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TableofContents
Chapter1:
3 Principles of Intrinsic Value that Warren Buffett Pointed Out Clearly
which most of us have missed
Chapter2:
3 Criteria that a Stock must Fulfill first before calculating its Intrinsic Value
Chapter3:
8 Types of Stocks that are not Suitable to Calculate Intrinsic Value.
Chapter4:
4 Steps to Calculate a Stocks Intrinsic Value in 10 Minutes
Chapter5:
6 Limitations for using Intrinsic Value to Evaluate a stock investment deal
WebinarFAQ:
Answering Your Questions on Intrinsic Value
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Chapter1
3PrinciplesofIntrinsicValue
thatWarrenBuffettPointedOutClearly
whichMostofUshaveMissed...
Before making a decision, savvy investors would first calculate the intrinsic
value of one share of Public Bank.
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Personally, Ive done a bit of reading to find out what intrinsic value is.
According to the Annual Report 2016 of Berkshire Hathaway Inc, Ive
discovered the definition of intrinsic value given by Warren Buffett. Here is
how he puts it:
Ive highlighted three key words: Discounted, Cash and Remaining Life.
They are the three key principles that are absolutely instrumental to the
definition of intrinsic value which, regrettably, most of us have them
missed. Let me elaborate further:
#1:Discounted
Thus, If I buy a stock today, Im investing todays money for the potential of
receiving more money in the future. The investment in this stock makes
sense only if the total future money that I would be receiving in todays
value exceeds the amount of investment that Im making today.
Question
How do I know the todays value of money that I would be receiving
tomorrow?
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Answer
Heres a great illustration. What is the difference between me receiving:
a. RM 10,000 today.
b. RM 10,000 in a years time.
RM 9,709 3% RM 10,000
#2:Cash
Evidently, Warren Buffett places high regards to cash flow. Stocks that have
abundance in cash is able to fund growth projects and pay regular streams
of dividends to their shareholders.
Presently, there are devotees of Warren Buffett which use cash as a basis to
calculate intrinsic value. Some choose Operating Cash Flows while others
choose Free Cash Flows. In both instances, they would generate different
intrinsic value figures despite performing calculations for the same stock.
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In theory, I agree with the usage of cash. However, as I practise, Ive
discovered that it is limiting and not user-friendly.
For Operating Cash Flows, the formula used would exclude stocks that
have higher fluctuations in working capital. This includes local banks which
are well-capitalized. Meanwhile, the figures of a stocks Free Cash Flows is
rather subjective as there are multiple ways of calculating it.
#3:RemainingLife
This emphasizes on stocks where their businesses are sustainable over the
long-term.
Obviously, there are companies like Frasers & Neave Ltd and Great Eastern
Holdings Ltd which have been in operations for more than 100 years.
Hence, some investors would project the future earnings or cash flows to be
received of a stock to its eternity or perpetuity.
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AsaResult...
Two people may look at the same stock and the same set of financial results.
But, they would inevitably come out with different intrinsic value figures of
the stock. The differences stem from how well investors comprehend and
incorporate these three key principles in their calculations.
In the following chapters, Ill continue to use Public Bank Bhd as my case
study to explain in great detail:
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Chapter2
3Criteriathat
aStockmustFulfillFirst
beforeCalculatingitsIntrinsicValue
Link:
5 Steps to Calculate Intrinsic Value of a Stock
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Since then, Ive received hundreds of requests for my write-ups and
template to calculate intrinsic value. This includes questions relating to
some difficulty experienced by sincere investors in calculating intrinsic
value. Most of these difficulties arise from a lack of understanding on how
to best use the formula to perform the calculation of intrinsic value.
ItsNotforEveryStock
For a start, we need to realize that the calculation of intrinsic value is not
for every stock listed on the stock exchange. This means, there are stocks
where you cant use this formula to estimate their intrinsic value.
Basically, a stock needs to fulfill three simple criterias first before we can
use the formula to calculate its intrinsic value. They are:
#1:GrowProfitsConsistently-Past
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Question:
Why do some fail to calculate a meaningful intrinsic value figure for a
stock?
Heres my answer. Over time, I found that some have used this formula in
attempt to calculate the intrinsic value of stocks that:
The proof is with Warren Buffett. Globally, savvy investors read the
writings of Warren Buffett in the annual reports of Berkshire Hathaway Inc.
