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1 (INTERVIEW OF ALYSSA PICOTTE, #EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 CR INSPECTOR CHIEF RIDDICK
7 BB BRANDY BURNS
8 AP ALYSSA PICOTTE
9
10 CR: All right. Today's date is, um, May the 14th, 2018
11 and time is approximately 1:28 p.m. I'm Inspector
12 Chief Riddick of the Office of Executive
13 Investigations. Also present from OEI is Brandy
14 Burns [phonetic] . The location of this interview is
15 2300 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach, Florida. I
16 will be questioning Miss Alyssa Picotte as a witness
17 in an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-
18 26-0079. I am the inspector in charge of this
19 investigation. On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick
20 Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
21 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
22
23 Um, prior to beginning this interview, you should be
24 aware of the following: this interview is being
25 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
26 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
27 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
28 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
29 provide false statements, you can be criminally
30 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of
31 these items I've just informed you of?
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33 AP: Yes.
34
35 CR: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the
36 record, uh, reflect Miss Picotte has raised her
37 right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm the
38 information you're about to give today is the truth,
39 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help
40 you God?
41
42 AP: Yes.
43
44 CR: Okay. You can put that down now. Please state your
45 name, current place of employment, and how long
46 you've been there.
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48 AP: Uh, my name is Alyssa Picotte. I work at Coral
49 Springs Police Department Communications Center and
50 I've worked there just over three years.

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2 CR: Okay. Did you -- do you have prior communications
3 experience from somewhere else?
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5 AP: No.
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7 CR: Okay. Uh, do you have law enforcement experience
8 from anywhere else?
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10 AP: No.
11
12 CR: Okay. As a communications officer with, uh, Coral
13 Springs PD, what is your primary function?
14
15 AP: I am a -- a supervisor -- shift supervisor.
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17 CR: You're a shift supervisor?
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19 AP: Yes.
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21 CR: Okay. Um, take you straight to February 14th, 2018.
22 Um, I understand you were evening shift?
23
24 AP: Yes.
25
26 CR: Uh, when you got there, was it already going on --
27 what -- you know, tell me what you remember about
28 the incident at, uh, Stoneman Douglas.
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30 AP: Uh, yes. When I got there, um, I usually arrive to
31 shift about, like, 15 minutes early, somewhere
32 around there. Um, it was already starting. There
33 was, um, people everywhere. So I walk in and I see
34 my -- my supervisor -- the Communications Director,
35 Cathy --
36
37 CR: Uh-huh.
38
39 AP: -- and she informs me that we have an active shooter
40 at Douglas and I said, "Where do you need me?" and
41 she pointed at the main channel as backup to assist
42 the person on main channel.
43
44 CR: Okay. Um, what time do you normally get there?
45
46 AP: I usually arrive to work, uh, about 2:45.
47
48 CR: 2:45? And this had
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50 AP: Somewhere around there.

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2 CR: All right. So this had been going on maybe 20
3 minutes by the time you got there?
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5 AP: Yes.
6
7 CR: Is that the first time you had heard what was going
8 on at -- at Douglas?
9
10 AP: Yes.
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12 CR: Okay. Um, some of this is -- is obviously, probably
13 not gonna -- you're not gonna know the answer to,
14 but I -- I'm still gonna ask it. Do you know who
15 dispatched the first law enforcement unit to MSD?
16
17 AP: No.
18
19 CR: Okay. Do you know how the first call came in or
20 anything about how Coral Springs found out about
21 this?
22
23 AP: No.
24
25 CR: Okay. Once you got there, what did -- what - what
26 was your function? What happened? What do you
27 remember doing, hearing?
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29 AP: Um, when I got there, I did answer a phone call.
30 Uh, some -- there was a 911 ringing.
31
32 CR: Uh-huh.
33
34 AP: It happened to be from an elementary school telling
35 me that they're on code red. Um, after that, then
36 I, um, grabbed my headset and sat down on main
37 channel 'cause at that time, they didn't have
38 anybody assisting them.
39
40 CR: Uh-huh.
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42 AP: Um, and then from then on, I helped Jessica remain
43 calm. Um, I listened to the other -- what was going
44 on, on the radio, so I could assist her if she
45 didn't understand something.
46
47 CR: Okay.
48
49 AP: Um, and then if she had to take a restroom break, I
50 took over the channel for her.

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2 BB: And I'm curious, the way y'all's, um, setup is
3 designed. Y'all have, like, a trainer plugin?
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5 AP: Yes.
6
7 BB: Okay.
8
9 AP: We have two plug ins per --
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11 BB: Gotcha.
12
13 AP: -- person and then you can have a trainer plugin.
14
15 BB: Okay -- okay.
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17 CR: Um, so you're hearing everything she's hearing
18 simultaneously?
19
20 AP: Yes.
21
22 CR: And if you're talking, you're talking real-time?
23
24 AP: Yes.
25
26 CR: Okay. Um, did you hear -- hear -- were there any
27 issues with the communications as far -- calling
28 people, not being able to get them? Anything more
29 than we know -- you know, how -- how -- when you
30 have a lot of people out or a lot of cops on scene -
31
32
33 AP: Uh-huh.
34
35 CR: you try and call somebody and they finally answer
36 but did you have any communications issues?
37
38 AP: No.
39
40 CR: Okay. Were you able to hear everybody good and --
41
42 AP: Yeah.
43
44 CR: -- and, as far as you know, they could hear you?
45
46 AP: Yes.
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48 CR: Okay. Were they already patched when you got there?
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50 AP: Yes.

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2 CR: Okay. All right. Um, well, let me back up. I know
3 they patched Fire real early. Was law enforcement
4 already patched when you got there?
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6 AP: Yes. Law enforcement was already patched.
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8 CR: Both was --
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10 AP: Yes.
11
12 CR: Okay. All right. Do you remember or recall having
13 conversations with any of the BSO units through the
14 patch, either you or, uh, Jessica for that matter?
15
16 AP: I don't recall.
17
18 CR: Okay.
19
20 AP: There was so much talking.
21
22 CR: Um, do you remember any of them saying anything
23 about, you know, having issues talking to you or
24 anything like that?
25
26 AP: No.
27
28 CR: Okay. A whole lot of 10-9s, repeat, or anything
29 I don't know if that's y'all's -- that was ours.
30
31 AP: Um, no.
32
33 CR: (Unintelligible) .
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35 AP: I didn't, you know, recall hearing too many 10-9s.
36
37 CR: Okay -- okay. Um, how was information being relayed
38 to BSO? Do you know?
39
40 AP: I know when I got there
41
42 CR: Uh-huh.
43
44 AP: -- through the patch, I believe, is how the
45 information was being relayed.
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47 CR: Okay.
48
49 AP: Whatever we knew at that point --
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1 CR: Okay. So --
2
3 AP: we were relaying through the radio.
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5 CR: As you got something, a 911 call, they gave you the
6 information?
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8 AP: They gave main channel the information.
9
10 CR: And main -- and main channel put it out so both
11 agencies -- or not just both, but everybody --
12 'cause that, now -- except for the one other PD that
13 has their own dispatcher, everybody and their cousin
14 was on these two channels?
15
16 AP: As far as I know, yes.
17
18 CR: Right, okay. Um, your secondary channel, police
19 info, what was it primarily used for that day?
20
21 AP: Um, mostly MSD as well.
22
23 CR: Okay.
24
25 AP: Um, if we
26
27 CR: Well, let me just -- as primary or -- or were people
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30 AP: As secondary.
31
32 CR: Uh-huh.
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34 AP: Um, as far as I know, most of the information that
35 was going on, on there, was also requesting
36 information for -- we were relaying the same
37 information that we were relaying on main channel.
38 Um, if there was a call, we were basically giving
39 out priority calls on info channel if they had to
40 dispatch somebody.
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42 CR: Oh, okay.
43
44 AP: But for the most part, it -- it was MSD that was
45 being talked about on two channels --
46
47 CR: All right.
48
49 AP: -- as well -- info channel.
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1 CR: So -- and you say if -- if there was a call that
2 needed to be dispatched, you're talking about a call
3 somewhere else in the city?
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5 AP: Correct.
6
7 CR: Some other law enforcement response --
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9 AP: Correct.
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11 CR: or fire -- or, well, that would be law enforcement
12 response (unintelligible)?
13
14 AP: Correct.
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16 CR: Um, do you -- I know you say you answered one of the
17 911 calls -- do you know anything about any issues
18 with the incoming 911 calls? Did you experience
19 anything yourself?
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21 AP: No.
22
23 CR: Okay. Is that the only call you took that day, was
24 that one?
25
26 AP: Um, I took that and then I answered one of our call-
27 takers coming in. She was asking what was going on.
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29 CR: Uh-huh.
30
31 AP: I told her, "We need you. "
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33 CR: Okay. "Don't worry about it, just get here. "
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35 AP: That's what I said, basically.
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37 CR: Okay.
38
39 BB: "You'll find out. "
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41 CR: Right. Yeah. Um, all right. So -- so you wouldn't
42 have -- wouldn't know if something got bounced or
43 dropped or anything like that as far as the 9 --
44
45 AP: No.
46
47 CR: -- 911 system? Okay. Do you remember having very
48 many over-talking issues or anything like that as
49 far as the officers trying to -- everybody talk at
50 once?

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2 AP: I don't recall there being too much of that. There
3 was a lot of talking, but I don't recall there being
4 an issue of, like, people talking over each other.
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6 CR: Okay. So it sounded like not only were y'all able
7 to get their -- the information to them, but they
8 were talking to each other? They -- they were doing
9 it relatively good -- uh, successfully?
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11 AP: Yes.
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13 CR: Okay. Um, and you don't recall any transmission
14 issues as far as -- don't know if I can really ask
15 this, but, I'm sorry, I'm reading from my notes now
16 -- but there were no transmissions as far as when
17 you push the button, everything seemed to work like
18 it's supposed to?
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20 AP: That's that's correct.
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22 CR: Okay. Um, when it comes to -- to communications
23 training, does your agency have training in, you
24 know, a multi-jurisdictional response, is the polite
25 way to say it -- as far as if something like this
26 happened, had you been trained in how to deal with
27 this before?
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29 AP: Uh, yes.
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31 CR: Okay.
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33 AP: How to request agencies. Is that what you're
34 saying?
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36 CR: Yeah.
37
38 AP: Yes.
39
40 CR: And to deal with patches?
41
42 AP: Yes.
43
44 CR: And -- and -- okay. And how were you -- was that a
45 formalized training? OJT? A combination of both?
46 What?
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48 AP: We do it in house.
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50 CR: Okay.

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2 AP: So we have CTOs we train on how to do that.
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4 CR: Okay. Um, as a supervisor are you part of that
5 training or --
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7 AP: Yes.
8
9 CR: Okay. And you receive that training?
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11 AP: Yes.
12
13 CR: Do you remember the last time -- do you do it
14 annually, or biannually, or how often do you -- you
15 get that kind of training?
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17 AP: Um, we don't have, like, a set amount of -- like,
18 how often we do it.
19
20 CR: Okay.
21
22 AP: Just practice, I would say.
23
24 CR: Okay. Okay. Have you ever, uh, trained with a SWAT
25 team before? You know, they go out to practice
26 kicking in doors and -- and taking down this kind of
27 stuff. Have y'all ever trained in -- in, uh,
28 basically, a -- a major incident, um, like this
29 where you've got multiple -- everybody and their
30 cousin talking kinda thing?
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32 AP: I have not -- or I can't say if anybody else -- we
33 have SWAT dispatchers. I can't say if they have or
34 haven't.
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36 CR: Okay. So you have some dispatchers that are
37 specifically assigned to -- to SWAT?
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39 AP: SWAT. Yes.
40
41 CR: Okay. Do they have their own channel?
42
43 AP: Uh, we do have a SWAT channel.
44
45 CR: Okay. Were you using it that day?
46
47 AP: I don't know.
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49 CR: Okay. No problem. Uh, do -- uh, other than on air,
50 do you know if there -- uh, you know, your -- your

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1 police main, once it got patched, do you know if
2 anybody else was relaying information to BSO or any
3 other -- other agencies by a phone, text, anything
4 like that?
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6 AP: I don' t know.
7
8 CR: Okay. (Unintelligible).
9
10 BB: I can't think of anything.
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12 CR: Okay. Um, I'm trying -- just wanna make sure before
13 -- we may end up having to interview you and all the
14 other communications officer and half the PD again.
15
16 AP: Uh-huh.
17
18 CR: So don't think anything's wrong if you do hear from
19 us again. Okay?
20
21 AP: Okay.
22
23 CR: I appreciate you coming in.
24
25 AP: Of course.
26
27 CR: Uh, in regards to this investigation, is there
28 anything that I either failed to ask or anything
29 that you would like to add or clarify in your
30 statement today?
31
32 AP: Nope.
33
34 CR: Okay. Have you been promised anything in in
35 exchange for providing a statement today?
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37 AP: No.
38
39 CR: Okay. Has the information that you have provided
40 during this interview been the truth to the best of
41 your knowledge or recollection?
42
43 AP: Yes.
44
45 CR: This interview is concluded at approximately 1:39
46 p.m. on May the 14ili, 2008 [sic].
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48 (CONCLUSION OF INTERVIEW)
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DYLAN REDSHAW, #EI-26-0079, 6/14/18)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 DR DYLAN REDSHAW
9 RR RICK REDSHAW
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11 KR: All right. Today's date is 6/14/18 and it is
12 approximately 12:56 p.m. I am Inspector Keith Riddick
13 of the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
14 present at this time is Inspector Randy Brown. The
15 location of this interview is Parkland, Florida. I
16 will be questioning Ms. Dylan Redshaw as a witness in
17 an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-
18 0079. Present with Ms. Resh -- Redshaw is her father,
19 Rick Redshaw. I am the inspector in charge of this
20 investigation. Prior to beginning this interview, you
21 should be aware of the following. This interview is
22 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I
23 am empowered to adminis -- administer oaths and take
24 statements. In a moment I will be taking a sworn
25 statement from you. You will be under oath and if you
26 knowingly provide false statements you may criminally
27 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of these
28 items I've just informed you of? Please say yes if --
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30 DR: Yes.
31
32 KR: Okay. Yeah, um, please raise your right hand. Let
33 the record reflect Ms. Redshaw has raised her right
34 hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the
35 information you're about to give today is the truth,
36 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you
37 God?
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39 DR: Yes.
40
41 KR: Okay. Please give me your full name -- you can put
42 that down. I'm sorry. Your full name, the grade you
43 were in on February 14th 2018, and, um, how long
44 you've been -- were going -- have been at Marjory
45 Stoneman --
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47 DR: My middle name too?
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49 KR: It's up to you.
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1 DR: Okay. Dylan Redshaw. Um, I was in 11th grade and
2 I've been going there since my freshman year.
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4 KR: Okay. All right. So as a junior last school year,
5 you were, uh -- were you on campus on July [sic] 14th
6 2018? No, not July, uh --
7
8 DR: .February --
9
10 KR: -- February 14th.
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12 DR: Yes.
13
14 KR: Yes --
15
16 DR: Yes, yes.
17
18 KR: -- Valentine's Day. Okay. When did you first know
19 something was going on on the campus that afternoon?
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21 DR: So, I was in -- should I, like, mark?
22
23 KR: Yeah, yeah. Just go ahead
24
25 DR: Okay. So I was in 710 --
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
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29 DR: -- and then the fire bell -- the fire bell went off.
30 And we already had a fire drill. So -- well,
31 obviously I still thought it was a fire drill. So
32 everyone was like, all right, let's get out of the
33 my teacher was like -- well, at first everyone was
34 like, aw, this is so annoying. And then my teacher
35 was like, "All right, let's go; let's walk out." So
36 there's, like, grass -- there's a little sidewalk
37 here.
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39 KR: Uh-huh.
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41 DR: Then there's grass and then there's another sidewalk.
42 And this -- there's a parking lot here and our --
43 that's where our fire drill place is, the -- the
44 parking lot. So we walked out of 710. We walked to,
45 like, there. Like, we walked out to the grass.
46
47 KR: Okay.
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49 DR: Um, like, I was -- I was, like, about to walk onto the
50 sidewalk next to the building and then we heard, um,

