Chris - My Face-to-face encounter with Jesus Christ
In the case study you are about to read are many exacting medical details plus the incredible passion of a man forever changed by his near-death experience. His name is Chris Russell and he is convinced he saw the face of Jesus Christ. He went on to have more heart trouble and wound up in surgery, necessitating an oxygen mask afterward. This time that awesome Light most experiencers see came by itself to see him, envelop him, and heal him, leaving his doctors in total puzzlement. ~PMH My name is Chris Russell. I am 60 year-old combat veteran of the Vietnam War living in North Carolina. The purpose of this paper is to share a very profound ³out of body´ or ³not of this world´ experience that I had while undergoing surgery for lung cancer in 2000. My story begins in 1999 when I visited a friend of mine in Virginia Beach, VA. My friend is a 70ish-year-old Christian lady who happens to have what is commonly referred to as ³psychic´ abilities. To those who would argue that a person cannot be a ³Christian´ and a ³psychic´ at the same time, I beg to differ and but report my truthful experiences with her herein. Suffice it to say that my friend can "see" and or ³intuit´ things that most ordinary people can't. I've known her since 1974 and she's been a good friend over these many years. She is a very goodly and God revering woman who studies the Scripture and prays to our Lord daily. When I visited her in 1999 she advised me, "Chris, you have lung cancer and you're going to die". Because she has always been so accurate in the past, I took this advice seriously and immediately reported to the Veteran Affairs Medical Center (VAMC) in Fayetteville, NC and asked for a physical examination. I¶ll never forget when the nurse on duty asked me if I¶d ever had an ³Agent Orange´ (AO) exam and when I replied that I had not, she scheduled me for one. The AO physical examination affirmed my friend's prognosis and I was subsequently referred to the VAMC in Durham, NC (which is administered by the physicians from Duke Medical Center and which is but across the street from the VAMC). The Duke Hospital physicians performed some exploratory/surgical testing and advised me that my cancer was in ³stage 3B´ and was ³incurable´. They told me to "go home and get your affairs in order because you're going to die and that there's nothing that anyone can do about it." Not wanting to accept this dire prognosis I boarded a plane and went down to the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX for a 'second opinion'. The physicians at MD Anderson told me that the doctors at Duke had lied to me about the "stage" of my cancer (my cancer was actually in stage 3A....there's a big difference in this staging because the National Cancer Institute (NCI) advises that stage 3A cancer patient may be a candidate for surgery while stage 3B is not eligible for surgery). However, the physicians at MD Anderson advised me that otherwise, their physicians¶ prognosis was pretty much the same as Duke had expressed and that in any event I was probably going to die. Fortunately for me, however, another friend of mine (who happened to be a Social Worker at the VA¶s ³Vet Center´ in Fayetteville) called me one night (3:30 AM) in Houston and told me that he'd been in touch with some oncologists/physicians at the Leo Jenkins Cancer Center in Greenville, NC and that they had expressed that they would be amenable to seeing me in spite of the fact that I didn¶t have any medical insurance. So I boarded the next flight home and rushed to Greenville, NC where the fine medical personnel at
that's not the reason why. "He¶s alive!" «and with that they all broke huddle and came rushing back over to my bedside. "No. a month after undergoing my first pneumonectomy..?" to which he replied. "You want to tell me some more about my dying. When I opened my eyes and looked across the operating room the first thing I noticed was that the entire surgical team (which consisted of about seven physician/surgeons) was grouped together in a football-like huddle on the far side of the operating room. Listening intently. But
. I died or ³flat-lined´ on the operating table. The good doctor said that he had to advise me that fistulas are the number-one cause of post-surgical mortality following a pneumonectomy.." So.the Leo Jenkins Cancer Center (LJCC) examined me. It's had such a profound effect on me that I feel that I have to tell you about it".. along with 11 others (who shared the same stage of cancer that I had). I awoke following the surgery/pneumonectomy... Finally abandoning their attempts to revive me..5 cm malignant tumor which had been growing in my left lung.. "we had you wide-open and were removing some special kind of fat tissue from your heart to use to tie-up your fistula when all of a sudden you started talking out loud! Surprised. what's up. they decided to gather together across the room and pray for my soul. go ahead" He started. back at my bedside and for about the next 20 to 30 minutes they systematically went about checking this machine reading and that and doing whatever doctors do with a patient who¶s in recovery." To which I replied.which he did. So. one by one. This is when my beautiful albeit incredible and miraculous story really begins« Laying there on the operating table. I realized that they were praying for me! Then. (A fistula is a hole in the bronchia tube from where the bronchia tube had been severed in the removal of my lung).this one physician stayed by my bedside and eventually looked down at me and said. So. Initially visualizing that he would only have to take but 1/2 of my left lung. Long story short is that I had a remarkable reaction to the chemotherapy as it all but eliminated the 5. Then about a month later the doctors discovered that I had developed a "fistula" and they would have to go back in and repair it. we all jumped back from the table as we initially thought that you had perhaps come out from underneath the anesthesia. he¶d noticed that I had my eyes wide-open and was looking back at him because the next thing I remember is that he excitedly shouted out loud. They were all very busily checking their medical instruments and at the same time telling me how surprised they were to see me (alive) because I had died and that they'd tried everything they could think of to revive me. I said. "you're probably wondering why I'm still standing here. I had to have another one! This time however. all of a sudden. one of my prayerful surgical team members turned and looked directly at me. it did eliminate enough of it that the surgeons came to me one day and said that they would be willing to perform surgery in an attempt and with the hope of saving my life.all to no avail. Eventually.. Now. I asked him. I could hear one of them talking and the more I listened. Apparently. uh. once he'd gotten in there. doc?" He said. All went well and I seemed to heal up OK. entered the Leo Jenkins Cancer Center¶s µclinical trial'. All but one that is.. "ok. they all wandered off to their other choirs. Then the oncologists and social workers at LJCC found a "clinical trial" that I qualified for and they offered me treatment paid via the auspices of MEDICAID. the head surgeon realized that he'd have to take the whole lung. "Well.. "I've been performing these same surgical procedures for the past twenty-(something) years and something happened here today that I've never experienced before. So. While the chemo didn't totally and completely eliminate the cancer. I.