Why? This is because millions around the world are interested to learn the
Secret Sauce to long-term success in the stock market.
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As I write, Berkshire Hathaway Inc is a stock that has made Compounded
Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 20.8% over 51 years from 1965 to 2016. Its
a remarkable achievement.
Here, Ill list down the 5 largest stock investment that Berkshire Hathaway
Inc made according to its market value as at December 31, 2016.
I believe, you get the picture. Thus, I submit to you that Warren Buffett
made his money from investing in highly profitable stocks, not speculating
in the stock market. If you are new to stock investing, it is better to start
assessing stocks that:
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Yes, it did. Evidently, Public Bank has increased its shareholders earnings
from RM 1.73 Billion in 2006 to RM 5.21 Billion in 2016. Over the 10-year
period, it has achieved consistent growth in profits.
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Source: Annual Reports of Ann Joo Resources Bhd
#2:AbundanceinCashFlows-Present
Why?
This is because a stock that has good cash flow management is able to:
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Evidently, stocks that deliver growth in profits consistently are ones that
have built a proven track record of growing profits consistently in the past
and has abundance in cash reserves and healthy balance sheet presently.
Yes, it did. Public Bank has increased its operating cash flows before
working capital changes from RM 3.05 Billion in 2006 to RM 7.03 Billion in
2016. As at March 31, 2017, Public Bank has reported to have RM 17.87
Billion in cash reserves.
Clearly, Ann Joo has reported ups and downs in cash flows from operations.
Thus, it failed to fulfill both Criteria #1 and #2.
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Source: Annual Reports of Ann Joo Resources Bhd
#3:TangibleGrowthPlans-Future
Question:
How do we know whether a stock is able to make money in the future?
Rather, I choose to read and extract key information from a stocks annual
report, quarterly report, press releases, and investors presentations. These
materials contain many gems of information about how a stock intends to
make money in the future. As these information are well-documented,
theres little need for us to speculate the unknown.
Public Bank has revealed six major key performance targets for 2017:
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Year 2016 Target 2016 Actual 2017 Target
In addition, Public Bank has revealed areas of strategic focus. This includes:
a. Interest Income
Focus Lending on Purchases of Residential and Non-Residential
Properties.
b. Non-Interest Income
Expand fee-based income such as unit trust funds, bancassurance,
card business, cash management services, remittance services and
trade finance. In addition, Public Bank intends to open 7 new
branches in Vietnam.
c. Profits Margins
Maintain cost of funding by securing higher retail and lower cost
deposits.
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As such, Public Bank has fulfilled all three criterias needed to calculate its
intrinsic value as it:
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Chapter3
8TypesofStocks
ThatarenotSuitableto
CalculateIntrinsicValue
Is the calculation of intrinsic value limited to only stocks that grow profits
consistently?
Yes.
Isnt it limiting? After all, arent there stocks that appreciated in prices
despite reporting mediocre financial results?
Yes, it is limiting.
And yes, there are stocks that have experienced increase in prices despite
reporting mediocre financial results.
This is because Ive discovered that stock prices tend to follow profits.
In most cases, stocks that are growing profits consistently would increase in
market value over the long-term. The exception applies to stocks that are
superbly overpriced as they are less attractive compared to other stocks that
are competitively priced. After all, we have over 900+ stocks to choose from
Bursa Malaysia.
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Meanwhile, the price increase for stocks that reported poor financial results
often does not last. These stocks are often traded by speculators, short-term
traders and anyone who intends to make a quick buck in the stock market.
Usually, these stocks are volatile as they lack capital from serious investors
who are risk-averse in nature to support demand for them in both good and
bad market situations.
a. Are Conservative
This formula considers a stocks past track record, present and
future ability to grow profits consistently. It involves an all-rounded
and comprehensive assessment of a stocks capability to deliver
returns to investors.
b. Value Sustainability
This formula is best used for stocks that are resilient and are able to
make money in both the best and the worst possible market
conditions.
c. Wants Longevity
This formula assumes that an investor intends to hold onto his stock
investment without selling it. It encourages us to treat stockholdings
as part ownership of a business that we expect to gain from it
continually rather than an electronic code or paper where its prices
fluctuate on a daily basis.
