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The System
Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank -
backer's stake £30 (my liability under
£75)

Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of


bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability
£46.80 - £115.20)

Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of


bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability
£78 - £132)

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THE THREAD

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09-02-2005, 06:37 PM

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Maria's laying system

I've been reluctant to start off this thread, because I'm frightened of its turning out to
be the kiss of death ... you have what you imagine to be a good system and start to
explain it in public, and suddenly a wheel comes off ...* ???

I've come up with a laying system ...* ;D

I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway
...* :-[

I'll try to post each day's selections by 1.00pm at the very latest, but I don't think I'll
often manage to post them the night before.

Comments, general heckling and questions (but not about the details of my selection-
process, please) are very welcome as we go along, but I'd better start off with
something like an "FAQ" ...* 8)

STAKING: I want to minimise risks and maximise returns, of course (who doesn't?),
which are always pretty difficult, not to say conflicting, objectives to combine. Like all
forms of betting, the selections are only a part of the story. Betting on horses is
notorious for people being able to have good selections and still lose money through
poor money management. With laying in particular, IMHO the commonest reasons for
failure are under-funding (not having a bank big enough for what you're trying to do)
and disillusionment (getting too easily fed up with an inevitable losing run).

This isn't the time or place to get involved in a big discussion about whether the
selections or the money management are more important - it suffices to say that
without both aspects being good, sensible, reliable and proven, it's not possible to

make steady profits ...*

The two common staking methods for laying are:-

(i) Laying to a fixed stake: I don't use this for two main reasons: first, the
"accidents" are proportionally too expensive; secondly, it seems to me that it fails
adequately to make the profits "deserved" after successfully identifying and laying
shorter-priced losers.

(ii) Laying to a fixed liability: I don't use this either, because it's inherently
mathematically unsound - it ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to
happen at the lower end of the scale: if I lay a 2/1 favourite (i.e. I lay it at an
exchange price of 3.0), the overall risk of that bet losing (the horse winning) is of
course higher than one which was a lay at 8.0 (7/1).

Instead I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a
complicated mixture of the two systems mentioned above, but it's actually perfectly

straightforward ...*

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My staking system: I lay in three distinct exchange-price-bands of fixed backer's
stakes.

At one end of the scale, if the exchange price available about the horse is less than
3.5 (less than 5/2), I lay to a stake of 1% of my current laying system bank. At the
other end, if the price is between 7.5 and 11 (the latter figure being my cut-off: I
don't lay anything higher than 10/1), I lay to a stake of 0.4% of my current bank. If
the price is in-between these two bands (i.e. prices of 3.6 to 7.4), then I lay to a
stake of 0.6% of my bank. As they say in those TV infommercials, "But wait - there's
more!": I also combine this staking plan with a ratchet system (see below).

The are two other advantages with this staking system: first, the practicality of the
situation when using the exchanges is that the backer's stake (rather than one's own
liability) is the value which has to be typed into the little box on the screen, and this
makes it quick and simple to do; secondly, nearly a year's figures have proven to me
that this method minimises the variability of the results, and that's very, very

important ...*

To summarise, with examples based on a starting bank of £3,000 (if you're reckless
enough to try them, you can scale up or down proportionally to your own bank) ...

Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75)

Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80
- £115.20)

Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 -
£132)

Ratchet System

If making profits, I increase all stakes in proportion to the bank on a daily basis. (I'd
love to do it on a bet-by-bet basis, but that would assume that anyone following the
system can be glued to their screen all afternoon, which isn't realistic. If you're
working for a living - shock horror: please excuse my language! - you need to be able
to put the bets on your lunch-hour.)

This means that at the end of each day, the next day's "current bank" figure is known.
For example, if there's a good start and the £3,000 bank grows, then the stakes are
worked out as proportion of the new higher figure, and increase slightly the next
day. This may sound insignificant but it makes a huge difference to the

results ...*

In contrast, after a losing day, I don't reduce stakes unless and until 35% of the
highest level of the bank is lost, when I essentially re-start using the same
percentages, but now of the new "65%-sized bank" ...* :-\

Example: from a £3,000 start, if there's a net loss on the first day, the next day I still
stake as if from a bank of £3,000 (i.e. to backer's stakes of £30, £18 and £12
depending on the price about each selection) until reaching £1,950 when those
backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up
to £3,000 again (or - dare I mention it? - down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss).

The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank. If it happens
(and so far it hasn't - famous last words?!) I'll explain it again.

It may sound a bit complicated but it's actually very simple. Not easy, but very simple

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...* :

Please don't imagine that I'm claiming this to be a perfect laying system. There are
one or two anomalies in it, but after lots of analysis and calculation in the early days,
over the last year I've found this system practicable, straightforward and robust. And
that's what matters.

In the next post, I'll complete the "FAQ" and hope to cover the practicalities ...* :-*
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OTHER CONSIDERATIONS/PRACTICALITIES ABOUT THIS SYSTEM AND ITS


RESULTS

(i) It's essential to keep (at the very least on paper) a separate bank for this system:
the money can, if unavoidable, be mixed up in an account with other betting funds,
but at the very least the "books" must be kept separately, otherwise you don't know
where you are - it's not possible to win in the long run without keeping good records

... oooh, contentious! ...*

(ii) Terminology: there's always understandable confusion about discussing laying.


For the record, if there's any apparent ambiguity, I'm always referring to the bet
rather than the horse. So if I say that out of the day's selections, three won and one
lost, and that the day's strike-rate was 75%, I mean that three of the horses lost and
one was a winner on which I paid out. (But if that's the actual strike-rate every day,
we won't get far: mixed-price-bracket laying systems generally need a very high
strike-rate).

(iii) This is a slow and steady system, not a get-rich-quick scheme, and any attempt
to turn it into that, or to escalate the stakes when losing, is destined for disaster.
With laying, in particular, the swings and arrows of outrageous fortune can be
particularly vicious, and it's all too easy for gradually accumulated profits to be wiped
out quickly by an uncharacteristically unlucky run. I hope that my staking system

allows for this, to a large degree ...*

(iv) Some of the selections tend to shorten in price and others tend to drift. The
reality is that it's not possible, overall, to lay at SP and I would therefore be
misleading people about my profits if I quoted the results to SP. So I'm going to keep
two separate sets of results ...

1. SP + 10%: These results will quote all prices to SP + 10% (i.e. as if the price,
from the layer's point of view, was 10% worse than SP).

2. My own actual results, recording the prices I've found and used.

No method of doing this is going to be perfect, but before deciding on this method of

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keeping the results, I've talked it over with the Administrator and we've decided,
hopefully, that this "double results" system is the least open to criticism ...* :-X

(v) If a selection is priced at more than 11 on the exchanges when I first look at it
(and this really isn't going to happen often, because they make me nervous), then
with one exception I leave my bet unmatched at 11 and just wait and see what
happens. The exception is that if it's priced at more than 14 to lay, I cross it off the
list completely and don't even go back to look at it again (this is a half-hearted
attempt to avoid becoming the victim of any "major coups"). In the "starting-price +
10% results", I won't be recording as a bet anything that set off at more than 10/1.

(vi) The exchanges charge a variable commission on profits. I'm going to allow for the
highest commission at the most expensive of the exchanges, and deduct 5% from all
wins. (Note that this is calculated on a "per event" basis, so if you lay two or more
horses in a race, the commission is charged only on your net profit on that race.)

(vii) This is (comparatively, at least) a "high turnover" system. The idea is that every
bet made represents "value" and has a positive expectation, and therefore the more
of them there are, the better the returns. It's not for the faint-hearted! Back these
with real money at your own risk and never with money that you can't afford to lose.

(viii) I've found that it's nearly always a mistake to "pick and choose" with this
system. Lay all the selections (that can be done within the cut-off of 11) or none of
them.

(ix) When I put the bets on, I don't always just take the best current price, depending
partly on how much of a hurry I'm in and whether I have shoe-shopping plans for the
afternoon. Unless I think the price is particularly likely to lengthen (see "Lay, Back and
Think of Winning" by Nigel Paul for the best simple explanation of how you can judge
this), I'm likely to leave my lay unmatched at a price in-between what's available to
back and what's available to back. Usually my lay will get matched. But I only do this
if I can keep an eye on it, and change my mind quickly about what price to lay at if
the market moves against me ...* ???

(x) Within my cut-off of 11, the market moving against me when I have an
unmatched bet is not a reason for me to abandon a lay: if it's part of the system and
it's not above 11, I lay it.

(xi) The overwhelming majority of the lays in this thread will be win lays, but there
will be the occasional place lay included too. These are much rarer, but I have a very
high strike-rate with them ...* ;D

(xii) Patience and discipline lead to profits ...* ;D* ;D* ;D

Tomorrow (Saturday 3rd September) is Day 1 ...* 8)


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09-02-2005, 06:46 PM

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Wow, after all that typing, I'm exhausted before I've even started ...
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Very good write-up Maria and good luck with it. Just one small problem which I
encountered doing something similar: there isn't always enough money in the system
to do bigger bets early on in the day. I was always reluctant to leave money in there
hoping that the money pot would increase to match my bets. So, unless I sit in front
of my computer when racing starts and watch the bets coming in, I am unlikely to do
my or any other system bets as I am out and about during the day.
Nevertheless, good luck with this system.

