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1 (INTERVIEW OF JAN JORDAN, #EI-26-0079, 6/25/18)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
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6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 BB BRANDY BURNS
8 JJ OFFICER JAN JORDAN
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10 KR: All right. Today's date is June the 25th, 2 018. It
11 is approximately 3:41 p.m. I am Inspector Keith
12 Riddick of the Offices of Executive Investigations.
13 Also present is, um, Brandy Burns with Executive
14 Investigations. Location of this interview is the
15 Broward Sheriff's Office Headquarters in Fort
16 Lauderdale, Florida. I will be questioning Captain
17 Jan Jordan as a witness in an official FDLE
18 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. I am the
19 Inspector in charge of this investigation.
20 On February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott
21 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
22 response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
23 record, I'd like to clarify that this is a witness
24 statement being given by you as part of the
25 investigation into that law enforcement response to
26 the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
27 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
28 and are being compelled to provide -- to provide
29 this statement. Do you understand that, ma'am?
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31 JJ: Yes, sir.
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33 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
34 should be aware of the following: This interview is
35 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
36 I am empowered to administer oaths and take
37 statements. In a moment I will be taking a sworn
38 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
39 you knowingly provide false statements you can be
40 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
41 each of these items I've just informed you of?
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43 JJ: Yes, sir.
44
45 KR: Yes, sir. And for the record, um, Captain Jordan is
46 being, uh, represented by Michael Dutko, Senior, of
47 the law office of Bogan, Schutz, Dutko & Kroll here
48 in Fort Lauderdale. All right. Uh, please raise
49 your right hand, ma'am. All right. For the record,
50 let the -- uh, let the record show the Captain has

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1 raised her right hand. Do you solemnly swear or
2 affirm the information you are about to convey is
3 the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
4 truth, so help you God?
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6 JJ: Yes.
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8 KR: All right. Thank you, ma'am. Please state your
9 full name and how long you've been employed here at
10 BSO.
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12 JJ: Janice M. Jordan. That's J-0-R-D-A-N. And I've
13 been employed, uh, January 2013.
14
15 KR: All right. Do you have prior law enforcement?
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17 JJ: I do, sir.
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19 KR: Okay. Where and how long?
20
21 JJ: I -- I retired from the Fort Lauderdale Police
22 Department after 20 years.
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24 KR: All right. Are -- um, on February 14th, 2018, what
25 was your assignment with, uh, BSO?
26
27 JJ: I was the, uh, District Chief, the Captain of the
28 City of Parkland.
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30 KR: Okay.
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32 JJ: District 17.
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34 KR: And is that what you are now?
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36 JJ: No. Now I'm the Captain of Administration.
37
38 KR: Okay. All right. Um, as we spoke before I turned
39 on the, um, the tape recorder, this is about the
40 school shooting at Stoneman Douglas. How did you
41 first hear about it? When did you know something
42 was going on there?
43
44 JJ: I was in the office, uh, doing some administrative
45 work, taking care of a few personnel issues, and my
46 lieutenant advised me that there was a shooting at
47 the high school.
48
49 KR: Okay. And what did you do then?
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1 JJ: At that point we left the office. Um, we got into
2 his vehicle, drove to -- and drove to the high
3 school.
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5 KR: Okay. Um, who is your lieutenant?
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7 JJ: Lieutenant Mike Devita.
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9 KR: Okay. Um, Lieutenant DeVita has since retired,
10 right?
11
12 JJ: He's retired, yes, sir.
13
14 KR: Okay. I thought so. Um, your district office is
15 there on University, not far from --
16
17 JJ: 6600 block of North University Drive.
18
19 KR: Okay. So, five, six miles, maybe, or is it even
20 that long?
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22 JJ: Probably a little less than that, yep.
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24 KR: I'm not from here so --
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26 JJ: Yeah.
27
28 KR: -- I'm
29
30 JJ: Yeah.
31
32 KR: -- asking. I'm not guessing.
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34 JJ: It's probably -- it's probably a little bit, a --
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36 KR: Okay.
37
38 JJ: couple miles.
39
40 KR: Um, en route did -- did you hear any communications
41 over the radio about where the shooter was, what was
42 going on in Parkland?
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44 JJ: There was -- uh, en route to the scene there was,
45 uh, obviously heavy, um, radio traffic. Um, we were
46 getting sporadic information of -- of different
47 areas of shooting at the school; football field, uh,
48 possibly the north parking lot, um, so we -- we
49 didn't have an exact location.
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1 KR: Okay. Um, do you -- you recall any of the
2 particular, uh, voices, any of the -- who they were
3 saying that? Did -- it's more -- did you hear
4 Deputy Peterson say anything about the shooting in -
5 - while you were -- en route to the school?
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7 JJ: No, I did not.
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9 KR: Okay. All right. Um, I have here, like we talked,
10 I have some maps. If you would, show me -- this one
11 here called "School Boundaries," um, Holmberg Road
12 here. Th~re's the school. The 1200 Building. If
13 you could, just mark about where you ended up
14 parking when you got there. All right. So, you
15 were on the west side of the school, out in front of
16 the Admin Building?
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18 JJ: East side. That's, uh, the east side.
19
20 KR: Uh, east side. Yes. Yes, ma'am.
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22 JJ: Yep, yep, yep.
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24 KR: I'm sorry.
25
26 JJ: East side.
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28 KR: I even corrected a guy earlier that did the same
29 thing.
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31 JJ: Yeah.
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33 KR: So, okay. You -- you parked in front of the Admin
34 Building on the east side of the school.
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36 JJ: Yes.
37
38 KR: When you went 10-97 did you hear any gunshots?
39
40 JJ: No.
41
42 KR: Okay. Did you ever hear any gunshots the entire
43 time you were there?
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45 JJ: No.
46
47 KR: Okay. Um, once you got on scene, what -- what did
48 you do?
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50 JJ: We, uh, we went into the, uh, the administrative

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1 office, uh, and we went to the east side, realizing
2 that -- that there would more than likely be
3 somebody -- somebody there to open the door for us,
4 um, with the school being locked. Um, banged on the
5 door. The door was opened for us and we went into
6 the, uh, the admin office.
7
8 KR: Okay. Who was in there, do you remember, when you
9 got there?
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11 JJ: There, uh, there was nobody visible.
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13 KR: Okay.
14
15 JJ: Um, the -- and -- and I believe it may have been one
16 of the security personnel, um, that -- that let us
17 in, but I -- I couldn't -- couldn't tell you that
18 for a fact.
19
20 KR: Okay. And when you say "we," were you talking about
21 Lieutenant Devita and you here again?
22
23 JJ: Yes.
24
25 KR: Okay. Um, once you got in -- into the school, from
26 there where did you go?
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28 JJ: At that point, um, Lieutenant Devita went back and
29 got his, uh, rifle
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31 KR: Uh-huh.
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33 JJ: and, uh, put his vest on. Um, we had his -- we
34 had his vehicle.
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36 KR: Yes , ma ' am.
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38 JJ: And, um, when he came back in we -- we hide out of
39 the, uh, the admin door, um, into the school a
40 little bit. At that point I had already tried to
41 get on the radio several times and I was unable to;
42 um, on the -- en route there and when we arrived,
43 um, so at that point we stopped, realizing that if
44 we went any further in the school that we may not be
45 able to transmit.
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47 KR: Uh-huh.
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49 JJ: Um, came back into the office. Uh, there were, uh,
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1 you what agencies they were from. Uh, they were
2 police officers that -- that had been -- come down
3 the east side of the school. Um, and with the radio
4 traffic that I heard coming from the football field,
5 the -- there was a lot of -- anything that I could
6 hear sounded like it was coming from the north side.
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8 KR: Uh-huh.
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10 JJ: Um, and the gentleman that had let us in said that
11 he thought something was happening in the 1200
12 Building. At that point I realized that to take
13 control of the situation to have command presence
14 and -- and to be able to give some direction, that I
15 needed to be on the north side of the school. Um,
16 so I -- that's why I left Lieutenant Devita. He
17 took the other officers into the -- into the -- the
18 east side of the school, opened the door for them,
19 and that's why I left the admin office.
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21 KR: All right. And did you go back to his car or how
22 did you get around to the truck?
23
24 JJ: I had his keys.
25
26 KR: Uh-huh.
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28 JJ: And when I left the, uh, office, um, I went out the
29 east doors and I, um, immediately saw, uh, Sergeant
30 Ian Sklar, who's a K-9 officer.
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32 KR: Uh-huh.
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34 JJ: And, um, when I saw Ian he said to me, "Boss, where
35 do you need me?" And -- and I said, "I need you on
36 the north side, and I need to -- you to take me with
37 you over to the north side." So, we jumped in his
38 car, uh, and we drove over to the north side.
39
40 KR: All right. And if you would, show me where y'all
41 ended up that time.
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43 JJ: So --
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45 KR: This -- all right. Let me show you something that
46 you may want to use. This one's actually closer to
47 you. Again, there's the 1200 Building here, the
48 Admin, which is where you would have come from.
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50 JJ: Uh-huh.

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2 KR: And so, I don't know if -- or if you want to use
3 that one or you want to go back to this one.
4 Whichever is good for you. This is Holmberg.
5 There's Pine Island.
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7 JJ: So like you just pointed out, we -- we came out and
8 came around over to Holmberg.
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10 KR: Uh-huh.
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12 JJ: And I believe his car, we left it right about in
13 there
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15 KR: Okay.
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17 JJ: -- somewhere. Came through the gates and I ended
18 up right about there.
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20 KR: Okay. All right. Um, were the gates already open
21 when you got there?
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23 JJ: I -- I I couldn't tell you that right now.
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25 KR: Okay. Do you -- I mean --
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27 JJ: I know the walk -- the -- the -- I know the walk-in
28 gate was, and I'm pretty sure that's the gate I went
29 through.
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31 KR: Okay. You don't remember if they'd already broke
32 down the -- the big gate or
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34 JJ: I believe they had. I -- I I couldn't tell you
35 for, I, for sure. Um, but
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37 KR: Do you remember seeing the Bearcat?
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39 JJ: That came after.
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41 KR: Okay. All right. So then it would have been
42 locked, 'cause --
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44 JJ: Yeah.
45
46 KR: -- they used the Bearcat to open it.
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48 JJ: Yeah.
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50 KR: Okay. Um, so you came through the walk-in gate, and

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1 I'm just gonna -- here, if you will, just show me,
2 you know, go ahead and draw a line, but it -- and
3 it's obviously not to scale or anything like that.
4 But you went from there to that position?
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6 JJ: Yeah, I believe I came -- I -- I came right
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8 KR: Somewhere around
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10 JJ: -- down here.
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12 KR: Okay.
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14 JJ: And and then came in.
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16 KR: All right. From there -- there again, no gunshots?
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18 JJ: No gunshots.
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20 KR: No gunshots. Could you see any damage to the
21 building? What -- what could you see was going on
22 at that time?
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24 JJ: There were -- there -- at that point there were, um,
25 two of my deputies there. Um, that's -- that's the
26 location that I went up to. Two of my deputies were
27 there. They, um, they both told me that there were
28 teams in the building. Um, they had -- they had
29 backed out. Um, again, I -- I -- I couldn't
30 transmit on my radio. I had tried several times.
31 Um, and at that point I saw the -- the third floor
32 window, two gunshots, um, the bullet holes --
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34 KR: Right, right.
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36 JJ: -- gunshot holes.
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38 KR: That's the -- and you're talking about the west end
39 of that third floor?
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41 JJ: The west end of the third floor.
42
43 KR: Right. Okay.
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45 JJ: Yes. Um, the I had already inquired, uh, about -
46 - to -- to to Art about the -- uh, that was, uh,
47 Deputy --
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49 KR: I was gonna ask you --
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1 JJ: Perry.
2
3 KR: who were the two deputies that were there?
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5 JJ: Deputy Perry and Deputy, um, Wolster [phonetic]
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7 KR: Okay.
8
9 JJ: -- were there.
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11 KR: Okay.
12
13 JJ: Dm, about who had been inside the building, um,
14 there -- there was, uh, one victim on the west side
15 of the 1200 Building.
16
17 KR: Uh-huh.
18
19 JJ: And I inquired about him, and told them we need to
20 go and -- and -- and get him and pull him back, um,
21 and I was told that he'd already been -- actually
22 been pulled, um, and checked several times.
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24 KR: Okay. Um, let's see. We're going -- all right.
25 When you talk about your radio, uh, having problems
26 getting out, is that what's commonly used, you know,
27 used, the term is bonking, or was it making that
28 noise, or
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30 JJ: It was
31
32 KR: -- it just
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34 JJ: It -- it -- every time I went to transmit it -- it -
35 - it made a (sound effect).
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37 KR: Uh-huh.
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39 JJ: Um, I -- I -- I've -- I've come to learn it's called
40 throttling, but it's a -- it's -- it's definitely a
41 loud honking noise.
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43 KR: Right, right. It, uh, just means that you can't get
44 through because there's everybody and their cousin
45 trying to talk --
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47 JJ: Right.
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49 KR: -- or something's going on with the system.
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1 JJ: Yes.
2
3 KR: Okay. Um, did you try to use other people's radios?
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5 JJ: I did. When I came out of the Admin Building --
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7 KR: Uh-huh.
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9 JJ: -- um, on the east side, and when I saw, uh,
10 Sergeant Sklar, I asked him to use his radio. He
11 gave me his hand-held to -- to try to transmit on.
12 Um, I tried Lieutenant Devita's, tried my own. In
13 the parking lot I -- I tried, uh, Sergeant Sklar's,
14 um, to no avail. He then suggested I try his -- he
15 -- 'cause he's K-9, he has and in-car radio.
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17 KR: Uh-huh.
18
19 JJ: I tried his in-car radio. Uh, that also didn't
20 work.
21
22 KR: Okay. Um, same -- same effect, bonking or whatever
23 it is?
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25 JJ: Yes.
26
27 KR: All right. Um, were you able to hear anybody saying
28 -- talking over it at different times?
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30 JJ: There was -- there was you could --
31 intermittently I could
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33 KR: Uh-huh.
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35 JJ: -- hear.
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37 KR: Okay. All right. You're 10-97 at the in the
38 parking lot and, um, somewhat near the the east
39 end of the 1300 Building. From there, what
40 happened?
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42 JJ: From there, um, I -- I -- again, I -- I, um, I was
43 behind, um, Deputy Perry. He let me know that there
44 were -- there were teams in the 1200 Building --
45
46 KR: Right.
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48 JJ: -- and that there was a team that was going to be
49 going into the 1300 Building, um, and to -- to
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1 the 1200 area and into the center of the school to -
2 - to -- if I could watch 1300 and the football field
3 area, we still didn't know --
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5 KR: Right.
6
7 JJ: -- uh, a location of the shooter or shooters. Um,
8 at that time I tried to use my radio again to no
9 avail. I also tried, uh -- I took, uh, Deputy
10 Perry's out of his radio holster and tried to use
11 his, as well. Um, at one point -- I put his radio
12 back. At one point I -- he had his -- he's a school
13 resource officer
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15 KR: Yes ma' am.
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17 JJ: in an elementary school. He had his school
18 radio in the car and at one point I picked that up
19 thinking that I could maybe transmit and realized it
20 was a school radio.
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22 KR: Oh.
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24 JJ: Um, so at that point, uh, not being able to
25 communicate I actually took -- I -- I -- I realized
26 with my phone out, because at one point I thought to
27 myself, I should probably try to contact, um, the
28 the North Region Communications and see if -- uh, in
29 -- in my head I -- you know, it was going on --
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31 KR: Right.
32
33 JJ: -- for the radios and -- and how can we fix it --
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35 KR: Uh-huh.
36
37 JJ: -- so we can communicate, especially when we have
38 people in the school. Um, I realized I needed to --
39 uh, it wasn't safe to have my gun out, my phone out,
40 and the radio in my hand, and so I wasn't helping,
41 um, watch any of the buildings. So I holstered my
42 gun, took cover one car behind, um, Deputy Perry, so
43 that I could actually look at my phone for a minute.
44 Uh, and at that, um, scrolling through my phone,
45 looking for the -- for the Supervisor of
46 Communications
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48 KR: Uh-huh.
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1 Captain Robeson [phonetic], who is a SWAT commander,
2 uh, arrived on scene.
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4 KR: Okay. While you're there, and the intermittent
5 radio traffic you could hear, did you hear any of
6 the talk about "He's coming down from the third
7 floor," he's, you know, and then them realizing that
8 that was a 20-minute delay and he'd been gone?
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10 JJ: No. Um, that, I was already -- at that point when -
11 - when those transmissions were coming out I was
12 already -- had been relieved on the north side and I
13 was back on the east side of the school setting up
14 the command center.
15
16 KR: Oh, okay. All right. Um, which would have been
17 shortly after Captain Rob -- Robeson --
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19 JJ: Yeah.
20
21 KR: -- showed up?
22
23 JJ: Yeah.
24
25 KR: Okay. Um, all right. I -- so basically is that
26 what happened next? Captain Robeson showed
27 Robert --
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29 JJ: Robeson.
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31 KR: Robeson.
32
33 JJ: Yep.
34
35 KR: Thank you. Shows up and then you go back around to
36 the --
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38 JJ: Yeah. Captain Robeson, uh, when he -- when he
39 arrived he had -- he had pulled his vehicle in. Um,
40 I went to the back of his car, um, advised him what
41 we had, what we knew we had so far --
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43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 JJ: -- where -- at least where I knew where teams were.
46 Um, and Colonel Poulin [phonetic], um, also arrived
47 on scene, and that's when he asked me to go to the
48 east side on Pine Island and -- and start working on
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1 KR: All right. What is Colonel Poulin over?
2
3 JJ: Uh, DLE.
4
5 KR: DLE? Okay.
6
7 JJ: Yeah.
8
9 KR: Um, all right. So you went around to the east side
10 and started setting up the command post. was --
11 where was -- did end up -- end -- it end up go, uh,
12 being set up? Do you recall?
13
14 JJ: Yes. It was on Pine Island Road.
15
16 KR: Okay. Which is this. And that's the --
17
18 JJ: Main entrance
19
20 KR: You were --
21
22 JJ: to the school.
23
24 KR: Yes , ma ' am.
25
26 JJ: So we were --
27
28 KR: Of course Saw Grass is going to be outside --
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30 JJ: Yep.
31
32 KR: -- of the picture here.
33
34 JJ: Yep. We were right about here.
35
36 KR: Okay. All right.
37
38 JJ: Can you use that one?
39
40 KR: No, (unintelligible). All right. Once you're back
41 at the command post, or when did you start setting
42 up a -- the perimeter, trying to get a perimeter
43 going, and what caused you to do that?
44
45 JJ: The -- the perimeter, um, I inquired about that.
46 Uh, and I -- and I believe that transmission was
47 when I left the Admin Building. I inquired about
48 the perimeter again. I had I had no real-time
49 active intelligence. If we where the shooter
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1 where they were from -- from -- from what I was
2 hearing on the radio. And; um, so I -- I wanted to
3 know if we had, um, any type of perimeter set up,
4 and also, I -- I didn't know, um, if the school was
5 on lockdown or if -- if we had cleared out any
6 portion of the school, if there were any children
7 that could still be outside of the school.
8
9 KR: Okay. So you're trying to set a containment area.
10
11 JJ: Yes, sir.
12
13 KR: In case he was still on --
14
15 JJ: Yes.
16
17 KR: -- on the campus. Okay. Um, as far as the 1200
18 Building goes, did you ever go any -- get any closer
19 to it?
20
21 JJ: Yeah. Not at that time.
22
23 KR: Okay. Um, at any time prior to you going to the
24 command post did you see Deputy Peterson, have any -
25 - any interaction with him?
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27 JJ: I did not.
28
29 KR: Okay. Did you talk to him after?
30
31 JJ: I did not. I believe I saw him the next day.
32
33 KR: Okay. Did you discuss this incident with him?
34
35 JJ: No.
36
37 KR: Okay. All right. Let's go to the command post.
38 You're at the command post, um, and as you know,
39 there's a fire lieutenant, assistant chief or
40 something that has reported that he kept wanting to
41 set up the Rescue Task Forces. Can you tell me
42 about that interaction you had with him?
43
44 JJ: I, um, I remember, uh, having a conversation with
45 Chief McNally [phonetic], um, outside the command
46 post.
47
48 KR: And he is chief of?
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1 (unintelligible).
2
3 KR: He's Fire-Rescue?
4
5 JJ: I -- I think that's his title is Deputy Chief Fire-
6 Rescue
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 JJ: -- Coral Springs Fire Department. Um, I remember
11 having a conversation with him, um, outside of the
12 command post. It would have been a little bit south
13 of the command post. And, um, and at that point he
14 had -- he had asked about a rescue task force.
15
16 KR: Uh-huh.
17
18 JJ: Um, and I explained that -- that at that point we
19 didn't have a shooter in custody. Uh, we hadn't,
20 uh, eliminated the threat. Um, there was no
21 barricaded suspect. We didn't know how many
22 shooters we had. We didn't know if there were any
23 explosive devices in the school. Um, it was still a
24 hot area and, um, it -- it -- and the other thing
25 was SWAT, the SWAT Commander had his team in there,
26 and he was searching the building. Um, not -- I will
27 check. Um, no, right now.
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 JJ: And I will check to see where they are and if they
32 need you.
33
34 KR: Okay. Um, were you aware that SWAT teams had their
35 own medics,with them?
36
37 JJ: Yes, sir.
38
39 KR: Okay. And that's --
40
41 JJ: And I let him know that.
42
43 KR: Okay.
44
45 JJ: That we had SWAT medics.
46
47 KR: And, uh, that's SOP for your agency, to --
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49 JJ: Yes, sir.
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1 (unintelligible).
2
3 KR: He's Fire-Rescue?
4
5 JJ: I -- I think that's his title is Deputy Chief Fire-
6 Rescue
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 JJ: -- Coral Springs Fire Department. Um, I remember
11 having a conversation with him, um, outside of the
12 command post. It would have been a little bit south
13 of the command post. And, um, and at that point he
14 had -- he had asked about a rescue task force.
15
16 KR: Uh-huh.
17
18 JJ: Um, and I explained that -- that at that point we
19 didn't have a shooter in custody. Uh, we hadn't,
20 uh, eliminated the threat. Um, there was no
21 barricaded suspect. We didn't know how many
22 shooters we had. We didn't know if there were any
23 explosive devices in the school. Um, it was still a
24 hot area and, um, it -- it -- and the other thing
25 was SWAT, the SWAT Commander had his team in there,
26 and he was searching the building. Um, not -- I will
27 check. Um, no, right now.
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 JJ: And I will check to see where they are and if they
32 need you.
33
34 KR: Okay. Um, were you aware that SWAT teams had their
35 own medics with them?
36
37 JJ: Yes, sir.
38
39 KR: Okay. And that's --
40
41 JJ: And I let him know that.
42
43 KR: Okay.
44
45 JJ: That we had SWAT medics.
46
47 KR: And, uh, that's SOP for your agency, to --
48
49 JJ: Yes, sir.
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1 KR: -- to have SWAT medics with each -- each team.
2
3 JJ: Yes.
4
5 KR: Okay. Um, so it was a safety?
6
7 JJ: Absolutely it was a safety issue.
8
9 KR: For the -- a safety issue? All right. Um, let me
10 look at your report real quick. Did you go 10-97 on
11 the radio?
12
13 JJ: I probably tried to, um, or the lieutenant did.
14
15 KR: Uh-huh.
16
17 JJ: Um, I don't know if it came over.
18
19 KR: Okay. No problem, 'cause 99 percent of the people -
20
21
22 JJ: Yeah.
23
24 KR: -- didn't. It's not .like y'all weren't busy
25 looking for
26
27 JJ: Right.
28
29 KR: Yeah. All right. Uh, change focus just a little
30 bit here. When's the last time -- uh, I'm sorry. I
31 can't remember. How long have you been with the
32 S.O., since --
33
34 JJ: Uh, um, January of 2013, so --
35
36 KR: Two
37
38 JJ: five years.
39
40 KR: Okay. Um, and have you ever had active shooter
41 training?
42
43 JJ: Yes, sir.
44
45 KR: Okay. Do you remember when?
46
47 JJ: That was, uh, 2015.
48
49 KR: Okay. All right. Are -- the SROs, are they under
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2
3 JJ: They're under our, um -- they're -- they're assigned
4 to the district, so their position number --
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 JJ: -- is under my district, so they're under my
9 command.
10
11 KR: Right.
12
13 JJ: Um, they report to a sergeant in -- in in my
14 command, um, and then downtown we have a SRO, um
15
16 KR: Coordinator or something?
17
18 JJ: -- sergeant, coordinator.
19
20 KR: Okay. All right. So any training that Deputy
21 Peterson or any of those had would be, uh, recorded
22 through your agency.
23
24 JJ: It would -- through our Training Division, here at
25 BSO --
26
27 KR: Training division?
28
29 JJ: -- yes.
30
31 KR: Okay. Um, all right. The last time you had active
32 shooter training was in '15. I understand that's,
33 um, that's the, uh, the answer I've been getting
34 from everybody else. Um, do you recall what BSO's
35 training says about addressing an active shooter?
36 Not only training, but their policy, in case they're
37 different.
38
39 JJ: Yes, I know the policy.
40
41 KR: Okay. And what does it say?
42
43 JJ: ·And you want to know what it says about an active
44 shooter?
45
46 KR: Yes, ma'am, addressing an active shooter.
47
48 JJ: So, uh, addressing an active shooter, the deputies
49 on scene don't need permission from a supervisor or
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2
3 KR: All right.
4
5 JJ: Um, and that the deputy or deputies on scene, um, I
6 think the wording is "may go in" if they know where
7 the shooter or -- or if they hear gunshots and
8 gunfire.
9
10 KR: Have active intelligence.
11
12 JJ: Right, of -- of where it may be.
13
14 KR: Okay. Let's see. Before I get ma'am, can I get
15 you to sign and date these two?
16
17 JJ: Sure. Any particular area?
18
19 KR: Any -- no, ma'am, anywhere. Is there anything else
20 you can -- or, um, in regards to this investigation,
21 is there anything that I either failed to ask or
22 anything that you'd like to add or clarify in your
23 statement today? Anything that you can think of
24 that would help me with my investigation that I
25 didn't cover?
26
27 JJ: No, I just did the -- the -- I would just like to
28 reiterate that the, uh, that the communications and
29 giving any kind of direction and, uh, on that scene
30 was very difficult that day.
31
32 KR: Let me get -- were you ever in close relation to any
33 of the Coral Springs guys as far as, you know, with
34 them, standing near them or anything, as to -- to be
35 able to answer whether or not you could tell if they
36 had communications issues?
37
38 JJ: I was not close enough to any -- any Coral Springs
39 or -- or a different color uniform.
40
41 KR: Okay. All right. Uh, have you been promised
42 anything in exchange for providing this statement
43 today?
44
45 JJ: No, sir.
46
47 KR: Has the information that you provided during this
48 interview been the truth to the best of your
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1 JJ: Yes.
2
3 KR: This interview is concluded at approximately 4:05
4 p.m. on Monday, June 25th.
5
6 (CONCLUSION OF INTERVIEW)
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY HANK JUNTENEN, EI-26-0079, 05/15/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BURNS
8 HJ DEPUTY HANK JUNTUNEN
9 GL GARY LITTMAN
10
11 KR: All right. Today's date is May the 15th, 2018. The
12 time is approximately 3:34 p.m. I am Inspector Keith
13 Riddick from the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present at this time is OE, uh, I member Randy
15 Burns. Uh, location of this interview is the -- is
16 2300 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach, Florida. I will
17 be questioning -- is it deputy, sergeant or --
18
19 HJ: Deputy, yes.
20
21 KR: Deputy? Okay. Deputy -- Deputy Hank Juntunen. Okay.
22 As a witness and official FDLE investigation case
23 number EI-26-0079, the deputy is represented by, uh,
24 Mr. Gary Littman [phonetic], attorney for -- I, uh,
25 um, I am the inspector in charge of this
26 investigation. On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick
27 Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
28 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
29 For the record~ I would like to clarify that this is
30 a witness statement, uh, being given by you as part
31 of that investigation into that law enforcement
32 response to the MSD school shooting that occurred on
33 February 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to
34 appear -- appear today and are being compelled to
35 provide this statement. Do you understand that?
36
37 HJ: Yes, sir.
38
39 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview you
40 should be aware of the following: This interview is
41 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
42 I am empowered to administer -- administer oaths and
43 take statements. In a moment, I will be taking your
44 sworn statement from you. You will be under oath,
45 and if you knowingly provide false statements you
46 can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
47 understand each of these items I've just informed
48 you of?
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50 HJ: Yes, sir.

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2 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand? Let the
3 record reflect the deputy just raised his right
4 hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the
5 information you're about to give today is the truth,
6 the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help
7 you God?
8
9 HJ: Yes, I do.
10
11 KR: All right. Please state your full name, current
12 place of employment and how long you've been so
13 employed.
14
15 HJ: Hank Robert Juntunen. Uh, I currently work for the
16 Broward Sheriff's Office. I've been there for
17 probably about five years.
18
19 KR: All right. Do you have prior law enforcement --
20
21 HJ: Yes, sir.
22
23 KR: Okay.
24
25 HJ: I worked, uh, 10 years with the Florida Fish and
26 Wildlife Conservation Commission.
27
28 KR: All right. All right, sir. Um, I noticed you're
29 empty-handed. I have a copy of your report; would
30 you like it?
31
32 HJ: That's fine.
33
34 KR: Just to refer to it.
35
36 HJ: Right, just to refer to it. Yeah.
37
38 KR: All right. No problem. Um, like I said before we
39 started, um, tell me, how did you first find out
40 about the incident at Douglas?
41
42 HJ: On that day, we, um, we were at the range training.
43 We were doing firearms proficiency training and, uh,
44 we -- Lieutenant McCoy who's our executive officer
45 of the -- our SWAT team said that he got a page that
46 said there's, uh, a shooting at Stoneman Douglas
47 High School, um, that everybody basically needs to,
48 uh, download their magazines from the range ammo,
49 get duty ammo, load it back up and, uh, respond to,
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2 KR: Did you respond by any -- your own -- your own
3 patrol car?
4
5 HJ: Yes, sir.
6
7 KR: Okay. Um, one thing that we is a set of maps. So if
8 you would, on this -- the first one here, uh, the
9 school boundaries --
10
11 RB: Yeah.
12
13 KR: -- this is Stoneman Douglas School here, uh, Pine
14 Island, Holmberg. If you could, on this show me --
15 uh, the 1200 building is right there. If you could
16 on this map, show me where you ended up parking when
17 you first got there.
18
19 HJ: I believe it was Bround this entrance.
20
21 KR: Okay.
22
23 HJ: Somewhere somewhere in here.
24
25 KR: All right.
26
27 HJ: Um, it's -- I'm not too familiar with that area, so
28 I just remembered coming in through -- through, um,
29 one of the entrance gates --
30
31 KR: Uh-huh.
32
33 HJ: -- when we led up to um, because I ended up on
34 the -- the east side of the building.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 HJ: So we basically responded. It was, uh, me, uh, two
39 other SWAT, uh, deputies and a -- one of our SWAT
40 medics.
41
42 KR: Okay. Who's (unintelligible)?
43
44 HJ: So it was four of us. It was, uh, Brendan Hayes
45 [phonetic], Dave Jakes [phonetic] and, um, Garif
46 Bradley [phonetic]. We all pretty much arrived at
47 the same time.
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49 KR: Uh-huh.
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1 HJ: While I was en route I met up with, uh, Hayes and
2 Jakes who were -- who were, um, trying to find their
3 they -- they live up in Palm Beach --
4
5 KR: Uh-huh.
6
7 HJ: -- or live here in Palm Beach, so they -- they
8 weren't too familiar with how to get up to -- to
9 Sawgrass and stuff, so they followed me up to
10 Sawgrass. Um, we came in from the west to east and
11 then basically found a spot through, you know, the
12 -- all of Holmberg was -- was crowded with cars and
13 -- and people and stuff. Um, as we pulled in, Hayes
14 had notified me that he'd seen a bunch of kids
15 hiding behind cars and stuff. So he -- once I parked
16 he started yelling at me. He -- he was driving them
17 up using his car as cover. Um, brought them up to my
18 vehicle, um, and I could that there was a line of
19 police cars, you know, all the way out to -- is it
20 Coral Ridge or Coral Springs? I -- I can't --
21
22 KR: Yeah, uh, the front of the school? There's, uh
23
24 HJ: Yeah, it's all
25
26 KR: -- Pine Island Road
27
28 HJ: Yeah, all the way to the east so the --
29
30 KR: Okay.
31
32 HJ: -- whatever the intersection to the east is. I think
33 that's where they had, like, the command center and
34 all that stuff set up. If I could see the map I
35 could show you.
36
37 KR: So let -- let's -- yeah. This is a, uh, closer up
38 one. Um, so you would have -- indicated you're --
39 you're sitting somewhere around here. That's that,
40 um --
41
42 HJ: Yeah.
43
44 KR: This might help. You know if it's the entrance that
45 was cut open with the, um, the bolt cutters or is
46 the one that your, um, BearCat drove through?
47
48 HJ: I was -- it was -- I'm pretty sure it was this one.
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2 HJ: It was
3
4 KR: Okay.
5
6 HJ: -- standing open when we got there so --
7
8 KR: All right. The gate was not tore all up --
9
10 HJ: Yeah.
11
12 KR: like the BearCat would have. All right. Um, okay.
13 So
14
15 HJ: the, um, basically it •~s -- so the kids were, you
16 know, this is, like, uh, it's got a -- that Bhoulder
17 or the median.
18
19 KR: Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh.
20
21 HJ: The grass median here. We jumped the grass median,
22 parked on the, uh, the, uh, north side. Yeah, the
23 north side
24
25 KR: Uh-huh.
26
27 HJ: -- of -- of Holmberg and then, um, we got all our
28 gear out of here. We saw, you know, other officers
29 here and they kinda just directed us to -- they said
30 that the shooter's in building 1200. So we
31 eventually gathered up. I got -~ Bradley grabbed his
32 medic gear, Hayes grabbed some of his gear, I
33 grabbed, uh, a breaching tool and some smoke just in
34 case we needed it --
35
36 KR: Uh-huh.
37
38 HJ: -- to cross open areas and, uh, Dave Jakes grabbed
39 his gear. We all huddled up real quick and, uh,
40 'cause we got there, like, simultaneously.
41
42 KR: Okay.
43
44 HJ: And, um, we basically -- we bounded across the
45 parking .lot, um, more or less ran to the east side
46 of the building or building 1200.
47
48 KR: If you could just draw me a line, an approximate
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2 HJ: Okay.
3
4 KR: you ended up at --
5
6 HJ: It was, like, kinda -- I remember there was trees
7 here that were --
8
9 KR: Yeah.
10
11 HJ: -- bouncing behind.
12
13 KR: Uh-huh.
14
15 HJ: And then we basically ended up right there.
16
17 KR: All right. Um, so when you went to 97, it -- the
18 road's already full of cop cars?
19
20 HJ: Yeah, it was, you know, like -- basically we -- we
21 ended up jumping the median just because it was
22 clear on the, uh, the westbound lane --
23
24 KR: Uh-huh.
25
26 HJ: -- so we could get -- get over and get closer to --
27 'cause I heard we were en route that the, you know,
28 the -- they were setting up a command center
29 somewhere in that vicinity. So we kinda -- we pulled
30 up, we were kinda asking, Guys, hey, where do we
31 need to go? Where
32
33 KR: Right.
34
35 HJ: Where's, you know, where's the building that's, you
36 know -- because I never been on the -- the campus
37 before so I don't know --
38
39 KR: All right.
40
41 HJ: -- where -- what building is what.
42
43 KR: When you're en route are you hearing any radio
44 traffic about what's going on there?
45
46 HJ: Yeah, the -- you know, it's confirmed shots fired,
47 uh, confirmed victims, the -- uh, so, you know, now
48 the -- it -- before, you know, when it comes out
49 that shots fired you're like, Well, is it, you know,
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1 started painting a picture that it was a pretty
2 significant incident. Um, I still didn't know they
3 -- the gravity of it because they were -- it never
.4 came across. I don't remember how many, you know,
5 victims they were bringing out or or whatever.
6 But I knew it was -- it was gonna be a -- a, uh, a
7 pretty --
8
9 KR: (Unintelligible)
10
11 HJ: -- pretty big scene.
12
13 KR: Yeah. Um, do you remember Deputy Peterson or anybody
14 else coming out saying 1200 building or description
15 of the subject or anything like that?
16
17 HJ: No, I -- I remember something about K-9 was gonna be
18 tracking to the -- to the west or something. There
19 was K-9 on the ground. They weren't quite sure if
20 the -- the suspect was still in the building. The --
21 and then the, um, and then the closer I got, it was
22 kinda my impression was that the suspect was
23 still in the building, in building 1200.
24
25 KR: Right. The, um, you left the range. How far from
26 uh, and -- and I should have asked this earlier. How
27 far is the range from Parkland?
28
29 HJ: So we were at Markham Park, um, which is all the way
30 on the south end of, uh, the Sawgrass Expressway and
31 595 is basically right in that -- that corner there.
32
33 KR: Uh-huh.
34
35 HJ: Um, I couldn't tell you how long it took us to get
36 there
37
38 KR: Okay.
39
40 HJ: but we were going
41
42 KR: We talking 15 miles, 20 miles or --
43
44 HJ: Uh, if it's even that. Uh, it might -- it might be.
45 It's -- it's like -- because Stoneman Douglas is,
46 like, right in the center of the Sawgrass Expressway
47 between --
48
49 KR: Right. Okay.
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1 HJ: -- 595 and --
2
3 KR: One end and the other?
4
5 HJ: Yeah. So --
6
7 KR: Ali right. Um, red code the entire time?
8
9 HJ: Yep.
10
11 KR: Yeah. Okay. Um, you were 10-97. You were -- you make
12 the approach, uh, to the, uh, 1200 building. Um,
13 what were you -- other than the -- the officer or
14 the deputies you were with -- uh, they're SWAT
15 medics. Are they deputies also or are they --
16
17 HJ: Paramedics.
18
19 KR: -- fire rescue?
20
21 HJ: They were paramedics, yeah.
22
23 KR: Okay. And they --
24
25 HJ: So -- they were rescue paramedics.
26
27 KR: And they're trained as SWAT deputies?
28
29 HJ: Yep.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 HJ: They -- they are -- they're armed, too, you know,
34 with a, uh, falling under the -- the statute of, uh,
35 for -- for SWAT medics.
36
37 KR: We had
38
39 RB: (unintelligible).
40
41 HJ: Yeah.
42
43 KR: -- been in the same thing.
44
45 HJ: Yeah.
46
47 KR: Yeah. Okay. Cool. Um, all right. As you're
48 approaching the school, are you, or any time for
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1 'til when you get to the school and as you're coming
2 up, are you having any communications issues?
3
4 HJ: Uh, not that I recall. I was never on the radio
5
6 KR: Okay.
7
8 HJ: -- so I was just
9
10 KR: You had to drive
11
12 HJ: Yeah, I just -- I switched over the channel and just
13 monitored. I didn't wanna tie up the -- the radio
14 with just -- you know, because every -- everybody
15 was asking, you know, questions and stuff --
16
17 KR: All right.
18
19 HJ: -- so it was
20
21 KR: All right. Okay. Um, all right. You -- you get up to
22 the, um, to the east side of the -- of the 1200
23 building. Were, uh, were there teams already inside?
24
25 HJ: Yeah, there was, uh, so everybody had their guns
26 kinda fixated on -- on 1200.
27
28 KR: Uh-huh.
29
30 HJ: So we kinda, you know, through people pointing and,
31 you know, just a quick, you know -- or everybody was
32 outside and just kinda pointed us to the 1200
33 building.
34
35 KR: Okay.
36
37 HJ: Once we got to the 1200 building we met up with, uh,
38 some officers outside. I -- I think there was
39 deputies and -- and, uh, people from Coral Springs.
40 They could have been from Sunrise. I don't -- you
41 know?
42
43 KR: Yeah -- no --
44
45 HJ: All I remember was, you know, the BSO guys and --
46 and then some, you know, people wearing, uh, blue.
47 So met up with them, they said, you know, This is
48 basically the building. Um, the guy is upstairs
49 somewhere. They don't really know where -- if he's
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1 Jakes, myself, Brendan Hayes and, uh, Garif Bradley,
2 we -- we made initial entry. We saw that there was,
3 uh, a team already on the first floor. When -- as
4 soon as we came in there was, uh, the stairwells to
5 -- to our right.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 RB: Uh-huh.
10
11 HJ: So Hayes directed Dave and I to -- to take the
12 stairwells and basically plug that. He saw that the
13 -- the first floor was pretty much kinda overtaken
14 with -- with teams there. So he brought Bradley in.
15 Dave and I went to the stairwell, um, started
16 working the stairwell. It was just mass pandemonium.
17 Everybody's screaming, um, we tried to, you know,
18 get everybody to, you know, quiet down because we --
19 at that point, we thought -- believed and it was
20 kinda coming over the radio with their -- on the --
21 the -- that, um, surveillance system --
22
23 KR: Uh-huh.
24
25 RB: Uh-huh.
26
27 HJ: -- that they they could see him on the -- the
28 second floor or third floor --
29
30 KR: All right.
31
32 HJ: -- you know walking around. And, um, so we started
33 working the stairwell. We held at the bottom first,
34 went up to that -- that second landing or the first
35 landing, whatever. It was kinda -- the -- the stair
36 is kinda table topped over the --
37
38 KR: Right.
39
40 HJ: -- the kickback and then they go back up to the --
41 the second floor. So we hit that, um, that landing,
42 held there. Um, Hayes said, you know, we -- we were
43 -- started having problems with the radio. I didn't
44 know if it was because we were in the building or
45 whatever, but we weren't able to communicate with,
46 uh, Hayes. He was running back and forth and he
47 kinda told us, he goes, "Hey, we got a victim. We're
48 bringing her out." And, um, he goes, "I'm
49 communicating -- we have a team pushing on the west
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1 crossfire situation." So he was running the victim
2 out while we're, um, holding on the stairs. We were
3 holding there for awhile and, um, that's when the
4 .radio transmission came back. He was -- the suspect
5 was on the east side of the building getting ready
6 to come down to the second floor.· So we're like --
7 we're holding there and -- and nothing's happening.
8 Then it's kinda, you know, our radios are -- I can't
9 communicate with Hayes outside, I can't communicate
10 with the team on the east side.
11
12 KR: Are you on, uh, BSO main or you're on --
13
14 HJ: Yeah.
15
16 KR: -- your SWAT?
17
18 HJ: Yeah, BSO main. I think it was 8-A or whatever the
19
20
21 KR: Okay.
22
23 HJ: -- the radio channel was that we were on. Excuse me.
24
25 KR: It's okay.
26
27 HJ: Um, so Dave and I were there and we're -- we're
28 kinda, you know, thinking we're getting ready to g~t
29 into this gunfight with, uh, with the guy, and, um,
30 nothing's happening. And then we can kinda hear the
31 Coral Springs radios in the background that is
32 somewhere -- I can't remember when it transpired,
33 but,it was, like, they weren't sure whether or not
34 they're watching the video in real time. I can't
35 remember when that was -- when that happened, but it
36 was right around that time. We pushed up to the
37 second floor. Um, Dave met up with the team that was
38 on the second floor. I basically held out on the
39 stairwell from there and, uh, he started working,
40 um, I guess they pretty much had secured the second
41 floor. And
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 HJ: -- I could hear them in the background saying, you
46 know, they, um, "All right. Do we wanna get the --
47 these people out of the classroom yet?" And he said,
48 "No, we, um, we don't know where the shooter is yet.
49 We'll just hold them in place. Everybody's okay."
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2 floor.
3
4 KR: Right.
5
6 HJ: So they had already gotten the victims out of there.
7 Everybody else was -- was good to go. Um, and then
8 while holding there, I remember a Coral Springs guy
9 coming up to me. He goes, "Hey," he goes, "Is
10 anybody on the third floor?" I said, "I'm not sure."
11 I said, "They're working from the west side or the
12 other stairwell. Check with them to see if they made
13 it up to the third floor." Um, about then, um, I saw
14 a laser. We use, um, IR, uh, visible and IR lasers
15
16
17 KR: Uh-huh.
18
19 HJ: -- when we're doing building tactics. So I saw the
20 laser pointing down and that's usually a -- a sign
21 for us that de-conflicts, saying that, you know --
22 (coughs), excuse me -- saying that, you know, Hey,
23 we have a guy up here, so we don't get, uh, a blue
24 on blue situation.
25
26 KR: Uh-huh.
27
28 HJ: We de-conflicted the laser. I basically turned the
29 corner and I saw, uh, Sergeant Garcia on the third
30 floor. Went up to the third floor and, uh, that's
31 where the -- it's the, uh, it's basically like a
32 apocalypse now.
33
34 RB: Yeah.
35
36 HJ: It was
37
38 KR: It was a mess?
39
40 HJ: Um, so as soon as I came up there the, uh, the one
41 teacher was laying in the hallway. Clearly, you
42 could tell he was -- he was seven, he was, you know,
43 laying on his back and his hands were up in the air.
44 Um, the, um, I could see that they were having
45 problems getting into the classroom. I had already
46 passed off my breaching tools so now I didn't have
47 my breaching tool. Um, that's one thing in hindsight
48 I wish I would have had more of those -- the glass
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2 breaching the doors, getting the doors open --
3
4 KR: Uh-huh.
5
6 HJ: -- checking people in the classroom, making sure
7 everybody was okay. Um, and then eventually we ended
8 up -- once we determined that the suspect was in
9 custody and the, uh, we started escorting people. We
10 set up a poridorm [phonetic] brought people out of
11 the -- the classrooms and stuff.
12
13 KR: Um, did you only have communication issues, uh, in
14 the in the, um, stairwell or was it once you went
15 inside it was starting --
16
17 HJ: Once I went -- once I hit that point, as soon as we
18 started having radio problems it went downhill from
19 there.
20
21 KR: Okay.
22
23 HJ: Um, eventually, uh, one of the team leaders came up
24 with -- I -- we used, um, it was, like, a TAC
25 channel. It was basically line of sight.
26
27 KR: Line of -- yeah.
28
29 HJ: So that's what we eventually went to. Um, and then
30 we -- that's what we used for communication the rest
31 of the time.
32
33 KR: All right.
34
35 HJ: I can't remember -- at one point, we -- we switched
36 over to that TAC channel, but --
37
38 KR: When you were en route or after you got there,
39 obviously before you got inside and couldn't hear
40 anything, do you remember them announcing that they
41 had done the patch with, uh, Coral Springs?
42
43 HJ: I
44
45 KR: I mean, if you don't, you don't. Don't --
46
47 HJ: I don't I don't remember, but I -- I -- it sounds
48 familiar that the -- it was done probably en route.
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1 KR: Okay. Do you remember hearing Coral Springs on your
2 channels?
3
4 HJ: Uh, yeah, the -- I thought it was because, uh, you
5 know, there's people, you know, call signs and stuff
6
7
8 KR: Right.
9
10 HJ: -- that I didn't recognize.
11
12 KR: That you didn't recognize?
13
14 HJ: So that's what I assumed was Coral Springs or -- or
15 other agencies.
16
17 KR: Okay.
18
19 HJ: So --
20
21 KR: Okay. Um, did you hear anybody -- I mean, other than
22 BSO having issues with their radios? Did you hear
23 Coral Springs, uh, having any issues? Were you near
24 any Coral Springs officers inside?
25
26 HJ: When we were on the second floor, I could, you know,
27 I can hear their radios going off. I never talked to
28 any --
29
30 KR: Okay.
31
32 HJ: -- Coral Springs guys to see if they had any --
33
34 KR: Okay.
35
36 HJ: -- radio issues. So I don't --
37
38 KR: That's fine.
39
40 HJ: I'm not 100 percent sure, but I know there -- when
41 our radios weren't working, their radio -- there was
42 radios that they had that were still working.
43
44 KR: Okay. Um, you know, uh, obviously you're -- you
45 you're a SWAT operator, uh, so these n~xt questions
46 are are being multiple times. Uh, does your agency
47 have, uh, uh, an active shooter policy?
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1 KR: Okay. How often do you train on that policy?
2
3 HJ: We train periodically, randomly, you know, with our
4 -- our SWAT training and stuff with the --
5 everything from, you know, our -- our hostage
6 rescues into the active shooter. You know? So it's
7 -- it's pretty fluid with -- as far as with their
8 SWAT training 'cause we train once a week every, you
9 know, every Wednesday is, uh, a SWAT training day.
10 So we'll go over, you know, responding to, you know,
11 hostage rescue, active shooter, you know, so on and
12 so forth, along with just regular building tactics.
13 Um, the last, uh, organized agency active shooter
14 training that we had, I believe, it was a in-service
15 training. I can't remember if it was last year or
16 the year before.
17
18 KR: Okay.
19
20 HJ: But we did it at, uh, the stockade, um, basically,
21 uh, our old jail that was
22
23 KR: Okay.
24
25 HJ: - closed down. So they -- they, uh, they did -- it
26 was an in-service -- part of our in-service
27 training. Um, I can't remember when that was.
28
29 KR: Are you a permanent SWAT -- are y'all 24/7 SWAT
30 or
31
32 HJ: We
33
34 KR: that's your only job, I guess?
35
36 HJ: Yeah, we have, um, we kinda break it up. We have,
37 uh, a SWAT fugitive element and then we have, uh,
38 uh, basically, uh, a viper and SWAT guys element,
39 and then we have other guys that are, you know, that
40 are used, uh, as a collateral duty also.
41
42 RB: Okay.
43
44 KR: All right. Um, how long have you been on the SWAT?
45
46 HJ: Uh, four years.
47
48 KR: Four years? Okay. Do you remember having active
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1 HJ: Uh, uh, with BSO I don't remember, but with the
2 state, we definitely had it. It's --
3
4 KR: Okay. Um, what is your agency's policy or training
5 say as far as you go 10-97 on the scene of an active
6 shooter?
7
8 HJ: Basically, it's -- from my understanding, it's once
9 you respond, you -- if there's enough people to form
10 a team, you form a team and you go in. If they -- if
11 you're there by yourself you -- you may go in. If
12 you're -- if you make that decision, it's, you know,
13 it's not --
14
15 KR: But you're not directed to go in?
16
17 HJ: Not that I
18
19 KR: Okay. Um, let me look at this real quick to make
20 sure. After you finished the 1200 building, were you
21 with the rest of the teams clearing the rest of the
22
23
24 HJ: Yeah.
25
26 KR: -- uh, campus?
27
28 HJ: I think it was, like, the 500 building or the 800
29 building or something.
30
31 KR: Uh-huh. When you came to the east side of the
32 building here, did you see Deputy Peterson or, um,
33 any of the CSPD officers over here in this corner?
34
35 HJ: I did not. I wasn't focused on --
36
37 KR: You were focused on the building?
38
39 HJ: Yeah. Yeah.
40
41 KR: Okay. All right. All right. In regards to this
42 investigation, is there anything that I either
43 failed to ask or anything that you'd like to add or
44 clarify in your statement today?
45
46 HJ: Uh, not at this time. No.
47
48 KR: All right. Have you been promised anything in
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4 during this interview been the truth to the best of
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7 HJ: Uh, yes, sir.
8
9 KR: All right. This interview is concluded at
10 approximately 3:54 p.m. on Tuesday, May the 15th,
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY ARTHUR PERRY, #EI-26-0079, 06/14/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 AP DEPUTY ARTHUR PERRY
9
10 KR: All right. Today's date is June the 14th, 2018. It's
11 approximately 9:30 a.m. I'm Inspector Keith Riddick
12 of the Office of Executive Investigations. Also,
13 present at this time is Inspector Randy Brown. The
14 location of this interview is the Parkland
15 Substation for the Broward County Sheriff's Office.
16 I will be questioning Broward Sheriff's Office
17 Deputy Art Perry as a witness in an official FDLE
18 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. I am the
19 inspector in charge of this investigation.
20
21 On February 25, 2018 Governor Rick Scott ordered
22 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
23 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
24 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
25 being given by you as part of the investigation into
26 the law enforcement response to the MSD school
27 shooting that occurred on February 14th, 2018. You
28 have been subpoenaed to appear today and are being
29 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
30 understand that?
31
32 AP : Yes, sir .
33
34 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
35 should be aware of the following, this interview is
36 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
37 I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
38 statements. In a moment I will be taking a sworn
39 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
40 you knowingly provide false statements you can be
41 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
42 each of these items I've just informed you of?
43
44 AP : Yes , sir .
45
46 KR: All right. Uh, please raise your right hand. Let the
47 record reflect Deputy Perry has raised his right
48 hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the
49 information you're about to give today is the truth,
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1 you God?
2
3 AP: Yes.
4
5 KR: Thank you, sir. Please state your full name, current
6 place of employment and how long you've been
7 employed here?
8
9 AP: Arthur Perry. Worked at Broward Sheriff's Office
10 since December 1995, I believe.
11
12 KR: Okay. Do you have any prior law enforcement before?
13
14 AP: No.
15
16 KR: No? Okay. All right. Uh, Deputy Perry, like I said,
17 before we got started, that this is in reference to
18 the, um -- the shooting that occurred at, uh, MSD on
19 February 14th, 2018. Were you working that day?
20
21 AP: Yes.
22
23 KR: Okay. Uh, what is your assignment? Are you, uh --
24
25 AP: At that time my assignment was a school resource
26 deputy at Park Trails Elementary.
27
28 KR: Okay. How far is that from MSD?
29
30 AP: It's about a mile.
31
32 KR: About a mile? Okay. All right. When did you first
33 learn that something was going on at Stoneman
34 Douglas?
35
36 AP: When I heard Deputy Peterson come across the radio,
37 um, something to the nature of, "We've got shots
38 fired. I got a shooter on the campus." Something to
39 that nature.
40
41 KR: Okay. Uh -- and what did you do then?
42
43 AP: Um, I was in the middle of dismissal.
44
45 KR: Uh-huh.
46
47 AP: I was standing by my car. I put my vest on. I was in
48 my trunk. I took my rifle out of my trunk. I grabbed
49 two magazines and I got in my car and, uh, I ran
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2 KR: Okay. And for the record, Code 3 is lights and
3 siren. Um, if you would -- when you got there, where
4 did you first park?
5
6 AP: Um, I came down Pine Island.
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 AP: Which runs north-south.
11
12 KR: Uh-huh.
13
14 AP: I made a right on Holmberg Road and I parked on
15 Holmberg Road just outside the gate to where you
16 enter the student parking lot.
17
18 KR: All right. Um, if you would, on this map that's
19 entitled, School Boundaries, if you would take a pen
20 and --
21
22 AP: Oops. I'm sorry.
23
24 KR: -- let's see. Okay. There's the Expressway. Right.
25 Pine Island. Yeah. And Holmberg.
26
27 AP: Okay. So, I parked right here in the left-hand turn
28 lane right there on, um, Holmberg Road, facing
29 westbound.
30
31 KR: All right. When you got on scene did you hear any
32 gunshots?
33
34 AP: When I got out of my car, I approached the gate --
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 AP: -- with Deputy Goolsby. As we were approaching the
39 gate I heard, like, three to five rounds go off.
40
41 KR: All right. Could you tell where they were coming
42 from?
43
44 AP: I -- I actually thought they were coming back from -
45 - from this area back here. They have an area back
46 here that was supposed to be a basketball court --
47
48 KR: Uh-huh.
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1 doesn't get used. I thought they were coming from
2 back into this area.
3
4 KR: Okay. Uh, we'll show -- this is a little closer up.
5 So --
6
7 AP: Okay. These basketball courts, I thought it was
8 coming back into this area right here.
9
10 KR: All right. So, you got up to the gate. What happened
11 then?
12
13 AP: Um, as Deputy Goolsby and I approached the gate,
14 okay, I could hear -- on the way there I heard Kratz
15 saying, "We got shots fired from the football
16 field."
17
18 KR: Uh-huh.
19
20 AP: Okay. We got up to the gate. The gate was locked.
21 And then I heard they had a subject shot over here.
22 Right about in this area, in the parking lot, there
23 was an off-duty Coral Springs police officer.
24
25 KR: Do you know him?
26
27 AP: I know him because his wife works at the school. He
28 used to be an SRD. He's now a sergeant there. And he
29 jumps up and he goes, "I'm, uh -- I'm an off-duty
30 cop. Don't shoot me. I got a kid injured here." So,
31 we had a kid injured here. And we had a kid injured
32 here.
33
34 KR: All right. Who is this officer?
35
36 AP: This officer?
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 AP: I can't
41
42 KR: The Coral Springs?
43
44 AP: -- he -- he -- I can't pronounce his name. He's a
45 sergeant. It's
46
47 KR: It wasn't Heinrich?
48
49 AP: Yes.
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2
3 AP: Yeah.
4
5 KR: All right.
6
7 AP: He -- he was off duty. That was him.
8
9 KR: Okay.
10
11 AP: I know him because his wife is the athletic director
12 at the school.
13
14 KR: Okay.
15
16 RB: Okay.
17
18 AP: So, um, the lock to the gate was on the inside.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 AP: So, Deputy Goolsby is pulling the lock through the
23 gate, trying to get it unlocked and I'm providing
24 cover. Okay? So, we eventually get this gate open
25 right here. All right. And we work our way up to
26 here. I took a position behind a car right here and
27 Deputy Goolsby worked up and took a position under
28 the overhang right here. When we got up here, that's
29 when we saw Aaron Feis dead on the concrete out
30 there.
31
32 KR: Okay. Let me give you a little closer view now. This
33 is the 1200 Building. So, mark, again, where you --
34 and this is the 1300.
35
36 AP: There's, uh -- there's an overhang right here.
37
38 KR: Right.
39
40 AP: Goolsby was right here.
41
42 KR: Uh-huh.
43
44 AP: Uh, Feis was right here. And I'm in the parking lot
45 over here
46
47 KR: Okay.
48
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1 KR: All right. Were you hearing any more gunshots?
2
3 AP: No.
4
5 KR: Okay.
6
7 AP: As soon as we got the gate open the -- the gunfire
8 stopped. So, we went to the area thinking that this
9 was gonna be here.
10
11 KR: Uh-huh.
12
13 AP: So, I'm covering -- I'm covering this area and
14 Goolsby was gonna work around and check out this
15 area.
16
17 KR: Okay.
18
19 AP: So, I'm covering down here and he's covering down
20 there.
21
22 KR: So -- and both of you are hearing -- or believing
23 that it's coming from the area of the track and, uh
24 -- and that area somewhere toward the --
25
26 AP: Yeah.
27
28 KR: -- the athletic field?
29
30 AP: And -- and it makes sense because we have a person
31 injured here.
32
33 KR: Uh-huh.
34
35 AP: A person injured here. We've got reports of people
36 running westbound here. Uh -- and we see Aaron right
37 here.
38
39 KR: Okay. All right. When did you realize it was the --
40 actually the 1200 Building that -- where everything
41 was -- has gone on?
42
43 AP: Um, I don't know if I ever did realize it was the
44 1200 Building.
45
46 KR: All right. What did you do after you -- you took up
47 position there?
48
49 AP: We -- we stayed there. Um, we were waiting for
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2
3 KR: Okay.
4
5 AP: We're hearing nothing. Um, eventually officers from
6 Coral Springs arrived and a group of officers ran in
7 this way, and I saw a group of officers approach the
8 building this way.
9
10 KR: Okay.
11
12 AP: Um, they both went into the building from this
13 direction and this direction.
14
15 KR: Did you ever, uh -- after, uh, Deputy Peterson's
16 initial, uh, radio traffic about the, uh -- the
17 shooting on the campus, did you hear any more
18 dispatch or any more conversation over the air?
19
20 AP: I heard bits and pieces of it, 'cause we were having
21 radio problems.
22
23 KR: Uh-huh.
24
25 AP: So, it -- it was -- it was very hectic, you know.
26 Needless to say, it was very hectic. So, I mean I
27 heard -- I heard Deputy Marchese saying, "Uh, I got
28 a guy stuck in the fence. We need bolt cutters to
29 get him out. We need an ambulance." Um, we' re --
30 this -- this building right here --
31
32 KR: Yeah. The 1200.
33
34 AP: -- I was -- I was calling it the 900 Building. Okay.
35 The reason being is 'cause I think when this
36 building was first built they called it the 900
37 Building.
38
39 KR: Okay.
40
41 AP: And I think they changed it --
42
43 KR: Yeah.
44
45 AP: -- 'cause of the freshman. So, I -- I've been a
46 school resource officer for 13 years before that was
47 built, so I'm calling it the 900 Building. So, there
48 was some confusion between me calling it the 900 and
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1 KR: Are you on the air calling it the 900 Building?
2
3 AP: Yeah. 'Cause I -- I -- I told them we were coming up
4 the 900 Building and the 1300 Building.
5
6 KR: Okay.
7
8 AP: And they're saying the 1200 Building. I'm like,
9 1200? To me that was the 900 Building.
10
11 KR: 900 Building? Okay.
12
13 AP: So, I -- I don't know if it was 900 Building at one
14 time. But, um, I thought it was the 900 Building.
15
16 KR: Okay. You just -- you knew it as the ninth-grade
17 building?
18
19 AP: Yeah.
20
21 KR: Okay. Um, did you ever hear Deputy Peterson say
22 anything about the -- the 1200 Building over the
23 air?
24
25 AP: I I may have responding, 'cause I know that's why
26 I went to this entrance.
27
2.8 KR: Okay.
29
30 AP: 'Cause he said, you know, the north side. The -- the
31 student entrance, you know. But it was kinda
32 confusing because, um, people were saying they heard
33 the shots here. We're hearing shots here. So, I
34 don't know. Do we have one shooter? Do we have two
35 shooters?
36
37 KR: Uh-huh.
38
39 AP: Is this guy moving? So, we really, .uh -- who knew at
40 that point
41
42 KR: Yes, sir. Sorry. Uh, did you ever -- I know you said
43 there were radio, uh, issues. Did you have issues
44 getting out as far as banking or anything like that?
45
46 AP: Yes.
47
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2 KR: Okay. Uh, were you ever able to hear -- 'cause I
3 understand they did a patch. Were you -- were you
4 ever able to hear Coral Springs over your radio?
5
6 AP: No.
7
8 KR: No? Okay. Were you, uh -- did you ever get any
9 information from any of the Coral Spring Officers
10 word of mouth, you know, face-to-face?
11
12 AP: No. In fact, when Coral Springs came through here,
13 one of their officers took up a spot, like, right
14 here next to me.
15
16 KR: Uh-huh.
17
18 AP: Okay. So, I was here. Another Coral Springs was
19 here. And we -- we really never communicated.
20
21 KR: Uh-huh.
22
23 AP: When they came up through, they never really
24 communicated to me.
25
26 KR: Okay. All right. Did you ever see Deputy Peterson
27 that day?
28
29 AP: No.
30
31 KR: No? Okay. Have you spoke to him since then?
32
33 AP: Yes.
34
35 KR: Okay. Have you discussed the incident since then?
36
37 AP: A little bit.
38
39 KR: Okay. Um, what does he have to say about, frankly,
40 why he didn't go in the 1200? Or did y'all even
41 discuss that?
42
43 AP: We never really discussed that.
44
45 KR: Okay. You -- what did you discuss about the
46 incident?
47
48 AP: Um, just -- just -- I don't know. I just -- I just
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1 KR: Okay. All right. Um, so you're -- you go 1097 here
2 at the student entrance?
3
4 AP: Yes.
5
6 KR: You're hearing Kratz and --
7
8 AP: Marchese.
9
10 KR: -- Marchese talk about it. Um, that -- and
11 everything indicates that it's happening somewhere
12 on the athletic field. So, y'all move to the 1300
13 Building?
14
15 AP: Well, I moved to there and Goolsby moved to there.
16
17 KR: Right.
18
19 AP: Right.
20
21 KR: You moved to the parking lot near the 1300 Building?
22
23 AP: Yes.
24
25 KR: And he moved to the, uh, east end of the 1300
26 Building, still covering back toward the west?
27
28 AP: Correct.
29
30 KR: Um -- and how long -- did y'all stay there the
31 entire time?
32
33 AP: Uh -- well, I ended up staying -- we both ended up
34 staying there because when Coral Springs came --
35 went in and -- and a couple of our guys went in with
36 them, we had no communication.
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 AP: But more importantly, we didn't know where the
41 shooter was. And they started bringing people out.
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 AP: So, I'm doing like an over-watch, because I don't
46 know if this guy is gonna pop up, 'cause they --
47 they started to evacuating, not only the injured,
48 but the students out, and they all came down and
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1 KR: Okay.
2
3 AP: -- towards Westglades.
4
5 KR: So, you're assisting with that evacuation?
6
7 AP: No. I'm just staying here watching.
8
9 KR: Oh. Okay.
10
11 AP: Uh, eventually I ended up assisting when, um -- when
12 the evacuation started Captain Jordan actually came
13 up next to me.
14
15 KR: Uh-huh .
16
17 AP: Her radio wasn't working. I gave her my radio. My
18 radio -- neither one of our radios were working. Um,
19 I stayed there until SWAT came. BSO SWAT came and
20 they set up.
21
22 KR: Right.
23
24 AP: And during that time, they learned that the shooter
25 was out of the building and he was headed westbound.
26 So, the sergeant from SWAT sent me down to here,
27 where all the students were gathered, to move them
28 up to the corner of -- over here on Pine Island and
29 Holmberg.
30
31 KR: Okay. Were you on 14 ops or your Main Channel, or do
32 you know?
33
34 AP: Our Main Channel.
35
36 KR: Your Main Channel?
37
38 AP: Yeah.
39
40 KR: Okay. Did you ever switch over?
41
42 AP: No.
43
44 KR: Okay. What is your Main Channel called? Is that 8?
45
46 AP: 8 Alpha.
47
48 KR: 8 Alpha? Okay. Um -- all right. Um, any questions?
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2 observations with you as -- as far as what he
3 observed that day?
4
5 AP: Um, I -- I guess, kinda what he -- he -- he was over
6 here and he was hearing gunshots. He couldn't figure
7 out where they came through. And then at some point,
8 a Coral Springs officer came up next to him and took
9 another spot over by him.
10
11 RB : Um - - okay.
12
13 AP: Okay. And between the two of them he -- he felt that
14 it was coming from the outside, but between the two
15 of them that's -- you know, that's where they were.
16
17 RB: Okay. So, did he -- he shared with you that he did -
18 - did he share with you where he -- he thought the -
19 the shots were coming from?
20
21 AP: I don't think he knew.
22
23 RB: Okay.
24
25 AP: I don't think -- yeah. I -- I don't think he -- I
26 don't think he knew.
27
28 KR: How long after the incident did you talk to him?
29
30 AP: Um, I -- I -- I talked to him -- how long after?
31 Probably, like two days after.
32
33 KR: Okay.
34
35 AP: But I -- but he's my friend, so I -- I talk to him
36 on a semi-regular basis.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 KR: Okay. Um -- anything else?
41
42 RB: No, sir.
43
44 KR: Other than Heinrich, did you know any of the -- and
45 Captain Jordan, do you remember the names of any of
46 the other BSO or CSPD, or any officers for that
47 matter? 'Cause I understand there were multiple
48 agencies there? Um, like the one -- the CSPD officer
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1 AP: I -- yeah. I didn't know who that was. I mean,
2 during -- when I first took this position and Coral
3 Springs came in --
4
5 KR: Uh-huh.
6
7 AP: -- Deputy Hanks came in with them. And then, uh,
8 Deputy Lope came in with another Coral Springs
9 officer and evacuated, uh -- um, the teacher from
10 here out to Holmberg and then they came over here
11 and got another person. They used, uh -- a golf
12 cart. I think it was Feis' golf cart that he was on
13
14
15 KR: Uh-huh.
16
17 AP: -- they took and evacuated one here and one there, I
18 believe.
19
20 KR: Okay. All right. Does your agency have an active
21 shooter policy?
22
23 AP: Yes.
24
25 KR: All right. How often do y'all train -- train on it?
26
27 AP: Um, we've been -- I've been to rescue task force. I
28 believe that was last year.
29
30 KR: Uh-huh.
31
32 AP: And then, uh -- I -- I can't remember the time after
33 that.
34
35 KR: All right. What does it say to do in the incident of
36 an active shooter?
37
38 AP: Um, if -- if the active shooter is ongoing, you have
39 to pursue and go after the subject. Once the shots
40 are fired, you -- you gotta stop, um, and try to
41 assess where he is, you know. I mean, once he
42 stopped firing the people are dying, but we don't
43 know where he is or where he is moving.
44
45 KR: Okay. You got?
46
47 RB: One more thing. Yeah. Um, as an SRO, uh, it is -- in
48 -- in the summertime and things like that, is there
49 additional training that, um, SRDs go to as a group
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2 ask is I -- I came from a sheriff's office --
3
4 AP: Yeah.
5
6 RB: -- so, I'm kind familiar with that process. And so -
7 - so, our guys would leave ~nd go to, like, an SRD
8 convention or something like that and and would
9 focus strictly on those things. Do -- do you guys
10 participate in anything like that --
11
12 AP: They --
13
14 RB: -- either during the year or in the summertime?
15
16 AP: WellJ during the summertime they do have an SRD
17 convention. Usually they send, like, one person out
18 in the district. But a week before school starts we
19 all get together a week before and, um, our command
20 staff puts together a week-long training what --
21 what the school board what they deem necessary. So,
22 every year it kinda changes -- changes.
23
24 RB: Uh-huh.
25
26 AP: So, a week before school starts they all -- we all
27 get together as a group and -- and we do whatever
28 they have assigned.
29
30 RB: In the -- in the past when you've had those kind of
31 trainings, are there ever any specific, um, active
32 shooter trainings that go on specifically for SRDs
33 incorporated into this week-long thing? Has there
34 ever been anything like that you recall?
35
36 AP: Well, I don't recall. But I looked through my
37 records on -- on our thing, and the last one we
38 actually -- I think, it was 2007 when we were at, I
39 think, Boyd Anderson High School where we did an
40 active -- we were at a high school. I think it was
41 Boyd Anderson. They used the Explorers and they set
42 up scenarios in the school and classrooms, and we
43 all went up and -- but other than that, um, I -- I
44 really can't recall of any other ones.
45
46 RB: So, the 2007 was the last time you recall
47
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3 my training, yes.
4
5 RB: Okay.
6
7 KR: Okay.
8
9 RB: Um, are there any other additional kinds of
10 trainings that would be pertinent to this kind of
11 situation that you guys participate in that's
12 specific to SRDs that maybe you guys get that not a
13 regular road deputy would get?
14
15 AP: No.
16
17 RB : No? 0 ka y.
18
19 KR: Code Red training, does the school board put that on
20 dr how -- you know 'cause it's -- it's a county-wide
21 policy, I understand. So, how's that done as far as
22 an SRO goes?
23
24 AP: Um, the school board puts it on. Um, someone from
25 they call it the school board police now. It used to
26 be special investigative unit will come up to the
27 school board. We get a date set up and they make a
28 decision either one year they will do, uh -- just
29 lock-down or the next year they'll do an evacuation.
30 They switch it back and forth. Okay. And so, every
31 year they decide what they wanna do and what they
32 wanna do during that.
33
34 KR: All right. Do the individual schools have the
35 training themselves or is that what you're talking
36 about?
37
38 AP: I don't understand your question?
39
40 KR: I mean, that training that -- they decide we're
41 gonna do one or the other. Is that every school does
42 it at the same time or they -- or how -- how does
43 that go?
44
45 AP: Well, we -- it goes by the -- the schedule of the,
46 uh, Broward school police. 'Cause he -- he comes to
47 that school. And normally they flip it. If one year
48 they do an evacuation, the next year they do a lock-
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2 KR: Okay. But at the same time your school does it,
3 doesn't mean that Westglades is doing it?
4
5 AP: No. No. No. No.
6
7 KR: Or SRD? Or --
8
9 AP: No.
10
11 KR: -- Stoneman Douglas?
12
13 AP: No.
14
15 KR: It depends on the school itself when they do it?
16
17 AP: Yeah. Because, uh -- the -- the school board police
18 officer is there, so he can't -- you know, he can't
19 be in two places at one time.
