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How to Extend yout USB using UTP


by huang.wencong on June 30, 2008

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intro: How to Extend yout USB using UTP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2

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step 2: The making of Part 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2

step 3: The making of Part 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4

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intro: How to Extend yout USB using UTP
This is my second Instructables. This time, I'm gonna tell everyone how to extend your USB using UTP. Why do you need to do so? Because the USB extender in shops
only around 1,5 meters. It's very short, if you need 50 meters for a USB WiFi antenna on your roof. So I share to you people this technique.

P.S.: I will be making the Instructables of the Indonesia's style of USB WiFi antenna. The picture is below.

step 1: Gather your parts


You need:
(1)USB Cable
(2)UTP Cable
(3)Small PVC Pipe
(4)Rubber tape
(5)thermofit / heatshrink

step 2: The making of Part 1


Open the UTP and USB cable. Put the small PVC pipe in the UTP cable. Put the thermofit in the USB cable. Then connect it like this:

white orange & orange to red,


white & green to white,
green to green,
and the rest to black.

Remeber to solder it.

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step 3: The making of Part 2
Fit the pipe in the connections and close it with rubber tape. You're finished! Try it. If USB is not detected, then change the USB 1.1 to USB 2.0.

If it doesn't work, try the circuit below.

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48 comments Add Comment

j21a2t89 says: Mar 23, 2009. 11:54 AM REPLY


Just a quick point you could use a usb hub (with all the plastic stripped off) to regenerate the signal. So using the utp as well you could extend the cable
theorectically to any length. You would need to remove the power socket on the hub and have a powerful enough 5v source. hmm i should create an
instructable.

zeefar says: Mar 8, 2009. 2:13 PM REPLY


When I connect the flash drive to the connector through the set up of USB over UTP to PC, the computer does not read the data from my flash drive device,
why is that?

Danicek says: Mar 1, 2009. 2:00 AM REPLY


A have an idea put something like MAX3003 to the middle of long extension cable. This IC is a level translator between different voltage logic levels, but is
possible to connect it as fast bidirectional repeater with automatic direction control.
In theory, input signal, which is "degraded" by passing long distance, should be "shaped" almost back to the original and sent to the output.
Order for this ICs is already placed for another project in my job, so I will test it.
Ofcourse, it will work ONLY for UBS 1.1, because bitrate limitation.

sagewifi says: Jul 18, 2008. 12:23 PM REPLY


Is there a reason you bound those colors? Is red and blank on the USB - power and ground? I guess you want more copper (2 or 3 UTP wires) for power
and ground than the signal wires?

I did something similar with DIY PoE to my roof.


Thanks- Great for USB webcams.

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CrudeBuster says: Sep 7, 2008. 12:48 PM REPLY
I suggest instead of using only one wire, use instead a pair for each usb pin, this will lessen the impedance, and grant good stability in connections.

I know better, I did a 50-feet cable like that, testing hard and exhaustively.

Danicek says: Feb 20, 2009. 4:46 AM REPLY


Using 2 Pairs for supply voltage is good idea. But do not use it for signal path.

CrudeBuster says: Feb 26, 2009. 6:14 AM REPLY


Um, why not? If twisted pair is good for Ethernet TX / RX, why wouldn't be good for USB D+/D-?

Danicek says: Feb 26, 2009. 10:00 AM REPLY


For DC supply you need lownest possible resistance in path. So it is good idea use one pait as +5V and other pair as GND, AC charakteristic
is not so important.
On other hand, we can almost omit currents in signal path, at least for USB, because there is no termination. For signal path parameters is
important AC point of view. And in this case bigger "volume' of cable will make bigger condensator to charge/discharge -> bigger looses on
higher frequencies.
So.. use 1 and half pair for +5V, another 1.5 pair for gnd and 1 pair for D+ and D-.

BTW. for 100Mbit ethernet


1 pair = TX+, TX-
1 pair = RX+, RX-
2 pairs unused (used for 1Gbit ethernet)

CrudeBuster says: Feb 26, 2009. 2:07 PM REPLY


But as the theoretical limit of USB data signal wiring is 5 meters, we're trading loss in high frequency for stability, lessening the
impedance.

Well, I'll test your suggestion anyway, because I'm having problems with different USB controllers, some do accept the extension over
10m, others don't get even 4m.

CrudeBuster says: Feb 28, 2009. 12:15 PM REPLY


The alternate wiring using 1 pair and a half for +5 and GND functioned very well, kudos for you for the tip, Danicek.

Even in my EEEPc, where the pair wiring didn't worked after 2m, 10m using the alternate worked like a breeze with my mouse and
mp4 player, as well as the Encore USB dongle.