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09-02-2005, 07:29 PM

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Very good write-up Maria and good luck with it. Just one small problem which I
encountered doing something similar: there isn't always enough money in the system
to do bigger bets early on in the day. I was always reluctant to leave money in there
hoping that the money pot would increase to match my bets. So, unless I sit in front
of my computer when racing starts and watch the bets coming in, I am unlikely to do
my or any other system bets as I am out and about during the day.
Nevertheless, good luck with this system.

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Good Luck with this Maria, look forward to following this thread
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Quote:

Wow, after all that typing, I'm exhausted before I've even started
i am reading it,pass me an aspirin
no seriously good luck ;D
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Thanks, guys ... :-*

Wolf, I know exactly what you mean. It's true that early in the day there sometimes
isn't enough money available on the system. But there normally is by lunch-time ... :-
\

My own experience is that if I leave unmatched money "inside the spread" (i.e.
between the highest price available to back and the lowest price available to lay) or
even a bit higher than the lowest price available to lay, it's almost always taken. The
first time I go through my bets, barring obvious favourites, I leave them all
unmatched. Then when I've got to the end, I go back round again and see what's
been taken. The whole thing only takes three minutes if I do it that way. Sometimes
I'll be at home anyway and have more time available.

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Why are you so reluctant to leave unmatched bets on the system? ???
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09-03-2005, 11:16 AM

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Thanks for your comments, Maria. Well, I suppose I am now a bit oldfashion and like
to know exactly where my money is. For me leaving umatched bets on betfair appears
to me as going into a bookie, handing over £50.00 and asking the bookie to put my
money on a 6/1 winner lol. This example might be a bit farfetched but this is how I
feel if I cannot see my money.
I will eagerly antiscipate your results though.

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09-03-2005, 11:43 AM

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Ok, here we go ...

But, before we go anywhere (she said nervously!), please bear in mind that with a
high turnover laying system, one must take a long-term view. A day's results mean
very little, and even a month's results don't mean a lot - and there will be losing
months, I promise. What matters is a year's results. Really.

The First Day ... 8)

Saturday 3rd September ...

There won't usually be so many selections in a day, by the way: it's just a "busy
Saturday".

Glistening 1.45 Haydock ...


Icannshift 2.05 Folkestone ...
Ditton Dancer 2.10 Thirsk ...
Poppy's Footprint 2.40 Thirsk ...
McEldowney 3.15 Thirsk ...
Wedaad 3.20 Haydock ...
Imperial Stride 4.05 Newmarket ...

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Keltic Lord 4.10 Stratford ...
Catskill 4.30 Haydock ...
For Scarlett 4.55 Thirsk ...
Tarabut 5.10 Newmarket ...
Black De Bessy 5.15 Stratford ...
Pagan Sword 5.40 Newmarket ...
Prince of Gold 7.30 Wolverhampton ...
Isabella Rossini 8.00 Wolverhampton ...
Physical 9.30 Wolverhampton ...

Don't pick and choose, trying to fit this "information" in with selections from

other sources: it doesn't work that way!

;D

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Results Update: Day 1 ...

At least if you start off with a particularly bad day, you can legitimately hope to

improve ...

Glistening 1.45 Haydock ... 4/1, 4.6, £18 ;D


Icannshift 2.05 Folkestone ... 4/1, 5.2, £18 ;D
Ditton Dancer 2.10 Thirsk ... 11/2, 6.6, £18 :'(
Poppy's Footprint 2.40 Thirsk ... 4/1, 5.6, £18 ;D
McEldowney 3.15 Thirsk ... 11/4, 3.9, £18 ;D
Wedaad 3.20 Haydock ... 7/2, 5.0, £18 ;D
Imperial Stride 4.05 Newmarket ... 11/8, 2.06, £30 :'(
Keltic Lord 4.10 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.0, £18 ;D
Catskill 4.30 Haydock ... 3/1, 4.1, £18 ;D
For Scarlett 4.55 Thirsk ... 7/4, 3.0, £30 ;D
Tarabut 5.10 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.0, £30 ;D
Black De Bessy 5.15 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.6, £12 :'(
Pagan Sword 5.40 Newmarket ... 9/1, 8.2, £12 :'(
Prince of Gold 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 7.0, £18 ;D
Isabella Rossini 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 7.0, £18 ;D
Physical 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 8.0, £12 ;D

Comments:

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;D denotes a winner (horse lost)
:'( denotes a loser (horse won)

The numbers after the horses' names show the SP, the exchange price at which my
lay was taken (including return of backer's stake in the event of the horse winning,
i.e. 3.0 means 2/1 and so on) and the backer's stake.

Profits (if the horse lost) are the amount shown as the backer's stake.

Losses (if it won) are worked out by subtracting 1 from the exchange price and
multiplying the result by the stake. Example: Imperial Stride won its race, the lay was
at 2.06 for £30, so it cost me £31.80 (1.06 x £30).

I put on 14 of today's 16 bets in 5 or 6 minutes not long after I'd posted the
selections, and had 2 to check later.

My losses here today came to £298.20 and my profits were £234.00 less 5%, which is
£222.30, so I made a net loss of £75.90, which is a very bad day (but there'll be
worse!).

My £3,000 bank is now down to £2924.10, a loss of 2.53%, but using ratchet staking,
I'll be laying to the same backers' stakes tomorrow as today, of course.

Absolutely disastrous first day - somewhat relieved that I'd already promised that
there'll be losing months and that only the year's results matter.

I've also worked out what the position would be for someone laying at 10% worse
than SP. These figures are all worked out to the nearest pound, so I can't claim
they're 100% accurate to the penny. My own are.

Actual Results:

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75%


September strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 12 wins from 16 selections = 75%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£75.90)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.53%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.53%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (2.53%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2924.10
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£115)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.83%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.83%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (3.83%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2881.00
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12

See you tomorrow, if there are any readers left after today! :-[
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The Second Day ...* 8)

Sunday 4th September ...

Just the 6 today (and that's quite a lot for a Sunday) ...*

Compton Quay 2.35 Fontwell ...


Lightning Star 3.10 Fontwell ...
Whitethorne 3.20 York ...
Ballynattin Buck 4.05 Worcester ...
Monterey Bay 4.30 Galway ...
Ali D 5.30 York ...

Lays, not bets to back!*

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Results Update: Day 2 ...

Compton Quay 2.35 Fontwell ... 11/4, 4, £18* ;D


Lightning Star 3.10 Fontwell ... 2/1, 3.25, £30* ;D
Whitethorne 3.20 York ... 13/2, 7.2, £18* ;D
Ballynattin Buck 4.05 Worcester ... 9/2, 7, £18* ;D
Monterey Bay 4.30 Galway ... non-runner
Ali D 5.30 York ... 13/2, 9.2, £12* ;D

Comments:

I lost out by not being able to lay Ali D at SP, because it meant that I won a backer's
stake of only £12 instead of £18 (it happens).

Got all the bets on in about 2 minutes, today. It's all a lot easier than my long-winded
explanations make it look. Was just clarifying the situation here and trying to answer

all the questions I could think of - they'll get shorter.*

Profits (if the horse lost) are the amount shown as the backer's stake. Losses (if it

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won) are worked out by subtracting 1 from the exchange price and multiplying the
result by the stake. But there were no losses today, mercifully, and my profits were

£96.00 less 5% commission, which is £91.20 ...* *

My original £3,000 bank now stands at £3015.30, a profit of 0.51%.

This means that the backers' stakes to which I lay tomorrow will increase.

Actual Results:

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 5 selections = 100%*


September strike-rate: 17 wins from 21 selections = 80.95%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 17 wins from 21 selections = 80.95%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £96
Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.28%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.051%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 0.051%
Tomorrow's bank: £3015.30
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.15/£18.09/£12.06

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £96
Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.33%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.1%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (0.1%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2997.00
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12
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Nicely done.
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Nice thread Maria, keep them coming 8)


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WELL DONE ;D
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Very nice so far, Maria! It looks good to me albeit a few too many selections. Let's see
how it continues!

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09-05-2005, 11:54 AM

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Thank you, guys ... :-*

There are many selections, yes (though not normally anything like we had on
Saturday); but it's a high-volume system: the aim is that every lay is a "value bet"
and although there will always be losers (horses winning), in the long run the higher
the turnover, the more steadily the "edge" gets exerted ... that's the theory anyway
... :-\

"There's safety in numbers."

Ok, pressing on ... The Third Day ... Monday 5th September ...

5 lays for today ...

Sofinella 2.20 Warwick ...


Archimboldo 2.40 Bath ...
Stepping Up 2.30 Newcastle ...
Binty 4.00 Newcastle ...
Askwith 5.00 Newcastle ...

I think these should all be within the 11 (10/1) cut-off. Binty's the borderline one, but
I'll be leaving my lay unmatched at 11 and we'll just have to see if it gets taken. It's
quite possible that I might have to exclude it from either or both sets of results, of
course. Some of the "SP+10%" lays will get cut off by never having been available
within the price cut-off on the exchanges, but fortunately this is easy to see there on
their little charts. For anyone following the system and laying them, of course, it's
much easier: all you have to do if one is "too high priced" is leave your bet unmatched
at 11. Either it's taken or not: you don't need to keep checking like I occasionally have
to for the slightly artificla purposes of compiling this thread ... ???

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Note:

In the post above, when discussing whether the horses might not be available to lay
within the cut-off, I meant to say "Askwith". I don't want to go back into the post and
edit it after the racing's started, because I always think a post look a bit suspicious if
it's been edited after one of the horses mentioned in it has already run ... ???

