Future Profession Comp & Rhet 1 Manuscript
Me: ³Question 1: What are your current goals in ministry?´ Kirk: [Plays bass] Me: [Laughing] ³Are you going to sing it?´ Kirk: ³Just kidding. My current goals in ministry are, first of all to give 100% in everything I¶m required to do in my job description, and to be the best I can be. I want to«part of my job is leading worship for youth and kids. And I think that¶s my main focus right now«is how do I build a culture of worship in our young people at the Oaks. And so, I don¶t know if there¶s a specific«I don¶t think there¶s one way to do that. I think you look at the culture of our church. I think you look at our location, you know, south Dallas, our economy here, all that. But, where are our kids at? Where is the youth at? Where is the kids church at? And how do we take them to the next step? And so, that¶s kind of my main focus; to push our people to the next step in all out worship, in support of true worship, in spirit and in truth. Me: ³Yeah, definitely. Awesome. Ok so, how do you feel that God uses you the most?´ Kirk: ³Well, um«man. It would be easy for me to say, µHe uses me the most when I¶m singing, or playing, or leading worship¶ like that, but I think the right answer is He uses me the most before and after my worship sets, you know, off the stage more than on the stage. How am I developing my worship team? Brandon, you¶ve played with me, how do I challenge you when you come, not just musically, but how do I challenge you spiritually? How do I challenge the team? After youth group or after kids, how am I connecting, saying, ³how are you doing? How¶s life? I¶m Kirk. Come to me if you need anything, here¶s my number. I think that¶s when God uses me the most. Last night I gave a kid a ride home µcause he didn¶t have one. I found out he was from Minnesota, where I¶m from. And I know his older brother«I had no idea. I was able to tell him, µDude, if you ever need anything I¶m here for you.¶ He said, µAwesome. My parents are going through a lot right now. I¶m just kind of dealing with this.¶ God uses me the most when I¶m able to speak life into somebody.´ Me: ³So you¶d say that you have more of a pastoral role than just a worship leader?´ Kirk: ³Right, totally. There are a million people who can play music and sing, better than I can. So what can I bring to the table more than that? It¶s having a pastor¶s heart and speaking life into people.´ Me: ³What goals did you set along the way to get where you¶re at?´ Kirk: ³I¶ve always been a big dreamer and saying, µI want to change the world.¶ It¶s easy to say that, but another to go out and do it. So you have to set realistic goals and plans. One thing we have here are our µ30-60-90 day¶ goal plans. I meet with Clayton because he¶s my direct superior. We talk about µwhat is my goal for the next 90 days?¶ To get where I¶m here now, I went to school for three years at North Central University, taking every opportunity to lead people and asking, µWhere can I affect people my age
Paul Goldswigg(sp?) was a major influence in my life. and we should just ask. I think that¶s the most important thing about ministry. What can I do in my ministry to change your life? How can I help you be the best whatever you want to be? So. you know? I mean that¶s my prayer.and younger?¶ Many times in life. you¶re in school. to remind yourself. my main focus in ministry is people. it¶s sinful people that hurt people.´ [laughs] ³But speaking these character issues into my life. I know we already talked a little about this. or ministry. what am I supposed to be doing right now?¶ You know. I was the rebellious one«I have three siblings. I¶m called into this. In high school I wasn¶t the greatest kid. Ministry is all about dealing with people. It was those guys who spoke into my life and really made me who I am today. it¶s easy for people to get hurt by the ministry.´ Me: ³So. is that ministry doesn¶t hurt people.´
. when people get bitter at the church. Israel Houghton«and a lot of those are different styles within themselves. who are you allowing to impact you? Are you finding mentors. and more specifically. And then Dave Petey and Nate Rouge. Who¶s life are you impacting? And also. Me: ³That actually brings me to my next question. about words that impact and stuff«but. He¶s influenced me just because of the training he¶s given me. or maybe that¶s a bunch of styles. µMan. Hillsong. You just have to remember.¶ But it¶s true.¶ I think that¶s what keeps me fresh also. and help take them to the next level or challenge them in love. I¶m a worship leader so I write worship songs. Me: ³I guess we¶ll get to more of the more composition kind of side. it¶s because of dumb people. µGod. But first of all. the ministry doesn¶t hurt people. Not focusing so much what you¶re doing on stage as much. He helped passion in me for music. I try to dabble in everything but have everything I write be worship. And you hear all the time. worship ministry?