Minutes

ASME PTC 19.5

FLOW MEASUREMENT

Online Meeting
Monday, 15 August 2016

1 P.M. til 3 P.M. [ET]

1. Call to Order – Paul Albert, Chair PTC 19.5

• Attendance:
Paul Albert – Chair
Fred Constantino – Staff Secretary
Chris Erwin – Guest
Jeffrey Foster
Dave Keyser
David Kuhny
James Nystrom
Francisco Saldarriaga
Phil Stacy
Richard Wakeland (part-time)

2. Potential New Member: Bill Murry, Chris Erwin

• Chris introduced himself on the call.

• Bill Murry was not available for the call, but has been in communication
with members, and plans to attend in the future to introduce himself.
• Fred to supply committee officers’ paperwork submitted regarding both
applicants.

3. Discussion on overall document organization:

• Table of Value for MFC/now PTC 19.5 orifice flow coefficient equation
developed by Kent/Richard will be included as an non-Mandatory Appendix
in PTC 19.5.
• The Extrapolation of flow coefficient obtain via a lab calibration will
become a separate section within PTC 19.5. Once a draft of this section
exists, the committee will decide to make a separate chapter (section) in
PTC 19.5 or an Appendix within PTC 19.5. Jim Nystrom, Phil Stacy and Paul
Albert agreed to work on drafting this section.

o Method of extrapolation – move section 4-13 and edit.

o Also to include in same appendix:

 Details on lab calibration requirements so move some content from
Section 7, define the repeatability, accuracy requirement of Lab,
number of calibration points, etc.
 Discuss reason for difference in slope of calibration versus reference
curve plus method to determine additional uncertainty for
extrapolation – use method in PTC 6 draft?
• Leave definition of a flow measurement device acceptance criteria
to the equipment code but define the methodology for determine
the average difference relative to reference curve and slope
agreement per above.

• For each flow measurement device, PTC 19.5 will define how to determine
to overall measurement uncertainty.

o Section leader to develop or ask for support to develop.

• Should certain sections reference MFC documents and mainly cover the
measurement uncertainty plus requirement to achieve certainty
uncertainty requirements.

o Section leader to review and recommend.

• Message is being sent to all PTC Chairs for verification that no PTC
documents require PTC 19.5 to cover Electromagnetic Flow Meters.
Feedback is being requested by Sept 12th so PTC 19.5 can finalize a decision
to remove Section 11 from the document.
4. Status of PTC 19.5 sections was reviewed:

• Section leads to review and report if draft section is ready for balloting.

• All latest drafts should be posted on the committee file share site.

• Recommended change liquid to fluid throughout whole document.

Foreword - Dave Keyser

Been revised – Latest draft 25 Jul 2016

Section 1 - Dave Keyser, Paul and Kent

Been revised – Latest draft 25 Jul 2016

Section 2 - Everyone
Section leads to review when other sections are finalized

Section 3 - Richard Wakeland

Ensure equations are correct:
MFC-3 equation 2-6 regarding equation 3-8.2
Review changes to equations 3-8.3, 3-8.4, and 3-8.5
Comparison of Table 3-11.3 to MFC 3
References to be reviewed
Latest Draft 06 Jun 2016

Section 4 - Phil Stacy

Latest Draft 25 Jul 2016
To confirm completion status

Section 5 - Kent Kenneally

Latest Draft 28 Jun 2016
To confirm completion status

Section 6 - Francisco Saldarriaga

Latest Draft 08 Aug 2016
To confirm completion status
Section 7 - Jim Nystrom
It was noted that hydraulically smooth seems undefined
Jim and Keith are reviewing section
Pressure piping and condenser are being reviewed
Jim to provided spreadsheet data
Throat tap nozzle velocity seems high
Latest Draft 25 Jul 2016

Section 8 - Francisco Saldarriaga

It was noted wording will be reduced in paragraphs 8-7, 8-8
Wording will be expanded on 8-9
It was recommended to look for a better graph cross section of flow set upstream
of venturi nozzle in Fig 8-8-1
It was questioned where to place pressure and temperature tap and noted that
Venturi is not represented
Dave Keyser will look into original figure files
Latest Draft 27 Jun 2016

Section 9 - Phil Stacy

Recommended to check alignment with PTC 11
Latest Draft 24 Jul 2016

Section 10 - Dave Kuhny

Latest Draft 22 Jun 2016
To confirm completion status

Section 11 - Dave Kuhny

It was recommended to check with chairs of other PTC committees to see if the
material of this section is still relevant
Paul and Fred to write to chairs
Should review against MFC-16

Section 12 & 13 - Phil Stacy

Latest Draft 24 Jul 2016
To confirm completion status
Section 13
To be incorporated into section 12

Section 14 - Arindam Banerjee

Arindam read through whole section and only had minor revisions
Latest Draft 01 Mar 2016
To confirm completion status

Section 15 - Dave Kuhny

Recommended to discuss with PTC 4.4, 6, 6.2, 22, 46, 51 for Coriolis meters
Draft revision required

Section 16 - Jeff Foster

Draft revision required

Non Mandatory Appendix A - Kent Keannelly

Kent provided a spreadsheet on Flange Tap and Corner Tap Tables MFC Orifice

Non Mandatory Appendix B - Jim Nystrom

Extrapolation of flow coefficient obtain via a lab calibration
Calibration data to be reviewed and extracted from other sections

5. Future Meetings:

• Monday 29 August 2016 at 1:00PM to 3:00pm

o Decide on Sections to discuss during the August 29th call
 Review Section 15 – Coriolis Mass Flow Meters

• Monday, 19 September 2016 at 1:00PM to 3:00pm