I mention this only for clarity. None of it is significant to anyone following the system,
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because all you need to do with the occasional high-priced one is leave your lay
unmatched at 11: you don't need to be online for more than a few minutes a day to
do all of these (and I'm sometimes not).

I meant to spell "artificial" correctly in the last line, as well!


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Results Update: Day 3 ...

Sofinella 2.20 Warwick ... non-runner


Archimboldo 2.40 Bath ... 3/1, 3.9, £18* :'(
Stepping Up 2.30 Newcastle ... 13/2, 7.6, £12* :'(
Binty 4.00 Newcastle ... 10/1, 11, £12* ;D
Askwith 5.00 Newcastle ... 10/1, 10.5, £12* ;D

Comments:

Not possible to lay either Binty or Askwith at SP+10% within the cut-off today, so
they must both be excluded from the "SP+10%" results, to keep it honest. In reality, I
had no difficulty laying both within the cut-off, though, so they're in my actual results

...*

My profits today came to £22.80 (that's £24 minus 5% exchange commission) but my
losses were £131.40, leaving a net loss of £108.60 ...* :'(

My guess is that from doing 2 separate sets of results like this, we're going to
learn that the quick-and-easy practicality is much better than one might
think: leaving lays unmatched at 11 will result in some profits (but very, very
few losses, I hope) which the "artificial system" of calculating as 10% above
SP excludes because of the cut-off ... but I might turn out to be wrong, of
course ...* :-\

Miserable poxy results, today: my original £3,000 bank has now fallen to £2906.70, a
loss of 3.11%. But I'll still be laying to backer's stakes of £30.15, £18.09 and £12.06
tomorrow, with the "ratchet" system of not reducing the stakes.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 2 wins from 4 selections = 50%
September strike-rate: 19 wins from 25 selections = 76%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 19 wins from 25 selections = 76%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£108.60)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.54%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.11%)

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: (3.11%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2906.70
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.15/£18.09/£12.06

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£145.20)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.84%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.94%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (4.94%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2851.80
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12
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Well done Maria

09-06-2005, 11:56 AM

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And on the Fourth Day ... :

... the system produced 7 lays, all currently under the price cut-off and a couple very

short ...

Fusili 1.50 Lingfield ...


Riyalma 2.10 Leicester ...
Charming Ballet 2.20 Lingfield ...
Rosthwaite 3.00 Catterick ...
Phluke 3.30 Catterick ...
Avicia 4.50 Lingfield ...
Red Opera 5.00 Catterick ...

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Results Update: Day 4 ...

Fusili 1.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 6.6, £18.09 ;D


Riyalma 2.10 Leicester ... 4/1, 6.0 £18.09 ;D
Charming Ballet 2.20 Lingfield ... 4/1, 6.4, £18.09 ;D
Rosthwaite 3.00 Catterick ... 7/1, £10, £12.06 ;D
Phluke 3.30 Catterick ... 9/2, 6.0, £18.09 ;D
Avicia 4.50 Lingfield ... 9/2, 4.7, £18.09 ;D

And then, just when it looked like such a nice day, a wheel had to come off ...

Red Opera 5.00 Catterick ... evens, 2.2, £30.15 :'( > ???

Comments:

Red Opera the only winner, and for once my actual lay and SP+10% were at the same
figure (it only matters when they win, obviously). The trick with an obvious short-
priced favourite - not that there are many in this system, to be honest - is of course to
try to put your lay on later rather than earlier in the expectation that it will shorten; or
failing that, just to leave it unmatched at a slightly better figure than is available if
you can only look at lunch-time, in the confident expectation that it will shorten (you
might just miss the very occasional one this way, I suppose, but it won't make much
difference in the long run).

My profits today came to £97.38 (that's £102.51 minus 5% exchange commission)


but Red Opera cost me £36.18, so the day's net profit came down to £61.20.

The bank has now recovered a bit, to £2967.90, a loss of only 1.07% of the original
£3000. And of course I'll still be laying to backer's stakes of £30.15, £18.09 and

£12.06 tomorrow ...

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71%
September strike-rate: 25 wins from 32 selections = 78.12%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 25 wins from 32 selections = 78.12%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £61.20
Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.31%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.07%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: (1.07%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2967.90
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.15/£18.09/£12.06

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £61.20

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.35%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.7%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (2.7%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2919.00
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30/£18/£12

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i think i need another aspirin


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Keep taking the tablets, Divna, and you'll be ok in the morning! :-*
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The Fifth Day, Wedesday 7th September ...

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Macvel 1.15 Doncaster ...
Irish Wolf 2.00 Uttoxeter ...
Baltic King 2.25 Doncaster ...
Staff Nurse 2.35 Uttoxeter ...
Red Duster 3.15 Epsom ...
Sardagna 4.15 Uttoxeter ...
Percy's Pearl 4.40 Doncaster ...
Dream Tonic 5.00 Epsom ...

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Ressults Update: Day 5 ...

Finally a clean sweep today, and all at good, layable prices ...*

Macvel 1.15 Doncaster ... 7/1, 9.1, £12.06* ;D


Irish Wolf 2.00 Uttoxeter ... 3/1, 3.4, £30.15* ;D
Baltic King 2.25 Doncaster ... 8/1, 8.8, £12.06* ;D
Staff Nurse 2.35 Uttoxeter ... 7/2, 4.6, £18.09* ;D
Red Duster 3.15 Epsom ... 5/2, 3.4, £30.15* ;D
Sardagna 4.15 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.2, £18.09* ;D
Percy's Pearl 4.40 Doncaster ... 7/2, 4.8, £18.09* ;D
Dream Tonic 5.00 Epsom ... 10/1, 9.1, £12.06* ;D

Comments:
Red Duster (which gave me a scary moment when it ran pretty well!) was not quite so
good for the SP+10% results today, because its SP of 5/2 means that the articificially
inflated laying price put it into the next bracket, therefore winning only £18.09 rather
than £30.15.

My profits today came to £143.21 (that's £150.75 minus 5% exchange commission),


and no losses, so the bank reaches a new high of £3111.11 and tomorrow I'll be
laying to backers' stakes of £31.11, £18.66 and £12.44.

Results:

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100.00%*


September strike-rate: 33 wins from 40 selections = 82.5%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 33 wins from 40 selections = 82.5%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £143.21
Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.82%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.7%

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3.7%
Tomorrow's bank: £3111.11
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £31.11/£18.66/£12.44

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £131.75
Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.51%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.69%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 1.69%
Tomorrow's bank: £3050.75
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.50/£18.30/£12.20

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09-07-2005, 11:07 PM

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Nice results today Maria - great stuff


Following this with great interest

Thanks for your efforts

All the best

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Thanks very much, Telstar ... always nice to know ...

The Sixth Day ... Thursday 8th September ...

Some of these are currently available to lay at very short prices which could
("therefore") easily shorten even further ... 8)

Texas Gold 2.10 Doncaster ...


Bridal Path 2.20 Epsom ...
Nasheej 2.45 Doncaster ...

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Cupid's Glory 2.55 Epsom ...
Burgundy 4.05 Epsom ...
Rustler 4.40 Epsom ...
Night Storm 4.55 Bath ...
Pine Bay 5.15 Epsom ...

It would be really pushing our luck to hope for another clean sweep today ... :-\ :-\ :-
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Results Update: Day 6 ...

Texas Gold 2.10 Doncaster ... 7/2, 3.3, £31.11* ;D


Bridal Path 2.20 Epsom ... 5/4, 2.42, £31.11* ;D
Nasheej 2.45 Doncaster ... 4/1, 4.6, £18.66* :'(
Cupid's Glory 2.55 Epsom ... evens, 2.3, £31.11* ;D
Burgundy 4.05 Epsom ... 11/2, 6.2, £18.66* ;D
Rustler 4.40 Epsom ... 6/4, 2.9, £31.11* ;D
Night Storm 4.55 Bath ... 4/1, 5.1, £18.66* :'(
Pine Bay 5.15 Epsom ... 7/1, 8.6, £12.44* ;D

Comments:
Not so clever today: only the tiniest of profits ...* :-\

Can hardly object to Nasheej winning after being tipped here by Amy ...*
... but Night Storm also trotting up was most unpleasant and unexpected, for this

thread anyway ...*

My profits today came to £147.76 (that's £155.54 minus 5% exchange commission),


but the losses were £143.68, so the bank gained only £4.08 on balance, reaching
£3115.19. Still enough to increase the stakes pro rata, of course, and tomorrow I'll be
laying to backers' stakes of £31.15, £18.69 and £12.46.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75.00%
September strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £4.08
Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.13%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.83%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3.83%

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Tomorrow's bank: £3115.19
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £31.15/£18.69/£12.46

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£16.45)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.54%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.14%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 1.14%
Tomorrow's bank: £3034.3
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £30.50/£18.30/£12.20

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Hello maria, Im new to this board.

Im just wondering why its a bad thing Night Storm won, I thought you had it down to
win?

I betted on it, so I was a happy man.

Like i said im new to this board so excuse me if im missing something.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Could_happen


Im just wondering why its a bad thing Night Storm won, I thought you had it down
to win?
Hi and welcome, Could Happen, apologies for my confusing and unexplained

comment, and well done for backing it! ...

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This thread is for laying, i.e. horses to lose. So it was a bad thing for this thread that
Night Storm won.

In my other thread, "Maria's System Selections", which I think you're referring to, the
same horse was a system selection, and I had a win bet on it, too.

I run these 2 different systems (one for winners in handicaps in the other thread, and
one for losers to lay in this thread).

