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Spoilers?
The wrath of khan is 40 years
old.
spock dies
Khan steals genesis and then
spock dies
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It was before Spock dies. He was pissed that Khan outsmarted him and
wouldn’t fight him like a man.
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[–] hippoofdoom [score hidden] 14 minutes ago

Actually, he was just hamming it up to make Khan THINK that he


had the upper hand. Him and Spock had their plan all worked out-
but then again he had just seen his fellow Captain-bro die and
Chekhov was possibly dead with blood shooting out of his head so he
was definitely peeved to say the least!
Best god damn Trek movie ever. Other movies have great points but
that one is just a gem beginning to end.
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[–] Dubbeth [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

You BASTARD.
I was saving Star Trek for my death bed
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[–] reedemerofsouls [score hidden] 26 minutes ago

This may shock you but not everyone has seen every movie made 40
years ago. That's not even the right spoiler so maybe not even you have
seen it.
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[–] WaitTilUSeeMyDick [score hidden] 8 minutes ago

Jesus dies in the Bible. Spoiler alert.


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[–] PerfectZeong [score hidden] 20 minutes ago

That's weird I mean he's been known for that intonation for years. Hes recorded
albums where he really hams it up hard and essentially makes them into
spoken word songs.
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[–] Opset [score hidden] 18 minutes ago

They're taking the piss. They know he does it, but its funnier to pretend he
doesnt because it works you up.
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[–] kahlzun [score hidden] 39 minutes ago

Can you imagine how totally paranoid and weird that would have sounded at the time?
Banning the use of a technology that doesn't exist yet.
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By then we had seen some limited use of the tech to CGI characters into movies whose
actors had died mid-production, so it wasnt entirely unknown or unforseen.
Once we got 'colorization' in the 80s, you could see the future where every pixel would
be malleable.
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[–] PerfectZeong [score hidden] 16 minutes ago

Eh I'm sure he saw how other artists who had died had their likenesses exploited, like
Apple ads for instance. Seeing as he didnt want that to happen he made it so it's
absolutely impossible.
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[–] curahee5656 [score hidden] 48 minutes ago

Well, he did leave us Salad Dressing, really good dressing.


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[–] chevymonza [score hidden] 18 minutes ago

Paul Newman's Will expressly forbids it.


{{{{sigh}}}} We need to get a lawyer on this and find the loophole in Newman's will.
Something about being over the maximum threshold of good looks for such a directive. His
likeness needs to be preserved for future generations to swoon over.
As for Shatner, what year did he digitize himself exactly?
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Shatner, 87, is about to publish a memoir. In one passage, he writes of having his
body reproduced in VR – “everything necessary to enable technicians to make my
image move and speak realistically”.
“Because of that image,” he jokes, “Shatner will now ‘live’ forever.”
So somewhere between 2016 and now.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/aug/31/a-screaming-nightmare-william-
shatner-boldly-goes-into-vr
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[–] chevymonza [score hidden] 7 minutes ago

UGH wtf. Another example of how technology is actually turning against us!!
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[–] thegreedyturtle 53 points 1 hour ago*

I gotta hijack the top comment to mention that Alice Cooper collaborated with Salvador Dali in
a hologram. There's a hologram of him singing into a Dali sculpture.
Edit: oops, it wasn't Zappa, it was Alice Cooper. Still cool...
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[–] Ionisation [score hidden] 31 minutes ago

Another cool fact is that FZ was the first one to discover/sign Alice Cooper!
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[–] stanley604 [score hidden] 28 minutes ago

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Deep Purple, too.


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[–] Ionisation [score hidden] 24 minutes ago

Nah, I don't think so...? You may be getting confused with "Smoke on the Water"
being written about a fire at a Zappa gig.
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[–] BasX 24 points 2 hours ago

It truly is refreshing! Pretty dang awesome!


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[–] Jay_Louis [score hidden] 26 minutes ago

One other area that Frank Zappa was ahead of his time was in regards to ramming it up
your poop shoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf6Nc_saktQ
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[–] Drinkycrow84 [score hidden] 16 minutes ago

Was he singing you're an asshole or urine asshole?


