]: You don't believe that gives off
the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is investigating his wife?
[Commercial]
Thanks,
David F. Jacobs
Deputy Press Secretary
Office of Public Affairs
Department ofJustice
(202) 616-0503
Department of Justice
TV Clips: AG Lynch Visits Los Angeles as Part of Community Policing Tour
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have the notes here. Okay. So apparently the Phoenix airport, there was a meeting for 30
minutes. That's a fairly long meeting between President Clinton, all right, and Attorney General
Loretta Lynch. Now, this took place earlier this week and, as you know, the attorney general is
ATTORNEY GENERAL LORETTA LYNCH: I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix
airport as I was leaving and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane. Our conversation
was a great deal about his grandchildren. it was primarily social and about our travels.
OREILLY: Wow. So, Eboni Williams and Monica Crowley join us. I was surprised. Weren't
you surprised? 30 minutes. I could see hey, how are you, you have got to be polite. They know
M ONICA CROWLEY : Here's what's interesting we are just hearing about it today on
Wednesday. Apparently this meeting took place on Monday. So 48 hours has gone by since we
have heard about it. The Attorney General said it was social, that they talked about their
CROWLEY: Sort of like Mrs. Clintons deleted emails were all about her yoga schedule and
Chelseas wedding.
OREILLY: No. You are creeping into that partisan realm here, what do you say?
CROWLEY: I know we can't speculate because we weren't on the plane. This is highly
irrelevant.
EBONI WILLIAMS: Loretta Lynch is the chief law enforcement officer of our country.
W hat's very important is the importance of impropriety. Credibility is very important. To
Monicas point it's hard for intelligent people that the president waited on the tarmac for her to
arrive to discuss this. even if it's true what does it tells us. He doesn't care at all abo ut her
OREILLY: I think that you absolutely hit it. That the appearance, when you are under- when
you are supervising an investigation, for 30 minutes, and then you don't really say anything right
CROWLEY: You have to avoid the conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict of interest.
OREILLY: Heres what makes me feel bad. I don't want to call Loretta Lynch a liar. I dont. I
actually admired the woman when she was here in New York City as a U. S. Attorney because
she did some very, very good work that went against the political grain. Alright? And I was
happy when she was nominated. So- but, in this case, I mean, she made a mistake. Right. A big
mistake.
WILLIAMS: It's up to her, Bill. She has to protect her credibility at all cost.
OREILLY: But it's shot now, isn't it, Eboni? Isnt it shot now?
CROWLEY: It raises a red flag. Getting on the plane and spending 30 minutes with Bill
Clinton-
OREILLY: A lot of Americans feel that this investigation is in the tank anyway. Alright?
WILLIAMS: Thats why she has to be delicate. But it can be rehabilitated, Bill. If youre right
and if it's tanked now, it's a way to rehabilitate one's credibility. And I think she has to work on
OREILLY: And we will continue on this story. Thank you, ladies. Miller on Deck. A bizarre
story.
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BILL OREILLY: And tomorrow, we re going to look into this Loretta Lynch thing- Bill
Clinton thing. This bothers me, you know. Very serious investigation going on with Hillary
Clinton and the attorney general overseas it. And you're meeting with Mrs. Clinton's husband for
30 minutes in an airport hangar and you don't say anything about it for two days? Not good. So
we are on it. We're on it. We'll have all of the details. No speculation tomorrow. Thank you for
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LOU DOBBS: I want to get your reaction to Attorney General Loretta Lynch and President Bill
Clinton meeting in Phoenix, Arizona. Actually, boarding one of the private aircraft of the two
and talking - a private meeting. How inappropriate that appears to be and what the implications
are.
Particularly because the Benghazi report just came through and particularly where she is going to
basically have an FBI report coming to her very soon and its basically going to have a big
impact on his wife. And to basically say all we did was sit down to have a cup of coffee and talk
DOBBS: And what in the world is, you know, this country to do waiting now almost a year, on
the FBI to complete an investigation that it began in earnest with 100- reportedly 100 and some
odd agents involved. W hat are we supposed to do with the presumptive nominee of Democratic
Party under federal investigation and most- most saying on the face of it all that she has violated
regulations that were put in place. Therefore she is, by law, she is breaking laws.
ROLLINS: The FBI director and the Justice Department the people who are going to question
her - apparently are ready. Theyve asked for the sessions. She obviously claims shes busy, but
you know, this is a very important thing to the country. And the quicker we get it done the better
DOBBS: She is very fortunate in so many ways that I am not director of the FBI. Telling me that
you are busy probably wouldnt be the answer that I would be most sympathetic with. I dont
ROLLINS: Well, they certainly are prepared to question her. And they certainly know what the
facts and figures of this whole issue are. So, well see.
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Bill Clinton in Phoenix earlier this week. This comes as Hillary Clinton is under investigation by
the Department of Justice over her email scandal, yet the attorney general of United States claims
AG LORETTA LYNCH: I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix Airport as I was leaving.
And he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane, but there was no discussion of any matter
pending before the department or any matter pending before any other body. There was no
DOBBS: You wonder if as a prosecutor she would have balked at what she just said. Itd be an
interesting answer.
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JOSH ELLIOTT: Attorney General Loretta Lynch confirms she had an impromptu discussion
with Former President Bill Clinton M onday night at the Phoenix Airport. The former president
boarded her government plane. Lynch's Justice Department is investigating the handling of
classified information on Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server. Lynch says the two did not
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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN : What's this? A private meeting on a private plane. Talking about
former President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch meeting on the ground private
plane in phoenix airport. The meeting was yesterday. Just hours before the release of the
Benghazi reported and the local Phoenix ABC station got a tip that the meeting was going to
happen. After the meeting at a news conference, attorney general lynch confirmed the meeting
ATTORNEY GENERAL LORETTA LYNCH: When I was landing at the airport I did see
President Clinton at the Phoenix airport. As I was leaving and he spoke to myself and my
husband on the plane. Our conversation was a United States deal about his grandchildren there
VAN SUSTEREN : Radio host and editor and chief of Lifezette Laura Ingraham goes "on the
record."
LAURA INGRAHAM : That's no big deal, Greta. You guys are conspiracy you think
something happened theorists. At this meeting? Who knows. maybe they were just discussing
gifts for grandchildren and burden of burping techniques. always go to the grandchildren.
Hillary during the Benghazi things you want to know about my yoga routines in the emails.
W hat do you mean about the emails yoga routines and plans for my daughter's wedding.
VAN SUSTEREN : It s unbelievable how tone deaf either one of them are on this. investigating
the emails and server and everything else and criminal investigation according to Josh Earnest at
the white house and you have got the president of the united states married to a candidate who is
being investigated and they meet privately on airplane even if it's 100 percent innocent. How
INGRAHAM : Well it goes back to all the problems in the Clinton scandals during his time in
the White House. Everyone always said how can he be this stupid and we learn more on this
secret service agent's book of how stupid he was and how just blatant he was about not just
appearance of impropriety but actual impropriety. People walking in on him when he was with
other people. I don't know why any of us are surprised. There is a brazen effort to undermine
sorry U.S. law and at the very least the appearance of impropriety and ethical considerations
VAN SUSTEREN: We have got the head of the investigation and the spouse of the person who
something investigated. she is being investigated I don't know did she is the target. Meeting on a
INGRAHAM : The appearance of a conflict can be just as damaging and poisonous to a case at
times as a conflict itself. An actual conflict. That's why you avoid situations like this. The last
thing they need is any further undermining of the objectivity of this investigation which of
course called a security review until she was corrected by the FBI director. I don't know what
they are talking about security reviews. this is an actual investigation. the appearance of a
VAN SUSTEREN : What do you think Obama is thinking tonight, finding out that his chief
lawyer did this and what do you think Secretary Hillary Clinton is thinking about the fact that her
INGRAHAM : Depends on if she asked him to talk to her. I mean, who knows.
a private email server at a time where when your family foundation was soliciting donations
from foreign governments. That is like the definition of stupid. yet, she did that.
VAN SUSTEREN : It's amazing to me. It's though they are giving their political opponents
INGRAHAM : Every single day we find out about emails held back or other witnesses taking
the fifth. Again, it just adds to the public's lack of belief and good faith in this investigation.
And today was just another instance of it being chipped away again and again it's not surprising
JOSH EARNEST: The president when discussing this issue in each stage has reiterated his
commitment to this principle that any criminal investigation should be conducted independent of
any sort of political interference and that people should be treated the same way before the law
regardless of their political influence. Regardless of their political party, regardless of their
political stature and regardless of what political figure has endorsed them.
INGRAHAM : Think of the power of the former President of the United States in a private
meeting with anybody. And he is a big deal figure. And who knows what was said, Greta.
Maybe nothing. Maybe it was all about baby clothes.
VAN SUSTEREN : It doesn't even matter what was said. That's the thing. It could be totally
INGRAHAM : It shows you how disconnected they are from public perception or any concern
INGRAHAM : Yes, she should. after that appearance down in Orlando, Im not surprised by
that either.
INGRAHAM : Thanks.
VAN SUSTEREN : Should Loretta Lynch recuse herself take herself off the case in the email
investigation. Ted Williams and former prosecutor Katie Phang. Ted, first to you. As the chief
lawyer on this case and criminal investigation, should she take herself off it?
TED WILLIAMS: Let me say my friend, Laura Ingraham is too nice in regards to what she has
had to say. I think the Attorney General has compromised the integrity of any independent
decision that she could make in this investigation. Greta, I don't care how private or
grandmotherly it was. It's the appearance. Hillary Clinton is under investigation by the FBI.
Loretta Lynch is in the position where she is going to have to at some stage make a decision one
guarantee you the drums are going to beat lookout for her to do so.
KATIE PHANG : You have to avoid the appearance of impropriety as an attorney and
especially as the Attorney General of the United States. How much more important would it be
for her to avoid this? She is ultimately the decision maker as to whether or not Hillary Clinton is
going to be prosecuted for what happens with the Benghazi scandal. Hillary has said she is just
like -- do you really think just before the Benghazi report comes out they only talked about
grandchildren and golf? Think about this, guys. They are having this private meeting. they don't
disclose it to anybody. If you had nothing to hide. W hy not let people know from the very
beginning that you met and that you talked about nothing at all.
VAN SUSTEREN : You know, what I don't understand is that this one to me isn't even close.
It's not one of those gray areas.
PHANG: No.
VAN SUSTEREN : Because there is nothing -- that whole -- the thing that is so branded in all of
us, the appearance of impropriety to have the person going to make the decision whether or not
this goes to a grand jury, goes a step farther or not, have that person meet with the spouse of the
VAN SUSTEREN : Even if they do talk about grandchildren, this one isn't even close. W hat in
the world was that woman thinking? I mean. W hat is that attorney general saying? I blame her.
WILLIAMS: When I got the call this afternoon from Cory Howell, one of your producers, the
first thing I said this is stuck on stupid. you are the Attorney General for the United States. You
VAN SUSTEREN : What if she doesn't know better. That's even scarier.
WILLIAMS: This is not a dumb woman. She a smart woman. She knew she shouldn't have
met with him. She tries to walk it back we met and talked about family matters. If the
appearance it's the appearance. And this is what is going to hurt this whole thing. She needs to
recuse herself.
VAN SUSTEREN : Actually the thing is we are giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was
an innocent discussion. We haven't even got tonight fact that some people -- a lot are suspicious
that this wasn't just an appearance of impropriety issue that there is something going down on
this. But we are giving them the benefit of the doubt and absolutely all scandalized by. This Im
stuck on the fact that Ted just said that she was in bed with Bill Clinton. Putting a side, even
has got to remove herself from this case and let somebody else decide. Why allow any question
into the objectivity of the ultimate investigation's results. You should never do that especially at
VAN SUSTEREN : It's not a close question to me. she should get off this case is it a close
WILLIAMS: Clearly not a close question for me. She has to get off the case because, trust me,
you are going to heart drums beat and see Donald Trump with something on this right away. I
mean.
VAN SUSTEREN : Im surprised we haven't heard it already the emails. I don't kno w one
lawyer I can think of, I don't care democrat or republican, who would not be scandalized by this.
WILLIAMS: I talked to a federal judge afternoon. and he was beside himself. He said no. As
a matter of fact, I talked to two federal judges and they both were beside themselves and said no,
VAN SUSTEREN : See, I think that's what the viewers have to understand. Even if nothing
happened at all, the new discussion about emails or Benghazi, this was so profoundly against the
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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN : The burning political question will the Benghazi report hurt
Secretary Hillary Clinton. the "on the record" political panel is here from the N ew York Post,
Daniel Halpern, and from the Washington Times Stephen Dinan. This private conversation on
the tarmac between the Attorney General Loretta Lynch and President Bill Clinton let's assume
they just talked about being grandparents. Is that appalling to the legal -- the legal world we are
STEPHEN DINAN : We talked about this in the past imagine the FBI recommends prosecution
and the Justice Department says no we are not going to pursue that after a conversation like this
DANIEL HALPERN : Its at once appalling. At the same time it goes into Donald Trump's
talking points which is that the system is corrupt. He says it on all areas. Including the legal and
justice system and I think anybody would look at this and suggest something as you guys said
earlier, at the very least it looks bad and I think it fits right into his narrative and really hurts
Hillary Clinton.
VAN SUSTEREN : I can't get over either one of them, either the attorney general or the
HALPERN: You can understand why the president would want to do it the attorney general
VAN SUSTEREN : Let's face it, Clinton is a friendly type guy. He talks to everybody. that's
bill Clinton should be smart enough not to do that, knowing that it feeds into his political
opponents.
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KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE : Well you probably heard about this today, but if you didnt you
should pay attention. The Justice Department is still investigating Hillary Clinton for possible
criminal wrongdoing regarding her private e-mail server. so why would the woman in charge of
that investigation meet privately with Clintons husband? well, it happened on Monday. Here's
ATTORNEY GENERAL LORETTA LYNCH: I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix
airport. As I was leaving and he spoke to myself and my husband on the plane. O ur
conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. It was primarily social and about our
travels. there was no discussion of any matter pending before the department.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE : Now, FOX is told the meeting was not previously scheduled and
was described as a "crossing of paths." Tomorrow and Friday at 2:00 p.m. eastern, Im filling in
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General Loretta Lynch is raising questions about a potential conflict of interest. She confirmed
she spoke with Clinton at the airport in Phoenix but said it was not a planned meeting. She
insisted they spoke about grandchildren and golf, and current news events but did not discuss the
Benghazi or the e-mail investigations. As you know, if the FBI finds evidence that Hillary
Clinton or one of her top aides mishandled classified information or lied under oath, and then the
FBI referred an indictment, by all accounts, it will be lynch who will have to decide whether to
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MARC COTA-ROBLES: We just heard from attorney general loretta lynch, here to highlight
law enforcement efforts to use social media to their advantage. meeting with officers and chief
charlie beck. ok us behind the scenes and gave us an idea of how law enforcement is using
technology and social media. whether we're dealing with criminals in our own community or the
intel that can be gathered from sites like facebook and twitter can be critical to law enforcement
investigations.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LORETTA LYNCH : The challenge for law enforcement today and
21st century policing, how to ensure we're using the best, most innovative tools available to
COTA-ROBLES : There are no credible threats in the U.S., but that the U.S. stands with Turkey
and "we're all in this together." M ayor Eric Garcetti was also here this afternoon. They all left
about 30 minutes ago. A busy afternoon with more discussions on the way. He and the
department discussing how the LAPD is using social media and their investigation and reacting
to what occurred yesterday in Turkey. More of that coming up at 5:00 p.m. on "Eyewitness
News." For now, live in downtown Los Angeles, Marc Cota-Robles, ABC7, "Eyewitness
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ANCHOR: Can police officers and tech be used to fight crime? The Attorney General came
here to promote something already at the LAPD. But even as her community policing tour
attracted attention it also attracted controversy. And N BC 4's John Klemack has more.
JOHN KLEMACK: Yeah, chuck, it's here where the ag wanted to learn a little bit more about
what LAPD was doing. And there are innovative ways of what they say is called community
attorney in the country and today complime nting the police department, the office she inherited
ATTORNEY GENERAL LORETTA LYNCH: And this kind of row active and inclusive
approach particularly arising out of a history of tensions is one we're encouraging around the
country.
KLEM ACK: U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch says we are facing this challenge that will
KLEMACK: And they learned how the department is using social media to combat crime and
keep the community safe. But outside the center, others are protesting saying there are continued
complaints of racism.
PROTESTER : Continue to lead the nation in murders of people of color. so to reward them is
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Look, they raise issues of concern to all of us. And I think
if we're going to look at all the problems and issues that law enforcement faces they are a very
KLEMACK: The Police Chief Charlie Beck said he wanted to see firsthand what the
POLICE CHIEF CHARLIE BECK : This is a police department that learned many hard
lessons. And some of the things we learned about building community trust, some of the things
we learned about keeping a difficult city safer can help other cities, then we have achieved our
mission.
KLEMACK: The Attorney General staying here overnight. Tomorrow she will go to Playa
Vista to meet with others about how they're connecting with the communities here. From Los
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Excellent - thanks!
>On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Curtis, Sabrina (OAG) <scurtis@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
> We can now dial out on the tablet in the hold room and put it on speaker.
>
> Sabrina Curtis
> 202-532-5761
>
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Lewis, Kevin S. {OPA) <kslewis@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
>Copy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>On Jun 30, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG} <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Please also check to see if there is a conference phone in the hold room.
>>
>>Thanks,
>> Shirlethia
>>
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Guys,
>>>
> Would it be possible to take the AG back to hold for 15 minutes after the Facebook Town Hall
(before lunch)? I need to schedule a quick ca ll for Carolyn to brief her about the proposal re the Clinton
meeting.
>>>
> Uma and Kevin - I will give you a quick briefing before we speak with the AG, but there is currently
unanimous consent for t he proposed plan.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
> Shirlethia
Here it is - it is the last question after the Clinton one. I can send in a clean email if you' d like!
On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:42 PM, "Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO)" <rls te wart@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Transcript: AG Lynch Li\ Community Policing P.C. Q&A - Last Two Questions
Jnoe 29, 2016
REPORTER Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
ATTOR.1'-fEY GE1'""ERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the
other night as I was landing, he \Vas headed out_ He did come over and say hello, and speak to
my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like that. And
so that was the extent of that And no discussions were held into any cases or things like that
And he didn' t raise anything - uh - about that
REPORTER: You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating bis wife.
REPORTER: Ifs ok. I know that you've gotten letters from the state of Louisiana and
members of Congress relating to New Orleans as a sanctuary city_ Is it accurate that the
Department of Justice instructed New Orleans not to cooperate on immigration policies?
ATTOR..."!\'EY GE1''ERl\L LYNCH: No, those letters refer to questions in asking us to clarify
There have been instances - and they certainly have been tragic - where those individuals have
not been dealt with in regard to their state cases, and we have not been able to follow through with
the immigration case. We recently changed the policy so that where we do have individuals that
we are releasing from the Bureau of Prisons custody, that have an immigration detainer on them,
we -..vill review those instances first, consult with the state and ensure that if they are going to go
ahead and prosecute the case, we can track and follow it and make sure we stay on top of it for
that. But there' s nothing in the consent decree that mandates or directs the city to avoid or
disregard immigration laws.
KEVIN LEWIS: Thank you so much. So we'll see you later today at Summer Night Lights.
Have a good day.
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From: NPO
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:38 PM
To: Press
Cc: Carr, Peter (OPA)
Subject: FW: security details coordinate between Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton?
Unit Chief
National Press Office
FBI Office of Pu blic Affair s
Hi-
Weird question, but I' m trying to confirm thatthe reason former president Bill Clinton knew Attorney
General Loretta Lynch was at an airport in Phoenix this week is that the agents working their respective
security details (FBI in the case of the Attorney General) were coordinating during the time they were both
on the tarmac. Is anyone able to shed light on that question of how the former president knew the Attorney
General had just landed and how a meeting between the two of them happened?
Many thanks,
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 7:25 PM, "Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)" <kslewis@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
>
>Can you do a search for recent column from Jonathan?
>
> Has he written about the Clinton meeting? Anything on criminal justice, LGBT rights, Orlando
shooter, criminal justice.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
Nothing on the Clinton meeting. Link to all of his Washington Post articles is below. He's written a lot
about LGBT and, more broadly, civil rights. I' ll send the most relevant clips from the link below in an
email - wanted to get you the link in the meantime:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jonathan-capehart
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 7:25 PM, "Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA)" <kslewis@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Can you do a search for recent column from Jonathan?