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1 like, a really, really big sound. And then I thought
2 it was coming from, like, over here.
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4 KR: Would you say over here
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6 DR: I thought it was coming from, like, over there.
7
8 KR: 'Bout toward the 1300 or --
9
10 RR: Towards the gym?
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12 DR: Yeah. I thought it was coming, like, towards the gym.
13
14 KR: the gym? Uh-huh.
15
16 DR: So I looked towards the gym and then I looked the
17 other way. And then my friend, like, all -- just,
18 like, everyone was standing there and everyone -- you
19 just saw everyone, like, running back. And so then my
20 -- my friend Alex was, like, looking -- I, like, saw
21 his face and then he just was like, "Go back, go back,
22 go back, go back, go back!" And then we all just,
23 like, ran back in and then we ran to the back and we
24 went to, like, the back closet.
25
26 KR: Right.
27
28 DR: And we were sitting in the closet and then, um,
29 everyone was like -- it was so weird because everyone
30 was saying, like, it was a drill. Like, everyone was
31 like, it's just a drill, it's just a drill. And Alex
32 -- they were like -- I remember Alex saying, like, "I
33 saw administrative people out there already." They
34 were like, it has to be a drill because there was
35 people out there. And we were like -- and we were
36 like, the -- that sound though. Like, what was that
37 sound? And I -- I didn't even text my parents 'cause I
38 was like -- I was like, no, that wasn't anything.
39 Like, that -- I was like, that -- that was nothing.
40 And then they come on the announcements and Mr.
41 Porter, the assistant principal, he was like -- he's
42 like, "Code Red. Everyone evacuate now." 'Cause I --
43 I'm so positive he said, "Everyone evacuate." And
44 then he was like -- he was like, "Code Red. Everyone
45 evacuate now. Code Red." And in the back of the
46 announcement you just heard, like, like,
47 bratatatatatata --
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49 KR: That's the noise?
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1 DR: -- like, everyone was like -- you heard, like,
2 everyone screaming and, like, running. And -- and
3 then I was like, there's no way that's a drill. And
4 then, like, everything was just happening so fast,
5 like -- and then everyone just started coming into the
6 back room and then they turned the lights off. And
7 then I text my dad, "Did you hear that noise?" And
8 then, like, ten minutes later he was like, "It was a -
9 - it's a shooting."
10
11 KR: Okay. When you -- have you ever heard gunshots before
12 that day?
13
14 DR: No.
15
16 KR: Okay. So you didn't recognize them to be gunshots,
17 you just knew it was a --
18
19 DR: I thought it was, like, a bomb maybe. Like, it all
20 sounded like one sound.
21
22 KR: Okay.
23
24 DR: Not like separate sounds.
25
26 KR: Okay. You only heard -- sounded like one, not
27 multiple
28
29 DR: Uh-huh. It didn't sound like, boom, boom. It just
30 sounded like (sound effect) .
31
32 KR: Okay. When you went out of the building, did you see
33 any of the administration or any of the people
34 standing out there?
35
36 DR: Like, I saw people, like, in the parking lot. But
37 not, like, Peterson. I saw, like -- I saw, like -- I
38 don't even know who I saw. I just remember seeing,
39 like, adults. But, like, that's, like, a typical fire
40 drill thing is, like, teachers already being out
41 there, you know? Maybe it was, like, teachers already
42 out there, like, with their kids.
43
44 KR: Right.
45
46 DR: And that was, like, normal.
47
48 KR: So you did not recognize Deputy Peterson --
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2 KR: -- as being out there on the golf cart or anything
3 like that?
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5 DR: Nope.
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7 KR: Okay. Um, anything, Randy?
8
9 RB: No, sir.
10
11 KR: All right. In regards to this investigation, is there
12 anything that I either failed to ask or anything you
13 would like to add or clarify in your statement today?
14
15 DR: No.
16
17 KR: Okay. Did you voluntarily provide this statement
18 today?
19
20 DR: Yes.
21
22 KR: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
23 providing this statement today?
24
25 DR: No.
26
27 KR: Has the information that you provided during this
28 interview been the truth to the best of your knowledge
29 or recollection?
30
31 DR: Yes.
32
33 KR: This interview is concluded at approximately 1:02 p.m.
34 on 6/14/18.
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36 (CONCLUSION OF INTERVIEW)
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT JEFF HEINRICH, #EI-26-0079,
2 7/12/18)
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4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
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7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 JH SERGEANT JEFF HEINRICH
9 SM FOP ATTORNEY STEPHEN MELNICK
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11 KR: Today's date is July 12th, 2018. It is approximately
12 2:44 p.m. I am Inspector Keith Riddick of the
13 Office of Executive Investigations. The location of
14 this interview is the Coral Springs Police
15 Department. I will be questioning Sergeant -- is it
16 John?
17
18 JH: Jeff.
19
20 KR: Jeff Heinrich as a witness in an official FDLE
21 investigation, Case Number EI-26-0079. Uh, Sergeant
22 Heinrich is represented by FOP Attorney Stephen
23 Melnick. I am the inspector in charge of this
24 investigation. On February 25, 2018, Governor Rick
25 Scott ordered the Florida Department of Law
26 Enforcement to do -- to conduct an investigation
27 into the law enforcement response to the Stoneman
28 Douglas school shooting. Uh, you are here today as
29 a subpoenaed witness, uh, for that investigation
30 into that law enforcement response. You are under
31 subpoena, and you're -- this is a compelled
32 interview. Do you understand that?
33
34 JH : Yes , sir .
35
36 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
37 should be aware of the following. This interview is
38 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
39 I am empowered to administer oaths and take
40 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
41 statement from you. You will be under oath. And,
42 if you knowingly provide false statements, you can
43 be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
44 understand each of these items I just informed you
45 of?
46
47 JH: Yes, sir.
48
49 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
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1 you solemnly swear or affirm that the information
2 you are about to give today is the truth, the whole
3 truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
4
5 JH: I do.
6
7 KR: Uh, please state your full name and, uh -- or,
8 please state your full name and how many years
9 you've been employed with Coral Springs P.D.
10
11 JH: Jeffrey Allen Heinrich. And I've been here 23
12 years.
13
14 KR: All right. Do you have prior law enforcement?
15
16 JH: No. I was a school teacher before.
17
18 KR: Oh, okay. I don't know which is more dangerous.
19
20 JH: School teacher.
21
22 KR: All right. Uh, Sergeant, like I said, before we
23 turned on the tape recorder, this is about the, uh -
24 - the law enforcement response to, uh -- to the, uh,
25 school shooting on Valentine's Day 2018. Uh, I've
26 read your report, um, supplied you with a copy of
27 it. Were you employed by Coral Springs P.D. that
28 day?
29
30 JH : Yes , sir .
31
32 KR: Were you -- I understand you were on the campus that
33 day. Were you on the campus as a patrol officer, or
34 something else?
35
36 JH: As a parent.
37
38 KR: Okay.
39
40 JH: Of, um -- my son's a baseball player. And I
41 routinely do field work -- ground -- I'm a grounds
42 crew for the baseball team to -- to keep the grounds
43 up on
44
45 KR: Okay.
46
47 JH: on the baseball field.
48
49 KR: So, you were helping out the school on --
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1 JH: Yes.
2
3 KR: -- that day? Um, how did you first hear, find out,
4 realize that something was going on?
5
6 JH: Um, I was watering the lawn and grass, getting the -
7 - or, watering the infield, getting the infield
8 ready for -- for practice, um, when the, uh, fire
9 alarm went off at the school.
10
11 KR: Uh-huh.
12
13 JH: You know, I've worked in the school. I was a school
14 resource officer for four years, um, at Coral
15 Springs High School. It's a pretty common thing.
16 Usually culinary classes burn something. You know,
17 something like that. So, I -- I didn't think
18 anything of it. Um, shortly after the alarm went
19 off, um, I heard five or six loud bangs. Um, first
20 I thought they were fireworks. You know, I'm
21 thinking somebody threw a thing of fireworks into
22 the -- into the building. Set the fire alarm off.
23 There were kids coming out. Nothing -- nobody was
24 screaming. Nobody was yelling. Kind of just normal
25 walking.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 JH: Walking, uh, out from the -- between the gymnasium
30 and the 1300 Building. And, um, then a second round
31 of gunshots went off. And, that's when I'm, like,
32 Okay, this is not, uh -- this is real. This is
33 gunshot -- you know, that sounded like gunshots.
34
35 KR: You realized it, at that time, that it was gunshots?
.36
37 JH: Yeah. Yeah. I -- because -- and then -- then you
38 could see a -- more of a mass panic of kids running
39 down the hallway there and out into the parking lot,
40 the senior lot, which is on the north side of the
41 of the school, towards the school. And then, you
42 could -- you could see they were animated and
43 screaming and -- and yelling.
44
45 KR: Uh-huh.
46
47 JH: So, um, I dropped the hose that I was using, big
48 fire hose. Um, took off running towards, uh
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1 Building, which are side by side. Um, when I got
2 just past the, uh, football shed, I encountered one
3 of the security specialists, or security monitors, I
4 think he is there, um, Elliott Bonner, who is, um --
5 he is also a baseball coach. I've known him for --
6 since I'm a little kid. He's been in the community
7 for years and years. And, uh, he told me it was a
8 Code Red, and that there was an active shooter on
9 campus. Um, so, at that point, I left him, and I
10 went around outside of -- to the outside of the 1300
11 Building
12
13 KR: Uh-huh.
14
15 JH: -- which is actually where the senior parking lot
16 is.
17
18 KR : Yes , sir .
19
20 JH: Um, went towards the 1200 Building. Came across,
21 um, an individual that had already been shot. Um,
22 had a pretty massive gunshot wound to the leg. Um,
23 he was obviously looking for somebody to -- to help
24 him. Um, his name was l Um, so, I
25 grabbed him. Um, took him -- um, took him down and
26 around the football field on the -- it'd be the
27 north side of the football field. Um, when I was
28 walking along -- or, having him carry -- kind of,
29 helping him, assisting him go down the thing, um,
30 there was a BSO deputy standing outside of his
31 vehicle on the north side of the football field. I
32 don't know who he was.
33
34 KR: Uh - huh .
35
36 JH: Um, he was a dark -- dark, like a dark-skinned --
37
38 KR: Uh - huh .
39
40 JH: -- type thing. He wasn't black.
41
42 KR: Right.
43
44 JH: But he was like a -- a sun -- sun-tanned type --
45
46 KR: Okay.
47
48 JH: -- of a gentleman. Um, he was standing there. It
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1 KR: Uh-huh.
2
3 JH: Um, I was yelling at him, you know, "Active shooter.
4 Active shooter." And, um, he was just standing
5 outside of his car. I don't know what he was doing.
6 If he was on the radio, or -- or -- or, what he was
7 doing. Um, there was a fence in between us, so I
8 couldn't get
9
10 KR: Right.
11
12 JH: -- to where he was. So, I continued down, along the
13 back side of the, um, football field, which would be
14 the west side of the football field to our baseball
15 house.
16
17 KR : Uh - huh .
18
19 JH: We have a baseball locker room there. Um, put
20 inside, um, locker room. His leg was obviously
21 bleeding profusely. So, I did a compression bandage
22 on his leg. Wrapped up as tight as I could get it
23 to try and stop the bleeding. Um, he was on the
24 phone with his -- trying to get on the phone with
25 his mom and his dad. He couldn't get on the phone
26 with them. He finally got ahold of his grandma. I
27 tried real briefly to tell her what had happened.
28 That, you know, he -- where -- he was gonna be with
29 the paramedics as we had -- the paramedics had shown
30 up by that point.
31
32 Um, I -- um, after that, I called my wife, uh, who -
33 - my wife and my son both go to school there. My
34 wife's a teacher and my son's a student, um, at the
35 school. Um, found out they were sheltered in place,
36 and they were safe. Um, as soon as I found that
37 out, um, I called Dispatch. Actually, I may have
38 called Dispatch first. I can't remember the -- the
39 -- the process. But, the times are there for, um --
40
41 KR: Yes, sir.
42
43 JH: -- for the -- for the -- for the Dispatch call.
44 Called them. Um ~ad given me information, uh,
45 on the shooter. Um, where he was, that type of
46 information. There is active shooter. Some of that
47 conversation, after -- um, I didn't know this at the
48 time. But after I went up and listened to the
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1 KR: Uh-huh.
2
3 JH: So, they didn't get the description that I thought
4 they had gotten. Um, but, um, they -- they did get
5 the information that there was an active shooter and
6 there's multiple, you know -- multiple gunshot
7 victims, from what Kyle was telling me, because he
8 was on the third floor --
9
10 KR: Okay.
11
12 JH: -- of the -- of the building. Um, so, um, after
13 that, I, um, EMS took over Kyle. Um, I stepped
14 outside of the building. Um, well, now it's Deputy
15 Chief McKeehan. It was Captain McKeehan at that
16 time. Was outside. He is one of our -- I don't
17 know if he's our second in command on our -- on our
18 SWAT team. Um, he was out -- he was in suit and
19 tie, like you, with his vest on and -- and his
20 rifle. And, um, I -- I -- I -- he had an extra
21 vest. He had a SWAT vest. So, I grabbed his SWAT
22 vest. Grabbed his secondary weapon and then we --
23 um, we systematically cleared back from the baseball
24 field, back towards the building, towards the 1200
25 Building where -- where we knew where the gunshots
26 were coming from. Um, and, when we got around the
27 1300 Building, just the corner, um, Coach Feis was
28 laying just outside of the door. Um, there was
29 another BSO deputy on the north side of the, um,
30 1300 Building.
31
32 KR: Uh-huh.
33
34 JH: A bald -- bald guy. I guess you know who he is now.
35 But, um, I didn't know who he was. Um, he yelled
36 out to us that he's a -- that Coach Feis had already
37 been checked and that he was deceased. So, um, we
38 stayed on that corner for a few, like, maybe a
39 minute. I didn't like where we were because all of
40 the windows and we could see that there were gunshot
41 -- gunshots in the windows, coming out. So, we then
42 repositioned over with the BSO deputy, back off the
43 wall. Um, and then we stayed there. Uh, he told us
44 that there was already two teams inside the
45 building, clearing. So, obviously, for officer
46 safety reasons, we didn't --
47
48 KR: Sure.
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1 was already a crossfire of the two teams coming up.
2 So, the one -- I guess, one went up, one stayed
3 down. However, they cleared inside there. Um, once
4 we got most of the people out of the building, they
5 started clearing them out, obviously. So, we
6 assisted them getting into the parking lot and out
7 of the parking lot, um, while still remaining on
8 cover of the building because we still, at that
9 point, thought he was in the building.
10
11 KR: Inside.
12
13 JH: Because of the information that we were getting
14 through, um, our Dispatch that, I guess, that the
15 the tape was actually delayed. They were looking at
16 it as it was delayed, rather than as it -- as it was
17 real-time. So, um, we were fully expecting, you
18 know, him to pop out any second. Um, but,
19 unfortunately, like I said, he had already left the
20 building according to everything that we've been
21 told.
22
23 KR: Uh - huh .
24
25 JH: Um, after that building was cleared and deemed safe
26 and all, every -- all the injured were taken out.
27 Um, I teamed up with another group of our -- our
28 officers with several -- I think it was a few
29 agencies. I don't remember exactly how many. But,
30 there's probably seven or eight of us. We teamed up
31 with one of our dog teams, um, and started searching
32 the -- would be the west -- the west side of the
33 school all the way back out to West Glades.
34
35 KR: Okay.
36
37 JH: Um, we came back to the thing. Um, we were, uh --
38 we were then told by the sheriff's office to put our
39 dog away. And, said that we didn't have permission,
40 basically, to be out there to search. So, uh, they
41 were told -- I don't know who told them that. But,
42 um, Coker, Officer Coker, um, told us to -- you
43 know, that he was told to put the dog up. So, we
44 put the dog up. Uh, remained on scene, you know,
45 while they were evacuating the school. Once the --
46 the school was deemed safe, then, uh, we were told
47 to respond here.
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49 KR: Uh-huh.
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1 JH: Um, to meet with, uh, at that point, I think it was
2 the FBI wanted our clothing if we had come into
3 contact with any -- with blood, or anything like --
4 and, I think they didn't take our -- take anything
5 from me, or anything.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 JH: But we had to stay here until we were told, until we
10 could release.
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 JH: Um --
15
16 KR: All right. I have a map here --
17
18 JH: Sure.
19
20 KR: -- of the school. Um, if you would, take a pen.
21 Show me where you were.
22
23 JH: Sure.
24
25 KR: I mean, approximately, when you first saw it.
26
27 JH: Absolutely.
28
29 KR: And then the route you took.
30
31 JH: Uh-huh.
32
33 KR: Uh, to when you picked up the --
34
35 JH: Uh-huh.
36
37 KR: And then back to the 1200 Building --
38
39 JH: Sure.
40
41 KR: -- to to where you ended up.
42
43 JH: Sure. I was right here.
44
45 KR: Okay.
46
47 JH: Right here watering this area of the thing.
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1 JH: Um, I came out. There's a fence right here.
2
3 KR: Okay.
4
5 JH: I came out this fence. Uh, right to here. Mr.
6 Bonner was right here.
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 JH: In his golf cart. Um, right here in this golf cart.
11 He was sitting in the golf cart.
12
13 KR: Uh-huh.
14
15 JH: Uh, he's the one that told me it was a Code Red,
16 active -- active shooter. So, I came down through
17 here. There's a big fence here.
18
19 KR: Uh-huh.
20
21 JH: Came out into the, uh -- well, it'd be come up here.
22 But came out into the parking lot here. And then,
23 up along the 1200 Building, like, in here. And,
24 somewhere in this parking lot, is where I
25 encountered Kyle.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 JH: Um, I don't have independent, exact recollection --
30
31 KR: That's understandable.
32
33 JH: -- of where exactly in a parking lot. But it was
34 somewhere in this parking lot because I was behind
35 cars.
36
37 KR: Uh-huh.
38
39 JH: And there was -- I mean, it was actively shooting.
40
41 KR: Uh-huh.
42
43 JH: I mean, there -- there -- there were gunshots going
44 off for
45
46 KR: You were --
47
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2 JH: Yes.
3
4 KR: -- at that time?
5
6 JH: Yeah. Absolutely. There was, I would say, probably
7 in the area of, probably, 7 to 10 gunshots --
8
9 KR: Uh-huh.
10
11 JH: -- repeatedly. Um, coming out, you know,
12 reverberating from -- from over in the 1200
13 Buildinq. So, we were over in this area here. I
14 met _ --~ewhere in here. We then came out on
15 this side. There's another fence right here.
16
17 KR: Uh-huh.
18
19 JH: Came down along behind the stands. This was all
20 grass.
21
22 KR : Yes , s i r .
23
24 JH: There was a BSO deputy outside of his car right over
25 here, standing outside of his car.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 JH: On the outside of the fence. That's who I was
30 yelling at, that, you know, basically, there's an
31 active shooter.
32
33 KR: Uh - huh .
34
35 JH: There was, like I said -- there was still gunshots
36 going off.
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 JH: So, came down here. All the way down back here.
41 There's, uh, a building right here.
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 JH: And put inside the building.
46
47 KR: Okay.
48
49 JH: So then, one~ went inside the building, um,
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1 outside this door. Met up with McKeehan, and then
2 we came back. And then came back down here. And
3 then cleared this area here all the way through
4 here.
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 JH: And then once we got to the 1300 Building, we came
9 across here. And then I remained here. Right here,
10 you'll see the BearCat and everything --
11
12 KR: Right.
13
14 JH: -- was right here. Um, remained here at this corner
15 until this building was completely clear of all
16 injured
17
18 KR: Uh-huh.
19
20 JH: -- or survivors. And then we systematically -- do
21 you want me to draw where we cleared?
22
23 KR : No , sir .
24
25 JH: Okay.
26
27 KR: No, that's fine.
28
29 JH: Then we just -- yeah. Once we finished here, we
30 just cleared back this
31
32 KR : Yes , sir .
33
34 JH: -- this whole half of the -- of the school, and we
35 came back. And that's when --
36
37 KR: All right.
38
39 JH: -- we were told, so --
40
41 KR: When you heard the first volley of shots --
42
43 JH: Uh-):rnh.
44
45 KR: -- could you tell where they were coming from?
46
47 JH: You could tell they were coming from the school.
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1 JH: I mean, yeah. I mean; it was -- it was -- it was
2 loud enough that you knew where they coming. But, I
3 mean, once you got in the parking lot, there was no
4 doubt. I mean
5
6 KR: You identified those as --
7
8 JH: Yeah.
9
10 KR: -- coming from that 12 --
11
12 JH: Yeah. And there was -- and -- and -- there --
13 somebody actually yelled at me. Because I was in a
14 pair of shorts --
15
16 KR: Uh-huh.
17
18 JH: -- and a T-shirt. Um, just basketball shorts.
19 Somebody -- and I don't know where -- I don't know
20 who they were --
21
22 KR: Uh - huh .
23
24 JH: -- what they were. But I was in the parking lot.
25 And I was yelling, "Active shooter."
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 JH: You know, "Get out of here. Active shooter," blah,
30 blah, blah. And somebody told me to "Get the fuck
31 down. They're shooting at us." Now, I don't know
32 if it was a police officer.
33
34 KR: Sure.
35
36 JH: I don't know if it was somebody -- somebody else.
37 Um, I have no idea.
38
39 KR: No clue?
40
41 JH: Um, but, it sounded like something a police officer
42 would say.
43
44 KR: Yeah.
45
46 JH: Again, I'm not -- I'm not pushing that envelope,
47 but somebody yelled at me, "Get the fuck down."
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1 JH: "They' re shooting at us." So, that's -- right after
2 that is when I encountered
3
4 KR: Okay.
5
6 JH: And took him off. Um, but, yeah, like I said --
7 like I said, I mean, it was repeated gunfire from
8 that.
9
10 KR: After you grabbed , did you still hear more
11 gunshots?
12
13 JH: Yes. Yeah. As far -- as -- as I was going through
14 the parking lot, they were still shooting us.
15
16 KR: Okay.
17
18 JH: I mean, and _ was, you know -- was just
19 frantic. I mean
20
21 KR: Yeah.
22
23 JH: And, you know, he's screaming and, you know, "I
24 can't." You know, "I've been shot. I've been
25 shot." I'm like, "Don't worry," you know? "We'll
26 get you you' re okay." And that type of stuff.
27 Yeah, they were -- there was shooting quite a
28
29 KR: Okay. Do you recall when you -- the shooting
30 stopped?
31
32 JH: I do not.
33
34 KR: That's okay.
35
36 JH: I do not.
37
38 KR: Um --
39
40 JH: I -- I don't want to give you a timetable --
41
42 KR: Yeah.
43
44 JH: -- that I don't know.
45
46 KR: That's understandable.
47
48 JH: Um, yeah. I mean, I -- once I got over here, I can
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2
3 KR: Uh-huh.
4
5 JH: -- standing. I was screaming at him that there's an
6 active shooter. And, you know, letting him know
7 what was going on.
8
9 KR: Uh-huh.
10
11 JH: You know, that there's, you know, people are -- I
12 was yelling, "There's people injured." Because
13 was telling me, saying there's -- he said, "There's
14 multiple people shot."
15
16 KR: Uh - huh .
17
18 JH: And, "There's multiple people injured."
19
20 KR: Okay. Did, um -- did this deputy or another deputy
21 ever team up with you and go to the baseball
22
23 JH: No.
24
25 KR: -- room with you?
26
27 JH: No.
28
29 KR: Okay.
30
31 JH: Not that I know of.
32
33 KR: Okay.
34
35 JH: Not that I remember.
36
37 KR: Okay.
38
39 JH: I -- I -- I there may have been somebody here
40 that walked in after I got to the baseball.
41
42 KR: Uh-huh.
43
44 JH: That I don't know. I -- I don't -- I don't
45 remember. Um, because there was -- I was there
46 was two -- there was two -- there was two well,
47 there's a coach, Todd Fitzgerald, who was a teacher
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2 JH: -- was in this building. He's the baseball coach,
3 the head baseball coach. And then there was a dad
4 named Ernie -- Ernie Brady, is his last name. And,
5 he was out helping me. Didn't really know what was
6 going on. Was in with Todd in the office. So, when
7 I came in, they were both in there. They had no
8 idea what was going on. Came in with --_, _ with the
9 gunshot wound, and then they started helping me
10 first aid.
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 JH: I don't recall -- I recall paramedics in there, but
15 I don't recall a BSO deputy.
16
17 KR: Okay.
18
19 JH: And, maybe. Uh, again, I don't have -- I don't have
20 recollection of everything that happened that day.
21
22 KR: Yes, sir. I understand.
23
24 JH: Because it was going pretty fast. So, um, yeah, I
25 don't know.
26
27 KR: Okay. Um, Mr. Bonner --
28
29 JH: Yes.
30
31 KR: -- when you passed him --
32
33 JH: Uh-huh.
34
35 KR: did he let -- tell you where it was coming from,
36 or anything like that?
37
38 JH: Uh, yeah. He told me -- he -- he told me, um, that
39 ther~'s an active shooter. Uh, he actually he
40 actually told me that, um, Feis was down.
41
42 KR: Uh-huh.
43
44 JH: So, he watched Aaron Feis, I guess, get shot before
45 he left that area. Um, he told me it was coming
46 from the 1200 Building.
47
48 KR: Okay. At any time during this event, did you see --
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1 JH: Yes. Know him very well.
2
3 KR: Okay. All right.
4
5 JH: My wife's been with the school for four-and-a-half
6 years.
7
8 KR: All right.
9
10 JH: I've sat side-by-side with him at -- uh, at -- he's
11 a good friend of mine, actually -- at the -- the
12 baseball -- or basketball games.
13
14 KR: Uh-huh.
15
16 JH: And my wife's a basketball coach. And we'd sit and,
17 you know, I'd come over and watch the games with my
18 wife --
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 JH: -- and stuff like that. So --
23
24 KR: Did you see him at any time?
25
26 JH: No, sir. I did not.
27
28 KR: Okay. Have you spoken to him since then?
29
30 JH: No, sir. I have not.
31
32 KR: Okay. Um, did you have a radio -- school or
33 otherwise -- during this?
34
35 JH: No, sir.
36
37 KR: All right. Um, did you make, other than this, the
38 deputy that was on the outside of the fence -- did
39 you make contact with any other -- and, well, that,
40 and the 1300 -- um, the guy that you got with around
41 the corner of the 1300. Did either of them say
42 anything at any time about their communications
43 having issues?
44
45 JH: No. Not that I know of.
46
47 KR: Okay. Did you, uh, make contact with any other BSO
48 personnel, or any other P.D.? You know, other
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2 were tons of people afterwards.
3
4 KR: Right.
5
6 JH: But during the incident --
7
8 KR: Yeah.
9
10 JH: -- the only BSO person that I ever encountered, um,
11 in the beginning, was that gentleman that was
12 standing on the -- on the north side --
13
14 KR: Okay.
15
16 JH: -- of that building. I don't know what, again -- I
17 don't know what his name is.
18
19 KR: And that's understandable. Let me take a look at my
20 questions real quick. Um, CSPD's training on active
21 shooter. What does it say?
22
23 JH: Um, go in -- well, if you have active shooting,
24 which is a stimulus of shooting --
25
26 KR: Uh - huh .
27
28 JH: -- you go and search out the shooting and eliminate
29 the threat.
30
31 KR: If you have active intelligence?
32
33 JH: That's correct.
34
35 KR: Address it.
36
37 JH: Yeah. If you can -- if you can -- if you have
38 active gunfire, you're going to the sound of gunfire
39 until it either stops or you can determine where the
40 -- where the person is. And then -- and then, um --
41
42 KR: Eliminate.
43
44 JH: -- eliminate threat.
45
46 KR: Okay.
47
48 JH: Correct.
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2
3 JH: Uh, last year.
4
5 KR: Okay.
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7 JH: Um, I train -- I'm with -- I'm a part of the -- the
8 -- it's actually a base, sheriffs, us. It's a whole
9 bunch of organizations that have been going to the
10 schools and been training in the schools. I would -
11 - like I said, I was a school resource officer --
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13 KR: Right.
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15 JH: -- four years. So, I -- I started doing that with
16 our training unit, and going in and actually
17 teaching the active shooter. Um, training, to to
18 the schools and -- and things like that. And,
19 unfortunately, obviously, we've only gotten to a
20 certain number of schools. And, that has to do with
21 -- well, from what I've been told, partly to do with
22 the -- the teachers union and their days that
23 they're allowed to -- to have instructional, and,
24 days where they have to have a certain number of
25 planning days.
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27 KR: Uh - huh .
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29 JH: So, the county, you know, they -- they've been
30 trying to get some of that stuff going. Um, but,
31 they figured that the elementary schools were the
32 softer targets. Um, so we started in the elementary
33 schools and been working through. And,
34 unfortunately, we hadn't gotten to
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36 KR: So, you had not gotten to --
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38 JH: Yeah.
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40 KR: -- Columbine?
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42 JH: Stoneman Douglas, not --
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44 KR: Or, excuse me. Stoneman Douglas. Yeah.
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46 JH: Yeah. No, not that I know of.
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48 KR: Right.
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4 KR: Uh-huh.
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6 JH :. And, um, some of them are baseball coaches. And, I
7 know they went through a, um -- a talk about it.
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9 KR: Uh-huh.
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11 JH: You know? But, they didn't -- they didn't do an
12 active, an actual active shooter training --
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14 KR: Okay.
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16 JH : - - um, at a 11 .
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18 KR: All right. Um, the two people that were in there
19 was Todd --
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21 JH: Yeah. Todd Fitzgerald. And, he's the, uh -- he's a
22 teacher and a -- a baseball coach.
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24 KR: He's a coach.
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26 JH: And then, uh, Ernie Brady. And he is a dad of one
27 of the baseball players.
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29 KR: Okay. Let me see your report real quick. Make sure
30 I covered everything. While I'm looking at this,
31 would you sign and date that for me, please?
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33 JH: Sure. · Absolutely. July 12th.
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35 KR: All right. In regards to this investigation, is
36 there anything that I either failed to ask, or
37 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
38 your statement today?
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40 JH: I don't believe so.
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42 KR: All right. Did you voluntarily provide this
43 statement today?
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45 JH: No.
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47 KR: You were compelled.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DETECTIVE DWIGHT HODGSON, #EI-26-0079,
2 7/9/18)
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4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
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7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 DH DETECTIVE DWIGHT HODGSON
9 SM ATTORNEY STEPHEN MELNICK
10
11 KR: All right. Today's date is June the -- or, excuse
12 me, July the 9th, 2018. It's approximately 10:54
13 a.m. I'm Inspector Keith Riddick of the Office of
14 Executive Investigations. Also present -- location
15 of this interview is the Coral Springs Police
16 Department. I will be questioning Detective, uh,
17 Dwight Hodgson -- told you I'd mess it up -- as a
18 witness in an official FDLE Investigation, Case
19 Number EI-26-0079. Uh, representing, uh, Mr. --
20 Detective Hodgson is FOP -- or PBA attorney --
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22 SM: FOP.
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24 KR : FOP . 0 ka y . Uh
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26 SM: Steve Melnick.
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28 KR: -- Steve Melnick, yes. Uh, I will be questioni~g
29 Detective Hodgson as a witness. Uh, I am the
30 inspector in charge of this investigation. On
31 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
32 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
33 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like to
34 clarify that this is a witness statement being given
35 by you as part of the investigation into the law
36 enforcement response to the MSD school shooting that
37 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
38 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
39 to provide this statement. Do you understand?
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41 DH: I do.
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43 KR: Thank you. Uh, prior to beginning this interview,
44 you should be aware of the following. This
45 interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
46 enforcement officer, I am empowered to administer
47 oaths and take statements. In a moment I'll be
48 taking a sworn statement from you. You'll be --
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1 you can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
2 understand each of these items I've just informed
3 you of?
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5 DH: I do.
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7 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
8 record reflect the detective has raised his right
9 hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm the
10 information you're about to give today is the truth,
11 the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help
12 you God?
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14 DH: I do.
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16 KR: All right, thank you, sir. Please state your full
17 name and how long you've been employed here at Coral
18 Springs Police Department.
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20 DH: Dwight Hodgson, and I've been employed with Coral
21 Springs Police Department for over nine years.
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23 KR: All right. Do you have any prior law enforcement?
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25 DH: I don' t .
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27 KR: All right. Um, like we spoke before I turned on the
28 recorder, Detective, this is about the, uh, Stoneman
29 Douglas shooting that happened on February 14, 2018.
30 Were you, uh, employed as a detective of CSPD then?
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32 DH: I was.
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34 KR: All right. Were you on duty?
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36 DH: I was.
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38 KR: All right. When did you first hear of -- that the
39 shooting was going on, that there was something
40 going on at Stoneman Douglas?
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42 DH: Well, uh, time-wise, I --
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44 KR: And time -- you know, if you don't know, you don't
45 know.
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47 DH: -- I don't recall the time
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3 KR: Yeah.
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5 DH: Um, I'll tell you where I was, though.
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7 KR: Yeah.
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9 DH: I was at, uh, Zona Fresca. It's, uh -- Shadow Wood
10 and University Drive, Coral Springs.
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12 KR: Okay. All right. How did you hear about it?
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14 DH: I heard it through the radio.
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16 KR: All right.
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18 DH: Through Dispatch.
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20 KR: Um, do you remember what the first dispatch was that
21 you heard?
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23 DH: Um, to tell you the truth, I was sitting with my
24 partner, and he caught the attention of the radio
25 and then relayed it to me. And then I heard it
26 again, and that's when we just ran out. Uh, I I
27 couldn't -- verbatim I can't tell you exactly.
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29 KR: That's -- that's understandable. And so, uh, who's
30 your partner?
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32 DH: Detective Robert Koop [phonetic].
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34 KR: Okay. All right. Uh, so y'all -- you heard it, you
35 jumped, got in the patrol car, ran code to the
36 school, I take it?
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38 DH: Uh, yeah, I got into my assigned, unmarked vehicle.
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40 KR: Okay. Were y'all in separate vehicles?
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42 DH: Separate vehicles.
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44 KR: Okay. All right. All right. One thing I forgot to
45 mention. We -- I have some maps here. And if you
46 would, I know -- well, how far do you think it was
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3 DH: Time-wise, uh, I'd say could take anywhere from 6 to
4 8 to 10 minutes.
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6 KR: Depending on traffic and who's getting in your way?
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8 DH: Depending on traffic, of course, right.
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10 KR: All right. When you got on scene, where, um -- this
11 is a map called -- or it's titled, "School
12 Boundaries." Could you just show on an X or
13 something -- here's Pine Island. There's Holmberg.
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15 DH: Okay.
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17 KR: That's the 1200 Building.
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19 DH: Right.
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21 KR: Could you show about where you parked? All right.
22 Uh, for the record that's, uh, right next to the --
23 the gate that leads into, what I think is known as,
24 the senior parking area and goes almost straight
25 into the east end of the 1200 Building. All right.
26 Um, all right. Once you -- um, en route, did you
27 hear anymore traffic? Do you remember anymore
28 traffic about the, uh --
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30 DH: You know, there was so much traffic in front of me,
31 I was running code.
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33 KR: Uh-huh.
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35 DH: Uh, did not hear anything. I was just trying to
36 throw my gear on, as well, and get to the site.
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38 KR: And drive.
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40 DH: Right.
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42 KR: Okay. All right. Once you got 10-97, um, and
43 that's
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45 DH: Right there.
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47 KR: right there, what happened next?
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3 DH: And I recall just running towards the east, uh,
4 gated area. I do remember seeing some units along
5 Holmberg as well.
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7 KR: All right. Were there any units there at that gate?
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9 DH: Not at that gate.
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11 KR: Okay. Was the gate locked?
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13 DH: The gate was opened.
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15 KR: Okay. The -- the drive-through part --
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17 DH: Yes.
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19 KR: -- was open? Okay. So if you would, just give me
20 an approximate route where you -- how you made onto
21 the campus and where you went.
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23 DH: I went through the
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25 KR: You can draw --
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27 DH: you can say the east gate.
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29 KR: you can draw a line. Okay. So you went to the
30 east end of the building.
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32 DH: East side and south, uh, towards the 1200 Building.
33 What led me to the 1200 Building was I saw some
34 officers trying to get in there. And I saw that and
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37 KR: That's what took you to that?
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39 DH: That's what took me there.
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41 KR: Okay. Were they CSPD? Yes?
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43 DH: They were CSPD.
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45 KR: All CSPD?
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47 DH: They were.
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3 KR: Okay.
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5 DH: -- um, which drew my attention a little bit to the
6 parking lot area.
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8 KR: Okay. Do you remember seeing a deputy standing in
9 this area between 700 and 800 Building?
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11 DH: I do not.
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13 KR: Okay. No problem. Um, all right. So once you got
14 there, what happened?
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16 DH: I -- I got just in time as they were opening the
17 east side doors. Um --
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19 KR: And you all made entry?
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21 DH: Made entry.
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23 KR: And then you started looking for him and helping get
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26 DH: Yeah, no, it was -- it was very quiet. I remember
27 very clearly, uh, it was very smoky.
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29 KR: Uh - huh .
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31 DH: Um, initially we -- we saw a lot of casualties on
32 the floor on the right side -- on the left side, I'm
33 sorry.
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35 KR: Uh - huh .
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37 DH: We made -- we -- we started pushing through and --
38 um, I assisted with moving some of the bodies from
39 in front of the doors because we were trying to
40 remove the kids from the classroom and, uh, provide
41 aid to whoever --
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43 KR: Okay.
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45 DH: needed.
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47 KR: Um, do you remember how they opened the door? Did
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9 DH: I did.
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11 KR: Okay. Um --
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13 DH: However -- I'm sorry.
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15 KR: No, go ahead.
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17 DH: I also did go to the third floor.
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19 KR: All right.
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21 DH: Second through third.
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23 KR: All right. While you were in -- on scene that day,
24 did you make contact with any BSO or any other, uh,
25 officers from any other --
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27 DH: I -- I did. Um, Van Duren [phonetic] --
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29 KR : Uh - huh .
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31 DH: -- was the deputy that, uh, I made contact with. He
32 actually -- we moved along through the first floor
33 together. Um, we -- we had long coverages. Kids
34 were being evacuated from each classroom. Uh, yeah,
35 Van Duren was his name.
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37 KR: Is that the only one you recall?
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39 DH: That -- that's the only one I recall. There was
40 another gentleman, uh, tact'd up -- with a -- with a
41 tactical vest.
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43 KR: Uh-huh.
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45 DH: I can't recall -- I don't know his name.
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47 KR: Did you have any issues with your communications?
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3 DH: I did not.
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5 KR: Okay. Uh, did you hear -- could you tell if there
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8 DH: No.
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10 KR: Okay. No, you couldn't tell or --
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12 DH: I'm sorry --
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14 KR: there wasn't any?
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16 DH: there weren't any
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18 KR: Okay.
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20 DH: -- communications.
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22 KR: Did either one of the deputies that you saw or -- or
23 contacted, did they make any comment about them
24 having issues with their radios?
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26 DH: Up until when we got to the second level and -- by
27 the time we finished clearing the whole first level,
28 once we reached the west side, some BSO SWAT members
29 came in and married up with us and they went towards
30 the second level. And that's when I -- I felt like
31 they were having some communications 'cause I saw a
32 gentleman relaying back from the second floor to the
33 first floor.
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35 KR: Okay. Like a runner?
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37 DH: Like a runner, yeah.
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39 KR Uh-huh. All right. Um, did, um -- by now -- uh,
40 did you know Deputy Peterson before the incident?
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42 DH: I did not.
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44 KR: Okay. By now you've seen him on TV. Uh, do you --
45 did you see him at any time?
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47 DH: I have never seen him.
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3 KR: Okay. All right. Um, gonna change hats real quick
4 then. Training-wise, what -- how often does CSPD
5 train in active shooter or active killer, uh, this
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8 DH: Active -- training -- active shooter training, we
9 recently had it in 2017 in April. As far as from a
10 SWAT aspect, we train hostage rescue quite often,
11 you know. So --
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13 KR: How often does the SWAT train here?
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15 DH: We train every other week.
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17 KR: Every other week?
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19 DH: Yes.
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21 KR: Um, let me look real quick at my questions. Oh, did
22 you -- when you went 10-97, did you hear any
23 gunshots?
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25 DH: I did not.
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27 KR: Okay. The whole time you were there, never heard
28 any gunshots?
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30 DH: Did not. No.
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32 KR: All right. Did you ever make contact with any fire
33 rescue paramedics while you were there? Or fire
34 rescue personnel?
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36 DH: There were some SWAT medics from BSO that, uh, met
37 up with us on the third level. Uh, we retrieved a
38 kid that was in the center of the -- in the middle
39 of the hallway. And that's the only time I kinda
40 interacted with the SWAT medics.
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42 KR: Okay. But as far as actual -- the actual fire
43 rescue personnel that were riding -- arriving on
44 scene, you didn't -- never made contact with them?
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46 DH: No.
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3 KR: Okay. All right. And, uh, according to your
4 reports, after you finished 1200, you went and
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9 KR: All right. Um, oh, when -- and I think I asked
10 this, but I -- I'm gonna ask it. When you came
11 through this gate, were there any units parked?
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13 DH: Yes, uh, I saw a couple of mark units on Holmberg.
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15 KR: On Holmberg? How about at the actual gate itself?
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17 DH: I don't believe so.
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32 KR: All right. In regards to this investigation, is
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1 (INTERVIEW OF NICK IARRICCIO, EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
7 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
8 NI NICHOLAS IARRICCIO, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER
9 AD ATTORNEY ALAN DIAMOND, GENERAL COUNSEL
10 FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE
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12 MP: Today's date is Monday, May 14th, 2018. The time now
13 is approximately 1:50 p.m. I'm Inspector Meschelle
14 Pittman with Florida Department Law Enforcement
15 Office of Executive Investigations. Also present at
16 this time is Inspector Troy Cope. The location of
17 this interview is 2300 High Ridge Road in Boynton
18 Beach, Florida. I will be questioning Nicholas
19 Iarriccio, as a witness in an official FDLE case,
20 investigation case number EI-26-0079. Inspector
21 Keith Riddick is in charge of this investigation.
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23 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
24 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
25 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
26 like to clarify that this is a witness statement,
27 um, being given by you as part of this investigation
28 in regards to the law enforcement response to the
29 Marjory Stoneman Douglas School shooting that
30 occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
31 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled -
32 - to provide this statement. Do you understand?
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34 NI: I do.
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36 MP: Okay. And also for the record, um, did we give you
37 adequate enough time to review the report?
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39 NI: Yes.
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41 MP: Okay. And you're good with that?
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43 NI: Yes.
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45 MP: All right. Um, prior to beginning this interview,
46 you should be aware of the following. This
47 interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
48 enforcement officer -- sworn law enforcement
49 officer, I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
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2 and if you knowingly provide false statements, you
3 can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
4 understand each of the items I've just informed you
5 of?
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7 NI: I, do.
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9 MP: Okay. Sorry for my incoherent speech today.
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11 NI: That's okay.
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13 MP: Please raise your right hand. Let the record --
14 record reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do
15 you solemnly swear or affirm that the information
16 you're about to give today is the truth, the whole
17 truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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19 NI: I, do.
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21 MP: Okay. For the record, please state your full name.
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23 NI: Nicholas Joseph Iarricc~o, Junior.
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25 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
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27 NI: The City of Coral Springs Police Department.
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29 MP: In what capacity?
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31 NI: I'm a seasonal School Resource Officer.
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33 MP: Okay. And how long have you been, uh, with the
34 Coral Springs Police Department?
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36 NI: Fulltime and seasonal, 30 years.
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38 MP: Okay. And all in this, uh, position?
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40 NI: No. I've held held numerous positions with the
41 department.
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43 MP: Okay, such as?
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45 NI: Um, I've worked -- I spent six years, um, on Road
46 Patrol. I spent 20 years in the Detective Bureau
47 in, um, General Investigations, Violent Crimes.
48 And, I spent my last six years at the FBI Joint
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1 MP: Okay. And, as I have indicated before going on
2 record, Troy and I both will be going back-and-forth
3 asking questions. I'll let Troy start.
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5 TC: Uh, and just real quick, I wanna put on the record
6 that also present is Alan Diamond, General Counsel
7 for Fraternal Order of Police.
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9 AD: Yes.
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11 TC: And, all right. Um, you've got a few things out in
12 front of you and I just wanna reflect. You reviewed
13 the report and I'm just gonna read, uh, this is your
14 report that you wrote related to the incident?
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16 NI: Yes, it is.
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18 TC: All right. And, uh, case number 18001708, uh, so
19 just kinda walk us through how you became aware of
20 the incident and -- and your response to it.
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22 NI: I had just finished, uh, the dismissal at my
23 elementary school, which is Park Springs Elementary,
24 uh, the address 5800 66th Terrace. It's in Coral
25 Springs. I had just walked back into my office. I
26 heard on the radio, uh, that they had reports of an
27 active shooter, that shots were fired at Stoneman
28 Douglas High School. I proceeded out to my car and
29 went north on 66th Terrace to Creekside Drive. I
30 made a left to Creekside Drive out to 441, north on
31 441 to the Sawgrass Expressway. I went westbound on
32 the Sawgrass Expressway and I exited at University
33 Drive. Um, I went northbound on University Drive to
34 Holmberg Road, made a left and went west to the
35 school.
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37 TC: Okay. Is that -- refer to that last part on -- so,
38 here's the school -- here's the expressway and --
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40 NI: Okay. So, I went this way --
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42 TC: (unintelligible)
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44 NI: to Holmberg --
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46 MP: And University?
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48 NI: Yeah. I would've, um -- it -- it's not on your map
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3 NI: But, I would've proceeded down from University Drive
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6 TC: Okay. If you can draw to where you ended up and
7 stopped your vehicle, appreciate it.
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9 MP: Do you recall what -- around what time you, uh, you
10 got to the incident?
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12 NI: Yeah, it was somewhere around, um, 2:20, 2:23
13 somewhere in there.
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15 MP: Okay. And how far is it from the location you were
16 at -- the elementary school to Stoneman Douglas?
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18 NI: A few miles.
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20 MP: Okay. So, it took you just roughly how many minutes
21 maybe?
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23 NI: Uh, maybe three or four minutes --
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25 MP: Okay.
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27 NI: -- the way I was going.
28
29 MP: Okay. Thank you.
30
31 NI: Um, (unintelligible) . Okay. I was in the
32 northbound lane and I'm gonna say the -- is this the
33 1200 Building right here?
34
35 TC: Um, that could be. Let me see. I don't wanna
36 assume 'cause --
37
38 MP: Yeah, a better -- a closer up --
39
40 TC: we have a better
41
42 MP: yeah.
43
44 NI: Yeah.
45
46 TC: -- 1200's gonna be --
47
48 NI: This building right here?
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2 NI: Okay. I --
3
4 TC: And -- and we can draw it. So --
5
6 NI: I parked my car -- I stopped on Holmberg Road just
7 west of, um, I believe this gate right here.
8
9 TC: Okay.
10
11 NI: So, my
12
13 TC: You just wanna mark that?
14
15 NI: -- my car would've been about right here.
16
17 TC: Okay. I'm just gonna highlight this so we know.
18 This is where your car approximately stopped?
19
20 NI: Right.
21
22 TC: Obviously, not to scale. And then we can go to the
23 other sheet 'cause that's gonna be.
24
25 NI: Yeah.
26
27 MP: More detailed.
28
29 NI: Um, I was probably somewhere 'cause there were
30 some police cars in front of me, so, probably right
31 around here.
32
33 TC: Okay. And then what's the route you proceeded on
34 foot to respond?
35
36 NI: Well, I -- I saw one of our guys running toward the
37 east side of the school, so I got out of my car and
38 -- well, I can draw -- draw a solid line for you.
39 I'm pretty sure this is the way I went. I don't
40 know if I went down that roadway or if I was off in
41 the parking lot a little bit.
42
43 MP: Okay.
44
45 NI: But, that's pretty much where I went to the East
46 doors.
47
48 TC: Okay. So, you ran towards the east side of the
49 building toward --
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1 NI: That's where I saw a couple of our guys.
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 NI: Um, they were standing by the -- that East door
6 there and I had seen somebody run and that caught my
7 eye. And, I -- I -- that's where I made my
8 decision, you know, that's where I'm gonna go pretty
9 much.
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 NI: And, I -- I really couldn't get down Holmberg Road;
14 there were some cars in front of me.
15
16 TC: Okay. Um, when you were responding, uh, and we'll
17 back up, what was your radio call sign that day?
18
19 NI: Um, I'm Juliet -- J-51.
20
21 TC: Okay. And do you know what channel when you were
22 responding you were on?
23
24 NI: I was on Main Channel One.
25
26 TC: Okay. Uh, what were you hearing over the radio as
27 you were responding?
28
29 NI: Um, I heard, um, obviously the -- the shots fired. I
30 -- I recall Dispatch saying that they could hear the
31 gunshots on the 911 call. So, I -- I knew it was
32 for real. Um, I, uh, while I was in route, I took
33 my rifle out and put it on the seat and I put a
34 spare magazine in my back pocket. Um, in route, I
35 heard, um, a couple of officers. Um, I heard
36 Officer Burton, uh, give a description of the
37 possible gunman.
38
39 MP: Okay.
40
41 NI: Uh, I remember a maroon shirt, saying he was wearing
42 a maroon shirt. I remember something about an ROT -
43 - ROTC shirt maybe and -- and I don't remember the
44 pants. I don't remember exactly on that. Um, I
45 also remember someone calling out that they were --
46 you know he was kinda giving directions to where the
47 building was at that -- it's been years since I've
48 been on that campus.
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2 NI: Um, heck, they might've even built that building
3 since I've been on the campus. And, I, um -- I
4 remember them giving some directions as to where the
5 building is and then I remember hearing on the radio
6 and I don't know who said it, but that there was
7 some bullet holes in a third floor window. I
8 remember that.
9
10 MP: When you arrived, um, one second -- when you arrived
11 and you said you saw other officers from your
12 agency, did you see anyone else from any other
13 agency?
14
15 NI: Yeah, I saw, um -- there was a BSO marked patrol car
16
17
18 MP: Uh-huh.
19
20 NI: -- here on Holmberg Road.
21
22 MP: Okay. And what were they doing?
23
24 NI: Uh, he was about 50 yards west of me. Um, I saw one
25 person, um, behind the -- the front driver's side of
26 the vehicle. I couldn't tell really if he had his
27 gun or not.
28
29 TC: What -- um, would this map reflect where that
30 individual would've been?
31
32 NI: Yeah. He would've been -- he was about a little bit
33 west of me, like right here.
34
35 TC: Okay.
36
37 NI: Maybe 50 or 75 feet.
38
39 TC: And with this one -- you physically saw or you
40 you observed somebody standing outside to take like
41 a position of --
42
43 NI: Yeah.
44
45 TC: -- cover?
46
47 NI: Right here.
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 NI: And -- and the reason being is when I got out of my
2 car, I slung my rifle over and I started to take a
3 few steps. One of our motorcycle officer's car was
4 here. I remember seeing his helmet on the ground
5 and that was the gate that I found out later they
6 cut that we went through. Um, uh, some movement
7 caught my eye and I looked -- I looked over and I
8 saw the -- the, um -- a deputy behind the car
9 somewhere right around there. And, I took a few
10 more steps and I had an "Oh, shit moment," and I saw
11 some bullet holes -- I thought I saw bullet holes as
12 I was running 'cause I remember them saying the
13 third floor window.
14
15 MP: Uh-huh.
16
17 NI: And I kinda had an "Oh, shit moment," is he behind
18 the car 'cause he was getting shot at and I'm
19 running across an open field. I remember saying to
20 myself, "You dumb ass, you' re a veteran," you -- you
21 should know better. But, you know there was no time
22 -- there wasn't really any time for that. I just
23 kept -- I just kept running to where my guys --
24 where I knew our guys were which was right there.
25
26 MP: Okay. And, so you left the officer there taking
27 cover behind the car? He didn't run with you or
28
29 NI: No.
30
31 MP: Okay, okay.
32
33 TC: And it was a -- when you looked at it you, uh,
34 identified it immediately as a BSO Deputy?
35
36 NI: It was -- it was a BSO Deputy --
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 NI: -- vehicle. Um, all I could see was a little bit of
41 a head and I thought I saw a hand up like this here.
42 I don't know if he was kinda -- maybe $ignaling to
43 me that he was there. I -- I don't --
44
45 TC: Uh-huh.
46
47 NI: -- I don't know, I can't say that for sure. I just
48 -- I grabbed my rifle and I put my sling over. I
49 looked over; I saw something move by the car. I
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1 officer and I just turned to run. And, like I said
2 I got a couple of steps before I had that thought
3 and I just -- I just didn't stop. I sprinted right
4 to the door.
5
6 TC: And do you -- is Coral Springs issued body cameras?
7
8 NI: No.
9
10 TC: Okay. So, no -- nobody in Coral Springs has body
11 cam -- I know I failed to ask and I remembered --
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 TC: and we weren't briefed on it and I -- I assumed -
16
17
18 MP: Uh-uh.
19
20 TC: -- and I don't wanna assume. But --
21
22 NI: We're not issued body cams. Um, I don't know if any
23 of the road guys are because I'm in the school.
24
25 TC: Right.
26
27 NI: They don't -- they don't have 'em in the school
28 because of the kids.
29
30 TC: Sure.
31
32 MP: And before we move on, so that was the only, um,
33 other officer that you saw other than Coral Springs,
34 um, or a County Sheriff's Office Deputy?
35
36 NI: Not until we made entry into the school.
37
38 MP: Okay, all right.
39
40 TC: And then when you were approaching did -- is that
41 when you noticed the bullet holes or what you --
42
43 NI: I -- I --
44
45 TC: believed
46
47 NI: I thought I -- you know 'cause I started to run.
48 He was behind the car and I -- you know I was
49 getting into almost a full sprint and I was -- I
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1 corner of this, but I could be wrong --
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 NI: -- you know it could've been just -- you know 'cause
6 I heard them saying on the radio third floor.
7
8 MP: Uh-huh.
9
10 NI: I -- I just had that thought because he was behind
11 the car. And my thought was maybe he got shot at.
12 And, I just --
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 NI: -- kept running because I'm -- I'm in the wide. I
17 was wide open and I just -- I just kept going.
18
19 TC: So, you observed it on the north side of the
20 building?
21
22 NI: I -- I thought on this top corner --
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 NI: -- here is is where I looked.
27
28 TC: The northeast side?
29
30 NI: Yeah.
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 NI: Uh, but, you know it could've been a decal on the
35 window, it could've been anything.
36
37 TC: Sure.
38
39 NI: I was running full speed.
40
41 TC: Um, all right. And then so, I guess take us to you
42 link up. And
43
44 NI: Just as I got to the doors, um, they had a key and
45 they were just opening the doors. I was probably,
46 um, next to last through the door because, um,
47 Officer Dettman [phonetic], um, big guy. So, he had
48 his arm up -- when he opened the door, he put his
49 arm up and held his arm up like this here. And, I
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1 remember right, I think he came right in -- behind
2 me.
3
4 MP: Okay.
5
6 NI: And we ended in --
7
8 MP: Now (unintelligible) did you see anyone else
9 taking perimeter around the building --
10
11 NI: No. I didn't --
12
13 MP: either this way, that way or any?
14
15 NI: uh, my -- when that door opened my concentration
16 was on that hallway.
17
18 MP: Just going in? Okay.
19
20 NI: Yeah.
21
22 MP: All right. Go 'head.
23
24 NI: Um -- when the door opened, we went in and kinda
25 fanned out across the 1200 Building.
26
27 MP: Tell you what, you wanna be (unintelligible), um, 12
28
29
30 NI: 1200 Building.
31
32 MP: Okay.
33
34 NI: We -- went in the east doors and kinda fanned out in
35 that hallway. At some point, I -- I kinda ended up
36 to the front. Um, I didn't say in my initial
37 statement, I spent eight years on the SWAT team.
38 Um, so I was pretty confident in covering the
39 hallway. Um, and I -- so I was covering, there were
40 about four of us if I remember, covering down the
41 hallway.
42
43 MP: Uh-huh. Could you describe what the hallway looked
44 like as you entered?
45
46 NI: It -- it was -- it was smoky.
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
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1 remember seeing a magazine which I thought maybe an
2 officer dropped 'cause it looked like the metal one
3 I had in my back pocket, so I didn't know if it
4 would've fallen out or not. Didn't touch it, but I
5 -- I remember seeing that. Um, there were some
6 other --
7
8 MP: What type of rifle did you have?
9
10 NI: I had a, um, uh, an AR-15.
11
12 MP: Okay, all right.
13
14 NI: So, it was -- it was a metal --
15
16 MP: Uh-huh.
17
18 NI: -- magazine. It was in the -- dead smack in the
19 middle of the hallway and, uh, there were nearby,
20 uh, three bodies, um, in the hallway in the cut-out
21 on the left hand side. I don't know I have no
22 idea of the classroom numbers. I never even --
23
24 MP: Right.
25
26 NI: -- looked at a classroom --
27
28 MP: Uh-huh.
29
30 NI: -- number. But, the -- the doors are set back and
31 there was, um, a male and it looked like two females
32
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 NI: -- in the hallway.
37
38 MP: Okay. Um
39
40 TC: Um, and -- and you know I was going through the
41 building 'cause -- you know, we knew it before
42 you know responding through, um, as you go through
43 the building the thing we're interested in is kinda,
44 uh, did you observe any communication issues. Did -
45 - did you have any communication issues?
46
47 NI: I -- I never got on the radio.
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 NI: Um, I don't think I got on the radio 'til two hours
2 later when I was detailed to do something -- some --
3 some other things. Uh --
4
5 MP: So, all the communications that --
6
7 NI: We were mostly --
8
9 MP: you were involved in were just --
10
11 NI: we were mostly
12
13 MP: one on one?
14
15 NI: yeah, we were mostly, you know in -- moving as a
16 group. Um, I remember when we first went in, uh, we
17 had some officers who were entering from the west
18 doors and we yelled to them that we had a -- you
19 know we had a crossfire --
20
21 MP: Got you.
22
23 NI: -- um, and they backed out. Now, I don't know --
24 again it was smoky --
25
26 TC: Uh - huh .
27
28 NI: -- and I was pretty much concentrating on -- on
29 classroom doors down the hallway. I don't remember
30 if they went up the stairway or if they went back
31 out -- back out those doors.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 NI: Um, and then I just -- we just kinda worked our way
36 down the hallway pointing doors. And then at some
37 point, I -- it was myself -- there was, um -- I
38 believe there were two BSO Deputies at that time.
39 There were was one
40
41 MP: That made entrance with you guys?
42
43 NI: I think there was one that made entry with us or --
44 'cause I saw him fairly early in the entry. He was,
45 uh, a -- a black male. He was wearing street
46 clothes
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
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1 And then later on as we made a little way down the
2 hallway there was a -- a taller BSO Deputy in
3 uniform and, um -- 'cause at one point he and I were
4 covering and he was in front of me and he was taller
5 than me and I tapped him. I said, "I'm gonna go
6 down on a knee in the low position to cover," 'cause
7 I couldn't shoot around him if I had to. And at
8 that point right behind me they opened the door to
9 the classroom to evacuate and I held the door with
10 my right leg. While I was down on my knee I held
11 the door open and they kinda funneled -- I could
12 feel the kids -- oh, I'm sorry --
13
14 MP: That's all right.
15
16 NI: -- and our officers funneling out behind me. Um, I
17 don't know his name, you know and I -- I don't -- I
18 don't even know at what point he came in because I
19 was more towards the front covering the hallway as
20 they were taking people -- people out. So, I -- I
21 don't' -- I don't -- I don't remember. And we went
22 right past the -- the three bodies, um, it was a
23 male and two females. Um, the male was obviously
24 deceased. Um, the two females appeared deceased. I
25 didn't check them. I didn't do anything. Again, I
26 was in a cover position --
27
28 MP: Uh-huh.
29
30 NI: -- and, uh, covering the hallway. Later on though
31 when I -- we came back through the hallway, uh, one
32 of the females was removed. So, somebody had
33 removed her.
34
35 MP: Okay. Uh, now as you guys are clearing down the
36 hallway were you giving, this room is clear, this is
37 room is clear as you guys --
38
39 NI: Yeah.
40
41 MP: -- were moving?
42
43 NI: People -- people were calling out. Yeah, we were
44 calling out --
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 NI: -- different commands. Um, you know we had -- man,
49 I -- I gotta tell you it almost -- there were a lot
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2 M: Uh-huh.
3
4 NI: -- and former SWAT guys from Coral Springs that --
5 that were there. And, um, even one or two guys that
6 weren't in SWAT, you would've thought they were. I
7 mean we were calling commands out, you know cover
8 this door, cover -- you know we're covering, we're
9 on the left side, we're covering the right side of
10 the hallway. You know we have the -- the doors on
11 the right side covered as we moved down. Again, I
12 don't know what was going on behind me. My
13 concentration was -- what was in front of me.
14 Because, I'll be honest with you for the first 20
15 minutes, I believed he was in that building.
16
17 MP: Okay.
18
19 NI: Uh --
20
21 MP: And again, and I know you said you didn't relay any
22 information over the radio. But, was your radio on?
23 Could you hear --
24
25 NI: Yeah.
26
27 MP: -- could you hear what was being transmitted?
28
29 NI: Yes.
30
31 MP: And was there any interruption? Could you hear it
32 loud and clear?
33
34 NI: Yeah.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 NI: Yeah, I could hear it. I remember at some point
39 them saying to wait for BSO SWAT. I remember
40 something -- something about that. And, I remember
41 somebody saying don't -- something -- oh, what was
42 it? I -- I can't be 100-percent sure. Something
43 about don't touch the backpacks; he might've brought
44 some bombs with him. I don't know where that came
45 from. I don't know who -- relayed that to us, but
46 we were in there for a little bit when that -- when
47 that came out.
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2 NI: I -- I never went -- the furthest I went after --
3 after -- uh, after we -- we cleared to the very end,
4 um, and I think down in here is a -- an office with
5 some sub-offices in it.
6
7 MP: Okay.
8
9 NI: Um, there was some glass shot out. They were --
10 were broken out there and I remember, um, searching
11 that and coming back out. There also was, um -- you
12 could see there was a big, uh, bloody drag mark
13 somewhere around that area out the doors. And, um,
14 I found out later, I think that's where they -- they
15 took out, uh, the athletic director.
16
17 MP: Okay.
18
19 NI: And when we came back out they said do a secondary
20 search and I paired up with someone and we searched
21 -- we went back and searched two -- some of the
22 classrooms. I don't know the number, but there was
23 a classroom, uh, looked like a female who was
24 deceased, um, on the floor. Um, I think there was
25 another person deceased a little further in -- in
26 there.
27
28 MP: Umm.
29
30 NI: Uh, that's the one you kinda see the video -- the
31 pictures on --
32
33 TC: Uh-huh.
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 NI: -- of her on the floor. Um, that was in that
38 classroom.
39
40 MP: Okay.
41
42 TC: Um, were you still in Building 12 when you found out
43 he was apprehended, the subject was apprehended?
44
45 NI: Yeah.
46
47 TC: Okay. So, um, did you get word of kinda the
48 confusion with, you know is it active? 'Cause again,
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2 NI: It -- I didn't hear any gunshots so to me it wasn't
3 -- it wasn't -- he wasn't actively shooting. I
4 believed that he either committed suicide on one of
5 the other floors or in one of the classrooms or he
6 was holed up with hostages in a classroom. That --
7 until they told -- until they actually -- there was
8 some -- few seconds of confusion, um, about him
9 coming down on the video --
10
11 TC: Uh-huh.
12
13 NI: -- tape -- after that and they had said no, they had
14 him going westbound outside the school. That was
15 the only time I kinda felt comfortable.
16
17 TC: Uh-huh.
18
19 NI: 'Cause I was little -- apprehensive when they said
20 he's on the third floor, he's coming down to the
21 second floor
22
23 TC: Uh-huh.
24
25 NI: -- and guys are saying we're on the second floor, we
26 don't see him. And, I was right there at the
27 stairwell by then. Um, I was almost by this west
28 stairwell, you know waiting for him to come down the
29 stairs. And, then I kinda --
30
31 TC: Was that information relayed through the Coral
32 Springs
33
34 NI: Yeah, I heard it on --
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 NI: -- I heard it on my radio. I -- then I thought
39 maybe he's in another two-story building. Again, I
40 hadn't been on that campus in years.
41
42 TC: Right.
43
44 NI: So, I thought maybe he might've been in another two-
45 story building.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 NI: Then they said -- then they -- you know as it came
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2
3 TC: Got you. Okay. And, on the, um -- I just wanna
4 clarify. So, just to make sure -- so, this 1423 in
5 the report is when you left the school? You -- you
6 left --
7
8 NI: My
9
10 TC: the elementary school you were at?
11
12 NI: Yes.
13
14 TC: You gave me the -- the name right there. I wrote it
15 down.
16
17 NI: Park -- Park Springs Elementary.
18
19 TC: Okay. So, and then three to four minutes to get to
20 there
21
22 NI: Yeah. I would -- I would say probably close to
23 four.
24
25 TC: Okay.
26
27 NI: I was doing about 100 westbound --
28
29 TC: Got you.
30
31 NI: -- on the Sawgrass in the emergency -- in the, uh --
32
33 TC: And, um --
34
35 NI: shoulder lane.
36
37 TC: when you get out of your car did -- at any time
38 did you ever hear any gunshots?
39
40 NI: I did not, no.
41
42 TC: Okay. Uh, and then we did -- we already went over -
43 - you were focused on that entry and looking up, you
44 didn't see past --
45
46 NI: I --
47
48 TC: -- uh, in between the 700 and 800 in this --
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2 TC: vicinity?
3
4 NI: I didn't see anywhere there.
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 NI: Um, there might've been a golf cart somewhere out
9 here, but I don't remember --
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 NI: -- really.
14
15 TC: Um, did you have anything to do with the keys that
16 were passed to --
17
18 NI : I did not.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 NI: They had already -- they were already opening the
23 door
24
25 TC: People were already -- okay.
26
27 NI: -- when I got there.
28
29 MP: Uh-huh.
30
31 NI: I was like the last person in that -- that stack
32 when the door initially opened. I say the last
33 person because, um, Officer Dettman held the door
34 open.
35
36 MP: Uh-huh.
37
38 TC: So, you're saying that door was locked so they had
39 to use keys to actually open that door?
40
41 NI: I'm gonna assume that
42
43 TC: Assume because of --
44
45 NI: -- because that -- that's what it looked --
46
47 MP: Uh-huh.
48
49 NI: -- like they were doing as I got there. There were
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2 TC: Yeah.
3
4 NI: -- ten of us there in a stack and soon as the doors
5 opened, um, I remember we flowed right in.
6
7 TC: And then after you exited, uh, you did other
8 functions which --
9
10 NI: Yeah.
11
12 TC: -- (unintelligible)
13
14 NI: I was -- I was detailed by the Deputy Chief, um, to
15 head down by the, uh, Sawgrass Bridge, the overpass
16 bridge -- that the FBI was there and, um, they were
17 bringing school buses up to transport the kids to
18 another -- to a reunification location and he wanted
19 me to liaison with the FBI and make sure that they
20 got on the buses as they sent 'em up. It happened
21 to be my old squad from the FBI, so I knew everybody
22 there. So, that's why he kinda sent me down there
23 to -- to handle that.
24
25 TC: Um, and the other thing -- 'cause now we're starting
26 to hear about the same about the concerns of the
27 backpacks and stuff, and that came over the radio
28 that there was --
29
30 NI: Somebody -- somebody said that -- I -- I remember
31 hearing don't touch any backpacks in case he brought
32 some bombs
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 NI : - - or some - -
37
38 TC: So, that wasn't an Intel -- like, uh, we think he
39 brought bombs. It was kinda precautionary --
40
41 NI: Yeah.
42
43 TC: but, it's not
44
45 NI: It was just kind of a let's not -- you know, let's
46 not touch. Just remind --
47
48 TC: Right.
49
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1 somebody maybe just assumed because that's what
2 school shooters tend to bring.
3
4 MP: Yeah.
5
6 NI: I -- I don't know.
7
8 TC: Yeah.
9
10 NI: Um, but I remember -- I remember hearing something
11 like that I thought. Yeah, don't touch any
12 backpacks; he might've brought some bombs with him.
13 Just a precautionary, you know kinda like a
14 reminder, don't touch any --
15
16 MP: Uh-huh.
17
18 NI: -- don't touch anything --
19
20 MP: Right.
21
22 NI: -- like that.
23
24 MP: All right. Uh, the next few questions I have is in
25 regards to training. Does your agency have an
26 Active Shooter policy?
27
28 NI: Yes.
29
30 MP: Okay. And, number one how often do you guys go over
31 that training? Do you do that training?
32
33 NI: Uh, we do one -- we do it every year --
34
35 MP: Every year?
36
37 NI: -- especially being in the school. We get -- we get
38 a refresher one.
39
40 MP: And what does it entail?
41
42 TC: (unintelligible) --
43
44 NI: It -- it all -- it's all different. Um, we -- we've
45 had --
46
47 MP: Uh-huh.
48
49 NI: -- one training we had where they -- they actually
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1 blood out of his leg and had an active shooter where
2 they engaged you as you pulled up. They sent you to
3 the call at the range as you pulled up. You know he
4 fires a couple of paint balls at you and takes off
5 running into a building. As you're running there's
6 an officer down and all our training now is to
7 bypass -- if you have an active shooter to bypass.
8 So, they were looking to see who stopped to help the
9 officer or who ran past him and continue to engage
10 'cause you're alone. They sent -- that training
11 they -- I remember they sent the primary car -- they
12 had us down the block and they sent a primary car
13 and they waited 30 seconds to send a back-up. So,
14 the first guy who got there got shot at --
15
16 TC: Uh-huh.
17
18 NI: -- by the active shooter, who ran into the building
19 and he had to go in -- and he went -- they wanted
20 you to go in the building after him. We get that.
21 We get, um, a -- a couple of things. I -- we also
22 have -- we did the active killer training in both of
23 our schools for the teachers, so we're there for
24 that training, um, teaching them -- them stuff.
25
26 MP: Okay.
27
28 NI: But, yeah.
29
30 MP: And ultimately, um, when dealing with an active
31 shooter what were you trained to do with the -- as
32 far as an active shooter?
33
34 NI: Kill 'em. Find 'em and kill 'em, stop 'em.
35
36 MP: When was the last time you received training?
37
38 NI: Um, my last In-Service was, um, probably -- active -
39 - we have In-Service every year and it's scheduled
40 during --
41
42 MP: Uh-huh.
43
44 NI: -- the year. Ours sometimes is scheduled over the
45 summer 'cause we're off. So, it would've probably
46 been -- I don't know the exact dates, but we had the
47 classroom training and then we had --
48
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1 NI: -- our other -- our other training. It's usually 24
2 hours --
3
4 MP: Uh-huh.
5
6 NI: I think that we get, two to three days.
7
8 MP: Do you all train with other agencies?
9
10 NI: Um, I don't remember training outside of being on
11 SWAT --
12
13 MP: Uh-huh.
14
15 NI: -- um, I don't remember training with -- with
16 anybody at our department when we do our In-Service.
17
18 MP: Okay.
19
20 TC: So, you come from a unique position being a School
21 Resource Officer currently as -- as it goes, um, in
22 -- in the trainings that you guys deal with that,
23 um, knowing that you're gonna be the only law
24 enforcement officer at the school if something
25 should happen is there -- is there any training
26 saying you gotta wait for people or anything like
27 that? Or it -- it --
28
29 NI: I --
30
31 TC: bypass all that?
32
33 NI: yeah. I -- I preach to my teachers --
34
35 TC: Uh-huh.
36
37 NI: -- 'cause I'll walk around the school, I'm in an
38 elementary school and I'll try the door handles and
39 when I find one open, later on when I see the
40 teacher, they get a little bit of a lecture. And
41 the lecture they get is you know you just killed
42 everybody in your classroom --
43
44 TC: Uh-huh.
45
46 NI: -- because you left your door open. And, I'm -- if
47 you're hurt or shot, I'm not coming to help you. My
48 job is to kill the killer, is to -- to get him to
49 stop. I said, I might be stepping over you, I might
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2 your savior
3
4 TC: Yeah.
5
6 NI: -- you know. I need to go get the bad guy and --
7 and, you know that's my job. So --
8
9 MP: All right. Understanding that, um, each Resource
10 Officer for the most part from different schools
11 have different trainings, you know per their agency
12 policy, but, uh, is there any, uh, general type of
13 training that you have as a Resource Officer on how
14 to respond to certain situations?
15
16 NI: Hmm, I
17
18 MP: Or was it just --
19
20 NI: I think -- I think what --
21
22 MP: agency --
23
24 NI: I think what
25
26 MP: in the --
27
28 NI: they did is they tailored the In-Service a little
29 more this year -- with, um -- or I say the previous
30 one. We -- we were the first class that they --
31 last year I think that they -- that they tried out.
32 Like, we've been getting, um, First Aid -- First Aid
33 training, you know. They give us the -- and the --
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 NI: -- you know the QuikClots and stuff and that type of
38 training. I think what they tried to do is tailor
39 it a little more 'cause we're in the schools so we
40 get a little more emphasis on building clearing and
41 -- and such, whereas the road guys may get a -- a
42 little bit different. I -- I don't know 'cause I
43 don't do that training, I do my training --
44
45 MP: Uh-huh.
46
47 NI: -- and usually what they do when we -- when we do
48 ours it's mostly, uh, us SROs, you know kinda
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1 MP: Okay. So --
2
3 TC: Do you train with other SROs from around the, um --
4
5 NI: The -- the county?
6
7 TC: -- the county?
8
9 NI: No, I haven't.
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 NI: Outside -~ outside of when we did the Active Killer
16 training in our elementary schools --
17
18 MP: Uh-huh.
19
20 NI: -- there -- there are some other agencies whose guys
21 do that. Like we -- we go to the other schools and
22 help -- help with the Active Killer training day --
23
24 TC: Right.
25
26 NI: -- 'cause you only have X-number of hours to get
27 everything in. That's the only time --
28
29 MP: Have you ever gone to Stoneman Douglas to do the
30 training
31
32 NI: I --
33
34 MP: there?
35
36 NI: no, I haven't been. Uh, prior to this here, it's
37 been years since I've been on that campus, since I
38 was a detective.
39
40 MP: And then vice versa has anyone from Stoneman Douglas
41 come to your school for any type of training?
42
43 NI: Um, I don't believe so, no.
44
45 MP: Okay.
46
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2
3 MP: Okay.
4
5 NI: Do you need me to initial any of the --
6
7 TC: We yeah. And we can do that after --
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 TC: -- but, if you wanna start, you can go ahead.
12
13 MP: Um, and you can do that and listen. Um, in regards
14 to this investigation is there anything that we have
15 either failed to ask you or that you would like to
16 add or clarify in your statement today?
17
18 NI: No.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 MP: Have you been promised anything in exchange for your
23 statement today?
24
25 NI: No.
26
27 MP: We have to ask.
28
29 NI: NO.
30
31 MP: Has the information you've provided during this
32 interview been the truth to the best of your
33 knowledge or recollection?
34
35 NI: To the best of my knowledge, yes.
36
37 MP: Okay. This interview is concluded at 2:19 p.m., on
38 Monday, May 14th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT DAVID KIRKLAND, EI-26-0079,
2 08/30/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 DK SERGEANT DAVID KIRKLAND
10
11 MP: Today's date is Thursday, August 30th, 2018. The
12 time now is approximately 9:46 a.m. I am Inspector
13 Meschelle Pittman of the Office of Executive
14 Investigations. Also present at this time is
15 Inspector Troy Cope. The location of this interview
16 is the Coral Springs Police Department. I will be
17 questioning Sergeant David Kirkland as a witness in
18 an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-
19 0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
20 investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
26 being given by you as part of the investigation into
27 the law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
28 Douglas School shooting that occurred on February
29 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear here
30 today and are being compelled to provide this
31 statement. Do you understand what I just explained
32 to you?
33
34 DK: Yes, I do.
35
36 MP: Okay. Prior to beginning this interview, you should
37 be aware of the following. This interview is being
38 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer I am
39 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
40 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
41 you. You will be under oath, and if you knowingly
42 provide false statements, you can be criminally
43 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
44 items I've just informed you of?
45
46 DK: Yes, I do.
47
48 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record
49 reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do you
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1 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth,
2 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
3
4 DK: I do.
5
6 MP: Okay. Please state your full name for the record.
7
8 DK: David Kirkland.
9
10 MP: Okay . . And your current place of employment?
11
12 DK: Coral Springs Police Department.
13
14 MP: Okay. And how long have you been a sergeant?
15
16 DK: I've been a sergeant for about nine and a half
17 years.
18
19 MP: Okay. And how long have you been employed with the
20 Coral Springs PD?
21
22 DK: Twenty years.
23
24 MP: In a sworn capacity the entire time?
25
26 DK: Sworn -- sworn capacity since February of 1999. I
27 was hired as a law enforcement trainee, non-sworn
28 in, uh, April of 1998.
29
30 MP: Okay. Um, as we indicated to you before going on
31 record, we actually have a list of questions that
32 we, uh -- we're gonna ask you and we'll ask that you
33 recall as much as you can, but if you can't that's
34 fine also. And we also have a couple of maps here
35 that we'll ask for you to kinda draw on where you
36 were, your positioning the day of the, um, the
37 incident. Okay?
38
39 DK: Okay.
40
41 MP: If you have any questions feel free to chime in, but
42 Troy and I both will be asking you questions from
43 this point on.
44
45 DK: Okay.
46
47 MP: Okay.
48
49 TC: On February 14th, 2018, uh, did you become involved
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2
3 DK: I did.
4
5 TC: Okay. On that date, do you recall what your radio
6 call sign would've been?
7
8 DK: Yes, I do.
9
10 TC: What was that?
11
12 DK: Sierra 21.
13
14 TC : 0 ka y . So, C - -
15
16 DK: "S."
17
18 TC: Or, I'm sorry.
19
20 MP: "S."
21
22 TC: S-21. And do you recall what you were wearing on
23 that day?
24
25 DK: I do.
26
27 TC: And what was --
28
29 DK: I was wearing, um, black, uh, I mean -- yes, black,
30 uh, pants -- dress pants and a tan, uh, polo shirt
31 similar to the one I have on right now.
32
33 TC: And can you describe how you became involved with
34 the incident?
35
36 DK: I work in the Office of Internal Affairs, so I work
37 predominately in an office setting. I was in my
38 office. There was a lot of commotion going on. Uh,
39 I heard sirens. I turned up the volume on my radio.
40 I heard, uh, the dispatchers giving out, uh, a call
41 of a possible shooting incident at Stoneman Douglas
42 High School. One of the employees that works in my
43 office, uh, her, uh, family goes to, uh, Douglas so
44 I said, "Miriam, there's a shooting at Douglas." I
45 said, "You know make sure that Max is okay." Uh, I
46 head out to the scene. So, I went --
47
48 MP: Do you recall -- sorry to interrupt. What radio
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1 DK: Main channel, I was on main channel.
2
3 MP: The Coral Springs main channel?
4
5 DK: Yes.
6
7 MP: Okay.
8
9 DK: So, I was -- when I sit at my desk, I usually have
10 the radio there at my desk and I was listening and
11 that's when I heard the commotion on the main
12 channel. So --
13
14 MP: Uh-huh.
15
16 DK: -- um, normally working in Internal Affairs I don't
17 go out to in-progress scenes 'cause if there's a
18 shooting, I end up investigating shootings.
19
20 MP: Hmm.
21
22 DK: But, in this case, you know I -- I went downstairs.
23 I put on my tactical vest. I got my, uh, tactical
24 rifle --
25
26 MP: Uh-huh.
27
28 DK: -- my tactical carbine and I proceeded out to the
29 scene. I went, uh, out from the Coral Springs
30 Police Department. I went northbound on Coral
31 Springs Drive. Uh, as I approached Westview Drive
32 there was a lot of traffic. Uh, people were
33 directing traffic in the intersections. Uh, looking
34 at the -- the map, the overview of the area, uh,
35 where it says Pine Island Road, I ended up stopping
36 my vehicle, uh, directly under the Sawgrass
37 Expressway on Pine Island Road and at that point in
38 time, I could go no further, there was so much
39 traffic congestion at that point.
40
41 So, I stopped my car, uh, under the overpass and
42 when I exited my vehicle I had my vest -- my
43 tactical vest, my tactical rifle, um, and Chief
44 Clyde Parry was -- who was a deputy chief at the
45 time, he saw me and he said, "Dave, I need you to
46 come with me," start, you know taking notes. "We
47 gotta start you know taking notes and make sure that
48 we document everything." So, I stayed with Chief
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1 helped Officer Weber direct the bus in. Uh, we got
2 the bus parked and then started to set up the
3 command post, the -- the bus.
4
5 MP: Do you recall around what time, uh, this all started
6 happening for you when you heard it over the radio
.7 and responded?
8
9 DK: Oh, gosh.
10
11 MP: Just an estimate if you --
12
13 DK: Um, I -- I -- probably around the 2:00 hour --
14
15 MP: Uh-huh.
16
17 DK: -- somewhere around there maybe.
18
19 MP: And how long did it take you to get from here to the
20 school?
21
22 DK: It probably took me less than -- less than three
23 minutes.
24
25 MP: Okay. So, it's --
26
27 DK: Yeah. It's a short
28
29 MP: very close.
30
31 DK: yeah, it's a short drive.
32
33 TC: Uh-huh.
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 TC: Can you, uh, with the pen there mark approximately
38 where the command bus ended up being parked?
39
40 DK: Certainly. Um --
41
42 MP: So, wait, wait, before you do that, did you stay
43 parked there under the, uh, Sawgrass Expressway or
44 did you ever move your car?
45
46 DK: Uh, eventually I moved my car. Uh --
47
48 MP: Okay.
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1 Coconut Creek, Mike Leonard identified that he may
2 be out with the subject, I jumped in my car and went
3 to assist Officer Leonard.
4
5 MP: Okay.
6
7 DK: But, up until that point, I was there the whole
8 time.
9
10 MP: Okay. Can you put an "X" there, uh, where you were
11 parked?
12
13 DK: Sure thing.
14
15 MP: Let's -- let's get that and all that. Okay. Now
16 from there, um, where did you go, uh, with the
17 command --
18
19 DK: Uh, I stayed
20
21 MP: bus?
22
23 DK: I stayed within that small area directly under
24 the Sawgrass Expressway. Uh, the command bus ended
25 up getting parked under the Sawgrass Expressway.
26 Uh, the command bus --
27
28 MP: Near where you were?
29
30 DK: Correct. I was -- I was over here in the northbound
31 lanes. Uh, the command bus pulled up in the
32 southbound lanes.
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 DK: So, the command bus pulled up in the southbound
37 lanes, uh, and we got the -- the bus parked, um, and
38 then Officer Weber, uh -- I got on the bus, uh,
39 Chief Parry got on the bus. There are dry erase
40 boards. I used to be a hostage negotiator --
41
42 MP: Uh-huh.
43
44 DK: -- so, I'm familiar with the bus. I've spent a lot
45 of time on that bus. So, I, you know had the dry
46 erase boards and then I -- I just waited for Chief
47 Parry to give me further instructions.
48
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2 DK: Yeah, it was --
3
4 MP: -- approximately where you were. But
5
6 DK: Yeah, it is. It's, uh, it's gonna be difficult with
7 all the -- the wording here.
8
9 MP: Yeah.
10
11 DK: But --
12
13 MP: Okay. That's -- that's perfect right there.
14
15 DK: Yeah.
16
17 MP: Okay.
18
19 TC: Um, can you kinda describe -- did orders come down
20 or what were your activities there?
21
22 DK: Oh, my activities were simply to support the chief
23 in anything that he might need. Uh, working
24 Internal Affairs I report directly to the Chief, so,
25 uh, I stayed on the bus, uh, with, uh, Chief Parry
26 and I just awaited his instructions. Um, there was
27 already a response that was taking place. So, I --
28 I stayed on the command bus and I stayed in the area
29 awaiting further instructions. Uh, I didn't have
30 any responsibilities, uh, at that point. There was
31 a point in time I described earlier where Officer
32 Mike Leonard with Coconut Creek Police Department
33 called over the radio and said, "I may be out with
34 the subject." And he gave a location, so I
35 immediately jumped in my vehicle and went to the
36 location where the shooter was ultimately
37 apprehended.
38
39 MP: Okay. Did you assist with the apprehension of -- of
40 the shooter? Or was he --
41
42 DK: I did not. When I -- when I arrived on scene the
43 shooter was already secure, handcuffed, um, on the
44 ground so, I -- I merely went there just to, uh, be
45 present.
46
47 MP: Okay. Um, while you were on the bus, um, was the
48 radio -- I'm assuming the radio was still live, um,
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2 DK: Yes.
3
4 MP: -- regarding the shooter? Were there any
5 communication issues at all with the radio?
6
7 DK: Um, I did not detect any communication is.sues. Uh,
8 I mean everything -- all the transmissions that I
9 was hearing seemed to be loud and clear.
10
11 MP: Uh-huh.
12
13 DK: Uh, there was one point where, uh, they discovered a
14 delay. I guess they had some officers who were
15 watching a -- a monitor -- a video monitor and I --
16 I distinctly remember there was a point when they
17 were saying, you know he went out, I think the west
18 side of the school. And then -- then they
19 discovered there was like a 20-minute delay --
20
21 MP: Uh-huh.
22
23 DK: -- uh, I guess in the video loop. Uh, but other
24 than that, uh, I didn't -- I didn't notice any
25 issues with the radio.
26
27 MP: Okay. Are you aware of any issues that occurred
28 that day? And specifically dealing with your
29 command center you're -- the bus, did you guys have
30 any issues?
31
32 DK: No. I mean, I -- none that I was aware of. We
33 ultimately had other command vehicles arrive
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 DK: -- uh, from, uh, federal and state and the county,
38 uh, officials. We had a lot of people on scene as
39 you can imagine. Uh, so we had several command
40 vehicles on scene, a lot of personnel were on scene.
41 Uh, but everything seemed to be running pretty
42 smooth at that point.
43
44 MP: Um, if you recall were you guys -- receiving
45 communication back from any other Coral Springs
46 officer who had already been there on scene, uh,
47 just giving updates as to what was going on inside
48 of the building?
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1 specific communications. Um, one thing with the
2 radio when I'm on scene the radio almost becomes
3 secondary for me because my focus is to assist the
4 chief and the personnel --
5
6 MP: Uh-huh.
7
8 DK: -- that might need me. So, at that point in time,
9 the radio almost becomes distracting.
10
11 MP: Right.
12
13 DK: So, I I kinda tuned out the radio at that point.
14
15 MP: Okay. Fair enough.
16
17 TC: Um, you talked about, uh, kinda having to be a
18 scribe in a sense of some of the things when you
19 arrived at the command post. Um, was there anything
20 -- a report or did you maintain that information?
21
22 DK: No, there -- there really wasn't that much
23 initially. Uh, they -- like I said, I cleaned the
24 dry erase boards on the bus and I had the -- the
25 markers ready to start taking notes, uh, as
26 information came in. The only notes that I took,
27 uh, were the -- the name. Initially when they said
28 you know, we may have a name, you know I -- I put
29 down the name, I put down a physical description.
30 Uh, but short of that I didn't take any other notes.
31
32 TC: And was this -- did this -- 'cause it was the
33 agency's command center or command bus that arrived.
34 Did it ever become a joint command center at any
35 point?
36
37 DK: There were personnel. Uh, we had some Broward
38 Sheriff's Office personnel that, uh, were on the
39 bus. We set-up a -- a, uh -- an area for our SWAT
40 dispatchers, our tactical dispatchers, uh, so we --
41 we had them come on the bus. But, we did have some
42 uh, BSO personnel that were, uh, present on the bus.
43 And then their bus eventually showed up. I think
44 the -- the FBI had a bus that showed up. So, once
45 all the other command posts showed up, I think
46 people went to their respective command posts.
47
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1 DK: As -- as I remember it was.
2
3 MP: Okay. So, therefore other -- I guess command staffs
4 were coming to your bus until their buses arrived.
5
6 DK: Correct. I
7
8 MP: Okay.
9
10 DK: -- think when we got there -- like I said, it's a
11 large Blue Bird bus and --
12
13 MP: Uh-huh.
14
15 DK: -- and I think when the other personnel arrived, you
16 know they identified that as probably a meeting
17 location.
18
19 MP: Got it .
20
21 TC: Um, do you recall any of the information that was
22 relayed, um, to the officers in the field from the
23 bus and what kind of tasks or anything?
24
25 DK: I -- I don't. I don't remember anything, like I
26 said the radio -- at -- at that point in time the
27 radio's almost distracting for me. Uh, so there are
28 other personnel with our dispatchers on board, uh,
29 that was their primary responsibility. So, I -- I
30 didn't pay much attention to the radio
31 transmissions.
32
33 TC: Okay. And were there any issues, conflicts, uh,
34 within the command center, um, that were either
35 technical, mechanical or personnel related that you
36 recall?
37
38 DK: No. We -- once we got on the bus we identified the
39 need, uh, to get dispatchers on scene. Uh, so we --
40 we did get the dispatchers there. Uh, I don't
41 recall any other issues that we experienced with the
42 bus. Everything else seemed to be functioning
43 normally.
44
45 TC: Okay. And, uh, just to be consistent across all the
46 interviews, uh, when you arrived on scene at any
47 point did you hear any gunshots?
48
49 DK: I did not.
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2
3 DK: I did not.
4
5 MP: What about over the radio?
6
7 DK: I did.
8
9 MP: You heard the gunshots over the radio?
10
11 DK: I did. When -- when the commotion all began
12 initially, I turned the volume up on my radio, you
13 know 'cause something's going on. Uh, and I heard
14 the dispatcher giving out the information and I
15 believe they said something to the effect of you
16 know, shots are being fired and you could hear in
17 the background, uh, the shots -- what sounded like
18 gunfire.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 TC: And you said that's coming from the dispatcher, so
23 that would've been over the phone at the Dispatch
24 Center or from another officer keying up?
25
26 DK: You know that's -- that's a question I -- you know
27 you'd have to ask the dispatchers. But the -- the
28 Communications Center when they're keying up and
29 they're giving out information, uh, if they have
30 somebody who's receiving live time information you
31 may get feedback over the dispatcher's microphone.
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 DK: And I believe that's what we were probably hearing.
36
37 MP: That's what you heard, uh-huh.
38
39 DK: Yeah.
40
41 TC: Okay. And also being consistent across everybody's
42 interviews at any time did you have -- any
43 interaction with Deputy Scot Peterson?
44
45 DK: No, I did not.
46
47 TC: Okay.
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2
3 MP: -- training questions here now, um, does your agency
4 have a policy or written directive that addresses
5 how to deal with, um, active shooter situations or
6 similar situations?
7
8 DK: We do. We we have -- uh, part of our training
9 curriculum
10
11 TC: I don' t know.
12
13 DK: -- uh, goes into active shooter response. Uh, it's
14 something that we do train for.
15
16 MP: Okay. And how often, um, do you guys receive that
17 type of training?
18
19 DK: Um, generally annually. We have our annual in-
20 service training that's conducted every year.
21
22 MP: Uh-huh.
23
24 DK: And every year there's some segment of that training
25 that involves, uh, a shooting incident or active
26 shooter incident. Uh, we'll go out to the range.
27 Uh, you know they'll start discharging, uh, blank
28 rounds and say, you know you got a shooter and you
29 gotta go, go, go and you know attack the problem.
30 Uh, so we do have that training --
31
32 MP: And actually
33
34 DK: uh, pretty regular.
35
36 MP: that leads right into my next question. How are
37 you taught to deal with active shooters?
38
39 DK: Uh, we are taught to address the threat immediately.
40 Uh, the -- the doctrine years ago when I started was
41 somewhat different. We were taught to assemble, get
42 a -- a team -- an arrest team and then go in as a
43 team. Uh, but after Columbine a lot of things
44 changed and our training changed as well
45 commensurate with that, so now we are taught that if
46 you have a shooting incident you go in, one person
47 and you attack the threat.
48
49 MP: Okay. So, you don't wait on anyone?
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1 DK: You -- we don't wait, we don't wait. If we have a
2 shooting incident, an active shooter incident, uh,
3 first person there, identify the threat, attack the
4 threat and eliminate the threat.
5
6 MP: Okay. Have anything else? All right. In regards
7 to this investigation everything that we've
8 discussed today is there anything that we have
9 either failed to ask you or that you would like to
10 add or clarify in your statement today?
11
12 DK: No. I think we've covered everything.
13
14 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
15 for this information you've provided for us today?
16
17 DK: I have not.
18
19 MP: Has the information you've provided during this
20 interview been the truth to the best of our
21 knowledge or recollection?
22
23 DK: Yes.
24
25 MP: All right. This interview is concluded at 10:03
26 a.m., on Thursday, August 30th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT CARLA KMIOTEK, #EI-26-0079,
2 5/15/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 BB BRANDY BURNS
9 SM STEPHEN MELNICK, ESQ.
10 CK SERGEANT CARLA KMIOTEK
11
12 KR: All right. Today's date is May the 15th, 2018. It's
13 approximately 10:10 a.m. I'm Inspector Keith
14 Riddick of the Office of Executive Investigations.
15 Also present is Brandy Burns [phonetic] . Location
16 of this interview is the -- oh, I'm sorry -- and FOP
17 attorney, Steve Melnick. Um, location of this
18 interview is the 2300 -- or is 2300 High Ridge Road,
19 uh, Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning
20 Sergeant -- Sergeant, uh, Carla Kmiotek -- did I
21 mess it up? -- as a witness in an official FDLE
22 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. I am the
23 Inspector in charge of this investigation.
24
25 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
26 FDLE to investigate law enforcement response, uh, to
27 the shooting at Parkland. Uh, for the record, I'd
28 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
29 being given by you as part of that investigation
30 into that law enforcement response to the MSD school
31 shooting that occurred on February 14th, 2018. You
32 have been subpoenaed to appear today and are being
33 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
34 understand?
35
36 CK: Yes.
37
38 KR: All right. Thank you. Prior to beginning this
39 interview should be -- you should be aware of the
40 following: This interview is being recorded. As a
41 sworn law enforcement officer, I am empowered to
42 administer oaths and take statements. In a moment
43 I'll be taking a sworn statement from you. You will
44 be under oath and if you knowing -- knowingly
45 provide false statements, you can be criminally
46 charged with perjury. Do you -- do you understand
47 each of the items I've just informed you of?
48
49 CK: Yes.
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1 KR: All right. Thank you. Please raise your right
2 hand. Let the record reflect the sergeant has
3 raised her right hand. Do you solemnly swear or
4 affirm the information you're about to give today is
5 the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
6 truth, so help you God?
7
8 CK: Yes.
9
10 KR: All right. Thank you, ma'am. Please state your
11 full name, current place of employment, and how long
12 you have been employed there.
13
14 CK: Carla Marie Kmiotek, and it's K-M-I-0-T-E-K. And I
15 work for the City of Coral Springs Police
16 Department, and I've been there approximately 17
17 years.
18
19 KR: All right. Do you have prior law enforcement
20 experience?
21
22 CK: I worked for a year for the Florida Capitol Police -
23
24
25 KR: Okay.
26
27 CK: -- which is actual now part of FDLE.
28
29 KR: Yes, yes. Okay. Uh, all right. Well, thank you.
30 Um, on February 14th what was your position with
31 CSPD?
32
33 CK: The Sergeant of the Training Unit.
34
35 KR: Okay. All right. How did you first hear of the
36 shooting at Douglas?
37
38 CK: I was actually in a meeting with my captain and the,
39 uh, training assistant, YOU [phonetic] assistant for
40 both the, um, units; she sits right outside my
41 captain's office. And we were in a closed door
42 meeting, and she actually peek -- poked her head in
43 and said, "I think there's an active shooter, uh, at
44 Douglas High School right now."
45
46 KR: All right. Then what did you do?
47
48 CK: Ran down three flights of stairs, um, almost face
49 planted, and, uh, got to the -- got to my car. I
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1 drove to the school.
2
3 KR: All right. And your P.D is minutes away from
4 school.
5
6 CK: Say a couple miles.
7
8 KR: Yeah. Approximately.
9
10 CK: Maybe three at max, yeah.
11
12 KR: Okay. Um, one of the things we're trying to re-
13 create is where everybody, when they got there,
14 where they went. Um --
15
16 CK: Uh-huh.
17
18 KR: So I have some maps. Okay. And that's Sawgrass,
19 there's the school, Holmberg, the Village Inn
20 [phonetic] . When you first got on scene where did
21 you park?
22
23 CK: This is Sawgrass. This is
24
25 KR: Pine Island?
26
27 CK: -- Coral Springs Drive or Pine Island --
28
29 KR: Yeah.
30
31 CK: -- which is what I took all the way there. I'm
32 assuming this is the parking lot of the school?
33
34 KR: Yes, ma'am. Yeah. That's the --
35
36 CK: So --
37
38 KR: Yeah, that's the -- the bus loop and then the first
39 parking lot.
40
41 CK: Somewhere, like, in between here. Like, I don't
42 know if it was the entrance here, but it was right -
43 - it was on --
44
45 KR: In that approximate area.
46
47 CK: it was on the, uh, south side of the school.
48
49 KR: Okay.
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1 CK: In the front area. So I --
2
3 KR: All right. If you would, just a little circle there
4 or something like that.
5
6 CK: Somewhere here.
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 CK: Like, I don't know if it was here or here, but it
11 was --
12
13 KR : It 's --
14
15 CK: -- an entrance.
16
17 KR: It's close enough. We're just trying to get a -- an
18 idea.
19
20 CK: It was on Pine Island, though, like, as a couple
21 cars were stacked up.
22
23 KR: All right. When you arrived, were you by yourself?
24
25 CK: I was --
26
27 KR: Did you team up?
28
29 CK: I was by myself, but my, uh, training officer, um,
30 Officer Cabero [phonetic], was actually -- had
31 pulled up at the same time as me, and so we got out.
32 We had ballistic helmets. I put my ballistic
33 helmet. We also have outer, uh -- uh, like, thigh
34 rigs with, uh, medical equipment. I threw that on.
35 Grabbed my rifle, and him and I ran, um, along with,
36 uh, I believe it was Officer Wiznat [phonetic],
37 through the front parking lot. There were like
38 several parents that parked already there. I don't
39 know, for release, and we were yelling at them to
40 get down. So we ran north through the parking lot.
41
42 KR: All right. On this map, if you would, show me,
43 again, just put where --
44
45 CK: Uh-huh .
46
47 KR: -- you were parked, and then show me which -- now,
48 where you went through the school. Um, this is Pine
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2 CK: I was -- I don't know if it was this entrance here.
3 I'm not sure what --
4
5 KR: Right.
6
7 CK: -- that is, but it was --
8
9 KR: Uh-huh.
10
11 CK: -- somewhere around this.
12
13 KR: Uh-huh .
14
15 CK: And then we ran -- I'm supposed to -- like, you want
16 me to draw?
17
18 KR: A -- a line, yeah. You can just --
19
20 CK: Okay.
21
22 KR: -- make a line.
23
24 CK: Just through this front parking lot area, in between
25 the two rows.
26
27 KR: Okay. All right.
28
29 CK: And then --
30
31 KR: Where did you end up at? This is the 1200 Building.
32
33 CK: This is where I first was.
34
35 KR: Okay.
36
37 CK: On this corner, assessing for a few seconds. I'm
38 not sure how long.
39
40 KR: Yeah.
41
42 CK: Then I made it to, like -- here's this corner where
43 this little divot is.
44
45 KR: Yes.
46
47 CK: And we were holding. And then Officer Cabera held
48 the windows up there, and that's when I ran to the
49 front of the 1200 Building.
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1 KR: When you, uh -- when you went 10-97, while you're
2 making your way to the 1200 Building
3
4 CK: I didn't go on the radio and say "10-97."
5
6 KR: No, okay, well
7
8 CK: Yeah.
9
10 KR: Neither did a lot --
11
12 CK: Yeah.
13
14 KR: -- of other people, but --
15
16 CK: That was not a --
17
18 KR: it's understandable.
19
20 CK: priority.
21
22 KR: Um, but on your way there -- let's back up a few
23 minute -- a second. On your way there, were you
24 getting any information on the radio on what's going
25 on?
26
27 CK: Yes.
28
29 KR: All right. Do you remember what's coming from
30 Dispatch? From somebody on scene?
31
32 CK: I remember from hearing from Officer Burton.
33
34 KR: Uh - huh .
35
36 CK: I remember him giving a description, um, and then I
37 don't know who specifically -- I'd have to re-listen
38 to the actual tape -- but somebody saying, um, that
39 it was on the north, uh, east part of campus, a
40 three-story building, which is what drew us --
41
42 KR: That's why you
43
44 CK: over there.
45
46 KR: needed to go there.
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1 CK: And I'm not sure at what point in the transmission,
2 because again, I didn't hear the initial ones. I
3 didn't have my, um, radio up. I was in a closed
4 door meeting.
5
6 KR: Okay. Um, en route, or for that matter any time you
7 were there, did you have any issues with your
8 communications?
9
10 CK: No.
11
12 KR: Okay. Did you -- were you on the radio any at all?
13
14 CK: Not -- I was at some point once we were inside the
15 building. I went to 2 Channel and had asked of --
16 um, for the incident command, because we were trying
17 to look for a key for, uh, the elevator --
18
19 KR: Uh - huh .
20
21 CK: -- and some of the rooms. But I didn't never really
22 get on and give any directives. I mean, it was
23 pretty
24
25 KR: But you were
26
27 CK: (unintelligible).
28
29 KR: able to hear? You were able --
30
31 CK: Correct.
32
33 KR: -- to talk when you needed --
34
35 CK: Yes.
36
37 KR: -- needed to talk?
38
39 CK: Uh-huh.
40
41 KR: Uh, did you hear anybody express issues with their
42 radios?
43
44 CK: Yes.
45
46 KR: Either your people or other people?
47
48 CK: Not our people. Um, after we had finished clearing,
49 uh, the first floor, I was brought to the third
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1 They finished their clearing of that, and we
2 reconvened on the first floor. Um, it was at that
3 point our communications said something about, um,
4 getting a call about a possible suspect location,
5 and I had said to the BSO people that were around,
6 and they said that "We don't have any radio
7 communications right now." And I said, "Okay." So
8 I was relaying to them whatever I was hearing.
9
10 KR: What was coming --
11
12 CK: Right.
13
14 KR: -- from your -- all right. They did a patch at one
15 time, which, uh -- what I'm -- I'm hearing. Uh,
16 would you have noticed when that patch happened?
17 Did they announce it or
18
19 CK: They -- they may have. Um, it was pretty hectic --
20
21 KR: Do you remember
22
23 CK: inside.
24
25 KR: hearing any BSO people on your channel?
26
27 CK: I do not.
28
29 KR: Um, once you're 10-97 you hear any gunshots?
30
31 CK: No.
32
33 KR: Okay. Never heard gunshots the entire time you were
34 there?
35
36 CK: No.
37
38 KR: Okay. Um, do you remember the, uh -- the
39 transmission, the conversation, or however you want
40 to put it, about the, uh, "He's on the second
41 floor." Turns out it's actually he was already
42 gone.
43
44 CK: Yes.
45
46 KR: Okay. Just basically that, but they --
47
48 CK: Right. There was some confusion, 'cause we were
49 actually still on the first floor, and we had people
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1 floor holding, and then it was just a little bit of
2 confusion. But we were still moving --
3
4 KR: Uh-huh.
5
6 CK: -- uh, through that building and taking kids out and
7 clearing classrooms just the same. It actually
8 pushed us in there faster, if anything, because we
9 thought he was inside there the whole time we were
10 there.
11
12 KR: All right. Um, do you remember who that was -- was
13 coming from?
14
15 CK: I don' t .
16
17 KR: Okay. It's understood. It's okay. Um, when you
18 got to -- wait. Okay. You made your way through
19 this parking lot, around -- originally to the, um,
20 it would be the northeast corner of the 800
21 Building, and then more to the north of the 800
22 Building. Do you, uh -- do you remember seeing any
23 other officers, BSO units, in the area?
24
25 CK: When I got there, um, there -- it was mostly Springs
26 officers at these buildings that -- where I first
27 pulled through. It was -- um, so when I came up to
28 this corner --
29
30 KR: Yes.
31
32 CK: -- there was two Springs officers there, and then
33 me, Officer Cabero and Officer Wiznat moved up to
34 this position.
35
36 KR: Uh - huh .
37
38 CK: Um, and that's when I saw outside these doors here
39 it was a BSO, uh, deputy that was wearing, like, a
40 red shirt and jeans and an outer carrier --
41
42 KR: Uh-huh.
43
44 CK: -- like plainclothes, but then had --
45
46 KR : Uh-huh .
47
48 CK: -- thrown a carrier. And an officer, uh, carrying
49 somebody out. And that's when I -- they, like,
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1 KR: Yeah.
2
3 CK: Like, that's the one. And that's when I ran over
4 there, um, assuming they needed --
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 CK: -- assistance with a victim. So I saw that BSO
9 deputy, and then there was another one in full
10 uniform, um, who was inside and helping, too. I
11 don't know his name. I don't know his jurisdiction.
12
13 KR: That's okay. I understand.
14
15 CK: And then there -- after that point, because we were
16 in here pulling kids out, there was
17
18 KR: Uh - huh .
19
20 CK: -- I saw some on golf carts, um, one in like almost
21 a tactical
22
23 KR: Uh - huh .
24
25 CK: -- BSO, um, holding a position here. Somebody
26 one of them on a golf cart was the deputies --
27
28 KR: Okay.
29
30 CK: -- I saw until we finished clearing the first
31 building, and then I saw three coming and go up
32
33 KR: Go up --
34
35 CK: the staircase.
36
37 KR: Who were your two officers that were already at the
38 corner when you got there?
39
40 CK: Um, Officer Kempinski [phonetic] and Officer Rincon
41 [phonetic].
42
43 KR: Okay. All right. I just want to make sure I'm
44 talking to everybody. Uh, to be specific, when you
45 got to this area, you're advancing to the, uh --
46
47 SM: Back in a minute.
48
49 KR: Go ahead, sir -- advancing to the 1200 Building. Do
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2
3 CK: I don't at all. I -- I was locked in on, um, that
4 building. Once I saw them pulling someone out --
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 CK: -- I realized, okay, we have victims in there and --
9 and we need to get over there.
10
11 KR: That's understandable. Let me look at this real
12 quick. You have any questions?
13
14 BB: No.
15
16 KR: Okay. Are you a SWAT operator?
17
18 CK: No, I'm not.
19
20 KR: Okay. I'll ask you the harder questions now. Does
21 your agency have a, uh, active shooter policy?
22
23 CK: Yes, we do.
24
25 KR: And I understand you wrote it.
26
27 CK: Correct.
28
29 KR: Okay. All right. How often do you train in that
30 active shooter policy?
31
32 CK: Every year.
33
34 KR: Every year?
35
36 CK: We incorporate. We build on it. We train in active
37 shooter. Um, we train in also tactical medicine,
38 and we always incorporate the two in, uh, some sort
39 of, um, hands-on classroom, as well as scenario-
40 based. Um, we do, uh, fit-for-duty, like a fitness
41 thing, and sometimes part of our active shooter w.ill
42 be incorporated in a scenario where they have to
43 grab their rifle, run with it, engage a suspect, and
44 then provide medicine, uh, to victims and -- and
45 pull them to a command post. So --
46
47 KR: Are all your people, are they basic life support
48 trained or -- or basic first aid?
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2 responder, or relief, or, uh, they're trained in
3 what would be considered, uh, the Bee Connor
4 [phonetic] Bleeding Control. They -- everyone has
5 tourniquets, combat gauze, chest seals, um, and --
6
7 KR: Okay.
8
9 CK: -- trauma dressings.
10
11 KR: All right. Um, the SWAT team, I know they train --
12 train weekly, I think is what --
13
14 CK: Every two weeks, yes.
15
16 KR: Every two weeks.
17
18 CK: Uh-huh.
19
20 KR: Um, are you -- do you write their training, also, or
21 do you --
22
23 CK: I do not.
24
25 KR: Okay. You -- all right. Um, we'll leave that,
26 then. Okay. What's the last time your agency had
27 active shooter training?
28
29 CK: It -- well, we run our in-service all year, so it
30 basically goes
31
32 KR: Depends on them?
33
34 CK: Uh, yeah. They go throughout the year, but every
35 year, um, they're provided that training. So every
36 officer signs up. We usually hold about 25 sessions
37 of training throughout the year. We have our FDLE
38 mandates, and then we incorporate, um, just this
39 past year it was doing what's called "combat
40 clearing" or; um, for an active shooter response,
41 and we did single-line, multiple-officer response.
42
43 KR: Okay.
44
45 CK: As well as tactical
46
47 KR: So that's --
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49 CK: medicine training.
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1 KR: All right. That was the next question. What is
2 your policy say to do when you've responded to an
3 active shooter? What does it say to do?
4
5 CK: Um, our policy, we do single-officer response, if
6 that's what's
7
8 KR: Uh, it's just
9
10 CK: If it's just you, um, we've trained that way, um,
11 since prior to me coming in the training unit, which
12 was in 2015. Yeah, the January, 2015, is when I
13 took over training, but we had been training that
14 way prior.
15
16 KR: Okay.
17
18 CK: Um, single-officer response. Um, obviously, if
19 there's someone right there it's always best to have
20 a back-up, but --
21
22 KR: Right.
23
24 CK: -- we -- we train you can't wait. Um, we train
25 them, and again, using a contact team, which is how
26 our policy is written, so the first few officers on
27 scene are supposed to be the contact team, um, if
28 they know or have active stimulus drawing them to
29 the shooter. If not, we train them they've gotta
30 you know, they're still in the expeditious response,
31 but they need to slow up a little bit and, uh, move
32 a little bit more methodically, uh, because we never
33 know, obviously, if there's second shooters, if
34 there's any explosives, any -- what kind of attack -
35
36
37 KR: Right.
38
39 CK: -- it is. So that's how we train them.
40
41 KR: Right. So officer by himself, go do it. Team of
42 officers become a contact team?
43
44 CK: Well, a contact officer or contact team is how --
45
46 KR: (Unintelligible).
47
48 CK: -- it's written. So if you're the first officer on
49 scene, or first few officers on scene, you're
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2
3 KR: Neutralized or --
4
5 CK: -- contained, right, uh, eliminated or contained,
6 um, in custody. So that would be a case if you have
7 active stimulus, as well.
8
9 KR: Uh-huh.
10
11 CK: So this was kind of a unique, um, situation in that,
12 um, we also do the rescue task force training, but
13 it wasn't that -- it wasn't that kind of scene. It
14 couldn't have been based on the intelligence that we
15 had at the time. So we had almost a joint effort of
16 a contact team, which was moving, holding, clearing,
17 along with the medical element, which was officers
18 that were extricating and triaging and taking people
19 to the collection point. ·
20
21 KR: And the term "contacting" in this -- this scenario -
22 - you're talking about they are to make contact with
23 the subject?
24
25 CK: Correct.
26
27 KR: Is that what that is?
28
29 CK: They're the contact element. Their primary job is
30 to --
31
32 KR: Find him.
33
34 CK: -- find the bad guy.
35
36 KR: Okay. Um, ow. Did that myself. All right,
37 Sergeant. In regards to this investigation, is
38 there anything that I either failed to ask or
39 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
40 your statement today?
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42 CK: I don't -- I don't want to speak on behalf of other
43 things. I just seen that certain things that come
44 out, and I know you mentioned, um, Officer Burton's
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47 KR: Uh - huh .
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1 Um, hopefully that gets clarified. But I know upon
2 his arrival, based on the transmission, there was no
3 active stimulus, and I can say from training pim,
4 um, that we don't train that you wouldn't just
5 initially go. You have to take a second to figure
6 out your facts, and where you're moving to, um,
7 based on whatever intelligence you have at the time.
8
9 Um, the other thing was someone pulled and wrote an
10 article that his training was, um -- last training
11 was October of 2016. It's in -- that is correct in
12 the sense that, um, we (unintelligible), I guess,
13 our training with all our SROs. So we actually
14 train them two months prior to implementing it to
15 the whole P.D. We -- they had a school day off.
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17 KR : Uh - huh .
18
19 CK: And so we were able to get the entire School
20 Resource Unit, and we ran our program. We didn't
21 know how long it would take for them to pick up the
22 combat clearing, and we -- we actually did it at a
23 school within, um, the city. And they had to do,
24 and move, and learned all the tactics in the actual
25 school setting, and then we did the tactical
26 medicine to whereas when we -- that was our 2017
27 training. We just implemented it with them --
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29 KR: It was (unintelligible) --
30
31 CK: so I wanted to clarify that, that it wasn't --
32
33 KR: Okay. So --
34
35 CK: -- that it was 2016. But we kinda they were our
36 testing group to see how much time we needed.
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38 KR: Okay. Uh, and so speaking from a trainer aspect,
39 since you are a training aspect, he did what your
40 policy states?
41
42 CK: That is correct. Um, with no active, uh,
43 inteliigence at the time, no gunfire, no active
44 stimulus pulling you initially, those first few
45 minutes, and just somebody just saying, um -- and
46 also in my discussions with him, uh, from PIO and
47 working with him when we did those first initial
48 interviews, um, was that he had been given direction
49 upon arriving on scene from the deputy SRD that he
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1 initial -- that's exactly what anyone would do would
2 be to scan your surroundings. That's the most
3 active intelligence you have. And then as multiple
4 officers are coming, we're assessing, Where is this
5 potential threat coming? Because we don't have
6 anything drawing us there.
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8 KR: Okay, thank you. Uh, anything else, ma'am?
9
10 CK: I don't think so.
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12 KR: Okay. Uh, have you been promised anything in
13 exchange for providing this statement today?
14
15 CK: No.
16
17 KR: Okay. Has the information that you've provided
18 during this interview been the truth to the best of
19 your knowledge or recollection?
20
21 CK: Yes.
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23 KR: This interview is concluded at approximately 10:29
24 a.m. on May 15~, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT BRUCE KOZLOWSKI, EI-26-0079,
2 05/14/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 LN SPECIAL AGENT SUPERVISOR LUIS NEGRETE
9 AD ATTORNEY ALAN DIAMOND, GENERAL COUNSEL, FOP
10 BK SERGEANT BRUCE KOZLOWSKI
11
12 RB: The date is May 14th, 2018. The time is
13 approximately 2:50 p.m. I am Inspector Randy Brown
14 with the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
15 present at this time is SAS Luis Negrete and Alan
16 Diamond, General Counsel of the Fraternal Order of
17 Police. The location of this interview is 2300 High
18 Ridge Road, Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be
19 questioning Officer Bruce Kozlowski, as a witness in
20 an official FDLE investigation, case number EI26-
21 0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is the Inspector in
22 charge of this investigation.
23
24 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
25 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
26 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
27 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
28 being given by you as a part of the investigation
29 into the law enforcement response to the Marjory
30 Stoneman Douglas School shooting that occurred on
31 February 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to
32 appear -- excuse me -- appear today and are being
33 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
34 understand?
35
36 BK: I do.
37
38 RB: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
39 aware of the following. This interview is being
40 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I'm
41 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
42 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
43 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
44 provide false statements, you can be criminally
45 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
46 items I have just informed you of?
47
48 BK: I do.
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1 or affirm the information you're about to give today
2 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
3 truth, so help you God?
4
5 BK: I do.
6
7 RB: Please state your full name.
8
9 BK: My name is Bruce Kozlowski. I'll spell the last, K-
10 0-Z-L-O-W-S-K-I.
11
12 RB: All right. And what is your current place of
13 employment?
14
15 BK: City of Coral Springs as a police officer.
16
17 RB: And how long have you been employed there?
18
19 BK: Twenty-three years.
20
21 RB: And your current capacity is -- police officer?
22
23 BK: I'm a sergeant.
24
25 RB: Okay. You're a sergeant. Um, um --
26
27 BK: I'm -- I'm in charge of the Bicycling Unit and the
28 Street Intelligence Unit.
29
30 RB: Okay, all right. Uh, how long have you been in law
31 enforcement?
32
33 BK: Twenty-three years.
34
35 RB: Twenty-three years, great. Um, how did you first
36 hear of the active shooter situation at Stoneman
37 Douglas?
38
39 BK: Uh, it's -- sorry, it's not really -- it's in my
40 report. So, um, I was in a meeting upstairs on the
41 second floor with my Captain Ryan Gallagher,
42 Sergeant Mazey [phonetic] and some other members of
43 my unit, which is the Special Operations component.
44 And, we usually turn our radios down, so I didn't
45 really hear the call come out on the radio. And,
46 then someone advised, hey, there's -- there's a
47 shooter -- I don't know who it was. Uh, some of the
48 guys in the group of the people -- there's five or
49 six, said there's -- there's an active shooter at
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1 downstairs, got in our cars and drove as quickly as
2 possible to Douglas High School. And, at that point
3 then I started hearing it on the radio as I turned
4 my radio up.
5
6 RB: Okay. Um, did you hear additional information while
7 you were in or out over the radio?
8
9 BK: I heard a lot of information -- overwhelmed.
10
11 RB: Do you remember some
12
13 BK: I -- I remember that -- that Officer Burton went on
14 scene somewhere in the point where I was getting in
15 my car and driving, at which point I can't tell you.
16 I don't know the exact timeline.
17
18 RB: Okay.
19
20 BK: And that he was there and we were trying to get
21 information from him that there was a shooter in
22 Douglas High School and they gave a description of
23 what he might be wearing at the time. Uh, I believe
24 -- it's been so long, I don't remember exactly what
25 the description was. So --
26
27 RB: Okay. Um, do you remember how long it took you to
28 arrive at the school?
29
30 BK: Not long. At one point, I looked down -- oh, can't
31 tell it's a tape. I was doing 94 miles an hour on
32 Coral Springs Drive. That's pretty fast.
33
34 RB: So, a relatively short amount of time.
35
36 BK: Yes.
37
38 RB: Okay. Um, do you -- recall where you parked at when
39 you arrived?
40
41 BK: I do. If you refer to map two, which I am -- uh,
42 part of the information that came on to the radio,
43 'cause I'm trying to process -- I'm setting the
44 scene, so I'm sorry. I was trying to process
45 everything, as a supervisor I have to look at a
46 bigger picture as opposed to the single picture.
47 So, I kept hearing the east side of the school, east
48 side of the school, but at some point they had said
49 northeast, which my brain didn't process. So, I
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1 place I came 'cause I was coming north on Coral
2 Springs Drive as I parked right over here.
3
4 RB: Okay.
5
6 BK: Which is -- there's a gate -- that's your first gate
7 as you're approaching from the south.
8
9 RB: Uh-huh.
10
11 BK: Okay? Later on I came to realize that Timmy Burton
12 had said he was on the northeast side of the school,
13 which made more sense because there was nobody over
14 here. So, I pulled in. There was about 10 or 12
15 officers at least that were right behind me.
16
17 RB: Okay. So when you made your, uh -- when you parked
18 here --
19
20 BK: Uh-huh.
21
22 RB: -- you got out. You said there was like 10 of 12
23 officers --
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25 BK: I got out
26
27 RB: in the (unintelligible)?
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29 BK: I got out -- yeah, I immediately got out of my
30 car. And fortunately I had my rifle with me, but
31 that's the way it works. And, I had -- I can't even
32 tell you who was behind me. I just know that as a
33 supervisor -- it actually turned out to be
34 beneficial 'cause as I started to move north through
35 this area going by like Building One, there's gates
36 and entrances and exits to --
37
38 RB: Uh-huh.
39
40 BK: -- each one. So, every person I had -- the first
41 thing I do is I sent a couple of officers this way
42 to cover the west side and the south side of the
43 school in case the shooter decided to get out. At
44 that time, the information led me to believe -- the
45 information I had at the time was that the shooter
46 was still in Building 12.
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48 RB: Uh-huh.
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1 was still in Building 12.
2 RB: Okay.
3
4 BK: So, at this point, I'm thinking containment so he
5 can't get out. If he does get into the school we
6 had him. So, I sent officers to go to the southwest
7 area and as I'm going this way, northbound to this
8 area by Building One and Building Eight, which I
9 found out it was the theater, um, I'm putting
10 officers with -- long guns covering each exit to the
11 school, so that even if he gets out that way, we can
12 do what we have to do. So, by the time I get all
13 the way over here as I'm on the north side of
14 Building Eight, I realized I only have three or four
15 officers left with me. And, then at that point, I
16 saw Officer Burton taking cover behind a tree
17 somewhere along this area in the -- the parking lot
18 -- I guess the northeast parking lot.
19
20 RB: Okay. Um, from there when you saw Officer Burton,
21 what -- what happened next?
22
23 BK: Uh, uh, I was still getting information. Again,
24 everything is just -- it's just -- I don't know if
25 you guys have listened to the tapes. I mean,
26 listening to it live, it is just -- it's
27 overwhelming. There's a lot of stuff going on. We
28 couldn't even get on the radio. The radios were
29 working
30
31 RB: Uh-huh.
32
33 BK: -- but we can't get any information because there's
34 just so much information coming in. You know, I
35 just -- I was just trying to do my thing, which is
36 at this point, I realized that officers were coming
37 from the north heading south towards like this area
38 and they were approaching. We knew it was Building
39 1200.
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41 RB: Uh-huh.
42
43 BK: Okay? That I do -- we knew that from the get-go.
44 Again, like I said I didn't process that part. But,
45 at this point I know where the, uh -- the shooter is
46 supposed to be and according to my information still
47 is.
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49 RB : Uh - huh .
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1 BK: I see -- three or four officers approaching this
2 way. I have a couple of guys with me and as -- as
3 we can see -- we can see the -- the windows are shot
4 out in different areas. You can see that there's
5 bullet holes --
6
7 LN: Where exactly? Do you remember?
8
9 BK: Uh, I believe it -- there was bullet holes in the
10 front here and on -- on the third floor up here --
11
12 LN: Okay.
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14 BK: -- on the south side.
15
16 LN: Okay.
17
18 BK: Okay. Um, and I had heard there was bullet holes
19 over here. I never -- I never went to the north
20 side of the building.
21
22 LN: Okay.
23
24 BK: So, I was concerned that if we were standing over
25 here, we're in harm's way 'cause --
26
27 LN: Uh-huh.
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29 BK: he could be -- I knew he had a long gun. I knew
30 we had information that there was -- he was using a
31 a rifle. So, it shoots a long way. At this
32 point, um, I saw these guys moving up this way and I
33 don't want anybody to go alone. I -- we didn't
34 really waste any time. I was just trying to get
35 some information and then -- then I started moving
36 again. There wasn't a whole lot of time between the
37 time I got here and the time I went inside Building
38 1200, which I came in through the east doors that I
39 hooked up with through other people. I don't know
40 who was behind me. To -- to this day, I can't tell
41 you who was behind me.
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43 LN: Was it CS -- uh, CSPD?
44
45 BK: Um, I will tell you that CSP -- I hooked up with --
46 it was Fernandez, Whittington and somebody else
47 and then McClain 'cause he works with me. And, I
48 think Goose was -- Carvallo [phonetic] was here
49 somewhere at some point. Um, I do know that as we
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1 okay, there was two BSO Officers behind me. One was
2 -- God, oh, I can't -- can't remember his name. It
3 was, uh -- it was an officer from North Lauderdale.
4 He was like on their SET team. I don't know his
5 name. I apologize 'cause I don't know. And then
6 there was another guy who supposedly his kid was
7 inside the school on the third floor and I don't
8 know his name either.
9
10 LN: Okay.
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12 BK: And when we opened the door -- you want me to get
13 into this whole what I saw? Or --
14
15 LN: Sure, sure.
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17 BK: Okay. Um, you could see there was smoke covering
18 everywhere. I don't know if it was from the
19 gunfire, if he had lit something on fire, but it was
20 smoky. And as soon as you open the doorway there
21 was bodies on the floor not too far in front of us.
22 And, there was spent magazine -- spent casings all
23 over the floor and, uh, magazines that you could see
24 that he -- there were still rounds in it. I don't
25 know why, if he was combat loading or he just
26 decided to drop them. I have no idea what his
27 mindset was. But, I could see all that on the floor
28 on the first floor.
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30 RB: Okay. Um, I wanna take you back just a minute.
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32 BK: Okay. Sorry.
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34 RB: When -- when you were, um -- when you saw Officer
35 Burton --
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37 BK: Uh-huh.
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39 RB: -- um, which I'll -- this -- this is where --
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41 BK: I seen
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43 RB: approximately
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45 BK: actually there's a tree there. There's a tree in
46 the parking lot. I don't know where it is, but it's
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1 BK: Coming from the south.
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3 RB: -- coming from the -- or heading south from the
4 north?
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6 BK: Correct.
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8 RB: Did you see any other deputies or officers in the
9 area around the 700 or 800 Building?
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11 BK: I can't tell you that I I -- can't honestly say
12 that I saw somebody. I believe that I saw somebody
13 right over here.
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15 RB: Uh-huh.
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17 BK: And, I'm saying that's between -- what is that the
18 Building 700 and 800? Again, my focus was on the
19 1200 Building, so that was my peripheral. So, I did
20 see something. I did see a body. I can't tell you
21 who that was.
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23 RB: Okay.
24
25 BK: Okay? Later on when we came out after clearing this
26 whole building and I came out through this corridor
27 and started clearing some more building classrooms,
28 that's when I ran into Deputy Peterson.
29
30 RB: Okay.
31
32 BK: And now, he was in the same spot that I saw that
33 body before. But, if you're asking me to be 100-
34 percent sure and say that that was Officer Peterson
35 the first time I went by, I can't tell you that.
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37 RB: Okay.
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39 BK: I can tell you that was Deputy Peterson when I came
40 by whenever I left this building. I don't know what
41 time that was --
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43 RB: Um
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45 BK: it was 10 or 15 minutes of clearing it.
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47 RB: do you know Deputy Peterson? Or --
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3 BK: I saw -- I actually spoke to him 'cause he was on
4 the school radio. He was talking to Captain
5 Gallagher and he was getting some information after
6 the fact. We'd already cleared this building
7 though. We were already moving towards here trying
8 to get rid of other areas.
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10 RB: What information did he share when you talked to him
11 or do you --
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13 BK: I don't remember.
14
15 RB: -- have any recollection?
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17 BK: I -- I don't. I don't have any independent
18 recollection. I'm sorry.
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20 RB: Okay. Um, let me just review my questions real
21 quick.
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23 AD: Could you see anybody interacting with Peterson?
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25 BK: Other than Captain Gallagher who was also in the
26 group that was clearing with me at some point. Like
27 I said, at some point we kinda linked up --
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29 AD: Uh-huh.
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31 BK: -- and I you know, we just you know like hag
32 rag tagged, just pulling and -- I have no idea.
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34 AD: Okay.
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36 RB: When you made entry --
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38 BK: Uh-huh.
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40 RB: -- had -- had entry already been made into Building
41 1200 or where
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43 BK: It was -- they had made -- someone -- another group
44 made entry from the west side.
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46 RB: Okay.
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48 BK: And, um, what happened was is that they had cleared
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1 realized that they saw -- somebody saw them -- and,
2 again it was all hazy. And, I mean we were just
3 yelling things like "Blue coming in," that kinda
4 thing so we knew who it was. 'Cause it's easier
5 than trying to communicate on the radio --
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7 RB: Right.
8
9 BK: -- because there's just so much traffic. So, they -
10 - later on I found out it was Mazey and his group.
11 They went up the third floor. We stayed and cleared
12 the first floor, so there wasn't any kinda
13 crossfire.
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15 RB: Okay. Um, and ·you -- you referred to this earlier.
16 I just wanna make sure. So, you said, uh, as far as
17 radio traffic that you guys didn't have any kind of
18 issue other than -- or you said --
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20 BK: Just a lot --
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22 RB: is it all just a lot of --
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24 BK: yeah, just a lot
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26 RB: screaming?
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28 BK: of traffic, lot of radio traffic. But --
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30 LN: Talk over.
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32 BK: Yeah, that's it. Well, we really can't talk on
33 radios 'cause they bonk each other.
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35 RB: Right.
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37 BK: (SOUND EFFECT) Sorry, can't probably get that on
38 the, uh, tape player. It makes that bonking noise.
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40 RB: Right.
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42 BK: It refuses. But, at some point, I just felt it was
43 easier to communicate by, you know, talking directly
44 to my partners than via the radio 'cause there's
45 just too much traffic.
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47 RB: Were you aware of any other radio issues that did
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8 BK: At -- at -- at that moment, no I was not aware that
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11 RB: All right.
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13 BK: -- BSO had any radio issues.
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17 BK: I don't know who -- if they were on our radio
18 channel, they were on radio -- I can't tell you who
19 was on any channel --
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21 RB: Okay.
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23 BK: -- having the problems communicating myself.
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25 RB: Okay. Um, does your agency have an active -- uh, an
26 active shooter policy?
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28 BK: We most certainly do.
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30 RB: Okay. Um, does your agency train in active shooter
31 response?
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33 BK: We do. Um, and, uh it's kinda off topic. I used to
34 be in charge of the Training Unit. I started in 2010
35 and I left in 2014.
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37 RB: Okay.
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39 BK: And in 2012, we did an active killer training. It
40 was called Solo Officer Response, Two Officer
41 Response. So, we had practiced this -- this type of
42 drill -- this isn't the first time. I did it after
43 somebody else. But, we -- since I've been in Coral
44 Springs we've probably had four or five active
45 killer trainings.
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47 RB: Okay.
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49 BK: And we had one last year. We did kind of a -- of,
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2 RB: Okay. So, how often would you say that these type
3 of trainings
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5 BK: Every two or three years, 'cause I mean since I've
6 been there probably.
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8 RB: Okay.
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10 BK: That's a ballpark figure.
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12 RB: Okay. Um, do you recall when the last time, um,
13 there was an active shooter or active killer, um,
14 training?
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16 BK: It was 2000 -- last year an in-service.
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18 RB : 2000 - -
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20 BK: We -- we did a form of it.
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22 RB: Okay. And, uh, you've already alluded to this, but
23 I wanna give you the opportunity to go a little
24 further with it. Um, what does your, um, your --
25 your active shooter training instruct you to do?
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27 BK: Uh, locate the shooter. As long as there's gunshots
28 going -- as long as there's gunshots going on, our
29 job is to find and locate the shooter and do your
30 best to -- to put an end to it, as long as he's
31 shooting.
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33 RB: Does that dictate, um, any differently whether it is
34 you as an individual or you as an -- in, uh, a group
35 of --
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37 BK: No.
38
39 RB: -- four or five-plus officers?
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41 BK: No. If you're by yourself, you go by yourself.
42 It's simple. There are two of you, you go with two.
43 If you can wait for the person right there who's
44 next to you, great. If not, you go and the other
45 person catches up or you piecemeal.
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47 RB: Or
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49 BK: If there's 16 different officers going at 16
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2 RB: Okay. Anything else? In regards to this
3 investigation is there anything that I have either
4 failed to ask or anything that you would like to add
5 or clarify in your statement today?
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7 BK: No, there's not.
8
9 RB: Have you have you been promised anything in
10 exchange for providing this statement today?
11
12 BK: No, I have not.
13
14 RB: Has the information that you provided during this
15 interview been the truth to the best of your
16 knowledge or recollection?
17
18 BK: It has.
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20 RB: This interview is concluded at approximately 3:03
21 p.m.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF LIEUTENANT NICK MAZZEI, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/15/18)
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5 words due to the recording quality.)
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7 MP ~ INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 NM LIEUTENANT NICK MAZZEI
10 SM STEPHEN MELNICK,ESQ.
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12 MP: The date is Tuesday, May 15, 2018. The time now is
13 approximately 8:59 a.m. I am Inspector Meschelle
14 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
15 Also present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
16 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
17 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. We will be
18 questioning Mr. Nick Mazzei as a witness in an
19 official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
20 Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
21 investigation. It should also be noted that Mr.
22 Mazzei is being represented by his attorney, Steve
23 Melnick.
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25 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
26 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
27 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
28 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
29 being given to you as part of -- part of this
30 investigation into the law enforcement response to
31 the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school shooting that
32 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
33 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
34 to provide this statement. Do you understand that?
35
36 NM: I do.
37
38 MP: Okay. And just for the record, too, uh, we want to
39 make sure that you had adequate enough time to
40 review your statement. And are you comfortable with
41 (unintelligible) . Do you need more time, or are you
42 comfortable with it?
43
44 NM: I'm good. I'm comfortable.
45
46 MP: Okay. All right. Uh, prior to beginning this
47 interview, you should be aware of the following:
48 this interview is being recorded; as a sworn law
49 enforcement officer, I'm empowered to administer
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1 taking a sworn statement from you; you will be under
2 oath, and if you knowingly provide false statements,
3 you can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
4 understand that?
5
6 NM: I am familiar, yes.
7
8 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record
9 reflect that he has raised his right hand. Do you
10 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
11 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth,
12 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
13
14 NM: Yes.
15
16 MP: Okay. For the record, please state your full name.
17
18 NM: Nicholas Mazzei, M-A-Z-Z-E-I.
19
20 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
21
22 NM: Uh, City of Coral Springs Police Department.
23
24 MP: In what capacity?
25
26 NM: I am now currently a lieutenant on Road Patrol.
27
28 MP: Okay. And prior to that?
29
30 NM: Uh, prior to April 28th, I was a Sergeant in the
31 Street Crimes Unit.
32
33 MP: All right. And how long have you been with Coral
34 Springs P.O.?
35
36 NM: Seventeen years.
37
38 MP: Okay. And could you just give us a brief, uh,
39 summary of the positions that you've held there?
40
41 NM: Uh, initially, Road Patrol for four years. I was a
42 (unintelligible) detective for four years after
43 that. I got promoted to sergeant for four years
44 after that. On Patrol -- oh, I'm sorry. For a
45 couple years -- I forget. It was, like, three years
46 on Patrol. Went to the Bike Unit, uh, for about a
47 year and a half. Then I moved to the Street Crimes
48 Unit in 2013 --
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1 NM: -- as a sergeant.
2
3 MP: Perfect. Thank you. And as I mentioned before,
4 Troy and I both will be asking you questions. We'll
5 let Troy start, okay?
6
7 NM: Certainly.
8
9 TC: Um, just at the outset, we talked about the Red
10 [phonetic] Report that you reviewed.
11
12 NM: Yes.
13
14 TC: And you said that there was a settlement. But real
15 quick, I just want to read in. Uh, this is from,
16 uh, Coral -- Coral Springs Police Department case
17 number 18001708.
18
19 NM: Correct.
20
21 TC: And, uh, I had you sign and date it as being true
22 and accurate as to when we got it. But you said
23 there was a supplement to this. If you want to just
24
25
26 NM: Correct.
27
28 TC: -- explain real quick.
29
30 NM: There is a supplement that I wrote to this. Uh, in
31 my initial report that I write here, I did write in
32 here that there were, uh, two deceased persons
33 outside of the west doors upon my approach, when, in
34 fact, there was only one. Uh, I had found out later
35 that the female had actually been brought down after
36 we had already made entry to the school, and -- and,
37 uh, we had cleared the building. And then when I
38 had come back downstairs, then I noticed the female,
39 uh, juvenile laying to the side just to the north of
40 the doors.
41
42 TC: Okay. And so that was the one thing that was
43 corrected after your review;
44
45 NM: That was corrected in a supplement -- official
46 supplement that is in the system right now, which
47 I'm sure we can
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49 TC: Okay.
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2
3 MP: Okay.
4
5 TC: Um, and, uh, before we kinda walk through how you
6 became involved in the -- the incident, um, do you
7 recall what your radio ID, uh, was?
8
9 NM: Yankee 21.
10
11 TC: Okay. Yankee 21. And do you recall what radio
12 channels you utilized that day?
13
14 NM: Coral Springs Main.
15
16 TC: Okay. So, the main line is -- throughout the
17 incident is what you utilized?
18
19 NM: Correct.
20
21 TC: Okay. And how were you dressed that day?
22
23 NM: Uh, I was dressed in black pants. These same kind
24 of pants, but all black. A -- most likely, I had on
25 a, uh, short-sleeved black T-shirt. Just the T-
26 shirt. It says "police" on the shoulders. And I
27 had a black tactical vest on. Not this one. It
28 was, uh -- it has more stuff on it.
29
30 TC: Okay. And more stuff that identifies you as --
31
32 NM: Yes.
33
34 TC: -- a law enforcement officer?
35
36 NM: Correct. Police across the front here. Uh, no
37 badge. Police across the back.
38
39 TC: Okay. If, um -- we'll just kinda start, you know.
40 How did -- you know, from when -- how you got word
41 about the incident on February 14th, 2018, and just
42 walk us -- your response to it.
43
44 NM: Perfect. Um, I was on the second floor of the Coral
45 Springs Police Department in a unit meeting with,
46 uh, Sergeant Gallagher and a couple other, uh,
47 sergeants from SOC, which is the Special Operations
48 Component. Um, during the middle of a meeting,
49 obviously radios are on; we're listening. I heard,
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1 the radio, ask something about an active shooter
2 incident at Douglas.
3
4 Our Dispatch immediately got on and said, uh, "Yes,
5 we're receiving multiple calls about an active
6 shooter. Uh, our phones are blowing up." And at
7 that point, it was, uh, all hands on deck, and I ran
8 downstairs. Ran downstairs, got in my car, and I
9 proceeded straight up to Douglas.
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 MP: Do you recall around what time this was? Uh --
14
15 NM: I know from looking at the timeline of events of
16 when Sergeant Reid's traffic came over. Uh, roughly
17 2:26 --
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 NM: -- was roughly the time that I've seen. I know it
22 was around that time. I know we -- our meeting had
23 started at 2:00, and we were somewhat into the
24 meeting, but --
25
26 MP: Uh-huh.
27
28 NM: -- looking at the time, I know it's, like, 2:26.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 TC: And that came over the -- the main channel? Law
33 enforcement Main for Coral Springs?
34
35 NM: Correct.
36
37 TC: Okay. Um, and then utilize the map. We got the big
38 view, you know
39
40 NM: Yep.
41
42 TC: Here's the school. Here's the expressway. If you
43 could just kinda draw how you came to the scene and
44 -- and where you parked.
45
46 NM: I came straight up Pine Island Road here.
47
48 TC: Okay.
49
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1 TC: Yes, yes.
2
3 MP: Yeah.
4
5 NM: I came straight up Pine Island Road. Uh, I made a
6 left onto Holmberg Road. And it's tough to tell
7 which of these is --
8
9 TC: Sure.
10
11 MP: Here's a closer up of the, um --
12
13 NM: Yeah.
14
15 MP: Uh, this will help.
16
17 NM: This is -- okay. So, I came in this entrance here,
18 which would be, I guess, this entrance here.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 MP: Yeah. You can write on this one.
23
24 NM: And I parked my car right there.
25
26 TC: All right.
27
28 MP: Okay.
29
30 TC: And then on the closer view, the best that you
31 recall --
32
33 NM: Is this the gate right here?
34
35 TC: So
36
37 NM: I believe that that's the gate.
38
39 MP: Uh-huh.
40
41 TC: Yeah.
42
43 NM: My car was parked, basically -- I think the gate is
44 actually further back. It's not that far up. I was
45 parked right here.
46
47 TC: Okay.
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1 NM: Initially.
2
3 TC: And, uh -- and note -- so we got Building 12 . .
4
5 NM: Yes.
6
7 TC: Building 13 here --
8
9 NM: Uh-huh.
10
11 TC: -- and everything. Okay. Um, can you kinda, um,
12 draw the approach you had?
13
14 NM: My approach was I exited my car here. I ran this
15 way. I made contact with Officer Monzon -- or
16 Detective Monzon. Um, we had a very, very, very
17 brief conversation. And I said, uh -- he -- he
18 said, "Nick be --" he works for -- he's in -- he's
19 actually a detective that had worked for me at the
20 time in the Street Crimes Unit. He said, "Nick,
21 watch the third floor windows," 'cause we could see
22 bullet holes in the window. And I said, "Let's go."
23 And we immediately ran to the 1200 Building to the
24 west doors.
25
26 TC: Okay. Um, when you park, get out, do you see -- you
27 talk about Detective Monzon. Do you see any other
28 law enforcement there?
29
30 NM: There is BSO deputies --
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 NM: -- there. I could not tell you who they were.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 NM: I could not tell you what they looked like. No
39 nobody that I was familiar with. Um, and there were
40 other officers there, yes.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 MP: What were they doing?
45
46 NM: I couldn't tell. I -- I -- they were -- positions
47 of cover. Covering the building. I don't know.
48 They were also -- um, I had also passed other
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1 TC: Were they with their vehicles?
2
3 NM: Yes.
4
5 TC: Okay. And when you're passing, to the best of your
6 recollection, were they -- where were they by the
7 vehicles? Were --
8
9 NM: Taking positions of cover, it appeared to me --
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 NM: -- as I was passing them on Holmberg.
14
15 TC: Um, when -- when I think about that, kind of down by
16 the wheels wells and looking over the hoods?
17
18 NM: Wheels wells, over the hood, um --
19
20 MP: Behind the door.
21
22 NM: I believe I -- as I'm going by, I remember seeing
23 somebody on one knee with his handgun out, pointing
24 at the building
25
26 TC: Okay.
27
28 NM: -- by the front wheel.
29
30 TC: And just so we have -- so we can accurately reflect,
31 from your recollection, this is as you're traveling
32 down Holmberg --
33
34 NM: This is down Holmberg Road on the north side of the
35 fence.
36
37 TC: North side
38
39 NM: Not -- not even in the --
40
41 TC: of the fence.
42
43 NM: school parking lot yet.
44
45 TC: Okay. So, right. There is an exterior fence there.
46
47 NM: Correct.
48
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1 NM: Correct.
2
3 TC: -- to the school?
4
5 NM: And then, as I made contact with, um, Detective
6 Monzon, there were other -- there was -- I'm pretty
7 sure -- I know there were deputies there. And I
8 can't remember if there was one or two and if they
9 were on either side of the walkway there.
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 NM: I know there was at least one. There may have been
14 one. I -- I think there's a tree that's right here.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 NM: I think there was a deputy there that Monzon had --
19 had made contact with. And then there was a -- I
20 can't be positive if --
21
22 TC: Sure.
23
24 NM: -- there was another deputy right there or not.
25
26 TC: Can you -- where the approximation with the tree,
27 'cause that seems to be a good landmark. Can you
28 just circle?
29
30 NM: Uh, probably right in here somewhere.
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 MP: That's what -- yeah.
35
36 TC: And we know these aren't to scale and everything --
37
38 NM: Of course.
39
40 TC: but --
41
42 NM: Of course.
43
44 TC: but that's obviously something that you recall
45 from that day and --
46
47 NM: Yes.
48
49 TC: -- um, uh -- and Detective Monzon was with them.
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2
3 NM: No.
4
5 TC: Okay. So, just the -- just Detective Monzon, who is
6
7
8 NM: Just yeah, yeah.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 NM: He's Gil. He's -- he works for me. We were on the
13 SWAT team together. I'm very comfortable with him.
14
15 TC: Uh-huh.
16
17 NM: I ran up behind him, made contact with him, and away
18 we went.
19
20 TC: When, uh -- when he relayed the information to you
21 about, you know, "Watch the third floor"
22 (unintelligible) -- did you look? Did you notice
23 anything?
24
25 NM: I -- as I'm looking, I could see Feis [phonetic] was
26 down right outside the west doors. He's a large
27 man. He's easily identifiable. That -- you know, I
28 didn't know him at the time as --
29
30 TC: Right.
31
32 NM: -- Feis, but -- in -- obviously, in retrospect, I
33 know that it was Feis. Um, Gil had pointed -- or
34 Detective Monzon had pointed to the third floor,
35 said, "Nick, be careful. We have bullet holes on
36 the third floor." And I said, "Okay. Let's go."
37 And then we made an immediate approach to those west
38 doors.
39
40 TC: Okay. So, from the position where you kind of marry
41 up with Detective Monzon, are you able to see, um,
42 Mr. Feis outside the building?
43
44 NM: Yes.
45
46 TC: Okay. So, that would be apparent from even out in
47 the parking lot?
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1 TC: Okay. Um, is there -- was there something that was
2 discussed that made you guys feel that it was safe
3 enough to leave cover to approach even though there
4 was no --
5
6 NM: There was no discussion.
7
8 TC: Okay.
9
10 NM: There was no discussion. It was, um, basically our
11 -- just -- I believed that the shooter was still in
12 the building. Um, I knew that there were injured
13 people in the building. And there was really no --
14 there was no discussion. There was -- "Well, should
15 .we go? Should we not go?" It was, "Let's go," and
16 we went.
17
18 TC: Okay.
19
20 NM: There was no discussion.
21
22 TC: Before you arrive or as you're approaching, do you
23 recall any of the radio transmissions that you
24 received about what was going on?
25
26 NM: As we're driving up Holmberg Road, Timmy Burton --
27 Officer Burton, he's on scene. And he's relaying
28 information. And I remember as we're going up
29 there, Tim Burton is saying, "It's the three-story
30 building on the north side of campus," which was
31 unbelievably great intelligence. Because as I'm
32 responding before I get that intel, I don't know
33 where I'm -- I've been to Douglas before. You know,
34 I -- I don't -- I don't know where I'm going.
35
36 Burton starts giving that information. "Hey, it's
37 gonna be the three-story 1200 freshman building." I
38 think he says "the freshman building," and then he
39 says. "It's the 1200," and then he says, "It's the -
40 - the three-story building on the north side." It
41 was awesome intelligence. As I'm driving up
42 Holmberg Road, as I clear underneath the Sawgrass, I
43 can see the three-story building on the north side
44 of campus, and that's how I knew that's right where
45 I was going.
46
47 TC: Okay. Um, so I'll tell you -- we'll take you to the
48 point where you're at the doors on the west side.
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2 school? Just an estimate.
3
4 NM: Again, looking at the timeline that -- that I'm
5 aware of
6
7 MP: Uh-huh.
8
9 NM: -- knowing that Sergeant Reid, roughly, at 2:26
10 says, "Active shooter. Active shooter. Dispatch.
11 Dispatch." Is it knowing what time that I'm on
12 video making entry into the school, um, which is
13 roughly 2:32, which obviously I now find out is 5
14 minutes after -- 4 minutes, 52 seconds after Nikolas
15 Cruz left. So, from however much time -- from 2:26
16 to 2:32 with maybe 3 seconds or 5 seconds of running
17 up behind Gil, saying, "Let's go, " to getting into
18 the school.
19
20 MP: Got it. Perfect.
21
22 TC: All right. So, I guess, walk us through when you
23 get to the doors what you're seeing, observing.
24
25 NM: As we're running up, we run up to the doors, um,
26 fully expecting to take gunfire from the third
27 floor. Not sure 'cause of -- we have -- we have the
28 holes up there. Um, not sure if someone's gonna pop
29 around the corner. That's why I have pretty much
30 minimal radio traffic upon my approach. I wasn't
31 taking my hand off my rifle as we're making the
32 approach. Um, Feis is laying down outside of the
33 the doors there. Uh, no obvious signs of injury to
34 him, which was bizarre. Like, there was very little
35 blood, very little anything. But obviously you
36 could see that he wasn't breathing. I made a very
37 quick attempt to try drag him off to the side.
38 Obviously, a very large man. And then it was
39 obvious that he was -- he was deceased at that
40 point.
41
42 So, um, going back to the active shooter protocol,
43 we need to get in here and make sure we don't have
44 anymore, um, deceased people. At that point, uh, I
45 believe Myers and -- Sergeant Myers and, um, Officer
46 Wilkins are now -- have caught up to myself and
47 Officer Monzon -- or Detective Monzon. We end up,
48 um, breaching the west doors, um -- go ahead.
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2 NM: I'm just --
3
4 TC: Uh, did you
5
6 NM: It was open.
7
8 TC: Was the door unlocked?
9
10 NM: It was unlocked.
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 NM: We didn't have to breach it.
15
16 TC: Sorry.
17
18 NM: No, I -- that's understandable.
19
20 MP: And also, too -- so at the time, upon entrance, was
21 it just Coral Springs officers?
22
23 NM: Yes.
24
25 MP: There were no Broward County Sheriff's Office, uh,
26 deputies?
27
28 NM: There was initially no BSO deputies. At this point,
29 I'll -- I'll -- I'll tell you when I see my first
30 BSO deputy.
31
32 MP: Got it.
33
34 NM: Um --
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 NM: We end up, uh, making entry. Uh, we open the doors.
39 As we open the doors, um, heavy smoke in the
40 hallways, rifle rounds all over the floor, and Chris
41 Hixson is right in front of us. He's still alive.
42 Uh, he turns, and he looks at us. Kind of see a
43 look of relief on his face as he -- as he sees us
44 there. Um, immediately make approach on him. And I
45 believe part of the -- I have not seen the video. I
46 believe part of this is on the video. Uh, we go
47 over and make contact with him. Ask him, "Who is
48 the shooter? Where is the shooter?" He cannot
49 verbalize. He can't talk. He's -- it's just -- he
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1 himself talk. Still alive. Eyes are wide open, um,
2 and moving.
3
4 I tell Gil to grab him and take him to get him out.
5 We gotta get him out 'cause now we're -- again, we
6 have no active shooting. We have now moved into a -
7 - kind of a modified active shooter/rescue kind of
8 response, um, knowing that any minute, if we hear
9 shooting, we're abandoning everything, and we're
10 gonna go find the shooter. Um, and that's fully
11 what we had expected to happen. That's fully what I
12 expected to happen at any minute.
13
14 Um, we take Hixon. Gil drags him out. Um, gets him
15 towards the outside. Wilkins and Gil then bring him
16 outside. Well, bring, uh, Hixon outside. Gil tells
17 Wilkins, "I gotta go back in." So, right now it's
18 just -- for a brief second, it was just me and Myers
19 inside the school. Gil comes back in. So, it's me,
20 Myers, and Monzon. Wilkins takes Hixon, gets a golf
21 cart, evacuates Hixon. And that's how, uh, Wilkins
22 ended up out of the picture.
23
24 Um, we begin clearing down the room, again, at any
25 moment, expecting a shooter to pop out. There's an
26 office that's right to the left. I guess this is
27 the 1200 floor. This office right here -- there's
28 an office right here. Uh, there is a female teacher
29 -- or administrator. I don't know who it is. Uh,
30 she's in this room. Soon as we make entry into that
31 room, she comes right out. We evacuate her out.
32 Again, the evacuation is still sketchy. We -- we're
33 not sure -- again, we don't know where the shooter
34 is. We have a lot on our mind. But, you know what?
35 We know there's officers outside that can receive
36 them, so we evacuate her out.
37
38 We continue moving down the hallway, um, clearing --
39 starting to clear these rooms. Uh, Myers is holding
40 the stairwell to make sure that someone doesn't come
41 -- the shooter doesn't come down behind us. We end
42 up getting to a bathroom here. We enter the
43 bathroom. I think it was me and Detective Monzon.
44 As soon as we enter, we could hear a kid. He's
45 saying, um, "Police, police?" I said, "Put your
46 hands up over the stall." He puts his hands up over
47 the top of the stall. There's a -- there's a -- a
48 male student in here. We evacuate him out. He gets
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1 We fall back into the hallway. Now, as we're
2 starting to clear, um, it's around this point where
3 I turn around and now I have other officers with me
4 that are named in my report.
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 NM: Uh, Paul Murray, uh, Dentelman [phonetic], um, uh,
9 Sergeant Wiesing is in there at this point. And now
10 I do have a uniform BSO deputy who has now joined
11 us.
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 NM: Um --
16
17 TC: So, when you exit the restroom area, as you're doing
18 the -- the clearing, uh, and looking for the gunman
19 at this point, um, you come out. That's when you --
20 the first time you notice a BSO --
21
22 NM: Yeah. Yeah. He's a full uniform --
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 NM: -- full green BSO deputy.
27
28 TC: White male? Black male?
29
30 NM: White guy --
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 NM: -- with glasses. Don't know who he is.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 NM: I don't I don't know who he is.
39
40 TC: All right.
41
42 MP: It was just the one?
43
44 NM: Just the one. He's the one where they said is now
45 inside the school. Um, as we're --
46
47 MP: Before you go -- can you describe the -- what you
48 saw in the building? What it looked like and -- and
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1 NM: As -- as soon as the -- the doors had breached open,
2 obviously, we had the victim right outside. We have
3 Hixon, who is bleeding heavily right inside the
4 doors. Um, it is cloudy. The -- the hallway is
5 cloudy. I mean, significant, like, cloudiness.
6
7 TC: Uh-huh.
8
9 NM: Um, and there are multiple spent rifle rounds on the
10 ground. Now, we can see down the hallway. I don't
11 see any other victims in the hallway 'cause they
12 were off to the alcoves is what I'm
13
14 TC: Uh-huh.
15
16 MP: Uh-huh.
17
18 NM: -- being told. So, as we're going -- as we're
19 looking down the hallway, I don't see any other
20 victims. So, right now, at this point, I'm not sure
21 exactly how many victims or anything that we have.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 NM: Um, that's what I'm seeing.
26
27 MP: Okay.
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29 NM: At that point, after we get the kid out of this, um
30 -- out of the bathroom here, the doors breach -- or
31 doors open on the east side of the school. And I
32 can hear Officer Whittington's voice. I could hear
33 him -- I -- very distinctive voice. I could hear
34 him. And it's, you know, communicate -- "Hey, blue,
35 blue. Blue on blue. Police here," so we don't have
36 any kind of issues. Now, obviously, they walked
37 into a -- a little bit different scene than I did
38 'cause they had a lot of victims on that side right
39 as they -- as they go in. Um, uh, this is an
40 obvious crossfire situation. Um, it's communicated,
41 "Hey, we got a -- we got a bad crossfire." I say,
42 "I'm gonna take my team. We're gonna go up to the
43 second floor."
44
45 TC: How was that information communicated? Verbal or
46 through the radio?
47
48 NM: Uh, I don't remember if it was a little bit of both.
49 I remember, um, yelling down the hallway, but I -- I
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2
3 NM: Obviously the transmissions will be there.
4
5 TC: Right.
6
7 NM: I can't tell you definitively yes, I said on the
8 radio or I didn't.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 NM: Um, it was communicated that we had a crossfire
13 situation and that I was going to take my team to
14 the second floor. Um, and that's exactly what we
15 did. Again, we're still under the assumption that
16 the shooter is still in the school. We're -- we're
17 convinced he's still --
18
19 TC: Uh-huh.
20
21 NM: -- in the school. We're just waiting for the firing
22 to start again. So, we clear the stairs, get up to
23 the second floor. Um, as we get to the second
24 floor, open the doors, um, and then we start
25 clearing down the second floor.
26
27 MP: Was it cloudy with the shells -- shells and
28 everything?
29
30 NM: No.
31
32 MP: The same as the --
33
34 NM: No, the --
35
36 MP: first floor?
37
38 NM: second floor was much cleaner than the first --
39 from the first floor --
40
41 MP: Uh-huh.
42
43 NM: -- um, as I recall. I know there was some glass in
44 the hallway 'cause I believe that he did take a
45 couple shots on the second floor, but nothing
46 significant -- nothing compared to the first floor.
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
49
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1 one of the classrooms that's on the south side of
2 the building off to my right. And, uh, I look in,
3 and I can see students in -- in the classroom. So,
4 this is not funny, but it's -- it's something that
5 was interesting at the time. I -- I remember making
6 eye contact with one particular student and saying,
7 "Come open the door." And she just shook her head
8 no. Like, Nope. And -- and I'm in full police
9 uniform.
10
11 TC: Uh-huh.
12
13 NM: She's just shaking her head, Nope. I'm like, "No,
14 really. Come open the door." And she's like, Nope.
15 So, at this point, I'm thinking, is -- her response
16 is odd. Am I -- and I'm thinking that the bad guy
17 might actually be in this room. So, I actually
18 communicate that to my guys. I say, "Hey, she's not
19 opening the door, and I can see multiple students in
20 there." Um, obviously come to find later, their
21 protocol is, it doesn't matter who's at the door --
22
23 MP: Right. They don't --
24
25 NM: don't open the door.
26
27 MP: open the door.
28
29 NM: Um, so I end up taking out my ASP, which has a
30 window breaker on the back of it. Uh, communicate
31 to my guys, "I don't know. Her response is odd to
32 me." Break the window, reach in, open the door. We
33 make entry. Obviously, there is no shooter in
34 there. Um, there is -- I -- I remember I gave a
35 count over the radio how many people were in there.
36 It was at least -- more than --
37
38 TC: Uh-huh.
39
40 NM: -- 25 people were in there.
41
42 TC: And you're communicating that -- and -- and I think
43 it's a good moment to pause and just talk about the
44 communications at that point, uh, 'cause you're
45 talking about using your radio and communicating it.
46 Did you find that you had any issues communicating
47 with your Dispatch when you're inside the building?
48
49 NM: Absolutely zero issues communicating with my
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2
3 TC: Uh-huh.
4
5 NM: -- the east side team.
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 NM: No issues whatsoever. We -- all the information --
10 we were putting out all the information. Our
11 Dispatch heard everything. Um, we could all hear
12 each other talk.
13
14 TC: Were you a part of the group that had -- you know,
15 when they're calling out as they're looking at the,
16 um -- the camera saying, Hey -- were you at the
17 point where you thought he might be turning a
18 corner, and you might engage him?
19
20 NM: If you listen to the radio transmission, it's --
21 it's -- I'm the one who's giving the feedback back.
22 As we're getting that information, our Dispatch on
23 our channel is saying, "Okay, okay, we got him.
24 He's coming down to the second floor. We got him on
25 the second -- he's got a gas mask." I am the one
26 communicating, "All right, Yankee 21. We are on the
27 second floor. We have it covered." Basically --
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 NM: -- we're ready. We're prepared. So, then they keep
32 giving more information, more information. And at
33 that point now, they're like, "He's walking on the
34 second floor. He's walking on the second floor."
35 Now, for a moment, I did have one guy in my group,
36 Paul Murray, who had a full helmet on with a face
37 mask. Had like -- it has, like, a
38
39 TC: Uh-huh.
40
41 NM: -- ballistic shield on it. And I, um -- I'm
42 thinking, Are they looking at him and not noticing
43 the other, you know, nine cops that are now standing
44 in this hallway? And, uh, as it turned out,
45 obviously, it was just -- I'm thinking, All right,
46 there's just a --
47
48 TC: Right.
49
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2 the --
3
4 TC: Okay.
5
6 NM: We -- we were fully going in there expecting to
7 engage anyway.
8
9 TC: Okay.
10
11 NM: Um, the fact of him coming down the stairs, if it
12 had been, would've made our job easier because here
13 he comes.
14
15 TC: So, that's a good point, something I wanted to touch
16 on. That -- that whole kinda incident and delay and
17 kind of pausing. Seeing -- that didn't slow you
18 down significantly to what you were reacting to
19 based on the situation?
20
21 NM: Didn't slow us down one bit.
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 NM: We were -- we were -- as -- as they're -- obviously,
26 as they're saying, "Hey, he's coming down the stairs
27 now," do we bump over to alcoves a little bit, take
28 a little bit of a position of cover? Because,
29 obviously, he comes busting around the corner and --
30 and starts cracking off --
31
32 TC: Yeah.
33
34 NM: -- uh, you know, uh, 2, 2, 3 rounds down the
35 hallway, we're not gonna be standing in the hallway
36 for it.
37
38 TC: Sure.
39
40 NM: We put ourselves in a position of cover from him,
41 but it was a very quick sequence of, All right, the
42 video is delayed because we're on the second floor;
43 he's not here. Uh, moving on. You know, we're
44 gonna keep moving on.
45
46 MP: And, again, at this time, is it just Coral Springs
47 and the one Broward County, uh, Sheriff's deputy?
48
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2
3 NM: At this point, yes.
4
5 MP: So, you're still on the second floor?
6
7 NM: Still on the --
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 NM: -- second floor.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 NM: Um, so we end up getting to the first classroom. As
16 I said, we make entry, make contact, make contact
17 with the teacher. "Hey, has everyone been in the
18 classroom? Do you know who all these people -- do
19 you know who all these people are? Um, do you know
20 who all these people are? All these students been
21 here since the beginning?" "Yes, yes." They give
22 (unintelligible) thing.
23
24 So, now what happens is, I can't evacuate these kids
25 yet 'cause I don't know where the shooter is, and
26 I'm not gonna dump them in the hallway. I don't
27 know where the shooter -- again, we're still
28 convinced our shooter is somewhere in this school.
29 So, I end up leaving a police officer in the room.
30 Um, I think -- I don't remember which one. But at
31 one point, I left the deputy. The deputy came, and
32 I said, "Hey, just stay with these kids." So, we
33 ended up having four classrooms up there that had
34 roughly 30 kids in them. That -- that bogged me
35 down more than anything --
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 NM: -- because I lost bodies. 'Cause I wasn't gonna
40 leave -- be like, Okay, uh, all right. You guys are
41 on your own. You know, we'll -- we'll --
42
43 MP: Right.
44
45 NM: So, I start -- started leaving bodies with, um -- in
46 the classrooms. Um, and then at that point, just
47 about the time we got, uh, bodies in the classrooms,
48 now BSO SWAT's on scene, and I'm making contact with
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1 MP: Okay.
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 MP: And how -- how did you guys communicate?
6
7 NM: Face-to-face.
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 NM: Face-to-face.
12
13 MP: Was there
14
15 NM: He
16
17 MP: any -- ever radio transmission back and forth
18 between the two of you?
19
20 NM: No.
21
22 MP: Okay. Okay.
23
24 NM: No.
25
26 MP: So, you guys joined together, basically.
27
28 NM: Basically, BSO SWAT now comes up, um, in the
29 hallway. We're having a face-to-face conversation.
30 Um, and then that was basically where they kind of
31 took over some of it. Um, but at that point, I'm
32 still communicating with Captain Mock, uh, whether
33 or not -- you know, "Hey, do you want us to proceed
34 up to the third floor?" And there was already teams
35 working towards the third floor.
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 TC: Okay. Um, and at this time, can you -- at what time
40 -- where are you when you hear that the, uh,
41 suspected shooter is apprehended? Were you still in
42 the building or --
43
44 NM: No.
45
46 TC: Okay.
47
48 NM: We had -- we had cleared the first floor. Or we had
49 -- Coral Springs, obviously, are the two teams that
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1 we're clearing the second floor, I'm trying to
2 figure out how we're gonna start evacuating the
3 students. Um, I'm communicating that with, uh,
4 Captain Mock about how we're gonna end up doing it.
5
6 SM: Excuse me. Do you -- do you need me here or -- or -
7 - he wants me next door. Is that okay?
8
9 NM: That's fine.
10
11 SM: Yeah.
12
13 NM: Yeah.
14
15 SM: And if you want me to come back --
16
17 NM: Just -- who's next door? Just out of curiosity.
18
19 SM: Oh, God. I just blanked. Um --
20
21 TC: Sorry. We don't have (unintelligible) here.
22
23 SM: Yeah, I've got the list. And I --
24
25 NM: Oh, no worries.
26
27 SM: Oh, God.
28
29 NM: It's not a big deal. I was just curious.
30
31 SM: Kempinski [phonetic] .
32
33 NM: Okay.
34
35 MP: Okay. And just for the record, um --
36
37 SM: Yeah.
38
39 MP: -- Mr. Stephen Melnick is, uh, leaving the
40 interview.
41
42 SM: And I'll be next door, and I'll be --
43
44 TC: And for the record --
45
46 SM: I' 11 be (unintelligible)
47
48 TC: we' 11 (unintelligible) obviously
49
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2 NM: Okay.
3
4 SM: Just tap on the door.
5
6 NM: No worries.
7
8 TC: You' re here. If at any point --
9
10 SM: Yeah, I know.
11
12 TC: -- you want to end it --
13
14 SM: And you want me to come back, I'll come back.
15
16 TC: And come back.
17
18 SM: Okay.
19
20 TC: That's yours.
21
22 NM: I'm not worried.
23
24 SM: I know.
25
26 TC: So --
27
28 NM: Um, what was the last --
29
30 TC: So, it was kind of where were you when you got word
31
32
33 NM: Okay. When he -- when he -- when he was in custody.
34 So, we had -- we had finished clearing the second
35 floor. We had gone down. Um, there was already a
36 team and BSO on the third floor. BSO SWAT team had
37 showed up. Coral Springs officers were still up
38 there. Uh, so they were working on the stuff on the
39 third floor. I proceed, uh, down to the first
40 floor. Um, and that's obviously when I saw the
41 the female student that was now outside that --
42
43 TC: Okay.
44
45 NM: -- was inadvertently referred to in my report as·
46 initially being there. She wasn't. Uh, we're
47 having, uh -- as we're sitting out there, then I
48 we get information. Um, I was with Myers, and I
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1 down. Um, and basically that ended up being the
2 student, Wang [phonetic] .
3
4 TC: Uh-huh.
5
6 NM: And -- but the rifle was dropped right next to him.
7 'Cause remember, we were -- we were told that
8 initially an ROTC uniform. So, in my mind, I wasn't
9 thinking an ROT Polo uniform.
10
11 TC: Uh-huh.
12
13 NM: I'm thinking an ROTC uniform.
14
15 TC: Okay.
16
17 NM: So, we had gone up, and sure enough, um, the student
18 was there. Um, it was -- it was Wang, and obviously
19 he was deceased. And we ended up taking his nametag
20 off. And the -- I was standing over with a BSO.
21 One of the BSO, uh, either SWAT medic or SWAT guy
22 who had pulled off the nametag and said, "Yeah, this
23 is not the shooter."
24
25 TC: Okay.
26
27 NM: So, we end up going back downstairs, uh, and trying
28 to formulate the plan. And now some traffic's
29 starting to come over the radio about, Hey, he's
30 his dad called. He's at McDonald's. Um, and then
31 at that point, I'm standing outside of the 1300
32 Building in that area there. I think we had already
33 cleared the 1300 Building. I'm not positive,
34 though.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 NM: Um, and then a short time later, obviously, it came
39 over the radio that he was taken in custody by the
40 Coconut Creek police officer.
41
42 TC: Okay. And -- and for the purposes of this
43 investigation in terms of what we're looking at,
44 when you're interacting with the BSO deputies inside
45 Building 12, do -- are you aware of them having any
46 communications issues with the radios?
47
48 NM: At that time, I was unaware they were having
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2 NM: - issues with the radio. I -- I had no -- no
3 issues.
4
5 TC: But everybody's communicating face-to-face and just
6 because of the nature of where you guys were?
7
8 NM: Correct.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 NM: Correct.
13
14 MP: The -- the sheriff's deputy that was -- that joined
15 you guys, um, earlier on, did you ever by chance get
16 his name?
17
18 NM: I did not.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 NM: I did not. I was -- was happy he was there. I
23 mean, he was --
24
25 MP: Uh-huh.
26
27 NM: -- you know, we had another body there, which was
28 great. So, him being there was -- was awesome.
29
30 MP: Okay. Uh, do you recall any names of the deputies
31 that subsequently joined you guys and assisted with
32 the searching and evacuating?
33
34 NM: (Unintelligible) BSO SWAT guys. You know, I'm
35 familiar. I'm in a SWAT team. I -- you know, I
36 know a lot of their faces. We -- you know, we
37 we've had training and stuff. Um, and I -- I knew
38 they were BSO SWAT guys.
39
40 MP: Okay. Well, speaking of training, um, does your
41 agency have an active shooter policy?
42
43 NM: I don't know if we have a specific written policy on
44 active shooter. We certainly have active shooter
45 training
46
47 MP: Okay.
48
49 NM: -- um, as far as what we are supposed to do, how
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2 rapid entry deployment, uh, in 2002, probably,
3 where, you know, you'd wait for a team of four, and
4 then you'd go through in diamond formation and clear
5 to what has evolved to now, which is, you know, a
6 single-officer response. You know, pull up your
7 boot straps and time to go.
8
9 MP: And basically that's how you were trained to deal
10 with an active shooter? Just -- just go?
11
12 NM: Yes.
13
14 MP: Were you trained any other way to maybe hold what
15 you have and -- and then proceed later or --
16
17 NM: Nope. No. The -- if -- like I said, this one
18 turned out to be kind of a blend because when we
19 showed up, we had no active shooting. So, it's kind
20 of a blend of, you know, Are we doing an active
21 shooter, are we doing a -- what are we doing here?
22 What is our protocol? And -- and at that point, the
23 protocol was, Well, we don't have active shooting,
24 but we know we have injuries.
25
26 MP: Right.
27
28 NM: We' re going.
29
30 MP: At any time from your -- the moment you arrived, did
31 you ever hear any shooting?
32
33 NM: I never heard any shooting. Not once.
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 NM: I, um in there was one point in my radio
38 communication, uh, where I'm on the first floor, and
39 I'm describing what I'm seeing. And I said, "Be
40 advised, we have no active shooting at this time."
41
42 MP: Okay. All right. Um, and has your agency -- you
43 just mentioned that -- trained with other law
44 enforcement agencies regarding different active
45 shooter-type trainings or any other trainings like
46 that? Um --
47
48 NM: I can't think of specifically any training that I've
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2
3 MP: Uh-huh.
4
5 NM: And there was some overlap as far as, uh, you know,
6 training there. But as far as, you know, "Hey,
7 you're gonna -- we're gonna go meet up with, uh, um,
8 Coconut Creek P.O., and we're gonna all train active
9 shooter together," uh, I can't recall ever doing
10 anything like that.
11
12 MP: Well, even within the SWAT training, did you guys
13 cover any active shooter training, um, together?
14
15 NM: Not that I can think of specifically. I know,
16 again, with the multi-agency stuff that we've done
17 in the past, I can remember doing training at the,
18 um -- the abandoned mental hospital down in Pembroke
19 Pines. I know that they did an active shooter, um -
20 - one of the scenarios was an active shooter thing.
21 And I remember, you know, doing it very similar to
22 what we do now. And this was a while ago. As far
23 as, Hey, it's just -- just go. You know --
24
25 MP: Right.
26
27 NM: -- hey, you know, chase down the threat and
28 eliminate the threat.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 TC: Um, just to make sure that we covered since we're
33 covering with anybody. 'Cause we know you were in
34 the 1200.
35
36 NM: Correct.
37
38 TC: Uh, at any time, did you exit the east side or at
39 some point interact with any officers between the
40 800 and 700 building? Which would be this area.
41
42 NM: I don't know. I -- I -- I know that after we were
43 done clearing, we cleared the 1200 Building. Um,
44 victims are being --
45
46 TC: Uh-huh.
47
48 NM: -- triaged, all of that stuff. They're doing all
49 that stuff. We had cleared the 1300 Building here,
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1 ended up being established and, I think, a chemistry
2 lab over here. Uh, at some point, I was given a
3 master key. And I remember clearing a lot of
4 buildings. Uh --
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 NM: -- because I had a key, I -- I -- I don't know if I
9 made contact with anybody here, what kind of
10 interaction I had.
11
12 TC: And it would've been more towards when, you know,
13 you got here, and maybe right after you ended up
14 getting out of the building is -- that's the
15 timeframe. And if you didn't --
16
17 NM: No, we were in the building for quite some time --
18
19 TC: Okay.
20
21 NM: clearing. It was quite -- quite some time that
22 we were in that building.
23
24 TC: Gotcha.
25
26 NM: I remember being shocked at how long we were
27 actually in that building.
28
29 TC: Okay. And, um, any of the -- any -- any other
30 agency officers on the approach, you could not
31 identify as --
32
33 NM: I can tell you, upon the initial approach, it was
34 Coral Springs officers and the -- again, the first
35 time that I saw a BSO deputy was after we were
36 already in the school, had gotten a couple people
37 out. Um, now, I do know -- well, from what I've
38 read, um, a BSO deputy did assist Wilkins with
39 getting, uh --
40
41 TC: Uh-huh.
42
43 NM: -- Hixon out. Um, so maybe that bogged down that
44 one guy, and I don't know where the -- where the --
45 the guy who finally ended up coming in, I don't know
46 where he came from --
47
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2 TC: And the ones you saw positions of cover outside the
3 fence behind their -- their -- their agency
4 vehicles, I guess --
5
6 NM: Correct. I remember seeing at least two.
7
8 TC: Okay.
9
10 NM: Um, and then I remember there was one, maybe two
11 that were in the parking lot when we showed up.
12
13 TC: Okay. And the ones that are in the parking lot
14 and, again, is this the north side of Building --
15
16 NM: This is the north
17
18 TC: 12?
19
20 NM: north side of Building 12.
21
22 TC: Were -- the ones inside this parking lot area, were
23 they taking positions of cover?
24
25 NM: Um, it appeared to be.
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 NM: It appeared to be. Again, my I wasn't really
30 focused on them. I had a lot of
31
32 TC: Understand.
33
34 NM: - site on the building itself.
35
36 TC: Right.
37
38 NM: You know, kinda scanning the whole thing. Waiting
39 - waiting at any point for, again, the shooter to
40 come out of the -- of the doors or
41
42 TC: Uh-huh.
43
44 NM: -- be in a position of cover or wherever. Uh, so,
45 my focus was more on the building, Feis, knowing
46 that that's where I needed to be.
47
48 TC: All right.
49
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2 Broward, uh, County Sheriff's Office, Coral Springs?
3 Any other agencies?
4
5 NM: Only later. Not upon initial -- only later. 'Cause
6 I -- we had a lot of interaction with a lot of the
7 SWAT teams that were clearing --
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 NM: -- a lot of the building. Had a lot of interaction
12 with them because, again, I had the master key so --
13
14 MP: Right.
15
16 NM: -- I unlocked a lot of doors.
17
18 TC: Gotcha.
19
20 MP: Okay. Anything else?
21
22 TC: (No audible response.)
23
24 MP: All right. Um, thank you. In regards to this
25 investigation, is there anything that we have either
26 failed to ask you or that you would like to add or
27 clarify in your statement today?
28
29 NM: No, ma' am.
30
31 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
32 for this statement today?
33
34 NM: No, I have not.
35
36 MP: Okay. Has the information you provided during this
37 interview been the truth to the best of your
38 knowledge or recollection?
39
40 NM: Yes.
41
42 MP: Okay. The interview is concluded at 9:34 a.m. on
43 Tuesday, May 15, 2018.
44
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2 (INTERVIEW OF CAPTAIN BRAD MOCK, #EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 BM CAPTAIN BRADLEY MOCK
10
11 MP: Today's date is Monday, May 14th, 2018. The time now
12 is approximately 11:09 a.m. I'm Inspector Meschelle
13 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
15 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
16 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. I'll be questioning
17 Mr. Brad Mock as a witness in an official FDLE
18 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Inspector
19 Keith Riddick is in charge of this investigation.
20
21 On February 25th, 2018, Florida Governor Rick Scott
22 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
23 response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
24 record, I would like to clarify that. This is a
25 witness statement being given by you as part of the
26 investigation into the law enforcement response to
27 the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school shooting that
28 occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
29 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
30 to provide this statement. Do you understand that?
31
32 BM: Yes, I do.
33
34 MP: Okay. Prior to going on record, um, for the record,
35 did we provide you with adequate -- enough time to
36 review your statement that you had previously
37 provided?
38
39 BM: Yes, you did.
40
41 MP: Okay. Uh, prior to beginning this interview you
42 should be aware of the following: This interview is
43 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
44 I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
45 statements. In a moment I will be taking a sworn
46 statement from you. You will be under oath, and if
47 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
48 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
49 each of the items I've just informed you of?
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1 BM: Yes, I do.
2
3 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record
4 reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do you
5 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
6 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth,
7 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
8
9 BM: I do.
10
11 MP: Thank you. For the record, please state your full
12 name.
13
14 BM: Donald Bradley Mock.
15
16 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
17
18 BM: Uh, Coral Springs Police Department.
19
20 MP: Okay. And in what capacity?
21
22 BM: I'm currently the Captain over a Special Operations
23 component.
24
25 MP: Okay. And how long have you been in that position?
26
27 BM: Uh, I just took it over two weeks ago for, uh -- at
28 the time of this incident, previously, I was a
29 Captain over Criminal Investigations.
30
31 MP: Okay. And how long have you been with Coral Springs
32 P.D.?
33
34 BM: I was hired in 1998.
35
36 MP: Long time .
37
38 BM: So almost 20 years, yes.
39
40 MP: Okay. Also --
41
42 TC: Anywhere before that law enforcement earlier?
43
44 BM: No.
45
46 TC: You -- okay.
47
48 MP: All right. Troy and I both will be asking
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1 TC: Um, and then just for the record, we've got here the
2 report. This appears to be, for all intents and
3 purposes, the report you wrote regarding this
4 incident?
5
6 BM: Yes , it is .
7
8 TC: Okay. And I had you sign and date that. And we're
9 just gonna reflect it's case number, uh, 18-001708.
10 And, uh -- and that's there for reference. Um, so
11 if you can just kinda walk us through -- and we've
12 got the maps here -- uh, how you received the call
13 and approximate times, or if you know the exact
14 times it will be beneficial to us. But just kinda
15 walk us through how you responded, what you heard,
16 and -- and just kinda walk us through your response
17 to, uh, the incident on February 14th.
18
19 BM: Uh, I was in my office, um, at -- at our
20 headquarters, at our police station. Um, I was in a
21 meeting with one of my sergeants and, uh, I received
22 a, uh, text message from one of the detectives. And
23 it, uh, basically advised, uh, "Active shooter at
24 Douglas," and I believe there was a question mark.
25 I looked at the text message, um, and he -- I can go
26 back and reference it, but it basically -- he said
27 he heard it on the fire radio.
28
29 Um, so by the time I looked at that, and before I
30 could get to the radio and key up, uh, Sergeant
31 Reid, uh, Sergeant Bill Reid had keyed up on the
32 radio and asked our Dispatch if there was an active
33 shooter at Douglas, uh, that he had heard the same
34 from a -- from a fire radio. Uh, at that point
35 Dispatch said, "Yes, we're getting multiple calls of
36 an active shooter at Douglas." At that point, it
37 was just a full-out sprint out of the building. Um,
38 multiple officers, we were all running out. I went
39 down to my truck. Uh, I put my vest on, grabbed my
40 rifle, and I proceeded towards Douglas.
41
42 MP: Do you recall what time this was this -- this
43 started happening?
44
45 BM: It -- it was 2, right -- right around 2:30, a little
46 before 2:30.
47
48 MP: Okay.
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2
3 MP: Okay. And you responded immediately, as soon as you
4 heard?
5
6 BM: As. soon as they came across, I -- I -- we were in a
7 dead sprint.
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 BM: I say "we." There was multiple officers.
12
13 TC: Uh-huh.
14
15 BM: There's obviously the --
16
17 MP: Got it .
18
19 BM: -- the police department just emptied out.
20
21 MP: Okay.
22
23 BM: Um, down in the parking lot. Put my vest on,
24 grabbed my rifle, put it in the front seat and took
25 off. And we were in -- uh, there was a whole line
26 of us. We're northbound on, uh, Coral Springs
27 Drive, which is a straight --
28
29 TC: Uh-huh.
30
31 BM: you know, route right to --
32
33 TC: Is it --
34
35 BM: Douglas. Pine Island.
36
37 TC: Pine Island. Okay.
38
39 BM: Yeah. Uh, Coral Springs Drive turns into Pine
40 Island. Um, upon arrival to school, um, I had
41 parked my car -- there's a very southeast parking
42 lot where the, uh, buses go in --
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 BM: -- for the bus loop, and right at the corner of Pine
47 Island and that bus loop, I parked my car right
48 here.
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1 BM: Um --
2
3 TC: Let me see. The -- the next one might have that
4 parking lot.
5
6 BM: There you go.
7
8 TC: Boom.
9
10 BM: And my car was basically kinda just facing, like,
11 this way, kind of on an angle right up against the
12 curb. Um, I got out, um, grabbed my rifle and
13 proceeded to (unintelligible) or to run the sidewalk
14 here. And prior to getting there, um, they were
15 advising, uh, the Freshman Building, which none of
16 us know what the Freshman Building is. And one of
17 our officers said, "It's the three-story building in
18 the north end of the school," which was key for us.
19 It was the only third-story building at Douglas.
20
21 TC: Okay. And (unintelligible) so here you are. You
22 are south.
23
24 BM: Correct. I -- I'm --
25
26 TC: You -- you -- you came you -- you were headed
27 north, came from south.
28
29 BM: Correct.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 BM: Correct. Uh, came underneath the Sawgrass and then
34 the school's on the left. Parked here. Got out,
35 and I proceeded to run up the east side of all these
36 buildings. I came up. There's a gate right here.
37
38 TC: Okay. Can you put, uh, like a G for gate?
39
40 BM: I'll just write "gate."
41
42 TC: Okay. Was it unlocked or locked?
43
44 BM: No, it was unlocked.
45
46 TC: Okay.
47
48 BM: Um, and I believe it was -- it might have even been
49 open. I can't remember. Um, but I ran in that
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2
3 MP: Actually, can you just draw it, the -- the
4
5 BM: Yeah.
6
7 MP: -- route that you took --
8
9 BM: Yeah.
10
11 MP: -- from -- yeah. When you, uh --
12
13 BM: I came up -- I want to make sure that I --
14
15 TC: Yeah.
16
17 BM: The gate is approximate, but that looks like it's
18 it. And then I ran up the side of these buildings,
19 the east side of Building 1, Building 8. And I came
20 to the northeast corner of Building 8, and I held
21 for a second.
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 BM: Um, from there I was looking at the building. I'm,
26 uh -- I remember looking up and, uh, someone had
27 referenced bullet holes, on the radio, in -- in the
28 windows, and I was looking at that, for those bullet
29 holes. Um, there was a tree, a large tree in the
30 grass a couple feet in front of me. Um, I then
31 moved up behind that tree, um, and posted there.
32 Sergeant Koslowski, uh, Bruce Koslowski, um, had met
33 up with me at that tree. At that time, someone had
34 advised -- and I can't remember who -- someone
35 advised that BSO, um, was inside the building. I
36 got on the radio to confirm that, 'cause I didn't
37 want to just go into the building blind --
38
39 MP: Right.
40
41 BM: and get in a crossfire situation.
42
43 TC: Did - did that come over the radio?
44
45 BM: Came over the radio.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 BM: I asked for confirmation, um, "Is BSO in the
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1 we were advised, no. So we -- we proceeded to move
2 up. There was a team of -- of officers -- and I
3 apologize. I can't remember all the names --
4
5 MP: That's --
6
7 BM: -- that was at the east doors.
8
9 TC: Okay.
10
11 BM: So, um, myself and Sergeant Koslowski, and I believe
12 there was some behind us, we then traversed up to
13 the east doors. Um, Sergeant Mazzy -- and I'm sorry
14 if I'm all over the place. Please tell me to stop.
15
16 MP: You're fine. You're doing fine.
17
18 BM: Sergeant Mazzy, um, had advised that he had entered
19 the west side of the -- of this -- of the -- the
20 building.
21
22 MP: Uh-huh.
23
24 BM: Um, and at the time, for whatever reason, I -- I
25 didn't know if he was actually inside the building
26 or just on the outside of the west. Um, even
27 though, you know, going back, listening to the radio
28 traffic, it was clear he was inside. When we made
29 the entry at that point into the east doors, there
30 was a large, uh, a fairly large group of us. Um
31
32 TC: Was that a mixed group of law enforcement or
33
34 BM: I didn't know at the time.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 BM: I didn't know at the time. Um, and I -- and once we
39 made entry, we were in a cross fire, because
40 Sergeant Mazzy and his group on their side, they --
41 they went up to the second floor. We immediately
42 had victims in front of us. I -- basically, what I
43 did is I -- I controlled the clear of the first
44 floor. I said, basic -- gave the direction, "We are
45 gonna rescue and clear. We don't know who the
46 suspect is." And the reason -- the reason I'm
47 telling you this is as we moved forward, at one
48 point I turned backwards to look for resources, what
49 we had with us, um, and there was multiple Coral
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1 with us. I do not know their names. There was a
2 a white, uh -- white male, um, middle-aged, maybe
3 younger. I don't want to offend him. Um, very nice
4 guy. And there was a -- a black male in plain
5 clothes with a tac vest thrown over it.
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 MP: Uh-huh.
10
11 BM: Now, um -- and he was outstanding. Um, and they
12 were with us through the clear of the first floor.
13 At that point, as more personnel were coming in, um,
14 you know, my -- my SWAT personnel and other guys, I
15 was just directing them to different floors and team
16 (unintelligible)
17
18 TC: Uh-huh.
19
20 BM: -- were clearing the first floor.
21
22 TC: Okay. Um --
23
24 BM: I'm sorry. I do not know --
25
26 TC: -- no --
27
28 BM: the BSO deputy's name.
29
30 TC: No, that's fine.
31
32 MP: No, you're -- you're
33
34 BM: I --
35
36 MP: you're fine. You're doing good.
37
38 TC: You that's enough for us --
39
40 MP: Yeah. Uh-huh.
41
42 TC: -- to look and -- and I'm sure at some point, you
43 know, we'll be able to put it together. Uh, but
44 the, um -- everybody that came -- oh, let me ask you
45 this. How were you dressed that day?
46
47 BM: I was in plain clothes.
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1 BM: Um, I was in, um, what you -- we call business
2 casual.
3
4 TC: Right.
5
6 BM: I was in as a captain.
7
8 TC: Yeah.
9
10 BM: Um, I was wearing, uh, uh, dress pants --
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 BM: -- with a button-down shirt.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 BM: No tie.
19
20 TC: Do you remember what color the button-down shirt is?
21
22 BM: Yeah, it was like a gray-white.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 BM: Um
27
28 TC: So you threw on your vest that was in your truck.
29
30 BM: My vest was over that --
31
32 TC: You had your --
33
34 BM: -- (unintelligible).
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 TC: Okay. So you
39
40 BM: Then I had my rifle.
41
42 TC: -- you know, had your tac gear, but just plain
43 clothes.
44
45 BM: I was the only -- I was -- pretty much, I think
46 if I remember correctly, I was the only one in
47 business pants.
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1 BM: So you -- if you see the video, you'll see --
2
3 TC: Yeah.
4
5 BM: -- me right away. You'll say, "That's the guy."
6
7 TC: That's the -- got it. Okay.
8
9 MP: But that will also help others recall you --
10
11 BM: Yes.
12
13 MP: -- you know, and where -- who you -- who was with
14 you, so that's great.
15
16 TC: Uh, okay. When you -- and as -- for the purpose of
17 ·our investigation, obviously we know you -- you're
18 clearing the building. So you guys, first floor,
19 um, you -- you encountered victims. You -- you had
20 some people move victims out.
21
22 BM: Yes. I actually directed, um, that -- well, we --
23 we removed live victims. We were carrying them out.
24 I was calling for triage to the east with F.D. and
25 everything else. And we were -- we were running
26 live victims that were out --
27
28 TC: And were you running them out of the east door?
29
30 BM: East doors.
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 BM: Everything we did on the first floor from my team --
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 BM: was out the east until we get further down --
39
40 TC: Got it.
41
42 BM: and then upstairs, you know. Um, and as we were
43 clearing through, we were running live victims. We
44 initially were holding as we were -- we were
45 forcible -- forcibly entering, uh, the rooms.
46
47 TC: Uh-huh.
48
49 BM: If everybody was okay, we contacted the -- the
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1 which is great. They were following protocol. We
2 just smashed the windows, reach in, open the doors.
3 Um, as long as there was no victims inside, we were
4 telling the teachers to hold their students inside,
5 that they were safe at that time --
6
7 TC: Uh-huh.
8
9 BM: -- and hold. Um, at -- we were -- I want to say we
10 were roughly half to three-quarters, and one of the
11 officers made the decision to empty out a classroom,
12 which, okay, it -- it -- you know, I'm not gonna
13 change it. Um, I did direct personnel. We did move
14 a couple of bodies along the south wall, and my
15 my point of doing that was I wanted to create
16 somewhat of a shield so students didn't see --
17
18 MP: Yeah.
19
20 BM: -- and we were directing them face down, head to
21 the door. Face down at the -- the door. And we
22 tried to minimize what these students saw.
23 Unfortunately, some --
24
25 MP: Some --
26
27 BM: some saw .
28
29 MP: still saw.
30
31 BM: Of course. Um, and as,. uh, more bodies -- more
32 bodies -- when I'm saying "bodies," I'm talking
33 about law enforcement officers. As more of our guys
34 were coming in, I was directing them, communicating
35 with Sergeant Mazzy, who was on the second floor.
36
37 TC: Were you -- okay. I'm sorry. Were you
38 communicating with him via radio?
39
40 BM: Radio.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 BM: Radio.
45
46 MP: Did you have any communications from --
47 communication problems with the radio at this time
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3
4 BM: No, we --
5
6 MP: You guys were able to go back and forth and --
7
8 BM: Yes, we --
9
10 MP: clearly?
11
12 BM: we had -- we had no problem.
13
14 MP: Okay. Right.
15
16 BM: Um, the only issue from a large scale event is, you
17 know, if you're already -- if you're keying up and
18 I'm keying up, one of us -- only one --
19
20 MP: Right.
21
22 BM: But that's normal.
23
24 MP: Uh-huh.
25
26 BM: That's
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 BM: But we had -- we had no radio issues.
31
32 MP: Good.
33
34 BM: We were able to communicate.
35
36 TC: So the, uh -- since we're kinda -- kind of on that,
37 'cause we -- we -- wouldn't -- when I read reports
38 and I see something about maybe radio
39 communications, it seems like when people got into
40 the building maybe there was some interference or
41 anything. And so I know from that you guys -- on
42 this day were you only communicating with the Coral
43 Springs Police Department Dispatch Center?
44
45 BM: Uh, uh, yes. From my knowledge, yes.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
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2 TC: In the time from when you left Coral Springs, or en
3 route there, did you have any problems reaching
4 anybody back at the Communications Center, like,
5 when you keyed up trying to get to them, was there
6 any issue on your end?
7
8 BM: No.
9
10 TC: Okay. And the same when you're communicating in the
11 building to people above you, Sergeant Mazzy, you
12 did not have issues. Is that correct?
13
14 BM: Correct.
15
16 TC: Okay. I don't want to put anything in your mouth,
17 but that's what --
18
19 BM: I'm
20
21 TC: -- I'm understanding is that --
22
23 BM: Yes.
24
25 TC: -- you were -- you were able to communicate via
26 radio with your officers and your people.
27
28 BM: Correct.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 TC: Did you have any -- did you have a BSO radio or
33 anything like that on you?
34
35 BM: No.
36
37 TC: Nothing to that effect.
38
39 BM: No.
40
41 TC: Okay.
42
43 BM: Um, I didn't even learn of -- we were probably
44 three-quarters of the way through the first floor
45 and someone advised that BSO SWAT was on scene, and
46 that -- and we -- we had a patch.
47
48 TC: Okay.
49
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2 somebody. Um, one of the deputies -- it was the
3 white male deputy who was to my left -- I asked him
4 if -- if he had gotten that. And he said he --
5 their radios, he can't communicate on the radios.
6
7 TC: Okay. So the BSO people with --
8
9 BM: Uh
10
11 TC: your group, did one of the two -- the white male
12 with you, he was not -- he was having communication
13 issues with his people.
14
15 BM: Well, correct. I asked him if he had heard
16 anything. He -- and all he said was, "I'm having
17 radio issues."
18
19 TC: Okay.
20
21 BM: And -- and I left it at that.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 TC: Was that -- did that occur inside the building or --
26
27 BM: Inside the building.
28
29 TC: Okay. All right. So this BSO patch, when you heard
30 it, were you physically inside Building 12 when that
31 communication came over?
32
33 BM: Yes.
34
35 TC: Okay.
36
37 BM: Yes.
38
39 TC: All right.
40
41 BM: Yes.
42
43 TC: And again, I know some of these details are kinda
44 mundane and --
45
46 BM: Yeah.
47
48 TC: -- hard, but for our purposes, I -- I --
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2 TC: -- I think you fully
3
4 MP: Trying to get
5
6 TC: -- understand what
7
8 MP: -- the full picture here, so --
9
10 TC: -- what we got.
11
12 BM: And even when -- even when, uh -- when the advisor
13 was a patch, I couldn't tell you when that happened,
14 but I didn't have any -- I never had communication
15 issues with -- with my personnel.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 BM: Um, so I -- I'm not -- I'm not --
20
21 TC: Yeah.
22
23 BM: a radio guy. I can't tell you how patches go.
24 I'm not a techie.
25
26 MP: Yeah.
27
28 BM: Um, but I -- I -- I never had an issue with
29 communications with -- with -- with my personnel.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 TC: Um, now -- I'm sorry.
36
37 BM: No. Go ahead, please.
38
39 TC: You -- you -- on the first floor, you said there was
40 some decisions to get -- you know, people were
41 getting removed from the classrooms and everything
42 like that, and I know --
43
44 US: (Unintelligible) airplane.
45
46 TC: I guess, what -- what was your thought process?
47 Were you still in an active shooter mode or was this
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2 TC: -- was it kind of you guys didn't have enough
3 information at that point?
4
5 BM: No, we -- we -- we knew we had an active shooter,
6 especially once we broke the plane of that door and
7 we saw, you know, we had victims. There was, uh,
8 shell casings down. Um, but we had never heard --
9 by the time we arrived on scene, and to my
10 knowledge, not a single Coral Springs officer had
11 heard any shots --
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 BM: by the time any of us arrived --
16
17 TC: And that --
18
19 BM: on scene.
20
21 TC: -- answers
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 TC: -- the question. When you're approaching the
26 building, do you hear any gunshots?
27
28 BM: No, absolutely
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 BM: -- not, no. Um, and I remember, uh, Officer Burton
33 was specifically asked by a supervisor while we're
34 en route, 'cause he was first on scene, if he had
35 heard any shots, and he advised he did not.
36
37 TC: Okay. When you -- and it may have been hard, and so
38 we've toured the build so we kinda have an idea
39 of the lay of the land
40
41 MP: Uh-huh.
42
43 BM: Uh-huh.
44
45 TC: -- and stuff. And so hindsight's 20/20. When
46 you're over here, did -- do you see any windows that
47 appeared to have been shot out?
48
49 BM: If I -- if I recall correct, and in
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1 TC: When you' re approaching?
2
3 BM: Yeah, and forgive me, 'cause I didn't put it in the
4 report 'cause without being able to go back there,
5 and you saw -- I saw so much that day, it was hard.
6
7 TC: Yes.
8
9 BM: I -- I -- if I recall correctly, I -- I'm -- I could
10 have sworn there was, uh, the -- the -- I believe it
11 was the third floor windows from my perspective
12 here, um, that I could see -- uh, see bullet holes
13 there.
14
15 TC: Okay.
16
17 BM: Um, and there might have been the first floor. I
18 just -- I can't be a hundred percent honest. I
19 apologize. Um, I recall, I mean.
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 BM: Um --
24
25 TC: And is this before you initially enter?
26
27 BM: Yeah, this is prior to.
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 BM: This is when --
32
33 TC: So you see --
34
35 BM: back here, looking at the -- at the building.
36
37 TC: When you were look so you had a view of the, uh,
38 the south wall.
39
40 BM: Correct.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 BM: South and east.
45
46 TC: South and east. Can you tell me south and east
47 where the bullet holes that you saw may have been?
48
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1 TC: Okay.
2
3 MP: Okay. Now, going back here, when you were coming up
4 this area here, did you see any staff member or
5 anyone else other than officers that you were with?
6 Was anyone else gathered here in this area? Was --
7
8 BM: I didn't -- I don't remember seeing anybody.
9
10 MP: Okay. All right.
11
12 BM: Um, and -- and I remember -- I -- I -- I mean, I was
13 -- I was running pretty quick.
14
15 MP: Uh-huh.
16
17 BM: Not -- not super quick. Um, I was so focused on
18 getting up there, I'm sure there was people around,
19 but I don't remember.
20
21 MP: Okay. Okay.
22
23 BM: I don't remember seeing anybody, but I couldn't
24 specifically say this was us, this was someone else,
25 I -- this was someone. I couldn't -- I couldn't
26 tell you.
27
28 MP: Okay.
29
30 BM: I was I was zeroed in on getting up there.
31
32 MP: Uh-huh.
33
34 BM: Um, and the -- once I got up here, um, I remember
35 the officers come -- seeing them come around the
36 front, and Sergeant Koslowski marrying up with me,
37 um, and then -- and -- and until we get in, you
38 know, that's when I, you know, started -- was more
39 cognizant of who was with us and then what was going
40 on.
41
42 MP: Okay.
43
44 BM: Um, once we -- once we pretty muc0 were done with
45 the -- with the first floor, I had married up with a
46 BSO SWAT
47
48 TC: Uh-huh.
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1 who advised me, um, "We can't even get on our
2 radio." And I said, "Well, I have good
3 communications, but we need to be staying side-by-
4 side."
5
6 MP: Uh-huh.
7
8 BM: Um, and we -- we got separated, but we came back
9 together just so we had communications on the
10 interior of that building. I wanted to make sure,
11 because they were coming in. I wanted to make sure
12 that he knew -- I'm also our SWAT Commander, so I
13 know those guys, you know, fairly --
14
15 MP: Yeah.
16
17 BM: -- well, too.
18
19 TC: Uh-huh.
20
21 BM: I wanted to make sure they knew exactly where we
22 were, so we weren't having just people run --
23
24 MP: Right.
25
26 BM: -- all over the place, 'cause we -- at that time,
27 we were still looking for a suspect.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 BM: Um, and -- I'm sorry. Then to go back to answer
32 your question, um, never heard any shots, so our
33 mode was simple, due to the suspect, we felt -- I
34 felt the suspect was bedded down in that building.
35
36 MP: Uh-huh.
37
38 BM: Um, and we were clearing to get -- to find a suspect
39 and treating victims behind the clear, if that makes
40 sense.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 MP: It does. It does.
45
46 TC: That -- that also top brass says moving forward.
47 You're gonna move forward, clear the victims and,
48 um, you guys were still in that, in the mode of this
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2 BM: Clearing.
3
4 TC: -- searching for
5
6 MP: Actually looking for the shooter.
7
8 BM: If at any point we had heard shots, we were running
9 to those shots. We're bypassing everything and
10 we're going to wherever it is.
11
12 MP: Right.
13
14 BM: Without those shots, um, you know, in my mind he was
15 bedded down somewhere, and we -- we -- we were going
16 to find him.
17
18 MP: Okay.
19
20 BM: It was a much more slow, methodical, because we had
21 to clear as we went. And because of that, we
22 brought the resources up to treat the bodies and --
23 and, uh, extract victims as we cleared.
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 TC: When you first entered, was there -- was your vision
28 impaired at all? Because, you know, what -- we've
29 seen some videos up like this, so if you can kinda
30 describe what you saw, something, anything like that
31 that might help us as to the conditions you had when
32 you first go into the building?
33
34 BM: It was, uh, very, uh, smokey. Um
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 BM: -- I could probably see about three-quarters down
39 the hall. I couldn't -- I could barely -- uh, I
40 remember seeing some light fragments, but I couldn't
41 see the west doors. Um, and I saw some shadowing
42 when we came in. Um, a couple guys were yelling
43 orders to the sheriff -- but that was Sergeant Mazzy
44 and his team. That's when he said, "I'm going to
45 the second floor," 'cause --
46
47 MP: Yeah.
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49 TC: Crossfire.
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1 BM: -- we were in a crossfire.
2
3 TC: Yeah.
4
5 BM: Um, and then, uh, there were shell casings all over
6 the floor. Um, you could smell the gunpowder, um,
7 you know, like -- like being at the range. You
8 could -- you could smell --
9
10 MP: Uh-huh.
11
12 BM: the gunpowder. And, um, as we progressed it --
13 it got a little clearer as far as vision, but it was
14 it -- it was extremely quiet. You could have
15 heard a pin drop. You know? Outside of our
16 communication, you could have heard a pin drop in
17 the building.
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 TC: Um, from the time you left Coral Springs until you
22 got to the building, to where you entered, do you
23 know approximation how long that took?
24
25 BM: I could -- I could tell you I was flying. Um, with
26 that said, it felt like it took forever.
27
28 TC: Gotcha.
29
30 BM: Um, I -- I -- I didn't key up on the radio. I just
31 went. Um, I know when I got to Wilds and Coral
32 Springs Drive, one of our detectives had that
33 intersection blocked so everyone could just -- could
34 really just -- just plow through and not have to
35 worry about the lights. Um, I -- I really couldn't
36 give you a time. I wish I could.
37
38 TC: Sure.
39
40 MP: Uh-huh.
41
42 BM: I -- I know I -- I know I was flying.
43
44 MP: Yeah.
45
46 BM: And my -- my -- my -- when I got there, I -- you
47 could smell my brakes. You could -- you know, the
48 whole nine yards.
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1 BM: Um, I was definitely breaking the speed limit.
2
3 TC: Another thing that will help, um, just 'cause with
4 the CAD reports and stuff, um, do you recall what
5 your radio ID was that day?
6
7 BM: I had two.
8
9 TC: You had two? Okay.
10
11 BM: Correct. Uh, initially, I had used Sierra 13, which
12 is my normal designator.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 BM: Um, I transitioned to my Gulf 1 number, which is my
17 SWAT --
18
19 TC: SWAT.
20
21 BM: -- call sign
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 BM: -- while we were in the building, because, uh,
26 someone had initiate -- which was the right thing to
27 do -- um, a SWAT call-out, and as we were clearing
28 and more SWAT elements were getting involved, I then
29 started using my Gulf 1 identifier.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 TC: And which radio channels did you use during this
36 incident?
37
38 BM: Uh, just our -- I -- I believe it was just our main
39 channel.
40
41 TC: Okay. Did you ever use a SWAT, um -- the SRT-1?
42
43 BM: Oh, the -- um, we -- we did from a communications
44 standpoint. I didn't use it. Um, I had my -- um,
45 my number two, my XO, uh, which is Captain -- uh,
46 actually, now Deputy Chief Brad McKeone, um -- this
47 is once the building -- once 1200 Building, we had
48 that secured, um, I had moved over to the Tactical
49 Operations Center with with, uh, Captain Steve
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1 it was his TOC. I assisted him. Um, and we -- they
2 had a 14-channel designated for that clear, and I --
3 you' re gonna have to ask Deputy Chief McKeone, but I
4 know he had monitored SRT-1 channel, because there
5 was some communication, uh, issues going on.
6
7 TC: All right.
8
9 BM: Uh, uh, but I can't tell you, uh, because I told
10 him, "You take care of the communication. I'm gonna
11 stay on this main channel."
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 BM: To coordinate whatever else we need to coordinate
16 from the outside.
17
18 MP: And being on the main channels, you didn't encounter
19 any issues?
20
21 BM: I did not.
22
23 MP: Um, even when they -- someone spotted the, um,
24 shooter.
25
26 BM: Nope.
27
28 MP: When the shooter was apprehended, you got all of
29 that clear.
30
31 BM: In fact, when, uh --
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 BM: -- we -- we received a call. Someone approached me
36 at the TOC, um, (unintelligible) Operations Center,
37 um, that, um, he was seen at McDonald's. I think
38 his father or somebody called, said he was in
39 McDonald's. I immediately grabbed six of my SWAT
40 guys -- 'cause we were getting to break the SWAT
41 teams up to clear --
42
43 TC: Uh-huh.
44
45 BM: -- the rest of the school.
46
47 MP: Uh-huh.
48
49 BM: I immediately grabbed six of my guys who were right
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1 MP: Uh-huh.
2
3 BM: And, um, on their way there, um, a Coconut Creek
4 officer advised he saw him. And I remember asking
5 him specifically where, "Give me a business,
6 something in the area." He said, "It's
7 residential." Um, someone came across, "It's
8 Wyndham Lakes," and, I mean, I heard the whole thing
9 clear as day. When they communicated to me that he
10 was in custody, I cleared communications with them.
11
12 MP: Uh-huh.
13
14 BM: I wanted to make sure that that was our guy, you
15 know, re-establish. Uh, I wanted to make sure, see
16 if we had anybody for a -- a show-up.
17
18 MP: Right.
19
20 BM: You need two witnesses for a show-up.
21
22 TC: And where were you standing when you got that
23 communication he was apprehended?
24
25 BM: This is Building 12.
26
27 TC: Uh-huh.
28
29 BM: This is Building 13. This is Holmberg. This is the
30 west gate. Basically, uh, this is where we set up
31 our -- our Tactical Operations Command. Um, right
32 out just north of Building 13, in that parking lot.
33
34 TC: Okay. So that's when you got it.
I 35
36 BM: And then we had used the -- from all that
37 information was -- was right here. We cleared
38 Building 13, and we moved the rest of the Tactical
39 Operations Center into Building 13, in a classroom.
40
41 TC: Okay.
42
43 BM: At that time, uh, we were -- we were still out here.
44
45 TC: Gotcha. And so -- so before that happened, had you
46 -- did you reach all floors of Building 13, or did
47 you --
48
49 BM: I did.
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1 TC: Okay.
2
3 BM: Um, once we were 100 percent done with the first
4 floor, um, I moved to the second floor where
5 Sergeant Mazzy was briefly. Popped in and said,
6 "You guys are good?" He said, "Yes." Moved to the
7 third floor, where I had directed some of our guys
8 and BSO, and they were, uh, Broward Sheriff's, uh,
9 SWAT Team, and they were already clearing. I joined
10 in with them. Uh, I think we cleared a couple
11 rooms, and then I said, "This is good. I gotta get
12 back downstairs "
13
14 TC: Sure.
15
16 BM: "-- to the -- to the Tactical Operations."
17
18 TC: Okay.
19
20 BM: Um, and, uh, when I, uh, moved up -- I moved up and
21 down the west stairwell.
22
23 TC: The west side. Okay. Gotcha. And again, I know
24 we're beating a dead horse, but in all that time, on
25 all the floors, you had no communications problems
26 with your people?
27
28 BM: Correct.
29
30 TC: Coral Springs. Okay.
31
32 BM: Correct.
33
34 MP: All right. Um, I have asked this already about the
35 response. Ask it again. So, again, the route that
36 you came in that -- and you've already answered, but
37 I'm just gonna make sure --
38
39 BM: Uh - huh .
40
41 MP: -- I have it right. You didn't see any other law
42 enforcement personnel up in this area here between
43 Building 700 --
44
45 TC: Because he -- he marries up --
46
47 MP: -- and 800?
48
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1 BM: There was Sergeant Koslowski. There was another
2 officer here. There was an officer on this corner.
3
4 MP: Uh-huh.
5
6 BM: I can't recall who it was.
7
8 MP: Did that officer join you guys?
9
10 BM: Yeah, once
11
12 MP: Or they
13
14 BM: When we ran up, I believe that officer joined us,
15 yes.
16
17 MP: Okay. All right. Do -- but you don't recall --
18
19 BM: I believe, but I -- I can't recall who it was.
20
21 MP: Was it a Coral Springs officer or
22
23 BM: I think -- I'm almost positive it was a Coral
24 Springs.
25
26 MP: Okay. All right.
27
28 BM: At one point, um, on the -- 'cause we were breaking
29 windows. I had asked for a set of keys, um, and,
30 uh, someone said, "Pop out the east doors." I
31 popped out the east doors. A set of keys were
32 thrown to me, and someone said, "They're from BSO."
33 And it might even have been -- I think it was one of
34 our guys that threw them. Um, and that was -- and I
35 went back in with those keys. Uh, to this day, I
36 don't know whose keys they were --
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 BM: -- that were thrown to me.
41
42 TC: Can you -- I know -- I don't know if this will come
43 into play down the road. Can you describe how many
44 -- approximately how many keys were on this key
45 chain?
46
47 BM: It was a --
48
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1 BM: -- big key ring.
2
3 TC: Okay. Like
4
5 BM: It was
6
7 TC: a janitor, you know. I always say, "You "
8
9 BM: Literally, when it was thrown --
10
11 TC: "--look like you've got janitor's keys."
12
13 BM: Literally, when it was thrown, I looked at it. I go
14 -- I go -- excuse my language. I said, "What
15 fucking key is it?"
16
17 MP: Yeah.
18
19 TC: Okay.
20
21 BM: Um --
22
23 MP: Right, right.
24
25 BM: and then we got that worked out and we went in.
26
27 MP: Now, and also, too, when you were going there, did
28 you see any officers setting up perimeter around
29 that Building 1200?
30
31 BM: I did not see it.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 BM: Um, well, once we were inside, the only -- I -- the
36 only reason I stepped out was to grab those keys and
37 I was right back in.
38
39 MP: Okay. So prior to you going into the building you
40 didn't see anyone setting up any -- a perimeter?
41
42 BM: I did not.
43
44 MP: Okay. You have anything else?
45
46 TC: And again, since you went to the map, and just so I
47 want to say that we covered it, we know from the
48 video and everything that, uh, Deputy Peterson
49 [phonetic] was in between here, the 700 and the 800,
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1 BM: Uh-huh.
2
3 TC: -- here. And again, I know you were focused. Did
4 you see anybody over in this hallway area or
5 anything that you recall?
6
7 BM: Down here?
8
9 TC: Yes, in here.
10
11 BM: I didn't -- honest, I didn't even look. When I was
12 approaching, I didn't even look that direction.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 TC: And then just to verify, the south -- again, the
19 south side is where, uh, you didn't hear any bullet
20 holes or anything like that, but it appeared that
21 there were bullet holes in the windows?
22
23 BM: Correct.
24
25 TC: Okay. On the south side of the building, Building
26 12?
27
28 BM: Yes. I can't remember. I -- I couldn't tell you
29 what classroom. I -- I couldn't tell you that. I
30 have no clue.
31
32 MP: All right. All right. Um, the next few questions I
33 have are regarding training.
34
35 BM: Uh - huh .
36
37 MP: Um, has your agency received any type of active
38 shooter training?
39
40 BM: Yes.
41
42 MP: Okay. And what was it like? What type of training?
43 When was the last time you guys had this training,
44 first of all?
45
46 BM: Well, we do it. We -- we've done a continual of, uh
47 -- when I say "continual," we've done active shooter
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1 BM: -- um, through in-service, and then we've continued
2 to do tactical medicine training, as well, as a
3 continuation of that training.
4
5 MP: Right.
6
7 BM: Um, you know, last year we were running tourniquets
8 in training and -- and, you know, responding, taking
9 out -- responding to a shooter, taking out a
10 shooter, responding to a victim, running tourniquets
11 and everything else.
12
13 MP: Okay. And how often is this training done?
14
15 BM: It's a lot more in the last few years than it was
16 traditionally.
17
18 TC: Uh-huh.
19
20 BM: Um, because we kind of revamped how we're doing it.
21
22 MP: Uh-huh.
23
24 BM: Um, and thank God we were -- we did it.
25
26 MP: Yeah.
27
28 BM: Um, even the equipment -- I mean, the training with
29 the equipment, the -- the combat gauzes, the chest
30 seals, the tourniquets. I mean, to do that training
31 and then -- voila.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 BM: My God, we're -- we're living it, you know. Um, our
36 our -- and our in-service training is annual. We
37 do
38
39 MP: Right.
40
41 BM: -- annual in-service training.
42
43 MP: Uh-huh.
44
45 BM: I want to say for the last two to three years we've
46 been continually building on that -- that program,
47 and response, and that's just to active shooter and,
48 uh, victims down, and using that equipment.
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2
3 BM: If you're hearing shots, you are going to those
4 shots, period.
5
6 MP: Okay.
7
8 BM: You are running. You get -- you need to eliminate
9 that threat. That threat needs to be taken out
10 immediately.
11
12 MP: Okay.
13
14 BM: If we have multiple personnel on scene, you know,
15 which is highly doubtful, because as soon as you
16 hear shots, you're going. Um, if there's multiple
17 personnel on scene and -- and you have time to
18 coordinate a hunter group to go eliminate the
19 threat, and then everyone else to -- to triage
20 victims, I mean, then you do that. But other than
21 that, you are just going to the shots.
22
23 MP: And I notice you said if you had time --
24
25 BM: If.
26
27 MP: -- to do that.
28
29 BM: Correct, 'cause you're just running. You're going
30 to the shooter. That you have to eliminate that
31 shooter, period.
32
33 TC: Do you know about how long it took for you guys to
34 get to all the floors? Do you have a -- I -- I know
35 probably
36
37 BM: We had a
38
39 TC: it felt forever.
40
41 BM: Felt like it took forever.
42
43 TC: Okay.
44
45 BM: I gotta be honest with you. Um, I know --
46
47 TC: Might there have been some radio transmissions?
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1 BM: Oh, I'm sure -- I'm sure there is.
2
3 TC: -- and stuff? Okay.
4
5 BM: I'm sure there is. Um, in -- I know that in my
6 mind, you know, coordinating the clear inside, you
7 know, communicating with Sergeant Mazzy, I wanted to
8 make sure we had the resources to get to the floors
9 we needed to do, um, because we weren't hearing
10 shots. We were clearing.
11
12 MP: Uh-huh.
13
14 TC: Uh-huh.
15
16 BM: You know? Um, if, uh -- I mean, now if -- if -- if
17 we heard shots on the third floor there would have
18 been 50 of us, you know, smashing into each other
19 running up there. But with no shots, I needed to
20 make sure we had the personnel, you know, that could
21 clear --
22
23 TC: Uh-huh.
24
25 BM: -- and pull victims and hunt a suspect and do all
26 that stuff. And I couldn't tell you a timeline.
27
28 TC: Sure.
29
30 BM: I know as guys were coming in, I was sending them up
31 stairwells.
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 BM: I -- I didn't want them -- I sent a couple guys up,
36 um, the stairwell to hold the stairwell at the
37 second floor, so no one could double-back on the
38 team on the second floor, but not crossing their
39 their line. We eventually sent them up to the third
40 floor landings. Um --
41
42 TC: So with the communication
43
44 BM: I couldn't give you --
45
46 TC: -- problems --
47
48 BM: -- a timeline. I'm sorry.
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2 married up with you guys, um, how -- did that
3 process -- did that go pretty well? Were you able
4 to get people organized --
5
6 BM: Yes.
7
8 TC: -- from other agencies?
9
10 BM: From my standpoint into the 1200, yes. And the
11 reason is, we just -- we did shoulder-to-shoulder
12 communication.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 BM: Because I wasn't worried about what was going on
17 outside. I was worried about inside. And even
18 even with clear radio communication, I'm doing
19 shoulder-to-shoulder.
20
21 TC: Uh-huh.
22
23 BM: We were -- we were communicating. You know, I'm
24 grabbing someone and saying, "Look, we're on this
25 floor, this floor, this floor. This is where we're
26 at. This is what we got. This is where we got
27 victims. We need to push up to here, clear this,
28 clear that."
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 BM: Um, so we were doing a lot of shoulder-to-shoulder.
33 So once, uh, BSO SWAT, um, one of their team
34 leaders, we were shoulder-to-shoulder. We
35 communicated. And once we -- once the third floor -
36 - it -- we were actually clearing the third floor
37 before we knew it.
38
39 TC: Okay.
40
41 BM: Um, and when I got up there, I mean, it was
42 (unintelligible) third floor. It was like, Okay,
43 we're -- we're -- we're in good shape. I hope that
44 answers your question.
45
46 TC: Yes, it does. And it does. Um, now, you talked
47 about the training that you did, tourniquet training
48 and stuff. Did the training you guys implement, did
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1 BM: Yes.
2
3 TC: Did -- did that training benefit the outcome?
4
5 BM: Yes. Yes.
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 BM: Yes. There's no doubt. Um, you know, just, um --
10 you know, the way officers were -- and I -- and I --
11 and I -- yeah, unfortunately, I don't remember every
12 victim that was carried out or ran out or, you know,
13 whatever. But I know that there -- there was
14 there's one specific victim, and I'm bringing --
15
16 TC: Uh-huh.
17
18 BM: -- it back around, why the training's so important
19 is, I believe she had a, uh, shot to the groin,
20 which you can't put a tourniquet on. You can't do
21 anything. And the officer, um, that picked her up
22 says, um, "I can't treat. I need to get her out,"
23 and picked her up and just ran her out. But the
24 recognition that "I can't do anything here" --
25
26 TC: Uh-huh.
27
28 BM: -- because that -- you know, you can't put
29 tourniquets. You can't put -- you know, you can
30 combat gauze, but "Let's go, get her out to the--"
31
32 TC: Uh-huh.
33
34 BM: And we had set up a triage city, so -- um, and then
35 to the training, um, once the shooting stops, though
36 -- you know, if we hear the shooting, we're running
37 to the shooter. Training stopped, or shoot
38 shooting stops, we're slowing down, and now we're
39 clearing to where we thought the last shots were.
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 BM: Um, and with that, you know, and no shots for a
44 while, okay, there's a lot of movement. Could there
45 be movement? Where could they be? And -- and
46 that's what we were running into here is that we
47 didn't hear a single shot. Um, if you ask me, you
48 know, before I made entry into that first floor, he
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1 MP: Right.
2
3 TC: And you said when you first entered, you could hear
4 a pin drop. So, it -- did it appear, from your
5 experience, that whatever training was given to
6 teachers, students, whatever, remain quiet or
7 (unintelligible), that appeared to have taken place?
8
9 BM: Yes. Um, there's -- there's -- there's no question
10 that they -- they had -- uh, from what, you know --
11 what I saw and witnessed, um, I mean, we're going
12 over to windows, looking in windows. You can see
13 kids huddled in the corner. You're telling them,
14 "Police, police," and no one's budging, which is a
15 good thing.
16
17 MP: Uh-huh.
18
19 BM: Um, so that's why we had to smash the windows. Once
20 we made entry, we -- you know, confirm with the
21 teacher, "All your students are present? Is anybody
22 injured?" If they were injured, 'cause we did find,
23 you know, injures -- injuries in the rooms. There
24 was also, you know, unfortunately, uh, deceased in
25 the rooms. Um, and we tried to act accordingly in
26 those rooms. That's why we started actually, um,
27 going back. It's why the one team started to push
28 the one class out, because there was deceased in
29 that room and I, like -- I -- I don't want to move
30 the deceased. Let me get these kids out of here, so
31 they, you know, don't have to sit in here with this.
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 BM: Um, yeah, it was a bad day at work. Terrible.
36
37 MP: Have you guys trained, Coral Springs -- have you
38 guys trained with other agencies, with, um, act
39 as far as active shooter incidents and how to
40 respond?
41
42 BM: I want to say yes. I want to say we've done some
43 training. Um, I know that, uh, Sergeant Kmiotek,
44 um, had worked out with Broward Sheriff's Office and
45 other agencies. Um, when we as a county started
46 making this transition with medical personnel coming
47 into more of a warm/hot zone --
48
49 MP: Uh-huh.
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1 BM: -- you know, with law enforcement behind to set up
2 triage areas. So there has been training. On the
3 mass scale with the entire agency? No. Um, but you
4 know, that -- that training has carried over into
5 our -- or our in-service. Um, we've trained with
6 our fire department.
7
8 MP: Uh-huh.
9
10 BM: Um, our in-service, we've done in-service where
11 we've specifically trained with our fire department,
12 you know, on what our field care triage can do to --
13 to then, you know, get victims to them in --
14
15 MP: Right.
16
17 BM: -- in case of an incident like this.
18
19 MP: What about the as far as the SWAT team, the Coral
20 Springs
21
22 BM: Yes.
23
24 MP: -- uh, SWAT team? Have you guys trained with other
25 SWAT teams --
26
27 BM: Yes.
28
29 MP: -- in the area?
30
31 BM: Yes.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 BM: Um, in fact, we train with Broward Sheriff's Office
36 full-time. We've trained with, uh, Margate, Coconut
37 Creek, um, Davie, Hollywood, Sunrise.
38
39 MP: Okay.
40
41 BM: Uh, in the -- in the SWAT world, we all communicate.
42 It's open communications. We train together. You
43 know, we try to get -- where we try to get us all on
44 the same page. That started years ago. We have,
45 uh, regular commanders meetings. You know, the SWAT
46 world's different, but --
47
48 TC: Right.
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1 BM: And then this wasn't a SWAT op. You know, none of
2 us were -- I didn't respond as a SWAT.
3
4 MP: Right.
5
6 BM: To -- I just --
7
8 MP: Yeah.
9
10 BM: It's an active shooter.
11
12 TC: Yeah.
13
14 MP: Right. Exactly. You just transition over into that
15 SWAT mode later.
16
17 BM: For the clear and everything --
18
19 MP: Yes, uh-huh.
20
21 BM: else, yeah.
22
23 MP: Got it. All right. Um, anything?
24
25 TC: (No audible response).
26
27 MP: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
28 that we have either failed to ask you or that you'd
29 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
30
31 BM: No, not that I can think of.
32
33 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
34 for your statement today?
35
36 BM: No, I have not.
37
38 MP: Has the information you provided during this
39 interview been the truth to the best of your
40 knowledge or recollection?
41
42 BM: Yes, it has.
43
44 MP: Okay. This interview is concluded at 11:45 a.m. on
45 Monday, May 14th, 2018.
46
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1 (INTERVIEW OF ERICK ZAMORA, #EI-26-0079, 05/16/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
7 LN SAS LUIS NEGRETE
8 EZ ERICK ZAMORA
9
10
11
12 RB: The date is May 16th, 2018. The time is approximately
13 1:40 p.m. I'm Inspector Randy Brown of the Office of
14 Executive Investigations. Also, present, at this
15 time, is SAS Luis Negrete. Location of this
16 interview is 2300 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach,
17 Florida. I will be questioning -- if you would,
18 state your name?
19
20 EZ: All right. Detective Erick Zamora.
21
22 RB: -- as a witness in an official FDLE investigation
23 case number EI-26-00679. Inspector Keith Riddick is
24 the inspector in charge of this investigation. On
25 February 25th, 2018 Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
26 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
27 shooting at Parkland. For the record, I would like
28 to clarify that this is a witness statement being
29 given by you as part of the investigation into the
30 law enforcement response to Marjory Stoneman Douglas
31 school shooting that occurred on February 14th, 2018.
32 You have been subpoenaed to be here today and are
33 being compelled to provide this statement. Do you
34 understand that?
35
36 EZ: Yes.
37
38 RB: Prior to beginning this interview you should be
39 aware of the following: this interview is being
40 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I'm
41 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
42 In a moment, I'll be taking a sworn statement from
43 you. You will be under oath. If you knowingly
44 provide false statements you can be criminally
45 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
46 items I've just informed you of?
47
48 EZ: Yes.
49
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1 or affirm the information you're about to give today
2 is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
3 truth, so help you God?
4
5 EZ: I do.
6
7 RB: Thank you. Please, state your full name and current
8 place of employment?
9
10 EZ: Um, Detective Erick Zamora, Z-A-M-0-R-A. I work for
11 the Broward County Sheriff's Office. I'm assigned to
12 the SWAT team as well as the VIPER unit.
13
14 RB: Okay. And how long have served at, uh, BSO?
15
16 EZ: Um, about 13 years. Uh -- yeah. About 13 years or
17 something like that.
18
19 RB: Okay. And how long have you been in law enforcement?
20
21 EZ: Uh, exactly 18 years.
22
23 RB: Okay.
24
25 EZ: Yeah.
26
27 RB: Um, I wanna take you back to February 14th of this
28 year. Um, how did you first hear about the shooting
29 at at Stoneman Douglas?
30
31 EZ: We were doing a training out there at the range at
32 Markham Park. Uh, we were about to go shooting. And
33 then a phone call came in. Um, Lieutenant, uh,
34 McCoy, who was my XO, executive officer for the
35 for the SWAT team, received a call, and then, um, he
36 just told us something happened at -- you know, at
37 the school. "There's a school shooting. Get your
38 stuff ready. Our training is canceled. Get your
39 stuff ready." Uh, we have to switch ammo because we
40 were doing the range ammo. So, it took us a little
41 bit of switch from range ammo to regular ammo. So,
42 we pretty much switched the ammo. Got in our
43 vehicles and we just -- we went Code 3 to, uh -- to
44 the school.
45
46 RB: Okay. Do you recall about how long it took you to
47 arrive at the school from when you, uh, left the
48 range?
49
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1 than that. I mean -- I mean -- I mean, you're in
2 South Florida traffic already.
3
4 LN: Yeah. Definitely.
5
6 RB: Right.
7
8 EZ: Yeah.
9
10 RB: Um, while you were in route, um, were you made aware
11 of any other information concerning the shooting,
12 whether it be via telephone or by, um --
13
14 LN: Radio.
15
16 RB: -- radio?
17
18 EZ: Um, I don't -- I don't -- I don't recall
19 (unintelligible) 'cause we were -- I mean, I was
20 trying to switch radios and all that out there. I
21 wasn't going to do that, but I was going code. But,
22 uh, we pretty much -- I think the text that we had
23 coming out -- came out that, uh, there was a
24 shooting and, uh, there was victims --
25
26 RB: Okay.
27
28 EZ: -- multiple victims at -- at that school. We didn't
29 know whether were children or adults. We just knew
30 there were victims.
31
32 RB: Did you get any information, um, concerning where on
33 campus the shooting had been taking place or
34 anything like that?
35
36 EZ: Not -- not -- not in route, no.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 EZ: They just said it was a school. And I don't know
41 where the school was because I'm not -- not familiar
42 with that area. I mean, I know where it's at, but,
43 you know, I'm not never --
44
45 LN: Yeah.
46
47 EZ: -- hung out I that area. So --
48
49 RB : Uh - huh .
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1 EZ: -- uh, we just pretty much knew -- we didn't know
2 where the shooter was on -- in route. I just -- I
3 don't remember.
4
5 RB: Okay. Um, once you arrived at the scene, do you
6 recall where you parked at?
7
8 EZ: Um, we parked just west -- I wanna say west of, uh,
9 the school, the building that's in question here,
10 where the -- where all the -- most of the shooting
11 happened.
12
13 RB: Okay.
14
15 EZ: Which is what is that? Fifteen --
16
17 LN: So, this is the 1200 Building here.
18
19 EZ: The 1200 Building, yes. And the
20
21 LN: Feel free to mark on the map --
22
23 EZ: okay. Yeah.
24
25 LN: too, just to direct us.
26
27 EZ: This is where the building is, right?
28
29 RB: Yes.
30
31 EZ: Where most of the shooting happened. And I wanna say
32 we got off on the -- the one you talking about,
33 Pines -- Pine Island Road, which --
34
35 RB: Uh-huh.
36
37 EZ: -- Coral Springs, whatever it's called. Uh, we got
38 off onto that. We went -- I think I went eastbound,
39 'cause I'm, uh I'm a little off right now.
40
41 RB: Uh-huh.
42
43 EZ: And we parked by the middle school. Do you know
44 where the middle school is?
45
46 LN: Okay. So, back here, that's
47
48 RB: Yeah. (unintelligible)
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2 EZ: Oh. Okay. So, what, the middle school is right here?
3
4 LN: Yes.
5
6 EZ: And then the field?
7
8 LN: Yes.
9
10 EZ: Okay. Well, we parked -- I parked -- I parked just
11 east -- I wanna say east of, uh -- this is east
12 right here.
13
14 LN: Uh-huh.
15
16 EZ: East of the middle school, 'cause I remember seeing
17 an empty field and I remember seeing this right
18 here.
19
20 LN: Okay.
21
22 RB: Okay.
23
24 EZ: The -- the football field, right?
25
26 LN: Yes.
27
28 EZ: Yeah. Where the track --
29
30 LN: Yeah.
31
32 EZ: -- so, I --
33
34 LN: That's where you parked, at the football field?
35
36 EZ: -- um, some - no. Somewhere --
37
38 LN: Okay.
39
40 EZ: -- parked around here somewhere.
41
42 LN: Okay. Perfect.
43
44 EZ: Yeah. So, I wanna say my vehicle was parked here
45 somewhere.
46
47 LN: Okay.
48
49 RB: Okay.
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1 EZ: What I -- all along other vehicles that were there.
2
3 LN: Uh-huh.
4
5 EZ: So, I just found a space to park.
6
7 RB: And then once you parked, uh, you according to
8 your report you made your way to the -- to the 1200
9 Building?
10
11 EZ: Yes.
12
13 RB: Um, did you -- when you parked encounter any other
14 law enforcement
15
16 EZ: Yes.
17
18 RB: officers, deputies, anything like that?
19
20 EZ: To be honest with you, man, there were frickin'
21 there were officers and deputies, they were
22 everywhere. So, it's not -- you know, I couldn't
23 just point out who -- who was there.
24
25 RB: Right.
26
27 EZ: But there were -- there were people everywhere.
28
29 LN: What's your understanding of the situation when you
30 arrived, that the shooter was still there?
31
32 EZ: As far as we knew.
33
34 LN: Okay.
35
36 EZ: Because what happened -- you know, we have to get --
37 I had to get my gear on and get my rifle and all
38 that, 'cause my rifle wasn't -- you know, it was in
39 the lock box. So -- and then, you know, everybody
40 started shouting orders, you know, get -- make sure
41 you get, uh, breaching tools. Make sure you get your
42 gas mask. Make sure you get this. Make sure you get
43 that, you know. Just, you know -- and then stand by.
44 'Cause we didn't know where the shooter -- at that
45 time I didn't know where the shooter was and because
46 they -- and then we finally got on the radio and
47 there was -- it's communication everywhere, man. We
48 couldn't even get on the radios, to be honest with
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1 RB: Were the - were the radios working properly?
2
3 EZ: Well, there was --
4
5 RB: I mean, were you able to hear anything or get
6 anything out?
7
8 EZ: We could hear from other departments that the
9 shooter was here or the shooter was there. Be
10 careful of that building here, which is the 1200
11 Building.
12
13 LN: Uh-huh.
14
15 EZ: Because there was shots. You could see them from the
16 -- from our -- from our point of view.
17
18 RB: Uh-huh.
19
20 EZ: From where I was you could see shots and we didn't
21 know whether the shooter was inside shooting at us
22 or whatever. But we were, like, "All right. Let's
23 get on the -- on the BearCat and then just find, you
24 know, where this guy is."
25
26 LN: Okay. When you say you heard from other agencies,
27 you mean the radios from other agencies
28
29 EZ: Not radios --
30
31 LN: overheard?
32
33 EZ: but I just
34
35 LN: Oh. (unintelligible) communicating
36
37 EZ: -- uh, officers telling us --
38
39 LN: Okay.
40
41 EZ: -- because I'm -- I'm telling you, our radio just --
42 I mean, we didn't even try -- after a few minutes we
43 didn't even try -- try -- try to get on the radio.
44 Our team leader is trying to tell us, you know,
45 stuff on the radio and we're like, "Dude, we can't
46 hear you." I mean, it just -- it -- it's --
47
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2
3 EZ: Dude, I didn't -- I don't know if it was a lot of
4 traffic on the radio or they just radio just --
5 it was just overwhelming.
6
7 RB: Okay.
8
9 EZ: That's why we finally figured out the -- the radios
10 were just overwhelmed, you know. Too much
11 communication.
12
13 RB: Okay.
14
15 EZ: Too much traffic.
16
17 RB: So, um, when you were on scene did you ever hear any
18 gun shots?
19
20 EZ: No. Not I. Not at all.
21
22 RB: Okay. So, you got in the BearCat?
23
24 EZ: We got in the BearCat and then we started moving
25 towards, I think, it was the stadium -- I'm sorry
26 auditorium, here.
27
28 RB: Uh-huh.
29
30 EZ: Um -- um, I think it was around here somewhere. But
31 anyway, we got on it and I remember saying that,
32 "Wait a minute. Hold on. At the building where the
33 guy is is that way." And I was on the left side of
34 the BearCat. I was like, "Okay. We gotta get off
35 because if he's shooting at us we're in the line of
36 fire." So, we got off the BearCat, I did, and few
37 guys that were on the outside of the BearCat, which
38 is the driver's side, 'cause we were facing the
39 building where the -- where everything happened. I
40 was like, "Okay. We gotta get off this frickin'
41 BearCat 'cause we' re in the line of fire."
42
43 RB: Uh-huh.
44
45 EZ: So, we got off the BearCat. Then -- then they got
46 everyone off the BearCat, then I hear -- then when I
47 was -- I don't know what officer it was or from
48 where saying that the guy was still in that
49 building. They - they kept saying that. I don't
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1 don't know how long it was, they were like, "Okay.
2 The guy is no longer there because we figured out
3 that the video feed from the school was at a 19-
4 minute or a 20-minute, uh -- what do you call that?
5 Uh --
6
7 RB: Delay?
8
9 EZ: -- delay, yes. And that's like, "Oh. Let's go to the
10 building."
11
12 LN: Okay.
13
14 EZ: So, that's what we did. I said, "Okay. Get your team
15 together." So, we got, uh, half of a team going
16 towards the building where there were two bodies and
17 then the other half went to the other side of the
18 building, I believe, which is --
19
20 LN: Take us through all that little --
21
22 EZ: Okay. So, anyway, we -- I believe we parked here.
23 All right. And -- I mean, I'm sorry. This is the
24 building right here, right?
25
26 LN : Uh - huh .
27
28 EZ: I believe we parked --
29
30 RB: Uh-uh. This is the auditorium you were talking
31 about.
32
33 EZ: -- oh. This is the auditorium.
34
35 LN: Uh-huh.
36
37 EZ: So, what happened -- there you go. This is the
38 auditorium here, so what happened, we -- we
39 dismounted and we got a team together because there
40 was a bunch of trees here and they said, "Okay. We
41 gonna hit that building because that's where
42 everything happened. 'Cause we
43
44 LN: Do you know who was with you?
45
46 EZ: Uh, a bunch -- my team leader was one of them. It
47 was Rotella, as a matter of fact. He's coming in
48 later on. Uh -- and I remember listening to Sergeant
49 Hickox (phon.etic) as well. And he was saying, "Get a
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1 Rivera, "Get a team together. That's the building
2 where everything happened. That's where the guy is
3 supposed to be."
4
5 LN: Okay.
6
7 EZ: So, we're like, "Okay." So, we go on over there. So,
8 we got a team together. I don't know how many of us
9 got together, then we started moving towards the
10 building. There was a building. That's where we
11 encountered the two bodies that were right at the
12 entrance of the first floor.
13
14 LN : Uh - huh .
15
16 EZ: So -- and
17
18 LN: Once you went inside the building?
19
20 EZ: One we went inside the building we started on the
21 second floor, I think. Second? I don't remember
22 which floor we started. We just went up to the
23 second floor. Um, we just encountered a bunch of
24 you know, a bunch of officers. I could tell 'cause
25 they're a different uniform. Uh, some of them went
26 by the stairs. We finally made it to the second
27 floor and there were a bunch of officers standing by
28 the door or was standing -- I'm sorry -- by the
29 entrance of the -- you know, by the --
30
31 LN: Uh-huh.
32
33 EZ: -- entrance of the stairs. That's when, uh, Sergeant
34 Rotella kept saying, "You know what, we need to
35 check these doors. Let's start." You know, we
36 couldn't get in because they were all locked.
37
38 LN: Yeah.
39
40 EZ: So, that's when we started breaching all the doors,
41 man, and there -- I don't remember, a body of a
42 teacher just west of where we were. Um, there was
43 another body, a kid, which was right next to where
44 the window that I told you that had shots.
45
46 LN: Uh-huh.
47
48 EZ: There was a body there. Um -- yeah. There was a body
49 there with -- with the -- you know, with the shots
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1 hand side, another kid, and then there was another
2 body lies sole right at the end. Then he's like
3 [sound effect} "All right. Everybody calm down."
4 'Cause everybody started shouting orders, you know,
5 you might say. "Everybody calm down." And he goes,
6 "Start breaching all these doors, cause we gotta
7 check and make sure that, not only that the guy was
8 there" -- that's what I thought anyway. And make --
9 we ~- we gotta get these kids out of here, you know
10 what I mean. So, that's we started to do, we just
11 started breaching all the doors. You know, including
12 every room that we could find. We -- we went from
13 that floor and we went to the second floor. Came
14 down, again. And then we went to the first floor.
15 Then we pretty much started doing all that breaching
16 and frickin' getting all the kids out of there.
17 Trying to keep them calm because they were looking
18 at dead bodies, you know what I mean.
19
20 LN: Uh-huh.
21
22 EZ: So, that's about it. I mean, then after we left
23 there we went to the other building, which is, uh
24 which is, uh -- I believe it's this building here,
25 which is right next to a corridor.
26
27 LN: Well, I saw on the map that's Building 9?
28
29 RB: There's, um
30
31 EZ: You know
32
33 RB: Building 700 here.
34
35 EZ: that's
36
37 RB: 800 here.
38
39 EZ: -- it might be. I don't know which. There's a
40 corridor here somewhere.
41
42 LN: Or 600 there.
43
44 RB: There's one right here there's, uh -- a hall that
45 runs right here and another one that runs right
46 here.
47
48 EZ: Yeah. What is that? I know I was up the stairs and
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1 man.
2
3 RB: Okay.
4
5 EZ: And teachers and kids. And then we just started
6 breaching the whole building.
7
8 RB: Okay.
9
10 EZ: I believe other departments already cleared it. I'm
11 not sure. But there was still kids and teachers in
12 there. So, we started using (unintelligible) and I
13 don't know what else.
14
15 RB: And according to your report you basically just
16 continued to clear rooms --
17
18 EZ: Yeah. We --
19
20 RB: -- between the 500 and 700 Building --
21
22 EZ: Yeah.
23
24 RB: until you were sent to debrief?
25
26 EZ: Yeah. Afterwards - after everything was done, when
27 everything calmed down and, uh, you know -- and we
28 pretty much got all the kids out of every single
29 room. We double-checked those rooms. We triple-
30 checked them to make sure there was no one else
31 hiding, 'cause you know how kids get scared.
32
33 RB: Yeah.
34
35 EZ: And after that we just, you know -- everybody calmed
36 down. Double-check, triple-check, double-check,
37 triple-check on down and they were like, "Okay,
38 guys. We believe, uh, we got the guy." 'Cause.I
39 remember somebody called it out saying that they got
40 the shooter. So, the shooter was already, you know,
41 in custody. And they say, "All right. Calm down."
42 And then we did the debrief.
43
44 RB: Okay. At any point while you were around campus, did
45 you have any interaction with Deputy Scot Peterson?
46
47 EZ: No, I did not.
48
49 RB: Okay. Um, let me just review the rest of these here
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1 being, uh -- a SWAT guy --
2
3 EZ: Yeah.
4
5 RB: -- but, um, .when I ask these questions if you would
6 make it kind of a two-part answer where as it
7 applies to you personally, but then, also, if you
8 know how it applies to just a regular deputy --
9
10 EZ: Uh-huh.
11
12 RB: -- um, 'cause this is training-related questions.
13
14 EZ: Okay.
15
16 RB: So, that you're probably gonna have a little more
17 extensive training in this. But, um, does your
18 agency have an active shooter policy?
19
20 EZ: Yes, they do.
21
22 RB: Um, does your agency train in active shooter
23 response?
24
25 EZ: We do.
26
27 LN: As a SWAT?
28
29 EZ: As a SWAT, yeah. We do training, uh -- you know,
30 (unintelligible) training on the road before with,
31 uh -- as far as active shooter.
32
33 RB: Okay.
34
35 EZ: I had in the past.
36
37 RB: Um, this is kind of the two-part --
38
39 EZ: Uh-huh.
40
41 RB: -- um, you, as SWAT, how often do you train? And
42 then if you as far as the road goes, or --
43
44 EZ: Uh-huh.
45
46 RB: -- you know, just deputies, do you know how often
47 training is offered to them as far as, um, active
48 shooters?
49
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1 SWAT I can't -- I can't -- I mean, I don't remember
2 when's the last time we did it. We do hostage a lot.
3
4 RB: Uh-huh.
5
6 EZ: So, you know, we -- we just pretty much do hostage
7 rescue, which is -- I mean, it's pretty much the
8 same thing, you know what I mean. We do a lot of
9 hostage rescue.
10
11 RB: Okay. Um, do you remember the last time you
12 participated in some kind of active shooter related
13 training?
14
15 EZ: Um -- well, hostage rescue is the only one I can
16 come up with.
17
18 RB: Okay.
19
20 EZ: And that's -- we did that, um, a month ago, I think.
21 I'm not even sure.
22
23 RB: Okay.
24
25 EZ: We do it -- I mean, like I say, we do it most of the
26 time. A lot. So, yeah. Uh, the SWAT team.
27
28 RB: When you participate in the training, what does the
29 training instruct you to do in an active shooter
30 situation when you arrive on scene?
31
32 EZ: When arrive on scene is, uh, go to where the shots
33 are fired. I mean, that's pretty much -- well, we,
34 SWAT, that's how we train.
35
36 RB: Does it matter whether, um, when you arrive on scene
37 -if you're the first guy there and by yourself, or if
38 you arrive with a group of guys? Um, does the --
39 does the training differentiate between that as far
40 as -- or is it still ultimately "go"?
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42 EZ: This is gonna be a question where you're asking me -
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45 LN: Yep.
46
47 EZ: -- um, I would say -- I mean, I would say I would go
48 no matter if it's one guy or is a bunch of guys, you
49 know what I mean. I just -- you know what I mean, as
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1 how we do it. We go for, you know -- we go. 'Cause I
2 mean, we go. That's how we train. We -- we go where
3 the shots are going. You know, coming from. So.
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5 RB: And that doesn't matter whether you have your team
6 in place or whether it's you by yourself, you go?
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8 EZ: As as far as I can tell, no, doesn't matter.
9
10 RB: Okay.
11
12 EZ: But just my opinion anyway. I know -- this is how we
13 train. I mean, this is how the SWAT team trains.
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15 LN: Yeah.
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17 RB: Okay.
18
19 EZ: So.
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21 LN: Yeah. But -- and you're not aware -- not aware of
22 how a regular deputy is trained to do it?
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24 EZ: I can't -- I can't -- I -- I would be telling you a
25 lie if I tell you how to do it --
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27 LN: Not a problem.
28
29 EZ: -- 'cause I'm just not --
30
31 LN: All right.
32
33 EZ: -- you know.
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35 RB: Okay. Anything else?
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37 LN: No.
38
39 RB: Okay. In regards to this investigation is there
40 anything that either I failed to ask or anything
41 that you would like to add or clarify in your
42 statement today?
43
44 EZ: No.
45
46 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
47 providing this statement today?
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49 EZ: No.
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2 interview been the truth, to the best of your
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5 EZ: Yes.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF CAPTAIN GEORGE SOBERON, EI-26-0079,
2 08/30/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
8 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
9 GS CAPTAIN GEORGE SOBERON
10
11 TC: All right. The date is Thursday, August 30th, 2018.
12 The time is approximately 10:50 a.m. I'm Inspector
13 Troy Cope of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 And also present at this time is Inspector Meschelle
15 Pittman. The location of this interview is the Coral
16 Springs Police Department headquarters. I will be
17 questioning, uh, Captain George Soberon as a witness
18 in an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-
19 26-0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is the inspector in
20 charge of this investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
26 being given by you as part of the investigation into
27 the law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
28 Douglas School shooting that occurred on February
29 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
30 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
31 Do you understand?
32
33 GS: Yes.
34
35 TC: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
36 aware of the following. This interview is being
37 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer I am
38 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
39 In a moment I'll be taking a sworn statement from
40 you. You'll be under oath, and if you knowingly
41 provide false statements, you can be criminally
42 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
43 items I've just informed you of?
44
45 GS: I do.
46
47 TC: Please raise your right hand. Let the record
48 reflect he's raised his right hand. Do you solemnly
49 swear or affirm that the information you're about to
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1 nothing but the truth, so help you God?
2
3 GS: I do.
4
5 TC: Okay. Please state your full name for the record.
6
7 GS: Oh, George Soberon.
8
9 TC: All right. And your current place of employment?
10
11 GS: Coral Springs Police Department.
12
13 TC: And what, uh -- and how long have you been with
14 Coral Springs?
15
16 GS: Oh, 24 years.
17
18 TC: Okay. And what's your current position?
19
20 GS: Current position is the Captain in charge of the
21 Community Services component.
22
23 TC: Okay. And, um, other positions you've held with
24 Coral Springs Police Department?
25
26 GS: Oh, I've worked as a Road Patrol Officer. I worked
27 for five years in our Street Crimes Unit, which was
28 called the Tactical Gang Unit at the time. I was a
29 General Investigations detective for about two
30 years. A Road Patrol Sergeant, Sergeant of our
31 Bicycle and Street Intelligence Unit, which was
32 called Sub-Stations back in the day, Patrol
33 Lieutenant, Captain in charge of -- of Patrol,
34 Captain in charge of Special Operations and now
35 Captain of Community Services component.
36
37 TC: And
38
39 MP: And what do you -- what does that position entail,
40 your current position?
41
42 GS: Community Services component is basically our
43 support division and that includes all our schools,
44 which is all SROs, uh, anything to do with the
45 schools, all our -- I'm in charge of training. I'm
46 in charge of our fleet facilities. Oh, I'm in
47 charge of our Records Department, in charge of
48 Emergency Management and I'm in charge of Community
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1 MP: Okay.
2
3 GS: And just to add, I've also, uh, served 17 years on
4 SWAT. Uh, I left SWAT in 2012. I was a team leader
5 -- sniper team leader and an entrance team leader.
6
7 MP: Okay. Um, on February 14th, 2018 the day of the, uh,
8 shooting, how did you become aware of it?
9
10 GS: I was in my office, uh, on the third floor. Uh, I
11 was actually talking to Sergeant Kmiotek and I heard
12 someone say there's a shooting at Douglas and, uh
13 just outside my office. And, you know, you heard
14 the radio and I heard, uh, uh, Sergeant Reid
15 clarifying on the radio, "Hey, is there a shooting
16 at Douglas?" And Dispatch said yes. So, we all
17 went flying out of the building.
18
19 MP: Okay. And, so you and how many other officers left
20 at the same time? You -- you all left at -- same
21 time or just --
22
23 GS: It -- it -- it was a lot of people leaving. Uh --
24
25 MP: Okay. So, you all left and responded to
26
27 GS: All of us in our office left. There was people
28 flying from different offices leaving. When I got
29 down to the bottom on -- on the ground floor, uh --
30 and I don't remember where I saw the chief and, uh,
31 Deputy Chief, uh, Chief -- uh, Deputy -- at the time
32 -- Deputy Chief Parry -
33
34 MP: Uh-huh.
35
36 GS: -- and Deputy Chief Backer somewhere around there,
37 but we ended up down at the bottom at the same time,
38 we all got in the same car.
39
40 MP: Okay. So, you and Deputy Chief Parry --
41
42 GS: And Deputy Chief Backer.
43
44 MP: -- rode together to the school?
45
46 GS: Rode together.
47
48 MP: And do you recall around what time that was?
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1 from that radio call of Sergeant Reid, it was, I
2 mean quickly right after that and I know we -- we
3 made it there to the school very quickly as -- when
4 we left there was just a parade of cars. And I -- I
5 remember this. One of our Humane officers blocked
6 Coral Springs and Sample. She heard the call on the
7 radio and actually stopped traffic knowing that we'd
8 be flying up Coral Springs which is Pine Island.
9
10 MP: Uh-huh.
11
12 GS: So, we flew up that way and, uh, we got there, uh,
13 fairly quickly. I don't know if entry had been made
14 yet. I don't think so, but I couldn't tell you for
15 sure.
16
17 MP: Okay. And if you will on this map here, kinda show
18 us which way you came in and where you parked here
19 once you arrived at the school.
20
21 GS: We came northbound on Coral Springs Drive, which is
22 Pine Island.
23
24 MP: Uh-huh.
25
26 GS: And it's hard to see here, but at the intersection
27 of the bus loop, uh, we pulled off just short of
28 that on the right side.
29
30 MP: You can put an X there, uh-huh.
31
32 GS: So, we --
33
34 MP: In that spot.
35
36 GS: we're -- yeah, the car was basically pulled off
37 over here.
38
39 MP: Okay.
40
41 GS: And I basically set myself up here at that
42 intersection.
43
44 MP: You can go ahead and put an "X" there.
45
46 GS: Uh-huh.
47
48 MP: Okay. So, and again I'm just gonna ask do you
49 recall around what time you arrived at the school?
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1 GS: I don't remember exactly what time.
2
3 MP: Okay.
4
5 GS: I'd have to look. But
6
7 MP: Do you recall what you were hearing on the radio in
8 route to the school?
9
10 GS: Yes. I -- we heard, um, um -- wait for me down at
11 the end of the block. Timmy Burton saying he was
12 arriving at the school, giving the information about
13 what building. Um, just hearing other people
14 arriving, um, I mean I -- I heard the Dispatch when
15 that was initially saying that, yes, there is a
16 shooting, we heard shots in the background. Uh --
17
18 MP: So, did you actually hear the shots?
19
20 GS: When I -- at that moment, no. He relayed that he
21 heard -- I never heard shots there, but Dispatch
22 relayed that on the calls that they got they could
23 heard shots in the background.
24
25 MP: Okay. But did you ever hear any shots?
26
27 GS: I never heard any shots.
28
29 MP: Okay, all right. Okay. So, you guys arrive here.
30 Then what?
31
32 GS: Uh, my thought process is -- as I said I'm in charge
33 of schools then, uh -- when we have an incident in a
34 school my thought process is first thing is to set
35 up a command post. This is not our scene, but my
36 first thought was let me find the command post and
37 let's see what we gotta do. Uh, could not find a
38 command post. I've asked for one on the radio. Uh,
39 you know, I saw a BSO lieutenant, asked where his
40 command post was. He said he did not know. So, I
41 took a -- I took it in my mind, says all right, well
42 we need to start doing something of that. So, I
43 just started working operations here, making sure
44 this was clear. Anybody that was coming up, I would
45 send 'em -- and I'm listening -- see, we work a lot
46 together. I know Captain Mock and Captain McKeone,
47 worked for 'em a long time, uh, together in SWAT. I
48 know what they're doing. I can hear what they're
49 doing without even asking them. I understand --
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1 doing. I hear what they're calling for. I --
2
3 MP: This is the SWAT team that you're referring to?
4
5 GS: No, Captain -- remember our SWAT team's part-time.
6 So, Captain Mock is our Criminal Investigations, uh,
7 captain at the time.
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 GS: He's now Special Operations. And at the time
12 Captain McKeone was in charge, uh -- where was he at
13 the time? He was in -- he was down in, uh -- let me
14 think, back in March, so that was the change. He
15 was back in Patrol. So
16
17 MP: And -- and just for the record you say you -- you
18 heard what they were doing, but what were they
19 doing?
20
21 GS: Well, they they -- trying to get information. I
22 hear officers and I see -- I see bullet holes in the
23 third window. Uh, I --
24
25 MP: This is the information they were relaying over the
26 radio?
27
28 GS: They were relaying over the radios.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 GS: So, all on our radio. Don't know what was on BSO's
33 radio 'cause we -- we didn't hear it.
34
35 MP: So, you refer to Parkland's -- I meant Coral Springs
36 main channel?
37
38 GS: Coral Springs main.
39
40 MP: Okay.
41
42 GS: Right.
43
44 MP: Got it.
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46 GS: So, when I hear the folks and again I know the
47 folks, I know what they're doing, uh, I got people
48 coming up this way. I know -- there's officers
49 stacking here also. So, any SWAT guys we're sending
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1 point, Captain Mock says -- and this is a little bit
2 later. He says, "I got enough people, uh, but send
3 all SWAT here." You know, basically if someone saw
4 me, 'cause you look like a traffic cop in the
5 intersection just, you know, doing -- doing the
6 thing Uh, initially, and I'm probably going
7 (unintelligible), as I'm trying to find the command
8 post, find out what's going on, they started going
9 in and they started bringing patients out. So, and
10 that doesn't look like here on the map. But
11 wherever that fence was, uh, where there were people
12 out in the -- in the extraction
13
14 MP: Okay. So, I think there's a -- a bike, um --
15
16 GS: Yeah.
17
18 MP: -- rack here.
19
20 GS: Right.
21
22 MP: And there was a gate here?
23
24 GS: Right. So, you have -- you still have parents lined
25 up here.
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 GS: I'm trying to get guys to the school. I'm not gonna
30 say, "Hey, move the parents." I walked down; I turn
31 all the parents around. I have an officer that had
32 already cleared that way. Don't remember who it
33 was. And I sent the parents out, to clear out. I
34 walked over there, see -- see what -- how they're
35 doing over there to see if maybe there's a command
36 post there. I didn't see that. So, again I walked
37 back here and continued the operations here. Uh,
38 eventually, uh, Deputy Chief, uh, Backer and -- and
39 Parry also joined me. Uh, they had gone up to the
40 building initially, uh, and we started doing basic
41 command post operations. Called our command post,
42 uh, SERT shows up, I tell 'em I need to get water.
43
44 One of the first things I did do when I got there, I
45 said this is very broad, I need -- I need mobility.
46 I can't be walking down, moving -- so, I called, uh,
47 range and our Range Master's a reserve officer. We
48 keep a four-seat ATV there. It's a -- a tactical
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1 MP: Uh-huh.
2
3 GS: I said, "Bob, come on out."
4
5 MP: Yeah.
6
7 GS: And with that I shuttle people, water. Once the
8 command post came and we had maps of the school,
9 'cause we keep the database in our command post and
10 we can print it up, we would -- we would send that
11 out.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 GS: Uh, and we tried the best we could to track where
16 everybody was, but, you know, it -- it was tough
17 'cause, you know, initially nobody knows what
18 building they're at.
19
20 MP: Right.
21
22 GS: So, it was kinda tough to track where they're at.
23
24 MP: Where did you guys end up setting up the command
25 post?
26
27 GS: Here in this general area. So, just short of this
28 turnoff, so right about here and, you know, if you
29 look on the road -- I wish you had a digital, uh,
30 overhead view, it would be easier to show. But,
31 there's a median just short of this intersection.
32 Our command post was on -- and I'm talking about
33 Coral Springs command post 'cause that was --
34 initially there. That's on the west side of the
35 median and eventually BSO's comes up and they said -
36
37
38 MP: Was it near the, uh, Sawgrass Expressway?
39
40 GS: Yeah. Just north of the Sawgrass --
41
42 MP: The, uh --
43
44 GS: -- Expressway.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 GS: So, I'm gonna write over the car, but both command
49 posts end up, you know, next to each other there.
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1 MP: Okay.
2
3 GS: So, uh -- and, you know, when -- you know, we just
4 ran it from there basically. And, uh, you know,
5 Chief Pustizzi also was there, uh, fairly early and,
6 you know, we kept working it.
7
8 MP: Okay. You have anything Troy?
9
10 TC: Uh, and, uh -- and so at any time during the course
11 of the response did you go over towards the 1200
12 building or have any interaction over there?
13
14 GS: Just when I walked out, uh, at the casualty
15 collection -- when I walked up to the casualty
16 collection point. So, basically as far as I got, I
17 don't know. What is that, 50 yards?
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 TC: Okay. So, uh, still on the perimeter where the
22 parking lot area is and
23
24 GS: I never went on to, uh, beyond the fence of -- of,
25 uh, the school itself.
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 MP: Okay. So, in the Command Center, I guess once you
30 guys got it settled, you were still receiving radio
31 communication regarding --
32
33 GS: I --
34
35 MP: -- the suspect?
36
37 GS: Yes. I never lost radio communication.
38
39 MP: Okay. Uh, as far as your knowledge or as far as
40 you're aware were there any communications issues at
41 all with the radios?
42
43 GS: Not -- not with our radios. I -- I -- I -- after --
44 after I join the -- if -- if you listen to the tape
45 I'm saying, "We need to patch, we need to patch."
46 And you hear me say, "We're basically running two
47 operations until we patch. We need to be able to
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2 GS: Uh, but I mean the real communication we weren't on
3 the same, uh, channel.
4
5 MP: Okay.
6
7 GS: Uh, so -- but, our radio never went down. Uh, I
8 know they eventuctlly patched and we could hear
9 other. But --
10
11 MP: Okay. And so you -- when -- I guess you were able
12 to get information regarding, uh, the description of
13 the suspect, that kinda -- did you ever receive that
14 over the radio?
15
16 GS: Yeah.
17
18 MP: Okay. And any --
19
20 GS: It was -- yeah, the -- the whole, uh -- yeah, you
21 know I'm not going into all those other things, but
22 yeah, uh, ROTC uniform with burgundy shirt, white
23 male, about that, yeah --
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 GS: -- all that came out early.
28
29 MP: Now what about, um, whether or not he -- once he had
30 left the building was that information coming across
31 as well?
32
33 GS: That came out --
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 GS: -- once, uh -- you know, when our guys entered, you
38 know, they were dealing with, uh -- with the
39 victims. There was no shots or anything. And I
40 think we weren't able to confirm that the guy left
41 until somebody looked at the videotape and they came
42 over the radio. And initially they thought it was
43 happening now, but, you know, the sergeant who was
44 there who was one ~f the team leaders, Sergeant
45 (Unintelligible) goes, "We're on that floor. There
46 is no person here."
47
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1 says, "Oh, now we realize he ran out 20 minutes
2 before."
3
4 MP: Okay. So, it was a delayed feed. Okay, all right.
5
6 GS: Right.
7
8 MP: All right. And, uh -- you have anything?
9
10 TC: (No audible response).
11
12 MP: No? Okay. Uh, so you did hear over the radio where
13 he had left the building and stuff? Now, could you
14 hear the SWAT command -- well, I'm not sure if they
15 were using the same system or if they were on
16 another one -- another channel?
17
18 GS: No, no. They were -- everybody was on main. Uh, I
19 listened -- um, again, I know how -- how Captain
20 Mock works and I know -- you know, listening to the
21 people's response, I know how many people went up
22 that way and I know how many people came -- you
23 know, the amount of people that came my way and the
24 assets we sent there. I -- I -- we had enough
25 assets at the 12 building. And, you know, it's just
26 a matter of -- it's moving and clearing.
27
28 MP: Okay.
29
30 GS: Uh, the -- I don't remember if I called him on the
31 phone. I did a lot of phone calls so we wouldn't
32 tie up the radio. I only got on the radio if I
33 thought something -- really needed to be said
34 because when the guys are running the tactics and
35 basically they're running, uh, the tactical command
36 up there, uh, I've been there. You don't need the -
37 - the gibber jabber. So, uh, you know, I did a lot
38 of straight commands, straight to people, you do
39 this, you do that, uh, wave people down and did
40 that. Uh, you know, the old -- the old-fashion way.
41 So, uh, yeah, I don't -- I don't know exactly what
42 they were doing, but I know what -- I've trained
43 with them. I know what we're going to do.
44
45 MP: Okay. And you felt that there was adequate
46 personnel on -- on scene doing -- everybody was
47 doing what they needed to do? Did you feel like
48 there was a shortage in a certain area far as, uh,
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1 GS: No.
2
3 MP: -- officers on the street?
4
5 GS: No. The -- medical staffing was -- was -- was
6 stacked up. I mean, listen, you -- you always want
7 more. You don't know if there was a second shooter.
8 You didn't know what yo~'re involved with. I -- I -
9 - I mean, heck, if -- if there was a second shooter
10 and the casualty collection point is right where it
11 was, it's a bad place the casualty collection point.
12 Our command post is in -- it's still within eyeshot
13 of the place. This is, you know -- when it comes to
14 these things you
15
16 MP: Yeah, everything is fluent.
17
18 GS: -- you adapt.
19
20 MP: Yeah, so.
21
22 GS: You adapt real -- I will -- I will tell you our guys
23 are -- are -- 'cause, you know, I'm in charge of
24 training. I see the training. Our guys are -- are
25 well-trained with, uh --
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 GS: -- with, uh, their -- their casualty kits. Uh, we
30 learn lessons from our mall shooting and we had a
31 gun incident at one of our high schools. And one of
32 the lessons we learned is we got sucked in,
33 including me. And, uh, you can't get sucked in.
34 You need to set up command posts; you need to do
35 those things.
36
37 MP: Got you. We'll -- we'll get back to that in just a
38 second. Okay? Um, so you never went to building
39 1200? You never entered 1200? You never saw it?
40
41 GS: No.
42
43 MP: Okay, all right. Um --
44
45 GS: I mean I could see it, but I never -- I never --
46
47 MP: Yeah.
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2 outside or around the building?
3
4 GS: Oh, yeah. I was -- I was watching people extract
5 people out of building 12 when I walked up there and
6
7
8 MP: Do you recall what law enforcement agencies you saw
9 represented?
10
11 GS: You know, uh, I mean, I know I saw us, BSO. I don't
12 know if I saw, uh, anybody else. And, you know,
13 some people are in civilian clothes with a vest on.
14 I mean, they --
15
16 MP: Yeah.
17
18 GS: you know it's all hands on deck. So --
19
20 MP: Do you recall seeing, uh, BSO Deputy Scot, uh,
21 Peterson at any point?
22
23 GS: I never saw him, no.
24
25 MP: Okay. Uh, was your Command Center a joint Command
26 Center? Did you guys connect with another Command
27 Center?
28
29 GS: Well, yeah. Once BSO got there they pulled up to
30 command post and yeah, we -- we got together and
31 basically for all intents and purposes toid them
32 what -- what we had done and -- and passed it off.
33
34 MP: Okay. Other than BSO, who else were there with --
35 in the Command Center that you can recall -- that
36 you can recall?
37
38 GS: Oh, I don't know. There's -- there's all kinds of -
39 - of BSO brass. I saw other -- I don't remember,
40 but I remember seeing, you know, Command staff from
41 neighboring departments, politicians, uh, you know,
42 later down the line the governor. I mean, just
43 about anybody --
44
45 MP: Okay, okay. What, uh, specifically was your
46 assignment if you had one in the Command Center?
47
48 GS: Um, my -- my assignment is what basically what
49 like I said before. My -- my role in a school
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1 command post and get it functioning. Once a higher
2 command officer comes and takes over the command
3 post then whatever needs to be done. Basically, you
4 know, I remember if it was my school, I am the
5 conduit to -- uh, to my sergeants who will be in the
6 talk with the principals and the other guys and --
7 and doing all that. And, I'm the one familiar with
8 the schools and the people and stuff like that too.
9 So, being this is a mutual aid, it's kind of a
10 uh, you know, um, basically I had to be a jack of
11 all trades in this and whatever we need, to send out
12 maps, uh, carrying people. What else do we need?
13 Uh, I mean that's basic -- that's basically it and I
14 -- if it was my thing, yes, I'd be more drawn out
15 and the whole thing.
16
17 MP: Well, what the -- who was actually in charge of your
18 Command Center?
19
20 GS: Uh, well, it -- eventually the chief. I mean --
21
22 MP: Okay.
23
24 GS: -- so, me establishing, uh, um, the -- the two DCs
25 came and then we started working together and the
2,6 chief I think finally the chief called it -- it's
27 gonna be here.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 GS: Even though the fact that we were already doing it,
32 uh, did we plant the flag initially, probably not.
33 You know, still wondering if there is another
34 command post that we weren't aware of.
35
36 MP: Okay. Um, and as far as the communication within
37 the -- uh, Command Center was it effective? Were
38 there any issues there at all?
39
40 GS: No. I mean and -- when we -- we set up ours. You
41 know, we have a dispatcher in there monitoring, uh,
42 FBI showed up. They were very helpful. We were all
43 in there, whatever you need, he's asking whatever,
44 uh, things we need. Uh, you know, eventually BSO
45 shows up and, you know, we tell 'em look what we
46 have and, you know, it's their -- their operation
47 and -- and go from there. I can't tell you much
48 after that.
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2 GS: 'Cause, you know, uh, they kept -- you know, I'm
3 listening on the radio, but they -- they started
4 doing what they needed to do. So --
5
6 MP: Okay. And you mentioned earlier than, um, one of
7 the things that you did was provide assistance to
8 other personnel on the scene by taking water, that
9 kinda stuff.
10
11 GS: Uh-huh.
12
13 MP: Uh, are you aware of anyone out in the field who
14 needed something and didn't get it or was affected
15 by something that may have not gone right in the
16 Command Center?
17
18 GS: No. I mean, anything that was asked for we -- we
19 we tried to provide. But look, I was trying to
20 think beyond right now. And I'm thinking about
21 continuity of operations. And, you're talking
22 about, you know, SERT. Fire called SERT out and our
23 SERT's pretty good. Say I need water, just start
24 stacking 'em here and we'll start taking the ATV,
25 you know, the maps. Uh, the guys were equipped.
26 But I mean again, you never know -- you know, the
27 old plus one. You don't know if there's more going
28 on and, you know --
29
30 MP: Right.
31
32 GS: -- food eventually came, eventually, but, uh, no. I
33 mean, look our -- the guys have the equipment they
34 need. Our guys all have rifles. They have -- they
35 all have helmets. They all have medical leg rigs.
36 Uh, you know, having the map earlier would be
37 better.
38
39 MP: It would.
40
41 GS: Uh, but, you know, they -- they -- they zoned in on
42 the problem in -- on the campus which was that. So
43
44
45 MP: Okay. Are you aware of any other conflict or
46 issues, uh, within the Command Center such as
47 technical, mechanical or personnel issues?
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1 MP: All right. Um, going back to what you mentioned
2 earlier. You are in charge of training. Uh, is
3 there a written directive or policy, um, that deals
4 with active shooter?
5
6 GS: Yes.
7
8 MP: Okay. And how often do the officers here receive
9 that training?
10
11 GS: Well, I actually -- we pulled this -- um, every year
12 they get a little snippet of it. Uh, the full blown
13 active killer training, I know we provide it in TI.
14 I can't remember the full-blown one. But, I mean
15 every in-serve training every year we have a little
16 part of it.
17
18 MP: Uh-huh.
19
20 GS: And we go over it again. So, uh, you know, it's
21 trained every year. Uh, and, you know, the guys are
22 well-trained in -- in that. So, you -- again, you
23 have -- we have it all for you. I think they gave
24 it to you. You can see exactly what the training
25 is.
26
27 MP: Oh, I just wanted to get it from you.
28
29 GS: Yeah, yeah.
30
31 MP: Um, so what are your officers trained to do when
32 dealing with an active shooter?
33
34 GS: Uh, neutralize the threat, move to the threat,
35 neutralize the threat.
36
37 MP: Okay. And you also mentioned that part of your
38 duties is to deal with the, uh, the school resource
39 officers in -- in the schools. Do you insure that
40 they receive this type of training as well?
41
42 GS: That's correct. They, in fact, uh, even the last
43 time we did it they -- they're -- we -- as you know
44 they're in school. So, when we .do in-service
45 training it starts early in the year --
46
47 MP: Uh-huh.
48
49 GS: -- uh, right about when school ends. We -- we
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2
3 MP: And that's done annually? How often is that done?
4
5 GS: Uh, they have, again tactics and -- and with an
6 active shooter -- component, every year. We have
7 in-service training every year. And it's all --
8
9 MP: And is that just
10
11 GS: all for --
12
13 MP: for Coral Springs or that's -- is that for the
14 surrounding agencies?
15
16 GS: That's just us.
17
18 MP: Do you all come
19
20 GS: That's just Coral Springs.
21
22 MP: Oh, that's just your agency?
23
24 GS: That's our in-service training. Our in-service
25 training is basically -- the way we do it now is two
26 -- two days. Everyone goes to two days of training
27 every year. Now there's other things in there, it's
28 not just active killer.
29
30 MP: Right, absolutely.
31
32 GS: But, we do some --
33
34 MP: Okay, all right. Do you have anything? All right.
35 Um
36
37 TC: In regards to this investigation is there anything
38 that I either failed to ask or anything that you'd
39 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
40
41 MP: Can you think of anything that we didn't ask you
42 that you wanna add?
43
44 GS: Um
45
46 MP: Or you think we should know?
47
48 GS: No. I think we covered it all.
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4 MP: We' re good? Okay.
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6 TC: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
7 providing this statement today?
8
9 GS: No.
10
11 TC: Okay. Has the information that you've provided
12 during the interview been the truth to the best of
13 your knowledge or recollection?
14
15 GS: Yes.
16
17 TC: All right. This interview is concluded at 11:14
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1 (INTERVIEW OF GIOVANNI VULLO, #EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 RB INVESTIGATOR RANDY BURNS
8 GV DEPUTY GIOVANNI VULLO
9
10 KR: Uh, today's date is May 14th, 2018. The time is
11 approximately 3:59 p.m. I am Inspector Keith
12 Riddick of the Office of Executive Investigations.
13 Also present is OEI member, Randy Burns [phonetic].
14 Location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge Road,
15 Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning
16 Sergeant Giovanni Vullo --
17
18 GV: Yes.
19
20 KR: -- as a witness in an official FDLE investigation,
21 case number EI-26-0079. Inspector -- I -- I am the
22 Inspector in Charge of this investigation. On
23 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
24 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
25 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like to
26 clarify that this is a witness statement being given
27 by you as part of this investigation into that law
28 enforcement response to the MSD school shooting that
29 occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
30 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compel
31 compelled to provide that -- this statement. Do you
32 understand?
33
34 GV: Yes.
35
36 KR: All right. Uh, prior to giving this interview you
37 should be aware of the following: This interview is
38 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer
39 I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
40 statements. In a moment I will be taking a sworn
41 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
42 you knowingly provide false statements, you may be
43 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
44 each of these items I've just informed you of?
45
46 GV: Yes.
47
48 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
49 record reflect the sergeant has raised his right
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1 information you're about to give today is the truth,
2 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help
3 you God?
4
5 GV: Yes.
6
7 KR: All right. Please state your full name, current
8 place of employment, and how long you've been
9 employed there.
10
11 GV: Giovanni D. Vullo. Last na~e spelled V, like
12 Victor, U-L-L-0. I'm employed with the City of
13 Coral Springs Police Department since November of
14 2000.
15
16 KR: All right. Uh, do you have prior law enforcement
17 experience?
18
19 GV: Yes.
20
21 KR: Uh, where at?
22
23 GV: Uh, I was a Federal Agent with the U.S. Border
24 Patrol in San Diego, California.
25
26 KR: Awesome. All right. How many years there?
27
28 GV: Just two years.
29
30 KR: Okay. All right. Um, I see, like I said, you're --
31 you're a sergeant. What is your position with CSPD?
32
33 GV: Uh, sergeant in Road Patrol.
34
35 KR: On patrol? All right. Were you working on -- in
36 that capacity on February 14th, 2018?
37
38 GV: Yes.
39
40 KR: All right. Are you day shift?
41
42 GV: Yes.
43
44 KR: All right. So y'all work -- had been on a while
45 when this this started?
46
47 GV: Yes. Uh, my shift is 8:30 a.m. to 8 p.m.
48
49 KR: All right. How did you first hear of the, uh,
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2 GV: Uh, I heard a sergeant on the radio, uh, Sergeant
3 Bill Reid [phonetic), ask Dispatch, um, if there
4 were, um, reports of an active shooter at Stoneman
5 Douglas High School.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 GV: Um, they said that that -- that they were getting
10 phone calls for that. So I started heading in that
11 direction.
12
13 KR: All right. Was that on -- on police Main?
14
15 GV: Yes.
16
17 KR: Okay. All right. Um, 'cause I don't know if you
18 know or not, he'd actually originally asked that on
19 Info, but they didn't hear him, so he switched over.
20
21 GV: Oh.
22
23 KR: So I -- that's why I clarified if it was Main or
24 Info. Um, where were you at when you heard it?
25
26 GV: I was in my police car at the 3800 block of
27 Riverside Drive.
28
29 KR: All right. How far from there to Douglas?
30
31 GV: Um, it's quite a ways away. I don't know the exact
32 mileage.
33
34 KR: I mean, are we talking 10 miles?
35
36 GV: No. Maybe, like, 4 or 5 miles.
37
38 KR: Okay.
39
40 GV: Four miles.
41
42 KR: Is anything in Coral Springs 10 miles away from
43 that?
44
45 GV: Um, well, it's 20 square miles, so --
46
47 KR: Okay. Probably not.
48
49 GV: -- uh, probably not.
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1 KR: Okay. So a perfect situation is 5 miles by 4 miles.
2
3 GV: Yes.
4
5 KR: All right. Um, do you remember how long it took you
6 to get there?
7
8 GV: Uh, I don't -- I didn't time it.
9
10 KR: You run code?
11
12 GV: Yes, I was Code 3, lights and sirens.
13
14 KR: Okay. Uh, when you got there, where did you first
15 arrive on scene at?
16
17 GV: Um, I parked right in front of the school at -- on
18 Pine Island Road.
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 GV: I parked my car in the middle of the road. I
23 believe it was right in the middle of the street.
24
25 KR: All right. This is the school. It's Pine Island.
26 This is the 1200 Building. Uh, if you would, just
27 mark
28
29 GV: It's somewhere I'm not exactly sure, but I was
30 in, uh, just --
31
32 KR: And and the -- not exactly is
33
34 GV: Yeah. So somewhere --
35
36 KR: is all we can ask, sir.
37
38 GV: somewhere -- somewhere here.
39
40 KR: Okay. Wouldn't it -- that's Sawgrass.
41
42 GV: Oh, I'm sorry.
43
44 KR: Yeah. This is Pine Island.
45
46 GV: (Unintelligible) .
47
48 KR: This -- this way. Yeah, this is the front of the
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1 GV: Oh, there it is. Right here.
2
3 KR: Yeah. No, that's okay, bro. All right. After you
4 got there, where did you go?
5
6 GV: Um, I started running, um, directly to the 1200
7 Building where other officers were running to.
8
9 KR: All right. This is another map. Here's -- this is
10 Pine Island
11
12 GV: Okay.
13
14 KR: -- in front of the school. If you would, again,
15 mark where you -- where you parked, and then draw
16 the -- the route that you took to the 1200 Building.
17
18 GV: Okay. This is Pine Island. This is the school,
19 right here?
20
21 KR: Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. This is the 1200 Building.
22 That would be the main entrance to the school there.
23 The bus loop's down here.
24
25 GV: I'm pretty sure it was past the front of the school.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 GV: So somewhere here. And, uh, I ran westbound.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 GV: I'm not exactly sure of the -- the route.
34
35 KR: No. I mean, did you you didn't go through the
36 building this way, or do you recall?
37
38 GV: I -- I don't recall exactly what --
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 GV: -- path I took. I was running alongside one of our
43 K-9 units.
44
45 KR: All right.
46
47 GV: K- 9 dog.
48
49 KR: Where did you end up at? With this is the --
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1 GV: Um, I -- I ended up right in -- at the east door.
2
3 KR: Okay.
4
5 GV: Where I was met by, uh, Captain Ryan Gallagher.
6
7 KR: Okay.
8
9 GV: He was right at the door. He said, "Gio, clear the
10 parking lot," which is right here.
11
12 KR: Okay. Okay. If you would, go ahead and -- yeah.
13
14 GV: So, uh, somewhere I ended up here.
15
16 KR: Right.
17
18 GV: And the captain was right at the door.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 GV: He -- he said, "Clear this parking lot area."
23
24 KR: Okay.
25
26 GV: So I cleared this parking lot area with another
27 officer. His name is Chris, Chris Crawford.
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 GV: Um, uh, I asked Chris to clear the rest of this
32 parking lot and I went back inside.
33
34 KR: Okay. So you did go in -- into the 1200 Building.
35
36 GV: Yes.
37
38 KR: All right. As you're running up, did you hear any
39 gunshots?
40
41 GV: No.
42
43 KR: Did you hear any gunshots the entire time you were
44 there?
45
46 GV: No.
47
48 KR: Okay. When you get as you're pulling up, as
49 you're approaching, do you see any other officers?
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1 GV: I see a lot of Coral Springs officers.
2
3 KR: Okay. Um, where were they?
4
5 GV: They were running up with me. There were several
6 going inside, uh, the -- the east door.
7
8 KR: Okay. Any BSO deputies?
9
10 GV: Um, I did not see a BSO officer until I went inside.
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 GV: I saw one BSO officer.
15
16 KR: All right. Do you know who he was?
17
18 GV: No.
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 GV: He was just a tall, uh, white, blond hair.
23
24 KR: Yes, sir. Understand. Um, as you're -- what else
25 did you hear radio traffic-wise? What were you
26 advised about the incident?
27
28 GV: Uh, well, as soon as I went in the door, I saw, uh,
29 Sergeant Kozlowski, uh, smashing out -- uh, it would
30 be the -- on the south side, uh, as soon as you walk
31 in the east door. It would be the south classroom.
32 I don't know the numbers. And he was busting out
33 the window with his ASP baton to open the door,
34 'cause the door was locked.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 GV: Um, I immediately staged on the door to make entry.
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 RB: As you're coming from where you first heard of it,
43 did you hear any Dispatch -- uh, anything over the,
44 uh -- the air about suspect description, location?
45
46 GV: Um, on the way there, I -- I just -- I'm trying to
47 remember exactly what -- the radio traffic. I
48 heard, uh, one of our school resource officers, uh,
49 Nick Iarriccio [phonetic] , he went on scene and, uh,
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2 KR: Okay.
3
4 GV: Um, I believe I heard a couple another officer,
5 um, say that he was on scene. He was another SRO.
6 I believe that was Tim Burton.
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 GV: Um, and I know I asked a question on the way there.
11 Um, I was asking if the shots were still, um,
12 happening. I believe -- I'm not exactly sure --
13 but, um, when the officers were on scene, when they
14 went 97, which was, I mean, arrival.
15
16 RB: (Unintelligible) .
17
18 GV: That is, uh -- that was Iarriccio and Timmy. They
19 said that there was no gunshots. They -- they did
20 not hear any gunshots.
21
22 KR: Okay. So once they went 10-97, they told you they
23 had not heard any gunshots.
24
25 GV: Right.
26
27 KR: Okay. Um, how did you know to go to the 1200
28 Building?
29
30 GV: Um, I believe there was, um -- the information was
31 relayed by the officers on scene --
32
33 KR: Okay.
34
35 GV: -- on the radio that --
36
37 KR: Okay.
38
39 GV: the incident took -- the shots were coming
40 had come from the 1200 Building.
41
42 KR: Okay. All right. Um, was that the only BSO officer
43 you saw?
44
45 GV: That was the only officer I saw -
46
47 KR: Was that BSO?
48
49 GV: until BSO SWAT arrived.
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1 KR: Okay. Who else from CSPD do you remember?
2
3 GV: It was, uh -- I -- I remember the sergeant, Sergeant
4 Foti, um, Officer Carvalho. Um, they were all on
5 the first floor. I saw, obviously, uh, Captain
6 Captain Gallagher. Um, (unintelligible) .
7
8 KR: Did you see --
9
10 GV: Um, Iarriccio. I saw Iarriccio. He was helping --
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 GV: -- uh, clear, uh, classrooms inside --
15
16 KR: Okay.
17
18 GV: -- the building. I didn't see Tim Burton, um,
19 inside that building.
20
21 KR: Okay. Could there have been other officers that you
22 just don't remember seeing?
23
24 GV: There was many officers. I just don't remember.
25
26 KR: All right. Do you, uh you came in from the east.
27 Do you remember a team coming in from the west?
28
29 GV: Um
30
31 KR: Or were they --
32
33 GV: I know that there was a team that was at the west
34 door. I never -- I don't remember seeing them.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 GV: I stayed on the first floor --
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 GV: -- of the 1200 Building. I did not go anywhere
43 else.
44
45 KR: All right. When you're en route or after you got
46 there, while you're clearing, did you have any
47 communications issues?
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49 GV: Did I have --
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2
3 GV: -- communications issues? No, not at all.
4
5 KR: Okay. And --
6
7 GV: Not with my dispatcher.
8
9 KR: Okay. Did you have -- did you use the radio that
10 much?
11
12 GV: Yes. Uh, well, I did a little bit.
13
14 KR: Okay. And -- but you never had a problem getting
15 them to answer you or
16
17 GV: No.
18
19 KR: getting out --
20
21 GV: Never.
22
23 KR: -- or anything like that? Okay. Did you hear
24 anybody exclaim that they had -- were having
25 troubles getting hold of either --
26
27 GV: I think during the course of, uh, the event, I did
28 hear Dispatch, Main [phonetic] -- our Dispatch say
29 that they -- that BSO's radios weren't -- that they
30 were having issues with their radios.
31
32 KR: Okay. The BSO guy that was there with y'all, did he
33 ever say anything to you?
34
35 GV: Um, I never spoke with him.
36
37 KR: Okay.
38
39 GV: I -- I just saw him briefly.
40
41 KR: Okay.
42
43 GV: He -- I think he went upstairs.
44
45 KR: Okay.
46
47 GV: And I stayed on the first floor.
48
49 KR: Okay. Um, do you remember hearing anything -- and I
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2 the video, when they came back and said, "He's on
3 the second floor." And he really wasn't.
4
5 GV: Yes. You --
6
7 KR: Do you remember that?
8
9 GV: During the course of clearing the classrooms on the
10 first floor, I did hear on the radio that they
11 observed the suspect upstairs on the third or second
12 -- second or third floor. I don't remember which
13 floor. And then, um -- so we were ready to engage
14 the suspect if he'd come down. I know we had guys
15 in the stairwell
16
17 KR: Uh - huh .
18
19 GV: -- as well. Um, but, uh, then, uh, apparently they
20 advised that there was a delay and that --
21
22 KR: Do you know who was telling you that? Was that on -
23
24
25 GV: Um
26
27 KR: your channel?
28
29 GV: that was on my channel.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 GV: So that was a relay, yes.
34
35 KR: All right. I know there was a patch done at some
36 time. Is there an obvious difference when you go
37 from just CSPD to a patch with BSO or anything like
38 that? Do you recall, is --
39
40 GV: I don't -- I don't recall --
41
42 KR: Okay.
43
44 GV: anything about hearing any BSO, um, officers on
45 our channel.
46
47 KR: Okay.
48
49 GV: I don't -- I don't recall that.
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2
3 GV: No.
4
5 KR: Okay. 'Cause they have different call -- totally
6 different call signs than you and
7
8 GV: Yes.
9
10 KR: -- it would be obvious.
11
12 GV: Yeah, I don't -- I don't recall at all if I heard a
13 BSO officer on our channel.
14
15 KR: All right. Do you do you recall hearing your
16 office trying to talk to BSO on your channel?
17
18 GV: I don't recall that.
19
20 KR: Okay. Um, I may have already asked this, but I'm --
21 just to clarify again, or make -- just make certain.
22 As you're coming running up here, you're obviously
23 focused on this. Do you recall seeing a deputy,
24 obviously Deputy Peterson, standing in this -- in
25 this area of the 7 -- 800?
26
27 GV: I never saw Deputy Peterson.
28
29 KR: Okay. Do you know him?
30
31 GV: Uh, I know him from, like, uh, previous incidences.
32
33 KR: Okay. Right. Okay. But you never saw him?
34
35 GV: I never saw him that day.
36
37 KR: All right. Cool. Um, switch, uh -- any questions?
38
39 RB: Uh-uh.
40
41 KR: Okay. Switch gears to training. Does your agency
42 have an active shooter policy?
43
44 GV: Yes.
45
46 KR: All right. What does it say to do in the case of an
47 active shooter?
48
49 GV: It says run, um run towards the threat to -- to,
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2 KR: By yourself?
3
4 GV: It doesn't matter.
5
6 KR: Okay.
7
8 GV: Whoever's the first at the scene.
9
10 KR: Okay. How often do you train?
11
12 GV: Uh, we do in-service training once a year. We have
13 firearms training, um, quarterly.
14
15 KR: Uh, when's the last time you had active shooter
16 training?
17
18 GV: Um, I believe it was last year.
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20 KR: Okay. Um, do you do active shooter every year?
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22 GV: Um, well, we don't always train active shooter.
23 It's -- it's -- our training unit has a --
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25 KR: A (unintelligible) service something?
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27 GV: They have, uh, certain classes that they teach every
28 year.
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30 KR: All right.
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32 GV: I'm not exactly sure how many times we train --
33 trained it, but it was, um, recent.
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35 KR: Okay. I mean, like our agency, we -- we did active
36 shooter a year, year and a half ago, but then when
37 we do our quarterly training, they'll throw in a
38 little scenario that's like a mini-active shooter or
39 -- or some sort of barricaded subject or something
40 like that --
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42 GV: Yes, we --
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44 KR: to stop.
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46 GV: -- we have that every year. We have --
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48 KR: Yeah.
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4 GV: -- every year.
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6 KR: Yeah.
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8 GV: It incorporates emergency responses and things of
9 that type.
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11 KR: All right. Okey-dokey. All right. To, uh -- to
12 basically go back over real quick, you -- you go 10-
13 97 in front of the school on Pine Island, make your
14 way to the 1200, team up with your other members and
15 -- and sweep the, uh -- the, uh, floor, um, of the
16 1200 Building. You don't -- didn't see Peterson,
17 didn't see any of the other deputies, other than
18 that one deputy that joined y'all. Is that correct?
19
20 GV: That's correct.
21
22 KR: Okay. Once you finished with the 1200 Building, did
23 you go elsewhere on the school?
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25 GV: Yes.
26
27 KR: Okay.
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29 GV: After we, um, cleared the 1200 Building, we did a
30 secondary search and we were relieved by BSO SWAT
31 team --
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33 KR: Uh-huh.
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35 GV: -- at that building. Um, I teamed up with, um,
36 more officers, and we cleared the first floor of the
37 800 Building and the first floor of the 700.
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39 KR: Did you have any cormnunications issues when you were
40 doing that?
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42 GV: No.
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44 KR: Did you have any cormnunications issues the entire
45 incident?
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47 GV: Never.
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49 KR: Okay. Did you hear -- other than what we've already
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10 KR: Okay. All right. In regards to this investigation,
11 is there anything that I either failed to ask or
12 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
13 your statement today?
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15 GV: No, sir .
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17 KR: All right. Have you been promised anything in
18 exchange for this statement today?
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20 GV: No.
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22 KR: Uh, has the information that you provided during
23 this interview -- interview been the truth to the
24 best of your knowledge or recollection?
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26 GV: Yes.
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28 KR: This interview is concluded approximately 4:15 p.m.
29 on May the 14th, 2018.
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6 LN SPECIAL AGENT SUPERVISOR LUIS NEGRETE
7 IR SENIOR INTELLIGENCE ANALYST IGNACIO RAMOS
8 JW OFFICER JAMES WEBER
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10 LN: Okay. The date is August 30th, 2018. The time is
11 approximately 1:49 p.m. Um, I am Special Agent
12 Supervisor Luis Negrete of the Office of Executive
13 Investigation. Also present is Ignacio Ramos, um,
14 Senior Crime Intelligence Analyst. The location of
15 this interview is the Coral Springs Police
16 Department in Coral Springs, Florida. I will be
17 questioning James Weber as a witness in an official
18 FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
19 Inspector Keith Riddick is the inspector in charge
20 of this investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this a witness statement being
26 given by you as part of the investigation into the
27 law enforcement response to the MSD School shooting
28 that occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
29 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
30 to provide this statement. Do you understand?
31
32 JW: Yes, sir.
33
34 LN: Prior to beginning the interview, you should be
35 aware of the following. This interview is being
36 recorded. As a law enforcement officer, I am
37 empowered to administer oath and take statements.
38 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
39 you. You will be under oath, and if you knowingly
40 provide false statements, you can be criminally
41 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
42 items I have just informed you of?
43
44 JW: Yes, sir.
45
46 LN: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
47 or affirm that the information you are about to give
48 today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
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1 JW: I do.
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3 LN: Please state your full name.
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5 JW: My name is James Michael Weber.
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7 LN: Place of employment?
8
9 JW: I work for the Coral Springs Police Department as a
10 law enforcement officer.
11
12 LN: For how long?
13
14 JW: I started in July, uh, 6th, 1999. And my first
15 couple years, I was assigned to road patrol. And
16 then, in 2003, uh, I have been assigned to Youth
17 Liaison Unit ever since.
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19 LN: Was that your assignment on February 14th of this
20 year?
21
22 JW: Yes, sir.
23
24 LN: Okay. Um, let's go back to February 14th. Where
25 were you, and how -- around what time, and how did
26 you hear about the school shooting at MSD?
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28 JW: Okay. As I mentioned, um, my daily assignment is
29 with the Youth Liaison Office. Um, I'm a school
30 resource officer. My two schools are Ramblewood
31 Elementary and Westchester Elementary. Um, around
32 that time of the day, after dismissal at the
33 elementary schools, um, the elementary school SROs
34 are assigned to go to the high schools to provide
35 additional officer coverage.
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37 So, at that point in time, when the call came out
38 for Stoneman, I was en route to Taravella High
39 School, which is my daily, uh, routine. I go down
40 there about 2:40 every day to assist with their
41 dismissal. On my way to the school, to Taravella, I
42 heard the radio call go out. As soon as I heard the
43 call go out, I immediately responded to the police
44 department and picked up the SWAT command vehicle.
45 One of my additional assignments is I'm a driver for
46 the, um, SWAT command vehicle. And based on
47 previous incidents that we had, I knew that this
48 vehicle was definitely gonna be needed. So, I took
49 it upon myself to pick up the vehicle and I
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3 LN: All right. Now, um, I see on Map 1 that we offered
4 you that you, uh, placed where the -- where you --
5 is this where you parked the vehicle?
6
7 JW: Well, initially, I, uh, took the northbound Coral
8 Springs Drive. Um, obviously, there was a lot of
9 vehicles by the time I got there. When I first
10 parked the vehicle, I was actually just south of the
11 Sawgrass Expressway on Coral Springs Drive. Once
12 everything kind of got situated, we did move it up a
13 little bit further so then we were north of the, uh,
14 Sawgrass Expressway once events stabilized.
15
16 LN: All right. Um, when you got there, what did you
17 observe?
18
19 JW: Um, initially, it was just a lot of cars in the way.
20 Going up there with the command vehicle, it's a 42
21 foot vehicle. So, I'm trying to maneuver my way up.
22 They were moving cars, and everything else, so I
23 could get up as far as I could, as close to the
24 school as I could. Um, initially, I couldn't go any
25 further then, uh, where we were initially. And
26 then, once the events stabilized, I was able to move
27 up. Uh, my whole time, um, during this whole
28 incident, I was pretty much on the command vehicle
29 and never exited the command vehicle to go onto the
30 school grounds, or anything like that.
31
32 LN: All right. Um, were you on the radio?
33
34 JW: Uh, just talking to the Dispatch to let them know
35 that I was picking up the command vehicle. And
36 then, when I got there, um, to let them know that I
37 was 97, which means that I arrived at the scene.
38
39 LN: All right. Did you have were there any issues,
40 that you of, with the Coral Springs radio system?
41
42 JW: With the Coral Springs radio system, no.
43
44 LN: Okay. Were you able to -- did you key up? And were
45 you able to?
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47 JW: We basically have -- we can monitor the radio
48 traffic on the command vehicle. So, at no time did
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1 LN: Okay. But did you key up personally and talk to
2 Dispatch?
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4 JW: Just when I got to the scene.
5
6 LN: Oh. Yeah.
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8 JW: To let them know -- know that I was there.
9
10 LN: Okay. Outstanding. Um, did you, at any point, hear
11 any shots?
12
13 JW: No.
14
15 LN: Okay. And you said at no point did you go onto the
16 school grounds?
17
18 JW: That's correct, sir.
19
20 LN: Outstanding. Um, you stayed the whole time inside
21 the command bus?
22
23 JW: That is correct.
24
25 LN: All right. While in there, um, who do you remember
26 seeing?
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28 JW: One of the first people that, uh, came onboard was
29 our Deputy Chief Clyde Parry --
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31 LN: Uh-huh.
32
33 JW: -- who has since been promoted to Chief of Police.
34 Um, he was one of the first officers on board. Um,
35 one of the first things we did -- we have maps of
36 all the schools in our city. And we actually had
37 the full 10 by 17 map of Stoneman Douglas. So, we
38 brought that out. And then, um, later on, we made a
39 whole bunch of copies for the SWAT teams so they
40 can, kind of, uh, do a radius search.
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42 LN: Okay.
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44 JW: Of the school, you know?
45
46 LN: Uh-huh.
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48 JW: Piece by piece. But initially, uh, that was pretty
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1 LN: All right. Um, did you observe, uh, the chief make
2 -- giving any orders, or any assignments regarding
3 the law enforcement response?
4
5 JW: There were so many people coming onto the bus at
6 that point in time. I just remember him, because he
7 was, like, one of the first people.
8
9 LN: Uh-huh.
10
11 JW: Um, I know they were looking over the map, and they
12 were trying to get a -- at that point, everything
13 was still, kind of, unwinding. We didn't know if he
14 was still on campus, the shooter.
15
16 LN: Uh-huh.
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18 JW: Or if he, uh, had left. So, at this point, we were
19 trying to get as much information as we could.
20
21 LN: Okay. And that information that you just talked
22 about, was that received through the radio?
23
24 JW: Yes.
25
26 LN: Okay. Uh, did you -- do you know of, uh, Deputy
27 Peterson? Scot Peterson?
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29 JW: No. Never met the man.
30
31 LN: You never met the man? Okay. Perfect. Um, in
32 regards, uh, to the actual -- I want to shift gears
33 a little bit. Uh, in regards to training, um, does
34 your agency have a active shooter policy?
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36 JW: Yes.
37
38 LN: And what does that policy entail?
39
40 JW: Well, we train -- we -- the beautiful thing with
41 Coral Springs, we do have, um -- because I worked in
42 Ohio for 13 years as a police officer. So, when I
43 came down here, um, we have a very structured -- we
44 have a training unit. And we get structured
45 training every quarter. Um, we train on a
46 consistent basis for active shooter events.
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1 JW: Uh, just recently during the summer months. We re-
2 did the whole active shooter again.
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4 LN: Okay. And prior to the incident?
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6 JW: Uh, it seems like we -- we do it at least once a
7 year.
8
9 LN: Okay.
10
11 JW: For the most part, I would say almost once a year
12 that we're doing something active killer -- active,
13 uh, shooter related.
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15 LN: All right. So, it's fair to assess around 2017?
16
17 JW: We do it all the time. Whether it's even just
18 playing with, uh, tourniquets.
19
20 LN: Okay.
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22 JW: To doing an active killer type incid~nt.
23
24 LN: All right.
25
26 JW: We're doing it all the time.
27
28 LN: And, per your policy, is it once you know, or you
29 are aware of an active shooter, is it to wait?
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31 JW: When we hear gunshots, we go right to the gunshots.
32
33 LN: Even if you're the only officer?
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35 JW: That's our training.
36
37 LN: Outstanding.
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39 JW: We've trained like that many times. In fact, many,
40 many years ago, because we -- we actually went to,
41 like, the middle school. I just remember, like,
42 Coral Springs Middle School. And we're all lined
43 up. So, as soon as we heard the shots, I mean, they
44 had us running, you know, to go in and confront the,
45 uh, shooter.
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47 LN: Okay.
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2 there anything that I either failed to ask or
3 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
4 your statement?
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6 JW: No, I'm pretty -- like I say, for me, it was a very
7 limited event. I took the vehicle, and pretty much
8 stayed with the vehicle the whole time.
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10 LN: Questions?
11
12 IR: No.
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14 LN: All right. Have you been promised anything in
15 exchange for providing this statement today?
16
17 JW: No, sir.
18
19 LN: Has the information that you have provided during
20 this interview been the truth to the best of your
21 knowledge or recollection?
22
23 JW: Yes, sir.
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25 LN: All right. This interview is concluded at 1:58 p.m.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF JASON WHISNANT, #EI-26-0079, 8/30/18)
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4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 TC Inspector Troy Cope
7 MP Meschelle Pittman
8 JW Jason Whisnant
9 SM Steve Melnick
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11 TC: Okay. The date is Thursday, August 30th, 2018. The
12 time is approximately 2:04 p.m. I am Inspector Troy
13 Cope of the Office of Executive Investigations. And
14 also present at this time is Meschelle Pittman. The
15 location of this interview is the Coral Springs
16 Police Department Headquarters. I will be
17 questioning Officer Jason Whisnant --
18
19 JW: Yes.
20
21 TC: -- as a witness in an official -- in an official
22 FDLE investigation. Case number EI-26-0079.
23 Inspector Keith Riddick is the inspector that is in
24 charge of this investigation. And also present is
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27 SM: Steve Melnick, FOP attorney.
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29 TC: Thank you. On February 25, 2018, Governor Scott
30 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
31 response to the shooting in Parkland.
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33 For the record, I'd like to clarify that this is a
34 witness statement being given by you as part of the
35 investigation into the law enforcement response to
36 the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
37 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
38 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
39 Do you understand?
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41 JW: Yes.
42
43 TC: Prior to the beginning of this interview, you should
44 be aware of the following. This interview is being
45 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
46 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
47 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
48 you. You will be under oath. And if you knowingly
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3 JW: Yes.
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5 TC: Please raise your right hand. Let the record
6 reflect he's raised his right hand. Do you solemnly
7 swear or affirm that the information you're about to
8 give today is the truth, the whole truth, and
9 nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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11 JW: I do.
12
13 TC: Thank you. And for the record, can I get you to
14 please state your full name?
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16 JW: Yes. Jason Whisnant, W-H-I-S-N-A-N-T.
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18 TC: Okay. And your current place of employment?
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20 JW: Coral Springs Police Department.
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22 TC: And I know before we got started, you said you are a
23 police officer. That's your official title?
24
25 JW: That's correct.
26
27 TC: Okay. How long have you been with the Coral Springs
28 Police Department?
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30 JW: Five years, seven months.
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32 TC: Okay. All as a police officer?
33
34 JW: Yes.
35
36 TC: Okay. Prior to joining Coral Springs Police
37 Department, had you had any prior law enforcement
38 experience?
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40 JW: Yes, I was a law enforcement officer in North
41 Carolina, uh, since September of 2009.
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43 TC: Okay. What agency?
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45 JW: Um, I worked for the Clay County Sheriff's Office
46 and the Sylva Police Department.
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48 TC: Okay. On February 14th, 2018, did you respond in
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4 TC: Okay. On that date, do you recall what your radio
5 call sign was?
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7 JW: Yes, Mike 36.
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9 TC: Okay. So M36?
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11 JW: That's correct.
12
13 TC: Okay. And do you recall approximately what you were
14 wearing that day?
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16 JW: Uh, my standard patrol uniform.
17
18 TC: okay. And can you walk us through how you became
19 aware that there was something going on at the high
20 school?
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22 JW: Uh, yes. Um, so my normal schedule is Tuesday
23 through Friday, 2 p.m. to midnight. Uh, I come in
24 at 2 p.m. in the afternoon. We have briefing 'til
25 approximately 2:30 in the afternoon. Um, it usually
26 doesn't run that long though, it's just if it needs
27 to. Um, so we, uh, cleared briefing. Um, if you
28 come directly down the hallway from our briefing
29 room towards report writing, there's a coffee
30 machine. Um, I was standing there with, um,
31 Sergeant Reid and another officer. Um, I don't
32 recall the other officer that was there with us
33 though. And, uh, we were getting coffee from the
34 machine.
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37 hours is what I put on my report, so, um, it was
38 approximately that time, uh, the -- one of the fire
39 chiefs -- uh, I believe he's a division chief, Mike
40 Moser -- uh, came out of the stairwell which goes up
41 in between the second and third floor. And, uh,
42 came running out of the stairwell and said that
43 there was an active shooter at Douglas, um, and just
44 continued running down the hallway. Um, so Sergeant
45 Reid said, "Go ahead and start that way. I'll
46 figure out what's going on." Uh, ran out to my car,
47 um, started to proceed up towards the school, which
48 is like, three miles from the police department,
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2 were taking a report of an active shooter from the
3 school, um, which, uh, they -- Dispatch advised us
4 at the time yes, they were, um, but they were in the
5 process of transferring the call -- because we were
6 getting the 911 calls -- to BSO. And then, um, our
7 city also does the fire rescue for Parkland. So I
8 proceeded up to the school. And, um, when I
9 arrived, I parked my vehicle in the southeast corner
10 of the complex, um, which is -- there's this loop
11 parking lot.
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13 TC: Okay.
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15 JW: So I parked on, um -- I believe it's Pine Island --
16 yeah, it's Pine Island Road on the Parkland side. I
17 literally parked right on the entrance --
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19 TC: Okay.
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21 JW: -- to that parking lot.
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23 TC: Can you put an X or circle where you parked, please?
24
25 JW: Yes.
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27 TC: And so, just for the record, this is the, uh,
28 southeast corner of the campus.
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30 JW: Yes.
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32 TC: So the very first kinda bus loop or parking lot, if
33 you will, that's on Pine Island Road, heading
34 northbound.
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36 JW: Yes.
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38 TC: And -- okay. So you parked right there at the
39 corner. Okay. And you're just gonna walk us
40 through. Well, I'll tell you what, let me -- let me
41 back you up just real quick.
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43 JW: Sure.
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45 TC: As you're going, what type of information, before
46 you got there, that you -- that you received over
47 the radio?
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2 that I had was that the shooter was still actively
3 in the building shooting, um, and that he was on the
4 second floor armed with a rifle and a gas mask --
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6 TC: Okay.
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8 JW: -- or some type of mask. Um, and so when I arrived
9 on scene, I was under the assumption that he was
10 still actively shooting inside of the building.
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12 TC: Okay. And so on figure two here, can you kinda draw
13 -- did you get out and immediately go onto the
14 campus?
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16 JW: Yes, I grabbed my gear, uh, which was a helmet, my
17 rifle, and, uh, my go bag, uh, with extra equipment
18 in it. And then I proceeded northbound through this
19 parking lot that runs in front of Buildings, uh, 1
20 and 8. And I was running through the parking lot in
21 front of the building, there was a Broward County
22 Sheriff's deputy that was in the parking lot. Um,
23 and since we're not super familiar with the building
24 numbers like, um -- I basically know the layout of
25 the school, but I didn't know which -- what the
26 building
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28 MP: Uh-huh.
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30 JW: -- numbers were. So I just asked him, "Where is
31 Building 12?" And he said, "It's literally around
32 the corner from Building 8." So we continued around
33 over here and --
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35 MP: The BSO deputy with you at this point? You guys
36 connect
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38 JW: No, at this point --
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40 MP: or he just stayed there? Okay.
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42 JW: it was myself, Officer Caballero and several
43 other officers. I just remember Officer Caballero
44 'cause he pulled up pretty much next to my vehicle
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47 MP: Okay.
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3 JW: there was several other officers though.
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5 MP: caravan over, uh, from here to there?
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7 JW: No, I drove the car -- my car by myself.
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9 MP: How long did it take you to get from here to the
10 school?
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12 JW: From here to the school, maybe two minutes --
13
14 MP: Okay.
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16 JW: -- I mean, yeah. 'Cause by this point, everybody
17 had heard on the radio what was going on. So we had
18 our, um -- like our traffic accident investigators
19 or civilians -- they were literally blocking the
20 intersection. So when I left here, I ran code from
21 here to the school and did not have to stop for an
22 intersection.
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24 MP: Okay.
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26 JW: Um --
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28 MP: And there were other -- well, if you recall, was
29 there a -- was there a perimeter set up with other
30 officers? Had they already set up a perimeter or do
31 you recall that?
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33 JW: Um, so from the time I got out of the car and made
34 my way through this parking lot right here, um, just
35 east of Building one and 8, the only, uh, officer I
36 saw was that BSO deputy --
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38 MP: Okay.
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40 JW: -- that was in the parking lot. Um, I don't know if
41 they were setting up perimeter or not at that point.
42 Um, and, uh, once I made it around Building 8 and
43 saw the parking lot here, there were officers in
44 front of the east side entrance to Building 12 and
45 other officers in the parking lot as well.
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47 MP: And what were they doing?
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4 MP: Okay. And the ones that were in the parking lot
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6 JW: Were looking up at the building, 'cause at that
7 point, they didn't really have any coverage on the
8 windows. So that building's got windows all around
9 it up to the third floor --
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11 MP: Uh-huh.
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13 JW: -- and the report we had was that the suspect was on
14 the second floor at the time.
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 JW: Um, so these officers are either watching a
19 perimeter around the building or were looking up and
20 just covering the windows.
21
22 MP: Were their guns drawn?
23
24 JW: Yes.
25
26 MP: Were they taking cover?
27
28 JW: Yes.
29
30 MP: Okay. Okay.
31
32 JW: Um, which at that time, I didn't see any BSO
33 deputies in the parking lot. They deputies that I
34 -- or the officers that I saw were Coral Springs
35 officers
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 JW: um, in the parking lot and at the door here.
40
41 MP: So at this point, the only BSO deputy you saw was
42
43 JW: The one that was --
44
45 MP: in that parking lot?
46
47 JW: the one that was in the
48
49 TC: If you could just make an X where so we can come
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2
3 JW: Sure.
4
5 TC: -- BSO. Okay. And then can you draw that line you
6 took through there?
7
8 MP: Yeah, just kinda show the route that you went.
9
10 JW: All right. Let me -- yeah --
11
12 MP: Okay.
13
14 JW: -- I went all the way up through here. And then we
15 cut across here to this corner and then made our way
16 to this adjutment right here. There's actually
17 on this corner here, there's a door to exit out of
18 Building 8 that comes out -- I think out of the
19 auditorium, 'cause this like, the back side of the
20 auditorium.
21
22 TC: Uh-huh.
23
24 JW: Um, so there was like, a door there. So it actually
25 -- if you're looking at the building, there's a wall
26 here. And then it juts out. And from that corner,
27 you have a direct view of the southeast corner of
28 Building 12, which is where, um -- the original
29 place that I stopped. Okay?
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 TC: And then from there, just kinda walk us through
34 kinda how you traveled to the campus and --
35
36 JW: Okay.
37
38 TC: -- what you did.
39
40 JW: Um, so when I got to this position here, one of the
41 officers in the parking lot yelled to me that --
42 about him being on the second floor, um, and, uh,
43 that we didn't have coverage. Nobody could -- so
44 from here, we couldn't tell that there was any
45 officers here. So there was nobody that had a clear
46 sight from the -- for these windows on this side.
47
48 TC: Okay.
49
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1 information. When I looked down the south side of
2 Building 12 on the second floor, there's a window
3 open, which would be kinda weird 'cause no other
4 windows were open on the entire building except for
5 that one on that side that -- that I could see. It
6 was just that one window was open and the reports
7 that we had was that he was on the second floor.
8 So, um, basically, I was covering the east side of
9 Building 12 and the south side of Building 12, just
10 checking the windows on the second and third floors
11 to make sure, uh, just in case the shooter tried to
12 shoot out at us --
13
14 MP: Right.
15
16 JW: -- um, to provide coverage. 'Cause not long after I
17 arrived on scene is when they started bringing
18 injured people out onto a golf cart and bringing
19 them out to EMS, which was somewhere out in the
20 parking lot over here.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 JW: Um
25
26 TC: the the northeast side?
27
28 MP: Could you do you -- do you recall who was -- who
29 was bringing them out?
30
31 JW: The officer that was driving the golf cart was
32 Officer Wilkins --
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 JW: -- Brian Wilkins. He's. a Coral Springs Police
37 officer.
38
39 MP: Coral Springs?
40
41 JW: Yes. There was somebody else with him, but I don't
42 know who that was, and their uniform wasn't
43 distinctly identified as being any agency. It just
44 looked kinda like a guy wearing tactical gear.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 JW: Um, so they started bringing people out, um, and
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2 to be moved, they couldn't move themselves, they
3 were putting on the golf cart or carrying out to
4 EMS.
5
6 MP: Now, had you gotten a update over the radio as far
7 as where the suspect was? Did you still think at
8 that moment he was in the building?
9
10 JW: At -- when I was here, yes. We were still under the
11 assumption that he's in the building. And then, um,
12 as time went on, they started getting reports that
13 maybe there was a delay in the camera and that the
14 suspect could possibly have already been gone. So
15 there was a lot of conflicting things, uh, going on.
16 But, um -- um, basically, we were getting updates
17 from -- from our side, but, um, not a lot from BSO.
18 So right before I moved from this position to the
19 front of Building 12 was, uh, when, um, a deputy
20 showed up with some of our other officers. They.
21 came from out of this hallway here, uh, and then
22 made their way to
23
24 MP: Do you recall --
25
26 JW: basically like the front area of this.
27
28 MP: who that deputy was?
29
30 JW: I don' t .
31
32 MP: A description maybe.
33
34 JW: Um, white male, older male.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 JW: Um, I don't know a whole lot of the Parkland
39 deputies, so --
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 JW: -- um
44
45 TC: And when you talk about a hallway, they came from
46 between the 700 and 800 building towards the 1200
47 building?
48
49 JW: Yeah. Uh, basically from this hallway right here,
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2 TC: Yeah.
3
4 JW: -- they came kind of out of that hallway and then
5 went in the front of that. And then --
6
7 TC: Okay. Did they go inside Building 12?
8
9 JW: I didn't see 'em go inside Building 12?
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 MP: Um --
14
15 JW: And I never went inside of the building, I just went
16 to the east entrance and provided extra equipment
17 that they needed, 'cause they were running low on
18 tourniquets and chest seals and such.
19
20 MP: Do you recall seeing, um, BSO Deputy, um, Scott
21 Peterson?
22
23 JW: No. To be honest with you, I'd never seen him
24 before and I couldn't tell ya if I saw him or not.
25 It -- I -- I just saw a deputy.
26
27 MP: Okay.
28
29 JW: I know what he looks like now, but --
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 JW: even even looking at him now, I couldn't tell
34 ya if that was him or not.
35
36 MP: Okay. Okay.
37
38 JW: I didn't really look at him that hard.
39
40 MP: All right.
41
42 JW: Um, and then -- so, um, once I was in front of
43 Building 12, went over here, um, Sergeant Kozlowski
44 came over with a group of other officers and it was
45 -- it was a mix. It was us, um, one guy from the
46 school district police, um, a guy, I think, from
47 Coconut Creek. So there was just a group of us and,
48 uh, he wanted to round up officers and start
49 clearing buildings. So we left Building 12, we went
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3 MP: Now, when you left, uh, Building 1200 and head
4 towards Building 8 --
5
6 JW: Uh-huh.
7
8 MP: -- had you received information that, uh, the
9 suspect was -- had left the building?
10
11 JW: At this time, yeah
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 JW: -- at this time we were under the assumption the
16 least the suspect in Building 12 had left the -- the
17 building.
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 JW: Um, but we didn't have any other information as if
22 there was a second shooter
23
24 MP: Okay. Gotcha.
25
26 JW: -- if there was maybe -- he'd placed devices or
27 something before he had left.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 JW: Um, so -- but the information that I had at that
32 time was that the suspect had -- they had -- they
33 believed had already fled the area.
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 JW: Um, so we cleared Building 8 -- uh, left Building 8,
38 cleared Building 7 with another group of officers.
39 Um, we left Building 7 and went to Buildings 5 and
40 6, which is this building here, and building -- is
41 that -- no, I think it's --
42
43 TC: Look right here, you might get a better idea.
44
45 JW: Yeah, 'cause we left seven -- okay. So Building
46 this is 5 and Building 6. So it was yeah, it was
47 this building and part of this building here. So we
48 left 7, we partially cleared these two buildings.
49 And then, um, BSO S.W.A.T. had showed up on scene
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2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 JW: Um, so when we left Building 6, we made our way back
6 through this hallway and then in between 1 and 2.
7 And we cleared Building 2, which is the cafeteria.
8 Um, but there was some classrooms on this side as
9 well. Um, almost every single building we went
10 into, uh, the teachers and students did what -- what
11 they had been trained to do and they barricaded the
12 doors or at least locked the doors, and stayed away
13 from the doors. And they wouldn't come to the doors
14 for anybody. So we ended up having to use our ASPs,
15 break the windows out, reach in and open the doors
16 to go into the rooms.
17
18 MP: Do you recall -- other than when the first time you
19 saw, uh, BSO S.W.A.T., um, during this ordeal -- was
20 that your first time seeing them, when you went to
21 that building?
22
23 JW: Yes. Um, so when we started to clear, uh, from --
24 going from Building 7 to Building 6, that was the
25 first time that I saw BSO S.W.A.T. team.
26
27 MP: Okay.
28
29 JW: Um, they could have been there longer 'cause, uh,
30 when left Building 12, we went into Building 8 and
31 we were inside of that building, uh, for quite some
32 time clearing it. So, uh -- but when we came back
33 out, we were in the process of clearing Building 7
34 is when we noticed that they were, um, operating on
35 Building, uh
36
37 MP: Okay. So
38
39 JW: 6.
40
41 MP: as far as you knew, Building 1200 had already
42 been cleared?
43
44 JW: Yes, at that -- at that time, as far as that -- when
45 we -- when we left Building 12 to go to Building 8,
46 as far as I knew, it was already cleared at that
47 time.
48
49 MP: Okay. By who --
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2
3 MP: your agency, mixture, or --
4
5 JW: Yeah. It
6
7 MP: BSO?
8
9 JW: I don't know who all was in the building.
-- I I
10 know quite a few officers from our agency were
I
11 in the building.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 JW: Um, but I don't know if there was other officers
16 from other agencies or not that assisted.
17
18 MP: All right. And also, during this time, as you guys
19 were going, uh -- clearing the buildings, were you
20 steadily getting, um, information over the radio --
21
22 JW: Yes.
23
24 MP: -- as far as the suspect?
25
26 JW: Yes. We -- we were constantly getting information,
27 um, from our Dispatch.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 JW: I know when we made contact with BSO S.W.A.T. in
32 Building 6, uh, they had one of their S.W.A.T.
33 officers -- they were upon the second floor. One of
34 them came down and said that they were having a
35 radio issue and they weren't being -- they weren't
36 able to communicate.
37
38 MP: Okay. That was on the BSO radio channel?
39
40 JW: Yeah. He came down and told us that, "Hey, we' re
41 clearing the building since we can't communicate."
42 We -- they wanted us to like, basically leave that
43 area, um, because he said that they were having a
44 radio issue and they weren't able to communicate.
45
46 MP: Okay. Did you all have any radio, um, issues --
47
48 JW: No
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2 JW: -- uh-uh. Not that --
3
4 MP: Okay. So you were --
5
6 JW: -- I recall.
7
8 MP: Okay.
9
10 JW: I mean, it's just a lot of -- you know, 40, 50
11 people trying to talk on top of each other, but
12
13 MP: Well, yeah.
14
15 JW: -- on one channel. But, um, as for the radio going
16 down, no.
17
18 MP: Okay. Um, at what point do you -- if you could
19 recall, where you heard, um, Cruz had -- had been
20 apprehended.
21
22 JW: Um, when I learned that he was apprehended, uh, I
23 we had -- I don't remember the time frame. I was
24 still at the school. I believe we had already
25 cleared Building 2. And then after I cleared
26 Building 2, I took a security position up here on
27 the corner of Building -- the northwest corner of
28 Building 1. And I stayed there for quite a long
29 period of time, probably an hour and a half.
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 JW: And, um, I believe at that time, we had gotten word
34 that they had, um, captured him. I believe it was
35 Officer Leonard from Coconut Creek Police
36 Department, uh, had captured him in the
37 neighborhood.
38
39 MP: Okay. You have anything else on that?
40
41 TC: No. Let me transition real quick to, um
42
43 MP: Training.
44
45 TC: training.
46
47 MP: Um
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2
3 TC: I'm sorry.
4
5 MP: Go ahead.
6
7 TC: The, uh -- the training policy -- do you have a
8 policy related to an active shooter incident with
9 Coral Springs Police Department?
10
11 JW: Uh, yes. And we received training as well.
12
13 TC: Okay. We'll -- starting with the policy, what
14 what is your interpretation of the policy as it is?
15
16 JW: Uh, well, if somebody's actively killing -- if
17 you're responding to an incident where somebody is
18 in a building and they're actively killing people,
19 it's to arrive on scene and immediately address the
20 threat as fast as possible and with as much violence
21 as it takes to end the threat.
22
23 TC: Okay. And you talked about the training. How often
24 do you receive training related to active shooter
25 incidents?
26
27 JW: Um, I would say -- I mean, training that would be
28 applicable to it would be yearly. I mean --
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 JW: -- we -- we at least do something that has something
33 to do with responding to armed individuals. And
34 we're fortunate we have our range, we have our own,
35 uh -- um, indoor, uh, shooting facility. So, um,
36 you know, we get to set things up and actually do
37 scenarios that are as realistic as possible. So,
38 um, I -- I would say on a yearly basis, we do
39 training related to responding to an armed person
40 that is either armed and going to shoot, armed and
41 has already shot or is in the process of doing so.
42
43 TC: All right.
44
45 MP: Um, I think that's it for me.
46
47 TC: All right.
48
49 MP: Do you guys train with other agencies?
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1 JW: Um, I haven't trained -- like, in-service, when we
2 do --
3
4 MP: Right.
5
6 JW: -- our own training, I haven't trained with, uh --
7 with another agency besides our own fire department
8
9
10 MP: Uh-huh.
11
12 JW: -- not another law enforcement agency though.
13
14 MP: Okay.
15
16 JW: Um, I have done training on my own, you know, at
17 like, Broward College schools and stuff with
18 obviously, a mixture of other officers. But, um,
19 when we do our in-service training here, it's always
20 been us. And, um, we've done some training with
21 active shooter with the fire department. We include
22 them, um, in scenarios where we're going in and kind
23 of taking them in with us so they can treat.
24
25 MP: Other than the issues with the -- that was relayed
26 to you regarding BSO, uh, radio communications, are
27 you aware of any other issues at all from that day?
28
29 JW: Uh, no.
30
31 MP: Okay --
32
33 TC: All right.
34
35 MP: fair enough.
36
37 TC: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
38 that I either failed to ask or anything that you
39 would like to add or clarify in your statement
40 today?
41
42 JW: Nope.
43
44 TC: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
45 for providing this statement today?
46
47 JW: No.
48
49 TC: Has the information that you have provided during
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2
3 JW: Yes.
4
5 TC: Okay. The interview is concluded at 2:25 p.m.
6
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1 (INTERVIEW OF OFFICER CHAD WHITTINGTON, #EI26-0079,
2 05/14/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 BB BRANDY BURNS, FDLE
9 CH OFFICER CHAD WHITTINGTON
10
11 KR: Today's date is, uh, May the 14th, 2018. The time
12 is approximately 1:53 p.m. I'm Inspector Keith
13 Riddick of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present at this time is Brandy Burns. Location
15 of this interview is the -- is 2300 High Ridge Road,
16 Boynton Beach, Florida. I will -- will be
17 questioning Officer Chad Whittington as a witness in
18 an official FDLE investigation, Case Number
19 EI260079. I am the inspector in charge of this
20 investigation.
21
22 On February the 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott
23 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
24 response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
25 record, I would like to clarify that this is a
26 witness statement being given by you as part of the
27 investigation into the law enforcement response to
28 the MSD School shooting that occurred on February
29 the 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear
30 today and are being compelled to provide this
31 statement. Do you understand?
32
33 CH: Yes, sir.
34
35 KR: Okay. Thank you, sir. Prior to beginning this
36 interview, you should be aware of the following:
37 This interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
38 enforcement officer, I am empowered to administer
39 oaths and take statements. In a moment I will be
40 taking a sworn statement from you. We will be --
41 you will be under oath, and if you knowingly provide
42 false statements you can be criminally charged with
43 perjury. Do you understand each of these items I've
44 just informed you of?
45
46 CH: Yes.
47
48 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand, sir. Let
49 the record reflect the officer has raised his right
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1 information you're about to give today is the truth,
2 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help
3 you God?
4
5 CH: I do.
6
7 KR: All right. Thank you, sir. Please state your full
8 name, place of employment, and how long.
9
10 CH: Chad Whittington; Coral Springs Police Department;
11 approximately eight-and-a-half years.
12
13 KR: All right. Any prior law enforcement experience?
14
15 CH: No, sir.
16
17 KR: All right. Uh, what is your current position at
18 CSPD?
19
20 CH: I'm in the Street Intelligence Unit.
21
22 KR: All right. Um, were you in that capacity on
23 February the 14th?
24
25 CH: Yes, sir.
26
27 KR: All right. You were already 10-8 and at work at
28 that time?
29
30 CH: Yes, sir.
31
32 KR: All right. How did you first learn of the shooting
33 -- uh, active shooter at MSD?
34
35 CH: Uh, I was in the parking lot of the police
36 department sitting in my car and I had my portable
37 radio that we use on. And I initially heard one of
38 our detective sergeants come over the radio and
39 inquire about an active shooter at, uh, Stoneman
40 Douglas.
41
42 KR: Hmm, okay. Uh, and then what happened?
43
44 CH: Um, I left from the police department, uh, went
45 north towards, uh, Parkland where that school's
46 located. Um, parked on Hornberg Road, just north of
47 the school
48
49 KR: All right. Let me stop you right there.
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1 CH: Yes, sir.
2
3 KR: If you would, just go ahead and mark here where you
4 parked.
5
6 CH: Hmm, uh, if -- this is the incident building here if
7 I'm reading this correctly?
8
9 KR : Yes , s i r .
10
11 CH: Okay. So that would mean -- I'm assuming that is
12 the gate
13
14 KR: Uh-huh.
15
16 CH: -- so that would be right about where I parked
17 there.
18
19 KR: Okay. And -- all right. Continue on.
20
21 CH: So, uh, yeah, I parked on Hornberg where I indicated
22 there. Um, I assembled with a couple other officers
23 from my department. Uh, there was a chain-link gate
24 in front of us that was locked and closed with a
25 padlock and a chain on it.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 CH: Um, at that point, the officers that I was with, we
30 assembled and I -- I had a bolt cutter tool in my --
31 my trunk that I brought. And I retrieved that and,
32 uh, cut the gate to gain access through the gate
33 there and then proceeded to Building 12.
34
35 KR: Okay. Uh, this is going to be a little closer
36 version. So, if you would, just -- there -- I'm
37 you know, you parked here. If you show us the path
38 that you, uh, took and which end of 12 you went to.
39
40 CH: Yes, sir. Uh, let's see. So I parked, uh, I guess
41 would be the westbound lane, so right about here.
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 CH: Uh, I proceeded here to this gate, cut this gate
46 here, and then proceeded directly south, uh, to the
47 northeast corner of the building --
48
49 KR: All right.
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2
3 KR: All right. And who were the other officers with
4 you?
5
6 CH: Uh, Officer Dittman --
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 CH: -- Officer Carvalho --
11
12 KR: Uh-huh.
13
14 CH: -- and, uh, Officer Fernandes.
15
16 KR: Okay. All right. And then what happened?
17
18 CH: Um, made it to the northeast corner of Building 12.
19 Uh, Officer Carvalho and I attempted the first door
20 we came to; it was locked. So we proceeded to the
21 next door, which is the double-doors leading into
22 the hallway on the east side of the building.
23
24 KR: Uh-huh.
25
26 CH: Uh, Officer Carvalho pulled open those doors and we
27 made entry at that point with a few other officers.
28
29 KR: Okay. Uh, other CSP officers or a combination
30 thereof or
31
32 CH: The initial four that I came with, where -- we were
33 joined by -- immediately joined by two more. My
34 boss, Sergeant Kozlowski; and Officer Maclean from
35 my unit; and a handful of other CSPD officers. And
36 then there was a BSO, uh, North Lauderdale-sent
37 detective. I think his name is Jermaine -- is all I
38 know him as.
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 CH: And then there was a BSO uniformed deputy that I
43 never really caught his name, I just know it began
44 -- last name began with Van --
45
46 KR: Okay.
47
48 CH: Vanbeeks [phonetic] or Van-something.
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2 CH: Something like that, yeah. White -- white guy, I
3 think a little bit taller.
4
5 KR: Okay. Um, once you went inside, and -- and I -- I
6 commend y'all for everything that you did inside.
7 I've read it. Um, it -- it had to be rough.
8
9 CH: Uh-huh.
10
11 KR: Uh, once you got inside, did you have any
12 communications issue?
13
14 CH: No, sir.
15
16 KR: No? Okay. Uh, did you notice if anybody else had
17 any communications issue -- issues?
18
19 CH: Uh, yes, sir. A -- a -- a good while into the --
20 into the, uh, incident --
21
22 KR: Uh-huh.
23
24 CH: -- once we had cleared all the way west on the
25 ground floor. I was maintaining position on the
26 west side of the ground floor. Uh, by that time,
27 BSO SWAT team had arrived and I got upstairs. And I
28 did observe a, uh, BSO SWAT operator come down at
29 least once, maybe twice, uh, and go outside into the
30 courtyard and he was having radio problems.
31
32 KR: Okay. So could talk outside, but not inside from
33 the looks of it?
34
35 CH: I'm not even sure if he was successful outside
36 'cause he -- at one point he came back in and asked
37 me to relay something over our radio channel. I
38 can't recall directly what it was, but it would be
39 on the transcript.
40
41 KR: Okay. Um, do you recall hearing the patch go
42 through where -- when there was not just CSPD on the
43 radio anymore?
44
45 CH: No, sir.
46
47 KR: A little preoccupied?
48
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2 KR: No problem. Um --
3
4 CH: I mean, I -- I recall hearing our radio nonstop.
5
6 KR: Okay.
7
8 CH: I don't think we, you know, ever had any lost
9 communications, but I kind of didn't focus on it.
10
11 KR: Right. But you had no issues talking on it? Had no
12 issues hearing?
13
14 CH: To be honest, I don't think I ever keyed up until
15 that BSO officer asked me to -- to say something.
16
17 KR: Okay.
18
19 CH: So I -- I never keyed up for the first 30 or 45
20 minutes of the incident.
21
22 KR: Okay. All right.
23
24 CH: But when I did, I didn't have any problems.
25
26 KR: All right. Were -- while you're in there, are you
27 hearing, um, Dispatch or anybody for that -- talk
28 about where Cruz might be?
29
30 CH: Uh, yes, sir.
31
32 KR: Okay. Tell me about that.
33
34 CH: There -- there was some mixed information. I mean,
35 even leaving from the police department, I had about
36 a three-mile run, which went fairly quickly at that
37 speed. Um, but even then, I -- I had other officers
38 that were giving a description. The first officer
39 on-scene gave us a description of the building, and
40 then there was -- I don't remember -- recall who
41 gave a description of him being in an ROTC uniform.
42 Um, I was in ROTC in high school, so in my mind, I'm
43 picturing a military dress uniform. Uh, and then at
44 some point -- I don't remember who said it or when
45 -- it changed to a maroon shirt. So there was some
46 -- some confusion as to what clothing he was
47 wearing, but it in some way it was ROTC-related.
48
49 Um, and then once we were inside the incident
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1 cleared pretty much all the way to the west end of
2 the ground floor. Um, at some point someone came on
3 the radio and said that the suspect was coming down
4 the stairwell, which is right where I was, the west
5 end stairwell. I was on the ground floor, kind of
6 between the ground floor and the second floor, and
7 they said he was coming down to the second floor.
8 So we were in position where we were gonna address
9 that threat, but it -- it was, I guess, delayed or
10 misinformation.
11
12 KR: Do you remember hearing them come back later and
13 say, oh, it's a 20-minute or something?
14
15 CH: Yeah, a few minutes later I believe someone said
16 that their -- the tape was rewound or something
17 along those lines, yeah.
18
19 KR: Okay. You made a comment about the first officer on
20 the scene; told you what building it was.
21
22 CH: Yes, sir.
23
24 KR: Your first officer or
25
26 CH: Yes, sir. Uh, it was Officer Burton was our
27 first officer on-scene.
28
29 KR: Okay.
30
31 CH: And I -- I distinctly recall him describing the
32 building, which is the only reason I knew really
33 where to go.
34
35 KR: Okay. All right.
36
37 CH: I don't know that campus at all. It's not one of
38 our schools.
39
40 KR: Yes, sir. Uh, when you're in -- you're working your
41 way to the west end, are there any other units
42 coming in from the west; do you recall?
43
44 CH: Right when we made entry on the east side, the
45 um, it was hard to see, but you could see down the
46 hallway there was thick smoke.
47
48 KR: Uh-huh.
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2 officers that yelled, "Police, police, police." So
3 we knew we had a bad crossfire situation --
4
5 KR: Right.
6
7 CH: -- so, at some point, we managed to yell back and
8 forth to each other. And that group, uh,
9 immediately went upstairs --
10
11 KR: Okay.
12
13 CH: -- and left us with the ground floor.
14
15 KR: Were those CSPD, BSO, or you don't know?
16
17 CH: At the time, I did not know. I later found out who
18 they were and it was a mix of both, I believe. So
19
20
21 KR: All right. Um, and how long after you got there was
22 that?
23
24 CH: That was -- from the time I parked or from the time
25 I made entry?
26
27 KR: Uh, from the time you parked.
28
29 CH: From the time I parked -- let's see. By the time I
30 got my gear and then breached that fence; that was
31 probably a minute or two. And then by the time I
32 ran through the parking lot; another minute. Um,
33 eh, five minutes in, maybe.
34
35 KR: Okay. All right. So they -- well, we won't
36 (unintelligible) Um, when you arrived on-scene;
37 gunshots?
38
39 CH: No, sir. Never heard any.
40
41 KR: Never heard a gunshot?
42
43 CH: No, sir.
44
45 KR: Okay. Um, all right. You arrived at the -- when
46 you came to the east end of the building, did you
47 see any other officers outside already in the area?
48
49 CH: When I arrived, I came from the north. Uh, when I
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2
3 KR: Uh-huh.
4
5 CH: -- um, I looked slightly to my southeast. And I saw
6 my sergeant, Kozlowski, and my -- my partner,
7 Officer Maclean, running, um, east to west towards
8 -- basically, to meet up with me. So they came
9 right to the -- from the south, they came directly
10 towards me.
11
12 KR: All right. Can you take me --
13
14 CH: Yes, sir.
15
16 KR: You know, just your --
17
18 CH: It's a --
19
20 KR: layer of that.
21
22 CH: So -- yeah, so this is the east side here?
23
24 KR: Yes, sir.
25
26 CH: So at that point, I would have been right about here
27
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 CH: -- uh, coming from this direction.
32
33 KR : Yes , sir .
34
35 CH: And I saw those officers coming, I guess, it would
36 be like this direction.
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 CH: And they basically met up with us and make entry
41 with us.
42
43 KR: All right. Go ahead and hold onto that for a
44 second. I want to be specific now. Uh, did you see
45 anybody -- CSP, BSO, anybody -- standing in this
46 area when you got there?
47
48 CH: No, sir. The -- those two are really the only
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1 KR: Okay.
2
3 CH: And -- and then when we made entry, it was the four
4 -- me and my three guys
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 CH: -- those two that I can specifically recall 'cause
9 they're my partner and my boss. And then the ones
10 that I made entry with, like I said, were the two
11 BSO deputies, and there was, like, one of our
12 captains.
13
14 KR: Uh-huh.
15
16 CH: I don't even know where those guys came from.
17
18 KR: Okay.
19
20 CH: So they just ended up, basically, in my group here
21 at the doorway.
22
23 KR: Okay. Um, after you've -- you've cleared the
24 building, did -- where'd you go after that?
25
26 CH: Uh, so I cleared, uh, from basically east to west --
27
28 KR: Uh-huh.
29
30 CH: -- on the ground floor. Uh, went out here for --
31 uh, to check a -- a deceased body for property that
32 we needed. Um, went back into the building. At
33 some point, once BSO had pretty much cleared the
34 upper floor, um, I went out here trying to find a
35 bottle of water; couldn't find one. Went back in
36 the building and eventually, at the end of the day,
37 I ended up, uh, basically here. You want me to mark
38 it or --
39
40 KR: Yes, sir. Go ahead.
41
42 CH: So I ended up -- basically, at the very end of the
43 day I ended up here, um, helping evacuate lines of
44 kids that were coming out of this building here.
45
46 KR: Okay. Where were they sending those kids?
47
48 CH: Uh, they were coming out of -- basically, had this,
49 like, stairwell and corridor here --
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1 KR: Uh-huh.
2
3 CH: -- and then we were sending them out to, uh, I guess
4 like Pine Island and Coral Springs Drive.
5
6 KR: All right. For the record, he's talking about
7 getting them out of the 800 building --
8
9 CH: Going --
10
11 KR: and sending them --
12
13 CH: eastbound.
14
15 KR: east toward the -- the highway. Okay. So, again
16 being specific, when you made entry, you saw your
17 two partners?
18
19 CH: Uh-huh.
20
21 KR: You did not see BSO Deputy Peterson standing over
22 there?
23
24 CH: No, sir.
25
26 KR: Okay. Did you see him at any time?
27
28 CH: No, sir.
29
30 KR: Okay.
31
32 CH: I was so focused on --
33
34 KR: Yes, sir, I understand.
35
36 CH: -- this hallway here.
37
38 KR: There again, yeah, a lot of stuff going on.
39
40 CH: Yeah.
41
42 KR: All right. Um, when -- and you may have answered
43 this, but I -- if you did, I honestly missed it.
44 When you got on-scene, were there any BSO vehicles
45 parked out along where you were parking?
46
47 CH: Yes, sir. On Holmberg?
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2
3 KR: All right. Were there people out there?
4
5 CH: Yes, sir.
6
7 KR: Okay. And let me -- if you would, on this first one
8 that shows where you arrived, go ahead and just put
9 "BSO" wherever those vehicles were parked.
10
11 CH: Um, just to be more specific, let me move my circle
12 a little bit. So this is the gate that I cut there.
13
14 KR: Uh-huh.
15
16 CH: I parked in the westbound lanes --
17
18 KR: Uh-huh.
19
20 CH: -- just slightly east of that gate.
21
22 KR: Okay.
23
24 CH: And then there would have been another one in the
25 westbound lanes here, and there was two in the swale
26 just next to the gate there --
27
28 KR: Okay.
29
30 CH: -- on the right.
31
32 KR: And those were all BSO units?
33
34 CH: Uh, there was those three; yes, sir.
35
36 KR: Okay. Were those deput~es in their vehicles, at
37 their vehicles?
38
39 CH: They were out of their vehicles, sir.
40
41 KR: Okay. Um, do you know who they were; any of them?
42 Did you recognize?
43
44 CH: I can recall the -- the one here was a sergeant, and
45 then these two were just uniformed deputies.
46
47 KR: Okay.
48
49 CH: I couldn't tell ya. And and -- and to be honest,
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2
3 KR: Yeah.
4
5 CH: -- whatever his name was? He, at some point, was
6 with me way on the edge of that building. I don't
7 know where he came from, but I -- I think he might
8 have been one of the guys here.
9
10 KR: Okay.
11
12 CH: I just don't -- I can't recall.
13
14 KR: Okay. Uh, did you make any -- was there any
15 conversation between the two of you or y'all?
16
17 CH: Um, I specifically did not. When I got out of my
18 vehicle, I was a lead vehicle.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 CH: Um, Officer Fernandes parked his motorcycle directly
23 next to me. Uh, and then Dittman and Carvalho
24 parked right behind me. I got out to retrieve my
25 bolt cutters out of my trunk because I knew we were
26 gonna have to cut that fence --
27
28 KR : Yes , sir .
29
30 CH: -- 'cause if you look at me, I'm not jumping a fence
31 anytime soon. Um, so when I retrieved my bolt
32 cutters, I said to Fernandes, uh, hey, I'm gonna --
33 we're gonna have to cut that fence. And he yelled
34 to that sergeant, hey, you know, we're gonna breach
35 the fence or something to that effect.
36
37 KR: All right. But there wasn't anything about the
38 shooting, the shooter
39
40 CH: No, sir.
41
42 KR: -- any intel
43
44 CH: No, sir.
45
46 KR: -- back and forth? Okay.
47
48 CH: Nothing that I could hear.
49
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3 CH: Uh-huh.
4
5 KR: Are you SWAT also?
6
7 CH: No, sir.
8
9 KR: Okay. Uh, so outside of SWAT training, does your
10 Agency do training for active shooters?
11
12 CH: Yes, sir .
13
14 KR: Okay. How often?
15
16 CH: Yearly, pretty much. Our in-service most likely,
17 usually.
18
19 KR: Okay. When's the last time you would have done
20 that?
21
22 CH: Uh, I just had my in-service in either November or
23 September, possibly. Towards late, into the end of
24 the year. I have it -- I have it again coming up
25 this September, so it would have been --
26
27 KR: Okay. So sometime the 2017 training?
28
29 CH: Yes, sir. Late -- late in 2017.
30
31 KR: Okay. Uh, so only a few months ago?
32
33 CH: Yes, sir.
34
35 KR: What is your Agency's training -- or what does it
36 tell you to do in response to an active shooter?
37
38 CH: Um, go to the threat; address the threat. Um, we
39 basically do single-officer response at this point.
40 Not a -- kind of -- things have evolved over the
41 years.
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 CH: Um, our specific training says if we hear gunshots,
46 we go to -- directly to the gunshots, bypassing all
47 wounded. Um, if it -- if we are no longer hearing
48 gunshots, then we slow it down and do a methodical
49 clear and attempt to treat and evacuate wounded.
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2 KR: Okay. Um, how -- you know, when you said "training
3 has evolved over the years," um, how long ago do you
4 remember -- if you can, do you remember going to a
5 single-officer response incident?
6
7 CH: Phew, it's been years. Uh --
8
9 KR: Years? Okay.
10
11 CH: At -- my current boss, I think, was in the training
12 unit -- was a sergeant of a training unit, I think,
13 when we started that and that would have been, I'm
14 guesstimating, maybe five years ago.
15
16 KR: Other than the, um, SWAT guy asking you to, um,
17 relay the -- something on the information, any other
18 incidents that you can recall that, uh, indicate
19 for lack of a better word -- any communications
20 issues?
21
22 CH: I -- I can't recall. I mean, I don't know if it was
23 a -- specifically communications issue or if it was
24 just, you know, because of, you know, different --
25 different channels. But the -- when the suspect was
26 actually taken into custody, um, we heard that over
27 our channel. And BSO -- we were standing with BSO
28 SWAT on the ground floor at that point. They had
29 cleared up and then come back down --
30
31 KR : Uh - huh .
32
33 CH: -- to reevaluate where they were going next. And we
34 were hearing the traffic of the suspect being taken
35 into custody and they weren't hearing that. So we
36 -- I actually pulled my speaker mic off so they
37 could hear it out loud instead of my earpiece --
38
39 KR: Uh-huh.
40
41 CH: -- and that's how they determined that the suspect
42 was in custody.
43
44 KR: Okay. And that was a Coconut Creek officer that --
45
46 CH: Yes, sir.
47
48 KR: Okay. So so if you're hearing him, the patch
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2 CH: Either a patch or we -- uh, Coconut Creek and
3 Margate, you know, a lot of jurisdictions around us,
4 we all have channels that we all have access to.
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 CH: We can just switch over real quickly. So if I'm --
9
10 KR: So he could have had your police main?
11
12 CH: With something going on, he probably was on our
13 police main.
14
15 KR: Oh, okay.
16
17 CH: Yeah, 'cause I can switch over to Coconut Creek,
18 Fire or Police
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 CH: I can switch over to Margate, I can switch over to,
23 you know, whoever pretty much. A lot of people in
24 the county, actually, now that I think about it.
25
26 KR: Um, can you switch over to BSO?
27
28 CH: We don't have, like, their -- I don't -- well, I
29 guess that's a question -- I'm not sure 'cause we
30 used to have -- we have individual Dispatches. We
31 used to, you know, switch over to Coconut Creek's
32 Dispatch and Margate's Dispatch.
33
34 KR: Right.
35
36 CH: Now, they all share a channel. We can switch over
37 to that channel, but then we also have what we call
38 OPS channels.
39
40 KR: Uh-huh.
41
42 CH: Fourteen OPS channels --
43
44 KR: Right.
45
46 CH: -- which are, like, shared mutual aid channels. And
47 that's typically what we use when we're --
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2
3 KR: Um, what -- what channel -- what channel were you
4 operating off of?
5
6 CH: I was on the Coral Springs main the whole time.
7
8 KR: Okay. So you stayed
9
10 CH: I -- I never switched; yes, sir.
11
12 KR: -- on main and never had an issue talking and
13 listening?
14
15 CH: I was getting information as much as I needed and I
16 never had any issues talking or -- or hearing.
17
18 KR: Never told to switch to attack or anything like
19 that, if you -- if you recall?
20
21 CH: If I -- if I was, I didn't hear it.
22
23 KR: No problem. Did you hear anybody else you know,
24 your people, and even after, talk about
25 communications issues or anything?
26
27 CH: Just in the days and weeks after. Not anything
28 irmnediate.
29
30 KR: Um, well, what did they say?
31
32 CH: Um, at -- at one point, someone had -- we -- I heard
33 someone say that there was a patch that they tried
34 to patch and it failed or it didn't patch properly.
35 Or, um, you know, uh, people obviously talk about
36 BSO's system, they said, crashing, which I
37 understand it wasn't crashed, which tends to happen
38 every now and then. But, um, as far as our channel,
39 we didn't have any communications issues that I know
40 of, but I just know that they said they had issues
41 patching with BSO and that their system was not
42 working properly.
43
44 KR: Okay. Any questions for him?
45
46 BB: Who was saying that? That it wasn't
47
48 CH: Just officers around the department. You know,
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2 BB: Right.
3
4 CH: -- trying to figure out what was going on, you know,
5 there was people saying, you know, oh, BSO's radio
6 crashed. And --
7
8 BB: Uh-huh.
9
10 CH: -- I guess and through news articles and everything
11 over the coming weeks, it was determined it didn't
12 crash where they couldn't hear or see. It was just
13 basically the throttling that kicks in.
14
15 KR: Right.
16
17 BB: Right.
18
19 CH: So --
20
21 KR: But y'all had no issues with throttling, as far as
22 you know?
23
24 CH: No. And from my perspective, I -- I could hear
25 everything the whole time. I heard suspect
26 descriptions, suspect taken into custody, building
27 description. I mean, the vital information I
28 needed, I -- I got it when I was -- when I was
29 focused on it.
30
31 KR: And I know that you -- uh, you said you didn't use
32 yours till 30, 45 minutes --
33
34 CH: Yeah.
35
36 KR: -- into this.
37
38 CH: I never keyed up to put myself on-scene, I never put
39 myself en route. I mean, it was just too much going
40 on.
41
42 BB: Uh-huh.
43
44 CH: And, uh, I think the first time probably that I
45 keyed up, that I can recall, was just, like I said,
46 towards the end; 30, 40 minutes in. The BSO guy
47 said, hey -- I'm trying to recall what he told me to
48 relay. I'm sure it would be in the radio
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2
3 KR: That's all right. Don't --
4
5 BB: That's fine.
6
7 KR: -- you know, try and guess. It's understandable.
8 Um, but there again, from that point on even, if you
9 had to -- to key up to say something, you had no
10 issue ever talking or -- or anything like that?
11
12 CH: No.
13
14 KR: Okay. Let me look at my --
15
16 CH: And now -- now that -- now that I think about it
17 also, though, the group of guys I was with --
18 Officer Fernandes, I -- I know he was on the radio.
19 Like, he basically kind of was more on the radio
20 than I -- than I was, obviously. And he was running
21 right with me and I remember hearing him on the
22 radio, so.
23
24 KR: So you -- just to reiterate real quick --
25
26 CH: Sure.
27
28 KR: -- reiterate real quick, you heard the Detective
29 Sergeant call out -- I mean, 'cause I think he heard
30 it on a -- a Fire channel, so he went to Police main
31 and said
32
33 CH: My -- my understanding is he actually had a fire
34 chief run by him
35
36 KR: That's right; he did.
37
38 CH: in the hallway.
39
40 KR: He did. That's right; he did.
41
42 CH: So -- so he keyed up on our main channel to say --
43
44 KR: What's up?
45
46 CH: -- what's the deal with this?
47
48 KR: Right. Okay. So he left there; you responded?
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2 KR: You got to 97 --
3
4 CH: Uh-huh.
5
6 KR: -- and the first information that you're being told
7 about it, specifically, are coming -- is coming from
8 Burton, correct?
9
10 CH: Yes, sir. I actually heard that before I arrived.
11 I -- I -- as I was coming northbound on, uh, Cool
12 Springs Drive/Pine Island -- same thing --
13
14 KR: Yeah.
15
16 CH: Uh, as I was coming northbound, probably before I
17 even hit the Sawgrass, which is the barrier from our
18 city to theirs --
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 CH: -- to Parkland, uh, I remember Officer Burton
23 describing the building and saying it was on the
24 north side of campus. And that's when I made my
25 my decision. 'Cause normally I would go into the
26 front of the school --
27
28 BB: Uh-huh.
29
30 CH: -- which is -- faces east.
31
32 KR: Right.
33
34 CH: Um, and ·I remember thinking he said it's on the
35 north side of the school, so I consciously made the
36 decision to go north and then go left and make -- go
37 westbound on Holmberg to put myself on the north
38 side.
39
40 KR: Okay. So all that's coming to you before you ever
41 get there?
42
43 CH: Yes, sir .
44
45 KR: All right. Uh, did you hear Burton go 10-97, or do
46 you recall?
47
48 CH: I couldn't -- I don't recall.
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2 there --
3
4 CH: Yes, sir. Well -- standing -- crouched. Well, they
5 were
6
7 KR: Right, they were --
8
9 CH: using -- yeah.
10
11 KR: they were using their cars for cover?
12
13 CH: Yes, sir.
14
15 KR: Okay. All right. Um, weapons drawn?
16
17 CH: As far as I recall; yes, sir.
18
19 KR: Okay. Uh, you didn't converse with them, and as far
20 as you know, um, it was just a real quick, "hey,
21 we' re getting ready to breach" conversation?
22
23 CH: Yeah, and I said to Fernandes, "Hey, I'm gonna
24 breach it." You know, I had the bolt cutters. He
25 said, "Hey, we're gonna breach it." I don't think
26 the sergeant ever even responded. I mean, I don't
27 recall hearing anything. Um, and I kind of just
28 used the indicator of, you know, they're facing that
29 way towards that building --
30
31 KR: Uh-huh.
32
33 CH: -- so that must be the building we need to go to.
34 In conjunction with what Burton said; it being on
35 the north side. I think if I remember correctly,
36 Officer Burton actually specifically said, "It's a
37 three-story building" --
38
39 KR: Right.
40
41 CH: -- which is different than most of the buildings --
42
43 KR: Yes. Yeah, it's --
44
45 CH: -- on that campus. So between the "three-story" and
46 their -- that's the one they're facing, that was
47 kind of my cue of we gotta go there.
48
49 KR: Okay. And then you -- you responded, you swept, and
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2 CH: Yes, sir.
3
4 KR: -- of the 800 building and everything else probably
5 went out behind that?
6
7 CH: Kind of just mulling -- mulling around towards that
8 part of the day. At that point, we were a couple of
9 hours in, so I was pretty exhausted.
10
11 BB: Hmm.
12
13 KR: I understand. Uh, in regards to this investigation,
14 is there anything that I either failed to ask or
15 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
16 your statement today?
17
18 CH: No, sir.
19
20 KR: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
21 for providing this statement today?
22
23 CH: No, sir.
24
25 KR: All right. Has the information that you provided
26 during this interview been the truth to the best of
27 your knowledge or recollection?
28
29 CH: Yes, sir.
30
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT STEPHAN WEISING)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
7 LN SAS LUIS NEGRETE
8 SW SERGEANT STEPHAN WEISING
9
10
11 RB: The date is May 14, 2018. The time is approximately
12 4:47 p.m. I am Inspector Randy Brown of the Office
13 of Executive Investigations. Also present at this
14 time is SAS Luis Negrete. The location of this
15 interview is 2300 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach,
16 Florida. I will be questioning, uh, Sergeant
17 Stephan Weising as a witness in an official FDLE
18 Investigation Case Number EI-26-0079. Inspector
19 Keith Riddick is, uh, the inspector in charge of
20 this investigation.
21
22 On February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
26 being given by you as part of the investigation into
27 the law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
28 Douglas school shooting that occurred on February
29 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
30 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
31 Do you understand that?
32
33 SW: I do.
34
35 RB: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
36 should be aware of the following. This interview is
37 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
38 I am empowered to administer oaths and take
39 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
40 statement from you. You will be under oath and, if
41 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
42 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
43 each of the items I have just informed you of?
44
45 SW: I do.
46
47 RB: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
48 or affirm the information you are about to give
49 today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
50 the truth, so help you God?