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[–] antiquemule [score hidden] 16 minutes ago

I would prefer to mention the fact that he was influenced by Edgar Varèse and Igor
Stravinsky. Something no other rock musician can claim. And that he conducted the
London Philharmonic Orchestra playing his own works. At one point, they all had to
blow up paper bags and burst them. They thought it was hilarious.
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[–] quack_salsa 1 point 2 hours ago

real life copying south park again smh my head get original
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[–] liam_ashbury 12 points 1 hour ago

Other way around. The Tupac hologram tour predated the episode by two years, and I
don't know if it even was the first.
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[–] DmT_LaKE 11 points 1 hour ago

lol?
I think you uh...
Nvm.....
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[–] colonelphorbins 11 points 1 hour ago

Lol out loud


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[–] lucasplos 3 points 1 hour ago

RIP in peace

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[–] RegisterFlexOffender 667 points 3 hours ago

This makes me really happy. Frank is a legend. Dweezil is great too.


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[–] jamespsherlock 48 points 1 hour ago

Do you all know Dweezil and Moon were totally against this? Ahmet pretty much split the
whole family apart over this and other estate things
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[–] scro-hawk [score hidden] 50 minutes ago

Ahmet, at the behest of Gail.


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[–] DGer [score hidden] 29 minutes ago

Just out of curiousity do you know why they’re against it when the man himself seems to
have been into the idea?
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[–] Roller_ball [score hidden] 14 minutes ago

Not OP, but I'm basically against anything Ahmet does. He is everything his dad hated
about the music industry and even sued his own brother, Dweezil Zappa, for using the
name Zappa.
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[–] willflameboy [score hidden] 3 minutes ago

Additionally, Frank would be very proud of Dweezil's hard work keeping the legacy
intact. Ahmet suing for Dweezil not to tour under his own name is beyond petty. As
a long term Zappa fan, I hate this hologram idea, and with the best will in the
world, Zappa's 'holographic tv' ambition, by his own admission, was pie in the sky
and an idea without any knowledge behind it.
Dweezil is a musician worthy of the name; Ahmet and the rest of the estate are
just cashgrabbers, like Hendrix and Marley's estates before them. I liked Ahmet; I
even have the album he and Dweez recorded, but if you cared about your dad's
legacy you'd be proud of Dweezil, not trying to shut him down.
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[–] HUNGRY_COCKASAURUS [score hidden] 3 minutes ago

I love that Dweezil changed his tour name from "Zappa Plays Zappa" to "Dweezil
Zappa plays whatever the f@%k he wants: The Cease and Desist Tour" after Ahmet
pulled all that silly shit.
I have a guitar autographed by both Dweezil and Ahmet. I get the feeling the only
place their signatures will be together again will be on court documents.
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[–] the_marx [score hidden] 11 minutes ago

the whole family is fucked up tbh. sucks bc zappa is the best popular musician of the
twentieth century.
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Ah, I was wondering why Dweezil was not mentioned at all in the article.
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[–] diegojones4 96 points 2 hours ago

I'll certainly go if I can. It's perfect.


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[–] Marmite_Badger [score hidden] 15 minutes ago

Reddit family outing?


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[–] interpretivepants [score hidden] 3 minutes ago

Sorry bud, mom and I could only get tickets for us and your brother! But we've got
some hot pockets thawing in the sink for you. Have fun!
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[–] BasX 31 points 2 hours ago

Fucking right he was a legend and Dweezil was good shit too
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[–] bolanrox 55 points 2 hours ago

The fact he can play what Frank Wrote, and then be able to improv like him is mind
blowing.
Then you find out that he did it all by ear, and cant read music at all, and only has low
level music theory knowledge.
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[–] BasX 17 points 2 hours ago

Yep which is truly amazing


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[–] bolanrox 9 points 2 hours ago

plus the style is so outside of his normal stuff. The man has skills no doubt about it.
and from every interview i have ever seen with him is down right humble and
awesome.
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[–] Adolf_-_Hipster [score hidden] 35 minutes ago

It's almost like music theory isn't a val...... Never mind, wrong hill to die on.
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[–] bolanrox [score hidden] 32 minutes ago

reading music for outside of say classical or orchestral gigs? not really needed.
But basic theory, yeah thats useful as fuck depending on what you play.
I got by on feel and blind luck, but it definitely hurt when improving solos and
whatever. chords and melodies i was fine going by ear.
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[–] Th3Hon3yBadg3r [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

You just need to find the One! Ask James Brown.