>
> Has he written about the Clinton meeting? Anything on criminal justice, LGBT rights, Orlando
shooter, criminal justice.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public A ffairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell: (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Press
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Cc: Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO)
Subject: FW: Secretary Lynch on w / Chuck Todd Friday?
Hello-
I' d like to submit a request for Chuck Todd to interview Secretary Lynch tomorrow {Friday) in the Spm hour.
With many questioning her meeting w ith Former President Clinton, Chuck would like to discuss what took
place.
Please let me know if she is available-I' m happy to speak in more detail about the interview.
Thank you-egd
Evan G. Dixon
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hi there, wear going to go back to aspen, colorado, where we see the attorney general loretta
lynch getting ready to sit down with jonathan capehart. we might as well listen in as they're
getting started. >> as an msnbc contributor, thank you for being here this morning. attorney
general, thank you for being here. as walter said, you have a reputation of having the highest
integrity, utmost, solid judgment, so when people heard people heard what went down in
phoenix, a lot of people were like, i mean, friends, supporters, backers, saying, what on earth was
he thinking? talking to bill clinton? so what on earth were you thinking? what happened? >>
well, i think that's the question of the day, isn't it. i think it's a perfectly reasonable question, i
think that's the question that is called by what happened in phoenix because people have also
wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution of matters involving the
investigation into the state department e-mails. and to the extent that people have questions about
that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with him raises questions and concerns, so
believe me, i completely get that question. and i think it is the question of the day. i think the
issue is, again, what is my role is how that matter is going to be resolved? let me be clear on how
that is going to be resolved. i have gotten that question a lot of times. but i think it is important
that people see what that process is like, as i have always indicated, the matter is being handled
by career agents and investigators that have handled it since the beginning. >> which predates
your tenure as attorney general. >> they predate my tenure. that team will make findings, that is
to stay that will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will
make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. the recommendations will
be re reviewed by career supervisors and by the fbi director, and they will present it to me and i
fully expect to accept the recommendations. >> you say you fully expect to accept their
recommendations, one thing people were saying when the news broke was that you were
recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination, is that the case? >> a
recusal would mean that i wouldn't even be briefed on what the findings would be. in coming up
with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move forward, i will be briefed
on it and i will be accepting their recommendations. >> this must be the journalist in me or the
linguist in me, that would to me meaning, here madam attorney general, here are our findings
and you accept them whole heartedly and issue them to the public, or you accept them and look
them over and make your own determination as to what the final determination will be. >> the
Guys:
I can't do this. Is there someone you want me to recommend they reach out to?
Hope all is well.
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contained within the recommendations or report or whatever format the team puts it together,
that has not been resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their
investigation, there will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened
or occurred and it will be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed.
CAPEHART: And when you say there will be a review, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH : Im talking about the initial process of how this case will
be resolved. This case will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the
beginning. Supervisors always review matters, in this case that review will be career people in
the Department of Justice, and also the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director
and that will be the finalization of not just the factual findings but the next steps in this matter.
CAPEHART: And I find it interesting, several times you have made a point of saying career
prosecutors, career officials within the justice department. W hy are you making that very hard
LYNCH: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months, frankly,
about my role in this investigation and what it would likely be, was a question or a concern about
whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding how to
investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going forward?
And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independent. They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts
and follow the law, and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps
should be. But, you know, in my role as attorney general, there are cases that come up to me, I
am informed of them from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention.
I'll be informed of those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I
will be accepting their recommendations and their plans for going forward.
CAPEHART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you're talking about right now was already being
considered, and so the question is before President Clinton boarded your plane in Arizona, had
you already made the determination that what you're announcing today was indeed what you
LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part its
because, as I'm sure you know as a journalist, I do get this question a lot. And as I have said on
occasions as to why we don't talking about ongoing investigations in terms of what's being
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
also dont typically talk about the process by which we make decisions, and Ive provided that
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feel.
And I feel that while I can certainly say, this will be handled like any other, as it has always
been, and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was always going to be. I think people
that means, and really accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of
Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the what were you thinking question. But let me
put a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington
for a while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts of reasons,
but its very fast. You're on your plane and in walks the former presid ent of the United States,
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH : Well, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we
basically said hello and I congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that
led to a conversation about those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a
conversation about his travels and he told me what he had been doing in Phoenix and various
things, and then we spoke about former Attorney General Janet Reno, but it really was a social
meeting. And it really was in that regard. He spoke to me, and he spoke to my husband for some
time on the plane, and we moved on. And as Ive said before though, I do think that no matter
how I viewed it, I understand how people view it. And I think that because of that and because
of the fact that it has now cast a shadow over how this case may be perceived, no matter how it's
resolved, it's important to talk about how it will be resolved. It's important to make it clear that
that meeting with President Clinton does not have a bearing on how this matter is going to be
reviewed, resolved and accepted by me. Because that is the question that it raises. So again, no
matter how I viewed the meeting, what's important to me is how people view the Department of
Justice because of that meeting. How do people view the team that has worked on this from the
beginning, because of this meeting? How do people view the work that we do everyday on
behalf of the American people, which we strive to do with integrity and independence. So thats
the question for me, and that's why I felt it was important to talk about what impact that meeting
CAPEHART: Now, youve known President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who
nominated you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm
wondering - you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing
professional relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, Um, get o ff my plane.
what are you doing here? Do you regret not telling the former President of the United States to
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but
the issue is how does it impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice
does. I certainly wouldn't do it again. Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should
not, over what it will not touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this
matter will be resolved, and how the review and how the determinations and the decisions will
be made. I can say, as I have said, it's going to be handled by career people and then we can
make an announcement as to what it is. But unless people have some insight into that process,
they're not going to be able to evaluate that. The most important thing for me as an Attorney
General is the integrity of the Department of Justice. The fact that the meeting that I had is now
casting a shadow over how people are going to view that work is something that I take seriously
that people can have a full view of how we do our work and why we do our work and how this
case is going to be resolved as well as how all the cases that we look at are going to be resolved.
CAPEHART: And so of course, whats happened as a result of this, people who are out there in
the world are saying, See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us.
And you just said that this whole incident has been painful, is one of the words, one of the
words you used. W hat would you say to the American people who might -- who believe that,
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have
questions about how we in government do our business and how we handle business and how we
handle matters and I think that, again, I understand that my meeting on the plane with former
President Clinton could give them another reason to have questions and concerns also. And that
is something that -- and that's why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the
Department of Justice is important. And what I would say to people is to look at the work that
we do. Look at the matters that we work on every day, whether they involve a high profile
matter, or a matter where you have never heard of the person. Look at the victims that we deal
with every day, look at the people that we protect every day because that's our mission. And to
the extent that this issue has overshadowed that mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I
think it's important that we provide as much information as we can so people can have faith and
confidence in the work of the department and the work of the people who carry on this work
every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually don't know that. Because
again, I don't have that insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this
point in time. They're working on it. Theyre working on it very hard. They're working on it to
be sure that they're thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that theyve
looked at every issue. They're doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do
every single day, and I could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to
present that work to the American people when this matter is resolved, and we can let people
Transcript Aspen Ideas Forum (President Clinton & State Dept. Emails Q & A)
July 1, 2016
JONATHAN CAPEHART: By the way, Im Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and a
MSNBC contributor. Thank you for being here this morning. Attorney General, thank you for
being here. As Walter said, you have a reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost, solid
judgment, so when people heard what went down in Phoenix, a lot of people were like, I mean,
friends, supporters, backers, saying, what on earth was she thinking? Talking to Bill Clinton? So
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I think that's the question of the day, isn't it. I think
it's a perfectly reasonable question, I think that's the question that is called by what happened in
Phoenix because people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate
resolution of matters involving the investigation into the State Department e-mails. And to the
extent that people have questions about that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with
him raises questions and concerns, and so believe me, I completely get that question. And I think
it is the question of the day. I think the issue is, again, what is my role in how that matter is going
to be resolved? And so, let me be clear on how that is going to be resolved. I have gotten that
question a lot over time and we usually dont go into thos e deliberations, but I do think it is
important that people see what that process is like, as I have always indicated, the matter is being
handled by career agents and investigators, with the Department of Justice, theyve had it since
the beginning.
AG LYNCH: It predates my tenure as Attorney General. It is the same team and they are acting
independently. They follow the law, they follow the facts. That team will make findings, that is
to say they will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will
make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. The recommendations will
be reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI and by the FBI
Director, and then, as is the common process, they will present it to me and I fully expect to
CAPEHART: Now, whats interesting here is you say you fully expect to accept their
recommendations, one thing people were saying this morning when the news broke was that you
were, quote recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination, is that
were or what the actions going forward would be. And while I dont have a role in those findings
in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move forward, I
CAPEHART: And when you sayagain, this must be the journalist in me or the linguist in me,
accepting to me would mean; Here Madam Attorney General, here are our findings and you
accept them whole heartedly and issue them to the public, or you accept them and look them
over and then make your own determination as to what the final determination will be.
AG LYNCH: No, the final determination as to how to proceed will be contained within the
recommendations or report or whatever format the team puts it together, that has not been
resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their investigation, there
will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened or occurred and it
will be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed.
CAPEHART: And when you say there will be a review, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
AG LYNCH : Im talking about the initial process of how this case will be resolved. This case
will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the beginning. Supervisors always
review matters, in this case that review will be career people in the Department of Justice, and
also the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director and that will be the finalization
of not just the factual findings but the next steps in this matter.
CAPEHART: And I find it interesting, several times you have made a point of saying career
prosecutors, career officials within the justice department. W hy are you making that very hard
AG LYNCH: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months,
frankly, about my role in this investigation and what it would likely be, was a question or a
concern about whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding
how to investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going
forward? And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independent. They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts
and follow the law, and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps
should be. But, you know, in my role as attorney general, there are cases that come up to me, I
am informed of them from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention.
I'll be informed of those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I
will be accepting their recommendations and their plans for going forward.
CAPEHART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you're talking about right now was already being
you already made the determination that what you're announcing today was indeed what you
AG LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part
it s because, as I'm sure you know as a journalist, I do get this question a lot. And as I have said
on occasions as to why we don't talking about ongoing investigations in terms of what's being
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
also dont typically talk about the process by which we make decisions, and Ive provided that
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feel.
And I feel that while I can certainly say, this will be handled like any other, as it has always
been, and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was always going to be. I think people
need the information about exactly how that resolution will come about in order to know what
that means, and really accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of
Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the what were you thinking question. But let me
put a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington
for a while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts of reasons,
but its very fast. You're on your plane and in walks the former president of the United States,
AG LYNCH : Well, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello and I
congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that led to a conversation about
those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a conversation about his travels and he
told me what he had been doing in Phoenix and various things, and then we spoke about former
Attorney General Janet Reno, but it really was a social meeting. And it really was in that regard.
He spoke to me, and he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane, and we moved on.
And as Ive said before though, I do think that no matter how I viewed it, I understand how
people view it. And I think that because of that and because of the fact that it has now cast a
shadow over how this case may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved, it's important to talk
about how it will be resolved. It's important to make it clear that that meeting with President
Clinton does not have a bearing on how this matter is going to be reviewed, resolved and
accepted by me. Because that is the question that it raises. So again, no matter how I viewed the
meeting, what's important to me is how people view the Department of Justice because of that
meeting. How do people view the team that has worked on this from the beginning, because of
this meeting? How do people view the work that we do everyday on behalf of the American
people, which we strive to do with integrity and independence. So thats the question for me,
and that's why I felt it was important to talk about what impact that meeting would have on the
case.
CAPEHART: Now, youve known President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who
nominated you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm
wondering - you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing
professional relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, Um, get off my plane.
AG LYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but the issue is how does it
impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice does. I certainly wouldn't
do it again. Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not
touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this matter will be resolved, and
how the review and how the determinations and the decisions will be made. I can say, as I have
said, it's going to be handled by career people and then we can make an announcement as to what
it is. But unless people have some insight into that process, they're not going to be able to
evaluate that. The most important thing for me as an Attorney General is the integrity of the
Department of Justice. The fact that the meeting that I had is now casting a shadow over how
people are going to view that work is something that I take seriously and deeply and painfully.
So I think it's important to provide as much information as we can so that people can have a full
view of how we do our work and why we do our work and how this case is going to be resolved
as well as how all the cases that we look at are going to be resolved.
CAPEHART: And so of course, whats happened as a result of this, people who are out there in
the world are saying, See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us.
And you just said that this whole incid ent has been painful, is one of the words, one of the
words you used. W hat would you say to the American people who might -- who believe that,
AG LYNCH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have questions about how we
in government do our business and how we handle business and how we handle matters and I
think that, again, I understand that my meeting on the plane with former President Clinton could
give them another reason to have questions and concerns also. And that is something that -- and
that's why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the Department of Justice is
important. And what I would say to people is to look at the work that we do. Look at the
matters that we work on every day, whether they involve a high profile matter, or a matter where
you have never heard of the person. Look at the victims that we deal with every day, look at the
people that we protect every day because that's our mission. And to the extent that this issue has
overshadowed that mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I think it's important that we
provide as much information as we can so people can have faith and confidence in the work of
the department and the work of the people who carry on this work every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
AG LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually d ont know that. Because again, I dont have
that insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this point in time. Theyre
working on it. Theyre working on it very hard. Theyre working on it to be sure that theyre
thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that theyve looked at every issue.
Theyre doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do every single day, and I
could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to present that work to the
investigation.
Jack Date from ABC called them about their Phoenix affiliate that the FBI was
t FBI received the call and is looking for
guidance and to know if we will provide any comment on this? Have you heard from Jack?
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The reporter who acted on a tip to go to Sky Harbor International Airport and witnessed the
Loretta Lynch-Bill Clinton clandestine meeting said the FBI agents there ordered "no photos, no
picture, no cell phones. "
Christopher Sign told Fox News' Bill O'Reilly on Thursdaythatthe attorney general's plane
landed on time while the former president and his entourage were running late.
"The fo rmer president than steps into her plane. They then speak for 30 minutes privately,"
Sign, a morning anchor for KNXV-TV ABC 15 said on "The O'Reilly Factor."
"The FBI there on the tarmac instructing everybody around, 'No photos, no pictures, no cell
phones.' He then gets off the plane, gets on his own plane, he departs, she continues on with
her planned visit."
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Office of Public Affairs
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I was wondering if the DOJ had a comment on the Loretta Lynch meeting w ith Bill Clinton the other day. I' m
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several weeks, a few months. And we were here because you were going to talk about criminal
justice reform.
CAPEHART: Youve been out west and making your way back east, going to various
communities, talking about some of the findings and things that people are doing vis-a-vis the
president s Task Force on 21st Century Policing. And in reading the report - I actually read it -
there was a quote in there that I think captures why this commission was important. And it came
from a commision member, Susan Lee Rahr - shes executive director of the Washington State
Criminal Justice Training Commision. And she wrote, In 2012, we began asking the question,
why are we training police officers like soldiers? Although police officers wear uniforms and
carry weapons, the similarity ends there. The missions and rules of engagement are completely
different. The soldiers mission is that of a warrior - to conquer; the rules of engagement are
decided before the battle. The police officers mission is that of a guardian - to protect; the rules
of engagement evolve as the incident unfolds. How did we get from police being guardians who
protect to what many of you - as police being basically a domestic military force occupying
neighborhoods?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, I think its going to be different in every
community, but its been one of the underlying concerns that Ive heard as Ive traveled the
country on my Community Policing Tour - is community residents who say, we dont have a
connection with our local police force. They simply patro l, and they dont connect with us. And
so my goal, on the tour that I just finished, both in 2015 and 2016, was to find those communities
where communities and law enforcement were working together, and were making positive
change, and were working on the format where the police are, in fact, the guardians of the
certainly, we were talking, at some point and time several years back, about a huge influx of
narcotics in our communities. And that has certainly led to a host of consequences that we are
trying now to alleviate with criminal justice reform and sentencing reform. But it also led to a
view that aggressive policing was really necessary in order to deal with not just narcotics, but
also the violent crime that often comes along with it. And there are those who said the pendulum
swung too far in that direction, so I think we find ourselves now in a situation where - to say that
there is, sort of, a frayed relationship of trust between law enforcement and many communities,
particularly minority communities, is the understatement of this generation. So what Ive been
working on - and this is one, in fact, one of my priorities, is looking at communities that have
had that frayed relationship, that have had things break down, that have had the violence of
Baltimore, or a terrible incident involving someone losing their life at the hands of a police
officer, or even a Department of Justice (DO J) case against them - and looking at how they are a
couple of years after that. Have they managed to use the tools that we tried to provide to them,
and in fact create a positive working relationship between law enforcement and the community.
And I actually have been very hear tened by what Ive seen across the country.
CAPEHART: I was going to ask you - how have police departments been - how receptive have
they been to these recommendations, particularly the one that says that police departments need
to own their past, need to own the conflict that theyve generated, that has generated the distrust
between the law enforcement and the community. How are police departments responding to
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Yes, thats an excellent point because I often talk to
community members who will say, you know, things are great with this police chief, were
actually making very positive strides. But community members will say, but you know, five
years ago this incident happened to me, or even 10 years ago, I saw this happen to my older
sibling or parent. And that remains in peoples consciousness and affects how they interact with
the police. Couple of the jurisdictions I visited - I was actually in Los Angeles just yesterday,
and I also went to Miami, and I was in Portland. And I was visiting those jurisdictions because
they actually were still in the middle of resolving problems. I mean, the Los Angeles Police
Departments history, I think, is well documented, and the issues that they had. They were under
a consent decree in the 2000s. Theyve come out of that now, but I think certainly residents still
recall those days. And so I was very heartened to see in my discussions, both with police
leadership and community members, that no one was ignoring the past, that people are saying,
you know, we have to own the past, and we have to acknowledge that we have contributed. We,
law enforcement, have contributed to these problems, and heres what we are doing to be
without that acceptance of responsibility, there wont be trust in the new either regime or policies
going forward.
CAPEHART: Now a few years ago, FBI director James C omey delivered on race - a pretty
spectacular speech on race - where he talked about how law enforcement needed to own its past.
One of the things - another thing that Director C omey has said on multiple occasions is that he
believes there is a so- called Ferguson Effect on law enforcement jurisdictions. Do you agree
with him? Is there a Ferguson Effect, it meaning that as a result of what happened in Ferguson
actions - that police officers are now wary to actually do their jobs, for lack of a better
description - but to patrol neighborhoods and to continue to make them safe. And thats resulted
in a spike in crime.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well the FBI director has spoken about that, and he s
spoken about it in the context that people have relayed to him. And so, you know, hes spoken
about it in that context. I have not seen that. And in fact, we had a recent DO J study, and the
conclusion was: we need more information, as most studies are . But I think - and thats statistics
for you - but I think what Ive seen, you know, as Ive talked to police departments across the
country and community members across the country is a lot of change in law enforcement. A lot
of change at the level of training, a lot of change in the community involvement, a movement
away from over-policing, a movement towards getting to know members of the community,
getting to understand people and their problems. And certainly I think it is the hope of all of us
in law enforcement that that will lead to not only a reduction in crime, but it certainly could lead
to a reduction in the number of arrests. I have not seen police officers shirking their
responsibilities. I have not seen police officers backing away from the hard issues that come
from patrolling very difficult and often very dangerous communities. Ive seen them moving
towards that. Ive seen them come to the Department of Justice and say, you know, I have a use
of force policy thats really old - can you help me make sure mine is up to date? Ive seen them
come to the department and say I want to set up a community board - do you have some
examples that I can look at so that I dont have a situation like Ive seen in other police
departments. So Ive seen a lot of positive action from both community members and law
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well I was in Los Angeles, but I met with the team of
agents, investigators, police officers and lawyers who had worked on the San Bernardino
CAPEHART: And as we recall, that was December, mass shooting, 14 people were killed. And
there are a couple of currents in that shooting - also if you tie in Orlando and what happened last
month, where 49 people were killed - youve got folks who have high capacity weapons to kill
lots of people, but you also have people who, from reports, are inspired by ISIS. So can you talk
about the challenge that those twin things cause for you and the department? Mass shootings but
also terrorism.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Yes, yes. Well you know the challenge is something that
weve been talking about for some time now as weve looked at how the threat to our homeland
has changed and morphed over the years since 9/11. Obviously, we still are looking at
investigating the orchestrated attacks like that, but what we are seeing now are more of the
individuals, investigating and preventing their actions; we also have a dual challenge of how do
we break that chain of the violent ideology that people consume online? The Internet is free and
open, and it should remain free and open, but it is the place that many people go and find
information that dates back years. And youll see the tracking of - in many of the investigations
that we have of people who start out looking at Al Qaeda types of videos and documentaries
move into ISIS supported ideology and videos as well. How do we reach those individuals and
either give them an alternative reason for their thought processes or break that chain of violent
CAPEHART: Alright. So Im looking at the clock. Weve got less than seven minutes left, so
Ive got lots of stuff to cram in here. So on May 9, you announced that the Justice Department
was suing N orth Carolina for its so- called Bathroom Bill. And at one point, a very powerful
moment in your remarks, you directed them directly to the transgender community. And I wont
read the entire quote, but one piece of it jumped out at me, and that was when you said that, we
see you to transgender Americans. W hy did you feel it was important to say those words to that
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Because when we talk about different groups in this
country who are victimized and who are marginalized, the way in which it often happens is
people are made to feel or to be invisible. Because if someone is invisible, you dont have to
look a their concerns or their issues. If theyre invisible, you dont have to hear about the
problems that they have. And I think this is a time of great social change in this country - I think
for the good, I think for the better. I think were moving towards what Dr. King called the
Beloved Community. But with change often comes a lot of uncertainty and fear on the part of
other people, who find it challenging to say the least. And I think there is often a desire to deal
with someone or some issue that you find different by shoving it out of sight. And if we are
really going to have the open and free society that is the birthright of every American, that is the
right of everyone who comes here and lives here, in this country, then everyone deserves the
right to stand in the light. It has been my concern - also, with respect to the Orlando shooting,
that members of the LGBT community may feel that its safe for me if I dont come out. Maybe
its safer for me if I stay in the shadows. Thats not the country we live in. Its not the America
weve chosen over 200 years ago, its not the one that any of us want. And so everyone deserves
to stand in the light and to truly be seen for who they are. Thats what diversity is, and to me,
CAPEHART: What did Eric Holder tell you about this job?