Thus, this formula is intended to dismiss stocks that have poor financial
results and are overpriced. It encourages one to enhance profits and gains
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through acquiring stocks that have excellent financial results and are
undervalued.
Here, Ill list down eight types of stocks that are not suitable to calculate
intrinsic value.
#1:StocksthatincurredLosses
This is self-explanatory.
#2:StocksthathaveDecliningProfits
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Thus, it is not possible to calculate the intrinsic value of a stock that reports
continuous decline in profits as it has negative earnings growth rate.
#3:StocksthathaveUnpredictableProfits
This refers to stocks where their profits are up in a year and down in the
next. Its like making a friend who is unpredictable. Today, hes happy.
Tomorrow, hes not. Its quite burdensome as you couldnt predict his
current mood. Its the same for these stocks as you cant really tell how
much you are going to make in the following year.
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Source: Annual Reports of Press Metal Bhd
#4:TurnaroundCases
Often, stocks in this category may not be bad investments. They are
suitable for any group of investors who are into stocks that are cyclical in
nature. But, long-term investors who seek to be extra-conservative may
dismiss them due to their lack of consistency in growing profits.
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#5:StocksthathaveNoRealGrowth
In 2006, Shangri-La Hotels (M) Bhd derived its main income from five
hotels and two investment properties. They include Shangri-La Hotel Kuala
Lumpur, Hotel Jen Penang (formerly known as Traders Hotel Penang),
Rasa Ria Resort, Golden Sands Resort, Rasa Sayang Resorts, UBN Tower
and UBN Apartments respectively.
By 2016, Shangri-La Hotels (M) Bhd continues to derive its income from
these properties. There is no major addition of new properties over the last
10 years. So, let us assume that it has no plans to acquire new hotels and
resorts over the next 10 years, how much do you think Shangri-La Hotels
(M) Bhd will be making in 2026?
I believe, you get the idea. The issue is not about profits, sustainability or
longevity. It is about limited growth prospects. Its growth is capped to the
occupancy rate, room rates, food & beverage sales, and other associated
income from the same five hotels and two investment properties.
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#6:StocksthatreportedSuperbPerformancesin1-2Years
Often, they create some excitement in the stock market. This is because
there are investors who are relatively short-sighted. It could mean two
things. Firstly, they focus only on the financials of the latest 1 - 2 years.
Secondly, they are motivated to buy these stocks as their prices have gone
up rapidly over the last 1 - 2 years.
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Source: Bursamarketplace.com
In this case, share price indeed has followed profits. However, the share
price increment is not sustainable. It tumbled after profits tumbled. What
went up quickly had came down quickly too. May this be a lesson for all of
us not to chase the next-big-jump in the stock market.
#7:StocksthatDependsonaFewCustomersforMainIncome
Here, the issue is sustainability. If a stock makes money from a few major
customers, what would happen if the stock loses them? How does it sustain
growth in income? Lets take a look at Globetronics Technology Bhd.
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Source: Annual Reports of Globetronics Technology Bhd
Source: Bursamarketplace.com
In 2015, Globetronics Technology Bhd has derived 79% of its total revenues
from two major customers. In 2016, it received substantially lower orders
from its major customers, causing a huge plunge in sales and profits in that
financial year. This has caused stock prices to drop from RM 6.33 in
December 2015 to RM 2.82 in August 2016.
As I write (July 24, 2017), stock price has recovered back to RM 6.18 a share.
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So, should I buy Globetronics Technology Bhd? Nah. Ill give it a pass as its
trading at current P/E Ratio of 67.9. This is like investing RM 67.9 Million in
a business to get RM 1 Million a year. Its definitely not for me at the
moment.
#8:StocksthatChangeitsBusinessModel
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Chapter4
4Stepsto
CalculatetheIntrinsicValue
ofastockin10Minutes
Before you begin, you may need the intrinsic value template that Ive built
to follow the four steps below.
Click Here:
Intrinsic Value Template
If you have failed to receive your copy, please feel free to drop me an email.
Ill be happy to send the copy to you.
Paste it Here:
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Step#1-
CompileShareholdersEarningsforthePast10Years
Basically, this step is a copy & paste job. You may obtain the figures of
Public Bank Bhds shareholders earnings from its annual reports.