I used this particular wiring colors:


Orange pair + White/Light Blue = +5
Maroon pair + Dark Blue = GND
Dark Green = +D
White/Light Green = -D

The +5 measured 5.05 with the mouse working, the alternate wiring kept the loss really down.

00JAMIEJOHNSON00 says: Feb 27, 2009. 3:08 PM REPLY


THIS WORKED PERFECTLY WITH MY BELKIN F5D8053 N BAND USB WIFI ADAPTOR AND OVER 35FT OF CAT 5 CABLE!!! I DID HAVE TO PLUG IT
INTO MY USB 1.0 HUB AND NOT THE USB 2.0 PORTS ON MY DESKTOP TO GET IT TO WORK RIGHT . I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANY SIGNAL LOSS
AND IT SAVED ME AT LEAST $50 IN CABLES AND USB REPEATERS. THANKS A LOT.

Spajky [-Spikey] says: Nov 3, 2008. 11:51 PM REPLY


maybe someone should check also my solution to the problem using two thin coaxial lines/cables ... sorry , posts are not in english, but everything needed is
on schematics marked to reproduce the solution : Here !

Danicek says: Feb 20, 2009. 4:43 AM REPLY


USB data signals are diferential. They are making a pair. Idea split them into 2 coaxial cables is not good. This will rapidly incrase parasitic capacitance.
I think you will get better results by using good quality twisted pair cable.
Idea with separate "on place" power suply is good. This will help you compensate voltage drop on longer line.

Spajky [-Spikey] says: Feb 21, 2009. 11:38 AM REPLY


Yes, I know they are differential (to the gnd) & practically still are in my schematics! The differential lines are shielded, but NOT terminated to the
ground on the line ...

That my suggested coax is 75ohm impedance, 55pF/m, 55ohm/km DC per inner wire & 10dB attenuation at 100MHz . A tipical UTP cable has
100ohm impedance, 50pF/m, 100ohm/km DC per inner wire & 20dB attenuation at 100MHz. ... With lesser impedance (one line Usb to the gnd is
even less!) , capacitance matters less, with thicker wires there is less voltage drop & if you use a multiple of half wavelenght of that coax (basic Usb
clock = 48MHz), you can extend the range even more, since that mirrors the impedance from one to another end of the line.

Well. I admit that using 2 coax-es is less practical than using a single cable like UTP for longer lines and popping on it a higher voltage to
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compensate voltage drop, but the signal will degenerate even before than using 2 coax-es. so its suggestible to use a hub after 20m of lenght
anyway.

Yes, using UTP cable up to 15 m of lenght is easier ...

fishought says: Dec 3, 2008. 1:01 AM REPLY


the circuit doesnt work, its only a 5 volts supply,

Danicek says: Feb 20, 2009. 4:30 AM REPLY


Yes it is bad designed 5V supply.
1. What is purpose in of +9V battery (supply) and D1?
2. Never put large electrolytic capacitor (100uF and more) to the output of 78xx. At the time of turn on, capacitor is empty and for some time can draw
more than 1A of current. Onchip protection of 78xx will shutdown the stabilizer and restarts. This will produce oscilations in output voltage. It is better put
some small tantal capacitor about 33uF to the output in parallel with ceramic 100nF decoupling capacitor, as close as possible to 78xx. Another 100nF
capacitor should be connected to the input of 78xx.
Another thing. Do not forget fit suitable heatsink. In full load (standart USB 500mA) there will be 3.5W power loss ( (12V - 5V) * 0.5A ).

t.rohner says: Jul 5, 2008. 12:08 AM REPLY


I don't know how usb cables look inside, the only difference i see possible, is that we have a twisted pair here. But what are they twisted with? Is it with the
ground wire? In a usb connection, we have ground, 5V, Rx and Tx data lines. Since Rx and Tx are not differential signal pairs as in Ethernet, the twisting has
a somewhat limited impact on the signal quality. This is only my theoretical judgement, i didn't try it.
The circuit shown in the intro is just a 5V power supply. This may help with usb devices using much power like harddrives, but it won't enhance signal quality.
You can get away with some usb extension, but i don't know to what extent. I once hooked a 5m extension to a 3m wifi stick holder and had no problems.
This was usb 1.1 by the way.
But Hunag seems to use it, so why not give it a try if you need it. It won't cost much.