20
21 KR: Okay. Oh. So, there's only one person that does it?
22
23 AP: Well, they only -- not one person, but they only
24 have -- I don't know --
25
26 KR: Limited
27
28 AP: staff --
29
30 KR: staff?
31
32 AP: limited staff. Yes.
33
34 KR: Okay. All right. I understand. Anything else, sir?
35
36 RB : No, sir .
37
38 KR: Okay. In regards to this investigation, is there
39 anything I either failed to ask or anything you
40 would like to add or clarify in your statement
41 today?
42
43 AP: No, sir.
44
45 KR: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
46 providing this statement today?
47
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(INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY MICHAEL PIANELLI, #EI-26-0079,
05/16/18)
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4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 BB OEI MEMBER BRANDY BURNS
9 MP = DEPUTY MICHAEL PIANELLI
10
11
12 KR: All right. Today's date is May 16th, 2018. The time
13 is approximately 11:14 a.m. I'm Inspector Keith
14 Riddick for the Office of Executive Investigations.
15 Also, present is OEI member Brandy Burns. The
16 location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge Road,
17 Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning -- is
18 it deputy?
19
20 MP: Deputy.
21
22 KR: -- Deputy, uh, Mike Pianelli as witness in an
23 official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
24 I am the inspector in charge of this investigation.
25 On February 25, 2018 Governor Rick Scott ordered
26 FLDE to investigate the law enforcement response to
27 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
28 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
29 being given, by you, as part of that investigation
30 into that law enforcement response to the MSD school
31 shooting that occurred on February 14th, 2018. You
32 have been subpoenaed to appear today and are being
33 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
34 understand?
35
36 MP: Yes.
37
38 KR: All right. Thank you, sir. Prior to beginning this
39 interview, you should be aware of the following,
40 this interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
41 enforcement officer, I am empowered to administer
42 oaths and take statements. In a moment I'll be
43 taking a sworn statement from you. You'll be under
44 oath and if you knowingly provide false statements
45 you can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
46 understand each of the items I've just informed you
47 of?
48
49 MP: Yes.
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1 KR: All right. Please, raise your right hand. Let the
2 record reflect the deputy's raised his right hand.
3 Do you solemnly swear or affirm the information
4 you're about to give today is the truth, the whole
5 truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
6
7 MP: I do.
8
9 KR: All right. Thank you, sir. Please, state your full
10 name, current place of employment, and how long you
11 have been so employed?
12
13 MP: Michael Pianelli, Jr., Broward Sheriff's Office.
14 I've been employed there for 21-and-a-half years.
15
16 KR: All right. Do you have any prior law enforcement
17 experience?
18
19 MP: Military.
20
21 KR: Okay.
22
23 MP: Law enforcement.
24
25 KR: All right. Uh, Deputy, like I said before we got
26 started, I'm gonna take you straight to February the
27 14th, uh, 2018. When did you first -- when and how
28 did you first learn of the, uh -- the shooting going
29 on at, uh, Douglas High School?
30
31 MP: Um, I was actually in my office. I'm a supervisor of
32 Traffic unit in, uh, Tamarac, so I was debriefing my
33 guys. I get off at 3 p.m. So, my guys were all in
34 that day and we were, uh, debriefing about some
35 traffic issues. And we heard over the radio, um, a
36 shots-fired call come out, which, uh, initially the
37 information that we had gotten that said it sounded
38 like firecrackers, and there was, uh -- a lot of
39 confusion of what was going on.
40
41 KR: Uh - huh .
42
43 MP: Uh, once we realized that this is the real deal, we
44 quickly, um, regrouped. Our Lieutenant, uh, Feeley
45 came in our office and said, "Everybody goes." So, a
46 bunch of my guys jumped in a vehicle. They had, um,
47 their rifles and everything. I went and got my
48 rifle. Jumped in my vehicle, um, separately from my
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1 KR: Uh-huh.
2
3 MP: My guys arrived there probably a minute or two
4 before me. I arrived at Douglas I wanna say it was
5 around 2:30-ish when --
6
7 KR: Okay.
8
9 MP: -- when I left the office. And we are approximately
10 nine, 10 miles from Parkland.
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 MP: So, tuok a good 10 minutes to get up there. I didn't
15 get up there until probably around 2:40, around
16 there. Un, initially, um, parked underneath the
17 Sawgrass
18
19 KR: Uh-huh.
20
21 MP: -- up on top of the median, and -- as to leave a
22 clear, unobstructed roadway because of the issues
23 that we had at the airport shooting before about
24 vehicles, clogging, you know, the roadway.
25
26 KR: Yeah.
27
28 MP: Uh, as soon as I pulled up the first supervisor that
29 I was Lieutenant O'Neil and I asked him how I can
30 help him; what I need to do? He said, "Can you do me
31 a favor? Go up. Try and get this roadway clear." "No
32 problem." Uh, I went up to the staff entrance. I
33 believe it's the bus entrance.
34
35 KR: Uh-huh.
36
37 MP: South end of the school, southeast corner. Began to
38 start moving parents out because there were incoming
39 resources and it appeared that the entire
40 intersection of Holmberg and Pine Island was
41 completely shut down with EMS personnel.
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 MP: Um, I had moved a couple of motors that were already
46 there. It seemed like there was probably 60 or 70
47 guys already there --
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1 MP: -- by the time I got there.
2
3 KR: Okay.
4
5 MP: And, um, when I initially arrived, within a few
6 minutes, um, Chief Pustizzi from Coral Springs was,
7 uh, standing out there --
8
9 KR: Uh-huh.
10
11 MP: -- with me. And, um, after a few minutes, in which
12 they're clearing the roadway, trying to get people
13 out so we can have ingress and egress points. Um, it
14 was kind of difficult because people just kept
15 parking their cars everywhere, blocking the roadway.
16 And, um, I was trying to catch what was going on on
17 Coral Springs radio.
18
19 KR: Uh-huh.
20
21 MP: They're on a digital system and it seems like their
22 radios operated a little bit better than what ours.
23 Uh, I do remember hearing over the radio to hold
24 transmissions to a minimum because the system was
25 gonna crash, or something like that.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 MP: And, um, at one point I actually got on the radio
30 because Chief Pustizzi asked us if we were patched.
31 And I said, "Not to my knowledge." I didn't know if
32 we were able to patch our systems, being theirs is
33 digital. I heard on his radio that the suspect had
34 left the school and went to Westglades -- uh,
35 towards Westglades Middle --
36
37 KR: Uh-huh.
38
39 MP: -- with a bunch of other students. I got on the
40 radio, relayed it. I don't even know if it came over
41 the air or not. Um, my identifier is Motor 12. So, I
42 got on the air, relayed that I was with, um, the
43 Coral Springs Chief, per him, and I gave the BOLO
44 out, 'cause I didn't hear anything.
45
46 KR: Uh-huh.
47
48 MP: Very scratchy on the radio. Um, we had no idea who
49 was in what buildings. What actual the 1200 Building
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1 inside; who was outside. Very limited information.
2 And then to come to find out that the information we
3 were getting was 20 minutes delayed --
4
5 KR: Right.
6
7 MP: -- from the school. So, at that point, I stayed
8 there just trying to get vehicles moved in and out.
9 Um, trying to just keep the roadway clear --
10
11 KR: Uh-huh.
12
13 MP: -- 'cause we still had people coming, incoming
14 resources. Um, I was right where the command bus
15
16 KR: Okay.
17
18 MP: -- had come in for the, uh, Incident Command Center
19 for BSO and for, uh, Coral Springs. So, I was kind
20 of like the liaison there, um, with a couple of our
21 higher ups.
22
23 KR: Uh-huh.
24
25 MP: Uh, Captain Morris I know was there. And requested
26 numerous times I needed some guys to try and get
27 that roadway cleared out, 'cause I know they kept,
28 you know, bringing the injured out and whatever. So,
29 that was my main purpose when I was there.
30
31 KR: Uh-huh.
32
33 MP: I pretty much stayed at that point until, um, later
34 on when our regional traffic supervisors, Sergeant
35 Michael came, and we were rerouted to the Marriott -
36
37
38 KR: Right.
39
40 MP: -- because I believe the Governor and, um, Attorney
41 General was coming in.
42
43 KR: Okay.
44
45 MP: Pam Bondi. So, we were rerouted to escort, uh,
46 dignitaries in to, uh, the Marriott. So.
47
48 KR: All right. Uh, let's go back to, uh, you -- you
49 first heard it; you're responding. Do you remember
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1 given over the radio? Or what did you hear while
2 you're in route?
3
4 MP: When -- when I was in -- like, most of the stuff
5 that we're hearing, 'cause a lot of times we -- we
6 got -- you know, we don't take this serious in --
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 MP: -- in a sense, because a lot of it's, um, you know,
11 a hoax, or something like that.
12
13 KR: Right.
14
15 MP: And, um, you know, when it came over the air it just
16 didn't sound right. Something was off. And when it
17 came over the air, like I said, they said it sounded
18 like firecrackers. We knew it was the real deal when
19 I believe it was, uh, Deputy Kratz, um, who I've
20 known for years, he got on the radio and he was, I
21 believe, by the football field --
22
23 KR: Right.
24
25 MP: -- and he had said, 11 I have a kid shot. 11 Um -- and
26 at that point they didn't know if there was a
27 shooter, you know, to us, if it was on the field.
28 'Cause I'm sorta familiar with Douglas, but not the
29 actual buildings where they are. I know where the
30 field is.
31
32 KR: Right.
33
34 MP: So, we didn't know if there was a shooter on the
35 field. Uh, he was calling for, you know, like, bolt
36 cutters, I guess, to try and get this kid --
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 MP: -- out of the fence, and I think they had a coach
41 out there that was trying to help them.
42
43 KR: Yeah.
44
45 MP: That -- so, at that point we knew that was -- it --
46 it -- there was a shooting.
47
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1 what Deputy Peterson said, other than, you know
2 shots fired. You know, and that just kept ringing
3
4 KR: Uh-huh.
5
6 MP: -- that in my, you know, response that I'm preparing
7 to go into what is an active shooter and, um, you
8 know, I think most of the guys that went in there
9 went in with that mentality. 'Cause I even remember,
10 um, Lieutenant O'Neil, who works in North
11 Lauderdale, he was, I think, the only one that got
12 on the air and said, "Have the units prepare for an
13 active shooter response.
14
15 KR: Uh-huh.
16
17 MP: That was one of the few transmissions that I heard
18 and not everybody heard that transmission.
19
20 KR: Right.
21
22 MP: Because there -- it was spotty. It just depends
23 where you're at. Even on a regular day, um, you get
24 -- it just depends where you're at that you may hear
25 the radio. You may be in our own building and you
26 can't hear the radio, it just cuts out. So, um --
27 and that's always been an issue with --
28
29 KR: Okay.
30
31 MP: -- with those -- with the radios.
32
33 KR: So, then you throw 200 at one time trying to talk on
34 it?
35
36 MP: Yeah. It -- it just overloads. Even with the airport
37
38
39 KR: Uh-huh.
40
41 MP: -- um, I know guys were trying to key up there and
42 you just get dead air. It's a tone when you try to
43 key up the radio.
44
45 KR: Right.
46
47 MP: Uh, the same thing happened during that, 'cause we
48 had just so much radio traffic and everybody comes
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1 KR: Uh-huh.
2
3 MP: -- onto BSO's radio system. So, I don't know how
4 that affects it and how it overloads it. It's beyond
5 my paygrade. But I just know it doesn't work.
6
7 KR: All right. Um, so, you arrive. You -- no gunshots?
8 You don't hear by the time you get there --
9
10 MP: When I got there, people -- there were actually
11 officers from Coral Springs walking out. There were
12 so many people already there --
13
14 KR: Uh-huh.
15
16 MP: -- that guys were actually walking out of the, um --
17 the school grounds. Because it seemed like they were
18 loading up injured into the ambulances and, um --
19 you know, at that point we still didn't know where
20 the shooter was --
21
22 KR: Uh-huh.
23
24 MP: -- assuming that he had probably already fled. There
25 were no gunshots when I got there. And like I said,
26 this was post, uh, you know --
27
28 KR: Uh-huh.
29
30 MP: -- maybe 15 minutes after the shooting. So.
31
32 KR: Okay. If you would, this -- this is the -- an
33 overview of it. Of course, there's Stoneman Douglas.
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 KR: There's the, uh, Sawgrass. Uh, if you would, just
38 mark where you -- you first started --
39
40 MP: Okay.
41
42 KR: -- and then when you moved up to -- this is the bus
43 loop --
44
45 MP: Sure.
46
47 KR: -- probably where you're talking about.
48
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1 KR: Uh-huh.
2
3 MR: Parked underneath where the Sawgrass is and then I
4 ran. Uh, like I said, Lieutenant O'Neil was probably
5 a little bit south, you know, in -- in this area
6 over here.
7
8 KR : Yes , sir .
9
10 MR: I met with him. I went over -- and this is the
11 staff, bus lot.
12
13 KR: Right.
14
15 MR: So, I stationed myself right here and, uh, began to
16 move parents ?Ut that were parked all along Pine
17 Island. So, we routed them. Get them south.
18
19 KR: Uh-huh.
20
21 MR: And before I even, like, arriving there was a ton of
22 parents already under the overpass that we were
23 trying to get out of there, 'cause they just parked
24 in the roadway.
25
26 KR: Uh-huh.
27
28 MR: And we had no way to get resources in. But that --
29 that was the main you know, that area.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 MR: And then I stayed in that area probably for the rest
34 of the night until I was relieved.
35
36 KR: Okay. All right. Let me look at this real quick. So,
37 you -- you never did go near the 1200? We'll clarify
38 that one.
39
40 MR: No. Never went into the 1200.
41
42 KR: Okay. Um, I'm gonna switch, uh, focus here. Does
43 does your agency have an active shooter policy?
44
45 MR: I know that our shooter -- active shooter policy is
46 if there is an active shooter you -- you go in, and
47 we have trained for, um -- you know, even -- even
48 just talking round table between guys --
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2 MR: -- if we're the first one there and you're it, tag
3 you're it, you're going in. And, um, you know,
4 coming from the military background, I was in the
5 Marine Corps and, uh, you know the motto, we're the
6 first ones in. And I know I can speak for myself and
7 even the guys in my direct traffic unit, um, we are
8 the first ones -- we -- we would fight to go through
9 that door first. And that -- and that's how I've
10 always conducted myself and I know them personally,
11 my guys. I can't speak as to what other people.
12
13 KR: Right.
14
15 MR: In -- in the heat of battle, uh, we've had battle-
16 tested marines that had been in fire fights, dozens
17 of them, and at one point have frozen --
18
19 KR: Right.
20
21 MR: -- and haven't gone in, and there's no rhyme or
22 reason to it. And, um you know. But we, like I
23 said, our policy, um, as I know it stands, you go
24 in.
25
26 KR: Okay.
27
28 MR: Whether it's one or two or four, whatever you have
29 you go in.
30
31 KR: When's the last time you had active shooter
32 training, do you think?
33
34 MR: We had, I guess, pseudo active shooter training. I
35 believe it was two or three years ago, 'cause we
36 had, um, a rescue task force that was incorporated
37 with --
38
39 KR: Okay.
40
41 MR: -- uh, fire rescue, and an active shooter training
42 that, I believe, we did on West Park. Um, I try to
43 keep myself educated with a lot of the active
44 shooter stuff --
45
46 KR: Uh-huh.
47
48 MR: -- whether it's reading it on my own, reading
49 through other curriculums. Um, even at, uh, where my
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1 to put on an active shooter for the, uh, you know,
2 staff and everything there to go through in light of
3 what -- all the things that have happened pre-
4 Stoneman Douglas.
5
6 KR: Okay.
7
8 MR: But I try to keep on top of, uh, active shooter
9 training.
10
11 KR: All right. In regards to this investigation, is
12 there anything that I either failed to ask or
13 anything that you'd like to add or clarify in your
14 statement today?
15
16 MR: No. I think I pretty much covered everything.
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18 KR: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
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21 MR: No, sir, I have not.
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23 KR: Okay. Has the information that you've provided
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29 KR: All right. This interview is concluded at
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DANNY POLO, PART 1, #EI-26-0079, 6/25/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 JR INSPECTOR JASON RAVENEL
7 DP DEPUTY DANNY POLO
8 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
9
10 JR: Today is Monday, June 25th, 2018. The time is now
11 02:29 or 1429 hours. I am Inspector Jason Ravenel
12 of the Office of Executive Investigations for FDLE.
13 Also present in the room is Inspector Randy Brown,
14 also of FDLE and, uh, Broward Sheriff -- County
15 Deputy Polo. The location of this interview is at
16 the Broward Headquarters. I will be questioning
17 Deputy Polo as a witness in a official FDLE
18 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Inspector
19 Keith Riddick is the -- in charge of this
20 investigation.
21
22 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
23 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
24 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
25 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
26 being given by you as a part of -- as a part of the
27 investigation into law enforcement response to the
28 MSD School shooting that occurred on February 14th,
29 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today and
30 are being compelled to provide this statement. Do
31 you understand?
32
33 DP: I do.
34
35 JR: Prior to the beginning -- prior to beginning this
36 interview you should be aware of the following:
37 this interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
38 enforcement officer, I am empowered to administer
39 oaths and take statements. In a moment I will be
40 taking a sworn statement from you. You will be
41 under oath and if you knowingly provide false
42 statements, you can be criminally charged with
43 Perjury. Do you understand each of the items I have
44 informed you of?
45
46 DP: Yes.
47
48 JR: All right. Please raise your right hand for me. Do
49 you solemnly swear or affirm that the information
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1 and nothing but the truth so help you God?
2
3 DP: Yes, sir.
4
5 JR: Please state your full name for me.
6
7 DP: Danny Polo.
8
9 JR: Current place of employment.
10
11 DP: Broward Sheriff's Office.
12
13 JR: How long have you been there?
14
15 DP: Uh, a little over three years, I think.
16
17 JR: In what capacity?
18
19 DP: Uh, right now I'm assigned to, uh, Strategic
20 Investigations Division, uh, Organized Crime Unit.
21
22 JR: Okay.
23
24 RB: Um, so what is your title again? Is it --
25
26 JR: Detective.
27
28 RB: Detective. Okay. Detective Polo, um, how long have
29 you been in law enforcement?
30
31 JR: Uh, approximately five years.
32
33 RB: Okay. And you've been employed at BSO the whole
34 time?
35
36 JR: No.
37
38 RB: No? Where did you work prior?
39
40 DP: City of Hollywood P.O.
41
42 RB: Okay. Um, I wanna take you back to, uh, February
43 14th of this year. How did you first hear about the,
44 uh -- the shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School?
45
46 DP: Uh, we were in the office, uh, we had just finished
47 -- I forgot what we were doing but we had just
48 finished some kind of operation and, uh, got a phone
49 call from our sergeant telling us that, uh, there
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1 just gotten to the office. We were, like, gearing
2 down. Um, I didn't have my radio on me.
3
4 Um, so me and, uh, one of the guys in the unit that
5 was in the office with me, uh, Timothy Schaub,
6 jumped in his car and we started going to Stoneman
7 Douglas.
8
9 RB: Okay. Um, you said you were in the office, what --
10 which office is that? IB that a field
11
12 DP: Uh, Deerfield Beach District Office.
13
14 RB: Uh --
15
16 DP: I was with Deerfield Beach back then.
17
18 RB: Okay.
19
20 DP: With, uh, their Crime Suppression Team.
21
22 RB: Okay. Um, do you recall about how long it took you
23 to arrive on scene from the time that you left?
24
25 DP: I think it was about 10 minutes 'cause the GPS when
26 we took off said, I think, 15 minutes and I know,
27 um, based on what this was, we were going pretty
28 fast. So we got there in about 10 minutes.
29
30 RB: Okay.
31
32 DP: Probably faster.
33
34 JR: Oh, yeah.
35
36 RB: Understandable.
37
38 DP: It was fast.
39
40 RB: Um, do you recall if you received any additional
41 information while you were en route to --
42
43 DP: While responding, yeah. While responding, we -- we
44 were on the -- on the radio channel we heard, uh --
45 well, we knew it was a real, active shooter and not
46 just, like, a, you know, a possible active shooter
47 is when someone got over the radio and said that,
48 uh, they had a victim that had been shot and that's
49 when we knew it was, you know. But this -- that was
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1 got that informakion from Deerfield Headquarters,
2 which which is on, like, Dixie and Hillsborough.
3
4 RB: Okay.
5
6 RB: So it had been about seven minutes, probably.
7
8 RB: Did you, at any point, try to get on the radio and
9
10
11 RB: No. No, there's no need for us to get on the radio.
12 We weren't there.
13
14 RB: Okay. I got you. Um, so once you, um, arrived on
15 scene
16
17 DP : Uh- huh.
18
19 RB: -- um, and I'll refer you with these maps here --
20
21 DP: Uh-huh.
22
23 RB: -- 'cause -- and this is just for -- for us to refer
24 to kind of back when -- when we go and write all
25 this stuff up.
26
27 DP: Uh-huh.
28
29 RB: Um, and if you would refer to map 1, 2 or 3, um --
30
31 DP: Okay.
32
33 RB: -- as you -- as you're writing. Um, do you recall
34 where you parked when you arrived on scene? This is
35 Holmberg. This is building 12 here.
36
37 DP: Yeah.
38
39 RB: Um, and then building 12 here.
40
41 DP: So we initially -- we were coming off the Sawgrass,
42 so we got off -- what's this street here, Cutler?
43
44 RB: Um, I think so.
45
46 DP: Cutler Ridge?
47
48 JR: Um, Coral Ridge.
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2 JR: Coral Ridge --
3
4 DP: Something like that, yeah.
5
6 JR: Yeah.
7
8 DP: I'm not familiar with the area. I just remember it
9 was the -- the --
10
11 JR: Yeah. Coral Ridge Drive.
12
13 DP: Yeah. So we got off on Coral Ridge and then went
14 northbound and then we went eastbound on Holmberg,
15 um, and we saw, you know, a bunch of kids running
16 this way. So -- and there was, like, for some ways
17 there was, like, cops all over the place. Um, so,
18 we were trying to listen to the radio and figure out
19 what was going on and I know there was someone that
20 called a staging point on the Saw -- or south of the
21 school on the Sawgrass and there was, like, another
22 staging point called somewhere else and it was just
23 weird. So, me and my -- Schaub, 'cause we stopped
24 here for a second and we were, like, trying to
25 assess the situation and see what's going on and
26 we're like, All right. So the -- it -- it's still
27 an active shooter so then we took off and we parked,
28 uh, where's the entrance to the school?
29
30 RB: This is the better map right here, map 2. So here's
31 -- here's an entrance here and then there's an
32 entrance here and this is all --
33
34 DP: Yeah. We parked, like, somewhere around here.
35
36 RB: Okay.
37
38 DP: Actually, park -- yeah. This is the entrance, the
39 -- this
40
41 RB: Uh-huh. Yeah.
42
43 DP: Yeah. So we -- we were, like, right there.
44
45 RB: Okay.
46
47 DP: Um, so we got out of the car and then there was,
48 like, a SWAT guy that just -- had just run up this
49 way. Um, and then we all looked at each other and
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1 across and we looked for a fourth man, just, you
2 know, 'cause we've been taught to do, uh, the RTF,
3 the four-man rescue task force thing. So we looked
4 around and we kind of like -- it was -- it was
5 within seconds, kind of, you know, we saw another
6 SWAT guy running, called him over. We got together
7 and then we ran inside the school and then there was
8 a car parked here, there was two deputies there, one
9 -- later on, I found out one of them was a captain,
10 I guess. I don't know who the other deputy was but
11 we made contact with them right there.
12
13 RB: Do you know who
14
15 JR: -- (unintelligible).
16
17 RB: the captain was?
18
19 DP: It was a female. I -- I made contact with a female
20 and -- and a male and then later on, uh, they were
21 both behind that car. I -- uh, later on, uh, it was
22 found out that that person I made contact with was
23 the captain. Um, I don't remember her name. Jan --
24 Jan or Jen or something. I don't --
25
26 RB: Okay.
27
28 DP: -- whatever. Um, that was besides the point that I
29 didn't --
30
31 RB: Did they give you any information when you got it?
32
33 DP: Uh, what's this map?
34
35 RB: This is actually the breakdown, like, the individual
36 rooms within the school.
37
38 DP: Oh, okay. Okay. So this is the school. All right.
39 So they were parked, like, right here, um, the two
40 deputies
41
42 KR: Okay.
43
44 DP: and they were kind of like, you know, just kind
45 of taking cover there.
46
47 RB: Uh-huh.
48
49 DP: And, uh, we're like, All right. What's going on,
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1 she said, uh -- both of them were speaking. I don't
2 remember who said what, but they, uh -- one of them,
3 like, mentioned, uh, shots were last heard from that
4 building. I think Coral Springs had just entered as
5 we got there, like, as me and Schaub got there. We
6 were one -- we were the first BSO people there. Um,
7 so we're like -- and then she -- they mentioned this
8 building here. So they said like, Oh, the shooter
9 was last seen here. Uh, he's possibly in there.
10
11 Uh, so we're like, Okay. So supposedly the Coral
12 Springs was already in here, so then we bumped
13 across. That was probably, uh, 15-second brief and
14 then the four of us ran back over here and there
15 was, like, a column right there.
16
17 RB: And just for the record, I wanna -- I wanna notate
18 that when you said they were they were possibly
19 in there, you were referring to building 13 but that
20
21
22 DP: Yeah.
23
24 RB: Coral Springs had already --
25
26 DP: supposedly -- supposedly there was
27
28 RB: had already had a team in there.
29
30 DP: yeah. According to them, there was -- Coral
31 Springs had just entered 13.
32
33 RB: Okay.
34
35 DP: I don't know if that was true or not. I didn't go
36 into 13.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 DP: And supposedly Coral Springs had just entered 12 as
41 well.
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 DP: Unknown. They said, you know, the -- the
46 information was possibly building 12. There was
47 some -- that shots were last heard possibly in
48 building 12 and then it said supposedly he might be
49 in building 13. So they didn't know.
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1 RB: Okay.
2
3 DP: They were just kind of giving us what they heard, I
4 guess. So --
5
6 RB: Did you ever hear any shots while you were on scene?
7
8 DP: No.
9
10 RB: Okay.
11
12 DP: No. It had -- had probably just ended. So then I
13 guess there's a column right here, you know, we do
14 that whole bounding thing to get --
15
16 RB : Uh - huh .
17
18 DP: -- from place to place to not get shot so, we -- we
19 bounded from the car back up to this wall. There
20 was another deputy there I believe. I -- I would
21 need to see my bodycam, but I -- I'm pretty sure
22 there was another deputy behind that column. We're
23 like, All right. What's going on? There was a dead
24 body, uh, that coach was laying here.
25
26 RB: Coach Feis?
27
28 DP: Yeah.
29
30 RB: Yeah.
31
32 DP: He was laying there. Um, we could he -- he was
33 dead.
34
35 RB: Uh-huh.
36
37 DP: Um, and they said the same thing -- that guy said
38 the same things. Like, Oh, the -- shots were last
39 heard in there. So we're like, All right. Um, we
40 ran in here. All together that probably took, like,
41 45 seconds. It was just like --
42
43 RB: Barn, barn, barn.
44
45 DP: Run. What's going on? Run. What's going on? Run.
46 We go inside the school. So then we run -- went
47 inside the school. There was a bunch of us at this
48 point, like, people just kept showing up. So we
49 went inside the school, opened the door. As soon as
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1 just started clearing, so they were maybe, like, two
2 classrooms in. Um, if I recall correctly, they were
3 probably, like, down halfway --
4
5 RB: So you entered through the west side of the --
6
7 DP: Yeah.
8
9 RB: of building
10
11 DP: So they
12
13 RB: 1200 and then you saw Coral Springs headed ~-
14
15 DP: I think it was --
16
17 RB: (unintelligible)
18
19 DP: Coral Springs. I don't know if it was Coral
20 Springs. They were dressed in all black and I think
21 Coral Springs and, uh -- none of the BSO guys were
22 wearing all black. So, it was --
23
24 RB: Okay.
25
26 DP: -- it was a different jurisdiction. I assume it was
27 Coral Springs.
28
29 RB: Uh-huh.
30
31 DP: Um, we had just entered. We saw that they had
32 already been clearing the first floor. They didn't
33 need any more people clearing the first floor so me,
34 um, those two SWAT guys -- I think one of them is
35 Gonzo. I don't really remember their names. And
36 Schaub and a couple of other Coral Springs guys and
37 people from who knows what agencies. Some of them
38 weren't wearing, like, uh, patches that I
39 recognized.
40
41 We started clearing upstairs. So, we started going
42 upstairs. Got to the second floor then we started
43 getting -- as we were going up, we got information
44 that the -- they -- they were viewing the video,
45 right? So they, like -- they thought that it was
46 live.
47
48 RB: Uh-huh.
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1 calling it out, saying, Hey, he's on the third
2 floor. He's about to come down to the second floor.
3 He's coming down to the second floor on the west
4 stairwell, I think he said. And I was like --
5 everyone was like, Oh, shit. So --
6
7 RB: Uh-huh.
8
9 DP: -- you know, everyone's, like, pointing up, ready
10 for this guy to come down, nothing ever happens.
11 We're like, All right. So then we started moving
12 up, sent -- bodies went up to the third floor to
13 start clearing the third floor. We started clearing
14 the second floor. Um, went -- .we kind of -- there
15 was no more shots, so at that point, you know, do it
16 more methodical, um, and we didrr' t hear one shot
17 when we were there so, uh, and we knew it was over.
18 As soon -- I mean, as soon as we went inside, we
19 could still smell the smoke and stuff. We -- so we
20 knew it was fresh but
21
22 RB: Uh-huh.
23
24 DP: So we cleared a couple of the -- we started clearing
25 classrooms on the second floor and then someone said
26 -- called me and was like, Hey, Polo, we need more
27 people upstairs. So went upstairs.
28
29 RB: When you said "they called you, " did they call you
30 over the radio?
31
32 DP: No.
33
34 RB: Or did they --
35
36 DP: No, the radios were down.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 DP: I -- 'cause our
41
42 RB: That was what I
43
44 DP: -- radios were not working.
45
46 RB: Okay.
47
48 DP: Our BSO ones, uh --
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1 ever try to get on the radio?
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3 DP: Yeah. It didn't work.
4
5 RB: Did you have any ability to --
6
7 DP: No, it didn't work.
8
9 RB: Did it just bonk you? That's, uh, I think the --
10
11 DP: Yeah. I think --
12
13 RB: -- that's actually a technical term.
14
15 DP: Yeah. Bonked you. Yeah.
16
17 RB: Yeah.
18
19 DP: Yeah. No one's radios were working. I know some of
20 the SWAT guys were --
21
22 RB: Okay.
23
24 DP: -- on the phone with -- with their command. Um, so
25 one of them was like -- tapped me. He said, Polo,
26 we need you upstairs. Uh, we - we got some injured
27 kids or something. So, I don't know the exact
28 verbiage. You'd have to watch bodycam. I try not
29 to watch it. Um, so then we went upstairs and, uh
30 -- uh, there was a chick dead on the first - on
31 that third floor, right on the stairwell. Um, the
32 -- sorry.
33
34 RB : It ' s okay .
35
36 DP: There was a chick dead on the stairwell. They
37 opened the door and there was a kid right in the
38 hallway, dead, too. He had been shot, like, in the
39 elbow. It was destroyed and probably shot in the
40 head 'cause there was blood coming out of his face.
41 Uh, and then someone dragged out another kid,
42 Anthony -- I forgot his name. He was all over the
43 news. That one kid that got shot five times. Bore
44 [phonetic] -- Borgas [phonetic] -- Borges.
45 Something.
46
47 They dragged him out to me, right there in front of
48 the door. I got down, ripped off my tourniquet. I
49 saw that he was bleeding from this leg, so was blood
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1 strapped it. Um, at that same time, I saw he was
2 bleeding from this leg, so I was like, Shit. I was
3 like, I need another tourniquet. Need another
4 tourniquet.
5
6 As I -- as I was saying that, SWAT medics were
7 coming upstairs. Uh, I forgot her name. She's a
8 female SWAT medic. I think she's the only female
9 SWAT medic we have. She came upstairs. She put him
10 down. Another SWAT medic was next to her. Took
11 him, took another, um, tourniquet. She put that one
12 on. Um, we were all kind of, like, discussing, All
13 right. Roll him, roll him. Check this -- checked
14 his chest. They cut his pants and made sure that --
15
16 KR: Hmm.
17
18 DP: -- there was no more other wounds. Uh, we rolled
19 him. I heard the SWAT medic say the kid an
20 evisceration in his back. He started packing the
21 wound. Packed the wound, packed the wound. Someone
22 took out one of those, like, uh, I don't even know
23 what to call it. Something to evacuate a -- like a
24 injured kid. So, uh, we threw him on that black
25 thing. Uh, four of us grabbed him -- grabbed the
26 the evac thingy and started going downstairs.
27
28 Uh, we ran downstairs, ran downstairs, ran
29 downstairs, ran downstairs and exited out here, on
30 the east side of the building. Um, there was a golf
31 cart waiting for us. Threw him on the golf cart
32 with, I think -- I don't remember who got in the
33 cart with him. Threw him in the golf cart and, uh,
34 they zoomed off.
35
36 I went back in at that point. Uh, me, uh, Brendan
37 Hayes and some other SWAT medics. We started
38 clearing classrooms, double-checking classrooms,
39 'cause we knew -- at that point, we already knew the
40 kid was out of that -- that building. Um
41
42 RB: So, just to kind of back you up. At what point did
43 you learn that it was no longer an active shooter
44 situation at that --
45
46 DP: We -- we -- up until the last minute, we didn't know
47 it was still an active -- we didn't know if the kid
48 was still there. We didn't know, uh, it was over
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1 RB: Okay. So you --
2
3 DP: 'Cause they kept
4
5 RB: never -- so you never actually got or at least
6 heard, um, that the -- there was that 20-minute
7 delay or -- or whatever?
8
9 DP: They -- they told us there was a -- a 10-minute
10 delay. Uh -- uh, someone on the radio I think said,
11 Oh, the -- after that whole -- the whole, Oh, he's
12 coming downstairs and --
13
14 RB: Yeah.
15
16 DP: -- someone came over and said something about that
17 being a 20-minute delay or 10-minute delay. I don't
18 remember the time. And we're like, All right. But
19 that -- they didn't tell us that he had left yet.
20 They said, Oh, he's possibly out of the building
21 heading eastbound now. But we didn't know if he was
22 within the crowd or if he went into this classroom
23
24
25 RB: Okay.
26
27 DP: -- 'cause then at some point, they said, Oh, he was
28 last seen in 1305 or something like that. And we're
29 like, What the fuck? We're like, Now he's in this
30 building? We're like, All right.
31
32 RB: So -- so your information was that he was out of the
33 1200 building, but you just didn't know --
34
35 DP: We didn't know where --
36
37 RB: where he was. Okay.
38
39 DP: so we were still holding
40
41 RB: Okay.
42
43 DP: -- on this place. Everyone had different
44 information. All the radios were different. Our
45 radio was telling us one thing. We could hear our
46 radios but we couldn't key up. Coral Springs had
47 different information. Uh, every single unit, every
48 agency that was there, was dispatching different
49 info so we were kind of like, listening to each
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2
3 RB: Yeah.
4
5 DP: Um, but, yeah.
6
7 RB: Was -- was the Coral Springs guy -- did you -- did
8 you have any interaction with Coral Springs while
9 you were there?
10
11 DP: It was -- there was, like, 60 of us in there. So I
12 don't know how many of those guys were Coral
13 Springs. I'm sure -- I know Coral Springs was in
14 there with us but there was guys probably there from
15 -- I saw Fort Lauderdale guys eventually. I saw
16 Margate guys eventually. I saw people from every
17 unit. So it was --
18
19 RB: So the information was just kind of free flowing via
20 word of mouth --
21
22 DP: Well, from, uh --
23
24 RB: from the different agencies.
25
26 DP: from, uh, the -- from their Dispatches. So we
27 can hear their Dispatchers talking.
28
29 RB: Okay.
30
31 DP: So, like if -- I heard their Dispatcher say, Oh,
32 this is here or this is there. Then we knew, like,
33 okay. And then our Dispatch would say the -- you
34 know, they -- we -- everyone was getting fed
35 different pieces of information so we were all
36 hearing different things.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 DP: So we were kind of piecing it all together and then
41 at -- you know, uh, as we're clearing the -- the
42 classrooms, making -- you know, just re-checking all
43 the kids. Um, it was like, me and a SWAT medic and
44 some other guy would clear a classroom. All right.
45 Go check the kid and dead, dead, dead, dead. And we
46 just kept checking dead kids and then, um, at some
47 point pretty much the whole building had to be
48 cleared.
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2 DP: We were kind of holding down, waiting, waiting,
3 waiting. Um, 'cause we heard, at -- at some point,
4 I don't remember when, we -- we had active intel
5 that he did leave, um, where there had been contact
6 with his parents or something like that was coming
7 over the radio. They said he was at the McDonald's.
8 All that information was coming over and we're like,
9 All right. So it doesn't sound like he's here any
10 more and we haven't heard any shots. The building's
11 clear. This building has already been -- being --
12 being cleared and, uh -- uh, we were holding pretty
13 much everywhere 'cause we didn't know at that point
14 what was going on or where this kid was.
15
16 RB: Uh-huh.
17
18 DP: Um, and then they said, uh, you know, he was in
19 custody, um, over there by McDonald's, I guess, or
20 Walmart or something. He had gotten a Slurpee. So
21 he got taken into custody and, uh -- and then we
22 still held on the school 'cause then someone -- some
23 radio -- I don't know if it was ours or someone's
24 radio -- they said that there was a possible bomb at
25 the school. I don't know where that information
26 came from but we heard that and we're like, All
27 right.
28
29 So kept holding on that and then eventually, it, you
30 know, now we knew the kid's gone. There's no second
31 shooter. The kid had said, It was just me. I did
32 this or whatever. That's what we were told, I
33 think. Um, and, uh, the SWAT guys at that point,
34 they do what they do and they just -- they created
35 little teams and like, All right. You guys can go.
36 Um, and they did all their secondary and third
37 searches of everything, I guess. I wasn't there for
38 that. I left.
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40 Um, after all that was said and done, I just, like,
41 kind of walked out to, like, here. Just waited for
42 a little bit to see if they were gonna need any more
43 help but we -- the kid was in custody and we knew
44 that. He was being transported to the hospital.
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46 Um, so then I, uh, walked way out east or west
47 'cause there was no way to move your car. Schaub
48 had already moved his car 'cause he need -- for some
49 -- I don't know why. Um, and, uh, got in the car
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2 they said, Hey, we need you at the hospital to do
3 transport for the suspect. All right, cool. So
4 went to the hospital. Had to sit on him for, like,
5 a couple minutes and then from there to the PSB,
6 from the PSB to the jail and that was, like, a 22-
7 hour day.
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9 RB: PSB is what?
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11 DP: Here. Uh, the Public Safety Building.
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13 RB: Okay. Just for the recording.
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15 DP: Yeah, yeah.
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17 RB: Um, all right. So, um, while you were on the scene
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20 DP: Yes.
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22 RB: -- did you ever have any interaction with, uh, Scot
23 Peterson?
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25 DP: I -- I don't know. I -- I made contact with three
26 deputies prior to -- to entering the building. The
27 two that were behind this car --
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29 RB: Uh-huh.
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31 DP: And the one behind this column. I don't know who
32 this guy is and I don't know who one of those two
33 was but I know one of them was the captain.
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35 RB: Okay.
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37 DP: Based on what we were told I guess. You know, some
38 people watched the -- the bodycam footage, like,
39 their own bodycam footage. It was like, Oh, yeah,
40 that was Jan whatever. Um, but I don't know who
41 that -- that guy behind this column was. I'm not
42 even sure if I'm remembering that correctly but I'm
43 pretty sure I made contact with somebody. I just
44 don't wanna watch the bodycam again.
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46 Um, and then, yeah. That's -- that's all I remember.
47 I made contact with three people prior to entering
48 the building 'cause I remember that third guy told
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1 He's dead. But, like, All right. _And, uh, that,s
2 when we pushed in, you know. We couldn't see
3 anything from where we were outside so there was
4 already people inside. So we didn't know what we
5 were about to encounter. As we opened the doors, we
6 saw the cops and we were like, Okay, good. First
7 floor's taken care of. We can start moving up.
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9 RB: Okay. Um, now I wanna switch gears for a second.
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11 DP: Yeah.
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13 RB: Um, does your agency have an active shooter policy?
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15 DP: Uh, it does.
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17 RB: Uh, does the agency train in active shooter
18 response?
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20 DP: Uh, as yeah. There -- there -- there has been
21 active shooter training.
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23 RB: Do you know how often?
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25 DP: I know with specialized units, you get it more
26 often. Um, as a -- as an agency, like, the agency
27 in-service trainings, I don't -- I don't think I've
28 had one since 20 -- I c9uld -- I mean, if I looked
29 online, I could tell you when the last active
30 shooter training I had was, but I -- I -- I'd be
31 lying if I told you right now a date. I know it's
32 been a while.
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34 RB: So you don't recall the last time you actually
35 participated in active shooter training.
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37 DP: Probably 2016 -- probably.
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39 RB: Okay. Um, what -- when when you --
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41 DP: Don't hold me to that.
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43 RB: -- uh uh, that's fine. An estimation is, um --
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45 DP: Don't do that.
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47 RB: When, um -- what -- what is the, uh -- when you took
48 that training, what -- what did that training
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1 DP: Uh, that whole rescue task force thing. I think
2 uh, I think they do it's, like, a two-part training.
3 I -- I know they did active shooter training at one
4 point, but the thing is, I was -- I was in QRF which
5 is the Quick Response -- I forgot, uh -- Quick
6 Response Force maybe. It's like field force. And I
7 know they did active shooter training a lot so I'm
8 forgetting whether I did it with them or whether I
9 did it with, like, in-service training where
10 everyone does it.
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12 RB: That's fine.
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14 DP: So I know I did it with QRF and -- and when -- when
15 we did that, it's basically, you know, the hot zone,
16 the cold zone, the warm zone, all those zones and
17 you know, you get there, basically, go inside.
18 Start -- you know, you hear shots, it's a person
19 dying. So start -- start going inside, start
20 moving, start taking -- start taking, uh -- start
21 taking action. Um --
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23 RB: Does that matter if you're by yourself or with a
24 team or is that --
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26 DP: It, um --
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28 RB: is that the general instruction of if -- if --
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30 DP: it's the general instruction.
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32 RB: you're the first guy there, take off, go in.
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34 DP: I would, um, but I don't know about anyone else and
35 I don't know if policy actually states that you have
36 to enter. I -- I -- I know I would -- uh, for me,
37 it wouldn't matter if policy said to do it or not,
38 uh, I would do it. Um, I did it here and I was --
39 uh, as I was driving, I was like, Fuck, man. I was
40 like, I don't wanna be here. I really don't wanna
41 be here. I don't wanna go in there. I don't wanna
42 -- I don't wanna be in this situation. I just had a
43 baby so it was the -- probably the worst day of my
44 life but I went in there.
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46 KR: Um, anything else?
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4 DP: Apologize for the vulgar -- the vulgarness.
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6 KR: That's all right.
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8 JR: You're fine, man.
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10 KR: It's -- you're fine, man. Have you been promised
11 anything in exchange for providing this statement
12 today?
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14 DP: No. I wish. Just kidding.
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16 KR: Has has the information that you provided during
17 this interview been the truth to the best of your
18 knowledge or recollection?
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20 DP: Yeah, to the best of my knowledge.
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22 KR: Uh, this interview is concluded at approximately
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6 JR INSPECTOR JASON RAVENEL
7 DP DEPUTY DANNY POLO
8 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
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10 RB: The time is approximately 3 p.m. Um, this is going
11 to be an amendment to the statement, uh, provided
12 by, um, Deputy Polo or Detective Polo. Um,
13 Detective Polo, we .were discussing as you were --
14 you were labeling your map here that there was some
15 information and -- and you provided it during the
16 first, um, interview, that you had heard, um,
17 someone come over the radio and begin to set up a,
18 um, a, uh --
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20 DP: Yeah. Like I said the first time --
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22 RB: a staging area.
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24 DP: when -- when I was -- when we were arriving, we
25 were coming westbound on the Sawgrass, we heard
26 it was me and Schaub in the car -- we heard someone
27 say, Staging point is south -- south of the school
28 on -- on -- or it's by the Sawgrass. I don't know
29 the area but I knew we were on the Sawgrass. I was
30 like, Why would -- you know, so I heard, "Stage at
31 the Sawgrass. South of the school on the Sawgrass."
32 Then we heard someone else say -- I remember now, I
33 think, stage at the football field. I remember
34 someone saying that, I believe.
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36 And then when we arrived, there was people staging
37 -- were staging. I don't even know if they were --
38 I -- I have no idea what they were doing. There --
39 there was people everywhere. There were the cops,
40 there was cops, like, on Coral Ridge or Coral --
41 whatever it's called, that street.
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43 RB: Uh-huh.
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45 DP: Uh, Coral Ridge, there was cops on the corner of
46 Coral Ridge and Holmberg. There was cops all up
47 all up Holmberg. There was cops east of, uh -- east
48 of 104th Lane. Like, there was red -- red and blue
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3 impression that it was an active shooter situation.
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5 DP: Right. We -- we had not been -- we hadn't -- they
6 had -- the information was it was an active shooter.
7 We were still getting live info that there was
8 injured people, there was dead people, um, people --
9 or injured people. We had -- we have, you know, I
10 -- I think the verbiage was "I have the injured --
11 the injured subject," or an, uh -- uh, "the subject
12 that got shot." So it made it seem like there was
13 only one, but, still, um, that -- that was all -- we
14 were getting that as we were approaching. So that's
15 why when we approached, we stopped that first time,
16 pretty much where, like, a bunch of different
17 agencies had already stopped. And, like, there was
18 people from all sorts of agencies, 'cause different
19 uniforms.
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21 And we were like, What the heck are we doing in this
22 spot? And that's when we, like, you know, got in
23 the car and booked it to the front of the school and
24 entered through the -- through the main entrance
25 where, I -- I guess the shooter went in through. Uh
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28 RB: Do you recall who that was who that gave that, um --
29 that command?
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31 DP: No. It was different people I think.
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33 RB: Okay.
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35 DP: And at some point, some, uh -- as we were
36 approaching, that's when we also heard the whole
37 someone got on the radio and said, uh, "Stay 500
38 feet away from the school. There's an active
39 shooter," or something like that. "Stay 500 feet
40 away from the schooJ.." Um, which, the same thing, I
41 was like, Why? You know, that doesn't' make any
42 sense. I'm -- you know, let's - what -- what are
43 we doing? Let's move in. Um --
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45 RB: So you -- you heard this and you still made the
46 decision, um, we're -- we're going in?
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48 DP: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, uh, there was no -- it's not
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2 shooter, stop him.
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4 So, stage -- we heard "stage," and I'm like, I'm not
5 staging. We didn't even discuss it. We, like -- we
6 trained together, me and Schaub and the rest of our
7 unit, so, uh, it wasn't like a, Hey, should we go
8 stage? Like, no. We're just like, Hey, where are
9 we going? All right. The school entrance is this
10 way.
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12 We didn't know the area so we -- obviously, we're --
13 I'm GPS-ing while he's driving. And, uh, I'm like,
14 All right. You make a right here, make a left here,
15 whatever. So, finally we get to Holmberg and, uh,
16 Coral Ridge and -- and Holmberg and I was I like,
17 All right. Make a right here, make a right here.
18 We see a bunch of kids coming out and we keep going
19 and that's when we saw a bunch of cops and then
20 that's where, like, the influx of parents was coming
21 from.
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23 So we had just finished going around this roundabout
24 and, uh, got out for a second to assess the
25 situation and that's when I made contact with one of
26 the parents that was approaching. He -- I guess his
27 -- supposedly he has family that worked for BSO or
28 something and he -- his daughter was inside the
29 building so -- or his son, someone, or I made
30 contact. That was on bodycam. And I kind of had to
31 calm him down. I was like, "No. You gotta go away,
32 you gotta go away. You can't go in there."
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34 Um, so then as soon as I was done with that
35 conversation and Schaub looked at me and was like,
36 "Bro, we gotta go." And I was like, "Yeah, let's
37 go, let's go, iet's go." So we got back in the car
38 and drove, like, another five seconds this way.
39 It's not that big of a road and it's pretty -- it
40 was pretty clear --
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42 JR: Uh-huh.
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44 DP: you know. We were able to get through it so we
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47 JR: And that roundabout is right past Walmart, correct?
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3 DP: Yeah.
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5 JR: the other school is right here, the middle school
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8 DP: Yeah.
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10 JR: -- sits right there and -- okay.
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12 DP: Yep. Yeah, 'cause I remember going around the
13 roundabout and thinking -- I was like, Holy shit.
14 This kid could be anywhere 'cause there were so many
15 -- like, if the kid had left --
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17 RB: Uh-huh.
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19 DP: -- uh, you know, if the active shooter was over and
20 the kid had left, he was gonna be in this crowd.
21 And that's when we were like -- he's driving and I'm
22 looking. We're looking everywhere for this kid.
23 You know, they gave us the description, JROTC shirt.
24 And we're like, there's gonna be a million kids with
25 JROTC shirts, at least a couple of hundred, right?
26 'Cause usually, most of these schools have pretty
27 big JROTC. So, looking this way, not that I know
28 of. I don't know if we passed him or not. Could
29 have. It's very possible, uh, but, you know, at
30 th~t point, the shooting was over. We just didn't
31 know that.
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33 So we -- we parked here and that's where we made
34 contact with that parent. I -- I don't know what
35 Schaub was doing. Urn, he probably made contact with
36 another deputy. There was, like -- there was, like,
37 a deputy here and telling us to, like, stop, I think
38 'cause we were in an unmarked car and, uh, finally
39 we got back inside. Got in the car and moved over
40 here. All in all, I don't know how long that took.
41 Uh, I'd have to watch my bodycarn but, I mean, from
42 -- from the time we got to Holmberg to the time we
43 got inside the school, I wanna say it was, like, two
44 minutes at most, maybe a minute.
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46 RB: Okay.
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48 DP: It was quick because we, I mean, obviously, with
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3 first time, and you were -- you were walking us
4 through and labeling your maps, you said that what
5 you heard, um, somebody say, uh, to stage in this
6 area or whatever --
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8 DP: Uh-huh.
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10 RB: -- that you heard a lieutenant, um, that was from, I
11 guess, your former office --
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13 DP: Yeah. He was --
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15 RB: -- come on the radio. What -- if you would, just
16 for the record, tell me what you --
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18 DP: The lieutenant got on the radio and he said, um --
19 he said disregard, or -- or 22 that. I -- I don't
20 remember the exact verb -- he basically told us to
21 disregard those orders to stage because it's an
22 active shooter. Follow active shooter protocol.
23 Which, even if you don't know active shooter
24 protocol, or like the exact policy --
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26 RB: Uh-huh.
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28 DP: -- that you would think, you know, you have
29 there's there's an active shooter, go to the
30 school and stop the active shooter.
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32 RB: Uh-huh.
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34 DP: That's -- that's -- that's as plain as you can put
35 it and that's as plain as they always teach it in --
36 in ~- whether you do, you know, in-service training
37 or the RTF, the Rescue Task Force training that they
38 taught the whole agency, all, um, and the Rescue
39 Task Force was that same, like, 2016 year, I think.
40 It was -- I was still on the road. Uh, that was
41 before I went to Crime Suppression Team. That was
42 before I even went to Tactical Deployment Team. I
43 went to Tactical Deployment Team, 2016, February or
44 March and I went to CST, February 2017 and then now,
45 SID 2018. So, yeah. It was prior to me getting on
46 TDT, the Tactical Deployment Team. So, like, the
47 earliest, or the -- the closest we could have had
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1 RB: Okay. Do you recall who that lieutenant was?
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3 DP: O'Neil [phonetic].
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5 RB: Okay.
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7 DP: Lieutenant O'Neil. He's the -- he's the only one
8 that I -- that I remember him calling out, like, No.
9 Go inside that school. And I mean, that's what we
10 did. I mean, at least the four guys that we were
11 with and then we -- we ended up meeting up with
12 another Deerfield guy in there, Van de Reems
13 [phonetic], uh, his kid was inside and he was on the
14 third floor so he was trying to feed us active intel
15 'cause the -- the -- I remember him saying -- this
16 just came to me now -- I remember when we were going
17 up the stairs, going to the 2nct floor, uh, Van de
18 Reems was like, Hey, my kid's upstairs. My kid's on
19 the third floor. I'm on the phone with him. Um, he
20 says the shooter just left. So, with that
21 information and the information that they gave us
22 from the video, we really thought the shooter was
23 still in there --
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25 RB: Uh-huh.
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27 DP: -- at that point. We were like, Oh, shit. He's
28 here. Um --
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30 RB: When he says "he just left"
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32 DP: Yeah. Like, we don't
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34 RB: -- what did he mean by -- what --
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36 DP: I don't know.
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38 RB: like
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40 DP: We don't know the timeframe.
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42 RB: Okay.
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44 DP: You know? It's just --
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46 RB: So you thought that he was still in the immediate
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5 RB: So on campus somewhere.
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9 RB: Or in the building?
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11 JR: In the --
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13 DP: we -- we assumed in the building --
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15 RB: Okay.
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17 DP: -- with us.
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19 RB: Okay.
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21 DP: And that's when we -- we heard him saying, Oh, he's
22 -- you know, we're reviewing the, uh, the video.
23 Uh, he's coming downstairs. We were like, Oh, shit.
24 He's here.
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26 RB: Oh, and when he said "just left," you mean as in,
27 like, he's in a stairwell or something like that.
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29 DP: Yeah. So we thought he was, like --
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31 RB: Okay.
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33 DP: -- coming right at us at that moment.
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35 RB: I got you. Okay.
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37 DP: They thought -- he wasn't coming. It was -- later
38 on, a couple of minutes later, we found out about
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41 RB: Okay.
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43 DP: Really? Totally?
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45 RB: Cool.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF YAUSEL POMPA)
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6 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
7 LN SAS LUIS NEGRETE
·8 yp YAUSEL POMPA
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10 RB: The date is May 16, 2018. The time is approximately
11 2:41 p.m. I am Inspector Randy Brown of the Office
12 of Executive Investigations. Also present at this
13 time is SAS Luis Negrete. The location of this
14 interview is 2300 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach,
15 Florida. I will be questioning. If you would,
16 state your name.
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18 YP: Uh, first name Yausel. Last name Pompa, P-0-M-P-A.
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20 RB: As a witness in an official FDLE Investigation Case
21 Number EI-26-0079, Inspector Keith Riddick is the
22 inspector in charge of this investigation. On
23 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
24 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
25 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would like
26 to clarify that this is a witness statement being
27 given by you as part of the investigation into the
28 law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
29 Douglas School shooting that occurred on February
30 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
31 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
32 Do you understand that?
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34 YP: I do.
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36 RB: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
37 aware of the following. This interview is being
38 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
39 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
40 In a moment, I will be taking the. sworn statement
41 from you. You will be under oath and, if you
42 knowingly provide false statements, you can be
43 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
44 each of the items I have just informed you of?
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46 YP: I do. I do .
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48 RB: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
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3 YP: I do.
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5 RB: Thank you. If you would, again, please state your
6 full name and current place of employment.
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8 YP: Uh, first name is Yausel. Last name is Pompa. I
9 work for BSO, uh, Fugitive Unit.
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11 RB: Okay. How long have you, uh, been employed there?
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13 YP: I've been employed with BSO for about 12 years now.
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15 RB: And, you said your current assignment is on the
16 Fugitive Unit?
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18 YP: Yes.
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20 RB: Um, how long have you been in law enforcement as a
21 whole?
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23 YP: Uh, 12 years.
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25 RB: Um, I want to take you back to February 14 of this
26 year. Um, how did you initially hear about the
27 active shooter at, uh, Stoneman Douglas High School?
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29 YP: Uh, I was conducting a, uh, a drive by for a search
30 warrant that I was scheduled -- that we had
31 scheduled to do in -- in the City of Pompano. Uh, I
32 had just sat down. I -- we had pulled up, and we
33 were about to sit down to get some food. And, uh,
34 the text came out. It was, uh, through -- through
35 my phone. Uh, a massive text was sent out that
36 there was an active shooter in Parkland. And,
37 that's when I responded there.
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39 RB: Okay. Um, so you respond -- responded immediately
40 when you got the text?
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42 YP: Uh, pretty much. As soon as I got the text, we --
43 it was me and another guy, we went. We went cold
44 over there.
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46 RB: Okay.
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4 uh, I want to say, maybe, ten minutes away. Ten to
5 15 minutes away, depending on traffic.
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7 RB: Okay.
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9 YP: So, it was -- was right around ten, ten to 15
10 minutes.
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12 RB: Okay. Um, are you also on the SWAT team?
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14 YP: Yes.
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16 RB: You are?
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18 YP: Yes, I'm on -- I'm on the SWAT team.
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20 RB: Okay. Okay. Um, once you arrived at the school,
21 um, do you recall where you parked?
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23 YP: Uh, somewhere in -- in, uh, Holm -- Holmberg Road.
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25 LN: If you don't mind, kind of, marking where
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27 YP: Yeah, uh, this is the 1200 Building?
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29 LN: Yeah, it is.
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31 YP: I would say somewhere around here.
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33 LN: Okay.
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35 RB: While you were en route, do you recall if you either
36 by, uh, by phone or via radio, received any
37 additional information, uh, um, as far as details go
38 about the shooting? Where it was occurring on
39 campus, anything like that?
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41 YP: Uh, so, as I was driving over there, I tried -- get
42 on the radio, we were having a little bit of issues.
43 I -- for whatever reason, I -- I wasn't able to hear
44 a lot of it, plus sirens, and you're just trying to
45 get there.
46
47 RB: Sure.
48
49 YP: Uh, so, I -- I didn't hear a lot. Uh, anything that
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1 And then, once I got there, I got united with the
2 guys over there and then that's when I heard about
3 the whole thing on how it was going down.
4
5 RB: Okay.
6
7 YP: So, going there, I really didn't hear much.
8
9 RB: So, when you parked your car, um, did you observe
10 any other law enforcement personnel there, or make
11 any contact with them prior to advancing to the --
12 to the building?
13
14 YP: Yeah. This -- this -- the -- the whole road was
15 full of, uh, law enforcement. And, I guess, I want
16 to say, hundreds of vehicles there.
17
18 LN: Uh-huh.
19
20 YP: Uh, the -- the -- the way I got here is 'cause I
21 actually had to get on this side right here and,
22 kind of, make my way past cars to --
23
24 LN: Uh-huh.
25
26 YP: -- because, you know, in an incident like that,
27 everybody goes there. And, I was trying to get
28 there to respond and I couldn't. So, I had to, kind
29 of, uh, go over the median and try to get there
30 close, as close as possible. So, yeah, it was --
31 there was hundreds of vehicles there.
32
33 RB: Okay. Did you make, um, contact with anybody once
34 you got there?
35
36 YP: Once I got there, uh, there was a group of, uh, you
37 know, I -- I saw some of -- some of the guys that --
38 that some -- I know there was a couple SWAT members.
39
40 RB: Uh-huh.
41
42 YP: I had pretty much stopped the vehicle, got out of
43 the car. Luckily I had -- I was able to throw my
44 my -- my, uh, vest on how -- while I was getting
45 there, put everything on, and I just went back there
46 and grabbed tools because I -- I, uh, I do breach
47 work, so
48
49 RB: Uh-huh.
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1 YP: I grabbed all the tools and I -- I started running,
2 uh, towards the group of guys and then, from there -
3 - there was a BearCat that got there. Uh, maybe a
4 little forward, I want to say around here.
5
6 RB: Uh-huh.
7
8 YP: And, from there, we all got in the truck and made
9 our way into the school grounds.
10
11 LN: Do you remember who else was in the BearCat with
12 you?
13
14 YP: Uh, I'm gonna say a bunch of SWAT -- SWAT guys.
15
16 LN: Okay. All right.
17
18 YP: So, it's just all SWAT in there.
19
20 LN: All right. Let me take you back a little bit. When
21 you first arrived, did you have any interaction with
22 anybody to, kind of, let you know what happened?
23
24 YP: No, because, we -- we we -- I -- I came with
25 somebody else, so, he
26
27 LN: Who was that?
28
29 YP: He -- uh, Lopez.
30
31 LN: Okay.
32
33 YP: So, we, pretty much, got here together. I ran back.
34 I could see as -- as I'm getting out. I could see
35 where my guys were at. So, I knew where I needed to
36 do.
37
38 LN: Okay.
39
40 YP: I needed to get my -- my tools.
41
42 LN: Uh-huh.
43
44 YP: Get my gear ready to go and just run over there.
45 And then -- I didn't need to talk to anybody. I
46 just needed to get to where they at so I could get -
47 - so I could do my job.
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49 LN: Awesome.
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1 YP: So, that's pretty much, you know, I didn't stop and
2 ask or anything. I just went straight to where they
3 were at. Got my tools, got my kit. And, once we
4 got -- once I got there, it was -- it was very
5 fluid.
6
7 LN: Uh-huh.
8
9 YP: So, we were, like, all right, you know? It's like,
10 hey, go, go, go. We got in the truck and we made
11 our way into the -- into the front of the school to
12 -- to -- to inside here somewhere.
13
14 RB: Did, um, from the time you arrived on scene, did you
15 ever hear any gunshots?
16
17 YP: None. No gunshots.
18
19 RB: Um, once you made it to the 1200 Building, um, what
20 did you observe there? And, by that, I mean was
21 there a lot of law enforcement, or no law
22 enforcement? Inside the building, what -- what was
23 the scene there?
24
25 LN: What side did you arrive to here?
26
27 YP: So, so --
28
29 LN: Of Building 12?
30
31 YP: We came through here. So, I came on the west side.
32
33 LN: Okay.
34
35 YP: Uh, where -- this is (unintelligible), and, yeah.
36
37 LN: Uh-huh.
38
39 YP: So, I so~ we came through the -- throu~h the
40 front gate, or the main entrance, I would say.
41
42 LN: Uh-huh.
43
44 YP: Uh, and, uh, we came to the west side of the
45 building.
46
47 LN: Okay.
48
49 YP: Um, and, we -- we, kind of, stopped here at some
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1 There was -- so, I was not the first guy. We were
2 not -- I was not the first guy to get there. There
3 was other SWAT guys that got there prior to us
4 getting there.
5
6 LN: Okay.
7
8 YP: Uh, at some point, as we get in the truck and we
9 made it here, one of our SWAT guys was already
10 inside. And, he communicated to us, not by radio,
11 because the radio were -- we were having issues. We
12 had to switch on our radio channel. And, he
13 communicated to us that -- so, right when we get in
14 here, we -- I hear over the radio that the suspect
15 was on the second floor. That's when we heard that
16 was still up there. He was on the second flood.
17 And, we kind of, expedited a little bit. Obviously,
18 to try to -- to -- to try to get to him.
19
20 LN: To
21
22 YP: And --
23
24 LN: Just to clarify, being that the recording can't see,
25 so, when you get with the BearCat to the west side
26 of the building is when you hear of that?
27
28 YP: Right. So we -- we get there. We -- we -- we get
29 to the -- to the west side of the building with the
30 -- we dismount from the BearCat.
31
32 LN: Uh-huh.
33
34 YP: We are starting to make our push towards the
35 building and then we hear, uh, suspect is on the
36 second floor, between second and third floor.
37
38 LN: Okay.
39
40 YP: Um, you know, blah, blah, blah. I can't even
41 remember the details. I -- I -- remember --
42
43 LN: Uh-huh.
44
45 YP: -- when that -- that was said. And then, that's
46 when we made our movement and we made -- we went
47 straight to the, uh, to the 1200 Building. And,
48 once I made entry, we made entrance to the first
49 floor, on the west side, and there was a multitude
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1 Springs, every -- every surrounding agency.
2
3 LN: Uh-huh.
4
5 YP: 'Cause this -- this area is in the northern part of
6 Broward County. So, Coral Springs, Creek, and those
7 agencies are super close so they got there fairly
8 quickly. And, uh, they were already on the first
9 floor. Definitely, all -- all of them were on the
10 first floor. There was a couple guys here to my
11 right and -- and, just, kind of, hanging out. Uh, I
12 didn't see too much of the first floor because I was
13 there ready to -- to go to the third floor.
14
15 LN: Okay.
16
17 YP: So, that's -- that was it.
18
19 LN: Walk us through that.
20
21 YP: So, we make, uh, we make entry into -- to 1200, uh,
22 1200 Building. I would -- I would say I was on the
23 first floor for, uh, I can't tell you, maybe five
24 minutes? Maybe less. Kind of, assessing those that
25 we --
26
27 LN: Uh-huh.
28
29 YP: Our whole team was in there, so we, kind of -- there
30 were, the people that were inside were, kind of,
31 they didn't know what was going, kind of -- I don't
32 want to say they didn't know what was going on, but
33 they were kind of stagnant and --
34
35 LN: Okay.
36
37 YP: -- not being -- they didn't have any direction. So,
38 uh, we assigned a team to go on the first floor, a
39 team to go to the second floor. And, I was on the
40 team that was going to the third floor. And, uh,
41 once that was determined, which it took a couple --
42 a couple minutes, I would say.
43
44 LN: Uh-huh.
45
46 YP: We made our -- I made my way into the third floor,
47 so
48
49 LN: Okay.
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1 RB: Once you made your way to the third floor, um, and
2 you -- you entered the hallway through the
3 stairwell?
4
5 YP: Uh-huh.
6
7 RB: Um, was there already law enforcement personnel on
8 that floor, or were you the first team on that
9 floor?
10
11 YP: Uh, I -- I'm not sure. I don't think -- I don't
12 think there was -- I know there was a Coral Springs,
l3 uh, female officer on the third floor when -- but, I
14 -- I'm not sure if she was already there, or if she
15 trailed us up there.
16
17 RB: Okay.
18
19 YP: Uh, I'm not sure. I -- I know that there was --
20 there was two, uh, I want to say maybe a Coral
21 Springs guy in the -- on the hallways somewhere.
22 And, uh, I -- I want to say that we were, pretty
23 much, the first one to open that -- the third floor.
24
25 RB: Okay.
26
27 YP: So --
28
29 RB: What did you see once you entered the third floor?
30
31 YP: There was a lot of smoke, uh, and -- and -- I guess
32 it was a report that the guy might've thrown some
33 gas. I'm thinking it was -- there was a lot of
34 smoke so you couldn't really see that well. But, I
35 guess we figured out that it was from the rounds.
36 Um, first thing I saw was, uh, I saw -- as I made my
37 way to the third floor, I saw the suspect's, uh,
38 rifle -- what appeared to be his rifle on the -- on
39 the staircase of the third floor. Uh, there was a
40 victim to my left, and we -- right there and then,
41 we decided to make our plan how. we were going to
42 approach it.
43
44 RB: Okay.
45
46 YP: So, that's, you know, there was victims in the
47 hallway.
48
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1 still in the building?
2
3 YP: Well, uh, prior to going to the third floor, I think
4 it was already, uh, uh, we -- I was approached, I
5 want to say a Creek, a Coconut Creek officer, or
6 somebody had said that the suspect was seen running
7 somewhere through the field. So, we already knew.
8
9 RB: Okay.
10
11 YP: That he was not up there. At ~ at least, I knew.
12
13 RB: Okay.
14
15 YP: I -- I don't know about the other guys. But, I knew
16 'cause -- that we -- when I was in the first floor,
17 we, kind of, talked a little bit. What do you see?
18 What's going on? And, there was victims there that
19 were -- uh, we had guys evacuating, and stuff like
20 that. And, their radios were working. Our radios
21 were completely, I mean, so I could hear some of the
22 transmissions on their radio.
23
24 LN: Uh-huh.
25
26 YP: And -- and, I overheard that there were, uh, uh, you
27 know, that the -- the guys was not in the building
28 anymore, that he was -- that he -- he had ran out.
29
30 RB: Okay.
31
32 YP: They had a description. And, all of this I knew
33 before, uh, I got into the third floor.
34
35 RB: Okay.
36
37 LN: When you saw are -- the -- the malfunctions on the
38 radio, can you, kind of, elaborate on that a little
39 bit?
40
41 YP: Uh, we -- the -- they weren't working. I don't know
42 if, you know, sometimes --.
43
44 LN: You couldn't relay information?
45
46 YP: Uh, sometimes you could hear information.
47
48 LN: Uh-huh.
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2 LN: Okay.
3
4 YP: And, we had, uh, an issue like that before where we
5 -- we switched radio channels. We -- once we got in
6 there, we able to fix it for us --
7
8 LN: Uh-huh.
9
10 YP: for the team. But, urn, you know, like, I guess
11 it crashed, I don't know --
12
13 LN: Okay.
14
15 YP: -- what the -- what the deal was.
16
17 LN: So, you couldn't key up to relay anything?
18
19 YP: Honestly, I didn't try.
20
21 LN: Okay.
22
23 YP: Because I, you know, I -- I don't know. I couldn't
24 tell you.
25
26 LN: All right.
27
28 YP: I didn't try. I didn't have to. I just, you know,
29 we just did what we had to do. So --
30
31 RB: Okay. And so, from that point, I mean, I'm just
32 going back, reviewing your point. Once you made
33 entry into the third floor, you just proceeded to
34 to clear, urn, classrooms on that floor?
35
36 YP: Right.
37
38 RB: And then move down systematically to the second and
39 first floor?
40
41 YP: Right, so -- so, yeah. Pretty much. I, uh, I'd
42 breach all the doors on the third floor.
43
44 RB: Okay.
45
46 YP: I was -- that's my job. So, uh, we had a, uh, uh,
47 uh, a way we were going to do it. We, uh, came to -
48 - I came to doors and I just started breaching,
49 trying to evacuate as much as we can. And, urn,
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1 once we got to the end, uh, somebody, we -- there
2 had to come back around because there was some doors
3 that were still, uh, closed up, and we needed to
4 open everything, make sure everybody was okay. So,
5 that, one -- one, once I was done, made my way to
6 the second floor. Um, there was not much going on,
7 on the second floor. Made my way to the first
8 floor.
9
10 Uh, and by that time, everything was -- all the
11 doors were breached. A couple of doors were not
12 breached. I -- I helped breach those doors. And
13 then, I made my way to -- to -- we went to another
14 building. I don't know if it was -- what building
15 it was. It was to the left. So, we came out here
16 and, I guess, it was, like, a building, maybe this
17 Building 7?
18
19 RB: Uh-huh.
20
21 YP: And, we started breaching these doors here in
22 building, 5 and 7. And, we started breaching these
23 buildings here. And, evacuating all -- all over
24 here.
25
26 RB: Okay.
27
28 YP: Once this was done, we moved and made our way over
29 here.
30
31 RB: Okay. Um, where were -- assisting in breaching and
32 clearing those buildings, was that your last
33 assignment while you were on the scene, before you
34 went to debrief, or, um --
35
36 YP: Yes.
37
38 RB: Okay. Um, while you were on scene, did you have any
39 contact at all with Deputy Scott Peterson?
40
41 YP: No.
42
43 RB: Okay. Um, I kind of want to switch gears a little
44 bit and, um, your answers may be a little bit
45 different, just due to your assignment, as well as,
46 uh, your membership on the SWAT team. Um, and, if
47 you have.or knowledge of how this would apply to a -
48 - a regular deputy, um, then, um, you could, kind
49 of, answer it in a two-parts, you know, we train
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2
3 YP: Oh, okay.
4
5 RB: -- whatever the case may be. Um, but, does your
6 agency have a -- an active shooter policy?
7
8 YP: Yes.
9
10 RB: Um, does your agency train in active shooter
11 response?
12
13 YP: Yes.
14
15 LN: And, when you say yes, you mean you as in SWAT, or
16 are you aware of, uh, regular in-service training?
17
18 YP: Regular in-service training.
19
20 LN: For all deputies?
21
22 YP: For all deputies, yes.
23
24 LN: Okay.
25
26 YP: They do have, uh, active shooter.
27
28 RB: Do you know how often -- I know you guys train a lot
29 more frequently. But, um, I guess you could answer
30 that in the two-parts. How often do you train in
31 active shooter, and do you know how often training
32 comes around for just, you know, maybe a regular
33 road deputy?