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Screenshot of my Intrinsic Value Template
Step#2:
CalculateEarningsGrowthRate
a. No. of Years
Usually, the standard practise is to calculate CAGR of a stocks
earnings over a ten-year period. In this case, it includes the period
from 2006 to 2016.
b. Start Value
This refers to Public Banks shareholders earnings in 2006. The
figure is RM 1.727 Billion.
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c. End Value
This refers to Public Banks shareholders earnings in 2016. The
figure is RM 5.207 Billion.
Once youve placed these figures, you would discovered that Public Bank
has achieved CAGR of 11.67% a year in shareholders earnings over the last
10 years. This means, Public Bank has grown its shareholders earnings at a
rate of 11.67% per annum from 2006 to 2016.
CAGR=11.67%
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Step#3:
DetermineYourDiscountRate
You can be experimental with this template. For a start, I would suggest one
of the following figures.
b. Flexi-Loans - 4.5%
If I invest in a stock, I would lose my opportunity to save up to 4.5%
in interest expenses as I could park my capital in a flexi-housing
loan to reduce my interest expenses on my mortgage.
c. REIT Portfolio - 6% or 7%
Today, it is possible to find REITs in Singapore that yield
approximately 6% - 7% a year in income distribution. I would use
6% or 7% in discount rate to compare the attractiveness of a stock
investment deal against REITs in Singapore. The same discount rate
can be applied if you are considering to withdraw money from your
EPF account to invest in a stock.
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You may place your preferred discount rate in the light red box. The
present value of Public Banks intrinsic value is calculated automatically.
The result is bolded and circled in red.
Based on the discount rates suggested above, the intrinsic value of Public
Bank is estimated to be:
The intrinsic value calculated is for 100% shareholdings of Public Bank. The
next step is to calculate the intrinsic value of one share of Public Bank.
Thus,
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Step#4:
FindOuttheStocksLatestNumberofShares
Again, this figure is easily obtained from Public Banks latest quarterly
report. The latest report is for Q1 2017. From which, Public Bank has
reported to issue 3.861 Billion in ordinary share.
Once youve placed it in the light red box, the intrinsic value of one share
of Public Bank is automatically calculated.
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Based on the discount rates suggested above, the intrinsic value of one share
Public Bank is estimated to be:
Finally...
ComparetheIntrinsicValueofOneSharewithitsCurrentPrice
Ive placed a link that directs you immediately to obtain the current stock
price of Public Bank. Click it and update the figure accordingly. As I write
(July 25, 2017), Public Bank is trading at RM 20.40 a share.
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Screenshot of my Intrinsic Value Template; discount rate = 3.0%
Based on the discount rate of 3.0%, the intrinsic value of one share of Public
Bank is RM 25.54. It is higher than its current price of RM 20.40. As such,
Public Bank is viewed to be undervalued by 20.12%. Herere the calculation
for other discount rates:
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Chapter5
6Limitationsof
usingIntrinsicValueto
evaluateaStockInvestmentDeal
Limit#1:
ItsnotforShort-TermTrading
Some tools such as candlesticks, RSI, stochastics, and MACD are meant for
traders who intend to make trading gains over a shorter period of time. As a
result, it will result in contradicting results with some indicators pointing
Yes and some pointing No. At the end, these investors would be confused
as they are overwhelmed with a mixture of results produced.
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Thus, if you intend to trade, please use a combination of tools and
indicators which are suitable for trading. Meanwhile, if you intend to invest,
please use the right tools to help you make better investment decisions.
Especially if youre new to the stock market, its helpful to separate the two,
choose one and be a master of it.
Limit#2:
ItincludesStocksthathaveLowDividendYields
Chances are that youll have a boutique of stocks that grow profits
consistently but has chosen to adopt very different dividend policies. Some
stocks adopt a generous dividend policy and thus, reward their shareholders
with generous dividend payouts. Some stocks may choose to pay less
dividends so that they can retain more earnings for investment purposes.
As such, the overall dividend yield of your portfolio may be lower than a
Dividend Investor who is focused primarily on dividend yields over capital
appreciation.
Limit#3:
SharePricesmoveindependentlyfromIntrinsicValue
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In general, investors buy shares if the stock price is below its intrinsic value.
They will consider selling shares if the stock price has moved above its
intrinsic value.
Scenario#1-
I bought a stock that is undervalued and its share price drop.
