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10/28 Meeting Minutes

a. Derek Lo: I just wanted to make a comment with a fair warning about some sensitive content. This
is regarding mental health here on campus. Last year during my first weeks here at GWU, I was
hospitalized due to suicidal thoughts and diagnosed with major depressive disorder. When I came back to
campus, I utilized the CHC and the Walk-In Counseling Center six times. Sometimes, I would have to
wait over 45 minutes due to only one councillor being present, which I think we can all agree is very
shameful. To me, it is not because they are not negligent, but there is not enough of them per say. They
have helped me through some of my darkest days. I have found that the fundamental issue is a lack of a
permanent head at the CHC. I know that Dean Petty is currently acting as interim leader of the CHC, and
I think all of us are happy to see that they have expanded the hours to Saturdays and Sundays, but, for me,
one of the biggest issues is that we still have to continue to find a permanent head. The other day, an
article was published in the Hatchet, in which Dean Petty said that she may hold off on hiring a permane
nt head until the center is something that all students can use. I understand the sentiment that she
expressed, where you would want to provide an environment where students are comfortable, but I do
think it is important that the search committee moves faster in this process. I also felt it was important to
emphasize that the expanded hours do not really apply to mental health; the walk-ins are only available
from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm on weekdays, and I have needed help on weekends. I have opened up to friends
a little too much and lost those friendships. I found that after I came back and tried to find long-term care,
I ended up having to seek help off-campus. I don’t want other students on campus to have to see the CHC
as somewhere that they should not use as a resource. I know that all of us here care about the students. I
really appreciate your time, thank you.
3. Approval of Minutes from October 7th, 2019
. Sen. Link: Point of information - Harry, did you read them?
i.Sen. Levine: Yes, they are fine.
a. The minutes are adopted.
1. Approval of the Senate Minutes from October 14th, 2019
a. Sen. Link: Point of information- Harry did you read those too?
i.Sen. Levine: I did not look through those as thoroughly, but from what I saw, I did not see any errors.
b. Sen. Link: Did anyone read through the October 14th Minutes? For shame.
c. The minutes are adopted.
d. Sen. Corsi: Point of Information - I don’t know if there are going to be issues in terms of being out
of order, but I would just like to request that Sen. Bao to remove the Soviet flag, as I think it brings shame
upon the Student Association to have a flag that represents millions of deaths. I know you probably
having the flag out there as a joke, but - not that people won’t understand your sense of humor - I think
you are just being satirical, I don’t know. I think that you should probably consider taking it down. I don’t
care if you want the Chinese flag - go for it. I’m just saying that the Soviet flag, I don’t really understand
why you have that displayed.
.Sen. Bao: This is not the Soviet flag; this is the flag of the Communist Party of China. Therefore, I reject
your proposal that I remove it.
e. Sen. Corsi: Point of information for the EVP - are we able to vote on him being out of order for the
display of the Soviet flag, or how does that work?
.Sen. Bao: Just to clarify, this is not a Soviet flag.
1. Sen. Corsi: I understand what you are trying to disperse it as, you can
claim it to be whatever you want. But, am I able to vote - do I get to do a
motion and then people can vote that down or forward?
a. EVP Martin: I guess, theoretically, you could forward a motion.
i.Sen. Corsi: Does anybody want to second that?
1. Sen. Kahn: Seconded.
i.EVP Martin: Can I get a confirmation from the Pro Tempore or the VPJLA?
1. VPJLA Basch: He can put forth a motion to censure; the Bylaws say nothing
about out of order.
. Sen. Corsi: Or just, like, so it’s not out of procedure, because I know, technically, the desk is like
free reign. I’m more saying, like-
.Sen. Glass: Freedom of speech, bro.
2. Sen. Link: From what I understand we can motion to vote on the decorum of the flag, and then
you, EVP Martin, can decide whether it falls under decorum.
. Sen. McHoes: Quick follow-up - If we’re arguing that it isn’t a Soviet flag and you are arguing that
it is, wouldn’t it be impossible to vote on something like that until we have actually confirmed that? If
you’re saying saying that this is the Soviet flag and he believes that it belongs to Communist China, that
would kind of be like targeting his nationalism.