34
35 YP: Well, we -- we also attend, uh, regular, what you
36 would call in-service, which is for everybody.
37
38 LN: Uh-huh.
39
40 RB: Uh- huh ..
41
42 YP: It doesn't matter if you're in the SWAT team or not,
43 which would apply to a regular deputy.
44
45 RB: Uh-huh.
46
47 YP: And, uh, uh, I want to say maybe two years ago, a
48 year-and-a-half ago.
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2 YP: Was when we had the last, uh, the -- the last time.
3 I can remember active shooter training for regular
4 deputies was, maybe, about a year-and-a-half ago,
5 somewhere around there.
6
7 RB: Okay.
8
9 YP: Uh, we had that at the stockade, I remember, because
10 I, kind of, helped out a little bit.
11
12 RB: Okay.
13
14 YP: And, uh, for SWAT, we -- we touch on, all the time,
15 we do a lot of hostage rescue, which, it's not the
16 same but it's very similar to it. And, uh, um, you
17 know, we, every so often, I can't tell you exactly
18 if, you know, like every couple months or so. But,
19 uh, um, very significant. All the time we train.
20 Active shooter, active killer, hostage rescue. Uh,
21 stuff like that, so.
22
23 RB: Do you recall when the last time you participated
24 in, um, some kind of active shooter, uh --
25
26 YP: Training?
27
28 RB: -- relating training was?
29
30 YP: The last time I did this was in, uh, not too long
31 ago after the incident. We, uh, me and another -- a
32 couple of SWAT guys, we trained some of the road
33 guys on active shooter in Cooper City. I want to
34 say, uh, the -- the end of March, maybe the
35 beginning of April.
36
37 RB: Do you recall the last time before that, um,
38
39 YP: In the SWAT team?
40
41 RB: or before the shooting took place? Either or,
42 SWAT --
43
44 YP: Uh
45
46 RB: or, or, um, in-service?
47
48 YP: Um, maybe a year ago.
49
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1 um, instruct you to do when you respond to an active
2 shooter situation?
3
4 YP: If, uh, active shooter, go and find the person and
5 neutralize the threat.
6
7 RB: Does it dictate, um, a different response, depending
8 on if you were by yourself versus if you have your
9 team? Or, um, -- a -- a number of deputies, whether
10 it be two, three, four, or so on?
11
12 YP: Um, well, a couple years ago, it was said that you -
13 - it -- it became a diamond formation a couple,
14 maybe, after Columbine. And then, it change -- it
15 has changed throughout.
16
17 RB: Uh-huh.
18
19 LN: Uh-huh.
20
21 YP: I want to say, the last ten years. So, at one
22 point, it was said that you needed -- you could wait
23 for at least one person before you made entry. Uh, I
24 was under the impression and -- and, this is, uh,
25 uh, what I've been taught was that you go in. So,
26 it doesn't matter if you're by yourself or not. Uh,
27 you -- you make entry. And, uh, that's -- that's
28 pretty much what, uh, what would've been the --
29 that's what -- that's what BSO has been teaching.
30
31 RB: Is that, um, is that training that has been
32 prevalent through your SWAT-oriented training or is
33 that something that was taught when you were doing
34 your in-service training?
35
36 YP: I want to say that was said when I was, uh, in in-
37 service training. Uh, a lot -- a lot of it is, uh,
38 subjective 'cause the, you know, at some point we
39 were told you have to make a judgment call. Are you
40 gonna stay outside when something is happening? You
41 know, it was, kind of, subjective like -- you could
42 go -- you should go in by yourself, but you could
43 wait for somebody.
44
45 RB: Mmm.
46
47 YP: So, it -- it -- it, you know, but, we were told you
48 need to go in. Um, so, in SWAT we know we go in.
49 There's just no, I mean, for us, there's no -- there
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2
3 RB: So just to, kind of, make sure I'm following. So,
4 your recollection of when you had active shooter
5 training that was the -- the in-service training,
6 was, kind of, subjective, is, like, well assess the
7 situation. If you think you can go in, go in. If
8 not, wait for somebody and, kind of, just, sort of,
9 wing it in a way. I mean, just, kind of, assess the
10 situation and just do what you can?
11
12 YP: In-service training. Uh, that was -- that was -- I
13 remember that being said.
14
15 RB: Okay.
16
17 YP: And then, I remember saying, at some point, it
18 changed to if you're there on scene and you're the
19 guy in there on scene, you need to make entry. So,
20 it's -- it's --
21
22 RB: Did that change in in the SWAT based?
23
24 YP: No, no. That -- that
25
26 RB: Or was that
27
28 YP: So -- so, I want to say, uh, maybe five years ago,
29 uh, you would -- if you responded to an active
30 shooter, you waited for at least one more person.
31
32 RB: Right.
33
34 YP: Then, it changed to, maybe two-and-a-half years ago,
35 to if you respond to an active shooter -- because
36 they were making that transition towards, like,
37 Sandy Hook happened.
38
39 LN: Uh-huh.
40
41 YP: So, it's being -- you know, we understand now that
42 one person could make a difference.
43
44 RB : Uh-huh.
45
46 YP: So, that was a transition --
47
48 RB: Okay.
49
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2 like for you to make entry.
3
4 LN: Yeah.
5
6 YP: But, it wasn't, you have to --
7
8 RB: Okay.
9
10 YP: -- type of thing. And then, the last time I went to
11 in-service training, I'm pretty sure they said you
12 have to go in. But, there was still a lot of
13 suggested, you know, like, it depends on the
14 instructor sometimes.
15
16 RB: Uh-huh.
17
18 LN: Uh-huh.
19
20 YP: I don't know how to explain it.
21
22 LN: Okay.
23
24 YP: Uh, I -- I understood you have to go in.
25
26 RB: Okay.
27
28 YP: And, that's the way we train in SWAT always.
29
30 RB: Okay.
31
32 YP: But -- but, yeah, there's been, throughout the, you
33 know, I want to say, the last five years, after
34 Sandy Hook, it's been, like, one, two guys and then
35 you could go now, one guy, but you could wait and
36 then it was, to like, okay, one guy, you need to go
37 in because that -- that guy could save a lot of
38 lives. So, that's the way I remember it. That's
39 the way I remember it, you know, so that's all.
40
41 RB: Okay. Anything else, sir?
42
43 LN: Nope.
44
45 RB: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
46 that either I've failed to ask or anything you would
47 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
48
49 YP: No.
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1 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
2 providing this statement today?
3
4 YP: No.
5
6 RB: Has the information that you provided during this
7 interview been the truth, to the best of your
8 knowledge or recollection?
9
10 YP: Yes.
11
12 RB: This interview is concluded at 3:05 p.m.
13
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1 (INTERVIEW OF ROBERT RAUSCH, EI-26-0079, 08/28/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 JR INSPECTOR JASON RAVENEL
7 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
8 RR BROWARD DEPUTY SHERIFF ROBERT RAUSCH
9 MF ATTORNEY MIKE FINESILVER
10
11 JR: The date is August 28th, 2018. The time is 10:56
12 a.mr I'm Inspector Jason Ravenel of the Office of
13 Executive Investigations for FDLE. Also present at
14 this time is Troy Cope of FDLE, Inspector, as well,
15 Broward Deputy Robert Rausch and his attorney --
16
17 MF: Mike Finesil ver.
18
19 JR: -- Mike Finesilver. This interview is -- the
20 location of this interview is taking place at the
21 Broward Sheriff's Office. I will be questioning
22 Deputy Rausch as a witness in the official FDLE
23 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Keith Riddick
24 is the lead inspector in charge of this
25 investigation.
26
27 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
28 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
29 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
30 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
31 being given by you as part of the investigation into
32 the law enforcement response to the MSD school
33 shooting that occurred on February 14th, 2018. You
34 have been subpoenaed to appear today and are being
35 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
36 understand?
37
38 RR: Yes.
39
40 JR: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
41 aware of the following. This interview is being
42 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer I am
43 empowered "to administer oath and take statements.
44 In a moment I will be taking a sworn statement from
45 you. You will be under oath and if knowingly
46 provide false statements, you can be criminally
47 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
48 items I have just informed you of?
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2 JR: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
3 or affirm that the information you're about to give
4 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
5 truth, so help you God?
6
7 RR: I do.
8
9 JR: Can you please state your full name for me?
10
11 RR: Robert Rausch.
12
13 JR: And your current place of employment?
14
15 RR: Broward County Sheriff's Office.
16
17 JR: How long have you been with Broward County?
18
19 RR: Since September, 2009.
20
21 JR: In which capacity?
22
23 RR: I began as a Communications Operator for
24 approximately two years. Then became a deputy
25 sheriff. I was assigned to road patrol in Tamarac,
26 uh, and for about the last year and three months
27 I've been assigned downtown in the Special Victims
28 Unit.
29
30 JR: Okay. Is there any other law enforcement experience
31 you had prior to Broward County?
32
33 RR: No.
34
35 JR: Okay.
36
37 TC: On February 14th, uh, 2018, were you working in your
38 official capacity?
39
40 RR: Yes.
41
42 TC: Okay. And what we want you to do is kinda walk us
43 through how you became involved and the actions you
44 took on that date at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High
45 School. First off, I just wanna address, um, what
46 was your radio call sign that day?
47
48 RR: I have multiple call signs just from my different,
49 uh, capabilities. As, uh, SWAT, um, it's GULF-84.
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2
3 RR: Um, for my detective call sign it's KIL0-363.
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 RR: And then if I were to just off duty, my CCM, which
8 is 16089.
9
10 TC: Okay. And then on that date do you recall what
11 radio channels you utilized, listened to, or tried
12 to key-up on?
13
14 RR: I don't remember specifically what they were. I, uh
15 -- the way I became aware of the incident was via
16 cell phone. It wasn't because of the radio.
17
18 TC: Okay. Do you recall about what time via cell phone
19 you became aware of the incident?
20
21 RR: Uh, it was approximately 2:31 p.m.
22
23 TC: Okay. And what information was given to you?
24
25 RR: Uh, I learned that there -- there was reports of an
26 active shooter at Stoneman Douglas and that I needed
27 to respond.
28
29 TC: Okay. I know in your report you said you were doing
30 a static display. Where did you respond from?
31
32 RR: So the static display was at -- it was in Weston.
33 However, I had already completed it and was driving
34 the BearCat back to Fort Lauderdale Executive
35 Airport which is where it's stored.
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 RR: Um, at about Sunrise and 95 is where I received the
40 phone call about the shooting. I got off on
41 Sunrise, uh, jumped over to the Turnpike and got on
42 the Turnpike northbound.
43
44 TC: Okay. And do you recall approximately how long it
45 took for you -- from you from that location to get
46 to the high school?
47
48 RR: I'm not sure exactly.
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3 RR: Yeah, I -- as I explained, that when I got off on
4 Sunrise, I got on the Turnpike northbound. I took
5 the Turnpike northbound to the Sawgrass Expressway,
6 and Sawgrass South until I got to, um, Pine Island,
7 I think it is, and then came back on Holmberg
8 towards the school.
9
10 TC: Okay. So, if you came up Pine -- did you go
11 northbound on Pine Island and then westbound?
12
13 RR: Right, I -- no --
14
15 TC: Or
16
17 RR: east on Holmberg from Pine Island, I believe
18 that's
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 RR: -- that road.
23
24 TC: And so on -- on here, uh, this is Northwest 10th, is
25 actually Pine Island here. Um
26
27 RR: Or maybe -- maybe I'm thinking the wrong road 'cause
28 I know I had to come east to the school.
29
30 TC: Did you go around a traffic circle, by chance?
31
32 RR: Yes.
33
34 TC: Okay. So you came from the west on Holmberg and
35 came east on --
36
37 RR: So I guess that's Nob Hill then?
38
39 TC: Uh
40
41 JR: No, that's Coral Ridge --
42
43 RR: Whatever that --
44
45 JR: Coral Ridge --
46
47 RR: whatever that next
48
49 TC: Okay.
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2
3 RR: Yeah, whatever that -- whatever that
4
5 TC: Whatever that next western road is.
6
7 RR: Yeah.
8
9 TC: All right. You had to come back east on --
10
11 JR: Coral Ridge Boulevard.
12
13 TC: I tell you what. We'll jump from Figure 1. Let's
14 go to Figure 2 here. Um, here's Holmberg Road. Got
15 the football field. Here is Building 13. Here's
16 Building 12. Would you just kinda draw the route
17 you took the BearCat in.
18
19 RR: And then that was the initial stopping point and
20 then I transitioned over to this one.
21
22 TC: Okay. So. just to record it for the, um, for the
23 record, came in eastbound past the traffic circle on
24 Holmberg, past Westglades Middle School, heading
25 eastbound, and then you turned southbound onto the
26 first entrance into the school parking lot on
27 Holmberg?
28
29 RR: That's my recollection, yes.
30
31 TC: Okay. And then, uh, you paused between the 12 and
32 1300 buildings, still in the parking lot?
33
34 RR: Correct.
35
36 TC: Okay. And then ultimately you continued eastbound
37 to the east doorway of Building 12?
38
39 RR: Correct.
40
41 TC: When you were paused --.well, actually let me back
42 up. Was there a particular reason you came this
43 route? Did you receive intelligence to say you
44 needed to come this way or did you just kinda get
45 that's just where you ended up?
46
47 RR: I think I put it on the GPS on my phone. I -- I
48 wasn't really familiar with Parkland and that's the
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1 TC: Okay. Do you recall while you were en route what
2 type of radio transmissions and intelligence you
3 were receiving over the radio?
4
5 RR: Um, I don't really remember 'cause I know that, uh,
6 we have the separate frequency for SWAT. Then what
7 the regular traffic was, I don't remember which
8 channel I was listening to.
9
10 TC: Okay. When you're paused here in between the 1200
11 and 1300 Building, what -- what actions do you
12 observe there?
13
14 RR: So jumping back a little bit to the -- I paused up
15 here, stopped on Holmberg. The -- there was a
16 contingency of SWAT operators that I work -- that
17 had just finished loading and gearing up. So they
18 jumped in and then on the BearCat and that's when I
19 delivered them to the front of the building. Uh --
20
21 TC: Okay. And, um, approximately how long did you hold
22 there?
23
24 RR: A few minutes. Once -- uh, the Coral Springs Police
25 Department BearCat or their armored vehicle was
26 already parked out front, as well, so rather than
27 doubling the resources for no apparent reason, I
28 I moved around to the other side of the building --
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 RR: -- to see what other assistance could be used.
33
34 TC: Can you put an nx" approximately where they were
35 parked.
36
37 RR: Um, they were, I think a little further there.
38
39 TC: Okay. So they were a little further east. And they
40 were already on scene when you pulled into the
41 parking lot?
42
43 RR: The armored vehicle was.
44
45 TC: Got you. Okay. And did you carry more SWAT
46 operators to the other side of the building?
47
48 RR: No. They everyone dismounted there.
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3 RR: Uh
4
5 TC: 1200?
6
7 RR: stopped over at the 1200 Building on the east
8 side there. Uh, the initial thought was, is that we
9 could use the BearCat to evacuate any injured people
10 who were able to be extricated at that time. Um, I
11 stood by there for a few minutes. Nothing -- there
12 wasn't anybody coming out. So, uh, I don't know
13 about how long later, but I think it was Coral
14 Springs Police had a pick-up truck that they -- they
15 were -- they're in. So they backed that up so that
16 way they could use the pick-up truck as the -- the
17 casualty extraction vehicle rather than taking an
18 armored vehicle away from potentially needing it.
19
20 TC: Do you recall any information over the radio you
21 heard there, uh, on the east side of the building?
22
23 RR: Um, I know there was radio traffic going on. I
24 don't remember specifically. Uh -- I know there was
25 confusion as to -- if the -- the suspect was still
26 on scene or if he wasn't. There was deputies
27 talking about, you know we're -- we're looking in
28 the camera room. Uh, I remember bits and pieces of
29 those, uh, transmissions. But, um, there was, I
30 think also a report that came in, I think from the
31 McDonald's that some -- somebody -- the father had
32 called. There was multiple transmissions, mixed
33 information coming in. Um, but as far as live
34 intelligence they weren't sure if the guy was still
35 there or not.
36
37 TC: Okay. Did you ever return back to this -- to the
38 west side of the building?
39
40 RR: Um, at some point, yes, after everything was
41 basically broken down and deemed safe, yes, the
42 the armored vehicle was repositioned over there
43 since it was no longer needed on the east side of
44 the building.
45
46 TC: Okay. And, I believe, uh, I mean, through the
47 course of the interviews, there was a command post
48 of some sort set up over there?
49
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2 the command stuff was, uh, for the command post.
3
4 TC: Okay. Did, at any time when you were on, um, the
5 campus, did you enter the 1200 Building?
6
7 RR: I think briefly when I initially pulled up just to
8 see if there was anybody there that was being
9 evacuated out from the east side, but that was
10 limited. I didn't enter any classrooms or go
11 anywhere else past that initial hallway.
12
13 TC: Okay. So which door did you enter into?
14
15 RR: The east side.
16
17 TC: The east side door?
18
19 RR: Yeah.
20
21 TC: Okay. What did you observe when you entered into
22 the east side door?
23
24 RR: Um, the smoky hallway. Um, there was multiple
25 people strewn throughout the floor on the first
26 floor, uh, hallway there. Um, the rest -- it looked
27 like the contingent of the -- of our SWAT team had
28 basically made it to that end of the building. Um,
29 I let them know. I said, "Hey, I got the BearCat out
30 here ready to go in case we have any extractions."
31 And --
32
33 TC: Okay. And, just to be consistent since we're asking
34 everybody who went into the building or -- or was by
35 it in this capacity, at any point did you hear any
36 gunshots?
37
38 RR: No.
39
40 TC: Okay. When you were pulling down Holmberg did you
41 observe law -- other law enforcement units?
42
43 RR: Uh, there was a mix. I know that there was already
44 these other civilian cars stopped in the roadway as
45 well, because I had to go back-and-forth over the
46 median and the oncoming traffic on Holmberg to
47 navigate through to get the BearCat to the school.
48 Um, I remember seeing, like I said, the -- the SWAT
49 guys who had just pulled up, that their cars were
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2
3 TC: Okay. Um, when you -- at any time, uh, during --
4 uh, especially after the event, uh, whenever it was
5 kinda deemed the suspect's out of there and they're
6 just clearing it or maybe even when he was
7 apprehended -- um, at any point did you have any
8 interaction with Deputy Scot Peterson?
9
10 RR: I know he was there, um, on campus. I -- I ran into
11 him briefly, but there was no significant, um,
12 interaction.
13
14 TC: Okay. Where did you run into him at on campus?
15
16 RR: It was after everything, I think, had been basically
17 deemed clear. It was up near the command post.
18
19 TC: Okay. Would that be the northwest side of the
20 building, of Building 12, kinda where the "X" where
21 the Coral Springs --
22
23 RR: Uh, it'd be further back over here where all the
24 command vehicles were. Like, that driveway
25 entrance, the western driveway entrance.
26
27 TC: Okay. Can you just put a circle around that?
28
29 JR: So around the 13?
30
31 RR: Right. Yeah --
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 RR : - - it was 13 .
36
37 TC: And approximately -- do you have any timeframe of
38 when that was?
39
40 RR: It was after everything had slowed down 'cause I
41 remember that the -- the BearCat I had already
42 brought back around the side of the building to that
43 side.
44
45 TC: Was he ever inside the BearCat to your knowledge?
46
47 RR: Yeah. I think he was sitting in the back of it.
48
49 TC: Okay. Do you know who else was there inside the
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2 RR: No, I don't remember.
3
4 TC: Was there any conversation when he was in the
5 BearCat that you recall hearing?
6
7 RR: I know he was distraught and they were just trying
8 to let him sit in the air conditioning and -- and
9 hang out.
10
11 TC: Okay. Any utterances he made that you recall?
12
13 RR: Uh-uh.
14
15 TC: And, uh, you -- you describe him as being
16 distraught. Any can you elaborate more on that?
17
18 RR: Just that you -- uh, I mean just from his facial
19 expressions. He looked like flustered. Um, I don't
20 remember any specific mannerisms that he did. I
21 just remember seeing him flustered and just, you
22 know -- he was -- apparently he needed to sit down
23 and have a drink of water, sit in the A/C.
24
25 TC: Okay. And do you know about -- about how long after
26 you arrived on campus that particular -- uh, that
27 occurred, that he was sitting in the BearCat?
28
29 RR: That was -- that -- I guess that would've been when
30 everything was already over and done with at that
31 point
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 RR: -- because the BearCat was parked over here
36 somewhere.
37
38 TC: Since, uh -- are you -- are you a main operator of
39 the BearCat? Like, is that your primary function?
40
41 RR: There's five of us, yeah.
42
43 TC: Okay. Is is the -- BearCat equipped with any
44 recording devices?
45
46 RR: No.
47
48 TC: Okay. .No video, no audio, nothing like that? Did
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1 RR: I don't remember if I did or did not.
2
3 TC: Okay. So --
4
5 RR: I don't think I did have any recordings.
6
7 TC: Okay. So you don't recall uploading any recording
8 or anything like that?
9
10 RR: No.
11
12 TC: Was there any other individuals that you recall that
13 were around Deputy Peterson when he was in the back
14 of the BearCat or at the command post?
15
16 RR: No. That -- I know Parkland, they -- I don't know
17 if they still don't, but they didn't have body
18 cameras at the time. I don't remember who else was
19 around that would've had --
20
21 TC: Well, not just -- individuals who were around. You
22 said there was some -- I believe you said there was
23 command staff and -- or obviously
24
25 RR: He was in that general area --
26
27 TC: it was, you know (unintelligible)
28
29 RR: right.
30
31 TC: general area. Um, do you recall anybody who had
32 a conversation with him at that location?
33
34 RR: No.
35
36 TC: Okay. Do you recall which members of the command
37 staff manned that forward post there?
38
39 RR: I know, uh, Captain Robson, the SWAT commander was
40 there.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 RR: Um, I specifically remember seeing him. As far as
45 other people, I'm not sure, um, who everybody either
46 was or was there at the time.
47
48 TC: And do you recall approximately how long he --
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1 RR: I'm not sure. Um, he was there for a decent amount
2 of time
3
4 TC: Okay.
5
6 RR: -- probably 15, 20-i~h minutes, if I had to
7 estimate.
'8
9 TC: And how long did the BearCat remain on -- actually,
10 let me back up. Did you do any other functions at
11 the school not related to the BearCat like clearing
12 any buildings or anything like that?
13
14 RR: No. The only thing that, uh, I helped with is the -
15 for the doors that couldn't be unlocked or
16 anything else, we helped with supplying breaching
17 tools. But, uh, my function on the SWAT team isn't
18 in a full tactical capacity, but just in support,
19 logistics support.
20
21 TC: Okay. And approximately how long were -- was the
22 BearCat or yourself on the campus before you were,
23 uh, relieved?
24
25 RR: Uh, it was -- it was a while. Uh, it was for sure
26 night time. It was when -- whenever the rest of
27 SWAT team got cut loose is when I got cut loose.
28
29 TC: Okay. And then I know in the other report you
30 furnished, um, another function from -- from this
31 incident was you interviewed witnesses?
32
33 RR: Correct, the next day.
34
35 TC: And that was the next day at the Marriott Hotel?
36
37 RR: Yes.
38
39 TC: Okay. Let me just kinda switch gears to training
40 and -- and policy. Does Broward County Sheriff's
41 Off ice have a policy related to active shooter?
42
43 RR: Yes.
44
45 TC: Okay. Do you -- what is your interpretation of that
46 policy?
47
48 RR: Um, you mean like as far as what -- what it
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2
3 RR: -- what -- what's expected of you?
4
5 TC: Yeah. I don't expect you to recall and -- and give
6 it to me verbatim. So I'm just asking what -- what
7 is the impression of the
8
9 RR: The active shooter's
10
11 TC: policy?
12
13 RR: probably the only time the Sheriff's Office will
14 ever ask you to go into a situation without SWAT,
15 without anything else to obviously to address the
16 threat, because of all the training or all the --
17 the research that's been done that shows the initial
18 confrontation will stop the shooting.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 RR: So they expect you -- you know whether it's you, you
23 or the first two people or three people, however
24 you're lucky enough to end up with to go in and --
25 and deal with it.
26
27 TC: Okay. And when's the last time you had specific
28 training related to active shooter where maybe
29 you're actually the one responding to that threat in
30 -- in that situation?
31
32 RR: I think it was in-service training a few years back,
33 if I'm not mistaken. I don't remember exactly when
34 it was. But it was a few years ago, 'cause we did
35 it at the stockade facility, um, on Powerline.
36
37 TC: Okay. Jason?
38
39 JR: Uh.
40
41 TC: Nothing?
42
43 JR: In regards to this investigation is there anything
44 I've either failed to ask or anything that you would
45 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
46
47 TC: No.
48
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2 TC: No.
3
4 JR: Has this interview that you have provided during the
5 -- I'm sorry -- has the information that you have
6 provided during this interview the truth and best of
7 your knowledge or recollection?
8
9 TC: Yes.
10
11 JR: All right. That concludes this interview. The time
12 is 11:14 a.m.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY JASON RIDDLE, #EI-26-0079, 06/25/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 IR INSPECTOR JASON RAVENEL
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 JR DEPUTY JASON RIDDLE
9 GL IUPA ATTORNEY GARY LIPPMAN
10
11
12 IR: All right. Today's date is Monday, June 25th. The
13 time is approximately 09:12 hours. I am Inspector
14 Ravenel of the Office of Investigations of FDLE.
15 Also, present in the room is Inspector Randy Brown.
16 Also, . of FDLE. It's gonna be Jason Riddle of Broward
17 Sheriff's Office and IUPA Attorney, uh, Lippman.
18 This location of this interview is at Broward's
19 headquarters. I will be questioning, uh, Deputy
20 Riddle as a witness in an official FDLE
21 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Inspector
22 Keith Riddick is in charge of this investigation.
23
24 On February 25th, 2018 Governor Rick -- Rick Scott
25 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
26 response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
27 record, I would like to clarify that this is a
28 witness statement being given by you as a part of
29 the investigation into the law enforcement response
30 to the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
31 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
32 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
33 Do you understand?
34
35 JR: Yes, sir.
36
37 IR: Okay. Prior to the -- prior to beginning this
38 interview, you should be aware of the following, the
39 interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
40 enforcement officer, I'm empowered to administrative
41 oath and take statements. In a moment I will be
42 taking a sworn statement from you. You will under
43 oath and if you knowingly provide false statements
44 you can be criminally charged with perjury. Do you
45 understand each of the items I've informed you of?
46
47 JR: Yes, I do.
48
49 IR: Okay. Please, raise your right hand for me. Do you
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1 about to give is the truth, the whole truth and
2 nothing but the truth, so help you God?
3
4 JR: I swear.
5
6 IR: All right. Please, state your full name for me.
7
8 JR: Jason Riddle.
9
10 IR: All right. Current place of employment?
11
12 JR: Broward Sheriff's Office.
13
14 IR: And how long?
15
16 JR: Seventeen years.
17
18 IR: Seventeen?
19
20 JR: Approximately 17 years.
21
22 IR: Okay. All right. In regards to this investigation --
23
24 RB: (unintelligible) this.
25
26 IR: oh.
27
28 RB: How long have you been employed at the Broward
29 Sheriff's Office?
30
31 JR: Sixteen years.
32
33 RB: Okay. And .what
34
35 JR: It's 17 years and -- will be two months i t ' l l be 17
36 years.
37
38 RB: Okay. In what capacity do you currently serve?
39
40 JR: I'm a deputy sheriff.
41
42 RB: Okay. Um, have you had -- do you have any other law
43 enforcement experience prior to, uh, Broward
44 Sheriff's Office?
45
46 JR: Yes, I do.
47
48 RB: Okay. How long and where?
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2
3 RB: Okay. Um, as I kind of briefly explained before we
4 turned on the -- the recorder, this is, obviously,
5 involving the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school
6 shooting. Um, I wanna start by, um, taking you back
7 to February 14th, 2018. Um, how did you first hear
8 about the school shooting?
9
10 JR: ~ had just returned from, uh -- a drive-by for, uh -
11 - a narcotics' search warrant. We were a planning a
12 narcot~c search warrant for the following day. So, I
13 was actually here in the back parking lot of our,
14 um, Central Broward District Office, which is across
15 the parking lot from where we're currently located.
16 Myself and another, uh, SWAT team member were in the
17 parking lot and, uh -- which I presume is a
18 detective here in the sheriff's office, wearing, uh
19 -- a polo-style shirt, which our detectives and
20 criminal investigations typically wear, come
21 swooping in the parking lot. Um, blurts out -- you
22 know, he's talking to us through the -- the driver's
23 window that there was a shooting at Douglas High
24 School. They're working off of, uh -- a particular
25 radio channel and then went tearing out of the
26 parking lot.
27
28 So, I immediately, uh, got my radio switched over to
29 the channel they were working out of, so you could
30 hear that there was quite a bit of, um, radio
31 traffic and, uh -- um, emergency traffic that was
32 being dispatched over that particular radio. So,
33 myself and the other SWAT team member -- I was,
34 "This his something we're gonna have go to." So, we
35 loaded up in our vehicles and started traveling
36 towards, uh, Parkland, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High
37 School.
38
39 RB: Okay. Approximately how long did it take for you to,
40 um -- to travel from this area to the -- the high
41 school?
42
43 JR: I would -- I would be speculating. I mean,
-- I
44 obviously, it felt like it took forever
45
46 RB: Uh-huh.
47
48 JR: -- to travel from, um, Central Broward District
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2 to how long it had taken. Obviously, I was, you
3 know, running, lights and sirens, emergency
4 response. Um, I -- I couldn't give you, uh --
5
6 RB: Okay.
7
8 JR: an accurate estimation as to how long it took me
9 to get up there.
10
11 RB: Do you recall any, uh, additional information that
12 you've learned, um, about the situation while you
13 were in route, as far as radio traffic goes or cell
14 phone communication you may have had with anybody?
15 Like, did you -- did you become privy to any more
16 information, other than what you initially told --
17
18 JR: Well, it
19
20 RB: while you're in route?
21
22 JR: -- at at one point while I was traversing, um --
23 you know, to back up a little bit. Obviously, you
24 know, as a member of the SWAT team we were training
25 at Markham Park. We were on the range that
26 particular time.
27
28 RB: Uh-huh.
29
30 JR: So, obviously, there was some communication from our
31 executive officer, Lieutenant Chris McCoy, at that
32 time, basically was, uh - uh, at some point, advised
33 over the radio that we were in route. SWAT was
34 responding. And, um, you know, that we were to go,
35 'cause there was, also, some information for
36 responding deputies to stage or to respond to a
37 particular area initially, as opposed to, uh --
38 let's see. We weren't gonna stage or park at a
39 particular place. We were going straight to wherever
40 the -- the issue was, uh, which was the -- it would
41 be the north side at the actual building itself. So.
42
43 RB: When you talk about "staging", um, where -- where
44 did that information come from?
45
46 JR: Uh --
47
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4 JR: someone -- like, you know, where, um, either the
5 command post or wherever or -- you know, the
6 responding units were mustering up or wherever they
7 were, uh, responding to initially to go to the
8 school. Um, I believe there was some -- some
9 information that was relayed over the -- the radio
10 at that point.
11
12 RB: Okay. And your recollection was that people that
13 were going, obviously, not the SWAT teams guys, but?
14
15 JR: Correct. Like, regular patrol. Whoever, um,
16 additional assets that were responding --
17
18 RB: Okay.
19
20 JR: -- responding to the school shooting were - were
21 going.
22
23 RB: Was the scene still an active scene, as in did
24 was the shooter believed to have still been on
25 campus when you heard this information?
26
27 JR: I mean it seemed like it was -- was relatively real-
28 time information and that.
29
30 RB: Okay.
31
32 JR: So, it was still unfolding.
33
34 RB: Okay.
35
36 JR: Because -- or there was some unknown as to where the
37 school shooter was at that point.
38
39 RB: Okay. Um, I wanna five you these three maps. These -
40 ~ it's basically all the same thing, but they're all
41 the -- the school. This is the 1200 Building here.
42 Um, the 1200 Building is here. Um -- and then this
43 is just a larger aerial view. If you would, um --
44 when you arrived at the scene, um, do you recall
45 where you parked?
46
47 JR: Yes.
48
49 RB: Um, if you would and you can do just do this
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2 and then, um -- it's okay. And then the -- the
3 course you took once you responded and -- and tell
4 me about that as you go, too.
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6 JR: So, my initial -- I ended up here on Pine Island
7 Road.
8
9 RB: Okay.
10
11 JR: Um -- and, I guess, this would be the Sawgrass here
12 that's out of view. Is that accurate?
13
14 RB: Uh, Sawgrass, I believe, is -- 'cause this is
15 Holmberg and then I think University is down here.
16 Sawgrass is on this side. Right?
17
18 IR: Uh-huh.
19
20 RB: Or this side?
21
22 JR: Uh, this
23
24 RB: Yeah.
25
26 JR: -- so, yeah. So, yeah. This is Sawgrass.
27
28 RB: Uh-huh.
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30 JR: Okay. So, I guess, which -- which will be on --
31
32 RB: Correct.
33
34 JR: the bottom of the --
35
36 RB: It is down here.
37
38 JR: where the map here.
39
40 RB: Yeah. Yeah.
41
42 JR: So, I ended up close to the Sawgrass, but,
43 obviously, right, um I was on Pine
44
45 RB: And you can mark on it.
46
47 JR: -- I was on Pine Island Road.
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3 RB: Right there.
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5 JR: Yes. So, it would be -- I was close to, um, Sawgrass
6 off Pine Island, which I believe would -- would've
7 initially parked at this location.
8
9 RB: Okay.
10
11 JR: Uh -- and started preparing to -- to enter the
12 school.
13
14 RB: Okay.
15
16 JR: You know, suiting up. Uh -- you know, rifle, helmet.
17 Um, getting ready to make my way to the school. To
18 the to the 1200 Building --
19
20 RB: Okay.
21
22 JR: where -- where the, uh, shooting was occurring.
23 Or had occurred.
24
25 RB: What did -- once you parked, what were your
26 observations? And by "observations" I mean, um, what
27 did you observe? Uh, were there -- were there other
28 law enforcement personnel already on the scene?
29
30 JR: Yes. Yeah. I did see other -- there was, uh, several
31 law enforcement vehicles, whether it be Fire Rescue
32 or Public Safety vehicles that were along Pine
33 Island Road --
34
35 RB: Okay.
36
37 JR: -- you know, when I initially arrived.
38
39 RB: Once you got all your gear on what did you do next?
40
41 JR: There was, uh -- a K-9. A Broward Sheriff's Office
42 K-9 deputy that was nearby. He actually commandeered
43 my vehicle. I ended up -- we ended up doing, uh --
44 um - uh, riding on the running boards.
45
46 RB: Okay.
47
48 JR: Myself and another -- several other, um, SWAT team
49 members from the Broward Sherriff's Office. We piled
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2 Holmberg. And we dumped out right on Holmberg.
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4 RB: You can draw that on there, too.
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6 JR: Dumped out, which I believe -- you said this is? I
7 can't see.
8
9 RB: This is the 1200 Building.
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11 JR: This is 1200
12
13 RB: And this is 1300.
14
15 JR: Okay. So, then we dumped out right at this entrance
16 here.
17
18 RB: Okay.
19
20 JR: So, we came into here. He dumped us off. And then we
21 made our way on foot, myself -- I don't recall who -
22 - who -- what other SWAT team members were with me.
23
24 RB: Uh-huh.
25
26 JR: And, also, there was, uh -- a SWAT medic. One of our
27 Fire Rescue, um, personnel that's on the SWAT team.
28
29 RB: Uh-huh.
30
31 JR: We all deployed off of my vehicle and then made our
32 way up to where there -- our armored vehicle was.
33 Paused there momentarily. Mustered up. There was a
34 few other people running up to the back of -- of the
35 armored vehicle.
36
37 RB: Uh-huh.
38
39 JR: And then we made our way to the 1200 Building on
40 this west side.
41
42 RB: Okay. So, uh, once you made your way to the 1200
43 Building, um -- or let me back up just a second.
44 When you -- when you went from your vehicle -- and
45 I'm assuming your armored vehicle is your BearCat?
46
47 JR: I believe it was the Bear or I -- I don't recall if
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4 RB: Okay. Did you observe any other law enforcemeµt
5 personnel along the way, from the time that you got
6 off your truck to the time that you made, um, the
7 I guess, when you met up with the other guys that
8 were at the -- the armored vehicle?
9
10 JR: I -- other than the persons that the SWAT team
11 members that were traversing --
12
13 IR: Uh-huh.
14
15 RB: As in had anybody -- did you see any law enforcement
16 ~ersonnel take up any positions along the way --
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18 JR: Not --
19
20 RB: that were in that area?
21
22 JR: not that I recall. I mean, it was --
23
24 RB: Okay.
25
26 JR: -- it was focusing on getting to the rest of my team
27 members behind the vehicle and then, you know, once
28 we all mustered up then we just immediately, uh,
29 traversed across this walkway and this part of the
30 parking lot to the 1200 Building.
31
32 RB: From the time that you arrived on scene, which was
33 over here on Pine Island, um -- and any of the time
34 that you were on campus, did you ever hear any
35 gunshots?
36
37 JR: No, I did not.
38
39 RB: Okay. Um -- so, once you made your way to the 1200
40 Building, um, with your -- your SWAT team guys, um,
41 what did you observe and then did you make entry
42 into the 1200 Building?
43
44 JR: Yes, I did.
45
46 RB: Okay. So, what were your observations as you
47 approached and then upon making entry?
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3
4 JR: There was, you know, a motionless male that was
5 right there by the doors to the -- you know, the
6 ground floor of the 1200 Building --
7
8 RB: Uh-huh.
9
10 JR: -- in between the doors. Like, it's to the --
11 there's a stairwell door to the right and then, uh,
12 to the -- I mean, to the left of the deceased, I
13 believe, was the door to the corridor of the hallway
14 of the 1200 Building.
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16 RB : Uh - huh .
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18 JR: Um, I just -- we just made our way to that, which I
19 believe is the, uh -- the door to the stairwell that
20 the -- the bank of stairs there, and then we started
21 traversing the stairs. And, also, at that point, you
22 know, there were some information that, uh --
23 actually, back up. Prior to -- while traversing from
24 where I parked on Pine Island Road to where we
25 deployed at Holmberg, that -- I guess, later now
26 knowing that, apparently, they were reviewing the
27 video and there was some information that he was
28 gassing, uh -- gas -- putting a gas mask on or was
29 wearing, uh -- some type of mask. So, there -- there
30 was, you know, some information coming over the
31 radio that he was on the third floor or traversing
32 from the second floor to the third floor. So, it
33 seemed as if that he was still inside --
34
35 RB: Okay.
36
37 JR: -- the 1200 Building. So, there was some information
38 coming across the radio, you know, that there was
39 smoke and there was, you know, possibly, um -- uh,
40 you know, some type of chemical agent or something,
41 you know, like, gas -- some kind of gas deployed --
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 JR: -- you know, from the smoke that was -- somebody was
46 wearing a gas mask or there was some, you know --
47 there was something about grab -- grab your gas
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1 RB: Did you at any time, while you were on scene or
2 while you were in route to the scene, um, attempt to
3 use your -- your radio to -- to speak at all?
4
5 JR: No.
6
7 RB: Okay. Do you -- are you aware of any radio issues
8 that were present, um, while you were on scene? And
9 by that, I mean, did you ever hear any guys talking
10 about, "I'm trying to key up. I'm getting bonked." I
11 think it's the term. Did you notice any things like
12 that?
13
14 JR: Yes. Yeah. I mean, there's, obviously, um -- there
15 was some issues with communications. Obviously,
16 some, uh, continued communication, you know, once we
17 got inside the building.
18
19 RB: Okay. So, um, once you made entry into the building,
20 was there -- you said there was law enforcement
21 personnel outside, um, the west side where, um -- I
22 believe, this was Coach Feis was.
23
24 JR: Yes, I believe so.
25
26 RB: Um, once you made entry inside the building, was
27 there already law enforcement personnel inside the
28 building?
29
30 JR: Yes.
31
32 RB: Uh, where were they at?
33
34 JR: I -- there were -- I was in this -- in that initial
35 west stairwell
36
37 RB: Uh-huh.
38
39 JR: -- and, also, encountered additional, um, law
40 enforcement personnel that were on some of the
41 floors
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 JR: within the 1200 Building.
46
47 RB: Do you recall the agency they were from?
48
49 JR: I -- I obviously, I recognized the green Broward
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3
4 JR: And there was, also, some personnel that were
5 wearing blue uniforms.
6
7 RB: Okay.
8
9 JR: Which I assumed were a city municipality police
10 department. But specifically, you know, whether they
11 were Coral Springs or Coconut Creek, or whatever
12 other blue, uh -- agency that wears a blue uniform I
13 -- I wouldn't be able to --
14
15 RB: Okay.
16
17 JR: -- tell you specifically which agency they were
18 from.
19
20 RB: So, when you made entry you observed, it sounds
21 like, several law enforcement personnel was already
22 inside?
23
24 JR: Yes. In addition to, uh, some other SWAT team
25 members that had already, um, I guess, made that
26 initial push prior to, um, you know, the -- the
27 group that I was in.
28
29 RB: Okay.
30
31 JR: So, there was a limited, um, SWAT element that was
32 already -- made -- made their way inside the
33 structure.
34
35 RB: Okay. So, what is -- what was your responsibility
36 once you got inside the 1200 Building? Where --
37 where did you go initially? What --
38
39 JR: Initially, you know, we started traversing the
40 stairwell, once -- obviously, there was that
41 information that was over the radio that he was on
42 the third floor.
43
44 RB: Okay.
45
46 JR: So, to tell you specifically, you know, I went from
47 the first to the second to the -- I mean, it -- we
48 ended up re-clearing and backtracking, so I
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4 JR: So, I wouldn't be able to tell you my exact path
5 throughout the the building.
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7 RB: Uh-huh.
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9 JR: However, um, you know during that time, you know --
10 then there was some information while we were
11 searching and clearing some of the classrooms that,
12 um, we'd received some information that he was taken
13 into custody at some point during that search of the
14 1200 Building.
15
16 RB: Okay. At any point while you were inside the
17 building did you receive information that the -- the
18 video was delayed that they were reviewing that you
19 referred to?
20
21 JR: I don't recall when I received that information.
22 Obviously, I at -- at a later time, I -- I don't
23 know if it was when I was in that building, you
24 know, actively searching, that it was delayed. That
25 I -- I wouldn't be able to answer that.
26
27 RB: Okay.
28
29 JR: As to when I received that information.
30
31 RB: Okay. Um -- so, essentially, I'm assuming then that
32 what -- what you're telling me is that you cleared
33 at -- at some point, rooms on all three floors of
34 the 1200 Building?
35
36 JR: Yes.
37
38 RB: Okay.
39
40 JR: Whether it be the hallway or actual classrooms, and
41 then at some of the doors that, obviously, were
42 locked, or if they were, like, utility rooms, we
43 ended up -- I ended up breaching --
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45 RB: Okay.
46
47 JR: -- taking part in breaching some of those locked
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3 doors to the air conditioners or whatever it may be.
4
5 RB: Okay. Um, once you finished with your -- your duties
6 inside the 1200 Building, clearing and breaching and
7 such, did you have any additional duties or
8 assignments on campus, whether it be clearing
9 another building or anything else?
10
11 JR: Yes.
12
13 RB: What was that?
14
15 JR: Within -- after the 1200 Building, we went -- you
16 know, made our way over to, I believe, it was the
17 800 and 500 Buildings, so further to the -- to the
18 south.
19
20 RB: Okay.
21
22 JR: So, we took part in clearing some of those. Or, if
23 I'm not mistaken, also, the 500 Building, at some
24 point, we did double-check on that -- on that
25 building.
26
27 RB: Okay. Um, did you ever make your way out of the east
28 side of the 1200 Building at all?
29
30 JR: No.
31
32 RB: No? Um, while you were on campus, did you ever
33 encounter or speak with, uh, Scot Peterson?
34
35 JR: I never knew who Scot Peterson was until I seen him
36 on television.
37
38 RB: Okay. Um, let me see if there's anything else. Um,
39 kinda wanna switch gears for a second. Let's see. Um
40 -- let's see. Um -- and go to some training
41 questions.
42
43 JR: Okay.
44
45 RB: And I -- I understand you're on the SWAT team, so
46 your answers will probably be a little bit
47 different, um, just due to the fact that you guys
48 train more than, you know, regular road deputies. Um
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4 RB: Urn, does your agency train in active shooter
5 response?
6
7 JR: Yes.
8
9 RB: How often? That's where, I think, the question will
10 probably be a little different --
11
12 JR: Sure.
13
14 RB: -- but.
15
16 JR: I mean, we have opportunity -- I know in the past
17 I've had opportunity -- they've had active shooter
18 training offered.
19
20 RB: Uh-huh.
21
22 JR: You know, something like -- like, an elective --
23
24 RB: Uh-huh.
25
26 JR: -- that you could sign up and take, which I've taken
27 previously.
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29 RB: Okay.
30
31 JR: Uh, which was held at Port Everglades. You know,
32 they, also, have, you know, the -- the different
33 sites throughout Broward County, whether it be at
34 public schools or the airport, the seaport. So, I
35 had the opportunity to take the course at, urn, Port
36 Everglades.
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38 RB: Okay. Do you recall when that was?
39
40 JR: No. I mean, I would say I would have to look at my
41 training history, but I mean, it was -- I would --
42 if -- you know, close to 10 years ago that I had
43 taken that -- that course itself.
44
45 RB: Okay. Is that the last time that you participated in
46 any kind of active shooter training?
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48 JR: Uh, no. I mean, in -- also, in in-service training,
49 you know, we've done, urn, rescue task force. It was,
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2 a couple years ago that was integrated into your in-
3 service training.
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5 RB: Okay. And then as a SWAT team member do you guys
6 individually train as -- as a team, um, in any kind
7 of active shooter response?
8
9 JR: Yes. Obviously, you know, throughout our, um,
10 weekly, training schedule
11
12 RB: Uh-huh.
13
14 JR: -- you know, quite frequently we do hostage rescue
15 or active shooter. That's, obviously, an integral
16 part of our response. So, whether it be scenario-
17 based training or, you know -- obviously, that's
18 something that we do on a regular basis.
19
20 RB: Okay. And what does that training instruct you to do
21 in an active shooter situation?
22
23 JR: For? For -- as, uh -- a SWAT response?
24
25 RB: Yeah.
26
27 JR: Or for
28
29 RB: Well, as -- as a response in general? And if you can
30 answer it as a two-prong part as in if you -- have
31 you been on the SWAT team for 10 years?
32
33 JR: Seven years.
34
35 RB: Okay. So, when you took it at Port Everglades, as
36 just a basic patrol deputy, if there's a difference
37 in the responses, then tell me that. But, um,
38 overall what is -- what is the response?
39
40 JR: I mean, I think, ultimately the response and the
41 tactics have kind of evolved over the years, you
42 know, Columbine and so forth.
43
44 RB: Uh-huh.
45
46 JR: That since, um, this training has, you know,
47 obviously, evolved throughout, um, the years that --
48 I mean, ultimately, it's, you know, up to the -- the
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2 response to that active shooter.
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4 RB: Okay. So, um, if you wouldn't mind, give me some
5 examples of what you said, it's, uh -- a deputy's
6 individual decision. So -- to be effective. So, give
7 me an example of, you know, what you mean by that?
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9 JR: Um, ultimately, you know, to -- to determine where
10 the -- the actual shooter is located. You know,
11 whether they're -- it's ongoing. It's -- it's, um
12 the suspect is bontinuingly shooting people or if
13 they've barricaded themselves or if they've taken
14 hostage. You know, whether it's a hostage-type
15 situation now. Is it traverse from an active shooter
16 to a barricade or a hostage situation. Uh -- so,
17 ultimately, you know, from whether witnesses that
18 are escaping from the structure itself or, you know,
19 victims or whatever intel that you can gather, you
20 know, is there -- are you still hearing gunfire --
21
22 RB: Uh-huh.
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24 JR: -- or has it - there's a lull in the gunfire.
25 There's no more shots fired. You know, is there, uh,
26 suspects that are leaving -- saying he's, you know,
27 in a room by himself. He's barricaded himself. So,
28 ultimately, you know, that ~- that deputy or group
29 of deputies would have to make the determination,
30 okay. Are we gonna go in there and confront a person
31 that's barricaded themselves, you know, in -- in an
32 office or in a particular room.
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34 RB: Uh-huh.
35
36 JR: You know, are we gonna be effective, you know,
37 saving persons, or, you know, ultimately are we
38 putting ourselves, um, in jeopardy by entering. Is
39 there really a purpose or, uh -- a reason why we
40 need to confront that person if they're by
41 themselves and they're no -- no longer shooting
42 somebody, should we, you know, go in there and
43 ultimately confront them when that necessarily might
44 not be the case or do -- you know, there might be no
45 exigency to do so.
46
47 RB: Okay. In a situation where there is exigent
48 circumstances and there is an active shooter, what
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2 situation?
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4 JR: Well, I mean, ultimately, it's -- you know, they --
5 it's stated that every shot fired could in essence
6 be a person, a life loss.
7
8 RB: Uh-huh.
9
10 JR: So, the time is of an essence, in other words.
11
12 RB: Uh-huh.
13
14 JR: So, the quicker you can stop that person from, you
15 know, inflicting harm on others, whether force them
16 to surrender or to barricade themselves, you know,
17 away from other, um -- uh, victims, is -- is the
18 best outcome.
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21
22 JR: Or to, you know, ultimately eliminate that -- that
23 threat from --
24
25 RB: So, does that mean if you're an individual, do you
26 confront the shooter if you're by yourself or, uh,
27 like, is -- is there different circumstances?
28 Ultimately what I'm getting at is, if you're on the
29 scene, there's an active shooter and you're by
30 yourself, what do you do? What does your training
31 tell you to do?
32
33 JR: I mean, obviously, some of my specialized training,
34 obviously, you know, it's you -- you have to take,
35 uh, totality, or do you wait for, you know, that
36 split second for another responding deputy to -- to
37 respond and -- and make entry.
38
39 RB: Uh-huh.
40
41 JR: So, I mean, I think that's an individual, uh,
42 decision, you know, with whatever real-time intel
43 that you can receive. Um, you know, obviously, what
44 you're weapon platform, what you're going up
45 against. Uh, so, I mean it's, obviously, an
46 individual choice to to make entry at that point.
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3 anything that either I failed to ask or anything you
4 would like to add or clarify in your statement
5 today?
6
7 JR: No.
8
9 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
10 providing this statement today?
11
12 JR: No. I have not.
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14 RB: Has the information that you provided during this
15 interview been the truth, to the best of your
16 knowledge or recollection?
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18 JR: Yes, it has.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF ROBERT RIVERA, #EI-26-0079, 6/25/18)
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3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 JR INSPECTOR JASON RAVENEL
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 GL GARY LIPPMAN
9 RR SERGEANT ROBERT RIVERA
10
11 JR: Today's date is Monday, June 25th. The time is now
12 03:46, or 1546 hours. I am Inspector Jason Ravenel
13 of the Office of Executive Investigations of FDLE.
14 Also present at this time is ~nspector Randy Brown,
15 also of FDLE. IUPA attorney --
16
17 GL: Gary Lippman.
18
19 JR: -- Lippman, and Broward County Sheriff's Office
20 Rivera, correct?
21
22 RR: Yes.
23
24 JR: That's correct?
25
26 RR: Sergeant Robert Rivera.
27
28 JR: Sergeant Rivera? All right. Location of this
29 interview is at the Broward headquarters. I will be
30 questioning Sergeant Rivera as a witness in an
31 official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
32 Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
33 investigation.
34
35 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
36 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
37 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
38 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
39 being given by -- by you as a part of this
40 investigation in the law enforcement response to MSD
41 School shooting that occurred on February 14th, 2018.
42 You have been subpoenaed to appear today, and you
43 are in -- you are being compelled to provide this
44 statement. Do you understand?
45
46 RR: Yes.
47
48 JR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
49 should be aware of the following. This interview is
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1 I am empowered to administer oath and take
2 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
3 statement from you. You will under oath, and if you
4 knowingly provide false statements, you can be
5 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
6 each of the items I have just informed you of?
7
8 RR: Yes.
9
10 JR: All right. Please raise your right hand for me. Do
11 you solemnly swear or affirm that information you
12 are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and
13 nothing but the truth, so help you God?
14
15 RR: I do.
16
17 JR: All right. Please state your full name for me.
18
19 RR: My full name is Robert Mark Rivera.
20
21 JR: And your current place of employment?
22
23 RR: I currently work for the Broward County Sheriff's
24 Office.
25
26 JR: And how long have you been working for Broward
27 County?
28
29 RR: I am currently in my 20th year.
30
31 JR: In what capacity?
32
33 RR: I have two jobs here. I'm a sergeant for Patrol in
34 the City of Tamarac --
35
36 JR: Uh-huh.
37
38 RR: -- and I also have a secondary responsibility as a
39 team leader on the sheriff's office SWAT team.
40
41 JR: Okay.
42
43 RB: Okay. Um, do you have, um, law enforcement
44 experience prior to BSO?
45
46 RR: Yes, I do.
47
48 RB: Okay. Uh, where were employed at and for how long?
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50 RR: Prior to working for the sheriff's office, I worked

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1 for approximately four years for the Boynton Beach
2 Police Department as a full-time police officer.
3 And then prior to that, I worked for two years for
4 the Lake Park Police Department as a reserve police
5 officer.
6
7 RB: Okay. I wanna take you back to February 14th of this
8 year, 2018. Um, how did you first hear about the
9 active shooter situation at Stoneman Douglas?
10
11 RR: The, uh, executive officer of the SWAT team at that
12 time, Lieutenant McCoy, advised us, uh, while we
13 were on the range at Markham Park, uh, on our
14 training day that there was an active shooter at a
15 school, and we needed to pack up and go.
16
17 RB: Okay. Once you received that information, what did
18 you do?
19
20 RR: Uh, went to my car, stowed all the training gear,
21 and, uh, we all, sort of, caravanned to, uh,
22 Stoneman Douglas.
23
24 RB: Okay. Um, while you were en route to Stoneman
25 Douglas, did you become aware of any additional
26 information regarding the circumstances at the
27 school?
28
29 RR: Um, it was getting more legitimate. Uh, the
30 information coming across -- I don't remember
31 anything specific, but I remember thinking, okay,
32 this is a -- a large-scale incident.
33
34 RB: Okay. So, when you were first told about it, you --
35 you really didn't have any idea, kind of, as to what
36 the exact situation was, other than it was --
37
38 RR: No. The -- the typical shooting at the school that
39 we have heard of in the past was, uh, kid brought a
40 school in -- uh, brought a gun to a school and had,
41 uh, an accidental discharge of one round.
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 RR: Um, that gets dispatched as a shooting at a school.
46 We get there, and it's not -- not a -- not a mass
47 shooting. Yeah.
48
49 RB: Okay. So, you didn't really know what to expect,
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2 RR: Yes.
3
4 RB: -- somewhere along those lines?
5
6 RR: Yes.
7
8 RB: Okay. So, while you en route, you're hearing more
9 information in this building could be a mass
10 shooting
11
12 RR: Yes.
13
14 RB: -- kind of incident? Okay. Um, and this is all
15 coming over radio or telephone?
16
17 RR: Radio.
18
19 RB: Okay. Um, did you try to communicate via the radio
20
21
22 RR: No.
23
24 RB: -- while while you're --
25
26 RR: Not while I was en route, 'cause there was nothing
27 for me to -- I didn't wanna tie up the lines.
28
29 RB: Okay. Um, do you recall how long it took you to
30 arrive at Stoneman Douglas from the time you left
31 the range?
32
33 RR: I don't remember. I can -- I can estimate if you
34 want me to.
35
36 RB: Uh, best guess is fine.
37
38 RR: Fifteen, 20 minutes?
39
40 RB: Okay. Um, when you arrived, do you know where you
41 parked at?
42
43 RR: I parked, um -- there was a lot of vehicles in a
44 line. I believe it's along Holmberg.
45
46 RB: Okay.
47
48 RR: Um, and we parked somewhere across from mid-field.
49 So, if you're looking at Map Number 2 -- do you want
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2 RB: Yes, please.
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4 JR: Uh-huh.
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6 RR: Okay. Urn, probably somewhere around there.
7
8 RB: Okay. So, once you arrived and you parked, urn, what
9 was your next step?
10
11 RR: Urn, start getting my gear together. Uh, the armored
12 vehicle was either already there or pulling in, just
13 as we were getting there. Urn, information comes
14 across the radio that the suspect may be on one of
15 the floors deploying gas or wearing a gas mask. So,
16 uhL we start passing the information to all of our
17 operators to make sure they bring their gas masks
18 with them. Urn, after that, we loaded onto the
19 armored vehicle and it brought us near the school.
20
21 RB: If you wouldn't mind drawing on the map --
22
23 RR: Sure.
24
25 RB: -- approximately the spot where you --
26
27 RR: Definitely.
28
29 RB: -- got (unintelligible) .
30
31 RR: This is the 1200 building?
32
33 RB : Yes , it is .
34
35 RR: Okay. Then the armored vehicle brought us somewhere
36 around here.
37
38 RB: Did you, urn, proceed to this location on foot?
39
40 RR: Yes, once we got out of the armored -- I'll -- I'll
41 use my locations with an X.
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 RR: Okay. Once we got out of the armored vehicle, most
46 of the operators staged in this area, and I had a
47 team staged right at this corner.
48
49 RB: Okay. Where did you get on the BearCat at?
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1 RR: Over here.
2
3 RB: Okay. So, it was near where you parked?
4
5 RR: Right -- right near -- right near the cars.
6
7 RB: Okay. Um, before you got to this area where you got
8 on -- and you can mark that, too, on the map if
9 you'd like -- um, did you, uh, encounter -- other
10 than the -- your SWAT team members that you rallied
11 with, did you encounter any other law enforcement?
12
13 RR: Yes.
14
15 RB: What were they doing?
16
17 RR: Um, some of 'em were holding rifles, pointing at the
18 -- uh, at the building.
19
20 RB: Uh-huh.
21
22 RR: Uh, some of 'em were standing next to their cars.
23
24 RB: Okay. Did you have any conversations with them?
25
26 RR: Um, one of 'em happened to be my, uh -- my district
27 lieutenant, and, uh, he didn't say much, other than,
28 uh, I believe they're heading that way, or something
29 like that.
30
31 RB: Okay. And what's his name?
32
33 RR: Uh, Jim Murray.
34
35 RB: Okay. Um, at that time, did you believe it was
36 still -- or did the information that you'd been
37 provided lead you to believe that it was still an
38 active shooter situation?
39
40 RR: The information that we got immediately while we
41 were getting ready to load onto the BearCat was that
42 the suspect was still in the building.
43
44 RB: Okay. Um, if you could characterize how many, um,
45 law enforcement officers you saw out here, um,
46 standing by their vehicles or, uh, holding the
47 position on the -- could -- could you estimate a
48 number?
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3 RB: Do you -- do you recall who the captain was?
4
5 RR: Uh, Glassman.
6
7 RB: Okay. And they were out here in the Holmberg area?
8
9 RR: They were out -- they were out -- yeah, I think we
10 -- T passed them as we were coming through. I
11 passed them with my vehicle, so they were behind me.
12
13 RB: Okay.
14
15 RR: Um, I think the captain tried to tell me about
16 someone to go see about information, but we were
17 getting our information from SWAT command, so I,
18 sort of, just bypassed them.
19
20 RB: Okay. So, um, once you got on the BearCat and made
21 your way here, you, um -- you got off -- and you've
22 drawn exits. You're on the north of Building 13?
23
24 RR: Right. Yes.
25
26 RB: So, from there, where did you go?
27
28 RR: Um, from there, uh, I got information from SWAT
29 command to split the team into two, which I did. I
30 split it into two groups. And, uh, I -- when I went
31 back to give, uh -- give some instruction to the
32 first group, uh, one of the SWAT operators had come
33 out of Building 12 and requested more units. So,
34 they immediately complied and off they went, and
35 once they went, the rest of the team just followed.
36
37 RB: You said that you were communicating with SWAT
38 command. Um, tell me a little bit about --
39
40 RR: Sergeant Hickox.
41
42 RB: Okay. So, was he on-scene?
43
44 RR: He was on-scene.
45
46 RB: Okay. Do you know where he was at?
47
48 RR: He was at the BearCat.
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3 RR: Verbally, face-to-face.
4
5 RB: Okay. So, um, did you ever try to communicate with
6 your radio at all?
7
8 RR: Yes. Once I made entry into the building, I started
9 trying to communicate via the radio, and that's when
10 I came into the problems.
11
12 RB: Okay. Well then, we'll go back to the -- to, um --
13 I'll take you back, then, and you can tell about the
14 radio as we move forward. So, once you got here,
15 you got a request for, um, a -- a SWAT operator
16 who's inside has requested more guys to come inside
17 the building?
18
19 RR: Yes.
20
21 RB: So, you split the teams -- or you had already split
22 the teams into two. You sent a team, um, in.
23
24 RR: Well, the -- the -- the SWAT after I had already
25 split the team into two, the SWAT operator requested
26 one of the teams to enter --
27
28 RB: Uh-huh.
29
30 RR: and they complied. When somebody asks for help,
31 we -- we send it.
32
33 RB: Uh-huh.
34
35 RR: Um, so once that team was committed, I just joined
36 them.
37
38 RB: Okay. So, you went with the first unit?
39
40 RR: Yes.
41
42 RB: Okay. So, um, take me up to the -- the entry point.
43 When you came inside the building --
44
45 RR: Okay.
46
47 RB: -- what did you do?
48
49 RR: As, uh -- as we're walking up to the front entry of
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1 up. Urn, he looked deceased. And a female.
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3 RB: Okay. Uh, was this on the west side of --
4
5 RR: This was on the west side of the 1200 building.
6
7 RB: Okay. So, you -- you saw, uh -- I believe, that'd
8 be Coach Feis.
9
10 RR: That's -- we -- we found that out later.
11
12 RB: Okay. And then, a female was also outside,
13 deceased?
14
15 RR: Uh, yes.
16
17 RB: Okay. Urn, so, from there, what's -- did -- did you
18 render any service or did you go inside?
19
20 RR: I -- I went inside.
21
22 RB: Okay. Once you made your way inside the building
23 did you, urn -- did you encounter any other law
24 enforcement personnel that may have --
25
26 RR: Yes.
27
28 RB: -- already been inside?
29
30 RR: Um, as soon as we made entry, there was other law
31 enforcement officers there, and we were being told
32 to go upstairs.
33
34 RB: Okay. So, which floor did you go to?
35
36 RR: Um, I believe we went to third floor. That's where
37 I ended up, on the third floor.
38
39 RB: Okay. Um, were you being relayed any additional
40 information via your radio at this point about the,
41 urn the location of the shooter?
42
43 RR: At at that point, the information that I had
44 received was that the shooter was still in the
45 building.
46
47 RB: Okay.
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49 RR: 'Cause as I was clearing, I remember having that
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2 stairs, we're expecting to -- to engage.
3
4 RB: Were you told at any point, or did you hear at any
5 point, over the radio that, um, there was someone
6 viewing the surveillance video?
7
8 RR: Yes.
9
10 RB: Um, what were you told about that?
11
12 RR: Well, I was told that someone was viewing the
13 surveillance video, and that the -- they're
14 confirming that the suspect was inside, uh, wearing
15 a gas mask, possibly deploying gas.
16
17 RB: Do you recall where you were in the building when
18 you got that information?
19
20 RR: Um, I think we were still at the BearCat.
21
22 RB: Okay. All right. Um, were you given any other
23 additional information at a later time, concerning
24 his location?
25
26 RR: Yes. Um, I I think simultaneously, as we were
27 entering on the bottom floor --
28
29 RB: Uh-huh.
30
31 RR: -- it's probable when the information started coming
32 that the suspect might not be there.
33
34 RB: Okay.
35
36 RR: So, I remember going into the third -- in -- into
37 the bottom floor, and going up the stairs with that
38 heightened sense of awareness and then getting
39 information that, um, the video was delayed.
40
41 RB: Okay. Um, so, you proceeded to .the third floor?
42
43 RR: Third floor.
44
45 RB: Um, and cleared the third floor? Is that what you
46
47
48 RR: Well, once we made it to the third floor and we
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2 RB: Yeah, tell me a little bit more about that. So, you
3 said that you, um -- that you were trying to get on
4 your radio --
5
6 RR: Yes.
7
8 RB: -- communicate. What -- what kind of issues were
9 you having?
10
11 RR: Um, I was either not able to transmit, or I -- I
12 keyed up and I would speak, but I would get no
13 response from anyone. Or, um, I remember standing
14 next to a Coral Springs officer, and he's receiving
15 constant flow of information and my radio's quiet.
16
17 RB: Okay. So, were you, um -- so, you were in
18 communication with Coral Springs, as far as being
19 able to relay information --
20
21 RR: Well
22
23 RB: from
24
25 RR: I --
26
27 RB: At least from him to you?
28
29 RR: I was only next to him for a second.
30
31 RB: Okay.
32
33 RR: As -- in in passing.
34
35 RB: Okay.
36
37 RR: I was able to hear that he was getting information
38 on his radio, but I was not.
39
40 RB: So, how were you guys being able, um, to communicate
41 with any of the outside sources or anything like
42 that?
43
44 RR: Face-to-face.
45
46 RB: Face-to-face?
47
48 RR: Face-to-face. I remember at -- at some point, I
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2 RB: Okay.
3
4 RR: Um, eventually we chose to switch to a direct
5 channel, which allowed us to communicate with each
6 other --
7
8 RB: So, talk-around channel, like a --
9
10 RR: Yes.
11
12 RB: -- radio-to-radio
13
14 RR: Yep.
15
16 RB: -- versus going to a repeater on a tower?
17
18 RR: Yep . The
19
20 RB: Okay.
21
22 RR: The drawback to that was we get no more information
23 from Dispatch.
24
25 RB: Okay. Um, when you were looking at the map here,
26 where was the command post set at?
27
28 RR: Um, my best recollection was that they set up the
29 command -- the tactical command post was at the
30 BearCat.
31
32 RB: Okay.
33
34 RR: I don't
35
36 RB: So your runner was going from --
37
38 RR: From --
39
40 RB: from out the west side door back and forth to the
41
42
43 RR: Yes.
44
45 RB: -- to where the BearCat is where you were
46 off-loading? Okay. While you were on-scene, did
47 you ever hear any gunshots?
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49 RR: No.
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1 RB: No? Um, did you have any interaction with Scot
2 Peterson while you were on the scene?
3
4 RR: None.
5
6 RB: Um, so, back on the third floor. Um, as you
7 switched over to your talk-around what was -- what
8 was your next action?
9
10 RR: The next action was, uh, we set up what we call a
11 corridor. Um, I forget who I told to set the
12 corridor down the stairwell. Have deputies on each
13 one. We -- we run with the plus-one rule. If
14 there's one shooter, there's possibly two. So, our
15 -- our sense of security was never dropped.
16
17 RB: Uh-huh.
18
19 RR: Um, so, I told somebody set up a corridor to
20 evacuate down the west stairwell out to the parking
21 lot. And, uh, we started, uh, clearing rooms. Uh,
22 we cleared the room to the back first. We didn't
23 find anybody there. And then, as we moved down the
24 hallway, we were clearing rooms left and right.
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26 RB : 0 ka y . Um - -
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28 RR: There were -- there were, um, victims still on the
29 floors, and I -- I directed medics and SWAT
30 operators, "Hey, make sure -- check that person.
31 Check that person. Make sure that one is viable."
32
33 RB: Okay. Were -- when you were out on the third floor,
34 was there any law enforcement personnel on the floor
35 already?
36
37 RR: I believe at the top of the stairs near the -- the
38 backpack and the gun, uh, was, uh, one guy.
39
40 RB: Okay. So, when you made entry
41
42 RR: Blue -- blue uniform.
43
44 RB: When you made entry into the hallway, though, it was
45 just you guys?
46
47 RR: Um, I wasn't the first --
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49 RB: To --
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2
3 RB: Okay.
4
5 RR: I was
6
7 RB: But when you made your way in, did you see anybody
8 else, other than who you came in with?
9
10 RR: There might've been. I remember on the third floor,
11 telling another agency's person to hold cover on
12 something. So, I don't know if she came after or
13 she was already there. I --
14
15 RB: Okay. You --
16
17 RR: don't remember.
18
19 RB: -- were just focused on --
20
21 RR: Yeah.
22
23 RB: Okay.
24
25 RR: I was just trying to direct
26
27 RB: Understood. Okay. Um, let me see. Make sure I
28 covered all the bases here. I, kind of, wanna
29 switch gears for a minute. And -- and this will be
30 -- um, some of these may be two-part questions for
31 you --
32
33 RR: Okay.
34
35 RB: -- because of being on SWAT, and, obviously, you
36 guys train more -- at -- at a higher frequency. Um,
37 so, you can answer them as it pertains to you as a
38 SWAT member, but it could also pertain to you as a
39 deputy sheriff --
40
41 RR: Okay.
42
43 RB: -- as well. Okay. Um, does your agency have an
44 active shooter policy?
45
46 RR: Yes.
47
48 RB: When -- um, does your agency train in active shooter
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1 RR: When do they?
2
3 RB: No. Does your
4
5 RR: Yes.
6
7 RB: Does the agency --
8
9 RR: Yeah.
10
11 RB: -- train?
12
13 RR: Yes.
14
15 RB: Um, so, obviously, as a -- a SWAT operator, as a
16 team leader --
17
18 RR: Yes.
19
20 RB: -- um, you guys are gonna train frequently. Um, do
21 you recall the last time you received training as a
22 -- from the agency outside of SWAT?
23
24 RR: Oh, I -- I don't remember. I don't wanna guess.
25
26 RB: Okay.
27
28 RR: Maybe a year or two.
29
30 RB: So -- so, you have had some kind of training in --
31
32 RR: Yes. As a matter of fact, at at the district
33 where I work, I taught active shooter to all of our
34 shifts.
35
36 RB: Okay.
37
38 RR: And that was probably two years ago.
39
40 RB: Okay. Um, now, switch gears to SWAT. When was the
41 last time that you, um, participated in training in
42 and this would be prior to the school shooting.
43 Do you
44
45 RR: Okay. In a -- in a specific active shooter training
46 -- I don't know the exact date, but we train for
47 active shootings on a regular basis. We call it
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2 RR: So, anytime we hear gunfire, we have to move to the
3 gunfire. That's a response to an active shooter.
4
5 RB: Okay.
6
7 RR: Um, we did that as recently as last week.
8
9 RB: Okay. Um, so, you kind of started to touch on my --
10 my next question is, um, what does the agency's, um,
11 training instruct you to do in an active shooter
12 situation?
13
14 RR: The last training that I went to, we were told that
15 you have to go the, uh, active intelligence, uh,
16 whether it be gunfire or someone telling you there's
17 a guy over there stabbing people. Um, as a single
18 responding officer, if you have to take action, you
19 may or you should. Um, but they request that if you
20 have immediate backup arriving, that you coordinate
21 with at least three or four guys before going in as
22 a team.
23
24 RB: Okay. So, you -- you may, as an individual -- and
25 I'm just recapping to
26
27 RR: Yes.
28
29 RB: -- make sure I'm following correctly. So, you may,
30 as an individual -- if you're the first person on
31 the scene, by policy, um, go and address the threat?
32
33 RR: Yes.
34
35 RB: But also, um, the training says if you've got
36 somebody that's ~ight on your heels or -- it's
37
38 RR: Yes. Take them with you.
39
40 RB: Take -- take it on with -- with someone else.
41
42 RR: Yes.
43
44 RB: Okay. And so, is that -- is that also what the
45 training, um, conducts, as far as -- because I've
46 been doing this a little while, too.
47
48 RR: Right.
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1 the -- the old-school way of, you know, wait for
2 four guys, and, you know, the various
3 (unintelligible), and, you know, all these things.