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2 SW: I do.
3
4 RB: Thank you, sir. You may put your hand down. Please
5 state your, uh, full name.
6
7 SW: Stephan Wei sing.
8
9 RB: And, your current place of employment?
10
11 SW: The City of Coral Springs. Coral Springs Police
12 Department.
13
14 RB: How long, um, have you been employed by Coral
15 Springs PD?
16
17 SW: Since January of 1997.
18
19 RB: Okay. And, in what capacity do you currently serve?
20
21 SW: I'm a patrol supervisor.
22
23 RB: Okay. Um, how long have you been in, uh, law
24 enforcement as a whole?
25
26 SW: As a whole, prior to Coral Springs, six years in New
27 Jersey.
28
29 RB: Okay.
30
31 SW: Uh, so, uh, almost 2 8 years.
32
33 RB: Okay. Um, how did you hear, or first hear, of the
34 active shooter situation at Stoneman Douglas?
35
36 SW: So, uh, I was on duty. I was working. I was in my
37 -- in my patrol car. And, um, I was at -- on Sample
38 Road, right at the corner of Coral Springs Drive. I
39 was getting -- getting ready to go to -- back to the
40 police department. Um, I heard over the radio, I
41 heard, um, Sergeant Reed, Bill Reed, get on the
42 radio and he broadcast to Dispatch, and it's gonna
43 be verbatim, um, he said, "Dispatch, are you aware
44 of an active shooter at Marjory --" at, um, at "--
45 at Douglas High School?" Either Marjory Stoneman or
46 Douglas High School?
47
48 RB: Okay.
49
50 SW: So, um, right when I heard that, I got into my