"Well. "Yes. Do you know what He had to say?" She said. "Chris. But they couldn't tell me what He had to say. When she entered the room she froze on the spot and stared at me with a look of total astonishment and incredulity. no. She eventually made it to her desk and sat down still intently staring at me. I just wanted you to know that.. they did." I said. looking deeply into his eyes. who was I talking to. why would this doctor say something like this to me?" Anyway... "It's not so much what you said as it was to whom you were talking to. I managed to reply. go ahead" She said. what did I say?" (I had no recall of anything that had happened while this was going on). VA and visited my psychic/spiritual friend.?" He said. we found that.. you jumped in front of Jesus Christ and started talking your head off«you didn't really know who He was." Then she really rocked my world saying. "well. very quietly she said.... you know that you died last month on the operating table. He just happened to be over there and He came over to where you were to see what all the commotion was about..." I said.that was it.. you screamed out at the top of your voice that you were sorry if you had ever hurt anybody in anyway while you were on Earth. "Chris. "Chris.
.... Instead. "OK. the doctors told me that I did. So I quietly said..when we checked our instruments. you've certainly got my attention.he looked somewhat shaken up. never taking her eyes off of me..you're not supposed to be here right now. "We couldn't hear any other voices but it sounded like you were engaged in a two-way conversation. "Chris." I naturally said. when you died and you left your body. "well. About 10 days later I was mended up enough to be released from the hospital and I went home." To which I replied. Then. I just didn't know what to say. you were still under«still unconscious.´ So.that you wanted to go back and have some fun. "Well« was He talking back to me or was I just hollering out into the void?" He said. what He said and why you're still here.that was your life expectancy..you've got lights protruding out from all around and over you." She said.. "You were talking to Jesus Christ!" When he said this." She said.. I could tell that he wasn¶t joking. I'll tell you what happened.. Do you want to know what you're going to be doing for the next 26 years.. "Well. You got them all laughing.so we just stood there and listened while you talked. when you came to see me last year and I told you that you had cancer and that you were going to die. you're all lit up. "Gee..what did He say?" She replied. "Yes.. He was quite serious." With that I thanked him and he went on his way. I'd all but forgotten about this event until about a month later when I traveled back to Virginia Beach. uh. uh." I said. He replied.. I didn't quite know what to think about all this but her behaviors began to affect me." Then he added.... "Chris.tears began streaming down her face. She said.. Without saying anything else. just staring. "I'm going to tell you what He said but first I need to tell you something else first. Now. But you just started telling him that you had just gotten out of prison and were undergoing treatment for cancer and that you were now getting a big government check (VA disability check for exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam) every month and that you would never have to go back to work again and that you weren't ready to die.I thought. ³Yes. It was then that He reached over and touched you and instantaneously cured you of your cancer and sent you back to your body. I have the whole thing. that's not very funny. did they tell you that you had a face-to-face encounter with Jesus Christ Himself?" I almost fainted. "Please do. I'm going to make sure that this gets into your medical records.you have angels flying all around your head!" She crossed the room sideways. I said.. She had a look of absolute astonishment on her face. she began to cry. "Yes.. ³By the way. You are now going to live for another 26 years." So I said. You screamed it out so loud and with so much emotion and conviction that you startled everybody that was around you at the time..
´ (I asked her about her encounter with the Lord but that¶s her story and not mine to talk about). it is undoubtedly the most dramatic. I tell someone every day of my experience with Jesus Christ and how He touched me and cured my cancer. why". 2008 PS My psychic friend¶s name is Mrs. Remembering what my psychic friend had told me three years earlier about my living for another twenty-six years. When I had another CT scan a couple of months later. "Chris. You want to know why you're going to be doing that?" I again said. my cancer metastasized to my neck in 2003 and this elevated my case to ³stage 4´ lung cancer. my surgeon came to me to advise me that he had been unable to remove all of the cancer and that there were still some cancer cells left in my body. VA refused to help me. VA. So once again faced with the prospect of dying because of not being treated. they said they were refusing to offer me surgery because there was simply ³no chance for a cure´ (see Medical Notes attached). NC February. While the above story isn¶t the only instance in which I¶ve noticed the Divine influence in my life.. Once again I attempted to get the needed medical help from the VAMC for my ³service-connected´ disease and once again the VAMC in Richmond. I am writing these memoirs feeling fine and thanking the Lord for every day that I¶m alive. I like to think that my story gives solace and comfort to others who are told that ³you have cancer and you are going to die and there isn¶t anything that anybody can do about it. I¶ve been giving these readings to people for the past 40 years and you are the only person that I¶ve ever seen. the doctors have advised me to have CT scans every ninety days since then. My cancer fighting experience has definitely changed my life. "You are going to spend the rest of your life helping others who have had similar experiences that you've had. I am the only one still alive today. I was ³cancer free´. She lives in Virginia Beach. "Because that's all you really want to do is to help others. I simply smiled at the good doctor and thanked him for doing his best. As a footnote. I would like to note that of the original 12 participants that were initially entered into the clinical trial in 2000. Immediately following the surgery however. She said. "yes. who has ever had a face-to-face encounter with Jesus Christ. But I believe you because I've seen and heard it with my own eyes and ears. Instead. Isn't that wonderful?" She had stopped crying and was now smiling. In 2005. I had no alternative other than to return to the fine folks at the Leo Jenkins Cancer Center and receive the necessary surgery yet again administered via Medicaid. Since then. other than myself. It is now five years later and March. 2008. I thank you for taking the time to read my story. Not believing their eyes. I returned to school and obtained a Masters of Social Work (MSW) degree from the University of North Carolina at Fayetteville State University in hopes of helping others. She said. Joy Talley. Chris Russell Fayetteville.
. That incident took place in the year 2000.tell me" She said.. you're going to tell a lot of people about what's happened to you but very few are going to believe you. I especially like telling my story to other cancer patients as my story seems to impart a sense of hope and faith in those facing death.´ Living In His Grace.