4 Um, so, as it relates to that is -- does that start
5 to come into play still or --
6
7 RR: Yes . Yes .
8
9 RB: Okay.
10
11 RR: If -- if you have four guys, they want you to get
12 into the formation, and then use the utilities and
13 clear rooms that way. Um --
14
15 RB: Okay.
16
17 RR: But if you are the sole person, I believe the -- I'm
18 -- I'm trying to -- I don't wanna quote, because I'm
19 -- I'm just coming out from memory, but I believe
20 that in one of the PowerPoint slides it says, if
21 you're the sole -- if you're the only one there,
22 then you must go in. Or you should go in.
23
24 RB : 0 ka y . Al 1 right .
25
26 RR: That's -- that's the the, um -- the idea that I
27 got from the training.
28
29 RB: Okay. So, if you got a couple of guys, cool.
30 That's the best response --
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32 RR: Yeah.
33
34 RB: -- but if you're by yourself, you gotta do what you
35 gotta do?
36
37 RR: Yes.
38
39 RB: That's -- that's your take on it?
40
41 RR: They -- they, uh they throw quotes in there,
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44 RB : Uh- huh .
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46 RR: "-- has a better chance than an unarmed II

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4 RR: Yes.
5
6 RB: it's -- it's on you to -- to stop it.
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8 RR: To take action.
9
10 RB: Okay. All right. Anything else or --
11
12 JR: No.
13
14 RB: All right. Um, here we go. In regards to this
15 investigation, is there anything that either I have
16 failed to ask or anything you would like to add or
17 clarify in your statement today?
18
19 RR: No.
20
21 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
22 providing your statement today?
23
24 RR: No.
25
26 RB: Has the information that you provided during this
27 interview been the truth, to the best of your
28 knowledge or recollection?
29
30 RR : Yes , sir .
31
32 RB: This interview is concluded at approximately 4:08
33 p.m.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY TIMOTHY ROBERTS, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/16/18)
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4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 LN SPECIAL AGENT SUPERVISOR LUIS NEGRETE
9 TR DEPUTY TIMOTHY ROBERTS
10
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12 RB: The date is May 16th, 2018. The time is approximately
13 2:01 p.m. I am Inspector Randy Brown of the Office
14 of Executive Investigations. Also, present at this
15 time is SAS Luis Negrete. The location of this
16 interview is 2300 High Ridge Road, Boynton Beach,
17 Florida. I will be questioning -- if you would,
18 first, state your name?
19
20 TR: Deputy Timothy Roberts
21
22 RB: as a witness in an official FDLE investigation,
23 case number EI-26-0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is
24 the inspector in charge of this investigation. On
25 February 25th, 2018 Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
26 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
27 shooting in Parkland.
28
29 For the record, I would like to clarify that this is
30 a witness statement being given by you as part of
31 the investigation into the law enforcement response
32 to the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas school shooting
33 that occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
34 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
35 to provide this statement. Do you understand that?
36
37 TR: Yes.
38
39 RB: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
40 aware of the following, this interview is being
41 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement office, I'm
42 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
43 In a moment I'll be taking a sworn statement from
44 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
45 provide false statements you can be criminally
46 charged with perjury. Do you understand those items?
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48 TR: Yes.
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1 or affirm the information you're about to give today
2 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
3 truth, so help you God?
4
5 TR: I do.
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7 RB: Thank you, sir. If you would, please, state your
8 full name and place of employment.
9
10 TR: Timothy Johns Roberts. And I'm employed with the
11 Broward Sheriff's Office.
12
13 RB: How long have you been employed by BSO?
14
15 TR: Seventeen-and-a-half years now.
16
17 RB: And what is your current assignment?
18
19 TR: Uh, patrol canine handler.
20
21 RB: Okay. Um, how long have you been in law enforcement?
22
23 TR: A little over 20 years total.
24
25 RB: Okay. Um, I'd like to take you back to February 14th
26 of this year. Um, how did first hear of the active
27 shooter situation at Stoneman Douglas High School?
28
29 TR: A fellow handler called me on my cell phone and told
30 me that he had heard an active shooter was going on.
31 He was not working at the time, but he knew I was
32 working during the daytime, so he called me to
33 respond.
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35 RB: Do you recall where you were when you got that call?
36
37 TR: Yes. I was -- I think it's about the 2100 block of
38 Cypress Creek Road. Right by the Calvary Chapel
39 Church in the City of Fort Lauderdale.
40
41 RB: Okay. And once you got that information, um, what
42 did you do next?
43
44 TR: I switched over the radio channel that Parkland
45 dispatch is off of. Um, did not hear anything, but I
46 responded, uh, Code 3, lights and sirens, on the way
47 up there.
48
49 RB: Okay. Um, do you recall about how long it took you
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2 TR: I would say between 15 and 20 minutes. It's quite a
3 distance up there.
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5 RB: Okay. Um, did you learn of any new information while
6 you were in route, be it by radio or, um, telephone?
7
8 TR: No, I did not.
9
10 RB: Okay. Um, when you -- so -- so, when you arrived on
11 scene you weren't aware of what specific building
12 the shooting had occurred in, or any -- anything
13 other than a shooting had happened?
14
15 TR: I had no information prior to my arrival, no.
16
17 RB: Okay. Um, do you recall when you arrived on scene
18 where you parked your vehicle?
19
20 TR: I parked it on Holmberg Road. I got off the Sawgrass
21 Expressway.
22
23 LN: Do you mind marking --
24
25 TR: Marking? Um -- and it was -- I came in off of Coral
26 Ridge and the -- and the Sawgrass. So, that would be
27 let's see here.
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29 LN: To the west?
30
31 TR: Yeah. It would be to the west of, uh -- 'cause I
32 stopped short of the -- the driveway that -- the
33 main gate that leads in there. So, it was somewhere
34 -- I had an overlook of, like, the football field or
35 practice, whatever ball fields that were, so, maybe
36 that's not to scale exactly. But --
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38 LN : It ' s okay .
39
40 TR: -- so, that would be -- let's see. Holmberg runs
41 what, east and west?
42
43 LN: Uh-huh.
44
45 TR: I guess, that would be north and west of the actual
46 building at the time where I saw 9ther deputies had
47 already parked.
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49 RB: Okay. Um, when you exited the vehicle, um, did you
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4 RB: -- specifically like --
5
6 TR: Oh.
7
8 RB: -- um, was ~ were people -- and, I guess, what I'd
9 like you to elaborate on is, did you notice if
10 people were kind of taking up a position behind a
11 vehicle or were they kinda gathering things and
12 pushing towards the building?
13
14 TR: The reason -- one of the reasons why I stopped there
15 was there was, uh -- a Broward Sheriff's Office
16 marked unit, uh, parked either in the street or up
17 on the median, but near me on Holmberg Road, with a
18 deputy with his rifle, um, you know, with a position
19 of cover over the hood of his car pointed towards
20 the campus. So, I figured he knew what was going on.
21 That's one of the reasons why I stopped there to
22 find out more information at the time.
23
24 RB: Okay. And so, did they share information with you
25 when you got there?
26
27 TR: I asked him --
28
29 RB: Did you speak with him?
30
31 TR: I did speak with him, yes.
32
33 RB: Okay. What did he tell you?
34
35 TR: He said he heard shots when he pulled up, um, and
36 they had multiple descriptions of what the shooter
37 was supposed to be wearing. Um -- so, he didn't
38 clarify a whole lot for me. Um -- and then right
39 after he just told me he doesn't know where the
40 shooter is, what he's wearing, um, but he hadn't
41 heard the shots in a while. Pointed out some bullet
42 holes in the window of the 1200 Building, I believe
43 it was, that you could see up on the third floor.
44 That that definitely was the building where the
45 shots were coming from. Um, right about then is when
46 our SWAT team pulled up and I, uh, teamed up with
47 them.
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1 TR I -- I do not. He -- he was assigned to Parkland,
2 but I -- I don't know him.
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4 LN: What about the deputy who called you, who was off
5 duty, initially?
6
7 TR: Deputy, uh, Jeff Beckelheimer.
8
9 LN: Okay.
10
11 RB: Did he say how he found out, being off duty, that
12 there was a shooting?
13
14 TR: I don't recall if he said how he heard or not. No, I
15 don't.
16
17 RB: Okay. So, you joined up with the SWAT team?
18
19 TR: Yes.
20
21 RB: Uh, did you bring your dog with you?
22
23 TR: Not at this time, no, I did not.
24
25 RB: Okay. Um -- so, when you joined up with the SWAT
26 team, what -- how did you guys move in? What did
27 what did you do?
28
29 TR: We gathered up in in our armored vehicle, via the
30 BearCat was there, um, 'cause they were coming from
31 training. Wednesday is a training day, so they were
32 all together with that. When, uh -- uh, we jumped in
33 the back of that and rolled -- rolled up through the
34 gates, um, so we would have, uh --
35
36 RB: Through --
37
38 TR: through that main gate up, uh, as --
39
40 LN: In front of the 13th Building?
41
42 TR: in front, yes.
43
44 LN: Okay.
45
46 TR: And then maybe even bumped up on a sidewalk or a
47 curb, or something. Unloaded. And then we approached
48 the, uh -- the 1200 Building.
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2 inside the building, or whether he had exited?
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4 TR: At that time, we did not know, no.
5
6 RB: Okay. Um, did you hear any shots while you were on
7 campus?
8
9 TR: I did not.
10
11 RB: Um, as far as radio goes, um, with, uh, either
12 sending or receiving, um, any information through
13 the radio, did you have, uh -- experience any
14 difficulties, um, with -- with radio service or
15 signal?
16
17 TR: The -- the main dispatch channel that Parkland works
18 off of, nothing was coming acroas on that. When the
19 SWAT team, when we got on -- on -- on scene, we went
20 to the SWAT channel so we could talk to each other
21 and do our thing on that channel.
22
23 RB: Okay.
24
25 TR: Um
26
27 RB: Is that channel -- do you know, is it like a talk-
28 around channel that works radio to radio to radio
29 versus --
30
31 TR: Have them go off a tower?
32
33 RB: -- going to (unintelligible)
34
35 TR: No. This this one, it's not like a direct channel
36 like that on the one we went to. It would have to go
37 off, uh -- a tower.
38
39 RB: Okay. Um -- so, then, uh, once, uh -- once you guys
40 made your approach, um, did you enter the 1200
41 Building?
42
43 TR: Yes.
44
45 LN: On which side?
46
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2 responsibility?
3
4 TR: I was the last in with the SWAT team. They were
5 clearing that stairwell going up. Um, I would say
6 before we reached the second floor, so maybe I was
7 half-way up the landing, the SWAT team, some of
8 those guys were making entry on the second floor
9 through the door. Our medics were bringing a female
10 down on a stretcher and they said, you know, provide
11 security for them. Um, so, I didn't make it into the
12 second-floor hallway, um, I turned around. Then I
13 escorted the SWAT medics who had a patient on the
14 stretcher back outside that west door, um, where
15 they assessed her, where she turned out to be
16 deceased.
17
18 RB: Was this -- they were coming from the third floor?
19
20 TR: Coming from the second floor -- or I never made in
21 the second floor --
22
23 RB: Okay.
24
25 TR: -- but they were coming down as I was going up. So,
26 I don't know exactly where
27
28 LN: So, you don't know if they -
29
30 TR: -- I don't know where that patient exactly came
31 from.
32
33 LN: Okay.
34
35 TR: When I came in contact with them, it was on the --
36 mid -- on the stairwell between the first and second
37 floors.
38
39 LN: Gotcha. Okay.
40
41 RB: Okay. Um -- so, you -- once jou provided, um, cover
42 for -- for that, uh, victim and the medics, um, it
43 says you stayed outside the building.
44
45 TR: Yes.
46
47 RB: Um, what what did you do then?
48
49 TR: I just held security on -- on that building. Um, in
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1 want anybody else going up the same place and
2 everything like that, so. And there was another
3 victim. The, uh -- I believe it was the assistant
4 football coach was outside that door, too.
5
6 RB: Okay.
7
8 TR: So, there was two deceased bodies out there. Urn, so,
9 I just kind of stayed there and watched them until
10 they finished inside the building.
11
12 RB: Okay. Do you recall about how long you stood there
13 at that -- that post?
14
15 TR: At that exact one, urn, I -- maybe -- maybe 30
16 minutes because then they started talking about we
17 needed to start escorting the other kids out. So,
18 then it was -- actually it was more than that,
19 'cause I think we -- we emptied that 1200 Building
20 first to get the students out of there. So, then it
21 was, basically, we're bringing some of them out that
22 doorway. So, we -- we set up, basically, like, uh --
23 you know, a line of -- steering them, herding them
24 in the right direction right there. So, it may have
25 been more than 30. Forty-five minutes or so, I would
26 say.
27
28 RB: Okay. All right. Urn, at any point, while you were on
29 the scene, did you make your way to the, urn, east
30 side of Building 1200?
31
32 TR: I was never on the east side of Building 1200, no.
33
34 RB: Okay. Urn --
35
36 LN: Did you --
37
38 RB: Go ahead.
39
40 LN: did you ever interact with, uh, Deputy Peterson?
41
42 TR: No. I didn't see him.
43
44 LN: Okay.
45
46 RB: I wanna kinda switch gears for a little bit. Urn,
47 does, uh -- does your agency have an active shooter
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3 active shooter situations?
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5 TR: Yes, we do.
6
7 RB: Uh, do you know how often?
8
9 TR: I -- I don't know how often.
10
11 RB: Do you recall when the last time you participated in
12 an active shooter training course?
13
14 TR: Uh, the last time was within the last month. Um, our
15 normal in-service training included that. Prior to
16 that it had been, probably, a couple years.
17
18 RB: Okay. Um, thinking about the training that you had
19 prior to the one that was last month, so the last
20 training that you had before this shooting --
21
22 TR: Uh-huh.
23
24 RB: -- um, what was -- what did that training instruct
25 you to do during an active shooter situation?
26
27 TR: Take what you have as far as resources, whether that
28 be two, three, four deputies, and go in as soon as
29 you can to locate and -- and stop the threat.
30
31 RB: Um, if you don't have any resources and it's just
32 you, is there any specific instruction, um, as to
33 to what to do in that situation?
34
35 TR: I don't remember if they touched on if you're the
36 only one there what you have to do. I -- I don't
37 remember either way.
38
39 RB: Okay. All right.
40
41 JN: No.
42
43 RB: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
44 that either I failed to ask or anything that you
45 would like to add or clarify in your statement
46 today?
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5 RB: Has the information that you have provided during
6 the interview been the truth, to the best of your
7 knowledge or recollection?
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9 TR: Yes.
10
11 RB: This interview is concluded at -- is it 2?
12
13 LN: 2: 13.
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15 RB: 2:13 p.m. Uh, I may have actually said that we
16 started, just for the record, um, at 1
17
18 TR: No. You said 2: 01.
19
20 RB: -- did I say? Okay.
21
22 TR: Yeah. You said 2: 01.
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24 TR: Well, if we do, we got this here for the record.
25 Thank you.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT RICHARD ROSSMAN, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/16/18)
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4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
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7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 RR SERGEANT RICHARD ROSSMAN
10 GL IOPA ATTORNEY GARY LIPPMAN
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12 MP: The date is Wednesday, May 16, 2018. The time now
13 is approximately 9:57 a.m. I am Inspector Meschelle
14 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
15 Also present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
16 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
17 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. We will be
18 questioning Mr. Richard Rossman as a witness in an
19 official FDLE Investigation, Case Number EI-26-0079.
20 Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
21 investigation. Also present at this time is Mr.
22 Rossman's attorney.
23
24 GL: Gary Lippman, IOPA.
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26 MP: Okay. Um, on February 25th, 2018, Florida Governor
27 Rick Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
28 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
29 For the record, I would like to clarify that this is
30 a witness statement being given by you as part of
31 this investigation into the law enforcement response
32 to the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school shooting that
33 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
34 subpoenaed to appear today, and you are being
35 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
36 understand that?
37
38 RR: Yes , ma ' am.
39
40 MP: Okay. Also for the record, uh, we provided you with
41 a copy of your statement that you presented shortly
42 after the incident. Do you feel that had adequately
43 enough time to review your statement?
44
45 RR: Yes, from my police report. Uh-huh.
46
47 MP: Okay. Did you need additional time to review it?
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49 RR: I'm fine.
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1 MP: All right. And feel free to refer to it any time
2 during the, um, interview here, okay?
3
4 RR: Sure.
5
6 MP: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
7 aware of the following. This interview is being
8 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
9 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
10 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
11 you. You will be under oath and, if you knowingly
12 provide false statements, you can be criminally
13 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
14 items I have just informed you of?
15
16 RR: Yes , ma ' am.
17
18 MP: Okay. Please raise your right hand. Let the record
19 reflect that he has raised his right hand. Do you
20 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you
21 are about to give today is the truth, the whole
22 truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
23
24 RR: I do.
25
26 MP: Okay. For the record, please state your full name.
27
28 RR: Richard Rossman, R-0-S-S -- as in Sam -- M-A-N.
29
30 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
31
32 RR: I'm a sergeant currently assigned to the Tamarac
33 District Criminal Investigations Unit.
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35 MP: Okay. And how long have you been with BSO?
36
37 RR: Uh, about 23 years. I'm in my -- I'm into my 23rd
38 year now.
39
40 MP: Okay. And various positions before now?
41
42 RR: Yes, ma'am. But predominantly all in
43 Investigations.
44
45 MP: Okay.
46
47 RR: And/or as a detective or supervising investigative
48 units.
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2 questions. I'll let him start.
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4 TC: Um, going back to February 14, 2018, and -- and --
5 the response to Marjory Stoneman Douglas, uh, High
6 School, um, do you recall what your radio call sign
7 was that day?
8
9 RR: Yes. I was, uh, 7 Kilo 1.
10
11 TC: 7 Kilo 1?
12
13 RR : Yes , sir .
14
15 TC: Okay.
16
17 RR: And that's always.
18
19 TC: Gotcha. Um, do you recall what radio channels you
20 utilized that day?
21
22 RR: Uh, we work off of 8 Alpha.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 RR: And, on 8 Alpha is the Tamarac District.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 RR: North Lauderdale. And Parkland.
31
32 TC: Okay. Yeah, we've heard it referred to as the
33 Parkland channel. But they said there might've been
34 some other ones.
35
36 RR: Yes.
37
38 TC: So, you're saying Tamarac, North Lauderdale,
39 Parkland use 8 Alpha?
40
41 RR: Correct.
42
43 TC: Okay. Um, during that time -- during the response,
44 at any time, did you have a body-worn camera?
45
46 RR: Once I arrived on scene, I -- I, uh -- I put it on,
47 yes.
48
49 TC: Okay. Are those identified -- are they specifically
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3 RR: No, I believe they're unique -- uniquely assigned to
4 us and digitally, you know, through an IEN, or
5 however, digitally. Uh, it's -- it's mine.
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 RR: I have two of them.
10
11 MP: Uh-huh.
12
13 TC: Okay. And do you know which one, by chance, you
14 used that -- utilized that day?
15
16 RR: As the battery goes dead on one, you put another one
17 in.
18
19 TC: You just -- got it. Okay. And, um, and just to
20 reflect, um, we had you review the report from, uh,
21 Broward Sheriff's Office, Case Number 171802000525.
22 Um, and, to the best of your knowledge, this is the
23 supplemental report you wrote for this incident?
24
25 RR : Yes , sir .
26
27 TC: Is that correct? Okay. Um, and, kind of, we just,
28 kind of, want to start out with you, how you got
29 involved, how you got notified of the incident, and,
30 uh, where you responded from and, you know, what you
31 heard going to the scene.
32
33 RR: I was at, uh, our district office, our -- the
34 Tamarac District Office. Um, when, uh, we heard
35 I believe it was, uh -- it was initially, uh, uh, a
36 dispatch saying that there was a -- a shooting, or a
37 possible shooting at, um, Stoneman Douglas.
38
39 MP: So, it came over the radio?
40
41 RR: Yes.
42
43 MP: That 8 Alpha channel?
44
45 RR: Yes, ma'am.
46
47 MP: Okay.
48
49 RR: Um, hoping for the worst, not thinking that the
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2 firecrackers. I heard something about firecrackers.
3 And that, in my mind, seemed right. That's what it
4 should be.
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6 TC: Right.
7
8 RR: Uh, and then, after that, people said that there
9 were victims. There was a victim, um, and that's
10 when it, you know, got real real. But, uh, that's -
11 - at that point, I was already working my way to the
12 car, to my patrol car. And --
13
14 MP: And all this information you were receiving over the
15 radio?
16
17 RR : Yes , ma ' am.
18
19 MP: Okay. Okay.
20
21 RR: Um, once we knew we had victims and had an active
22 shooter, um, I responded from, uh, the Tamarac
23 District Office, which is 7515 Northwest 88th Avenue,
24 Pine Island Road.
25
26 MP: Okay.
27
28 TC: (Unintelligible)
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30 RR: I drove due north on Pine Island Road, was my route.
31
32 MP: Do you recall what -- around what time it was?
33
34 RR: Uh, 2:00 in the afternoon. I mean, mid-afternoon.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 RR: I mean, I can recall -- I mean, at approximately
39 1430 hours.
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 TC: Do you recall if you made any radio transmissions?
44 Maybe what's reflected in the CAD when you were en
45 route?
46
47 RR: Not initially, no.
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3 TC: Sure.
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5 MP: Just concerned.
6
7 TC: Um, I guess we'll go to the map. Where you're en
8 route, um, if you can just, kind of, draw where you
9
10
11 MP: You said you came in off of Pine Island Road then?
12
13 RR: Yeah. Like I said, just monitored -- just continued
14 to, you know -- as I was en route, no need to get on
15 the radio. Just monitor the radio and heard, you
16 know, I believe it was a captain was on the radio,
17 said --
18
19 MP: Uh-huh.
20
21 RR: -- uh, uh, something about a perimeter and evacuate
22 the school. There was some other people that were
23 trying to, um, get the resources, stage the
24 resources, the response. But my -- my response was
25 north on Pine Island. Um, as soon as I came to the
26 school is where I stopped. So, I was -- I would've
27 stopped at the southeast portion, the southeast
28 gate, what's known as the "southeast gate" now.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 RR: That's where I stopped my, uh --
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 RR: my vehicle.
37
38 MP: If you could show us there, on the map there.
39
40 TC: Yeah. Can --
41
42 MP: That's just a closer-up of -- of this.
43
44 RR: Right. I'm gonna be -- this is the canal. Wherever
45 the southeast gate is, somewhere in here.
46
47 TC: Okay. And then on -- is it better reflected on this
48 map?
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2
3 RR: Yeah. This.
4
5 TC: And --
6
7 RR: I would've been in here. Right -- right -- right in
8 this area
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 RR: -- is where I stopped my patrol vehicle.
13
14 MP: Okay.
15
16 TC: All right. And then can --
17
18 RR: Uh, uh, when I stopped my patrol vehicle, um, I
19 started to don my -- my tactical vest. At that
20 point, I activated my body-worn camera because I
21 don't wear -- I don't use it all the time.
22
23 TC: Uh-huh.
24
25 RR: Only a -- a quick coincidence such as this --
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 RR: -- I -- I put it on. So, I put on my body-worn
30 camera. I activated it. Which, I believe, I would
31 time at approximately 1439 hours, is when I
32 activated my body-worn camera, which would've been
33 right at -- upon my arrival.
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 RR: I grabbed my rifle, and went in on -- on foot. The
38 building that I went to, Building -- I -- I was at
39 Building 1.
40
41 TC: Okay.
42
43 RR: The southeast corner. And I never left that
44 building.
45
46 TC: Okay. So, the, uh, Building 1.
47
48 RR: Right here.
49
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2
3 RR: Not even. I ended up -- when I responded, there was
4 already police officers. A lot of police officers
5 already there, out of their vehicles, and people
6 were already at that building and further on.
7
8 TC: Okay.
9
10 MP: Can you recall which agency, law enforcement agency
11 personnel were at the
12
13 RR: I saw Coral Springs.
14
15 MP: Uh-huh.
16
17 RR: Um, there was Coral Springs police officers there.
18 BSO officers. I believe that was the --
19 predominantly at that time. It was BSO and Coral
20 Springs.
21
22 MP: Okay. And what -- when you say you saw them, they
23 were setting a perimeter or were they --
24
25 RR: They were --
26
27 MP: -- going into the building?
28
29 RR: There were police officers everywhere. Uh, like I
30 said, there was police cars all along Pine Island
31 Road, all along the swale, already by the time I had
32 arrived there.
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 RR: When I got to the building, this building, the
37 southeast corner, um, I recognized somebody of, uh,
38 command there. Um, the assistant police chief of
39 Coral Springs was there.
40
41 MP: Okay. And he was in that area?
42
43 RR: Uh-huh.
44
45 MP: Okay.
46
47 TC: Do you recall his name?
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2
3 RR: Shawn Becker.
4
5 TC: All right. And then -- and I know, you know, based
6 on the time when you got there, um, more than likely
7 now, but did you hear any gunshots when you arrived?
8
9 RR: No.
10
11 TC: But would --
12
13 RR: He was gone, actually.
14
15 TC: You're right.
16
17 RR: Investigation will reveal shortly after.
18
19 TC: We just want to be consistent. Asking everybody.
20
21 RR: Yup. Nope.
22
23 TC: To make sure he's
24
25 RR: He was -- he -- I I did not hear any gunshots.
26
27 TC: Okay. Um, so if you can walk us through, because I
28 know in your report you talk about interacting with
29 some of the school employees.
30
31 RR: Uh-huh.
32
33 TC: And they appeared to make statements to you about
34 what they saw --
35
36 RR: Uh-huh.
37
38 TC: -- prior to this shooting, and as it was going on.
39 So, if you can elaborate on that.
40
41 RR: Well, my -- my response was to this point here. Um,
42 once I really -- I -- I was with somebody from Coral
43 Springs command. Um, I wanted to get -- you'll hear
44 during the radio transmissions, um, I come over the
45 air once or twice trying to - and also, my body-
46 worn camera -- trying to, uh, patch our radio
47 channels. Us and Coral Springs. We work on two
48 different channels.
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1 RR: I'm talking to the, um, assistant chief a couple
2 times, asking to try to do this. We're back and
3 forth. Um, the radios were a mess. So, I had
4 bigger hurdles
5
6 TC: Uh-huh.
7
8 RR: -- to overcome than that. I could've got hung up on
9 that issue, but we let that go. We had to manage
10 we had bigger issues to get through. So we
11
12 MP: But why -- why were you trying to get that
13 connected?
14
15 RR: I -- I wanted to be able to talk to -- I wanted to
16 talk to Coral Springs directly. You know, them
17 working off of things and hearing things and then
18 the information coming second and third-hand, and
19 vice versa. And, also, the school board had their
20 inte~nal radios. So, I'm trying to listen and
21 monitor three different forms of communication under
22 a mass casualty incident. High stress.
23
24 TC: And when you -- when you were doing this, was there
25 a reason they were at this particular location in
26 Building 1?
27
28 RR: No. I -- I'd never been to this school before. I
29 had no idea Building 1, 12, or -- or any building.
30 Um, so, that's where I was. Once I -- I realized my
31 role was gonna be, uh, more of a -- a response in
32 trying to working on our -- our radios, and then,
33 right as I was trying to work through the -- the
34 radio issue, I found a -- a witness. Two witnesses.
35 And then that became my primary function. I no
36 longer -- you know, I knew I had a witness that
37 actually saw the shooter come out of the Uber and
38 enter the school. So, that became my function to
39 debrief
40
41 TC: Uh-huh.
42
43 RR: -- uh, the witness. Get real intel out, rather
44 than, you know, kids that have been shot at.
45
46 MP: Right.
47
48 TC: And what -- so, what time -- and, I -- I believe you
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1 RR: There's two of them. I'll find their names for you.
2
3 MP: The assistant principal is one and --
4
5 RR: One. And then it was -- he's a, um, security
6 specialist
7
8 MP: Right.
9
10 RR: -- was the other one. Uh, yep. Andrew Medina was
11 the security specialist.
12
13 TC: Uh-huh.
14
15 RR: He's the one that actually saw him exit the Uber,
16 and walk into the 1200 Building, and then heard the
17 shots. I was dealing with him. And then, also, the
18 assistant principal, Mr. Porter.
19
20 TC: Okay. In regards to the, uh, Security Specialist
21 Medina, um, once he relays this information, do you
22 try to communicate this via the radio?
23
24 RR: Yes. Um, once I realized, um, I -- my -- my first
25 transmission, which was extremely difficult, you'll
26 see if, you know, my body-worn camera, the -- the
27 radios. I tried to get on. It trunks [phonetic].
28 It keeps trunk -- I -- I can't -- I can't get on the
29 radio. Can't get on the radio. Um, finally I do
30 get on the radio and, um, issued -- you know, gave
31 the BOLO out of the subject. And the BOLO I gave
32 out was really easy because the assistant principal
33 was wearing the same shirt as the shooter. So,
34 basically, looking at the assistant principal and
35 describing what he was almost wearing --
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 RR: -- as, uh, what the shooter was wearing.
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 RR: So, I gave out -- I gave -- I gave the BOLO, some
44 information, and then continued to, uh, work through
45 the incident.
46
47 MP: Just, real quick here, um, when you initially met up
48 with the security specialist and the, um, assistant
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1 scene? Or had they spoken or seen anybody else or
2 relayed this information to them?
3
4 RR: No, ma'am. I -- I -- I don't -- I don't -- I don't
5 recall that.
6
7 MP: Okay.
8
9 TC: Now, this was all going on. Um, were you in the --
10 the room in which they were, um, viewing the video?
11
12 RR: No.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 RR: That never -- that -- there -- I was never in that
17 room. I didn't even know the building I was at was
18 actually the administration building. And from a
19 tactical, um, standpoint, I didn't know if -- at
20 that point, when I met these witnesses, I didn't
21 know where the shooter was. So, once they were out,
22 my job was to make sure they stayed with me, stayed
23 safe. Um, and, as this thing continued to evolve,
24 um, that's when I -- I mentioned to them about, uh,
25 did -- does the school have video?
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 RR: Um, and they said yes. And then trying to get, uh,
30 the video to -- to view the video if there was a
31 person there accessible to view the video.
32
33 TC: Uh-huh.
34
35 RR: And they -- they said yes there was.
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 RR: And then we started to work through that process.
40
41 MP: Okay. And so, were you able to view the video at
42 any point?
43
44 RR: Me, no. None of us. Myself, Mr. Porter, Mr.
45 Medina, none of us viewed it. It was all being
46 relayed through three different forms of
47 communication. Through the school board's radio,
48 uh, our radio. Um, Coral Springs was there also.
49 Um, relaying information to a person, who I never
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1 was reviewing that video, I told them, "Listen, can
2 you find the shooter? Find the shooter on video."
3 That was one of my primary -- I wanted to make sure
4 -- if they could find the shooter on video, we could
5 watch him. They pulled it up. They pulled the
6 video up. They couldn't find the shooter. So then,
7 shortly thereafter, I tell them, "Go back. Let's
8 find him on video."
9
10 MP: Yeah.
11
12 RR: Uh, they go back. And I say, "As soon as you find
13 him on video, let me know," you know.
14
15 TC: And this is being relayed through -- your
16
17 RR : I was - -
18
19 TC: How were you communicating with the person who is in
20 -- who is viewing the video?
21
22 RR: Through Mr. Porter.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 RR: And Mr. Medina.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 RR: I'm telling them, and they're giving that
31 information to them over the school board -- over
32 the school radio.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 RR: And they also were on cell phones. Whether they
37 were communicating with additional people on cell
38 phones and -- you'll see. I -- I mean, my body-worn
39 camera, I get very direct with -- I don't know who
40 it was. One of them, I said, "Stop. You're with
41 me. You're -- get off the phone. You're only gonna
42 do what I tell you to do." Because I -- you know,
43 they were doing the best they could.
44
45 TC: Right.
46
47 RR: But I needed to refocus their attention, and they
48 needed to be -- I needed to be very direct and let
49 them know what I needed done, when I needed it done.
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1 little bit, because I needed to get this
2 information.
3
4 But, during all of this that's going on, the
5 building we were at, somebody made a decision to
6 start taking kids out of that building. And the
7 kids that were coming out of this building were
8 handicapped children with cerebral palsy, in
9 wheelchairs. I had no way I could protect them. So
10 then, well, I had a -- it drew my attention back to,
11 "Listen. We are not -- we're in shelter in place."
12 There's police officers in that building that are
13 gonna protect these kids. I can't take these kids
14 out and get them to Pine Island where other kids
15 that are capctble of running and seeking shelter on
16 their own can do that." So, I got a little direct
17 with some of the police officers and whoever was
18 around me. "No, we're not gonna -- it's shelter in
19 place, especially with these kids."
20
21 MP: Uh-huh.
22
23 RR: Um --
24
25 TC: When they're coming out, were they being escorted by
26 law enforcement?
27
28 RR: Yeah. They were being drawn out.
29
30 TC: Which agency?
31
32 RR: Coral Springs and BSO.
33
34 TC: Okay. So, it was two and then --
35
36 RR: We were we were --
37
38 TC: Gotcha.
39
40 RR: -- everybody
41
42 TC: Was mixed in?
43
44 RR: It was one --
45
46 TC: Okay.
47
48 RR: -- uniform at that time. One -- one -- two
49 different uniforms, but acting to accomplish the
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1 kids came out, I couldn't let them go further east
2 because that would've exposed them if the shooter
3 was still loose. So, we had to put them, all these
4 kids, up against the wall, up against that 100
5 Building.
6
7 TC: Uh-huh.
8
9 RR: The eastern wall. And, in doing so, making sure
10 they're not crossing between windows. Finally we
11 had to stop. I couldn't take any more kids in
12 wheelchairs, and -- and -- there were -- it was
13 terrible. So, during this time, remember I had
14 mentioned how I wanted to rewind the video and try
15 to find the shooter. One of the gentlemen, Mr.
16 Medina, Mr. Porter, one of those two said, "We've
17 got him. We've got him on video."
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 RR: My BWC, I repeat it a couple times. "Is this live?"
22 I ask, "If this live?" I ask two or three times.
23 They say yes. Then I -- I get occupied with the --
24 these kids coming out. Um, I give out the -- a BOLO
25 that they've located the shooter. He's on the
26 second or third floor. He's -- you'll hear -- every
27 7 Kilo 1, that's me. So, that's what's leading up
28 to these transmissions.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 RR: Um, the -- the - where he is in the school, uh, at
33 least the transmissions on 8 Alpha. Um, so as, uh -
34 - then we realized that it wasn't live. And that
35 takes about five minutes or so. I -- I don't know -
36 - five
37
38 TC: Right.
39
40 RR: -- we it -- it -- the exact times would be on the
41 BWC.
42
43 MP: Right.
44
45 RR: Um, but the reason in -- in the delay is dealing
46 with handicapped children coming out, having to
47 protect them. Um, so, with -- with that being said,
48 um, I don't -- my personal -- Mr. Porter and Mr.
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1 you know? They are not trained in these type of
2
3 TC: Uh-huh.
4
5 RR: -- critical incidents. You know, they -- they, kind
6 of, did what I asked them to do. Um, there was a
7 breakdown in: Was it live or was it not? Um, there
8 was a little breakdown in that. And then, um, the
9 next transmission is we found him. He's exiting the
10 school. You' 11 hear me say on the radio, "The
11 shooter has exited the building. He is, uh,
12 southbound." I believe they actually had him, I
13 think, going westbound along the fence line.
14
15 Um, we -- uh, I mentioned something about West
16 Glades Middle School -- making sure West Glades
17 Middle School is -- is aware that he has left and he
18 has gone in that direction. Perimeter opens up a
19 little more. And, more and more people are a little
20 more aware of their surroundings, which ultimately
21 leads to him being caught.
22
23 TC: Right.
24
25 RR: Over in the Wyndham Lakes
26
27 TC: Uh-huh.
28
29 RR: -- neighborhood.
30
31 TC: Okay. And so, just -- I want to make sure I -- I
32 can accurately understand, obviously, this kind of
33 organized chaos that you had. Um, and so, uh, Mr.
34 Medina, Mr. Porter, they're able to communicate to
35 whoever is in the -- in the, uh -- the video room
36 reviewing it.
37
38 RR : Yes , sir .
39
40 TC: And that information that you're receiving from
41 them, you're trying to relay out through the 8 Alpha
42 channel?
43
44 RR: Yes.
45
46 TC: Uh, at times, was you having issues did they
47 clear the channel so that -- since you had the best
48 information of where he was?
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1 first time I got the information that we thought we
2 had him on video and it was live, or it was the last
3 transmission, I did come over. Every time, I had
4 issues trying to get on the radio.
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 RR: The radio
9
10 MP: Uh-huh.
11
12 RR: -- every time, was trunking out. I -- I couldn't
13 get on. Finally, once I did -- whenever I could get
14 on the radio, I made sure I held it. It was --
15 nobody else was gonna get the -- one of the times I
16 did, you know, come over, you know, 10-33, urgent
17 traffic, give me the air. So, I could get out.
18
19 TC: Uh-huh.
20
21 RR: What the -- I'm not sure if it was the -- the first
22 time we had him on video, or then there was a second
23 time when they realized there was the delay. Um,
24 but, yeah, I -- I did come over the air a couple
25 times.
26
27 TC: Okay. And when you're standing there and you
28 mentioned a Coral Springs Assistant Chief being
29 there --
30
31 RR: He had left.
32
33 TC: Were they okay. He had left.
34
35 RR: He --
36
37 TC: So, was there any Coral Springs or any other
38 agencies relaying the same information that you
39 were?
40
41 RR: Yeah. The assistant police chief was only with me
42 for a brief time.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 RR: When -- when we tried to work through the, um,
47 patching the channels. And then he -- he left. He
48 went to -- I don't know. I -- I saw him later in
49 the evening. I saw him over by the command post
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1 only with him for a short time. We could -- we
2 couldn't get that through that issue. I had other
3 issues I had to deal with.
4
5 TC: All right. And so you were the only law enforcement
6 unit that was able to communicate this very
7 important intelligence to your --
8
9 RR: I did on 8 Alpha --
10
11 TC: Yeah.
12
13 RR: -- but I believe they were getting information on
14 Coral Springs' channel, too.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 RR: And I don't know if that was --
19
20 TC: It wasn't anybody standing with you -- Mr. Porter?
21
22 RR: There was
23
24 TC: There were?
25
26 RR: -- there was Coral Springs --
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 RR: -- people there.
31
32 MP: So, were you guys communicating, uh, face-to-face?
33
34 RR: I had -- I had the witnesses. Mr. Porter and Mr.
35 Medina, like, we are here.
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 RR: I -- I had their attention.
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 TC: Okay.
44
45 RR: Um, so then I would say stuff over the radio. And,
46 I don't know if what we said on 8 Alpha, Coral
47 Springs heard it and then they repeated it. And it
48 caused the -- the issues that we -- some of the
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1 TC: Okay. But some of the same information you were
2 saying was somehow getting through to Coral Springs
3 on their channel.
4
5 RR: Yeah. Unless, I mean, there could've been somebody
6 making contact with that same person in there. They
7 could've been communicating --
8
9 TC: Okay.
10
11 RR: -- with Coral Springs. I mean, I don't know.
12
13 TC: Gotcha.
14
15 RR: I just knew what Mr. Medina and Mr. Porter -- and I
16 knew I had critical information that I put out.
17
18 TC: Okay. Can you, kind of, walk us through the -- how
19 you -- how you requested the patch and then just,
20 kind of, that whole process? Because I know that's
21 gonna be a point of interest, um, you know, how that
22 when you said, "Hey, scrap it," and just moved on
23 to (unintelligible) .
24
25 MP: And this was initial, early on? When -- once you
26 got
27
28 TC: Early on.
29
30 MP: -- there, right? And you noticed that there was a
31 problem with communication, the three different
32 radios, you know?
33
34 RR: Yeah. At -- I had body-worn cameras on at 1439
35 hours. By 1440 hours or 1441 hours, I'm probably up
36 by the school. At that point, I run into the
37 assistant police chief of Coral Springs.
38
39 MP: Uh-huh.
40
41 RR: Um, trying to patch the channel. He and I both were
42 talking about that we wanted that done. Um, I don't
43 think they -- Coral Springs could do it on their
44 end. I don't think we were able to do it on our
45 end. Um --
46
47 MP: Do you think it was because of all the traffic that
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1 RR: I have no idea.
2
3 MP: Was it technical or --
4
5 RR: That's a communication problem.
6
7 MP: It's a
8
9 RR: I can only make the suggestion. I can't execute
10 that -- that, uh -- that part of the plan.
11
12 MP: Right.
13
14 RR: Um, so, um, I made the suggestion a couple times.
15 You'll see this because Chief went back and forth a
16 couple times. And, in -- in a major incident like
17 this, a critical incident, I could've gotten hung up
18 on that and -- and -- and worried about that for
19 another half an hour. But, you have to move on.
20 There were bigger issues.
21
22 MP: Right.
23
24 RR: As you can hear in the communication of kids are
25 being pulled out of the school.
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 RR: Or -- or, you know, there's multiple shooting
30 victims. Uh, I had bigger issues to address.
31
32 MP: So, it didn't hinder you from doing your job? What
33 you had to do? You did what you had to?
34
35 RR: I -- once I -- once I had -- once I had my witness
36 and everything else, I knew that was --
37
38 TC: More important.
39
40 MP: That was your --
41
42 RR: That was my job.
43
44 MP: That was your primary focus.
45
46 RR: And once I -- I got a lot of that information out, I
47 felt we had the -- the subject identified and he had
48 maybe -- he had left. I then take -- I took the two
49 witnesses, Mr. Medina and Mr. Porter, I told them
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1 east towards the command post, with them in front of
2 me, giving them shelter. So, I get them back to the
3 command post, so we can
4
5 MP: Could you show us on -- on the map which way, which
6 route you took? Because you said you were here in
7 Building 1.
8
9 RR: Building yeah, this is it.
10
11 MP: Okay.
12
13 RR: This is -- I was at Building 1.
14
15 MP: Okay.
16
17 RR: I was doing -- running the operation, basically,
18 from this entire area.
19
20 MP: Uh-huh.
21
22 RR: The kids -- the kids were coming out of this --
23 there's a -- well, I don't know where they're coming
24 out of. They were coming out of this door here.
25
26 MP: Uh-huh.
27
28 RR: The handicapped children. All the issues. So, I
29 was lining the children up along this wall here.
30
31 MP: Okay.
32
33 RR: Talking to Mr. Porter. Talking to Mr. Medina. I was
34 running the operation here. Once I knew the shooter
35 had left, we had him on video. I then ran with Mr.
36 Porter and Mr. Medina back to the command post,
37 which would've been a southeasterly direction at --
38 right underneath, like, the Sawgrass and Pine
39 Island.
40
41 MP: Uh-huh.
42
43 RR: Because I wanted to, uh, slow it down. Debrief them
44 a little bit more. Because they had cell phones.
45 They had access, I knew, the school records. To
46 start a little more, um, attempt of identifying
47 phone numbers, you know, everyone related to --
48
49 MP: Right.
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1 RR: Nikolas Cruz.
2
3 MP: Okay. And you said -- where was the -- let's see.
4 That's where you were. And the command post might
5 be better on this one here.
6
7 RR: Was in and it -- it was in this area. Was just -
8 - just north of the
9
10 MP: Okay.
11
12 RR: -- Sawgrass.
13
14 MP: Okay.
15
16 RR: Like, the --
17
18 MP: You can mark that. It's fine.
19
20 RR: The -- the command bus was in here, was right around
21 this area.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 RR: And then once we realized the shooter had left, it
26 kind of stretched out a little bit more up until the
27 southeast gate.
28
29 MP: Okay. All right.
30
31 TC: Um, when you're, uh, debriefing, uh, especially, um,
32 Mr. Medina, uh, does he relay -- did he -- he
33 instantly knew it Nikolas Cruz? Like, he was able
34 to tell you who it was?
35
36 RR: He couldn't get the -- he knew who it was.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 RR: But he couldn't get the name out because, obviously,
41 what had just happened. He goes it -- it's -- he
42 kept saying, "It was crazy kid. It's the crazy kid.
43 It's the kid. It's that -- it's the crazy kid."
44 Um, he knew. And then once, uh, we took him away,
45 got him off site, um, I was the one that did the
46 show-up. I put Mr. Medina in my car and we did the
47 show-up where he was ultimately, uh, detained at.
48
49 MP: So, you -- you actually drove him over there?
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1 RR: I drove Mr. Medina --
2
3 MP: Okay.
4
5 RR: -- to the show-up location.
6
7 MP: Uh-huh.
8
9 RR: Putting that was the same person he saw entering
10 the school and when when the shots started.
11
12 MP: And he confirmed that?
13
14 RR: Yes.
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 RR: But, yeah, he -- he knew who he was. And working
19 through Mr. Porter -- um, more so Mr. Porter because
20 he's a, uh -- the assistant principal. I think he
21 had a little more access to some of the resources
22 through wherever he was getting it from. I wanted,
23 um -- once we believed we had the subject identified
24 -- this is prior to him being taken into custody.
25 Working on photographs, busting out, you know, text
26 messages of -- of possible suspect photos.
27
28 MP: Do you recall where the photographs came from?
29
30 RR: This -- I believe the -- the school may have
31 provided some of them.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 RR: I -- I'm I'm not a hundred percent sure.
36
37 MP: All right.
38
39 RR: My thing is I needed to get information out. I was
40 the
41
42 MP: You just gathered together --
43
44 RR: And and --
45
46 MP: Okay. Okay.
47
48 RR: And then trying to get, uh, um, phone numbers,
49 contact numbers for, uh, anybody related to the
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1 MP: Okay.
2
3 TC: Uh, did Mr. Medina or Mr. Porter relate any
4 information to you, um, because obviously they saw
5 it. And you said Mr. Medina described hearing the
6 shooting or shots? Is that correct?
7
8 RR: Yeah. He saw him exit. Enter -- as soon as --
9 shortly thereafter, him entering the 1200 Building.
10 He heard shots. So, I -- I believe Mr. Medina, uh,
11 said, uh, there a suspicion or -- or a, uh -- the --
12 the person was entering the 1200 Building. And
13 then, shortly after, um, there's shots. Shots are
14 heard.
15
16 MP: Do you know who Mr. Medina was, uh, relaying this
17 information to?
18
19 RR: I -- I'm not --
20
21 MP: Was this just over the school radio?
22
23 RR: I believe it -- it was over his radio.
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 RR: I'm -- I'm not sure.
28
29 MP: Okay.
30
31 TC: And they were equipped with a, uh, a radio that --
32 is it just local to the school, to your knowledge?
33 Like a --
34
35 RR: I believe it's a closed channel.
36
37 TC: -- point to point?
38
39 RR: Yup. Point to point.
40
41 TC: Okay.
42
43 MP: Okay.
44
45 TC: And -- and just so -- I want to make sure I have it
46 accurate. You're -- the communication is they've
47 got these point-to-point radios, or they're only
48 able to -- you would -- your radio was not able to
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1 RR: Correct.
2
3 TC: So, therefore, they were -- it was, kind of, a game
4 of telephone back and -- you know --
5
6 MP: Uh-huh.
7
8 TC: You were telling them, they were relaying it and it
9 was coming back through those channels, um, through
10 either Mr. Porter or Mr. Medina.
11
12 RR: Yes.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 RR: At one point, once it -- we -- I got them over to
17 the command post, you know -- the command post. I
18 just took their -- I just took their -- instead of
19 communicating from them, I said this is, uh, BSO
20 Sergeant Rossman. I need this. I need this.
21
22 MP: Okay.
23
24 RR: I need that. Instead of going through them.
25
26 TC : Uh - huh .
27
28 RR: I -- I could -- once I had the -- and I just took
29 the radio from them.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 RR: From them for -- until we had the subject in
34 custody.
35
36 MP: Uh, the next few questions I have is pertaining to
37 your -- your training. Uh, do you -- does the BSO
38 have a -- an active shooter policy?
39
40 RR: Yes , ma ' am.
41
42 MP: Okay. And, very general, what -- how does it tell
43 you to handle active shooters? What do you -- what
44 does the poly indicate -- policy indicate that you
45 should do?
46
47 RR: You you should go in. I believe it actually has
48 the word "may" go in.
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2 RR: You should go -- active shooter, you should respond
3 to the -- the threat, wherever the threat may be
4 coming from.
5
6 MP: Okay. But from your understanding, it's an option.
7
8 RR: It has
9
10 MP: To go up in
11
12 RR: it has a -- I'm going in. From me.
13
14 MP: Uh-huh. But it -- the verbiage is it gives you
15 an option of whether to respond or not respond? Is
16 -- I'm trying not say what is -- what exactly you're
17 saying.
18
19 RR: It has the word "may."
20
21 MP: Okay. You may respond to an active shooter.
22
23 RR: Or may go -- I can't -- the exact verbiage. No,
24 ma'am.
25
26 MP: Okay.
27
28 RR: I don't know the exact verbiage.
29
30 MP: Okay. That's fine. Um, and, how are you trained as
31 far as how to deal with an active shooter? Is it
32 is the same mentality when you're training?
33
34 RR: I had -- we had training several years ago. Um, it
35 wasn't, I think, specifically, called "active
36 shooter training." I think it was, like, "rescue
37 task force."
38
39 MP: Uh-huh.
40
41 RR: It was dealing with firefighters --
42
43 MP: Uh-huh.
44
45 RR: -- paramedics and, uh, treating injured. Um, and it
46 was, you know, you -- you go in as a -- with, uh, go
47 in, find victims. Do the best you can to treat
48 them. Pass them off to paramedics and get them out.
49
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2 received that kind of training. How are you taught
3 to deal with someone who is actively shooting?
4
5 RR: Go in and go to the gunshots.
6
7 MP: Okay. To neutralize the threat?
8
9 RR: Yes. To neutralize the threat.
10
11 MP: Okay.
12
13 RR: Wherever -- if -- for every shot that's going off,
14 that's a person being shot.
15
16 MP: Okay. Anything else? All right. Um, in regards to
17 this interview, um, this investigation, is there
18 anything that we have either failed to ask you or
19 that you would like to add or clarify in your
20 statement today?
21
22 RR: Um, the scope of your interview -- this thing, is it
23 -- is it just the response to the shooting or the
24 totality of everything? The -- the --
25
26 MP: We were ordered by the governor to review the
27 overall response. Law enforcement response to the
28 school shooting.
29
30 RR: Okay. Does that include the handling of the
31 victims?
32
33 MP: As far as law enforcement response of handling the
34 victims?
35
36 RR: The victim families.
37
38 MP: At what -- I'm -- I'm not sure -- what -- what --
39 what does that mean?
40
41 RR: Obviously, there is this part. Then the next thing
42 is, uh, the -- the -- the process of notifying
43 victim families and stuff like that.
44
45 TC: Right now, the scope is -- and we have been talking
46 about law enforcement response, kind of, the initial
47 getting to the building, going in, and shooting, and
48 that response to that.
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2 TC: And, kind of, up until he gets apprehended. Um
3
4 MP: But I guess you're -- you're referring to law
5 enforcement response to note -- as far as it goes to
6 notifying the families and -- of the victims? Is
7 that what you are referring to?
8
9 RR: Uh-huh.
10
11 MP: Feel free to say whatever you have on your mind.
12
13 RR: The -- I -- I wish it would've been additional, uh,
14 I think, resources. Um, that could've been -- uh,
15 not resources, or maybe command, that could've
16 assisted us at the -- the -- with the victims,
17 notifying the victim families. Um, that process was
18 horrific. Um, I understand we've got a duty to
19 identify the victims. And because I was part of
20 that, I was part of that process, at the -- uh, at
21 the hotel. Having to notify -- um, deal with the
22 victim families. And, uh, having to -- having to
23 deal with those, uh, families all evening. And --
24 and watching that -- that process unravel.
25
26 Uh, and, how, uh, slow it -- it was. Um, having to
27 -- we didn't take the first victim family -- I -- I
28 did one of the notifications -- until midnight. Um,
29 so, when you're -- when you're in -- in a conference
30 room and you start looking around, it doesn't take a
31 lot of figuring out, um, you know, through social
32 media that the victims were being more notified
33 through social media and the news than by us. Um,
34 it made that very difficult. You know, and -- and
35 trying to relay that back over to the -- uh, the
36 other side of the, um, investigative arm that was
37 doing that.
38
39 Um -- if -- if the people could've seen how that was
40 over there, um, it maybe would've changed things. I
41 -- I -- I just wish the process could've been sped
42 up. Uh, if there's something can be learned about
43 that, um, having something in place to deal with,
44 uh, the victims. You know, we did the best we could
45 with -- you know, we had the -- the attorney general
46 was there, um, with victim advocates.
47
48 But, um, the -- the overall -- the -- the manner in
49 which that was taken care of: one by one. You
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1 break-out room. And then a half-an-hour later, you
2 go back, got another victim. And then you'd hear
3 the screaming. And, you'd go back and get another
4 victim. Then they'd hear the screaming. And sooner
5 or later, as the evening and the morning went on,
6 there's one family left. It's no -- it's not a big
7
8
9 MP: Uh-huh.
10
11 RR: You -- you know what's coming. You're the last
12 victim. Um, that was the hardest thing. Uh uh,
13 for me, I just think we could've done, uh, a better
14 job. If it wasn't that time, then we should -- I --
15 I don't know. I don't know all the answers. But,
16 in my opinion, yeah. I -- I definitely feel, uh --
17 feel we should've, uh, done a little more with, uh -
18 - with the way we dealt with, uh, the victim
19 families.
20
21 MP: Okay. Well, thank you for, um -- for sharing that.
22 Um, I think that was the first time we've heard
23 that.
24
25 TC: Uh-huh.
26
27 MP: So, um, anything else you'd like to add?
28
29 RR: Nope.
30
31 MP: Or clarify? Have you been promised anything in
32 exchange for your statement today?
33
34 RR : No, ma ' am.
35
36 MP: All right. Has the information you provided during
37 this interview been the truth, to the best of your
38 knowledge or recollection?
39
40 RR: Yes , ma ' am.
41
42 MP: All right. This interview is concluded at 10:35
43 a.m. on Wednesday, May 16, 2018.
44
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT JASON ROTELLA, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/16/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 BB BRANDY BURNS
9 JR SERGEANT JASON ROTELLA
10
11 KR: Today's date is May the 16th, 2018. It is
12 approximately 1:48 p.m. I am Inspector Keith
13 Riddick of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present, at this time, from OEI is Miss Brandy
15 Burns. The location of this interview is 2300 High
16 Ridge Road, Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be
17 questioning is it sergeant?
18
19 JR: Yes.
20
21 KR: Sergeant, uh, Jason Rotella as a witness in an
22 official FDLE investigation, case number EI 26-0079.
23 Inspect -- or, I am the inspectpr in charge of this
24 investigation. On February 25, 2018, Governor Rick
25 Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
26 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
27 For the record, I would like to clarify that this is
28 a witness statement being given by you as part of
29 that investigation into the law enforcement response
30 to the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
31 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
32 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
33 Do you understand?
34
35 JR: Yes.
36
37 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
38 should be aware of the following. This interview is
39 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
40 I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
41 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
42 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
43 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
44 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
45 each of these items I've just informed you of?
46
47 JR: Yes.
48
49 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
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1 hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the
2 information you're about to give today is the truth,
3 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help
4 you God?
5
6 JR: Yes.
7
8 KR: All right. Thank you. Please state your full name,
9 current place of employment and how long you've been
10 employed there.
11
12 JR: Uh, Sergeant Jason Rotella, R-0-T-E-L-L-A; CCN
13 number 9530. I'm currently employed as a sergeant
14 with the Broward County Sheriff's Office since
15 August of '99, uh, when they merged with the City of
16 Pompano Beach Police Department where I was a police
17 officer for approximately 14 months prior to that.
18
19 KR: All right. How long have you been a sergeant?
20
21 JR: Uh, one year.
22
23 KR: All right. And you're a sergeant with the, uh, SWAT
24 team? I understand y'all are a full-time SWAT,
25 right?
26
27 JR: We -- a third of our team is full-time. Um, I am
28 not. I'm part of the, uh -- my -- my full-time duty
29 is I'm a sergeant in a unit called VIPER.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 JR: Um, and, uh, we go after violent felons, people who
34 commit armed robberies, things like that, um, but
35 I'm also assigned to the, uh -- to the SWAT team.
36 I'm one of six team leaders --
37
38 KR: Okay.
39
40 JR: - on the SWAT team.
41
42 KR: All right, sir. Uh, let me take you to February 14,
43 2018. How did you first learn of the, uh, shooting
44 going on at Douglas High?
45
46 JR: We were in training that day. Uh, we had -- uh, a
47 few of us had been called off to assist, uh, another
48 unit within the sheriff's office, uh, providing
49 security for them, uh, at a location somewhere in
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1 operation, uh, we received a phone call from the,
2 uh, squad members that were still at training saying
3 there was an active shooter, "Switch over to this
4 radio channel, uh, to monitor and start your
5 response."
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 JR: Uh, so that's where my response started from there.
10
11 KR: Okay.
12
13 JR: On that phone call.
14
15 KR: How long do you think it took you to get there
16 running code?
17
18 JR: Uh, not long at all. I think it was maybe 10, 15 --
19 10 to -- 10 to 12 minutes, I would say.
20
21 KR: Okay. In route, the radio traffic, did you hear
22 Deputy Peterson or anybody else get -- talking about
23 the shooting, uh, getting the description? Anything
24 like that?
25
26 JR: Uh, no. It was -- it was -- when I turned my radio
27 on -- by the time I got to the radio channel and
28 driving, uh, it was chaos on the radio. There was
29 people cutting each other off. There was, uh, a lot
30 of trunking going on with the radio systems. They
31 were just, uh, stepping over each other. So
32 transmissions were tough to understand exactly what
33 was happening.
34
35 KR: All right.
36
37 JR: So --
38
39 KR: All right. When you arrived at the -- at the scene
40 -- I have a map. It's called School Boundaries.
41 North is up toward the top. This is the school
42 here.
43
44 JR: Yep.
45
46 KR: This is the 1200. Can you mark where -- you know,
47 an approximate area where you ended up parking?
48
49 JR: Sure. I came in, uh, from west to east on Holmberg.
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2 ·do.
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4 JR: Okay. I came in, uh, from west to east on Holmberg.
5 Um, by the time I, uh, was arriving, there was
6 vehicles everywhere.
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 JR: Uh, so in order for me to get in, I had to go, you
11 know, kinda park up -- uh, where's the front
12 entrance? Right here, right?
13
14 KR: Well, that's the one that goes into the 1300
15 building and then this one goes straight into the
16 1200. Uh --
17
18 JR: Gotcha. So we were -- I ended up parking my vehicle
19 maybe somewhere back over here.
20
21 KR: Uh - huh .
22
23 JR: Um, just due to traffic. Uh, I ran out with --·with
24 my gear and we met up, uh, in between the well,
25 actually we were -- uh, the 1300 building --
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 JR: -- we were directly along the northern wall of the
30 1300 building
31
32 KR: All right.
33
34 JR: -- is where I saw the team. Yeah. I came in
35 here's the 1200 building?
36
37 KR : Yes , sir .
38
39 JR: So, uh, I came right down here. I parked probably
40 up here.
41
42 KR: Uh-huh.
43
44 JR: Uh, ran straight down here and by the time I got up,
45 the team was already staged here, uh, ready to make
46 entry across the -- uh, this little courtyard area -
47
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49 KR: Uh-huh.
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1 JR: -- into the 1200 building.
2
3 KR: All right.
4
5 JR: That's when
6
7 KR: Did you hear any gunshots?
8
9 JR: I did not. No.
10
11 KR: Okay. Did you see any evidence of gunshots?
12
13 JR: I saw a -- what appeared to be a -- uh, a male. Uh,
14 I really couldn't tell if he was adult or anything.
15
16 KR: Uh - huh .
17
18 JR: Uh, but -- but there was a body that was -- that was
19 down in the threshold of the 1200 building doorway.
20
21 KR: Oh, the west door -- the -- okay.
22
23 JR: Yes.
24
25 KR: All right. Um, you've already answered, you know,
26 the -- the radio system -- you were -- there was
27 issues with that. Do you remember anybody trying to
28 patch it or you remember them calling out that they
29 had been patched with, uh, Coral Springs PD?
30
31 JR: No. I don't remember that going out.
32
33 KR: Okay. No problem. Um, I understand at some time,
34 y'all switched over to your, uh, line of sight SWAT
35 channel.
36
37 JR: Some did. I stayed on main.
38
39 KR: Okay.
40
41 JR: Um, because obviously we have that many people were
42 going -- I -- I -- it's just to get real time info -
43
44
45 KR: Uh-huh.
46
47 JR: -- what's going on outside. Uh, so it's -- you can
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2 JR: So we -- we took our direct channel, but we had the
3 whole team there. So I stayed on main to hear
4 updates.
5
6 KR: Okay.
7
8 JR: And that's when I was able to hear, once we were in
9 the building, certain updates as far as the shooter
10 being in custody.
11
12 KR: Okay.
13
14 JR: So --
15
16 KR: Did, uh, you try to talk on your radio anytime while
17 you were in the 12 building?
18
19 JR: Yes.
20
21 KR: Okay.
22
23 JR: Yes.
24
25 KR: Did -- were you successful?
26
27 JR: I believe so. I don't even know if I got a
28 response. It -- at -- at one time we were, um -- we
29 were popping a hatch onto the roof to go, um, check
30 the roof and I just got on the air to make sure
31 people were advised that it was going to be us --
32
33 KR: Okay.
34
35 JR: -- you know, coming upstairs, uh, but I did not get
36 a response back, so -- not that I know of.
37
38 KR: All right. Um, and I understand after y'all cleared
39 the 1200, you went to multiple other buildings
40 clearing those?
41
42 JR: Correct.
43
44 KR: All right. Um, when you went to 97 on scene, uh, I
45 know -- I know you ended up at west end, did you
46 ever -- and I'll be just specific about it -- did
47 you ever -- or did you see Deputy Peterson or anyone
48 else standing down here between the 700, 800
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1 JR: No.
2
3 KR: Okay. Did you make contact with Deputy Peterson or
4 anyone else down there?
5
6 JR: Not to my knowledge. No.
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 JR: No.
11
12 KR: Um --
13
14 JR: I never made it -- I never made it to this part. I
15 -- you know, we cleared here. As I came out, I
16 think, uh, we -- we cleared this building over here
17 or -- and then we -- we ended up clearing here, but
18 my whole thing was basically in this area
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 JR: -- here in the courtyards. I never made it east of
23 that area.
24
25 KR: Okay. Um, did you hear -- uh, were there any Coral
26 Springs officers near you? Did you hear -- did you
27
28
29 JR: Yes.
30
31 KR: -- make any -- uh, notice anything about their
32 communications, whether they were having issues or
33 anything?
34
35 JR: I couldn't tell. Um, I wasn't focused on -- I knew
36 that they were mixed in with us.
37
38 KR: Uh - huh .
39
40 JR: -- uh, several of them. Um, I passed a couple of
41 them out front when we were coming up and then
42 inside, um, just giving them direction on what we
43 had.
44
45 KR: Uh - huh .
46
47 JR: 'Cause I know that they're -- they were obviously
48 having different talk groups and us, so at one time,
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2
3 KR: Uh-huh.
4
5 JR: And they confirmed it. Yes.
6
7 KR: Okay. Did you -- do you recall the conversation on
8 the radio traffic about the -- uh, the fact he was
9 on the second floor or -- or the third floor and
10 that it was delayed?
11
12 JR: Yes. This -- well, as soon as we came in, um, we
13 made entry in, we started getting information that
14 the shooter was on the, um, third floor, then he was
15 on the second floor, and he was moving about. He
16 had a gas mask, uh, and so on and so forth. Um, I
17 recognized the voice 'cause I worked in that
18 district, uh, before as being a -- the CI sergeant
19 from Tamarac. He was the one putting the
20 information out. Uh --
21
22 KR: And his name?
23
24 JR: Um, it's -- I forget what his name --
25
26 KR: That's okay. No problem, no problem. Not -- I can
27 find out. Probably already talked to him. Um, all
28 right. And so then eventually they came back and
29 said it was time delayed?
30
31 JR: Yes. So that went on when he was upstairs,
32 downstairs and then there was a little -- a little
33 break 'cause we started moving, uh, directly to that
34 area 'cause we -- we were inside the building when
35 we got this information and then once we received
36 it, we took it as live intel.
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 JR: So we moved immediately to that location. Um,
41 couldn't locate anybody, didn't hear anything,
42 didn't see anything, which would lead us to believe
43 that there was any -- that the shooter was up there,
44 uh, and, at this time, they got on the air and said,
45 "Hey, this is a time delay."
46
47 KR: Uh - huh .
48
49 JR: Uh, and then they advised that he had blended in
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2
3 KR: All right. Uh, switch, uh, train of thoughts right
4 -- real quick and (unintelligible) --
5
6 JR: It's Rossman -- Rich -- Rich Rossman was the
7 sergeant.
8
9 KR: Okay -- okay. Um, and, you know, I know this is
10 different from Patrol versus a SWAT operator, but,
11 uh, just, in general, does your agency have any
12 active shooter policy?
13
14 JR: Yes. It does.
15
16 KR: All right. Do you recall when the last time it --
17 training for the agency was done? Not specifically
18 SWAT 'cause I understand y'all train, like, every
19 week.
20
21 JR: Yeah. Agencies (unintelligible), I'm not sure.
22
23 KR: Uh-huh.
24
25 JR: Um, just because I've been on the SWAT team for --
26 this is my 18th year and every training that we get
27 is -- is directed at --
28
29 KR: Some form of --
30
31 JR: Yeah. So for me to say when the agencies -- I don't
32 know.
33
34 KR: That's -- that's quite all right.
35
36 JR: Yeah.
37
38 KR: What does your, um, active shooter training instruct
39 you to do when -- or -- when confronted with an
40 active shooter?
41
42 JR: Stop the threat.
43
44 KR: (Unintelligible).
45
46 JR: So if you -- if you are -- if you happened to be
47 there with others and you can go in as a group,
48 that's -- that's fine, but if you're there by
49 yourself, it's your job to go in -- you know, if
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3 KR: Let me see report. Just a second. Make sure I
4 haven't missed anything. All right. Uh, sergeant,
5 in regard to this investigation, is there anything I
6 either failed to ask or anything you'd like to add
7 or clarify in your statement today?
8
9 JR: No.
10
11 KR: All right. Have you been promised anything in
12 exchange for your -- providing your statement?
13
14 JR: No.
15
16 KR: Has the information that you have provided during
17 this interview been the truth to the best of your
18 knowledge or recollection?
19
20 JR: Yes.
21
22 KR: This interview is concluded at approximately 1:59
23 p.m. on May 16~, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DETECTIVE RICHARD SAITO, #EI-26-0079,
2 6/25/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 RS DETECTIVE RICHARD SAITO
9 BB BRANDY BURNS
10
11 KR: Today's date is June the 25th, 2018. It's
12 approximately 2:31 p.m. I'm Inspector Keith Riddick
13 of the Office of Executive Investigations from
14 Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Also present
15 at this time is, uh, Brandy Burns, also with the
16 Office of Executive Investigations. Location of
17 this interview is the Broward Sheriff's Office
18 headquarters in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I will be
19 questioning Detective -- is that --
20
21 RS: Correct.
22
23 KR: -- yeah, Detective Richard Saito --
24
25 RS: Correct.
26
27 KR: -- as a witness in official FDLE Investigation
28 Case Number EI-26-0079. I am the inspector in
29 charge of this investigation. On February 25, 2018,
30· Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE to investigate law
31 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
32 For the record, I'd like to clarify that this is a
33 witness statement being given by you as part of that
34 investigation into the law enforcement response to
35 the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
36 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear and
37 are being compelled to provide this statement. Do
38 you understand?
39
40 RS: Yes.
41
42 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview
43 you should be aware of the following. This
44 interview is being recorded. As a sworn law
45 enforcement officer I'm empowered to administer
46 oaths and take statements. In a moment I'll be
47 taking a sworn statement from you. You will be
48 under oath and if you knowingly provide false
49 statements you can be criminally charged with
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1 just informed you of?
2
3 RS: Yes.
4
5 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
6 record reflect the detective has raised his right
7 hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the
8 information you're about to give today is the truth,
9 the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help
10 you God?
11
12 RS: Yes.
13
14 KR: All right. Please state your -- your -- your full
15 name and how long you've been employed at BSO.
16
17 RS: Uh, Richard Saito. I've been employed for
18 approximately 15 years.
19
20 KR: All right. Do you have prior law enforcement?
21
22 RS: No.
23
24 KR: All right. Um, as we talked before I started the
25 the tape, uh, Detective, uh, this is about the
26 school shooting that happened at Stoneman Douglas on
27 February 14, 2018. When and how did you first learn
28 that the shooting was going on?
29
30 RS: Uh, our team was at training at Markham Park, uh, on
31 that day and we were right in the middle of starting
32 another training evolution when our executive
33 officer had told everybody there was a possible
34 active shooter at Stoneman Douglas. Um, so, you
35 know, obviously we needed to corral and start
36 heading that direction. So guys were scrambling,
37 you know, there were some guys on the range,
38 reloading their magazines. The guys that were at
39 the shoot house were putting all their stuff
40 together and we just caravaned and started heading
41 up there, uh, from the, uh, park.
42
43 KR: And ran Code 3 from the park to the school?
44
45 RS: Yes.
46
47 KR: All right. When you got on -- or, well, let me back
48 up. In between loading up in Markham and getting to
49 school, could you hear any radio traffic about what
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2 RS: Uh, they -- well, as I was en route, I started
3 switching over to the, uh, to the radio channel, um,
4 and started hearing a lot of different traffic. Um,
5 I -- I mean it was a lot of different stuff coming
6 in so it's hard for me to kind of pinpoint when the
7 chronology
8
9 KR: Right.
10
11 RS: -- I was hearing things, but I do remember
12 specifically hearing, uh, that -- where guys were
13 going in -- I remember three of our guys that were
14 on the team, they were actually doing another
15 operation that day, so they weren't at training,
16 they were actually out and about. And I heard them
17 going over the radio saying that they were going
18 arrival at the scene and they were getting ready to
19 make entry. This was probably about halfway on our
20 -- our trek up to the -- up to the school. So I
21 knew that we had two or three guys there already,
22 um, and then I just heard a lot of confusion. Not -
23 - people not knowing where 1200 was, not knowing
24 where the shooting was coming from, um, and then I -
25 - at some point, I heard somebody saying it was the
26 three-story building.
27
28 KR: Uh-huh.
29
30 RS: And, uh, so when I got there'· you know, I could,
31 could tell --
32
33 KR: The only one.
34
35 RS: -- it was the only three-story building on the
36 north side of the campus so -- which is where I
37 ended up pulling up.
38
39 KR: Okay. Um, did you try to talk from your radio
40 at all?
41
42 RS: No.
43
44 KR: Okay.
45
46 RS: No. I knew that it was just gonna be mass
47 confusion so I didn't wanna add to radio traffic.
48
49 KR: Uh, what do you -- 20 minute ride from Markham -
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2 RS: It was about 20 minutes.
3
4 BB: Okay. All right.
5
6 KR: Once you got 10-97, or on scene, for the record,
7 where did -- let me find that.
8
9 BB: Was that -- That's me, I think.
10
11 KR: No, that's me. Sorry about that. All right. This
12 is, uh -- Okay. Here's Pine Island. There's the
13 school. There's the 1200. This is Holmberg.
14
15 RS: Yes.
16
17 KR: If you could mark, you know, the location as best
18 you can remember about where you ended up parking.
19
20 RS: Uh, wait -- so that's 1200, correct?
21
22 KR: Yes, sir.
23
24 RS: Yeah, so I came up this direction from west to east
25 on Holmberg
26
27 KR: Uh - huh .
28
29 RS: -- and I parked probably about a hundred yards on
30 Holmberg facing due east
31
32 KR: Okay.
33
34 RS: -- so -- 'cause at this point, I still didn't know
35 where the incident was occurring. And I think there
36 was some confusion about whether it was isolated in
37 the building or if it was still, uh, moving. If the
38 shooter or shooters were moving --
39
40 KR: Uh-huh.
41
42 RS: -- around the campus. So I didn't wanna get too
43 danger close to the building or to the campus not
44 knowing
45
46 KR: Right .
47
48 RS: -- what was in play and what wasn't. And I remember
49 I had broken off one of our guys, one of our
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2
3 KR: Okay.
4
5 RS: So he pulled over and he had a full view of the
6 campus as the rest of us continued on.
