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BEFORE
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THE PLAINFIELD TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION
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4 Tuesday, July 16, 2018
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IN RE: Grand Central Sanitary Landfill, Inc.
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PLAINFIELD TOWNSHIP FIRE HALL
10 6480 Sullivan Trail
Wind Gap, Pennsylvania 18091
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PRESENT: PAUL LEVITS, Chairperson
15 ROBERT SIMPSON, Vice-Chairperson
THOMAS PETRUCCI, Township Manager
16 TERRY KLEINTOP, Member
ROBIN DINGLE, Member
17 JEFFREY BEAVAN, Member
18 JOHN LEZOCHE, Zoning Officer
19 PAIGE GERTSTENBERG, Secretary
20 DAVID BACKENSTOE, ESQUIRE, Solicitor
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I ALSO PRESE T: I out at I 0 o'clock. What we're going to do is give
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KARASEK LAW OFFICE. LLC 2 the applicant a few minutes to give an updated
3 BY: MATTHEW GOODRICH. ESQUIRE 3 presentation. Then we're going to pick up with a
641 Market Street 4 couple people from last month, or the last meeting I
4 Bangor. PA 18013-1701
610.5880224 5 should say, to finish comments and then we're going
5 -- For Synagro 6 to go into the zoning review letter of 40 pages, at
6 7 least get started, which we've had for many, many
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134 Broadway 9 So Synagro, it's all yours.
8 Bangor. PA 18013
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10 MR. HECHT: Thank you very much. J'm
9 -- For Pen Argyl Borough II Jim Hecht, project developer for the Slate Belt Heat
10 12 Recovery Center. Tonight we have a short
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SPEAKERS ON THE RECORD: 13 presentation and then as the chairman said, we'll be
12 14 opening up to comments from the commission and
JIM HECHT. Project Manager. Synagro IS questions or comments from the public.
13 DAVE ALLEN. Civil Engineer. Earth Res
TOM PULLAR. Senior Project Manager. EanhRes 16 Where we are in the process, we have
l-l 17 gone through the engineer's letter. We have
15 18 reviewed the zoning letter. We still have to go
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17 19 over it with you, but we've taken a look at it and
18 20 we are preparing a supplemental application as
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21 we -- as we mentioned during -- at the time of the
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21 22 Hanover Review.
22 23 And for tonight, I will -- we're
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24 24 preparing the application, which will go in sometime
25 25 before the end of the month. And so that
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THE CHAIRMAN: Grant Central Sanitary I application will be formally reviewed at the August
2 Landfill. Slate Belt Heat Recovery Center. again. a 2 planning commission meeting.
3 time extension through September 30th. 3 But what \\'e thought would be helpful
4 MR. BACKE STOE: That's actually 4 for us and possibly the commission. is to do a brief
5 through October. 5 informal description of the major changes to
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Through October 30th. 6 the -- our application and secure any additional
7 Do I have a motion to agree to that? 7 comments from the commission or the public. We can
8 MR. SIMPSON: I make a motion. 8 still make changes over the next week before we
9 THE CHAIRMA : I have a motion. Do I 9 ubmit it.
10 have a second') 10 So \\'e'll have a short presentation and
11 MS. DINGLE: I'll second. II then we'll tum it over to questions.
12 MR. GOODRICH: And \\'e submitted the 12 The comments that we're going to make
13 formalized -- 13 tonight will be addressing the four variances that
14 MR. BACKENSTOE: Papemork and written 14 are noted in the zoning officer's letter which we
15 extension on that as well. Paul. 15 have yet to go over. We can go over them now. We
16 THE CHAIRMAN: All those in favor say 16 have a presentation. If we get to the letter. we'll
17 Aye. 17 have addressed them.
18 MR SIMPSO : Aye. 18 We have been -- as you know. we've
19 MR. KLEI TOP: Aye. 19 been modifying our plans on the project since our
20 MS. DINGLE: Aye. 20 submittal. which has been about a year and a half
21 MR. BEA YA : Abstain. 21 ago. We think we have a -- a design now that is
22 (Off the record.) 22 fully compliant \\'ith the zoning ordinance that
23 THE CHAIRMA : "Ve are going to call 23 addresses all of the ariances. some in different
24 the meeting back to order. We do have a time frame 24 ways. We'll go over those today and then we can
25 here. as like last month. the fire company wants us 25 discuss them.

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I And if you have questions while we're
2 doing the presentation, we can certainly entertain
3 those. In order to go over the variances, I have
4 Dave Allen from EarthRes who is going to do a
5 presentation on that. Thank you.
6 MR. ALLE : Good evening. I'm Dave
7 Allen with EarthRes. I'm the civil engineer on the
8 project. As Jim mentioned, we're going to go
9 through the four variances highlighted by the zoning 9 coming through to facilitate input from Pen Argyl
10 officer's review letter. I only have a handful of 10 Borough. Plainfield Township. [believe there was
II slides, but each one I'm going to touch on a II 13 municipalities invited to that meeting in all.
12 variance.
13 So the first one is just a
14 revised -- a current copy ofa revised site plan
15 that we will be submitting to the township, along
16 with the technical comments that we're going to
17 address from the Hanover Engineer review letter.
18 So with this I'm going to move to the
19 next slide just to show you this specific area. So
20 as the zoning officer observed in his review, we had
21 some proposed parking areas that were not compliant
22 with the zoning ordinance.
23 So there was two issues and two
24 variances highlighted by that letter. We have had a
25 24-foot drive-out. We since then have revised that
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I to a 25 foot to be compliant with the zoning
2 requirement. We also have this area shown as
3 gravel. So we were just having an additional
4 parking field just reserved in the back of the site.
5 It will go back here. And in the back of our site
6 just for additional parking spaces. So that has
7 been revised to show that's all pavement versus
8 gravel.
9 So they're the two variances that the
10 zoning officer mentioned.
II With the third variance that was
12 noted, I want to go through kind of a timeline of
13 the access drive for the landfill. I think it's
14 important. I guess the overreaching point here is
15 that we're going to revise the plan to show a
16 driveway off of Pen Argyl Road. But I do think it's
17 appropriate just to mention the timel ine of the
18 access road before.
19 So this is a Google Earth aerial from
20 1999. This is 512. This Pen Argyl Road. Atthat
21 time the access road from the landfill to 512 was
22 not in existence.
23 So you will see the old operation here
24 for the landfill. This area here is the Evergreen
25 Cemetery. There was a driveway off of Pen Argyl
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I here. and that access road extended all the way up
2 to the curve of Pen Argyl. and this is also a
3 full-movement driveway used by trash trucks.
4 So in the mid '90s. the Grand Central
5 Sanitary Landfill proposed an expansion. Part of
6 that is also a local municipality involvement
7 program. So that's basically DEP notifies all the
8 municipalities in the area that the project is
12 So part of that was the concerns of
13 the increase in tonnage and increase in truck
14 traffic through Pen Argyl Borough. That was a
15 comment that resonated throughout the correspondence
16 I looked at with DEP. I wasn't personally involved.
17 but you can see the train of concerns from
18 particularly the borough and particularly the
19 township. ha ing truck traffic going through the
20 borough streets.
21 [ think everyone here would agree the
22 streets are rather tight. It's an old borough.
23 They're not conforming to today's curb radiuses and
24 that type of thing for truck movements.
25 Part of that Grand Central Landfill
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agreed to extend the access road a haifa mile from
2 this point through the to\\'nship property up through
3 here and connect to 5 I2. Part of that was the
4 Plainfield Township reviewed the technical design of
5 that driveway. was ultimately approved by PennDOT
6 for a highway occupancy permit. which they call HOP.
7 and that technical review period was probably a year
8 long. and as was submitted to DEP. and they approved
9 the access road and it was put into operation
10 roughly in spring of 1998.
