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COMMITTEE SENSITIVE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C. INTERVIEW OF: LISA PAGE - DAY 2 Monday, July 16, 2018 Washington, D.C. The above matter was held in Room 2141, Rayburn House Office Building, commencing at 11:02 a.m. COMMITTEE SENSITIVE COMMITTEE SENSITIVE Mr. Baker. Okay. The time is 1 minute past 11:0 a.m. on July 16th, continuing from Friday's session of the transcribed interview of former FBI attorney Lisa Page. EXAMINATION BY MR. BAKER: Q Good morning, Ms. Page, and thank you for agreeing to come back for a second session of questioning. A lot of ground was covered on Friday, so I want to clean up a couple of areas that I had questions on. So I might jump around a little bit. I'm going to try not to be repetitive from what you've already answered. But I wanted to clarify, at a very basic level, sometimes in the media's reporting you've been referred to as an FBI agent. In the truest sense of the word, as an agent relates to a principal, you are an agent of the government. But in FBI parlance, is it correct to say that you're not an 1811 series investigator special agent? A I am not. Q You are, in fact, an attorney and were assigned to the General Counsel's Office. A That's correct. Q Okay. You started to get into a little bit on Friday and you articulated the best you could that -- I think you opened the door as to the different types of investigations or how an investigation is opened. It's my understanding there's three basic types of investigations: There's an assessment. Then it moves to predicated investigations, COMM, IVI COMMITTEE SENSITIVE where you then have preliminary investigation and you have a full investigation. Is that correct? A That's correct. Q And my understanding of the different types of investigations is, on one end of the spectrum, it's how that case is opened, how maybe credible the information is or how vague the information is. And then on the other end of the spectrum, it's what type of investigative techniques can be employed in that type of investigation. And -- A I wouldn't agree with respect to the substance of the information. It's not whether it's vague or credible or not. It's really an assessment -~ and, again, I don't have the standards in front of me, but each level of, sort of, investigative permission affords different levels of tools available. And so, to the extent you have more information or to the extent the information comes from a particularly credible source, it means that you can open a full investigation and -- but really the distinctions between -- certainly between a preliminary investigation and a full are a little bit of dancing on the head of apin. Imean, these are very, sort of, nuanced, subtle. Any credible allegation is sufficient for the FBI to open an investigation and take action for -- to sort of generalize broadly. Q But the assessment would be kind of the lower, a very initial -- the information maybe not even relating to a violation of criminal law or national security; it could be proactively -- to COMMITTEE