.Sen. Corsi: If you’re going to be debating that, I really recommend you speak to a victim of
communism. I really hope you’ve talked to anybody that has lived in former Yugoslavia or in that area.
a. Sen. Link: So, the easiest way to get around that would be to vote whether or not we want to have
political or country flags out on the desk, and then we would move on. We wouldn’t debate whether or
not that would fit. I’m just clarifying.
b. EVP Martin: Just to clarify, we are not in any sort of scenario of debate right now, but, because
this is not really in a space where we are entertaining motions, to my knowledge… We are not in New
Business yet, so if everyone is comfortable with this, can we proceed through the remainder of things
above New Business and then consider this at the start of New Business, because we cannot hold these
votes until we are in New Business.
.Sen. Link: There was already a motion and a second from over there, so we are already in debate -
unless he wants to rescind his motion.
1. EVP Martin: Will you rescind the motion so that I can recognize Sen.
Glottman, who has a comment?
. Sen. Corsi: Sure.
c. The motion is rescinded.
3. Sen. Glottman: Point of information - We Googled it; it’s not the Soviet flag.
4. Sen. Mark: Okay so then what is the point of this? This is not on the Agenda. We are literally
picking on him for showing his nationality, which is the same thing as anybody-
. Sen. Corsi: The bar and sickle? You’re saying the Soviet flag which represented communism, the
most violent ideology on this planet, you think that represents ethnicity? Come on.
5. Sen. Glottman: Just a comparison - If you have a state flag on your computer and a political party
flag on your computer, it’s similar, I guess. Freedom of Speech.
6. Sen. Corsi: To bring it to attention, I am not here to debate for 45 minutes about what that flag
represents; this is more of a vote. Do what we can do as a Senate and vote it down, or? I’m not
trying to obstruct this meeting.
. Sen. Hackett: Yes you are.
.Sen. Corsi: I’m just saying let’s vote and then we can finnish it. So, the first motion stands.
7. Sen. Link: Just vote and vote it down and move on.
8. EVP Martin: Can you repeat your motion?
9. Sen. Corsi: Motion to… How do I put this-
. Sen. Mark: You don’t even know you’re own motion.
10. Sen. Corsi: Motion to request for him to stop the use of the Communist flag.
. Sen. Link: No one seconded it, cool, we can move on.
.Sen. Corsi: No, he seconded it.
i.EVP Martin: He seconded it originally, but if he doesn’t second it on your re-motion, then the motion
doesn’t move forward.
September 9 Minutes
1. Corsi: So in regards to the recent targeting of a student on campus, I was kind of appalled
about the Hatchet and the Student Government response. I went through the crime log on
campus - we’ve got sexual assaults, we’ve got thefts, even violence, and not a single
student government response of “this student is bad,” “we should stare at this student and
condemn them.” But then like a crude joke that people don’t like was basically then
manufactured and now outrage and then her name and then the dragging of her sorority
into the mud. And now we have all of panhel shut down. I think we have a very small
minority of students holding certain leaders on campus hostage. I think sometimes people
need to take a deep breath and actually look at these issues and come to a reasonable
response.
Count 2:
i. Corsi: So in regards to the recent targeting of a
student on campus, I was kind of appalled
about the Hatchet and the Student Government
response. I went through the crime log on
campus - we’ve got sexual assaults, we’ve got
thefts, even violence, and not a single student
government response of “this student is bad,”
“we should stare at this student and condemn
them.” But then like a crude joke that people
don’t like was basically then manufactured and
now outrage and then her name and then the
dragging of her sorority into the mud. And
now we have all of panhel shut down. I think
we have a very small minority of students
holding certain leaders on campus hostage. I
think sometimes people need to take a deep
breath and actually look at these issues and
come to a reasonable response.
10/28 Meeting Minutes
a. Derek Lo: I just wanted to make a comment with a fair warning about some sensitive content. This
is regarding mental health here on campus. Last year during my first weeks here at GWU, I was
hospitalized due to suicidal thoughts and diagnosed with major depressive disorder. When I came back to
campus, I utilized the CHC and the Walk-In Counseling Center six times. Sometimes, I would have to
wait over 45 minutes due to only one councillor being present, which I think we can all agree is very
shameful. To me, it is not because they are not negligent, but there is not enough of them per say. They
have helped me through some of my darkest days. I have found that the fundamental issue is a lack of a
permanent head at the CHC. I know that Dean Petty is currently acting as interim leader of the CHC, and
I think all of us are happy to see that they have expanded the hours to Saturdays and Sundays, but, for me,
one of the biggest issues is that we still have to continue to find a permanent head. The other day, an
article was published in the Hatchet, in which Dean Petty said that she may hold off on hiring a
permanent head until the center is something that all students can use. I understand the sentiment that she
expressed, where you would want to provide an environment where students are comfortable, but I do
think it is important that the search committee moves faster in this process. I also felt it was important to
emphasize that the expanded hours do not really apply to mental health; the walk-ins are only available
from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm on weekdays, and I have needed help on weekends. I have opened up to friends
a little too much and lost those friendships. I found that after I came back and tried to find long-term care,
I ended up having to seek help off-campus. I don’t want other students on campus to have to see the CHC
as somewhere that they should not use as a resource. I know that all of us here care about the students. I
really appreciate your time, thank you.