II With that. the other thing 1want to
12 note. this is rather difficult to see. but there is
13 three existing Grand Central Sanitary Landfill
14 driveways in Pen Argyl. So there is an emergency
15 access road here. There is the operations area
16 entrance here. and there is also a third driveway
17 here. which all three are closed off. gated and
18 locked. And there's obviously the Evergreen
19 Cemetery driveway.
20 So there is a chain of permitting
21 documents that we have and we'd be glad to submit
22 them that basically shows that old entrance. the
23 original approval from Penn DOT. the approval to
24 remove it and also we have -- we did not have
25 permits for these driveways. because I think they
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I predate that requirement to go through Penn DOT.
2 So what are we proposing to do? Well,
3 we're proposing to put in the driveway in the
4 revised plan. This is the proposed lot line. And
5 this is the facility driveway that would use, you
6 know, a portion of the access road to come through
7 25-foot wide exit, 25-foot entrance and then the
8 25-foot stripe island.
9 That would basically accommodate
10 trucks 65 feet to be exact, which is the largest
II truck that you can put on the Pennsylvania state
12 road.
13 Trucks will be coming from southbound
14 and traveling north on Pen Argyl Road. They will
15 come in, use -- you know, they'll come into the
16 facility, same thing, they'll all exit the facility
17 here and come back and return on Pen Argyl Road.
18 There is an internal traffic movement,
19 which we have previously predicted. So any time a
20 truck comes in and needs to visit the facility, it's
21 going to go to -- ['II return to th is image. It's
22 going to return to the scales for the landfill. So
23 basically they'll come in, visit the facility, come
24 down and use the internal access road, use the
25 scales and return back and then exit.
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I That will be in our submission. The
2 applicant has contracted with a traffic engineer,
3 the original traffic consultant for the landfill.
4 We would anticipate they'll have a scoping meeting
5 with Penn DOT to figure out what intersections, what
6 the extent of the traffic assessment that PennDOT
7 wants to look at.
8 [ don't know for sure, but it's
9 customary for the township to be invited to those
10 meetings. So I would anticipate that you will be
II invited to the scoping meeting. And that would
12 ultimately be something that the traffic consultant
13 is going to look at, not only this proposed
14 driveway, but also looking at the existing 512
15 driveway, because we feel it's important to look at
16 both those traffic conditions. Yes, sir.
17 MR.KLE[ TOP: Mr.Allen,doesthis
18 mean your trucks now will be using 191 to get to Pen
19 Argyl Road and travel north on Pen Argyl Road?
20 MR. ALLE : Yes, sir, [ apologize, [
21 missed that step. In the original landfill access
22 before, that was part of my understanding of
23 discussions is landfill trucks would no longer use
24 Pen Argyl Road and travel 191 through the township
25 to the 33 interchange.
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I MR. KLE TOP: So your trucks \\·ill now
2 get off at Belfast?
3 THE WITNESS: Correct. through
4 Stockertown. through Stockertown Borough. come up
5 191. as they did before. with the previous landfill
6 trucks.
7 MS. DI GLE: And then go Pen Argyl
8 Road?
9 MR. ALLEN: Correct.
10 MS. DI GLE: As you said. these roads
II are not really designed for that and nor do we have
12 traffic lights. And there are couple pedestrian
13 intersections there that there are constant
14 accidents.
15 MR. ALLE : We would -- and that's an
16 important reason to look at the 512 driveway as
17 well. Obviously that's going to be part of a
18 scoping meeting with Penn DOT. They're all PennDOT
19 roads from the 33 interchange. So 191 is a state
20 road and also Pen Argyl Road is a state Road.
21 MR. KLEINTOP: Just so I'm clear. \,·ill
22 you use the Stockertown exit or the Belfast exit?
23 Because if you use Belfast. you will probably be
24 coming across Belfast Road to get on I91. which is
25 problematic. more problematic than getting off at
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1 Stockertown. What's your plan. to get off and on at
2 Stockertown?
3 MR. GOODRICH: I think I can answer
4 that. Part of the evaluation and analysis that
5 we're contracting with the traffic expert would be
6 to evaluate and assess the various routes and which
7 route would be most beneficial. safest. et cetera.
8 and that's also why \'·e're evaluating the 512
9 entrance or exit as well. to determine \,·hether or
10 not that would. in fact. be a better or more
II plausible access point.
12 But in order to conform with the
13 requirements of your zoning ordinance as directed.
14 and we've taken your comments into consideration. we
15 are having that evaluated and we have now placed an
16 entrance point on the -- in conforming with your
17 ordinance.
18 MR. KLEINTOP: So you would be coming
19 in Pen Argyl Road and making a left turn off Pen
20 Argyl Road into the Evergreen Cemetery -- let's not
21 say cemetery. you know. where the scale is?
22 MR. GOODRICH: Potentially. 1don't
23 want to really give you a hard yes that that's
24 definitely the route. Again. that \ ould be
25 something we would rely on our traffic expert to
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I tell us what's safest and what's the best and how it
2 would best serve the community.
3 MR. KLEfNTOP: I just wanted to make
4 sure I get a general idea.
5 MR. GOODRICH: That would be part of
6 our ongoing submission, but that change would be
7 made when we make our submission, sir.
8 MR. KLEI TOP: Then you would be
9 traveling down to the facility on your access road
10 as it exists now, down to your plant. Your trucks
II would tum around down there, come back up your
\2 access road and exit the Grand Central property --
13 MR. ALLE 0, no, they would come in
14 and use this new proposed driveway. They do
15 need -- trucks do need to visit the facility first
16 and then go to the scale using the internal access
17 road and then return back to the facil ity again
18 because they're using that scale.
19 But that's someth ing we can, you know,
20 discuss and present in more detail. I think that
21 would probably be appropriate when we
22 get -- facilitate some feedback from Penn DOT on the
23 driveway and basically truck routes, which we're
24 concerned with.
25 MR. KLEINTOP: Well, after they've
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I unloaded, are you leaving down at the plant? Are
2 you exiting onto Pen Argyl Road, or are your turning
3 around and coming back up to the scales?
4 MR. ALLE : Coming back to the
5 facility. They have to come back to the facility
6 because they don't hold empty weights of the trucks.
7 They need to return back to the Slate Belt Heat
8 Recovery Center.
9 MR. KLEI TOP: Okay.
10 MR. ALLE : So that was the third
II variance highlighted in the zoning officer's review
12 letter. The fourth is the 50-foot setback from a
13 lake, stream, river or pond.
14 We're going to be revising the plan to
15 change the construction of the sediment basin
16 modifications. We're also going to include more
17 detail on the operation, inspection and maintenance
18 of the sedimentation basin.
19 Right now it is -- we do have an E&S
20 plan in our land development set. I will note that
21 some deficiencies were noted in conversations with
22 DEP. I think that's consistent with the Hanover
23 Engineering review letter. that we need to put in
24 information in regards to access for maintenance.
25 We need to put in clean-out stake
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I elevations. so. hey. sediment is deposited and need
2 to be removed. We need to highlight staging areas
3 for that material that is removed. And. quite
4 frankly. one of the other items is. there's also a
5 sediment tract located here. That will be provided
6 in more detail. because right now that is not. That
7 facility is not.
8 We are also -- we also had some
9 conversation in regards to the industrial POES
10 permit with OEP ortheast Regional Office. and they
II are tentatively looking at us having additional
12 monitoring points. So someway so we can monitor the
13 runoff from the Slate Belt Heat Recovery Center.
14 which was originally contemplated and shown on the
15 plan. but also to provide monitoring points from the
16 land fi II runoff.
17 So basically there will be additional
18 monitoring points of the swales that discharge into
19 the basin and also an internal monitoring point in
20 the basin itself.
21 So there will be additional monitor
22 requirements of OEP. That has yet to be finalized.