Should I buy more / hold / sell my shareholdings to cut losses?
Firstly, I would reassess the stocks fundamentals. This involves checking its
past profits, latest profits and its balance sheet. If the stock is fundamentally
solid, then, I would run through a series of bargain hunting tools. These
tools ensure that Im really buying the stock at a discount. Briefly, they
include:
If all of the above indicates that the stock investment deal is good, then, I
suppose it is a better deal as the stock is offered at a lower price. It is a great
opportunity for one to boost your stockholdings and your potential ROI per
share if the stock increases both in dividend payouts and share prices in the
future.
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Personally, stock investing is not about you making one purchase and hope
to sell that purchase at a higher price. Instead, it involves a plan to stock-up
or accumulate the same good quality stocks at discounted prices over a
period of time and reap a Bigger Reward if they appreciated in prices in the
future. If their prices remain discounted, you should be compensated with
handsome dividend yields on a regular basis.
Scenario#2:
I bought a stock. Its stock price has appreciated and is now overvalued.
Should I buy more / hold / sell them to reap my investment reward?
Again, investing is about buying low to sell high. Buying low enables you to
boost your ROI. Meanwhile, buying high decreases your overall ROI to your
stock portfolio. In most cases, Ill be in the position to sell instead of buying
since the rise in price makes the stock less appealing as an investment.
Since buying is out of the picture, the next question is, When do I sell?
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c. How a stock is switching in price trend so that you can position
yourself correctly.
Source: Bursamarketplace.com
Observations:
1. Downtrend
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2. Uptrend
Question:
Why dont we just invest in stocks based on
the SMA-Crossover Method if it is so good?
I use both fundamentals and technicals. I consider the past, the present and
the future. I use a combination of tools such as P/E Ratio, P/B Ratio, ROI,
Dividend Yields, Intrinsic Value Calculation and the SMA-Crossover
Method. Why?
If you think, stock investing is a game of luck, perhaps, you may need to
think again. You cant build a stock portfolio that is sustainable based on
luck alone.
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If youre into trading, perhaps, you may ask, Are you able to stomach losses
if you lose money from trading? If you cant and youre not willing to learn
how to trade, you may consider stock investing as an alternative. Its
simpler.
Limit#4:
IntrinsicValueisnotaPreciseFigure
a. The Formula
The formula depicted in this book uses shareholders earnings as the
main basis to calculate intrinsic value. Some may choose operating
cash flows or free cash flows as other bases instead.
b. Period
The formula illustrated uses a period of 10 years. Some may use a
shorter period of 5 years. Meanwhile, there are others who uses
eternity as their basis to calculate intrinsic value.
c. Growth Rate
The formula illustrated uses the calculation of CAGR of a stocks
shareholders earnings. Some may choose to make an educated
guess on the appropriate growth rate of a stock.
d. Discount Rate
As explained in Chapter 4, the formula suggests multiple options for
discount rates. Different discount rates have resulted in different
figures of the intrinsic value of a stock.
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Therefore, two different individuals would come up with different intrinsic
value figures despite looking at the same stock which produced the same set
of financial reports.
Limit#5:
ActualResultsofastockmayDifferfromProjections
Limit#6:
IntrinsicValuedoesntconsiderShort-TermFinancialResults
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Some have chosen to abort the calculation of intrinsic value because of this
one flaw. Personally, I have a different perspective. Instead of an abortion,
the assessment for a stocks short-term financial results is done separately
from the calculation of intrinsic value.
If a stock has built a track record of growing profits consistently over the
past 10 years, then, it shouldnt have a problem sustaining growth in profits
over the last 12 months. If it fails this criteria, you may choose to dismiss
the opportunity to invest in that stock.
Figures in RM Million
Period 2016 Q2 2016 Q3 2016 Q4 2017 Q1
Over the last 12 months, Public Bank has sustained profits as it made RM
5.23 Billion in shareholders earnings. In this case, it passed the criteria of
both growing profits in the past and sustaining it in the present. As such,
you may calculate the intrinsic value of Public Bank.
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WebinarFAQ
AnsweringYourQuestionson
IntrinsicValue
Question1:
WhatisthebestwaytodetermineDiscountRate?