CAPEHART: Whats the one thing you wish he had told you?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Where the lock on the plane door was.
her successor. What did Attorney General Holder leave for you? What did he say in his letter?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: - so I wont go into the exact letter. But what I will say is
that AG Holder has been a friend for some time and Ive had the privilege of working with him,
both as U.S. Attorney in two separate administrations, and working with him as Attorney
General was a privilege. And he has always been supportive, he has always talked to me about
the privilege of being attorney general and the privilege of serving the American people, and
working to ensure that in every way in which the Department of Justice works, that the highest
standards of integrity are upheld. Thats something thats been a part of my career since I joined
the department. And he has always been that voice of that for me as well.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: You know, Im not sure how you separate the two for me.
[Laughs] You know, I think that - for me, this is the greatest job that Ive had. And its such a
tremendous privilege to sit in that chair, and to try to do justice and try to do the right thing every
day. And so I approach it from that perspective. I think if people want to look at it and say, Do
I want to make a decision based on my ba ckground in some way - I think all of us are a
combination of all of our experiences. And I think that I look back on my experiences growing
up in the South and what my parents went through, and how important it was for them to stand
up for equal rights, and how important it was for them to make it clear that everyone has a place
in society. And I look back on my years as a prosecutor, and my years of dealing with victims
who often feel like theres no one to speak for them, and I think of how important it is that
So I think that everything that I am, and everything that Ive done, combines and comes together
in me as I do this job.
CAPEHART: Well, you know, it s interesting - for general perception, you know, as a woman
and as a woman of color - youre supposed to be a lefty, and youre supposed to be someone
whos actually a defense person, not a prosecutor. How did you gravitate towards being a
prosecutor?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH : For me, the prosecutors role is the protector of people.
And Ive always felt that there are many communities out there, and many of them are minority
communities, who either feel rightly - and sometimes rightly - that they dont get the full benefit
of the protection of the law. That maybe crime in a certain neighborhood isnt always as
aggressively pursued as in others. And it was very important to me to be part of a system that
protected everyone equally and fairly. So I view it as very, very important to me, that we take
this - that I take this job as one as extending the protections of law enforcement to everyone that
deserves it.
watched your grandfather - you went with him to go to court to watch people - he defended them
in some way - you talk about your grandfather, and how he basically helped people get over the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: This was the story that actually - this is a story that my
father told me, because my grandfather passed away when I was very young.
And my
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: He was from a small town called Oak City, North
Carolina.
CAPEHART: Im going to have to look that up, my familys from [town], North Carolina.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Yes. And my grandfather was a minister, but he was also
a sharecropper, which meant he didnt actually own the farms that he worked on, they were
owned by other people. And he and his sons, including my father and his brothers, worked those
fields for pay. But he had a very strong sense of justice. And in the 1930s in N orth Carolina,
when my dad was very, very young - were talking about a time before Miranda warnings, before
the guarantee of the right to counsel, before so many of the things that we take for granted in our
criminal justice system now that are guaranteed to us in our Constitution - and so many times
when people found themselves, as my grandfather used to say, in the clutches of the law, unfairly
so, they would come to him for help. And because they did not have the view that there could be
fairness in their procedure, they would literally leave town, and my grandfather would hide them
until they could in fact move away. And my father has told me a story of being at home and the
sheriff coming by and talking to my gr andfather and asking has he seen a particular person, Do
you know where so-and- so is? And the person might actually be hiding under the floorboards,
and my grandfather would say, Well I havent seen him lately. And so for me when I was
younger, I always thought about that story - how does my grandfather, who was a very moral
man, how do you reconcile that with what he was doing? And for him it was the concept of
justice, and so justice - justice is a process. You know, we like to think of it as a verdict, or a
decision - that if in fact you are pulled into the criminal justice system, you do have protections.
And you will be held accountable for what you have done - I firmly believe that, I am a
prosecutor - but it will happen in a way that is consistent with the ideals of this country, and not
the kind of justice that would be found in the dark of a dirt road at night in the 1930s in N orth
Carolina.
CAPEHART: So of course, in preparing for this I reached out to lots of people to get a sense of
you. And I got a terrific question to ask you, and that is - and I notice youre not wearing it, but
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, the bumblebee is the insect that sort of keeps our
planet alive with its work, but anatomically, and in terms of the laws of physics, its not
supposed to be able to fly. If you look at the shape of the body a nd the wings, its not supposed
CAPEHART: And so - and how does that translate to you and your trajectory?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: There are so many times - not just for me, but for everyone
- where youre going through life and you have goals, and people will look at you and make a
decision, like, you cant do that, or you shouldnt be doing that, or is it the place for you? And
whether its because Im African-American, or a woman, or Southern - you know, there are all
kinds of issues that people face. And so, to be able to say back - to wear a symbol that says, I
may not look like I can do this, but yet, I do, is very important to me.
CAPEHART: Im going to go get myself a bumblebee head. Alright, now, we really do only
have a couple of minutes left, and this is where I get to have some fun. So, whats guaranteed to
get you on the dance floor? Taylor Swifts Shake it Off - wait, two more. Bruno Mars
Uptown Funk -
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: I gotta tell you - I gotta go old school with Earth, Wind
and Fire.
CAPEHART: Somehow I knew youd say that. Because Id be out there with you, because I
mean - as soon as you hear the drums in the beginning...anyway. So you were a U.S. Attorney in
New York City. Did you ever find yourself at home, on a rainy, snowy night, pint of ice cream,
with Law and Order on, just watching the re-runs, critiquing cases as they came in and came
out?
New York City is that a lot of cases from New York make their way into shows like Law and
Order. So a number of us would have a lot of fun watching the show and figuring out where
they had drawn some inspiration from. And since a young woman that I used to work with in the
U.S. Attorneys Office at one point in time was a writer on that show, I always felt I had the
inside knowledge of what cases she was talking about. And I just wanted to know who was
CAPEHART: Well, speaking of, who would you like to play you in the movie or the Lifetime
blank. There are so many wonderfully talented black actresses out there who could hopefully
portray what Ive always felt to be my strong desire to make sure that justice is open for
everyone. So anyone who could do that, and I think - frankly, weve got such talent out in
Hollywood now. One of the things that I think is great, again, about how our societys changing
and opening up, is the recognition of black talent in the entertainment industry, the recognition in
front of the camera, behind the camera, writing. That is something that I am just loving
watching.
CAPEHART: Loretta Lynch, 83rd Attorney General of the United States, thank you very much.
Thanks!
The TV clips can wait, no worries.
This is the one TV clip that is done were still editing a couple others (theyre pretty long), but Ill start
REPORTER 1: Let's get over to John Harwood with breaking news out of W ashington.
REPORTER 2: John, weve just heard from the Attorney General Loretta Lynch from the
Aspen Ideas Festival where she was interviewed by our colleague Jonathan Capeheart. She
acknowledged the problems with the meeting that she had with former president Clinton on the
Phoenix airport tarmac a few days ago which has gotten a lot of criticism from democrats and
investigation going on within the FBI and the Justice Department. She said she would not recuse
herself from the case, but she would accept the recommendations of career prosecutors on how to
proceed once that investigation is concluded. Didn't say when that was going to be, so she was
hoping to diffuse the controversy by fessing up to the problems associated with that meeting,
saying she would not do it again but not recusing herself. We'll see whether that satisfies the
critics, guys.
REPORTER 2: Do you think this is likely to put this matter to rest at least for now, John?
HARWOOD : No, I don't, because his was - the appearance of this was very bad - where you
have the former president whos married to the person that hopes to be the future president who
is being investigated by the Attorney General. N ow, Loretta Lynch happens to be somebody
who was appointed to the bench - or, excuse me - appointed U.S. attorney by former president
Clinton in 1999, so there is a prior relationship there. She said that the meeting was purely
social. Nothing has come out to contradict that, but the appearance is very bad. And by the note
of contrition she was striking, she was acknowledging that. I would expect the criticism to
continue, and to continue pretty aggressively - certainly from republicans and from some
democrats, too.
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JONATHAN CAPEHART: By the way, Im Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and a
MSNBC contributor. Thank you for being here this morning. AG , thank you for being here. As
Walter said, you have a reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost, solid judgment, so
when people heard what went down in Phoenix, a lot of people were like, I mean, friends,
supporters, backers, saying, what on earth was she thinking? Talking to Bill Clinton? So what on
AG LYNCH: Well, I think that's the question of the day, isn't it. I think it's a perfectly
reasonable question, I think that's the question that is called by what happened in Phoenix
because people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution
of matters involving the investigation into the State Department e-mails. And to the extent that
people have questions about that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with him raises
questions and concerns, and so believe me, I completely get that question. And I think it is the
question of the day. I think the issue is, again, what is my role in how that matter is going to be
resolved? And so, let me be clear on how that is going to be resolved. I have gotten that question
a lot over time and we usually dont go into those deliberations, but I do think it is important that
people see what that process is like, as I have always indicated, the matter is being handled by
career agents and investigators, with the Department of Justice , theyve had it since the
beginning.
AG LYNCH: It predates my tenure as AG . It is the same team and they are acting
independently. They follow the law, they follow the facts. That team will make findings, that is
to say they will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will
make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. The recommendations will
be reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI and by the FBI
Director, and then, as is the common process, they will present it to me and I fully expect to
CAPEHART: N ow, w hats interesting here is you say you fully expect to accept their
recommendations, one thing people were saying this morning when the news broke was that you
were , quote recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination , is that
AG LYNCH: Well, a recusal would mean that I wouldn't even be briefed on what the findings
were or what the actions going forward would be. And while I dont have a role in those findings
in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move forward, I
CAPEHART: And when you sayagain, this must be the journalist in me or the linguist in me,
accepting to me would mean; Here Madam AG , here are our findings and you accept them
whole heartedly and issue them to the public, or you accept them and look them over and then
make your own determination as to what the final determination will be.
recommendations or report or whatever format the team puts it together, that has not been
resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their invest igation, there
will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened or occurred and it
will be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed.
CAPEHART: And when you say there will be a review, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
AG LYNCH : Im talking about the initial process of how this case will be resolved. This case
will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the beginning. Supervisors always
review matters, in this case that review will be career people in the Department of Justice, and
also the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director and that will be the finalization
of not just the factual findings but the next steps in this matter.
CAPEHART: And I find it interesting, several times you have made a point of saying career
prosecutors, career officials within the justice department. W hy are you making that very hard
AG LYNCH: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months,
frankly, about my role in this investigation and what it would likely be, was a question or a
concern about whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding
how to investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going
forward? And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independent. They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts
and follow the law, and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps
should be. But, you know, in my role as AG , there are cases that come up to me, I am informed
of them from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention. I'll be
informed of those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I will be
CAPEHART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you're talking about right now was already being
considered, and so the question is before President Clinton boarded your plane in Arizona, had
you already made the determination that what you're announcing today was indeed what you
AG LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part
on occasions as to why we don't talking about ongoing investigations in terms of what's being
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
also dont typically talk about the process by which we make decisions, and Ive provided that
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feel.
been, and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was always going to be. I think people
need the information about exactly how that resolution will come about in order to know what
that means, and really accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of
Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the what were you thinking question. But let me
put a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington
for a while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts of reasons,
but its very fast. You're on your plane and in walks the former president of the United States,
AG LYNCH : Well, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello and I
congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that led to a conversation about
those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a conversation about his travels and he
told me what he had been doing in Phoenix and various things, and then we spoke about former
AG Janet Reno, but it really was a social meeting. And it really was in that regard. He spoke to
me, and he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane, a nd we moved on. And as Ive said
before though, I do think that no matter how I viewed it, I understand how people view it. And I
think that because of that and because of the fact that it has now cast a shadow over how this
case may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved, it's important to talk about how it will be
resolved. It's important to make it clear that that meeting with President Clinton does not have a
bearing on how this matter is going to be reviewed, resolved and accepted by me. Because that
is the question that it raises. So again, no matter how I viewed the meeting, what's important to
me is how people view the Department of Justice because of that meeting. How do people view
the team that has worked on this from the beginning, because of this meeting? How do people
view the work that we do everyday on behalf of the American people, which we strive to do with
integrity and independence. So thats the question for me, and that's why I felt it was important
to talk about what impact that meeting would have on the case.
CAPEHART: Now, youve known President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who
nominated you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm
wondering - you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing
professional relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, Um, get off my plane.
what are you doing here? Do you regret not telling the former President of the United States to
AG LYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but the issue is how does it
impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice does. I certainly wouldn't
do it again. Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not
touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this matter will be resolved, and
how the review and how the determinations and the decisions will be made. I can say, as I have
said, it's going to be handled by career people and then we can make an announcement as to what
it is. But unless people have some insight into that process, they're not going to be able to
evaluate that. The most important thing for me as an AG is the integrity of the Department of
Justice. The fact that the meeting that I had is now casting a shadow over how people are going
important to provide as much information as we can so that people can have a full view of how
we do our work and why we do our work and how this case is going to be resolved as well as
CAPEHART: And so of course, whats happened as a result of this, people who are out there in
the world are saying, See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us.
And you just said that this whole incident has been painful, is one of the words, one of the
words you used. W hat would you say to the American people who might -- who believe that,
AG LYNCH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have questions about how we
in government do our business and how we handle business and how we handle matters and I
think that, again, I understand that my meeting on the plane with former President Clinton could
give them another reason to have questions and concerns also. And that is something that -- and
that's why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the Department of Justice is
important. And what I would say to people is to look at the work that we do. Look at the
matters that we work on every day, whether they involve a high profile matter, or a matter where
you have never heard of the person. Look at the victims that we deal with every day, look at the
people that we protect every day because that's our mission. And to the extent that this issue has
overshadowed that mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I think it's important that we
provide as much information as we can so people can have faith and confidence in the work of
the department and the work of the people who carry on this work every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
AG LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually don t know that. Because again, I don t have
that insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this point in time. They re
working on it. Theyre working on it very hard. They re working on it to be sure that they re
thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that theyve looked at every
issue. They re doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do every single day,
and I could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to present that work
to the American people when this matter is resolved, and we can let people know the outcome of
this investigation.
CAPEHART: Moving on. So. Keep in mind, this sitdown has been on the books for several
several weeks, a few months. And we were here because you were going to talk about criminal
justice reform.
AG LYNCH: Yes.
CAPEHART: Youve been out west and making your way back east, going to various
communities, talking about some of the findings and things that people are doing vis-a-vis the
from a commision member, Susan Lee Rahr - shes executive director of the Washington State
Criminal Justice Training Commision. And she wrote , In 2012, we began asking the question,
why are we training police officers like soldiers? Although police officers wear uniforms and
carry weapons, the similarity ends there. The missions and rules of engagement are completely
different. The soldiers mission is that of a warrior - to conquer; the rules of engagement are
decided before the battle. The police officers mission is that of a guardian - to protect; the rules
of engagement evolve as the incident unfolds. How did we get from police being guardians who
protect to what many of you - as police being basically a domestic military force occupying
neighborhoods?
AG LYNCH: You know, I think its going to be different in every community, but its been one
of the underlying concerns that Ive heard as Ive traveled the country on my Community
Policing Tour - is community residents who say, we dont have a connection with our local
police force. They simply patrol, and they dont connect with us. And so my goal, on the tour
that I just finished, both in 2015 and 2016, was to find those communities where communities
and law enforcement were working together, and were making positive change, and were
working on the format where the police are, in fact, the guardians of the community. I think
theres a whole host of reasons for why training went one way. I mean certainly, we were
talking, at some point and time several years back, about a huge influx of narcotics in our
communities. And that has certainly led to a host of consequences that we are trying now to
alleviate with criminal justice reform and sentencing reform. But it also led to a view that
aggressive policing was really necessary in order to deal with not just narcotics, but also the
violent crime that often comes along with it. And there are those who said the pendulum swung
too far in that direction, so I think we find ourselves now in a situation where - to say that there
is, sort of, a frayed relationship of trust between law enforcement and many communities,
particularly minority communities, is the understatement of this generation. So what Ive been
working on - and this is one, in fact, one of my priorities, is looking at communities that have
had that frayed relationship, that have had things break down, that have had the violence of
Baltimore, or a terrible incident involving someone losing their life at the hands of a police
officer, or even a Department of Justice (DO J) case against them - and looking at how they are a
couple of years after that. Have they managed to use the tools that we tried to provide to them,
and in fact create a positive working relationship between law enforcement and the
community. And I actually have been very heartened by what Ive seen across the country.
CAPEHART: I was going to ask you - how have police departments been - how receptive have
they been to these recommendations, particularly the one that says that police departments need
to own their past, need to own the conflict that theyve generated, that has generated the distrust
between the law enforcement and the community. How are police departments responding to
AG LYNCH: Yes, thats an excellent point because I often talk to community members who
will say, you know, things are great with this police chief, were actually making very positive
strides. But community members will say, but you know, five years ago this incident happened
to me, or even 10 years ago, I saw this happen to my older sibling or parent. And that remains in
I visited - I was actually in Los Angeles just yesterday, and I also went to Miami, and I was in
Portland. And I was visiting those jurisdictions because they actually were still in the middle of
resolving problems. I mean, the Los Angeles Police Departments history, I think, is well
documented, and the issues that they had. They were under a consent decree in the
2000s. Theyve come out of that now, but I think certainly residents still recall those days. And
so I was very heartened to see in my discussions, both with police leadership and community
members, that no one was ignoring the past, that people are saying, you know, we have to own
the past, and we have to acknowledge that we have contributed. We, law enforcement, have
responsibility, there wont be trust in the new either regime or policies going forward.
CAPEHART: Now a few years ago, FBI director James C omey delivered on race - a pretty
spectacular speech on race - where he talked about how law enforcement needed to own its
past. One of the things - another thing that Director C omey has said on multiple occasions is that
he believes there is a so- called Ferguson Effect on law enforcement jurisdictions. Do you
agree with him? Is there a Ferguson Effect, it meaning that as a result of what happened in
Ferguson and Charleston where people are videotaping what police officers - what law
enforcement actions - that police officers are now wary to actually do their jobs, for lack of a
better description - but to patrol neighborhoods and to continue to make them safe. And thats
AG LYNCH: Well the FBI director has spoken about that, and hes spoken about it in the
context that people have relayed to him. And so, you know, hes spoken about it in that
context. I have not seen that. And in fact, we had a recent DO J study, and the conclusion was:
we need more information, as most studies are. But I think - and thats statistics for you - but I
think what Ive seen, you know, as Ive talked to police departments across the country and
community members across the country is a lot of change in law enforcement. A lot of change at
the level of training, a lot of change in the community involvement, a movement away from
understand people and their problems. And certainly I think it is the hope of all of us in law
enforcement that that will lead to not only a reduction in crime, but it certainly could lead to a
reduction in the number of arrests. I have not seen police officers shirking their
responsibilities. I have not seen police officers backing away from the hard issues that come
from patrolling very difficult and often very dangerous communities. Ive seen them moving
towards that. Ive seen them come to the Department of Justice and say, you know, I have a use
come to the department and say I want to set up a community board - do you have some
examples that I can look at so that I dont have a situation like Ive seen in other police
departments. So Ive seen a lot of positive action from both community members and law
AG LYNCH: Yes.