23 but that's some of our preliminary requirements with
24 OEP indicates that's the way things are going to go
25 with that permit.
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I So with that said, there is more on
2 monitoring. Tom Pullar. who is the project engineer
3 for the DEP permits, is here if needed. But that's
4 generally the four variances that we feel with the
5 revised plan is going to address the zoning relief
6 that was indicated.
7 MR. KLEINTOP: Is your revised plan
8 going to still require filling in part of the
9 quarry?
10 MR. ALLE : Yes. Well, modifying the
II existing sediment basin.
12 THE CHAIRMA : Just for a point of
13 information, and I know I have never addressed this,
14 but I imagine most of this audience already knows,
15 but every industry has its alphabet soup. Just a
16 little explanation. What is an E&S plan, what does
17 it stand for, and NPDES, so people who don't know,
18 at least have an idea?
19 MR. ALLE : Correct. So E&S is
20 erosion and sedimentation control. Any time you
21 move or disturb earth with any project you need to
22 have E&S controls in place. Part of the landfill's
23 erosion and sedimentation control is Sediment Basin
24 umber 2.
25 I guess the easiest way to explain the
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I sedimentation basin function is it gathers and holds I sludge trucks go there.
2 sediment latent water from the landfill during 2 [ TERESTED C[TlZE ['II take video
3 landfill development. This is a poor example, 3 for you if you want me to.
4 because it's so oversized. But typically you would 4 MR. ALLE : That would be great.
5 have routine cleaning out of the basins that could 5 THE CHA[RMAN: All right. [want to
6 involve dewatering it, getting in, removing, you 6 keep moving because we got a lot of things. I don't
7 know, deposited silt at the end of the basin. You 7 want to spend too much time on questions here. We
8 know, you typically have them for construction sites 8 have other issues.
9 which you may have or may not have seen. 9 MR. LA YMA : ['II be very short,
10 The NPDES permit, there's various 10 Mr. Levits. I'm sure we'll have a lot more
II PDES permits, but it's a non-point II questions when we actually see the plans. but just
12 discharge -- it's a permit for discharging water. 12 real quick question, [ understand the proposal is
13 So basically there is one associated with 13 for the trucks to come up from the south on 191,
14 construction activities and also ones with 14 it's not to come through Pen Argyl Borough on Pen
15 industrial activities. IS Argyl Road?
16 We are modifying the existing permit 16 MR. ALLE : That's correct.
17 for the landfill for the modifications to the 17 MR. LAYMA : Just because it does
18 sediment basin, and we're also applying for a new 18 involve and could have an impact with Pen Argyl,
19 industrial NPDES permit associated with the Slate 19 when you have the scoping meeting with
20 Belt Heat Recovery Center. 20 Penn DOT -- I'm sorry -- yeah, with Penn DOT, would
21 THE CHA[RMA : Anybody on the board 21 there be any problem with not only the township
22 have any other questions? Any quick questions from 22 being invited, but the borough being invited?
23 the audience? Real quick, please. I'll start here. 23 MR. ALLE : I would think it be
24 INTERESTED C[T[ZEN: Won't traffic 24 appropriate for the borough to be in attendance.
25 back up with trucks on Pen Argyl Road with that 25 The borough is -- you know, their jurisdiction is
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plan? I across the street, so [ think that's customary.
2 MR. ALLEN: The traffic generation is 2 MR. LAYMAN: [just wanted to make
3 pretty low for the facility. It's not -- it's not a 3 sure that we had a seat at the table. Thank you.
4 high traffic use. It actually would meet the 4 THE CHA[RMA : [had other hands over
5 definition -- 5 here.
6 [ TERESTED C[T[ZE : [disagree, 6 [ TERESTED C[TlZE : Quick question.
7 because [ travel that every day and [ see a number 7 Do you still need to cross the path? [n other
8 of sludge trucks already at 8 o'clock in the 8 words, will you only be using the one entrance or do
9 morning. So if you open at 6 o'clock in the 9 you need to use the recreational trail to get
10 morning, how many trucks will you be servicing an 10 around?
II hour and how could they not back up, because they're I I MR. ALLE : [fthe question was, was
12 currently backing up on 512 every day? 12 the trail ever restored?
13 MR. ALLE : And that's a great 13 INTERESTED CITIZE 0 no, if you go
14 question. [should have clarified this is just for 14 to the entrance that you showed, second
15 the Slate Belt Heat Recovery Center. [t will not be 15 entrance/exit, will you need to still use the
16 for the landfill trucks. 16 recreation, the township property that goes across
17 [ TERESTED C[T[ZEN: [understand 17 the northwest side of the plant?
18 that. So these are the sludge carrying trucks. 18 MR. ALLE o. We would still be
19 MR.ALLE : Correct. Sothere's 19 using it -- th is portion of the road for truck
20 only -- 20 movements just because it's available. But
21 [NTERESTED C[T[ZE : [see at least 21 hypothetically, if the trail was restored on the
22 four or five when [ go through there every day. So 22 township property, no, truck movements could occur
23 maybe all that sludge traffic is early morning 23 internally and then just use this driveway solely.
24 coming to the landfill currently. 24 Again, assuming this is restored to a pedestrian
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I INTERESTED CITIZEN: Would the energy I INTERESTED CITIZE : Well, the
2 center have to be shut down at that point') 2 accidents is one thing and the conditions of the
3 MR. ALLEI : I wouldn't see \\-hy it 3 roads, they haven't been traveling these roads for a
4 would need to be shut down_ 4 long time, to go to the dump. They've been going
5 THE CHAIRMAN: Ma'am. 5 512 the other way. The roads used to be in terrible
6 TERESTED CITIZEI : First of all. I 6 condition when the trucks were along these roads
7 would like to comment about the number of accidents 7 constantly. They were just tore up. And you you'd
8 that happened on 191 in Stockertown coming all the 8 have gullies in them because they use those roads
9 way up through Pen Argyl Road. turns off into Pen 9 all the time. So those are big issues besides the
10 Argyl at the comer and all the way into Delabole 10 dump.
1 I Road. motorcycles. cars. accidents. II THE CHAIRMA : Understood. And that's
J2 I live off that road and I can't tell 12 PennDOT and there will be a meeting. I hate to do
13 you how many times that they have to divert the 13 this. I do want everybody to speak. It was my
J 4 traffic from off all the other roads up and down 14 fault for going this path a little bit. We have a
15 from Belfast Road. When you come from Stockertown. 15 lot of other things to cover. We only have until 10
16 up 191 as you come up through. you get to where 191 16 o'clock.
I 7 goes into Bangor. 17 MR. GOODRlCH: Mr. Chairman, can I
18 The accidents there before that 18 just briefly address that, Ms. Beam's question?
19 intersection where Pen Argyl Road goes off over the 19 Just to the extent I believe those issues are going
20 years there's been dozens and dozens of bad 20 to be addressed in the analysis evaluation of our
21 accidents up at the grove right \"here Kesslerville 21 traffic expert.
22 Road goes off. motorcycles flying at 100 miles an 22 So those will be submitted moving
23 hour. the trucks. the cars flying. accidents. 23 forward to balance those safety issues that you've
24 Half the time the fence at the grove 24 raised at taking that route as opposed to the
25 is destroyed because of all the accidents. You go 25 current existing entrance.
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I into Pen Argyl Road at Delabole. people have been I MS. DI GLE: I have a question.
2 killed at that intersection. That's why they have 2 MR. GOODRlCH: Yes, ma'am.
3 the I O-foot stop signs. 3 MS.DI GLE: The traffic analysis, I
4 It's a lot of traffic. A lot of bad 4 know they studied and put out their counts and all
5 places. And you're going to have these trucks 5 of that stuff, but will they do an analysis of
6 coming up through. It's a concern. because 6 historical accidents at those intersections')
7 of -- just bad places. I don't know why. it just 7 MR. GOODRICH: I believe that would be
8 seems like we have a lot of accidents. I'm sure the 8 part of the report that they wou Id do an historical
9 people that live here know that and see it. We hear 9 analysis of accidents.