Danicek says: Feb 20, 2009. 4:01 AM REPLY


You are not right. There is no Tx and Rx wire in USB. Wires are +5V, Gnd, D+ and D-. D+ and D- ARE differential signals and twisting is important.

francote6 says: Dec 30, 2008. 5:30 AM REPLY


It Works !!
Although I only needed 14Mts… did not work until I connected the cable UTP CAT3 (Is possible that is better with the CAT6) directly to the card of the
Webcam to omit the ferrite nucleus through which the cable original passes (In my case, the image was not deteriorated). Perhaps confución with the order
of the connection of cables has appeared. They must be:

White/orange + orange to red


white to white
green to green
the rest to black

balachanderraidu says: Oct 7, 2008. 8:41 AM REPLY


I tried it out with tho UTP wires connected at da same time but still it doesn't work is there any way out i'm using USB2.0 port.........................

Sk8erCk4Life says: Dec 21, 2008. 1:21 PM REPLY


I soldered the wires like it said to but put extra shrink tube on it and I used old ehernet cord..

Sk8erCk4Life says: Dec 21, 2008. 12:39 PM REPLY


Whatever I took a used ethernet cord and did what it said to do and it works.

leBeau says: Jul 28, 2008. 12:25 AM REPLY


Can anybody help me? I have bought an cat5e utp cable and and usb extension cord. I soldered green to green, orange/white & orange to red, and
green/white to white. The remaining cables (blue/white, blue, black/white, black) I soldered to black. I also insulated them. My usb port in the computer used
usb 2.0. Both the usb and the utp had uncoloured (that is to say they were bare) copper wires, I soldered those together and insulated them aswell.
Should I have soldered the bare copper wires to black aswell? Should I set my pc to usb 1? Should I not connect some wires to the black usb wire?
Please help!

Sk8erCk4Life says: Nov 25, 2008. 7:48 PM REPLY


How do you set your pc to usb 1 and 2?

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Sk8erCk4Life says: Nov 6, 2008. 4:29 PM REPLY
Do you have to use all the wire in the UTP cord or can you just hook up four of them since there is only four wires in a USB cable and match the same colors
on the opposite side and can you use round phone wire with the six wires in it insted of UTP?

Sk8erCk4Life says: Oct 31, 2008. 7:54 PM REPLY


Can you take the phone line that has six wires in it and take and use only four of them and solder it and hook it up the same way?

looking4ideas says: Oct 28, 2008. 10:19 AM REPLY


Don't you have to connect the wire mesh? because I know that it connects to the out side shell of the USB (the silver part )

lordmarx says: Oct 3, 2008. 5:19 AM REPLY


you need a booster for a longer cable. or try to surf and look for an active extender.

baalkorn says: Sep 6, 2008. 6:39 PM REPLY


Doesn't work at 2.0 ports... cuz' this configuration is 1.1 or something like that, i try it on old pc and works fine!! but not in port 2.0
:(

ambo says: Aug 26, 2008. 2:17 PM REPLY


hello,i already follow your procedure for the usb extension using UTP,but i cannot make it detect as a 2.0 usb,coz ill use it with a 2.0 compatible
devices.Please let me know if you have an answer for this.thank you

Derin says: Sep 2, 2008. 8:52 AM REPLY


in my experience,USB 2.0 will talk USB 1.1 as well,and USB 1.1 can connect to USB 2.0 hosts.

jets1934a says: Aug 25, 2008. 6:05 PM REPLY


I followed the instructions just as posted including "the circuit below".Checked everything 3 times.. I get "USB Device Not Recognized" for anything usb
powered, I have a self powered (which I plug into electrical outlet) usb storage device which is recognized and works on the 25 ft 5e cable. what am I doing
wrong....any suggestions?

jets1934a says: Aug 25, 2008. 6:33 PM REPLY


ps...no wire are crossed ..followed everything to the letter..help ..please...

leBeau says: Jul 28, 2008. 5:21 AM REPLY


I've severed the bare copper wires and now it works!

leBeau says: Jul 29, 2008. 7:59 AM REPLY


The stupid thing is, the whole thing is very usb dependant. I have bought two of the same utp cables, and two different usb extention cables. One
worked, one didnt. The one that didnt work was made after the one that worked. Both usb-cables had bare copper wires outside of the foil that wrapped
the other cables (like I described earlier). I've also tried a usb-extender that didnt have such a wrapping or those copper wires, but that didnt work. These
attempts were made after my succes with the other cables, so I do have the technique down. There are usb-extenders with something like a cilinder on it
a few centimeters after the usb connector, which I think houses a microprocessor. I havent tried that kind yet. The error I get is: unknown usb device.