It's perfectly possible (because the selection criteria are unrelated) for the same horse
to pop up in both systems. Obviously it makes no logical sense to back the horse and
lay it (unless you can do so at different prices, by "trading" on the exchanges and lock
in a profit regardless of the result, I suppose). But 2 separate systems need 2
separate banks, and I even use 2 separate betting accounts for them as well, just to
keep them well apart. So when this happens (and it's really, really rare), I do actually
back the horse on one account and lay it on the other. Sounds weird, I know, but it
makes it very easy for me to follow what's going on and to keep the books straight.

Although I suppose it costs me a few pounds in wasted commission, it avoids any


confusion for me with my results.

The stakes I use in this thread are on the small side - I have a separate bank of
£3000 allocated for this system, and no one result is going to make or break the
system anyway. My other account (for the win bets in handicaps) is the one I use for
my own "other system" selections and also for following Pete's bets in his thread of
handicap win bet selections here, and the amounts of money I stake on each selection
are way, way higher. But note that that thread, and Pete's thread, don't have a high
strike-rate, and you need to work out what to stake on them (if you're following them
at all, I mean) very carefully, because both systems can have some really, really long
losing runs.

Pete's system has made a profit of about 135 points over the last 170 days to level
stakes at starting price. Mine is actually making a loss at the moment to level stakes
at starting price. Both these systems are not for the faint-hearted and need a lot of

capital or very small bets, or both!

Do feel free to post any questions here, and I'll answer if I can, and other people
probably will, too.

I just hope my answer hasn't made the matter more opaque instead of clearer?! :-[
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Cheers for the reply, much appreciated.

I understand what you mean now. When I joined the board I was looking at your
thread for a few tips and some of them have paid off, so thank you for that.

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I only bet in small amount myself to be honest, last couple days ive been about 15
quid up, which isn't alot but I enjoy the betting side of it.

Thanks again for your help.

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£115.00 plus on £3,000 in less than 1 week isn't a bad rate of interest! Long may it
last!

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Thanks, Wolf ... I'm afraid it can be a bit "swingy", though ... there will be losing
months (and this might still be one of them) but I've worked out from the last year's
results that my £3000 starting bank ought to be enough to ride out any storms and be

comfortably in profit after another year. "Famous last words?"


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The Seventh Day ... Friday 9th September ...

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9 lays today ...

Ecomium 1.40 Doncaster ...


Backstreet Lad 1.55 Bangor ...
Niobe 2.10 Doncaster ...
Sound And Vision 2.25 Bangor ...
My Immortal 2.45 Doncaster ...
Ela Paparouna 3.10 Sandown ...
Very Wise 3.45 Sandown ...
Matty Tun 4.30 Doncaster ...
Castle Oliver 5.15 Bangor ...

Good luck!
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Results Update: Day 7 ...

No complaints today ...

Ecomium 1.40 Doncaster ... 11/4, 3.4, £31.15 ;D


Backstreet Lad 1.55 Bangor ... 10/3, 4.8, £18.69 ;D
Niobe 2.10 Doncaster ... 11/2, 5.4, £18.69 ;D
Sound And Vision 2.25 Bangor ... 5/1, 5.7, £18.69 ;D
My Immortal 2.45 Doncaster ... 11/2, 7.2, £18.69 ;D
Ela Paparouna 3.10 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.2, £18.69 ;D
Very Wise 3.45 Sandown ... 4/1, 5.8, £18.69 ;D
Matty Tun 4.30 Doncaster ... 13/2, 7.0, £18.69 ;D
Castle Oliver 5.15 Bangor ... 8/1*, 9.2, £12.24 ;D

Comments:
* This SP for Castle Oliver is a complete guess, since for some reason although the
horse ran, its SP isn't shown on the SportingLife results page. Since it came nowhere,
and we lay to fixed backer's stakes (of £12.24, in this case) it's not relevant to our
result, anyway (+£12.24, obviously). But for the record, when I find the actual SP
tomorrow I'll come back to this post, fill it in and delete this paragraph ... ???

My profits today came to £165.51 (that's £174.22 minus 5% exchange commission),


and no losses, so the bank has reached a new high of £3280.70.

The stakes increase pro rata and tomorrow I'll be laying to backers' stakes of £32.80,
£19.68 and £13.12.

Results:

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Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 9 selections = 100.00%
September strike-rate: 48 wins from 57 selections = 84.21%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 48 wins from 57 selections = 84.21%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £165.51
Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.31%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.35%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 9.35%
Tomorrow's bank: £3280.70
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12.

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £162.26)
Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.34%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.85%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 6.85%
Tomorrow's bank: £3196.56
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78

;D
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Sveika, Maria!

Are you in the UK? As you see from my first words I guess I know where you or your
family are from. Am I right? As you may guess from my name, I am from the same
area. I decided to write in English in case I am wrong. Anyway please excuse my

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mistakes in English. At least I can spellcheck.

I am here silently since before you started your handicaps thread. I thought I know
your name and maybe who you are from another site so I stayed here.

I am a lecturer and researcher in maths and statistics. I used Betfair to lay for 18
months now. I subscribe to two quite good lay tipping services with selections mostly
the same prices as yours. But not free like yours and not so good this week also. I am
in profit over 18 months but not easily.

The problems with laying to fixed stakes and laying to fixed risks are exactly as you
say at the start of this thread.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your brilliant staking system. It's really clever. I
was looking at it all week. The cleverness is hidden in the design and it's so simple to
use. I think you made this system sound harder to do than it really is. Over a long
time you really combine the most profits with the smallest risks. I checked my lay
results from 18 months carefully and if I use your staking system I make twice as
much profit and I live in less danger also. Now I feel very stupid because I never
thought of this staking system.

You are right that the year's results mean something, the month's results do not. How
long do you have records from?

In an ideal world you may change the bank and the stakes after every bet not after
every day. But of course this is more difficult to do.

Trusting you I started off with £3,000 on day 1 also with a bank just for your lays.
Now I have £3,305 so I was a little luckier than you this week with prices. Usually I
just do them all together quickly and hope for the best, very easy this way. Good to
see you give real live results not inflated figures.

I think this system always make less profits at 10% above SP. This is just not real.
People say that it's difficult to lay at SP on average but this is false. Sometimes better
and sometimes worse is true. I think some people are just against laying. I often lay
your selections better than SP because SP goes higher.

Shall I post my own results from your selections here every month so that we
compare?

How long will you stay doing this thread?

I congratulate you. I wish you more success. I hope this will be the most profitable
thread of this great site.

Visu labu,
Janis

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Sveiks, Janis!

Many thanks for your very flattering comments and your interesting post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


I guess I know where you or your family are from. Am I right?
"Mmjaaa!" ;D

But how on earth did you guess? It's not as if there are many of us over here ... and
my English is pretty fluent now, I hope ... and yes, you must write in English here. But
if you send me your email address by private message I will send you something in a

better language ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


How long do you have records from?
After another week I will have a complete year's results, but please don't ask for the
details, for two reasons: first, apart from "general betting gossip" I quote results only
if I have tipped the bet in the same place before the race (and that obviously can't
apply to historical results) and secondly, it can start arguments, and this site - unlike
some others - is so very pleasant and friendly that that's absolutely the last thing I'd
ever want to do. I will say that I started off almost a year ago with £1000 and the
current £3000 bank has all come out of the net profits from the same system, but that
doesn't mean that the next year will be anything like as good, obviously. It might
even be a losing year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


In an ideal world you may change the bank and the stakes after every bet not after
every day.
Yes, I completely agree. But one can't do this and retain the ability to go out in the
afternoons and browse all the shoe-shops and book-shops, and I'm just not prepared
to live glued to the screen. I sometimes do it, but only when I feel like it, not because
I have to. I do this instead of a job because I want it to support me and leave me free
to live a life here, not because I want it become a "job".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


Trusting you I started off with £3,000 on day 1 also with a bank just for your lays.

"You mad, reckless fool!" ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


I think this system always make less profits at 10% above SP. This is just not real.
Yes, I completely agree with this. But if I did it using SP people would imagine
(wrongly in my opinion) that it's not possible to lay to SP on average, and dismiss the
results. And we all want credibility, naturally. The true results are my own real results,
but I cannot really "prove" them ... :-X

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Janis
I think some people are just against laying.
Mmmmjaaa, maybe ... ???

I suspect that a few punters still have some prejudice against laying because it feels
to them like joining the opposition and becoming a bookie, but not at this site, I think,
and certainly not among people who will read this thread anyway. For myself, I don't
care too much where the money comes from as long as I can spend it in Border's and
Blahnik's ... 8)

But I'm still a long way from doing that out of laying, with only a £3000 bank ... :

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


Shall I post my own results from your selections here every month so that we
compare?
Yes, thank you; great idea. It will be very interesting to see, and you can also perhaps
vouch for the integrity and feasibility of my own results if you do that. I was planning
to post a "round-up of the month" at the end of each calendar month and that would
be a good and welcome time for it. In fact if you will kindly do that regularly, I might
at some future point drop the "SP+10% results" which are so artificial anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis


How long will you stay doing this thread?
Until they jeer me off, I suppose. A wheel will perhaps come off eventually. I believe
that, in principle, no system will last successfully for ever, although our friend Pete is
having a really tremendous run with his, and as long as he keeps the fourth filter
quiet, maybe it can just keep going? (I like "detective work" and I've tried at great
length to work it out but I can't so far; though to be fair, if ever I did I wouldn't
breathe a word anyway, so I might be lying!) I publish the selections happily, but not
the system. And there will come a day when nobody will want it anyway, I dare say.