10 the sirens going. 10 MS. DINGLE: They are very windy,
II The other issue is that they II hilly and snow drifting.
12 haven't -- 12 MR. GOODRICH: Yes, I live in the
13 THE CHAIRMAI : Ma'am. I don't mean to 13 Slate Belt and I'm familiar with that.
14 cut you off. I need your name for the record. 14 MS. DINGLE: There's a lot of school
15 TERESTED CITIZEN: Millie Beam. 6299 15 bus routes.
16 Hower Road. Pen Argyl. 16 MR. GOODRICH: They would be
17 THE CHAIRMA : This is really -- [ 17 addressing those issues and looking at those issues
18 said brief. That's my fault maybe for letting this 18 for both safety traffic flow and ease of use for
19 happen or is my fault for lelling this happen. but I 19 both locations.
20 needed brevity. because we have other things. This 20 THE CHAIRMA : Okay. Is there
21 is only preliminary. You'll have plenty of time in 21 anything else you wanted to present real quick?
22 the future to make these exact comments on the 22 MR. ALLE o.
23 record directly addressing these issues when they 23 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. What I want to
24 make the full submission. All of this stuff is 24 do now is actually go back to the last meeting, and
25 going to be in the future. this application. 25 I cut off the last presenter who really didn't have

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time and I forget your name. Tracy Carluccio. I and that indicates that the regrading of the
2 INTERESTED CITIZEN: Yes. Thank you. 2 existing water body is going to change from its
3 THE CHAIRMAN: And pick up where you 3 present configuration.
4 left off. Tracy. 4 We assume that's going to be by the
5 I TERESTED CITIlEN: I'm deputy 5 placement offill, but there hasn't been a lot of
6 director of the Delaware River Keeper etwork and 6 discussion of how that will be done.
7 I'm representing our members in the region here. 7 So our consultant did look at
8 I'm going to be submitting on the 8 historical documents and saw that it would require
9 record a letter that has been prepared by a 9 substantial refiguring of that substantial water
10 professional engineer that we engaged to look at the 10 body. So our concerns are really related to that
II issue of water body. The existing water body. which 1I and also to the wastewater.
12 is in the form of a quarry. is being planned to be 12 [ guess our flrst question, and then
13 modified as part of the project as a sediment basin. 13 I'll go quickly through our others is, will the
14 And the conclusion of the engineer is 14 applicant be providing a 100-foot buffer?
15 that it does meet the definition of a water body. I 15 MR. HECHT: We haven't had a chance to
16 brought this up at the last meeting briefly. But I 16 even look at your letter.
17 did want to put on the record. I brought II copies. 17 INTERESTED CITIZE In your plans,
18 so I think there should be enough. 18 are you going to be providing a 100-foot buffer?
19 And I'll send in an electronic copy as 19 Are you going to complying with the township's
20 well. 20 100-foot buffer ordinances?
21 MR. GOODRICH: We would obviously. you 21 MR. GOODRICH: We are in compliance
22 know. request a copy of whatever is being provided 22 with the township's zoning ordinances. I would like
23 to the board. 23 at very least the opportunity to review the report
24 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. 24 and the author is obviously not here, so I would
25 MR. GOODRICH: I don't know who the 25 like the opportunity to review this before we start
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I engineer is or to what extent the proposal has been I answering questions about it.
2 written. There is no record for purposes of the 2 MR. BACKE STOE: Well, 1mean, she has
3 planning commission, so this person has not been 3 a right to ask these questions.
4 provided as an expert here to testify or anything of 4 MR. GOODRlCH: She certainly may
5 that nature. I just want to make that clear and I'd 5 comment.
6 also ask for a copy. 6 MR. BACKE STOE: We would hope that
7 INTERESTED CITIZEN: Also, the 7 the applicant can answer those questions. If the
8 engineer states that -- the engineer's opinion is it 8 applicant is telling you they simply can't do it
9 also meets the definition of a watercourse in 9 tonight, you don't have a choice but to let them
10 Plainfield Township's subdivision and land 10 defer and answer that at a later date.
II development ordinance. 11 THE CHAIRMA : Okay.
12 So correspondingly, the proposed site 12 INTERESTED CITIZE : 1have follow-up
13 improvements must meet the requirements of the 13 questions related to that.
14 township's specifically Chapter 22, repairing 14 MR. BACKE STOE: Yes, please.
15 wetland buffers. 15 INTERESTED CITllE : So the drainage
16 So our concern that we brought up last 16 plan does not indicate the current water body
17 time is that the repairing wetland buffers says 17 surface elevation. Do you have that elevation and
18 that -- requirement says that 100 feet from the top 18 can you prov,ide it?
19 of the stream bank of a watercourse is to be 19 MR. GOODRICH: It's not noted on the
20 required, and that is not required in the 20 plan?
21 application. It has not been submitted in the 21 I TERESTED CITIlE : The current
22 application. 22 surface water elevation, can you provide that then
23 And also the drainage plan shows that 23 or tell us where it is in the plans?
24 there is a plan to fill in part of that sediment 24 MR. ALLE : I believe on sheet C7.
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I looking that up, do you want me to go forward? I application to Pennsylvania DEP as well.
2 THE CHAIRMA : Yes. 2 Where does the existing storm sewer
3 TERESTED CITIZEI : What is the 3 system and the access drive discharge to?
4 proposed fill material and the process to create the 4 And we would just like to note that
5 proposed final grades? There's no discussion of 5 there is no true known discharge sediment basin as
6 that in the application. 6 it has been discussed as a no-discharge sediment
7 MR. GOODRICH: I apologize. I'm 7 basin. The township ordinance does require an
8 trying to read this for the first time. 8 emergency outfall. emergency spillway. and also an
9 INTERESTED CITIZEN: You want me to go 9 outfall. and there is an outfall. of course.
10 through-- 10 identified on the PDES application. There's a
II MR. GOODRICH: If you have comments. I I statement that it does not discharge to the surface.
12 you can certainly note it and I'll respond. 12 then where does it discharge to?
13 INTERESTED CITIZE : Will the water 13 I would like to know if you've
14 body be pumped to place the fill? And ifso. will 14 resubmitted your revised plans to the Lehigh Valley
15 the water be tested? Will the sediments be tested? 15 Planning Commission after you received the
16 Where will the water be pumped to? Is it going to 16 inconsistency determination with the Act 167
17 require regular pumping and monitoring? 17 stormwater management ordinance from the director of
18 MR. GOODRICH: Can you slow down a 18 environmental planning?
19 little bit? I'm trying to write them down as you're 19 Also. have you submitted all required
20 going. 20 stormwater calculations to the state? Because
21 TERESTED CITIZE : To keep the water 21 they'll be very important in terms of analyzing the
22 level where you want it. will the former quarry pond 22 pond impacts in terms of the township ordinance as
23 have to be regularly pumped or continuously pumped? 23 well.
24 And if so. where would the water go to? 24 We have great concerns that the water
25 And what would be any sort of water 25 quality and quantity impacts of storm water from the
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I quality or quantity monitoring of that water? I changes that are going to be made and the use of the
2 And has the effect of the pumping of 2 stormwater basin are going to have negative impacts
3 groundwater on -- from the -- I'm sorry, from the 3 on the high quality stream of the Little Bushkill
4 pond on groundwater and the base flow to the Little 4 Creek, of the groundwater for the region and
5 Bushkill Creek been analyzed at all? 5 possibly even Waltz Creek, which is located not that
6 1saw that there was some discussion 6 far away.