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[–] bolanrox [score hidden] 14 minutes ago

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damn straight
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[–] antiquemule [score hidden] 13 minutes ago

Good luck playing some of Frank Zappa's music without a solid background.
Even classically trained musicians are challenged by the most complex works.
In the end Frank preferred to record them on Synclavier so that he didn't have
to trust a human to get it right.
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[–] bolanrox [score hidden] 11 minutes ago

i don't disagree, but umm look at Dweezil? He learned it all by ear listening
to the tapes.
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[–] the_marx [score hidden] 10 minutes ago

Music theory is definitely important, lol


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[–] tacknosaddle [score hidden] 28 minutes ago

There's a very good tribute band called Project Object that also plays with some Zappa alum
who are really fun to see. I've seen Dweezil too but in either case seeing Zappa's music played
live is awesome.
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[–] take5b [score hidden] 18 minutes ago

Are they still around? I've seen 'em a bunch of times years ago, including with Zappa band
veterans Ike Willis, Napolean Murphy Brock and Don Preston. And heck yeah it's a good
time.
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[–] tacknosaddle [score hidden] 14 minutes ago

When I just looked at the site they have December 2018 dates but they all look pretty
close to where they live (NJ) so not really a "tour" if you're not close to them.
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[–] DonnoDoes [score hidden] 11 minutes ago

Yes. On tour right now, as well.


I’d planned on seeing them last Thursday, but had to stay in.
It appears Ike Willis is not on this tour, but Napoleon Murphy Brock is.
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[–] rapemybones [score hidden] 9 minutes ago

I actually don't know how to feel about this because of my love for Frank and Dweezil. I
discovered Frank's work later in life, and missed on opportunities to see Dweezil's Zappa Plays
Zappa shows that recently ended.
But following Dweezil opened my eyes to the treachery of Gail and Ahmet, and their many
(eventually successful) attempts to run Dweezil out of his career.

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Dweezil is enormously talented, there's so much of Frank in him. And he just wanted to pass
on Frank's music to a generation of music lovers who never got to witness Frank's music live.
But the Zappa estate led by Ahmet and Gail sued him because he was selling fucking merch
and they weren't getting a cut of it. After all the decades of hard work unsupported by the
family, fueled by the love of spreading music to the masses.
Now I see why they wanted Dweezil to stop so much. They couldn't have two Zappa tours at
once. Very shameless that Dweezil isn't included (not that he wants to be, I'm sure).
But I love Napoleon Murphy Brock, and it's been a dream of mine to see him perform Frank's
songs live. So I'm very confused as to whether I'd dare support this or not. My soul needs
more of this music and more of Frank in it, but my heart is screaming "no"
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[–] mommarun 480 points 2 hours ago

It’s cool how out there Frank was and that he didn’t even use drugs.
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[–] bolanrox 403 points 2 hours ago

more than didn't use. hated them..


but thought people should be able to do what ever they want in their own homes as long as
they were not hurting anyone else.
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[–] Shrekquille_Oneal 258 points 1 hour ago

Yeah from what I've heard the whole "Zappa was Hardline against drugs" mostly came
from him forbidding people that worked with him on tour from using. It's not that he
necessarily cared what they did with themselves, it's more that he cared about the music
so much he didn't want any unnecessary variables messing it up, which is pretty fair, just
out of place in the music industry.
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[–] bolanrox 75 points 1 hour ago

He was very pro do what you want at home (drugs, weird sex, whatever), but in life /
especially in his band it was a no no.
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[–] Ionisation [score hidden] 34 minutes ago

Pretty much -
“A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes in when people
who take drugs treat them like a license to behave like an asshole.” - FZ
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[–] D35TR0Y3R 30 points 1 hour ago

Famous "out there" jazz artist Sun Ra did the same with his band
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[–] Farts_McGee [score hidden] 22 minutes ago

Wait, sun ra was sober?!


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[–] SlieuaWhally [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

Ikr, this can't be true haha


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[–] DesperateSomewhere [score hidden] 34 minutes ago

he would even book his band in a separate hotel from himself on occasion.
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[–] tacknosaddle [score hidden] 25 minutes ago

I saw some old concert footage where some guy comes dancing up the aisle to the
stage and offers him a bong. I forget exactly what he said but it was basically that the
guy shouldn't be doing that shit so it was pretty clear that he thought ill of them
beyond fucking up his band.
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Other than caffeine and nicotine (and a lot of it)


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[–] marklarnomnomnom 41 points 2 hours ago

Actually, he didn't drink (very often). He all but mainlined coffee and cigarettes though.
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[–] xfritz5375 12 points 2 hours ago

I thought he did, I took it out


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[–] spoderm [score hidden] 38 minutes ago

The notable thing is that coffee and cigarettes don't really have the ability to impair
you from playing music
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[–] marklarnomnomnom [score hidden] 35 minutes ago