Although he remembers very little in the way of aftereffects. I refer you to my book."Themes of Good and Evil"
You will be surprised by this account from Guenter Wagner of Germany. His near-death experience when 11 years old is not at all like the reports of loving encounters with the Light that the public is used to hearing from both adult and child experiencers. as well as stern or threatening messages given with great authority. looking around. but the voice said.to the extent of becoming as fearful and confused as elated. This account is followed by some personal data from Guenter Wagner. Nonsense I said to myself and started to run down the stairs to the basement in a boisterous and cheerful way.and. I fell into a deep blackness. I sensed a grey figure being there.. but I resisted because I did not want to go back through that black hose again. but everything happened in our new home.. At the end of it. in effect." He originally termed his episode an "out-of-body experience. so I must have been 11 years old. Actually. it has all the characteristics of near-death. so for that reason I am publishing it herein the NDE Cases Section. as well as those more typical to youngsters. I went forward and suddenly I found myself in a grey space.Atwater
I do not know exactly how old I was when I had this experience. P. at least. Information about future careers and achievements are common to childhood accounts. Return to Main Page.how he as a child is lectured and even taunted by a predominant"Voice" . The impact of this blow sent me down on my knees and I quickly passed out. and how suicidal tendencies and alcoholism can be a problem afterwards. I heard this extremely uncomfortable ringing noise. However. I did not see this figure at all because there was nothing to look at. a lot of accounts deviate as his does from the so-called "classical model. I said: I have lost my way. I remember going through a kind of black hose. --Dr. I cannot recall the exact words. There were only a few steps left when I jumped up high knocking my head against the ceiling. I definitely knew that there was someone.M. Could you please show me the right way back? The next thing I knew was that I was lying on the basement floor. and. and then a brief Question/Answer exchange." Still. which gradually became
.. I did not know where I was. that the quality of my world that I knew of was nothing compared to the one that he would be able to show me.
Actual Case of Near-Death Experience Guenter . Notice how themes of good and evil interweave the scenario. On that day I left my flat on the first floor when. which details how children's near-death experiences can differ from those of adults. all of a sudden. I saw in some distance someone slowly coming towards me. I heard a voice behind me. I quickly turned around but there was nobody. But then.Return to NDE Case Index. I felt being drawn back by a mysterious force.H.. I suspect he was far more affected by this experience than he admits(children tend to ignore or compensate for"differences").CHILDREN OF THE NEW MILLENNIUM.
I was watching this ball for quite a long time until I could not look at it any longer. The voice was right again. each individual light had its own effective barrier that knocked me off into the blackness again every time I tried to approach it. All of a sudden. and I was able to understand very quickly with a directness that did not leave a trace of doubt. I realized that a white. I did not pay any attention to the voice. I did not feel any pain whatsoever in this process. the reddish glow of the sun did not satisfy me at all. Therefore. I gave in. It was really up to me whether I wanted to return to my body and live the life on Earth with all its limitations and with all its joy or to stay outside in this condition of clear thinking. I could reach them in an instant. However. Please. because I did not want to be seen by anyone with this material coming out of me. a burden of which I freed myself the moment I had decided to stay outside. Although I could not see any physical body but my own. I felt irresistibly attracted to it by its brightness and I wanted to go right into it. you will make a wonderful journey and you will see many interesting things. I became very embarrassed. The voice again urged me to hurry up and to tell him whether I had made up my mind. I saw a huge ball burning incredibly bright. Presently I realized that I was able to move freely about in a way I had never experienced before. and. I saw in the distance a multitude of other lights. Why do you not want to discover your new faculties first? You may still go back if you do not like them. which was now shining in a reddish glow. which could only belong to me. gauze-like material was very slowly oozing out of my head. I saw a great shining ball. No sooner had I thought this when I hit something that catapulted me far out into blackness. I tried once more. I beseech you. because my body was now only a wrapper to me. I thought to myself: How sad for my mother! As for me. I could not stay in that
. bright light and approach it slowly. Then I heard the voice again: If you are willing to stay outside of your body. It took on the shape of a very long stocking and floated at a slight angle right above me. this time it was begging me very earnestly. I quickly learned that there had to be an invisible barrier that I could only approach but not overcome. far away. which was the sun. Suddenly the voice said: There are more lights! As I was looking around. all of a sudden. In the distance. which was determined by this invisible barrier. It must have happened the moment this oozing stopped. I had another go and this time I stopped right in front of this barrier in order to watch the sun. Then I heard it again. Why shouldn't I give it a try? On that the voice said quickly: Test your mind! If you do you will discover that you can think in a way you have never experienced before. After all. I saw a body lying on the floor. I withdrew into the blackness again. the voice said: Look for a single.more and more intense. Its size was relatively small because I had to look at it from a distance. meaning total destruction by decay. more and more of this gauzelike material was collecting itself under the ceiling and I could not do anything to stop it. I wanted to be with those lights! Although they were far. Nevertheless. see what it is like outside! However. I hesitated. but it all happened again. do not go back. I chose an individual light whose brightness was much greater than all the other lights around it and I approached it very carefully. I began to consider my situation. Then the noise stopped. my whole being was violently shaken. which shone much brighter than the Earths sun. Getting in contact with these barriers was very unpleasant. you must decide quickly! So hurry up! Eventually I began to consider the whole situation. I could think very lucidly indeed. I was shivering and I quickly wanted to return to my body and its warmth when I heard someone say: Stop! Before going back. I was floating right through the walls of our house and up into the sky. I did not feel any regrets. this voice was quite near. I decided to stay outside and I instantly realized that my body had to die. However. Meanwhile. because every time I touched them. Suddenly it dawned on me that I was out of my body. this voice was right. The voice told me that it was one of the many stars that I was able to see from the Earth.