7 of that in the letter that the engineer did, but 1 7 ow, we did have some questions
8 didn't see any definitive answer about a groundwater 8 related to wastewater that was not what was
9 study that shows what the impacts would be on the 9 submitted here tonight as one of the issues that
IO Little Bushkill Creek and groundwater possibly on 10 they're addressing. Shou ld I put them on the record
II the Waltz Creek as well. II or--
12 We're wondering how will the sediment 12 THE CHAIRMA : When you say
13 be handled during the placement of the fill, the 13 wastewater, domestic wastewater?
14 sediment that's already in the pond? 14 fNTERESTED CITIZEN: 0, no, the water
15 And are you going to be seeking a 15 that they're going be to hauling away.
16 Pennsylvania DEP permit for the filling in of the 16 THE CHAIRMA : The vice-chairman and I
17 pond since it is a water body and it's going to be 17 made a suggestion, and I agree, it would be nice if
18 modified? 18 you would submit all these questions in writing to
\9 Is there any proposal to change the 19 the township office, and then we can distribute it
20 water surface elevation permanently? And if so, can 20 to the applicant. to all the members, so we could
21 you please provide the proposed water surface 21 all see instead of trying to remember this. So, I
22 elevation that you're planning to maintain? 22 mean, how many questions are there?
We also would like to know if the fill I TERESTED CITIZE I just really
24 is going to be above the surface water elevation? 24 have one long question related to that and one short
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THE CHA[RMAN: These are very good and I opportunity to finish my questions. I appreciate
2 valid and good questions. 2 it.
3 INTERESTED C[TIZEN: We didn't see the 3 MR. GOODRICH: To the extent that, you
4 truck wash area located on the plot. so that's a 4 know, that they're provided in writing and we could
5 simple one. I would like to know exactly where that 5 address them under the terms of the ordinance,
6 is. And. you know, mainly -- mainly our concern is 6 obviously we will.
7 related to the lack of the development of a plan for 7 MR. SIMPSON: You're not prepared to
8 the wastewater that would be backhauled. so our 8 answer tonight?
9 questions. and I'll submit them all. are long 9 MR. HECHT: We can answer some of
10 questions really related to what kind of research 10 them. I don't know if that would be helpful. What
II has been done in ew York. ew Jersey. Connecticut. II would be helpful to us if you can provide those
12 whatever states would be sending sludge to the 12 questions.
13 facility of their existing regulations to find out. 13 fNTERESTED CITIZEN: [fwhat?
14 is there going to be. you know. modifications of the 14 MR. HECHT: You can provide the
15 permits of treatment of wastewater treatment plants 15 questions sooner or later, because we are doing our
16 in order to take wastewater back. how are they going 16 revisions. If there's something in there that you
17 be to guaranteeing that the same constituents are in 17 would like to address, we can take them into
18 the wastewater -- in the sludge as they have sent 18 account.
19 down. 19 INTERESTED CITIZEN: Sure.
20 This is all relevant to the ational 20 MR. HECHT: Some of them we can answer
21 Pollution Discharge Elimination System or NPDES 21 those questions now.
22 permits that are required by these various state 22 THE CHAIRMAN: No, I don't want you to
23 agencies for the wastewater treatment plants that 23 answer. We have other things to get through. I cut
24 will presumably be sending the sludge to the plant. 24 her off short at the last meeting. I wanted her to
25 So we're concerned that there is very 25 have an opportunity to fmish. We need to get into
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I little detail on this. We think this is a huge [ the zoning review. If there's any time left to get
2 issue. We think that it's going to be very 2 back to the other public comment on top of that yet
3 difficult. and after the meeting last week -- last 3 tonight--
4 month. whenever that was. I guess it was in June. it 4 MS. DINGLE: Well. one comment.
5 was -- I was told that New York State has said that 5 though. currently. you are not -- you're not
6 they do not think that they would allow this 6 recognizing that basin as a regulated water body.
7 wastewater to be returned to their wastewater 7 correct. so you're not doing any PA DEP 105 permit')
8 treatment plants at all. 8 That's the biggest issue. I think.
9 So has there been any answer from the 9 INTERESTED CITIZEN: Exactly.
10 New Jersey plants? There has been a discussion made [0 MS. D[NGLE: That's a straightforward
II about the two facilities that would be accepting the II answer. you know. that right now, you know. how
12 Passaic Valley Wastewater Treatment Plant and the 12 that's going to be addressed on your plans.
13 Parsippany Troy Hills Wastewater Treatment Plant. 13 MR. PULLAR: Tom Pullar. senior
14 but has there been an analysis of what their 14 project manager for EarthRes. Working on the
15 capacity is and whether or not they would have to 15 application. working with Dave. more on the DEP
16 modify their permit? 16 pennitting. NPDES. the solid waste pennitting. the
17 I mean. all of these are really big 17 sediment basin 2. it's an existing stonnwater
18 questions that we feel are woefully missing from the 18 management design. stormwater management sediment
19 infonnation that's been provided so far and we feel 19 basin for Grand Central. It used to be the Doney II
20 that it's essential to the environmental impact 20 Quarry. [t was closed and then modified as part of
21 requirement. Thank you very much. I'll send them 21 the Grand Central Sanitary Landfill permit.
22 in writing. 22 MS. D[ GLE: Have you had a
23 THE CHA[RMAN: Again. if you submit 23 jurisdictional determination?
24 them in writing. we would really appreciate that. 24 MR. PULLAR: I'm sorry.
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I jurisdictional termination of that? I from just the Slate Belt portion of this facility
2 MR. PULLAR: For out here? There are 2 going into sedimentation basin 2. So that's the
3 wetlands on the site. We have not done any in the 3 NPDES permit that was applied for. It is an
4 basin. It's an existing sedimentation basin while 4 individual permit for industrial storm water runoff
5 it's regulated by DEP. It's exempt from the Chapter 5 from industrial activities.
6 105 regulations because it is a sedimentation basin 6 Part of that was addressing the
7 and the sedimentation basin design was approved by 7 stormwater run off and also the containment for
8 DEP waste management, again, as part of the Grand 8 unloading areas, the containment for the wastewater
9 Central Sanitary Landfill. So it is an existing -- 9 storage tank and how that's managed. So that's all
10 MS. DI GLE: We need something from to part of that application.
II DEP stating that. II MS. DI GLE: Have you done any studies
12 MR. PULLAR: Yes, we will-- 12 to determine where the water does go? I mean,
13 MS. Dl GLE: Based on the waterway, do 13 you're saying it doesn't infiltrate?
14 you guys have that permission to hydrologically 14 MR. PULLAR: No, no, we're saying it
15 connect to surface water or groundwater, to other 15 is a zero -- does not discharge surface water.
16 water? It should be regulated as such. 16 MS. DJ GLE: So when you have a
17 MR. PULLAR: Again. it's regulated as 17 groundwater connection in a high quality watershed
18 a -- under -- it's exempt from 105 permitting. It 18 to Little Bushkill or Waltz Creek or to the public
19 wi II be covered under the perm it appl ication that 19 water supply, a lot of us are on wells, what kind of
20 was submitted to DEP for Grand Central, because it's 20 analysis have you done to know what infiltration
21 part of their storm water management facility. So 21 rate you have from that basin and what is going to
22 that application has been submitted to DEP. It's a 22 be put in?
23 minor mod to their application. 23 MR. PULLAR: We have done an analysis
24 We have talked to DEP waste management 24 of whether it would discharge or not. There's
25 about that. We have talked to the clean water 25 monitoring of groundwater associated with Grand
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I program about the NPDES permits, because it's in I Central. There's monitoring the surface water at
2 conjunction with the NPDES for the Slate Belt 2 Grand Central.
3 facility as well as since it overlays on the Grand 3 MS. DI GLE: Monitoring in what
4 Central property, the NPDES permit for Grand 4 capacity? Water quality? Have you done any
5 Central. So we have talked to them about that and 5 modeling? Do you understand the groundwater
6 this is the direction that we've been given. 6 discharge from that basin?