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1 truck. I -- I keep my rifle behind my back seat. I
2 got into my truck. I put my seats down. The light
3 turned green, and I saw another -- I saw Detective
4 Monzon next to me. And, I -- I kind of motioned to
5 him, I said, "Did you hear that?" He's, like,
6 "Yeah." So, we both immediately responded from
7 there. We went north on Coral Springs Drive and
8 then, uh, we're up to the school.
9
10 RB: Okay. And so, from the time that you heard that
11 until the time of your arrival at the school,
12 approximately how long do you think --
13
14 SW: It
15
16 RB: that was?
17
18 SW: it -- it's only about two miles.
19
20 RB: Okay.
21
22 SW: So, from Sample Road, I go to -- I go to Wiles Road,
23 which is a block, which is about a mile. Um, about
24 another block is up to Westview, which is by the
25 Sawgrass. Um, and, from there, I was there. I went
26 up to Holmberg Road.
27
28 RB: Okay. Um, were you made aware of any new
29 information, um, in that period of time?
30
31 SW: So, while I was responding, um, Dispatch had given
32 some information of, I believe, it was a suspect
33 near a canal bank. Uh, and then, I was made aware
34 that the incident, the shooting that was taking
35 place, was at the 1200 Building. Um, and, which is,
36 um, I'll just show you here on --
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 SW: -- map number -- on Map 2. It's the building on
41 the, uh, northeast side of the school complex. So,
42 it would be, um, Holmberg Road -- at the corner of
43 Holmberg Road and Coral Springs Drive.
44
45 LN: Do you mind marking where you arrived when you --
46
47 SW: Yeah, sure. So, I -- I drove north on Coral Springs
48 Drive, which is right here -- or Pine Island
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2 SW: -- and, Pine Island and Coral Springs Drive is the
3 same road. So, I drove north. There was a bunch of
4 traffic clogged up here because it was school -- uh,
5 I believe it was parents picking up their kids. So,
6 um, I drove north. I went up on the sidewalk, uh,
7 it was the best way to get around. The -- the
8 sidewalk on the north side of Holmberg -- I came
9 down the sidewalk and, um, I ended up -- I came off
10 the sidewalk and then I ended up right in front of
11 the median, um, right here where I just drew this
12 circle.
13
14 LN: Okay.
15
16 SW: Um, I pulled right here. There was a BSO car right
17 next to me. Right right here. So, I pulled up
18 right next to him. Which is on the north side, um,
19 of the school on Holmberg Road. And, I was just
20 east of this -- it looked like a main gate entrance
21 I saw. Um, but, when I pulled up, I didn't -- I
22 really didn't pay attention to the gate entrances.
23 I just saw his -- his car, the BSO car, and I -- I
24 pulled up right next to it.
25
26 LN: Okay.
27
28 RB: Okay. Um, what did you do next?
29
30 SW: So, I got out of my car; um, I didn't have a chance
31 to get my rifle out. So, um, there's two things I
32 always carry with me. Or, not always, but, in an
33 incident like this, I have, um, I have a, uh, plate
34 carrier that I carry, and I have -- has a pouch that
35 has extra magazines and, like, a med kit, like extra
36 blood stopper and tourniquet, and stuff like that.
37 So, I threw that over. Um, I grabbed my rifle, uh,
38 and, in that meantime, um, I didn't say anything to
39 the deputy. Uh, the deputy did -- he got on his
40 radio and he said, um, "I'm out here with a Coral
41 Springs sergeant." Um, either, "I'm out here with a
42 Coral Springs sergeant," or "A Coral Springs
43 sergeant just showed up," one of those two -- two
44 things.
45
46 RB: Uh-huh.
47
48 SW: But, uh, he definitely got on the radio and -- and
49 broadcast that. Um, I didn't say a word to him. I
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1 this gate right here. So, um, first thing I thought
2 to myself, oh boy, I should've parked closer, you
3 know? Because I was gonna have to catch up to him.
4
5 RB: Uh-huh.
6
7 SW: Um, so, what I did was I just ran from my car once I
8 got my vest on, over this thing, um, because this --
9 these vests don't have plate carriers. I ran, um,
10 right up to -- down this driveway and then, if this
11 is the 1200 Building?
12
13 LN: Yes.
14
15 SW: This -- I found out later on, is the 1300 Building.
16 I didn't know that at the time. I just knew where
17 the 1200 Building was. Uh, I ran right between
18 these two buildings. Right underneath, there's like
19 a, uh, there's, like, a roof --
20
21 RB: Uh-huh.
22
23 SW: -- over the walkway. Um, so, I was right here. Uh,
24 the first thing that I noticed when I looked up, and
25 I did get on my radio, um, I noticed the, uh, the
26 bullet holes in the third floor window. So, yeah,
27 so, I got on the radio and I said, "Hey, I don't
28 know if -- I don't know if he's on an elevated, uh,
29 position." I broadcast that. Just broadcast it
30 out. I said, "Hey, I don't know. There's bullet
31 holes in the third floor window. I don't know if
32 he's on an--" on an, you know, "--elevated
33 position. Just, you know, keep a lookout."
34
35 RB: Uh-huh.
36
37 SW: So, right at that point, we really didn't have
38 intelligence as to where anybody was -- the shooter,
39 I'm talking about. Um, so, I remember, from this
40 point, I looked over and I saw -- there was a body
41 on the ground, um, ending up being Coach Feis. Um,
42 found out that later. And, I saw, um, another
43 coach, who I -- I ended up finding out was another
44 coach. I just, kind of, assumed it was a teacher at
45 that time. He was being carried out and he was put
46 on the -- on the back of a, uh, a golf cart. I said
47 something to him, but I -- I don't remember what I
48 said. Um, so, from there, I don't know how much
49 time I spent here. But, I -- I remember there was
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1 if he was in -- in full uniform or if he was in,
2 like, tac gear, but I remember grabbing his belt and
3 I said, "Hey, listen, I'm behind you. Let me pie
4 this building," which is the 1300 Building. So, I
5 just wanted to peek around this real quick, make
6 sure it was clear. Once I did that, I turned around
7 and Detective Monzon was now standing -- and, I'm
8 pointing to the west side of the 1200 Building here.
9
10 RB: Uh-huh.
11
12 SW: Um, Detective Monzon was standing on the -- right
13 outside the doorway. And, I looked at him, I said,
14 "Hey, is it clear to come over?" And, he was, like,
15 "Yeah, come on over." So, I -- I went to him and
16 that's where I married up with, um, Detective
17 Mazzei, Scott Myers -- Detective Myers -- um, uh,
18 Fahey, Chris Clark, Dittelman, and Paul Murray. Uh,
19 so, once we got to this doorway here, the other team
20 was entering on the other side of the building. Uh,
21 I forget what communication was going on between --
22 it was, uh, Captain Mock and Sergeant Mazzei, um,
23 but we decided to go up to the second floor at that
24 point.
25
26 RB: Okay. Um, when you were -- well, to, kind of, bring
27 you back just a little --
28
29 SW: Right.
30
31 RB: And, you arrived, um, and you made your way over
32 through the parking lot and into Building 12, um,
33 you said you didn't have any interaction with the
34 the BSO guy --
35
36 SW: No.
37
38 RB: -- other than what you heard him say on the radio?
39
40 SW: No. He was posted up behind his car up here.
41
42 RB: Okay.
43
44 SW: Um, and I just
45
46 LN: Any reason why not?
47
48 SW: Uh, I don't know. I know who he is.
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2 SW: You know, I've -- I've dealt with him before.
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4 LN: Okay.
5
6 SW: He's a sergeant up there in Parkland.
7
8 LN: What's his name?
9
10 SW: Uh, I don't know his name.
11
12 LN: Okay.
13
14 SW: You -- you know, if you were to tell me, I'd say,
15 yeah, okay. If I say him, I'd be, like, oh, yeah,
16 that's the guy.
17
18 RB: Yeah. Okay.
19
20 SW: You know? Um, but he -- yeah, he was -- he was
21 here. I recognized him. You know, I've dealt him -
22
23
24 LN: Uh-huh.
25
26 SW: -- you know, in the past. Uh, so, uh, I really
27 didn't say anything. I was just, kind of, you know,
28 involved with what was going on in the area and, I,
29 uh, so
30
31 RB: Sure. Did you see -- and, you mentioned there was
32 another, um, Coral Springs sergeant --
33
34 SW: Yeah.
35
36 RB: that you saw coming in?
37
38 SW: So, . it was -- it was Sergeant Myers.
39
40 RB: Okay.
41
42 SW: I saw him running this way. So, I -- I knew I had
43 to book to catch up with him.
44
45 RB: Okay.
46
47 SW: So, I really didn't think about him.
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49 RB: Did you see any other law enforcement officers at
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3
4 RB: No. So --
5
6 SW: Monzon was right behind me. So, I don't know where
7 Monzon -- Monzon is the one that I, kind of --
8
9 RB: Right. The detective?
10
11 SW: -- flagged at Coral Springs and --
12
13 RB: Yeah.
14
15 SW: Yeah. So, I don't know where he came up. Um, but I
16 know I -- it -- it took me a second to get my my
17 stupid vest buckled up. But, by that time, I -- I
18 saw Myers and that's where I ran up to here.
19
20 RB: Okay. So, um, you arrived outside of here, and, um,
21 you said there was a discussion between who's going
22 to clear floor one and two?
23
24 SW: Yeah. So, once we got inside this doorway, uh,
25 Mazzei was in front of everybody and he's, like
26 he was on the radio with Captain Mock. And, I
27 think, I believe Mock said, "Hey, listen," um -- .
28 Now, I don't know if there was intelligence at the
29 time, um, but we decided to go to the second floor
30 because nobody had gone up there, yet. So, we were
31 the first team to get to the second floor. Uh, when
32 we -- we tactically cleared the stairwell. Once we
33 got around the stairwell, um, got up to the second
34 floor, that's where I instructed, uh, Officer Clark,
35 Chris Clark, and Officer Fahey, to cover the third
36 floor stairwell because we were gonna make entry
37 into the -- so, the stairwell is -- is pretty much
38 separate from the hallways.
39
40 LN: Uh-huh.
41
42 RB: Uh-huh.
43
44 SW: So, before we made entry into the hallway -- so,
45 we'd be on the west side now --
46
47 LN: Okay.
48
49 SW: -- of the building. So, right here on the second
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3
4 SW: Yeah. Covering eastbound.
5
6 LN: Would that -- and, I'm just pointing to --
7
8 SW: Oh, perfect.
9
10 LN: -- Building 3. I mean, Map 3.
11
12 SW: Got it. Got it. Right.
13
14 LN: Okay.
15
16 SW: So, if this is the -- you could see the stairwell
17 right here.
18
19 LN: Uh-huh.
20
21 RB: Uh-huh.
22
23 SW: Um, I had Fahey and Clark cover up to the third
24 floor, just to prevent anybody from coming down on
25 us.
26
27 RB: Uh-huh.
28
29 SW: Um, cover that, uh, cover our back while we entered
30 this, um, this second floor hallway right here. And,
31 it was that point that we actually started clearing
32 some classrooms. So, we cleared, I believe, these
33 two. Um, there was another -- and, I recognized him
34 as a baseball coach. He was in this second one. I
35 got him out. And then, we kind of got bottled up
36 here. Uh, and I'm -- about a third of the way down.
37 Um, and, that's where we started getting intel that
38 -- that the shooter was on -- either on the third or
39 second floor. So, we were the recipients of that
40 bad intelligence. And, which I found out later on
41 was -- was a 20-minute delay.
42
43 LN: Uh-huh.
44
45 RB: Uh-huh.
46
47 SW: Um, you know, so -- so, we were kind of staged up
48 here, um, preparing to engage somebody either on the
49 third floor or the second floor. Um, and then,
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1 intel, we ended up just clearing the rest of these
2 classrooms.
3
4 RB: Okay. After you finished clearing the floor, um,
5 what was next?
6
7 SW: Uh, I -- I communicated a couple times here because
8 we started evacuating kids out of these classrooms.
9
10 RB: Uh-huh.
11
12 SW: Um, that -- I -- I needed more guys to come up here
13 to, kind of, help funnel them out. So, when I went
14 from here, I -- Mazzei and I, we kind of spoke,
15 we're like, hey, let's make ourselves useful because
16 we didn't, you know, we really were of no use here
17 anymore. So, we just went down and we just helped
18 escort kids.
19
20 LN: Uh-huh.
21
22 SW: Because the second floor was unloading at the same
23 time also.
24
25 RB: Okay.
26
27 SW: So, we went down here, um, to the first floor, the
28 westside doorway. And, we just helped the kids get
29 out, the kids and teachers, get out that way.
30
31 RB: Okay. Um, at any point during your response,
32 whether you were driving or once you got on foot and
33 approached the building, um, did you observe or
34 experience any radio issues?
35
36 SW: No, I didn't.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 SW: No, none at all. Uh, I mean, we -- it was just
41 Coral Springs', uh, radio that I was on. And, I
42 don't recall if or when we got patched. I don't
43 know if that was -- because they -- my focus wasn't
44 on that, really. So, I I couldn't tell if
45 anybody else was on our -- on our channel.
46
47 RB: Okay.
48
49 SW: But, I didn't experience any radio problems.
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1 RB: Okay. Um, during your approach, did -- or while in
2 the building or anything else, did you ever hear any
3 gunshot fired?
4
5 SW: No.
6
7 RB: Um, did you ever exit the eastside of, uh, Building
8 1200?
9
10 SW: No.
11
12 RB: No. Okay. So, you wouldn't -- um, you would not
13 have observed anything that was going on with any
14 law enforcement --
15
16 SW: No.
17
18 RB: -- personnel outside --
19
20 SW: No.
21
22 RB: -- on the east side?
23
24 SW: No, sir.
25
26 RB: Okay. All right. Um, I, kind of, want to switch
27 gears a little bit and, um, does your agency have an
28 active shooter policy?
29
30 SW: Yeah, we train active shooter.
31
32 RB: Okay. Um, that was actually my next question.
33
34 SW: Well, quite often, yeah.
35
36 RB: Um, how -- how often?
37
38 SW: Yeah. Um, at -- a yearly in-service.
39
40 RB: Okay.
41
42 SW: We do it. Um, and, it's pretty much, we gear our
43 equipment towards active shooter. I mean, we carry
44 QuikClot tourniquet, um, you know, and not just to
45 active shooter calls. But, we've used this stuff on
46 -- on other mass casualty calls as well. Uh, so,
47 you know, not only with the training but, you know,
48 we -- we do quarterly firearms as well. And, they
49 kind of -- they kind of mesh together. You know, we
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2 yeah, we do. It's yearly in-service.
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4 RB: Okay.
5
6 SW: It's it's pretty much -- and, we've been doing
7 that for years.
8
9 RB: Do you recall the last time that you participated in
10 an agency, um, active shooter training?
11
12 SW: It was -- yeah. So, the later months of 2017. So,
13 they run in-service -- we, kind of, have to cycle
14 the whole 200 people of our police department
15 through so it takes several months to do that. So,
16 it starts, it's going on right now, and i t ' l l go all
17 the way until October, November at least.
18
19 RB: Okay.
20
21 SW: But, it was, like, just November of last year that I
22 did it.
23
24 RB: How is, um, how does that training, um, instruct you
25 to respond in an active shooter situation?
26
27 SW: Well, uh, the way that we do it -- and, we actually
28 do it very well. We use role players. Um, you
29 know, we will go from receiving the call. You know,
30 we'll -- we'll -- we'll park offsite. Um, you know,
31 and we'll receive the call from our Dispatch. Uh,
32 we'll respond with a partner. Um, we have done
33 we've practiced lone response as well. Uh, so, uh,
34 but, most of the time, we're partnered up. Uh, and,
35 we'll respond to an active shooter. Uh, we'll have
36 to enter a building. Um, watch for any witnesses,
37 victims, um, that type of thing. So, they try to
38 make it as realistic as possible.
39
40 RB: Um, more specifically, how does it instruct you once
41 you arrive on the scene as -- as to what to do?
42 What is the protocol?
43
44 SW: The first thing you have to do is eliminate the
45 shooter. That's first and foremost. Because you
46 really can't, you know, that -- that has to be step
47 one. Because you really can't start treating
48 somebody until that -- that threat is eliminated.
49 So, that has, pretty much, been ingrained in our
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2 RB: Is that response, um, is it specific to, uh, you as
3 an individual if you're the first person on scene?
4 Is there any guidance as to what to do as an
5 individual versus what to do as a group? And, by
6 that, I mean, does it instruct you to go in if
7 you're by yourself? Or, does it instruct you to
8 wait for other individuals to respond --
9
10 SW: No, you don't wait.
11
12 RB: -- and they go in?
13
14 SW: No. They've actually specifically trained lone --
15 lone entry. I mean, if you're there and you hear an
16 active shooter situation, you go. Um, you know, I
17 can direct you the -- direct you to the specific
18 person who instructed that, you know? The training
19 unit's not very big. But, that's, um, we have been
20 trained that as a -- as a lone response.
21
22 RB: Okay.
23
24 SW: Yeah.
25
26 RB: Any anything?
27
28 LN: No.
29
30 RB: Um, in regards to this investigation, is there
31 anything that either I've failed to ask or anything
32 that you would like to add or clarify in your
33 statement today?
34
35 SW: No. I -- I don't think so. I don't think there was
36 anything. Uh, no. No.
37
38 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
39 providing this statement today?
40
41 SW: No.
42
43 RB: Has the information that you provided during this
44 interview been the truth to the best of your
45 knowledge or recollection?
46
47 SW: Yes.
48
49 RB: This interview is concluded at approximately 5:06
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1 (INTERVIEW OF BRYAN WILKINS)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
7 LN SAS LUIS NEGRETE
8 SM ATTORNEY STEPHEN MELNICK
9 BW OFFICER BRYAN WILKINS
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12 RB: The date is May 15, 2018. The time is approximately
13 1:32 p.m. I am Inspector Randy Brown of the Office
14 of Executive Investigations. Also present at this
15 time is SAS Luis Negrete. And, sir, if you would
16 state your name.
17
18 SM: Steve Melnick, Attorney for the FOP.
19
20 RB: The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
21 Road, Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning
22 -- if you would, Mr. Wilkins?
23
24 BW: Officer Bryan Wilkins. That's spelled W-I-L-K-I-N-
25 s.
26
27 RB: All right. As a witness in an official FDLE
28 Investigation Case Number EI-26-0079, Inspector
29 Keith Riddick is the Inspector in charge of this
30 investigation. On February 25, 2018, Governor Rick
31 Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
32 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
33 For the record, I would like to clarify that this is
34 a witness statement being given by you as part of
35 the investigation into the law enforcement response
36 to the Marjory Stoneman Douglas School shooting that
37 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
38 subpoenaed to appear today and you are being
39 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
40 understand?
41
42 BW: Yes, sir, I do.
43
44 RB: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
45 aware of the following. This interview is being
46 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
47 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
48 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement --
49 statement from you. You will be under oath and, if
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1 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
2 each of the items I have just informed you of?
3
4 BW: Yes, sir.
5
6 RB: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
7 or affirm the information you are about to give
8 today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
9 the truth, so help you God?
10
11 BW: So help me God.
12
13 RB: Thank you. Please again state your full name.
14
15 BW: Bryan, that's spelled B-R-Y-A-N, Lee, L-E-E,
16 Wilkins, W-I-L-K-I-N-S.
17
18 RB: And, what is your current place of employment?
19
20 BW: Coral Springs Police Department.
21
22 RB: How long have you served there?
23
24 BW: Five-and-a-half years.
25
26 RB: And, uh, in what capacity do you currently serve?
27
28 BW: Um, I serve it as a patrolman and as an FTO officer.
29
30 RB: Okay. And, uh, how long have you been in law
31 enforcement?
32
33 BW: Uh, this October will be exactly 20 years.
34
35 RB: Thank you. Uh, I want to take you back to February
36 14, 2018. Um, how did you first hear of the active
37 shooter situation at Stoneman Douglas?
38
39 BW: Uh, I was exiting briefing. Uh, my start time is
40 1400 hours. As I was coming out the briefing doors
41 and I made a left to go use the urinal, a fireman
42 who -- I can't tell you who he was -- said there is
43 an active shooter at Douglas High School. I
44 immediately turned around, starting -- heading back
45 toward, um, the exterior doors to our undercover
46 parking lot where my car is parked. Got onto 2
47 channel, which is our information channel, and
48 asked, "Do we have an active shooter at Douglas?"
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1 RB: When you heard that information, what did you do
2 next?
3
4 BW: I knew something was wrong. Got in my car. Put my,
5 uh, put the car on. Give me a second.
6
7 RB: It' s okay.
8
9 BW: Went out the north gates and started screaming up
10 Coral Springs Drive because she had told me we have
11 an active shooter. Honestly, I was probably doing
12 about 80 miles an hour. Got up -- Coral Springs
13 goes into Pine Island. I had never, ever been at
14 that high school in my five-and-a-half years I've
15 been there. Never walked the grounds. Did a U-turn
16 at the underpass by the Sawgrass about a month
17 earlier. That was the farthest I had ever gone up
18 there, okay? And, I just looked at that high
19 school. Something came over me, man. I said, "Man,
20 this place doesn't look right." And, I didn't think
21 of nothing of it until this day, okay? And, the day
22 of the shooting.
23
24 Okay, so, went up, went into Pine Island.1 and made a
25 left onto Holmberg. And, went about, uh, three-
26 quarters down. Now, obviously, we were receiving
27 transmissions from Officer Burton, uh, describing,
28 um, where he had believed the shooter was. He
29 described the third -- the third story building,
30 which, you guys gotta understand, that was key. His
31 information to us, especially to me, not ever even
32 being there, was key, okay? Looking at that campus,
33 I knew exactly where I needed to go. And, I made
34 the left onto Holmberg, got out, and I started doing
35 my business.
36
37 LN: So, came down, looking at Map 2, just --
38
39 BW: Yes, Map 2.
40
41 LN: Took a left from Pine Island?
42
43 BW: Yes.
44
45 LN: And and
46
47 BW: And headed -- headed west onto Holmberg and I got
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2 BW: It's easier to describe to you exactly where I
3 parked.
4
5 LN: Uh-huh.
6
7 BW: I parked right here.
8
9 LN: Okay. Outstanding.
10
11 BW: Where I parked. I remember a deputy being here,
12 which is at the intersection of Pine Island -- a BSO
13 deputy.
14
15 LN: Uh-huh.
16
17 BW: At the exit -- intersection of Pine Island and
18 Holmberg. And, I swore, I remember passing -- there
19 were -- there was one deputy here, which would be in
20 the northeast parking lot on Holmberg.
21
22 LN: You can mark it if you want.
23
24 BW: I remember one being here. And, I remember two
25 being here. One of these, I can't tell you which
26 one, was a boss. A sergeant.
27
28 LN: Okay. And, you parked next to them?
29
30 BW: And, I parked in front of them.
31
32 LN: Okay.
33
34 BW: I actually went around them and parked in front of
35 them. Closest to this gate.
36
37 LN: Okay.
38
39 BW: There's a gate -- there's a gate here.
40
41 LN: To --
42
43 BW: This gate.
44
45 LN: -- closer to the 13 Building?
46
47 BW: Right. Correct. And, this gate was open.
48
49 LN: All right.
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1 BW: Okay? This -- this roadway, okay? And, like I
2 said, I had gotten out and started to -- got my
3 my tactical gear on. Grabbed my AR-15 and started
4 making my way in.
5
6 LN: All right.
7
8 RB: Did you have any interaction with the deputies when
9 you got out of your vehicle, before you started to
10 make your approach in?
11
12 BW: These two, and this one, no. There was already a
13 deputy inside the chain link fence that was, uh, had
14 picked up a position behind a tree, okay? I hooked
15 up with Detective Monzon in this area right here,
16 right as soon as you would hit the parking lot,
17 coming through the chain link fence, okay? Behind
18 Building 12 and 1300, okay? We -- we don't --
19
20 LN: Was the detective also running --
21
22 BW: Yeah.
23
24 LN: -- towards?
25
26 BW: Yeah. Yeah.
27
28 RB: Okay.
29
30 BW: He was in front of me by about a foot, about a foot-
31 and-a-half.
32
33 LN: Okay.
34
35 BW: Okay? I got right on his heels, okay? And, we
36 started making our way. In this area, between these
37 two -- between this parking lot and this roadway,
38 there's a set of trees.
39
40 RB: Uh-huh.
41
42 BW: Okay? He had take -- that deputy had taken up cover
43 behind one of those trees.
44
45 RB: If you wouldn't mind marking that on there?
46
47 LN: Yeah.
48
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1 RB: So, did you speak with that deputy at all, or have
2 any interaction with him?
3
4 BW: Detective Monzon had some words with him, trying to
5 get information, intel, of what was going on. I
6 said to him, "Where is he at," meaning where is this
7 shooter at? And, I swore this gentleman told me
8 he's on the third floor because I was watching him,
9 and he had that rifle trained on that third floor.
10
11 LN: Okay.
12
13 BW: Okay? And, all I remember is my eyes got this big
14 because I saw all those bullet holes in those
15 windows on that third floor.
16
17 LN: On --
18
19 BW: What would
20
21 LN: -- the north side?
22
23 BW: What would have been, now knowing --
24
25 LN: Okay.
26
27 BW: -- is where the, um, faculty cafeteria --
28
29 LN: Uh-huh.
30
31 BW: -- is
32
33 RB: Okay.
34
35 BW: On the third floor.
36
37 RB: Uh-huh.
38
39 BW: I saw those windows all shot to shit.
40
41 LN: Okay.
42
43 BW: Okay. So, we -- he said something very stupid,
44 okay? That's not reflected in my report.
45
46 LN: Which is?
47
48 BW: Okay. Which is, we all can't stand behind this
49 tree, we're gonna get shot.
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1 RB: The deputy said that to you?
2
3 BW: That's what he said, that to me.
4
5 LN: Okay.
6
7 BW: Okay? And, I remember him, saying to myself, "Gil,
8 we gotta move."
9
10 LN: Do you remember what deputy it was?
11
12 BW: I don't remember.
13
14 LN: Okay.
15
16 BW: You can drop any of these guys -- you can drop the
17 guy -- the deputy that was in me, with me, who was
18 inside, I have no clue. I had such tunnel vision
19 going on. We -- we all discussed this after. We
20 all had tunnel vision. And -- and I don't know if -
21 - if it's my mind saying, you know what, shuttin'
22 down and tryin' to say, you know what? You need to
23 forget this thing, okay? But, I have a hard time
24 remembering a lot of this stuff, okay?
25
26 So, me and Detective Monzon hooked up. There was
27 actually another deputy who was on Building 1200, on
28 -- that would be the north, uh, east corner. He had
29 his rifle trained also on the third floor. So, I
30 had one that was behind the tree. And, I had
31 another one that was here on this corner already.
32 By the time we got to this corner
33
34 LN: On Building 13.
35
36 BW: Building 1300.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 BW: Okay. I told Gil, or Gil relayed to me, I don't
41 remember. He had the exterior doors to the west
42 building, to the west side of Building 1200, and I
43 had the third floor. And, I said, "Let's go." And,
44 we just started breaking ass to get in there. I
45 remember seeing Aaron Feis right to the right side
46 of the doors, the exterior doors on the west side of
47 1200. There was a deputy -- I don't know if it was
48 this deputy who broke with me. It probably was. I
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1 LN: Okay.
2
3 BW: He broke with us, okay? I told Gil, Gil knows, he
4 got -- he had the exterior doors and the -- the door
5 that came down the stairwells to the exterior, he
6 had both those doors. That deputy and I leaned over
7 Feis and that deputy grabbed him. And I remember,
8 pretty sure that I grabbed him, looking for vital
9 signs -- gone. And, I said, "We gotta move," okay?
10 Gil went inside. I went in after him. And, I don't
11 remember that deputy following me. Because I'll
12 tell you why in a minute. We got inside. All I saw
13 was smoke, bodies, smelled gunpowder. I saw the
14 kids down the hall. Dead. Not moving.
15
16 And, I saw Chris Hixon to my left leaning up against
17 the wall. And, in his right hand, he had a fuckin'
18 radio. And, when he saw us, he fuckin' just, he hit
19 -- he hit the ground. Almost, like, the Calvary is
20 here, I can fuckin' let go. And, I looked at Gil,
21 oh, we got to get him the fuck out. I didn't hear
22 any gunshots, nothing, from maybe the 15 seconds
23 that we were in there.
24
25 I bust ass, turned around, the deputy was still over
26 Feis outside. And, next to Feis, there was a golf
27 cart. And, I said, "See if he's got the keys to
28 this golf cart?" He goes into his pocket, pulls
29 them out, there had to be a ring of about, like, ten
30 keys and he threw them to me. And, I can remember
31 vividly saying to myself this is gonna be my dumb
32 fuckin' Irish luck. I'm gonna have to go through
33 every fuckin' key to find out which one starts. The
34 second one started the fuckin' golf cart. Turned it
35 on. As I turned the golf cart around, Gil's already
36 pulling Chris Hixon out. We pick him up at the
37 door, put him on the back of the golf cart.
38 Deputies helping us. I told deputy, "Get on, let's
39 go." And, I knew, at that point, for some reason in
40 my conscience, we need to drive him to Holmberg and
41 Pine Island. But, once I did that, we got there
42 within -- as fast as that cart could go, probably 60
43 seconds to a minute, to a minute-and-a-half. Drop
44 him off, he was breathing, he was alive. And, that
45 deputy knew him because he was saying, "Chris, stay
46 with us." And, I said, "You know him?" He goes,
47 "Yeah, I know him."
48
49 And then, at that point, it was just playing
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1 again, to the west side. They brought somebody else
2 out. Went right back there. Came back another
3 time. Stood on the doors, and I was being yelled
4 at. We got bodies coming out the east side. I
5 remember telling the deputy, "Get on, let's go." I
6 told him to keep an eye on the windows as I was
7 driving them around. We got here. And, again,
8 extracted two bodies, brought them back out to
9 Holmberg and Pine Island. And, by the time I got
10 back for the fifth time, I was relieved of the golf
11 cart by BSO SWAT. And, they just took it over.
12 They brought somebody else out and they just took it
13 over.
14
15 RB: From the time that you arrived on scene, did you
16 ever hear any gunshots being fired?
17
18 BW: None. Not a gunshot.
19
20 RB: Um, at any point, uh, did you try to use your radio
21 or -- or key up on your radio to relay any
22 information?
23
24 BW: I remember trying to do it once. I mean, saying
25 telling our Dispatch -- and, I don't know if it got
26 through, "I'm bringing out another one."
27
28 LN: Okay.
29
30 BW: Okay? And, I don't know if they responded. At that
31 point, the radio was just -- there was so much going
32 on.
33
34 LN: Uh-huh.
35
36 BW: I'm like, okay, there is no way I'm gonna be getting
37 traffic going back and forth.
38
39 LN: Uh-huh.
40
41 BW: Let me just do my job. Let me just do my business,
42 you know? And, I never tried after that.
43
44 RB: Are you aware of any radio problems that happened as
45 far as, um, either transmitting or receiving that
46 that was occurring on the scene?
47
48 BW: No. Not -- not -- not with us. Not with ours. I
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2
3 RB: Okay.
4
5 BW: There was just a lot of traffic --
6
7 RB: Sure.
8
9 BW: -- being -- being used on the radio.
10
11 LN: Okay.
12
13 BW: But, at no time did the radio fail.
14
15 RB: Um, once BSO took over use of the golf cart, uh, did
16 you move on to another post or, um, --
17
18 BW: At that point, Sergeant Kozlowski was on scene.
19 There was a lot of -- Officer, or Deputy, rather,
20 Peterson -- when I came back to the east side of
21 Building 1200 --
22
23 LN: Uh-huh.
24
25 BW: There was information being relayed to him which we
26 were trying to relay and then, not me personally,
27 but trying to relate to our other guys who had gone
28 up to the third floor. And, I can remember somebody
29 on the radio saying, "We' re here on the third floor.
30 We don't see him," meaning the shooter. I can
31 remember that vividly, okay? I can't tell you who
32 it was. I don't know if it was, uh, Sergeant Massey
33 at the time, or if it was, um, Sergeant Myers or it
34 was one of the other guys, but I can remember that
35 transmission saying, "We don't -- we' re on the third
36 floor, we don't see him." And then, there was
37 something, like, he's coming down a stairwell, and I
38 remember staying at it, like, (unintelligible), here
39 it is. This is where it's gonna end. I didn't find
40 out, later on, until that -- that information was
41 bad. It was delayed.
42
43 RB: You mentioned, um, Deputy Peterson.
44
45 BW: Yes.
46
47 RB: Uh, did you have any interaction with him?
48
49 BW: I -- I saw him. I observed him outside, uh, to the
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1 personal conversation or -- nor any communication
2 with him whatsoever.
3
4 RB: Where did you observe him at?
5
6 BW: Uh, the -- to the east. He was outside the east
7 doors of Building 1200.
8
9 RB: So, he was actually at the building?
10
11 BW: Yes.
12
13 RB: Okay. Would you mind marking that, so, for future
14 reference?
15
16 LN: And that was at a point when officers, law
17 enforcement, had already reached the building?
18
19 BW: Oh, yeah.
20
21 US: And had already gone into the building?
22
23 BW: Oh, yeah. I -- I -- I already breached -- this is -
24
25
26 LN: After the fact.
27
28 BW: A much, much --
29
30 LN: Okay.
31
32 BW: Probably -- it's probably not as long as I think,
33 but it's probably, like, at least five minutes after
34 I had already breached the west doors.
35
36 LN: The west -- okay.
37
38 BW: Okay?
39
40 LN: Very well.
41
42 BW: So --
43
44 LN: Did you see any office -- any other law enforcement
45 talking to Peterson? That you can recall an actual
46 name?
47
48 BW: No.
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2 BW: Okay.
3
4 LN: To when you first came in here.
5
6 BW: Uh-huh.
7
8 LN: Were you the first one that -- to go into the
9 building, on the west, that you're aware of?
10
11 BW: My -- my --
12
13 LN: On the west side?
14
15 BW: My recollection, uh, Gil Monzon was the first. I was
16 the second. I had -- I had, I believe it was Steve
17 Wiesing, Sergeant Steve Wiesing, um, Sergeant Myers,
18 and Sergeant Massey tell me they came in after me.
19 I can't -- for the life of me, I can't remember them
20 being there.
21
22 LN: Okay.
23
24 BW: And, like I said, I got -- you gotta understand, I
25 got -- I had the tunnel vision going on. I was so
26 impacted and so concerned about what was going on in
27 front of me, I didn't know what was going on to my
28 six
29
30 LN: All right.
31
32 BW: or my rear.
33
34 LN: Do you remember any interaction with any law
35 enforcement on the other side, when you guys came --
36 first came in?
37
38 BW: When we -- when we came in, there was our guys were
39 -- had -- had came in after -- after us. I got
40 with, um, Officer Carvalho and Officer, um, um,
41 Wetherington, uh, um, I can't think of his name now.
42 And -- and -- and, I don't want to misspeak. But,
43 it was definitely Officer Carvalho and another
44 officer. And, they said that, when they came in
45 through the doors, that we had already come down on
46 the bottom a quarter of the way down the hallway.
47 And, he goes, "All I remember seeing was your guys
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2 BW: And, I don't think I ever recall remembering coming
3 down that far. I remember getting to Hixon and then
4 turning around, saying, "We got ta get him out of
5 here." And, Hixon, like I said, was -- was --
6 probably, was, rather 20 feet.
7
8 LN: Okay.
9
10 BW: Twenty-five feet inside the doors once I got in.
11
12 LN: So, your involvement there, you got -- you went in,
13 and at least, per what other officers have told you,
14 they were also stacked behind you?
15
16 BW: There was -- got --
17
18 LN: Okay.
19
20 BW: There was. But, I can't -- I, for the life of me, I
21 cannot remember
22
23 LN: All right.
24
25 BW: -- who was behind me.
26
27 LN: So, you grabbed Hixon and went back?
28
29 BW: Well, I didn't grab him yet.
30
31 LN: Okay.
32
33 BW: I turned around and came back outside. And, the
34 deputy was still leaning over Feis.
35
36 LN: Okay.
37
38 BW: And, I said, "Throw me his -- see if he's got the
39 keys."
40
41 LN: Okay.
42
43 BW: "Throw me those keys." And, at that point, as I was
44 making a -- as soon as I turned the cart around to
45 get it ready, and as I was getting off, Monzon was
46 already pulling Hixon out.
47
48 LN: Okay. Okay. All right.
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1 minute. Um, well, actually, one more question. So,
2 once you came out on this side, the --the golf cart
3 was done. Um, did you have any other, um,
4 involvement on the scene?
5
6 BW: Not with Building 1200. I was requested by Sergeant
7 Kozlowski to marry up with his team and we went
8 ahead and secured the auditorium. There was a load
9 of kids in that auditorium. And, we went ahead, and
10 I had the exterior doors into the breezeway that
11 lead from the auditorium out to the breezeway. That
12 was my responsibility, okay? They went in, and I
13 mean, they, as Sergeant Kozlowski and his team, went
14 in, cleared it, and then we started taking these
15 kids out and breaking them north through the
16 breezeway and out east through the parking lot.
17
18 RB: And, after that, was there any other --
19
20 BW: We did Building, I think this is 800, if I'm right?
21
22 RB: Okay.
23
24 BW: This is Building 800. We did that building, okay?
25 And, at that point, we just stood by because
26 everybody started flooding this whole, uh,
27 courtyard.
28
29 LN: Uh-huh.
30
31 BW: Okay? And, we just started -- my responsibility
32 became just to secure this area of the breezeway
33 between 800 and, I think, 700, if I remember
34 correctly. These two buildings.
35
36 RB: Okay. Om, are you aware if your agency has an
37 active shooter policy?
38
39 BW: I should know. Yes or no, I don't.
40
41 RB: Okay. Does your agency train in active shooter
42 response?
43
44 BW: Yes.
45
46 RB: How often?
47
48 BW: Oh, I could tell you when the last one we had was.
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2 BW: Okay, for me, uh, the last one was in December.
3
4 RB: Okay.
5
6 BW: Of 201 7.
7
8 RB: 2017?
9
10 BW: Yeah.
11.
12 RB: Om, what did -- what does that training instruct you
13 to do?
14
15 BW: Let -- let me -- let me just back up one second. I
16 remember going to Sergeant Kmiotek, who is our
17 training sergeant and saying, "You were dead on with
18 this." She -- she didn't respond to me. And, I
19 said, "You were dead on." Everything was perfect.
20 Except the only thing that wasn't going on when we
21 entered was the fire alarm. Where she had pulled
22 the fire alarm for us.
23
24 LN: Okay.
25
26 BW: To give us more stress.
27
28 RB: During the -- like --
29
30 BW: During our training.
31
32 RB: -- a scenario training, or --
33
34 BW: During our training at -- at the -- the range.
35
36 RB: Okay.
37
38 BW: And, I told her, I looked at her, said, "You were
39 dead on." You know, so, I have to tip my hat to her
40 because it's perfect.
41
42 LN: So, no fire alarms? Were there strobes or anything
43 like that going on that you can remember?
44
45 BW: I just remember all that smell of -- of gunpowder
46 and all that smoke. And it was -- it was just -- it
47 was, like, it was coming off the floor, you know?
48 And, I don't remember. The fire alarm was
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2 LN: Okay.
3
4 RB: Okay. So, what does this training instruct you to
5 do, um, once you arrive on -- on scene of an active
6 shooter situation?
7
8 BW: If we can determine that shots are being fired,
9 immediately assess -- assess it, and go towards the
10 threat to eliminate it.
11
12 RB: Um, does that mean if you're by yourself? Does that
13 mean if you've got a group of guys behind you, how
14 does that mean?
15
16 BW: I can -- you know, I don't know how old you are. I
17 mean, I know with this guy how old he is.
18
19 RB: Uh-huh.
20
21 BW: I can actually give you a timeline on how this
22 stuff's evolved. And, it is, by far, today, much
23 better than from when I came out of the academy,
24 which was in 1992, okay? The timeline was -- when,
25 in '92, you sat there and you waited for some
26 specialty unit to show up. That was it, okay? In
27 '99, when they had Columbine happen, okay? Then it
28 was, you know what, you did the train. The train
29 was, basically, you waited it for a stack of five or
30 six, you came in, you started going toward the
31 threat. You assessed it. You chopped doors. So on
32 and so forth. And, as somebody came off the train,
33 another person, as they were running into the
34 building, became part of the caboose and it just, it
35 evolved. The train kept going down the hallway.
36 Then, uh, probably 2010, 2012, it became one guy
37 goes and takes care of business and that's it. If
38 that's all that -- that we have. So, that's --
39 that's how it evolved, you know? And, that's what
40 we're taught. We're taught, if you hear it, you go
41 to it and you take it out.
42
43 RB: Okay. Anything else?
44
45 LN: That's -- no.
46
47 RB: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
48 that either I've failed to ask or anything you would
49 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
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1 BW: No, sir.
2
3 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
4 providing this statement today?
5
6 BW: No, sir.
7
8 RB: Has the information that you provided during this
9 interview been the truth, to the best of your
10 knowledge or recollection?
11
12 BW: Yes, sir.
13
14 RB: This interview is concluded at 1:56 p.m.
15
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1 (INTERVIEW OF JESSICA APPEL, EI-26-0079, 05/24/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 BB BRANDY BURNS
8 JA JESSICA APPEL
9 AD CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS ATTORNEY ANDREW DUNKHIEL
10
11 KR: Oh, yeah. And we record everything, 'cause I'm too
12 lazy to write it down. Today's date is May the 14th,
13 2018. It is approximately 10:05 a.m. I am Inspector
14 Keith Riddick with the law -- with the Office of
15 Executive Investigations for the Florida Department
16 of Law Enforcement. Also, present at this time is
17 Brandy Burns. The location of this interview is 2300
18 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be
19 questioning Jessica Appel as a witness in an
20 official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
21 With her is city of attorney -- City of Coral
22 Springs attorney, Andrew Dunkhiel.
23
24 Uh, on February 25th, 2018 Governor Rick Scott
25 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
26 response to the shooting in Parkland, which is why
27 we are here today. Uh, prior to beginning this
28 interview, you should be aware of the following,
29 this interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
30 enforcement officer, I'm empowered to administer
31 oaths and take statements. In a moment I will be
32 taking a sworn statement from you. You will be under
33 oath and if you knowingly provide false statements
34 you can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
35 understand each of these items I've just informed
36 you of?
37
38 JA: Yes.
39
40 KR: Okay. Please, raise your right hand. Let the record
41 reflect Miss Appel has raised her right hand. Do you
42 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
43 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth
44 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
45
46 JA: Yes.
47
48 KR: Okay. Thank you. You can put your hand down. Please,
49 state your full name?
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1 JA: Uh, Jessica Appel.
2
3 KR: All right. You're you are currently employed by
4 the Coral Springs Police Department?
5
6 JA: Yes.
7
8 KR: Communications Division. Is that correct?
9
10 JA: (No audible response.)
11
12 KR: Okay. What is your position with -- with them?
13
14 JA: I'm a 911 dispatcher.
15
16 KR: All right. How long have been employed there?
17
18 JA: About a year-and-a-half.
19
20 KR: About a year-and-a-half? Do you have prior, uh,
21 communications experience?
22
23 JA: No.
24
25 KR: Came straight to CSPD?
26
27 JA: (No audible response.)
28
29 KR: Okay. Um, I'm gonna take you to February 14th, 2018.
30 That's the reason we're here. Um, what was your
31 assignment that day?
32
33 JA: I -- at that time I was on Main Channel.
34
35 KR: On Main Channel?
36
37 JA: Which is our police channel.
38
39 KR: Okay. That's where everything is dispatched,
40 burglaries, you name it? Everything starts at
41
42 JA: Anything related to police matters. Not fire.
43
44 KR: Okay. Um, when did you first learn or how did you
45 first learn of the incident at, uh, Douglas?
46
47 JA: Phone calls.
48
49 KR: Okay. Did you -- you took one of those calls?
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1 JA: No. I did not take one of those calls. On Main
2 Channel we do not answer the phone. It's strictly
3
4 KR: Just --
5
6 JA: Our j ob is
7
8 KR: -- you got call takers and got --
9
10 JA: Yeah.
11
12 KR: -- and dispatchers?
13
14 JA: Yes.
15
16 KR: Okay.
17
18 JA: Main Channel is the only channel that we don't
19 answer calls on only because it's the fastest and
20 anything can happen on that channel.
21
22 KR: Okay. So, who told you? Or how did you
23
24 JA: Um, not that we were actually -- it's not that I was
25 told. It's you hear it in the room and everyone's
26 like, "There's a--". Whatever they're saying.
27
28 KR: Uh-huh.
29
30 JA: I don't remember exact wording. But we're just all
31 looking around going, "What?" And we're like --
32 people were whispering. Like, they were saying the
33 kids were whispering on the phone. And that's just
34 kind of how --
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 JA: -- Parkland (unintelligible).
39
40 KR: But you had not started dispatching it yet?
41
42 JA: No.
43
44 KR: Okay. 'Cause from what I understand, speaking with
45 Katherine it -- fire was first, which is the way the
46 system is set up with Coral Springs doing fire
47 rescue for Parkland, correct?
48
49 JA: Yes.
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1 KR: Okay. So, that's what you meant by you heard it go
2 on because their dealing with dispatching fire and
3 rescue and all that?
4
5 JA: Yeah. And I'm in the same -- like, we're in the s~me
6 area. Like, it's -- like, it's called a circle.
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 JA: So, like, I'm turning around just trying to figure
11 out, like, "Okay. What's going on? Is this real?
12 What are we doing?"
13
14 KR: Okay.
15
16 JA: You know.
17
18 KR: How did you first become involved with it?
19
20 JA: Um, it's right before I actually was going to tone
21 out our officers. Like, we have like an alert tone
22 to get their attention --
23
24 KR: Right.
25
26 JA: -- for big, important things. And I was --
27
28 KR: Okay. Let me stop you just a second. I know
29 Katherine knew, but just for your edification, Miss
30 Burns is -- was Communications for a long time.
31
32 BB: Fourteen years.
33
34 JA: Oh. Okay.
35
36 KR: So -- so -- yeah. So, she's one of you. Okay. So,
37 you know, um, I was a real cop a long time before I
38 became to FDLE, so --
39
40 JA: Okay.
41
42 KR: -- and, actually, I started as a communications
43 officer. But back in 1980 we typed it all on a sheet
44 of paper. Okay. So, we do have some background.
45 Okay?
46
47 JA: Perfect. Okay.
48
49 KR: I just wanted -- just wanted to make you feel --
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2
3 KR: -- a little more comfortable that, you know, we do
4 somewhat know. Of course, I did learn all kinds of
5 new things from Katherine. (unintelligible).
6
7 BB: You did?
8
9 KR: Yes. But, okay. I'm sorry. So --
10
11 JA: That's okay. Um, so
12
13 KR: you were getting ready to tone out --
14
15 JA: I was getting ready to tone out our officers to
16 BOLO, like, what that -- we are -- if there's, uh,
17 possible active shooter. We're getting calls of an
18 active shooter. And as I was about to do that one of
19 our sergeants, um -- our -- one of our detectives,
20 but he's a sergeant, um, asked me over Main Channel
21 like, "Hey. Is there?" Whatever he said. "Um,
22 getting word of -- of possible shooter at Marjorie
23 Stoneman Douglas." Like, do you know anything about
24 that?" And that's pretty much when I was just like,
25 well, gonna go with whatever I have at the moment.
26 And --
27
28 BB: Uh-huh.
29
30 KR: So, you were getting ready now to just, basically,
31 let all the -- all the road officers know, "Hey. We
32 got something going on. Be ready."
33
34 JA: Yes. And so, this way brass and upper management
35 would hear it --
36
37 KR: Uh-huh.
38
39 JA: -- and kind of, hopefully, step in at that point and
40 guide us.
41
42 KR: Okay.
43
44 JA: So -- but he, unfortunately beat me to the punch.
45
46 KR: Okay. That's -- okay. So, what happened then?
47
48 JA: Everyone went.
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2 JA: Whether they told me over the radio or they just
3 went. Anyone that was in that area, even if they
4 weren't in the area, they went.
5
6 KR: Okay. Did you get a lot of 1097s or basically just
7 they showed up?
8
9 JA: I'll be honest, I don't really remember. There was
10 just there was so much radio traffic --
11
12 KR: Uh-huh.
13
14 JA: -- and there was so much going on that I don't
15 remember if people were saying -- I knew that they
16 were here, not because they said "1097", but because
17 they're, "I'm -- I'm at the north side." Or "I'm at
18 the, uh" -- wherever. They're telling me where
19 they're at. So, to me that's okay. You're telling me
20 you're there.
21
22 BB: Yeah. Yeah.
23
24 KR: Were you able to log them as being there? Or was it
25 just so much? And -- and --
26
27 JA: Some
28
29 KR: I know you're technically you're supposed to?
30
31 JA: yeah.
32
33 KR: But, also, at the same time, I know when two hundred
34 cops are responding at one time, it may not be --
35
36 JA: Yeah. And the one's that aren't telling me that
37 they're there, I can't put them there if I don't
38 know that you're there, you know.
39
40 KR: So, there's, uh -- there's a good chance the record
41 doesn't show everybody was there?
42
43 JA: Most likely.
44
45 KR: Okay.
46
47 JA: Most likely.
48
49 KR: And it's totally understandable.
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2
3 KR: Yeah. Especially in something like this. Even in a
4 good call you get cops that show up and don't bother
5 to tell you they're there.
6
7 JA: Uh-huh.
8
9 BB: Yeah.
10
11 KR: That there's only three of you there. Um, you know,
12 that I ever did anything like that.
13
14 BB: Uh-huh.
15
16 KR: Um -- all right. So, just tell me what you remember
17 about the radio traffic as far as how things went?
18 Did you have any issues? Um, other than the sheer
19 volume of it?
20
21 JA: It's just, uh -- people stepping -- like, officers
22 stepping on -- on each other. Not because they're
23 trying to be rude, but they're trying to get their
24 information
25
26 KR: Uh - huh .
27
28 JA: -- and everyone's just trying to get their
29 information in. And I'm sure it's probably chaotic
30 and loud out there, so but I was hearing it.
31
32 KR: Now, I understand this is one of the things I
33 learned that they have nowadays, is that even though
34 the officer -- you know, officer A and B are talking
35 at the same time, you can hear them both?
36
37 JA: I can hear them both.
38
39 KR: Okay.
40
41 JA: They -- like, I could be keyed up. This happens a
42 lot and sometimes we stop ourselves and then --
43 because it's -- you're trying to dispatch something,
44 but then the officers were keying up and it kinda
45 throws you sometimes.
46
47 KR: Uh - huh .
48
49 JA: So, I can actually dispatch a whole thing with an
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1 -- I understand what their saying. They're probably
2 giving me like, uh -- something to code out or
3 whatever and I can get that out after I finish my
4 dispatch. Then I say, you know, "10-4 Bravo 34. I
5 copy your DC." Or something like that.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 JA: You can generally kind of hear both.
10
11 KR: Okay. And when they're talking over each other they
12
13
14 JA: No.
15
16 KR: -- they don't know anything?
17
18 JA: And if I'm keyed up
19
20 KR: All they know is uh-huh.
21
22 JA: -- no one else can hear any other officer talking if
23 I'm keyed up.
24
25 KR: Okay. But that is the nature of the incident? That
26 is not a flaw or anything in the -- in the system?
27
28 JA: I don't -- I don't really know about radios. But I'm
29 -- that's --
30
31 KR: Okay. Well, that was --
32
33 JA: how it -- how it works.
34
35 KR: that was my next question. How much of the
36 technical end of it are you -- you know how dispatch
37 and how to run your console?
38
39 JA: Yeah.
40
41 KR: Okay. That's understandable. Um, when you -- when
42 the sergeant came up on, you know -- one of the
43 questions I have is, what unit was the first one
44 dispatched? But basically, the sergeant came up on
45 the air and then everybody went?
46
47 JA: Yeah. I didn't, actually, physically, say --
48
49 KR: Juliet?
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1 JA: -- uh, Juliet, whoever. I forget what the
2 (unintelligible) is --
3
4 KR: 32, I think, is Burton?
5
6 JA: No.
7
8 KR: 30?
9
10 JA: 32 is Bonasera.
11
12 KR: 39?
13
14 JA: Um, I think he's 39.
15
16 KR: Yeah. I've read too much of this stuff.
17
18 JA: Yeah. Uh, yeah. I think, uh, Timmy is 39. But I
19 didn't specifically state, you know, this Juliet
20 unit or this rogue unit, you know, start that way.
21 Everyone just kind of -- after I said that, everyone
22 just like, "51. 51. 55. 50." 10-51s are --
23
24 KR: Yeah.
25
26 JA: -- interact.
27
28 BB: Uh-huh.
29
30 KR: In or out. Yeah.
31
32 JA: I don't know which codes are the same or not. So.
33
34 BB: If -- if we -- we' 11 ask.
35
36 JA: Yeah.
37
38 KR: Um, do you -- when it first started, when it, um --
39 did you have a full shift that day?
40
41 JA: Uh, yes. 'Cause we have to be -- well, I'm gonna
42 say, yes, because we have to be full -- like, we
43 have to be -- we have minimums that we have to be
44 at.
45
46 KR: Right.
47
48 JA: So, yes.
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2 JA: Plus, we had Kathy and Diana and Tom in the room.
3 So, yeah. I would say, yes.
4
5 KR: Um, did you -- you stayed on Main the entire time?
6
7 JA: No.
8
9 KR: Okay.
10
11 JA: Uh-uh. We, um -- we rotate, like, every two hours.
12
13 KR: No. I -- oh. Okay.
14
15 JA: Oh.
16
17 KR: So, during this incident you were
18
19 JA: Oh. No. Not during this -- sorry. Not during the
20 incident.
21
22 KR: Yeah.
23
24 JA: Sorry. I thought you were -- no.
25
26 KR : No . No . No .
27
28 JA: Um, for this incident I -- I started Main Channel at
29 2:00. 'cause that was the rotation. Or, I'm sorry.
30 Started at 1:00 --
31
32 KR: Uh-huh.
33
34 JA: -- 'cause that was my rotation 1 to 3.
35
36 KR: All right.
37
38 JA: And I stayed on from 2 -- from 1 'til a little after
39 6 at some point.
40
41 KR: Okay. So, basically, at
42
43 JA: It (unintelligible)
44
45 KR: you stayed there because you were there?
46
47 JA: the entire time, yeah.
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1 JA: It's -- I already knew what was going on.
2
3 KR: Right. There's no sense in --
4
5 JA: Exactly. It would be way to -- that's way too much
6 pass on. Because I knew where my units were.
7
8 BB: Uh-huh.
9
10 JA: I knew where they were in the buildings when they
11 were searching. I just I knew.
12
13 KR: Okay.
14
15 JA: So, to try to -- so that's (unintelligible). Doesn't
16 make sense.
17
18 KR: Go ahead.
19
20 BB: I'm sorry.
21
22 KR: That's all right. Om, everybody rotates?
23
24 JA: Oh, during a normal shift? Yes.
25
26 KR: Yeah. During normal shifts?
27
28 JA: Yep.
29
30 KR: So, everybody knows how to run Main? Knows how to do
31
32
33 JA: Dispatchers. Not call takers.
34
35 KR: Right. Oh. Okay.
36
37 JA: Dispatchers.
38
39 KR: Just
40
41 JA: Just dispatchers.
42
43 KR: -- dispatchers? Okay.
44
45 JA: Uh-huh. Call takers, their -- their job is the call
46 taking. Dispatchers we do dispatch. We are trained
47 on our police Main Channel, teletype and, um, fire
48 rescue.
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2 JA: And then, also, we answer phones.
3
4 KR: Okay.
5
6 JA: As well.
7
8 KR: All right.
9
10 JA: We're trained for everything.
11
12 KR: So, y'all -- y'all can do all four things?
13
14 JA: We do everything, yep.
15
16 KR: Okay. And that's a progression? You start out as a
17 call taker and work your way up to --
18
19 JA: That's generally how they start us, 'cause we' re on
20 phones first and then you go to, uh -- you know,
21 learn how to do that. Then you go to radios. And
22 they have a whole -- they got a whole training
23 thing.
24
25 KR: Right. Uh, speaking of training, what, uh, training
26 do you have to be a communications officer of the
27 CSPD?
28
29 JA: Um, the training that they put me through with --
30
31 KR: The
32
33 JA: -- you know, like, the on the -- on-the-job
34 training. Then the certifications that we do are
35 public safety -- or state -- State Public Safety
36 Telecommunicators' certification. And then we have
37 our other, um, like, FEMA. We do our FEMA
38 certifications for the different, like, if active
39 shooter we have (unintelligible), um, all the
40 different, um, emergency management type ones, like,
41 there's specific ones they want us to have. We have
42 emergency medical dispatch, which is -- we call it
43 EMD and it's you -- if -- for medical calls.
44
45 KR: Talk somebody through CPR?
46
47 JA: Yes. Uh-huh.
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1 JA: Um -- and then whatever other in-service
2
3 KR: Uh - huh .
4
5 JA: -- training we do there.
6
7 KR: So, when you were coming up through training, are
8 you taught how to deal with a multi-jurisdictional
9 incident, like this was?
10
11 JA: I don' t know.
12
13 KR: Hmm?
14
15 JA: I don't really remember if we've talked about it,
16 or?
17
18 KR: Okay. Were you taught how to patch?
19
20 JA: We're shown how to patch.
21
22 KR: Okay.
23
24 JA: We are shown how to patch. It's -- takes -- they say
25 it takes practice to learn how to patch.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 JA: So, generally during a hot -- like a hot call,
30 usually the supervisor will come over and do it for
31 us. So, it's, like, everyone kinda takes, like, a
32 job.
33
34 BB: Uh-huh.
35
36 JA: So, they' re like, "Your job is dispatch." Like, "You
37 -- you stay on that."
38
39 KR: Uh - huh .
40
41 JA: "I' 11 worry about this. I' 11 worry about that." It's
42 just like when we get a fire, everyone is helping.
43 This person is calling FP&L. This person's calling
44 whoever they need to call. Everyone helps out.
45
46 BB: Yeah.
47
48 KR: Okay. So, you're getting a basis on patching, but
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2 JA: Yes.
3
4 KR: Okay. I understand Mr. Thurman, I think, is who did
5 the patching through (unintelligible)
6
7 JA: For -- for Main Channel, specifically, I know that
8 he patched me with 14 ops 2, 'cause I asked him if
9 he could help me.
10
11 KR: Okay. Were you --
12
13 JA: I said, "They need us to patch."
14
15 KR: All right. When they patched you through to 14 ops
16 2, which for the record is the VSO Channel, right?
17
18 JA: Yes.
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 JA: Yes.
23
24 KR: Were there any issues with that patch?
25
26 JA: No. Just when we patched initially there was talking
27 because they're talking via, like -- they were still
28 talking their 14 ops 2 and we're talking our Main.
29 So, there was a lot of talking. But they're -- it's
30 still clear. Like, I could hear everyone.
31
32 KR: Okay. Could they hear each other?
33
34 JA: Yes. Because I had multiple people actually talking
35 to me from BSO on 14 ops 2.
36
37 KR: Communicate -- or people that were on the scene?
38
39 JA: Uh, I'm gonna assume that --
40
41 KR: What
42
43 JA: -- I just kept talking to somebody named, uh, 1
44 Quebec 1. I don't know who that was from BSO, but
45 obviously, one of their units.
46
47 KR: Uh-huh.
48
49 JA: I'm gonna assume that, yes, he was on scene because
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2 KR: Okay. So, you -- you were actually talking --
3
4 JA: Yeah. And I talked to BSO's Communication at one
5 point as well, and a couple other officers, not -- I
6 don't know if they were BSO officers or other --
7
8 KR: Or other jurisdictions?
9
10 JA: other jurisdictions, but I was talking to them --
11
12 KR: Yeah. 'Cause they were --
13
14 JA: on 14 ops 2.
15
16 KR: a dozen jurisdictions there.
17
18 JA: Uh-huh.
19
20 KR: Okay. All right. Were -- so, were you -- were you
21 what was the nature of your talking to them about
22 your conversation, for lack of a better word?
23
24 JA: Random stuff. Um, I don't really remember all of my
25 conversations with the Quebec unit.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 JA: BSO's communication I do remember because they asked
30 me to repeat, um -- they had, I guess, established
31 the family meeting center, which was at Pine Trails
32 Park.
33
34 KR: Uh-huh.
35
36 JA: And BSO came over and said, "Um, can you repeat that
37 information?" And I gave her the name of the park
38 and the -- I believe I gave her the name of the park
39 and the location.
40
41 KR: Were you --
42
43 JA: That's the new meeting center.
44
45 KR: During the heat of it were you relaying information
46 about where he might be? Or what was going on in the
47 1200 Building?
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2
3 JA: to people on 14 ops 2?
4
5 KR: Yes , ma ' am.
6
7 JA: No. Just in general. Like, I'm talking on Main
8 Channel and when I'm keying up on Main Channel it's
9 keying up on 14 ops 2.
10
11 KR: Okay.
12
13 JA: So, they can hear me --
14
15 KR: So, when
16
17 JA: as long as they're listening.
18
19 KR: so, when you said -- when you told Juliet 39,
20 "He's in the 1200 Building." Not saying you did. But
21 if you had told him something that you'd learned
22 from one of your call takers, everybody heard?
23
24 JA: As long as we were patched at that point, yes.
25
26 KR: Okay. Yeah. And you weren't patched though at the
27 very beginning. Do you remember when the patch --
28 how far into it?
29
30 JA: I don't. I just remember they were asking for SWAT
31 call ups and they wanted to patch -- they had a
32 (unintelligible) or the ops channel to patch with --
33
34 KR: Uh-huh.
35
36 JA: -- but I couldn't tell you the timeline where that
37 happened.
38
39 KR: Okay. And we -- we can -- I mean, we have that. I
40 just --
41
42 JA: Yeah.
43
44 KR: -- didn't know if you remember.
45
46 JA: I don't. I don't, honestly. I don't I don't even
47 remember if I notate -- I have no idea what I
48 notated.
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2 CSPD channels being used for this incident, how many
3 -- do you remember how many were being used?
4
5 JA: I really only remember -- I -- I -- my focus was
6 with Main Channel.
7
8 KR: You focused --
9
10 JA: So, I -- I know that my two -- our info channel,
11 which is, also, teletype --
12
13 KR: Uh-huh.
14
15 JA: -- for us because we're so small --
16
17 KR: Uh-huh.
18
19 JA: -- we don't have, like, a separate teletype unit.
20
21 KR: Yeah.
22
23 JA: It's just one person that we rotate there. Um --
24 sorry. Um, so I knew that teletype was my backup.
25 And people, instead of talking on Main, like, they
26 were people that, I think, were on scene that were
27 actually on 2 Channel asking for some things,
28 because they didn't wanna tie up the traffic on
29 Main.
30
31 KR : Uh - huh .
32
33 JA: Don't quote me on that, but from my understanding.
34 Um -- so, I know we -- we had those two channels.
35 And then fire rescue had -- they -- I know that they
36 were patched, but I don't know who they were patched
37 with or what channels. My focus was Main Channel and
38 that was -- that was where my head was at.
39
40 KR: Do you remember who your first officer was that
41 said, "Hey. I'm here"?
42
43 JA: Timmy Burton.
44
45 KR: Oh. Timmy Burton?
46
47 JA: Yeah.
48
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2
3 KR: All right. I didn't know his first name.
4
5 JA: Oh. Sorry. Yeah. Officer.
6
7 KR: No. That's okay.
8
9 JA: Officer Burton.
10
11 KR: Yes.
12
13 JA: He he -- he keyed up and said that he -- he said
14 he was 97 the south side of the school or something.
15
16 KR: And he's Juliet 39?
17
18 JA: Juliet -- I wanna say he's Juliet 39.
19
20 KR: All right. Yeah. Um, do you remember hearing any
21 conversation, BSO, CSPD, any of those 800 units that
22 were there saying any issues in talking to --
23 complaining about anything?
24
25 JA: Not on my radio, no.
26
27 KR: And yeah. And that's -- that's all I want --
28 yeah.
29
30 JA: Yeah.
31
32 KR: Just what you heard. Yeah? Okay. Um, did you have
33 any issues with your -- your -- what you did that
34 day yourself? I know they were going through an
35 upgrade that had started at 9:00 the night before
36 and was supposed to have been done in eight hours,
37 but that stuff never gets done in eight hours. Um,
38 did it affect your console or your dispatch at all?
39
40 JA: I didn't know it was -- I mean, I'm sure we probably
41 knew we were gonna do an upgrade, but I don't
42 remember if they were doing an upgrade.
43
44 KR: Okay. So, that's
45
46 JA: So.
47
48 KR: -- so, that's how little it affected you?
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3
4 JA: I was able to still dispatch and talk and.
5
6 KR: Okay. That's good. That's good.
7
8 JA: Nothing froze. Nothing.
9
10 KR: Nothing froze?
11
12 JA: Nothing froze. I was good.
13
14 KR: Okay. All right. Urn, in regards to this
15 investigation is there anything that I either failed
16 to ask or anything that you would like to add or
17 clarify in your statement today?
18
19 JA: I don't think so.
20
21 KR: Okay. Uh, have you been promised anything in
22 exchange for this -- providing this statement today?
23
24 JA: No.
25
26 KR: Okay. Has the information that you've provided
27 during this interview been the truth, to the best of
28 your knowledge or recollection?
29
30 JA: Yes.
31
32 KR: This interview is concluded at approximately 10:23
33 on Monday, May 14th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF KEVIN BALLINGER, EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood words
4 due to the recording quality.)
5
6 MP MESCHELLE PITTMAN
7 KB KEVIN BALLINGER
8 TC TROY COPE
9
10 MP: The date is Monday, May 14~, 2018; time now is 10:19 a.m. I
11 am Inspector Meschelle Pittman, of the Office of Executive
12 Investigations. Also present at this time is, Inspector
13 Troy Cope. The location of this interview is 2300 High
14 Ridge Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. I'll be questioning
15 Mr. --
16
17 KB: Kevin Ballinger.
18
19 MP: -- Kevin Ballinger as a witness in an official the FDLE
20 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Inspector Keith
21 Riddick is in charge of this investigation. On February 25,
22 2018, Governor Rick Scott order FDLE to investigate the law
23 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
24 record, I would like to clarify that this is a witness
25 statement being given to you, as a part of the
26 investigation into the law enforcement response at the
27 Marjorie Stoneman Douglas School shooting that occurred on
28 February 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear here
29 today, and are being compelled to provide this statement.
30 Do you understand that?
31
32 KB: Yes.
33
34 MP: Okay. Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
35 aware of the following; this interview is being recorded.
36 As a sworn law enforcement officer, I'm empowered to
37 administer oaths and take statements. In a moment I'll be
38 taking a sworn statement from you. You will be under oath
39 and if you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
40 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand that?
41
42 KB: Yes.
43
44 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record reflect
45 that he's raised his right hand. Do you solemnly swear or
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47 the truth, the whole true, and nothing but the truth, so
48 help you God?
49
50 KB: I do.
51
52 MP: Okay. For the record, will you please state your full name?
53
54 KB: Kevin Mark Donald Ballinger.
55
56 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
57
58 KB: Coral Springs -- the city of Coral Springs Police
59 Department.
60
61 MP: In what capacity?
62
63 KB: I am a tele-communicator.
64
65 MP: Okay. And how long have you been in this position?
66
67 KB: Um, January 22nd, 2018.
68
69 MP: Okay. And prior to that?
70
71 KB: Oh -- how long have I done the job?
72
73 MP: Okay.
74
75 KB: I've worked for Coral Springs since January of 2018. Um,
76 total, I've been in law enforcement communications since
77 February of 2002.
78
79 MP: Okay. And what agency where you at?
80
81 KB: Um, the Marion County Sheriff's Office until July of 2016;
82 and then from October, 2016 until January of 2018, Broward
83 Sheriff's Office.
84
85 MP: Okay.
86
87 TC: Now you said, Marion County Sheriff's Office, is that in
88 Indiana?
89
90 KB: It'sinindiana.
91
92 TC: Okay.
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94 MP: Oh, okay.
95
96 KB: Maine. Yes, not Marion County, Florida.
97
98 TC: Yes, thank you.
99
100 KB: Maine, Marion County.
101
102 MP: Okay.
103
104 TC: Can you spell your last name?
105
106 KB: B-A-L-L-I-N-G-E-R.
107
108 TC: Perfect.
109
110 MP: Okay.
111
112 TC: All right, thank you. Um, kind of as we -- can you just
113 kind of walk us through on February 14th regarding the
114 shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School? How you
115 came to be involved and just kind of walk us through what
116 you did.
117
118 KB: So, that day, um, when I arrived, I wanna say, the first
119 calls had already come in.
120
121 MP: But you arrived at what time?
122
123 KB: So it was about 2 -- between 2:20 and 2:25 is what I'm
124 gonna guess.
125
126 TC: Okay. And as you said off tape, your shift --
127
128 KB: Our shift start at three.
129
130 TC: Okay. So you got there early?
131
132 KB: Right.
133
134 TC: So you were not on shift when you were --
135
13 6 KB : I was - -
137
138 TC: -- physically in the building?
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140 KB: No. Technically I was not supposed to be on shift until
141 three o'clock
142
143 TC: Yeah.
144
145 KB: -- but that kind of went out the window.
146
147 TC: Correct.
148
149 KB: But, um, the reason why is because, like I said, I'd only
150 been with Coral Springs since January, so I was still not
151 experimenting, but just trying to make sure that, you know,
152 as am employee, I'm in, on time, well ahead of time, and
153 ready to work. So, um, I wanna say about the time I
154 actually got upstairs, it may have been just before 2:30;
155 or right about that time, um, and things we already in full
156 swing.
157
158 MP: Okay.
159
160 KB: Um, like I said, another officer, I don't know remember her
161 name, she had already told me that there was a shooting and
162 there were several officers from Coral Springs that had
163 blown by me, and were headed out of the lot. Um, there was
164 another -- I'm trying to think of the girl who was on the
165 elevator with me. I can't think of her name either, bu.t I
166 just said to her, I was like, you know, if there's been a
167 shooting in the school, it's just, you know, it's about to
168 be pandemonium. You know, I hope no one was hurt. By the
169 time I got to the door, um, to go into the COM Center, um,
170 my, at the time, immediate supervisor, Diana Armastad
171 [phonetic], said, you know, I need you guys to sit down and
172 log on, and get ready for the phones because the phones
173 were just, you know, coming in. So at that time, I wanna
174 say it was probably maybe, just a couple of minutes after
175 2:30, somewhere between 2:30 and 2:40 -
176
177 MP: Uh-huh.
178
179 KB: -- and um, when I logged into the phone, initially I did
180 things like, um, for the communication supervisor, he me
181 contact like county to try and get buses. Um, I made
182 contact with a central regional site manager from BSO, um,
183 in reference to trying to locate the media relation person,
184 where they were going to stage. Things like that. So I was
185 kind of support and then I think I actually only took maybe
186 two phone call directly related to while the incident was
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187 going on. Um, I notated that in our CAD system, I remember
188 speaking to a boy, I don't remember his name, 'cause I
189 don't think he gave it to me. He told me where he was in
190 the building and told me how many people were with him, and
191 I just confirmed with him, you know, are any of you guys
192 hurt? And he said no, we're not hurt. I said, "Okay, do me
193 a favor; I need you to tell them to be quite. I'm going to
194 let them know where you are, in the building. But I need
195 you guys to remain where you are until you see an officer.
196 Don't move and try and remain quite. So, pretty much, um,
197 that was the one I do recall. I think after it was over, I
198 may have talked to a few parents who .were trying to locate
199 children or whatever, but for the most part, I did things
200 like, more like support things, I guess you could say.
201
202 MP: Uh-huh.
203
204 KB: So I didn't have too many phone calls during the actual
205 incident itself.
206
207 MP: Okay.
208
209 TC: When -- when you're entering notes into the CAD system -
210
211 KB: Uh-huh.
212
213 TC: -- and we get a print out of it, is there an identification
214 number or something that shows who enter that note?
215
216 KB: Okay. First thing, um, I logged on to the CAD but didn't
217 long onto the computer, so at -- from what I understand,
218 they said it should not have caused any inconsistencies or
219 anything, but to my knowledge, yes, it would show and an
220 initial. So like it would say like, "PD," which indicates
221 that it's the police department.
222
223 TC: Okay.
224
225 KB: -- and then it will have the person's initials.
226
227 TC: Okay.
228
229 KB: So if you're looking at that and see like, "PDKMB," that
230 would be me.
231
232 TC: Okay.
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234 KM: Um, --
235
236 TC: "PDKMB?"
237
238 KM: "KMB," yes.
239
240 TC: Would be for you? Okay.
241
242 KM: Yes. It doesn't actually stamp with the actual operator's
243 -- I don't think it shows the ID number.
244
245 TC: Okay. So that would be like some initials?
246
247 KM: Right -
248
249 TC: to indicate who's on it.
250
251 KM: so if you're looking at the CAD --
252
253 TC: Yeah.
254
255 KM: -- any of the comments that come in, it'll tell you who
256 initiated it, and it will give you that, "PD" indicating
257 the Police Department, and then it will say, um, three
258 initials.
259
260 TC: Okay. Yes.
261
262 KM: And those three initials are -- three or four in some case
263 -- but usually a person's first, middle and last.
264
265 TC: Okay. I see that here. I just have a print out -- and my
266 understanding is from the day -- and I was just handed this
267 mCirning, so forgive me --
268
269 KM: Right.
270
271 TC: -- and I don't know exactly who initiated it so I don't
272 want to make any assumptions, but I see here like, a "PD" -
273
274
275 KM: Right.
276
277 TC: -- and then a "CAY."
278
279 KM: So, this is the person's first, middle and last.
280
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281 TC: Okay. Got it. And then is the communication of CAD
282 systems, is that Coral Springs specific or is it also on --
283 does it link up with BSO dispatch?
284
285 KM: It does not.
286
287 TC: Okay.
288
289 KM: BSO uses Motorola. They use Motorola Pl. I know this
290 because they launched it while I was there.
291
292 TC: Okay.
293
294 KM: Um, they use I-S -- it's not Oasis -- I can't think of the
295 whole name of the CAD, but it's a different system. It's
296 not --
297
298 TC: Okay. BSO, Coral Springs, different systems.
299
300 KM: Different CAD.
301
302 TC: So when you're entering notes, to your --
303
304 KM: So we can't send them
305
306 TC: understanding
307
308 KM: They can't see them.
309
310 TC: Okay.
311
312 KM: No. They would have to actually have our CAD or we would
313 have to have theirs in order for us to see each other's
314 information. Other than that, we'd have to speak over
315 phone or radio.
316
317 TC: Okay.
318
319 MP: Okay. Um, do you recall just a good -- a good estimate of
320 how many calls were coming in during that time?
321
322 KM: I couldn't count them, to be honest with you. The phones
323 rang non-stop.
324
325 TC: The phones were constantly ringing?
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327 KM: Yes, and it was just -- if a phone was ringing, if you had
328 a free ear, grab it.
329
330 MP: Okay.
331
332 KM: So, yeah.
333
334 TC: At Coral Springs PD, do they -- at that time, do you
335 recall, in a rough estimate, how many people were answering
336 911 calls?
337
338 KM: There were probably nine or ten people answering. And
339 you're talking about -- my hats off to them multi-taskers,
340
341 TC: Uh-huh.
342
343 KM: -- um, because some of them also had radios. So I would
344 guess about nine or ten people.
345
346 TC: Okay. And so you guys were also listening to your Coral
347 Springs Dispatch radio?
348
349 KM: Right. We're all in the same room.
350
351 TC: On the same -
352
353 KM: So yeah, we're all in the -- not a confined space, but a
354 fairly -- a space where, if I had to say something to you,
355 if I spoke up, you should be able to hear me. It was very
356 loud but yeah, we're relatively close.
357
358 MP: How many channels were going on, radio channels?
359
360 KM: Um, to my knowledge, there was fire main, and I believe
361 there back up fire, there was PD main and a PD backup. So I
362 would say five or six.
363
364 TC: Okay.
365
366 KM: To my knowledge.
367
368 MP: Okay.
369
370 TC: Again, we understand that you may not know specifically
371 (unintelligible) --
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373 KM: Right. I mean, I don't exactly because I was kinda all over
374 the place. So but for that, yeah.
375
376 MP: Okay.
377
378 KM: If I had to, you know, say, I believe there were five to
379 six.
380
381 TC: Do you have any first-hand knowledge of who was dispatched
382 first from your department?
383
384 KM: No, and I will tell you why. Um, they had already
385 dispatched the first units by the time I walked through the
386 door.
387
388 TC: Got it.
389
390 MP: Okay.
391
392 KM: So, that was -- that part was already, that's why I said it
393 would have to of been, when I walked through, it would have
394 to been after or right at 2:30.
395
396 TC: Okay.
397
398 MP: Okay.
399
400 TC: Um, what I'm gonna do, um, got a few questions. You may or
401 may not have any information you can provide to it, but
402 we're just gonna ask you to make sure we ask everyone,
403 especially
404
405 KM: Okay.
406
407 TC: --in communications role. So, just bear with us. And just
408 because it's on here, I would just want to make sure, so we
409 know everyone was asked. When -- do you have any first-hand
410 knowledge of when law enforcement was first told about the
411 incident?
412
413 KM: No.
414
415 TC: Okay. Do you have any first-hand knowledge about when --
416 what or, um, or how they were told about the incident? Was
417 it radio, phone call, text, email?
418
419 KM: No.
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421 TC: Okay. Um, do you have any first-hand knowledge about which
422 law enforcement agency that was dispatched to the scene
423 initially?
424
425 KM: No.
426
427 TC: Okay. Um, do you have any first-hand knowledge about what
428 information was relayed to responding law enforcement
429 agency's other than Coral Springs? That wouldn't count, so
430 I'm sorry
431
432 KM: No. I wouldn't know that because, like I said, I know what
433 our protocol is, and I know that Parkland is handled by
434 BSO, and Coral Springs typically does not deal with the law
435 enforcement aspect, but I don't know what was said, or when
436 it was said, so I couldn't answer that.
437
438 MP: For the ones that you did contact, you mentioned earlier,
439 that you contacted, um, someone in regards to media, and
440 other agencies, what information were relying to them?
441
442 KB: We were trying to find out, um, A, the media relations and
443 staging, you know, area, and the reason why is because
444 there was so much media --
445
446 MP: Okay.
447
448 KB: -- and I mean they were just popping up out of bushes, --
449
450 MP: Right.
451
452 KB: -- I mean everywhere. So it was like, we need to get them
453 under control and then you have the other side, moms and
454 dads that want their babies, so we were trying to put a lid
455 on it and get everybody organized, and it was a matter of,
456 because law enforcement in handled by BSO, we need to know
457 -- we had to let them take the lead and tell us what they
458 want done.
459
460 MP: Okay. Now, did they provide that information to you?
461
462 KB: Yes, I spoke with um, Tangela Tucker. She's the site
463 manager for central regional BSO.
464
465 MP: Uh-huh.
466
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467 KM: And, um, we had two or three conversations and, um, she
468 provided the responding PIO information for me.
469
470 MP: Uh-huh.
471
472 KM: And once I was able to get that information phone number
473 and location for staging, um, then I just gave it to the
474 rest of the room. I just printed it out real quick and just
475 put it in everyone console, so that -
476
477 MP: Okay.
478
479 KM: -- because we were also getting calls for-- well, you know,
480 this is so and so with whoever, channel whatever, you know,
481 where's the -- where would they be holding the press, where
482 do we meet? Where do we congregate? And so we had to get
483 that information. Um, but yeah, so after I talked to her, I
484 was able to get the information. She got it to me
485 relatively quickly and we just put out there.
486
487 MP: Okay. Did you request anything and did not get a response?
488 Was there anything that you specifically requested from the
489 sheriff's office and you didn't get a response regarding
490 it?
491
492 KB: Um, let me go back -- well, when I was with talking with
493 Tangela, I initially needed to find out about the PIO, I
494 did call the North Regional. However, I have Tangela's cell
495 phone number, so I called her and she wasn't working, she
496 ·injured her foot, so yeah.
497
498 MP: Okay.
499
500 KB: Yeah so, when I called her, I actually called her cell
501 phone.
502
503 MP: Okay.
504
505 KB: And she was like, yeah - 'cause I was like, I'm on hold,
506 and people -- and it was just a matter of, my supervisor's
507 asking me, even though I'm new, asking me to do something,
508 so I wanna get it done in a timely manner.
509
510 MP: Right.
511
512 KB: This is not -- you know, where we can sit around and
513 twiddle our thumbs, we have to get this, you know -
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514 MP: Uh-huh.
515
516 KM: -- we need to put a little bit of, um, we need to expedite
517 this to get it done. So that's what I was trying to do.
518
519 MP: Good thing you had her cell phone number.
520
521 KB: Yeah, she used to be my boss so --
522
523 MP: You have anything else?
524
525 TC: Um, just to cover these again back with it, and if you
526 don't have any knowledge, you don't have any knowledge.
527 Um, did you experience any issues with patching?
528
529 KB: I did not initiate any patches. Um, I later found out that
530 there was an issue, I guess, with patching, um, but myself,
531 I didn't initiate because I didn't handle any radios.
532
533 MP: What issues did you find out later?
534
535 KB: I just found out that from the other end on BSO, they were
536 saying that they weren't -- they weren't a part of the
537 patch. Um, when it came up, I just said, well, the simple
538 solution to this is to ask Motorola, 'cause they gotta
539 record all of this. So they're gonna be able to tell you if
540 the patch was successful. Now, in theory and thinking, if I
541 call you and you don't answer your phone, and it's just an
542 open line, either I'm gonna hang up and call you again, or
543 find another way to contact you. So I just felt like that's
544 just what needed to be done. But that didn't happen so, you
545 know but no, I didn't initiate patches though.
546
547 TC: Did you experience any issues with over talking? I guess
548 that's more with the radio. Trying to keep key up and
549 contact anybody? Have any issues with over talking?
550
551 KB: To my knowledge, we had no -- Coral Springs had no issues
552 with their radios and I didn't
553
554 TC: Okay.
555
556 KM: -- because again, I didn't go on the radio. So, I was never
557 told about or I never experienced any issues with the
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560 TC: Did you ever have any transmission issues, uh, via radio or
561 even your cell phone? I know - you know, we get a lot of -
562 - we've heard a lot of, you know, I mean everybody was
563 trying to use their phone in that small area, and it may
564 have clogged up the system. So I don't know --
565
566 KB: You know, that was the one thing I didn't get to do. Um, I
567 did not. My, um, my mother, who -- she's um, 75, 77, she
568 pays attention to everything and I guess had been trying to
569 call me, but my phone is always on mute, so I don't know if
570 she was trying to call me. I mean she was like, she said,
571 "I called you." And I'm like, "Mother, if you were watching
572 the news, and you knew I'm dealing with this, then you know
573 I didn't have time to talk to you so," but no, I didn't
574 have any issues.
575
576 TC: Okay.
577
578 KM: I mean I can't speak on behalf of everybody else, but I
579 didn't.
580
581 TC: So, none of those issues, trying to reach anybody? Any of
582 your officers or anything?
583
584 KB: Um, no. Um, the two or three officers that I talked to, and
585 the phone calls I made, they all went through. And it was
586 crazy 'cause we had just had a phone upgrade the night
587 before. Not even 24 hours before that.
588
589 TC: Yeah. Wow. And did you experience any 911 calls dropped or
590 unanswered, or any first-hand knowledge of that?
591
592 KB: Um, I'm trying to think. I don't recall if I had to call
593 back any 911 calls or not. We kept an eye on the abandoned
594 calls because of the way they come in. It say's "abandon
595 calls" and you can look at them. So I think they --
596 everybody was kind of in hyper-drive, and so they were
597 getting -- rolling through the calls but I don't recall
598 having to call back any 911 calls.
599
600 MP: Okay. Um, you good? Okay. The next question -- the few
601 questions I have is regarding training. Um, since you've
602 been there since January, uh, do you know, or have you ever
603 received any uh, agency training with multi-jurisdictional
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606 KB: Um, we've discussed it and I -- I guess, I was -- how's the
607 best way to answer this, I'm already aware of, you know,
608 what needs to be done, so for me, um, I've gone through it
609 and talked, you know, with, um, the training coordinator.
610 We've talked about it.
611
612 MP: Uh-huh,
613
614 KB: And she's like, "so you get when?" And I'm like, I
615 understand exactly what needs to be done, because again,
616 I've worked for BSO. So I know the other side of it. So, I
617 know how to play well with others, I guess, is the best way
618 you can
619
620 MP: Right. Do you know others in the, um, Communication Center
621 at Coral Springs --
622
623 KB: I can't speak because I don't know. I know that there has
624 been, um, you know, there -- there've been different
625 appointments, I guess you can say, new appointments in
626 training and everything like that, so I don't know what
627 people that are there already know.
628
629 MP: What training -- okay.
630
631 KB: I'm still kind of scoping it out myself. But no, honestly
632
633
634 MP: When was the last time you received training? Was it when
635 you were at the Sheriff's Office?
636
637 KB: Um, I had some training, not with Broward Sheriff's Office.
638 I've had previous experience in training --
639
640 MP: Okay.
641
642 KB: -- in Marion County (unintelligible). So when they, you
643 know, mentioned this is what we do over here, I was like
644 you don't even need to show me because I'm aware. Um, it's
645 the job and mechanics are the same, you just really have to
646 learn the CAD. Even the radio is almost the same, you know.
647
648 MP: Okay.
649
650 KB: One's digital, ones analog, but I mean they're essentially
651 the same. So, um --
652
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653 MP: Okay.
654
655 KB: I don't think they really had to give me any training. Um,
656 like I said, I don't know about others that are employed
657 with the city of Coral Springs because I don't know what
658 training they've had up to this point.
659
660 MP: Well, with the training that you've received, what does it
661 uh, say about relaying information to other agencies in
662 such an incident like this?
663
664 KB: So, depending on what, if it's fire rescue or OLE, you're
665 either able to go across, um, a 14-call radio, which I
666 think every agency pretty much has. Um, or you can go one
667 the ops channels for fire. There is a Broward County fire
668 main channel that you can go on as well. So one of those
669 channels could have been utilized, I don't know that it was
670 or was not because, again, I didn't work on the radio that
671 day.
672
673 MP: Okay.
674
675 KB: So --
676
677 TC: All right.
678
679 MP: You have anything else?
680
681 TC: I'm good.
682
683 MP: All right, in regards to this investigation, is there
684 anything that we have either failed to ask you or that
685 you'd like to add or clarify in your statement today?
686
687 KB: Um, no, not that I can think of.
688
689 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange for your
690 statement today?
691
692 KB: No, just, you better be there. We promise you won't go to
693 jail if you go. That was it. Yeah, my boss was very clear
694 about; you need to be there, 'cause I was like, it's my day
695 off. She's like, I don't care, you need to be there, so
696 yeah.
697
698 MP: Yeah, you're here. You understand?
699
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700 KB: So I understand, yes. So I understand what subpoenas are
701 for. I've done this before. So it was just like, we really
702 can't -- I was making jokes about, can we just facetime?
703 They're like no; you have to go so --
704
705 MP: That's funny. All right. Has the information you provided
706 during this interview been the truth to the best of your
707 knowledge or you recollection?
708
709 KB : Yes , ma' am.
710
711 MP: All right, this interview is concluded. 10:37 a.m. on
712 Monday, May 14th, 2018.
713
714 KB: All right.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF ELIZABETH DiBENEDETTO, EI-26-0079,
2 05/14/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 ED ELIZABETH DiBENEDETTO
10
11 MP: The date is Monday, May 14th, 2018. The time now is
12 approximately 3:37 p.m. I'm Inspector Meschelle
13 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
15 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
16 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. We'll be
17 questioning Miss Elizabeth DiBenedetto as a witness
18 in an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-
19 26-0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of
20 this investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
26 being given by you as part of the investigation into
27 the law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
28 Douglas School shooting that occurred on February
29 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
30 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
31 Do you understand that?
32
33 ED: Yes.
34
35 MP: Okay. Prior to beginning this interview, you should
36 be aware of the following. This interview is being
37 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I'm
38 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
39 In a moment, I'll be taking a sworn statement from
40 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
41 provide false statements, you can be criminally
42 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
43 items I've just informed you of?
44
45 ED: Yes.
46
47 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record
48 reflect that she's raised her right hand. Do you
49 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
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1 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
2
3 ED: I, do.
4
5 MP: Okay. Please state your full name for the record.
6
7 ED: Elizabeth Jean DiBenedet to.
8
9 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
10
11 ED: Coral Springs Police, Fire, Rescue Communications
12 Center
13
14 MP: Okay.
15
16 ED: city of Coral Springs.
17
18 MP: In what capacity do you --
19
20 ED: I am a Call Taker, 911 Opera tor
21
22 MP: Okay. And how long --
23
24 ED: in the Dispatch --
25
26 MP: have you been --
27
28 ED: Center.
29
30 MP: in that position?
31
32 ED: Uh, December will be 23 years.
33
34 MP: Oh, wow. As of -- okay. In the same position?
35
36 ED: Yeah.
37
38 MP: Okay. Um, prior to going on record we told you that
39 we have a series of questions that we'd like to ask
40 you and I'll let, um, Inspector Cope start here.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 ED: Okay.
45
46 TC: And so we'll just kinda take you back to February
47 14th, 2018. Obviously, you know we had the shooting
48 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, uh, High School. So,
49 what we kinda wanna do, just kinda -- if you can
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1 involved in that, how that information filtered down
2 and then filtered out for us.
3
4 ED: Okay. I was, um, at home
5
6 TC: You were at home? Okay.
7
8 ED: -- it was my day off. I -- my daughter texted me a
9 question what was going on. I called my Dispatch
10 Center, um, they couldn't talk really. They just
11 said, uh, uh, there was an incident, uh -- well, I
12 was checking for Sawgrass Springs Mill 'cause my
13 granddaughter goes there.
14
15 TC: Uh-huh.
16
17 EC: So, um, they said, no, no, it's Marjory -- uh, uh,
18 it's Stoneman. Um, so that was it. I hung-up, I
19 went back to -- yeah. And, um, my daughter called
20 me again, "Ma, I think it's big." So, I says, "Let
21 me call there and see if they need assistance." I
22 called and they said, "Get in here now."
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 ED: And I hung-up and I was on my way. And --
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 ED: -- that's how I got involved.
33
34 MP: Now are you in a supervisory position in the --
35
36 ED: Uh, no.
37
38 MP: -- Communications Center?
39
40 ED: Uh, just a CTO.
41
42 MP: Okay.
43
44 ED: Uh-huh.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 TC: All right. Um, so do you know about approximately
49 what time you got to the Communications Center?
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1 ED : Uh, a 1itt1 e bit after 3 : 3 0 - -
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 ED: -- or about 3: 30.
6
7 TC: So, about 3:30. Okay. Um, walk us through what --
8 what you did.
9
10 ED: I immediately manned an open phone, um, console and
11 I started taking call~.
12
13 TC: Okay. Um, since you were called in -- uh, you
14 weren't called you in, but you -- so, hey, you need
15 help --
16
17 ED: Well, the
18
19 TC: let's go.
20
21 ED: the supervisor said, yes, get in here and I --
22
23 TC: Get in. Okay.
24
25 ED: -- I went.
26
27 TC: Got you.
28
29 ED: That's how
30
31 TC: You asked --
32
33 ED: -- we usually do for large --
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 ED: -- structured, uh, incidents that are occurring or
40 even bad weather stuff.
41
42 TC: Um, did -- did they activate pretty much everybody
43 they could get a hold of?
44
45 ED: Um, I don't -- to be honest I don't know.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 ED: I don't know if they called anyone. I -- like, I
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2
3 TC: Okay. And then, so you get there, uh, open phone
4 console, what does that mean when you're talking
5 about sitting down to
6
7 ED: Someone that's not
8
9 TC: (unintelligible)?
10
11 ED: sitting at it --
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 ED: -- that you know other people sitting at consoles
16 and I took the first open one that I can man.
17
18 TC: What type of calls is it receiving? Is it strictly
19 911 or just incoming from the public?
20
21 ED: All.
22
23 TC: All calls? Okay.
24
25 ED: Non-emergency, emergency lines.
26
27 TC: Okay. Forgive us we're going in kinda blind --
28
29 ED: That's okay.
30
31 TC: not understanding it. So, um --
32
33 MP: Do you recall approximately how many open, um,
34 consoles there were?
35
36 ED: At that time, I think -- actually it wasn't open --
37 it was someone --
38
39 MP: Okay.
40
41 ED: -- uh, who had been sitting there, um, taking calls
42 and I relieved them.
43
44 MP: Okay, okay.
45
46 TC: Okay.
47
48 ED: Okay. 'Cause they really had to go. Um, they were a
49 Bravo -- on Bravo shift --
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1 TC: Uh-huh.
2
3 ED: -- which is -- ends at three, um, and they had a
4 baby waiting there -- you know they had to go home.
5
6 TC: Uh-huh, okay.
7
8 ED: At least they -- uh, they were -- they couldn't stay
9 longer.
10
11 TC: Yeah. So, you
12
13 MP: Right, okay.
14
15 TC: -- you backed up -- so you filled in for someone?
16
17 ED: Yeah, so I filled in for someone who had to leave
18
19 TC: And, uh
20
21 ED: so I took their spot.
22
23 TC: and we've talked to other people. The shift
24 change was -- is right about
25
26 ED: It was, yeah.
27
28 TC: close to shift change.
29
30 ED: It was
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 ED: -- the time, yeah.
35
36 TC: Um, when you get on to the call, um, what is -- so -
37 - okay. So, you're not involved with the initial
38 dispatch or anything of that nature. What -- what -
39 - is it that's coming into your, um, station there?
40
41 ED: I to be honest with you, I apologize, I only --
42 recollect maybe a handful of types of calls. Um,
43 one of my first ones was a friend of Luke Hoyer's
44 mom. Uh, she was looking for her son --
45
46 TC: Uh-huh.
47
48 ED: -- because one of their friends told her that he was
49 shot and she wanted to know if we couldn't find out
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1 check -- find out who had a list of who was sent to
2 what hospital or who was over at -- maybe he hadn't
3 been shot, you know, wrong information and that
4 maybe he was over at the Marriott or somewhere else,
5 you know wherever they were bringing them. And, um,
6 I spoke to them twice 'cause they checked up later
7 on. Um, and the phones just kept on and we were
8 going one-to-one and then, um, I spoke with someone
9 who had called Parks and Recs who wanted to know if
10 the media could stay overnight, which I didn't think
11 there would be a problem --
12
13 TC: Uh-huh.
14
15 ED: -- but, obviously I had to find out. So, I spoke to
16 my Echo unit. I also spoke to my PIO, uh, office,
17 uh, unit and it was okay, you know. It was -- and -
18 - and then there was just a slew of people, can I go
19 home now? Um, is it the -- the street blocked?
20 Those were the type of calls I was getting. Uh,
21 what's going on? You know, stuff like that.
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 ED: I don't remember any --
26
27 TC: Did you have to do any --
28
29 ED: details.
30
31 TC: sort of -- after you got there at 3: 30 did you
32 have to do any sort of dispatching or anything?
33
34 ED: No, I don't dispatch.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 ED: I take 911 --
39
40 TC: Just take the calls?
41
42 ED: -- lines.
43
44 TC: Okay. Uh, did you have to transfer any calls to any
45 other agency, communication center?
46
47 ED: Probably.
48
49 TC: Okay. Did you find that there was any issues that
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2 ED: No.
3
4 TC: Okay.
5
6 ED: No.
7
8 TC: And I know this is after kinda the initial incident
9 stuff. So, but
10
11 ED: Yeah. But, the phones were still jammed, yeah.
12
13 TC: They were still slammed, but you didn't have issues
14 trying to -- if somebody needed to talk to another
15 area and --
16
17 ED: No.
18
19 TC: -- you didn't have problems transferring or anything
20 like that?
21
22 ED: No, not at all.
23
24 TC: Okay. And so you weren't -- your specific position
25 does not deal with the radio like dispatching
26 officers? Or any --
27
28 ED: No.
29
30 TC: So how does that work? I guess if you -- the 911
31 call or a call comes in and it needs to go -- uh,
32 are you able to -- do you forward that to a
33 dispatcher?
34
35 ED: I don't need to -- right. Uh, we enter it into a
36 CAD system.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 ED: That CAD system, it gets put on to a holding -- uh,
41 well a status screen.
42
43 TC: Okay.
44
45 ED: And they dispatch from there to, you know -- so,
46 they're on the radios in the circle area. You
47 should come by and see it sometime.
48
49 TC: Yeah.
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1 ED: Uh, it's a circle and we have our fire main and our
2 police main. As we take the calls and you can take
3 calls from any of these consoles. Um, they're put
4 into the system and immediately routed out and it
5 sends. And everybody, like one major call which
6 we're --
7
8 TC: Uh-huh.
9
10 ED: referring to, um -- all the information that may
11 be getting is going in there and anything that needs
12 to be transferred, you know, um, uh -- but at that
13 point, I mean, you know it was just lot of calls
14 from our residents.
15
16 TC: Got you.
17
18 ED: When is the street gonna be opened?
19
20 MP: Uh-huh.
21
22 ED: What's going on, you know? Uh, is it something here
23 or there, you know? Is it safe, you know?
24
25 MP: Now when you initially, uh, logged on did you
26 receive any calls from any of the students -- excuse
27 me --
28
29 ED: I did not.
30
31 MP: -- inside (unintelligible) at school? Okay.
32
33 ED: I did not.
34
35 MP: Yeah.
36
37 ED: I got there, uh, when they already had secured it --
38
39 MP: Okay.
40
41 ED: -- and, um, started clearing it out. He had not
42 been yet, um, taken into custody and we were getting
43 calls. In fact, I think one person had gotten a
44 call from a lady saying I think I just saw, blah,
45 blah, blah and then we put it over the radio and
46 everyone responded. That was one --
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2 TC: Uh-huh.
3
4 ED: -- gotten there.
5
6 MP: Okay.
7
8 TC: Um, I think I wanna review that.
9
10 MP: Yeah.
11
12 TC: Let me just go over the training section, uh, that
13 they've asked -- uh, to ask you guys. Uh, does your
14 agency have training related to multijurisdictional
15 response to an incident?
16
17 ED: We learn about it. We haven't physically worked
18 with mock
19
20 TC: Uh-huh.
21
22 ED: -- we have mock scenarios
23
24 TC: Right.
25
26 ED: -- that we participate with, um, our -- our extended
27 agent -- our agency and oftentimes there might be
28 other agencies. But, us personally in Dispatch, no
29 we don't have like a joined, um, training --
30
31 TC: Uh-huh.
32
33 ED: -- session to train for such a, uh, an interagency -
34 - a mutual aid thing. We do mutual aid often anyway
35
36
37 TC: Uh-huh.
38
39 ED: -- uh, but we haven't trained for it. We don't have
40 mock scenarios to work on that -- that -- we do a
41 lot of, uh, other type of training, you know.
42
43 TC: Okay. Um, so I guess the other ones of how often
44 and, uh, last time you had it -- um, what does your
45 training say about relaying information to other
46 agencies in -- in such a large scale incident? Um,
47 I -- I don't know is there -- is it different
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2 TC: in place in --
3
4 ED: our policy is that if it's um -- we supply EMS
5 and Fire-Rescue to Parkland. Uh, I guess the only
6 thing I can say is that at a certain point we knew
7 that other calls were already transferred and they
8 were notified and whatever, I mean.
9
10 TC: Uh-huh.
11
12 ED: Um, as -- as far as policy goes, I mean we are
13 handling the Fire-Rescue if it was anything, uh
14 at the time I was -- I wasn't putting in -- calls
15 specifically for Marjory -- that incident where we
16 were dispatching anyone, uh, Fire-Rescue or
17 otherwise. Uh, but as far as training for that
18 goes, when we can connect we do. Uh, what we -- you
19 know immediately the main priority is getting
20 medical, uh, you know our resources out to them at
21 the same time. Perfect -- I'll use an example --
22
23 TC: Uh-huh.
24
25 ED: -- if you want.
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 ED: We -- do -- uh, we do back-up often for the
30 Sawgrass. Any incident that comes in for the
31 Sawgrass, we put calls in whether it's -- uh,
32 garbage on the roadway, whether it's an accident,
33 whether it's a reckless driver, we put calls in. We
34 dispatch, we immediately -- uh, and at some point
35 when I'm getting the information, which direction
36 they're going, what they're approaching, any
37 description, I'm getting my information at that
38 point. Then I start getting for, uh, FHP on which
39 is mutual aid --
40
41 TC: Uh-huh.
42
43 ED: -- because it's their jurisdiction technically.
44
45 TC: Right.
46
47 MP: Okay.
48
49 ED: But, we're closer and we're gonna get to them a lot
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2
3 TC: Uh-huh.
4
5 ED: So, um, I get that information in. And, uh, before
6 I disconnect, I connect them and I introduce them
7 and I tell them what I have and then -- they could
8 get whatever information for my caller. And that's
9 usually how we are trained to do it with any call.
10 A medical call --
11
12 TC: Uh-huh.
13
14 ED: -- a normal medical heart call for Parkland, um, I
15 get the -- I initiate my heart call -- my medical
16 call 'cause I have to start getting Fire-Rescue out
17 there. Um, at that point I get whatever information
18 I can. Sometimes say it is a heart call that -- and
19 someone mentions that it is -- and they -- we only
20 give them a heads up. We call, that's our policy
21 with them to give them a heads up that we have EMS
22 running in their city, in Parkland. Um, there are
23 times when we need EMS, uh, such as like an accident
24 with injuries, uh, a domestic, a suicide call.
25 These are times where we need police. So, we try
26 and get them on the phone more soon -- you know more
27 quicker
28
29 TC: Uh-huh.
30
31 ED: -- than you know. But, uh, the main goal is to get
32 the medical calls and get, uh, first-aid to --
33 given, uh, stabilize the patient and clarify --
34 secure the area as we're -- transferring to get them
35 started out --
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 ED: -- you know. Sometimes if I can't transfer myself,
40 I will yell to someone else, call BSO, let the
41 Parkland, let them know that we are running EMS and
42 that it might be a suicide call, just to give you a
43 hypothetical.
44
45 MP: And that was actually gonna be my -- a follow-up
46 question. Do you guys communicate often with BSO
47
48
49 ED: Yeah.
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1 MP: um, providing information? And how is that done?
2 Is it over the radio? How how is that
3
4 ED: No, no, if -- if I'm -- if we're on a call usually
5 the call to person taking the call, we'll transfer
6 the call over if we and --
7
8 TC: Uh-huh.
9
10 ED: -- or in other circumstances if it is a call where I
11 can't a lot of times, you know there is, uh,
12 risks when you're transferring to, um, disconnect.
13 They disconnect all the time when they're
14 transferring to us. So, if I have someone that is
15 on the phone that I can't risk losing, that I don't
16 want to lose their connection, I don't. I'll yell
17 to someone else, call BSO, let them know this is --
18 you know, you -- pull up my call.
19
20 TC: Got it.
21
22 ED: They pull up my call --
23
24 TC: Uh-huh.
25
26 ED: -- they give them the information that's in it and
27 once they know, you know, I mean that's it. I'll
28 stay on the phone or I'll try and -- you know, if I
29 can -- if -- most calls we disconnect and we let
30 them know, especially if they're just EMS calls and
31 they're no need, like it's not a -- there's no, uh,
32 PD necessary, uh, at that point we handle the -- the
33 EMS side. We let them know we're running in the
34 city. They take down the information and they say
35 okay, thanks and that's the end of it, you know.
36
37 MP: Okay. And you may or may not be able to answer
38 this, but on this particular day, February 14th when
39 this happened, uh, how was the information relayed
40 from Coral Springs to Broward County Sheriff's
41 Office?
42
43 ED: I could assure you, uh, many ways, but I know for a
44 fact, uh, there was calls that were -- people
45 called. My supervisor, Patrick had called and gave
46 them the information, as well as other people
47 calling.
48
49 MP: Okay.
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1 ED: Some calls were transferred. I mean, during the
2 time that I was -- I know I tried -- I believe I
3 transferred a couple that may have been from
4 Parkland residents asking questions. I'm not -- uh,
5 I'm not privy to give them --
6
7 MP: Right.
8
9 ED: -- and I don't know what their policies are.
10
11 TC: Right.
12
13 MP: Right.
14
15 ED: Um, and so those were transferred. Anything in my
16 jurisdiction with my residents asking questions, I
17 tried to give the -- you know to guide them within
18 my policies and procedures.
19
20 MP: Okay. Do you recall or know whether or not
21 information was relayed over the radio to, uh,
22 Broward?
23
24 ED: You know, I'm -- I was sitting in the back-back.
25
26 MP: Uh-huh.
27
28 ED: We call it Parkland because it's the back back, you
29 know. And, I'm taking the calls. I really wasn't
30 listening to a radio.
31
32 MP: Okay.
33
34 ED: I wasn't paying attention -- we were too busy
35 answering phone calls and calls and calls.
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 MP: Uh-huh.
40
41 ED: And even the people that were in that circle that
42 sit right to one, I could assure you they're doing
43 their job.
44
45 MP: Uh-huh.
46
47 ED: You know whoever's doing what job probably they --
48 they don't know who was talking to who.
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2 ED: I mean, you know it's just --
3
4 MP: Okay. Are you aware of any communication issues
5 that occurred that day at all?
6
7 ED: No, I'm not aware of any at all
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 ED: -- you know. I -- I know that we all did a really
12 great job.
13
14 MP: Uh-huh.
15
16 ED: I don't wanna pat myself on the back --
17
18 MP: I understand.
19
20 ED: -- 'cause I'm not -- 'cause I wasn't there during
21 the traumatic point of it --
22
23 MP: Uh-huh.
24
25 ED: -- and I -- uh, you know, but from what I see and
26 from what I, you know -- I know my coworkers did an
27 amazing job --
28
29 TC: Uh-huh.
30
31 ED: -- and it -- they did get whatever information to
32 BSO. Again, I think a lot of people if they had a
33 critical person on the phone did not transfer it.
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 ED: And I could only surmise that it was because out of
38 fear of losing them. You can't lose some kid who is
39 hysterical -- sitting next to a dead body, uh --
40
41 MP: Uh-huh.
42
43 ED: -- and risk losing them. You can't. I -- I
44 wouldn't want my grandchild to be in that -- I can
45 assure you if you have kids --
46
47 MP: Uh-huh.
48
49 ED: -- you can understand that. It's a voice of safety.
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2 and safe, you know. And, I wouldn't do it. I just
3 wouldn't.
4
5 MP: Okay, okay. You got anything ~lse? All right. Um,
6 in·regards to this investigation is there anything
7 that we have either failed to ask you or that you
8 would like to add or clarify in your statement
9 today?
10
11 ED: No.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 ED: Uh, no, I think you did a good job.
16
17 MP: Thank you. Have you been promised anything in
18 exchange for your statement today?
19
20 ED: No, not even a cup of coffee.
21
22 TC: We, uh, we haven't got one either if that makes you
23
24
25 ED: I think that's shame -- shame on them. They
26 should've provided you a whole barrel full of
27 coffee.
28
29 MP: Has the information you've provided during this
30 interview been the truth to the best of your
31 knowledge or recollection?
32
33 ED: Absolutely.
34
35 MP: All right. This interview is concluded at 3:55
36 p.m., on Monday, May 14th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF ERIN KAFKA, EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 MP INSPECOTR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
7 EK ERIN KAFKA
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9
10
11 MP: Today's date is Monday May 14, 2018. The time now is
12 approximately 10:44 a.m. I'm Inspector Meschelle
13 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also, present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
15 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
16 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. I'll be questioning
17 Miss Erin Kafka as a witness in an official FDLE
18 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Inspector
19 Keith Riddick is in charge of this investigation.
20
21 On February 25th, 2018 Florida Governor Rick Scott
22 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
23 response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
24 record, I would like to clarify this is -- that this
25 is a witness statement being given to as part of
26 this investigation into the law enforcement response
27 to the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school shooting that
28 occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
29 subpoenaed to be -- to appear today and are being
30 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
31 understand that?
32
33 EK: I do.
34
35 MP: Okay. Prior to beginning this interview, you should
36 be aware of the following, this interview is being
37 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer; I'm
38 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
39 In a moment, I'll be taking a sworn statement from
40 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
41 provide false statements you can be criminally
42 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
43 items I've just informed you of?
44
45 EK: I do.
46
47 MP: Okay. Please, raise your right hand. Let the record
48 reflect that she's raised her right hand. Do you
49 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
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2
3 EK: I do.
4
5 MP: Okay. For the record, please, state your full name?
6
7 EK: Erin Nicole Kafka.
8
9 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
10
11 EK: The City of Coral Springs.
12
13 MP: All right. And what position are you in?
14
15 EK: I'm a telecommunicator, dispatcher.
16
17 MP: Okay. And how long have you been in that position?
18
19 EK: Approximately 12 years.
20
21 MP: Okay.
22
23 EK: 2006, July.
24
25 MP: Okay. And all with Coral Springs PD?
26
27 EK: Yes.
28
29 MP: All right.
30
31 EK: PD and FD.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 TC: Um, can you just kinda walk us through on February
36 14th of this year, um, how you became involved with
37 the incident that occurred at, uh, Marjorie Stoneman
38 Douglas High School?
39
40 EK: Yes. I was home and received a page through the SWAT
41 telephone, uh, that there was an active shooter,
42 advising it's not a drill, and I immediately turned
43 my radio on. Confirmed. Got dressed. Responded to
44 2801 Coral Springs Drive, which is the
45 Communications Unit, to see where I could be of
46 assistance, and then I was immediately directed to
47 go to the command vehicle and did so with Barry
48 Kolesar. Barry Kolesar drove us there. And the
49 command vehicle for Coral Springs Police Department
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2 TC: And, again, we got the map here. If you could just,
3 approximately, mark there --
4
5 EK: Sure.
6
7 TC: -- and the highlight with the pink, um, where the
8 command post -- yeah. You can just use that. Um --
9
10 MP: The pink.
11
12 TC: -- the pink one.
13
14 EK: Okay. So, um, Pine Island is here.
15
16 TC: Yep.
17
18 EK: Sawgrass runs, um, east and west at this point, and
19 we -- we were right underneath that.
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 EK: So, I'm just gonna go ahead and put a little mark
24 there.
25
26 TC: And for the record, I'm just gonna reflect, on all
27 these, whatever ones we use, I marked north on each
28 one.
29
30 EK: Uh-huh.
31
32 MP: Yeah.
33
34 TC: Uh, you know, there was something, before you guys
35 started or we forgot to ask, how long have you been
36 working for the City of Coral Springs?
37
38 EK: I started in 2006.
39
40 TC: 2006?
41
42 MP: Twelve years.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 EK: So, about 12 years, yeah. July.
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
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3 EK: No.
4
5 TC: -- before that?
6
7 EK: No.
8
9 TC: Okay. So, Coral Springs all the way. Sorry. I just
10 wanted to clarify that. Okay. So, you, um -- did you
11 have any particular assignment, uh, that you were
12 given when you got out there?
13
14 EK: Not assignment. My response was to be on the command
15 vehicle and be assigned as needed.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 MP: And who gave you that assignment?
20
21 EK: As a SWAT dispatcher that is our -- I'm, uh --
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 EK: -- I'm a tactical dispatcher.
26
27 MP: Gotcha.
28
29 EK: So, I respond to the command vehicle.
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 EK: That is my assignment. And then assignments are
34 delegated while on bus.
35
36 TC: Can you, um -- 'cause I got no idea, what type of --
37 what's the difference between a regular dispatcher
38 and SWAT dispatcher?
39
40 EK: We are -- it's two separate titles. It's just an
41 extra duty.
42
43 TC: Sure.
44
45 EK: Um
46
47 TC: Do you get special training for that?
48
49 EK: We we get special training. You do have to be
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2
3 TC: Okay. And so, when -- when if you get called, uh
4 -- does Coral Springs have its own SWAT team?
5
6 EK: They do, yes.
7
8 TC: Okay. And so, you would be their dispatcher? So, if
9 SWAT gets called out --
10
11 EK: Yes. And we go.
12
13 TC: -- you get called?
14
15 EK: Correct.
16
17 TC: You're part of the team?
18
19 EK: And they' re
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 EK: -- right now, currently, there are six of us and we
24 rotate call out --
25
26 TC: Got it.
27
28 EK: -- per say.
29
30 MP: Gotcha.
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 EK: So, this, um --
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 EK: -- because of the nature and the magnitude of it --
39
40 TC: Yes.
41
42 EK: -- we all just all hands-on deck.
43
44 TC: Got it.
45
46 EK: Yeah.
47
48 TC: Okay. Um, what type of, uh -- uh -- um, things did
49 you do when you were at the command post
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2 EK: Um, I recall scribing. What we do is we open up, uh
3 -- the computer and do on a Word document, um, for
4 SWAT team, so that -- and it's just the SRT channel
5 so that I'm working with them and their tactical,
6 um, when they were in the 1200 Building and clearing
7 the 1200 Building. I do recall that. That was pretty
8 much what I was assigned when I went onto the bus.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 EK: Reporting.
13
14 TC: So, when you got on scene were you communicating
15 with officers inside the 1200 Building?
16
17 EK: I was acknowledging their transmissions on the
18 radio.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 EK: Uh, the Commander, the head lead, I don't remember
23 who it was, he was running the radio. I, basically,
24 was scribing what was saying.
25
26 TC: Okay. This, uh, report -- or this scribing that you
27 talk about, is this maintained in files, like a SWAT
28 team file, or
29
30 EK: You could get with the --
31
32 TC: after action report?
33
34 EK: yeah.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 EK: You could get with the Commander on that.
39
40 TC: Okay. So, the SWAT Commander would have access
41
42 EK: Correct.
43
44 TC: -- to -- to that stuff? Okay. And would, um -- how -
45 - were you communicating to them by phone, by radio,
46 both?
47
48 EK: Radio.
49
50 TC: Radio? Okay. Do you remember what channel?