I could not enter this world. betrayed. where should I go? No one was there! No one? Nevertheless. I heard the voice again: There is no other way! You will have to jump! Jump! Jump!. Look. I heard two voices.with success. withdraw to the opening where it was finally sucked up. a shimmering line. very tiny and insignificant. (While our world is black -with lights in it . because I saw very far away. The light came from another world. everything around me was dimly bright. but I do remember very vividly that I suddenly found myself moving at a tremendous speed through a tunnel of blackness. but I soon found out that no breathing was necessary. I was able to move freely wherever I wanted to go. there were voices very far away! In fact. over the blackness. I do not know what happened next. I was moving around in every direction trying to figure out a passageway to this world. I had entered this tunnel headfirst. that I was thoroughly convinced that I could only further exist in this new world. Therefore. I was moving faster and faster. so much so. This time there was no barrier that would repel me. I had no choice anyway. As I said earlier. I hesitated. which I must have trailed behind me while being ejected. I continued complaining
. While being ejected I heard the voice shout at me: This is your world! You do not belong to us! You have to remain in this world! Don't you ever try to come back? I turned around and I saw a piece of the black world. I tumbled over myself several times very vehemently until I felt being slowed down by this new world. I did not have the courage to jump. suddenly. I started wailing about my situation. I did not know what to do. Although I felt being part of this new world I did not know anything about it. so clear that I had no doubts whatsoever. I felt very miserable. Go up! I did not know where up was. look. but I only wanted to go to the edge of this line. I simply could exist. in complete disbelief. What I am reporting now are impressions and not the meaning of actual words. There is no way back! This is final! Hopefully. Then I jumped. I had never thought about breathing. I wanted to go there in spite of that incredibly long distance. I covered the distance instantly. As long as I was in the black world. until I was ejected far into this new universe. No other soul far and wide. But. I thought to myself: This scoundrel of a voice! He has betrayed me by forcing me into this world. I wanted to go there but I heard the voice say: They are all alike. Voices in this world were actually no voices at all. Something was thought and I immediately understood what they were talking about. However. However. The blackness was instantly substituted by a sort of dim brightness (if I may say so). The impact of the finality of the condition I was in was overwhelming. I was immediately taken up by the new one. I will be able to breathe and not suffocate to death. however.blackness forever. The black world was gone. I felt utterly alone. I was now an inseparable part of this new world. I could not see clearly. The moment the old world was shut out. Although it was bright. These impressions were.this other world is bright). because I did not know whether it had a barrier or not. There must be a way out. I remember thinking:" Why are they treating me so rough? when I felt this new world closing in on me while simultaneously the old world was retreating until I was completely taken up by this new world. I could hear them say. there is a little soul! Look there is a young soul! What is he doing here? How did he come here?. All right. something like that. but tried all the same . I tried to breathe. I looked around and I saw another cluster of stars that was strangely twisted. My whole being was in a kind of a cylinder or pipe and I shot through this tunnel like a capsule in the tubes of a pneumatic post. I soon realized that there was only one possibility: Hurling myself down this black abyss that lay right in front of me.
It was like being in a washing machine. I cried:" I think that is enough!" Immediately. Despite its incredible brightness and brilliance. It was made plain to me that this process was going to be unpleasant. The beings urged me to go back where I had come from. I thought this very ridiculous being now a part of this new world. I realized that I was being tossed about rather rigorously. so there was no reason to fear anything. however. but of a different nature). Suddenly the sun disappeared and I saw a moon. However. it did not dazzle me a bit! Presently. It was much clearer and more refulgent than the moon in our world. Beings. but I could stop it when it became too painful for me to bear. He lifted me up and gave me a kiss on my mouth. I received the impression that I would have to take a bath similar to that I was used to on Earth. utter love came pouring down on me along with incredible warmth. Moreover. this light stopped at a distance right above me. pure. Everything was black but the moon.that I would not know anyone in this bright world and that I had been forced to come there. The being asked me to play on the meadow. (The brightness of the lights in the black world was brilliant. All of a sudden. even if I did succeed in finding my way back. The voices drew nearer. which was impossible. because I could not sense their voices any longer. and I heard it shouting at me:" I can destroy you if you do not tell the truth about your being here!" I answered:" But I do not know anything else but the truth!" Then something happened that I would never. but by dipping the whole body. infinitely deeply. The two beings must have understood what I was thinking. It was a wonderful meadow. It was shaped like a ball and it was indescribably bright. I closed my eyes. I was in a different world. but I knew that it was only an image of a meadow. Gradually the loving became weaker and I felt that something was wrong with me .something that made it very difficult for the light to continue with his love. I simply sensed their presence.
. however. I was lowered down and the love and the warmth were switched off. I kept staring at this sun wondering how a light could possess such brilliance. Then I sensed that they wanted to force me out of this world. I became very upset and I thought: No one can force me to leave this world. There was not a trace of blackness in it. even if I really wanted to go back. I tried to shade my eyes. but it was indescribably brighter. however. too. that were simultaneously strangers. On that. and more and more intensively. which was right in front of me. I have a right to stay here. but friendly ones. My whole soul or being was immersed in this love. the being of light would have annihilated me. If my story had been a lie. Although I could not comprehend the reason. and a beam came pouring down on me. I was aware of a tiny bright light far away in the "sky" but rapidly coming nearer and nearer. After some time. I would not have the slightest idea where my native world. This being of light loved me deeply. somehow conjured up and suspended in this new world. I now knew that there were beings in that world with whom I was able to communicate. Finally. Then. I was lifted up and put into a red light. how should I proceed? In addition. The other one must have gone away calling for assistance in attempting to find the right approach of how a situation like that should be handled. but I still remained in this beam (or sphere). because I am a part of it. it opened up. This place turned out to be a meadow with many flowers in it. but I did not need to. I simply did not know how. He was trying not to tell me why. but I could not. I had a clear conscience anyway. It was a sun about the same size as the sun of our world. I could not feel anything. Earth. never forget. he was not able to keep it up any longer and he quickly said:" You have a smelly breath" and "You need a bath". lay. I was willing to do what the being of light wanted me to do. I did not know for how long I had been in this state. Suddenly I realized that it was scrutinizing me very closely. one of the beings guided me (I do not know how) to a place that I had not seen before. Love. which was very fine with me. I was happy! I could have stayed in this beam of love forever. I could not see anybody.