7 It is exempt from the 105 regulations. 7 MR. PULLAR: I don't believe we've
8 It's covered under the solid waste perm it and that's
8 done any specific modeling from where that
9 basically how the permitting goes. 9 groundwater goes. We have evaluated the
10 The basin -- the quarry that was there 10 groundwater. I mean, that's done basically on a
II was modified to the basin design that's there now. I I quarterly basis, evaluating groundwater contours,
12 It was filled in. It was filled in with onsite 12 where it goes in the site to make sure that the
13 material. 13 monitoring program is, you know -- is, in fact,
14 MS. DI GLE: J know, but less actively 14 monitoring groundwater correctly.
15 managed. A water basin, a lot of times they are 15 So that is something that we've
16 regulated as a water body. And this that you 16 actually talked to DEP about, and I'm part of the
17 submitted has not maintained or managed really. It 17 monitoring program that's going to come out of this
18 was left amuck and it is now functioning probably as
18 permit, will be monitoring for the landfill runoff
19 a well or water body. 19 going into the basin, the mon itoring of the Green
20 But that aside, are you also doing an 20 Knights discharge basin and the monitoring of the
21 anti-degradation for the PDES permit? 21 runoff from the Slate Belt facility.
22 MR. PULLAR: We submitted that 22 So there will be independent surface
23 application to DEP. We're waiting to hear back. We 23 water monitoring of what's going into the basin.
24 comply with their requirements. But the PDES 24 And that's pretty much -- we don't know -- we're
25 permit for Slate Belt was submitted for the runoff 25 working on the specifics. J don't have those

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2 detennined and it's too early in the process.
3 MR. KLEINTOP: Do you have a letter on
4 DEP letterhead stating that you are exempt from a
5 105 permit') Because if you have that. I would like
6 to see that sooner rather than later.
7 MR. PULLAR: That is something that we
8 will try to get. I do not have a specific letter on
9 that. It's just been in our discussions with the
10 department. We've had discussions. We've told
I 1 them. you know. what was proposed and \\'e are
12 following the direction we were given. So that is
13 something that we will work together --
14 MR. KLE TOP: That is a quarry hooked
15 up into the aquifers to the groundwater. It would
16 be amazing to me that DEP would be foolish enough to
17 put their signature on such a letter.
18 MR. PULLAR: We'll -- we're working
19 with the department right now.
20 MS. DINGLE: As you know. there's
21 divisions in DEP. It sounds like you're going more
22 through the industrial and sediment basin and
23 You need to talk to the wetland biologist in the 105
24 chapter to determine if that's a regulated area.
25 MR. PULLAR: We've talked to the
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1 MR. GOODRlCH: Right. Part of the
2 permitting process is --
3 MR. PULLAR: Right, there will be a
4 public hearing that you can express these concerns
5 directly to DEP. You can submit testimony, written
6 testimony and the letters -- I'm sorry, those
7 questions, letters, we would be glad to answer, but
8 you can also submit them to DEP.
9 INTERESTED CITIZE We need those
10 answers now.
11 MR. PULLAR: We'll get you as many as
12 we can.
13 MR. KLEI TOP: Your discharge as it's
14 shown on your current plan, I know it's going to
15 change. But at least as I understand it, your
16 discharge as I understand is currently headed for
17 the Waltz, rather than the Little Bushkill. ot
18 that I don't have concerns about the water table in
19 the Little Bushkill as well, but your discharge, as
20 it's proposed, is going across Pen Argyl Road into
21 the Waltz.
PDES. 22 MR. PULLAR: There's really -- do you
23 have the pointer? It's difficult to see on this
24 plan. Most of the site -- can you hear me if I
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I regional director and the damage to waterways was in
2 our pre-application meeting. So that included all
3 the programs in the region. [t was air. water.
4 waste. waterways. storage tanks. They were all at
5 that meeting. so they were initially involved.
6 And we've also subsequently had
7 corre pondence relative to that. as to whether it's
8 confinning if we need that pennit. If we need the
9 pennit. that's something that we would want to get.
10 We've been told that it's exempt.
II because it's -- while it's regulated. it's exempt
12 from 105 pennitting and that's through the dams and
13 waterways program.
14 MS. DINGLE: I think we need that in
15 writing as part of the application.
16 MR. PULLAR: I understand.
17 MR. HECHT: There is going to be a
18 public hearing at DEP where citizens and electeds
19 can come in and ask questions on how they're
20 regulating and what their rationale is for how
21 they're regulating.
22 TERESTED CITIZEN: I can't hear what
23 he said.
24 THE CHAIRMA : Basically the statement
25 was. they'll have a public hearing with DEP.
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I landfill drain into the basin this way and also over
2 land flow this way.
3 The majority of this site. basically
4 this area. will go into the basin. There's a small
5 portion of the property along the entrance road and
6 basically areas where there's really not
7 much -- there's really no industrial activity.
8 There is the driveway. This will drain into the
9 Waltz Creek watershed.
10 It's basically sheet flow. It's from
I I this property. and it's a non-point source. It's
12 something that we've talked to DEP about. They'll
13 make a determination on whether monitoring is
14 required.
15 There's a portion over here that
16 drains to this ditch in front of the Green Knights
17 facility. That is part of -- there is a
18 sedimentation basin here. which has an PDES outfall
19 for Grand Central. There is a surface monitoring
20 point in this stream that is monitored. I believe.
21 on a quarterly basis. And that goes down and does
22 connect to -- this i an unnamed tributary of the
23 Little Bushkill Creek. which goes down that way.
24 Those are basically the components of
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I Along with that, what we're going to I water by DEP's definitions. but it is exempt from
2 establish, I think I talked about it before, but 2 the dams and waterways regulations. It will be
3 just to show you on the plan, we're proposing -- 3 permitted as part of the sedimentation basin erosion
4 and, again, this isn't finalized, but it's 4 and sedimentation control under the wastewater
5 discussions with DEP, preliminarily discussing a 5 program as it is now.
6 monitoring point here for surface ,vater going into 6 MR. PETR CCI: Yes. but our township
7 the basin. There would be outfall 00 I for Slate 7 zoning ordinance defines -- requires an open space
8 Belt, which would be at this point, which is after 8 buffer of 50 feet between a watercourse. So if it's
9 the surface runoff goes through a vegetative swale 9 a body water. the 50-foot buffer would still apply.
10 and would be monitored at that point. And then 10 MR. P LLAR: Again. it is a
11 there would be a separate inlet that would be II sedimentation basin. It's a non-discharging
12 monitored for the Green Knight facility. 12 engineered designed structure so --
13 So three contributory sources to the 13 MR. PETRUCCI: You're saying it is a
14 basin for surface water would be monitored before it 14 regulated body of water --
15 gets into that basin. ~5 MR. PULLAR: Regulated by DEP. This
16 And then there's containment provided 16 is basically what -- you know. what we would go back
17 for this area, the unloading area, and this area 17 in with the revised plans.
18 which is the product loading area. And there's 18 THE CHAIRMA : All right.
19 containment provided around the wastewater storage 19 Mr. PETRUCCI: The township would need
20 tank, which is just a secondary containment in case 20 the opportunity to review the revised plan
21 there's a leak in the tank. 2\ obviously.
22 That water is generally clean. It 22 MR. GOODRICH: Absolutely.
23 would be tested. If it proves to be clean, it could 23 MR. PULLAR: Absolutely.