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2 EK: So, I was on SRT-1. We have an SRT specific channel.
3 It is encrypted. To my knowledge, it is encrypted.
4
5 TC: Is it recorded?
6
7 EK: All of our channels should be --
8
9 TC: Okay.
10
11 EK: -- recorded. You will have to verify that. I do
12 believe it is.
13
14 TC: Okay. Um -- so, you -- and correct us if we're wrong
15 and, uh, we're trying not to make assumptions. Were
16 -- our understanding is, Coral Springs PD, the
17 radio, you're only communicating with Coral Springs
18 officers?
19
20 EK: My assignment, yes.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 EK: My assignment was --
25
26 TC: Did you communicate with any other agencies during
27 that day?
28
29 EK: There were many people on the bus.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 EK: So, I couldn't tell you who was on the bus coming
34 and going.
35
36 TC: But you, with the radio, did you do -- try any radio
37 communications
38
39 EK: No.
40
41 TC: -- with BSO or --
42
43 EK: No. No. No. No. No.
44
45 TC: -- anybody else?
46
47 EK: No, sir.
48
49 TC: It was just with your guys? Got it.
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1 EK: It was with my SWAT team.
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 EK: Correct.
6
7 TC: Um --
8
9 MP: Would that -- were you ever asked to relay any
10 information from another agency to your SWAT guys?
11
12 EK: While I was assigned the SRT channel?
13
14 MP: Uh-huh.
15
16 EK: No. I was focusing on that channel and listening to
17 what they were telling me --
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 EK: -- and where they were.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 TC: Did you have to relay anything to anybody else on
26 the bus with another agency?
27
28 EK: Yes, I did. It was -- my chief -- my, um, Deputy
29 Chief Backer, Shawn Backer, he was with me, um, and
30 then I -- I think I had some commissioners. I think
31 there was a mayor there.
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 EK: Um, I really focused myself in on my radio and my
36 computer. Um, information was asked and I provided
37 when I could with what I could.
38
39 TC: Okay. Now, as -- as much specifics as you can get,
40 um, was there any -- if you're communicating back
41 and -- what type of information were you
42 communicating with the -- the officers in 1200 or
43 whatever they were doing? What type of tasks were
44 they doing?
45
46 EK: They were clearing the building.
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2 TC: Do you approximately know when you got to the
3 command vehicle?
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5 EK: I -- I do not. I do not
6
7 TC: Okay. Was it -- would it have been, to your
8 knowledge, after the suspected shooter was
9 apprehended, or?
10
11 EK: When the command page went out was when I responded.
12 Everything is documented via radio.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 EK: And I'm gonna be very honest with you, the time
17 really, really blended.
18
19 TC: Got it.
20
21 EK: And I did not -- I was not told that I had to kinda
22
23
24 MP: No. That's fine.
25
26 EK: -- prepare.
27
28 TC: That's fine. If --
29
30 MP: That's fine. That's fine.
31
32 EK: Okay.
33
34 TC: it it just helps us just kinda narrow it down
35 in terms of
36
37 EK: Absolutely.
38
39 TC: -- because we
40
41 EK: Absolutely.
42
43 TC: -- there's kind of -- you know, when they get there
44 there's a few -- you know, there's different things
45 that are happening so you -- you specifically
46 remember it was a clearing function?
47
48 EK: Right. The -- the shooting had already passed.
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2 TC: Got it.
3
4 MP: Okay.
5
6 TC: And that helps us narrow it down. So, this is
7 perfect.
8
9 EK: Sure.
10
11 MP: Uh-huh.
12
13 TC: So -- okay. Um, do you recall in your communications
14 with them was there any sort of issues, um, in the
15 communications with them? Were you having a problem
16 reaching them, or a talk-over? Anything like that
17 that you recall?
18
19 EK: Again, I was monitoring SRT. So, I was pretty much
20 parroting
21
22 TC: Uh-huh.
23
24 EK: -- and following what they were doing. Um, I do
25 recall I was on the bus when they actually found
26 Nicholas.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 EK: So, that helps
31
32 TC: That helps.
33
34 EK: -- the time.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 MP: Okay.
39
40 EK: Yeah.
41
42 MP: And you overheard this through others, or?
43
44 EK: This was on my channel.
45
46 MP: Oh.
47
48 TC: Oh.
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3
4 EK: This was -- this was -- it was being relayed onto
5 SRT. When I have my radio on, it is me and my radio
6 and my computer. I -- as much as I like --
7
8 TC: Gotcha.
9
10 EK: -- to say I'm a great multi-tasker, I have to --
11
12 MP: Got it. Got it.
13
14 EK: -- I have to focus one.
15
16 MP: Got it. Okay.
17
18 TC: Um, so the -- with officers inside, um, the 1200
19 Building, did you ever have an issue reaching them
20 when you keyed up?
21
22 EK: No.
23
24 TC: Or them reaching you? Did they --
25
26 EK: I did not.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 EK: Not on the channel I was monitoring, no.
31
32 TC: Did you overhear anything about communication
33 issues?
34
35 EK: At the time, no.
36
37 TC: Okay. Afterwards?
38
39 EK: I, again, was not monitoring the main channels. So,
40 anything I say will just be hearsay.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 EK: I can't go from first person.
45
46 TC: Perfect. Um -- and did you take any 911 calls? Have
47 any anything come in to you that you had to relay
48 anything?
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2 TC: Okay. Um -- anything?
3
4 MP: Not on that end. Um, the next few questions I have
5 all pertain to training. Um, did -- do you train
6 with your SWAT guys?
7
8 EK: Actively not yet.
9
10 MP: Okay.
11
12 EK: They train every Wednesday. They're trying to
13 incorporate us to get out there.
14
15 MP: Okay. So, have you received any type of, um, active
16 shooter type training?
17
18 EK: Yes, I have. We've done a mall shooting, active
19 shooter scenarios, and we've been asked to come out.
20 And I don't remember the year. But it was, um, a
21 whole bunch of agencies that came together for that.
22 They shut down the Coral Square Mall.
23
24 MP: Uh-huh.
25
26 EK: We -- we did work with that. I was part of that, as
27 the dispatcher, that did that scenario.
28
29 MP: Okay. And what agencies do you recall being there?
30
31 EK: I recall FBI was out there.
32
33 MP: Uh-huh.
34
35 EK: I recall Broward County was out there. And myself.
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 EK: Possibly more, but that is all I can recall right
40 now.
41
42 MP: Okay. And in in that scenario you were operating
43 in a -- from a dispatcher, uh --
44
45 EK: Yes, I was.
46
47 MP: -- position?
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49 EK: Yes, I was.
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1 MP: And so, what type of things did you do, um, during
2 the scenarios?
3
4 EK: In that situation, again, I was scribing.
5
6 MP: Okay.
7
8 EK: I was.
9
10 MP: Okay.
11
12 EK: I was documenting that situation.
13
14 MP: Okay. All right. Were you trained on how to receive,
15 take 911 calls and how to get information
16 dispatched?
17
18 EK: Absolutely. Yes, ma'am.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 EK: Yes, ma' am.
23
24 MP: And how to patch out stuff and everything? You --
25
26 EK: Well, the -- when you say, "patch out stuff", what
27 do you mean by "patch out"?
28
29 MP: Well, I mean, as far as patching information?
30
31 EK: Dispatching or patching?
32
33 MP: Just -- both.
34
35 EK: I don't -- ask me --
36
37 TC: I guess, explain to us what the --
38
39 EK: the question -- I -- I receive --
40
41 TC: what's the difference?
42
43 MP: Yeah.
44
45 TC: Yeah.
46
47 MP: Okay.
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49 EK: -- I receive information and I dispatch it.
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1 TC: Now, what does -- I guess, can you enlighten us on
2 to what the patching process is? Or when a patch
3 would be needed?
4
5 EK: Are we speaking of the radio patch?
6
7 TC: Yes.
8
9 EK: Okay. So, what I can go back to what I do is
10
11 TC: Uh-huh.
12
13 EK: -- a 911 call-taker position will receive a non-
14 emergency or an emergency call. They will route it
15 to me, who is on the radio. It is in my queue to
16 dispatch. I will take that call and I will dispatch
17 it to officers on the road. And that is my role as a
18 dispatcher. When it comes to patching a channel, I
19 have been learned how to patch channels.
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 EK: Yes.
24
25 TC: Okay.
26
27 MP: Thank you for educating us on that. So, thank you.
28 Um, with the training, also. So, you worked -- I
29 guess you guys were in a communication center or a
30 makeshift communication center for that -- for the
31 different scenarios at the mall?
32
33 EK: At the mall, yeah. There was, uh -- we were on our
34 command bus.
35
36 MP: Okay. Um --
37
38 EK: Actually, each
39
40 MP: okay.
41
42 EK: uh, agency that came out had their own bus.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 MP: Okay. Okay. Great. And, I guess, it's similar to as
47 -- in your position with the SWAT, you just dealt
48 specifically with Coral Springs?
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50 EK: I did. Correct.