Visu labu ... ;D


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Looking good, Maria!

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Thank you, Wolf :-*

I hope a wheel doesn't come off today - a busy Saturday with bad weather and so
many selections (why isn't there a smiley for "anxious"?) ...

14 today, I'm afraid, but all of them comfortably available to lay within the 10/1 price
cut-off ...

My guess is that Zaal and Zalimar might shorten, so I'm not in a hurry to lay those
two ...

Listen To Reason 1.30 Wolverhampton ...


Kalani Star 2.20 Musselburgh ...
Malvern Light 2.30 Goodwood ...
Savile's Delight 2.40 Chester ...
Sierra Vista 3.15 Chester ...
Little Miss Gracie 3.30 Musselburgh ...
Salinja 3.40 Goodwood ...
Celebration Song 3.50 Chester ...
Zaal 4.20 Chester ...
Jaassey 4.35 Musselburgh ...
Creative Mind 4.40 Doncaster ...
Zalimar 5.10 Musselburgh ...
Pro Tempore 5.15 Goodwood ...
Golden Boot 5.25 Chester ...

Good luck, and don't forget your umbrella ...


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Results Update: Day 8 ...

Not so clever today ...*

Listen To Reason 1.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.0, £19.68 ;D


Kalani Star 2.20 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 10.2, £13.12 ;D
Malvern Light 2.30 Goodwood ... 16/1*, 6.6, 19.68 ;D

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Savile's Delight 2.40 Chester ... 11/2, 7.0, 19.68 ;D
Sierra Vista 3.15 Chester ... 9/2, 5.6, £19.68 ;D
Little Miss Gracie 3.30 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 9.4, £13.12 ;D
Salinja 3.40 Goodwood ... 8/1, 7.4, £19.68 ;D
Celebration Song 3.50 Chester ... 6/1, 7.8, £13.12 :'(
Zaal 4.20 Chester ... 4/1, 4.1, £19.68 :'(
Jaassey 4.35 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 6.8, £19.68, ;D
Creative Mind 4.40 Doncaster ... 4/1, 6.2, £19.68 ;D
Zalimar 5.10 Musselburgh ... evens, 2.1, £32.80 :'(
Pro Tempore 5.15 Goodwood ... 9/1, 10.4, £13.12 ;D
Golden Boot 5.25 Chester ... 4/1, 5.4, £19.68 :'(

Comments:
* This SP for Malvern Light is very hard to believe. I got my lay on ages before at 6.6.
It could turn out to be a mistake on the SportingLife results pages (wouldn't be the
first time) and if it is, I'll amend it tomorrow. But I'd better leave its profits out of the
"SP+10%" results just in case it's true, because it's miles outside the cut-off. (Talk
about "drifting"!).

My profits today came to £168.26 (that's £177.12 minus 5% exchange commission),


but my losses on the 4 winners came to a staggering £272.99, leaving a net loss on

the day of £104.63 ...

So my bank has now fallen back to £3176.07 but tomorrow I'll still be laying to the
same backers' stakes as today.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 14 selections = 71.42%* :'(
September strike-rate: 58 wins from 71 selections = 81.69%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 58 wins from 71 selections = 81.69%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£104.63)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.19%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.87%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 5.87%
Tomorrow's bank: £3176.07
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12.

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£128.78)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.03%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.26%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 2.26%
Tomorrow's bank: £3067.78
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78

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The Ninth Day ...

Sunday 11th September ...

8 to lay today ... 8)

Cirrus 2.25 Stratford ...


This Is My Song 2.35 Goodwood ...
Charango Star 3.00 Stratford ...
Loughlorien 3.20 Carlisle ...
Knight's Emperor 4.05 Stratford ...
Nudrah 4.15 Goodwood ...
Ostfanni 5.00 Carlisle ...
Kareeb 5.25 Goodwood ...

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Results Update: Day 9 ...

Cirrus 2.25 Stratford ... 7/2, 6.2, £19.68 ;D


This Is My Song 2.35 Goodwood ... 6/1, 7.2 £19.68 ;D
Charango Star 3.00 Stratford ... 9/4, 3.6, £19.68 :'(
Loughlorien 3.20 Carlisle ... 6/1, 7.4, £19.68 ;D
Knight's Emperor 4.05 Stratford ... 5/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D
Nudrah 4.15 Goodwood ... 1/3, 1.3, £32.80 :'(
Ostfanni 5.00 Carlisle ... 4/1, 5.4, £19.68 ;D
Kareeb 5.25 Goodwood ... 7/1, 9.4, £13.12 ;D

Comments:
I'm not going to lose too much sleep over Nudrah winning at 1/3 after the widely
fancied Scandal Keeper had been withdrawn from the race. Accidents don't get much
cheaper than that: I lost only £9.84 laying to win the 1% fixed stake of the bank
(£32.80). Charango Star winning at 9/4 was another matter, and shouldn't be allowed

...

My profits today came to £105.95 (that's £111.52 minus 5% exchange commission),


and my losses were £61.01, making a net profit on the day of £44.94.

The bank has now crept back up to £3221.01 and tomorrow I'll still be laying to the
same backers' stakes as today.

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Results:
Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75%
September strike-rate: 64 wins from 79 selections = 81.01%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 64 wins from 79 selections = 81.01%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £44.94
Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.41%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.37%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 7.37%
Tomorrow's bank: £3221.01
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12.

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £54.84
Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.79%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.09%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 4.09%
Tomorrow's bank: £3112.62
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78

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oh my poor head
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The Tenth Day ... Monday 12th September ...

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Six selections today ... a couple of these might have to be excluded from the SP+10%
results if they drift much, because they might go past the cut-off. But at the moment
they're all layable within our rules ... 8)

Active Audience 2.20 Musselburgh ...


Commentary 2.30 Folkestone ...
Cherished Number 2.50 Musselburgh ...
Triskaidekaphobia 3.50 Musselburgh ...
Awaken 4.10 Redcar ...
Courageously 4.20 Musselburgh ...

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Results Update: Day 10 ...

An unusually bad today, by any standards ...

Active Audience 2.20 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 8.8, £13.12 ;D


Commentary 2.30 Folkestone ... 9/2, 4.6, £19.68 :'(
Cherished Number 2.50 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D
Triskaidekaphobia 3.50 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 7.0, £19.68 ;D
Awaken 4.10 Redcar ... 8/1, 7.8, £13.12 :'(
Courageously 4.20 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 10.5, £13.12 ;D

Comments:
My profits today came to £62.32 (that's £65.60 minus 5% exchange commission), but
my losses were £160.07, making a net loss on the day of £97.75.

The bank has now fallen back to £3123.26 and tomorrow I'll still be laying to the same
backers' stakes as today.

One result made the difference between a small profit and a big loss on the day,
which is partly why I feel so much secure with slightly more selections, I admit. But

we're still in profit, and patience and discipline will see us through ...

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.66% :'(
September strike-rate: 68 wins from 85 selections = 80%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 68 wins from 85 selections = 80%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£97.75)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.03%)

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.11%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 4.11%
Tomorrow's bank: £3123.26
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12.

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£115.02)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.69%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.08%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (0.08%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2997.60
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78

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The Eleventh Day ... Tuesday 13th September ...

No shortage of selections today ... :-\

Cantabilly 2.10 Salisbury ...


Picot De Say 2.20 Yarmouth ...
Jumbajukiba 2.40 Salisbury ...
Northern Boy 3.00 Thirsk ...
Kalankari 3.10 Salisbury ...
Tamalain 3.40 Salisbury ...
Ten Cents 3.50 Yarmouth ...
Mustang Ali 4.30 Thirsk ...
Entertaining 4.50 Yarmouth ...
Top Mark 5.10 Salisbury ...
Whitbarrow 5.20 Yarmouth ...

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Results Update: Day 11 ...

I'm afraid we managed to lose a few pounds today, mostly owing to Jumbajukiba
being the surprise 10/1 winner of the 2.40 at Salisbury ... it really shouldn't be

allowed ... :

Cantabilly 2.10 Salisbury ... 9/1, 9.0, £13.12 ;D


Picot De Say 2.20 Yarmouth ... 9/2, 5.2, £19.68 :'(
Jumbajukiba 2.40 Salisbury ... 10/1, 10.0 £13.12 :'(
Northern Boy 3.00 Thirsk ... 6/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D
Kalankari 3.10 Salisbury ... 5/1, 6.6, £19.68 ;D
Tamalain 3.40 Salisbury ... 7/2, 4.8, £19.68 ;D
Ten Cents 3.50 Yarmouth ... 6/1, 7.2, £19.68 ;D
Mustang Ali 4.30 Thirsk ... 13/2, 7.4, £19.68 ;D
Entertaining 4.50 Yarmouth ... 7/2, 5.0, £19.68 ;D
Top Mark 5.10 Salisbury ... 4/1, 5.6, £19.68 ;D
Whitbarrow 5.20 Yarmouth ... 7/2, 4.8, £19.68 ;D

Comments:
My profits today came to £162.02 (that's 170.56 minus 5% exchange commission),
but my losses were a staggering £200.74, leaving a deficit on the day of £38.71

The bank has now slipped back to £3084.55 and tomorrow I'll still be laying to the
same backers' stakes as today.

Today's strike-rate would normally produce a very reasonable profit: we were just
unlucky today that the highest-priced selection came home. And at least the staking

system protected us from a much worse accident ...