Smoking gives me the spins so I can't play immediately after smoking, but then
again I'm not a regular smoker. Also caffeine isn't good for singing if you're a
vocalist but you're right, they won't impair you like a lot of other drugs and for the
kind of music that Frank wrote you need to be really sharp (or flat, or natural-
depending) to pull it off.
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[–] High_Speed_Idiot [score hidden] 19 minutes ago

the kind of music that Frank wrote you need to be really sharp (or flat, or
natural- depending) to pull it off.
I think "on pitch" is what you're looking for. Being out of tune is never a good
thing.
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[–] cannonfunk [score hidden] 14 minutes ago

Smoking gives me the spins so I can't play immediately after smoking, but
then again I'm not a regular smoker.
As a longtime smoker (who quit 5-6 years ago), once you become addicted, you
don't feel any sort of buzz or lightheadedness from smoking.
Once you're addicted, nicotine intake makes you feel normal. When you don't
have nicotine you feel agitated and antsy, and smoking a cigarette is like

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scratching an itch that's been driving you crazy.


Don't smoke, kids. I haven't had a cig in years, but I'm still chewing nicotine
gum & using the patch. It's a curse that never goes away, even if you think
you've beat it.
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[–] Slid61 [score hidden] 26 minutes ago

"This cigarette isn't a drug. This is food to me"


-FZ
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[–] xfritz5375 [score hidden] 23 minutes ago

Exactly
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[–] dkyguy1995 [score hidden] 33 minutes ago

Same goes for his contemporary and childhood friend Captain Beefheart who didn't allow his
band to use drugs when writing and producing Trout Mask Replica, the most acid trip of a
record ever produced.
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[–] reficulmi [score hidden] 19 minutes ago

Captain Beefheart sounds like a sober person trying to make acid music
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[–] dkyguy1995 [score hidden] 16 minutes ago

He's the dopest I cannot recommend Beefheart enough Lick My Decals Off, Shiny
Beast, Clear Spot, Safe as Milk, Doc at the Radar Station, there's so much material to
absorb and it's all pretty different from each other
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[–] moscowrules [score hidden] 6 minutes ago

All are great, but if someone’s new to CBH, I think Safe As Milk is a good place to
start.
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[–] Jerring [score hidden] 29 minutes ago

TIL; Frank Zappa didn't use drugs or alcohol just smoked cigarettes and drank coffee.
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[–] cannonfunk [score hidden] 21 minutes ago

He said he smoked weed once or twice, but it just gave him a headache.
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[–] cbsx01 [score hidden] 19 minutes ago

You are what you is.


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A co-worker of mine worked some Zappa shows in the late 70's/early 80's, and he told me
that Zappa's dressing room constantly had marijuana smoke spilling out of it.
He said, "I know everyone says that he didn't smoke weed or do drugs, but it seemed pretty
obvious to me that he was getting high in there."
Who knows. Maybe it was just the groupies he was hanging out with who were smoking, but
apparently Frank's "intolerance" towards drugs wasn't too strong.
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[–] StillMind2010 [score hidden] 21 minutes ago

Woah, I didn't know that about him. +100 Respect


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[–] ReadItWithSarcasm [score hidden] 19 minutes ago

Wait...
Really????
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[–] RaspberryDaydream 103 points 1 hour ago*

While it's an interesting way of phrasing Frank's attunement to technological advancements


especially in the fields of audio and video production, it should be known that this is indeed a
fairly shameless cash grab scheme by one of Frank's own out of touch sons. Ahmet has done
much within his power to keep Frank's music out of the hands of just about everyone (including
Frank's other son and ahmets own brother). Knowing frank and his music I feel that although he
was an advocate for this type of advancement I don't think he would have been satisfied with the
mechanisms with which it was achieved.
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[–] DBDude 46 points 1 hour ago

He would be overjoyed if the son was doing it for the sake of art, but this, not so much.
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[–] RaspberryDaydream 39 points 1 hour ago

See, that's why people get so excited by Frank's other son, Dweezil who certainly is
performing it for the love of his fathers music. Personally I'm not a huge fan per se just
because Im not a huge fan of the whole cover act thing, but that being said I think his
dad's legacy was so huge and complex that it's more permissible to dedicate your musical
career to performing it, and he's such an amazingly talented and down to earth guy that I
have nothing but respect for him and I know frank must have been hugely proud of him.
Ahmet though... It's so just weird to see the son of man who was so hugely anti-corporate,
anti-sell out and anti-mainstream miss the point so completely and ironically.
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[–] bolanrox 4 points 1 hour ago

truthfully he would rather Dweezil tour for Shampoo Poodle.