7
8 KR: All right. If you could just --
9
10 RS: I'm sorry.
11
12 KR: -- just so we have this --
13
14 RS: Like right back --
15
16 KR: Are you a team leader?
17
18 RS: Yes.
19
20 KR: Okay. All right. So you got here -- did you
21 hear any talk over the air about the football field
22 or anything like that?
23
24 RS: I don't remember hearing about the football
25 field.
26
27 KR: Okay. No problem. All right. Once you got on
28 scene -- and this is a little closer map. And
29 you're -- you're probably actually down in this area
30
31
32 RS: Yes.
33
34 KR: -- how did you get up onto the campus if you
35 could --
36
37 RS: Um, as we were loading up, uh, I was starting to
38 put my kit on and I started walking, I started
39 running this direction and at about that time our
40 armored vehicle started pulling up --
41
42 KR: Okay.
43
44 RS: -- so I jumped into the armored vehicle and guys
45 were just kind of piling on as the vehicle was
46 moving eastbound. And I believe -- that's 1200
47
48 KR: Yes.
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2 KR: Yes, right there.
3
4 RS: -- like right here. I think there was a security
5 gate, or a locked gate.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 RS: So once we had loaded up, um, there was a quick
10 briefing, "Hey, this is -- we think it's in that
11 building. Start moving that direction. Start
12 getting some bodies over there." Um, there was some
13 organization going on, like, you know, try to get
14 the guys together, figuring out where medics were
15 gonna go, so we had split up into two teams, um, as
16 we were loading up onto the Bearcat. So we just
17 wanted to make sure that we had enough guys on each
18 team with medics on both sides.
19
20 KR: Okay.
21
22 RS: So we did that, loaded up and then punched through
23 this gate which was locked at the time --
24
25 KR: Uh-huh.
26
27 RS: and parked the Bearcat -- I believe it was right
28 on the curb. Like right here.
29
30 KR: Okay.
31
32 RS: So, right about that area. So I could see the
33 building.
34
35 KR: Uh - huh .
36
37 RS: I saw, uh, one of the victims laying on the ground
38 as we were dumping out, so --
39
40 BB: Okay, if you would just show me the -- the --
41
42 RS: Our route?
43
44 BB: -- a route, yeah.
45
46 RS: Yeah, so I would say
47
48 BB: You can just draw a line at the -- doesn't have to
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1 KR: So y'all dumped out of the Bearcat there --
2
3 RS: Dumped out of the Bearcat, um -- Again, at that
4 point there wasn't any active intelligence going on
5 so we were kinda just trying to figure out, you
6 know, basically what direction we needed to be
7 going.
8
9 KR: Right.
10
11 RS: 'Cause everything was, you know, not sure which
12 direction we were supposed to be going. I remember
13 seeing bullet holes on the third deck, uh, on the
14 east -- I'm sorry, the west windows --
15
16 KR: Uh, huh.
17
18 RS: -- on the third deck. Um, but then I also
19 heard, remember hearing radio traffic that he
20 possibly got out of the building.
21
22 KR: Okay.
23
24 RS: And, uh, and then I heard, remembering hearing -
25 - the radio traffic was kinda going back and forth
26 in my recollection about -- he was either somewhere
27 on the second and third deck, in between, um, and --
28 or he may have gotten out of the building. And then
29 at some point while that was going on, we were
30 trying to figure it out I remember one of the guys
31 that had gotten there first --
32
33 KR: Uh-huh.
34
35 RS: -- he came out of the, the westside door --
36 yeah, the westside door where the, the victim was
37 laying
38
39 KR : Right .
40
41 RS: -- and he was motioning us, "Hey, -- "
42
43 KR: Okay.
44
45 RS: " -- we need you in here." So I was like, "All
46 right, let's go." So we just pushed in through the
47 westside on the first floor.
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1 RS: So when you -- after you were on scene, you
2 talked about no active intelligence, so I assume
3 that you did not hear any gunfire.
4
5 KR: Didn't hear any gunfire. Didn't hear anybody
6 saying, "Hey, we know he's here," or -- we -- I
7 mean, like I said, it was kind of -- getting, uh,
8 mixed signals.
9
10 KR: Right.
11
12 RS: A lot of different information coming in. So, um --
13
14 KR: Were you still on the Parkland channel at that time?
15
16 RS: I -- you know what, I don't remember what channel --
17 it must've been the Parkland channel 'cause that's
18 what I switched over to.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 RS: I don't remember at what point -- I do remember we
23 switched over to a, uh, a, uh, direct line
24 communication
25
26 KR: Yeah.
27
28 RS: -- talk - talk-around group, 'cause we lost comms
29 somewhere in between, um, at that point, I'm just
30 assuming that was on the Parkland channel 'cause
31 that's what I had switched over to --
32
33 KR: All right.
34
35 RS: on the, on the way over.
36
37 BB: So you say you lost comm -- once you went in the
38 building or
39
40 RS: It was, you know, probably maybe 10, 15 minutes into
41 us making entry that I noticed that our comms were
42 intermittent and then just kinda going out all
43 together.
44
45 BB: So they all, y'all went to a point to-point --
46
47 RS: Yeah. Exactly.
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1 RS: So, um, and a lot of us, the communications we
2 were doing were just runners physically going back
3 and forth, sending guys back and forth to talk to
4 the command post and talking to the team leaders --
5
6 BB: Uh-huh.
7
8 RS: and just trying to get information back and
9 forth.
10
11 BB: Okay. So even with the, the point-to-point,
12 you couldn't talk outside.
13
14 RS: Yeah, I mean, it was just, uh -- in some ways
15 it was just more efficient that way.
16
17 BB: Okay.
18
19 RS: Um, because still if there's a lot of chatter -
20 - because we had teams on multiple decks. By the
21 time the entire team arrived, we had teams on
22 multiple decks and guys were, you know, a lot of
23 chatter going on.
24
25 BB: Uh-huh.
26
27 RS: So, it just became a little bit more efficient
28 just to
29
30 KR: To send a runner --
31
32 RS: push information out -- to send a runner
33 down there, tell them what's going on, tell them
34 what we had secured, what we hadn't secured --
35
36 BB: Uh-huh.
37
38 RS: -- and then, uh, get feedback from there.
39
40 KR: All right. At any time during your, your
41 the time you were there, uh, especially the first,
42 uh, time, did you ever make it outside to the, uh,
43 east end of the building and down in this area?
44
45 RS: Not on initial entry.
46
47 KR: Okay.
48
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3
4 RS: -- after we had cleared 1200, but on the initial
5 approach I made direct line to 1200.
6
7 KR: All right. Um, do you know Deputy Peterson?
8
9 RS: Yes, I do now. I didn't know him at the time.
10
11 KR: Okay. Well, during that time, do you ever remember
12 seeing him there?
13
14 RS: No.
15
16 KR: 0 ka y . Um - -
17
18 RS: I mean, there were so many people out there. I -- I
19 wasn't really looking at individuals. I just
20 remember seeing --
21
22 KR: Yeah.
23
24 RS: -- a sea of cops --
25
26 KR: Uh-huh .
27
28 RS: -- in every direction.
29
30 KR: And focused on the mission.
31
32 RS: Yes.
33
34 KR: Yeah. Um, there was medic with your -- your --
35
36 RS: Yes.
37
38 KR: -- team, right?
39
40 RS: Yes.
41
42 KR: Do you remember if -- the medic peeling off, helping
43 somebody or how would that happen --
44
45 RS: Absolutely.
46
47 KR: -- how would that happen? What would --
48
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1 on the first deck and, um, I can't remember how far
2 they had pushed, um, but a lot of them were
3 congregated on the west end of the hallway. Uh, I
4 remember seeing a bunch of guys up on the stairwell
5 and we were being told that the third deck had not
6 been cleared yet. There was nobody on the third
7 deck. And this was when we were being told, "It's
8 possible that he's moving between the second and
9 third deck." Um, and that there was information --
10 the surveillance camera was saying he was on the
11 second deck, uh, possibly in between the buildings.
12 And at, at a later time we found out that --
13
14 KR: Right.
15
16 RS: -- that video was --
17
18 BB: Delayed.
19
20 RS: -- delayed 20 minutes. Um, so we meet up to
21 the third deck and when we got up there, again there
22 was -- the third deck didn't have anybody, any law
23 enforcement personnel inside of it. There was a
24 couple of guys that were standing in the, in the
25 stairwell leading into the third deck, so we pushed
26 in and then we ended up started just to make a, a
27 push down the hallway.
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 RS: Um, and once we kind of identified that it was
32 likely that he had gotten out and he wasn't in
33 there, we kinda switched modes and started thinking
34 about, uh, you know, securing --
35
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DETECTIVE RICHARD SAITO (PART 2), #EI-26-
2 0079, 6/25/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 RS DETETIVE RICHARD SAITO
9
10 KR: All right, this is Inspector Keith Riddick with
11 Florida Department of Law Enforcement interviewing
12 Detective Richard Saito with Broward Sheriff's
13 Office. Uh, the battery on the original recorder
14 has died so I just wanna reiterate and correct me if
15 I'm wrong Detective, you were at Markham Park with
16 the rest of the SWAT team, got the call, responded,
17 parked, uh, a hundred yards or so away from the
18 school, uh, got on the Bearcat with the rest of the
19 SWAT team -- or not the rest but other members of
20 the SWAT team -- uh, y'all had to breach the gate
21 at, um, that led right up to the 1300 building and
22 then, um, you joined a contingency of the, of other
23 SWAT members and entered the 1200 building and began
24 clearing the building. You were -- you had a SWAT
25 medic with your team that was assisting, uh, the
26 wounded. Y'all specifically went to the third floor
27 because there were other people, um, or other teams
28 working the second and the, um, the first floor, is
29 that correct?
30
31 RS: Correct.
32
33 KR: All right. Um, one thing I don't know that I,
34 whether or not I got on the tape was I, uh, I
35 understand you're a, one of the instructors for the,
36 uh, agency on Active Shooter and you've taught it
37 for the last have a dozen years or so. Um, the last
38 time you remember having taught it was either last
39 year or the year before.
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41 RS: Uh-huh.
42
43 KR: And now if you could, in your own words, tell me
44 what you said about the, um, uh, the policy itself
45 versus practice as far as what the policy says a,
46 uh, member of the BSO will do, uh, when confronted
47 with an active shooter and what you have imparted
48 over these years as an instructor which, you know --
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1 KR: is known, basically.
2
3 RS: Uh, well, the policy says that based on the real
4 time information, real time being anything that you
5 can discern to tell you where the, the shooting or
6 the, the threat is occurring, um, that you can move
7 into that general direction to try and
8
9 KR: Uh-huh.
10
11 RS: -- neutralize the threat. And the, the way it's
12 worded is it doesn't say you have to, but it says
13 you may and it kinda keeps it open ended in a sense
14 that it depends on, you know, what you feel your
15 assets are, whether or not you know where the
16 direction the, the threat's coming from. Um, but
17 from a personal level or from a instructor level
18 when I'm teaching these classes, you know, if I can
19 tell these people and if they can tell me that they
20 know reasonably, with a reasonable degree of
21 certainty where it's coming from, then they have an
22 obligation to go try and deal with the threat as
23 best they can.
24
25 KR: Uh-huh .
26
27 RS: Uh, but again the big contingency is, is, uh,
28 knowing where it's coming from. So if you don't then
29 you're probably better off at least holding some
30 kind of general perimeter so you can, before you
31 can, so you can, get a better sense of where it's
32 coming from and then once you start to determine
33 that then start moving that direction.
34
35 KR: Uh-huh .
36
37 RS: But there shouldn't be hesitation once you determine
38 where it's coming from there shouldn't be any
39 hesitation going that way.
40
41 KR: Okay. Um, in regard to this investigation, is there
42 anything that I either failed to ask or anything
43 that you'd like to add or clarify in your statement
44 today?
45
46 RS: No.
47
48 KR: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
49 for providing this statement today?
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1 RS: No.
2
3 KR: Has the information that you're provided during this
4 interview been the truth to the best of your
5 knowledge or recollection?
6
7 RS: Yes.
8
9 KR: This interview is concluded. Approximately 2:52
10 p.m. on June the 25~, 2018.
11
12 (CONCLUSION OF INTERVIEW)
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1 (INTERVIEW OF TIMOTHY SCHAUB, #EI-26-0079, 6/14/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
8 TS TIMOTHY SCHAUB
9 MS IUPA ATTORNEY MIKE FINESILVER
10
11 KR: All right. Today's date is June 14th, 2018. It is
12 approximately 1:59 p.m. I am Inspector Keith Riddick
13 of the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
14 present at this time is Inspector Randy Brown. The
15 location of this -- this interview is the Broward
16 Sherriff's Office Headquarters in Fort Lauderdale,
17 Florida. I will be questioning Deputy Tim Schwab?
18
19 TS: Schaub.
20
21 KR: Schaub. As a witness in an official FDLE
22 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Uh, the deputy
23 is represented by IUPA attorney, Mike Finesilver. I
24 am the inspector in charge of this investigation. On
25 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE to
26 investigate the law enforcement response to the
27 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like to
28 clarify that this is a witness statement being given
29 by you as part of the investigation into the law
30 enforcement response to the MSD School shooting that
31 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
32 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled to
33 provide this statement. Do you understand?
34
35 TS: Yes.
36
37 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
38 should be aware of the following. This interview is
39 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I
40 am empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
41 In a moment I'll be taking a sworn statement from you.
42 You will be under oath and if you knowingly provide
43 false statements you can be criminally charged with
44 perjury. Do you understand each of these items I've
45 just informed you of?
46
47 TS: Yes.
48
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1 record reflect the deputy's raised his right hand. Do
2 you solemnly swear or affirm that the information
3 you're about to give today is the truth, the whole
4 truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God?
5
6 TS: Yes.
7
8 KR: All right. Thank you, sir. Piease state your full
9 name, current position with the Broward Sherriff's
10 Office, and how long you've been employed here.
11
12 TS: Timothy Schaub. I'm currently assigned to City of
13 Deerfield Beach Crime Suppression Team. I've been
14 with the agency a little over ten years.
15
16 KR: All right. Have you been in crime suppression the
17 entire time?
18
19 TS: No, just the past year and a half.
20
21 KR: All right. Do you have any prior law enforcement
22 experience?
23
24 TS: Not prior to the Sherriff's Office.
25
26 KR: All right. All right. Uh, as we spoke before we
27 turned on the recorders and -- and we got this thing
28 started, this is about the, uh, the Stoneman Douglas
29 shooting on February 14, 2018. Were you on duty
30 that day?
31
32 TS: Yes, I was.
33
34 KR: All right. Can you tell me how you first heard that
35 there was something going on at Stoneman Douglas?
36
37 TS: Uh, through our Sergeant -- our, uh -- our Unit
38 Sergeant, uh, Sgt. Steve Binders.
39
40 KR: He call you on the air or
41
42 TS: No. We actually just got done doing a, uh -- a few
43 narcotics deals and we were in the office writing a
44 report. And, uh, he came into the office and
45 notified us that he heard on the radio.
46
47 KR: All right. Everybody
48
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2 KR: -- respond?
3
4 TS: Yeah.
5
6 KR: All right. Where -- and you don't have to tell me
7 exactly where 'cause, you know, I don't know, you
8 know, if your office is one of those hidden ones or
9 something like that, but can you tell me 'bout how
10 far you had to travel from where you were to
11 Stoneman Douglas?
12
13 TS: Um, distance wise, I'm not sure. We were at the
14 Deerfield Beach District Office at 300 North East
15 Second Street --
16
17 KR: Okay.
18
19 TS: in Deerfield Beach.
20
21 KR: We talking 10 miles, 20 miles?
22
23 TS: Uh, I don't know. Maybe seven to 10 miles at most.
24
25 KR: Uh, so you -- you went 10-8 and ran Code 3?
26
27 TS: Correct.
28
29 KR: Okay. Enroute, were you given any information via
30 radio or via anything else as far as what was going
31 on?
32
33 TS: Um, a lot of chaos. Um, I know they wouldn't -- we
34 got on the radio -- I -- I didn't advise anything on
35 the radio mainly because obviously there's emergency
36 traffic going across.
37
38 KR: Uh-huh.
39
40 TS: And I'm not gonna interfere with that. So just by
41 listening we heard that there was people in contact
42 with, uh, victims. They were trying to, um, I
43 guess, get to the victims. One of the victim
44 they're having issues with getting possibly by the
45 football field. Um, another -- as we were enroute
46 as well, um, I overheard -- almost sounded like
47 perimeter points being called out, um, units taking
48 perimeter points or something along those lines.
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1 conversation, so I don't know what went on prior to
2 that.
3
4 KR: No. No one would expect you to.
5
6 TS: And then I heard, uh, rally points being made, um,
7 possibly at University and Holmberg. Um, that's
8 pretty much all I can recall from that aspect.
9
10 KR: Do you know Deputy, uh, Scot Peterson personally?
11
12 TS: No.
13
14 KR: Okay. Do you remember anybody identifying themself
15 or say anything specific to the school itself or the
16 shooting itself other than the victims and --
17
18 TS: Uh, I remember the mention of the -- of the, uh, two
19 story building that -- possibly the 1200 building.
20 Um, I do recall that, yes.
21
22 KR: All right. Do you know who said that?
23
24 TS: I don't know. I don't know, you know, there's a lot
25 of -- I work in a different district, so there's a
26 lot of, uh, voices that I'm not familiar with.
27
28 KR: Right.
29
30 TS: And obviously there's a lot of radio traffic and a
31 lot of chaos going on.
32
33 KR: Did you ever try to get on the radio at all?
34
35 TS: Not during enroute time.
36
37 KR: Okay.
38
39 TS: No.
40
41 KR: Once -- okay -- once you got to 97 or on the scene,
42 where did you park?
43
44 TS: I parked on Holmberg. I was west of University. I
45 came in actually from Coral Ridge.
46
47 KR: All right. There's Holmberg -- or, there's
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1 TS: I came in here.
2
3 KR: That's the 1200 building. And --
4
5 TS: I would say -- I wanna say somewhere in this area
6 right here in the grass down by the entrance.
7
8 KR: All right. When you got there, were there other,
9 uh, deputies, officers, anybody there?
10
11 TS: There was other agencies there including, uh, the
12 Broward Sherriff's Office, um, Coral Springs Police
13 Department, and I don't know who else was there
14 'cause there was a handful of unmarkeds as well.
15
16 KR: Other -- a lot of people?
17
18 TS: Um, well, from when I showed up initially, like I
19 said, I came from the west. I went all the way up
20 to Coral Ridge, uh, mainly because I saw University
21 was kind of packed up on the Sawgrass. And I knew
22 where the rally point was going, and I was
23 anticipating if I had to get up -- it didn't really
24 -- it wasn't really clear if anybody was going in
25 yet.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 TS: Um, so my intent was to get as close as quickly as
30 possible and to get to that building especially
31 since the information's being portrayed that the
32 possible -- the shooter's possibly still inside.
33
34 KR: Okay.
35
36 TS: So I went Coral Ridge to Holmberg, westbound -- or
37 eastbound. Um, and when I went in there, I would
38 say there was probably, like, 10, you know -- uh,
39 looking at body count, I'm not too sure, but I saw -
40 - at least the entrance I was at, there was about 10
41 cars there maybe.
42
43 KR: All right. Do you have an in-dash camera or just
44 body camera?
45
46 TS: Just body cam.
47
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1 TS: And body camera was activated, um, as soon I went
2 arrival -- as soon as I got out of my car.
3
4 KR: All right. Um, all right. Once you got there, you
5 got out of the vehicle. Did you hear any gunshots?
6
7 TS: No.
8
9 KR: Did you ever hear any gunshots the entire time you
10 were there?
11
12 TS: Not the entire -- not once the entire time I was
13 there.
14
15 KR: Okay. Um, once you got out of the vehicle, what'd
16 you do next?
17
18 TS: Um, my my partner and I immediately --
19
20 KR: Which was who?
21
22 TS: -- went -- uh, Detective Danny Polo.
23
24 KR: Okay.
25
26 TS: Uh, we immediately went to start advancing on the
27 building. Um, simultaneously there was, uh -- I
28 don't want to say the name because I don't remember
29 off the top of my head who it is, but there was a
30 BSO SWAT member that was standing there, um, as I
31 was -- as we were about to make our approach. And I
32 say, "Hey, you ready, let's go." And he goes,
33 "Wait, give me two seconds. I got two guys coming
34 across." I looked over, there's two other SWAT
35 members running across. Uh, they rallied with us,
36 um, and we sprinted up to our first point of cover
37 where there was a few vehicles somewhere in the
38 parking lot here. We made contact with, uh, two
39 deputies. Um, don't know who they are.
40
41 KR: Uh-huh.
42
43 TS: It'll be on the body camera. Um, just to get quick
44 intel, see where -- where's this guy at, where's the
45 last place he was seen kind of thing. They pointed
46 us to the 1200 building. Um, so we just advanced
47 onto the 1200 building immediately. Um, there was a
48 decedent outside, a heavyset white male who was
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1 building. As we went inside, there was, um -- it
2 looked like a -- your Attack team or SWAT team that
3 was inside on the first floor actively starting to
4 clear the building
5
6 KR: Your SWAT team?
7
8 TS: -- on the first floor. Not ours. Another agency.
9 I don't know whom.
10
11 KR : Yes , sir .
12
13 TS: Um, thick smoke. I would say definitely, you know,
14 the fresh smell of gunpowder. Um, we immediately
15 advanced to the second floor, clearing the
16 stairwell. Um, our radios were in and out the
17 entire time, very staticky. We were getting --
18 other agencies came with us. I wanna say Coral
19 Springs. I'm not too sure who. Um, but we were
20 hearing things on their radios that we're not
21 hearing on our radios. Um, so there's a lot of
22 conflicting information between our radio, their
23 radio. Our radios are in and out the entire time.
24
25 KR: You say they were -- they were hearing stuff that
26 y'all --
27
28 TS: They -- we were hearing stuff on their radio that
29 the possibly -- the guy possibly went over here.
30 And then we're hearing information on our radio that
31 he's possibly still inside the building. There's
32 somebody reviewing video camera --
33
34 KR: Uh-huh.
35
36 TS: -- uh, footage. And by the time we made it to the
37 second floor stairwell, 'bout we -- about the same
38 time we were about to enter the second floor, um, we
39 started getting information, broken up information,
40 that the subject was possibly on the third floor
41 coming down to the second. Um, our first instinct
42 was to hold and just in a sense let him come to us.
43 Kind of get him by surprise. Um, and in -- you
44 know, deal with whatever threat presented itself.
45
46 KR: And he never showed?
47
48 TS: Never showed. After a couple minutes went by, um,
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1 look either he's coming or he's not. Then they're
2 talking about how he went out. So we're not sure if
3 there was a second stairwell. Maybe he went out the
4 other side. So we're trying to communicate with
5 other people. Um, the SWAT member was trying to get
6 across. I know he was trying to use -- he was --
7 wound up having to use his cell phone going back and
8 forth to get any kind of communication out. We were
9 trying -- I was trying on my radio. Detective Polo
10 was trying on his. Um, I don't know about Coral
11 Springs or the other agencies that were there, but,
12 um --
13
14 KR: Did you ever hear them say that the information that
15 they were -- were reviewing was actually delayed?
16
17 TS: Twenty minute delay. Yeah, we -- I -- I heard that,
18 um, pretty much a few minutes after. And that's
19 kind of where we, like -- all right, this is --
20 either he's in or he's not cir ~here's somebody else
21 in here or they're not. But like I said, I never
22 once heard any gunshots the entire time we were in
23 there.
24
25 KR: When you -- if you would -- draw a line from your
26 car to the -- the route you took where you met up
27 with the other --
28
29 TS: Uh, the exact route's gonna be difficult, um --
30
31 KR: That that's not exact -- just
32
33 TS: But, yeah, I would say somewhere to here. I think -
34 - I wanna say there was a car parked somewhere in
35 this area here --
36
37 KR: Uh - huh .
38
39 TS: -- that we went behind. And then we went -- uh,
40 actually I'm sorry. Well, can't really cross that
41 out. But I went -- we all went along the building
42 here.
43
44 KR: Okay.
45
46 TS: And went back in.
47
48 KR: All right. Um, was there any conversation why the
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2
3 TS: We -- I wasn't gonna waste time.
4
5 KR: Okay.
6
7 TS: You know.
8
9 KR: Um, did they. say what -- well, you already said what
10 they said. Uh, all right. Did you ever come to the
11 east end of the building at all other than -- I mean
12 outside?
13
14 TS: No. The first -- except for inside the building,
15 the only other spot I went after I went inside was
16 in this general courtyard area.
17
18 KR: All right. Uh, did you see -- ever see Deputy
19 Peterson at the other end of the building?
20
21 TS: I have no idea who he is.
22
23 KR: Okay.
24
25 TS: Then, no.
26
27 KR: All right. Um, well now that you've seen the video
28 or anything like that, do you, you know --
29
30 TS: No. Now that I know who he is I don't recall
31
32 KR: seeing him?
33
34 TS: you know --
35
36 KR: Okay. All right. Um, do you have any questions
37 Randy while -- look real quick.
38
39 RB: Um, were you going to ask about the training stuff?
40
41 KR: Yeah.
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 KR: Yeah, that's -- that's next up.
46
47 RB: Outside of that, no.
48
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2
3 TS: Yes.
4
5 KR: Okay. How often do you train?
6
7 TS: Um, talking about recently --
8
9 KR: Specifically
10
11 TS: -- or are we talking about --
12
13 KR: Specifically on active shooter. Do you remember
14 when's the -- you know, how long it's been or --
15
16 TS: Um, I -- it's kind of hard for me to say agency
17 wise. I know the -- the team that I'm on -- like I
18 said, we're on a street-crimes team -- um, we train
19 pretty frequently.
20
21 KR: Okay.
22
23 TS: Um, so I would say we train at least once, if not
24 twice a year.
25
26 KR: 0 ka y . Um - -
27
28 TS: And that's just for our team. That's not a part
29 from whatever the agency does.
30
31 KR: All right. Um, how long have you been on the team?
32
33 TS: A year and a half.
34
35 KR: Year and a half?
36
37 TS: Uh-huh.
38
39 KR: Do you recall prior to that you were a road
40 deputy?
41
42 TS: Yes.
43
44 KR: Okay. Do you remember during that time taking any
45 active-shooter training?
46
47 TS: Yes, I -- but during that time frame, I was on, uh,
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1 KR: Okay.
2
3 TS: -- Force. So that was also specialized training as
4 well. Um, I know I've been through the training
5 quite a bit. As far as if it was in service or just
6 strictly specialized units' portion, I'm -- I'm not
7 a hundred percent sure.
8
9 KR: That's that's quite all right. Um, anything
10 else?
11
12 RB : No , s i r .
13
14 KR: All right. In regards to this investigation, is
15 there anything that I either failed to ask or oh,
16 wait a minute, I know one thing. What channel were
17 you operating off of? Do you recall?
18
19 TS: Initially we were on 9 ECHO, which is our TAC
20 channel for Deerfield Beach.
21
22 KR: Uh-huh.
23
24 TS: Um, And I think we had to switch to 8 BRAVO, if I'm
25 mistaken -- or, 8 ALPHA.
26
27 KR: Okay.
28
29 TS: I don't remember which one it was.
30
31 KR: And S.O. primary, uh, would that be
32
33 TS: It was their -- I think it was their main channel or
34 for Parkland, North Lauderdale, uh, Tamarac.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 TS: If it wasn't their Bravo channel, I don't remember.
39
40 KR: Okay. No problem. In regards to this
41 investigation, is there anything that I either
42 failed to ask or anything that you would like add or
43 clarify in your statement today?
44
45 TS: No.
46
47 KR: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
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1 TS: No.
2
3 KR: Has the information that you have provided during
4 this interview been the truth to the best of your
5 knowledge or recollection?
6
7 TS: Yes.
8
9 KR: This interview is concluded approximately 2:13 p.m.
10 on Thursday, June 14th, 2018.
11
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1 (INTERVIEW OF RICHARD SEWARD, EI-26-0079, 06/25/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
7 LN SPECIAL AGENT SUPERVISOR LUIS NEGRETE
8 RS DEPUTY SHERIFF RICHARD SEWARD
9 JG JULIO GONZALES, BROWARD COUNTY POLICE
10 BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY
11
12 TC: The date is Monday, June 25th, 2018. The time is
13 approximately 1337 hours. I'm Inspector Troy Cope
14 with the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
15 present at this time is Special Agent Supervisor
16 Luis Negrete. The location of this interview is the
17 BSO headquarters in CID interview room number eight.
18 The address is 2601 Broward Boulevard, Fort
19 Lauderdale, Florida.
20
21 I'll be questioning Richard Seward as a witness in
22 an official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-
23 0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
24 investigation. Also present is Julio Gonzales,
25 Broward County Police Benevolent Association
26 Attorney.
27
28 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
29 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
30 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like
31 to clarify that this is a witness statement being
32 given by you as part of the investigation into the
33 law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
34 Douglas School shooting that occurred on February
35 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
36 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
37 Do you understand?
38
39 RS: Yes, sir.
40
41 TC: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
42 aware of the following. This interview is being
43 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I'm
44 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
45 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
46 you. You'll be under oath and if you knowingly
47 provide false statements, you can be criminally
48 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
49 items I've just informed you of?
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1 RS: Yes, sir.
2
3 TC: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
4 or affirm that the information you're about to give
5 today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
6 the truth, so help you God?
7
8 RS: Yes.
9
10 TC: Okay. Could you please state your full name?
11
12 RS: Richard Seward, S-E-W-A-R-D.
13
14 TC: Okay. And your current place of employment?
15
16 RS: I am a Deputy Sheriff with the Broward County
17 Sheriff's Office and assigned to the Parkland
18 District 17 Office.
19
20 TC: Parkland District 1 7?
21
22 RS: Yes, sir.
23
24 TC: Okay. And how long have you worked in District 17
25 in your current position?
26
27 RS: Seventeen, I went there, I think in March of 2013.
28
29 TC: Okay. And how long have you been with the Broward
30 Sheriff's Office?
31
32 RS: Um, okay. I started with the North Lauderdale -- in
33 Florida, I started with the North Lauderdale Police
34 Department in 1988. Broward Sheriff's Office took,
35 uh, North Lauderdale Police Department over in 2001.
36
37 TC: Okay. Prior to BSO or North Lauderdale did you work
38 for any other agencies?
39
40 RS: New York City Police.
41
42 TC: Okay. And how long did you work for them?
43
44 RS: Uh, eight years.
45
46 TC: Okay. On the date of the incident, February 14th,
47 2018 were you working in your -- capacity as a
48 deputy with the Broward Sheriff's Office?
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2 TC: Okay. So, you were on duty when the incident
3 started?
4
5 RS: That's correct.
6
7 TC: Okay. Can you provide what your radio call sign was
8 that day?
9
10 RS: I believe I was 1 7 Bravo-10.
11
12 TC: Okay. 17-Bravo-10. Okay. And my understanding is
13 the radio channel utilizing the area is 8-Alpha?
14
15 RS: Correct.
16
17 TC: Did you utilize that radio or receive information
18 over that radio channel?
19
20 RS: Yes, sir.
21
22 TC: Okay. And 8-Alpha radio channel for Broward County
23 services Parkland, Tamarac and North Lauderdale?
24
25 RS: Correct.
26
27 TC: Okay. Can you walk us through how you became aware
28 of the incident?
29
30 RS: Okay. Um, I was on just routine patrol. I was in
31 the, uh, uh, about the 6300 Block of, uh, Holmberg
32 Road when I heard, uh, Deputy Scot Peterson, the SRO
33 at, uh, Stoneman Douglas High School. He advised of
34 shots fired via the radio.
35
36 TC: And was this over the 8-Alpha channel?
37
38 RS: Yes, it was.
39
40 TC: Okay. When the call came out did you immediately
41 recognize it to be Scot Peterson?
42
43 RS: I did, yeah.
44
45 TC: Okay. So, you had worked with Scot Peterson before
46 and know what he --
47
48 RS: Yes. And, plus he -- he -- he -- he came on with
49 his call sign which was 17-November-3, I believe.
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1 TC: 17-November-3? Okay. So, his call sign came up --
2
3 RS: Yeah.
4
5 TC: -- and then you heard the transmission?
6
7 RS: Yes.
8
9 TC: Was it just shots fired or was there anything else
10 that was going around with it?
11
12 RS: The first thing I heard was shots fired.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 RS: Yeah.
17
18 TC: Did he tell you the location?
19
20 RS: Uh, initially I don't believe he did say where it
21 was.
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 RS: But, recognizing who it was that I -- I I knew it
26 would be close to Stoneman or I assumed it would be.
27
28 TC: When you heard this information did you then
29 immediately react to head that direction?
30
31 RS: Yes, sir.
32
33 TC: Okay. How far is the 6300 Block from the high
34 school?
35
36 RS: Uh, I'm gonna --
37
38 TC: Approximately.
39
40 RS: -- I'm gonna say it's gotta be at least maybe two
41 miles, two and half.
42
43 TC: Okay.
44
45 LN: Okay.
46
47 RS: Yeah.
48
49 LN: How long did it take you to get there?
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1 RS: I got there pretty quick. I -- I -- I burned out
2 the brakes in my car --
3
4 TC: Okay.
5
6 RS: -- because I put -- I was doing some heavy, pretty
7 crazy driving -- crazy driving to get there.
8
9 LN: And once you got there kinda walk us through where
10 you arrived.
11
12 RS: Okay. I -- I -- headed eastbound, uh, I'm sorry --
13 westbound on, uh -- on Holmberg, cross over
14 University, uh, Riverside then University, then Pine
15 Island which is where the school is. I crossed Pine
16 Island. Once I crossed Pine Island, I went to the
17 first point where you could make a U-turn, which --
18
19 TC: On this -- you -- you said you like this map better,
20 uh
21
22 RS: Uh, yeah
23
24 TC: figure two?
25
26 RS: yeah.
27
28 TC: Could you kind of just draw where·you came and
29 ultimately ended up parking? Here use and you can
30 use this pen --
31
32 RS: Okay.
33
34 TC: -- whatever color you want.
35
36 RS: Uh, I'm coming this way -- you want me to draw the
37 whole line here?
38
39 TC: Yes, please.
40
41 RS: All right. I -- I'm drawing the whole line coming
42 this way. And, I guess -- I think it's right here -
43
44
45 TC: Okay.
46
47 RS: -- which would be the west entrance or exit to the
48 student parking lot. I made that U-turn, came down,
49 went back eastbound on Holmberg and I stopped right
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2
3 TC: On Holmberg Road?
4
5 RS: On Holmberg.
6
7 TC: Okay. Which puts
8
9 RS: The south side of
10
11 TC: which --
12
13 RS: Holmberg Road.
14
15 TC: Okay. South side of Holmberg Road puts you -- and
16 it puts you directly north of the 1200 building?
17
18 RS: Directly north of the east side of the building.
19
20 TC: East side of the building?
21
22 LN: Had you --
23
24 RS: Correct.
25
26 LN: -- had you received any additional information on
27 your trip -- on your way over there?
28
29 RS: You know what, uh, we did and, uh -- but, I I
30 don't remember -- specifically what it was. I I
31 know I heard something about it might be
32 firecrackers and then I heard something maybe 1200
33 building. I -- I heard a bunch of stuff, but I --
34
35 LN: Was it -- it
36
37 RS: don't really remember what.
38
39 LN: did you -- did you recognize the person relaying
40 that information as
41
42 RS: I heard Peterson
43
44 LN: Peterson?
45
46 RS: come back on the radio a couple of times, but
47 what he actually said I really couldn't tell you.
48
49 TC: Is there a reason that you chose to get to this
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1 that what directed you here?
2
3 RS: Uh, you know what, I -- I'm pretty sure it is. I'm
4 pretty sure it is. When I heard 1200 building,
5 somewhere on my way over there that's why I came
6 here.
7
8 TC: Okay. So, the information you received caused you
9 to respond to that location?
10
11 RS: Yes.
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 RS: Yeah.
16
17 TC: And it was of the 1200 building, you had heard
18 something in reference to that?
19
20 RS: I -- I heard 1200 something -- about 1200.
21
22 TC: Were you familiar prior to this incident with the
23 layout of the school?
24
25 RS: Yeah.
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 RS: Yeah.
30
31 TC: So, you knew where the 1200 was?
32
33 RS: Yeah.
34
35 TC: Okay. When you get there -- oh, when you come on to
36 Holmberg do you see any other law enforcement
37 vehicles or personnel?
38
39 RS: Uh, I'm pretty sure I did, but I can't -- I -- I --
40 I don't really know.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 LN: Okay.
45
46 RS: I don't really remember if I did or not.
47
48 TC: After you park your vehicle can you just describe
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1 RS: All right.
2
3 LN: Walk us through that.
4
5 RS: Uh, after I make the U-turn, as I jump -- pulling my
6 car off the -- on to the curb at -- on -- on to the
7 swell, I hear five -- five gunshots. I -- I thought
8 it was five -- five or six, very, very loud -- very,
9 very loud to me. They sounded like bombs. Um, I
10 didn't know exactly where they were. I -- I -- I
11 kinda got the idea that they were on -- I knew they
12 were on the campus somewhere.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 RS: That much I could've told you. Um, right after that
17 I heard somebody say that something about the
18 shooter might be on the football field.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 LN: Is that over the radio?
23
24 RS: That came over the radio.
25
26 LN: Okay.
27
28 RS: I don't remember who it was. I wanna say it was
29 Kratz, but I'm not really sure.
30
31 LN: Okay.
32
33 RS: Uh, it was either Kratz or Marchese. Um, I heard
34 somebody say about the football field. Then I I
35 know it was Marchese that said he was out with a,
36 uh, a wounded student and I believe he said on the
37 football field and he was asking for bolt cutters to
38 try to cut -- get him through the fence or something
39 like that. And, he said that a few times -- couple
40 of times.
41
42 TC: Okay. So your perception of that transmission is
43 there's an injured -- injured person on the football
44 field --
45
46 RS: Correct.
47
48 TC: -- area?
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2 TC: Okay. And bolt cutters -- potentially to access --
3
4 RS: Bolt cutters, I was assuming to access the -- 'cause
5 the football field is down -- is -- is west of -- of
6
7
8 TC: Uh-huh.
9
10 RS: -- building 12. There's building 13 and then -- a
11 little space and then a football field. And, I'm
12 assuming he was out somewhere on Holmberg wanting
13 bolt cutters to get on to the football field --
14
15 TC: Okay.
16
17 RS: -- that's what I took that as.
18
19 TC: When -- when you hear this transmission and -- and
20 correct me if I'm wrong, you heard the shots then
21 the radio transmission?
22
23 RS: Correct.
24
25 TC: Did you -- did -- first did you immediately
26 interpret what you heard as being gunshots?
27
28 RS: Yes.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 RS: Yeah, yeah.
33
34 TC: When you hear that maybe it's on the football field
35 does that make sense to what you're hearing with the
36 shots?
37
38 RS: It could've, yes.
39
40 TC: Okay.
41
42 RS: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
43
44 TC: The -- the shots didn't place -- you -- you couldn't
45 definitively identify where on campus it was --
46
47 RS: The shots --
48
49 TC: -- from --
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1 RS: -- the shots definitely sounded to me west of the
2 1200 building.
3
4 LN: Okay.
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 RS: And that's where the football field is.
9
10 TC: Okay. From that point you hear the radio
11 transmission, what do -- what do you then do?
12
13 RS: Okay. At that point I go -- I get out of my car, I
14 go to the back. I -- I have a -- a Ford Explorer.
15 I pop the tailgate, grab my vest -- I grab my vest,
16 I run to the front of -- behind the engine block to
17 throw my vest on. Um, I see another deputy pull to
18 the -- on the east side of that roadway --
19
20 TC: Uh-huh.
21
22 RS: -- of that
23
24 TC: Could you put an X approximately where you believe
25 the deputy stopped?
26
27 RS: He pulled right here, just --
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 RS: -- on on the -- on the swell just on the -- on
32 the east side of that exit from the parking lot.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 RS: Saw him pull up. Um --
37
38 LN: Do you know who he was?
39
40 RS: That was Dave Hanks.
41
42 LN: Okay.
43
44 RS: That --
45
46 LN: Okay.
47
48 RS: -- that was Dave Hanks. Um, as I'm putting my vest
49 on, I see to -- to my left because I'm facing this
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1 with a white shirt on, so I'm assuming it was a
2 motorcycle cop. I see him and -- and Dave by the
3 front of Dave's car and then the next thing I see is
4 Dave bolting diagonally across Holmberg Road.
5
6 TC: Okay. He's bolting diagonally. Where is he headed
7 towards?
8
9 RS: Well, he, he -- I found out later he was headed
10 towards Sergeant Miller who was parked, who was on
11 the north side of Holmberg Road.
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 LN: So he went --
16
17 RS: Or
18
19 LN: over
20
21 RS: or on the median --
22
23 LN: Okay.
24
25 RS: -- maybe. Do you want me -- you want me --
26
27 LN: So, he went west on --
28
29 TC: Yeah.
30
31 LN: -- west on Holmberg?
32
33 RS: I'm assuming right
34
35 LN: Just put a zero.
36
37 RS: -- is this -- is this the median?
38
39 LN: Yeah.
40
41 TC: Yes.
42
43 RS: Okay. I don't know if he was on the median or just
44 north or if he's out -- out past the median. But,
45 Sergeant Miller was a little further west of me.
46 Dave ran that way and that's -- and then I saw him
47 run and I don't remember seeing that guy with the
48 white shirt anywhere.
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2 TC: Did you communicate with them at all about what you
3 had heard of seen or anything like that? Okay.
4
5 RS: No.
6
7 TC: And then from that point -- are you -- when you are
8 by your vehicle are you taking a particular
9 position?
10
11 RS: No. I'm just basically putting on my vest. I'm
12 I'm kinda looking that way 'cause that's where I
13 think every
14
15 LN: Right.
16
17 RS: -- all the action is, is to my -- my right. I'm
18 thinking it's to the west. And, I'm -- but, I
19 didn't hear anything else so I'm trying to see if I
20 see anything down that way, but I didn't.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 RS: Um, right after he - I -- right after I see Dave
25 run towards Sergeant Miller's car, uh -- I don't
26 know how many cars, at least one, but probably more
27 -- uh, Coral Springs cops pull up behind where
28 Dave's car was.
29
30 TC: More than one, multiple?
31
32 RS: I'm -- I'm assuming it's more than one because I
33 think like four guys showed up, I think.
34
35 TC: Okay.
36
37 RS: Uh, it might've been three. I -- I don't - but,
38 they -- they they pulled up and parked behind
39 Dave's car.
40
41 TC: Okay. So, they are east of your location?
42
43 RS: They're east. You want that --
44
45 TC: Sure.
46
47 RS: Okay. That'll help.
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49 TC: Yes, thank you.
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1 RS: That -- that's --
2
3 LN: And just put CSPD. Or --
4
5 RS: CSPD -- and I -- I -- I think it was two.
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 RS: You want me to put two Xs?
10
11 TC: Yeah.
12
13 LN: Yeah.
14
15 RS: Okay. Uh, I -- I -- I --
16
17 TC: And, yeah, we understand -- I mean it's
18 approximations, you saw --
19
20 RS: Yeah, yeah.
21
22 TC: -- and you said with the -- however many vehicles,
23 but maybe four, approximately four --
24
25 RS: Three or four cops.
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 LN: Okay.
30
31 RS: Um --
32
33 LN: Did you interact with any of 'em?
34
35 RS: I did not, no.
36
37 LN: No?
38
39 RS: No. I learned later and I didn't see it happen, but
40 I guess one of 'em went somewhere out on to the road
41 and screamed over to Sergeant Miller and asked if he
42 could -- if they could cut the lock 'cause that gate
43 was -- the -- the gate to that parking lot was
44 locked.
45
46 TC: Okay. So, this -- when you first arrived, uh, when
47 you talk about gate, there's a fence that crosses --
48
49 RS: It's across the -- yeah.
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1 TC: When you arrived it was chained up --
2
3 RS: It was security.
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 RS: Yes, yeah.
8
9 TC: Okay. So, then it was not easy to get in
10
11 RS: No.
12
13 TC: -- you would've had to have scaled the fence?
14
15 RS: Exactly.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 RS: Exactly. Then when they got there, I -- I had found
20 out later and I didn't see it happen, but apparently
21 one of them screamed over to him or yelled to him,
22 "Should I cut the lock or can I cut the lock?" He
23 said yes. They cut the lock and went to the 1200
24 the east side of the 1200 building and started
25 opening the doors and started getting people out.
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 RS: Yeah.
30
31 LN: What about you?
32
33 RS: Yeah.
34
35 LN: Oh -- you went with them? Okay.
36
37 RS: Yeah.
38
39 LN: Now, all right. So, you run across the parking lot
40
41
42 RS: Well some, I'm --
43
44 LN: Okay.
45
46 RS: -- not that fast anymore. But, I -- I -- I got
47 there as quick as I could.
48
49 TC: Yeah.
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1 LN: And how many of you were
2
3 RS: They had a -- they had a head start on me because --
4
5 LN: Uh-huh.
6
7 RS: -- they were young guys. I'm not that young --
8
9 LN: Uh, but
10
11 RS: -- anymore.
12
13 LN: So, when you -- and I'm sorry.
14
15 RS: Okay.
16
17 LN: You go to the east side
18
19 RS: We -- we come in here.
20
21 LN: Uh-huh.
22
23 RS: I think I might've gone around behind these cars --
24
25 LN: Okay.
26
27 RS: -- I think. I, I, uh --
28
29 TC: Was the parking lot full of vehicles?
30
31 RS: Yeah, there was vehicles.
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 RS: Yeah.
36
37 LN: Yeah.
38
39 TC: Was there any -- were there any people inside,
40 students, faculty or anything --
41.
42 RS: No. Not --
43
44 TC: that you recall?
45
46 RS: not that I saw.
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2 LN: And when you -- you -- you arrived to the east side
3
4
5 RS: Yeah.
6
7 LN: -- right?
8
9 RS: I think I ran behind this row of -- of cars, I'm
10 pretty sure I did.
11
12 LN: Okay.
13
14 RS: -- ran behind that row of cars -- get to that east
15 side of the building and open the doors and then
16 that's when we see hell.
17
18 LN: Did you notice, uh, Deputy Peterson standing --
19
20 RS: First time I saw Peterson he was -- is that the
21 breezeway?
22
23 LN: Yeah, yes.
24
25 TC: The breezeway is right --
26
27 LN: That's right.
28
29 TC: -- here.
30
31 RS: Yeah. Okay. I saw him right there in that
32 breezeway.
33
34 LN: When?
35
36 RS: At some point when I got to the -- the door on the
37 east side.
38
39 LN: Initially when you got to the door?
40
41 RS: Some point, I don't remember --
42
43 LN: Okay.
44
45 RS: -- you know, eventually --
46
47 LN: Before you went to the building?
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1 LN: You -- you hadn't seen him before you went to the
2 building, when you came out?
3
4 RS: I don't think so.
5
6 LN: Okay. No, no that's fair.
7
8 RS: I -- I -- I
9
10 LN: All right.
11
12 RS: -- I -- I really don't remember. I know when I was
13 by this door -- see when we got to this building,
14 opened the door, saw the --
15
16 LN: Uh-huh.
17
18 TC: Yeah.
19
20 RS: -- you know all of the -- the stuff and the tiles
21 and -- and -- and the smell of the gun smoke and
22 all, saw a couple of bodies in the hallway, um, and
23 then apparently it was Dave and the other Coral
24 Springs cops that he hooked up with -- we saw them
25 down through the -- through the 1200 building.
26
27 LN: Through the hall?
28
29 RS: Through the hallway.
30
31 LN: Yeah.
32
33 TC: To the west side?
34
35 RS: To the west side --
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 RS: yeah.
40
41 TC: On the first floor?
42
43 RS: On the first floor, yes.
44
45 TC: Okay.
46
47 RS: And I don't know -- I'm pretty sure somebody said
48 it, I -- I -- or I just thought it myself, but I --
49 I -- I'm pretty sure somebody mentioned something
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1 concern.
2
3 LN: Do you mind marking where you went in?
4
5 RS: This is the entrance, correct?
6
7 LN: Yeah.
8
9 RS: Right here.
10
11 LN: Okay.
12
13 TC: Can you with this color, this highlighter
14 approximate where you saw Deputy Peterson?
15
16 RS: Deputy Peterson, the first point I saw him was over
17 here.
18
19 LN: Okay. That point --
20
21 TC: And when you say the first --
22
23 LN: in the breezeway?
24
25 TC: uh, in the breezeway.
26
27 RS: Yeah.
28
29 TC: Okay. And -- and for my clarification 'cause I
30 might've lost it when you guys were talking about
31 it, was that -- had you entered the 1200 and came
32 out and saw him or was it before you went?
33
34 RS: Don't really know.
35
36 TC: Okay. But, it's --
37
38 RS: I don't remember.
39
40 TC: at some point during this --
41
42 RS: At some point when I was by either -- when I was
43 outside the 1200 building by that east door, I saw
44 him in that breezeway.
45
46 TC: Okay. Was there anybody else standing with him?
47
48 RS: Yeah. There was about five or six or seven or eight
49 guys. I -- I -- I do recall also seeing Lieutenant
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2 TC: Okay. So --
3
4 RS: -- at some point. But, when --
5
6 LN: Multiple LEOs standing around?
7
8 RS: Correct.
9
10 LN: Okay.
11
12 RS: Correct.
13
14 LN: Um, so you go inside. You encounter the other group
15
16
17 RS: I go in
18
19 LN: on the other side?
20
21 RS: not very far because we see the other group --
22
23 LN: Uh-huh.
24
25 RS: -- and then -- then the crossfire thing --
26
27 LN: Yeah.
28
29 RS: -- comes -- comes into play. So, somebody said it
30 or, I don't know how it came about, but something
31 about the crossfire popped up. Um, so it was -- I
32 don't know if somebody said -- the -- the other
33 group went up. I don't remember specifically. I
34 think I might've saw -- seen 'em go up --
35
36 LN: Uh-huh.
37
38 RS: -- don't really remember. But, somebody also
39 mentioned something about -- or I thought of
40 something, I'm not really sure about all -- you know
41 -- if we go up there's gonna be a crossfire there
42 and if we have crossfire there -- and a big
43 crossfire, so we didn't go.
44
45 LN: So, you ended up staying
46
47 RS: We stayed downstairs --
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1 RS: Correct.
2
3 LN: -- to the second?
4
5 RS: Correct.
6
7 LN: Okay.
8
9 RS: Correct.
10
11 LN: And what did you guys start doing on the first
12 floor?
13
14 RS: A couple of rooms on the -- on the --
15
16 LN: South side?
17
18 RS: -- south side of the building, a couple of Springs
19 guys went in. I stayed pretty much in the hallway.
20
21 LN: Okay.
22
23 RS: They -- they -- uh, one of the -- one of the rooms,
24 I believe they pulled somebody out 'cause I think
25 there were two bodies when I showed up. I think
26 there were two bodies in the hall and I think they -
27 - they went in the room and -- and I guess pulled
28 somebody out and then I realized -- I guess they
29 realized they were dead and they left them. So, I
30 think when it all was said and done there were three
31 bodies laying in the hall. I'm not really --
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 RS: -- sure on that.
36
37 TC: When you first walked in, you said, uh -- I don't
38 wanna put words in your mouth, but I was recalling
39 you saying that it was smoky. Can you describe it?
40
41 RS: It was like a haze.
42
43 TC: A haze? Okay. Could you see the other end of the
44 hallway?
45
46 RS: Yeah.
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2 TC: But, it was -- there was still obstruction in terms
3 of like a smoky or haziness?
4
5 RS: It wasn't very --
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 RS: -- very, very hazy. It was -- but, it was hazy.
10
11 LN: Okay.
12
13 TC: And you describe the smell? It
14
15 RS: I think it smelled like gunpowder.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 RS: I thought I smelled gunpowder.
20
21 TC: Like if you're at the range and people --
22
23 RS: Yeah.
24
25 TC: -- are firing?
26
27 RS: Yeah, uh-huh.
28
29 TC: It -- it's -- which you would know or translate --
30
31 RS: Yeah.
32
33 TC: -- as somebody had fired a firearm?
34
35 RS: Yeah, I -- I -- I think I smelled some gunpowder.
36
37 TC: Okay. And
38
39 RS: And the haze, I've seen it before when you blow like
40 in -- inside with the -- dust comes off of these
41 acoustic tiles.
42
43 TC: okay.
44
45 RS: So, I -- I thought -- originally I thought it was
46 like a smoke bomb.
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2
3 RS: No.
4
5 LN: Okay. To what point did you guys get?
6
7 RS: Uh, maybe two or three rooms in.
8
9 LN: And what occurred?
10
11 RS: Like I said the one room they went in, they pulled
12 somebody out and I think -- I'm pretty sure they --
13 they probably realized he was dead or she was dead
14 and they -- and they left her. Then it became an
15 operation where, uh, I stayed by the door, held the
16 door open and we -- and kids started flooding out of
17 the rooms. Um, now, uh, initially we were told the
18 shooter had on an ROTC uniform. And, as I'm
19 standing there holding this -- it's double doors. I
20 was on the north double door. Uh, as kids are
21 streaming out, I'm seeing more ROTC uniforms than
22 I've ever seen in my life. And -- and we --
23
24 LN: Uh-huh.
25
26 RS: -- I'm like oh, my God. The -- there was a Coral
27 Springs cop next to me, so the first kid -- first
28 kid I saw with an ROTC uniform, I grabbed the kid
29 and I shoved him over to him. I said -- I said,
30 "Pat him down," and -- and hold. I said, "Don't let
31 him go anywhere." 'Cause my thought was, this place
32 -- now there's a bunch of cops running around here
33 with guns they're gonna see some kid in a ROTC
34 uniform and blast the kid like that. That's what I
35 thought. So, I told him, hold him. Couple of more
36 ROTC and we asked them do -- do you know who the
37 shooter was and this, that and the other. I think
38 maybe -- maybe we ended up with four or five, six of
39 'em. I don't -- I'm not sure how many. But, we had
40 a whole group of them and then -- and -- and I guess
41 -- I think it was when everybody stopped streaming
42 out then it's like I -- I told -- told the Springs
43 guy, okay them out 'cause I didn't want them running
44 by themselves.
45
46 LN: Uh-huh.
47
48 RS: Um --
49
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2
3 RS: Correct.
4
5 LN: And -- and all the kids when you were holding the
6 door, you made yourself to the west side?
7
8 RS: No, no, no. Uh, I mean, I -- I only got maybe 10-
9 feet in
10
11 LN: Okay.
12
13 RS: -- if that.
14
15 LN: Oh, so the kids were going out on the east side?
16
17 RS: They were coming out on well, uh, I -- I don't
18 know if they were going out both sides. I know they
19 were coming out
20
21 LN: No, I'm talking about on your side.
22
23 RS: Yeah. They were coming out on -- uh, they were
24 coming out on -- on the east side for sure. Um,
25 Springs guys, I -- um, I -- I think it was only
26 Springs cops, I -- I'm not sure who else was there,
27 but, the -- like they went into a couple of rooms.
28 The first or second is where they pulled somebody
29 out. And then after that happened, kids started
30 coming. They were in the hallway going, go, go, go.
31 We're all screaming at 'em, go, go, go.
32
33 TC: Were any of the injured evacuated out of those
34 areas? Out that --
35
36 RS: Yes.
37
38 TC: -- door?
39
40 RS: Yes, yes.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 RS: Yes.
45
46 TC: So --
47
48 RS: Yeah, there was a -- a girl came out. I think it
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2
3 RS: It was a big person. I don't know if it was a guy -
4
5
6 LN: Okay.
7
8 RS: -- or a girl, but she was -- whoever it was, was
9 covered in some blood.
10
11 TC: Okay. So, there were injuries that were evacuated
12 out of your --
13
14 RS: And I believe
15
16 TC: door?
17
18 RS: I believe somebody that was already dead was
19 taken out of there --
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 RS: -- and put on a golf cart -- cart, I think. I --
24
25 TC: So, golf carts came to help --
26
27 RS: Golf carts came.
28
29 TC: -- evacuate? Okay. When you were standing there at
30 the door -- and especially since you were holding
31 the door open, were you receiving any radio
32 communications or were there any difficulties with
33 that?
34
35 RS: We were hearing -- we were getting what we found out
36 later to be the 20 minute time delay on the video,
37 which -- you know what, I had mixed thoughts about
38 it because it was like okay -- somebody's looking at
39 this kid on video, but I'm not hearing no gunshots.
40 I'm like what's going on. Something's -- wasn't
41 jiving.
42
43 LN: Uh-huh.
44
45 RS: 'Cause I mean they're saying he's here, but why
46 isn't he still shooting. So
47
48 TC: Did that information slow down anything?
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2 TC: Okay.
3
4 RS: Uh, I don't think so. Not -- not as far as us where
5 I was because we weren't going up -- anyway because
6 of the crossfire situation. So, I -- I was pretty
7 much -- what we were doing wasn't gonna change
8 whatever, unless of course, he came downstairs.
9
10 TC: When -- so did you hear that information about
11 possibly being currently in the building through the
12 radio -- through the Broward County radio?
13
14 RS: I believe I did. I guess -- I don't -- most of the
15 Coral Springs had a set of earpieces in. So, I'm
16 pretty sure that stuff was coming over my radio.
17
18 TC: Okay.
19
20 RS: And the radios were never patched. So --
21
22 LN: Okay.
23
24 TC: But, you distinctly remember that that was
25 information that
26
27 RS: Oh, I heard
28
29 TC: that you received
30
31 RS: yeah, I --
32
33 LN: Right.
34
35 RS: -- I remember hearing about the -- the time delay
36 you know, and that --
37
38 TC: And probably confused because -- like you said, I'm
39 not hearing anything. But --
40
41 RS: Yeah, what's he doing?
42
43 TC: Got it.
44
45 RS: He's here and he -- and they're saying he's on the
46 second floor. I'm like, oh, okay.
47
48 LN: Where were you when you found out or when you
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2 RS: Uh, same -- by the east door.
3
4 LN: At the door?
5
6 RS: Yeah. I didn't
7
8 LN: Okay.
9
10 RS: -- I didn't -- once I got to the east door, I stayed
11 there for -- 'til at least we knew he was gone.
12
13 LN: Okay.
14
15 TC: When -- when you're standing there and I'm going off
16 some interviews, uh, at any point does anybody
17 receive a set of keys?
18
19 RS: Uh
20
21 TC: Or do keys come into play when you're standing over
22 there to -- to your recollection?
23
24 RS: You know what, I -- I don't know if -- if I was told
25 about it later
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 RS: -- or if I -- or if it happened then, but I do
30 remember hearing something about -- I think Peterson
31 gave somebody the keys --
32
33 TC: Okay.
34
35 RS: -- is what I think I heard. But I don't remember
36 seeing that.
37
38 TC: Did you
39
40 RS: I --
41
42 TC: you didn't see anybody with a large set of keys
43 or anything?
44
45 RS: I don't remember.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 RS: I don't remember.
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1 LN: Do you remember who -- who was standing around, uh,
2 Deputy Peterson?
3
4 RS: I saw Lieutenant Davita. Anybody else, I don't
5 know.
6
7 LN: Okay.
8
9 TC: They were law enforcement or were -- could they have
10 been school administrators or anything?
11
12 RS: Yes. They could've been.
13
14 LN: Okay.
15
16 RS: They could've been. I -- I kinda thought there were
17 -- there were some other -- there were some other
18 deputies there.
19
20 LN: Okay.
21
22 RS: And -- and maybe some Coral Springs cops. I -- but,
23 those are the --
24
25 LN: Okay.
26
27 RS: -- only two guys I can -- that I really know who
28 they were.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 RS: Yeah.
33
34 LN: So, about how long were you at that post?
35
36 RS: Hmm.
37
38 LN: At that -- at the door -- let's - at the door?
39
40 RS: You know what, the whole time it was so crazy. It
41 was so hard to figure out how long we did anything
42 'til. Uh, we were there for a little while. I
43 mean, I don't -- I don't know 10, 15 minutes --
44
45 LN: Okay. And, where'd you go from --
46
47 RS: maybe.
48
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1 RS: Uh, after we found out that he was gone, was out of
2 the building -- after we found out he was out of the
3 building, I think I ended up going over to they
4 had set-up a Command Post out here on, uh, uh
5
6 LN: Pine Island?
7
8 RS: Yeah.
9
10 LN: Okay.
11
12 RS: Yeah.
13
14 LN: All right.
15
16 RS: And from the Command Post -- from the Command Post,
17 uh, they -- they -- however long after it was over,
18 they said they had him. They wanted somebody go to
19 pick him up, so they sent me to go pick him up.
20 Well, when I got there, they didn't want me to pick
21 him up 'cause I don't have a camera, a body camera.
22
23 TC: Hmm.
24
25 LN: Okay.
26
27 RS: So, I was over on whatever -- Wyndham Lakes.
28
29 TC: Just another -- the point there, um -- I meant to
30 ask you in the beginning and forgot, so thank you
31 for bringing that up. Uh, were -- did you have a
32 body camera on that day?
33
34 RS: I did not.
35
36 TC: Okay. Are you guys issued body cameras?
37
38 RS: Uh, the only ones in Parkland that have body cameras
39 are the guys that are on the county budget.
40
41 TC: Okay. What does that mean?
42
43 RS: I guess each position in the in the district
44 there's a certain amount of positions. Some are
45 county -- or in Parkland the county budget guys --
46 the county pays for them. I'm on the -- I'm on the
47 city budget of Parkland and Parkland was -- does not
48 want body cameras or they didn't or their City
49 Manager didn't want --
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1 TC: So, because Parkland contracts with the -- is that
2 correct -- if I'm on -- sorry, if I'm uninformed.
3 If -- if Parkland contracts they get a say on if you
4 get money for body cameras?
5
6 RS: Well, I think the cities have to pay for them. And
7 they did not want
8
9 LN: But, but -- okay.
10
11 RS: -- they
12
13 LN: Okay.
14
15 RS: -- well, and -- and -- and there's a lot of
16 political reasons. And they did not -- they did not
17 want body cameras.
18
19 LN: All right. Uh --
20
21 RS: But, the -- the county guys have 'em.
22
23 LN: So, okay. Let's go back to this day.
24
25 RS: Okay.
26
27 LN: Um, did you interact with Peterson whatsoever during
28 that day?
29
30 RS: On that scene? No.
31
32 LN: No? All right. Uh, have you ever since?
33
34 RS: I've spoken to him.
35
36 LN: Um, after that?
37
38 RS: Yeah.
39
40 LN: Okay. And what were the conversations about?
41
42 RS: Just how he was doing pretty much.
43
44 LN: Okay.
45
46 RS: Just pretty much a personal level.
47
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2
3 LN: Uh-huh.
4
5 RS: -- I got -- I -- I talked to him a couple of days
6 before that. You know he was explaining that, you
7 know he -- he didn't hear anything. He he didn't
8 know where the -- the gunshots were and so forth.
9
10 LN: Yeah. Can you kind of elaborate on what he said
11 relating to the incident? And I know it was a
12 personal conversation, but I mean, that does go into
13 play into all this. I apologize.
14
15 RS: Uh, uh, pretty much he -- you know, he's -- he's
16 very sorry about what happened and all of that
17 stuff. But, he -- he -- he -- you know he was
18 saying he didn't -- you know had he known where the
19 guy was and -- and I know Scot for a long time and,
20 uh, I think he would've gone and -- and got him if
21 he knew where he was. I -- just from talking to him
22 and -- and the way things played out I -- I don't
23 think he knew where the guy was.
24
25 LN: Okay.
26
27 TC: Did you
28
29 RS: Uh, I'll tell you I -- when I -- like I said when I
30 heard those shots, I didn't know.
31
32 TC: Did you see the interview or watch any of the
33 interview?
34
35 RS: I did.
36
37 TC: Was the information presented in the interview
38 accurate to what he told you or were there any
39
40 RS: Yeah.
41
42 TC: -- any difference?
43
44 RS: No, it was pretty --
45
46 LN: Okay.
47
48 RS: -- it was pretty, uh
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2
3
4 RS: Yeah, I mean it was --
5
6 LN: what
7
8 RS: it was more personal than anything else.
9
10 LN: Uh-huh.
11
12 RS: I mean, you know, I mean --
13
14 LN: Okay.
15
16 RS: -- I -- I just talking to the guy and just keep --
17 you know telling him to keep his chin up and stuff.
18 I know he's been slapped around a bit.
19
20 LN: Uh-huh. So, it was pretty much -- he didn't know
21 where the shooter was at that time?
22
23 RS: Well, that's -- that's what he was telling me. He -
24 - he -- he -- he really didn't know. And, I mean, I
25 -- I get it, yeah, yeah.
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27 LN: Did he mention when he first heard shots or anything
28 along those lines?
29
30 RS: No.
31
32 LN: No? Okay.
33
34 RS: No. We really didn't wanna talk too much about this
35 -- this thing.
36
37 LN: All right.
38
39 TC: When you were standing at the door and I just wanna
40 make it clear, but I don't wanna assume, um -- at
41 any time did you see Deputy Peterson try to enter
42 the building or go into the building or help with
43 anything over on that side?
44
45 RS: You know, I um, I'm not 100-percent sure. I'm
46 pretty sure at some point he was at that door.
47
48 TC: Okay.
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2 LN: Meaning that you saw?
3
4 RS: Yeah. Like I -- he was at that -- that east side
5 door, I think. I meant, uh, but, I mean stuff was
6 happening real fast, you know.
7
8 TC: Understand.
9
10 LN: Would that have been after you guys went in?
11
12 RS: It would've been a few minutes into us or a few
13 minutes after -- after we went in and came --
14
15 LN: Okay.
16
17 RS: -- you know came -- backed out and we were basically
18 doing evacuation mode.
19
· 20 LN: All right.
21
22 TC: There's one thing, uh, again, I'm remembering from
23 some of the other interviews.
24
25 RS: Okay.
26
27 TC: I believe there's two sets of doors on that side of
28 the building.
29
30 RS: Two sets of 'em.
31
32 TC: The -- there's the doors -- there's initial doors to
33 go in, which I believe is what you're describing
34 where you stand -- where you were standing --
35
36 RS: Okay.
37
38 TC: -- like there's double doors.
39
40 RS: Right.
41
42 TC: But, where there's the staircase --
43
44 RS: Well
45
46 TC: there's another set of doors. Were -- were you
47 at the
48
49 RS: Oh.
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1 TC: was there a stairwell set of doors?
2
3 RS: If you went in
4
5 TC: Yes.
6
7 RS: -- and three or four feet in to the right is the
8 stairwell.
9
10 TC: Okay. And, so you were standing at the actual
11 hallway door?
12
13 RS: Hallway door right in the middle of the hallway.
14
15 TC: Okay. I appreciate it. I didn't wanna assume --
16
17 RS: Yeah, yeah.
18
19 TC: but I know there's another second set, I believe
20
21
22 RS: Oh, I didn't even know there was.
23
24 TC: -- uh, that other people had talked about and I
25 gotta look at pictures just to double check. But, I
26 wanted to make sure.
27
28 RS: I don't remember if there was a --
29
30 TC: You -- I don't think it would from your position,
31 you wouldn't have seen it. But, I wanted to make
32 sure it wasn't that staircase.
33
34 RS: What would that have been north?
35
36 TC: It would've -- yes, just north of that.
37
38 RS: Hmm.
39
40 LN: Um, and again, I hate to go back to it. But --
41
42 RS: Yeah.
43
44 LN: -- your conversation with, uh, Deputy Peterson --
45
46 RS: Okay.
47
48 LN: -- did he mention that he knew who, uh -- that Cruz
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1 RS: No, no.
2
3 LN: Did he know -- he didn't mention or he didn't know?
4
5 RS: Uh, he didn't mention it.
6
7 LN: Okay. Uh, did he mention anything relating, uh, to
8 him knowing where the shooter was located and not
9 wanting to go in there?
10
11 RS: Oh, no
12
13 LN: Okay.
14
15 RS: -- no, absolutely not.
16
17 LN: All right.
18
19 RS: No. He did mention -- he did mention something
20 about -- uh, who's the guy from Springs that was
21 supposedly the first guy there, Troy? He's the SRO
22 from the -- the elementary school down the block.
23 He was supposedly the first -- Troy something. Uh -
24
25
26 TC: Was it -- it was a CSPD officer?
27
28 RS: Coral Springs cop.
29
30 TC: Coral Springs? I'm sorry. Um --
31
32 RS: It begins with a B.
33
34 LN: Burton?
35
36 RS: It could be Burton.
37
38 LN: Okay.
39
40 RS: Tim Burton. He -- he did talk about him going up.
41 I -- I guess it was -- I guess a couple of days
42 after it happened, Burton said something about him
43 not going in or -- or -- and he told me -- Scot told
44 me, he said he didn't know where to go. He said he
45 told Burton, watch your back 'cause I don't know
46 where this guy is. And, I found that odd because, I
47 mean Springs was getting the 911 calls. So, um, I -
48 - why didn't Burton say something -- according to
49 Scot, Burton didn't say anything to him.
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1 LN: As to where the shooter was?
2
3 RS: Correct.
4
5 LN: Okay.
6
7 TC: Did Peterson talk about receiving any information
8 over the radio channel about the shooter's location
9 in the 1200 building?
10
11 RS: No.
12
13 TC: Okay, all right.
14
15 LN: Uh, any issues with the radio that you are aware of
16 that occurred during the incident?
17
18 RS: Uh, the -- you know I saw the -- the printouts and
19 all of that of what people were supposedly saying
20 and I -- I don't remember hearing a lot of it. But,
21 I mean, I can tell you there -- there are times --
22 there's been times up there in Parkland, especially
23 when you're out west, I mean we could be sitting
24 next to each other car-to-car and guy's next to me
25 radio will be working and they're calling you and
26 nothing came over mine -- my watch.
27
28 LN: Okay.
29
30 RS: I mean
31
32 LN: But, did you ever try to key-up during the incident?
33
34 RS: I did.
35
36 LN: Okay. Uh --
37
38 RS: Yes, I did. I got that (SOUND EFFECT) --
39
40 LN: Okay.
41
42 RS: -- that low pitched, uh
43
44 TC: The -- the term bonk?
45
46 LN: Yeah. You were bonked out.
47
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2 RS: Okay, yeah.
3
4 TC: It's actually the technical term apparently.
5
6 RS: Is that what
7
8 TC: So, yeah.
9
10 RS: Okay. Well, then -- then I got banked.
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 RS: Because I did try to -- I did try to key-up a couple
15 of times.
16
17 LN: And you were unsuccessful?
18
19 RS: Yes.
20
21 LN: Okay.
22
23 RS: Yes.
24
25 LN: Um, relating, um, to training. Uh, go 'head --
26
27 TC: Yeah.
28
29 LN: -- that's where you're about to go?
30
31 TC: Yes. Um, so as we're asking everybody to be
32 consistent, we have some questions about training.
33 Does your agency have an Active Shooter Policy?
34
35 RS: Yes, yes.
36
37 TC: Your -- your recollection, your understanding of the
38 policy for active shooters is what?
39
40 RS: If you know -- if -- if -- if he's in a school, if
41 he's in a building you go. You go in and you try to
42 hunt him down. If -- if he's not -- if he's not
43 contained somewhere or inside a building you take
44 cover and you try to find out where he's at.
45
46 TC: Does -- does your agency train in active shooter
47 response?
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49 RS: Yes.
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1 TC: Okay. How often have you been trained in it?
2
3 RS: A couple of times. I -- I don't know the exact
4 number. But --
5
6 TC: Do you recall approximately when the last time it
7 was?
8
9 RS: Probably last year.
10
11 TC: Last year?
12
13 RS: I -- I think so.
14
15 TC: Potentially? Okay. Um, in that training what does
16 it teach you to do, your impression of the training
17 in response to an active shooter?
