302017 How do size a Neural Grounting Resistor for a Transformer [User Name [Password [toa in ITE DLs O) BEM ak Oly ene ioe ee tc eet f Forum Active Forums # Electrical Calculations / Engineering # How do I size a Neutral Grounding Resistor for a Transformer Results 1 to 8 of 8 Thread: How do I size a Neutral Grounding Resistor for a Transformer Tread Tools» Search Thread~ Display enc Meeecian Join Date: ‘Aug 2008 REFELEC © re Junior Member Posts: ‘ How do I size a Neutral Grounding Resistor for a Transformer How do I size a Neutral Grounding Resistor for a Transformer? Transformer rating : 7 MVA, 22/3.3KV, Fault level : 26 kA. Please tell me what other data I need to specify for calculating the resistance value of NGR for the above transformer. And how do we normally calculate the NGR value of a transformer. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards. o 7 Feb 2003 poor) Location: Pennsyvania Member Posts: 98 What Ground fault level ? The size of the resistor will be determined by the amount of amperage you are trying to limit it to, 25 amps? 15 amps? 10 amps? 5 amps? 15 amps @ 3.3 kv (assuming 1.9 kv to ground) would be 28,500 watt - I normally size 2.5 X full rating so 71,250 watt with insulators rated 4 kv, and 126.72 ...... Edited by Charlie to add the 126.72 to the annswer. Last edited by charlie; 08-14-08 at 08:16 AM. hipstorums mikeheltcomishowrtreadiphp= 102949, 153072017 How do size a Neural Grouting Resistor for a Transformer Cr Join Date: ‘Aug 2008 REFELEC © > Junior Member Posts: ‘ Thank you Mr. jcormack @ Originally Posted by jeormack The size of the resistor will be determined by the amount of amperage you are trying to limit it to. 25 amps? 15 amps? 10 amps? 5 amps? 15 amps @ 3.3 kv (assuming 1.9 kv to ground) would be 28,500 watt - I normally size 2.5 X full rating so 71,250 watt with insulators rated 4 kv... Thanks a lot Mr, jcormack for your prompt & useful reply. However my doubt is how do I approach to the problem of calculating / deciding the limiting the ground fault current? If possible, please tell me the way to calculate (in practice) or decide the same practically. If I know my limiting ground fault current at the source generator, will it help? Thanks a lot for giving your valuable time. Regards. #4 > Join Date: May 2003, tyag_618 © Location: Salt Lake City, Utah jor Member Posts: 5319 What are you trying to acheive with the grounding impedance? Are you using it maintain continuity of power, and not initiate on overcurrent device? Or, perhaps, are you simply using it to limit fault current in order to help protect your equipment from high levels of fault current? Or perhaps you are doing both? I know of designers that will set the impedance to the same value of the line to neutral voltage, so under fault condition it pulls one ampere. If this is greater than the charging current of the circuit, it works well. If you have more "noise" on the circuit than one ampere, you would need to set the resistance lower to avoid false alarms. This is assuming you are using the impedance to maintain continuity of power. If you are simply using the impedance to limit currents and avoid damaging equipment, I would look at the damage curves of said equipment and take it from there. *Edited for spelling Ryan Jackson, Salt Lake City Inspector, Instructor hipsforums.mikeheltcomishowrtr ead php t= 102049,3072017 How do size a Neural Grounting Resistor fora Transformer Poem sit . Join Date: ‘Aug 2004 wirenut1980 iteation Plainfield IN Senior Member eae a @2 Originally Posted by REFELEC ‘Thanks a lot Mr. jcormack for your prompt & useful reply. However my doubt is how do {approach to the problem of calculating / deciding the limiting the ground fault current? If possible, please tell me the way to calculate (in practice) or decide the same practically. IF1 know my limiting ground fault current at the source generator, will it help? ‘Thanks a lot for giving your valuable time. Regards. ‘The ground fault current should be limited to something above the line to ground capacitive charging current and below equipment damage thresholds. From a Post-Glover document: The magnitude of zero-phase sequencecharging current is determined by the line-toground capacitance associated with system components. The value of the current must be known to properly coordinate the Post Glover High-Resistance Grounding System, In an industrial power system where the design ‘and components are known, the charging current can be estimated with reasonable accuracy. With a complex array of machines and cables this may be tedious and yield less-thanaccurate results. The discussion that follows outlines a suitable test for determining the value of current in a system, A transformer's capacitance-to-ground is usually negligible because of the large spacing between the transformer's core and winding, and the shielding effect of the winding layer adjacent to the core. Shielding prevents the other winding layers from significantly increasing the windingto- ‘ground capacitance. Cable and overhead line capacitance, on the other hand, can be significant ifthe circuit is large. Major contributions to the overall system capacitance-to-ground are made by rotating machines, Attributes such as the type of insulation and the number and depth of slots ‘an produce wide variations. A typical value for 8 200-hp, 2300-volt, 1800-rpm induction motor might be 0.002 microfarads phase-to-ground capacitance. The most accurate way to determine the maximum value of the charging current is by test, since extreme variations can exist. The charging current per phase is represented by Ic while 3Ic corresponds to the total line-to-ground charging current. To obtain the zero-phase sequence charging current, a one-phase conductor is intentionally grounded (Figure 7). First, an estimate of the total charging current is required for sizing of the test resistor (Table A), This estimate does not include the contribution hnpforums mikeheltcomishowrtread php t= 1029493072017 How do size a Neural Grounting Resistor fora Transformer from surge-protective capacitors. The test resistor value is found by the following: R, = 24(Line-to-Neutral Voltage) Estimated 3c For example, if 3Ic is assumed to be 3A and VL is 1390V, then the value of the test resistor Rt will be about 926 ohms, This example yields an Rt of about 900 ohms. The resistor should be variable and connected from one of the phases to ground. The resistance is used to bring one conductor to {ground potential by progressively decreasing the resistance to zero, The resistor is sized to hrave a short-time current rating of about one ‘minute and not less than the estimated total system-charging current 3Ic, By connecting a portable ammeter in the path between the grounded conductor and earth ‘ground, Ic can be read, Conducting the test under varying load conditions throughout the day allows more accurate measurement of the ‘maximum value. They also list a typical values of charging current: System Voltage ~ Charging Current (31 c) Amps/10000KVA of Capacity* 0.1-2.0 ~ 0.1-2.0 * Does not include surge capacitor contribution Edited to attempt to attach document...did not work POSER MCE) #6 Join Date: ‘Aug 2008 REFELEC © 7 Junior Member Posts: ‘ ‘@ Thanks for the replies. Thanks a lot ryan_618 and wirenut1980 for your great answers. It has been a remarkable feeling for me to get quick responses from you people. I was looking for a section where I could say thanks to the Moderators and Administrator for this great site. As I couldn't find any, I wish to express here my gratitude to the Moderators for this great intellectual forum. Regards. ERE GEOG Join Date: May 2003, Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 5319 hipsforums mikeheltcomishowitr ead php t= 102049,3072017 How do size a Neural Grouting Resistor fora Transformer You're very welcome, and just because you got an answer doesn't mean you should be a stranger. Ryan Jackson, Salt Lake City Inspector, Instructor feet Join Date: ‘Aug 2008 REFELEC © . Junior Member Posts: ‘ @ Originally Posted by ryan_618 You're very welcome, and just because you got an answer doesn’t mean you should be a stranger. Thank you for being so courteous...I feel great to be among you intellectual people. 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