AG LYNCH: Well I was in Los Angeles, but I met with the team of agents, investigators,
police officers and lawyers who had worked on the San Bernardino investigation and are
CAPEHART: And as we recall, that was December, mass shooting, 14 people were killed. And
there are a couple of currents in that shooting - also if you tie in Orlando and what happened last
month, where 49 people were killed - youve got folks who have high capacity weapons to kill
lots of people, but you also have people who, from reports, are inspired by ISIS. So can you talk
about the challenge that those twin things cause for you and the department? Mass shootings but
also terrorism.
AG LYNCH: Yes, yes. Well you know the challenge is something that weve been talking
about for some time now as weve looked at how the threat to our homeland has changed and
morphed over the years since 9/11. Obviously, we still are looking at investigating the
orchestrated attacks like that, but what we are seeing now are more of the homegrown
extremists, those individuals often who were born here, who become radicalized - usually online
- and act out that radical ideology. The challenge is not only finding those individuals,
investigating and preventing their actions; we also have a dual challenge of how do we break that
chain of the violent ideology that people consume online? The Internet is free and open, and it
should remain free and open, but it is the place that many people go and find information that
dates back years. And youll see the tracking of - in many of the investigations that we have of
people who start out looking at Al Qaeda types of videos and documentaries move into ISIS
supported ideology and videos as well. How do we reach those individuals and either give them
an alternative reason for their thought processes or break that chain of violent ideology? So
CAPEHART: Alright. So Im looking at the clock. Weve got less than seven minutes left, so
Ive got lots of stuff to cram in here. So on May 9, you announced that the Justice Department
was suing North Carolina for its so- called Bathroom Bill. And at one point, a very powerful
moment in your remarks, you directed them directly to the transgender community. And I won t
read the entire quote, but one piece of it jumped out at me, and that was when you said that, we
see you to transgender Americans. W hy did you feel it was important to say those words to that
AG LYNCH: Because when we talk about different groups in this country who are victimized
and who are marginalized, the way in which it often happens is people are made to feel or to be
invisible. Because if someone is invisible, you dont have to look a their concerns or the ir
issues. If theyre invisible, you dont have to hear about the problems that they have. And I
think this is a time of great social change in this country - I think for the good, I think for the
better. I think were moving towards what Dr. King called the Beloved Community. But with
change often comes a lot of uncertainty and fear on the part of other people, who find it
challenging to say the least. And I think there is often a desire to deal with someone or some
issue that you find different by shoving it out of sight. And if we are really going to have the
comes here and lives here, in this country, then everyone deserves the right to stand in the
light. It has been my concern - also, with respect to the Orlando shooting, that members of the
LGBT community may feel that its safe for me if I dont come out. Maybe its safer for me if I
stay in the shadows. Thats not the country we live in. Its not the America weve chosen over
200 years ago, its not the one that any of us want. And so everyone deserves to stand in the
light and to truly be seen for who they are. Thats what diversity is, and to me, thats what
America is.
CAPEHART: What did Eric Holder tell you about this job?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs]
CAPEHART: Whats the one thing you wish he had told you?
CAPEHART : [Laughs] Good answer. So I understand that every AG leaves a letter for his or
her successor. What did AG Holder leave for you? What did he say in his letter?
AG LYNCH: - so I wont go into the exact letter. But what I will say is that AG Holder has
been a friend for some time and Ive had the privilege of working with him, both as U.S.
Attorney in two separate administrations, and working with him as AG was a privilege. And he
has always been supportive, he has always talked to me about the privilege of being AG and the
privilege of serving the American people, and working to ensure that in every way in which the
Department of Justice works, that the highest standards of integrity are upheld. Thats something
thats been a part of my career since I joined the department. And he has always been that voice
AG LYNCH: You know, Im not sure how you separate the two for me. [Laughs] You know, I
think that - for me, this is the greatest job that Ive had. And its such a tremendous privilege to
sit in that chair, and to try to do justice and try to do the right thing every day. And so I approach
it from that perspective. I think if people want to look at it and say, Do I want to make a
decision based on my background in some way - I think all of us are a combination of all of our
experiences. And I think that I look back on my experiences growing up in the South and what
my parents went through, and how important it was for them to stand up for equal rights, and
how important it was for them to make it clear that everyone has a place in society. And I look
back on my years as a prosecutor, and my years of dealing with victims who often feel like
theres no one to speak for them, and I think of how important it is that everyone know that the
in me as I do this job.
CAPEHART: Well, you know, its interesting - for general perception, you know, as a woman
and as a woman of color - youre supposed to be a lefty, and youre supposed to be someone
whos actually a defense person, not a prosecutor. How did you gravitate towards being a
prosecutor?
AG LYNCH: For me, the prosecutors role is the protector of people. And Ive always felt that
there are many communities out there, and many of them are minority communities, who either
feel rightly - and sometimes rightly - that they dont get the full benefit of the protection of the
law. That maybe crime in a certain neighborhood isnt always as aggressively pursued as in
others. And it was very important to me to be part of a system that protected everyone equally
and fairly. So I view it as very, very important to me, that we take this - that I take this job as
one as extending the protections of law enforcement to everyone that deserves it.
CAPEHART: Now if I remember correctly, you became interested in the law because you
watched your grandfather - you went with him to go to court to watch people - he defended them
in some way - you talk about your grandfather, and how he basically helped people get over the
AG LYNCH: This was the story that actually - this is a story that my father told me, because
my grandfather passed away when I was very young. And my grandfather grew up in eastern
AG LYNCH: He was from a small town called Oak City, North Carolina.
CAPEHART: Im going to have to look that up, my familys from [town], North
AG LYNCH: Yes. And my grandfather was a minister, but he was also a sharecropper, which
meant he didnt actually own the farms that he worked on, they were owned by other
people. And he and his sons, including my father and his brothers, worked those fields for
pay. But he had a very strong sense of justice. And in the 1930s in North Carolina, when my
dad was very, very young - were talking about a time before Miranda warnings, before the
guarantee of the right to counsel, before so many of the things that we take for granted in our
criminal justice system now that are guaranteed to us in our Constitution - and so many times
when people found themselves, as my grandfather used to say, in the clutches of the law, unfairly
so, they would come to him for help. And because they did not have the view that there could be
fairness in their procedure, they would literally leave town, and my grandfather would hide them
until they could in fact move away. And my father has told me a story of being at home and the
sheriff coming by and talking to my grandfather and asking has he seen a particular person, Do
you know where so-and- so is? And the person might actually be hiding under the floorboards,
younger, I always thought about that story - how does my grandfather, who was a very moral
man, how do you reconcile that with what he was doing? And for him it was the concept of
justice, and so justice - justice is a process. You know, we like to think of it as a verdict, or a
decision - that if in fact you are pulled into the criminal justice system, you do have
protections. And you will be held accountable for what you have done - I firmly believe that, I
am a prosecutor - but it will happen in a way that is consistent with the ideals of this country, and
not the kind of justice that would be found in the dark of a dirt road at night in the 1930s in N orth
Carolina.
CAPEHART: So of course, in preparing for this I reached out to lots of people to get a sense of
you. And I got a terrific question to ask you, and that is - and I notice youre not wearing it, but
AG LYNCH: A bumblebee.
AG LYNCH: Well, the bumblebee is the insect that sort of keeps our planet alive with its work,
but anatomically, and in terms of the laws of physics, its not supposed to be able to fly. If
you
look at the shape of the body and the wings, its not supposed to be able to fly and yet it
CAPEHART: And so - and how does that translate to you and your trajectory?
AG LYNCH: There are so many times - not just for me, but for everyone - where youre going
through life and you have goals, and pe ople will look at you and make a decision, like, you cant
do that, or you shouldnt be doing that, or is it the place for you? And whether its because Im
African-American, or a woman, or Southern - you know, there are all kinds of issues that people
face. And so, to be able to say back - to wear a symbol that says, I may not look like I can do
CAPEHART: Im going to go get myself a bumblebee head. Alright, now, we really do only
have a couple of minutes left, and this is where I get to have some fun. So, whats guaranteed to
get you on the dance floor? Taylor Swifts Shake it Off - wait, two more. Bruno Mars
Uptown Funk -
AG LYNCH: I gotta tell you - I gotta go old school with Earth, Wind and Fire.
CAPEHART: Somehow I knew youd say that. Because Id be out there with you, because I
mean - as soon as you hear the drums in the beginning...anyway. So you were a U.S. Attorney in
New York City. Did you ever find yourself at home, on a rainy, snowy night, pint of ice cream,
out?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs] Actually, the benefit of being a prosecutor in New York City is that a
lot of cases from New York make their way into shows like Law and Order. So a number of
us would have a lot of fun watching the show and figuring out where they had drawn some
inspiration from. And since a young woman that I used to work with in the U.S. Attorneys
Office at one point in time was a writer on that show, I always felt I had the inside knowledge of
what cases she was talking about. And I just wanted to know who was going to play me, that
CAPEHART: Well, speaking of, who would you like to play you in the movie or the Lifetime
AG LYNCH: Gosh, I have no idea. I have no idea - Im drawing a blank. There are so many
wonderfully talented black actresses out there who could hopefully portray what Ive always felt
to be my strong desire to make sure that justice is open for everyone. So anyone who could do
that, and I think - frankly, weve got such talent out in Hollywood now. One of the things that I
think is great, again, about how our societys changing and opening up, is the recognition of
black talent in the entertainment industry, the recognition in front of the camera, behind the
CAPEHART: Loretta Lynch, 83rd Attorney General of the United States, thank you very much.
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Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
Whenever the whole thing is done should work. OLA is requesting (see below) and its not very specific,
Yes!
When you have the final transcript of her speech, would you mind sending it to me so I can forward to
OLA? Gracias!
Thanks all.
Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
(202) 305-8035
Alicia.C.OBrien@usdoj.gov
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Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
JONATHAN CAPEHART: By the way, Im Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and a
MSNBC contributor. Thank you for being here this morning. AG , thank you for being here. As
Walter said, you have a reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost, solid judgment, so
when people heard what went down in Phoenix, a lot of people were like, I mean, friends,
supporters, backers, saying, what on earth was she thinking? Talking to Bill Clinton? So what on
AG LYNCH: Well, I think that's the question of the day, isn't it. I think it's a perfectly
reasonable question, I think that's the question that is called by what happened in Phoenix
because people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution
of matters involving the investigation into the State Department e-mails. And to the extent that
people have questions about that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with him raises
questions and concerns, and so believe me, I completely get that question. And I think it is the
question of the day. I think the issue is, again, what is my role in how that matter is going to be
resolved? And so, let me be clear on how that is going to be resolved. I have gotten that question
a lot over time and we usually dont go into those deliberations, but I do think it is important that
people see what that process is like, as I have always indicated, the matter is being handled by
career agents and investigators, with the Department of Justice , theyve had it since the
beginning.
AG LYNCH: It predates my tenure as AG . It is the same team and they are acting
independently. They follow the law, they follow the facts. That team will make findings, that is
to say they will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will
make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. The recommendations will
be reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI and by the FBI
Director, and then, as is the common process, they will present it to me and I fully expect to
CAPEHART: N ow, w hats interesting here is you say you fully expect to accept their
recommendations, one thing people were saying this morning when the news broke was that you
were , quote recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination , is that
AG LYNCH: Well, a recusal would mean that I wouldn't even be briefed on what the findings
were or what the actions going forward would be. And while I dont have a role in those findings
in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move forward, I
CAPEHART: And when you sayagain, this must be the journalist in me or the linguist in me,
accepting to me would mean; Here Madam AG , here are our findings and you accept them
whole heartedly and issue them to the public, or you accept them and look them over and then
make your own determination as to what the final determination will be.
recommendations or report or whatever format the team puts it together, that has not been
resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their invest igation, there
will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened or occurred and it
will be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed.
CAPEHART: And when you say there will be a review, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
AG LYNCH : Im talking about the initial process of how this case will be resolved. This case
will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the beginning. Supervisors always
review matters, in this case that review will be career people in the Department of Justice, and
also the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director and that will be the finalization
of not just the factual findings but the next steps in this matter.
CAPEHART: And I find it interesting, several times you have made a point of saying career
prosecutors, career officials within the justice department. W hy are you making that very hard
AG LYNCH: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months,
frankly, about my role in this investigation and what it would likely be, was a question or a
concern about whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding
how to investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going
forward? And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independent. They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts
and follow the law, and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps
should be. But, you know, in my role as AG , there are cases that come up to me, I am informed
of them from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention. I'll be
informed of those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I will be
CAPEHART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you're talking about right now was already being
considered, and so the question is before President Clinton boarded your plane in Arizona, had
you already made the determination that what you're announcing today was indeed what you
AG LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part
on occasions as to why we don't talking about ongoing investigations in terms of what's being
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
also dont typically talk about the process by which we make decisions, and Ive provided that
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feel.
been, and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was always going to be. I think people
need the information about exactly how that resolution will come about in order to know what
that means, and really accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of
Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the what were you thinking question. But let me
put a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington
for a while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts of reasons,
but its very fast. You're on your plane and in walks the former president of the United States,
AG LYNCH : Well, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello and I
congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that led to a conversation about
those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a conversation about his travels and he
told me what he had been doing in Phoenix and various things, and then we spoke about former
AG Janet Reno, but it really was a social meeting. And it really was in that regard. He spoke to
me, and he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane, a nd we moved on. And as Ive said
before though, I do think that no matter how I viewed it, I understand how people view it. And I
think that because of that and because of the fact that it has now cast a shadow over how this
case may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved, it's important to talk about how it will be
resolved. It's important to make it clear that that meeting with President Clinton does not have a
bearing on how this matter is going to be reviewed, resolved and accepted by me. Because that
is the question that it raises. So again, no matter how I viewed the meeting, what's important to
me is how people view the Department of Justice because of that meeting. How do people view
the team that has worked on this from the beginning, because of this meeting? How do people
view the work that we do everyday on behalf of the American people, which we strive to do with
integrity and independence. So thats the question for me, and that's why I felt it was important
to talk about what impact that meeting would have on the case.
CAPEHART: Now, youve known President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who
nominated you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm
wondering - you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing
professional relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, Um, get off my plane.
what are you doing here? Do you regret not telling the former President of the United States to
AG LYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but the issue is how does it
impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice does. I certainly wouldn't
do it again. Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not
touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this matter will be resolved, and
how the review and how the determinations and the decisions will be made. I can say, as I have
said, it's going to be handled by career people and then we can make an announcement as to what
it is. But unless people have some insight into that process, they're not going to be able to
evaluate that. The most important thing for me as an AG is the integrity of the Department of
Justice. The fact that the meeting that I had is now casting a shadow over how people are going
important to provide as much information as we can so that people can have a full view of how
we do our work and why we do our work and how this case is going to be resolved as well as
CAPEHART: And so of course, whats happened as a result of this, people who are out there in
the world are saying, See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us.
And you just said that this whole incident has been painful, is one of the words, one of the
words you used. W hat would you say to the American people who might -- who believe that,
AG LYNCH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have questions about how we
in government do our business and how we handle business and how we handle matters and I
think that, again, I understand that my meeting on the plane with former President Clinton could
give them another reason to have questions and concerns also. And that is something that -- and
that's why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the Department of Justice is
important. And what I would say to people is to look at the work that we do. Look at the
matters that we work on every day, whether they involve a high profile matter, or a matter where
you have never heard of the person. Look at the victims that we deal with every day, look at the
people that we protect every day because that's our mission. And to the extent that this issue has
overshadowed that mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I think it's important that we
provide as much information as we can so people can have faith and confidence in the work of
the department and the work of the people who carry on this work every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
AG LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually don t know that. Because again, I don t have
that insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this point in time. They re
working on it. Theyre working on it very hard. They re working on it to be sure that they re
thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that theyve looked at every
issue. They re doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do every single day,
and I could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to present that work
to the American people when this matter is resolved, and we can let people know the outcome of
this investigation.
CAPEHART: Moving on. So. Keep in mind, this sitdown has been on the books for several
several weeks, a few months. And we were here because you were going to talk about criminal
justice reform.
AG LYNCH: Yes.
CAPEHART: Youve been out west and making your way back east, going to various
communities, talking about some of the findings and things that people are doing vis-a-vis the
from a commision member, Susan Lee Rahr - shes executive director of the Washington State
Criminal Justice Training Commision. And she wrote , In 2012, we began asking the question,
why are we training police officers like soldiers? Although police officers wear uniforms and
carry weapons, the similarity ends there. The missions and rules of engagement are completely
different. The soldiers mission is that of a warrior - to conquer; the rules of engagement are
decided before the battle. The police officers mission is that of a guardian - to protect; the rules
of engagement evolve as the incident unfolds. How did we get from police being guardians who
protect to what many of you - as police being basically a domestic military force occupying
neighborhoods?
AG LYNCH: You know, I think its going to be different in every community, but its been one
of the underlying concerns that Ive heard as Ive traveled the country on my Community
Policing Tour - is community residents who say, we dont have a connection with our local
police force. They simply patrol, and they dont connect with us. And so my goal, on the tour
that I just finished, both in 2015 and 2016, was to find those communities where communities
and law enforcement were working together, and were making positive change, and were
working on the format where the police are, in fact, the guardians of the community. I think
theres a whole host of reasons for why training went one way. I mean certainly, we were
talking, at some point and time several years back, about a huge influx of narcotics in our
communities. And that has certainly led to a host of consequences that we are trying now to
alleviate with criminal justice reform and sentencing reform. But it also led to a view that
aggressive policing was really necessary in order to deal with not just narcotics, but also the
violent crime that often comes along with it. And there are those who said the pendulum swung
too far in that direction, so I think we find ourselves now in a situation where - to say that there
is, sort of, a frayed relationship of trust between law enforcement and many communities,
particularly minority communities, is the understatement of this generation. So what Ive been
working on - and this is one, in fact, one of my priorities, is looking at communities that have
had that frayed relationship, that have had things break down, that have had the violence of
Baltimore, or a terrible incident involving someone losing their life at the hands of a police
officer, or even a Department of Justice (DO J) case against them - and looking at how they are a
couple of years after that. Have they managed to use the tools that we tried to provide to them,
and in fact create a positive working relationship between law enforcement and the
community. And I actually have been very heartened by what Ive seen across the country.
CAPEHART: I was going to ask you - how have police departments been - how receptive have
they been to these recommendations, particularly the one that says that police departments need
to own their past, need to own the conflict that theyve generated, that has generated the distrust
between the law enforcement and the community. How are police departments responding to
AG LYNCH: Yes, thats an excellent point because I often talk to community members who
will say, you know, things are great with this police chief, were actually making very positive
strides. But community members will say, but you know, five years ago this incident happened
to me, or even 10 years ago, I saw this happen to my older sibling or parent. And that remains in
I visited - I was actually in Los Angeles just yesterday, and I also went to Miami, and I was in
Portland. And I was visiting those jurisdictions because they actually were still in the middle of
resolving problems. I mean, the Los Angeles Police Departments history, I think, is well
documented, and the issues that they had. They were under a consent decree in the
2000s. Theyve come out of that now, but I think certainly residents still recall those days. And
so I was very heartened to see in my discussions, both with police leadership and community
members, that no one was ignoring the past, that people are saying, you know, we have to own
the past, and we have to acknowledge that we have contributed. We, law enforcement, have
responsibility, there wont be trust in the new either regime or policies going forward.