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3
4 EK: I believe we hosted it, which means it was our SWAT
5 team that incorporated others. So, it was our
6 posting.
7
8 TC: Gotcha.
9
10 EK: Which meant it was our channel. There was no
11 patching involved at that time.
12
13 TC: Right.
14
15 MP: Okay.
16
17 EK: Uh-huh.
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 TC: Did you -- 'cause you -- you got the laptop. You're
22 scribing and everything. Um, we know from a previous
23 interview there -- there was a little bit of issue
24 with the Internet access and things like that. Did
25 that effect anything that you did that day?
26
27 EK: Yes. As a matter of fact, I was -- send a picture of
28 the suspect. It was requested to me and I passed
29 that on to my Deputy Chief, who was to my left. And
30 I sent it to Suzanne Fiorello that was in the
31 communication center. Because they wanted that out
32 to all the units on the call.
33
34 TC: Uh-huh.
35
36 EK: And that is the extent of my run-in with
37 communication and Internet issues.
38
39 TC: Uh-huh.
40
41 EK: Because at the time we did not have Internet
42 available and set up on the command bus. 'Cause when
43 I responded in, we were still setting up.
44
45 TC: Okay. And so, did that, uh -- was that pretty early
46 on after your arrival to get that picture out?
47
48 EK: It it was within the first 10 minutes.
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2 going on?
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4 EK: Not on my
5
6 TC: Or did to your knowledge (unintelligible)
7
8 EK: when I was scribing, no.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 EK: 'Cause I -- I -- that's a Word document and I wasn't
13 needing the Internet.
14
15 TC: And then specifically with the picture, it got to
16 the intended parties?
17
18 EK: It got to the intended parties, correct.
19
20 TC: Okay. All right.
21
22 MP: Okay. Um --
23
24 TC: Did, um -- in any of those -- from you recall from
25 the scribing, did you recall any information about,
26 um -- was there any concerns about multipl~ agencies
27 and, uh, as they're clearing the buildings having
28 any blue on blue incidents, or -- or anything like
29 that? Or did anything come along that slowed anybody
30 down? Or -- well -- how about let me -- let me
31 phrase it this way. Do you recall anything from that
32 communication that slowed law enforcements' response
33 to this incident?
34
35 EK: That specific question, no. We were in -- in
36 immediate response. The information that I
37 personally first-hand heard did seem to be either
38 delayed and then we didn't know how much delayed and
39 then we caught up to real time. I can't tell you
40 that I was part of that exact conversation.
41
42 TC: Uh-huh.
43
44 EK: But I can tell you that there was a lot of repeating
45 on what buildings were cleared, to clarify that,
46 because of a possible delay in information.
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2 relaying information to other agencies in active
3 type shooter training? What were -- how were you
4 told -- what were you told as far as how to handle
5 that information, getting it out to other agencies?
6
7 EK: The first thing that comes to mind is we use plain
8 talk, because not everybody uses the same codes and
9 signals.
10
11 MP: Uh-huh.
12
13 EK: I never really have been in a situation where I was
14 directly specifically told how to do it, other than
15 use plain talk so that we can all be on the same
16 page.
17
18 MP: Okay. All right. Have anything else?
19
20 TC: Um, I guess, following up on the plain talk issue,
21 uh -- and, again, I know it was limited to what you
22 received. Did you encounter any situations where
23 people were not using plain talk?
24
25 EK: I was on my channel, so we --
26
27 TC: So, still --
28
29 EK: basically, were --
30
31 TC: okay.
32
33 EK: talking within our code signals and at times
34 plain talk.
35
36 TC: Perfect. Okay.
37
38 MP: All right. Um, in regards to this investigation, is
39 there anything that we have either failed to ask or
40 that you'd like to add or clarify in your statement
41 today?
42
43 EK: Not to my knowledge, at this time. Thank you for
44 asking.
45
46 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
47 for providing this statement today?
48
49 EK: No, ma ' am .
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1 MP: Okay. Has the information you've provided, during
2 this interview, been the truth, to the best of your
3 knowledge or recollection?
4
5 EK : Yes , ma ' am.
6
7 MP: Okay. This interview is concluded at 11 a.m. on
8 Monday, May 14th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF OFFICER &R-}AN DAUGHERTY, EI-26-0079,
2 05/14/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 PT PATRICK THURMAN
10
11 MP: The date is Monday, May 14lli, 2018. The time now is
12 approximately 4:04 p.m. I am Inspector Meschelle
13 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
15 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
16 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. I'll be questioning
17 Mr. Patrick Thurman as a witness in an official FDLE
18 investigation, case number EI26-0079. Inspector
19 Keith Riddick is in charge of this investigation.
20
21 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
22 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
23 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
24 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
25 being given by you as a part of the investigation
26 into the law enforcement response to the Marjory
27 Stoneman Douglas School shooting that occurred on
28 February 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to
29 appear today and you are being compelled to provide
30 this statement. Do you understand that?
31
32 PT: Yes, I do.
33
34 MP: Okay. Uh, prior to giving to this interview you
35 should be aware of the following; this interview is
36 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
37 I am empowered to administer oaths and take
38 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
39 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
40 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
41 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
42 each of the items I've just informed you of?
43
44 PT: Yes, I do.
45
46 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record
47 reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do you
48 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
49 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth,
50 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