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82%* :'(
September strike-rate: 77 wins from 96 selections = 80.21%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 77 wins from 96 selections = 80.21%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£38.71)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.24%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.82%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2.82%
Tomorrow's bank: £3084.55
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.80, £19.68 and £13.12.

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£71.85)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.4%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.47%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05 (2.47%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2925.75
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £31.96, £19.17 and £12.78

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Results Update: Day 18 ...

Lost a few pounds today; fortunately nothing disastrous ...* :

This is very typical of what happens on days with 9 or 10 selections (as mentioned
above) when there are two surprises ...

Kyoto Summit 1.45 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4 £21.46* ;D


Scarlet Flyer 2.00 Brighton ... 9/2, 5.6 £21.46* :'(
The Plainsman 2.10 Beverley ... 5/1, 6.8, £21.46* ;D
Island Prince 2.40 Beverley ... 17/2, 9.0 £14.30* ;D
Ebraam 2.55 Newmarket ... 9/2, 4.7, £21.46* ;D
Bigalos Bandit 3.15 Beverely ... 4/1, 5.8, £21.46* ;D
Aggravation 3.40 Brighton ... 7/2, 5.0, £21.46* ;D
Melvino 4.50 Brighton ... 9/4, 3.6, £21.46* :'(
Robustian 5.15 Brighton ... 7/2, 4.8 £21.46* ;D

Comments:
My profits today came to £135.90 (that's £143.06 minus 5% exchange commission),
but my losses were £154.52, leaving a net loss of £18.62 on the day.

So the bank is now £3558.65 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's
at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.77%* :P
September strike-rate: 147 wins from 177 selections = 83.05%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 147 wins from 177 selections = 83.05%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£18.62)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.52%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 18.62%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 18.62%
Tomorrow's bank: £3558.65
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£21.58)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.65%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.13%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 9.13%
Tomorrow's bank: £3274.07
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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09-21-2005, 10:46 AM

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It still looks very good to me, Maria.

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Steady-ish month so far ... only one really disastrous day, and a couple of clear days
... it can get a lot more "swingy and adventurous" than this, to be honest ... 8)

The Nineteenth Day ... Wednesday 21st September ...

Nothing special, today ... only 7 and no real shorties ...

Temper Tantrum 2.10 Goodwood ...


Rajaall 2.45 Goodwood ...
Beavor Patrol 3.20 Goodwood ...
Aimee Vibert 4.15 Redcar ...
Zayn Zen 4.30 Goodwood ...
Jilly Why 4.50 Redcar ...
Kennington 5.55 Redcar ...

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Results Update: Day 19 ...

Bad day today ... one too many bets lost ... >

Temper Tantrum 2.10 Goodwood ... 8/1, 8.2, £14.30 ;D


Rajaall 2.45 Goodwood ... 4/1, 5.9, £21.46 ;D
Beaver Patrol 3.20 Goodwood ... 6/1, 7.8, £14.30 :'(
Aimee Vibert 4.15 Redcar ... 6/1, 7.0, £21.46 ;D
Zayn Zen 4.30 Goodwood ... 8/1, 8.4, £14.30 ;D
Jilly Why 4.50 Redcar ... 13/2, 6.4, £21.46 ;D
Kennington 5.55 Redcar ... 8/1, 8.0, £14.30 :'(

Comments:
My profits today came to £88.33 (that's £92.98 minus 5% exchange commission), but
my losses were £211.64, leaving a net loss of £123.31 on the day.

So the bank is now £3435.34 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's
at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.42%* >


September strike-rate: 152 wins from 184 selections = 82.61%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 152 wins from 184 selections = 82.61%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£123.31)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.46%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.51%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 14.51%
Tomorrow's bank: £3435.34
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£121.58)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.71%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.08%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 5.08%
Tomorrow's bank: £3152.49
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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The Twentieth Day ... Thursday 22nd September ...

"Lays at all prices today" ... 8)

I'm not for a moment suggesting that all of these will lose their races (in fact that
would be virtually impossible) but there really do seem to be some
tremendous value lays available today, and I'll be really disappointed if I'm not in
profit at the end of the day, out of this lot ...

Millquista D'Or 2.10 Fontwell ...


Catch The Perk 2.20 Perth ...
Amy Louise 2.30 Pontefract ...
Antica 2.30 Pontefract ...
Lucky Arthur 2.40 Fontwell ...
Damelza 3.00 Pontefract ...
Lightin Jack 3.10 Fontwell ...
Mr Mischief 3.20 Perth ...
Miss Merenda 3.40 Fontwell ...
Risky Way 3.50 Perth ...
Roman Candle 4.10 Fontwell ...
Feanor 4.20 Perth ...
Romany Dream 4.40 Fontwell ...
Native Chancer 5.10 Fontwell ...
Yourman 5.10 Fontwell ...

Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 20 ...

Very disappointing, today ... four was definitely one winner too many: any one of the
four could have made the difference between a profitable and a losing day (and that's

all too often the case, unfortunately) ... >

Millquista D'Or 2.10 Fontwell ... 8/1, 9.2, £14.30 ;D


Catch The Perk 2.20 Perth ... 7/2, 3.4, £35.77 ;D
Amy Louise 2.30 Pontefract ... evens, 2.4, £35.77 ;D
Antica 2.30 Pontefract ... 13/2, 7.4, £21.46 ;D
Lucky Arthur 2.40 Fontwell ... 5/1, 6.0 £21.46 ;D
Damelza 3.00 Pontefract ... 15/2, 7.8, £14.30 :'(
Lightin Jack 3.10 Fontwell ... 9/4, 3.1, £35.77 ;D
Mr Mischief 3.20 Perth ... 7/4, 2.74, £35.77 ;D
Miss Merenda 3.40 Fontwell ... 4/1, 5.0, £21.46 :'(
Risky Way 3.50 Perth ... 9/1, 8.6, £14.30 ;D

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Roman Candle 4.10 Fontwell ... 4/1, 4.2 £21.46 :'(
Feanor 4.20 Perth ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D
Romany Dream 4.40 Fontwell ... 9/2, 5.5, £21.46 ;D
Native Chancer 5.10 Fontwell ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.46 ;D
Yourman 5.10 Fontwell ... 2/1, 3.6, £21.46 :'(

Comments:
My profits today came to £273.13 (that's £287.51 minus 5% exchange commission),
but my losses were £307.55, leaving a net loss of £34.42 on the day.

So the bank is now £3400.92 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's
at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 15 selections = 73.33%* >


September strike-rate: 163 wins from 199 selections = 81.91%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 163 wins from 199 selections = 81.91%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£34.42)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.0%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.36%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 13.36%
Tomorrow's bank: £3400.92
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£47.88)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.52%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.49%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 3.49%
Tomorrow's bank: £3104.61
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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The Twenty-First Day ...

Friday 23rd September ...

A busy day for laying again today (I'm pleased to say, with the weather/going being
as unreliable as they are), and some real shorties today ... 8)

Polliwilline 1.30 Haydock ...

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Noble Sham 2.10 Worcester ...
Squadron Leader 2.20 Lingfield ...
Reviving 2.30 Haydock ...
Ofaraby 2.50 Lingfield ...
Charlie Delta 3.00 Haydock ...
Qabas 3.10 Warwick ...
Fall In Line 3.25 Lingfield ...
Doctored 3.35 Haydock ...
Smart Boy Prince 3.45 Worcester ...
Hinterland 4.05 Haydock ...
Hey Presto 4.30 Lingfield ...
Call Me Max 5.00 Lingfield ...
Bethany's Boy 5.10 Haydock ...

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Results Update: Day 21 ...

Polliwilline 1.30 Haydock ... 11/2, 7.8, £14.30 :'(


Noble Sham 2.10 Worcester ... 15/8, 2.8, £35.77 :'(
Squadron Leader 2.20 Lingfield ... 2/1, 3.25, £35.77 ;D
Reviving 2.30 Haydock ... 4/1, 5.4, £21.46 ;D
Ofaraby 2.50 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.4, £21.46 ;D
Charlie Delta 3.00 Haydock ... 5/1, 4.8, £21.46 ;D
Qabas 3.10 Warwick ... 13/8, 2.64, £35.77 ;D
Fall In Line 3.25 Lingfield ... 10/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D
Doctored 3.35 Haydock ... 11/2, 6.8, £21.46 ;D
Smart Boy Prince 3.45 Worcester ... 6/1, 6.8, £21.46 ;D
Hinterland 4.05 Haydock ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.46 :'(
Hey Presto 4.30 Lingfield ... 12/1!, 11.0, £14.30 ;D
Call Me Max 5.00 Lingfield ... 11/4, 3.4, £35.77 ;D
Bethany's Boy 5.10 Haydock ... 8/1, 6.2, £21.46 ;D

Comments:
I'm really dismayed today. Noble Sham was a real "value lay", typical of the kind that
can go wrong; Hinterland was just the sort of coup that will happen from time to time;
but Polliwilline was just a plain "accident", in other words the system went wrong by
selecting it. All very unfortunate. And at the end of the day, I've made only £6.49 on

what should have been a good day! :

And the "SP+10%" results have even made a loss because I had to exclude Hey
Presto from them. I got my lay matched at 11.0 with no problem, but the SP was

12/1, so we can't count the profit from that one!

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My profits today came to £258.24 (that's £271.83 minus 5% exchange commission),
but my losses were a very unfortunate £251.75, leaving a net profit of only £6.49.