3. Approval of Minutes from October 7th, 2019
. Sen. Link: Point of information - Harry, did you read them?
i.Sen. Levine: Yes, they are fine.
a. The minutes are adopted.
2. Approval of the Senate Minutes from October 14th, 2019
a. Sen. Link: Point of information- Harry did you read those too?
i.Sen. Levine: I did not look through those as thoroughly, but from what I saw, I did not see any errors.
b. Sen. Link: Did anyone read through the October 14th Minutes? For shame.
c. The minutes are adopted.
d. Sen. Corsi: Point of Information - I don’t know if there are going to be issues in terms of being out
of order, but I would just like to request that Sen. Bao to remove the Soviet flag, as I think it brings shame
upon the Student Association to have a flag that represents millions of deaths. I know you probably
having the flag out there as a joke, but - not that people won’t understand your sense of humor - I think
you are just being satirical, I don’t know. I think that you should probably consider taking it down. I don’t
care if you want the Chinese flag - go for it. I’m just saying that the Soviet flag, I don’t really understand
why you have that displayed.
.Sen. Bao: This is not the Soviet flag; this is the flag of the Communist Party of China. Therefore, I reject
your proposal that I remove it.
e. Sen. Corsi: Point of information for the EVP - are we able to vote on him being out of order for the
display of the Soviet flag, or how does that work?
.Sen. Bao: Just to clarify, this is not a Soviet flag.
2. Sen. Corsi: I understand what you are trying to disperse it as, you can
claim it to be whatever you want. But, am I able to vote - do I get to do a
motion and then people can vote that down or forward?
a. EVP Martin: I guess, theoretically, you could forward a motion.
i.Sen. Corsi: Does anybody want to second that?
2. Sen. Kahn: Seconded.
i.EVP Martin: Can I get a confirmation from the Pro Tempore or the VPJLA?
2. VPJLA Basch: He can put forth a motion to censure; the Bylaws say nothing
about out of order.
. Sen. Corsi: Or just, like, so it’s not out of procedure, because I know, technically, the desk is like
free reign. I’m more saying, like-
.Sen. Glass: Freedom of speech, bro.
3. Sen. Link: From what I understand we can motion to vote on the decorum of the flag, and then
you, EVP Martin, can decide whether it falls under decorum.
. Sen. McHoes: Quick follow-up - If we’re arguing that it isn’t a Soviet flag and you are arguing that
it is, wouldn’t it be impossible to vote on something like that until we have actually confirmed that? If
you’re saying saying that this is the Soviet flag and he believes that it belongs to Communist China, that
would kind of be like targeting his nationalism.
.Sen. Corsi: If you’re going to be debating that, I really recommend you speak to a victim of
communism. I really hope you’ve talked to anybody that has lived in former Yugoslavia or in that area.
a. Sen. Link: So, the easiest way to get around that would be to vote whether or not we want to have
political or country flags out on the desk, and then we would move on. We wouldn’t debate whether or
not that would fit. I’m just clarifying.
b. EVP Martin: Just to clarify, we are not in any sort of scenario of debate right now, but, because
this is not really in a space where we are entertaining motions, to my knowledge… We are not in New
Business yet, so if everyone is comfortable with this, can we proceed through the remainder of things
above New Business and then consider this at the start of New Business, because we cannot hold these
votes until we are in New Business.
.Sen. Link: There was already a motion and a second from over there, so we are already in debate -
unless he wants to rescind his motion.
2. EVP Martin: Will you rescind the motion so that I can recognize Sen.
Glottman, who has a comment?
. Sen. Corsi: Sure.
c. The motion is rescinded.
5. Sen. Glottman: Point of information - We Googled it; it’s not the Soviet flag.
6. Sen. Mark: Okay so then what is the point of this? This is not on the Agenda. We are literally
picking on him for showing his nationality, which is the same thing as anybody-
. Sen. Corsi: The bar and sickle? You’re saying the Soviet flag which represented communism, the
most violent ideology on this planet, you think that represents ethnicity? Come on.