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2 PT : Amen, I do .
3
4 MP: Okay. For the record, please state your full name.
5
6 PT: Patrick William Thurman.
7
8 MP: Okay. And, your current place of employment?
9
10 PT: Uh, City of Coral Springs Police Department,
11 Communications Unit.
12
13 MP: Okay. And what's your, uh, position title?
14
15 PT: Uh, Communications Shift Supervisor.
16
17 MP: Okay. And how long have you been with Coral Springs
18 PD.
19
20 PT: With the Police Department or the city itself?
21 Because I've been a city employee since October of
22 1991 and I've been with the Police Department since
23 1994.
24
25 MP: Okay. And since you've been with the Police
26 Department have you been in just the Communication
27 Centers or have you been
28
29 PT: No. I started initially with records.
30
31 MP: Uh-huh.
32
33 PT: I went to the police academy, uh, graduated as an
34 officer, came back, went through FTO, did not make
35 it through FTO, became a Communications, excuse me,
36 an Emergency Call Taker, then a Telecommunicator and
37 currently a shift supervisor.
38
39 MP: Okay, all right. Um, Troy and I both have questions
40 for you, a series of questions. I'm gonna let him
41 begin and then I'll chime in and we'll both be
42 asking you questions. Okay?
43
44 PT: Okay.
45
46 MP: All right.
47
48 TC: All right. And -- and just, uh, going through, um,
49 how did you -- were you on duty during -- on
50 February 14th, 2018 the shooting at, uh, uh, Marjory

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1 Stoneman Douglas?
2
3 PT: Yes, sir. I was working.
4
5 TC: Okay. You were -- were you working in your official
6 capacity as a shift supervisor?
7
8 PT: I was, yes.
9
10 TC: Okay. So, um, if you wanna just kinda walk us
11 through your recollection of how it came in and
12 and where it went from there?
13
14 PT: Um, we -- I wanna saw we were at minimum staffing
15 plus trainees that day --
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 PT: -- if I remember correctly.
20
21 TC: With the -- what's the number in terms of minimum?
22
23 PT: Minimum staffing on Day Shift is six total.
24
25 TC: Six total.
26
27 PT: Four -- four of which are dispatch capable which can
28 include a supervisor, plus two people on phones.
29
30 TC: So just before the call comes in, so we understand
31 and just correctly reflect it, um, there were six
32 total working --
33
34 PT: I --
35
36 TC: including yourself?
37
38 PT: I believe so, if I remember
39
40 TC: Okay.
41
42 PT: -- correctly.
43
44 TC: And so you had four that were -- and what does --
45 does "dispatch capable" mean they can --
46
47 PT: That means that it has to be Telecommunicator or
48 supervisor.
49
50 TC: Okay.

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2 PT: All supervisors are not solely supervisors. We also
3 call take, we also dispatch, and we supervise.
4
5 TC: Okay. So, in this scenario you're one -- one of the
6 four dispatch capable?
7
8 PT: I -- yes. I believe we had actually one Call Taker
9 working, um, plus the dispatchers. There was
10 another shift supervisor working who was also doing
11 training -- had a trainee
12
13 TC: Okay. And then
14
15 PT: with her, if I remember correctly.
16
17 TC: does this include four -- does this include
18 trainees, the total?
19
20 PT: Trainees do -- do not
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 PT: -- count towards that six.
25
26 TC: And how many trainees did you have, uh, that you --
27
28 PT: I wanna say --
29
30 TC: requested?
31
32 PT: we had two, but I -- I -- I can't --
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 PT: I don't remember specifically whether it was two
37 or three.
38
39 TC: So, possibly two to three trainees? Okay. And
40 then, um, when you're -- from what we've kinda
41 learned when you were entering CAD notes, um, if you
42 entered a note would it be -- come up with the
43 initials PWT?
44
45 PT: I believe so. I believe the CAD puts it as PDPWT
46 which is my log-in --
47
48 TC: Okay.
49
50 PT: -- to the -- the computer.

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2 TC: Okay. Um, 'cause I know we -- we got the CAD notes
3 and stuff and we see these initials, uh, you know
4 trying --
5
6 PT: Uh-huh.
7
8 TC: -- match 'em up as things go.
9
10 PT: Yes.
11
12 TC: Okay. So, you were at minimum staff and it hits the
13 fan basically. So --
14
15 PT: Right.
16
17 TC: Okay. Walk us through, um, your recollection how it
18 began.
19
20 PT: Oh, my recollection is I had -- the other supervisor
21 was on the phone with a person and I think my Call
22 Taker or whoever was on the phone -- was already on
23 the phone with somebody and I see a 911 ring, so I
24 go to answer it. Um, then I get, um, sounds like
25 shots fired in the background. Um, I hear, uh, I
26 believe to be a -- a female, uh, probably a girl
27 student saying that there's a shooting at Douglas.
28 I don't remember exact wording, but something of
29 that effect. Then I hear more shots. Um, I
30
31 MP: So you actually could hear the shots in the
32 background?
33
34 PT: Oh, yes. I -- I heard the shots in the background.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 TC: Um, so -- as that call's going on how are you -- how
39 do you dispatch that out?
40
41 PT: So, I I entered the call for service as a 33,
42 which is a "Shots Fired Call."
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 PT: Um, as I'm doing that, I, uh -- I started
47 transferring the call to BSO, um, to make sure that
48 they're aware of it 'cause I know they have law
49 enforcement for Parkland. And, um, then I give them
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1 after I started transferring it, I lost voice
2 connection with the -- the caller and it sounded
3 like the phone was open, but I couldn't hear
4 anything. I'm not sure if she put me on mute or
5 what was going on. I just -- it sounded like there
6 was still an open line, but I couldn't hear anything
7 coming from it.
8
9 TC: Okay. And when you're talking about -- uh, you
10 dispatch -- did you dispatch Fire-Rescue?
11
12 PT: No, I didn't do the dispatching --
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 PT: -- I -- I -- I entered the call for service.
17
18 TC: Entered the call for service and then what's
19 what's the step after that? If it -- if you entered
20 it, you entered --
21
22 PT: After -- after that then the -- the call would be
23 dispatched by the -- the Dispatchers.
24
25 TC: Okay. So, you -- um, did you have to type that into
26 the CAD, the call for service?
27
28 PT: Right. I -- I believe what I hit is the 911 button
29 which automatically brings over the caller's
30 information. I -- I'd have to look at the call to
31 verify it.
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 PT: But, I normally would hit the 911 button. Um, she
36 said it was at Douglas, so I would -- if it -- it
37 was a cell phone so I would have to change the
38 address, which I would've done. Um, put in the
39 nature code which was the -- the shooting --
40
41 TC: Uh-huh.
42
43 PT: -- and then type the couple of notes.
44
45 TC: Okay. And then how did you transfer the call to
46 BSO? What -- what does that entail?
47
48 PT: Uh, on our phone system, I right click on the 911
49 button for 911 transfers, I select the agency I want
50 and then I have it go over.

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2 TC: Okay. Did you physically speak with somebody on the
3 other end?
4
5 PT: I did. I spoke with, uh, a County Dispatcher.
6
7 TC: Okay. And where -- do you know where that call
8 would be routed to? Is there a main center that
9. does --
10
11 PT: It normally
12
13 TC: that?
14
15 PT: would have been North
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 PT: -- but depending on how busy they are it could've
20 been routed to any one of their centers. I don't
21 know which center --
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 PT: -- it went to.
26
27 TC: So, it just does that automatically? You don't --
28
29 PT: Right. Uh, I believe I would've picked BSO Parkland
30 or just BSO. I forget which button I put -
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 PT: -- to transfer. But, it normally would've gone to
35 the -- the North Area Communications Center. But --
36
37 TC: And
38
39 PT: -- if -- if they're busy or all their Call Takers
40 are busy it will do to the other centers to pick up.
41
42 TC: Okay. The best of your recollection what did you
43 relay to the first person?
44
45 PT: I relayed to them that I -- I believe there was a
46 shooting at Douglas. I told them that there were
47 shots fired that I heard. Um, and then I also
48 relayed some of the information that kept coming in.
49 Um, I tried pinging the phone for my caller while it
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1 looked like it was still just hitting at the tower,
2 um, which I believe was the park, um, where they did
3 a lot of notifications, um, Trails End Park, I
4 believe
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 PT: -- is where I think the tower was, if I remember.
9 But, I -- I'm not 100-percent sure on that. Um, but
10 then we got additional calls coming in and I was
11 trying to relay some of that information to the
12 Dispatcher. So, we, um -- so it was going in live
13 rather than going through a transfer. Um, we I
14 relayed that it was in the 1200 Building. Um
15
16 TC: And that came from the caller?
17
18 PT: That did -- that came from another caller.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 PT: Somebody else had gotten that information. I heard
23 it and I relayed it to the Dispatcher that or
24 Call Taker at BSO that I was talking to.
25
26 TC: Okay.
27
28 MP: Uh, do you recall approximately what time this all
29 started?
30
31 PT I wanna say 1422 or 24-ish. I'd have to look at the
32 call --
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 PT: -- depending on the call you have.
37
38 MP: Okay.
39
40 TC: I wanna -- so this is -- I got this and I don't know
41
42
43 PT : The one that' s - -
44
45 TC: -- there's a fire one here.
46
47 PT: The fire call --
48
49 TC: Does this look like your --
50

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1 PT: the fire call if I recall --
2
3 TC: look like your --
4
5 PT: correctly was the call that I started.
6
7 TC: Okay. So, this Fire call here would be what you
8 started?
9
10 PT: Yes.
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 PT: If I remember correctly.
15
16 TC: And take your time if you need to review just to
17 make sure.
18
19 MP: Absolutely, uh-huh.
20
21 PT: Uh-huh.
22
23 PT: Do you know how -- if they printed the notes in
24 reverse order or regular order?
25
26 TC: I know at the tail end there's more of this, but I
27 don't know if there's anything that's --
28
29 PT: Yeah. It -- yeah, printed here -- yeah, it started
30 here, "Possible active shooter,n is my first one and
31 ends with --
32
33 TC: So, it printed in reverse?
34
35 PT: Yeah. It --
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 PT: -- our our --
40
41 TC: Got it.
42
43 PT: -- the the CAD system defaults to being the most
44 recent at the top.
45
46 TC: Makes sense. Okay.
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
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2 TC: But, you could probably switch it to print to where
3
4
5 PT: You -- you can switch it to time order which is
6
7 TC: Got you.
8
9 PT: because I've been on a different CAD and I like
10 it in time order --
11
12 TC: Yeah.
13
14 MP: Uh-huh.
15
16 PT: -- rather than most recent first, I guess. This is
17 the call it looks like I started.
18
19 TC: Okay. So --
20
21 PT: So, that's ~-
22
23 TC: -- we got it here and it shows here --
24
25 PT: Uh-huh.
26
27 TC: -- and you know for the record it says, "PDPWT" --
28
29 PT: Yes, that's --
30
31 TC: -- um, and that would be your initials as you
32 identified.
33
34 PT: Right.
35
36 TC: And so we got "February 14th, 2018; 1422:59?"
37
38 PT: Correct.
39
40 TC: And so this is what you entered in and I got it. So
41 then does that mean if I'm -- if I'm looking at you
42 guys' CAD report here with the Fire, um, where would
43 the dispatch for the Fire have gone to? What --
44 what --
45
46 PT: It goes to our Fire console.
47
48 TC: Okay. And so another console is that a different
49 person will then get in contact with them?
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1 PT: And then a different person will be dispatching that
2 call while I'm -- while the Call Takers are taking
3 it.
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 MP: And just for clarification, just for my own --
8 education here --
9
10 PT: Uh-huh.
11
12 MP: -- so even though it's say, uh -- it's listed as a
13 Fire call, law enforcement also was getting this
14 information from Coral Springs?
15
16 PT: Um -- this is a Parkland call and the way our CAD
17 system I believe is set up is if it's a call in
18 Parkland, law enforcement does not get information.
19
20 MP: Okay. So, you guys --
21
22 PT: Which is why believe there is a -- a different call
23 for law enforcement that's got different times.
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 PT: Someone else put a different call in and it went in
28 as law enforcement.
29
30 TC: Yeah --
31
32 PT : I don' t
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 TC: -- the law enforcement comes in at 1424:56.
37
38 MP: Okay. And, it's all coming out of the same
39 Communications Center.
40
41 PT: Yes, ma'am.
42
43 MP: Okay, all right. Um, did you at any point, um, uh,
44 call in additional help to come and assist in the
45 Communications Center? Or --
46
47 PT: I did. Um, while I'm on here, I don't know if you
48 guys have listened to the recording, I tell another
49 one of the -- actually the Training Coordinator to,
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1 the next phone to get on the intercom and do news
2 team assemble. Um, it's, uh, kind of a code that we
3 have for other Dispatchers that work in the --
4 building, but are no longer, um, work in Dispatch
5
6 MP: Uh-huh.
7
8 PT: -- um, for them to come up because I know we're
9 gonna need 'em. I recognized early on that it was
10 gonna be a major incident and we needed the
11 additional help.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 PT: So, she wound up sending one of the trainees to go
16 get one of the Dispatchers and she got hold of some
17 of the other people and they came in.
18
19 MP: Okay. So, you feel you had enough staffing to -- to
20 do what needed to be done?
21
22 PT: No. I -- knew right away I'm gonna need more.
23
24 MP: Well, once you got the additional?
25
26 PT: Well, the additional and we also were close to a
27 shift change.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 PT: So, we had at 3 p.m., or 1500 hours a shift change,
32 so I have a whole 'nother six people coming in and
33 there was another -- there were more trainees coming
34 in with that as well --
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 PT: -- 'cause there was trainees assigned to afternoon
39 shift.
40
41 MP: Okay. So, the ones who were already working, I
42 guess stayed over and it was overlapping?
43
44 PT: Right.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 PT: Yeah. So we had -- we had two shifts working up
49 until they decided to relieve -- let us be relieved
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2 MP: Okay, okay.
3
4 TC: Um, when you described the ping just for -- so we
5 can lay it out for the recording. What -- what is a
6 -- what is a ping of the phone?
7
8 PT: Well, what I do is on our phone system, I wanna say
9 it's the -- trying to remember - it's West Security
10 Systems is the current vendor. Um, we hit the RTX
11 button on it to re-transmit to try to get the GPS
12 location of the phone.
13
14 TC: Okay. And, um -- and when it does that it gives you
15 a -- a pretty good location of where that caller is
16 calling from if it's successful?
17
18 PT: It -- it can.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 PT: Um, depending on the cell phone and the cell phone
23 companies, um, it -- it may or may not be accurate
24 and -- and depending on where the person it
25 sometimes buildings interfere and we've -- we've --
26 done pings on 911 calls where we're trying to call
27 back and make sure everything's okay and it heard --
28 like something was wrong in the background and they
29 tell it's within a 1,000 meters
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 PT: -- which is not very accurate at all.
34
35 TC: Right, right.
36
37 PT: So, it - it depends.
38
39 TC: So, this one when you did it, in your experience it
40 showed to be really just hitting at the tower --
41
42 PT: Yeah, it looked like --
43
44 TC: as a --
45
46 PT: it was still hitting at the tower which means she
47 may have disconnected and it -- it didn't click over
48 to the -- to the dial tone.
49
50 TC: Okay.