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[–] Warchamp67 [score hidden] 57 minutes ago

As someone posted above it appears the siblings have worked through their differences as per
dweezils website
https://www.dweezilzappa.com/posts/1983868-good-news

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[–] RaspberryDaydream [score hidden] 39 minutes ago

Hmmm, interesting, I hadn't heard this. I'm hopeful that they will begin allowing dweezil to
perform his dad's music again without all those ridiculous strings attached...
In any case, the hologram tour is an ahmet production through and through, and while he
may be one of Frank's kin but I don't necessarily trust his vision of his dad's legacy as I do
dweezils.
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[–] bolanrox 8 points 1 hour ago

how about all of the tape rotting in the vaults that they wont let any one preserve?
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[–] RaspberryDaydream 6 points 1 hour ago

Yeah man it's a fucking shame, I'm surprised we actually got a Roxy movie AND the full
shows to boot. I thought I was going to die having never seen them lol. Aren't they being
a little more flexible with Alex winter though since he's working on that documentary?
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[–] bolanrox 6 points 1 hour ago

i have been out of the loop... seriously your shitting me?? we finnaly get to see
penguin in bondage on television like Frank promised?
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[–] RaspberryDaydream [score hidden] 43 minutes ago

Woah dude you haven't heard?? It's not comprehensive by any means, but an hour
and a half movie was released in 2016, the Roxy movie. It is absolutely incredible,
I'm sure you could cop a cheap copy on Amazon somewhere.
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[–] antsugi [score hidden] 13 minutes ago

Frank always said he made his music for himself first and foremost, so if they don't release it,
that's fine. Just a bummer for fans who want to hear it all.
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[–] BasX 179 points 2 hours ago

Frank was a legend


“As a futurist, and hologram enthusiast, Frank fearlessly broke through boundary after
boundary as an artist and in honoring his indomitable spirit we’re about to do it again, 25
years after his passing,” Zappa’s son and co-trustee of the Zappa Family Trust Ahmet Zappa
said in a statement.
“This mind-melting show we’re putting together celebrates the music, often surreal imagery
and humor synonymous with Frank. We will be pushing the limits of what anyone has seen
holographically on stage before in a live venue. Circumstances, objects, places and subject
matter from Frank’s songs and imagination will be brought to life for the first time on stage.
We are anthropomorphizing Frank’s music, so his own hand drawn illustrations, classic imagery
from his album artwork and characters from his songs can all interact and perform on stage.”
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The dude set the tone for so much of the music industry. He bought Sony's first digital
recorder (not the first model- like the first one) and was one of the first artists to really
embrace the CD format.
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[–] TyCooper8 5 [score hidden] 13 minutes ago

I've never been interested in going to a hologram concert before, but this really does seem
like it would be the definitive hologram concert experience. How much better does it get than
an artist who had the foresight to record one almost 50 years ago? That's so cool.
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[–] onjefferis 27 points 2 hours ago

I can do about an hour on the Tower of Power.


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[–] fartivity [score hidden] 42 minutes ago

As long as i get a little golden shower


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[–] SmellThisMilk [score hidden] 34 minutes ago

Oh, god I am the American dream!


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[–] gigo36 47 points 2 hours ago

Aaaaand tickets start at $550.


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[–] PeterVeneto [score hidden] 32 minutes ago

For real? I can't even find dates online rn, I hope it's semi affordable
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[–] dionisio_vivo [score hidden] 38 minutes ago

Just close your eyes and grimace when you click purchase. That’s what I’m doing.
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[–] ausernameitis 54 points 2 hours ago

Fuck off Ahmet! You're only in it for the money!


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[–] bolanrox 22 points 2 hours ago

its phase 2 after all. phase one was fucking Dweezil over
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[–] JacPhlash 18 points 1 hour ago

According to Dweezil's website things have been smoothed over and they're working as a
family again. I, for one, am very happy to hear this.
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[–] bolanrox 2 points 1 hour ago

short of coming to blows i didnt think it could have gotten any worse.
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[–] Super_SATA 7 points 2 hours ago

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I'm out of the loop. Could you explain?