It depends. What would you do with your money if you dont invest in
stocks? For instance,
Question2:
WhatisthecriteriathatIusetodeterminethediscountratefor
bankingstocks?Arethesecriteriathesameforotherstocks?
There is no specific criteria that I use for bank stocks. Personally, I believe
the discount rate is applied to stocks across all sectors. I may use 6% - 7% as
Im receiving approximately 6% - 7% in dividend yields a year from my
current investment in REITs.
Question3:
Whatifthestockchosenhasrisingearningsbutcashflowisnegative?
Firstly, after compilation of over 900+ stocks, most stocks that grow profits
consistently have good cash flow management and a healthy balance sheet.
Why?
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This is because, a stock is able to consistently fund its investment and
expansion activities if it is financially solid. This consistency would result in
consistent growth in profits. It is less probable (impossible) for a stock to
have extremely poor financial standing after many profitable years.
Thirdly, back to your question, if the stock has poor cash flow management,
you may dismiss the stock as its not compatible with the formula of
calculating its intrinsic value. Why? This is because, a stock that has poor
cash flow management may not be able to finance its future growth plans
consistently.
Question4:
CanIusethisformulaforIPOs?
Question5:
Howaboutnewlylistedstocks?
In most cases, not really. This formula is best applied if a stock has been
listed for more than 5 years. You may find this formula limiting. The
limitation is intended to narrow down your search to stocks that have built
a proven track record of profits. Its a strategy for the conservative.
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Question6:
Howaboutstocksthatareflatingrowthrateorhavelowgrowthrate?
If a stock has zero growth rate, then, theres no CAGR. Lets imagine. Youre
presenting a chance to receive RM 1 Million a year for the next 10 years.
Whats the value of RM 1 Million next year and RM 1 Million ten years later
in todays value?
If a stock has low growth rate, at least, you will have a CAGR. You may use
it to project future earnings. Its still applicable.
Question7:
Whatifastockhaslessthan10yearsintrackrecord?
For instance, Hartalega has nine years. You may calculate the CAGR for
Hartalega for the past nine years. I think, the range between five to ten
years is okay. Still, it is better to stick to ten years to be more conservative.
Question8:
Somepeoplesaythereisnorealbenefitsincollectingdividends.
Normally,stockpriceswoulddropaftertheex-date.Whatsmyviewon
it?
Firstly, to me, stock investing is about receiving recurring gains over the
long-term. So, it is best to have a longer term approach when assessing a
stocks investment potential. This means, I wont based my investment
decisions on one singular event.
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Question9:
Mypalclaimedthattechnicalanalysisisusedtodetermineentryprice
andfundamentalanalysisisusedtodeterminequalityofastock.Isit
correct?
Firstly, there are hundreds of technical analysis tools that one can employ.
You may need to explore around and use a combination of right tools to
help you achieve your investment or trading objectives.
Secondly, if you are an investor, you may use technical tools like
SMA-Crossover Method to guide your investment decisions. It worked great
for me personally. However, if you intend to trade for short-term gains,
please use other trading tools which are more suitable.
All in all, please dont mix up tools meant for investing and trading. Youll
get confusing results.
Question10:
Foroutstandingshares,iftherearewarrants/ESOSissuedbythe
company,isitpossibletousethedilutednumberofsharesin
calculatingtheintrinsicvalueofastock?
Yes, you may. In this case, you should get an intrinsic value figure which is
lower than one if you use basic number of shares.
Question11:
Today,mydiscountrateis3%.Icomputetheintrinsicvalueofastock
andfoundittobeundervalued,thus,Iboughtsomeshares.
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Whatif,twoyearslater,Iuseadifferentdiscountrate,letssay6%,
andfoundthesamestocktobeovervalued.DoIselltheseshares?
This means,
a. If you use discount rate of 3%, then, you are evaluating the
attractiveness of the stock investment against placing your money in
a local FD account.
b. If you use discount rate of 6%, then, you are evaluating the
attractiveness of the stock investment against investing in something
that pays 6% in investment returns.
So, if the stock youve bought is overvalued after you use the discount rate
of 6%, this means, the investment that pays 6% in returns is more attractive
than the stock. You may choose to sell the stock and buy something that
pays 6% in returns.
Question12:
CanIdouble-upmydiscountrateforeachstoplossthatIplaced?For
instance,Iputastop-lossof8%forastockthatIintendtobuy.So,my
discountratefortocalculateastocksintrinsicvalueis16%.Should
thediscountratebedeterminedonastocksrespectiveindustry?