CAPEHART: Now a few years ago, FBI director James C omey delivered on race - a pretty
spectacular speech on race - where he talked about how law enforcement needed to own its
past. One of the things - another thing that Director C omey has said on multiple occasions is that
he believes there is a so- called Ferguson Effect on law enforcement jurisdictions. Do you
agree with him? Is there a Ferguson Effect, it meaning that as a result of what happened in
Ferguson and Charleston where people are videotaping what police officers - what law
enforcement actions - that police officers are now wary to actually do their jobs, for lack of a
better description - but to patrol neighborhoods and to continue to make them safe. And thats
AG LYNCH: Well the FBI director has spoken about that, and hes spoken about it in the
context that people have relayed to him. And so, you know, hes spoken about it in that
context. I have not seen that. And in fact, we had a recent DO J study, and the conclusion was:
we need more information, as most studies are. But I think - and thats statistics for you - but I
think what Ive seen, you know, as Ive talked to police departments across the country and
community members across the country is a lot of change in law enforcement. A lot of change at
the level of training, a lot of change in the community involvement, a movement away from
understand people and their problems. And certainly I think it is the hope of all of us in law
enforcement that that will lead to not only a reduction in crime, but it certainly could lead to a
reduction in the number of arrests. I have not seen police officers shirking their
responsibilities. I have not seen police officers backing away from the hard issues that come
from patrolling very difficult and often very dangerous communities. Ive seen them moving
towards that. Ive seen them come to the Department of Justice and say, you know, I have a use
come to the department and say I want to set up a community board - do you have some
examples that I can look at so that I dont have a situation like Ive seen in other police
departments. So Ive seen a lot of positive action from both community members and law
AG LYNCH: Yes.
AG LYNCH: Well I was in Los Angeles, but I met with the team of agents, investigators,
police officers and lawyers who had worked on the San Bernardino investigation and are
CAPEHART: And as we recall, that was December, mass shooting, 14 people were killed. And
there are a couple of currents in that shooting - also if you tie in Orlando and what happened last
month, where 49 people were killed - youve got folks who have high capacity weapons to kill
lots of people, but you also have people who, from reports, are inspired by ISIS. So can you talk
about the challenge that those twin things cause for you and the department? Mass shootings but
also terrorism.
AG LYNCH: Yes, yes. Well you know the challenge is something that weve been talking
about for some time now as weve looked at how the threat to our homeland has changed and
morphed over the years since 9/11. Obviously, we still are looking at investigating the
orchestrated attacks like that, but what we are seeing now are more of the homegrown
extremists, those individuals often who were born here, who become radicalized - usually online
- and act out that radical ideology. The challenge is not only finding those individuals,
investigating and preventing their actions; we also have a dual challenge of how do we break that
chain of the violent ideology that people consume online? The Internet is free and open, and it
should remain free and open, but it is the place that many people go and find information that
dates back years. And youll see the tracking of - in many of the investigations that we have of
people who start out looking at Al Qaeda types of videos and documentaries move into ISIS
supported ideology and videos as well. How do we reach those individuals and either give them
an alternative reason for their thought processes or break that chain of violent ideology? So
CAPEHART: Alright. So Im looking at the clock. Weve got less than seven minutes left, so
Ive got lots of stuff to cram in here. So on May 9, you announced that the Justice Department
was suing North Carolina for its so- called Bathroom Bill. And at one point, a very powerful
moment in your remarks, you directed them directly to the transgender community. And I won t
read the entire quote, but one piece of it jumped out at me, and that was when you said that, we
see you to transgender Americans. W hy did you feel it was important to say those words to that
AG LYNCH: Because when we talk about different groups in this country who are victimized
and who are marginalized, the way in which it often happens is people are made to feel or to be
invisible. Because if someone is invisible, you dont have to look a their concerns or the ir
issues. If theyre invisible, you dont have to hear about the problems that they have. And I
think this is a time of great social change in this country - I think for the good, I think for the
better. I think were moving towards what Dr. King called the Beloved Community. But with
change often comes a lot of uncertainty and fear on the part of other people, who find it
challenging to say the least. And I think there is often a desire to deal with someone or some
issue that you find different by shoving it out of sight. And if we are really going to have the
comes here and lives here, in this country, then everyone deserves the right to stand in the
light. It has been my concern - also, with respect to the Orlando shooting, that members of the
LGBT community may feel that its safe for me if I dont come out. Maybe its safer for me if I
stay in the shadows. Thats not the country we live in. Its not the America weve chosen over
200 years ago, its not the one that any of us want. And so everyone deserves to stand in the
light and to truly be seen for who they are. Thats what diversity is, and to me, thats what
America is.
CAPEHART: What did Eric Holder tell you about this job?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs]
CAPEHART: Whats the one thing you wish he had told you?
CAPEHART : [Laughs] Good answer. So I understand that every AG leaves a letter for his or
her successor. What did AG Holder leave for you? What did he say in his letter?
AG LYNCH: - so I wont go into the exact letter. But what I will say is that AG Holder has
been a friend for some time and Ive had the privilege of working with him, both as U.S.
Attorney in two separate administrations, and working with him as AG was a privilege. And he
has always been supportive, he has always talked to me about the privilege of being AG and the
privilege of serving the American people, and working to ensure that in every way in which the
Department of Justice works, that the highest standards of integrity are upheld. Thats something
thats been a part of my career since I joined the department. And he has always been that voice
AG LYNCH: You know, Im not sure how you separate the two for me. [Laughs] You know, I
think that - for me, this is the greatest job that Ive had. And its such a tremendous privilege to
sit in that chair, and to try to do justice and try to do the right thing every day. And so I approach
it from that perspective. I think if people want to look at it and say, Do I want to make a
decision based on my background in some way - I think all of us are a combination of all of our
experiences. And I think that I look back on my experiences growing up in the South and what
my parents went through, and how important it was for them to stand up for equal rights, and
how important it was for them to make it clear that everyone has a place in society. And I look
back on my years as a prosecutor, and my years of dealing with victims who often feel like
theres no one to speak for them, and I think of how important it is that everyone know that the
in me as I do this job.
CAPEHART: Well, you know, its interesting - for general perception, you know, as a woman
and as a woman of color - youre supposed to be a lefty, and youre supposed to be someone
whos actually a defense person, not a prosecutor. How did you gravitate towards being a
prosecutor?
AG LYNCH: For me, the prosecutors role is the protector of people. And Ive always felt that
there are many communities out there, and many of them are minority communities, who either
feel rightly - and sometimes rightly - that they dont get the full benefit of the protection of the
law. That maybe crime in a certain neighborhood isnt always as aggressively pursued as in
others. And it was very important to me to be part of a system that protected everyone equally
and fairly. So I view it as very, very important to me, that we take this - that I take this job as
one as extending the protections of law enforcement to everyone that deserves it.
CAPEHART: Now if I remember correctly, you became interested in the law because you
watched your grandfather - you went with him to go to court to watch people - he defended them
in some way - you talk about your grandfather, and how he basically helped people get over the
AG LYNCH: This was the story that actually - this is a story that my father told me, because
my grandfather passed away when I was very young. And my grandfather grew up in eastern
AG LYNCH: He was from a small town called Oak City, North Carolina.
CAPEHART: Im going to have to look that up, my familys from [town], North
AG LYNCH: Yes. And my grandfather was a minister, but he was also a sharecropper, which
meant he didnt actually own the farms that he worked on, they were owned by other
people. And he and his sons, including my father and his brothers, worked those fields for
pay. But he had a very strong sense of justice. And in the 1930s in North Carolina, when my
dad was very, very young - were talking about a time before Miranda warnings, before the
guarantee of the right to counsel, before so many of the things that we take for granted in our
criminal justice system now that are guaranteed to us in our Constitution - and so many times
when people found themselves, as my grandfather used to say, in the clutches of the law, unfairly
so, they would come to him for help. And because they did not have the view that there could be
fairness in their procedure, they would literally leave town, and my grandfather would hide them
until they could in fact move away. And my father has told me a story of being at home and the
sheriff coming by and talking to my grandfather and asking has he seen a particular person, Do
you know where so-and- so is? And the person might actually be hiding under the floorboards,
younger, I always thought about that story - how does my grandfather, who was a very moral
man, how do you reconcile that with what he was doing? And for him it was the concept of
justice, and so justice - justice is a process. You know, we like to think of it as a verdict, or a
decision - that if in fact you are pulled into the criminal justice system, you do have
protections. And you will be held accountable for what you have done - I firmly believe that, I
am a prosecutor - but it will happen in a way that is consistent with the ideals of this country, and
not the kind of justice that would be found in the dark of a dirt road at night in the 1930s in N orth
Carolina.
CAPEHART: So of course, in preparing for this I reached out to lots of people to get a sense of
you. And I got a terrific question to ask you, and that is - and I notice youre not wearing it, but
AG LYNCH: A bumblebee.
AG LYNCH: Well, the bumblebee is the insect that sort of keeps our planet alive with its work,
but anatomically, and in terms of the laws of physics, its not supposed to be able to fly. If
you
look at the shape of the body and the wings, its not supposed to be able to fly and yet it
CAPEHART: And so - and how does that translate to you and your trajectory?
AG LYNCH: There are so many times - not just for me, but for everyone - where youre going
through life and you have goals, and pe ople will look at you and make a decision, like, you cant
do that, or you shouldnt be doing that, or is it the place for you? And whether its because Im
African-American, or a woman, or Southern - you know, there are all kinds of issues that people
face. And so, to be able to say back - to wear a symbol that says, I may not look like I can do
CAPEHART: Im going to go get myself a bumblebee head. Alright, now, we really do only
have a couple of minutes left, and this is where I get to have some fun. So, whats guaranteed to
get you on the dance floor? Taylor Swifts Shake it Off - wait, two more. Bruno Mars
Uptown Funk -
AG LYNCH: I gotta tell you - I gotta go old school with Earth, Wind and Fire.
CAPEHART: Somehow I knew youd say that. Because Id be out there with you, because I
mean - as soon as you hear the drums in the beginning...anyway. So you were a U.S. Attorney in
New York City. Did you ever find yourself at home, on a rainy, snowy night, pint of ice cream,
out?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs] Actually, the benefit of being a prosecutor in New York City is that a
lot of cases from New York make their way into shows like Law and Order. So a number of
us would have a lot of fun watching the show and figuring out where they had drawn some
inspiration from. And since a young woman that I used to work with in the U.S. Attorneys
Office at one point in time was a writer on that show, I always felt I had the inside knowledge of
what cases she was talking about. And I just wanted to know who was going to play me, that
CAPEHART: Well, speaking of, who would you like to play you in the movie or the Lifetime
AG LYNCH: Gosh, I have no idea. I have no idea - Im drawing a blank. There are so many
wonderfully talented black actresses out there who could hopefully portray what Ive always felt
to be my strong desire to make sure that justice is open for everyone. So anyone who could do
that, and I think - frankly, weve got such talent out in Hollywood now. One of the things that I
think is great, again, about how our societys changing and opening up, is the recognition of
black talent in the entertainment industry, the recognition in front of the camera, behind the
CAPEHART: Loretta Lynch, 83rd Attorney General of the United States, thank you very much.
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On Jul 1, 2016, at 4:16 PM, James, Kelli D. (OPA} <kjames@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
JONATHAN CAPEHART: By the way, rm Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and a
MSNBC contnbutor_ Thank you for being here this morning. AG , thank you for being here. As
Walter said, you have a reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost. solid judgment, so when
people heard what went down in Phoenix, a lot of people were like, I mean, friends, supporters,
backers, saying, what on earth was she thinking? Talking to Bill Clinton? So what on earth were
you thinking? \Vhat happened?
AG LYNCH: Well, I think that's the question of the day, isn't it_I think it's a perfectly
reasonable question, I think that's the question that is called by what happened in Phoenix because
people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution of
matters involving the investigation into the State Department e-mails. And to the extent that people
have questions about that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with him raises questions
and concerns, and so believe me, I completely get that question. And I think it is the question of
the day_ I think the issue is, again, what is my role in how that matter is going to be resolved? And
so,. let me be dear on how that is going to be resolved. I have gotten that question a lot over time
and we usually don't go into those deliberations, but I do think it is important that people see what
that process is like, as I have always indicated, the matter is being handled by career agents and
investigators, with the Department ofJustice, they've had it since the beginning.
AG LYNCH: It predates my tenure as AG . It is the same team and they are acting
independently_ They follow the law, they follow the facts. That team will make findings, that is to
say they will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will make
recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. The recommendations will be
reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI and by the FBI
Director. and then, as is the common process, they will present it to me and I fully expect to
accept the recommendations_
AGL\~CH : Well, a recusal would mean that I wouldn't even be briefed on what the findings
were or what the actions going forward would be. And while I don' t have a role in those findings
in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move fonvard, I
will be briefed on it and I will be accepting their recommendations.
CAPE HART: And when you say ... again, this must be the journalist in me or the linguist in me,
accepting to me would mean; "Here :Madam AG , here are our findings and you accept them
whole heartedly and issue them to the public, or you accept them and look them over and then
make your own detennination as to what the final determination will be.
AG LYNCH: No, the final determination as to how to proceed will be contained within the
recommendations or r eport or whatever format the team puts it together, that has not been
resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their investigation, there
will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened or occurred and it will
be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed
CAPEHART: And when you say there 'vill be a r~iew, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
process of the review getting to that point?
AG LYl\CH: rm talking about the initial process of how this case will be resolved This case
will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the beginning. Supervisors always
review matters, in this case that review will be career people in the Department of Justice, and also
the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director and that will be the finalization of not
just the factual findings but the next steps in this m atter.
CAPEHART: And I find it interesting, several times you have made a point of saying career
p rosecutors, career officials within the justice department. Why are you making that very hard
distinction, that description?
AG LYJ\Cll.: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months,
frankly, about my r ole in this investigation and what it would likely be. was a question or a concern
about whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding how to
investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going forward?
And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independenL They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts and
follow the law. and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps should
be. But, you know, in my role as AG . there are cases that come up to me, I am informed of them
from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention.. I'll be informed of
those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I will be accepting
their recommendations and their plans for going forward
CAPE HART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you'r e talking about right now was already being considered,
AG LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part
ifs because, as I'm sure you know as a journalist, I do get this question a lot. And as I have said
on occasions as to why we don't talking about ongoing investigations in tenns of what's being
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
also don' t typically talk about the process by which we make decisions, and I've provided that
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feeL
And I feel that while I can certainly say, this will be handled like any other, as it has always been,
and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was ahvays going to be. I think people need the
information about exactly how that resolution will come about in order to know what that means,
and realty accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the "what were you thinking" question. But let me put
a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington for a
while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts ofreasons., but it' s
very fast You're on your plane and in walks the former president of the United States, what were
you thinking at that moment?
AG LYNCH: \Veil, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello and 1
congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that led to a conversation about
those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a conversation about his travels and be
told me what he bad been doing in Phoenix and various things, and then we spoke about former
AG Jan.e t Reno, but it really was a social meeting. And it really was in that regard He spoke to
me, and he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane, and we moved on. And as r ve said
before though, I do think that no matter how I viewed it, I understand how people view it. And I
think that because of that and because of the fact that it has now cast a shadow over how this case
may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved, it's important to talk about how it i.vill be resolved
It's important to make it dear that that meeting with President Clinton does not have a bearing on
how this matter is going to be reviewed, resolved and accepted by me. Because that is the
question that it raises. So again, no matter how I viewed the meeting, what's important to me is
how people view the Department of Justice because of that meeting. How do people view the
team that has worked on this from the beginning, because of this meeting? How do people view
the work that we do everyday on behalf of the American people, which we strive to do with
integrity and independence. So that' s. the question for me, and that's why I felt it was important to
talk about what impact that meeting would have on the case.
CAPEHART: Now, you've knO\vn President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who nominated
you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm wondering -
you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing professional
relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, "Um, get off my plane. what are you
doing hereT Do you regret not telling the former President of the United States to leave the
premises?
AGLYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but th.e issue is how does it
impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice does. I certainly wouldn't
do it again_ Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not
touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this matter will be resolved, and
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the world are saying, "See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us."'
And you just said that this whole incident has been '"'painful,"' is one of the words, one of the words
you used. What would you say to the Anierican people who might -- who believe that, yes,
indeed, this is an example of Washington rigged against them?
AG LYI'\CH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have questions about how we in
government do our business and how we handle business and how we handle matters and I think
that, again, I W'lderstand that my meeting on the plane \vith former President Clinton could give
them another reason to have questions and concerns also. And that is something that - - and that's
why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the Department of Justice is important And
what I would say to people is to look at the work that we do. Look at the matters that we work
on every day, whether they involve a high profile matter, or a matter where you have never heard
of the person. Look at the victims that we deal \vith every day, look at the people that we protect
every day because that's our mission. ,.<\nd to the extent that this issue has overshadowed that
mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I think it's important that we provide as much
information as we can so people can have faith and confidence in the work of the department and
the work of the people who carry on this work every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
findings and determinations? Are we looking at weeks, months, days?
AG LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually don' t know that. Because again, I don' t have that
insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this point in time. They're
working on it. They' re working on it very hard They' re working on it to be sure that they' re
thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that they' ve looked at every
issue. They're doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do every single day,
and I could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to present that work
to the Anierican people when this matter is resolved. and we can let people know the outcome of
this investigation.
CAPEHART: ~oving on. So. Keep in mind. this sitdown has been on the books for several
several weeks, a few months. And we were here because you were going to talk about criminal
justice reform.
AG LYl'CH: Yes.
CAPEHART: You've been out west and malcing your way back east, going to various
communities, talking about some of the findings and things that people are doing vis-a-vis the
AG LYl'CH: You know, I think ifs going to be different in every community, but it's been one
of the underlying concerns that I've heard as I've traveled the country on my Community Policing
Tour - is community residents who say, we don' t have a connection with our local police
force_ They simply patrol, and they don' t connect with us_ And so my goal, on the tour that I just
finished, both in 2015 and 2016, was to find those communities where communities and law
enforcement were working together, and were making positive change, and were working on the
format where the police are, in fact. the guardians of the community. I think: there's a whole host
of reasons for why training went one way_ I mean certainly, we were talking, at some point and
time several years back, about a huge influx of narcotics in our communities. And that has
certainly led to a host of consequences that we are trying now to alleviate with criminal justice
reform and sentencing reform. But it also led to a 'iew that aggressive policing \Yas really
necessary in order to deal \vith not just narcotics, but also the violent crime that often comes along
with it. And there are those who said the penduhnn s\vung too far in that direction. so I think we
find ourselves now in a situation where - to say that there is, sort o( a frayed relationship of trust
between law enforcement and many communities, particularly minority communities. is the
understatement of this generation.. So what I've been working on - and this is one, in fact, one of
my priorities, is looking at communities that have had that frayed relationship, that have had things
break down. that have had the violence of Baltimore, or a temble incident involving someone
losing their life at the hands of a police officer, or even a Department of Justice (DOJ) case against
them - and looklng at how they are a couple of years after that. Have they managed to use the
tools that we tried to provide to them, and in fact create a positive working relationship between
law enforcement and the community_ And I actually have been very heartened by what I've seen
across the country.
CAPEHART: I was going to ask you - how have police departments been - how receptive have
they been to these recommendations, particularly the one that says that police departments need to
own their past, need to own the conflict that they've generated, that has generated the distrust
between the law enforcement and the conummity. How are police departments responding to
that? Owning their responsibility?
AG L \ 'l'iCH: Yes, that' s an excellent point because I often talk to community members who will
say, you know, things are great with this police chief, we're actually making very positive
strides. But community members will say, but you know, five years ago this incident happened to
me, or even 10 years ago, I saw this happen to my older sibling or parent And that remains in
people's consciousness and affects how they interact \vith the police_ Couple of the jurisdictions I
visited - I was actually in Los Angeles just yesterday, and I also went to ~. and I was in
Portland And I was visiting those jurisdictions because they actually were still in the middle of
resolving problems_ I mean, the Los Angeles Police Department's history, I think, is well
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CAPEHART: Now a few years ago, FBI director James Gomey delivered on race - a pretty
spectacular speech on race - where he talked about how law enforcement needed to own its
past One of the things - another thing that Director Gomey has said on multiple occasions is that
he believes there is a so-called "Ferguson Effect" on law enforcement jurisdictions_ Do you agree
\vith him? Is there a ti erguson Effect," it meaning that as a result of what happened in Ferguson
and Charles.ton where people are videotaping what police officers - what law enforcement
actions - that police officers are now w ary to actually do their jobs, for lack of a better
description - but to patrol neighborhoods and to continue to make them safe. And that's resulted
in a spike in crime.