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[–] bolanrox 26 points 1 hour ago

TLDR Gail died - the two youngest kids took over the Trust. They they strong armed
Dweezil into stopping doing Zappa plays Zappa, remove any image of Frank form anything,
not even sure if he could say Zappa(?) in the end.
Dweezil ended up doing a Cease and Desist tour that eventually got renamed Dweezil
plays whatever the fuck he wants tour.
He already paid his mother a ton of money to be able to play Franks music, and that was a
long standing agreed amount, and then his silbing basically wanted all of the money.
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[–] Ftove [score hidden] 30 minutes ago

TLDR: Dweezil is all about the music and his father's legacy. Ahmet is all about the
money. Gail Zappa pulled a sleazy move gave Ahmet control before she died, even
though Dweezil is the one who actually can play the music and loves it. Ahmet wasn't
allowing Dweezil to even use his family name and started a shitty merchandising
model, effectively becoming the antithesis of everything his father stood for. It's almost
Shakespearean.
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[–] cbsx01 6 points 1 hour ago

The meek shall inherit nothing.


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[–] bolanrox 45 points 2 hours ago

fucking Gail and Diva and Ahmet...


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[–] RogerAmchip 34 points 2 hours ago

I remember the earlier days of YouTube where no Zappa stuff could be found because Gail
controlled it like a Nazi.
Cease and desist orders for everyone!
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[–] bolanrox 11 points 2 hours ago

she was worse than Prince? if that shit is even possible


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[–] curahee5656 [score hidden] 46 minutes ago

It's true. I was humming a little Zappa ditty in the shower, got served with papers
when I got out.
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[–] RogerAmchip 12 points 1 hour ago

You literally couldn't even perform a Zappa song without permission. In practice, of
course, how was she going to know unless you advertised or uploaded it to YouTube?
but if she did find out, you would get a cease and desist.
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Her reasoning was along the lines of, if it wasn't similar enough, or as good as, the
actual Zappa version, it was an inaccurate representation of his work, and didn't do
him justice. The comparison made was like if someone painted their version of
something like a Van Gogh, then said it was a Van Gogh piece.
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[–] ReadItWithSarcasm [score hidden] 16 minutes ago

My band had a video of us doing Little Red Corvette in TouTube.


It took a while, but right before Prince died, we got the C&D notification to take it
down.
It maybe had 100 views, if that.
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[–] MpVpRb 24 points 1 hour ago

Go see Dweezil instead


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[–] repotxtx [score hidden] 44 minutes ago

The Zappa Plays Zappa shows are great and probably the best representation of Frank you can
get at this point. If Dweezil ends up being involved, I will consider it, but otherwise I'll pass.
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[–] oinkyboinky [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

Project/Object is also quite good if they come to your area. They always have at least a
couple original Zappa players with them, often Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Denny
Walley, etc. Saw them last week and they were spot on even without Ike this time (he is in
Europe w/ a different band).
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[–] tacknosaddle [score hidden] 18 minutes ago

Project Object are also a very good tribute band who have Zappa alum playing with them.
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[–] the_twilight_bard [score hidden] 37 minutes ago

This is put on by Ahmet Zappa and the family estate. I encourage you all to read about what is
going on here. The only member of Zappa's family that can actually play his music is his son,
Dweezil, a stellar guitarist. He's been doing cover shows of his dad's music until his fucking
brother and sister sued for him to stop, claiming he was infringing on his dad's copyright. Dweezil
had to rename all his shit to still play.
Now the estate put this show together and got some old Zappa players, but no Dweezil. It's a
travesty that those fuckers can't make up, but as much as I'd love to see this I feel like Dweezil
got the raw end and I could not support what is essentially a money-grab. A huge bummer
because I'd be pumped to see it.
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[–] DrTushfinger 10 points 1 hour ago

Who exactly are you trying to jive with this cosmic debris?

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[–] bolanrox 6 points 1 hour ago

i bet its a sears hologram and not a real hologram


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[–] cbsx01 [score hidden] 47 minutes ago

Too bad it's a hologram because it won't be able to enjoy the pancake breakfast at St.
Alfonzo's.
But then again he can't kill your mamma with his guitar.
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[–] bolanrox [score hidden] 45 minutes ago

but he did teach me about the tacky little pamphlets in my fathers bottom drawer
though!
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[–] cbsx01 [score hidden] 28 minutes ago

He taught me that me, being a Disco Boy, I need to check my shoulder because
some dandruff might be hiding there and if you shake it more than three times,
you're playing with it.
Also, more importantly, how to get a cum from the Dinah Moe Humm.
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[–] tuscabam 6 points 2 hours ago

Ha so you were listening to channel 8 after Valley Girl this morning too!
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[–] herpty_derpty [S] 7 points 2 hours ago

Yep, shout out to Mark Goodman for this one.