24 be released under the permit when it's issued. If 24 MR. PETR CCI: We're not going to
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I wastewater and taken off site. 1 MR. GOODRICH: Oh. no. And we're not
2 Those are basically where the surface 2 asking you to determine it.
3 water is -- how it's managed at the site and how it 3 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm going it segue this
4 will be monitored. 4 into the next step here. which. again. is your our
5 THE CHAIRMA : Okay. Anything else 5 township administrator to highlight some of the
6 for an overview right now? 6 zoning review letters from March 20th. 2018. We
7 MR. PULLAR: That's it. There was a 7 have yet to even touch on this at a public meeting.
8 lot there. We'll get you the information as soon as 8 and tom is going to hit the high points right now.
9 we get -- 9 correct? It is 39 pages long. We're supposed to be
10 THE CHAIRMA : Our administrator has a 10 out of here in about 15 minutes.
1I quick question. II I see one of the firemen over there
12 MR. PETR CCl: How do the revised plan 12 staring me down. because he doesn't want to be here
13 specifically address 27-505 Development Along Water 13 any longer than he has to be and I don't blame him.
14 Bodies in the zoning ordinance? Can you show on 14 So that being said. I don't think
15 there ho\\' that addresses it? 15 we're going to get to the public tonight. I wish we
16 MR. P LLAR: Is that the repairing 16 were. But -- so we had a full agenda. Again. we're
17 buffer? 17 nowhere near the finish line on this project. so
18 MR. PETR CCI: That's the 50-foot open 18 there's going to be ample time. There's going to
J 9 space requirement between any bodies of water and 19 DE? meetings. and who knows how many other meetings
20 water courses. 20 and applications will have to be submitted. At this
21 MR. PULLAR: Again. \ve're saying it's 21 point. Tom. do you want to take over?
22 a sedimentation basin. 22 MR. PETRUCCI: I'll provide a brief
23 MR. PETRUCCI: But it's a regulated 23 overview.
24 body of water. 24 The proposed facility falls under a
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27-202 of the zoning ordinance. So the land I Under part -- under the requirements
2 development plan show a combination of two principal 2 for the three acres with -- for a facility with a
3 uses permitted by right and their accessory uses. 3 capacity to treat or dispose up to 300 tons of solid
4 So the zoning officer is in agreement that the 4 waste, the applicant has -- the proposed lot size is
5 combination of the two principal uses and their 5 12.05 acres. And there are two uses on the lot.
6 accessory uses are permitted by right in the solid 6 So the zoning officer is asking the
7 waste processing and disposal district on the same 7 applicant to delineate the area that is specifically
8 lot as per 27-3\9. 8 part of the Slate Belt Heat Recovery Center/Material
9 So those two uses that are 9 Separation Facility and what is identified for use
10 specifically allowed in that district with multiple 10 by the Green Knight Landfill Gas-to-Energy plant,
II uses, unlike other areas of the township's zoning II which is the Refuse Derived Fuel Facility.
12 ordinance. are the material separation facility and 12 To the applicant. Is the revised
13 the refuse derived fuel facility. 13 plans going to address that issue?
14 So the material separation facility is 14 MR. GOODRlCH: Yes.
15 a permitted-by-right use within the solid waste 15 MR. PETRUCCI: Okay. Thank you. So
16 processing and disposal district only. And there's 16 the next item identified by the zoning officer was
17 several requirements that fall under the 17 that a covenant shall be placed on the recorded land
18 permitted-by-right use as set forth in 27-316 of the 18 development plan, which limits the capacity of the
19 zoning ordinance. And there are six of them -- or 19 applicant to treat or dispose waste up to 400 tons
20 seven of them. I'm sorry. 20 of waste per day.
21 The first is. the site shall contain 21 The purpose of that request is to
22 at least three acres for any facility with a 22 eliminate any future ambiguity as to the number of
23 capacity to treat or dispose of the 300 tons of 23 tons of waste being treated or disposed in the
24 solid waste per day. The size of the site shall be 24 future. For example, a 12.05 acre lot that is
25 increased by two additional acres of land for each 25 dedicated solely to the material separation facility
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I additional capacity of 100 tons per day or fraction I use, would permit the applicant to treat or dispose
2 thereof. 2 of up to 750 tons per day.
3 Entrances and exits to the facility 3 There should not be any future
4 shall be separated and clearly designated. 4 ambiguity on the part of the township or the
5 Entrances and exits shall be at least 30 feet in 5 applicant with respect to how many tons of waste the
6 width and shall be located along either an arterial 6 applicant wishes to treat or dispose per day or now
7 or collector road. 7 in the future.
8 All access roads shall be paved. 8 Is the applicant going to comply with
9 Measures and procedures to prevent and 9 that request or are the revised plans going to
10 minimize fire hazards shall be established and 10 address that?
II practiced at the facility. A report describing II MR. GOODRICH: Yes.
12 these procedures will be provided to the township. 12 MR. PETRUCCI: Okay. Thank you.
13 Each faci Iity shall be operated and 13 So the first variance that was
14 maintained in such a manner as to minimize health 14 identified, based on the previous plans that were
15 hazards, odor, dusts, noise, environmental IS submitted, was the fact that the exits to the
16 degradation, unsightl iness and the attraction, 16 facility are not located along either an arterial or
17 harborage or breeding insects, rodents or vectors, 17 collector road.
18 as well as to eliminate conditions which create 18 In light of the infomlation tonight,
\9 safety hazards or impose an undue burden upon the \9 you know, I believe that the township should have
20 township or its municipal services infrastructure. 20 the opportunity to review the revised plans as
21 The operation of the faci Iity shall 21 indicated previously. Since the applicant has
22 comply with all applicable state and federal 22 identified the new plans in their belief would
23 regulations. The facility shall comply with the 23 comply, so the zoning officer would just need to
24 performance standards in this chapter, which is 24 confirm that.
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I MR. PETRUCCI: Okay. Thank you.
2 The next item is the proposed
3 driveway, access roads, and loading areas are shown
4 in the plan as areas to be paved. There was one
5 that's -- you know, the zoning officer determined
6 that that was in compliance.
7 Measures and procedures to prevent and
8 minimize fire hazards shall be established and
9 practiced at the site or facility. A report
10 describing these procedures shall be provided to the
II township. The applicant has indicated that they
12 will comply with the ordinance with all applicable
13 building and fire codes, a written report
14 demonstrating facility compliance with applicable
15 codes and standards and wi II be subm itted by the
16 applicant as part of the building permit building
17 submission.
18 The reports shou ld be to the
19 satisfaction of the fire department ch ief, the
20 zoning officer, the township building code official
21 and the emergency management coordinator.
22 Is that still the intent of the
23 applicant at this point?
24 MR. GOODRICH: Yes.
25 MR. PETRUCCI: Okay. Number 5 was
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I basically the new distance provision, with respect
2 to the additional requirements. The applicant has
3 indicated that evidence of all required state and
4 federal permits required for operation and the
5 results of all required compliance reviews and
6 notifications to regulatory agencies will be
7 submitted to Plainfield Township at the time of the
8 building permit application submission.
9 So they have submitted their, as
10 indicated earlier, PA DEP permit applications.
II So the zoning officer is requesting
12 that as a condition of any future approval of this
13 proposed use and the occupancy of any proposed
14 structure associated with this use, that evidence of
IS all performance standards complied with shall be
16 provided via certification of tests by appropriate
17 government agencies or be recognized testing
18 laboratories, with the costs to be borne by the
19 applicant, pursuant to 27-410, Performance and
20 Traffic Impact Requirements.
21 Is that -- I don't believe that's been
22 addressed at the current time.
23 MR. GOODRICH: With respect the
24 to -- with respect to the testing performed and
25 reviewed by the reviewing government entities like
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2 or any of its divisions. ob iously we would be
3 providing copies if the township wishes to have
4 copies of either their approvals. or if there's
5 tests and analy es that's performed by them. to
6 allow the township to see those: i that the
7 question?
8 MR. PETR CCI: Well. I guess the
9 question is whether the planning commission is
10 looking for more information above and beyond that.