This was the message that the sun had wanted to get across. would be much easier for him to defend. At one time I saw the bright sun on the left side and then the red sun on the right side. I wanted to go back to the bright. and I automatically nodded in agreement. However. the moon with its black surroundings disappeared and I saw this incredible bright sun again. from left to right and from right to left. Then the being of light wanted to talk to me on a man-to-man basis. Then it began to move very quickly. He placed me on top of a high mountain where I had to sit on a large piece of rock. I suddenly felt that I should be transferred back into the world with the shiny moon and I remembered the unpleasant pain and the cold that I had encountered there. I was wondering about the fact that I could distinctly see the moon with my left eye that had always been weaker than my right one and I suddenly realized that right in front of me were all the answers to any questions we might have on Earth. dancing. in doing so I realized that they were not stars but in turn little moons. I regarded the whole spectacle more as a funny and entertaining act than anything else. I thought to myself that up here the suns cannot speak but just move about and that this was their way of talking. I realized having been positioned in such a way that I was able to overlook a huge stretch of clouds that were marvelously illuminated from below. Suddenly I realized that the bright sun in front of me was the shiny moon and that the red sun had the moon safely under control making in fact one sun. forced me to look up. Suddenly the sun started to move backwards changing its colours to a deep dark red. I kept staring at this shiny moon when suddenly I felt a strange sensation entering through my left eye and spreading into the deepest recesses of my brain. I was looking at the left side of the moon and the more I was looking the more little moons were coming up in a straight line. which I was no longer interested in. Only then did I realize that I was looking at the moon with my left eye while my right eye was closed. All of a sudden. Nevertheless. He also told me that I had to warn my world against them. I saw smoke bulging out of the clouds and gradually taking on the shape of a mushroom. I desperately wanted to return to the bright. I tried to pinpoint this place by looking at the left side of the moon and counting the little bright stars. Suddenly everything was gone. but he had to defend this world and the black one. His world. I wanted to open my right eye to see the sun again but I was not able to. overall. living sun. He said that his enemies had wanted to play a trick on him by using me as a kind of trap. Then I began to feel cold and I was shivering. I heard the light call:" Look here!" I turned
. However. I even felt an extremely unpleasant pain in my head. because the evil beings had no power in it and he had no power in the black world. but I was totally unperturbed. I felt that the sun wanted to communicate with me. At the horizon. and he told me that there existed also evil but very powerful and cunning beings who were his enemies with whom he had been constantly fighting. I got very excited about this and I tried to locate the place about which I wanted to tell our scientists on Earth that they should come and see this extraordinary place. Then a big bang followed. I could not make out what this was all about. it was not funny at all. Then it stood still and I saw the bright sun in front of the tiny red sun. Again. I asked him why he had wanted to destroy me. (Like a point). living sun.The moon was surrounded by a wreath of little. however. Suddenly a flash of lightning whose intense light was much greater than that of the bright world. bright stars. however. There was no hope of locating this place. one little moon after the other. I remembered the sun of our world. I was in complete awe. It kept moving back into the sky until it was a very tiny red light. I wanted to leave the moon. as it were. It grew larger and larger and brighter and brighter. its warmth that sometimes may have been too hot but. it was life-giving warmth. I tried very hard but in vain.
and I replied:" Yes. I was not worried any more. Besides. the light made me aware of the fact that this war had been going on for a very long time. You will be taken to hospital where you will get a shot and fall into a very deep sleep"." I imagined. not that kind of teacher. While being asleep. He was really afraid of loosing this war. and the light said:" But let me explain this new type of teacher. imagine such a situation. because I did not want to go back. and if this continued he would not see any means of preventing them from taking over everything. slightly alarmed: "Am I being ill?". to fight them off. But the light said:" No. I gradually became accustomed to the idea of becoming a teacher. I have a speech impediment". You are going to teach while being in a sort of sleep. when suddenly the light cried:" I will do everything in my power to prevent this from happening!" Then everything was over. He answered:" No. a teacher who was standing in front of his pupils giving lessons. and I heard screams and I saw fire and smoke almost surrounding me. trying to teach him. But what you say while being asleep will be of much more importance". Again. He answered:"No. I was deeply impressed. the war would have been lost. He answered:" You will become a new type of teacher and I am going to explain it to you in a moment". However. I wanted to help him. no doubt. I failed. I asked:" To my house?" and he said:" Yes. you will certainly speak to them when you are awake. He said:" You will become a teacher. Then it was intimated to me that he needed help." To a certain extent I was disappointed and repeated:" A teacher? He said:" Imagine a teacher in your world and show me what it is like being one. I was surprised and almost could not believe it. I actually did not see myself neither did I see the person to whom I was speaking.around. He would have been powerful enough. However. meaning that he was not sure about that. but how?" He answered that the only way I could help him was by going back and telling my world what had happened to me. The light said:" No! Just a little bit confused. and I saw myself sitting on a chair opposite a stern-looking. and they will come to you and ask you questions". and I looked up and saw myself lying on a hospital bed that was being pushed down a very long corridor by a member of the medical staff. So I asked:" Will they also learn their lessons?". I definitely knew that it was I. You are going to teach the university teachers!". I asked him another question:" Will I also teach them when I am awake?". it will not hurt you". but the war would have been lost in the long run. you will be able to hear and talk. Moreover. from university to university teaching the university teachers of my world. respectable professor. not like that." I imagined our house on Earth. I would love to". it will not be the kind of sleep that you know of. and I saw myself in future life going from place to place. not again!" However. And he showed me a room in which I saw myself sitting on a chair talking to someone. I said:" I do not think I am clever enough to do this. I was so depressed that I almost started to cry. I was completely shocked to hear him say so. and the evil beings had become more and more powerful." I was then thinking of a university professor lecturing to his students. quite vividly. our living room. However. So I asked:" Will I feel pain in this process?". He then paused. I asked. I was too embarrassed and too shy. He said that if the enemy had really succeeded in coming into his world. I considered this quite difficult. He made a suggestive face. because I was now in that room looking
. I was still very impressed with what had just happened. Nevertheless. but also worried. So I thought to myself:"Oh no. The light said: No. I did not comprehend what this was all about. The light said :" Not that kind of teacher. I imagined a map of my world. They will come to you!". the bright light wanted to talk about his enemies. All of a sudden he asked: Would you like to know what will become of you later on in your life? I looked up and answered cheerfully: Yes.