AG LYNCH : Well the FBI director has spoken about that, and he' s spoken about it in the
context that people have relayed to him. And so, you know, he' s spoken about it in that
context I have not seen that. And in fact, we had a recent DOJ study, and the conclusion was:
we need more information, as most studies are. But I think - and that' s statistics for you - but I
think what I've seen, you know, as I've talked to police departments across the country and
community members across the country is a lot of change in law enforcemenL A lot of change at
the level of training, a lot of change in the community involvement, a movement away from over-
policing, a movement towards getting to know members of the community, getting to understand
people and their problems. And certainly I think it is the hope of all of us in law enforcement that
that will lead to not only a reduction in crime, but it certainly could lead to a reduction :in the
nmnber of arrests. I have not seen police officers shirking their responsibilities. I have not seen
police officers backing away from the hard issues that come from patrolling very difficult and often
very dangerous comnnmities. I've seen them moving towards that_ I've seen them come to the
Department of Justice and say, you know, I have a use of force policy that' s really old - can you
help me make sure mine is up to date? I've seen them come to the department and say I want to
set up a community board - do you have some examples that I can look at so that I don' t have a
situation like I've seen in other police departments. So I've seen a lot of positive action from both
community members and law enforcement in this regard
AG LYNCH: Yes.
AG LYNCH: Well I was in Los Angeles, but I met \vith the team of agents, investigators, police
officers and lawyers who had worked on the San Bernardino investigation and are continuing to
work on it_
CAPEHART: And as we recall, that was December, mass shooting, 14 people were killed. And
there are a couple of currents in that shooting - also if you tie in Orlando and what happened last
month, where 49 people were killed - you've got folks who have high capacity weapons to kill
AG LYNCH: Yes, yes. Well you know the challenge is something that we've been talking about
for some time now as we' ve looked at how the threat to our homeland has changed and morphed
over the years since 9/11. Obviously, we still are looking at investigating the orchestrated attacks
like that, but what we are seeing now are more of the homegrown extremists, those individuals
often who were born here, who become radicalized - usually online - and act out that radical
ideology. The challenge is not only finding those individuals, investigating and preventing their
actions~ we also ha\re a dual challenge of how do we break that chain of the violent ideology that
people consume online? The Internet is free and open, and it should remain free and open, but it
is the place that many people go and find information that dates back years. And you' ll see the
tracking of - in many of the investigations that w e have of people who start out looking at Al
Qaeda types of videos and documentaries move into ISIS supported ideology and videos as
well. How do we reach those incfu~duals and either give them an alternative reason for their
thought processes or break that chain of violent ideology? So those are the twin challenges that
we face.
CAPEHART: Alright. So rm looking at the clock. \Ve' ve got less than seven minutes left, so
rve got lots of stuff to cram in here. So on :Yray 9, you announced that the Justice Department
was suing North Carolina for its so-called ..Bathroom Bili. And at one point. a very powerful
moment in your remarks, you directed them directly to the transgender community. And I won' t
read the entire quote, but one piece of it jumped out at me, and that was when you said that, ' we
see you' to transgender Americans. \Vhy did you feel it was important to say those words to that
community in such a public forum?
AG LYNCH: Because when we talk about different groups in this country who are victimized
and who are marginalized, the way in which it often happens is people are made to feel or to be
invisible. Because if someone is im~ible, you don' t have to look a their concerns or their
issues. If they're inviStble, you don't have to hear about the p r oblems that they have. And I think
this is a time of great social change in this country - I think for the good, I think for the better. I
think we' re moving towards what Dr. 1Gng c.alled the "Beloved Community"'. But \vith change
often comes a lot of uncertainty and fear on the part of other people, who find it challenging to say
the least And I think there is often a desire to deal with someone or some issue that you find
different b y shoving it out of sight. And if we are r eally going to have the open and free society
that is the birthright of every American, that is the right of everyone who comes here and lives
here, in this country, then everyone deserves the right to stand in the light. It has been my
concern - also, with respect to the Orlando shooting, that members of the LGBT comm1mity may
feel that it' s safe for me if I don' t come out. Maybe it' s safer for me if I stay in the
shadows. That's not the country we live in. Ifs not the America we' ve chosen over 200 years
ago, ifs not the one that any of us want. And so everyone deserves to stand in the light and to
truly be seen for who they are. Thafs what diversity is, and to me, thaf s what America is.
CAPER.A.RT: What did Eric Holder tell you about this job?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs)
CAPEHART: What' s the one thing you wish he had told you?
CAPEHART: [Laughs] Good answer. So I understand that every AG leaves a letter for his or
her successor. What did AG Holder leave for you? What did he say in his letter?
AG LYNCH: - so I won' t go into the exact letter. But what I will say is. that AG Holder has
been a friend for some time and rve had the privilege of working with him, both as U.S. Attorney
in two separate administrations, and working 'vith him as AG was a privilege. And he has always
been supportive, he has always talked to me about the privilege of being AG and the privilege of
serving the .American people, and working to ensure that in every way in which the Department of
Justice works, that the highest standards of integrity are upheld. Thaf s something that's been a
part of my career since I joined the department And he has always been that voice of that for me
as well.
AG LYNCH: You know, rm not sure how you separate the two for me. [Laughs] You know, I
think that - for me, this is the greatest job that rve had. And ifs such a tremendous privilege to sit
in that chair. and to try to do justice and try to do the right thing every day. And so I approach.it
from that perspective. I think if people want to look at it and say, "Do I want to make a decision
based 011 my background in some way" - I think all of us are a combination of all of our
experiences. And I think that I look back on my experiences growing up in the South and what
my parents went through, and how important it was for them to stand up for equal rights, and how
important it was for them to make it clear that everyone has a place in society. And I look back
on my years as a prosecutor, and my years of dealing with victims who oftel'l. feel like there s no
one to speak for them, and I think of how important it is that everyone know that the Department
can be a voice for them.
So I think that everything that1 am, and everything that I've done, combines and comes together
in me as I do this job.
CAPEHART: Well you know, ifs interesting - for general perception, you know, as a woman
and as a woman of color - you're supp osed to be a lefty, and you're supposed to be someone
whos actually a defense pers,on, not a prosecutor. How did you gravitate towards being a
prosecutor?
AG LYNCH: For me, the prosecutor' s role is the protector of people. And I've always felt that
there are many communities out there, and many of them are minority communities, who either feel
rightly - and sometimes rightly - that they don't get the full benefit of the protection of the
law. That maybe crime in a certain neighborhood is.n ' t always as aggressively pursued as in
others. And it was very important to me to be part of a system that protected everyone equally
and fairly. So I view it as very, very important to me, that we truce this - that I truce this job as one
as extending the protections oflaw enforcement to everyone that deserves it.
CAPEHART: Now if I remember correctly, you became interested in the law because you
watched your grandfather - you Wel'l.t with him to go to court to watch people - he defended them
in some way - you talk about yow- grandfather, and how he basically helped people get over the
AG LYNCH: 1bis was the story that actually - this is a story that my father told me, because my
grandfather passed away when I was very young. And my grandfather grew up in eastern North
Carolina, and -
CAPEHART: rm going to have to look that up, my family' s :from [town], North Carolina. Small
city. Go on.
AG LYNCH: Yes. And my grandfather was a minister, but he was also a sharecropper, which
meant he dimi''t actually own the fanns that he worked on, they were owned by other
people. And he and his sons, including my father and his brothers, worked those fields for
pay. But he had a very strong sense of justice. And in the 1930s in North Carolina, when my dad
was very, very young - we're talking about a time before Miranda warnings, before the guarantee
of the right to counsel, before so many of the things that we take for granted in our criminal justice
system now that are guaranteed to us in our Constitution - and so many times when people found
themselves, as my grandfather used to say, in the clutches of the law, wifairly so, they would come
to him for help. And because they did not have the view that there could be fairness in their
procedure, they would literally leave town, and my grandfather would hide them until they could in
fact move away. And my father has told me a story of being at home and the sheriff coming by
and tallcing to my grandfather and asking has he seen a particular person, "Do you know where so-
and-so isT And the person might actually be hiding under the floorboards, and my grandfather
would say, 'Well I haven' t seen him lately." And so for me when I was younger, I always thought
about that story - how does my grandfather, who was a very moral man, how do you reconcile
that with what he was doing? And for him it was the concept of justice, and so justice - justice is
a process. You know, we like to think of it as a verdict, or a decision - that if in fact you are
pulled into the criminal justice system, you do have protections. And you will be held accountable
for what you have done - I firmly believe that., I am a prosecutor - but it will happen in a way that
is consistent with the ideals of this country, and not the kind of justice that would be found in the
dark of a dirt road at night in the 1930s in North Carolina.
CAPEHART: So of course, in preparing for this I reached out to lots of people to get a sense of
you. And I got a terrific question to ask you, and that is - and I notice you' re not wearing it, but
:from time to time you wear a chann, a butteriiy charm -
AG LYNCH: A bumblebee.
AG LYNCH: WelL, the bumblebee is the insect that sort of keeps our planet alive with its work,
but anatomically, and in terms of the laws of physics, ifs not supposed to be able to fly. If you
look at the shape of the body and the wings, ifs not supposed to be able to fly and yet it
does. And yet it does.
CAPEHART: And so - and how does that translate to you and your trajectory?
CAPEHART: I'm going to go get myself a bumblebee head_ Ahigbt, now, we really do only
have a couple of minutes left, and this is where I get to have some fun_ So, what' s guaranteed to
get you on the dance floor? Taylor Swift's "Shake it Off' - wait, two more. Bnmo
Mars' "Uptown Funk"' -
AG LYNCH: I gotta tell you - I gotta go old school with Earth, Wind and Fire.
CAPEHART: Somehow I knew you' d say that. Because I'd be out there \vith you, because I
mean - as soon as you hear the drmns in the beginning... anyway. So you were a U.S. Attorney in
l\ew York City. Did you eYer find yourself at home, on a rainy. snowy night, pint of ice cream,
with '1..aw and Order" on, just watching the re-nms, critiquing cases as they came in and came
out?
AG L ~CH: [Laughs] Actually, the benefit of being a prosecutor in New York City is that a lot
of cases from New York make their way into shows like '1..aw and Order."' So a number of us
would have a lot of fim watching the show and figuring out where they had drawn some inspiration
from. And since a young woman that 1 used to work with in the li.S. Attorney' s Office at one
point in time was a writer on that show, I always feh I had the inside knowledge of what cases she
was talking about And I just wanted to know who was going to play me, that was really my only
concern.
CAPEHART: Well, speaking of, who would you like to play you in the movie or the Lifetime
series or N etflix, Amazon Prime -
AG LYNCH: Gosh, I have no idea I have no idea - rm drawing a blank. There are so many
wonderfully talented black actresses out there who could hopefully portray what I've always felt
to be my strong desire to make sure that justice is open for everyone. So anyone who could do
that, and I think - frankly, we've got such talent out in Hollywood now. One of the things that I
think is great, again, about how our society's changing and opening up, is the recognition of black
talent in the entertainment industry, the recognition in front of the camera. behind the camera.
writing. That is something that I am just loving watching.
CAPEHART: Loretta Lynch, 83rd Attorney General of the lJnited States, thank you very much.
I got it on my personal.
> On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO) <rlstewart@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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>Same here !
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> Sent from my iPhone
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On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:06 PM, "James, Kelli 0. (OPA)" <kjames@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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>> Okay! Keep us posted, I'm driving but if something needs done later let me know.
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> On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Juarez, Anthony (OPA) <ajuarez@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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>>> I'm going on my personal computer right now
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>> On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Stewart, Rebecca L. (PAO) <rlstewart@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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>>>>That's true - if not I can try to login on my phone too.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:01 PM, "James, Kelli 0. (OPA)" <kja mes@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
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>>>If your personal laptop is working you can just do it from there and email the final package to
your work email.
>>>>>
>>>>On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Juarez, Anthony (OPA) <ajuarez@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>That should work.
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>>>>>> I' m seeing if it turns on.
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>>>>>>>On Jul 3, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Stewart, Rebecca L (PAO) <rlstewart@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>I don't have my laptop - I can try to pull clips off my phone and send to you to format?
>>>>>>>
CHUCK TODD: To everyone, we may be nearing the final chapter of the Hillary Clinton e-mail
saga. Yesterday the FBI interviewed Hillary Clinton for about three and a half hours at
its headquarters rigbt here in Washington, D.C. about the use of her private e-mail server while
she was Secretary of State. I spoke with the former secretary late yesterday on MSNBC, her
only interview since meeting with the FBI and asked her whether the description of the interview
as civil and business like was accurate.
HILLARY CLINTON: Well, it was both. It was something I had offered to do since last
August. I've been eager to do it. and i was pleased to have the opportunity to assist
the department in bringing its review to a conclusion.
TODD: How did your private server, where you kept this classified information, some of which
was retroactive, understand, after your term as Secretary of State, how was that not a violation
of this code?
CLINTON: I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified and there is a
process for the review of material before it is released to the public and there were decisions
made that material should be classified. I do call that retroactively classifying, so therefore it
would not be publicly released. but that doesn't change the facts as i've explained many times.
TODD: Who advised you that it was perfectly legal for you to have a private server and to
have this information on there as Secretary of State? Who gave that advice?
CLINTON: I'm not going to go into any more detail than i have in public many times, as
you certainly know, out of respect for the process that the department is conducting. So I'm not
going to comment any further on the review, but I've been answering questions now for over a
year. I've released more than 55,000 pages of my e-mails for the public to read for themselves. I
will continue to, you know, be as forthcoming as i can. and my answer that I frrst gave more than
a year ago, I stand by.
TODD: At the same time there was another story that Clinton would love to leave behind,
that tarmac meeting at the Phoenix airport between Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta
Lynch. given Hillary Clinton's e-mail troubles, t!he meeting could be seen by opponents as
a conspiracy. Even supporters criticize the optics. On the MSNBC interview yesterday, I asked
about her reaction to the meeting.
CLINTON: I learned about it in the news. It was a short, chance meeting at an airport tarmac
and both of their planes, as i understand it, were landing on the same tarmac at about the same
AITOR1\~Y GE1'r:ERAL LOREITA LYNCH: [ ... ]Referring to the immigration decision that came down
just a few days ago, because that decision was four-four - the decision doesn' t even place the Fifth Circuit
injunction against - uh - the immigration policies that the president set forth a little over a year and a half ago.
Right now we're still looking at that decision to see legally what the options are -um - so I don't have any
update for you on that right now.
REPORTER :Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former President
Clinton while your agency is m the midclle of an investigation of his wife' s email server?
ATTORl\"E\' GE1'"ER.\L LY1'CH : \Veil, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the other night as I
was landing, he was headed out He did come over and say hello, and speak to my husband and myself, and
talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and thtngs like that. And so that was the extent of that. And no
discussions were held mto any cases or thtngs like that. And he didn' t raise anything - uh- about that.
REPORTER You don' t believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is
investigattng his wife.
ATTORl\"EY GE1'"ERAL LYl'iCH: :My agency is involved in a matter looking at State Department policies
and issues. It' s being hanclled by career mvesti'gators and career agents, who always follow facts and the law,
and do the same thorough and independent examination in this matter that they've done in a1L So that's how
that'll be handled
REPORTER It's ok. I know that you've gotten letters from the state of Louisiana and members of Congress
relating to New Orleans as a sanctuary city. Is it accurate that the Department of Justice instructed New
Orleans not to cooperate on immigration policies?
ATIORNEY GKN"ERAL LYNCH: No, those letters refer to questions in asking us to clarify how the
consent decree that we have with the New Orleans Police Department and how they hanclle people who may
be undocumented, how they intercept with also the enforcement of the immigration laws. And not only are we
preparing a response - om - rve mdicated at a prior hearing - I think a month or so ago - that we do not view
that consent decree as advising the city in any way to disregard or ignore the immigration laws. A.nd as we've
indicated before when it comes to the issue of sanctuary cities - the issue has come up, particnlarly with respect
to when we release individuals from the Bureau of Prisons' custody, and they may have a state detainer or
holder - which happens from time to time - and they also have a deportation order. Traditionally, we work
with our state colleagues and we provide and tum these people over to state custody so that those cases can be
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There have b een instances - and they certainly have been tragic - where those individuals have not been dealt
\Vith in regard to their state cases, and we have not been able to follow through with the imm.igration case. We
recently changed the policy so that where we do have individuals that we are releasing from the Bureau of
Prisons custody, that have an imm.igration detamer on them, we will review those instan<:es first, consult with the
state and ensure that if they are going to go ahead and prosecute the case, we can track and follmv it and make
sure we stay on top of it for that. But there's nothing in the consent decree that mandates or directs the city to
avoid or disregard immigration laws.
KEVIN LEWIS: Thank you so mnch. So we'll see you later today at Summer Night Lights. Have a good
day.
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that came down just a few days ago, because that decision was four-four the decision doesnt
even place the Fifth Circuit injunction against uh the immigration policies that the president
set forth a little over a year and a half ago. Right now were still looking at that decision to see
legally what the options are um so I dont have any update for you on that right now.
REPORTER : Madame Attorney General, so was it appropriate for you to meet with former
President Clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wifes email
server?
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the
other night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to
my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels, and things like
that. And so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things
REPORTER : You dont believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
Department policies and issues. Its being handled by career investigators and career agents,
who always follow facts and the law, and do the same thorough and independent examination in
this matter that they've done in all. So that's how that'll be handled.
REPORTER : Its ok. I know that youve gotten letters from the state of Louisiana and
members of C ongress relating to New Orleans as a sanctuary city. Is it accurate that the
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: No, those letters refer to questions in asking us to clarify
how the consent decree that we have with the New Orleans Police Department and how they
handle people who may be undocumented, how they intercept with also the enforcement of the
immigration laws. And not only are we preparing a response um Ive indicated at a prior
hearing I think a month or so ago - that we do not view that consent decree as advising the city
in any way to disregard or ignore the immigration laws. And as weve indicated before when it
comes to the issue of sanctuary cities the issue has come up, particularly with respect to when
we release individuals from the Bureau of Prisons custody, and they may have a state detainer
or holder which happens from time to time and they also have a deportation
order. Traditionally, we work with our state colleagues and we provide and turn these people
over to state custody so that those cases can be handled, and then the immigration matters will
follow thereafter.
not been dealt with in regard to their state cases, and we have not been able to follow through
with the immigration case. We recently changed the policy so that where we do have individuals
that we are releasing from the Bureau of Prisons custody, that have an immigration detainer on
them, we will review those instances first, consult with the state and ensure that if they are going
to go ahead and prosecute the case, we can track and follow it and make sure we stay on top of it
for that. But theres nothing in the consent decree that mandates or directs the city to avoid or
KEVIN LEWIS : Thank you so much. So well see you later today at Summer Night
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JONATHAN CAPEHART: By the way, Im Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post and a
MSNBC contributor. Thank you for being here this morning. AG , thank you for being here. As
Walter said, you have a reputation of having the highest integrity, utmost, solid judgment, so
when people heard what went down in Phoenix, a lot of people were like, I mean, friends,
supporters, backers, saying, what on earth was she thinking? Talking to Bill Clinton? So what on
AG LYNCH: Well, I think that's the question of the day, isn't it. I think it's a perfectly
reasonable question, I think that's the question that is called by what happened in Phoenix
because people have also wondered and raised questions about my role in the ultimate resolution
of matters involving the investigation into the State Department e-mails. And to the extent that
people have questions about that, about my role in that, certainly my meeting with him raises
questions and concerns, and so believe me, I completely get that question. And I think it is the
question of the day. I think the issue is, again, what is my role in how that matter is going to be
resolved? And so, let me be clear on how that is going to be resolved. I have gotten that question
a lot over time and we usually dont go into those deliberations, but I do think it is important that
people see what that process is like, as I have always indicated, the matter is being handled by
career agents and investigators, with the Department of Justice , theyve had it since the
beginning.
AG LYNCH: It predates my tenure as AG . It is the same team and they are acting
independently. They follow the law, they follow the facts. That team will make findings, that is
to say they will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will
make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. The recommendations will
be reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI and by the FBI
Director, and then, as is the common process, they will present it to me and I fully expect to
CAPEHART: N ow, w hats interesting here is you say you fully expect to accept their
recommendations, one thing people were saying this morning when the news broke was that you
were , quote recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination , is that
AG LYNCH: Well, a recusal would mean that I wouldn't even be briefed on what the findings
were or what the actions going forward would be. And while I dont have a role in those findings
in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move forward, I
CAPEHART: And when you sayagain, this must be the journalist in me or the linguist in me,
accepting to me would mean; Here Madam AG , here are our findings and you accept them
make your own determination as to what the final determination will be.