7. Sen. Glottman: Just a comparison - If you have a state flag on your computer and a political party
flag on your computer, it’s similar, I guess. Freedom of Speech.
8. Sen. Corsi: To bring it to attention, I am not here to debate for 45 minutes about what that flag
represents; this is more of a vote. Do what we can do as a Senate and vote it down, or? I’m not
trying to obstruct this meeting.
. Sen. Hackett: Yes you are.
.Sen. Corsi: I’m just saying let’s vote and then we can finnish it. So, the first motion stands.
10. Sen. Link: Just vote and vote it down and move on.
11. EVP Martin: Can you repeat your motion?
12. Sen. Corsi: Motion to… How do I put this-
. Sen. Mark: You don’t even know you’re own motion.
11. Sen. Corsi: Motion to request for him to stop the use of the Communist flag.
. Sen. Link: No one seconded it, cool, we can move on.
.Sen. Corsi: No, he seconded it.
i.EVP Martin: He seconded it originally, but if he doesn’t second it on your re-motion, then the motion
doesn’t move forward.

September 9 Minutes
a. Quentin McHoes: Some of you may know that I am SJ’s VPUSP, but I feel
compelled to make a few comments. Recently I was in a meeting with the Joint
Committee of Faculty and Students with Nicole, our Pro Tempore, and others,
and during that meeting, it was quite interesting because a member of the faculty
kept making comments like, “the SA isn’t mature,” and that this body is really for
us to… when we are ready to have the “grown-up” conversations after we get
done fooling around in SA, and after we do so we can go to the Faculty Senate. I
was appalled when I heard that, but honestly, after being in this meeting today, I
see exactly what they are talking about, and I say that as a student, not as SJ’s
VPUSP. I find it abhorrent that three of the people i most think these comments
are pertinent to are not in this room. I found it abhorrent that Sen. Corsi decided to
ambush a nominee without discussing his alleged issues with the president. I think
there is a repeated comment that SJ and the executive cannot be trusted, or that
she is not good, but then there are no actual steps taken to communicate with her.
He did that for the sole purpose of ambushing her and making the executive look
bad. I don’t think that that is the good relationship that we all promised we would
make when we all started after the elections. I think it is also unbecoming to have
Dean Petty in the room during comments that were made about the
administrators. We can have our disagreements with the administrative body, but
to make those comments while an administrator is in the room and then wonder
why administrators aren’t on the bandwagon to join in terms of helping the SA,
makes me quite interested. We really need to take it upon ourselves to take up the
mantle of leadership and actually do the work that we were sent here to do. I just
have to say how truly disappointed I was in everything that has happened tonight.
It was unbelievable the disrespect that I thought was shown to the EVP, and I
really hope as a student that is in his final year here, that we can do better. We
must do better.
Hatchet Article
https://www.gwhatchet.com/2019/11/14/bylaw-inconsistencies-delayed-sa-censure-hearing-
senators-say/
a. Edwards: I think that the correct
response was taken. I think that it is
important to… There has been a
historical division between the SA
and the black community on campus,
and part of the point of the meeting
yesterday was the help bridge that
gap. We in part achieved that - we
received a lot of great feedback and
ideas for policy proposals, and
something that I know that I will
pursue drafting is a policy that was
suggested by Dr. West; basically, we
would have a policy that would say
that students who do not act in
accordance with what GW considers
their values would be rejected from
the University. A lot of our market-
basket schools like NYU have
policies like this instituted. That is
the next plan of action, alongside
holding listening sessions.
2. Sen. Corsi: If we’re turning everyone’s
social media use into an inquisition, I would
like to ask how the Jewish community
should feel on campus that you shared a
memes with Louis Farrakhan on social
media. I’m wondering, what is your opinion
on Louis Farrakhan where you would share
his content? I am curious as to if Jewish
students would feel confident that you
would be a fair arbiter of diversity and
inclusion. Louis Farrakhan, if you guys
don’t know who that is, he has referred to
the most ugly, anti-Jewish tropes you can
imagine; but, our nominee has felt
comfortable sharing his likes, sharing his
image. Where do you stand on that?
HEARSAY EVIDENCE:
● Corsi says: Food Insecurity is a Pseudoscience
● Beason Said Corsi was the reason for her leaving
● Devlin Ruelle Says Corsi Left jsut before the training