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[–] NOT_A_RUSSIANBOT 5 points 2 hours ago

"Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie
Dream" by David McGowan
You've been lied to.
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[–] marklarnomnomnom 9 points 1 hour ago

I guess if you don't actually have any musical talent like your brother cashing in on daddy's
likeness is the next best thing. I'm sure Frank would be proud of how independent and creative
this blatant cash grab is. Also Frank never said he wanted holographs to replace him or musicians
on tour, if you read the excerpt from his book, he had envisioned it as a standalone invention
separate from his musical ventures. Given his well-known disdain for musical "phonies" I think it's
safe to say he would have considered this a bastardization of his ideas.
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[–] eddthered86 4 points 1 hour ago

PSA: Pepper’s Ghosts are not holograms.


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[–] bolanrox 2 points 1 hour ago

absolutely correct
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[–] legendoflink3 10 points 2 hours ago

Moon Unit still hasn't caught on.


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[–] bolanrox 12 points 2 hours ago

Moon and Dweezil are not exactly seeing eye to eye (and thats pointing it very nicely) with
their younger siblings over Frank's Music.
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[–] Eliju 16 points 2 hours ago

You can say it. She’s a twat, just like her mother. They wouldn’t even let Dweezil have a
certain guitar of Franks’s because they wanted to sell it for money. They have no damn
talent themselves and seem entitled to make money off of something they had no part in
creating. I’m sure Frank would be disgusted by it since he openly stated he wanted people
to play his music.
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[–] bolanrox 3 points 2 hours ago

He also told Gail on his death bead to sell everything and leave California and the
music business.
D and Moon Unit at least were able to get on with Gail. but Diva and Ahmet have been
total pricks since she died and left them in charge of the trust
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[–] RogerAmchip 6 points 2 hours ago

And he said, in a late interview that he doesn't care if anyone remembers him.
Definitely kills Gail's old arguement for preventing people from even playing a
Zappa song in public without permission.
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[–] to_the_tenth_power 3 points 2 hours ago

“This mind-melting show we’re putting together celebrates the music, often surreal imagery
and humor synonymous with Frank. We will be pushing the limits of what anyone has seen
holographically on stage before in a live venue. Circumstances, objects, places and subject
matter from Frank’s songs and imagination will be brought to life for the first time on stage.
We are anthropomorphizing Frank’s music, so his own hand drawn illustrations, classic imagery
from his album artwork and characters from his songs can all interact and perform on stage.”
“The Bizarre World of Frank Zappa Hologram Tour” will also make extensive use of never-
before-seen 1974 footage of Zappa in his Los Angeles rehearsal space, which he turned into a
soundstage for an audience-less performance captured only by camera operators. That footage
remained in the Zappa vault for 44 years before it was unearthed for the hologram tour.
“My father and I actively discussed 3D and ‘holography’ and it was a concept he actively
engaged in. He actually devoted half a chapter of his The Real Frank Zappa Book to this
subject. This is a love letter and a journey celebrating the genius artistry of Frank Zappa. On a
personal note, I feel like I am finishing something my father started years ago,” Ahmet Zappa
added. “And let’s not forget, Frank himself will be rocking his fans, alongside his bandmates
like nobody’s business.”
That sounds absolutely incredible.

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[–] cbsx01 3 points 1 hour ago

Are the catholic girls going to be holograms too?


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[–] bolanrox 1 point 1 hour ago

in a leather teddy? yeah right hurt me hurt me, gag me with a spoon
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[–] fuckmeimdan [score hidden] 18 minutes ago

I wish I could find the link to the video where he talks about getting music via your phone and
cutting out labels completely, paying a monthly fee to have all music available through your
phone. He was way ahead of his time
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[–] LBJsPNS 19 points 2 hours ago

Having seen FZ multiple times during his lifetime, dating back to the OG MOI, I have no desire to
see a holographic tour. I'm sure it will be great, and for those who never had the opportunity, go
see it. But there's little things like coming back for an encore, saying "Someone in the audience
had the audacity to request Caravan with a drum solo," then launching the band into an
impromptu rendition of Caravan, with said drum solo, that a completely scripted holographic show
won't ever be able to capture.
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[–] thisguyknowswhtsup 22 points 2 hours ago

I hear you dad, but you're not going to fuck up our fun again.
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[–] SwansonHOPS 3 points 1 hour ago

. . . surely you mean a drum sola


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[–] LBJsPNS 5 points 1 hour ago

I stand corrected.
"Ladies and gentlemen... Watch Ruth."
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[–] chilejon 2 points 2 hours ago

http://www.zappamovie.com/about
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[–] winkelschleifer 2 points 1 hour ago

who could forget those classic tunes ... Mud Shark ... Funky Little Jewish Princess ... Sheik
Yerbouti. we miss you Frank, RIP.
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[–] cbsx01 [score hidden] 46 minutes ago

LOVE your nails.