AG LYNCH: No, the final determination as to how to proceed will be contained within the
recommendations or report or whatever format the team puts it together, that has not been
resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their invest igation, there
will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened or occurred and it
will be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed.
CAPEHART: And when you say there will be a review, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
AG LYNCH : Im talking about the initial process of how this case will be resolved. This case
will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the beginning. Supervisors always
review matters, in this case that review will be career people in the Department of Justice, and
also the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director and that will be the finalization
of not just the factual findings but the next steps in this matter.
CAPEHART: And I find it interesting, several times you have made a point of saying career
prosecutors, career officials within the justice department. W hy are you making that very hard
AG LYNCH: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months,
frankly, about my role in this investigation and what it would likely be, was a question or a
concern about whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding
how to investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going
forward? And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independent. They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts
and follow the law, and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps
should be. But, you know, in my role as AG , there are cases that come up to me, I am informed
of them from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention. I'll be
informed of those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I will be
CAPEHART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you're talking about right now was already being
considered, and so the question is before President Clinton boarded your plane in Arizona, had
you already made the determination that what you're announcing today was indeed what you
AG LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feel.
And I feel that while I can certainly say, this will be handled like any other, as it has always
been, and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was always going to be. I think people
need the information about exactly how that resolution will come about in order to know what
that means, and really accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of
Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the what were you thinking question. But let me
put a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington
for a while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts of reasons,
but its very fast. You're on your plane and in walks the former president of the United States,
AG LYNCH : Well, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello and I
congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that led to a conversation about
those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a conversation about his travels and he
told me what he had been doing in Phoenix and various things, and then we spoke about former
AG Janet Reno, but it really was a social meeting. And it really was in that regard. He spoke to
me, and he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane, a nd we moved on. And as Ive said
before though, I do think that no matter how I viewed it, I understand how people view it. And I
think that because of that and because of the fact that it has now cast a shadow over how this
case may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved, it's important to talk about how it will be
resolved. It's important to make it clear that that meeting with President Clinton does not have a
bearing on how this matter is going to be reviewed, resolved and accepted by me. Because that
is the question that it raises. So again, no matter how I viewed the meeting, what's important to
me is how people view the Department of Justice because of that meeting. How do people view
the team that has worked on this from the beginning, because of this meeting? How do people
view the work that we do everyday on behalf of the American people, which we strive to do with
integrity and independence. So thats the question for me, and that's why I felt it was important
to talk about what impact that meeting would have on the case.
CAPEHART: Now, youve known President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who
nominated you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm
wondering - you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing
professional relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, Um, get off my plane.
what are you doing here? Do you regret not telling the former President of the United States to
AG LYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but the issue is how does it
impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice does. I certainly wouldn't
do it again. Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not
touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this matter will be resolved, and
how the review and how the determinations and the decisions will be made. I can say, as I have
said, it's going to be handled by career people and then we can make an announcement as to what
it is. But unless people have some insight into that process, they're not going to be able to
Justice. The fact that the meeting that I had is now casting a shadow over how people are going
to view that work is something that I take seriously and deeply and painfully. So I think it's
important to provide as much information as we can so that people can have a full view of how
we do our work and why we do our work and how this case is going to be resolved as well as
CAPEHART: And so of course, whats happened as a result of this, people who are out there in
the world are saying, See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us.
And you just said that this whole incident has been painful, is one of the words, one of the
words you used. W hat would you say to the American people who might -- who believe that,
AG LYNCH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have questions about how we
in government do our business and how we handle business and how we handle matters and I
think that, again, I understand that my meeting on the plane with former President Clinton could
give them another reason to have questions and concerns also. And that is something that -- and
that's why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the Department of Justice is
important. And what I would say to people is to look at the work that we do. Look at the
matters that we work on every day, whether they involve a high profile matter, or a matter where
you have never heard of the person. Look at the victims that we deal with every day, look at the
people that we protect every day because that's our mission. And to the extent that this issue has
overshadowed that mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I think it's important that we
provide as much information as we can so people can have faith and confidence in the work of
the department and the work of the people who carry on this work every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
AG LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually don t know that. Because again, I don t have
that insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this point in time. They re
working on it. Theyre working on it very hard. They re working on it to be sure that they re
thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that theyve looked at every
issue. They re doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do every single day,
and I could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to present that work
to the American people when this matter is resolved, and we can let people know the outcome of
this investigation.
CAPEHART: Moving on. So. Keep in mind, this sitdown has been on the books for several
several weeks, a few months. And we were here because you were going to talk about criminal
justice reform.
AG LYNCH: Yes.
communities, talking about some of the findings and things that people are doing vis-a-vis the
presidents Task Force on 21st Century Policing. And in reading the report - I actually read it -
there was a quote in there that I think captures why this commission was important. And it came
from a commision member, Susan Lee Rahr - shes executive director of the Washington State
Criminal Justice Training Commision. And she wrote , In 2012, we began asking the question,
why are we training police officers like soldiers? Although police officers wear uniforms and
carry weapons, the similarity ends there. The missions and rules of engagement are completely
different. The soldiers mission is that of a warrior - to conquer; the rules of engagement are
decided before the battle. The police officers mission is that of a guardian - to protect; the rules
of engagement evolve as the incident unfolds. How did we get from police being guardians who
protect to what many of you - as police being basically a domestic military force occupying
neighborhoods?
AG LYNCH: You know, I think its going to be different in every community, but its been one
of the underlying concerns that Ive heard as Ive traveled the country on my Community
Policing Tour - is community residents who say, we dont have a connection with our local
police force. They simply patrol, and they dont connect with us. And so my goal, on the tour
that I just finished, both in 2015 and 2016, was to find those communities where communities
and law enforcement were working together, and were making positive change, and were
working on the format where the police are, in fact, the guardians of the community. I think
theres a whole host of reasons for why training went one way. I mean certainly, we were
talking, at some point and time several years back, about a huge influx of narcotics in our
communities. And that has certainly led to a host of consequences that we are trying now to
alleviate with criminal justice reform and sentencing reform. But it also led to a view that
aggressive policing was really necessary in order to deal with not just narcotics, but also the
violent crime that often comes along with it. And there are those who said the pendulum swung
too far in that direction, so I think we find ourselves now in a situation where - to say that there
is, sort of, a frayed relationship of trust between law enforcement and many communities,
particularly minority communities, is the understatement of this generation. So what Ive been
working on - and this is one, in fact, one of my priorities, is looking at communities that have
had that frayed relationship, that have had things break down, that have had the violence of
Baltimore, or a terrible incident involving someone losing their life at the hands of a police
officer, or even a Department of Justice (DO J) case against them - and looking at how they are a
couple of years after that. Have they managed to use the tools that we tried to provide to them,
and in fact create a positive working relationship between law enforcement and the
community. And I actually have been very heartened by what Ive seen across the country.
CAPEHART: I was going to ask you - how have police departments been - how receptive have
they been to these recommendations, particularly the one that says that police departments need
to own their past, need to own the conflict that theyve generated, that has generated the distrust
between the law enforcement and the community. How are police departments responding to
AG LYNCH: Yes, thats an excellent point because I often talk to community members who
will say, you know, things are great with this police chief, were actually making very positive
to me, or even 10 years ago, I saw this happen to my older sibling or parent. And that remains in
peoples consciousness and affects how they interact with the police. Couple of the jurisdictions
I visited - I was actually in Los Angeles just yesterday, and I also went to Miami, and I was in
Portland. And I was visiting those jurisdictions because they actually were still in the middle of
resolving problems. I mean, the Los Angeles Police Departments history, I think, is well
documented, and the issues that they had. They were under a consent decree in the
2000s. Theyve come out of that now, but I think certainly residents still recall those days. And
so I was very heartened to see in my discussions, both with police leadership and community
members, that no one was ignoring the past, that people are saying, you know, we have to own
the past, and we have to acknowledge that we have contributed. We, law enforcement, have
contributed to these problems, and heres what we are doing to be accountable, to be transparent,
responsibility, there wont be trust in the new either regime or policies going forward.
CAPEHART: Now a few years ago, FBI director James C omey delivered on race - a pretty
spectacular speech on race - where he talked about how law enforcement needed to own its
past. One of the things - another thing that Director C omey has said on multiple occasions is that
he believes there is a so- called Ferguson Effect on law enforcement jurisdictions. Do you
agree with him? Is there a Ferguson Effect, it meaning that as a result of what happened in
Ferguson and Charleston where people are videotaping what police officers - what law
enforcement actions - that police officers are now wary to actually do their jobs, for lack of a
better description - but to patrol neighborhoods and to continue to make them safe. And thats
AG LYNCH: Well the FBI director has spoken about that, and hes spoken about it in the
context that people have relayed to him. And so, you know, hes spoken about it in that
context. I have not seen that. And in fact, we had a recent DO J study, and the conclusion was:
we need more information, as most studies are. But I think - and thats statistics for you - but I
think what Ive seen, you know, as Ive talked to police departments across the country and
community members across the country is a lot of change in law enforcement. A lot of change at
the level of training, a lot of change in the community involvement, a movement away from
understand people and their problems. And certainly I think it is the hope of all of us in law
enforcement that that will lead to not only a reduction in crime, but it certainly could lead to a
reduction in the number of arrests. I have not seen police officers shirking their
responsibilities. I have not seen police officers backing away from the hard issues that come
from patrolling very difficult and often very dangerous communities. Ive seen them moving
towards that. Ive seen them come to the Department of Justice and say, you know, I have a use
old - can you help me make sure mine is up to date? Ive seen
of force policy thats really them
come to the department and say I want to set up a community board - do you have some
examples that I can look at so that I dont have a situation like Ive seen in other police
departments. So Ive seen a lot of positive action from both community members and law
AG LYNCH: Well I was in Los Angeles, but I met with the team of agents, investigators,
police officers and lawyers who had worked on the San Bernardino investigation and are
CAPEHART: And as we recall, that was December, mass shooting, 14 people were killed. And
there are a couple of currents in that shooting - also if you tie in Orlando and what happened last
month, where 49 people were killed - youve got folks who have high capacity weapons to kill
lots of people, but you also have people who, from reports, are inspired by ISIS. So can you talk
about the challenge that those twin things cause for you and the department? Mass shootings but
also terrorism.
AG LYNCH: Yes, yes. Well you know the challenge is something that weve been talking
about for some time now as weve looked at how the threat to our homeland has changed and
morphed over the years since 9/11. Obviously, we still are looking at investigating the
orchestrated attacks like that, but what we are seeing now are more of the homegrown
extremists, those individuals often who were born here, who become radicalized - usually online
- and act out that radical ideology. The challenge is not only finding those individuals,
investigating and preventing their actions; we also have a dual challenge of how do we break that
chain of the violent ideology that people consume online? The Internet is free and open, and it
should remain free and open, but it is the place that many people go and find information that
dates back years. And youll see the tracking of - in many of the investigations that we have of
people who start out looking at Al Qaeda types of videos and documentaries move into ISIS
supported ideology and videos as well. How do we reach those individuals and either give them
an alternative reason for their thought processes or break that chain of violent ideology? So
CAPEHART: Alright. So Im looking at the clock. Weve got less than seven minutes left, so
Ive got lots of stuff to cram in here. So on May 9, you announced that the Justice Department
was suing North Carolina for its so- called Bathroom Bill. And at one point, a very powerful
moment in your remarks, you directed them directly to the transgender community. And I won t
read the entire quote, but one piece of it jumped out at me, and that was when you said that, we
see you to transgender Americans. W hy did you feel it was important to say those words to that
AG LYNCH: Because when we talk about different groups in this country who are victimized
and who are marginalized, the way in which it often happens is people are made to feel or to be
invisible. Because if someone is invisible, you dont have to look a their concerns or the ir
issues. If theyre invisible, you dont have to hear about the problems that they have. And I
think this is a time of great social change in this country - I think for the good, I think for the
better. I think were moving towards what Dr. King called the Beloved Community. But with
change often comes a lot of uncertainty and fear on the part of other people, who find it
issue that you find different by shoving it out of sight. And if we are really going to have the
open and free society that is the birthright of every American, that is the right of everyone who
comes here and lives here, in this country, then everyone deserves the right to stand in the
light. It has been my concern - also, with respect to the Orlando shooting, that members of the
LGBT community may feel that its safe for me if I dont come out. Maybe its safer for me if I
stay in the shadows. Thats not the country we live in. Its not the America weve chosen over
200 years ago, its not the one that any of us want. And so everyone deserves to stand in the
light and to truly be seen for who they are. Thats what diversity is, and to me, thats what
America is.
CAPEHART: What did Eric Holder tell you about this job?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs]
CAPEHART: Whats the one thing you wish he had told you?
CAPEHART : [Laughs] Good answer. So I understand that every AG leaves a letter for his or
her successor. What did AG Holder leave for you? What did he say in his letter?
AG LYNCH: - so I wont go into the exact letter. But what I will say is that AG Holder has
been a friend for some time and Ive had the privilege of working with him, both as U.S.
Attorney in two separate administrations, and working with him as AG was a privilege. And he
has always been supportive, he has always talked to me about the privilege of being AG and the
privilege of serving the American people, and working to ensure that in every way in which the
Department of Justice works, that the highest standards of integrity are upheld. Thats something
thats been a part of my career since I joined the department. And he has always been that voice
AG LYNCH: You know, Im not sure how you separate the two for me. [Laughs] You know, I
think that - for me, this is the greatest job that Ive had. And its such a tremendous privilege to
sit in that chair, and to try to do justice and try to do the right thing every day. And so I approach
it from that perspective. I think if people want to look at it and say, Do I want to make a
decision based on my background in some way - I think all of us are a combination of all of our
experiences. And I think that I look back on my experiences growing up in the South and what
my parents went through, and how important it was for them to stand up for equal rights, and
how important it was for them to make it clear that everyone has a place in society. And I look
back on my years as a prosecutor, and my years of dealing with victims who often feel like
So I think that eve rything that I am, and everything that Ive done, combines and comes together
in me as I do this job.
CAPEHART: Well, you know, its interesting - for general perception, you know, as a woman
and as a woman of color - youre supposed to be a lefty, and youre supposed to be someone
whos actually a defense person, not a prosecutor. How did you gravitate towards being a
prosecutor?
AG LYNCH: For me, the prosecutors role is the protector of people. And Ive always felt that
there are many communities out there, and many of them are minority communities, who either
feel rightly - and sometimes rightly - that they dont get the full benefit of the protection of the
law. That maybe crime in a certain neighborhood isnt always as aggressively pursued as in
others. And it was very important to me to be part of a system that protected everyone equally
and fairly. So I view it as very, very important to me, that we take this - that I take this job as
one as extending the protections of law enforcement to everyone that deserves it.
CAPEHART: Now if I remember correctly, you became interested in the law because you
watched your grandfather - you went with him to go to court to watch people - he defended them
in some way - you talk about your grandfather, and how he basically helped people get over the
AG LYNCH: This was the story that actually - this is a story that my father told me, because
my grandfather passed away when I was very young. And my grandfather grew up in eastern
AG LYNCH: He was from a small town called Oak City, North Carolina.
CAPEHART: Im going to have to look that up, my familys from [town], North
AG LYNCH: Yes. And my grandfather was a minister, but he was also a sharecropper, which
meant he didnt actually own the farms that he worked on, they were owned by other
people. And he and his sons, including my father and his brothers, worked those fields for
pay. But he had a very strong sense of justice. And in the 1930s in North Carolina, when my
dad was very, very young - were talking about a time before Miranda warnings, before the
guarantee of the right to counsel, before so many of the things that we take for granted in our
criminal justice system now that are guaranteed to us in our Constitution - and so many times
when people found themselves, as my grandfather used to say, in the clutches of the law, unfairly
so, they would come to him for help. And because they did not have the view that there could be
fairness in their procedure, they would literally leave town, and my grandfather would hide them
until they could in fact move away. And my father has told me a story of being at home and the
you know where so-and- so is? And the person might actually be hiding under the floorboards,
and my grandfather would say, Well I havent seen him lately. And so for me when I was
younger, I always thought about that story - how does my grandfather, who was a very moral
man, how do you reconcile that with what he was doing? And for him it was the concept of
justice, and so justice - justice is a process. You know, we like to think of it as a verdict, or a
decision - that if in fact you are pulled into the criminal justice system, you do have
protections. And you will be held accountable for what you have done - I firmly believe that, I
am a prosecutor - but it will happen in a way that is consistent with the ideals of this country, and
not the kind of justice that would be found in the dark of a dirt road at night in the 1930s in N orth
Carolina.
CAPEHART: So of course, in preparing for this I reached out to lots of people to get a sense of
you. And I got a terrific question to ask you, and that is - and I notice youre not wearing it, but
AG LYNCH: A bumblebee.
AG LYNCH: Well, the bumblebee is the insect that sort of keeps our planet alive with its work,
but anatomically, and in terms of the laws of physics, its not supposed to be able to fly. If
you
look at the shape of the body and the wings, its not supposed to be able to fly and yet it
CAPEHART: And so - and how does that translate to you and your trajectory?
AG LYNCH: There are so many times - not just for me, but for everyone - where youre going
through life and you have goals, and pe ople will look at you and make a decision, like, you cant
do that, or you shouldnt be doing that, or is it the place for you? And whether its because Im
African-American, or a woman, or Southern - you know, there are all kinds of issues that people
face. And so, to be able to say back - to wear a symbol that says, I may not look like I can do
CAPEHART: Im going to go get myself a bumblebee head. Alright, now, we really do only
have a couple of minutes left, and this is where I get to have some fun. So, whats guaranteed to
get you on the dance floor? Taylor Swifts Shake it Off - wait, two more. Bruno Mars
Uptown Funk -
AG LYNCH: I gotta tell you - I gotta go old school with Earth, Wind and Fire.
mean - as soon as you hear the drums in the beginning...anyway. So you were a U.S. Attorney in
New York City. Did you ever find yourself at home, on a rainy, snowy night, pint of ice cream,
out?
AG LYNCH: [Laughs] Actually, the benefit of being a prosecutor in New York City is that a
lot of cases from New York make their way into shows like Law and Order. So a number of
us would have a lot of fun watching the show and figuring out where they had drawn some
inspiration from. And since a young woman that I used to work with in the U.S. Attorneys
Office at one point in time was a writer on that show, I always felt I had the inside knowledge of
what cases she was talking about. And I just wanted to know who was going to play me, that
CAPEHART: Well, speaking of, who would you like to play you in the movie or the Lifetime
AG LYNCH: Gosh, I have no idea. I have no idea - Im drawing a blank. There are so many
wonderfully talented black actresses out there who could hopefully portray what Ive always felt
to be my strong desire to make sure that justice is open for everyone. So anyone who could do
that, and I think - frankly, weve got such talent out in Hollywood now. One of the things that I
think is great, again, about how our societys changing and opening up, is the recognition of
black talent in the entertainment industry, the recognition in front of the camera, behind the
CAPEHART: Loretta Lynch, 83rd Attorney General of the United States, thank you very much.
###
Excerpts from the statement coming tomorrow; however, I think todays hearing is the most
recent/useful source.
Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
(202) 305-8035
Alicia.C.OBrien@usdoj.gov
Will send tomorrows hearing transcript when it becomes available. In addition, OLA will put together
Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
(202) 305-8035
Alicia.C.OBrien@usdoj.gov
***
ATTORNEY GENERAL LYNCH: Well, I did see the President at the Phoenix Airport the
other night as I was landing, he was headed out. He did come over and say hello, and speak to
my husband and myself, and talk about his grandchildren and his travels , and things like
that. And so that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held into any cases or things
***
***
[Investigation]
AG LYNCH: It predates my tenure as AG . It is the same team and they are acting
independently. They follow the law, they follow the facts. That team will make findings, that is
to say they will come up with a chronology of what happened, the factual scenario, they will
make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. The recommendations will
be reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI and by the FBI
Director, and then, as is the common process, they will present it to me and I fully expect to
CAPEHART: N ow, w hats interesting here is you say you fully expect to accept their
recommendations, one thing people were saying this morning when the news broke was that you
were, quote recusing yourself from having any kind of role in the final determination , is that
AG LYNCH: Well, a recusal would mean that I wouldn't even be briefed on what the findings
were or what the actions going forward would be. And while I dont have a role in those findings
in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations on how to move forward, I
CAPEHART: And when you sayagain, this must be the journalist in me or the linguist in me,
accepting to me would mean; Here Madam AG , here are our findings and you accept them
whole heartedly and issue them to the public, or you accept them and look them over and then
make your own determination as to what the final determination will be.