´ Kirk: ³I think first of all it¶s having a heart of worship all the time. One thing about ministry. they were college prof¶s and mentors for three years of my life. Desperation. If you go into worship ministry. and see where people are at. I know we¶ve talked about it some in Songwriting. but you¶re here for more reasons than that. You have to be a people person and know how to deal with different personalities. He taught me that I could play drums and keys and he developed my voice. you¶re supposed to be learning. how do you incorporate different writing styles into what you do?´ Kirk: ³Well. people hurt people. I look up to him more than anybody on the face of this earth. first of all I write worship music«and maybe that¶s just one style. and to be Jesus incarnate on earth. And what I write is what I listen to. how would you describe ministry.´ [laughs] ³My dad is my biggest hero. I¶ve got to rise above this. God has you there for a reason. So what I try to do is I try to write stuff that I listen to. One thing I¶ve learn though. Phil Wickham. or at God. He would sit down with me and basically preach to me«for THREE HOURS. where you are. I was the one always screwing around and he would always come back at me with love. I¶m not a singer-songwriter. so«who are the biggest influences in your life so far?´ Kirk: ³My dad definitely«well besides Jesus. naturally you¶re going to want to do well musically. And so. I thought it was done at the time so that once God got a hold of me I was able to use it in day to day ministry. but hopefully put my own flavor on it and have it be inspired by Jesus. people who you look up to? For me I was doing that with Nate Rouge(sp?) and Dave Petey(sp?). µhurt people hurt people.
Ross. So Clayton.´ Me: ³Alright. And it would give you guys the chance to experience valuable skills for what you want to do some day.Me: ³Okay. the µ30-60-90 day¶ goal plan. That keeps me on track. and she will print it up. I think I base it on what kind of song I want to write. and I balance trying to get younger people involved so they can get hired at another church and restart the cycle. is that it¶s one of the greatest in the nation and that¶s largely to do with Clayton and maybe the worship leader before him. Am I trying to write a contemporary worship song. how to plug in a direct box to this. I¶m not going to hand out all the work I get paid to do. and I¶ll just start singing. I may hear a melody in my head. or am I trying to write a special song? Am I trying to write something with more of a hymn feel? Do you remember in songwriting. Candice.´ [laughs] But I could say that Candice helps us out a ton. Ross¶ wife. we talked about there are different ways we can phrase things that makes it sound more like a hymn. I tell Candice. delegating things out? Do you write it out on paper. What¶s your process?´ Kirk: ³With my schedule. for example. I could tell Brandon [Rogers] to come early to help me set up the stage. weekly tasks. which we¶ve talked about. radio-type song. But. If I need a set list. Then I¶ll throw in lyrics. just tell me what time. Sometimes I¶ll be journaling and I¶ll have lyric down of what I want to write about. helps out with a lot. It usually comes just naturally. Like. I have weekly meetings that I have.´ Me: ³In the writing process. I¶ll say one of the great things about the Oaks. I¶ve got you guys that are just willing to get up and say. Those four categories are starting grounds that I¶ve used very frequently. How do you go about separating things. I talked about it before. There¶s also ways that make it sound like a contemporary Christian.´
. but it always comes from the four main categories: lyric. I just know what kind of song I want and I write it. Sometimes I¶ll just be worshiping. I¶ll help out with whatever. I¶ll just be jamming on a piano and a song will be birthed out of that. do you go through a pre-writing process? Do you just write it all and just format it later? How do you go through that process?´ Kirk: ³There are different ways I start writing a song. The great thing about this department is that we¶ve got people set up that«you know. Our goal is to rise up leaders to go and serve«and do it successfully. melody. µYeah. If I just want to lighten my load a little bit. and delegate the rest of the work to make sure it is taken care of. or rhythm. then what writing forms would you consider to use? I¶m sure there¶s obviously different things you would use. harmony. and I know what I need to do and what I need to dish out. then throw melody in with the lyric. who is our worship administrator. µI¶ve never really set up a stage and I¶d like to know what cords go where. it¶s their job that they love doing«or at least I hope they do.´ Kirk: ³Right. And also having the Oaks School of Leadership. as far as the worship department goes. And I¶ll put chords under it. And I think it¶s a balance. So with writing style I don¶t so much focus on it. it does give you guys the opportunity to say. But Clayton set up a system that we follow.