"No. and drapes that were moving in front of a window by a slight draught of wind. However. sitting around a campfire. but you must concentrate very hard". However. So you need to concentrate like you have never done before on what this man is going to say". because I was eager to hear what this man was talking about. Eventually I blurted out "Stone Age". because. " No. I could not belief him and tried to remember what had happened on Earth. I could see a woman with her baby on her back. I did not understand what he was saying. Nevertheless. because I considered my first attempt quite satisfactory. I shook my head in disbelief. Let us go back in time. But he said:" You cannot even tell me now how you came here". suddenly the tone of his voice became very gentle and he came close to me and said tenderly:"The reason for my asking you to concentrate so hard is that. Suddenly the light became quite enthusiastic and said that I was to be the first teacher of this new type. two windows. Take into account all the human beings that are dead and you will have a huge number of people. who were dressed in furs. which I had seen in my Atlas. And the light said:" But I am afraid you will have forgotten everything". He then told me that in that age there were not many people living on Earth. A book will help you. but the first one will be more important. The light said:" Lets have another go!" I closed my eyes and began concentrating extremely hard. you will have many books". He said:" Now we have proof. I certainly wanted to do so. I was able to understand what the man was saying. farther back". he wanted me to do better. Nevertheless. However. You have just heard for yourselves. as far back as possible. but I think Stone Age will do". and there would be a lot more to come. Now the time
. Every detail of it. not that. All of a sudden. "The birth of Christ". The light said:" Do not worry. I said:" How beautiful". it will be no use trying any longer!". All of a sudden. the light was not in the least satisfied. He who took on the difficult task of making such a dangerous journey has just returned and confirmed our suspicion. I suggested:" Middle Ages". Suddenly the room disappeared and the light said:" Before doing this. all of a sudden. I closed my eyes again and tried as hard as I could to listen to what I was supposed to hear. "No. He was disappointed. Go farther back in time and think of what you have learned in your history lessons".about. you will have to write down everything that has happened to you. I was thinking for some time. I saw a low table. What we have been suspecting is true. and he said:" You should have known better. and the guttural voice of the man in front of the group of people. "You call this concentration?" the light exclaimed. I said:" Of course". He said:" I think it is useless". I was determined to do my best. many more. The scene disappeared and the light said:" I am going to translate for you. "Adam and Eve". there will be two books. you should be able to tell everything as accurately as possible. farther back". I was looking down on a group of people. I saw human beings back on Earth. the light wanted to show what it meant being the first. men and women. In fact. with all its borders. If you fail this time. I started to concentrate. "You have to concentrate much harder!" I was amazed to hear him say so. I heard a loud cry of disappointment. and tell me how far back we should go". Besides. I was imagining a map of Europe. Another man stood a little apart. Therefore. You must not only think of those who are alive. we will not put up with that. I did not have much time to think about all this. However. However. books on the walls. He asked:" What do you think? How many people are there in your world? I tentatively said:" 40 millions may be?" He said:" No. and that there were no borders that would keep them from roaming about. They want to resist us. later on. I was disappointed to hear him say so. they were free to walk wherever they wanted to go. to my great surprise. I was not able to do so. I was thinking hard. I have told you again and again. You will have to make a scientific report". and a man who was standing in front of the group obviously making a speech. And he added in a different voice that betrayed his disappointment:" This is a final attempt.
deeper and deeper. They dance around the fires and bathe in blood. But not this time! This time we are going to stay! It cannot go on like that forever". say:" I am primarily a hunter and fight the animals. so scared". will again lead to further dead persons!" He was stressing the words . because my eyes were forced to the ground that gradually began to move. At first I thought: Why is she so afraid? She must be hysterical. kept saying again and again:" I am afraid. But suddenly I heard this other man. I was completely impressed and I could understand very well why he was forced to attack his enemies. I am not quite sure about what happened next. Although I could not see anything. so I asked "Again?" because I was of the opinion that I had watched the first human beings on Earth. I am not going to fight weaklings who start running away the very moment they catch sight of us. too. Some voices said:" They eat meat! Imagine that! Meat! In addition. I saw grassland in front of me and in the distance there was the edge of a forest with very high trees. She kept saying:" I am scared.has come to fight them. I will never fight those weaklings". I could not go on contemplating such things. At first. they build huge fires in the prairie. angry voice accusing mankind. they were all full of fear. The very thought of it! In the end. Her fear began to take hold of me. nothing would have happened. the effect of their work of destruction was limited. one had to fight ones enemies. Suddenly. what remains the worst: They eat meat. however:" Hundreds of thousands". I was amazed at this and I could feel how the light was suffering from the great number of dead people. I am terribly afraid. Nevertheless. They destroy everything that that they can lay
. I was placed in the woods. Many brave hunters have hurt themselves in their fights. that is. I could not stand it any longer! I thought to myself: I wish she stopped worrying now. they would have come all the same. how scared I am! I am scared. As for me. He shouted: I made you human beings a wonderful garden and you destroy everything. They would have liked to run away as they had done so many times before. they are going to eat our flesh. nothing would have happened. I could hear the voices of some people and I heard someone say:" We cannot run away forever. think of the future! We will have to attack them now". It is true. How many times did we have to run away? Many. However. Nevertheless. The movement suddenly came to a halt. into her feelings of sheer fear. At first slowly. we are prepared and willing to take the risk because we are hunters. I was being immersed. I could not understand that it should be more honourable to fight animals than people. They are still weak now. right in the middle of a village. many times! Such beasts! They come and destroy our village! And every time we run away. We hunters fight the animals. but all of a sudden. I could feel fear and anxiety. Every hunter would hurt his pride and honour if he did such a thing. This. However. which are by far more dangerous. Oh. We must not wait until they have become stronger. I felt great apprehension on the part of the light concerning the large number of dead people. How on earth can you be so afraid?!" Nevertheless. They destroy everything. I could not get along with what he was saying. The light answered.dead persons -and -again-. However. I knew that I was in this forest. He was addressing the group of people in a very impressive manner. this time they had made up their minds and intended to stick to their firm resolve. and the light said to me:" If they had done nothing." A voice. However. After all. However. including myself. It is true. However. Her fear grew stronger and stronger. who was sitting in her hut. I was able to feel distinctly her anxiety. Suddenly everything was over. it got worse and worse. Human beings poison the water and the air. It was extremely unpleasant indeed. of destroying his garden on Earth. I am scared". I heard a thunderous. who was standing apart. however. a woman's voice. but then faster and faster until I was no longer able to distinguish any details.