AG LYNCH: No, the final determination as to how to proceed will be contained within the
recommendations or report or whatever format the team puts it together, that has not been
resolved, whatever report they provide to me, there will be a review of their investigation, there
will be a review of what they have found and determined to have happened or occurred and it
will be their determinations as to how they feel that the case should proceed.
CAPEHART: And when you say there will be a review, you mean the review will be done by
you once you accept the recommendations and determinations or are you talking about the
AG LYNCH : Im talking about the initial process of how this case will be resolved. This case
will be resolved by the team that's been working on it, from the beginning. Supervisors always
review matters, in this case that review will be career people in the Department of Justice, and
also the FBI will review it, up to and including the FBI Director and that will be the finalization
of not just the factual findings but the next steps in this matter.
prosecutors, career officials within the justice department. W hy are you making that very hard
AG LYNCH: I think a lot of the questions that I have gotten over the past several months,
frankly, about my role in this investigation and what it would likely be, was a question or a
concern about whether someone who was a political appointee would be involved in deciding
how to investigate a matter or what something meant or how should the case proceed going
forward? And as I have always said, this matter would be handled by the career people who are
independent. They live from administration to administration. Their role is to follow the facts
and follow the law, and make a determination as to what happened and what those next steps
should be. But, you know, in my role as AG , there are cases that come up to me, I am informed
of them from time to time. This case, as you know, has generated a lot of attention. I'll be
informed of those findings, as opposed to never reading them or never seeing them, but I will be
CAPEHART: So the New York Times reported this morning that the Justice Department
officials said back in April that what you're talking about right now was already being
considered, and so the question is before President Clinton boarded your plane in Arizona, had
you already made the determination that what you're announcing today was indeed what you
AG LYNCH: Yes, I had already determined that, that would be the process. And in large part
its because, as I'm sure you know as a journalist, I do get this question a lot.
And as I have said
on occasions as to why we don't talking about ongoing investigations in terms of what's being
discussed and who's being interviewed, is to preserve the integrity of that investigation. And we
also dont typically talk about the process by which we make decisions, and Ive provided that
response too. But in this situation, because I did have that meeting, it has raised concerns, I feel.
And I feel that while I can certainly say, this will be handled like any other, as it has always
been, and it is going to be resolved like any other, as it was always going to be. I think people
need the information about exactly how that resolution will come about in order to know what
that means, and really accept that and have faith in the ultimate decision of the Department of
Justice.
CAPEHART: So back to my first question, the what were you thinking question. But let me
put a different spin on it and ask, when you're on your plane, from having been in Washington
for a while and knowing how the protocol works: you land, folks get off for all sorts of reasons,
but its very fast. You're on your plane and in walks the former president of the United States,
AG LYNCH: Well, as I have said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello and I
congratulated him on his grandchildren, as people tend to do and that led to a conversation
about those grandchildren, who do sound great. And that led to a conversation about his
that regard. He spoke to me, and he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane, and
we moved on. And as Ive said before though, I do think that no matter how I viewed it, I
understand how people view it. And I think that because of that and because of the fact that it
has now cast a shadow over how this case may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved, it's
important to talk about how it will be resolved. It's important to make it clear that that meeting
with President Clinton does not have a bearing on how this matter is going to be reviewed,
resolved and accepted by me. Because that is the question that it raises. So again, no matter how
I viewed the meeting, what's important to me is how people view the Department of Justice
because of that meeting. How do people view the team that has worked on this from the
beginning, because of this meeting? How do people view the work that we do everyday on
behalf of the American people, which we strive to do with integrity and independence. So thats
the question for me, and that's why I felt it was important to talk about what impact that meeting
CAPEHART: Now, youve known President Clinton for a long time, he's the one who
nominated you and appointed you to a U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in 1999. So I'm
wondering - you have a relationship is what I'm trying to get to in terms of long standing
professional relationship. So you would be well within your right to say, Um, get off my plane.
what are you doing here? Do you regret not telling the former President of the United States to
AG LYNCH: As I have said, I may have viewed it in a certain light, but the issue is how does it
impact the work that I do and the work that the Department of Justice does. I certainly wouldn't
do it again. Because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not
touch. That's why I said, I think it's important to talk about how this matter will be resolved, and
how the review and how the determinations and the decisions will be made. I can say, as I have
said, it's going to be handled by career people and then we can make an announcement as to what
it is. But unless people have some insight into that process, they're not going to be able to
evaluate that. The most important thing for me as an AG is the integrity of the Department of
Justice. The fact that the meeting that I had is now casting a shadow over how people are going
to view that work is something that I take seriously and deeply and painfully. So I think it's
important to provide as much information as we can so that people can have a full view of how
we do our work and why we do our work and how this case is going to be resolved as well as
CAPEHART: And so of course, whats happened as a result of this, people who are out there in
the world are saying, See, this is an example of the system that's rigged against the rest of us.
And you just said that this whole incident has been painful, is one of the words, one of the
words you used. W hat would you say to the American people who might -- who believe that,
AG LYNCH: I think that people have a whole host of reasons to have questions about how we
in government do our business and how we handle business and how we handle matters and I
think that, again, I understand that my meeting on the plane with former President Clinton could
that's why I said it's painful to me. Because the integrity of the Department of Justice is
important. And what I would say to people is to look at the work that we do. Look at the
matters that we work on every day, whether they involve a high profile matter, or a matter where
you have never heard of the person. Look at the victims that we deal with every day, look at the
people that we protect every day because that's our mission. And to the extent that this issue has
overshadowed that mission - yes, that's painful to me. And so I think it's important that we
provide as much information as we can so people can have faith and confidence in the work of
the department and the work of the people who carry on this work every day.
CAPEHEART: And last question on this. So when might we expect your acceptance of these
AG LYNCH: So in terms of timing, I actually don t know that. Because again, I don t have
that insight into, I would say, the nuts and bolts of the investigation at this point in time. They re
working on it. Theyre working on it very hard. They re working on it to be sure that they re
thorough as they can be, that they have looked at every angle, that the yve looked at every
issue. They re doing the work that the people in the Department of Justice do every single day,
and I could not be more proud of that work. And I could not be more proud to present that work
to the American people when this matter is resolved, and we can let people know the outcome of
this investigation.
***
FYSA
Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
(202) 305-8035
Alicia.C.OBrien@usdoj.gov
George- Please take a look and let us know if you have any edits. Many thanks.
Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
(202) 305-8035
Alicia.C.OBrien@usdoj.gov
Alicia C. OBrien
Office of Legislative Affairs
(202) 305-8035
Alicia.C.OBrien@usdoj.gov
ImgoingtoflagthisforFBIpublicaffairs.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Have the Clintons ever held a political event and not invited the media? Bill Clinton was in Phoenix on Monday to
attend a Latino Leaders ...
PeterJ.Kadzik
AssistantAttorneyGeneral
OfficeofLegislativeAffairs
(202)5142141
peter.j.kadzik@usdoj.gov
FOXjustcalledtosaythatOReilly,Greta,andSpecialReportwithBretBaierwillreportonthistonight.
Also,FOXwillhaveareporterattheLApresserandthiswillaskaboutit.
PeterOLAisgoingtogetquestionsaboutthisandIthinkthetalkingpointswedraftedwillbeuseful
foryourpurposes.
(b) (5)
Wewillmonitorthepressavail,ifanylocalstationspickituplivebutKevin,pleasesendusaudioas
soonasyoucan.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballotbox/presidentialraces/286003billclintonlynchmetprivatelyinariz
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/29/billclintonlorettalynchmeetonairplaneinphoenixvideo/
stillnomajornewsinterestatthispoint.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
IsentthetranscriptandlinktothenewscliptotheFOXproducer.Hehadalreadytrackeddownthe
videofromthepresser.Heactuallythinkstheymaynotrunanythingonittodaybutwillkeepme
posted.Hedoesntthinkitsnews.IalsotalkedtotheABCproducer,whonotedthattheyarent
interested,evenifFOXrunswithit.
Giventhis,wearestillholding.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
OnJun29,2016,at9:33AM,Axelrod,Matthew(ODAG)<maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
Itsalreadypublic,asreflectedintodaysclips.(b) (5)
(b) (5)
Interestedinotherthoughts.
(b) (5)
OnJun29,2016,at9:23AM,Pokorny,Carolyn(OAG)<cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
(b) (5)
OnJun29,2016,at9:14AM,Newman,Melanie(OPA)<mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
FoxNewsjustcalled.TheyreceivedatipfromsomeoneonthegroundinPhoenix.(b) (5)
OnJun28,2016,at4:16PM,Newman,Melanie(OPA)<mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
MelanieR.Newman
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
SentfrommyiPhone
OnJun28,2016,at1:10PM,Axelrod,Matthew(ODAG)<maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
(b) (5)
OnJun28,2016,at4:09PM,Franklin,Shirlethia(OAG)<shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
Thequestionwasjustaskedatthepressavail.Localreporternotedthat"sourcessay"thattheAGmet
withformerPresidentBillClintonlastnightandaskedwhetherBenghaziwasdiscussed.TheAGstuckto
thetalkingpoints.ShealsoreceivedaquestionaboutwhetherPOTUS'supportofHillaryClintonhasany
impactontheDepartment'sinvestigation,(b) (5) .
Melanie,aspreviouslydiscussed,istheplantonowissuethestatement?
Shirlethia
Thanksall!
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Goodhere
SentfrommyiPhone
OnJun28,2016,at3:38PM,Pokorny,Carolyn(OAG)<cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
Nonefromme.
CarolynPokorny
OfficeoftheAttorneyGeneral
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
950PennsylvaniaAvenueN.W.
Email:carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office:(202)6162372
Cell:(b) (6)
EditedtoincludePeterscommentaswell.AlsocleanedupCarolynseditsalittletomakeitlessclunky.
Anyfurthercomments?IwouldliketoclosethisoutfortheAGtouseNOW.Thanks.
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
Worksforme.Editsreflectedbelowtoaddressyourpoint,aswellasadditionalfromfolksonthe
ground.
Pleasesendeditsinthenext10minutes.Thankyou.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
OnJun28,2016,at2:59PM,Newman,Melanie(OPA)<mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov>wrote:
Editedv.2:
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Agreed.Thanks.
PeterJ.Kadzik
AssistantAttorneyGeneral
OfficeofLegislativeAffairs
(202)5142141
peter.j.kadzik@usdoj.gov
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 4:03 PM
To: Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Cc: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA);
Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Herwig, Paige (OAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
FOXjustcalledtosaythatOReilly,Greta,andSpecialReportwithBretBaierwillreportonthistonight.
Also,FOXwillhaveareporterattheLApresserandthiswillaskaboutit.
PeterOLAisgoingtogetquestionsaboutthisandIthinkthetalkingpointswedraftedwillbeuseful
foryourpurposes.
(b) (5)
Wewillmonitorthepressavail,ifanylocalstationspickituplivebutKevin,pleasesendusaudioas
soonasyoucan.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballotbox/presidentialraces/286003billclintonlynchmetprivatelyinariz
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/29/billclintonlorettalynchmeetonairplaneinphoenixvideo/
stillnomajornewsinterestatthispoint.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
I sent the transcript and link to the news clip to the FOX producer. He had already tracked down the
video from the presser. He actually thinks they may not run anything on it today but will keep me
posted. He doesn't think it's news. I also ta lked to the ABC producer, who noted that they aren't
interested, even if FOX runs with it.
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell : (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Axeh-od, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2016/06/28/ag-loretta-lynch-praises-phoenix-police-training/
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokomy@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Ou Jun 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdo j.gov> wrote:
Fox News 'ust called. The received a tip from someone on the ground in Phoenix. -
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell : (b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
We didn't get any follow up. (b) (5) . Our justice repo1ter
didn't follow up either.
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Axefrod, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfrankliu@jmd.usdoj .gov> wrote:
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Thanksall!
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Good here
On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Nonefromme.
CarolynPokorny
OfficeoftheAttorneyGeneral
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
950PennsylvaniaAvenueN.W.
Washington,D.C.20530
Email:carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office:(202)6162372
Cell:(b) (6)
EditedtoincludePeterscommentaswell.AlsocleanedupCarolynseditsalittletomakeitlessclunky.
Anyfurthercomments?IwouldliketoclosethisoutfortheAGtouseNOW.Thanks.
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
Worksforme.Editsreflectedbelowtoaddressyourpoint,aswellasadditionalfromfolksonthe
ground.
Pleasesendeditsinthenext10minutes.Thankyou.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Editedv.2:
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
(b) (5)
On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokomy@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Fox News 'ust called. The received a tip from someone on the ground in Phoenix. -
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
Direct: 202-305-1920
Cell : (b) ( 6)
@MelanieDOJ
We didn't get any follow up. I(b) (5) . Our justice reporter
didn't follow up either.
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
The question was just asked at the press avail. Local reporter noted that "sources say" that the
AG met with former President Bill Clinton last night and asked whether Benghazi was
discussed. The AG stuck to the talking points. She also received a question about whether
POTUS' support of Hillary Clinton has any impact on the Department's investigation, (b) (5)
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Thanksall!
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Nonefromme.
CarolynPokorny
OfficeoftheAttorneyGeneral
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
950PennsylvaniaAvenueN.W.
Washington,D.C.20530
Email:carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office:(202)6162372
Cell:(b) (6)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Herwig, Paige (OAG);
Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
EditedtoincludePeterscommentaswell.AlsocleanedupCarolynseditsalittletomakeitlessclunky.
Anyfurthercomments?IwouldliketoclosethisoutfortheAGtouseNOW.Thanks.
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Herwig, Paige (OAG);
Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
(b) (5)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:20 PM
To: Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA);
Herwig, Paige (OAG); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
Worksforme.Editsreflectedbelowtoaddressyourpoint,aswellasadditionalfromfolksonthe
ground.
Pleasesendeditsinthenext10minutes.Thankyou.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Editedv.2:
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Agreed
Peter J. Kadzik
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Fox News 'ust called. The received a tip from someone on the ground in Phoenix. -
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
We didn't get any follow up. (b) (5) . Our justice repo1ter
didn't follow up either.
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Axeh-od, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdo j.gov> wrote :
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
The question was just asked at the press avail. Local reporter noted that "sources say" that the
AG met with fon ner President Bill Clinton last night an d asked whether Benghazi was
discussed. The AG stuck to the talking points. She also received a question about whether
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Thanksall!
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Good here
On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Nonefromme.
CarolynPokorny
OfficeoftheAttorneyGeneral
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
950PennsylvaniaAvenueN.W.
Washington,D.C.20530
Email:carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office:(202)6162372
Cell:(b) (6)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
(b) (5)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:20 PM
To: Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA);
Herwig, Paige (OAG); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
Worksforme.Editsreflectedbelowtoaddressyourpoint,aswellasadditionalfromfolksonthe
ground.
Pleasesendeditsinthenext10minutes.Thankyou.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:07 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA);
Herwig, Paige (OAG); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: Re: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Editedv.2:
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Peter J. Kadzik
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Fox News 'ust called. The received a tip from someone on the ground in Phoenix. -
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
We didn't get any follow up. (b) (5) . Our justice reporter
didn't follow up either.
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
The question was just asked at the press avail. Local reporter noted that "sources say" that the
AG met with former President Bill Clinton last night and asked whether Benghazi was
discussed. The AG stuck to the talking points. She also received a question about whether
POTUS' support of Hillary Clinton has any impact on the Department's investigation, (b) (5)
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Thanksall!
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
Good here
On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Nonefromme.
CarolynPokorny
OfficeoftheAttorneyGeneral
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
950PennsylvaniaAvenueN.W.
Washington,D.C.20530
Email:carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office:(202)6162372
Cell:(b) (6)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Herwig, Paige (OAG);
Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
EditedtoincludePeterscommentaswell.AlsocleanedupCarolynseditsalittletomakeitlessclunky.
Anyfurthercomments?IwouldliketoclosethisoutfortheAGtouseNOW.Thanks.
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Herwig, Paige (OAG);
Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
(b) (5)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:20 PM
To: Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA);
Worksforme.Editsreflectedbelowtoaddressyourpoint,aswellasadditionalfromfolksonthe
ground.
Pleasesendeditsinthenext10minutes.Thankyou.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:07 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA);
Herwig, Paige (OAG); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: Re: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Editedv.2:
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Not surprising. We are preparing a clips package but apparently there are so many stories
popping up that they are still pulling.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Shirlethia
On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Clinton Q:
REPORTER: Madam attorney general was it appropriate for you to meet with former president
clinton while your agency is in the middle of an investigation of his wife's email server?
AG LYNCH: Well i did see the president at the Phoenix airport the other night as I was landing,
he was heading out. He did come over and say hello and speak to my husband and myself and
talk about his grandchildren and his travels and things like that. And that was the extent of that.
No discussions was held on any cases or anything like that - he didn't raise anything.
REPORTER:You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your
agency is investigating?
AG LYNCH: My agency is involved in a matter of looking at the state department policies and
issues. It is being handled by career investigators and career agents. Who always follow facts
and the law and do the same thorough and independent investigation in this matter as they've
done in the past. So that's how that'll be handled.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Got it.
Thanks,
Shirlethia
On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Shirlethia
On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
CBS News now also reporting. Interest is coming from "the highest levels of news" team there.
They are also sending a reporter to the LA presser.
On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Kadzik, Peter J (OLA) <pkadzik@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
PeterJ.Kadzik
AssistantAttorneyGeneral
OfficeofLegislativeAffairs
(202)5142141
peter.j.kadzik@usdoj.gov
Wewillmonitorthepressavail,ifanylocalstationspickituplivebutKevin,pleasesendusaudioas
soonasyoucan.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Cc: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA);
Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Herwig, Paige (OAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballotbox/presidentialraces/286003billclintonlynchmetprivatelyinariz
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/29/billclintonlorettalynchmeetonairplaneinphoenixvideo/
stillnomajornewsinterestatthispoint.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
IsentthetranscriptandlinktothenewscliptotheFOXproducer.Hehadalreadytrackeddownthe
videofromthepresser.Heactuallythinkstheymaynotrunanythingonittodaybutwillkeepme
posted.Hedoesntthinkitsnews.IalsotalkedtotheABCproducer,whonotedthattheyarent
interested,evenifFOXrunswithit.
Giventhis,wearestillholding.
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Axekod, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5)
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokomy@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Fox News 'ust called. The received a tip from someone on the ground in Phoenix. -
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@ jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Melanie R. Newman
Director, Office of Public Affairs
We didn't get any follow up. (b) (5) . Our justice reporter
didn't follow up either.
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG) <maaxelrod@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
(b) (5) ?
On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG) <shfranklin@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
The question was just asked at the press avail. Local reporter noted that "sources say" that the
AG met with former President Bill Clinton last night and asked whether Benghazi was
discussed. The AG stuck to the talking points. She also received a question about whether
POTUS' support of Hillary Clinton has any impact on the Department's investigation, (b) (5)
Shirlethia
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Thanksall!
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
Good here
On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG) <cpokorny@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Nonefromme.
CarolynPokorny
OfficeoftheAttorneyGeneral
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
950PennsylvaniaAvenueN.W.
Washington,D.C.20530
Email:carolyn.pokorny@usdoj.gov
Office:(202)6162372
Cell:(b) (6)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Herwig, Paige (OAG);
Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
EditedtoincludePeterscommentaswell.AlsocleanedupCarolynseditsalittletomakeitlessclunky.
Anyfurthercomments?IwouldliketoclosethisoutfortheAGtouseNOW.Thanks.
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ
From: Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Newman, Melanie (OPA); Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA); Herwig, Paige (OAG);
Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
(b) (5)
From: Newman, Melanie (OPA)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:20 PM
To: Kadzik, Peter J (OLA)
Cc: Franklin, Shirlethia (OAG); Amuluru, Uma (OAG); Pokorny, Carolyn (OAG); Lewis, Kevin S. (OPA);
Herwig, Paige (OAG); Axelrod, Matthew (ODAG)
Subject: RE: DRAFT: Statement/Talking Points
Worksforme.Editsreflectedbelowtoaddressyourpoint,aswellasadditionalfromfolksonthe
ground.
Pleasesendeditsinthenext10minutes.Thankyou.
MelanieR.Newman
(b) (5)
On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Newman, Melanie (OPA) <mnewman@jmd.usdoj.gov> wrote:
Editedv.2:
(b) (5)
MelanieR.Newman
Director,OfficeofPublicAffairs
U.S.DepartmentofJustice
Direct:2023051920
Cell:(b) (6)
@MelanieDOJ