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2 MP: Okay. Um, going back to the personnel staffing, um,
3 how many people did you have, if you can recall,
4 just an estimate, answering the 911 calls?
5
6 PT: You mean once --
7
8 MP: Once you got notification that stuff was coming
9 well, once the calls --
10
11 PT: Um
12
13 MP: started coming in?
14
15 PT: we had -- we got the extra three people and then
16 the, um, afternoon shift -- we had people at all --
17 we have six -- actually seven Call Taker positions.
18 Liz wound up taking that seventh one. She was off-
19 duty and she came in on her own time. Um, I don't
20 know if she handled any actual 911 calls, but she
21 did come in for it, and then, um -- so we had people
22 at all six of those some of which were trainees that
23 we were using to make -- doing notifications on
24 other stuff.
25
26 MP: Okay. Uh, and do you recall, again if you don't
27 know that's fine, how many law enforcement channels
28 were, um, detected during the incident? How many
29 law enforcement channels were used?
30
31 PT: Law enforcement channels, to my knowledge we had our
32 one police main channel --
33
34 MP: Uh-huh.
35
36 PT: -- it was patched to a Broward County channel. I
37 couldn't tell you exactly which one it was at the
38 time.
39
40 MP: Okay.
41
42 PT: And then, um, I wanna say we had two Fire channels.
43
44 MP: Okay. That was gonna be my next question. Okay.
45
46 PT: Um, both of which were also patched to Broward
47 County channels.
48
49 MP: All right. And, again if you know the answer to
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1 know which law enforcement agency was dispatched
2 first to the school?
3
4 PT: I don't know. Between us or the Sheriff's Office, I
5 don't know.
6
7 MP: Okay, all right. And, uh, are you aware of any
8 issues, um, that was experienced during the incident
9 such as patching or over-talking, transmission
10 issues, unable to connect, um, unit needed or 911
11 calls dropped or -- are you aware of any issues, um,
12 such as those?
13
14 PT: Um, I heard from our, uh, Administrator that I think
15 we had three abandoned calls, um, was the report
16 that we were told after the incident. Um, I found
17 out that, um, as the, uh -- when they were making
18 our 911 calls --
19
20 MP: Uh-huh.
21
22 PT: -- uh, public and I -- I don't remember exactly how
23 many 911 calls were received, but it was -- I
24 believe it was three abandons.
25
26 MP: Okay. And, as far as any, um, other type of
27 communications were there any other issues, um, that
28 arose during this?
29
30 PT: Not to my knowledge. Um, I, uh -- during the
31 incident I wound up using a handheld radio and was a
32 third ear listening in on main channel. We, um --
33 once afternoon shift came up, I wanted -- I got
34 everybody doubled up on the radios to give a second
35 ear and I was a third ear on Police Main, just um,
36 'cause I'm -- not only am I, uh, one of the senior
37 supervisors, I'm also one of the Spot Dispatchers
38 and I wanted to give 'em that third ear.
39
40 MP: Okay, all right. And, which actually eases into the
41 next, um, set of -- do you have anything before I
42 move on? As far as the training, um, have you all
43 received any type of training regarding active
44 shooter incidents or any incident comparable to
45 this?
46
47 PT: Um, I remember going through, um, something similar
48 where we worked with the Police Department and EMS.
49 They were, um, Police and Fire were doing, um, uh, a
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1 something like that. We had the -- the Dispatchers
2 out there and we were watching it so we could see
3 it. Um, I don't remember exactly when that was,
4 maybe two to three years ago.
5
6 MP: Okay. And as, uh, an IT person connected with the
7 SWAT team have you ever trained with them?
8
9 PT: With the SWAT?
10
11 MP: Uh-huh.
12
13 PT: Uh, I have done trainings with the SWAT team as
14 well, yes.
15
16 MP: Okay. As far as how to relay information and take
17 in information that kinda stuff? Or -- what
18 exactly, uh, training did you receive?
19
20 PT: What -- what it is when we're dispatching with the
21 SWAT team, it's listen and type.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 PT: And if they have a request for us then we answer.
26 It -- it's let them do their stuff and stay out of
27 their way. And if there's something that needs to
28 be told to them or something we need to get from
29 them, we'll -- we'll acknowledge them.
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 PT: But, it -- it's -- for the most part it is be quiet
34 and make sure you understand what they're doing and
35 tracking what they're doing.
36
37 MP: Okay. And so when you switched over you had the
38 radio so you were listening to what was being --
39
40 PT: Right. I was on a handheld radio --
41
42 MP: Uh-huh.
43
44 PT: -- and then I was also trying to walk the room, um,
45 to try to make sure that requests weren't being
46 duplicated from different --
47
48 MP: Okay.
49
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2 MP: And that was gonna be my next -- were there any
3 duplication of efforts? Um
4
5 PT: Um, not that I recall. The -- I -- having worked
6 not anything to this magnitude in the past, but some
7 other calls, you'll get -- occasionally you get
8 someone calling up wanting a Call Taker to start
9 researching something while the person on our
10 information channel is being told to do the same
11 thing by different units. So, I -- I -- I was
12 trying to head that off and -- and try to funnel
13 that stuff to try to make sure that we're not
14 getting duplicate --
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 PT: -- duplicate requests and -- not chasing down
19 different rabbit trails from different --
20
21 MP: Okay.
22
23 PT: -- different ends.
24
25 MP: Okay. And as far as you know anything that was
26 being requested by SWAT was taken care -- the
27 information was being provided back to them?
28
29 PT: Uh, yes. SWAT was on our Police Main Channel.
30
31 MP: Okay. So, they -- okay.
32
33 TC: Um, your best estimate from when the -- the first
34 call comes in, um, how long did it take to get to
35 the, you know, all those terminals filled and
36 everything -- the best of your recollection?
37
38 PT: I -- somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes.
39
40 TC: Okay.
41
42 PT: Um, 30 minutes is 10 'til and most of afternoon
43 shift normally arrives by then.
44
45 TC: Okay.
46
47 PT: So --
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1 TC: Um, did you -- 'cause you said some of the channels
2 got patched with, uh, Broward. Were you aware of
3 any issues with the patching or did it -- did it
4 take longer than normal, anything like that?
5
6 PT: Not to my knowledge. I -- I was taught we patch it
7 and we also put it on multi-select. The patch
8 allows the two entities on the different channels to
9 talk to each other and the multi-select allows us to
10 hear and to talk back on both channels at the same
11 time.
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 PT: And and that was done.
16
17 TC: So, it was working? As
18
19 PT: As -- as far as I know. I heard -- I heard, uh,
20 county units and I wanna believe -- I believe it
21 was, uh, Coconut Creek's unit when he went out with
22 the suspect. I heard him talking on a main channel.
23 I'm not sure if he was on our channel or on the
24 mutual "A" channel, but I -- I heard them. I heard
25 different, um, county -- um, I definitely heard
26 whatever the callback unit was from, uh, Broward
27 Sheriff's Office talking. As far as I know he was
28 talking through the patch.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 PT: But, I couldn't tell you specifically if he was or
33 it went to our channel.
34
35 TC: Was -- in terms of, um when -- when you guys
36 received -- 'cause you know seeing the law
37 enforcement, you know, you're getting information
38 about where the suspect could be and --
39
40 PT: Uh-huh.
41
42 TC: this and that, how was the communication between
43 I would imagine with BSO and the other units, um,
44 when you were sending information on them -- them
45 regarding the suspect and vice versa?
46
47 PT: Um, I -- I wanna say our, uh, Chief and Assistant
48 Chief had gotten out there with some of the Captains
49 and as far as I know, stuff was falling to us
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3 TC: Okay.
4
5 PT: But, they -- I was not getting a whole lot directly
6 either through radios or through phones for the
7 Sheriff's Office, other than we were, um, calling to
8 make sure PIOs were notified and try to get stuff
9 set-up on social media so hopefully some of the
10 calls we knew were gonna come from news service
11 could go directly to the PIOs and relieve us to do
12 our job.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 MP: Okay, okay. Um, in regards to this investigation is
17 there anything that we have either failed to ask or
18 that you would like to add or clarify in your
19 statement today?
20
21 PT: Um, not that I can recall.
22
23 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
24 for your statement today?
25
26 PT: No.
27
28 MP: Okay. Has the information that you provided during
29 this interview been the truth to the best of your
30 knowledge or recollection?
31
32 PT: Yes, it has.
33
34 MP: Okay. This interview is concluded at 4:27 p.m., on
35 Monday, May 14th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF CAPTAIN GEORGE SOBERON, EI-26-0079,
2 08/30/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
8 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
9 GS CAPTAIN GEORGE SOBERON
10
11 TC: All right. The date is Thursday, August 30th, 2018.
12 The time is approximately 10:50 a.m. I'm Inspector
13 Troy Cope of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 And also present at this time is Inspector Meschelle
15 Pittman. The location of this interview is the Coral
16 Springs Police Department headquarters. I will be
17 questioning, uh, Captain George Soberon as a witness
18 in an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-
19 26-0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is the inspector in
20 charge of this investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
26 being given by you as part of the investigation into
27 the law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
28 Douglas School shooting that occurred on February
29 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
30 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
31 Do you understand?
32
33 GS: Yes.
34
35 TC: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
36 aware of the following. This interview is being
37 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer I am
38 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
39 In a moment I'll be taking a sworn statement from
40 you. You'll be under oath, and if you knowingly
41 provide false statements, you can be criminally
42 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
43 items I've just informed you of?
44
45 GS: I do.
46
47 TC: Please raise your right hand. Let the record
48 reflect he's raised his right hand. Do you solemnly
49 swear or affirm that the information you're about to
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1 nothing but the truth, so help you God?
2
3 GS: I do.
4
5 TC: Okay. Please state your full name for the record.
6
7 GS: Oh, George Soberon.
8
9 TC: All right. And your current place of employment?
10
11 GS: Coral Springs Police Department.
12
13 TC: And what, uh -- and how long have you been with
14 Coral Springs?
15
16 GS: Oh, 24 years.
17
18 TC: Okay. And what's your current position?
19
20 GS: Current position is the Captain in charge of the
21 Community Services component.
22
23 TC: Okay. And, um, other positions you've held with
24 Coral Springs Police Department?
25
26 GS: Oh, I've worked as a Road Patrol Officer. I worked
27 for five years in our Street Crimes Unit, which was
28 called the Tactical Gang Unit at the time. I was a
29 General Investigations detective for about two
30 years. A Road Patrol Sergeant, Sergeant of our
31 Bicycle and Street Intelligence Unit, which was
32 called Sub-Stations back in the day, Patrol
33 Lieutenant, Captain in charge of -- of Patrol,
34 Captain in charge of Special Operations and now
35 Captain of Community Services component.
36
37 TC: And
38
39 MP: And what do you -- what does that position entail,
40 your current position?
41
42 GS: Community Services component is basically our
43 support division and that includes all our schools,
44 which is all SROs, uh, anything to do with the
45 schools, all our -- I'm in charge of training. I'm
46 in charge of our fleet facilities. Oh, I'm in
47 charge of our Records Department, in charge of
48 Emergency Management and I'm in charge of Community
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1 MP: Okay.
2
3 GS: And just to add, I've also, uh, served 17 years on
4 SWAT. Uh, I left SWAT in 2012. I was a team leader
5 -- sniper team leader and an entrance team leader.
6
7 MP: Okay. Um, on February 14th, 2018 the day of the, uh,
8 shooting, how did you become aware of it?
9
10 GS: I was in my office, uh, on the third floor. Uh, I
11 was actually talking to Sergeant Kmiotek and I heard
12 someone say there's a shooting at Douglas and, uh
13 just outside my office. And, you know, you heard
14 the radio and I heard, uh, uh, Sergeant Reid
15 clarifying on the radio, "Hey, is there a shooting
16 at Douglas?" And Dispatch said yes. So, we all
17 went flying out of the building.
18
19 MP: Okay. And, so you and how many other officers left
20 at the same time? You -- you all left at -- same
21 time or just --
22
23 GS: It -- it -- it was a lot of people leaving. Uh --
24
25 MP: Okay. So, you all left and responded to
26
27 GS: All of us in our office left. There was people
28 flying from different offices leaving. When I got
29 down to the bottom on -- on the ground floor, uh --
30 and I don't remember where I saw the chief and, uh,
31 Deputy Chief, uh, Chief -- uh, Deputy -- at the time
32 -- Deputy Chief Parry -
33
34 MP: Uh-huh.
35
36 GS: -- and Deputy Chief Backer somewhere around there,
37 but we ended up down at the bottom at the same time,
38 we all got in the same car.
39
40 MP: Okay. So, you and Deputy Chief Parry --
41
42 GS: And Deputy Chief Backer.
43
44 MP: -- rode together to the school?
45
46 GS: Rode together.
47
48 MP: And do you recall around what time that was?
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1 from that radio call of Sergeant Reid, it was, I
2 mean quickly right after that and I know we -- we
3 made it there to the school very quickly as -- when
4 we left there was just a parade of cars. And I -- I
5 remember this. One of our Humane officers blocked
6 Coral Springs and Sample. She heard the call on the
7 radio and actually stopped traffic knowing that we'd
8 be flying up Coral Springs which is Pine Island.
9
10 MP: Uh-huh.
11
12 GS: So, we flew up that way and, uh, we got there, uh,
13 fairly quickly. I don't know if entry had been made
14 yet. I don't think so, but I couldn't tell you for
15 sure.
16
17 MP: Okay. And if you will on this map here, kinda show
18 us which way you came in and where you parked here
19 once you arrived at the school.
20
21 GS: We came northbound on Coral Springs Drive, which is
22 Pine Island.
23
24 MP: Uh-huh.
25
26 GS: And it's hard to see here, but at the intersection
27 of the bus loop, uh, we pulled off just short of
28 that on the right side.
29
30 MP: You can put an X there, uh-huh.
31
32 GS: So, we --
33
34 MP: In that spot.
35
36 GS: we're -- yeah, the car was basically pulled off
37 over here.
38
39 MP: Okay.
40
41 GS: And I basically set myself up here at that
42 intersection.
43
44 MP: You can go ahead and put an "X" there.
45
46 GS: Uh-huh.
47
48 MP: Okay. So, and again I'm just gonna ask do you
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1 GS: I don't remember exactly what time.
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3 MP: Okay.
4
5 GS: I'd have to look. But
6
7 MP: Do you recall what you were hearing on the radio in
8 route to the school?
9
10 GS: Yes. I -- we heard, um, um -- wait for me down at
11 the end of the block. Timmy Burton saying he was
12 arriving at the school, giving the information about
13 what building. Um, just hearing other people
14 arriving, um, I mean I -- I heard the Dispatch when
15 that was initially saying that, yes, there is a
16 shooting, we heard shots in the background. Uh --
17
18 MP: So, did you actually hear the shots?
19
20 GS: When I -- at that moment, no. He relayed that he
21 heard -- I never heard shots there, but Dispatch
22 relayed that on the calls that they got they could
23 heard shots in the background.
24
25 MP: Okay. But did you ever hear any shots?
26
27 GS: I never heard any shots.
28
29 MP: Okay, all right. Okay. So, you guys arrive here.
30 Then what?
31
32 GS: Uh, my thought process is -- as I said I'm in charge
33 of schools then, uh -- when we have an incident in a
34 school my thought process is first thing is to set
35 up a command post. This is not our scene, but my
36 first thought was let me find the command post and
37 let's see what we gotta do. Uh, could not find a
38 command post. I've asked for one on the radio. Uh,
39 you know, I saw a BSO lieutenant, asked where his
40 command post was. He said he did not know. So, I
41 took a -- I took it in my mind, says all right, well
42 we need to start doing something of that. So, I
43 just started working operations here, making sure
44 this was clear. Anybody that was coming up, I would
45 send 'em -- and I'm listening -- see, we work a lot
46 together. I know Captain Mock and Captain McKeone,
47 worked for 'em a long time, uh, together in SWAT. I
48 know what they're doing. I can hear what they're
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2
3 MP: This is the SWAT team that you're referring to?
4
5 GS: No, Captain -- remember our SWAT team's part-time.
6 So, Captain Mock is our Criminal Investigations, uh,
7 captain at the time.
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 GS: He's now Special Operations. And at the time
12 Captain McKeone was in charge, uh -- where was he at
13 the time? He was in -- he was down in, uh -- let me
14 think, back in March, so that was the change. He
15 was back in Patrol. So
16
17 MP: And -- and just for the record you say you -- you
18 heard what they were doing, but what were they
19 doing?
20
21 GS: Well, they they -- trying to get information. I
22 hear officers and I see -- I see bullet holes in the
23 third window. Uh, I --
24
25 MP: This is the information they were relaying over the
26 radio?
27
28 GS: They were relaying over the radios.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 GS: So, all on our radio. Don't know what was on BSO's
33 radio 'cause we -- we didn't hear it.
34
35 MP: So, you refer to Parkland's -- I meant Coral Springs
36 main channel?
37
38 GS: Coral Springs main.
39
40 MP: Okay.
41
42 GS: Right.
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46 GS: So, when I hear the folks and again I know the
47 folks, I know what they're doing, uh, I got people
48 coming up this way. I know -- there's officers
49 stacking here also. So, any SWAT guys we're sending
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1 point, Captain Mock says -- and this is a little bit
2 later. He says, "I got enough people, uh, but send
3 all SWAT here." You know, basically if someone saw
4 me, 'cause you look like a traffic cop in the
5 intersection just, you know, doing -- doing the
6 thing Uh, initially, and I'm probably going
7 (unintelligible), as I'm trying to find the command
8 post, find out what's going on, they started going
9 in and they started bringing patients out. So, and
10 that doesn't look like here on the map. But
11 wherever that fence was, uh, where there were people
12 out in the -- in the extraction
13
14 MP: Okay. So, I think there's a -- a bike, um --
15
16 GS: Yeah.
17
18 MP: -- rack here.
19
20 GS: Right.
21
22 MP: And there was a gate here?
23
24 GS: Right. So, you have -- you still have parents lined
25 up here.
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 GS: I'm trying to get guys to the school. I'm not gonna
30 say, "Hey, move the parents." I walked down; I turn
31 all the parents around. I have an officer that had
32 already cleared that way. Don't remember who it
33 was. And I sent the parents out, to clear out. I
34 walked over there, see -- see what -- how they're
35 doing over there to see if maybe there's a command
36 post there. I didn't see that. So, again I walked
37 back here and continued the operations here. Uh,
38 eventually, uh, Deputy Chief, uh, Backer and -- and
39 Parry also joined me. Uh, they had gone up to the
40 building initially, uh, and we started doing basic
41 command post operations. Called our command post,
42 uh, SERT shows up, I tell 'em I need to get water.
43
44 One of the first things I did do when I got there, I
45 said this is very broad, I need -- I need mobility.
46 I can't be walking down, moving -- so, I called, uh,
47 range and our Range Master's a reserve officer. We
48 keep a four-seat ATV there. It's a -- a tactical
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1 MP: Uh-huh.
2
3 GS: I said, "Bob, come on out."
4
5 MP: Yeah.
6
7 GS: And with that I shuttle people, water. Once the
8 command post came and we had maps of the school,
9 'cause we keep the database in our command post and
10 we can print it up, we would -- we would send that
11 out.
12
13 MP: Okay.
14
15 GS: Uh, and we tried the best we could to track where
16 everybody was, but, you know, it -- it was tough
17 'cause, you know, initially nobody knows what
18 building they're at.
19
20 MP: Right.
21
22 GS: So, it was kinda tough to track where they're at.
23
24 MP: Where did you guys end up setting up the command
25 post?
26
27 GS: Here in this general area. So, just short of this
28 turnoff, so right about here and, you know, if you
29 look on the road -- I wish you had a digital, uh,
30 overhead view, it would be easier to show. But,
31 there's a median just short of this intersection.
32 Our command post was on -- and I'm talking about
33 Coral Springs command post 'cause that was --
34 initially there. That's on the west side of the
35 median and eventually BSO's comes up and they said -
36
37
38 MP: Was it near the, uh, Sawgrass Expressway?
39
40 GS: Yeah. Just north of the Sawgrass --
41
42 MP: The, uh --
43
44 GS: -- Expressway.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 GS: So, I'm gonna write over the car, but both command
49 posts end up, you know, next to each other there.
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2
3 GS: So, uh -- and, you know, when -- you know, we just
4 ran it from there basically. And, uh, you know,
5 Chief Pustizzi also was there, uh, fairly early and,
6 you know, we kept working it.
7
8 MP: Okay. You have anything Troy?
9
10 TC: Uh, and, uh -- and so at any time during the course
11 of the response did you go over towards the 1200
12 building or have any interaction over there?
13
14 GS: Just when I walked out, uh, at the casualty
15 collection -- when I walked up to the casualty
16 collection point. So, basically as far as I got, I
17 don't know. What is that, 50 yards?
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 TC: Okay. So, uh, still on the perimeter where the
22 parking lot area is and
23
24 GS: I never went on to, uh, beyond the fence of -- of,
25 uh, the school itself.
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 MP: Okay. So, in the Command Center, I guess once you
30 guys got it settled, you were still receiving radio
31 communication regarding --
32
33 GS: I --
34
35 MP: -- the suspect?
36
37 GS: Yes. I never lost radio communication.
38
39 MP: Okay. Uh, as far as your knowledge or as far as
40 you're aware were there any communications issues at
41 all with the radios?
42
43 GS: Not -- not with our radios. I -- I -- I -- after --
44 after I join the -- if -- if you listen to the tape
45 I'm saying, "We need to patch, we need to patch."
46 And you hear me say, "We're basically running two
47 operations until we patch. We need to be able to
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2 GS: Uh, but I mean the real communication we weren't on
3 the same, uh, channel.
4
5 MP: Okay.
6
7 GS: Uh, so -- but, our radio never went down. Uh, I
8 know they eventuctlly patched and we could hear
9 other. But --
10
11 MP: Okay. And so you -- when -- I guess you were able
12 to get information regarding, uh, the description of
13 the suspect, that kinda -- did you ever receive that
14 over the radio?
15
16 GS: Yeah.
17
18 MP: Okay. And any --
19
20 GS: It was -- yeah, the -- the whole, uh -- yeah, you
21 know I'm not going into all those other things, but
22 yeah, uh, ROTC uniform with burgundy shirt, white
23 male, about that, yeah --
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 GS: -- all that came out early.
28
29 MP: Now what about, um, whether or not he -- once he had
30 left the building was that information coming across
31 as well?
32
33 GS: That came out --
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 GS: -- once, uh -- you know, when our guys entered, you
38 know, they were dealing with, uh -- with the
39 victims. There was no shots or anything. And I
40 think we weren't able to confirm that the guy left
41 until somebody looked at the videotape and they came
42 over the radio. And initially they thought it was
43 happening now, but, you know, the sergeant who was
44 there who was one ~f the team leaders, Sergeant
45 (Unintelligible) goes, "We're on that floor. There
46 is no person here."
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2 before."
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4 MP: Okay. So, it was a delayed feed. Okay, all right.
5
6 GS: Right.
7
8 MP: All right. And, uh -- you have anything?
9
10 TC: (No audible response).
11
12 MP: No? Okay. Uh, so you did hear over the radio where
13 he had left the building and stuff? Now, could you
14 hear the SWAT command -- well, I'm not sure if they
15 were using the same system or if they were on
16 another one -- another channel?
17
18 GS: No, no. They were -- everybody was on main. Uh, I
19 listened -- um, again, I know how -- how Captain
20 Mock works and I know -- you know, listening to the
21 people's response, I know how many people went up
22 that way and I know how many people came -- you
23 know, the amount of people that came my way and the
24 assets we sent there. I -- I -- we had enough
25 assets at the 12 building. And, you know, it's just
26 a matter of -- it's moving and clearing.
27
28 MP: Okay.
29
30 GS: Uh, the -- I don't remember if I called him on the
31 phone. I did a lot of phone calls so we wouldn't
32 tie up the radio. I only got on the radio if I
33 thought something -- really needed to be said
34 because when the guys are running the tactics and
35 basically they're running, uh, the tactical command
36 up there, uh, I've been there. You don't need the -
37 - the gibber jabber. So, uh, you know, I did a lot
38 of straight commands, straight to people, you do
39 this, you do that, uh, wave people down and did
40 that. Uh, you know, the old -- the old-fashion way.
41 So, uh, yeah, I don't -- I don't know exactly what
42 they were doing, but I know what -- I've trained
43 with them. I know what we're going to do.
44
45 MP: Okay. And you felt that there was adequate
46 personnel on -- on scene doing -- everybody was
47 doing what they needed to do? Did you feel like
48 there was a shortage in a certain area far as, uh,
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1 GS: No.
2
3 MP: -- officers on the street?
4
5 GS: No. The -- medical staffing was -- was -- was
6 stacked up. I mean, listen, you -- you always want
7 more. You don't know if there was a second shooter.
8 You didn't know what yo~'re involved with. I -- I -
9 - I mean, heck, if -- if there was a second shooter
10 and the casualty collection point is right where it
11 was, it's a bad place the casualty collection point.
12 Our command post is in -- it's still within eyeshot
13 of the place. This is, you know -- when it comes to
14 these things you
15
16 MP: Yeah, everything is fluent.
17
18 GS: -- you adapt.
19
20 MP: Yeah, so.
21
22 GS: You adapt real -- I will -- I will tell you our guys
23 are -- are -- 'cause, you know, I'm in charge of
24 training. I see the training. Our guys are -- are
25 well-trained with, uh --
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 GS: -- with, uh, their -- their casualty kits. Uh, we
30 learn lessons from our mall shooting and we had a
31 gun incident at one of our high schools. And one of
32 the lessons we learned is we got sucked in,
33 including me. And, uh, you can't get sucked in.
34 You need to set up command posts; you need to do
35 those things.
36
37 MP: Got you. We'll -- we'll get back to that in just a
38 second. Okay? Um, so you never went to building
39 1200? You never entered 1200? You never saw it?
40
41 GS: No.
42
43 MP: Okay, all right. Um --
44
45 GS: I mean I could see it, but I never -- I never --
46
47 MP: Yeah.
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2 outside or around the building?
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4 GS: Oh, yeah. I was -- I was watching people extract
5 people out of building 12 when I walked up there and
6
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8 MP: Do you recall what law enforcement agencies you saw
9 represented?
10
11 GS: You know, uh, I mean, I know I saw us, BSO. I don't
12 know if I saw, uh, anybody else. And, you know,
13 some people are in civilian clothes with a vest on.
14 I mean, they --
15
16 MP: Yeah.
17
18 GS: you know it's all hands on deck. So --
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20 MP: Do you recall seeing, uh, BSO Deputy Scot, uh,
21 Peterson at any point?
22
23 GS: I never saw him, no.
24
25 MP: Okay. Uh, was your Command Center a joint Command
26 Center? Did you guys connect with another Command
27 Center?
28
29 GS: Well, yeah. Once BSO got there they pulled up to
30 command post and yeah, we -- we got together and
31 basically for all intents and purposes toid them
32 what -- what we had done and -- and passed it off.
33
34 MP: Okay. Other than BSO, who else were there with --
35 in the Command Center that you can recall -- that
36 you can recall?
37
38 GS: Oh, I don't know. There's -- there's all kinds of -
39 - of BSO brass. I saw other -- I don't remember,
40 but I remember seeing, you know, Command staff from
41 neighboring departments, politicians, uh, you know,
42 later down the line the governor. I mean, just
43 about anybody --
44
45 MP: Okay, okay. What, uh, specifically was your
46 assignment if you had one in the Command Center?
47
48 GS: Um, my -- my assignment is what basically what
49 like I said before. My -- my role in a school
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2 command officer comes and takes over the command
3 post then whatever needs to be done. Basically, you
4 know, I remember if it was my school, I am the
5 conduit to -- uh, to my sergeants who will be in the
6 talk with the principals and the other guys and --
7 and doing all that. And, I'm the one familiar with
8 the schools and the people and stuff like that too.
9 So, being this is a mutual aid, it's kind of a
10 uh, you know, um, basically I had to be a jack of
11 all trades in this and whatever we need, to send out
12 maps, uh, carrying people. What else do we need?
13 Uh, I mean that's basic -- that's basically it and I
14 -- if it was my thing, yes, I'd be more drawn out
15 and the whole thing.
16
17 MP: Well, what the -- who was actually in charge of your
18 Command Center?
19
20 GS: Uh, well, it -- eventually the chief. I mean --
21
22 MP: Okay.
23
24 GS: -- so, me establishing, uh, um, the -- the two DCs
25 came and then we started working together and the
2,6 chief I think finally the chief called it -- it's
27 gonna be here.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 GS: Even though the fact that we were already doing it,
32 uh, did we plant the flag initially, probably not.
33 You know, still wondering if there is another
34 command post that we weren't aware of.
35
36 MP: Okay. Um, and as far as the communication within
37 the -- uh, Command Center was it effective? Were
38 there any issues there at all?
39
40 GS: No. I mean and -- when we -- we set up ours. You
41 know, we have a dispatcher in there monitoring, uh,
42 FBI showed up. They were very helpful. We were all
43 in there, whatever you need, he's asking whatever,
44 uh, things we need. Uh, you know, eventually BSO
45 shows up and, you know, we tell 'em look what we
46 have and, you know, it's their -- their operation
47 and -- and go from there. I can't tell you much
48 after that.
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2 GS: 'Cause, you know, uh, they kept -- you know, I'm
3 listening on the radio, but they -- they started
4 doing what they needed to do. So --
5
6 MP: Okay. And you mentioned earlier than, um, one of
7 the things that you did was provide assistance to
8 other personnel on the scene by taking water, that
9 kinda stuff.
10
11 GS: Uh-huh.
12
13 MP: Uh, are you aware of anyone out in the field who
14 needed something and didn't get it or was affected
15 by something that may have not gone right in the
16 Command Center?
17
18 GS: No. I mean, anything that was asked for we -- we
19 we tried to provide. But look, I was trying to
20 think beyond right now. And I'm thinking about
21 continuity of operations. And, you're talking
22 about, you know, SERT. Fire called SERT out and our
23 SERT's pretty good. Say I need water, just start
24 stacking 'em here and we'll start taking the ATV,
25 you know, the maps. Uh, the guys were equipped.
26 But I mean again, you never know -- you know, the
27 old plus one. You don't know if there's more going
28 on and, you know --
29
30 MP: Right.
31
32 GS: -- food eventually came, eventually, but, uh, no. I
33 mean, look our -- the guys have the equipment they
34 need. Our guys all have rifles. They have -- they
35 all have helmets. They all have medical leg rigs.
36 Uh, you know, having the map earlier would be
37 better.
38
39 MP: It would.
40
41 GS: Uh, but, you know, they -- they -- they zoned in on
42 the problem in -- on the campus which was that. So
43
44
45 MP: Okay. Are you aware of any other conflict or
46 issues, uh, within the Command Center such as
47 technical, mechanical or personnel issues?
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49 GS: No.
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1 MP: All right. Um, going back to what you mentioned
2 earlier. You are in charge of training. Uh, is
3 there a written directive or policy, um, that deals
4 with active shooter?
5
6 GS: Yes.
7
8 MP: Okay. And how often do the officers here receive
9 that training?
10
11 GS: Well, I actually -- we pulled this -- um, every year
12 they get a little snippet of it. Uh, the full blown
13 active killer training, I know we provide it in TI.
14 I can't remember the full-blown one. But, I mean
15 every in-serve training every year we have a little
16 part of it.
17
18 MP: Uh-huh.
19
20 GS: And we go over it again. So, uh, you know, it's
21 trained every year. Uh, and, you know, the guys are
22 well-trained in -- in that. So, you -- again, you
23 have -- we have it all for you. I think they gave
24 it to you. You can see exactly what the training
25 is.
26
27 MP: Oh, I just wanted to get it from you.
28
29 GS: Yeah, yeah.
30
31 MP: Um, so what are your officers trained to do when
32 dealing with an active shooter?
33
34 GS: Uh, neutralize the threat, move to the threat,
35 neutralize the threat.
36
37 MP: Okay. And you also mentioned that part of your
38 duties is to deal with the, uh, the school resource
39 officers in -- in the schools. Do you insure that
40 they receive this type of training as well?
41
42 GS: That's correct. They, in fact, uh, even the last
43 time we did it they -- they're -- we -- as you know
44 they're in school. So, when we .do in-service
45 training it starts early in the year --
46
47 MP: Uh-huh.
48
49 GS: -- uh, right about when school ends. We -- we
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2
3 MP: And that's done annually? How often is that done?
4
5 GS: Uh, they have, again tactics and -- and with an
6 active shooter -- component, every year. We have
7 in-service training every year. And it's all --
8
9 MP: And is that just
10
11 GS: all for --
12
13 MP: for Coral Springs or that's -- is that for the
14 surrounding agencies?
15
16 GS: That's just us.
17
18 MP: Do you all come
19
20 GS: That's just Coral Springs.
21
22 MP: Oh, that's just your agency?
23
24 GS: That's our in-service training. Our in-service
25 training is basically -- the way we do it now is two
26 -- two days. Everyone goes to two days of training
27 every year. Now there's other things in there, it's
28 not just active killer.
29
30 MP: Right, absolutely.
31
32 GS: But, we do some --
33
34 MP: Okay, all right. Do you have anything? All right.
35 Um
36
37 TC: In regards to this investigation is there anything
38 that I either failed to ask or anything that you'd
39 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
40
41 MP: Can you think of anything that we didn't ask you
42 that you wanna add?
43
44 GS: Um
45
46 MP: Or you think we should know?
47
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4 MP: We' re good? Okay.
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6 TC: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
7 providing this statement today?
8
9 GS: No.
10
11 TC: Okay. Has the information that you've provided
12 during the interview been the truth to the best of
13 your knowledge or recollection?
14
15 GS: Yes.
16
17 TC: All right. This interview is concluded at 11:14
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1 (INTERVIEW OF GIOVANNI VULLO, #EI-26-0079, 05/14/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 RB INVESTIGATOR RANDY BURNS
8 GV DEPUTY GIOVANNI VULLO
9
10 KR: Uh, today's date is May 14th, 2018. The time is
11 approximately 3:59 p.m. I am Inspector Keith
12 Riddick of the Office of Executive Investigations.
13 Also present is OEI member, Randy Burns [phonetic].
14 Location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge Road,
15 Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning
16 Sergeant Giovanni Vullo --
17
18 GV: Yes.
19
20 KR: -- as a witness in an official FDLE investigation,
21 case number EI-26-0079. Inspector -- I -- I am the
22 Inspector in Charge of this investigation. On
23 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
24 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
25 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like to
26 clarify that this is a witness statement being given
27 by you as part of this investigation into that law
28 enforcement response to the MSD school shooting that
29 occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
30 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compel
31 compelled to provide that -- this statement. Do you
32 understand?
33
34 GV: Yes.
35
36 KR: All right. Uh, prior to giving this interview you
37 should be aware of the following: This interview is
38 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer
39 I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
40 statements. In a moment I will be taking a sworn
41 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
42 you knowingly provide false statements, you may be
43 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
44 each of these items I've just informed you of?
45
46 GV: Yes.
47
48 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
49 record reflect the sergeant has raised his right
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1 information you're about to give today is the truth,
2 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help
3 you God?
4
5 GV: Yes.
6
7 KR: All right. Please state your full name, current
8 place of employment, and how long you've been
9 employed there.
10
11 GV: Giovanni D. Vullo. Last na~e spelled V, like
12 Victor, U-L-L-0. I'm employed with the City of
13 Coral Springs Police Department since November of
14 2000.
15
16 KR: All right. Uh, do you have prior law enforcement
17 experience?
18
19 GV: Yes.
20
21 KR: Uh, where at?
22
23 GV: Uh, I was a Federal Agent with the U.S. Border
24 Patrol in San Diego, California.
25
26 KR: Awesome. All right. How many years there?
27
28 GV: Just two years.
29
30 KR: Okay. All right. Um, I see, like I said, you're --
31 you're a sergeant. What is your position with CSPD?
32
33 GV: Uh, sergeant in Road Patrol.
34
35 KR: On patrol? All right. Were you working on -- in
36 that capacity on February 14th, 2018?
37
38 GV: Yes.
39
40 KR: All right. Are you day shift?
41
42 GV: Yes.
43
44 KR: All right. So y'all work -- had been on a while
45 when this this started?
46
47 GV: Yes. Uh, my shift is 8:30 a.m. to 8 p.m.
48
49 KR: All right. How did you first hear of the, uh,
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2 GV: Uh, I heard a sergeant on the radio, uh, Sergeant
3 Bill Reid [phonetic), ask Dispatch, um, if there
4 were, um, reports of an active shooter at Stoneman
5 Douglas High School.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 GV: Um, they said that that -- that they were getting
10 phone calls for that. So I started heading in that
11 direction.
12
13 KR: All right. Was that on -- on police Main?
14
15 GV: Yes.
16
17 KR: Okay. All right. Um, 'cause I don't know if you
18 know or not, he'd actually originally asked that on
19 Info, but they didn't hear him, so he switched over.
20
21 GV: Oh.
22
23 KR: So I -- that's why I clarified if it was Main or
24 Info. Um, where were you at when you heard it?
25
26 GV: I was in my police car at the 3800 block of
27 Riverside Drive.
28
29 KR: All right. How far from there to Douglas?
30
31 GV: Um, it's quite a ways away. I don't know the exact
32 mileage.
33
34 KR: I mean, are we talking 10 miles?
35
36 GV: No. Maybe, like, 4 or 5 miles.
37
38 KR: Okay.
39
40 GV: Four miles.
41
42 KR: Is anything in Coral Springs 10 miles away from
43 that?
44
45 GV: Um, well, it's 20 square miles, so --
46
47 KR: Okay. Probably not.
48
49 GV: -- uh, probably not.
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1 KR: Okay. So a perfect situation is 5 miles by 4 miles.
2
3 GV: Yes.
4
5 KR: All right. Um, do you remember how long it took you
6 to get there?
7
8 GV: Uh, I don't -- I didn't time it.
9
10 KR: You run code?
11
12 GV: Yes, I was Code 3, lights and sirens.
13
14 KR: Okay. Uh, when you got there, where did you first
15 arrive on scene at?
16
17 GV: Um, I parked right in front of the school at -- on
18 Pine Island Road.
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 GV: I parked my car in the middle of the road. I
23 believe it was right in the middle of the street.
24
25 KR: All right. This is the school. It's Pine Island.
26 This is the 1200 Building. Uh, if you would, just
27 mark
28
29 GV: It's somewhere I'm not exactly sure, but I was
30 in, uh, just --
31
32 KR: And and the -- not exactly is
33
34 GV: Yeah. So somewhere --
35
36 KR: is all we can ask, sir.
37
38 GV: somewhere -- somewhere here.
39
40 KR: Okay. Wouldn't it -- that's Sawgrass.
41
42 GV: Oh, I'm sorry.
43
44 KR: Yeah. This is Pine Island.
45
46 GV: (Unintelligible) .
47
48 KR: This -- this way. Yeah, this is the front of the
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1 GV: Oh, there it is. Right here.
2
3 KR: Yeah. No, that's okay, bro. All right. After you
4 got there, where did you go?
5
6 GV: Um, I started running, um, directly to the 1200
7 Building where other officers were running to.
8
9 KR: All right. This is another map. Here's -- this is
10 Pine Island
11
12 GV: Okay.
13
14 KR: -- in front of the school. If you would, again,
15 mark where you -- where you parked, and then draw
16 the -- the route that you took to the 1200 Building.
17
18 GV: Okay. This is Pine Island. This is the school,
19 right here?
20
21 KR: Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. This is the 1200 Building.
22 That would be the main entrance to the school there.
23 The bus loop's down here.
24
25 GV: I'm pretty sure it was past the front of the school.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 GV: So somewhere here. And, uh, I ran westbound.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 GV: I'm not exactly sure of the -- the route.
34
35 KR: No. I mean, did you you didn't go through the
36 building this way, or do you recall?
37
38 GV: I -- I don't recall exactly what --
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 GV: -- path I took. I was running alongside one of our
43 K-9 units.
44
45 KR: All right.
46
47 GV: K- 9 dog.
48
49 KR: Where did you end up at? With this is the --
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1 GV: Um, I -- I ended up right in -- at the east door.
2
3 KR: Okay.
4
5 GV: Where I was met by, uh, Captain Ryan Gallagher.
6
7 KR: Okay.
8
9 GV: He was right at the door. He said, "Gio, clear the
10 parking lot," which is right here.
11
12 KR: Okay. Okay. If you would, go ahead and -- yeah.
13
14 GV: So, uh, somewhere I ended up here.
15
16 KR: Right.
17
18 GV: And the captain was right at the door.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 GV: He -- he said, "Clear this parking lot area."
23
24 KR: Okay.
25
26 GV: So I cleared this parking lot area with another
27 officer. His name is Chris, Chris Crawford.
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 GV: Um, uh, I asked Chris to clear the rest of this
32 parking lot and I went back inside.
33
34 KR: Okay. So you did go in -- into the 1200 Building.
35
36 GV: Yes.
37
38 KR: All right. As you're running up, did you hear any
39 gunshots?
40
41 GV: No.
42
43 KR: Did you hear any gunshots the entire time you were
44 there?
45
46 GV: No.
47
48 KR: Okay. When you get as you're pulling up, as
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1 GV: I see a lot of Coral Springs officers.
2
3 KR: Okay. Um, where were they?
4
5 GV: They were running up with me. There were several
6 going inside, uh, the -- the east door.
7
8 KR: Okay. Any BSO deputies?
9
10 GV: Um, I did not see a BSO officer until I went inside.
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 GV: I saw one BSO officer.
15
16 KR: All right. Do you know who he was?
17
18 GV: No.
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 GV: He was just a tall, uh, white, blond hair.
23
24 KR: Yes, sir. Understand. Um, as you're -- what else
25 did you hear radio traffic-wise? What were you
26 advised about the incident?
27
28 GV: Uh, well, as soon as I went in the door, I saw, uh,
29 Sergeant Kozlowski, uh, smashing out -- uh, it would
30 be the -- on the south side, uh, as soon as you walk
31 in the east door. It would be the south classroom.
32 I don't know the numbers. And he was busting out
33 the window with his ASP baton to open the door,
34 'cause the door was locked.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 GV: Um, I immediately staged on the door to make entry.
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 RB: As you're coming from where you first heard of it,
43 did you hear any Dispatch -- uh, anything over the,
44 uh -- the air about suspect description, location?
45
46 GV: Um, on the way there, I -- I just -- I'm trying to
47 remember exactly what -- the radio traffic. I
48 heard, uh, one of our school resource officers, uh,
49 Nick Iarriccio [phonetic] , he went on scene and, uh,
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2 KR: Okay.
3
4 GV: Um, I believe I heard a couple another officer,
5 um, say that he was on scene. He was another SRO.
6 I believe that was Tim Burton.
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 GV: Um, and I know I asked a question on the way there.
11 Um, I was asking if the shots were still, um,
12 happening. I believe -- I'm not exactly sure --
13 but, um, when the officers were on scene, when they
14 went 97, which was, I mean, arrival.
15
16 RB: (Unintelligible) .
17
18 GV: That is, uh -- that was Iarriccio and Timmy. They
19 said that there was no gunshots. They -- they did
20 not hear any gunshots.
21
22 KR: Okay. So once they went 10-97, they told you they
23 had not heard any gunshots.
24
25 GV: Right.
26
27 KR: Okay. Um, how did you know to go to the 1200
28 Building?
29
30 GV: Um, I believe there was, um -- the information was
31 relayed by the officers on scene --
32
33 KR: Okay.
34
35 GV: -- on the radio that --
36
37 KR: Okay.
38
39 GV: the incident took -- the shots were coming
40 had come from the 1200 Building.
41
42 KR: Okay. All right. Um, was that the only BSO officer
43 you saw?
44
45 GV: That was the only officer I saw -
46
47 KR: Was that BSO?
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1 KR: Okay. Who else from CSPD do you remember?
2
3 GV: It was, uh -- I -- I remember the sergeant, Sergeant
4 Foti, um, Officer Carvalho. Um, they were all on
5 the first floor. I saw, obviously, uh, Captain
6 Captain Gallagher. Um, (unintelligible) .
7
8 KR: Did you see --
9
10 GV: Um, Iarriccio. I saw Iarriccio. He was helping --
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 GV: -- uh, clear, uh, classrooms inside --
15
16 KR: Okay.
17
18 GV: -- the building. I didn't see Tim Burton, um,
19 inside that building.
20
21 KR: Okay. Could there have been other officers that you
22 just don't remember seeing?
23
24 GV: There was many officers. I just don't remember.
25
26 KR: All right. Do you, uh you came in from the east.
27 Do you remember a team coming in from the west?
28
29 GV: Um
30
31 KR: Or were they --
32
33 GV: I know that there was a team that was at the west
34 door. I never -- I don't remember seeing them.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 GV: I stayed on the first floor --
39
40 KR: Okay.
41
42 GV: -- of the 1200 Building. I did not go anywhere
43 else.
44
45 KR: All right. When you're en route or after you got
46 there, while you're clearing, did you have any
47 communications issues?
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49 GV: Did I have --
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2
3 GV: -- communications issues? No, not at all.
4
5 KR: Okay. And --
6
7 GV: Not with my dispatcher.
8
9 KR: Okay. Did you have -- did you use the radio that
10 much?
11
12 GV: Yes. Uh, well, I did a little bit.
13
14 KR: Okay. And -- but you never had a problem getting
15 them to answer you or
16
17 GV: No.
18
19 KR: getting out --
20
21 GV: Never.
22
23 KR: -- or anything like that? Okay. Did you hear
24 anybody exclaim that they had -- were having
25 troubles getting hold of either --
26
27 GV: I think during the course of, uh, the event, I did
28 hear Dispatch, Main [phonetic] -- our Dispatch say
29 that they -- that BSO's radios weren't -- that they
30 were having issues with their radios.
31
32 KR: Okay. The BSO guy that was there with y'all, did he
33 ever say anything to you?
34
35 GV: Um, I never spoke with him.
36
37 KR: Okay.
38
39 GV: I -- I just saw him briefly.
40
41 KR: Okay.
42
43 GV: He -- I think he went upstairs.
44
45 KR: Okay.
46
47 GV: And I stayed on the first floor.
48
49 KR: Okay. Um, do you remember hearing anything -- and I
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2 the video, when they came back and said, "He's on
3 the second floor." And he really wasn't.
4
5 GV: Yes. You --
6
7 KR: Do you remember that?
8
9 GV: During the course of clearing the classrooms on the
10 first floor, I did hear on the radio that they
11 observed the suspect upstairs on the third or second
12 -- second or third floor. I don't remember which
13 floor. And then, um -- so we were ready to engage
14 the suspect if he'd come down. I know we had guys
15 in the stairwell
16
17 KR: Uh - huh .
18
19 GV: -- as well. Um, but, uh, then, uh, apparently they
20 advised that there was a delay and that --
21
22 KR: Do you know who was telling you that? Was that on -
23
24
25 GV: Um
26
27 KR: your channel?
28
29 GV: that was on my channel.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 GV: So that was a relay, yes.
34
35 KR: All right. I know there was a patch done at some
36 time. Is there an obvious difference when you go
37 from just CSPD to a patch with BSO or anything like
38 that? Do you recall, is --
39
40 GV: I don't -- I don't recall --
41
42 KR: Okay.
43
44 GV: anything about hearing any BSO, um, officers on
45 our channel.
46
47 KR: Okay.
48
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2
3 GV: No.
4
5 KR: Okay. 'Cause they have different call -- totally
6 different call signs than you and
7
8 GV: Yes.
9
10 KR: -- it would be obvious.
11
12 GV: Yeah, I don't -- I don't recall at all if I heard a
13 BSO officer on our channel.
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15 KR: All right. Do you do you recall hearing your
16 office trying to talk to BSO on your channel?
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18 GV: I don't recall that.
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20 KR: Okay. Um, I may have already asked this, but I'm --
21 just to clarify again, or make -- just make certain.
22 As you're coming running up here, you're obviously
23 focused on this. Do you recall seeing a deputy,
24 obviously Deputy Peterson, standing in this -- in
25 this area of the 7 -- 800?
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27 GV: I never saw Deputy Peterson.
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29 KR: Okay. Do you know him?
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31 GV: Uh, I know him from, like, uh, previous incidences.
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33 KR: Okay. Right. Okay. But you never saw him?
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35 GV: I never saw him that day.
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37 KR: All right. Cool. Um, switch, uh -- any questions?
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39 RB: Uh-uh.
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41 KR: Okay. Switch gears to training. Does your agency
42 have an active shooter policy?
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44 GV: Yes.
45
46 KR: All right. What does it say to do in the case of an
47 active shooter?
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49 GV: It says run, um run towards the threat to -- to,
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4 GV: It doesn't matter.
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6 KR: Okay.
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8 GV: Whoever's the first at the scene.
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10 KR: Okay. How often do you train?
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12 GV: Uh, we do in-service training once a year. We have
13 firearms training, um, quarterly.
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15 KR: Uh, when's the last time you had active shooter
16 training?
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18 GV: Um, I believe it was last year.
19
20 KR: Okay. Um, do you do active shooter every year?
21
22 GV: Um, well, we don't always train active shooter.
23 It's -- it's -- our training unit has a --
24
25 KR: A (unintelligible) service something?
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27 GV: They have, uh, certain classes that they teach every
28 year.
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30 KR: All right.
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32 GV: I'm not exactly sure how many times we train --
33 trained it, but it was, um, recent.
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35 KR: Okay. I mean, like our agency, we -- we did active
36 shooter a year, year and a half ago, but then when
37 we do our quarterly training, they'll throw in a
38 little scenario that's like a mini-active shooter or
39 -- or some sort of barricaded subject or something
40 like that --
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42 GV: Yes, we --
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44 KR: to stop.
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46 GV: -- we have that every year. We have --
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48 KR: Yeah.
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4 GV: -- every year.
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6 KR: Yeah.
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8 GV: It incorporates emergency responses and things of
9 that type.
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11 KR: All right. Okey-dokey. All right. To, uh -- to
12 basically go back over real quick, you -- you go 10-
13 97 in front of the school on Pine Island, make your
14 way to the 1200, team up with your other members and
15 -- and sweep the, uh -- the, uh, floor, um, of the
16 1200 Building. You don't -- didn't see Peterson,
17 didn't see any of the other deputies, other than
18 that one deputy that joined y'all. Is that correct?
19
20 GV: That's correct.
21
22 KR: Okay. Once you finished with the 1200 Building, did
23 you go elsewhere on the school?
24
25 GV: Yes.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 GV: After we, um, cleared the 1200 Building, we did a
30 secondary search and we were relieved by BSO SWAT
31 team --
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33 KR: Uh-huh.
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35 GV: -- at that building. Um, I teamed up with, um,
36 more officers, and we cleared the first floor of the
37 800 Building and the first floor of the 700.
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39 KR: Did you have any cormnunications issues when you were
40 doing that?
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42 GV: No.
43
44 KR: Did you have any cormnunications issues the entire
45 incident?
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47 GV: Never.
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49 KR: Okay. Did you hear -- other than what we've already
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10 KR: Okay. All right. In regards to this investigation,
11 is there anything that I either failed to ask or
12 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
13 your statement today?
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15 GV: No, sir .
16
17 KR: All right. Have you been promised anything in
18 exchange for this statement today?
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20 GV: No.
21
22 KR: Uh, has the information that you provided during
23 this interview -- interview been the truth to the
24 best of your knowledge or recollection?
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26 GV: Yes.
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28 KR: This interview is concluded approximately 4:15 p.m.
29 on May the 14th, 2018.
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6 LN SPECIAL AGENT SUPERVISOR LUIS NEGRETE
7 IR SENIOR INTELLIGENCE ANALYST IGNACIO RAMOS
8 JW OFFICER JAMES WEBER
9
10 LN: Okay. The date is August 30th, 2018. The time is
11 approximately 1:49 p.m. Um, I am Special Agent
12 Supervisor Luis Negrete of the Office of Executive
13 Investigation. Also present is Ignacio Ramos, um,
14 Senior Crime Intelligence Analyst. The location of
15 this interview is the Coral Springs Police
16 Department in Coral Springs, Florida. I will be
17 questioning James Weber as a witness in an official
18 FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
19 Inspector Keith Riddick is the inspector in charge
20 of this investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this a witness statement being
26 given by you as part of the investigation into the
27 law enforcement response to the MSD School shooting
28 that occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
29 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
30 to provide this statement. Do you understand?
31
32 JW: Yes, sir.
33
34 LN: Prior to beginning the interview, you should be
35 aware of the following. This interview is being
36 recorded. As a law enforcement officer, I am
37 empowered to administer oath and take statements.
38 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
39 you. You will be under oath, and if you knowingly
40 provide false statements, you can be criminally
41 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
42 items I have just informed you of?
43
44 JW: Yes, sir.
45
46 LN: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
47 or affirm that the information you are about to give
48 today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
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1 JW: I do.
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3 LN: Please state your full name.
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5 JW: My name is James Michael Weber.
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7 LN: Place of employment?
8
9 JW: I work for the Coral Springs Police Department as a
10 law enforcement officer.
11
12 LN: For how long?
13
14 JW: I started in July, uh, 6th, 1999. And my first
15 couple years, I was assigned to road patrol. And
16 then, in 2003, uh, I have been assigned to Youth
17 Liaison Unit ever since.
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19 LN: Was that your assignment on February 14th of this
20 year?
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22 JW: Yes, sir.
23
24 LN: Okay. Um, let's go back to February 14th. Where
25 were you, and how -- around what time, and how did
26 you hear about the school shooting at MSD?
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28 JW: Okay. As I mentioned, um, my daily assignment is
29 with the Youth Liaison Office. Um, I'm a school
30 resource officer. My two schools are Ramblewood
31 Elementary and Westchester Elementary. Um, around
32 that time of the day, after dismissal at the
33 elementary schools, um, the elementary school SROs
34 are assigned to go to the high schools to provide
35 additional officer coverage.
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37 So, at that point in time, when the call came out
38 for Stoneman, I was en route to Taravella High
39 School, which is my daily, uh, routine. I go down
40 there about 2:40 every day to assist with their
41 dismissal. On my way to the school, to Taravella, I
42 heard the radio call go out. As soon as I heard the
43 call go out, I immediately responded to the police
44 department and picked up the SWAT command vehicle.
45 One of my additional assignments is I'm a driver for
46 the, um, SWAT command vehicle. And based on
47 previous incidents that we had, I knew that this
48 vehicle was definitely gonna be needed. So, I took
49 it upon myself to pick up the vehicle and I
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3 LN: All right. Now, um, I see on Map 1 that we offered
4 you that you, uh, placed where the -- where you --
5 is this where you parked the vehicle?
6
7 JW: Well, initially, I, uh, took the northbound Coral
8 Springs Drive. Um, obviously, there was a lot of
9 vehicles by the time I got there. When I first
10 parked the vehicle, I was actually just south of the
11 Sawgrass Expressway on Coral Springs Drive. Once
12 everything kind of got situated, we did move it up a
13 little bit further so then we were north of the, uh,
14 Sawgrass Expressway once events stabilized.
15
16 LN: All right. Um, when you got there, what did you
17 observe?
18
19 JW: Um, initially, it was just a lot of cars in the way.
20 Going up there with the command vehicle, it's a 42
21 foot vehicle. So, I'm trying to maneuver my way up.
22 They were moving cars, and everything else, so I
23 could get up as far as I could, as close to the
24 school as I could. Um, initially, I couldn't go any
25 further then, uh, where we were initially. And
26 then, once the events stabilized, I was able to move
27 up. Uh, my whole time, um, during this whole
28 incident, I was pretty much on the command vehicle
29 and never exited the command vehicle to go onto the
30 school grounds, or anything like that.
31
32 LN: All right. Um, were you on the radio?
33
34 JW: Uh, just talking to the Dispatch to let them know
35 that I was picking up the command vehicle. And
36 then, when I got there, um, to let them know that I
37 was 97, which means that I arrived at the scene.
38
39 LN: All right. Did you have were there any issues,
40 that you of, with the Coral Springs radio system?
41
42 JW: With the Coral Springs radio system, no.
43
44 LN: Okay. Were you able to -- did you key up? And were
45 you able to?
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47 JW: We basically have -- we can monitor the radio
48 traffic on the command vehicle. So, at no time did
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1 LN: Okay. But did you key up personally and talk to
2 Dispatch?
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4 JW: Just when I got to the scene.
5
6 LN: Oh. Yeah.
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8 JW: To let them know -- know that I was there.
9
10 LN: Okay. Outstanding. Um, did you, at any point, hear
11 any shots?
12
13 JW: No.
14
15 LN: Okay. And you said at no point did you go onto the
16 school grounds?
17
18 JW: That's correct, sir.
19
20 LN: Outstanding. Um, you stayed the whole time inside
21 the command bus?
22
23 JW: That is correct.
24
25 LN: All right. While in there, um, who do you remember
26 seeing?
27
28 JW: One of the first people that, uh, came onboard was
29 our Deputy Chief Clyde Parry --
30
31 LN: Uh-huh.
32
33 JW: -- who has since been promoted to Chief of Police.
34 Um, he was one of the first officers on board. Um,
35 one of the first things we did -- we have maps of
36 all the schools in our city. And we actually had
37 the full 10 by 17 map of Stoneman Douglas. So, we
38 brought that out. And then, um, later on, we made a
39 whole bunch of copies for the SWAT teams so they
40 can, kind of, uh, do a radius search.
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42 LN: Okay.
43
44 JW: Of the school, you know?
45
46 LN: Uh-huh.
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48 JW: Piece by piece. But initially, uh, that was pretty
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1 LN: All right. Um, did you observe, uh, the chief make
2 -- giving any orders, or any assignments regarding
3 the law enforcement response?
4
5 JW: There were so many people coming onto the bus at
6 that point in time. I just remember him, because he
7 was, like, one of the first people.
8
9 LN: Uh-huh.
10
11 JW: Um, I know they were looking over the map, and they
12 were trying to get a -- at that point, everything
13 was still, kind of, unwinding. We didn't know if he
14 was still on campus, the shooter.
15
16 LN: Uh-huh.
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18 JW: Or if he, uh, had left. So, at this point, we were
19 trying to get as much information as we could.
20
21 LN: Okay. And that information that you just talked
22 about, was that received through the radio?
23
24 JW: Yes.
25
26 LN: Okay. Uh, did you -- do you know of, uh, Deputy
27 Peterson? Scot Peterson?
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29 JW: No. Never met the man.
30
31 LN: You never met the man? Okay. Perfect. Um, in
32 regards, uh, to the actual -- I want to shift gears
33 a little bit. Uh, in regards to training, um, does
34 your agency have a active shooter policy?
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36 JW: Yes.
37
38 LN: And what does that policy entail?
39
40 JW: Well, we train -- we -- the beautiful thing with
41 Coral Springs, we do have, um -- because I worked in
42 Ohio for 13 years as a police officer. So, when I
43 came down here, um, we have a very structured -- we
44 have a training unit. And we get structured
45 training every quarter. Um, we train on a
46 consistent basis for active shooter events.
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48 LN: Okay. When was the last time you went through
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1 JW: Uh, just recently during the summer months. We re-
2 did the whole active shooter again.
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4 LN: Okay. And prior to the incident?
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6 JW: Uh, it seems like we -- we do it at least once a
7 year.
8
9 LN: Okay.
10
11 JW: For the most part, I would say almost once a year
12 that we're doing something active killer -- active,
13 uh, shooter related.
14
15 LN: All right. So, it's fair to assess around 2017?
16
17 JW: We do it all the time. Whether it's even just
18 playing with, uh, tourniquets.
19
20 LN: Okay.
21
22 JW: To doing an active killer type incid~nt.
23
24 LN: All right.
25
26 JW: We're doing it all the time.
27
28 LN: And, per your policy, is it once you know, or you
29 are aware of an active shooter, is it to wait?
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31 JW: When we hear gunshots, we go right to the gunshots.
32
33 LN: Even if you're the only officer?
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35 JW: That's our training.
36
37 LN: Outstanding.
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39 JW: We've trained like that many times. In fact, many,
40 many years ago, because we -- we actually went to,
41 like, the middle school. I just remember, like,
42 Coral Springs Middle School. And we're all lined
43 up. So, as soon as we heard the shots, I mean, they
44 had us running, you know, to go in and confront the,
45 uh, shooter.
46
47 LN: Okay.
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49 JW: So, we've consistently practiced that for years.
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2 there anything that I either failed to ask or
3 anything that you would like to add or clarify in
4 your statement?
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6 JW: No, I'm pretty -- like I say, for me, it was a very
7 limited event. I took the vehicle, and pretty much
8 stayed with the vehicle the whole time.
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10 LN: Questions?
11
12 IR: No.
13
14 LN: All right. Have you been promised anything in
15 exchange for providing this statement today?
16
17 JW: No, sir.
18
19 LN: Has the information that you have provided during
20 this interview been the truth to the best of your
21 knowledge or recollection?
22
23 JW: Yes, sir.
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25 LN: All right. This interview is concluded at 1:58 p.m.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF JASON WHISNANT, #EI-26-0079, 8/30/18)
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4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 TC Inspector Troy Cope
7 MP Meschelle Pittman
8 JW Jason Whisnant
9 SM Steve Melnick
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11 TC: Okay. The date is Thursday, August 30th, 2018. The
12 time is approximately 2:04 p.m. I am Inspector Troy
13 Cope of the Office of Executive Investigations. And
14 also present at this time is Meschelle Pittman. The
15 location of this interview is the Coral Springs
16 Police Department Headquarters. I will be
17 questioning Officer Jason Whisnant --
18
19 JW: Yes.
20
21 TC: -- as a witness in an official -- in an official
22 FDLE investigation. Case number EI-26-0079.
23 Inspector Keith Riddick is the inspector that is in
24 charge of this investigation. And also present is
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27 SM: Steve Melnick, FOP attorney.
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29 TC: Thank you. On February 25, 2018, Governor Scott
30 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
31 response to the shooting in Parkland.
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33 For the record, I'd like to clarify that this is a
34 witness statement being given by you as part of the
35 investigation into the law enforcement response to
36 the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
37 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
38 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
39 Do you understand?
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41 JW: Yes.
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43 TC: Prior to the beginning of this interview, you should
44 be aware of the following. This interview is being
45 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
46 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
47 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
48 you. You will be under oath. And if you knowingly
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3 JW: Yes.
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5 TC: Please raise your right hand. Let the record
6 reflect he's raised his right hand. Do you solemnly
7 swear or affirm that the information you're about to
8 give today is the truth, the whole truth, and
9 nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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11 JW: I do.
12
13 TC: Thank you. And for the record, can I get you to
14 please state your full name?
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16 JW: Yes. Jason Whisnant, W-H-I-S-N-A-N-T.
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18 TC: Okay. And your current place of employment?
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20 JW: Coral Springs Police Department.
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22 TC: And I know before we got started, you said you are a
23 police officer. That's your official title?
24
25 JW: That's correct.
26
27 TC: Okay. How long have you been with the Coral Springs
28 Police Department?
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30 JW: Five years, seven months.
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32 TC: Okay. All as a police officer?
33
34 JW: Yes.
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36 TC: Okay. Prior to joining Coral Springs Police
37 Department, had you had any prior law enforcement
38 experience?
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40 JW: Yes, I was a law enforcement officer in North
41 Carolina, uh, since September of 2009.
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43 TC: Okay. What agency?
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45 JW: Um, I worked for the Clay County Sheriff's Office
46 and the Sylva Police Department.
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48 TC: Okay. On February 14th, 2018, did you respond in
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4 TC: Okay. On that date, do you recall what your radio
5 call sign was?
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7 JW: Yes, Mike 36.
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9 TC: Okay. So M36?
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11 JW: That's correct.
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13 TC: Okay. And do you recall approximately what you were
14 wearing that day?
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16 JW: Uh, my standard patrol uniform.
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18 TC: okay. And can you walk us through how you became
19 aware that there was something going on at the high
20 school?
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22 JW: Uh, yes. Um, so my normal schedule is Tuesday
23 through Friday, 2 p.m. to midnight. Uh, I come in
24 at 2 p.m. in the afternoon. We have briefing 'til
25 approximately 2:30 in the afternoon. Um, it usually
26 doesn't run that long though, it's just if it needs
27 to. Um, so we, uh, cleared briefing. Um, if you
28 come directly down the hallway from our briefing
29 room towards report writing, there's a coffee
30 machine. Um, I was standing there with, um,
31 Sergeant Reid and another officer. Um, I don't
32 recall the other officer that was there with us
33 though. And, uh, we were getting coffee from the
34 machine.
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36 Um, at approximately -- I believe it was like 1423
37 hours is what I put on my report, so, um, it was
38 approximately that time, uh, the -- one of the fire
39 chiefs -- uh, I believe he's a division chief, Mike
40 Moser -- uh, came out of the stairwell which goes up
41 in between the second and third floor. And, uh,
42 came running out of the stairwell and said that
43 there was an active shooter at Douglas, um, and just
44 continued running down the hallway. Um, so Sergeant
45 Reid said, "Go ahead and start that way. I'll
46 figure out what's going on." Uh, ran out to my car,
47 um, started to proceed up towards the school, which
48 is like, three miles from the police department,
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2 were taking a report of an active shooter from the
3 school, um, which, uh, they -- Dispatch advised us
4 at the time yes, they were, um, but they were in the
5 process of transferring the call -- because we were
6 getting the 911 calls -- to BSO. And then, um, our
7 city also does the fire rescue for Parkland. So I
8 proceeded up to the school. And, um, when I
9 arrived, I parked my vehicle in the southeast corner
10 of the complex, um, which is -- there's this loop
11 parking lot.
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13 TC: Okay.
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15 JW: So I parked on, um -- I believe it's Pine Island --
16 yeah, it's Pine Island Road on the Parkland side. I
17 literally parked right on the entrance --
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19 TC: Okay.
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21 JW: -- to that parking lot.
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23 TC: Can you put an X or circle where you parked, please?
24
25 JW: Yes.
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27 TC: And so, just for the record, this is the, uh,
28 southeast corner of the campus.
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30 JW: Yes.
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32 TC: So the very first kinda bus loop or parking lot, if
33 you will, that's on Pine Island Road, heading
34 northbound.
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36 JW: Yes.
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38 TC: And -- okay. So you parked right there at the
39 corner. Okay. And you're just gonna walk us
40 through. Well, I'll tell you what, let me -- let me
41 back you up just real quick.
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43 JW: Sure.
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45 TC: As you're going, what type of information, before
46 you got there, that you -- that you received over
47 the radio?
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2 that I had was that the shooter was still actively
3 in the building shooting, um, and that he was on the
4 second floor armed with a rifle and a gas mask --
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6 TC: Okay.
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8 JW: -- or some type of mask. Um, and so when I arrived
9 on scene, I was under the assumption that he was
10 still actively shooting inside of the building.
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12 TC: Okay. And so on figure two here, can you kinda draw
13 -- did you get out and immediately go onto the
14 campus?
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16 JW: Yes, I grabbed my gear, uh, which was a helmet, my
17 rifle, and, uh, my go bag, uh, with extra equipment
18 in it. And then I proceeded northbound through this
19 parking lot that runs in front of Buildings, uh, 1
20 and 8. And I was running through the parking lot in
21 front of the building, there was a Broward County
22 Sheriff's deputy that was in the parking lot. Um,
23 and since we're not super familiar with the building
24 numbers like, um -- I basically know the layout of
25 the school, but I didn't know which -- what the
26 building
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28 MP: Uh-huh.
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30 JW: -- numbers were. So I just asked him, "Where is
31 Building 12?" And he said, "It's literally around
32 the corner from Building 8." So we continued around
33 over here and --
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35 MP: The BSO deputy with you at this point? You guys
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38 JW: No, at this point --
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40 MP: or he just stayed there? Okay.
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42 JW: it was myself, Officer Caballero and several
43 other officers. I just remember Officer Caballero
44 'cause he pulled up pretty much next to my vehicle
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47 MP: Okay.
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3 JW: there was several other officers though.
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5 MP: caravan over, uh, from here to there?
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7 JW: No, I drove the car -- my car by myself.
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9 MP: How long did it take you to get from here to the
10 school?
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12 JW: From here to the school, maybe two minutes --
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14 MP: Okay.
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16 JW: -- I mean, yeah. 'Cause by this point, everybody
17 had heard on the radio what was going on. So we had
18 our, um -- like our traffic accident investigators
19 or civilians -- they were literally blocking the
20 intersection. So when I left here, I ran code from
21 here to the school and did not have to stop for an
22 intersection.
23
24 MP: Okay.
25
26 JW: Um --
27
28 MP: And there were other -- well, if you recall, was
29 there a -- was there a perimeter set up with other
30 officers? Had they already set up a perimeter or do
31 you recall that?
32
33 JW: Um, so from the time I got out of the car and made
34 my way through this parking lot right here, um, just
35 east of Building one and 8, the only, uh, officer I
36 saw was that BSO deputy --
37
38 MP: Okay.
39
40 JW: -- that was in the parking lot. Um, I don't know if
41 they were setting up perimeter or not at that point.
42 Um, and, uh, once I made it around Building 8 and
43 saw the parking lot here, there were officers in
44 front of the east side entrance to Building 12 and
45 other officers in the parking lot as well.
46
47 MP: And what were they doing?
48
49 JW: Uh, so when I arrived, this -- these doors had
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1 standing by the doors or they were making entry into
2 the doors.
3
4 MP: Okay. And the ones that were in the parking lot
5
6 JW: Were looking up at the building, 'cause at that
7 point, they didn't really have any coverage on the
8 windows. So that building's got windows all around
9 it up to the third floor --
10
11 MP: Uh-huh.
12
13 JW: -- and the report we had was that the suspect was on
14 the second floor at the time.
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 JW: Um, so these officers are either watching a
19 perimeter around the building or were looking up and
20 just covering the windows.
21
22 MP: Were their guns drawn?
23
24 JW: Yes.
25
26 MP: Were they taking cover?
27
28 JW: Yes.
29
30 MP: Okay. Okay.
31
32 JW: Um, which at that time, I didn't see any BSO
33 deputies in the parking lot. They deputies that I
34 -- or the officers that I saw were Coral Springs
35 officers
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 JW: um, in the parking lot and at the door here.
40
41 MP: So at this point, the only BSO deputy you saw was
42
43 JW: The one that was --
44
45 MP: in that parking lot?
46
47 JW: the one that was in the
48
49 TC: If you could just make an X where so we can come
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1 saw the deputy --
2
3 JW: Sure.
4
5 TC: -- BSO. Okay. And then can you draw that line you
6 took through there?
7
8 MP: Yeah, just kinda show the route that you went.
9
10 JW: All right. Let me -- yeah --
11
12 MP: Okay.
13
14 JW: -- I went all the way up through here. And then we
15 cut across here to this corner and then made our way
16 to this adjutment right here. There's actually
17 on this corner here, there's a door to exit out of
18 Building 8 that comes out -- I think out of the
19 auditorium, 'cause this like, the back side of the
20 auditorium.
21
22 TC: Uh-huh.
23
24 JW: Um, so there was like, a door there. So it actually
25 -- if you're looking at the building, there's a wall
26 here. And then it juts out. And from that corner,
27 you have a direct view of the southeast corner of
28 Building 12, which is where, um -- the original
29 place that I stopped. Okay?
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 TC: And then from there, just kinda walk us through
34 kinda how you traveled to the campus and --
35
36 JW: Okay.
37
38 TC: -- what you did.
39
40 JW: Um, so when I got to this position here, one of the
41 officers in the parking lot yelled to me that --
42 about him being on the second floor, um, and, uh,
43 that we didn't have coverage. Nobody could -- so
44 from here, we couldn't tell that there was any
45 officers here. So there was nobody that had a clear
46 sight from the -- for these windows on this side.
47
48 TC: Okay.
49
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1 information. When I looked down the south side of
2 Building 12 on the second floor, there's a window
3 open, which would be kinda weird 'cause no other
4 windows were open on the entire building except for
5 that one on that side that -- that I could see. It
6 was just that one window was open and the reports
7 that we had was that he was on the second floor.
8 So, um, basically, I was covering the east side of
9 Building 12 and the south side of Building 12, just
10 checking the windows on the second and third floors
11 to make sure, uh, just in case the shooter tried to
12 shoot out at us --
13
14 MP: Right.
15
16 JW: -- um, to provide coverage. 'Cause not long after I
17 arrived on scene is when they started bringing
18 injured people out onto a golf cart and bringing
19 them out to EMS, which was somewhere out in the
20 parking lot over here.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 JW: Um
25
26 TC: the the northeast side?
27
28 MP: Could you do you -- do you recall who was -- who
29 was bringing them out?
30
31 JW: The officer that was driving the golf cart was
32 Officer Wilkins --
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 JW: -- Brian Wilkins. He's. a Coral Springs Police
37 officer.
38
39 MP: Coral Springs?
40
41 JW: Yes. There was somebody else with him, but I don't
42 know who that was, and their uniform wasn't
43 distinctly identified as being any agency. It just
44 looked kinda like a guy wearing tactical gear.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 JW: Um, so they started bringing people out, um, and
49 then they just started having people run out of the
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1 and -- and then anybody that was, um -- that needed
2 to be moved, they couldn't move themselves, they
3 were putting on the golf cart or carrying out to
4 EMS.
5
6 MP: Now, had you gotten a update over the radio as far
7 as where the suspect was? Did you still think at
8 that moment he was in the building?
9
10 JW: At -- when I was here, yes. We were still under the
11 assumption that he's in the building. And then, um,
12 as time went on, they started getting reports that
13 maybe there was a delay in the camera and that the
14 suspect could possibly have already been gone. So
15 there was a lot of conflicting things, uh, going on.
16 But, um -- um, basically, we were getting updates
17 from -- from our side, but, um, not a lot from BSO.
18 So right before I moved from this position to the
19 front of Building 12 was, uh, when, um, a deputy
20 showed up with some of our other officers. They.
21 came from out of this hallway here, uh, and then
22 made their way to
23
24 MP: Do you recall --
25
26 JW: basically like the front area of this.
27
28 MP: who that deputy was?
29
30 JW: I don' t .
31
32 MP: A description maybe.
33
34 JW: Um, white male, older male.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 JW: Um, I don't know a whole lot of the Parkland
39 deputies, so --
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 JW: -- um
44
45 TC: And when you talk about a hallway, they came from
46 between the 700 and 800 building towards the 1200
47 building?
48
49 JW: Yeah. Uh, basically from this hallway right here,
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2 TC: Yeah.
3
4 JW: -- they came kind of out of that hallway and then
5 went in the front of that. And then --
6
7 TC: Okay. Did they go inside Building 12?
8
9 JW: I didn't see 'em go inside Building 12?
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 MP: Um --
14
15 JW: And I never went inside of the building, I just went
16 to the east entrance and provided extra equipment
17 that they needed, 'cause they were running low on
18 tourniquets and chest seals and such.
19
20 MP: Do you recall seeing, um, BSO Deputy, um, Scott
21 Peterson?
22
23 JW: No. To be honest with you, I'd never seen him
24 before and I couldn't tell ya if I saw him or not.
25 It -- I -- I just saw a deputy.
26
27 MP: Okay.
28
29 JW: I know what he looks like now, but --
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 JW: even even looking at him now, I couldn't tell
34 ya if that was him or not.
35
36 MP: Okay. Okay.
37
38 JW: I didn't really look at him that hard.
39
40 MP: All right.
41
42 JW: Um, and then -- so, um, once I was in front of
43 Building 12, went over here, um, Sergeant Kozlowski
44 came over with a group of other officers and it was
45 -- it was a mix. It was us, um, one guy from the
46 school district police, um, a guy, I think, from
47 Coconut Creek. So there was just a group of us and,
48 uh, he wanted to round up officers and start
49 clearing buildings. So we left Building 12, we went
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3 MP: Now, when you left, uh, Building 1200 and head
4 towards Building 8 --
5
6 JW: Uh