So the bank is now £3407.41 and the backers' stakes remain unchanged from today's
at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.57%* >


September strike-rate: 174 wins from 213 selections = 81.69%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 174 wins from 213 selections = 81.69%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £6.49
Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.19%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.58%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 13.58%
Tomorrow's bank: £3407.41
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£17.20)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.55%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.91%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 2.91%
Tomorrow's bank: £3087.41
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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The Twenty-Second Day ...

Sorry to be a abit late posting these, today ... :

"Bargains at all prices" today ... some real stinkers ... some real shorties ... and a

couple I'll have to leave unmatched at 11.0 assuming they'll be taken ...

Ouija Board 2.00 Newmarket ...


Goblet Of Fire 2.10 Market Rasen ...
London Express 2.20 Ripon ...
Astrocharm 2.35 Newmarket ...
Fool On The Hill 2.45 Market Rasen ...
Primus Inter Pares 3.00 Haydock ...

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Alexandrova 3.05 Newmarket ...
Penny Thoughts 3.20 Ripon ...
Trinculo 3.35 Haydock ...
Whirling 3.50 Market Rasen ...
Imperial Sword 3.55 Ripon ...
Special Moment 4.05 Haydock ...
Prairie Sun 4.25 Market Rasen ...
Sienna Storm 4.35 Haydock ...
Clinet 4.50 Newmarket ...
Linda Green 5.30 Ripon ...

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Results Update: Day 22 ...

Ouija Board 2.00 Newmarket ... 11/8, 2.38, £35.77* :'(


Goblet Of Fire 2.10 Market Rasen ... 9/2, 5.4, £21.46* ;D
London Express 2.20 Ripon ... 11/4, 3.7, £21.46* :'(
Astrocharm 2.35 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.2, £14.30* ;D
Fool On The Hill 2.45 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.8, £14.30* ;D
Primus Inter Pares 3.00 Haydock ... 8/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D
Alexandrova 3.05 Newmarket ... 11/4, 3.4, £35.77* ;D
Penny Thoughts 3.20 Ripon ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.46* ;D
Trinculo 3.35 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D
Whirling 3.50 Market Rasen ... 5/1, 6.2, £21.46* :'(
Imperial Sword 3.55 Ripon ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D
Special Moment 4.05 Haydock ... 15/2, 7.4, £21.46* ;D
Prairie Sun 4.25 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 4.5, £21.46* ;D
Sienna Storm 4.35 Haydock ... 4/1, 4.8, £21.46* :'(
Clinet 4.50 Newmarket ... 10/1, 11.0, £14.30* ;D
Linda Green 5.30 Ripon ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46* ;D

Comments:
Another bad day. I suppose if you include the real "value shorties" (which are such
profitable lays over the long run), you can't object too much to a couple of them
scraping home on the same day... these are cheap, anyway ... :P

My profits today came to £237.83 (that's £250.35 minus 5% exchange commission),


but my losses were £300.44, leaving a net loss of £62.61 on the day.

So the bank is now £3344.80 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying
will remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:

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Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75%* >
September strike-rate: 186 wins from 229 selections = 81.22%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 174 wins from 213 selections = 81.22%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£62.61)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.84%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.49%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 11.49%
Tomorrow's bank: £3344.80
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£86.25)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.79%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.04%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 0.04%
Tomorrow's bank: £3001.16
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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Sveiks! I believe the English expression for being there in time to see the prices but
not in time to get your lay on, when the horse wins, is a very specific colloquial idiom:

it's called "You jammy bastard!" ...

In the long run, you must decide whether your lunch is more important than the
racing. I do not wish to moralise: it is a matter for your own conscience ... :P

Anyway, you did the right thing not backing it "in running", obviously ... though if you

wish to try that some time I can recommend a good psychiatrist ...

You are exactly right, I lost £64.38 on this one and that only because I got my lay on

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at 4.0 which turned out to be fortunate, in the circumstances ... >

Clear Vision is a non-runner, in case you didn't see. So now you are about £95 up and
I am about £30 up.

Good luck & visu labu ... 8)

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Damn ... Rajeem the very unexpected winner of the 3.55 Nottingham ...

"Relevant siblings" hold a less than 3% record over 1m at Nottingham, trainer hasn't
had a winner for over 3 weeks, and had only 2 winners out of the last 70-ish races ...

what can you do? I am always laying that one ... >

Will be lucky to make anything at all on the day, now; and we might be staring a loss

in the face ...

:'(

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Results Update: Day 25 ...

Queen's Pudding 1.35 Nottingham ... 4/1, 4.0, £21.46 :'(


Seven Samurai 2.00 Goodwood ... 8/1, 9.6, £14.30 ;D
Attorney 2.10 Nottingham ... 6/1, 5.7, £21.46 ;D
Dead Man's Dante 2.20 Sedgefield ... 10/3, 3.9, £21.46 ;D
Missatacama 2.30 Goodwood ... 7/1, 7.4 £21.46 ;D
Always Flying 2.55 Sedgefield ... 9/1, 10.0 £14.30 ;D
Clear Vision 3.20 Nottingham ... non-runner
Rajeem 3.55 Nottingham ... 17/2, 8.4, £14.30 :'(
Spanish Rainbow 3.55 Nottingham ... 4/1, 5.6, £21.46 ;D
Paradise Mill 4.15 Goodwood ... 2/1, 3.7, £21.46 :'(
Billie John 4.40 Sedgefield ... 6/1, 7.0, £21.46 ;D
Mr Mischief 5.15 Sedgefield ... 6/5, 2.2, £35.77 :'(
Singlet 5.40 Nottingham ... 9/4, 3.3, £35.77 ;D

Comments:
See comments in the post above about Rajeem. In the long run, it's very profitable
laying horses with those statistics. Today was one of the rare days when it isn't. I lost
£108 today, more than £105 of it on Rajeem. Frustrating, but laying isn't a very
smooth stroll and one needs time for large numbers to assert themselves, as it were
... :-\

My profits today came to £163.08 (that's £171.67 minus 5% exchange commission),


but my losses were £271.08, leaving a loss of exactly £108 on the day ...

So the bank is now £3238.61 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying
will remain unchanged from today's at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 13 selections = 69.23%


September strike-rate: 208 wins from 259 selections = 80.31%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 208 wins from 259 selections = 80.31%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£108)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.23%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.95%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 7.95%
Tomorrow's bank: £3238.61
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: (£148.04)
Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.03%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (7.01%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: (7.01%)
Tomorrow's bank: £2789.53
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

"Better luck tomorrow", as they say ... :P

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The Twenty-Sixth Day ...

Wednesday 28th September ...

Northside Lodge 2.00 Salisbury ...


Dancing Flame 2.10 Newcastle ...
Marmooq 2.40 Newcastle ...
Stonehaugh 3.10 Newcastle ...
Villa Sonata 3.50 Lingfield ...
Grantley Adams 4.00 Salisbury ...
Beyonce 4.20 Lingfield ...
Goodenough Mover 4.30 Salisbury ...
Passion Fruit 4.40 Newcastle ...
Winning Venture 4.50 Lingfield ...
San Deng 5.20 Lingfield ...

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Results Update: Day 26 ...

Northside Lodge 2.00 Salisbury ... 9/2, 5.6, £21.46 ;D


Dancing Flame 2.10 Newcastle ... 10/1, 11.0, £14.30 ;D
Marmooq 2.40 Newcastle ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D
Stonehaugh 3.10 Newcastle ... 9/2, 5.9, £21.46 ;D
Villa Sonata 3.50 Lingfield ... 11/4, 3.3, £35.77 ;D
Grantley Adams 4.00 Salisbury ... 11/4, 3.4, £35.77 ;D
Beyonce 4.20 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.2, £21.46 ;D
Goodenough Mover 4.30 Salisbury ... 6/1, 7.0, £21.46 ;D
Passion Fruit 4.40 Newcastle ... 4/1, 4.1, £21.46 ;D
Winning Venture 4.50 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £14.30 ;D
San Deng 5.20 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.8, £14.30 ;D

Comments:
My profits today came to £231.04 (that's £243.20 minus 5% exchange commission),

and no losses ...

So the bank has crept back up as far as £3469.65 but not yet reached a new high, so
tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged from today's
at £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 11 selections = 100% ;D
September strike-rate: 219 wins from 270 selections = 81.11%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 219 wins from 270 selections = 81.11%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £231.04
Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.13%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.65%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 15.65%
Tomorrow's bank: £3469.65
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £35.77, £21.46 and £14.30

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £212.86
Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.63%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.08%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 0.08%
Tomorrow's bank: £3002.39
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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It looks like a very good day to me, Maria! Keep going!

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The Twenty-Seventh Day ... Thursday 29th September ...

Not so many selections today, I'm afraid (for me, most of the "affordable stinkers"
were at Hereford) ... which naturally increases the overall risk a bit ... :-\

Wake Up Maggie 2.10 Newmarket ...


Charles Parnell 2.35 Ayr ...
Pivotal's Princess 3.20 Newmarket ...
Yomalo 4.30 Newmarket ...
Quantica 4.55 Ayr ...
Spring Pursuit 5.55 Ayr ...

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3.20pm ... I'm still unmatched at 11.0 on Quantica in the 4.55 at Ayr. The lowest
price at which bets has been matched so far was 12.0. Can't be bothered to watch any
more, so I'm going out now and leaving it unmatched. It looks as if this one might
remain unmatched (the first since I started posting them!), in which case I'll just have

to excude it from the results ...* :

(You can lay it to 12.0 or even 13.0 without worrying if you want to, Janis! It has no

real chance. But do you believe me?* ).