18
19 RS: Uh, find him and kill him.
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 RS: Uh-huh.
24
25 TC: Assuming you know where the shots are coming from
26 and can locate 'em?
27
28 RS: Correct.
29
30 TC: From what you had previously said?
31
32 RS: Correct.
33
34 TC: Okay. If you don't know where they are at just to
35 clarify does it give you guidance if you're --
36 unsure where they're at what to do?
37
38 RS: Take -- take cover and -- try to find out where he's
39 at.
40
41 TC: Okay.
42
43 LN: Um, do you know of anyone else that, uh, Peterson
44 said he's spoken to since the incident?
45
46 RS: I don't. I mean I know of some civilians, uh,
47 retired guys that I know he spoke with.
48
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1 RS: Uh, what was his -- Frank -- Frank -- I forget his
2 last name, Frank Wilds.
3
4 LN: And he's retired BSO?
5
6 RS: Yeah.
7
8 LN: Anyone else?
9
10 RS: Frank Ware -- Ware.
11
12 LN: Ware? Okay. Anyone else?
13
14 RS : That ' s a 11 I know .
15
16 LN: Okay.
17
18 TC: Okay. Anything?
19
20 JG: No.
21
22 TC: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
23 I've either failed to ask or anything that you would
24 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
25
26 RS: No.
27
28 TC: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
29 for providing this statement today?
30
31 RS: No.
32
33 TC: Has the information that you've provided during this
34 interview been the truth to the best of your
35 knowledge or recollection?
36
37 RS: Yes.
38
39 TC: This interview is concluded at 1414 hours on Monday,
40 June 25th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY CHRISTOPHER SHERLOCK, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/16/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 cs DEPUTY CHRISTOPHER SHERLOCK
10 GL IOPA ATTORNEY GARY LIPPMAN
11
12
13 MP: The date is Wednesday, May 16th, 2018. The time now
14 is approximately 11:11 a.m. I am Inspector Meschelle
15 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
16 Also, present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
17 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
18 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. We'll be questioning
19 Mr. Christopher Sherlock as a witness in an official
20 FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
21 Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
22 investigation. Also, present, um, Mr. Sherlock is
23 being represented by his attorney.
24
25 GL: Gary Lippman, IOPA.
26
27 MP: Okay. On February 25th, 2018 Florida Governor Rick
28 Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
29 enforcement response to the shooting at Parkland.
30 For the record, I'd like to clarify that this is a
31 witness statement, being given by you, as part of
32 this investigation to the law enforcement response
33 to the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school shooting that
34 occurred on February 14th, 2018. You have been
35 subpoenaed to appear here today and are being
36 compelled to provide this statement. Do you
37 understand that?
38
39 CS : Yes , ma ' am.
40
41 MP: All right. And, uh, prior to going on record, we
42 gave you a copy of your supplement and report. Have
43 you had enough time to review it?
44
45 CS: Yes, ma'am.
46
47 MP: Okay. Do you need any additional time to review it?
48
49 CS : No , ma ' am .
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1 MP: Okay. And please, refer to it as much as you need to
2 throughout this interview. Okay? All right. Also,
3 uh, prior to giving this interview you should be
4 aware of the following, this interview is being
5 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I am
6 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
7 In a moment I will be taking a sworn statement from
8 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
9 provide false statements you can be criminally
10 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
11 items I've just informed you of?
12
13 CS: Yes, ma'am.
14
15 MP: Okay. Please, raise your right hand. Let the record
16 reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do you
17 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
18 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth
19 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
20
21 CS: Yes.
22
23 MP: Okay. For the record, please, state your full name?
24
25 CS: Christopher Ryan Sherlock.
26
27 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
28
29 CS: Broward Sheriff's Office.
30
31 MP: In what capacity?
32
33 CS: Road patrol.
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 CS: Pompano Beach.
38
39 MP: All right. How long have you been with the, uh,
40 sheriff's office?
41
42 CS: Since March of '07.
43
44 MP: Okay.
45
46 CS: So, 11 years.
47
48 MP: Okay. Have you always been in patrol?
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2 MP: Okay. And --
3
4 CS: I'm assigned to the SWAT team, also.
5
6 MP: Okay. All right. And how long have you been on the
7 SWAT team?
8
9 CS: Since November 2013.
10
11 MP: Okay. Um, as I indicated before going on record, um,
12 Troy and I both have questions pertaining to your
13 actions on the day of the school shooting. So, we'll
14 both be asking questions. I'll let Troy start. I may
15 chime in and ask a few questions. So, we'll just go
16 back and forth. Okay?
17
18 CS : Yes , ma ' am.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 TC: Um, just to -- to clarify, is your -- are you
23 deputy, detective, uh?
24
25 CS: Deputy.
26
27 TC: Okay. And on February 14, 2018 in response to the
28 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School,
29 um, can you provide us what your radio call sign was
30 that day?
31
32 CS: On that day, I believe, um, I would be Golf 30.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 MP: That's your SWAT call out?
37
38 CS: Yes.
39
40 MP: Okay.
41
42 TC: And do you recall what radio channels you utilized?
43 You may not have --
44
45 CS: On that
46
47 TC: keyed up. Yeah.
48
49 CS: on that day?
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2
3 CS: I was on our SRT SWAT 1 Channel.
4
5 TC: Okay. And, um -- and I know we -- you were in the
6 1200 Building. Can you just describe what you were
7 wearing during the response?
8
9 CS: I was wearing my SWAT uniform, um, OD green pants,
10 OD green shirt with, uh, SWAT logo "Broward
11 Sheriff's Office", um, my tactical vest --
12
13 MP: Uh-huh.
14
15 CS: -- with identification on it.
16
17 TC: Perfect. And, um, were you utilizing a body worn
18 camera?
19
20 CS: Yes, I was.
21
22 TC: Okay. And to the best of your knowledge, it was
23 activated during the, uh your response?
24
25 CS: It was activated once I got on scene.
26
27 TC: Okay. Perfect. And we'll just let you go. Can you
28 just from where you responded to, uh -- or from, uh,
29 just kinda walk us from there from -- during the
30 incident and how you got notified, and -- and what
31 sent you in route to the incident?
32
33 CS: Correct. Um, earlier that morning we conducted an
34 operation in Deerfield Beach, a small group of us.
35 We were released from that. We were heading back to
36 Markham Park. I was in the city of Weston at the
37 time, heading back towards Markham Park, when I
38 received a phone call from my wife, who is also a
39 deputy with BSO. She's an SRO at Quiet Waters
40 Elementary. She called me and stated that she
41 believes an active shooter is occurring in Parkland.
42
43 I immehdiately got off the phone with her. I called
44 my team leader on the SWAT team, uh, Deputy
45 Gonzalez, and I notified him of what I was informed.
46
47 MP: Do you recall what time -- around what time it was -
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50 CS: No.

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2 MP: -- when you got the call from your wife? Okay.
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4 CS: No. I can just go off of what my report says here.
5
6 TC: Sure.
7
8 MP: Okay.
9
10 CS: It says, "At approximately 14:25 I responded."
11
12 MP: Okay.
13
14 CS: So, within that timeframe.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 CS: I informed him of what I was notified. He
19 immediately went to his in-car channel and, I
20 believe, he heard what was going on. He told me on
21 the phone, "Start heading towards Parkland." I
22 immediately start my ~- heading towards Parkland.
23 Um, I got on the Sawgrass and actually ran into that
24 deputy I was telling you about, Gonzalez.
25
26 MP: Uh-huh.
27
28 CS: I just pretty much followed him.
29
30 MP: Uh-huh.
31
32 CS: Stayed behind his vehicle. We made our way up the
33 Sawgrass, exited on University, I believe. Went
34 north and made a right turn onto Holmberg --
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 CS: -- towards the school.
39
40 TC: When you were coming in, I believe, from what you're
41 describing, did you go around the round-about coming
42 from the west heading east?
43
44 CS: Yes. So --
45
46 TC: If you can see -- I know that's hard to see.
47
48 CS: Yeah. I can see.
49
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2 CS: Um, I know we were on the, um -- I believe we made -
3 - we took a route heading east in the westbound
4 lanes, I believe, towards the school.
5
6 MP: Okay. And if you would -- you can just draw, like,
7 as far as, you know, the -- the route that you took
8 and where you parked your vehicle.
9
10 CS: Okay. So, I believe we went up over here.
11
12 MP: Uh-huh. And by the time you arrived, were there
13 other law enforcement personnel vehicles already
14 there?
15
16 CS: Yes.
17
18 MP: So, it was already crowded, I guess, you would say?
19
20 CS: That's another reason why we had to go into the --
21
22 TC: In the opposite of the lane --
23
24 CS: westbound lanes.
25
26 MP: Okay.
27
28 TC: -- yeah.
29
30 MP: Okay.
31
32 CS: So, um, I believe we parked somewhere in this
33 vicinity. It's not gonna be exact, but --
34
35 TC: Sure.
36
37 CS: -- somewhere around here.
38
39 MP: Uh-huh. And here's a closer up of -- actually of
40 that area. And this -- this is the same street here.
41
42 CS: Okay.
43
44 MP: And that's Building 1200 and 1300.
45
46 CS: So, this is the street, right?
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
49
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2
3 MP: Okay. All right. All right.
4
5 CS: That general area.
6
7 TC: Yeah. Um, can you kinda draw us the -- the route you
8 took to get to Building 12?
9
10 MP: Or did you go straight to Building 12 or did you --
11
12 CS: No. Um, I can show you the route we took.
13
14 TC: Yes.
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 CS: I remember that. We got out of the vehicle. Um,
19 Gonzalez was -- Gonzo was right around here, also.
20 Sergeant Garcia. We all met up in this general area.
21
22 MP: Uh-huh.
23
24 CS: And then made our way to these buildings right here.
25
26 MP: Okay. All right. And at this time was it just BSO,
27 uh, guys with you or were there other officers from
28 other agencies?
29
30 CS: During my approach?
31
32 MP: Uh-huh.
33
34 CS: It was just myself, Garcia and Gonzo that I can
35 recall
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 CS: -- heading towards that building.
40
41 MP: All right. Did you see --
42
43 CS: But there were
44
45 MP: -- did you see other law enforcement officers?
46
47 CS: Yes.
48
49 MP: Okay. Do you recall what agencies you saw?
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2
3 MP: Okay. You don't recall any one in specific
4
5 CS: No.
6
7 MP: any particular agency? Okay.
8
9 TC: Do you have an approximation of -- of what time you,
10 uh, arrived on scene?
11
12 CS: No.
13
14 TC: Okay. All right. Maybe how long it took you from
15 when you went lights, sirens, I assume? I -- I know
16 it was probably a blur.
17
18 CS: It was a good distance.
19
20 MP: Yeah.
21
22 CS: And, um, you know, I would say -- I can only give
23 you an estimation.
24
25 MP: That's fine.
26
27 CS: Maybe 15 minutes from the call.
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 CS: And that's, you know, driving at a high rate,
32 heading up on the Sawgrass.
33
34 TC: Right.
35
36 CS: So, it was, uh -- so, a good distance to travel.
37
38 MP: Okay.
39
40 TC: And you were headed to Markham Park?
41
42 CS: Yes.
43
44 TC: Okay. And you hadn't quite got there. So, you
45 weren't responding from there, but you were --
46
47 CS: I was
48
49 TC: -- in route?
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1 CS: -- maybe five minutes away from Markham Park.
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 CS: I was in Weston.
6
7 TC: Okay. That -- that helped. Thank you.
8
9 MP: And we're just not familiar with the area. So, did
10 you have to turn around and come back towards the
11 school or was -- did you pass the park when you were
12 going, or?
13
14 CS: To get I had to -- I can't remember the route. I
15 had to go back onto State Road 84, head down to
16 Flamingo, do a U-turn to get back onto 595 to take
17 the Sawgrass.
18
19 MP: Okay. All right.
20
21 TC: Oh. I know speaking with other members, um, that
22 kinda arrived at the same area what was with the
23 SWAT team, um, was the BearCat or Bear there
24 already?
25
26 CS: No.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 CS: They, uh -- the rest of the team, they were still at
31 Markham Park
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 CS: -- training. So, they were packing up, I believe,
36 and getting ready to make their way up to the school
37 at the time.
38
39 MP: Okay. So, you were there, actually, with the -- I
40 guess, the first set --
41
42 CS: Yes.
43
44 MP: -- of SWAT members that were -- okay. All right. So,
45 from this point, um, you guys went here. Did you
46 meet up with any other SWAT?
47
48 CS: Once we got to this location we met up with, um,
49 what I assume to be detectives at the time. They
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2 MP: Uh-huh. From BSO or Coral Springs?
3
4 CS: I don't know.
5
6 MP: Okay. All right.
7
8 CS: Um, you could obviously tell that they were police
9 officers and they were, um, informing us that the
10 incident occurred in this building.
11
12 MP: Uh-huh.
13
14 TC: Okay. Which in -- you're pointing to Building 12
15 here
16
17 CS: Yes.
18
19 TC: -- on the -- on this map?
20
21 CS: I'm -- correct.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 CS: I'm pointing at Building 12.
26
27 MP: Well, uh, prior to getting here, did you hear
28 anything over the radio? Were you monitoring the
29 radios in route there?
30
31 CS: No, I was not.
32
33 MP: Okay. So, you didn't know anything else until you
34 got here and you guys started approaching the
35 building?
36
37 CS: Correct.
38
39 TC: And you were following, you mentioned, Garcia, who
40 was monitoring the radio?
41
42 CS: Yes.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 CS: And, um, Gonzo was on that radio channel, also.
47
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2 CS: So, then he --
3
4 TC: So, you were receiving the information from them?
5
6 CS: Through them.
7
8 MP: From -- from them. Okay.
9
10 CS: Yeah. So.
11
12 TC: Okay. Got it.
13
14 MP: Okay.
15
16 TC: Um, now, when you guys get there, uh, what -- can
17 you kinda walk us through what the plan was or after
18 you're getting that information?
19
20 CS: Once we got information that the shooting took place
21 in Building 12, um, we immediately made our entry
22 through the, uh, west entrance. So, we went in.
23 There were several law enforcement officers on that
24 first floor.
25
26 MP: Okay. All right.
27
28 CS: Uh, numerous at that point. Um, as soon as you made
29 that entry, they said, "Last seen on the second
30 floor." And there's a stairwell that's located as
31 soon as you make that entry. We immediately ran to
32 the stairwell and started making a movement up to
33 the second floor.
34
35 MP: Okay. And, uh -- and just for clarification, with
36 your team, at that point, was it just BSO SWAT or
37 was it --
38
39 CS: No.
40
41 MP: okay. So?
42
43 CS: It was a mixed group of officers.
44
45 MP: Okay.
46
47 CS: I mean, we had everything --
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49 TC: That's fine.
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1 CS: in that stairwell at that point.
2
3 MP: All right.
4
5 TC: In -- I just wanna back up just to make sure I'm
6 understanding, once you get the information from the
7 detectives, uh, that were there
8
9 CS: I assumed that they were detectives just because
10
11 TC: I'm sorry. The law enforcement officers, they --
12 they told, "Hey. It happened there." Um -- so, was
13 it -- would it be correct that it was you, Garcia
14 and Gonzo that then immediately went to the west
15 doors?
16
17 CS: Yeah. And, um, you know, I do recall some other guys
18 running up, also. I'm not sure, they may have been
19 with, uh, BSO, also. That --
20
21 MP: As far as SWAT?
22
23 CS: As far as SWAT, yes, just the three of us.
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 TC: Okay. And then you make the entry. Now, how did you
28 come to the knowledge that you believed the shooter
29 was on the second floor?
30
31 CS: I believe, as soon as we made entry they said that
32 he was last seen on the second floor. So, we started
33 making, uh -- they said the first floor is secured.
34
35 MP: Uh-huh.
36
37 CS: Last seen on the second. We started making a
38 movement up to the second floor.
39
40 TC: And those were officers -- the officers on the first
41 floor told you that?
42
43 CS: Yes.
44
45 TC: Okay. And would -- that wasn't something you were --
46 heard over a radio or anything?
47
48 CS: No.
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2 CS: This is all just plain talk amongst officers on
3 scene.
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 MP: Okay. Okay. So, you guys proceeded up the stairs and
8 then what?
9
10 CS: Proceeded up to the second floor. Got to the second
11 floor. There were more officers on the second floor.
12 Um, not as much as on the first. And then
13 communication, trying to figure out, has anyone made
14 it up to the third floor yet? At this point our
15 radios started giving us, um, issues. We couldn't
16 communicate. Um
17
18 MP: What -- what do you mean by "issues"? What --
19
20 CS: There was we could not k~y up. You couldn't
21 transmit. There's no way of communicating on our
22 radio.
23
24 MP: Okay.
25
26 CS: So, that's
27
28 MP: And this is with the -- the SWAT channel that you
29 guys are using?
30
31 CS: Yeah. I -- now, I just wanna make something sure.
32 I'm not really -- I'm not 100 percent sure if once I
33 got to the scene at that point if I switched over to
34 Parkland.
35
36 MP : 0 ka y . 0 ka y.
37
38 CS: Or if I stayed on the SWAT channel. But I do know,
39 once I was inside that building, we could not
40 utilize our radios.
41
42 MP: Okay.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 MP: No matter what channel you were on, the radios just
47 weren't working?
48
49 CS: At that moment the -- the regular. channel that we
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2 MP: Okay.
3
4 CS: I'm not sure if I switched over to Parkland's
5 channel
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 CS: -- prior to entering the building.
10
11 MP: Okay.
12
13 CS: Or if I stayed on our SWAT channel. That, I do not
14 recall.
15
16 TC: Okay. Um, when you were on the, you know -- the
17 second floor and the landing there, and you got the
18 doors that lead into the hallway to the second
19 floor, do you, uh, recall seeing other agency law
20 enforcement?
21
22 CS: Yes, there was.
23
24 TC: Do you recall what agency that --
25
26 CS: I believe, um, Coral Springs and Coconut Creek.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 CS: Just because of the color
I
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31 could hear their radios transmitting and that's how
32 I received some information while I was on the
33 second floor.
34
35 MP: Okay. Okay.
36
37 CS: And the information I received or recalled hearing
38 at the time, was that, um, the shooter was observed
39 on surveillance coming down from, the third floor to
40 the second floor and wearing a possible gas mask
41 with a rifle. And that kinda slowed everyone's
42 movement down, again, at that point. So, we assumed
43 he was coming down the other stairwell, 'cause we
44 had everyone on the west stairwell.
45
46 So, some time had passed. I'm not sure exactly how
47 long and then we figured out that there was a delay
48 in the surveillance, and then we started a movement
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1 MP: And how did you learn that? Was that over --
2
3 CS: That came over the radio, also. I'm not sure if I
4 heard it over someone's radio that was next to me.
5 Or just plain talk amongst all the officers on
6 scene.
7
8 MP: Okay. All right.
9
10 TC: Now, that -- that piece of information where you
11 guys are kinda holding and thinking he might be down
12 at the other end coming down, 'cause you guys have
13 that hallway covered and are not seeing anything.
14 Did that slow your response to the third floor? Or
15 would this -- did this happen in a very fluid, fast
16 motion? That's kind of the thing we're kind of -- we
17 don't know with this particular part of it, you
18 know. We hear how quick did that -- you know, you
19 guys get in and get up there --
20
21 CS: Yeah. Not -- there wasn't much -- there wasn't much
22 of a significant delay. Um, at the time, while
23 dealing with that, we're dealing with the, uh, the -
24 - the communication. So, I know, um, Gonzo was
25 running down. He was actually running downstairs
26 going outside to get information and then coming
27 back up. So, it wasn't, uh, much delaying time at
28 that point until we could figure out, is there
29 anyone else on the third floor; has law enforcement
30 made their way up to the third floor yet. Get any
31 type of communication. And then at that point when
32 we realized that this guy, um, -- the surveillance,
33 there was a delay, movement was made on up to the
34 third floor.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 TC: Um, just to make sure, um, the first name of Garcia?
39
40 CS: Oh, man. We just go off of last names.
41
42 MP: Last names?
43
44 TC: First initial?
45
46 CS: Oh, man.
47
48 TC: Yeah.
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2 CS: Yikes.
3
4 MP: We'll figure it out.
5
6 TC: We'll get it. Okay. And then Gonza?
7
8 CS: Tony.
9
10 TC: Tony?
11
12 CS: Tony Garcia.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 MP: Oh. Okay.
17
18 TC: And then Gonza is that for -- short for Gonzalez?
19
20 CS: Yes.
21
22 TC: Okay. I don't wanna assume.
23
24 CS: I'm sorry.
25
26 TC: That's all right. And I know -- I know how it is.
27 And we go by last names.
28
29 MP: Yeah.
30
31 TC: And it's just how it is. Uh, do you know, uh,
32 Gonzalez's last name? Or first name?
33
34 MP: First.
35
36 CS: First name, I believe, is Estevan.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 MP: Okay. And, um, from the time you arrived on scene
41 throughout this whole ordeal, did you ever hear any
42 gunshots?
43
44 CS: No, I did not.
45
46 MP: Okay.
47
48 TC: Um -- yeah. I'm good.
49
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2 personnel, but did you see where anyone was started
3 to set up a perimeter on the outside of the
4 buildings at all?
5
6 CS: Yes.
7
8 MP: Okay. Just
9
10 CS: There were officers in the -- I know as I was making
11 my approach, I believe, there were officers in the
12 parking lot facing towards the building. Um,
13 obviously, the roads are shut down.
14
15 MP: Uh-huh.
16
17 CS: But there were officers in the parking lot --
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 CS: facing towards these buildings here, which would
22 be the 13 and 12.
23
24 MP: 1200? Okay. Now, as you approach this 1200 Building
25 from the side that you were coming in, uh, did you
26 notice any bullet holes in the windows, uh, of that
27 building?
28
29 CS: Yes. As we made our approach the -- what I assume
30 were detectives that were on side told us, "Hey. Be
31 careful. They' re bullet holes." And they pointed at
32 the third-floor windows on the -- Building 12.
33
34 MP: Okay.
35
36 TC: Were they in a position to cover or were they on the
37 sidewalk, do you recall?
38
39 CS: They were underneath this little covering right
40 here.
41
42 TC: Okay. The over -- the --
43
44 CS: The overhang that's
45
46 TC: hang. I gotcha.
47
48 CS: in between 13 and 12.
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2
3 MP: And, again, they were just taking cover in that spot
4 or -- or they were just directing where to go, or?
5
6 CS: They were in a position where they weren't -- I
7 can't recall exactly. They weren't hiding behind
8 concrete or anything like that. They were standing,
9 you know, along Building 13 underneath the overhang.
10
11 MP: And with these guys, are these the ones that went in
12 the building with you that joined your --
13
14 CS: No.
15
16 MP: Oh. Okay.
17
18 CS: No.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 CS: I have no idea who they are.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 MP: All right.
27
28 TC: And by the time you got there, Holmberg, from the
29 other statements I got, was packed with vehicles
30 from law enforcement, parents that were getting
31 ready to pick up kids, things like that, and that
32 impeded you getting there, having to travel in the
33 lanes
34
35 CS: Yeah.
36
37 TC: -- of opposite flow?
38
39 CS: I mean, we had students running
40
41 TC: Right.
42
43 CS: -- trying to get away on Holmberg. You had a lot of,
44 uh, emergency, uh, vehicles that were on that road,
45 also. Um, law enforcement --
46
47 TC: Uh-huh.
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1 MP: Okay.
2
3 TC: Um, just switch gears. Uh, this is part of what
4 we're asking everybody, some questions related to
5 training. Um, does your agency have an active
6 shooter policy that you're aware of?
7
8 CS: Yes, it does.
9
10 TC: Okay. And, um, not the exact -- what -- what does
11 that policy -- in your mind, what does that reflect
12 in responding to an active shooter?
13
14 CS: Active shooter gives -- it states, um, solo deputy
15 or deputies may enter the building based on real-
16 time intelligence.
17
18 MP: So, it says it may -- you may enter the building?
19
20 CS: Yes.
21
22 MP: Okay.
23
24 TC: Um -- and I know it's gonna be different 'cause
25 you're SWAT. You guys get -- get training
26 constantly. But when's the last time you received
27 active shooter training?
28
29 CS: I can't say exactly the last time. We do -- we train
30 constantly every Wednesday we are training and
31 sometimes that training will consist of active
32 shooter, um, hostage rescue, building tactics as a
33 whole. Um, prior to being on SWAT I did partake in
34 active shooter that was conducted through BSO, also.
35 But that was probably back in -- I can't give the
36 exact time.
37
38 TC: Yeah. Before twenty -- I now 2013 you said you
39 joined the SWAT team.
40
41 CS: Yes.
42
43 TC: So?
44
45 MP: Prior to that?
46
47 CS: Prior to being on the SWAT team --
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1 CS: -- I did partake in an active shooter that was
2 taught by BSO.
3
4 MP: Okay. And in your training with SWAT or even back
5 then in the scenarios and stuff as far as training,
6 how are you instructed to deal with an active
7 shooter in your trainings?
8
9 CS: My training we're always taught to move towards the
10 sound of gunfire. Um, with each round that you're
11 hearing could possibly be another potential victim.
12 So, you're trying to prevent -- you're trying to
13 force that subject into a barricade. You're trying
14 to force him to surrender. Or eliminate the threat.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 MP: Okay. All right. In regards to this investigation
19 today, is there anything that we have either failed
20 to ask you or that you would like to add or clarify
21 in your statement?
22
23 CS : No, ma ' am.
24
25 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
26 for this statement today?
27
28 CS: Absolutely not.
29
30 MP: All right. Has the information you provided during
31 this interview been the truth, to the best of your
32 knowledge or recollection?
33
34 CS : Yes , ma ' am.
35
36 MP: This interview is concluded at 11:33 a.m. on
37 Wednesday, May 16th, 2018.
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l (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT IAN SKLAR, #EI-26-0079, 6/25/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
7 LN SAS LUIS NEGRETE
8 IS SERGEANT IAN SKLAR
9
10 TC: The date is Monday, June 25th, 2018. The time is
11 approximately 1522 hours. I'm Inspector Troy Cope
12 of the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
13 present at this time is Special Agent Supervisor
14 Luis Negrete. The location of this interview is BSO
15 Headquarters in CID Interview Room number 8. The
16 address is 2601 Broward Boulevard in Fort
17 Lauderdale, Florida. I will be questioning Ian
18 Sklar as a witness in an official FDLE
19 investigation, case number EI-26-0029 [sic].
20 Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
21 investigation.
22
23 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
24 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
25 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like
26 to clarify that this is a witness statement being
27 given by you as part of the investigation into the
28 law enforcement response to the Marjory Stoneman
29 Douglas school shooting that occurred on February
30 14, 2018. You've been subpoenaed to appear here
31 today and are being compelled to provide this
32 statement. Do you understand?
33
34 IS: Yes.
35
36 TC: Prior to the beginning of this interview, you should
37 be aware of the following: This interview is being
38 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer I'm
39 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
40 In a moment I'll be taking a sworn statement from
41 you. You will be under oath, and if you knowingly
42 provide false statements, you can be criminally
43 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
44 items I've just informed you of?
45
46 IS: Yes.
47
48 TC: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
49 or affirm that the information you are about to give
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1 the truth, so help you God?
2
3 IS: I do.
4
5 TC: Please state your full name.
6
7 IS: My first name is Ian, and my last name is S-K-L-A-R.
8
9 TC: Okay. Pronounced Sklar?
10
11 IS: Yes, sir.
12
13 TC: Okay. And your current place of employment?
14
15 IS: Broward Sheriff's Office.
16
17 TC: What is your title?
18
19 IS: I'm the Sergeant of the Sheriff's K-9 Unit.
20
21 TC: And how long have you served in this capacity?
22
23 IS: Um, approximately three to four years.
24
25 TC: Okay. Prior -- how long have you been with the
26 Sheriff's Office in total?
27
28 IS: About 12 years.
29
30 TC: Okay. And before you joined Broward County
31 Sheriff's Office, did you have any other law
32 enforcement experience?
33
34 IS: Yes.
35
36 TC: With who?
37
38 IS: City of Fort Lauderdale.
39
40 TC: Okay. How many years?
41
42 IS: 14 years.
43
44 TC: Okay. On February 14th, 2018, did you work in your
45 official capacity as a sergeant of the K-9 unit?
46
47 IS: Yes.
48
49 TC: Okay. And on that day, do you recall what your
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2 IS: Uh, my -- my call sign is K9500.
3
4 TC: K9500?
5
6 IS: Yes, sir.
7
8 TC: Okay. And on that day, do you recall any specific
9 radio channels you utilized?
10
11 IS: I was off duty
12
13 TC: Okay.
14
15 IS: -- when I responded to this, so I turned on my radio
16 to the Parkland channel, which, in our jargon, is 8
17 Alpha.
18
19 TC: Okay. And --
20
21 LN: How did you hear about it?
22
23 IS: Um, I, uh, heard, uh, off duty a large number of
24 sirens and police cars racing, more so than usual.
25 Um, I went
26
27 LN: You were at your house?
28
29 IS: Yes.
30
31 LN: Okay.
32
33 IS: So I, uh, went and got my radio. I don't remember
34 this, but one of the guys since then had said he had
35 called me sometime in that, too, and says, "Hey,
36 there's something going on," and, um, a long story
37 short, I was off duty, saw and heard that -- sounded
38 a little unusual, and since I was -- I'm in charge
39 of K-9, if there's a major incident, I'd be involved
40 some way. So I got my radio, turned it on and, uh,
41 heard a few transmissions that, um, caused me to get
42 dressed and to come in.
43
44 LN: Do you remember the transmissions?
45
46 IS: I don't remember the exact. I remember turning on
47 my radio, so on my phone, I get what's called a
48 Viper Text Alert. I don't know if you guys are
49 familiar with that, but it's not for every call.
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1 lot of times, it will say, um, an address, a case
2 number, and a very short blurb of what something is,
3 and then the radio channel. So I remember hearing
4 all the sirens, seeing a couple of BSO cars go
5 racing by. Um, pulled out my phone, and I saw that
6 there was a Viper alert, and it just said "Marjory
7 Stoneman Douglas," and it said "shooting," one word,
8 "shooting."
9
10 So I went and got my radio, turned my radio on to 8
11 Alpha, which is the Parkland channel, and the radio
12 transmission I remember hearing -- and I don't know
13 if it was right away or I think it was dead air for
14 a little bit -- but something of somebody getting on
15 the radio and saying that, uh, "I'm out with a
16 victim. I'm out with the shooting victim."
17 Something to that effect, and I don't remember the
18 exact words, but it sounded to me like they were out
19 with a victim of a shooting. To be honest with you,
20 I didn't know the -- the gravity of it.
21
22 TC: Got dressed, headed towards the scene?
23
24 IS: Yeah. So, um, I group, uh, paged everybody in K-9
25 to let them know. So Wednesdays are our training
26 day, so we start at 4 p.m. on training day. I'll
27 have one guy working only during the day to cover
28 emergency call-outs. So I think it was, what, 2:30
29 or 2:25, or something when this came out, so
30 obviously only one person would have been working in
31 the county at that particular time. So I sent a,
32 uh, group text or group page to the unit and just
33 said, "Hey, there's a -- a shooting at the high
34 school." And then, yeah, uh, grabbed my car and --
35 and went to the high school.
36
37 TC: Do you recall approximately how long it took to get
38 from where you responded to the -- to get to the
39 high school?
40
41 IS: So I -- I estimated in my report that I got there
42 at, um what did I say -- about 40, I think, uh,
43 2:40.
44
45 LN: I believe so, yeah.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 IS: 2:40, so --
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2 time --
3
4 IS: That's --
5
6 TC: -- which is reflected --
7
8
9 IS: -- what I --
10
11 TC: -- in the report.
12
13 IS: That's what I believe it is.
14
15 TC: Okay.
16
17 IS: Again, I wasn't really looking at a watch, but based
18 on, you know, everything --
19
20 TC: Uh-huh.
21
22
23 IS: -- that's when I believe I -- I arrived.
24
25 TC: Can you put an X, or do you recall the route that
26 you came in?
27
28 IS: I did. I came in off of Holmberg Road.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 IS: Here, and, um
33
34 TC: So you headed
35
36 IS: I'm not --
37
38 TC: -- westbound?
39
40 IS: West on -- yeah, west on Holmberg Road. Um, to be
41 honest with you, I'm not familiar with the campus.
42 Um, I've been there one time for an event at the
43 auditorium, so that's where I responded, because
44 that's where I knew. And I kinda went into this,
45 uh, front loop
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 IS: -- I guess.
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1 TC: So, uh, that would --
2
3 LN: Went down Pine Island.
4
5 TC: So what you drew -- you drew on Figure 1. You came
6 in west Holmberg and --
7
8 IS: Yes.
9
10 TC: -- then you
11
12 IS: I went south
13
14 TC: -- went onto Pine Island --
15
16 IS: -- on Pine Island.
17
18 TC: south on Pine Island
19
20 IS: And then I entered the -- the
21
22 TC: I think it's the bus loop or --
23
24 IS: Front.
25
26 LN: Front of the school.
27
28 TC: Yeah, front of the school.
29
30 IS: The front of the school.
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 IS: This -- this area in here. This parking lot. It's
35 like a loop. It definitely wasn't the south one,
36 and it wasn't this one.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 IS: It was this middle
41
42 TC: So the large
43
44 IS: section.
45
46 TC: -- rectangular-ish, uh, loop --
47
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1 IS: Directly on the east side.
2
3 TC: -- Pine Island. Okay. Perfect. Can you draw an X
4 approximately on Figure 2 where you parked your
5 vehicle?
6
7 IS: I -- I mean, look, I -- I drove in and I pretty much
8 stopped somewhere --
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 IS: -- in here, and -- and --
13
14 TC: Perfect.
15
16 IS: You know, uh, don't -- don't hold me to it, 'cause -
17
18
19 LN: Yeah. (Unintelligible) .
20
21 IS: -- I'm not sure exactly where, but I parked, you
22 know, somewhere there.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 LN: Uh-huh.
27
28 TC: Do you recall -- are you able to draw the route you
29 took to -- well, walk us through how -- you got out
30 of your car, what you did.
31
32 IS: So, um, I threw on some clothes; and when I got
33 there, I was not wearing a vest. So when I got
34 there, I -- I stopped here. I opened my door, and I
35 was grabbing my, uh, bullet-proof vest to put it on
36 and, uh, I'm not sure where, but, uh, the -- Captain
37 Jordan ran out from somewhere and ran out to me and
38 met me at my car. So I don't know where she came
39 from but, um, the captain was somewhere in the
40 parking lot and ran out, uh, to me.
41
42 LN: All right.
43
44 TC: Was there any information exchanged? What'd she
45 tell you?
46
47 IS: Yes, she was, uh, holding her radio, and she was
48 saying that, uh, she was unable to transmit, and she
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1 LN: Okay.
2
3 IS: So, I gave her my hand-held radio while I was
4 putting on my vest.
5
6 TC: Uh-huh.
7
8 IS: And she attempted to use my radio several times. So
9 I don't know what kinda radios you guys have, but
10 our radios, if the radio connects to Dispatch, it
11 will give you like a little beep, like (sound
12 effect) and then you can talk. If for some reason
13 the radio doesn't connect, uh, when you push down
14 the button, there's just a tone. It's like a
15 monotone and it's just letting you know that, you
16 know, you're
17
18 LN: Banked.
19
20 IS: Yeah, you're not --
21
22 LN: I guess that's -- that's the term we've been using.
23
24 IS: Banked?
25
26 TC: Yes.
27
28 IS: Okay. Uh, I -- I call it -- yeah. So, um,
29 basically, it means you can't talk.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 IS: So my radio did not work for her, either. Um, I
34 have -- uh, so K-9 is equipped, and I'm equipped
35 with an in-car radio, so the in-car radios we have
36 are an upgraded model. I was always told that they
37 can transmit further. You can be in Palm Beach or
38 Dade County in a pursuit --
39
40 TC: Okay.
41
42 IS: -- let's say, and the radio works. So, uh, I told
43 the captain that, "Let me try my, uh, in-car radio."
44 So I tuned the in-car radio to the Parkland
45 frequency. I usually keep that on, uh, uh -- it's
46 called a "calling channel." It's how the different
47 dispatchers talk to each other, so I can hear
48 information sometimes about things going on in the
49 county. Uh, I tuned it to the Parkland channel.
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1 push it a bunch of times. I heard the bonking
2 noise, whatever you want to call it. It didn't work.
3 And then, uh, I didn't know where to go in the
4 school. Um, I didn't know where the 1200 Building
5 was, to be quite honest with you. And, uh, the
6 captain said to me, "I need to get to the north
7 side. Take me to the north side." So she jumped,
8 uh, in my passenger's seat. I had a bunch of junk
9 on there. And then I backed out. And now I drove
10 around and came to the north side of the school.
11
12 TC: Can you draw that route on Figure 2?
13
14 IS: All right. So this one here?
15
16 TC: Yes.
17
18 IS: So then I backed out. I went up here, went over
19 here, and I believe it's this one.
20
21 LN: All right.
22
23 IS: So --
24
25 TC: The second
26
27 LN: Do you mind -- stop there for a minute.
28
29 IS: Yes.
30
31 LN: I -- I have a couple questions before we get --
32
33 IS: Yeah.
34
35 LN: -- way ahead with other things. Did you -- do you
36 recall receiving any -- or getting any additional
37 information while you were traveling from your house
38 to the school?
39
40 IS: So, as I was driving, uh, to be honest with you, I -
41 - there was kind of a dearth of information coming
42 over the radio. Looking back on it now, I don't
43 know if it was just a radio overload or whatever
44 they wanna call it. I don't know what the terms
45 are. But I didn't have a lot of information when I
46 got there. So to be honest with you, when I got
47 there I really didn't know what I had, other than I
48 knew there was a victim somewhere on the school.
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2
3 IS: No.
4
5 LN: Okay.
6
7 IS: I didn't.
8
9 LN: Um, when the captain was trying to, uh, key up, uh,
10 was there traffic coming through the radio?
11
12 IS: I don't recall much traffic at all.
13
14 LN: Okay.
15
16 IS: Because normally, uh, on a normal day, yeah, if
17 if you're talking radio, and I try to hit the
18 button, and you're talking, it won't work. It
19 seemed to me at the time it was unusual that it
20 didn't seem like anything was coming over the radio,
21 and so when you're trying to key up -- because I,
22 myself, I made a few transmissions during this --
23
24 LN : Uh - huh .
25
26 IS: -- uh, incident. But I tried numerous times to key
27 up before I was allowed to, I guess, access the
28 radio. And each time I did it, it was dead air,
29 meaning there was nobody talking. I know I can't
30 talk over you, so I listened. There's nothing. Do,
31 do, do, do. So --
32
33 LN: So you try to key up.
34
35 IS: Yeah, I'm getting frustrated because, you know, the
36 radio's not working for me.
37
38 LN: Okay.
39
40 TC: Did Captain Jordan know to head towards the 1200
41 Building or was it just the north side, to the --
42
43 IS: I --
44
45 TC: -- best of your recollection?
46
47 IS: I don't recall her exact words, but she needed to
48 get to the north side. From what I recall, there's
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1 there definitely. So she told me to take her here.
2 To be honest with you, I don't recall if she had
3 said 1200 Building or --
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 IS: -- what she had said. But, um, I drove her around.
8
9 LN: Okay. All right. Uh, keep on going.
10
11 TC: One more thing. When you got out of your vehicle,
12 correct, and at this first stop --
13
14 IS: Yes.
15
16 TC: -- did you hear any gunshots?
17
18 IS: I did not.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 LN: Do you hear any gunshots through the whole --
23
24 IS: I never heard any gunshots at all.
25
26 LN: Okay. Very well. All right.
27
28 TC: All right.
29
30 LN: So you're over here.
31
32 IS: Uh, I drive --
33
34 LN: The north side.
35
36 IS: I drive to the north side. Um, I don't know where
37 the·gate is, but -- so there's a --
38
39 LN: There's one there, and there's the other one.
40
41 IS: No. What I'm saying is, I think the gate's more
42 towards the street or what -- what's -- I'm not -- I
43 assume --
44
45 LN: Oh, okay.
46
47 IS: -- that there's a gate --
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1 IS: -- here, and then there's a pedestrian gate. So the
2 vehicle gate was closed.
3
4 TC: Okay.
5
6 IS: So, um -- but I saw there's a pedestrian gate that's
7 immediately -- so if I'm -- it would be to the west
8 side of it, so to my right. I saw that that gate
9 was open, so the pedestrian gate was open. I didn't
10 wanna block the road.
11
12 LN: Uh-huh.
13
14 IS: So I actually drove up on the sidewalk and parked my
15 car here, and the Captain got out and went into the
16 school building. And then, uh, I got out of my car.
17
18 LN: Do you see where she -- did you -- what building she
19 went into? Did you see that?
20
21 IS: Uh, to be honest with you, I did not pay attention
22 where she went.
23
24 LN: Okay. She is --
25
26 IS: She she got out
27
28 LN: she got out of her
29
30 IS: She entered
31
32 LN: (unintelligible).
33
34 IS: entered the school property from --
35
36 LN: Okay.
37
38 IS: -- the pedestrian gate, and then I -- to be honest
39 with you, I don't think I saw her again that I
40 recall.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 LN: Carry on with what you did.
45
46 IS: Um, I got out of the car and, I gotta be honest with
47 you, I don't remember exactly the -- the -- the time
48 I transmitted, but I was able to transmit. I tried
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1 what I said. But I said something to the effect of
2 that, um, I needed somebody to access the school
3 camera system. So being in K-9, uh, we routinely
4 respond to, uh, silent alarms at schools at night.
5 And so from that we know that there's, uh,
6 surveillance at all the schools, and a lot of times
7 they can be tapped into and viewed and monitored.
8
9 So I wasn't getting a whole lot of information about
10 where the suspect was. There was no shooting going
11 on. It was actually, to be quite honest with you,
12 very eerily quiet and, I mean, it was -- it was
13 almost like the school was closed. I mean, there's
14 just no movement, nothing going on.
15
16 LN: Okay.
17
18 IS: So I didn't know. Obviously, my job as a K-9
19 sergeant at that time, and not knowing what was
20 going on with the victims, was, Hey, we need to
21 initiate a search for the suspect. So I said
22 something to the effect of, "I need somebody with
23 the camera system right away." And I said, "Get
24 somebody with the principal, because Principal has
25 access to everything and knows their school." So I
26 -- I made a transmission about that.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 IS: And then, uh, somebody responded back that, "I
31 think, uh, so-and-so has the keys that can do that,"
32 or something, or there was a response back to that,
33 and then I don't recall what the time delay was, but
34 soon thereafter, uh, we started getting updates from
35 someone who was apparently watching the, uh, video -
36
37
38 LN: All right.
39
40
41 IS: -- at the school.
42
43 LN: Okay. Do you remember anything about that, uh,
44 communication exchange with regard to names? You
45 said "so-and-so." Do you remember an actual name?
46
47 IS: No, to be honest with you. And I -- to be honest
48 with you, I probably wouldn't -- if -- if you said
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1 LN: Uh-huh.
2
3 IS: To be honest with you. I mean, before this, uh,
4 happened, uh, I didn't know who Scot Peterson was,
5 so --
6
7 LN: Okay.
8
9 TC: In your -- so for your training for your position as
10 K-9, going to these alarms at schools, you -- you
11 know, get -- get in contact with the principals, or
12 whoever, so that they can get access to the TV
13 cameras and -- or how do you get --
14
15 IS: So
16
17 TC: information in those --
18
19
20 IS: typically --
21
22 TC: scenarios, and
23
24 IS: So they -- are we talking about like at night?
25 Let's say, an alarm not related to
26
27 TC: Yeah. Just to have -- and in your -- can you
28 describe your process for that?
29
30 IS: So when we respond to alarms, the -- the alarms at
31 schools, the burglar alarms are all silent alarms.
32 And obviously the goal is to allow us to capture
33 whoever is burglarizing the school. Most of the
34 schools -- I can't say all because I don't -- you
35 know, I'm not with the School Board -- but the
36 majority of the time that cameras can be, I guess,
37 remotely viewed by, uh, school board security, and
38 school board security is usually the ones that will
39 call in the alarm to us. And they' 11 say, "We' re
40 getting activations in a particular building," and,
41 um, I'm assuming they can view the cameras, because
42 sometimes they'll give us information related to,
43 "We see this" or "We see that."
44
45 TC: Just to clarify, when you're talking about school
46 board security, is that somebody physically at the
47 school or somebody at a remote location?
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1 TC: Okay. So when you talk about --
2
3 IS: But I've never
4
5 TC: the middle of the night --
6
7 IS: -- never been there.
8
9 TC: -- somebody might by monitoring it from the school
10 board who can tap into that particular school, is
11 your understanding?
12
13 IS: That's -- that's my understanding.
14
15 TC: Okay.
16
17 IS: I've never seen it first-hand, so I can't testify to
18 that. But I know there is such a thing that -- that
19 we'll call School Board security directly sometimes,
20 so we get the information directly.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 IS: How many activations? What building?
25
26 TC: Okay.
27
28 IS: You know, some are more detailed. Some schools can
29 tell you this particular wing. Others can only say,
30 you know, "On the north side of the school, and I
31 can't give you specifics."
32
33 TC: And that radio transmission that you made was to
34 basically activate that process.
35
36 IS: Uh, listen. I -- I don't know what was done before
37 I got there, but I wasn't getting information. I --
38 I realize now there was -- there was more radio
39 issues than even I was aware of. I said that to get
40 somebody to look at a camera.
41
42 LN: It's because -- yeah, yeah, definitely.
43
44 IS: Yeah, because --
45
46 TC: Yeah, understand.
47
48 IS: -- you know, my view is the school looks pretty big
49 to me. I'm not really familiar with it. And if
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1 Las Vegas where there's, like, this row of TV
2 screens. I have no idea what it is, but --
3
4 TC: Yeah.
5
6 IS: , -- I'm assuming somebody could go, and go, "Okay, we
7 have something here" or "No, this is clear." Be
8 able to provide me some type of real type -- real-
9 time intelligence, so that we could, uh, do what we
10 need to do.
11
12 TC: Understand.
13
14 LN: All right. So what happens then?
15
16 IS: Um, I -- I get my dog out of the car and I move into
17 this, uh, parking lot in the front of the school.
18 Um, we get some information that, uh, they're
19 reviewing a suspect. I believe it was first on the
20 second floor of the Building 1200. Uh, which one's
21 1200? This one here. Okay.
22
23 LN: Correct.
24
25 IS: As I move forward, uh, I do see, uh, a male, uh,
26 victim in front of the west side doors. And then,
27 uh, above him, which would be, I guess, the third
28 floor. It's kind of an art-deco-looking building, I
29 guess. But there's two little pieces that juts out,
30 and I can see that there, uh, were gunshots to the,
31 uh, window at the top.
32
33 LN: Okay.
34
35 IS: I never heard anything. I just, you know, I --
36
37 TC: No, you saw it.
38
39 IS: -- I saw that there was, what appeared to be, uh,
40 impacts to that window. So once we got information
41 that there is -- they're reviewing the suspect, and
42 I -- I don't know if I heard it wrong, but it
43 certainly sounded to me like it was live right now
44 this very second. So, uh, some SWAT operators were
45 arriving, and I took the dog and ran in with them
46 and we ran into Building Number 12 via the west side
47 doors, next to the, uh, deceased male that was
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1 LN: About how many were in your group?
2
3 IS: Uh, I -- probably about 3 or 4, maybe.
4
5 LN: Do you remember who they were?
6
7 IS: I -- I believe one of them was someone that I call
8 Gonzo, and it's Esteban Gonzalez [phonetic], who's a
9 SWAT member. He's the only one that I specifically
10 remember seeing, because, uh, as they were coming
11 up, and we're coming up together, I said, "I'm gonna
12 jump in with you guys." I kinda got the nod and --
13 and went in with them. So --
14
15 LN: All right. And what happened
16
17 IS: I -- I don't know who else was there
18 (unintelligible).
19
20 LN: When you go in, what happens?
21
22 IS: Um, went in from the west side, under the ground
23 floor, and because the intel that we got was that
24 the guy is on the second floor now, and I -- I think
25 they said second floor, and then the stairway up on
26 the third floor. But, anyway, long story short, I
27 went in and there was a -- when you go into the
28 building, to your right, which would be, I guess, to
29 the south, there's a, uh -- a stairwell.
30
31 So I went in the building with SWAT, and we went up
32 the stairwell -- excuse me -- to the second floor
33 and pause at the second floor for a little bit
34 because they were -- we were getting intel that he's
35 in the hallway. He's walking back and forth. And
36 then eventually we got information he's up on the
37 third floor. So then we went in the stairwell and
38 went up to the third floor, um, of Building 12.
39
40 So in the third floor stairwell, um, I saw the, uh,
41 rifle. It was on the landing of the, uh, stairway.
42 I didn't recognize it as the suspect's at first. I
43 thought maybe it was one of the SWAT guys' weapons
44 that put it down, maybe helped somebody or
45 something. And then there was a deceased female,
46 uh, in the stairwell, and there was a deceased, uh,
47 male in the door, I guess, or right outside the
48 door.
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1 saying, "All right. He's on the third floor. He's
2 here," and, you know, he's not here. So we didn't
3 understand exactly, I guess, what was going on. It
4 didn't click in --
5
6 LN: Uh-huh.
7
8 IS: -- that this was a delay thing. Um, I remember them
9 saying he was wearing a ROTC uniform, so there was
10 one deceased male that was on the ground. I thought
11 maybe it was him for a second, and maybe he had
12 killed himself, because the gun is here
13 (unintelligible) and then that was quickly ruled out
14 once, uh, you could look at him and see that his,
15 uh, injuries were not consistent with, you know,
16 like a suicide.
17
18 So, um, that went on for a little bit until we
19 figured out that, uh, they were -- they finally came
20 over and said -- I think they said something to the
21 effect of, "It's a 20-minute delay," or there was
22 some delay with that. So, um --
23
24 LN: Do you remember where you were at that time?
25
26 IS: I -- so, I was on the third floor landing. And
27 then, uh, some SWAT medics had come in, and the
28 female that was on the third floor landing, um, they
29 actually removed her, and I think attempted to work
30 her. So when they did that, to give them more
31 space, because I had the dog, obviously, I think I
32 backed down to the landing in between the second and
33 third floors.
34
35 LN: Uh-huh.
36
37 IS: 'Cause it kinda goes down, the --
38
39 LN: Right.
40
41 TC: Uh-huh.
42
43 IS: -- curve -- yeah, it goes down again. And I was in
44 one of the landings, and I had backed up a little
45 bit to give them more room to bring, uh, like, a
46 stretcher up and -- and bring her down. And, you
47 know, they were, uh, treating people. So
48
49 LN: Okay. When you first came into the building on the
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2
3 IS: Yes.
4
5 LN: Where?
6
7 IS: What I saw -- I -- so as soon as I -- this one here.
8 As soon as I went into this door here, I --
9
10 LN: Uh-huh.
11
12 IS: -- I kinda made that immediate right. But when I
13 glanced down the hall, I definitely saw activity
14 from people in the hallway.
15
16 LN: (Unintelligible) .
17
18 IS: When I say "activity," I mean law enforcement. But
19 I spent all of two seconds on the first floor. I
20 mean, I immediately went in the building, and we
21 went up the stairs to --
22
23 LN: Okay.
24
25 IS: -- confront
26
27 TC: Uh-huh.
28
29 IS: -- uh, the -- the shooter. So when I looked down
30 the hall as I'm running in, I definitely saw law
31 enforcement, you know, moving around, but it was a
32 very quick thing, and then I went in.
33
34 LN: Okay.
35
36 IS: And then while I was in the stairwell, there was,
37 you know, law enforcement coming up.
38
39 TC: And the information about the shooter going between
40 floor -- floors, are you hearing that on your radio
41 or was -- was there still issues with the radio
42 inside the building?
43
44 IS: There were issues, but I definitely heard a
45 transmission -- and again, I don't know who from --
46 but I heard actually multiple transmissions of "the
47 guy's in the building." And, um, normally I have a
48 -- an ear piece, a head piece that I can wear. Um,
49 in my rush to -- to come, since I was off duty, I
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1 once I was in the building, the stairwell, because
2 obviously, this guy's close. I don't want him to
3 know our location as we're trying to hunt him down.
4 So some of the information after that I did get from
5 people that were next to me. I would say, "Hey, you
6 know, what -- what was that transmission?" Because
7 I didn't want to have my radio loud and --
8
9 TC: No, I understand.
10
11 IS: Okay, uh --
12
13 TC: The -- that information, did it slow down or hamper
14 what you guys were doing? It kinda sounds like, you
15 know, the medics were coming in, still grabbing
16 people as this was going on. Did -- did that
17 information that turned out to be incorrect, did
18 that slow anything down from your perception or --
19
20 IS: Well, I mean, listen, if I'm
21
22 TC: -- the active intelligence that, you know --
23
24 IS: Well, if I'm --
25
26 TC: -- wasn't matching up.
27
28 IS: Well, listen, if I'm being honest, yeah. If you're
29 -- you know, you -- you can't help anybody if, you
30 know, you -- you're killed, also, because you have -
31
32
33 TC: Uh-huh.
34
35 IS: -- a threat that's right there. So I mean, I -- I'd
36 be lying to you if I said that didn't, you know,
37 slow things down. But it didn't stop it. Um, from
38 my view, there were, uh, BSO SWAT medics that were
39 in the stairwell with us, and they were actively
40 going and -- and helping people, uh, the entire time
41 I was there.
42
43 TC: Even with that going on?
44
45 IS: Absolutely. So --
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 IS: -- again, you know, we all could have done more if,
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2 use to you if I --
3
4 TC: Yeah.
5
6 IS: -- stop to -- to help you and --
7
8 LN: Yeah, but everything --
9
10 IS: -- the guy keeps shooting. We were always taught,
11 Hey, you know, you -- you have to address that
12 threat first and --
13
14 LN: And everything
15
16 IS: Yeah, so
17
18 LN: -- kept going, just a tactical approach.
19 Everything's just --
20
21 IS: So --
22
23 LN: -- kept on moving.
24
25 IS: But, yeah, I mean, I want to make it clear and,
26 honestly, there -- there were SWAT medics that I saw
27 known to us that were in that building actively
28 helping people while, you know, we're still getting
29 the information and everything else. So there were
30 -- there were people doing things that just --
31
32 LN: Okay. So what happens? Do you exit the building?
33
34 IS: Yeah. So I have the dog, obviously, so --
35
36 LN: Uh-huh.
37
38 IS: -- you know, I can't just leave him there. You
39 know, I need to --
40
41 TC: Right.
42
43 IS: -- so I -- I exit the building once, uh, someone's
44 able to confirm that they have him on video leaving
45 the building. I leave the building with the dog. I
46 end up putting the dog back in the car, and then my
47 car's still, uh, out here on the, uh -- the sidewalk
48 or the -- the grassy area. Um, the students are --
49 are being evacuated, and they're being evacuated
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1 custody yet, so, um, I had a -- a K-9 team of a dog
2 -- not myself -- but a dog and two, uh, handlers as
3 back-up, clear the parking lot because there was
4 cars in the parking lot. So -- so since we didn't
5 know where the guy was, I wanted to at least have
6 them clear this parking lot where --
7
8 TC: Yeah.
9
10 IS: -- we're bringing students, to make sure they're
11 safe. So that was done on -- on these two, uh, lots
12 in the front. I'm -- I'm not sure if we did this
13 one, but definitely the two, uh, wher~ the main
14 entrance is, I guess, on the north side, so that we
15 could safely evacuate the kids.
16
17 LN: Okay.
18
19 IS: And then when that was done, um, I eventually went
20 back with SWAT, and I think it's the 700 Building,
21 and this -- this quad, like --
22
23 TC: Uh-huh.
24
25 LN: Uh-huh. Yeah.
26
27 IS: -- behind the 1200 Building, and, uh, went with them
28 just, uh, helping them do their evacuations of the
29 rooms. So what they did was they went individual
30 classrooms. They kept everybody locked down. They
31 went to each individual classroom one at a time,
32 evacuated that group, had them walk out, and then,
33 uh, once they were safe and clear, then move on to
34 the next room. So that took a while, to be honest
35 with you, to do the entire school.
36
37 LN: All right.
38
39 IS: I set up a K-9 command post out here. I had a
40 scribe -- I have a dry erase board in the car, so
41 obviously there was a large response with, uh, units
42 from -- K-9 units from all over the county. So I
43 wanted everybody to check in here. So we knew who's
44 there. So with K-9 it's very important that if
45 we're gonna do a search, it has to be, uh, a very
46 detailed, systematic search. So in a humongous area
47 like this, it needs to be gridded off. I have to
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1 TC: Right.
2
3 IS: And I have to know what you're doing, to make sure
4 that it's overlapped, to make sure it's done
5 properly, to make sure there's no gaps. So I got on
6 the radio. I did hear a K-9 unit say he was gonna
7 search somewhere by, uh, a canal somewhere. And I
8 said, "No, hold on. Come to the command post here,
9 so that I can log you in and I know exactly where
10 you are, who you are, what area you're searching."
11 Because when you say "the canal," okay, what side of
12 the canal? You know? Are you on the north side of
13 the canal or the south side of the canal? Where did
14 you start? Where did you finish? I need to know
15 all that information. So, um, before we even
16 searched the -- the entire school for K-9, uh, he
17 was in custody.
18
19 TC: Okay.
20
21 IS: So in order to do an effective K-9 search, we either
22 need a start point in here. We didn't have a start
23 point. Or we needed a secure area, and then we'd do
24 an area search. So while we were dividing up the
25 areas, uh, we were notified he was in custody. And
26 then we went back to just helping, um, evacuate the
27 people from all the different rooms in the school.
28
29 TC: All right.
30
31 LN: Um, do you know -- you said you -- you never heard
32 of, uh, Deputy Peterson before this incident.
33
34 IS: Not to my knowledge.
35
36 LN: Okay. Um, did you interact with him at any point
37 during that day?
38
39 IS: So, um, I don't recall exactly at what point. It
40 was definitely later on, once things had slowed
41 down. Um, there was an armored car that was parked
42 on the main -- like, in front of that Building 12 or
43 whatever.
44
45 LN: It's the BearCat?
46
47 IS: The BearCat.
48
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1 IS: And, uh, the back doors of the BearCat were open,
2 and there was two deputies, uh, standing there, and
3 there was another deputy sitting in the BearCat. I
4 believe it was Scot Peterson sitting in the BearCat.
5 I had stopped by and one of them kinda mouthed to me
6 that that was the, uh, school resource deputy. So I
7 think, uh, I -- again, at the time, I didn't know
8 what his
9
10 LN: Uh-huh.
11
12 IS: -- what his, uh, lack of actions were at the time.
13 So, to be honest with you, I think I said something,
14 you know, "Hang in there," or something for -- at
15 the same time --
16
17 LN: Yeah.
18
19 IS: -- I don't remember exactly what. And then I went
20 on and did my thing. So I believe it was him. Um,
21 I've never seen him before.
22
23 LN: Do you remember the two deputies that were also
24 there? The one that talked to you and told you
25 that?
26
27 IS: Um --
28
29 LN: (Unintelligible).
30
31 IS: -- I think one of them, and -- his name escapes me -
32 - is the, uh -- he's like a -- he's not -- he's not
33 a SWAT operator, but he's on the SWAT Team --
34
35 LN: Okay.
36
37 IS: -- to like, uh, help them with, uh, just like
38 equipment, or get everything ready for them. And,
39 uh --
40
41 LN: What was the last name again?
42
43 IS: I -- I -- I don't recall, to be honest with you.
44
45 TC: But he might be the - like a technical assistant.
46
47 IS: He's like a -- yeah, and -- and I -- I can't think
48 of the -- the title for it. But he's -- he
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1 LN: And the other one, you don't remember?
2
3 IS: Not offhand.
4
5 LN: Okay.
6
7 IS: I just remember two people standing there. And
8 again, I walked up and, uh, one of them, I guess,
9 kinda, like, let me know, "Hey, that's the SRD," so
10 that I didn't say anything maybe that would upset
11 him. He appeared --
12
13 LN: Yeah.
14
15 IS: flustered, and sitting in the -- the back of the
16
17
18 TC: We know at some point there were two BearCats in
19 this particular area. Maybe at that time it had
20 left. Do you know for sure it was the BSO BearCat
21 or the Coral Springs BearCat?
22
23 IS: I'm pretty sure it was the BSO BearCat.
24
25 TC: Okay.
26
27 IS: But I can't say a hundred percent.
28
29 TC: Sure.
30
31 IS: Because I think ours is green. I think there's
32 might be black. I -- I don't know.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 IS: I think it was ours.
37
38 LN: Right.
39
40 TC: The one you saw was green?
41
42 IS: Again, I --
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 IS: -- I believe so. I mean, I -- I don't recall a
47 hundred percent
48
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1 IS: -- to be honest with you.
2
3 TC: Training?
4
5 LN: I -- yep.
6
7 TC: Okay. Um, we're just covering this with everybody
8 and just to be consistent. It related to training
9 and policy. Does your agency have an active shooter
10 policy?
11
12 IS: Yes.
13
14 TC: I know we don't have it in front of us. What is
15 your impression of what your response is during an
16 active shooter based off the policy?
17
18 IS: So when you get to an active shooter, if there is
19 active shooting going on and gunshots, then you're
20 expected to, uh, address that.
21
22 TC: Okay. Does your
23
24 LN: And based on you being by yourself, or waiting for
25 other resources to arrive?
26
27 IS: So, um, I -- I interpret it as this. If I'm by
28 myself, and nobody's close, then you go in by
29 yourself. If I see a car screeching in the parking
30 lot and he's 10 seconds away, I'm probably gonna
31 wait for him because it makes more sense to -- to go
32 in there. But, uh, yeah, if there's nobody close
33 and you're there, then, you know, you're expected to
34 go in and address the threat.
35
36 TC: How often is there active shooter training for you
37 guys, if there is?
38
39 IS: Um, I I was on SWAT for a long time, so we did a
40 lot of training with that. I've taken it a few
41 times over the years. Um, I think the last time I
42 took it, two, three years ago, maybe.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 IS: And then I'm scheduled to take it again this year,
47 um, in the next couple months, I think.
48
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1 IS: I think there's some classroom portion, and then
2 there is scenario based training.
3
4 LN: Okay.
5
6 TC: Does the training reflect your perception of the
7 policy that, you know, the shooting's going on,
8 you're alone, go towards it and -- and kinda what
9 you said?
10
11 IS: Yeah, to -- to what I remember, and again, I've been
12 to it several times over the years, but, um, I
13 remember them having blanks and shooting off blank
14 guns to simulate the gunfire, and yeah, you're
15 expected to -- to react.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 IS: We've done it in single, double, and back in the day
20 we used to have a quad formation and different
21 things. But now you're -- you're expected to go and
22 do something.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 LN: Good.
27
28 TC: Good. In regards to this investigation, is there
29 anything that I either failed to ask you or anything
30 that you'd like to add or clarify in your statement
31 today?
32
33 IS: Not at this time.
34
35 TC: Have you been promised anything in exchange for
36 providing this statement?
37
38 IS: No.
39
40 TC: Has the information that you have provided during
41 this interview been the truth to the best of your
42 knowledge or recollection?
43
44 IS: Yes.
45
46 TC: Okay. This interview is concluded at 1552 hours on
47 Monday, June 25th, 2018.
48
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1 (INTERVIEW OF DEPUTY JOSH STAMBAUGH, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/16/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
8 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
9 JS DEPUTY JOSH STAMBAUGH
10 GL GARY LIPPMAN, ESQ
11
12 MP: The date is Wednesday, May 16, 2018. The time now is
13 approximately 1:31 p.m. I am Inspector Meschelle
14 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
15 Also, present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
16 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
17 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. We'll be questioning
18 Josh Stambaugh as a witness in an official FDLE
19 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. Inspector
20 Keith Riddick is in charge of this investigation.
21 Mr. Stambaugh is being represented by his attorney
22 today.
23
24 GL: Gary Lippman, IUPA.
25
26 MP: Okay. On February 25th, 2018, Florida Governor Rick
27 Scott ordered FLOE to investigate the law
28 enforcement response to the shooting that occurred
29 at Parkland. For the record, I would like to clarify
30 that this is a witness statement that's being given
31 by you as part of this investigation and to the law
32 enforcement response to, uh, the Marjory Stoneman
33 Douglas school shooting that occurred on February
34 14, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to appear today
35 and are being compelled to provide this statement.
36 Do you understand that?
37
38 JS: Yes, ma'am.
39
40 MP: Okay. And, also, for the record, um, did you have
41 ample enough time to review your supplemental
42 report?
43
44 JS: Yes, ma' am.
45
46 MP: Okay. Did you need additional time to review it?
47
48 JS : No, ma ' am.
49
50 MP: All right. And, also, know that you can refer to it

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1 any time during this interview.
2
3 JS: Okay.
4
5 MP: Okay?
6
7 JS: That's fine.
8
9 MP: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
10 should be aware of the following: this interview is
11 being recorded; as a sworn law enforcement officer,
12 I'm empowered to administer oaths and take
13 statements.
14
15 JS: Okay.
16
17 MP: In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
18 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
19 provide false statements you can be criminally
20 charged with perjury~ Do you understand that?
21
22 JS: Yes, ma'am.
23
24 MP: Okay. Please, raise your right hand. Let the record
25 reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do you
26 solemnly swear or affirm that the information you're
27 about to give today is the truth, the whole truth,
28 and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
29
30 JS: Yes, ma'am.
31
32 MP: All right. Please, state your full name for the
33 record.
34
35 JS: Deputy Josh Stambaugh.
36
37 MP: Okay. And your current place of employment?
38
39 JS: Broward County Sheriff's Office.
40
41 MP: In what capacity?
42
43 JS: Deputy Sheriff in Tamarac.
44
45 MP: All right. And how long have you been with the
46 sheriff's office?
47
48 JS: Coming up on 24 years in August.
49
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1 positions that you've held at the, um, sheriff's
2 the areas that you've worked in at the sheriff's
3 office?
4
5 JS: Mainly Road Patrol. I worked at the jail for a
6 couple years and then it's been Road Patrol for the
7 last --
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 JS: -- almost 22 years.
12
13 MP: All right. Um, as I mentioned to you before on the
14 record, uh, Troy and I both have questions for you.
15 He'll start. I may chime in and ask questions.
16
17 JS: That's fine.
18
19 MP: And we'll both just, you know, go from there.
20
21 JS: Okay.
22
23 MP: Okay?
24
25 JS: Yep.
26
27 MP: All right.
28
29 TC: All right. Uh, starting off with some of the -- the
30 mundane stuff. On February 14th, 2018 and your
31 response to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School,
32 um, do you recall what your radio call sign was that
33 day?
34
35 JS: I think I was working an off-duty detail at, uh,
36 Mary Help of Christians, at 6000 University Drive,
37 and I think -- I'm not positive. I think it was, uh,
38 17 Foxtrot 20.
39
40 TC: 1 7 Foxtrot
41
42 JS: 20.
43
44 TC: -- 20. Okay. Do you recall the, um, radio channels
45 you utilized during the response?
46
47 JS: Eight -- 8 Alpha. ·
48
49 TC: Okay. And our understanding is that 8 Alpha, from
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1 Tamarac and North Lauderdale?
2
3 JS: North Lauderdale. Yes, sir.
4
5 TC: Okay. Is there any other --
6
7 JS: No.
8
9 TC: -- is -- that's
10
11 JS: The three
12
13 TC: Those are the three --
14
15 JS: three cities. Yes.
16
17 TC: (unintelligible)? Okay.
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 TC: And, um, during the course of the response, uh, at
22 any time was a body-worn camera activated?
23
24 JS: Yes, sir.
25
26 TC: Okay. And does that have any specific ID to you, the
27 actual physical camera, um, identification number,
28 or --
29
30 JS: Probably my name and CCN number.
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 JS: 77 58 is my ID number.
35
36 TC: Okay. And I think that's -- 7758 is on the report?
37
38 JS: Yes.
39
40 TC: Okay. And, um, I guess, we'll walk you through. So,
41 we got the three maps there, and we'll walk you
42 through from how you became, uh, aware of the
43 incident and your response. And, um, what we're
44 doing is getting everybody, you know, from the
45 larger scale where you came in from the direction,
46 and then it gets progressively closer in terms of
47 where you may have parked and -- and the routes you
48 may have walked and everything.
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1 TC: Okay? Does that make sense to you?
2
3 JS: No. That's -- I gotcha. No problem.
4
5 TC: And yeah. Yeah. We got the blue pen
6
7 JS: That's fine.
8
9 TC: -- and if you want to be real artistic, we have
10 everything else there. So, just walk us through. You
11 -- you already said you were in an off duty, uh,
12 capacity. Um, just start walking us through how you
13 got notified
14
15 JS: Okay.
16
17 TC: -- and then the actions that followed?
18
19 JS: The -- over the radio. Uh, I was working off-duty
20 detail at Mary Help of Christian, which is on
21 University and the Sawgrass.
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 JS: Uh, radio came over -- that deputy at the high
26 school came over saying that there was shots fired.
27 I responded. I went down northbound on University
28 Drive and westbound on Holmberg. I parked -- stopped
29 my vehicle somewhere around this gate right -- right
30 around here --
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 JS: -- kinda westbound. And I have a Chevy Tahoe.
35
36 TC: Okay.
37
38 JS: Uh, when I was exiting my vehicle, I heard it's
39 either four or five shots and then the shooting
40 stopped. When I exited my vehicle, I went to the
41 rear of my vehicle. I have a pull-out toolbox. I
42 opened it from the rear gate of my vehicle. Uh,
43 opened the toolbox. I got my vest. I went to the
44 rear of my vehicle, strapped my vest --
45
46 TC: Uh-huh.
47
48 JS: -- you know, strapped it up securely. Popped my
49 camera onto the best itself. And then multiple units
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1 unit on the south side of the school and nobody
2 answered. And I took the position. I, you know,
3 answered up on the radio. So, I ended up going
4 westbound on Holmberg to University Drive.
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 JS: And then I went back onto the Sawgrass because I
9 thought the Saw -- you know, being up on the
10 Sawgrass, I could see the whole side of the school
11 and I had binoculars, and I could get, you know --
12
13 TC: Uh-huh.
14
15 JS: -- a vision of the whole side of the school. So, if
16 he was anywhere in that school, on the stairwells, I
17 could, you know, get vision of it and I can advise
18 on the radio.
19
20 TC: Okay. Um, so, from here you --
21
22 JS: I -- I got --
23
24 TC: -- you traveled westbound.
25
26 JS: I -- I traveled westbound, and then I traveled
27 southbound on University.
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 JS: I got onto the Sawgrass. I had to loop around. I
32 don't know where the loop is --
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 JS: -- but I ended up, you know, getting off the
37 Sawgrass and coming back around. And then I was up
38 on the bridge.
39
40 TC: Here's the school here.
41
42 JS: I was like
43
44 TC: Do you approximate where you ended up?
45
46 JS: My truck was probably in the, uh, breakdown lane,
47 probably right --
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 JS: -- right about here.
2
3 TC: Can you --
4
5 JS: And like I said, I was
6
7 MP: So, you went from here
8
9 JS: I went here. Yeah.
10
11 MP: If you could just draw that --
12
13 JS: Okay.
14
15 MP: -- the route that --
16
17 JS: I'm sorry about that.
18
19 MP: No. You're fine.
20
21 JS: I did it on this one. Okay.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 JS: Where's Holmberg?
26
27 TC: Holmberg is right here.
28
29 JS: So, I went from right about here, and then I drove
30 up to University. Got onto the Sawgrass, and then I
31 came down. And I'm not sure which road I got off on.
32 And then I came back up and around.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 MP: Okay. Okay. And so that did put you at a good
37 position where could see?
38
39 JS: That put me perfect. I could see the whole -- I was
40 up above the school, so I could see. You know, I
41 thought it would be better. You know, I could see
42 everything. I could see the field.
43
44 MP: Uh-huh.
45
46 JS: I could see the -- the -- sorry about that. I could
47 see the whole, you know -- whole side of the school.
48
49 MP: Okay.
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1 JS: And then I had my spy glasses, and I was, you know,
2 walking up and down trying to locate him in the
3 school.