It did not matter any longer how it could be done. I did not want to leave him forever. I answered impatiently: Of course. (In communicating with the beings. I suddenly felt cold and very miserable. At first I was very satisfied that nothing was happening to which I could have reacted with either love or hatred. I could instantly understand everything that was being shown to me. Very vividly and distinctly. to admit that I did not love the light. the second time. they urgently asked me not to move but to fix my eyes on to that place. you have to go back and live! But why have these two beings been allowed to stay? The light answered that even these two beings could not stay on permanently. being a little and ignorant child. Nevertheless. Thereupon the being of light started to show me my past life again. I still was not satisfied. you have to go back and live. He the master. because this was only an experiment to test my ability whether I was able to really understand what I was watching. I had. If the being of light wanted me to go back and live. to position himself further back in the sky. Everything started from the beginning. I could still not understand why. However. I simply had to. I was just very happy to be able to watch my former world and myself. And if they continue to destroy everything they will blow up the whole Earth in the end! I was completely perplexed. the film speeded
. the light said: Ask me that you do not know how to inform your world.their hands on. So I asked him if I could come back after having told my world and stay with him permanently. However. Although I still did not know my way back. but I certainly was willing to learn everything that he wanted me to learn. this time I had no doubts whatsoever. showing me my past life on Earth. To my great surprise.After some time. Indeed. the light started. This light had absolute power. I surely could come back and stay in this bright world in which those two beings were already living! But the light repeated: No. and I knew what to look for during the second review. I repeatedly pleaded: Why? Why can I not come back? Why?Why?Why? Why am I not allowed staying on in your very love and warmth? The light answered that no one could stay permanently with him. This was not the case when I was talking with the being of light). He said: No. Then. They were only in this world in order to learn. because I only had to mind my behaviour with regard to love or hatred). one of the other beings asked me to watch a certain place very carefully. If it was not possible to stay with him. I always used my mouth as I had done on Earth. (I cannot remember any details. the light answered in an angry and brusque voice: You will know how to do it when the time is right. You could see for yourself. it was true. he began to emphasize the importance of love and learning. In addition. I was stupefied! The images of this film moved very rapidly. he has only this one place (Earth). I still could not see what love and learning should have to do with my wish to stay on in this bright world. former events of my life on Earth were shown with the emphasis on my reaction to certain situations in terms of love or nastiness or even hatred. I the apprentice. and I could not feel his presence any longer. He wanted me to be his apprentice. However.) The beings asked me several times if I could clearly comprehend what was being shown. However. because the beam had been switched off. I answered: But you have just told me how to do it! However. I would not know how to inform my world. However. but this time the stress lay on the quality of my soul during my existence on Earth. (I could not see how I came into existence on Earth. Although Man is constantly looking for other places. he insisted by saying: Now you are again a little and ignorant child that does not know how to do it! So I asked him that. On that. I did what I had been told to and presently I saw this panoramic review. This was made quite clear to me. to my great dismay. (I did not feel miserable any longer). I regarded this actually more as an entertainment than anything else. of course! because I was slightly annoyed about their questions. When I was watching my past life the first time.
the film was accelerated to such an extent that I was unable to distinguish any images at all. unmarried. Later in my life. but I was unable to do so. Then I saw the light disappear into the Sky. when. and I heard a laughter and the words: And he really thought he could stay on! Then the being of light was gone. but this is the way human beings behave on Earth! You cannot really blame me for that! (The great light did not blame me for anything that I had done on Earth). Then suddenly a voice told me that I had to learn another language. shortly before Christmas Eve. Then I was shown some more nasty scenes on Earth in which I had behaved badly. When I opened my eyes. one night. Suddenly. too. so that every bad aspect of my character stood out clearly in front of me. I said to the light: But you must understand! This is bad. The big change. When I woke up the following morning. while being tucked back into my body. I couldn't recall a single word!! For the following 25 years I had lived my life the way I wanted it to live. which was not particularly painful. I did develop a drive for learning English. I remember starting to cry: I do not want to die.up. I still had excuses. I could not recall everything at once. whereupon I heard a voice shout at me: Amend yourself! And another voice said: You must kill your mother! Then I climbed up the stairs down which I had been jumping so happily. I became an alcoholic and resigned from church. all right. however. Suddenly it struck me that I. I simply didn't know how to proceed. the being of light returned and said that I had to forget everything. and they were talking about a light. This went on for about 2 weeks. Surely it would have killed me! I
. had once seen such a light. I neither believed in God nor in the other world. I could see a scene in which my twin sister and I were quarreling (I could not make out the reason for the argument). About myself: I am German. I simply did not know what to do next. One of the other beings brought me back to Earth (I do not know how). Then. I could only feel a minor swelling on the top of my head. there was really no other way possible. Relieved. and I was confronted with a situation in which I behaved extremely badly. I turned myself on the other side and fell asleep. However. Thank God. came in 1980. I wondered if there would ever be a way back. I do not want to die. but I instantly knew how ugly I had behaved. and I do not want to die! Then I picked myself up and in approaching the staircase. However. no doubt). male. no claim whatsoever! I was completely shaken and dejected. Then it stopped abruptly. age: 60 After my experience I was very troubled and I couldn't understand what had happened to me. Yes. Period. End of report. I would encounter great misery. I wanted to obey the being of light by writing a scientific report. I only heard. but there still was not anything for which I could have been made responsible. I was stupid enough to say triumphantly:See. though. It was horrifying! I could hardly believe this character of mine! I was finally convinced! Such a soul could never stay on in this bright world! I had no right. I couldn't talk to anybody about it. My behaviour was tremendously enhanced. I wanted to go back. At night I felt very miserable. a snapping sound like the sound that can be heard when you put the lid on top of a mess tin securing it with the catch. there is nothing! On that. On TV there was a report on NDEs. I think the great light became slightly impatient (at my stupidity.