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First, we must understand the purpose of b
uying a stock. Let us say, we are
investors who intend to own good quality stocks and gain from these by
receiving dividends and long-term capital appreciation.
b. Now, you have 2,000 shares of a stock. Thus, you receive RM 100 in
dividends which works out to be 5.26% in dividend yields as youve
bought the same stock at lower prices.
Third, as such, it is best not to mix the two tools when assessing a stock as
they are meant for different purposes. Thats how most people become
confused. Thus, as mentioned, its better to focus solely on investing tools if
you are investing.
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Fourth, some investors may choose to employ the margin of safety when
evaluating a stock investing deal. This is for people who intend to be even
more conservative.
So, heres another question. Whats the margin of safety should I put?
So, back to your question. Can I use discount rate of 16%? No problem. Its
okay to go ahead and be experimental. Should discount rate be determined
based on a stocks industry? Personally, I dont do that. But, if one chooses
to have different discount rate for stocks of different industries, its not
wrong either. You may choose to do so. Really, there is no right or wrong
answers to discount rate. Ultimately, please use a discount rate that youre
comfortable with.
Question13:
Canintrinsicvaluecalculationbeusedforstocksthatimproved
financialresultsfromlossestoprofits?
Unfortunately, nope.
Its only catered for stocks that have built a proven track record of growing
profits consistently. Its for the conservative.
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Question14:
Whydoyouuse10years?Ibelieveitistoolong.5yearsisenough.Bull
andbearcyclestendtohappenwithina10-yearperiod,thus,nullifying
theCAGR?
Secondly, why 10 years? This is because of discount rate. What is the value
of RM 100 in 50 years from now? I guess its not very much. Thus, there is
no point in trying to project future earnings to 50 years from today. So, I
believe 10 years is ideal as RM 100 in 10 years time is still worth something.
Thirdly, the formula to calculate intrinsic value is strictly for stocks that
grow profits consistently. Consistency refers to stocks that continue to
generate higher profits in:
As such, the calculation of intrinsic value is not for one who attempts to
trade for short-term gain or to figure out the next boom or bust in the stock
market. This formula will eliminate stocks that are cyclical and have
produced inconsistent financial results over the last 10 years.
Question15:
WhydoIuse3%asadiscountrate?Itstoolow.Ibelieve,theinflation
rateis3.5%-4.5%.Wouldntthatbeabetterbenchmark?
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Yes, the 3% is based on the current FD Rates offered by local banks in
Malaysia.
Personally, I use 6%. My friend, KC Lau would use 10% - 15%. Its up to the
individual investor. Thats why Ive built a template to allow you to play
around with it. Please use it or even amend it if you wish to best suit your
investment needs. There is no right or wrong answer to discount rates.
Question16:
ThenumberofsharesforPanasonicis60,746.Oddlotscannotbe
tradedonBursaMalaysia.
The exact figure is 60,746,000. There is no odd lots. The number of shares
listed in all stocks within the template are rounded to their nearest
thousands unless stated otherwise.
Question17:
Canweusecashflowfromoperationstocalculateintrinsicvalue
insteadofearnings?
Question18:
Iftheearningsarenotconsistentorcyclical,canweuseotherfigures
likecashflowinstead?
Usually, stocks that have good cash flow management are those that
produce consistent growth in earnings. If the earnings are not consistent, its
best not to perform the intrinsic value calculation for that particular stock.
The formula is meant for stocks that grow profits consistently.
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Question19:
Theintrinsicvalueisbasicallytheprojectedearningsoverthenext10
years.Doesitmeanthatweshouldbuyandholdastockforatleast10
yearstoallowstockpricetoappreciatefromitscurrentpricetoits
intrinsicvalue?
Question20:
WhydontBursaking.com.mycodeatemplatetocalculateintrinsic
value?
Fourth, its free and I can freely amend it if any user screw up the template.
So, if you need me to adjust the template for you, you may attach it and
email the template to me. Ill assist you in anyway I can.
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All in all, this digital book is attempted to be the ultimate guide on the
subject of intrinsic value for investors based in Malaysia and Singapore.
Hopefully, youve been blessed by it.
IanTai
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