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I am working on a materials evaluation and life cycle cost analysis for a project. I have read a fair amount of the threads
on the subject, and I have done enough research to thoroughly think myself in circles. I would like to get some opinions
regarding my current options.

Conditions:
Dry Dock Dewatering / Drainage Systems - potential for long periods of stagnation (ex. dewatering system runs roughly
once a year depending on ship maintenance timeline)
Located on a historically polluted river (lots of shipyard & industrial work).
Water Quality: no tests on file, but extrapolating from average salinity maps I am looking at a chloride concentration of
roughly 12,000 ppm.
Water temp: max summer surface temp is 86F(30C).
Max flow through the system will be around 12 fps.
Life Span: 50 years (span of the LCCA not necessarily of the systems)
Pipe sizes: 6", 8", 14", 20", 24", 54"

Materials Considered:
Cement Lined Ductile Iron (w/ or w/o cathodic protection (CP))
316L SS (w/ or w/o CP)
2205 Duplex
2507 or Zeron100 SDSS

Questions:
1.) Has anyone crunched the numbers between materials like these to get a gut feel for the best choice? I am currently
leaning towards Duplex or Super Duplex for the 24" and under and going concrete lined DI for the 54".
2.) I have read about PREN values and the issues with crevice / pitting corrosion, but is there anyway to extrapolate that
resistance to an expected service life? I am a design engineer now but was an API certified inspector in my last career, and
I know that just because you have initiated corrosion doesn't mean that the material is at the end of life. It seams like most
articles talk purely about resistance to the initiation of corrosion.
3.) In general, is going down the road of cathodic protection worth it compared to alloy selection? In other words, is it
worth while for me consider given the conditions of the project? I am leary of complicating the system and adding required
maintenance tasks that may or may not get performed.

Materials like HPDE and GRP are in the back of my mind as well, but I am not as familiar with the joining and installation
methods.

Thank you in advance.

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I am a stainless guy, but GRP sounds like a better bet to me for the smaller lines.
Lined DI for larger ones is also a good call.
With stainless once pitting initiates it will continue, there is no stopping it.
>99% of your surface may be fine, but the pits will continue until they are through the wall.
I also have to presume that over the next 40 years the salinity of the water will increase.
The only alloys that will handle this are super duplex and superaustenitic grades.

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The problem with SS is that there will be no biological control. The effects of biofouling and stagnant brackish water bode
poorly for SS.

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P.E. Metallurgy, Plymouth Tube

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The aversion to CP is correct - it will add a whole suite of design, monitoring and maintenance activities. Apart from that,
it's not of the highest reliability for internal surfaces of piping systems. There are in depth standards for GRP and HDPE
piping systems that will address joining: ISO 14692 for GRP; AWWA M55 for PE. The key will be finding designers and
installers who know what they are doing with the materials.

Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/83b/b04

All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.

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Thank you both for your responses. This has helped validate the conclusions I was starting to come to.

On another note, I have read a number of your other posts on similar topics, and I wanted to thank you both for your
commitment to a forum like this. It is a great resource.

-Aaron

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