that I instantly got rid of my alcohol problem. I could not recall everything at once. however. In spite of all that has happened. no cancer. I became an alcoholic and resigned from church. and they were talking about a light. I have been able to establish a personal relationship with the being of light by way of internal fights. The negative effects were three suicide attempts in 1981.)As an aftereffect of alcoholism. there was a report on NDEs. The being of light was right. Surely. after all. when. shortly before Christmas Eve. At night. The positive effect of all this was. Period. Suddenly it struck me that I. Thank God. too. Later in my life. that I instantly got rid of my alcohol problem. The being of light was right. In 1980/81 I couldn't write down my experience in German. The negative effects were three suicide attempts in 1981. I couldn't recall a single word!! For the following 25 years. However.K. I did develop a drive for learning English. They took out my entire stomach plus other organs. Immediately after my experience. I simply did not know what to do next. I wanted to obey the being of light by writing a scientific report. Relieved. the being of light returned and said that I had to forget everything. (The third one almost being successful. visions and auditions and I am now in a position to go public with my experience. had once seen such a light. By the way. I developed a rupture of my stomach in 1986 whereby I missed the grave only by an inch. after all. I felt very miserable. came in 1980. I would encounter great misery. This went on for about 2 weeks.personally call this my Saul/Paul experience. no cancer. I had lived my life the way I wanted it to live. The third one almost being successful. I simply did not know how to proceed. I couldn't talk to anybody about it. Saul had been blind for 3 days and became an apostle later on and I became a fighter against the devil in and about me. They took out my entire stomach plus other organs. however. however. it would have killed me! I personally call this my Saul/Paul experience. I believed neither in God nor in the other world. and even today there is no German translation. When I woke up the following morning. Saul had been blind for 3 days and became an apostle later on and I became a fighter against the devil in me.
. because it had a similar effect on me. because I have not yet had the inner O. I developed a rupture of my stomach in 1986 whereby I missed the grave only by an inch. I turned myself on the other side and fell asleep. On TV. Then suddenly a voice told me that I had to learn another language. Since Christmas 1980. The big change. from the being of light who is our Lord Jesus Christ. As an after-effect of alcoholism. By the way. though. I was very troubled and I couldn't understand what had happened to me. but I was unable to do so. I would not like to miss one single event of my live. The positive effect of all this was. because it had a similar effect on me. one night.
How do you explain the loving parts and the not-so-loving parts. There are both hellish and heavenly aspects to your experience .
. a visible God. The loving parts come exclusively from our Lord Jesus Christ. Q. dragon etc. it is more difficult for me to translate my story into German. Well. Strangely enough. because I have not yet had the inner O. These three make one God in Jesus Christ. eternity. and I have trouble finding the correct German terms. The Bible calls them demons. and even today there is no German translation. serpent. omnipotence etc.(I have never been good at translating anyway. a real person in whom the fullness of the Godhead dwells (according to Paul). For instance. and on earth we are constantly surrounded by them .) Here are some answers to your questions: Q.In 1980/81 I couldn't write down my experience in German. devil. I can testify to this. The term God includes infinity. How do I feel about this? A. because the recollection of the experience was entirely in English. in spite of all that has happened. we are the copies. who is God. being told to kill your mother. there was not only a voice at the end of the experience. They hate Jesus Christ and every person who chooses Him. the way you were treated. (He being the original. the evil voices told me more than once that they were going to kill me. However. How do you feel about this? A. however. Q.sometimes people get obsessed by them. Since Christmas 1980. Right after my NDE/OBE. I did. Yes. evil beings. He is God in form. from the being of light who is our Lord Jesus Christ. Q. (I did not kill her. no one knows what those words actually mean. That is why the most ancient Jews did not name God. so to speak). Besides. visions and auditions and I am now in a position to go public with my experience. Since 1980 I have undergone many temptations and have thus learned more than during my entire stay in the other world. There are not only good guys in the spiritual world. Such a judgmental light. Jesus Christ is plainly man and all other human beings are made in His image. You could also say that through temptations I have drawn the Lord God Jesus Christ into existence on earth. I would not like to miss one single event of my life. but right at the beginning as well. I had no idea whatsoever as to who that voice was or where it came from.K. Please don't get me wrong here.both the good and the bad. I have been able to establish a personal relationship with the being of light by way of internal fights. But this is not so with the name Jesus Christ. I have been fighting those evil spirits since 1980 and this will continue until I die -that is until I leave my body forever. all the emphasis on fighting. what you were told?I am also curious to know about afterward A. His father is Divine Love itself and He is Divine Wisdom itself and His will is the Holy Ghost. Did you like your mother? A. She died peacefully at the age of 92 in 1994).
No. he began to emphasize the importance of love and learning. No one in my family knows about my experience. occurrences etc." In this sentence alone is hidden more than words can tell and so it is with the entire account. whatsoever. let alone my colleagues. Q. We didn't have much to eat. Our Lord God Jesus Christ has the power to destroy them. Love is what constitutes man (either way) . Was your body different in any way afterward? Were your abilities and perceptions different in any way? How did you feel inside? How was school for you afterwards? Did you feel any different in your family? A. it is He who does so. With your twin sister? A. My home town was not subject to enemy attacks and remained intact. it is not me who fights these evil beings. I had a happy childhood. In April last year He came to me in person (although I did not see him) and set my whole heart and chest on fire. He taught me: I am nothing. this is another story. And so on and so on. the war ended in 1945. He told me so in His "lecture" on the importance of love and learning. for example.
. Q. A. I have nothing. no doubt. I have what I have through the Lord Jesus Christ. but we never starved. However. because of their free will and their love. I have not. I said in my report. evil spirits. but He will not do so. I am dead. I had forgotten my NDE and I led a normal life. You must have been caught up in the war years and what happened to Germany and with the Nazis. No special feelings. I am alive.The not-so-loving parts stem from malicious. Q. Actually. though. Their hatred is indescribable. I was born in 1942. She knows nothing about it. In January 1987. The being of light (Our Lord Jesus Christ) is my Master and I am His apprentice. You were only 11 years old at the time of your experience. However. I can do what I can do through the Lord Jesus Christ. and I quote: "In addition. I do not know whether you have ever experienced their malice and their slanderous behaviour. they did and still do love evil and without love no one can exist. I can do nothing. I am what I am through the Lord Jesus Christ. They were once physical human beings. as He told me so in my NDE/OBE.
while recollecting my experience. it takes about 20 to 30 years. You are right on. even 40 years. So do I. By the way. the third one at the age of 11 or 12.Q. I also recalled those two other experiences. A. before they are able to understand what happened to them and integrate their experience. indeed.
.. Return to Main Page. A. I have found that with the majority of child experiencers of near-death states.. the second one when I was about four. In 1980/81. which made things worse at that time. I do believe you had a near-death experience. as well. I turned to alcohol when I was about 20 years old. the first one during birth. Q. Q. Return to NDE Case Index. not just an out-of-body experience. That is most certainly true.. A.. I had three OBEs altogether. Many turn to alcohol within about 5 to 8 years of their experience.