All in all this is a great instructable which can enable many fantastic ideas. I used it to make a underwater webcam. I used two alarmclocks, because they
had a glass window. I drilled a small whole in the plastic housing of the alarm clock which would allow entry of the usb cable of the webcam. I then cut
that cable and put one end through the hole and soldered both ends together again. I then soldered two leds to two batteries (AA) in parallel position and
made their beams cross at the focus of the webcam. The batteries were just glued in there. My original intention was to work with usb powered leds, but
then the webcam would have to be connected to a hub and the hub would need a power source and thats a bit difficult in a under water situation. I
realise the batteries will die out, but then I can just replace/recharge them. I used aluminium foil to make sure all the light the led emitted was directed
outward. (Read, I wrapped the leds in aluminium foil).
I used kit to make sure everything was sealed and then as an extra procaution I used liquid plastic around all the edges and possible openings.
That left me with two usb wires protruding from the webcam, which were connected to the usb/utp cable made according to the instructable described at
this website. So I have two usb/utp cables coming from my pond to my pc. I use webcam monitoring software to view both webcams at the same time.
There are several posibilities, if you type webcam at mininova.org you'll find a collection of the best suited software, which ofcourse you'll have to buy for
yourself to be a legal owner. I mearly mentioned looking for suitable titles this way because typing in webcam software in google doesnt give you the
results you want.

The making of the underwater webcam isn't my idea. The original concept came from this website: http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/694/how-to-make-
a-cheap-submersible-webcam

My webcam differs in that it has lights and it actually has two webcams and isnt used in some aquarium but in a pond and so needs the utpusb cable
solution.

The utpusb cable actually enables many fun ideas like putting a webcam in a birdbath or bird feeding stand in your garden and watching them up close.

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layoric says: Jul 28, 2008. 8:26 AM REPLY
Great job. Mine on the USB side didn't have red either, but a grey - which I substituted for the red connection.

leBeau says: Jul 28, 2008. 12:54 AM REPLY


Also, the usb flash drive I used to test if the cable was working had been used on that pc succesfully before. However with the cable the pc says usb device
not recognized. Help please!

layoric says: Jul 23, 2008. 7:49 AM REPLY


Yes this works! I just did this with cat5e and a dollar store usb extender for a wifi usb device. Only needed/tested with about 15 feet though. Didn't want to
cut my limited supply of network cable if it didn't work. Used another instructable on here for the strainer (WokFi). That works too, just not sure what all the
readings mean in netstumbler.

uzairsagitarian says: Jul 9, 2008. 5:25 AM REPLY


Can it work with a webcam please tell me i want to use a webcam as a security camera at my door I live in a 400 sq. yards house the door is at one corner
and my computer is on other

schorhr says: Jul 13, 2008. 8:59 AM REPLY


Get a WLAN camera :-)
Or a wifi router that supports USB devices or adapter that will enable you to use the webcam wirelessly (though this usualy just works with some
Windows driver)

huang.wencong says: Jul 10, 2008. 6:32 PM REPLY


just try it. if can't make your usb to usb 1.1

Sk8erCk4Life says: Dec 31, 2008. 4:29 PM REPLY


How long is the PVC pipe you used?

schorhr says: Jul 13, 2008. 8:58 AM REPLY


Just a side note, I saw that DealExtreme carries a $19 (shipped) USB-Extension that will work via network cable.
It states to work with calbe length arround 150feet (someone there stated 100 was working, 150 did not).
Unfortunaly it is only USB 1.1, but for most things it will work just fine.
The (tehoretical) 11 mbit are enough for most internet connections (as many broadband services offer speeds below that anyway), but if you want a wifi
connection with somebody else you wont be able to transfer files at full wireless speed.
Also even though all webcams usualy support USB 1.1, they will not be able to provide the fast USB 2.0 picture refresh rate and/or resolution.

Maybee there is a USB 2.0 version out there or comming soon?


http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6640

westfw says: Jun 30, 2008. 5:02 PM REPLY


Does this actually work? There are all sorts of valid technical reasons that the USB cable length is limited (in the specification) to 5 meters, but I wouldn't be
surprised if there were circumstances under which you could get away with a lot more cable (perhaps only one device at the far end, etc.) If you have a
particular wifi adapter that you've seen actually working at the end of 50meters of cable, I certainly wouldn't mind you listing the brand name...

huang.wencong says: Jun 30, 2008. 8:03 PM REPLY


Yes, it can be until 15 meters. I use TP-Link WN321G. And original BELDEN UTP cable. If it doesn't work, go to the last step and see the circuit for the
repeater.

tiuk says: Jul 1, 2008. 9:01 AM REPLY


There is no circuit in the last step.

kenbo0422 says: Jul 2, 2008. 4:21 AM REPLY


Try the circuit below: as in: the picture is showing another boost circuit to repeat the process? Anyway, I believe I understand. Good Info.

upriverpaddler says: Jul 1, 2008. 9:48 AM REPLY


It's in the intro.

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