4
5 MP: Okay.
6
7 TC: The -- for the drawing purposes for whenever we're
8 documenting earlier, could you put a "1" over this
9 position.
10
11 JS: 1?
12
13 TC: Yes. 'Cause that's the first spot you stopped.
14
15 JS: Okay.
16
17 TC: And then the same thing, you put a "1" here and a
18 then a "2" --
19
20 MP: "2" where you ended up.
21
22 TC: -- at where you stopped, because that'll help us.
23
24 MP: Uh-huh.
25
26 JS: It's just approximate.
27
28 TC: Yeah. Oh. No. No. No.
29
30 JS: Okay
31
32 TC: We know this is not to scale.
33
34 MP: Yeah. That's that's good. Yeah. Yeah,
35
36 JS: Okay.
37
38 TC: None of that. Um --
39
40 MP: Yes.
41
42 TC: -- uh -- yes.
43
44 MP: Yeah.
45
46 TC: And so
47
48 MP: Well, before we go any further, how far of a drive
49 was it from your previous location to get to the
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2 JS: I don't -- I have no idea. I couldn't even -- I
3 don't know.
4
5 MP: Okay. Ten, 15 minutes maybe?
6
7 JS: No.
8
9 MP: Or --
10
11 JS: I was going fast, obviously. I don't -- I don't
12 know.
13
14 MP: Okay. All right. So -- but you responded immediately
15 once you heard --
16
17 JS: Yes.
18
19 MP: -- that? Okay. And were you in, uh, your uniform
20 similar to what
21
22 JS: Yes, ma'am.
23
24 MP: -- you have on today? Okay.
25
26 JS: Yes, ma'am.
27
28 MP: And then you put on your tactical gear, just to, uh
29 go --
30
31 JS: Yes.
32
33 MP: -- back over what you just said. You put on your
34 tactical gear. Then -- then that's when you heard
35 over the radio that they needed someone to take a
36 position
37
38 JS: On the south side.
39
40 MP: on the south side?
41
42 JS: Yeah. The the dispatcher kept asking for somebody
43 on the south side of the school.
44
45 MP: Okay. So, you --
46
47 JS: Nobody answered.
48
49 MP: -- got back in your car and --
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1 JS: Yeah.
2
3 MP: -- then drove? Okay.
4
5 JS: Yep.
6
7 MP: To the south side? Okay.
8
9 TC: Um, let me, uh, just back you up. The 14:23 in the
10 report that it says you responded, and I want to
11 make sure that we' re correct. "Responding" means --
12 that's not when you arrived on scene.
13
14 JS: No.
15
16 TC: That's when you became (unintelligible).
17
18 JS: That's what time that I -- yeah. That's what time.
19
20 TC: Okay. And, um and as you said, you're not exactly
21 sure how long it took you --
22
23 JS: No, sir.
24
25 TC: -- to get there? Okay. Um
26
27 JS: I had my camera activated though.
28
29 TC: During -- when you were driving?
30
31 JS: When I was driving.
32
33 TC: Okay. So, was the camera activated whenever, uh, the
34 -- the gunshots --
35
36 JS: Yes.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 MP: Yeah. 'Cause you said you had just --
41
42 JS: Yes.
43
44 MP: -- put on your tactical vest and then you --
45
46 JS: No. When I exited my vehicle, I heard four or five
47 shots. When I got -- when I opened up the trunk, it
48 was done. There was no more shots.
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1 JS: Right when I was exiting my vehicle, I heard it was
2 either four or five shots --
3
4 MP: Uh-huh.
5
6 JS: -- and then the shot -- shooting st~pped.
7
8 MP: Okay.
9
10 JS: Completely stopped.
11
12 MP: So, your body camera didn't capture it?
13
14 JS: It did.
15
16 MP: Oh. It did?
17
18 TC: It did.
19
20 MP: Okay.
21
22 JS: It was on. It was on.
23
24 MP: Got it.
25
26 JS: You heard -- yeah.
27
28 MP: Got it. Okay.
29
30 JS: It got it.
31
32 TC: The --
33
34 JS: It was activated.
35
36 TC: When, um -- you stated over the radio you heard a
37 deputy indicate that there was shooting at the
38 school?
39
40 JS: Yes.
41
42 TC: And I'm sorry if I phrased that incorrectly. Um --
43
44 JS: I don't remember his exact words.
45
46 TC: Okay. But do you know who the deputy was or could
47 you identify who it was?
48
49 JS: I didn't know who --
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2
3 JS: -- I don't know who it was.
4
5 TC: But coming over the 8 Alpha Channel?
6
7 JS: Yes, sir.
8
9 TC: Okay. And
10
11 MP: Could you tell whether it was a BSO deputy or --
12
13 JS: I didn't know.
14
15 MP: -- or a Coral Springs?
16
17 JS: They just, uh -- I didn't know who it was.
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 JS: I didn't know who it was.
22
23 MP: Okay.
24
25 TC: When you're en route, are you still listening to the
26 radio channel?
27
28 JS: Yes.
29
30 TC: Uh, what other information do you recall when you're
31 responding?
32
33 JS: I don't recall.
34
35 TC: Okay.
36
37 JS: I just was going.
38
39 TC: Uh-huh.
40
41 JS: You know, getting there.
42
43 TC: Was there any reason that made you say, I'm gonna
44 come to the north side of the school?
45
46 JS: There was a unit in front of me that was going
47 westbound, and he ended up going all the way west.
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 JS: And I was just following him up, and then I stopped.
2
3 TC: So, you stopped. That -- that unit continued?
4
5 JS: Yes.
6
7 TC: Okay. Do you recall if that was a Broward, uh --
8
9 JS: It's a -- yeah.
10
11 TC: It was a Broward deputy?
12
13 JS: Yes.
14
15 TC: Was it a marked vehicle?
16
17 JS: Marked vehicle.
18
19 TC: Okay. Did you recall if it had "Parkland" on the
20 side or any of the other identifiers?
21
22 JS: I didn't I just saw it from the back.
23
24 TC: Okay. Um
25
26 MP: At that time, had you received any information about
27 what building
28
29 JS: No.
30
31 MP: -- um, the shooter was possibly in?
32
33 JS: No.
34
35 MP: Could you tell from when you got out of the car
36 where the
37
38 JS: I just heard
39
40 MP: shooting was
41
42 JS: I just heard
43
44 MP: coming from?
45
46 JS: shots. I had no idea where they were coming from.
47
48 MP: Okay.
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2 JS: There's a lot of -- you know, looking at it from
3 above, there's a lot of, you know, congestion with
4 the buildings. I had no idea.
5
6 TC: What -- uh, when you parked you parked at the
7 gate and you get out.
8
9 JS: I was on the westbound lane.
10
11 TC: Correct.
12
13 JS: Yeah.
14
15 TC: Okay. So, you were --
16
17 JS: Away from it.
18
19 TC: -- away from the gate?
20
21 JS: You got the eastbound lane, and then the westbound
22 lane.
23
24 TC: Okay. So, you're not right up against a gate or
25 anything?
26
27 JS: No, sir.
28
29 TC: You' re across the street?
30
31 JS: Yes, sir.
32
33 TC: We know there's a big median. And you're across the
34 street?
35
36 JS: Yes.
37
38 TC: Uh, was there anything obstructing your view of
39 Building 12 from there? Hindsight 20/20 we know
40 where this is. Um, was there anything -- were you
41 did you have a clear view of the school?
42
43 JS: On the side?
44
45 TC: Yes.
46
47 JS: Other than trees --
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 JS: -- yeah.
2
3 TC: So, you recall that there were trees --
4
5 JS: Yes.
6
7 TC: -- in front of you?
8
9 JS: I didn't even know where Building -- Building 12
10 was.
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 MP: Now, you said you came in this way, and your --
15
16 JS : No. I came up.
17
18 MP: Oh. You came you came that way?
19
20 JS: I came up -- from the end -- the end of this is
21 University Drive.
22
23 MP: Okay. And you were
24
25 JS: My -- my school, if you go down University Drive,
26 the Sawgrass Expressway is right here. I'm just up,
27 like, two blocks north of the Sawgrass on the east
28 side of the roadway.
29
30 MP: Okay. So, you weren't that far away at all?
31
32 JS: No.
33
34 MP: Okay. Okay. And so, when you come up University you
35
36
37 JS: I came down, uh -- north on University and then west
38 on Holmberg.
39
40 MP: Perfect. Got it. Okay.
41
42 TC: Um, and -- and I know we're hitting on the details
43 just 'cause, you know, for our scope --
44
45 JS: I --
46
47 TC: we're just trying to -- trying to get it.
48
49 JS: I understand.
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1 TC: From when you opened the door --
2
3 JS: Right when I opened --
4
5 TC: Were you driving with your window down?
6
7 JS: No, sir.
8
9 TC: Okay. So, you opened the door. The door was open is
10 when you heard the gunshots?
11
12 JS: Yes.
13
14 TC: Okay. Uh, how -- when you opened the door to get out
15 of your car, how quickly was it from that that
16 action that you heard the gunshots?
17
18 JS: When I opened the door.
19
20 TC: Okay. As soon as you open it --
21
22 JS: Yeah.
23
24 TC: -- you hear four to five?
25
26 JS: Four to five.
27
28 TC: Can you describe the sound of the shots?
29
30 JS: Gunshots.
31
32 TC: Rapid succession or --
33
34 JS: (Unintelligible)
35
36 TC: -- you know, like, bang, bang, bang, or --
37
38 JS: Just bang, bang, bang.
39
40 TC: Okay. Um, and then you get -- you immediately
41 respond? Or sorry. Get back --
42
43 JS: To the back
44
45 TC: to your truck?
46
47 JS: of my truck.
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 JS: The back of my truck it's got the hatch that opens
2 up.
3
4 TC: Yeah.
5
6 JS: And then it's a double -- it's a big, um -- I don't
7 even know what they call them. The volts. Some kind
8 of volt.
9
10 TC: Sure.
11
12 JS: You know, pulled it out. Grabbed the vest. Threw my
13 vest on. Went to the rear of my truck to strap
14 myself completely up, and then, like I said,
15 numerous units were arriving.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 JS: And then Dispatch was saying, you know, "We need
20 somebody on the south side."
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 JS: Nobody answered up. I went over to the south side.
25
26 TC: Got back in your car --
27
28 JS: Yes.
29
30 TC: -- to the south side? Okay. As you're outside
31 strapping up, numerous units are responding?
32
33 JS: Yep.
34
35 TC: Okay. Um, does anybody stop, ask for directions from
36 you?
37
38 JS: No.
39
40 TC: Or ask what's going on or anything like that?
41
42 JS: (No audible response.)
43
44 TC: Do you have any interaction with any other law
45 enforcement when you're at this position?
46
47 JS: I don't remember. No.
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 MP: Can you recall what agency personnel you saw? Were
2 they all BSO or were there other agencies?
3
4 JS: I don't recall.
5
6 MP: Okay.
7
8 JS: I don't recall.
9
10 MP: All right.
11
12 TC: Um, when you're doing that, do you see the students
13 exiting the building, anything like that? Towards
14 the high school, is there anything that you noticed
15 going on?
16
17 JS: No. There was a couple deputies inside the, uh,
18 fenced-in area. There's a gate, I guess. I don't
19 know exact.
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 JS: You know, I don't exactly where the gate is. We'll
24 say the gate is here. There were a couple of
25 deputies inside the fenced-in area --
26
27 TC: Okay.
28
29 JS: -- already.
30
31 TC: So, looking
32
33 JS: And then there were --
34
35 TC: towards the school --
36
37 JS: deputies behind me.
38
39 TC: looking south --
40
41 JS: Looking --
42
43 TC: towards the school --
44
45 JS: you're looking south, they would be in and to the
46 right a little bit.
47
48 TC: Okay. You saw other
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1 TC: -- deputies? Or, like, BSO deputies you could
2 identify?
3
4 JS: I don' t know.
5
6 TC: Not the people in terms of --
7
8 JS: Two deputies.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 JS: I don't know who they were.
13
14 TC: Inside the gate?
15
16 JS: Yes.
17
18 TC: Okay. So, when you arrived, um, were there units
19 already on the scene?
20
21 JS: No. Like I said, the one was in front of me, and he
22 went up top.
23
24 TC: Okay.
25
26 JS: And, um -- and then there was one behind me
27 originally.
28
29 TC: Okay. So, where these deputies responded from would
30 be --
31
32 JS: I have no idea.
33
34 TC: Okay. You just saw
35
36 JS: I have no idea.
37
38 TC: -- people there? There wasn't --
39
40 JS: Yes.
41
42 TC: -- they're -- you didn't notice their car parked in
43 that area?
44
45 JS: I don't know where they were.
46
47 TC: Got it.
48
49 JS: I saw them, and I'm just, you know --
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1 TC: Okay.
2
3 JS: -- directing -- trying to figure out where the shots
4 were coming from, and I don't know where their cars
5 were.
6
7 TC: Okay. Uh, at any time during this portion did you
8 try to key up on the radio?
9
10 JS: No, sir.
11
12 TC: Okay. Uh, did you report, you know, you heard
13 gunshots or anything?
14
15 JS: No.
16
17 TC: Or tried to do that? Okay.
18
19 JS: I didn't.
20
21 TC: Were you hearing other reports about gunshots
22 starting that time?
23
24 JS: I heard, uh, one deputy saying that, uh, the kids
25 were running towards him, and they were asking for,
26 uh -- if anybody had bolt cutters.
27
28 TC: Okay.
29
30 JS: For the -- to open up the gate. And that one, uh
31 I don't know how old was, uh, shot in the leg.
32
33 TC: Okay. And I forgot if you answered, so I apologize.
34 Um, did you at any time receive information that it
35 was Building 12 where the shooting was?
36
37 JS: I don't recall.
38
39 TC: Okay.
40
41 JS : I don' t know.
42
43 TC: Um, the deputies that you witnessed here while you
44 were on scene, when you got back into your vehicle,
45 did you notice where they -- were they still there
46 or had they repositioned?
47
48 JS: Other -- other units pulled up. Like I said, I don't
49 know who they were. And I didn't -- I didn't notice
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2
3 MP: Now, when you got back to -- when you drove here to
4 position number 2
5
6 JS: Yes.
7
8 MP: -- what took place from that moment -- from that
9 time?
10
11 JS: Numerous -- numerous units, uh, responded, and they
12 were up, actually, on the Sawgrass.
13
14 MP: Uh-huh.
15
16 JS: And then numerous units were coming in where I
17 could, you know, visually see them down -- you know,
18 coming up, you know, through the parking lot. I
19 guess it's the, uh, front entrance to the school,
20 the staff parking lot.
21
22 MP: Uh-huh.
23
24 JS: Numerous units, uh -- I know there were, uh, people
25 in plain clothes. There was a bunch of people, um,
26 who were on the south side of the school.
27
28 MP: Okay. So, could you see any, um -- I guess as they
29 were -- this is where you're talking about, this
30 area here?
31
32 JS: Um --
33
34 MP: Well, yeah. 'Cause this is that, right? Am I --
35
36 TC: The Sawgrass would be --
37
38 JS: I would say --
39
40 MP: This would be the Sawgrass here.
41
42 JS: -- somewhere in the --
43
44 MP: And this would be the
45
46 JS: This is a parking lot, correct?
47
48 MP: This here is the administrative
49
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2 MP: yeah. There.
3
4 JS: parking lot?
5
6 MP: Yep. Uh-huh.
7
8 JS: I don't remember what building it was.
9
10 MP: Okay.
11
12 JS: They were down -- they were coming in. They were
13 down on the sides of the building.
14
15 MP: Okay.
16
17 JS: I don't remember which (unintelligible).
18
19 MP: So, you just saw the --
20
21 JS: Yeah. Units --
22
23 MP: the -- the law enforcement --
24
25 JS: coming in.
26
27 MP: person coming in?
28
29 JS: Yes. Yes.
30
31 MP: Could you see or tell whether or not there were
32 people already in positions --
33
34 JS: No.
35
36 MP: -- um, near the building or you just --
37
38 JS: No. They were
39
40 MP: around the building?
41
42 JS: taking positions over on the south side. I could
43 see. But inside I couldn't see anything.
44
45 MP: Okay. All right. Um, okay. Did anyone else, uh, join
46 you here?
47
48 JS: There were, uh --
49
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2 JS: a bunch.
3
4 MP: that started
5
6 JS: FH FHP --
7
8 MP: to do what you were doing?
9
10 JS: pulled up. A bunch of people pulled up.
11
12 MP: Uh-huh. Okay.
13
14 JS: I don't remember, you know --
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 JS: -- who -- who. But they were numerous.
19
20 MP: No. That's -- that's fine.
21
22 JS: 'Cause units were coming from everywhere.
23
24 MP: Okay. Now, as the students start to evacuate, could
25 you tell which way they were coming out?
26
27 JS: The deputy that was out here was saying they were
28 running across the west side.
29
30 MP: Uh-huh.
31
32 JS: And, uh, when I was up top, I did not see them. So,
33 whoever ran out, had already been out of the school.
34
35 MP: Okay. So, you didn't see any students coming out --
36
37 JS: No.
38
39 MP: -- maybe this way towards the football field, or
40 anything like that?
41
42 JS: No. When I was up on the Sawgrass, I saw no kids.
43
44 MP: Okay.
45
46 TC: Um, do you recall from this position, uh, any of
47 your time when you were hear looking at the school,
48 did you notice anything about any of the buildings,
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1 JS: No.
2
3 TC: Okay.
4
5 JS: No.
6
7 TC: And so, it's accurately reflected. You got out of
8 the vehicle. You went to the trunk. Got your gear.
9
10 JS: Yes.
11
12 TC: Ready to go. And then from the -- from --
13
14 JS: I threw it on. I went to the rear -- the passenger
15 side, strapped myself up and at that time, like I
16 said, a dispatcher was saying, "We need somebody on
17 the south side. South side." So --
18
19 TC: Back into the car?
20
21 JS: -- I got in, 'cause other units were arriving.
22 Nobody answered up on the radio, so I went.
23
24 TC: Um --
25
26 JS: And I -- I, uh -- I'm almost positive I told her
27 that I was en route over. I took the position on my
28 end.
29
30 TC: Okay.
31
32 JS: On the radio.
33
34 TC: And, um, besides the two, uh, deputies that you saw
35 here, any other law enforcement that you saw?
36
37 JS: There was a unit behind me.
38
39 TC: Okay.
40
41 JS: Here. And like I said, here. And then the units just
42 started coming up.
43
44 TC: And with the units, was there anybody standing by
45 the unit?
46
47 JS: I don't recall.
48
49 TC: Okay. And same here, was there anybody standing --
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1 JS: I went by them so fast.
2
3 TC: Got it.
4
5 JS: I --
6
7 TC: Okay.
8
9 JS: I just went. When they're -- you know, they kept
10 saying it. I got over there as quick as I could.
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 JS: And I flew.
15
16 TC: And, obviously, we know there's a distance here, uh,
17 from there. You you would not be able to identify
18 the names of these
19
20 JS: No, sir.
21
22 TC: -- deputies? Okay.
23
24 MP: Did you have any issues with the communications, um,
25 during this whole ordeal, being able to hear over
26 the radio or key up and call in when you needed to?
27
28 JS: I said I was en route.
29
30 MP: Uh-huh.
31
32 JS: And like, uh -- like I said, when they were -- when
33 I was en route, I didn't -- I don't remember -- it
34 was static. I don't remember.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 JS: I just -- you know, if I heard it, I went. And, uh -
39
40
41 MP: It -- it -- well, you did hear them when they said
42 they needed someone on the --
43
44 JS: Yeah.
45
46 MP: -- south
47
48 JS: They -- yeah.
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1 JS: Yeah. When I was there --
2
3 MP: All right.
4
5 JS: -- she was saying, you know, "Get a unit on the
6 south side --"
7
8 MP: Okay. Could you
9
10 JS: "-- for the perimeter (unintelligible)."
11
12 MP: -- hear anything else from that point on of what the
13 communication that was being given from -- you know,
14 from when you left there
15
16 JS: I don't remember --
17
18 MP: and went to --
19
20 JS: what it was.
21
22 MP: Okay.
23
24 JS: They were talking on the radio and then, um,
25 somebody was watching the video -- uh, Sergeant, uh
26 -- I think it was Sergeant Ross [phonetic] was
27 watching the video and, you know, giving
28 descriptions of the kid and where he was going.
29
30 MP: Okay. So, you did hear that over the radio?
31
32 JS: Yes. Yes.
33
34 MP: Okay. All right.
35
36 TC: Um, I guess, with the transition, kinda is a
37 different aspect, which we're asking everybody. It
38 doesn't matter what agency coming in. Just regarding
39 trainings. And, um, the first one regarding training
40 is, um, we ask: does your agency have a active
41 shooter policy?
42
43 JS: I'm not sure.
44
45 TC: Okay. Um, have you ever attended any active shooter
46 trainings?
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48 JS: Yes.
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4 JS: It was years ago. I don't -- I don't recall.
5
6 TC: Okay.
7
8 JS: It was a long time ago in the port.
9
10 TC: In the port?
11
12 JS: I did in the port.
13
14 TC: Okay.
15
16 JS: We did it in, uh -- um, uh, open, um -- uh, I don't
17 know what they call it. The dock. You know, where
18 the boats come in?
19
20 TC: Right.
21
22 JS: They had the -- you know, where the -- all the
23 baggage and everything.
24
25 TC: Okay. So, in the terminal of the port?
26
27 JS: The terminal.
28
29 TC: Gotcha.
30
31 JS: Thank you. Sorry.
32
33 TC: No.
34
35 JS: In the terminal.
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 JS: We did it in the terminal.
40
41 TC: Um, do you recall how -- well, you said, "years
42 ago." Five? More than five?
43
44 JS: I don't remember.
45
46 TC: Okay. Um --
47
48 MP: Even with your in-service training and with
49 different scenarios, I'm sure -- well, I -- I assume
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2 shooter, or whatever the case may be. When you have
3 those type of, uh, trainings, how are you trained to
4 deal with the threat?
5
6 JS: We go in as a group, you know, three or four people,
7 and then we take care of the threat.
8
9 MP: Okay. In regards to this investigation is there
10 anything that we have either failed to ask you or
11 that you would like to add or clarify in your
12 statement today?
13
14 JS : No, ma ' am.
15
16 MP: Okay. Have you been promised anything in exchange
17 for your statement today?
18
19 JS : No, ma ' am.
20
21 MP: Okay. Has the information you provided during this
22 interview been the truth, to the best of your
23 knowledge or recollection?
24
25 TC: Just one more thing. Just on the drawing, just
26 what's on there, can you write, uh -- just a "D"
27 with this by where the -- the deputies to represent,
28 'cause I'm gonna forget. There. I -- I don't want
29 that mixed up with anything else.
30
31 JS: I think there were some trees over here.
32
33 TC: Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
34
35 JS: You' re welcome.
36
37 TC: I apologize.
38
39 MP: No problem. Has the information you provided during
40 this interview been the truth, to the best of your
41 knowledge or recollection?
42
43 JS : Yes , ma ' am .
44
45 MP: Okay. This interview is concluded at 1:53 p.m. on
46 Wednesday, May 16, 2018.
47
48 JS: Thank you, guys.
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50 TC: Thank you.

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1 (INTERVIEW OF ROBERT VALDES, #EI-26-0079, 5/16/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 MP INSPECTOR MESCHELLE PITTMAN
7 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
8 RV ROBERT VALDES
9 GL ATTORNEY GARY LIPPMAN, IUPA
10
11 MP: The date is Wednesday, May 16th, 2018. The time now
12 is approximately 2:54 p.m. I am Inspector Meschelle
13 Pittman of the Office of Executive Investigations.
14 Also present at this time is Inspector Troy Cope.
15 The location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge
16 Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. We'll be
17 questioning Mr. Robert Valdes as a witness in an
18 official FDLE investigation, case number EI-26-0079.
19 Inspector Keith Riddick is in charge of this
20 investigation.
21
22 Mr. Valdes is being represented by his attorney.
23
24 GL: Gary Lippman, IUPA.
25
26 MP: Okay. On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott
27 ordered FDLE to investigate the law enforcement
28 response to the shooting in Parkland. For the
29 record, I would like to clarify that this is a
30 witness statement being given by you as part of the
31 investigation into the law enforcement response to
32 the Marjory Stoneman Douglas School shooting that
33 occurred on February 14th, 2018.
34
35 You have been subpoenaed to appear today and are --
36 you are being compelled to provide this statement.
37 Do you understand that?
38
39 RV: Yes, ma' am.
40
41 MP: Okay. And, uh, before going on record, we allowed
42 you to -- a time to review your report. Do you feel
43 you had adequate enough time to review it?
44
45 RV: I did.
46
47 MP: Okay. Do you need any additional time?
48
49 RV: No, it
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1 MP: Okay. And feel free to refer to it any time during
2 this interview.
3
4 RV: Okay.
5
6 MP: Okay? Uh, before, uh, begin the interview, you
7 should be aware of the following. This interview is
8 being recorded. Um, as a sworn law enforcement
9 officer, I am empowered to administer oaths and take
10 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
11 statement from you. You will be under oath and if
12 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
13 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
14 that?
15
16 RV : Yes , ma ' am.
17
18 MP: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
19 record reflect that he's raised his right hand. Do
20 you solemnly swear or affirm that the information
21 you're about to give today is the truth, the whole
22 truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
23
24 RV: I do.
25
26 MP: All right. For the record, please state your full
27 name.
28
29 RV: Roberto Valdes.
30
31 MP: All right. And your current place of employment?
32
33 RV: Uh, Broward Sheriff's Office, North Lauderdale
34 District.
35
36 MP: Okay. In what capacity?
37
38 RV: Crime suppression team.
39
40 MP: Okay. How long have you been with the Sheriff's
41 Office?
42
43 RV: Since, uh, January 2015.
44
45 MP: Okay. And prior to that, do you have -- did you
46 have any law enforcement experience prior to the
47 Sheriff's Office?
48
49 RV: Yes, ma'am. I worked for the City of Homestead in
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2 MP: Okay. Any before that?
3
4 RV: No.
5
6 MP: Okay. And, uh, what area do you work in right now?
7 Um --
8
9 RV: North Lauderdale, which is next to Tamarac.
10
11 MP: Okay. As a patrol officer or --
12
13 RV: As a crime suppression detective.
14
15 MP: Oh, okay. You did just say that. And are you a
16 member of the SWAT team?
17
18 RV: No.
19
20 MP: Okay. Um, how we're gonna do this today, Troy and I
21 both will have questions for you. I'm gonna let him
22 start. I'll chime in and ask a few questions here
23 and there.
24
25 RV: Okay.
26
27 MP: So we'll just go back and forth. Okay?
28
29 TC: Yeah. I get to start off with the boring stuff. On
30 -- so on February 14, 2018, when you responding to
31 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, um, do you
32 recall what your radio call sign was?
33
34 RV: What I remember is I was sitting at the, uh, North
35 Lauderdale District Station and I remember someone
36 go over the radio saying that there was possible
37 shots fired.
38
39 TC: Sure. Before we get into that, your call sign. Do
40 you remember, like, if you keyed up?
41
42 RV: Oh.
43
44 MP: Your radio name.
45
46 TC: Your radio call sign.
47
48 RV: Uh, yeah, 15 Yankee 4.
49
50 TC: 15 Yankee 4. Okay. Gotcha. And then, um, what

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1 radio channels did you utilize during the incident
2 that you recall?
3
4 RV: It was, um, 8 Alpha.
5
6 TC: Okay. And from previous interviews, we've been
7 privy to that. That entails North Lauderdale,
8 Tamarac, and Parkland?
9
10 RV: Correct.
11
12 TC: Okay. And that's like, the main channel for it.
13
14 RV: For those three cities.
15
16 TC: Do you think -- did you -- do you recall if you used
17 any other channels during that?
18
19 RV: I -- I think at one point, we did switch over to a
20 TAC channel.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 RV: But I don't remember.
25
26 TC: Okay. Gotcha. On that day, uh, can you describe
27 what you wearing when you responded?
28
29 RV: I was wearing this uniform --
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 RV: -- which is green, uh, BDUs with a, um, a -- a shirt
34 and a tactical vest.
35
36 TC: Okay. And did you have a body-worn camera, uh, when
37 you --
38
39 RV: I did.
40
41 TC: Okay. Um, so where you were going for it and how
42 you got involved, if you could just walk us through
43 what you heard, what made you respond towards the
44 school and then as you get closer to where it makes
45 sense, as I said, if you can draw, you know, where
46
47
48 RV: Okay.
49
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1 where you ended up parking and -- and then your
2 approach to the school.
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4 RV: Um, I was sitting at the North Lauderdale District
5 Station, uh, doing paperwork and I hear over the
6 radio a deputy come on saying that there's possible
7 shots fired at MSD.
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 RV: Um, at that time, I got into my car, which is an
12 unmarked vehicle with lights and sirens and went
13 lights and sirens. Um, I took, I believe Rock
14 Island Road north to Southgate. Southgate west to
15 University Road. University north, um, I don't know
16 until when, um, where I saw another unit and I
17 started following them because I was not sure where
18 the school really was.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 RV: I'm not really familiar with Parkland.
23
24 MP: Do you recall what time it was that you, um, heard
25 this over the radio? What time you responded?
26
27 RV: Probably, uh, 2:20 or so.
28
29 MP: Okay. Okay.
30
31 RV: Um, North Lauderdale is, like, 10, 15 miles away
32 from Parkland.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 MP: Okay.
37
38 RV: So it took me, like, a good 10, 15, 20 minutes to
39 get there with traffic and people not seeing my
40 lights and --
41
42 MP: Right. Uh-huh.
43
44 RV: -- and stuff like that. Um, at some point, we went
45 to Pine Island Road. I don't remember which road we
46 took to -- to get to Pine Island Road and we I
47 went north on Pine Island Road and went west on
48 Holmberg Road.
49
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2 MP: Yeah. Uh-huh.
3
4 TC: -- yeah. Coming in there and then going west on
5 Holmberg there. Okay. And then --
6
7 MP: Is that where you kind of park in that area?
8
9 RV: Yeah.
10
11 MP: Okay.
12
13 RV: Like, right there.
14
15 TC: Can you just put the X there? Oh, you got it. And
16 then, if you go to the next page
17
18 MP: It's just a closer-up of that.
19
20 RV: Okay.
21
22 MP: If you think you can put an X to approximately --
23 okay. So to give you bearing, obviously, here's the
24 12 building, here's the 13 building. We got the
25 parking lot and so if you recall, to the best of
26 your recollection, where you stopped your vehicle?
27
28 RV: It's, uh, right here.
29
· 30 TC: Okay.
31
32 MP: Okay.
33
34 TC: Um, when you're on -- are you still listening to the
35 radio when you're enroute?
36
37 RV: Um, I am listening to the radio. I didn't know that
38 it was an actual shooting
39
40 TC: Okay.
41
42 RV: -- until almost at the school when someone said
43 something about there's, um, someone with a gunshot
44 wound by the fence. We need bolt cutters or
45 something like that.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 RV: The entire time, I don't really think we were
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2 TC: Okay. Do you -- uh, in terms of, did you notice
3 that it appeared to be an (unintelligible) was there
4 an issue with the radio in getting that information
5 out or was it just the chaos of the scene?
6
7 RV: I -- I think at first, it was just -- we weren't
8 getting any information from any 911 calls or --
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 RV: -- we didn't -- I I don't think that there was an
13 actual Dispatch. It was just all self-initiated by
14 a deputy.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 MP: And -- and, again, what did you recall the deputy
19 saying initially?
20
21 RV: It was "possible shots fired --"
22
23 MP: Just possible shots
24
25 RV: -- "at the school."
26
27 MP: Okay. Okay.
28
29 TC: Did you hear anything else as you were responding
30 related to shots fired?
31
32 RV: I don't remember.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 RV: I remember at one hearing that there's someone
37 behind a fence or something like that.
38
39 TC: Uh-huh.
40
41 RV: And they were looking for bolt cutters.
42
43 TC: When you were enroute during this time, do you try
44 to make any radio transmissions?
45
46 RV: I do remember keying up and asking which school or
47 where it was, uh, when it first when the deputy
48 first came over the radio.
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2 MP: Did they respond to you and tell you which school?
3
4 RV: They did.
5
6 MP: Okay.
7
8 RV: Dispatch
9
10 MP: Okay.
11
12 TC: Okay.
13
14 RV: -- responded to me.
15
16 MP: Okay.
17
18 TC: Perfect. Um, when you -- when you're coming down
19 Pine Island and you take the left onto Holmberg, do
20 you see any .other law enforcement vehicles?
21
22 RV: Um, I arrived there at the same time with my
23 partner, um
24
25 TC: What's --
26
27 RV: -- Detective Johnson.
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 RV: And he parked either in front of me or behind me
32 somewhere there.
33
34 TC: Detective Johnson is Broward County Sheriff's
35 Office?
36
37 RV: Correct.
38
39 TC: Can you give a physical description for him? Uh --
40
41 RV: Black male, muscular. I could show you a photo if
42 you like.
43
44 TC: Okay. Um, he -- no. I -- I think we got it from --
45 it's just we've heard of -- in other interviews of a
46 unidentified black male --
47
48 MP: Male, BSO --
49
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1 report, we believe -- we --
2
3 MP: So we're pretty much -- we're -- we're thinking it's
4 the same guy.
5
6 TC: Now we've got the two people and stuff.
7
8 RV: Awesome.
9
10 TC: So we just wanted to verify on the record. Okay.
11 That is who you pulled up with. So you guys --
12
13 RV: Uh-huh.
14
15 TC: park, um, and you end up meeting up with him?
16
17 RV: We -- I remember grabbing the rifles from the trunk
18 and running straight to the building.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 MP: Were you two parked there together or were there
23 other people with you or --
24
25 RV: We -- from what I remember it was from that -- from
26 that, um, location, we were the only ones that
27 started running towards the building.
28
29 MP: Okay. Um --
30
31 TC: Did you see other people there that weren't running
32 towards the building?
33
34 MP: I don't recall.
35
36 TC: Okay. Um, can you draw the route you took to the
37 building?
38
39 MP: Pretty sure it was just straight to that first thing
40 and we went to the east door.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 MP: How did you know to go to that building?
45
46 RV: As we started running to the parking lot, I saw
47 deputies on this side running towards that
48 buildings, too.
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2 RV: So we figured there must be something going on in
3 that building.
4
5 MP: All right. And so you hadn't -- at this time you
6 hadn't heard anything over the radio --
7
8 RV: Not that I remember.
9
10 MP: -- at this point? Okay. Thank you.
11
12 TC: When you get on scene and get out of your car, at
13 any point, do you ever hear gunshots?
14
15 RV: No.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 RV: I believe I was there around, um, 2:36 according to
20 my body camera.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 RV: And from the other details that you learn after the
25 shooting, it was well over by then.
26
27 MP: Uh-huh.
28
29 TC: Okay.
30
31 MP: But you didn't know that at the time.
32
33 RV: I didn't know that at the time, correct.
34
35 MP: Okay.
36
37 RV: Sorry.
38
39 TC: When you were approaching the building, do you
40 notice anything odd about the building? Um, does
41 anything catch your attention as you approach?
42
43 RV: No. I mean, you start going into that tunnel vision
44 type of thing and --
45
46 MP: Uh-huh.
47
48 RV: -- things just started getting blocked out.
49
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2 what you see, who you observe?
3
4 RV: So --
5
6 MP: I'm sorry.
7
8 TC: I'm sorry.
9
10 MP: But you say you saw other officers going into the
11 building
12
13 RV: Correct.
14.
15 MP: -- what agency, uh, could you tell what agency they
16 were from?
17
18 RV: The --
19
20 MP: Were they from the Sheriff's Office or --
21
22 RV: -- the ones that were running in as I got there were
23 BSO. There were a couple of, like, blue uniform
24 guys which I later learned was Coral Springs.
25
26 MP: Okay.
27
28 RV: At the time, I just saw blue uniforms and then green
29 uniforms as well going inside.
30
31 MP: Okay. And so you guys, I guess, basically formed a
32 team with, um, BSO and the blue uniform?
33
34 RV: Correct.
35
36 MP: Okay. All right.
37
38 TC: And -- and, I guess while we're still on it, um, you
39 saw them responding, I guess, from the south to the
40 north headed towards the east door?
41
42 RV: Correct.
43
44 TC: And would that be -- were they -- were they around,
45 uh, I can't read the building from here, but --
46
47 RV: I wouldn't be -- this says building 8.
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49 TC: Yes.
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1 RV: I wouldn't be able to tell you --
2
3 TC: You don't know if --
4
5 RV: where they came from. I just --
6
7 TC: if they came from here or this side?
8
9 RV: I just know that -- I -- I wouldn't be able to
10 tell you.
11
12 TC: Got it. Okay.
13
14 MP: Did you see any other law enforcement personnel up
15 in that area?
16
17 RV: As we were running to the door, there was -- there
18 was another deputy by the door, holding the door
19 open. Um, in a BSO uniform.
20
21 MP: Did they go in with you guys?
22
23 RV: I don't remember.
24
25 MP: Okay.
26
27 TC: Um, all right. So when you're at the east door, if
28 -- we'll -- we'll let you walk us through it.
29
30 MP: Yeah. Go ahead.
31
32 RV: So when we got to the east door, I remember looking
33 inside and there was pretty much nowhere to, like,
34 take cover or conceal. It was full of officers and
35 deputies. Um, sq it -- it took me a little while to
36 actually find a spot to go in. After, uh, going in,
37 I went up to the right stairwell, um, where there
38 was a couple of officers and deputies covering the
39 stairwell. And Coral Springs and other deputies
40 were, like, halfway through the hallway already.
41
42 MP: Okay. Um, can you describe what the hallway looked
43 like? Uh --
44
45 RV: I can't describe it.
46
47 MP: Just --
48
49 RV: I just remember smelling gunpowder.
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2
3 RV: Um, I actually did not remember seeing blood. I
4 know from people saying, Oh, there was blood. I
5 don't remember. Oh, I remember seeing balloons and
6 -- which made it creepy as hell, you know. 'Cause
7 you --
8
9 TC: Right.
10
11 RV: -- have balloons and stuff.
12
13 MP: Yeah. Yeah.
14
15 RV: So that was weird.
16
17 TC: Yeah.
18
19 MP: Okay.
20
21 TC: So you end up into the stairwell. Did you see
22 where, uh -- uh, Deputy Johnson I'm sorry. Is it
23 Deputy or Detective Johnson?
24
25 RV: Uh, Detective.
26
27 TC: Okay. Did you see where -- happen to know where he
28 ended up?
29
30 RV: No.
31
32 TC: Okay. Did he go into the stairwell with you? Did
33 he go
34
35 RV: Don't remember.
36
37 TC: Okay. So you don't recall seeing him, then.
38
39 RV: Correct.
40
41 TC: Just he ran with you.
42
43 RV: Correct.
44
45 TC: Perfect. Okay.
46
47 MP: Okay. So once you're in the stairwell, what happens
48 next?
49
50 RV: At one point, um, I remember going outside and they

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1 started extracting victims. So I started providing
2 coverage to the second and third floor, uh, the
3 windows. 'Cause there were, like, windows that you
4 could see straight through. So we didn't know if he
5 was still up there. We didn't wanna get shot at
6 from --
7
8 MP: Okay.
9
10 RV: -- from the building. So I remember the first
11 couple of bodies that we extracted, they were
12 lifeless. They were probably dead already. Um,
13 remember deputies coming from the west side of
14 building 12 or somewhere in that area with a golf
15 cart and we started loading the, uh -- they started
16 loading the bodies into a golf cart as me and
17 another couple of deputies provided cover up the
18 windows.
19
20 TC: So you're outside the building looking up at the --
21 the different windows
22
23 RV: Correct.
24
25 TC: -- that -- okay.
26
27 RV: Correct.
28
29 MP: From your standpoint, could you see any bullet holes
30 in the windows?
31
32 RV: Not that I remember.
33
34 MP: Okay. All right.
35
36 TC: And what side -- okay. So if we've got -- we know
37 that this is the north side and you -- uh, I'm
38 sorry. You came out over here. Where were you
39 standing when the -- when you --
40
41 MP: Uh -- uh, the
42
43 TC: were providing cover?
44
45 MP: were you on this side of the building or this
46 side?
47
48 TC: I was probably -- do you want me to do an X or
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2
3 TC: Yes, please.
4
5 MP: Yeah.
6
7 RV: I was probably right here.
8
9 MP: Okay.
10
11 TC: Okay. So you were on the northeast --
12
13 RV: Like, north -- yeah, northeast corner of the
14 building.
15
16 TC: Gotcha.
17
18 MP: Okay.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 MP: Okay. All right. And from there.
23
24 RV: Um, from there, I remember we started going back
25 towards the building and as we were going into the
26 building or attempting to go in the building, there
27 are students coming out. Uh, someone points out or
28 says -- I can't remember the exact wording but
29 something in the matter of fact of, Is that him?
30 And they were pointing to someone in a ROTC uniform
31 so I started grabbing the kids with ROTC uniform,
32 patting them down for weapons and separating them to
33 the side.
34
35 MP: Okay. And do -- you didn't know why you were
36 pulling kids out of --
37
38 RV: I do remember -- I don't remember if I heard it over
39 a radio transmission or from someone, but that
40 something in the matter of fact that the shooter was
41 wearing some ROTC related clothing or uniform.
42
43 MP: Okay. And which actually go -- leads to my
44 question. At this time, once you were -- once you
45 made entrance into the building and you came back
46 out, were you getting any communication over your
47 radio during this time?
48
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2
3 RV: Uh, it was mostly noise and also the tunnel vision,
4 you start, you know --
5
6 MP: Uh-huh.
7
8 RV: -- I mean it could have been. Uh, I do remember
9 once I started separating the kids, I'd try to key
10 up to try to get information out. Hey, I have this.
11 What do you guys want me to do? Where do you want
12 me to take them? I couldn't key up. It was just
13 noise.
14
15 TC: Okay. At that moment it was -- you are outside the
16 building trying to key up 'cause you're -- you're
17 separating --
18
19 RV: With multiple people.
20
21 TC: -- people and you -- you're not able to reach it.
22
23 RV: No.
24
25 TC: Okay.
26
27 MP: Was it the traffic on the radio or was it a
28 technical problem or do you not know what was
29 causing you not being able to key up.
30
31 RV: We always have the same issues with the radios. Uh,
32 it's been ongoing since I've been here.
33
34 MP: Which is, um, I guess --
35
36 RV: Whenever you have a lot of people patched in into
37 the scene -- into the scene -- I don't know,
38 channel, per se.
39
40 MP: Uh-huh.
41
42 RV: It's -- uh, it just stops working.
43
44 TC: Uh, let me ask you this. If you -- since you've had
45 experience that it's been ongoing and you work --
46 you -- your district is North Lauderdale. Before
47 you were with your, um -- the position you have now,
48 um, I assume you -- were you on road patrol?
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2 TC: Uh, it -- were these type of issues also were in,
3 like, North Lauderdale, Tamarac?
4
5 RV: If we had a big --
6
7 TC: Uh, were you serving those areas? I guess, let me
8 preface that.
9
10 RV: Yes.
11
12 TC: Okay. Did you have the same type of radio issues in
13 those jurisdictions that you did in Parkland that
14 day?
15
16 RV: Yeah. Uh, if we had a big event, where you have to
17 patch multiple different channels into the same
18 channels, it would just stop working. The same
19 thing when I went to, uh, to the airport shooting.
20 It was just chaotic. You couldn't even key up.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 MP: Okay. All right. So from there, um, you went back
25 in the building after?
26
27 RV: No. While I was there with those -- with those kids
28
29
30 MP: Uh-huh.
31
32 RV: -- um, I overheard someone asking for a tourniquet.
33 And as I look, I think it was to my left, I see a
34 girl pretty much with, like, her left thigh just
35 gone. It -- it looked like a shark bite. She was
36 just bleeding --
37
38 MP: Wow.
39
40 RV: -- profusely, meat everywhere. So I said I had one.
41 I let those -- I don't know who took over those
42 kids, but I just left them and we started loading
43 her into the golf cart. As we were doing that, I
44 put my rifle down, I took my tourniquet and started
45 applying it as we drove to -- someone was driving
46 the golf cart --
47
48 MP: Uh-huh.
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2
3 Um, we got to Fire/Rescue. The first kid that --
4 that I remember that they took out was laying there
5 on the ground. I guess Fire/Rescue determined he
6 was dead. There was nothing they could do for him
7 so he was just there. Um, and then Fire/Rescue took
8 over the girl. They loaded into the truck. I don't
9 know what happened from that point.
10
11 MP: Okay. So did you continue to provide medical
12 assistance from that point on or did you go back
13
14 RV: From that point on, I went by that time, I
15 remember seeing SWAT going on scene and they said
16 something -- someone said something about stay away
17 from the building or I don't know, some nonsense
18 where SWAT was going inside the building already so
19 they didn't want additional people to go back into
20 the building.
21
22 MP: Okay.
23
24 RV: Um --
25
26 TC: Did you hear that over the radio or was that
27 communicated a different way?
28
29 RV: I do think it was over the radio.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 MP: Okay.
34
35 TC: So there was kind of an order given out, SWAT's got
36 the building, everybody stay out --
37
38 RV: Correct.
39
40 TC: at that point. The --
41
42 RV: Or not necessarily those words, but something in the
43 in that matter.
44
45 TC: The information you received, you interpret it as no
46 -- no one else except BSO SWAT is to respond to
47 building 12.
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49 RV: Correct.
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2 your mouth. But would that
3
4 RV: Somewhat, yeah.
5
6 TC: -- that's what you took it to mean?
7
8 RV: From what I remember, correct.
9
10 MP: And you said --
11
12 TC: Gotcha.
13
14 MP: -- you saw the SWAT teams going
15
16 RV: Yes. And SWAT
17
18 MP: Did you see --
19
20 RV: -- was readying. I saw several SWAT trucks 'cause I
21 actually -- when I was going to meet -- from the
22 ambulance, I went over to -- to a Coral Springs guy.
23
24 MP: Uh-huh.
25
26 RV: I asked for, uh, hand sanitizer 'cause my -- my --
27 my hands were full of blood. And then, as I started
28 walking on Holmberg Road, I remember seeing my
29 sergeant by his truck so I went and met with him.
30 And when I was doing that, it was the SWAT guys,
31 and, like, Hey, provide cover down to the school
32 while he was gearing up. And there was multiple
33 other SWAT guys that started running towards the
34 school at that point.
35
36 MP: Okay. Okay. And could you tell from where you were
37 what entrance the guys were making -- SWAT members
38 were making it into that building, whether it was on
39 the east side or the west side?
40
41 RV: I think the -- the -- once I saw them running to or
42 going towards the west side of the building 12.
43
44 MP: Okay. All right. And again, this is just BSO SWAT
45 members? No other
46
47 RV: BSO SWAT.
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2
3 MP: Okay. And from where you were speaking with your
4 sergeant, did you see any other law enforcement
5 personnel out, entering --
6
7 RV: Yeah. There -- there was -- by the time, it was
8 probably 15, 20 minutes into the time that I -- I
9 got -- first got there. There were several agencies
10 there. It was probably people from all over.
11
12 MP: Okay. And what -- what -- what did you see them
13 doing?
14
15 RV: They were -- by that point, they were pretty much on
16 Holmberg Road providing perimeters and, uh, I don't
17 know what. But I do remember that over the radio
18 they had said that, um, the -- the kid, the suspect,
19 Nikolas Cruz, was probably seen going somewhere
20 towards a Walmart. That's what I remember. I don't
21 -- I don't remember which place he said he took, but
22 towards Walmart. So I tol:d my sergeant, Hey, let's
23 get in your truck and go towards Walmart to try to
24 see if we -- we make contact with him.
25
26 MP: Uh-huh.
27
28 RV: Um, I know a guy from Margate, which we work with
29 all the time, Brown, who got in the truck with us.
30
31 MP: Uh-huh.
32
33 RV: There was a guy -- a SWAT guy from -- from Miramar I
34 believe and a couple other deputies that got in the
35 truck with us and we started going towards the
36 Walmart.
37
38 MP: Okay. You have anything?
39
40 TC: Um, no. I got stuff towards the end.
41
42 MP: Okay. So you guys go and actively look for Nikolas
43 Cruz.
44
45 RV: Correct.
46
47 MP: Okay. And where -- where did you go?
48
49 RV: We went to the -- I would -- I believe it's the
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2 MP: Uh-huh.
3
4 RV: We got out the truck and immediately we saw somebody
5 -- by that time, I don't know from where. They said
6 that it was a burgundy shirt or khaki pants or
7 something like that, and as we get down from the
8 truck, we see a kid wearing burgundy and khaki. So
9 we run straight to him. I grab him, pat him down.
10 It's not him. I verify his ID or whatever and then
11 we go inside the -- the Walmart and start checking
12 bathrooms.
13
14 While we were doing that, um, I started asking kids,
15 Hey, does anyone here know Nikolas Cruz? And some
16 kid is like, Yeah, I know him. Uh, I'm like, Can
17 you give me a description of him, a photo, show his
18 Instagram account, something like that. So they
19 started looking for him. Another girl joins in.
20 She's like, Oh, I know him. He's about 5, 8. He
21 has freckles, red hair. He's like, white looking,
22 but Hispanic at the same time.
23
24 I'm like, Well, that's weird. You know? So -- so I
25 started getting all this information and I tried to
26 relay that information over to Dispatch. It was a
27 mission and a half. I just couldn't key up. It
28 probably took me a good five minutes to actually get
29 on the radio and say, Hey, this is the -- the -- the
30 best description of this kid that we have. We were
31 trying to work on the photo and whatnot.
32
33 So after I was able to get that information out, I
34 believe it was the girl that gave me, um -- she
35 called somebody who had the number for James who was
36 the person that Nikolas Cruz was staying with, like
37 the --
38
39 TC: Uh-huh. Caretaker or --
40
41 MP: Uh-huh.
42
43 RV: -- the caretaker or whatever. And I call him up and
44 I asked him where -- what -- um, I told him this is
45 so-and-so from BSO. We're trying to see where
46 Nikolas Cruz is. Where is he? He's like, Is
47 everything okay? I'm like, we'll tell you later,
48 blah, blah, blah.
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2 RV: And then, uh, he said last time I spoke with him, he
3 was by the McDonald's. It took me another five
4 minutes to get on the radio and get that information
5 on. Uh, I tried keying up and it just -- nothing.
6
7 MP: Uh-huh.
8
9 RV: Um, so while we're trying to get the information
10 out, we get into Detective French's truck and
11 started driving towards the, um -- the McDonald's.
12 We get to McDonald's. There was kids there. We
13 checked them. They're not Nikolas Cruz. Go inside
14 the McDonald's. Cleared bathrooms or whatever.
15 Nothing. Um, while we were out in the parking lot
16 trying to figure out what to do next, the -- James
17 called me back and he said something about that he
18 has safes in the house with -- with firearms and
19 that his wife, um, is not answering the phone.
20
21 Another five minutes we try to get on the radio and
22 get the information, Hey, this guy's concerned about
23 his wife's safety. Send units there. Eventually,
24 they -- I was able to key up. They started sending
25 units or or they had already started sending
26 units to -- to the -- to the address --
27
28 MP : Uh - huh.
29
30 RV: -- or whatnot. Um, after that, I think probably,
31 like, five minutes after, the guy from Coconut Creek
32 says that he's possibly, um, sees him or in contact
33 with him.
34
35 MP: And you heard that over the radio?
36
37 RV: No. I did not hear that over the radio. It was
38 actually Margate PD, that Brown that was in the
39 truck with us. He's like, Hey, Coral Springs is
40 saying that Coconut Creek is possibly in contact
41 with this guy. We had no idea of any of this stuff
42 going on. Uh, I don't know why. So I tell people
43 on scene, I tell my sergeant, and then, um, they
44 said, like, a road. So we jump into a marked unit
45 from -- I can't remember what agency, but he knew
46 the area, so we started going code 3 there.
47
48 Uh, by the time we got there, the kid was already in
49 cuffs or they were putting him in cuffs as -- as we
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2 MP: Okay. So to make sure -- to recap, to make sure we
3 have this right. From the time you left the school
4 in search for Nikolas Cruz, you tried to key up
5 three times?
6
7 RV: Three, four or five times probably.
8
9 MP: Unsuccessfully until after at least five minutes or
10 so.
11
12 RV: Uh-huh.
13
14 MP: And then you were --
15
16 RV: And -- and I would give information out and it would
17 appear as if no one received it. I would have to
18 come back and verify, Hey, did you get the phone
19 number, the address? 'Cause I gave the phone
20 number, Nikolas Cruz' address over the phone and it
21 -- it just appeared that I -- I had to go back on
22 the radio and verify, Hey, do you guys have the
23 information I just gave you? Because it looked like
24 it was just going nowhere.
25
26 MP: And was that ever confirmed that, yes, we got the
27 information?
28
29 RV: Yes. At some point, it was like, this is the
30 address. This is the phone number. We're sending
31 units there or -- or we're not.
32
33 MP: Okay. You have anything else?
34
35 TC: Um, it -- let's touch on the training
36
37 MP: Okay.
38
39 TC: -- portion.
40
41 MP: Okay.
42
43 TC: And then I wanna circle back around a few things.
44
45 MP: Okay.
46
47 TC: Um, just to cover it. Uh, to the best of your
48 knowledge, does your agency have an active shooter
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1 RV: They do.
2
3 TC: Okay. And -- and the best that you recall for it,
4 um, would -- would you recall what the policy states
5 or implies to you? What does it mean to you?
6
7 RV: In regards to active shooters?
8
9 TC: Right.
10
11 RV: I believe it says something about you may enter a
12 building by yourself without supervisor approval or
13 something like that.
14
15 TC: Okay. And, um, have you received training related
16 to active shooter incidents?
17
18 RV: I think back in maybe early 2016 or 2015.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 RV: We had
23
24 TC: Do you recall what was --
25
26 RV: I don't know --
27
28 TC: what it entailed?
29
30 RV: if it was a mandatory training or if it was just
31 one of those trainings that you signed up for.
32
33 MP: Hmm.
34
35 RV: Um, I don't even think we've ever had training in
36 in clearing buildings with rifles.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 RV: Um, so, no. I mean, I think I took class is 20 --
41 2015, 2016 related to active shooter but I can't
42 tell you for a fact.
43
44 MP: Well, during the training, um, whether it was a
45 hostage situation or, uh, an active shooter, how
46 were you trained to deal with those type of
47 situations during the training?
48
49 RV: I think if you hear shots, you just go towards the
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2 figure out what you got.
3
4 TC: And, um, I think that covers the training part. And
5 so I wanted to circle back around to when you're
6 outside the east door. When you're doing your
7 activities here --
8
9 RV: Uh-huh.
10
11 TC: -- do you -- do you have any conversations -- do you
12 overhear anything regarding what may have happened
13 in the building from any of the officers?
14
15 RV: No.
16
17 TC: Okay. Um, and I know you're focused on -- on doing
18 your job and everything there. When you were
19 approaching or over at that side, did you, in
20 between the -- this is the 800 and this is the 7.
21 I'm sorry. This, uh -- this is the 7 building.
22 This is the 8 building in -- in this area. Did you
23 notice any law enforcement standing in this area,
24 specifically?
25
26 RV: No.
27
28 TC: Okay. And just because you were on this side and,
29 uh, I don't want to not cover it, uh, did you have
30 any interaction with Deputy Peterson?
31
32 RV: No. I don't even know --
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 RV: -- who the guy is.
37
38 TC: Okay. So you wouldn't be able to tell -- you -- uh,
39 there's nothing that you specifically recall --
40
41 RV: And I know now what he looks like, but that day, I
42 wouldn't be able to tell you if I saw him or not.
43
44 TC: Okay. And so even after the fact and knowing now
45 and all that, there's -- does anything come to mind
46 when you were standing -- when you were at the east
47 side that relates to --
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2
3 MP: Okay. In regards to this investigation, um, is
4 there anything that we have either failed to ask you
5 or that you would like to add or clarify in your
6 statement today?
7
8 RV: I don't think so.
9
10 MP: All right. Have you been promised anything in
11 exchange for your statement today?
12
13 RV: No, ma' am.
14
15 MP: Okay. Has the information you provided during this
16 interview been the truth to the best of your
17 knowledge and recollection?
18
19 RV : Yes , ma ' am.
20
21 MP: All right. This interview is concluded at 3:21 p.m.
22 on Wednesday, May 16th, 2018.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF RICH VAN DER EERNS, EI-26-0079, 05/16/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 RB INSPECTOR RANDY BROWN
7 LN SPECIAL AGENT SUPERVISOR LUIS NEGRETE
8 RE DEPUTY RICH VAN DER EERNS
9
10 RB: The date is May 16th, 2018. The time is
11 approximately 3:18 p.m. I'm Inspector Randy Brown
12 with the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
13 present at this time is SAS Luis Negrete. The
14 location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge Road,
15 Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning
16 Deputy Rich Van Der Eerns, as a witness in an
17 official FDLE investigation, case number EI26-0079.
18 Inspector Keith Riddick is the Inspector in charge
19 of this investigation.
20
21 On February 25th, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered
22 FDLE to investigate the law enforcement response to
23 the shooting in Parkland. For the record, I would
24 like to clarify that this is a witness statement
25 being given by you as a part of the investigation
26 into the law enforcement response to the Marjory
27 Stoneman Douglas School shooting that occurred on
28 February 14th, 2018. You have been subpoenaed to
29 appear today and you are being compelled to provide
30 this statement. Do you understand?
31
32 RE: Yes.
33
34 RB: Prior to beginning this interview, you should be
35 aware of the following. This interview is being
36 recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer, I'm
37 empowered to administer oaths and take statements.
38 In a moment, I will be taking a sworn statement from
39 you. You will be under oath and if you knowingly
40 provide false statements, you can be criminally
41 charged with perjury. Do you understand each of the
42 items I've just informed you of?
43
44 RE: Yes.
45
46 RB: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear
47 or affirm the information you're about to give today
48 is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
49 truth, so help you God?
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1 RE: I do.
2
3 RB: Thank you. Please state your full name and current
4 place of employment.
5
6 RE: Richard Van Der Eerns, Broward County Sheriff's
7 Department, District 10, Deerfield.
8
9 RB: And how long have you been employed by BSO?
10
11 RE: Since, uh, 1999.
12
13 RB: And in what, uh, capacity do you currently serve?
14
15 RE: Deputy Sheriff.
16
17 RB: And how long have you been in law enforcement?
18
19 RE: Oh, geez, um, since 1994 give or take.
20
21 RB: Okay.
22
23 RE: City of Oakland Park and then BSO.
24
25 RB: Okay. Um, I wanna take you back to February 14th of
26 this year. Um, how did you initially become aware
27 of the -- the shooting at, uh, Douglas?
28
29 RE: There was a Dispatcher came over District 10's
30 channel and said that there was a possible shooting
31 going on at Stoneman Douglas.
32
33 RB: Do you recall where you were when you received this
34 information?
35
36 RE: Yes. Power Line and, um -- Power Line and between
37 Hillsborough and 10th Street.
38
39 RB: Okay. Um, once you received this information what
40 did you do?
41
42 RE: I started to head toward the school. I went South
43 on Power Line and I jumped on to Sawgrass and
44 started heading westbound towards the school.
45
46 RB: Okay. Approximately how long did it take you to
47 arrive on scene once you, um, received the
48 information?
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2 3 --
3
4 RB: Okay.
5
6 RE: -- uh, towards the school.
7
8 RB: Okay. Um, do you recall once you arrived on scene -
9 - well, I need to go back one. Um, did you receive
10 any additional information while you were in route?
11
12 RE: Um, when the Dispatcher came across with there was a
13 possible shooting at the school grounds, I pulled up
14 Parkland's call and I read in it that there was, um,
15 um, it was at Building 12 and there was a student
16 down, and that's when I -- or that's went lights and
17 sirens and then I went West on Sawgrass. Um, so, I
18 knew it was Building 12. I knew there was a
19 confirmed person down. So, that's why I --
20
21 RB: Okay.
22
23 RE : - - I took off .
24
25 RB: Okay. When you arrived on scene do you recall where
26 you parked?
27
28 RE: Yeah, I can tell you exactly where um, I went
29
30 RB: You can use this map for reference if you
31
32 RE: I went westbound on to Sawgrass. I got off at Coral
33 Ridge Drive. I came in through the back way, um,
34 here. Wow, my eyes are bad. Okay. Come out here
35 and then I got off Coral Ridge Drive, I came this
36 way and I had to go in the opposite direction on
37 this road, on
38
39 RB: On Holmberg?
40
41 RE: Holmberg
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 RE: -- 'cause this was blocked. Um, I drove down here
46 and I pulled up on the curb so other vehicles could
47 get by me.
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49 RB: Okay.
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1 RE: Um, I was about -- let's see, if this is Building 12
2 no this is Building 12 --
3
4 RB: Uh
5
6 RE: um, I parked like right -- one of these two gates
7 were open.
8
9 RB: Okay.
10
11 RE: I can't remember which one it was, but I parked on
12 this side of the road and I ran through the open
13 gate. Um, and I think this was the one that was
14 open. So, I parked -- parked -- I probably parked
15 over here somewhere like right on the --
16
17 RB: Okay.
18
19 RE: -- curb.
20
21 RB : Uh - huh .
22
23 RE: And I ran in this way through here and then up here.
24
25 RB: To the east side of building --
26
27 RE: Yeah. 'Cause when I ran up there was, um -- there
28 was a Coral Springs guy with a rifle in this corner
29 of the building
30
31 RB : Uh - huh .
32
33 RE: -- pointing at this building and I could see the big
34 12 on the top. So, I ran up to this side and that's
35 where I met up with, um, couple of Coral Springs'
36 guy and one BSO Deputy was standing outside of the
37 door.
38
39 RB: Okay. Um, once you arrived on scene, did you hear
40 any gunshots?
41
42 RE: No.
43
44 RB: Um, did you experience any difficulties with your
45 radio whether it be receiving or transmitting?
46
47 RE: Um, yeah, the radio was just not working. I -- I
48 don't even think I even got on the radio because of
49 the traffic that was going on. I think I may have
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2
3 RB: Okay. Um, once you arrived here, um, and you joined
4 up with the -- the other deputy and the Coral
5 Springs officers, um, what -- what did you guys do?
6
7 RE: As soon as I came up, I looked at the BOS Deputy
8 that was standing there. I -- I can't tell you who
9 -- the older guy, um, and the Springs guy and they
10 were standing out of the door. So, I looked in the
11 door and I could see the smoke and I could see a
12 victim on the ground and I'm like, "Let's go in."
13 And then we immediately went in.
14
15 RB: Were -- were there other law enforcement personnel
16 inside the building, um, when you arrived and you
17 looked in?
18
19 RE: I didn't see any on the first floor.
20
21 RB: Okay.
22
23 RE: I found out later they were on the second, but as
24 far as I thought there was nobody in the building
25
26 RB: Okay.
27
28 RE: -- from what I seen.
29
30 RB: Okay. And so -- once you entered the building what
31 did you hear?
32
33 RE: I went in -- we went in the building and the first
34 thing as we came in, we opened the door, um, there
35 was, um, a victim on the left-hand side. Um, and I
36 checked on him to see if he was, um, deceased or
37 not, um, as the other units moved -- started
38 checking the room. So, I -- I checked on him and
39 then, um, after I checked on him, I joined back up
40 with the other guys and then I started -- I went up
41 to the next room. I went into a room on the left,
42 um, as they covered the door.
43
44 Um, we got in that door, I think they actually
45 opened the door for us and there was one injured
46 uh, there was injured in there and the kids -- um,
47 the other BSO Deputy, I believe helped that girl
48 out. Um, and then I came out of that room and the
49 guys were standing there. And, at which point in
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1 them with the Coral Springs guy and then from that
2 point on, we basically took point. Um, we -- we
3 moved forward. We checked the rooms as we went and
4 then we stood in the middle of the hallway so that
5 people behind us could pull the victims out and so
6 forth
7
8 RB : 0 ka y . So
9
10 RE: and and we covered them.
11
12 RB: during that time you were still under the belief
13 that the shooter was inside the building?
14
15 RE: Yeah, as far as I knew he was in the building.
16
17 RB: Okay.
18
19 RE: And it sounded like he was on the third, he was on
20 the second -- he was back on the second, he was back
21 on the third 'cause of the stuff that was coming
22 over the air.
23
24 RB: Okay.
25
26 RE: So, um
27
28 LN: Wete you getting that on your radio or were you
29 hearing it through
30
31 RE: On my radio.
32
33 LN: Okay.
34
35 RE: Yes, my radio.
36
37 RB: Okay.
38
39 LN: Okay.
40
41 RE: That -- that the guy was still in the building.
42
43 RB: Okay.
44
45 LN: Um, you guys -- you maintained point as -- as you
46 systematically pushed down the hall clearing the --
47 the building?
48
49 RE: Yeah. We pushed down -- what we were trying to do
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2 the kids were shot and they needed medical
3 attention.
4
5 LN: Uh-huh.
6
7 RE: So, um, what we were doing, we were pushing forward.
8 We were -- we were trying to find the guy and we
9 were also trying to pull people out at the same
10 time. So, um -- I mean, the part that I seen at
11 first -- you know, we checked the first room, the
12 guy grabbed the victim and ran out with her and then
13 we went to the next room and basically as the victim
14 -- we were coming up on the victims, they were
15 pulling them out and getting them out of there. Um,
16 and then we pushed forward trying to, you know get
17 to wherever he may have been hiding out or whatever
18 and try to get to the victims to get them out of
19 there as fast as we could.
20
21 RB: Okay.
22
23 LN: Okay. Um, did you have any interaction with Deputy
24 Peterson?
25
26 RE: No.
27
28 LN: No? Okay. Did you see him while you -- when you
29 first arrived on the site?
30
31 RE: No. There was -- there was an older guy there, um,
32 I -- I don't know who he is.
33
34 LN: Okay.
35
36 RE: Um --
37
38 LN: But, not Peterson?
39
40 RE: But not -- not Petersen, no.
41
42 LN: Okay. And you didn't see him again? You didn't see
43 him anywhere in the area?
44
45 RE : I didn' t, no .
46
47 LN: Okay.
48
49 RE: I was focused too, so I mean --
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1 LN: Oh, definitely.
2
3 RB: Did you have any other responsibilities once you got
4 the -- the floor cleared?
5
6 RE: Um, when I got to the end, um, we got to the very
7 end at the staircase and I covered the staircase
8 'cause, um, I -- you gotta remember this whole time
9 I thought he was in the building.
10
11 RB: Uh-huh.
12
13 RE: So, when we got to the second, uh, the first floor,
14 I went -- this office was cleared, there's a little
15 office right here in this building.
16
17 RB : Uh - huh .
18
19 RE: Um --
20
21 RB: Which would be right in here?
22
23 RE: Yeah. Um, I got to this, I was covering this
24 hallway. I say we were clearing this, um, office
25 and then I went up to the second floor and there was
26 a Coral Springs guy there and he said that, um, they
27 were already checking that one. And then I went to
28 the third floor and it was, um, me and two Coral
29 Springs' guys on the third and, uh, I looked down
30 and we seen the victims and then we seen the one kid
31 on the very far end was trying to raise his arm up.
32 And, about that time, um, two SWAT officers showed
33 up at the exact time --
34
35 RB: Uh-huh.
36
37 RE: -- as we got up and we were like let's go grab him.
38 Um, and you gotta remember we still thought the --
39
40 RB: Still think he's in the building?
41
42 RE: -- we thought he was here somewhere. So, um, I
43 think it was me, two SWAT guys and two Springs guys.
44 We, um, went all the way down to the other hallway
45 or all the way to the end. Um, we grab the -- the
46 kid that was, um, shot-up, he survived. Um, we
47 dragged him all the way back and, um, as they got
48 him to the stairwell two, um, BSO paramedics showed
49 up and they started plugging 'em and working on him.
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1 search of the top floor from the one end all the way
2 to the other end.
3
4 RB: Uh, do you recall at what point -- um, because it's
5 been relayed through us that there was a -- a, uh,
6 discrepancy in the time of the -- of the video and
7 you -- you spoke about, you know it was believed he
8 was on this floor -- this floor? Um, did you ever
9 receive any transmissions saying that the video --
10 had been reviewed or, you know, whatever when they
11 were watching him -- um, had a SKU --
12
13 RE: Uh-huh.
14
15 RB: -- in the timestamp or anything like that.
16
17 RE: I didn't -- I didn't even --
18
19 LN: What -- what point did you guys -- did you figure
20 out that he wasn't -- the shooter wasn't inside the
21 building?
22
23 RE: Um, I think we were -- I think we were clearing the
24 top floor and I think maybe at the end of it or
25 towards the very end it came across. Um, but when -
26 - when I got to the top we got the kid out and then
27 we started doing the hallway as we were starting to
28 work our way down. I mean, he obviously wasn't in
29 the hallway, so they were checking the rooms and
30 then SWAT was coming up at this time. So, they were
31 -- they were checking and then I think, um -- I
32 think midway through this -- the top floor, I think
33 it came across that it was delayed or that he was
34 possibly seen leaving the building or something like
35 that.
36
37 LN: Okay. But, you were already on the third floor?
38
39 RE: Yeah, we were already on the third checking for --
40
41 LN: How many was your group again?
42
43 RE: Um, on the bottom floor? Or --
44
45 LN: Yeah.
46
47 RE: Um, on -- uh, I know it was me. It was the one
48 deputy who left with the girl and then there was, um
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1 LN: And once you got to the third floor?
2
3 RE: Third floor, it was -- it was me -- when I got to
4 the third floor it was me, um, two Coral Springs
5 guys who went up with me and truthfully, I don't
6 remember if it was the Coral Springs guy that was
7 already up there already or it was just the two
8 Coral Springs guys that were with me on the first
9 floor
10
11 LN: Okay.
12
13 RE: -- that were up there. And then, um --
14
15 LN: Uh-huh.
16
17 RE: -- like I said when we looked down the hallway the -
18 - the kid was trying to ·raise his arm up --
19
20 LN: Uh -
21
22 RE: so it was -- it was me, the two Coral Springs
23 guys and then, uh, two SWAT guys who just showed up.
24
25 LN: Okay.
26
27 RB: And there was nobody else as far as law enforcement
28 goes on that hallway when you arrived?
29
30 RE: No, no one was on the hallway yet. There was --
31
32 RB: Okay.
33
34 RE: -- no one had started to search the hallway.
35
36 RB: So, your group was the -- at -- at least to your
37 knowledge was the first one -- and -- and made an
38 entry into the third floor?
39
40 RE: Yes.
41
42 RB: Okay. Um, does your agency have an Active Shooter
43 policy?
44
45 RE: Yes.
46
47 RB: Does your agency train in Active Shooter response?
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49 RE: Yes.
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1 RB: How often?
2
3 RE: I'm not sure, but I've gone to, um -- they offer a,
4 um, Active School Shooting, um, that you can put in
5 for separate from the Active Shooting --
6
7 RB: Okay.
8
9 RE: -- and I've gone to that.
10
11 RB: So, it's a secondary like optional?
12
13 RE: Yeah, yeah, yes.
14
15 RB: Okay. Um, when did -- when did you attend that?
16
17 RE: I -- I don't remember exactly. I -- I attend all
18 the schools. I -- I've done the Active Shooter,
19 Stress Shooting, um, Advanced Handgun -- Immediate
20 Handgun -- Intermediate Handgun, um, Rifle --
21
22 RB: Okay.
23
24 RE: so they offer a bunch of courses that we can take
25 on our own or on duty.
26
27 RB: Uh-huh.
28
29 RE: And I normally take 'em and Active Shooter was one
30 of 'em.
31
32 RB: Do you recall if -- uh, and I know you said you
33 didn't remember exactly. But, would you say it
34 would be in the last one year, two year, three
35 years, five years?
36
37 RE: Um, that particular course may have been two years
38 ago. But, we've all -- we've just recently had the,
39 um -- I think it was last year, we had the Active
40 Shooter and then we had, um, the Active Shooter with
41 Rescue where Rescue came with us and they were
42 showing us how to, um, tend to people and everything
43 else like that. So, they were with us during the
44 Active Shooter 'cause we did that in a class in, um
45 -- in like in a, uh, City Hall down in Dania or
46 something like that.