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[–] Gamzu 2 points 1 hour ago

There is a hologram of Frank Zappa at the Salvador Dali museum in St. Petersburg Florida.
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[–] Pixygon [score hidden] 51 minutes ago*

Last monday, I released an app I’ve worked on for a year(not counting sleepless nights) I am
incredibly proud of it, and hopefully it will bring us one step closer to what Zappa wanted! Check
out Holopipe! AR AND VR-app, letting users upload their own content, music, 3d, images and
more. Share it with the world...
My hope is to separate us from media in 2D, and let users stand in the center of the art, with it all
around them...
Creativity unleashed from the confines of the square! :D
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[–] Playisomemusik [score hidden] 22 minutes ago

That's it. I'm moving to montana


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[–] kylenigga 1 point 2 hours ago

This is an ad
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[–] bolanrox 2 points 2 hours ago

thats rolling stone for you


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[–] MagicPanties 1 point 2 hours ago

Yay, huge fan!


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[–] Youredoingitwrongbro 1 point 2 hours ago

fuck yeah, Frank!!!! we ready!


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[–] StinkChair 1 point 1 hour ago*

Zappa following in Starburns' footsteps.


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[–] Mushabon 1 point 1 hour ago

Okay... I'm excited about a hologram tour now


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[–] dUFTE 1 point 1 hour ago

Motherfucker...
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[–] Foxmondt 1 point 1 hour ago

I've never much cared for Frank Zappa. I like his work fine, just indifferent. But this makes me
wanna see it. :)
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[–] Darth_dxVxb 1 point 1 hour ago

Futurist actually were more into going fast and being left.
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That is awesome
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[–] ecphotoman [score hidden] 54 minutes ago

He also went to my junior college. Go Chaffey!!!


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[–] A_Level_2 [score hidden] 54 minutes ago

how zappaesque
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[–] NealonLedbetter [score hidden] 41 minutes ago

Visionary genius.
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[–] throw-ahhh-way [score hidden] 37 minutes ago

Too bad Gem and The Holograms beat him to it!


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[–] ubiquitouspiss [score hidden] 35 minutes ago

Dude has like 111 albums out rn, insane.


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[–] brotato48 [score hidden] 30 minutes ago

Are there any subs that talk about furturology? /r/Futurology is 60% global warming and 40% shit
that’s already around.
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[–] nuserwame [score hidden] 24 minutes ago*

Holy crap! I gotta go. I wonder how much tickets will be.
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[–] Blizzardnotasunday [score hidden] 24 minutes ago

the ads are growing smarter


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[–] tech405 [score hidden] 24 minutes ago

This will fail horribly. Everyone old brought to remember Frank Zappa is dead also!
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[–] transcendanttermite [score hidden] 24 minutes ago

Cheap Thrills is one of my favorite albums of all time.


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[–] TheKevinShow [score hidden] 20 minutes ago

This seems like as good a time as any to link to Frank Zappa verbally eviscerating Tipper Gore and
the PMRC.
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[–] weegee [score hidden] 19 minutes ago

Yet he never talked about it...hmmm. I’ll go to the show anyway regardless. I’m a die hard FZ fan.
Music is the best!
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[–] yandhi42069 [score hidden] 16 minutes ago

That's not what 'futurist' means.

https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/a5v2dm/til_frank_zappa_was_a_futurist_who_was/ 22/23
12/13/2018 TIL Frank Zappa was a futurist who was enthusiastic for the possibility of holographic imagery. So much so that he recorded footage of …

Also Frank Zappa was kind of a dick


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[–] cbsx01 [score hidden] 15 minutes ago

I wonder if, in the hologram, one of his legs is shorter than the other and both his feets too long.
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[–] Nabeshein [score hidden] 15 minutes ago

Isn't it a tomogram though? Afaik, the tech to make true holograms isn't feasible yet, requiring a
laser so powerful that it would blind anyone trying to view it.
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[–] EyeDontNeedGod [score hidden] 15 minutes ago

Not a fan of his music but I love his lifestyle, interviews, and thought process.
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[–] Halloween_Cake [score hidden] 15 minutes ago

Fun fact: he had an album with no words that had a parental advisory sticker on it.
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