II MR. GOODRICH: Above and beyond the
12 regulations')
13 MR. PETRUCCI: Well. the zoning
14 ordinance specifically requires certification of
15 tests. So is part of your permitting -- so you're
16 saying you're performing the certification of the
17 tests currently? I guess we would need to see that
18 and review it and determine if it meets the zoning
19 ordinance.
20 MR. HECHT: Well. we'll get a permit
21 that has conditions in it. Part of the conditions
22 are our monitoring and reporting. And as we said
23 before. we're prepared to share that with the
24 to\\-nship.
25 MR. PETR CCI: Okay.
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I MR. HECHT: So, what they require,
2 we'll share with you. And as then as we comply,
3 we'll share that with you.
4 MS. 01 GLE: If I may, Tom. In
5 addition, though, the township ordinance requires
6 that we have to -- that you have to minimize health
7 hazards, odors and noise. If we feel additional
8 testing is required to understand the potential
9 health hazards, that is part of the ord inance for
10 this.
II So, yes, there may be some additional
12 requirements beyond the permits.
13 MR. HECHT: It would be helpful for us
14 to know what those are as we're designing the
15 facility. So I don't know how you --
16 MR. GOODRICH: Are you talking about
17 the section --
18 MR. HECHT: We're currently only
19 addressing what's required by state regulations.
20 MS. DI GLE: That's why we keep
21 reiterating these.
22 MR. HECHT: We would need to know what
23 they are.
24 MR. KLEINTOP: Are you considering an
25 environmental impact study?
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I MR. HECHT: No. Unless the state I THE CHAIRMA It's 10 o'clock. We
2 requires it, no, we're not. 2 can't go past 10 o'clock. Do you want to discuss
3 INTERESTED CITIZE o. you're not 3 the next planning commission meeting. We have to
4 requiring it? It's mandatory. 4 come up with a schedule. We'll have to table this.
5 MR. HECHT: If it's mandatory, then 5 MR. BACKENSTOE: We can't -- you will
6 we'll do it. But we don't believe right now the 6 have to pick a new date.
7 state requires it. 7 THE CHAIRMA : It's 10 o'clock or a
8 INTERESTED CITIZE : Then you're in 8 little past 10 o'clock already. So what we're going
9 violation of the Environmental Justice Act. 9 to have to do is table this for tonight, and then
10 MR. PETRUCCI: I'm only on the first 10 just our attorney won't be available at our next
II section. II regular scheduled meeting, so we'll have to look at
12 I TERESTED CITIZE : Can I have a list 12 an alternative date for the next meeting.
13 of the local ordinances spelling out what tests are 13 MR. BACKE STOE: You can have your
14 needed? I would suggest that they get a letter 14 regular meeting and have your associate there, but I
15 format saying that A, B, C, D, E. 15 want to be there the next time Synagro comes back.
16 MS. DINGLE: At this point we have 16 THE CHAIRMA : Can I get a motion to
17 other consultants that are working on that, because, 17 table the Synagro application for tonight?
18 again, the ordinances aren't specific because we 18 MR. SIMPSO : I make that motion.
19 don't know what kind of developments or projects 19 THE CHAIRMAN: Do I have a second?
20 we're going to have. 20 MS. DI GLE: Second.
21 But we do have to ensure the health of 21 THE CHAIRMA : Questions,
22 the residents through this ordinance. That is 22 comments -- one question in the audience?
23 something, I guess -- Tom, I don't know if that's 23 INTERESTED CITIZE : Is there any way
24 something that some of our expert consultants can 24 that you can have a meeting where the residents get
25 put together or provide. 25 more time to ask questions instead of an hour or a
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I MR. PETRUCCI: I'll have to coordinate I half an hour?
2 with them. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: As you saw what
3 MR. GOODRICH: If there are certain 3 happened here tonight, there was a lot of other
4 things that you are looking for, we would be happy 4 issues on the agenda and it was at the request of
5 to listen to the comments and see exactly what 5 the applicant to be here tonight during the regular
6 you're looking for. I don't know that we can agree 6 meeting.
7 above and beyond the required regulation testing to 7 I think the last meeting there was
8 simply allow whatever type of testing. 8 quite a bit of time for the -- for the public to
9 INTERESTED CITIZE : This company 9 make questions. And I'm not going to -- you know.
10 obviously does not care about -- 10 the public will not be ignored. You will not be
II THE CHAIRMAN: We're not going down II ignored. It's just -- it just might take more time.
12 that road, please. 12 That's alii can say.
13 MR. GOODRICH: Ifit can be listed as 13 Here we're stuck at 10 o'clock to be
14 to what sorts of testing you would be looking to 14 out. Last time we ran past. The school. we had a
15 obtain, then that would be helpful to us in making a 15 little bit more time with the school. But then the
16 representation to you. 16 school in June, you know, they're back up with all
17 THE CHAIRMAN: The testing is what the 17 their activities so we couldn't be there. The staff
18 supervisors have in the ordinance. 18 is not available in the summer. so now we have that
19 MR. GOODRlCH: To the extent that we 19 issue. So scheduling is difficult. Then trying get
20 would comply with the ordinance, we're going to 20 everybody together, you know.
21 comply with the ordinance. 21 But believe me, you're going to have
22 MR. SIMPSON: It would have to be our 22 your -- I will not ignore your requests this week
23 consultants. We'll consult our consultants and get 23 okay?
24 back to you with testing. 24 MR. KLEI TOP: I don't know who
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I it -- is it your wish to have your -- or is it your I CERTIFICATE
2 intention, I guess I should say, to have your new 2
3 plan submitted in time for the August planning 3 I do hereby certify that the
4 commission meeting? 4 aforesaid hearing was taken before me, pursuant to
5 MR. GOODRICH: We do. We intend to 5 notice, at the time and place indicated; that said
6 submit that very, very shortly. 6 witnesses were by me duly sworn to tell the truth,
7 MR. HECHT: Which raises the question. 7 and nothing but the truth; that the testimony of
8 I mean, we were targeting off -- Monday is the 20th. 8 said hearing was correctly recorded in machine
9 You say the 19th? 9 shorthand by me and thereafter transcribed under my
10 MR. BACKENSTOE: I will not be here. 10 supervision with computer-aided transcription; that
II the hearing is a true and correct record of the
II I have planned trip a year ago --
12 testimony given by the witnesses; and that I am
12 MR. HECHT: We want you to go.
13 neither of counsel nor kin to any party in said
13 MR. BACKENSTOE: I could do it the
14 action, nor interested in the outcome thereof.
14 Wednesday or Thursday the following week.
15
15 MR. HECHT: You're talking about the
16
16 28th or 29th?
17
17 THE CHAIRMAN: I think what we're 18
18 going to have to do and see if people are available, 19 Charleen A. Eyer
19 again, trying to get everybody together. I know the Registered Professional Reporter
20 following Thursday I won't be available or the 20
21 following Wednesday. 21
22 So at this point, I don't think 22
23 there's any reason to spend time discussing that 23
24 other than the fact that it's going to be an 24
25 alternative date. 25
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I MR. GOODRlCH: Tom will coordinate
2 that with us.
3 THE CHAIRMAN: I have a motion and a
4 second to table. Any questions or comments? All
5 those in favor say Aye.
6 MS. DINGLE: Aye.
7 MR. SIMPSON: Aye.
8 MR. KLEINTOP: Aye.
9 MR. BEAVAN: Abstain. One abstention.
10 THE CHAIRMAN: One abstention.
II I need a motion to adjourn.
12 MR. BEAVAN: Motion.
13 MS. DINGLE: Second.
14 THE CHAIRMAN: All those in favor say
15 Aye.
16 MS. DI GLE: Aye.
17 MR. SIMPSON: Aye.
18 MR. KLEINTOP: Aye.
19 MR. BEAVAN: Aye.
20 (Hearing adjourned at 10:02 p.m.)
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