47
48 RB: Okay.
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2 RB: Was that part of your in-service training --
3
4 RE: That was part
5
6 RB: or something?
7
8 RE: of the in-service.
9
10 RB: Okay.
11
12 RE: It was like Rescue, Active Shooter and then the
13 regular Active Shooter, yeah.
14
15 RB: Okay. Um, uh, throughout these, um, Active Shooter
16 trainings that you've attended, um, what do they
17 instruct you to do when you arrive on scene in an
18 Active Shooter incident?
19
20 RE: You go in --
21
22 RB: Um --
23
24 RE: You stop the -- you go in to stop the threat. You
25 either -- you -- you go in stop the threat or
26 eliminate the threat. You get 'em to basically
27 barricade himself in, you -- you do whatever it
28 takes to get him to, you know, stop his actions.
29
30 RB: Does that, um -- is that dictated by the number of
31 people you have? And by that, I mean if you arrive
32 at a scene and you're by yourself or is this you
33 arrive you on the scene and there's two, three, four
34 guys?
35
36 RE: No.
37
38 RB: Um, so it doesn't diversify? If you're by yourself,
39 you go in?
40
41 RE: Right. It's -- now that -- that -- that has
42 changed. Like when I first started it was always,
43 you know you wait for a group of people and then you
44 go in together. But, then at one point in time, the
45 -- the policy and, um, um, I think since Columbine
46 when the Active Shooter started they changed it
47 from, well, you don't wait to go in, you just go in
48 yourself.
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2 LN: Yeah, I see a body cam. Did you -- was that on --
3 on --
4
5 RE: Yes.
6
7 LN: -- it was rolling during the whole incident?
8
9 RE: No, not the whole because, um -- my, um -- my, um,
10 AR-15 strap
11
12 LN: Uh-huh.
13
14 RE: -- comes across it, so when I originally got out of
15 the car, um, and got my stuff together to run up, I
16 hit it and then --
17
18 LN: Okay.
19
20 RE: -- I thought I pushed the button and then, um, when
21 I got in the building the, um I noticed it was
22 off, so then I turned it back on -- or I turned it
23 on.
24
25 LN: Uh-huh.
26
27 RE: And then I think when I got to the staircase to go
28 upstairs, um, you hear me on the body cam going, I'm
29 going up or let's go up. And then it turned off
30 again.
31
32 LN: Oh, great.
33
34 RE: 'Cause see the -- the button on the top?
35
36 RB: Yeah.
37
38 RE: Well, when it's like that, you have your strap
39 coming across so it hits.
40
41 RB: Oh, it just pushed it?
42
43 RE: It pushes it down
44
45 RB: Not cover it
46
47 LN: Okay.
48
49 RE: And then, um, I noticed it, I think after we drug
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2
3 RB: Well
4
5 RE: And then, um -- then I left it on.
6
7 RB: Okay.
8
9 RE: And then I kept trying to keep my strap away from
10 it.
11
12 RB: All right. That's it. In regards to this
13 investigation is there anything that I either failed
14 to ask or anything that you would like to add or
15 clarify in your statement today?
16
17 RE: Um, no, not that I can think of.
18
19 RB: Have you been promised anything in exchange for your
20 statement today?
21
22 RE: Oh, no.
23
24 RB: Has the information that you have provided during
25 this interview been the truth to the best of your
26 knowledge or recollection?
27
28 RE: Yes.
29
30 RB: Uh, this interview is concluded at 3:36 p.m.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SRO GENNARO VOLPE, #EI-26-0079, 6/25/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
7 BB BRANDY BURNS
8 GV SRO GENNARO VOLPE
9
10 KR: All right. Today's date is June the 25th, 2018. It
11 is approximately 2:58 p.m. I'm Inspector Keith
12 Riddick of the Office of Executive Investigations.
13 Also present is Brandy Burns with the Office of
14 Executive Investigations. Location of this
15 interview is the Broward Sheriff's Office
16 Headquarters in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I will be
17 questioning Deputy -- is it Gennaro?
18
19 GV: Gennaro.
20
21 KR: Gennaro Volpe
22
23 GV: Yes, sir.
24
25 KR: -- okay, as a witness in an official FDLE
26 investigation, case number EI-26-0079. I am the
27 Inspector in charge of this investigation. On
28 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
29 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
30 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like to
31 clarify that this is a witness statement being given
32 by you as part of the investigation into that law
33 enforcement response to the MSD school shooting that
34 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
35 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
36 to provide this statement. Do you understand?
37
38 GV : Yes , sir .
39
40 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
41 should be aware of the following: This interview is
42 being recorded. As a sworn law enforcement officer,
43 I am empowered to administer oaths and take
44 statements. In a moment I'll be taking a sworn
45 statement from you. You will be under oath, and if
46 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
47 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
48 each of these items I've just informed you of?
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50 GV: Yes, sir.

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1 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand. Let the
2 record reflect the deputy has raised his right hand.
3 Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the information
4 you're about to give today is the truth, the whole
5 truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
6
7 GV: I do.
8
9 KR: Thank you, sir. Um, please state your full name and
10 how long you've been employed here at BSO?
11
12 GV: My name is Gennaro, uh, J. Volpe. Uh, I've been
13 employed with the Broward Sheriff's Office, uh, from
14 April, 2004, to the present.
15
16 KR: All right. Do you have prior law enforcement
17 experience?
18
19 GV: Uh, yes. We were taken over by the City of
20 Parkland, so I started there in 1993.
21
22 KR: Okay.
23
24 GV: So this is my 25th year, just of last month.
25
26 KR: Oh, wow. Congratulations on your --
27
28 GV: Thank you, sir.
29
30 KR: -- anniversary. Yeah.
31
32 GV: Thank you.
33
34 KR: Uh, so like we talked before, this is about the --
35 the school shooting at Stoneman Douglas on -- on,
36 uh, February 14th, 2018. On that date what was your
37 assignment with the S.O.?
38
39 GV: I'm a school resource officer, and I was stationed
40 at my school, River Glades Elementary. It's at 7400
41 Parkside Drive in Parkland, Florida.
42
43 KR: Okay. How far from Stoneman Douglas is that?
44
45 GV: I would say just a guess, um, probably about 3 to 4
46 miles.
47
48 KR: Okay. All right. How did you first learn about the
49 shooting at Stoneman Douglas?
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1 GV: I was at my office. The school had adjourned for
2 the day, and I had heard, uh, Deputy Peterson
3 scream, "Shots fired." I wasn't really listening to
4 the radio prior to that, but I know Scot's voice.
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 GV: And I -- I knew the seriousness of his voice, so,
9 uh, I was pretty sure that it was a significant
10 event. Um, from there, I went to my patrol car and
11 drove to the school.
12
13 KR: Okay. Ran code 3 to the school?
14
15 GV : Yes , sir .
16
17 KR: All right. Um --
18
19 GV: Within policy and procedure.
20
21 KR: Of course.
22
23 GV: Okay.
24
25 KR: When you got, um -- when you got on scene, where did
26 you, uh, end up parking? And I'll -- I'll show you
27 a map.
28
29 GV: Yeah, that would help me --
30
31 KR: Yeah.
32
33 GV: -- to point it out --
34
35 KR: Yeah.
36
37 GV: -- to you.
38
39 KR: Let's see. All right. This is north. There's the
40 1200' 1300. There's Holmberg. And so
41
42 GV: Sure. I -- I'm just -- if you would show me, it's
43 the north lot here. This is the -- the
44
45 KR: That's right. This -- this is north.
46
47 GV: And there's two entrances. There's usually
48
49 KR: Right .
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1 GV: -- one that goes out. I parked in the median --
2
3 KR: Uh-huh.
4
5 GV: -- um, approximately at this entrance. So my car
6 was parked in the, uh, center median --
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 GV: -- um, that's -- allows to go -- uh, if you turn out
11 left --
12
13 KR: Okay.
14
15 GV: -- you turn west.
16
17 KR: All right. So I did not know that. So I take it
18 this is an entrance and that's an exit?
19
20 GV: Well, the north parking lot has two.
21
22 KR: Uh-huh.
23
24 GV: Um, generally, cars will come in here, and cars will
25 leave that way.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 GV: Uh, students can leave that way. So there's two --
30
31 KR: Two ways, okay.
32
33 GV: -- yeah.
34
35 KR: Um, when you got on scene, did you hear any
36 gunshots?
37
38 GV: No, sir.
39
40 KR: Okay. Before you got there, did you hear Deputy
41 Peterson say anything else on the air? Did you hear
42 -- hear any other communications?
43
44 GV: The only communication that I heard prior to just
45 arriving, I would say -- I was just east of, uh,
46 Pine Island and Holmberg -- is, to my recollection,
47 was -- is something about setting up, um, perimeter
48 units, or Dispatch asking, um, you know, We need
49 this, perimeter units here or there.
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1 KR: Okay. Um, and once you got to 97, what happened
2 then?
3
4 GV: At that point, I got out of my patrol unit. I went
5 to the back. Um, I carry my rifle, 'cause I'm an
6 SRO --
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 GV: -- we keep ours concealed 'cause we're not in the
11 vehicle, so --
12
13 KR: Right.
14
15 GV: -- I -- I took out my rifle. And there was a small
16 group of city officers, and I believe, uh, deputies
17 that were moving in --
18
19 KR: Uh-huh.
20
21 GV: -- at that entrance to the north lot. So I joined
22 up with them, and we when to, first, the 1300
23 Building.
24
25 KR: Okay.
26
27 GV: Uh, that was the closest building to us. And we
28 were making our way, um, to various locations, but
29 mine was heading towards the 1200 Building. So --
30
31 KR: Okay. Uh, was that gate already opened or did y'all
32
33
34 GV : Yes , sir .
35
36 KR: Okay. So, all right. If you would, again
37
38 GV: Uh-huh.
39
40 KR: -- this is a close closer version here.
41
42 GV: Oh, yeah. That's, uh, a little better.
43
44 KR: Here's yeah, this is better. This --
45
46 GV: May -- may I put on my glasses?
47
48 KR: If you -- yeah, of course you can.
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1 KR: I -- you see --
2
3 GV: Thank you, sir.
4
5 KR: -- I've got mine on.
6
7 GV: Okay.
8
9 KR: And I have contacts in. So, um, yeah, if you would,
10 go ahead and if you want to show it again, where you
11 were
12
13 GV: Show you where we parked?
14
15 KR: -- parked, and then the location or the route that
16 you -- y'all took. Yeah.
17
18 GV: Okay. Very good.
19
20 KR: Yeah.
21
22 GV: Here's where my patrol car was. I'm assuming this
23 is the gate
24
25 KR: Uh-huh.
26
27 GV: that was opened. Um, several officers, some city
28
29
30 KR: Right.
31
32 GV: -- some of ours made it to coming through here and
33 went to the 1300 Building --
34
35 KR: Uh-huh.
36
37 GV: -- where we kinda took a position of cover
38 initially. Um, some of them went in various
39 directions. I know this is the way I went, towards
40 the 1200 Building.
41
42 KR: Uh-huh.
43
44 GV: Um, there's some pillars here, and I just moved up
45 slowly, I -- I believe, until I was able to make it
46 to the door, which is approximately there, um, by
47 the -- the west door --
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49 KR: Okay.
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1 GV: -- of the 1200 Building.
2
3 KR: Okay. Why did you go to the 1200 Building? What
4 had -- what led you to that?
5
6 GV: I was just -- I
7
8 KR: Did you hear it on the radio or --
9
10 GV: No, I don't believe I heard it on the radio. I was
11 just following the group of people, and when I got
12 there, that's where my determination was. I didn't
13 hear it on the radio.
14
15 KR: Okay. Did you see the deceased victim outside --
16
17 GV: I --
18
19 KR: the door?
20
21 GV: As I got closer, yes.
22
23 KR: Yeah. Okay.
24
25 GV: And and he was personally known to me.
26
27 KR: Oh, I'm sorry.
28
29 GV: That's okay.
30
31 KR: Um, so once you got to that location, did you go on
32 in the 1200 Building?
33
34 GV: No, sir. Um, I knew the, uh, person was deceased by
35 checking on him.
36
37 KR: Uh-huh.
38
39 GV: And at that time, there were -- I believe it was
40 city officers that were extracting -- another person
41 I knew
42
43 KR: Hmm.
44
45 GV: -- unfortunately, was the athletic director, Chris
46 Hixson, was coming out that door at the same time
47 where another city officer -- I'm assuming they're
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2 GV: But I don't know for sure. Um, they just had blue
3 uniforms.
4
5 KR : Yes , sir .
6
7 GV: And at that time the city officer was pulling up in
8 a cart. I'm assuming it was Ahrens [phonetic] but -
9
10
11 KR: Uh-huh.
12
13 GV: -- I don't know that for sure. And, um, I assisted,
14 uh, Mr. Hixson with the other members to get him on
15 the back of the, uh, golf cart.
16
17 KR: Okay. All right. Did you go with Mr. Hixson or did
18 you stay there then?
19
20 GV: No, me and the city officer took -- do you want me
21 to --
22
23 KR: Yeah, yeah.
24
25 GV: We took Mr. Hixson out this way, and we took him to
26 it would be, uh
27
28 KR: Pine Island and
29
30 GV: Is it --
31
32 KR: and Holmberg, yeah.
33
34 GV: That's Pine -- okay. This is where Coral Springs
35 was already staging with their fire rescue.
36
37 KR: Okay. All right.
38
39 GV: And --
40
41 KR: So -- so you took -- this was, what later was known
42 as, the "triage area"?
43
44 GV: Yes, sir.
45
46 KR: Okay. So you took him. And they were already
47 there?
48
49 GV: Yes, sir.
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1 KR: All right. While -- let me jump
2
3 GV: Sure.
4
5 KR: -- and pay attention to this real quick, and it --
6 it -- you know, it's not really covered in anybody's
7 report. But --
8
9 GV: Uh-huh.
10
11 KR: -- when you got there, were any of those -- the
12 firefighters, paramedics, did they -- were they
13 treating? Were they trying to come in with you?
14 What were they doing?
15
16 GV: Well, it was a very quick handoff.
17
18 KR: Uh - huh . 0 ka y .
19
20 GV: And basically, the people that were there, um, were
21 just taking Mr. Hixson. So --
22
23 KR: Okay.
24
25 GV: -- there -- there was really no -- that my
26 recollection, no knowledge of, like, anybody wanting
27 to come in. We just turned around immediately and
28 headed back in, 'cause we were going to get more --
29
30 KR: Okay.
31
32 GV: -- people.
33
34 KR: Uh, so you delivered more --
35
36 GV: Uh
37
38 KR: to them?
39
40 GV: I didn't personally, because when we came back
41 around --
42
43 KR: Uh-huh.
44
45 GV: -- um, we got to this point, and we were gonna come
46 back to the west, and there was officers waving us
47 down over here. So we went to the east side of the
48 building this time.
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2
3 KR: Yeah, go ahead and show me that. You say "we." You
4 and the other, uh, Coral Springs
5
6 GV: Uh, the -- the unknown Coral Springs
7
8 KR: Okay.
9
10 GV: I -- I don't know him personally.
11
12 KR: Right. So y'all went on the golf cart.
13
14 GV: Right. We just returned to get more --
15
16 KR: Uh --
17
18 GV: -- more victims.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh .
21
22 GV: At this time, we still believed that was a hot zone.
23
24 KR: Uh-huh, right. Right.
25
26 GV: Um, that we -- we had no knowledge of where the
27 shooter was.
28
29 KR: But you still -- but there were no gunshots?
30
31 GV : No , sir .
32
33 KR: Okay.
34
35 GV: No, we
36
37 KR: But you just didn't know where the shoot
38
39 GV: -- we just didn't know the location.
40
41 KR: Right.
42
43 GV: So we made a -- we were initially going back to
44 here, and then we were told to go to this location
45 over here.
46
47 KR: Okay. And once you got there, what happened?
48
49 GV: Um, there were multiple -- I'd say, several city
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2
3 KR: Okay. That's actually the east door, just for the
4 record.
5
6 GV: Oh, I'm sorry. You --
7
8 KR: No, no, that's okay.
9
10 GV: No, I apologize.
11
12 KR: No.
13
14 GV: You're right. It's east.
15
16 KR: Yeah.
17
18 GV: And, um, I got off the golf cart and started to
19 assist them with the extraction. And, uh, at that
20 time Deputy Corey Cabocci [phonetic] -- uh, that's
21 really the only BSO deputy that I knew personally.
22
23 KR: Uh - huh .
24
25 GV: Um, he took my space on the golf cart.
26
27 KR: Okay. Okay. Um, what -- and what did you do once
28 you got off?
29
30 GV: Uh, at that point, I -- we were basically -- there
31 was very little radio communication --
32
33 KR: Uh-huh.
34
35 GV: 'cause we were on different radio frequencies, so
36 we were just talking officer to officer. And, um,
37 we were moving from the east side to the west of the
38 building with the officers, um, you know, checking
39 classrooms.
40
41 KR: Okay. You were inside, went --
42
43 GV : Yes , sir .
44
45 KR: -- inside?
46
47 GV: Yes, sir.
48
49 KR: Okay. All right. So you were clearing classrooms.
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1 GV: Right.
2
3 KR: Checking what's going on in there. Uh, when you say
4 there was very little communications, uh, you were
5 talk -- was that because you couldn't communicate or
6 because there wasn't anything going on?
7
8 GV: Well, I personally -- and I can only speak for
9 myself.
10
11 KR: Right.
12
13 GV: I didn't communicate when I initially got there
14 because I didn't know -- I knew there was people in
15 the hot zone.
16
17 KR: Right.
18
19 GV: And I had already told them I was en route. It
20 didn't make much sense to me, tactically, to get
21 over the radio and say, "I'm here."
22
23 KR: Right.
24
25 GV: Um, they knew I was coming.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 GV: Um, when we got there, um, there was really -- we
30 were communicating -- because we were really on two
31 separate frequencies. And there was communication -
32
33
34 KR: Right.
35
36 GV: -- probably on the radio. I had my radio turned
37 down because I personally thought that noise would -
38
39
40 KR: Right.
41
42 GV: You know. There -- I had no idea where this person
43 was, and many times I thought, you know, the person
44 could be just right around the corner. So, uh, you
45 know, that was my concern.
46
47 KR: You were trying to be stealthy.
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49 GV: I was.
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2
3 GV: I was.
4
5 KR: So -- and you say y'all were communicate -- you're
6 talking about you and the C.S., the Coral Springs
7 officers, right?
8
9 GV: Springs. And they were just basically talking
10 officer-officer.
11
12 KR: Right.
13
14 GV: And, you know, the officer, we were back and forth.
15 "We need to do this." So --
16
17 KR: Uh - huh .
18
19 GV: -- we would just -- and we were clearing.
20
21 KR: Just do it. Yeah.
22
23 GV: We were just doing it, so --
24
25 KR: Yeah.
26
27 GV: -- it -- it wasn't -- it was more person-to-person
28 communication than over the radio.
29
30 KR: All right. When you came to the east side of the
31 building, did you see Deputy Peterson?
32
33 GV: No, sir.
34
35 KR: Okay. Did you ever see Deputy Peterson at all
36 during the
37
38 GV: No, sir.
39
40 KR: -- the time you were there?
41
42 GV: I -- I -- I -- I -- I am not entirely sure because
43 it was such a chaotic situation. The only time that
44 he may have been there --
45
46 KR: Uh - huh .
47
48 GV: and I don't remember seeing him, but I don't want
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2
3 GV: Um, is after we cleared the building, um, there was
4 a discussion with some of the city officers that the
5 suspect may have fled to the west.
6
7 KR: Uh-huh.
8
9 GV: And that's when I exited with those officers, and we
10 were starting to, uh, look for the suspect. He may
11 have been -- there was a crowd of officers, so --
12
13 KR: Okay.
14
15 GV: -- I can't say for sure he was there, but --
16
17 KR: Yeah. If you can't independently, just say --
18
19 GV: Right, yeah.
20
21 KR: -- (unintelligible) .
22
23 GV: Yeah. But that would be the only time that I think
24 I would have came in contact with him.
25
26 KR: Okay. All right. Well, let me look at your report
27 real quick.
28
29 GV: Sure.
30
31 KR: Um
32
33 BB: If you wouldn't mind, go ahead and sign and date
34 those.
35
36 KR: Oh, yeah. Go ahead and sign.
37
38 GV: Sure, absolutely.
39
40 KR: Thank you.
41
42 GV: I hope you can read my -- my scribble. I'm not an
43 artist.
44
45 KR: That's quite all right, sir. It's perfect. All
46 right. Did you get them both?
47
48 GV: (Unintelligible). Yeah, and you' re probably gonna
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2
3 GV: Okay.
4
5 KR: -- not. Uh, did you
6
7 GV: Oh, I do oh, both of them.
8
9 KR: Yeah, yeah.
10
11 GV: I'm sorry, sir.
12
13 KR: No, that's okay. That's okay. I mean, this one
14 only has an X on it, but still
15
16 GV: Right. I thought this was replacing it.
17
18 KR: Yeah. No. That's still your X, so
19
20 GV: If you need to ask me a question, I can multi-task,
21 I hope.
22
23 KR: No, you're doing great. Um, I know each school is
24 probably different, but the school policy is, um,
25 about Code Red as -- as far as active shooter. How
26 are you taught the school's policy about that?
27
28 GV: I have --
29
30 KR: Have you ever gone through training with the school?
31
32 GV: No, sir.
33
34 KR: On their -- on -- on --
35
36 GV: I mean, I -- as a school resource officer, I know
37 their codes. Red means to lock down --
38
39 KR: Right.
40
41 GV: -- the school completely. Yellow means limited
42 movement. Um, is that what you're --
43
44 KR : Yes , sir .
45
46 GV: Okay.
47
48 KR: But y'all don't have actual classes where you sit
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1 GV: Well, we've instituted a program at the Sheriff's
2 Office, and I'm one of the instructors. It's called
3 "Active Killer."
4
5 KR: Okay.
6
7 GV: And it's where we go to the schools, but this is a
8 coordinated effort with multi-agencies.
9
10 KR: Right.
11
12 GV: But school resource officers predominantly go to the
13 schools and we talk to the teachers, and there's a,
14 uh, PowerPoint instruction, and it talks about what
15 you're supposed to do in the event of a Code Red
16 (unintelligible)
17
18 KR: Okay.
19
20 GV: -- as far as -- I know at my school, the procedure
21 is -- is to make sure on a Code Red, lock your
22 doors, cover your windows, turn the lights off. If
23 you hear gunshots or perceived, then you are to
24 barricade your classroom with desks and -- and
25 things like that. Um, you're not supposed to open
26 the doors. Uh, we have keys, or we will extract
27 you.
28
29 KR: Uh-huh.
30
31 GV: So that's what these -- to my -- that's the way my
32 school operates. I don't know how at Douglas --
33
34 KR: But is that what you teach at the other schools,
35 also?
36
37 GV: Yes.
38
39 KR: Okay. So whether or not they adopt that, is up to
40 the school.
41
42 GV: Absolutely, yeah.
43
44 KR: All right. Um --
45
46 GV: It is a program for the school board, so they
47
48 KR: Okay. So -- all right. So it is -- it's --
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2
3 KR: Okay. Do you recall how often, uh, you teach that,
4 or when you taught it at, uh -- or if you taught it
5 at Stoneman Douglas?
6
7 GV: No, I never taught it there.
8
9 KR: You never -- okay.
10
11 GV: No. That's -- we -- we've started initially --
12 well, initially. It's been almost three years. Um,
13 we do it on teachers' days off, and there's
14 contractual issues --
15
16 KR: Right.
17
18 GV: -- I believe with the school board, um, so we do it
19 on the days off. And we're still trying to get it -
20 - work our way through the elementaries. We have a
21 ton of elementaries, and we can only -- there's only
22 so many instructors in the county. There's
23 probably, I'd say, about 70 or 80. I don't know
24 what -- the number offhand, but, uh
25
26 KR: Uh - huh .
27
28 GV: -- it usually takes about eight -- give -- on the
29 size of the school, 8 to 10 instructors to fill all
30 the positions that we need, you know, as far as
31 safety officers and stuff like that. So, um, we're
32 still in the elementaries. There's plans to go to
33 the middle and high school.
34
35 KR: Uh-huh. Okay. All right. So -- so it hasn't --
36
37 GV: But
38
39 KR: made it --
40
41 GV: No, sir.
42
43 KR: to Stoneman Douglas yet. All right. Thank you.
44
45 GV: Take it?
46
47 KR: Yes.
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49 GV: Oh, you need that?
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2
3 GV: Here you go, sir.
4
5 KR: 'Thank you, sir. Did, um -- well, let's -- training-
6 wise --
7
8 GV: Uh-huh.
9
10 KR: -- as far as the agency goes, when is the last time
11 that you had active shooter training with the
12 agency?
13
14 GV: In 2015.
15
16 KR: 2015. Okay. And was that just classroom, or did
17 y'all do a scenario?
18
19 GV: Well, I've -- I've looked at my training record and,
20 um, it's classified Active Shooter, Rescue Task
21 Force.
22
23 KR: Okay.
24
25 GV: So, um, my recollection was, is that we did, uh, a
26 scenario while we were training with the, um -- our,
27 um, Fire people.
28
29 KR: Okay.
30
31 GV: And then prior to that, was this 2007, was just the
32 plain active shooter course.
33
34 KR: Okay. So you -- all right. So this last one you
35 did --
36
37 GV: Uh-huh.
38
39 KR: -- two years ago was -- that was where they -- they
40 create the teams of law enforcement with --
41
42 GV: Yes, sir.
43
44 KR: -- fire rescue.
45
46 GV: Yes, sir.
47
48 KR: Okay. All right. Um, do you know what your policy,
49 as far as BSO's policy, says about addressing an
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1 GV: Yes, sir.
2
3 KR: I'm sorry.
4
5 GV: Yes, sir.
6
7 KR: Okay. What is it?
8
9 GV: Oh, oh, yeah.
10
11 KR: Yeah, I get yeah.
12
13 GV: I'm sorry.
14
15 KR: So I -- I should have left -- left it open-ended.
16
17 GV: Okay.
18
19 KR: But, yeah, what does it say?
20
21 GV: Okay. Basically, I mean, there is a large policy
22 but it says that we're supposed to, uh, respond to
23 an active shooter incidence. We may enter. Um, we
24 use real-time intelligence that we are gathering,
25 um, what the office -- officer's perception is. Um,
26 we can go in, uh, without supervision approval. Um -
27
28
29 KR: If you have active intelligence --
30
31 GV: And -- yes.
32
33 KR: -- to support it?
34
35 GV: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
36
37 KR: Okay. And the -- the definition -- or not really
38 definition on that -- of active shooter intelligence
39 is if you're hearing gunshots
40
41 GV: Gunshots.
42
43 KR: -- screaming, somebody --
44
45 GV : Yes , sir .
46
47 KR: -- saying, "He's "
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49 GV: Right.
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2
3 GV: Right there.
4
5 KR: Okay.
6
7 GV: The perceived notion that somebody's actively
8 killing people.
9
10 KR: Right. And then
11
12 GV: Right. And -- and it doesn't always have to be to
13 be by shooting. It can be --
14
15 KR: Right. Stabbing
16
17 GV: Stabbing.
18
19 KR: -- any anything, yeah.
20
21 GV: Okay.
22
23 KR: Okay. Look -- well, that's logical. That's why you
24 call it "Active Killer" instead of --
25
26 GV: Yes, sir.
27
28 KR: -- "Active Shooter."
29
30 GV: Yes, sir.
31
32 KR: Okay. Um, all right. And, um, that was taught in
33 '15.
34
35 GV: The Rescue Task Force and a -- it's classified
36 Active Shooter.
37
38 KR: Right. Okay.
39
40 GV: And then I had separate in 2007.
41
42 KR: All right. All right. Anything else, ma'am?
43
44 BB: (No audible response).
45
46 KR: Let me look real quick, Deputy. Have you talked to,
47 uh, Deputy Peterson since?
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2
3 GV: He's tough, but you know, his world has been torn
4 apart. Um
5
6 KR: And I'm I apologize for asking, but I've -- I've
7 gotta ask it.
8
9 GV: Uh-huh.
10
11 KR: Did he did you and him talk about why he didn't
12 go in?
13
14 GV: I have talked to him, and he has stood by what he
15 has said in the media, and I'm sure his statement.
16 I know -- um, that his perception was, is that the
17 shots were being fired outside the building, and --
18 and possibly with the real-time intelligence that he
19 had, the only intelligence was that there was, um,
20 someone shot on the football field and in the
21 parking lot.
22
23 KR: Okay.
24
25 GV: And that's -- and in -- in a total -- I mean, that's
26 what you all are investigating.
27
28 KR : Yes , s i r .
29
30 GV: 'Cause, um, you know, he's -- he's spent thousands
31 of days, you know --
32
33 KR: Uh-huh.
34
35 GV: -- all of his time, you know and I don't really
36 talk to him too much about it
37
38 KR: Right.
39
40 GV: -- 'cause I'm a friend, and I want to just keep his
41 spirits up. This is something he lives with daily.
42
43 KR: Oh, I know.
44
45 GV: And -- and so hopefully, you know, you all will
46 figure out, but he -- his -- to' me, at least, he
47 all he's ever expressed is -- is that he was doing a
48 ton of things at one time, and his perception was
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2
3 GV: -- and and make it as safe as possible.
4
5 KR: Okay. I appreciate that. All right. In regard to
6 this investigation, is there anything that I either
7 failed to ask or anything that you'd like to add or
8 clarify in your statement today?
9
10 GV: Not to my recollection.
11
12 KR: All right. Have you been promised anything in
13 exchange for providing this statement today?
14
15 GV : No , sir .
16
17 KR: All right. Has the information you provided during
18 this interview been the truth to the best of your
19 knowledge or recollection?
20
21 GV: Yes, sir.
22
23 KR: All right. This interview is concluded at
24 approximately 3:20 p.m. on Monday, June 25th.
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1 (INTERVIEW OF SERGEANT MATTHEW WERDER, #EI-26-0079,
2 05/16/18)
3
4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality.)
6
7 KR INSPECTOR KEITH RIDDICK
8 RB RANDY BURNS
9 MW MATTHEW WERDER
10
11
12 KR: Today's date is May the 16th, 2018. It is
13 approximately 3:35 p.m. I'm Inspector Keith Riddick
14 of the Office of Executive Investigations. Also
15 present at this time is Randy Burns with OEI. The
16 location of this interview is 2300 High Ridge Road,
17 Boynton Beach, Florida. I will be questioning
18 Sergeant -- was it -- yeah. Sergent Matthew --
19
20 MW: Werder.
21
22 KR: Werder. With the Broward Sheriff's Office. Uh, as
23 a witness in an official FDLE Investigation Case
24 Number EI-26-0079. Inspector -- or, I am in the
25 inspector in charge of this investigation. On
26 February 25, 2018, Governor Rick Scott ordered FDLE
27 to investigate the law enforcement response to the
28 shooting in Parkland. For the record, I'd like to
29 clarify that this is a witness statement being given
30 by you as part of this investigation into that law
31 enforcement response to the MSD School shooting that
32 occurred on February 14, 2018. You have been
33 subpoenaed to appear today and are being compelled
34 to provide this statement. Do you understand?
35
36 MW: Yes, sir.
37
38 KR: All right. Prior to beginning this interview, you
39 should be aware of the following. This interview is
40 being recorded. AS a sworn law enforcement officer,
41 I am empowered to administer oaths and take
42 statements. In a moment, I will be taking a sworn
43 statement from you. You will be under oath and, if
44 you knowingly provide false statements, you can be
45 criminally charged with perjury. Do you understand
46 each of these items I have just informed you of?
47
48 MW: Yes, sir.
49
50 KR: All right. Please raise your right hand.

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2 MW: Let the record reflect the sergeant has raised his
3 right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm the
4 information you about to give today is the truth,
5 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help
6 you God?
7
8 KR: Yes, sir. All right. Thank you, sir. Please state
9 your full name, your current place of employment,
10 and how long you have been employed there.
11
12 MW: Matthew Edward Werder. Uh, currently, uh, with the
13 Broward Sheriff's Office, Department of Law
14 Enforcement. Currently, my assignment is a sergeant
15 in charge of the Marine Patrol Unit and also
16 assigned to our SWAT team.
17
18 KR: All right. How long have you with BSO?
19
20 MW: Approximately 14 years.
21
22 KR: All right. Do y6u have prior law enforcement?
23
24 MW: No, sir.
25
26 KR: Okay. Um, on February 14th, 2018, what was your
27 position at BSO? In the same that you are now?
28
29 MW: Same capacity. Uh, that particular day was our SWAT
30 training day.
31
32 KR: Uh-huh.
33
34 MW: I was actually en route to our SWAT training for the
35 morning. Um, we were, I believe, meeting some place
36 in Davie. However, I was involved in a single
37 vehicle accident. So, as a result, I had to get a
38 pool vehicle, switch all my gear out. So, I was not
39 with the rest of the rest of the team. I guess,
40 during the time that it was originally learned that
41 there was an incident over there. However, uh,
42 about 2:30 in the afternoon, I received, uh, I
43 believe a text on my phone saying that there was an
44 active shooter and that all SWAT units were expected
45 to respond. So, I ran home. I grabbed some of my
46 extra gear and started heading towards the school.
47
48 KR: All right. The pool vehicle you were in, was it --
49 does it -- was it a full black, siren radio?
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2
3 KR: The whole
4
5 MW: Yeah. It had it a -- it had, uh, emergency vehicle
6 package, yes, sir.
7
8 KR: All right. Thank you. Uh, do you recall what
9 traffic you were hearing over the air, as far as
10 the, uh, the incident?
11
12 MW: It -- it was, uh, sporadic at times. Um, it sounded
13 very hectic. Initially, it didn't seem like there
14 was much of a command presence. It was just trying
15 to get everything squared away and figure out what
16 exactly was going on. Uh, I did hear, um, the -- I
17 believe the commander at the time initially was, uh,
18 the captain over in Parkland.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 MW: Um, it was just chaotic, as you can imagine.
23 Everybody and their mother is -- is hearing what is
24 going on and they're all trying to pipe up and chime
25 in. And, one of the issues with our communications
26 systems is it's very difficult to get in the mix and
27 get information. So, I had a general idea of where
28 I was going. I had tried to keep my traffic -- I
29 didn't -- I don't think I had any radio traffic, uh,
30 in terms of response. Um, and, again, it went back
31 and forth between, uh, the people at the command
32 post trying to direct people where to go, where to
33 park, where to come in. And then, also, information
34 about the actual shooter, where he was.
35
36 KR: Okay. Did, uh, you -- you -- did you hear, like, I
37 understand Deputy Peterson was on scene, uh, right
38 off the bat. And, uh, uh, Kratz was there. He --
39 he talked about getting out a description and all
40 that. Do you remember hearing them, or was it just
41 repeat of what other people had been told?
42
43 MW: I -- I don't remember specifically anything that
44 they said. It -- it had just been, uh, you know,
45 general information. We didn't have any suspect
46 information. Other than I just remember saying
47 he's, uh, something about a rifle and he was
48 actively shooting. Initially, when I turned on my
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1 KR: Okay. How long did it take you to get there from
2 where you were coming from?
3
4 MW: Um, I don't know. Maybe -- maybe ten minutes. I
5 mean, I -- I believe I was travelling from the area
6 of, uh, 595, University Knob Hill.
7
8 KR: Uh-huh.
9
10 MW: And, I just got on, um, the Sawgrass Expressway and
11 took that northbound.
12
13 KR: Okay.
14
15 MW: So, it was not a very long ride, especially, you
16 know, when you're going --
17
18 KR: Riding code.
19
20 MW: -- yeah, code. So
21
22 KR: Right. All right. Let me show you maps entitled,
23 "School Boundaries." Uh, this is north pointed
24 toward me. There's Holmberg.
25
26 MW: Yes, sir.
27
28 KR: The school. And, there's the 1200. Sawgrass.
29
30 MW: Yes, sir.
31
32 KR: On Park -- Pine Island Drive.
33
34 MW: Yes, sir.
35
36 KR: Can you -- and, um, just draw an X, whatever, you
37 know, circle, where you -- and -- you first arrived
38 at? Where you parked?
39
40 MW: So, I came -- I don't remember what the road -- I
41 think it's, like, Coral Ridge.
42
43 KR: Uh-huh .
44
45 MW: But I'm not a hundred percent what the name of the
46 street is just to the west. Uh, but I came in off
47 of that street. It was -- I mean, the sea of
48 traffic and cars.
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2 MW: I was only really able to make it right around this
3 roundabout.
4
5 KR: Okay.
6
7 MW: Which is, uh, I guess, almost right in front of that
8 West Glades Middle School.
9
10 KR: Right. Right.
11
12 MW: Um, so that's where I was still monitoring what the
13 radio was saying. And, getting my gear on.
14
15 KR: Okay.
16
17 MW: For response.
18
19 KR: All right. Let's go to one that's a little closer.
20 So, you parked somewhere down here. Once you, um,
21 you know, because here's the 1200 again.
22
23 MW: Yes.
24
25 KR: Um
26
27 MW: It was
28
29 KR: West.
30
31 MW: It was a lot further away.
32
33 KR: Correct.
34
35 MW: Just because of all -- I mean, there was traffic all
36
37
38 KR: And, when you say traffic, marked units?
39
40 MW: Marked units. Civilian cars. There were, uh, you
41 know, people standing in the roadway. Uh -- uh,
42 there was a lot of civilian, like, parents picking
43 up their kids.
44
45 KR: Uh-huh.
46
47 MW: And they had to move off the curb. Off the roadway
48 onto the curb and the sidewalk. It was just, you
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1 KR: All right. So, once you got geared up --
2
3 MW: Yes, sir.
4
5 KR: -- if you could, just draw me the -- a -- the -- and
6 then, a general idea of where you went to get into
7 the school. How you got into the school.
8
9 MW: So, initially, um, when I responded, I remember, at
10 one point, there was radio communication, um, saying
11 that he was in the 1200 Building. He was moving on
12 floors, and he had a ski mask on.
13
14 KR: Uh-huh.
15
16 MW: Um, while I was getting geared up, I -- I started,
17 you know, stepping up my response anyways. But,
18 that even more so. Okay, I need to get up there
19 now. Because I didn't know what resources I had up
20 there.
21
22 KR: Right.
23
24 MW: Um, so, as I was getting -- as I was getting ready
25 to start running towards the school --
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 MW: Then I heard the -- somebody say on the radio that
30 there was a delay, possibly of 20 minutes. So, I,
31 kind of, put on my brakes a little bit.
32
33 KR: Uh-huh.
34
35 MW: Just to say, okay. There was kids everywhere.
36 There was parents crying. I didn't know if, maybe,
37 there was a secondary person. I was a little leery
38 that maybe it's just not one person. Maybe this is,
39 kind of, a set up to draw us in. And, so, I slowed
40 down just a little bit.
41
42 Uh, and then there was talk over the radio
43 that, uh, the person might be a -- a Nikolas Cruz.
44 That was the name that initially came out. And,
45 there was a possibility he could've blended in with
46 the crowd. So, once I learned that information, I
47 immediately I remember, like it was yesterday. I
48 turned my back to my car and I looked. Because
49 there was just kids everywhere. There was cops
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1 that I was hearing on my radio was being relayed to
2 the officer from whatever agency --
3
4 KR: Uh-huh.
5
6 MW: -- uh, was in front of me. So, I said, "Hey, are
7 you listening to this? Do you hear this?" Um, and,
8 it was a female, I remember. And, she's like, "I --
9 I don't know," like, you know, like I said. It was
10 very chaotic for -- for several. I stopped for a
11 minute. I heard the name repeated. So, I -- I saw
12 a clump of kids. I grabbed that kid and I said,
13 "Come over here." I said, "Do you know anybody by
14 the name of Nikolas Cruz?" I understand that
15 putting that out there was
16
17 KR: Okay.
18
19 MW: But, at that point, it was a safety thing. And, I
20 didn't know if that person, if Nikolas Cruz was
21 embedded or, kind of, around the area.
22
23 KR: Right.
24
25 MW: So, I kept that kid at my side. I also found a, uh,
26 teacher. Um, the kid that I -- was, like, 15, 16
27 years old, I think, is what I put in my report. Um,
28 Asian male. And then, there was a black male
29 teacher that either overheard it or something. I --
30 I -- don't remember how he came to know. But, I
31 kept the both of them together. I said, "Who is he?
32 Give me any information you can." I tried to
33 actually, at one point, get on the radio and advise
34 that, "Hey, I was in contact with two people that
35 know who he was."
36
37 KR: Uh-huh.
38
39 MW: Um, just to try and get them to the command post.
40
41 KR: Right.
42
43 MW: To get pictures, photograph -- whatever. Um, so,
44 there was, uh, then I recall there was a radio
45 transmission again that he was actually in the
46 school moving around. So, I'm, like, okay. So,
47 maybe information isn't correct. Nothing was
48 verified. So, I'm, like, let me get these people
49 that may possibly be able to find information. I
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1 the crowd, if you can pull up a Facebook page, or
2 something like that. Pull it up now." I handed,
3 uh, both of them off to an outer perimeter deputy
4 that was
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 MW: -- uh, just west of the school grounds.
9
10 KR: Okay.
11
12 MW: So, he was probably in this location. They had
13 Holmberg roped off.
14
15 KR: Uh-huh.
16
17 MW: I passed those two, um, uh, people off to that
18 deputy.
19
20 KR: Uh-huh.
21
22 MW: Advised him really quickly, "Hey, they may have
23 information. Just relay it if they do." And then,
24 I started running. I ran all the way up here
25 towards the front entrance.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 MW: Uh, right at the front is where our SWAT commander
30 was.
31
32 KR: Yes.
33
34 MW: Uh, Captain Robson. And, also Lieutenant McCoy.
35
36 KR: Uh - huh .
37
38 MW: There was a couple other of command staff that were
39 there. And, at that point, uh, at some point,
40 either just prior to arrival or when I arrived on
41 scene, I remember Captain Robson getting on.
42 Assuming command and -- and, kind of, taking charge
43 of it. So, um, I came up to the back of -- of one
44 of their vehicles up here. And, I said, "Where do
45 you need me? What do you need?" Some of our team,
46 and, I believe, some other team members from other
47 teams were in, uh, the 1200 Building and the 1300
48 Building. While I was there waiting to get an
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2
3 KR: Uh-huh.
4
5 MW: So, at that point, I wanted to relieve them in case
6 there was a -- a bigger issue or in case, again,
7 assuming this kid, Nikolas Cruz, was intermingled
8 and that deputy didn't have the information. Um, I
9 could handle anything that might come about. So, I
10 -- I run up here to help assist the deputies, uh,
11 with getting the -- the students out and getting
12 them to safety. Um, when I was up in this area, by
13 the 1300 Building, I remember there was a
14 transmission. I recall there was a transmission
15 that said that the subject might possibly be in the
16 1300 Building. Or, they gave out, like, a room
17 number.
18
19 KR: Uh-huh.
20
21 MW: So, I didn't see anybody else in there. That deputy
22 had actually walked out with those kids and I just
23 ran straight in by myself. And then, whatever that
24 room number was -- it was almost, like, uh, I -- I
25 ran into, like, a science lab.
26
27 KR: Uh-huh.
28
29 MW: Um, there was, uh, another SWAT team that was there.
30 And, I said, "Did you guys hear the radio
31 transmission of the kid being here?" He was, like,
32 "We checked this whole building." So then, again, I
33 reverted back to, "Okay. Now it is delayed." So,
34 we were still trying to put the piece to the puzzle
35 together. I responded back out to the command post.
36 Um, at one point, there was -- it was learned that
37 the subject might possibly be off-site of the school
38 grounds. So, initially, my, uh, Captain Robson, and
39 two or three of the other SWAT guys I was with -- he
40 said, "Don't go anywhere. We have some information
41 that he might be at some other location." So, we
42 were thinking that we were going to be a reaction
43 team to go over there and -- and address it. But,
44 um, it didn't happen. I believe, Coconut Creek, one
45 of the other agencies
46
47 KR: Right.
48
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2 KR: So, at that point, uh, it appeared that the majority
3 of any -- that any shooting, you know, ceased. So,
4 it would turn into more of a, like, recovery
5 mission. So, uh, I married up with the rest of our
6 team at the 1200 Building, on the west side. Um,
7 and, our instructions were we were going to do a re-
8 clear of the 1200 Building. Um, my team that I was
9 assigned to was taking the first floor. And, that
10 was to remove the, uh, road patrol units from the
11 different agencies that initially responded. To get
12 them out, and then see if we -- they didn't do any
13 type of assessment on the victims that were inside.
14
15 So, um, we started doing a re-clear, a tactical
16 re-clear of all this -- uh, this building, of the
17 1200. Um, and, again, my team is assigned to the
18 first floor. And, um, in -- in there, obviously,
19 you could see the deceased. Um, we tried to just do
20 a double check with our medics. And, you know, just
21 see if we could provide any lifesaving care at that
22 point. Um, but, unfortunately, everybody that we
23 came in contact with was -- was deceased. So, we
24 did our check of Building 1200. Um, went back out.
25 Uh, reconsolidated. And then, the remainder of us
26 were going to do a systematic check of the remainder
27 of the school. So, we checked out several
28 buildings. I couldn't tell you --
29
30 KR: That you don't know?
31
32 MW: -- exactly which ones. But, we went up -- I
33 remember -- I, uh, this general area. These large
34 buildings, I think, we were responsible for.
35
36 KR: Okay.
37
38 MW: First deck. Second deck. We still came across tons
39 of kids that were hiding. Um, I remember we had to
40 breach an interior door. Um, and, we were just,
41 kind of, stepping all over ourselves from some of
42 the teams not marking -- didn't have the same
43 marking systems as we had. So, that created a
44 little bit of confusion. So, we were double
45 checking, triple checking everything. Um, and then,
46 after that, I believe we debriefed in the 1300
47 Building. Our SWAT team debriefed there.
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49 KR: Uh - huh .
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1 MW: And, we stood by just to see if we had any further
2 instruction. And, uh, then later on in the evening
3 we were released.
4
5 KR: All right. From the time you went 10-97, any
6 gunshots? You ever hear any gunshots?
7
8 MW: I didn't hear any gunshots when I arrived on scene.
9
10 KR: All right. Um, I know when you got here, you -- you
11 were to the west of the 1200 Building. But, a
12 specific question.
13
14 MW: Yes, sir.
15
16 KR: Did you, at any time, see Deputy Peterson or a Coral
17 Springs officer, or anybody, like, standing in this
18 area?
19
20 MW: Um
21
22 KR: Of the 8 700 Building?
23
24 MW: So, when we initially did our first -- after we
25 finished with the 1200 --
26
27 KR: Uh - huh .
28
29 MW: -- we were gonna go through the remainder. I
30 remember walking -- I was a point person. And, I
31 was walking down the -- the, uh, north side of the
32 700 Building.
33
34 KR: Yes.
35
36 MW: And, I could see that they were still escorting
37 kids, um, out of these other buildings. So, we
38 almost had a, um, I guess, a blue-on-blue situation.
39
40 KR: Uh-huh .
41
42 MW: Because, A, we're on different radio channels, we
43 can't communicate. And then, um, they, kind of,
44 popped out of nowhere. So, initially, I remember
45 seeing kids and not seeing an officer. But then,
46 officers, deputies --
47
48 KR: Uh-huh.
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2 KR: Okay.
3
4 MW: I never made contact. I couldn't tell you exactly
5 who it was. Um, but we did make contact with some
6 other officers from other agencies. At one point, I
7 know there was one of them that, kind of, comingled
8 with us in -- in our check. But then, we said, you
9 know, just so we don't have an issue in terms of
10 training styles, let's relieve him. So, he -- he
11 left the area.
12
13 KR: Okay. Um, I know you said when you got -- when you
14 were en route, the -- the communications was hectic.
15
16 MW: Yes, sir.
17
18 KR: Uh, and -- and, scratchy, or spotty. I can't
19 remember your -- your name. Did you ever try to get
20 out on the air and have issues?
21
22 MW: Uh, at -- at one point when I arrived on scene, that
23 was the only time I remember.
24
25 KR: Uh-huh.
26
27 MW: That I had an issue trying to -- and, that was when,
28 uh, there was the initial radio, um, transmission
29 that the subject may be possibly be a Nikolas Cruz.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 MW: But, that was -- that -- they didn't know at that
34 point that he left. Did he leave campus? Was he,
35 you know, uh, did he blend in with the other kids?
36 So, that's when I tried to -- I -- I took those two
37 individuals to try and get information from them.
38 And, I tried to get over the radio. And, I know I
39 couldn't.
40
41 KR: You --
42
43 MW: I couldn't get over, or nobody responded. Just --
44
45 KR: Did you -- did you try while you were inside the
46 1200 Building?
47
48 MW: Mmm, I -- I don't remember. I -- I don't think so
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1 KR: Okay.
2
3 MW: And, for the most part, any type of information you
4 can funnel to our TL --
5
6 KR: Uh-huh.
7
8 MW: or, kind of, be passed down.
9
10 KR: TL -- team leader?
11
12 MW: Team leader. Uh, I will say this and, I -- I I
13 don't think -- I didn't put it in my report. We did
14 go to an alternate channel for our team.
15
16 KR: Oh, okay.
17
18 MW: To get away from the issues that we were -- that
19 were going on with the, uh, other channel we were
20 using. A tactical channel.
21
22 KR: Okay.
23
24 MW: You know, they' re just to --
25
26 KR: Right .
27
28 MW: -- communicate with unit to unit.
29
30 KR: And that's a -- that's a lag of site channel.
31
32 MW : Yes , s i r . Yes , sir . Yes .
33
34 KR: All right. Um, look at this real quick. Do you
35 know Deputy Peterson?
36
37 MW: I do not.
38
39 KR: Okay. So, you wouldn't know him if you saw him
40 anyway?
41
42 MW: No, sir.
43
44 KR: All right. Cool. Uh, did you hear Coral Springs,
45 whether or not they were having any issues with --
46 or any of the other agencies having radio issues,
47 that you --
48
49 MW: No. I -- I don't -- I don't remember hearing
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1 generally, overall, when we were debriefing that it
2 -- the radio was an issue.
3
4 KR: Okay. Um, do you remember it coming over your
5 channel that they had patched Coral Springs?
6
7 MW: I don't. I don't remember. I don't recall.
8
9 KR: Okay. Do you remember, um, hearing any strange
10 identifiers over your radio that, you know, could've
11 indicated that the -- they hadn't made the patch?
12
13 MW: Mmm, I don't recall.
14
15 KR: Okay. No problem. I know you were a little focused
16 on your --
17
18 MW: Yes, sir.
19
20 KR: -- other stuff. Okay. Um, training questions. I
21 know, as a -- as a SWAT operator, y'all train every
22 Wednesday or something like that.
23
24 MW: Yes, sir.
25
26 KR: Um, how long have you been on SWAT?
27
28 MW: Uh, off and on for -- I -- I got on the team back in
29 2006 or '07.
30
31 KR: Okay.
32
33 MW: I've been off and on the team due to, um, going to
34 other specialized assignments. I was in K-9 for
35 awhile. Um, I got promoted and I was able to get
36 back on the team. So, probably ten years of --
37
38 KR: Okay.
39
40 MW: -- SWAT experience within my 14-year career.
41
42 KR: All right. And -- and, I know y'all train active
43 shooter.
44
45 MW: Yes, sir.
46
47 KR: Over and over and over --
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1 KR: -- and different versions. As far as BSO itself,
2 the, um, road patrol, what is the -- the, kind of,
3 active shooter training? Is it the -- does, you
4 know, the two-year or five-year, or whatever, patrol
5 deputy that's not SWAT?
6
7 MW: You know what? I honestly don't know. I know, when
8 I first got on SWAT, I was one of the instructors on
9 SWAT training active shooter.
10
11 KR: Uh-huh.
12
13 MW: Um, however, that was when it was a four-person
14 quad. The tactics were completely different. Um,
15 and, that was, like I said, that was probably ten
16 years ago that I did that. That -- that I taught
17 that. So, I couldn't speak to what -- how they
18 train now.
19
20 KR: Uh - huh .
21
22 MW: I know how we -- how we do it, um, is a little
23 different.
24
25 KR: Okay.
26
27 MW: But, I don't what's expressed to the rest of the
28 agency, to be honest.
29
30 KR: So, if you don't know, you don't have to. But,
31 that's total -- understand. Well, thank you. Um,
32 any questions, man?
33
34 RB: I'm okay.
35
36 MW: Did I help you out as well?
37
38 KR: Yeah. All right.
39
40 RB: Thank you, sir.
41
42 MW: Yes, sir.
43
44 KR: In regards to this investigation, is there anything
45 that I either failed to ask or anything that you'd
46 like to add or clarify in your statement today?
47
48 MW: Not at this time.
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2
3 MW: No, sir.
4
5 KR: Has the information you had provided during this
6 interview been the truth, to the best of your
7 knowledge or recollection?
8
9 MW: Yes, sir.
10
11 KR: This interview is concluded at approximately 3:55
12 p.m. on May 16, 2018.
13
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1 (INTERVIEW OF CHRISTOPHER WIRTH, EI-26-0079, 05/16/18)
2
3 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
4 words due to the recording quality.)
5
6 TC INSPECTOR TROY COPE
7 cw CHRISTOPHER WIRTH
8
9 TC: Okay. The time is 15: 53 hours on Wednesday, May 16th,
10 2018. And the time is -- oh. I already went over the
11 time. Uh, I'm Inspector Troy Cope with the Office of
12 Executive Investigations, um, and we are currently
13 at 2300 High Point -- oh, man. The list with the
14 I got it on my phone. We had one set up and then she
15 took it. So --
16
17 CW: High Ridge Road.
18
19 TC: High Ridge Road in Boynton Beach, Florida. Sorry.
20 Uh, I'll be questioning --
21
22 CW: Christopher Wirth, W-I-R-T-H.
23
24 TC: -- as a witness in an official FDLE investigation,
25 case number EI-26-0079. Inspector Keith Riddick is
26 the inspector that is in charge of the
27 investigation. On February 25th, 2018 Governor Rick
28 Scott ordered FDLE to investigate the law
29 enforcement response to the shooting in Parkland.
30 For the record, I'd like to clarify that this is a
31 witness statement being given by you as part of the
32 investigation into the law enforcement response to
33 the MSD school shooting that occurred on February
34 14, 2018. You've been subpoenaed to appear here
35 today and are being compelled to provide this
36 statement. Do you understand?
37
38 CW: Yes.
39
40 TC: Um, prior to this interview you should be aware of
41 the following: the interview is being recorded. As a
42 sworn law enforcement officer, I'm empowered to
43 administer oaths in this -- in this state. In a
44 moment I'll be taking a sworn statement from you.
45 You'll be under oath and if you knowingly provide
46 false statements you can be criminally charged with
47 perjury. Do you understand all the items I've
48 stated?
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2 TC: Please, raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear
3 or affirm that the information you're about to give
4 today is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
5 the truth, so help you God?
6
7 CW: I do.
8
9 TC: Okay. Um -- and for the record, um, you've already
10 said your full name. Can you, please, list your, uh,
11 agency of employment?
12
13 CW: Broward County Sheriff's Office.
14
15 TC: Okay. And how long have you worked with BSO?
16
17 CW: Uh -- uh, 22 years total. The first four were
18 actually with the City of Pompano Beach Police
19 Department. Then we merged with the sheriff's
20 office.
21
22 TC: Okay. So, you were originally with Pompano Beach;
23 BSO took over the law enforcement; and you became a
24 deputy?
25
26 CW: Correct.
27
28 TC: Okay. And, uh, prior to that was there any other law
29 enforcement experience?
30
31 CW: No.
32
33 TC: What's your current rank?
34
35 CW: Deputy.
36
37 TC: Deputy? Okay. And where are you currently assigned?
38
39 CW: Uh, the bomb squad.
40
41 TC: Okay. And what other positions have you held while
42 at BSO?
43
44 CW: Uh, road patrol, uh, detective in street narcotics,
45 gangs, fugitive, uh, gun squad for a short time.
46
47 TC: Okay.
48
49 CW: And, also, on the SWAT team.
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1 TC: All right. And, um, some more of the mundane stuff.
2 Obviously, uh, we' re talking about February 14th,
3 2018 and your response to Marjory Stoneman Douglas
4 to the incident that occurred there. Um, during the
5 response do you recall what your radio call sign
6 was?
7
8 CW: It would be EOD6.
9
10 TC: EOD6? Okay. And do you recall and if you did any
11 radio channels you utilized?
12
13 CW: I don't -- whatever -- I believe it's 7 or 8 Alpha:
14 8 Alpha maybe.
15
16 TC: Okay.
17
18 CW: The main channel for Parkland initially.
19
20 TC: All right. And through other interviews I've learned
21 8 Alpha is for, uh -- from what I've been told, it's
22 Parkland, North Lauderdale and Tamarac?
23
24 CW: Tamarac, yes.
25
26 TC: Okay. Um, any special radio channels with the bomb
27 squad that you guys use?
28
29 CW: Yes. I -- I, uh -- at one point we were broken up
30 with me and my partner. One of us was on -- I
31 believe I went to the bomb squad channel and he
32 stayed on 8 Alpha, and I honestly don't recall if we
33 had switched to any alternative channels because
34 they were -- the radios were pretty tied up.
35
36 TC: Gotcha. And, um, at any point were you utilizing a
37 body worn camera?
38
39 CW: No.
40
41 TC: Okay. And just a brief description of what you were
42 wearing that day?
43
44 CW: I, uh -- OD or ranger green pants and some sort of
45 t-shirt. I don't recall what. We had just left
46 another bomb threat at Hallandale Beach High School.
47
48 TC: Okay.
49
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1 and then on top of that, my gear, which would've
2 been a green vest outside that said, "Sheriff". My
3 helmet, my rifle, my backpack.
4
5 TC: Okay. Um -- and now going into the actual response.
6 Can you kinda describe how you got word of it and
7 what mobilized you to respond?
8
9 CW: I believe initially I got a text from the DO, 'cause
10 I was still on the SWAT call or -- I've spent 20-
11 plus years on the SWAT team, but I just recently
12 left as, uh -- an assaulter, and now I'm only as an
13 EOD component with the SWAT team.
14
15 TC: Okay. So, you so, you are a member of the SWAT
16 team, but as the EOD component?
17
18 CW: Yes.
19
20 TC: Okay. And for the record, uh, for the acronyms, DO
21 is?
22
23 CW: Uh, Duty Officer.
24
25 TC: Okay. And so, do you recall vaguely what the text
26 indicated?
27
28 CW: Uh, yeah. It was something to the effect of active
29 shooter in -- in MSD.
30
31 TC: Okay. And in the report it says, "At approximately
32 14: 40 hours I responded to active shooter." Is that
33 when you began to be in route or when you arrived?
34 Just --
35
36 CW: I don't recall.
37
38 TC: Okay.
39
40 CW: I -- yeah. I don't recall.
41
42 TC: But the text, when it came in
43
44 CW : Uh - huh . Yes .
45
46 TC: -- so, that's a rough approximation?
47
48 CW: That's a rough -- a rough time, yes.
49
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2 CW: I don't recall.
3
4 TC: I understand. And, um, where were you -- where did
5 you end up responding from?
6
7 CW: I was, uh -- I was still down in the central part of
8 the county
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 CW: -- uh, in Fort Lauderdale Plantation area.
13
14 TC: All right. And so, do you recall, um -- so, then you
15 started heading that way. Um, do you -- is this when
16 you possibly tuned in to the BA channel?
17
18 CW: Yes.
19
20 TC: Okay.
21
22 CW: Yes.
23
24 TC: Do you recall what you were -- information you were
25 receiving?
26
27 CW: Uh, it was hectic on the radio and they were calling
28 out, um -- and I don't remember at what point. I
29 know at some point they started calling out
30 something on the cameras and then we found out later
31 there was a big delay, so they were chasing --
32
33 TC: Uh-huh.
34
35 CW: -- ghosts, basically, at that point.
36
37 TC: And was this while you were still in route, that
38 information was coming in?
39
40 CW: Yeah.
41
42 TC: Okay.
43
44 CW: It took me, uh -- 'cause of my distance it took --
45
46 TC: Oh. Right.
47
48 CW: -- me a while to get there.
49
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1 the timeline, you -- you were arriving pretty late
2 after the incident?
3
4 CW: Yes.
5
6 TC: Um, obviously, no fault to your own. I don't mean to
7 imply --
8
9 CW: Right.
10
11 TC: -- anything by that.
12
13 CW: Right.
14
15 TC: But just the situation. Can you pick with this, just
16 draw where you ended up coming in? Unless you
17 couldn't -- unless this doesn't encompass where you
18 came in since you were arriving later and there was
19 vehicles everywhere.
20
21 CW: Yeah. No. I came in, uh -- do you want me to talk
22 about it, too?
23
24 TC: Yeah. Yeah.
25
26 CW: Okay. Yeah. So, I I wound up come in the Sawgrass
27 to University and up Holmberg.
28
29 TC: Okay. So, here's Holmberg.
30
31 CW: Right. That's right.
32
33 TC: And now University may be off, 'cause I know some
34 people came down Holmberg and there's a round-about
35 here?
36
37 CW: Just kinda -- so, University should be here.
38
39 TC: Okay.
40
41 CW: And then Nob Hill or whatever it is up there is up
42 here. So, I came --
43
44 TC: You got off east?
45
46 CW: I got off on -- I believe I got off on University
47 and came up Holmberg.
48
49 TC: Okay.
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1 CW: I know I parked right here on the, uh -- just east
2 of Pine Island --
3
4 TC: Okay.
5
6 CW: -- on the south side of Holmberg --
7
8 TC: All right.
9
10 CW: -- I pulled up in the grass there.
11
12 TC: Gotcha. And did you -- you came up Holmberg this
13 way?
14
15 CW: Yes.
16
17 TC: So, you would've drawn that line and --
18
19 CW: Uh, do you wanna just --
20
21 TC: Yeah. Just draw that line.
22
23 CW: -- okay.
24
25 TC: Uh, just 'cause, you know, we got so many to type up
26 I don't wanna forget.
27
28 CW: Right.
29
30 TC: And --
31
32 CW: Yeah. And so, I think, I wound up having to either
33 hop the median to come here --
34
35 TC: Okay.
36
37 CW: -- 'cause the firetrucks were -- had the whole
38 intersection blocked.
39
40 TC: Gotcha. And then -- or another question I got
41 regarding, um, the EOD response. Is this a normal
42 response -- was there any special intelligence that
43 said, "We have to get an EOD component"?
44
45 CW: No. And, uh -- as far as -- we train with the SWAT
46 team. What, uh everybody in my unit in the bomb
47 squad are -- trains with the SWAT team and we
48 respond to big incidents with them automatically,
49 and -- and then other times upon request.
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1 TC: Uh-huh.
2
3 CW: And just based on the previous history of active
4 shooters and using IEDs, it was pretty much an
5 automatic response for us.
6
7 TC: Okay. So, this -- this would've been part of the
8 plan, based off the situation? There's no special
9 intelligence thing, but this is our response based
10 on what has
11
12 CW: Correct.
13
14 TC: -- occurred?
15
16 CW: Correct.
17
18 TC: Okay. And, um -- and it's my understanding you ended
19 up responding at some point to the, uh, 12 Building.
20 Is that correct?
21
22 CW: Yes.
23
24 TC: Uh -- so, here's the corner, here's Holmberg and
25 Pine Island. So, here's kinda the intersection.
26 You're probably back here?
27
28 CW: Uh-huh.
29
30 TC: To the best of your recollection, can you kinda draw
31 the route you took?
32
33 CW: Yes.
34
35 TC: Building 12 is here. This is 13.
36
37 CW: Yes. I, uh so, that's -- came up there.
38
39 TC: And that's on foot? The line you're drawing
40
41 CW: Yes.
42
43 TC: -- on this second, closer map is on foot?
44
45 CW: That's on foot. Yes.
46
47 TC: Okay. And so, you approached the east, uh, entrance.
48 What -- what do you see? Can yQu kinda describe what
49 you see as approaching the entrance?
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1 CW: Um -- well, I think there -- I believe there was
2 radio transmission. Somebody else asked about where
3 to respond and somebody said to move towards the
4 BearCat, our SWAT vehicle.
5
6 TC: Uh-huh.
7
8 CW: And, I believe, it was up in this area at the time
9 when I started moving.
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 CW: Um, I came to that position. There was, uh, I -- I
14 believe a deputy and possibly a couple police
15 officers outside.
16
17 TC: Okay.
18
19 CW: Um, in golf cart. They just pulled up with somebody
20 on it. They were transporting victims on.
21
22 TC: Okay. Um -- and when you talk about police
23 department, could you recognize what police
24 department those officers were with?
25
26 CW: I'm gonna assume it was Coral Springs
27
28 TC: Okay. That's --
29
30 CW: but I don't know for sure.
31
32 TC: it's an assumption, but you don't know for sure?
33
34 CW: I don't know for sure.
35
36 TC: They were law enforcement officers based on how they
37 were dressed; police officers that you had --
38
39 CW: Yes.
40
.41 TC: -- not deputies?
42
43 CW: Correct.
44
45 TC: Okay. Um, did you, also -- were there BSO? Besides
46 the SWAT people that were with you --
47
48 CW: The, uh -- I don't remember exactly. I believe that
49 one of our SWAT medics was standing by right there.
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1 patrol deputies. Um, I don't believe there was any
2 other SWAT guys. I know, based on the radio
3 transmissions
4
5 TC: Uh-huh.
6
7 CW: -- they had already been pushed through and they
8 were working, um, actually pursuing the shooter.
9
10 TC: Okay.
11
12 CW: They -- they -- in clearing, believing that the guy
13 may have still been in the building.
14
15 TC: So, when you got to this point; had the had you
16 gotten word that he'd left the building by that
17 point?
18
19 CW: I don't recall.
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 CW: I don't recall.
24
25 TC: Okay.
26
27 CW: I -- I was -- I -- I was comfortable enough to know
28 that our team had cleared, uh, the majority of that
29 building.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 CW: It wasn't in that building.
34
35 TC: I gotcha. Okay. Um, you can just walk me through
36 what you did in the building a little bit?
37
38 CW: Okay. Uh -- yeah. I hooked up with my EOD partner,
39 uh, Deputy Connors.
40
41 TC: Uh-huh.
42
43 CW: And pretty -- I think it was only -- it was less
44 than a minute that we were there. We were,
45 basically, waiting to find out what else needed to
46 be done. They asked us to go with one of our SWAT
47 medics and we went through the entire building, uh,
48 locating and confirming casualties that we're
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1 TC: Right. Okay. Um -- and, uh, when you were
2 approaching over here, uh -- I just gotta did you
3 have any interaction or witness any deputies? So,
4 here's the, uh, 7 Building or 700 and the 800
5 Building in this area. This is -- specifically this
6 area. Did you notice any deputies? Anybody standing
7 around in that location?
8
9 CW: I don't recall.
10
11 TC: Okay.
12
13 CW: I did not notice.
14
15 TC: So, you didn't have any interactions with --
16
17 CW: No.
18
19 TC: -- anybody? And then just to -- to make sure,
20 because we're on the east side and I don't know for
21 sure where movement is, did you have any interaction
22 with Deputy Peterson?
23
24 CW: I did not.
25
26 TC: Okay. Um -- and that's at any time; when you
27 approached; and afterwards; anything?
28
29 CW: I don't know him. I've never met him in my life, as
30 far as I know.
31
32 TC: Understand. Um, when you were inside the building,
33 um -- when you were approaching the building, did it
34 -- did you -- did you key up at any time or try to
35 make any transmissions that you recall?
36
37 CW: On the approach?
38
39 TC: On the approach.
40
41 CW: I -- I don't recall. I may have attempted. Uh,
42 again, the radio is hectic.
43
44 TC: Okay.
45
46 CW: And, uh, I might've --
47
48 TC: And by "hectic" -- what do you mean by "hectic"?
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1 everybody's on the radio screaming. The radio gets
2 bogged down. Difficult -- it gets very difficult to
3 transmit
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 CW: -- in scenes like this.
8
9 TC: Sure. Um, at any time did you try to key up and get,
10 uh, I guess -- even the general term is called "get
11 bonked" or have the --
12
13 CW: Yeah.
14
15 TC: -- audible noise
16
17 CW: The tone.
18
19 TC: -- yes.
20
21 CW: Yeah. I know I did when we were in the building. I
22 don't recall if it happened outside or not.
23
24 TC: Okay. But when you were inside the building, acting
25 as the EOD component, with your SWAT members, there
26 was a time you attempted and was not -- were not
27 able to communicate?
28
29 CW: Yes.
30
31 TC: Okay. When you're dealing with deputies, officers
32 inside the building, um, did you communicate by
33 radio or face-to-face communications?
34
35 CW: A little bit of everything.
36
37 TC: Okay.
38
39 CW: Uh, there was times -- again, part of it was a lot
40 of -- I -- my belief, a part of if is a lot of radio
41 traffic. A part of it is being inside the -- once
42 you get inside the school buildings, those type of
43 buildings transmissions get more difficult, also.
44
45 TC: Okay.
46
47 CW: So, we went back and forth between phone, radio and
48 in person, just however we had to do it to make our
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1 TC: All right. And then, um, again, not -- not
2 necessarily for this, but you -- you ended up
3 clearing the disposed rifle bag and cases, and
4 things like that. Um -- and you cleared other, uh,
5 locations throughout the school?
6
7 CW: Yeah. Yeah. There was, um -- after we did the
8 casualty count with the medic, uh, the team had
9 called out a suspicious bag on the second-floor
10 bathroom. We went and we used our -- our RSP
11 procedures
12
13 TC: Uh-huh.
14
15 CW: -- to clear that bag. Uh, that -- that was with
16 Deputy Connors. With Deputy Maio I went -- we found
17 a rifle bag in the stairwell. Not that we found it,
18 but it -- it was there.
19
20 TC: Sure.
21
22 CW: And, uh, we cleared that to make sure it wasn't
23 booby-trapped. And then there was numerous bags
24 there on the first-floor hallway. It -- at -- at
25 after everything had kinda settled down, we dealt
26 with all the bags in the first-floor hallway, 'cause
27 it was mostly kids that just -- actually, it was
28 probably all kids had dumped their bags as they were
29 running out. But we didn't know if any of them --
30 any of them were his or not, so.
31
32 TC: Sure. With that -- is there anything from this
33 statement, uh, that you wish to put on the record?
34 Or this is the statement that you wrote for this
35 case. Is that correct?
36
37 CW: Yes.
38
39 TC: Okay. I know some people have said, "Oh. I did a
40 supplement and this and that." This is the only one?
41
42 CW: Yeah. This is our -- this is the only paper -- this
43 is a supplement for the case.
44
45 TC: Okay.
46
47 CW: And this is the only report I did.
48
49 TC: All right. Perfect. Uh, let me just transition real
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1 questions. It doesn't matter what the department.
2 But does your agency have a training, um -- have an
3 active shooter training policy?
4
5 CW: Yes. They have active shooter and they have an
6 active shooter policy.
7
8 TC: Okay.
9
10 CW: Active shooter training and a policy.
11
12 TC: Okay. Um, generally they -- what -- do you recall
13 what the policy tells you in the situation, active
14 shooter situation?
15
16 CW: Yeah. Oh. It's changed throughout the years.
17
18 TC: Okay.
19
20 CW: Um, originally, we went with the old quad, uh,
21 formation waiting for three or four deputies to move
22 in a diamond formation throughout the -- through --
23 to go after the threat.
24
25 TC: Right.
26
27 CW: Uh, in the past couple years -- I don't remember or
28 recall seeing it in writing, but I know the change
29 has been, "Hey. You might be going in by yourself."
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 CW: Or with one other guy or something to that effect.
34
35 TC: And in terms that it might be different you might
36 receive more than a normal deputy because of your
37 SWAT team component? Um, have you received active
38 training -- you've received the training? What does
39 the training, the most current training, tell you to
40 do in an active shooter situation?
41
42 CW: I believe it's to go in as, you know, we're -- not
43 wait -- you -- you can't wait for the four people
44 that you used to wait for.
45
46 TC: Right.
47
48 CW: Or three other people.
49
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