Edited comment 6.05 pm: I was matched anyway ... and much to my surprise the SP

came in to 9/1 ...

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Results Update: Day 27 ...

Wake Up Maggie 2.10 Newmarket ... 9/2, 5.6, £21.46 ;D


Charles Parnell 2.35 Ayr ... 7/4, 3.0, £35.77 ;D
Pivotal's Princess 3.20 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.46 ;D
Yomalo 4.30 Newmarket ... 7/1, 6.6, £21.46 ;D
Quantica 4.55 Ayr ... 9/1, 11.0, £14.30 ;D
Spring Pursuit 5.55 Ayr ... 11/2, 7.4, £21.46 ;D

Comments:
My profits today came to £129.11 (that's £135.91 minus 5% exchange commission),

and no losses ...*

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So the bank has finally reached a new high of £3598.76 and tomorrow the backers'
stakes to which I'm laying will increase to £35.98, £21.59 and £14.39.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%* ;D
September strike-rate: 225 wins from 276 selections = 81.52%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 225 wins from 276 selections = 81.52%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £129.11
Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.72%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.96%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 19.96%
Tomorrow's bank: £3598.76
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £35.98, £21.59 and £14.39

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £118.95
Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.96%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.04%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 4.04%
Tomorrow's bank: £3121.34
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maria

(You can lay it to 12.0 or even 13.0 without worrying if you want to, Janis! It has no

real chance. But do you believe me?* ).

Thank you, I am matched at 11.0 like you. I see this horse is second, you are a
dangerous girl! ;D

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Tomorrow is the last day of your first month? I will put my results after you do, but so
far I am a little ahead, thank you. :-*

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis

I see this horse is second, you are a dangerous girl!* ;D

Damn, there is no smiley here for "flutters eyelashes innocently ..." ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janis

Tomorrow is the last day of your first month?

Yes; I didn't start until the 3rd but I'll just make this one a short month (it's called

"time off for good behaviour") and start all future months on the 1st. Paldeis ...

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The Twenty-Eighth Day ... Friday 30th September ...

Might be an interesting (read "dangerous") end to the month ... quite a bit today ...

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and a couple of the value shorties might even be odds on ...

Muzdaher 1.05 Newmarket ...


Pinpoint 1.05 Newmarket ...
Catch The Perk 2.00 Hexham ...
Queen's Night 2.15 Lingfield ...
Free Will 2.30 Hexham ...
Golden Alchemist 2.50 Lingfield ...
Swallow Magic 3.05 Hexham ...
Seabow 3.15 Newmarket ...
Ostfanni 3.40 Hexham ...
Moayed 3.50 Newmarket ...
Discotheque 4.00 Lingfield ...
Beaver 4.15 Hexham ...
Bird Over 4.35 Lingfield ...
Risky Way 4.50 Hexham ...

Good luck ... 8)

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Results Update: Day 28 ...

Muzdaher 1.05 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.59 ;D


Pinpoint 1.05 Newmarket ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.59 ;D
Catch The Perk 2.00 Hexham ... 6/5, 2.0, £35.98 :'(
Queen's Night 2.15 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.2, £21.59 ;D
Free Will 2.30 Hexham ... 9/1, 11.0, £14.39 ;D
Golden Alchemist 2.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £21.59 ;D
Swallow Magic 3.05 Hexham ... 9/2, 4.8, £21.59 ;D
Seabow 3.15 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.8, £14.39 ;D
Ostfanni 3.40 Hexham ... 4/6, 1.7, £25.19 :'(
Moayed 3.50 Newmarket ... 11/2, 5.7, £21.59 ;D
Discotheque 4.00 Lingfield ... 10/3, 4.4, £21.59 ;D
Beaver 4.15 Hexham ... 9/1, 9.8, £14.39 ;D
Bird Over 4.35 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0 £14.39 ;D
Risky Way 4.50 Hexham ... 4/1, 5.2, £21.59 ;D

Comments:
I'll exclude the profit from Bird Over in the SP+10% results because its SP was 12/1 (my lay was
matched at 11.0 with no problem, though).

Two of the three value shorties let me down today, but obviously these are very cheap mistakes and
they make the overall results in money terms actually better than the strike-rate would suggest,
simply because the "accidents" are the cheapest ones in the system - one hopes!

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12 winning lays from 14 is OK if the two that fail are the cheapest (and one of them was odds on
today).

In case anyone's wondering how these get selected, it's not just because they're shorties! One
example: Catch The Perk - it was 0/7 on today's ground, its sire's progeny are 5% on the ground and
5% at the distance and the trainer hadn't had a winner for 6 months. Given all that, would you rather
be a backer or a layer at evens? (I know the SP was 6/4 but I was a layer at evens). Well, today the
right answer was "a backer", but I hope you see what I mean? ... ???

Anyway, my profits today came to £218.77 (that's £230.28 minus 5% exchange commission), and
the loss on the two value shorties was £61.17, leaving a net profit of £157.60 on the day.

So the bank has ended the month on a new high of £3756.36 and tomorrow the backers' stakes to
which I'm laying will increase to £37.56, £22.53 and £15.02.

Results:
Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 14 selections = 85.7%
September strike-rate: 237 wins from 290 selections = 81.72%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 237 wins from 290 selections = 81.72%

Maria's actual results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £157.60
Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.38%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 25.21%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 25.21%
Tomorrow's bank: £3756.36
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £37.56, £22.53 and £15.02

SP+10% results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Profit/(loss) today: £132.68
Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.25%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.47%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 8.47%
Tomorrow's bank: £3254.02
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £32.95, £19.77 and £13.18

Back later with a quick "round-up of the month" ... :

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Well Done Maria

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Thank you, Favs ...

Quick "round-up of the month" ... :


A strike-rate of only 81.72% produced 25% profit, more than you'd expect, but this is
largely explained by the fact that losers tend to be the cheapest ones (as we saw
today), so the strike-rate doesn't need to be quite as high as people say it does for
laying, because of the staking plan we use. Still, I hope to achieve a higher strike-
rate, overall, than this.

The "SP+10" results have not proved interesting or even meaningful, because it's not
easily possible to lay to such bad prices, overall, even if you wanted to; so I'm
dropping them. They are artificial beyond credibility.

All you have to do, really, as I hope I've shown during the last month, is use an easy,
sensible, variable staking plan that doesn't depend simply on laying to fixed stakes
and doesn't depend simply on laying to fixed liability either, and you can cover
yourself against accidents as much as possible without making life difficult for
yourself. This system's been designed to be as duplicable as possible by someone who
might want to spend only 10 or 15 minutes per day doing the whole thing. You'll
notice that I lay a lot of horses at 11.0, 7.4 and 3.4. That's because these prices are
"just within my price-band cut-offs". When I first "go round" (which takes about 90
seconds), if anything's around 7.5 to 9-ish to lay, I'll just leave a lay unmatched at
7.4. It's surprising how many of these end up being taken. Which I hope I've shown,
at least to some extent, during this first month. In other words, the practicality of
getting the bets on is very much easier than it looks.

Finally, to anyone following these ... my £3000 starting-bank (and more, actually)
came out of the profits from the first year (a fraction less, actually) of following the
system, having started off originally with £1000. This makes me feel hopeful that on
1st September 2006, when this thread has been running for a year (if I last that
long!), we'll be in profit, but don't forget that there will definitely be losing
months as well.

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Thank you very much for this thread, Maria. I have now 3840.50 pounds, but I don't
have a pounds sign on my keyboard because you are more anglicised than me.

I got a little bit ahead when I missed a winner (loser) and then twice since then I
increased stakes so the effect compounded and it was lucky for me, anyway I
certainly support your stakes and lays, I am also often matched at 7.4 etc.

Again well done and thank you, mana jauka ;D

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The Twenty-Ninth Day ... Saturday 1st October ...

Sorry to be a bit late posting these today, but still plenty of time before the first one,
anyway ... :-[

Cantabria 2.10 Newmarket ...


Flipando 2.25 Redcar ...
Looks Could Kill 3.00 Epsom ...
Chic 3.15 Newmarket ...
Suggestive 3.25 Redcar ...

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Jayanjay 3.30 Epsom ...
Azygous 4.05 Epsom ...
Silverhay 5.10 Redcar ...
Pomfret Lad 5.15 Epsom ...
Fisby 7.00 Wolverhampton ...
Law Breaker 7.30 Wolverhampton ...
Rivetting 8.00 Wolverhampton ...
Thoughtsofstardom 8.30 Wolverhampton ...
Spirit Of Coniston 8.30 Wolverhampton ...
El Chaparral 9.00 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 29 ...

Guess which silly girl didn't read this until after she'd posted the lay selections for
today, and guess how much it cost her? ...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mabbs

Jayanjay 3.30 Epsom - Won this race last year, three of his five victories have
come at this track ...

(The answer was about £90, which will teach me to post late and in a hurry).

Cantabria 2.10 Newmarket ... 6/1, 7.4, £22.53* ;D


Flipando 2.25 Redcar ... 15/2, 7.4, £22.53* ;D
Looks Could Kill 3.00 Epsom ... 7/1, 7.0, £22.53* ;D
Chic 3.15 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.4, £37.56* ;D
Suggestive 3.25 Redcar ... 11/2, 7.0, £22.53* ;D
Jayanjay 3.30 Epsom ... 9/2, 5.0, £22.53* :'(
Azygous 4.05 Epsom ... 10/1, 10.0, £15.02* ;D
Silverhay 5.10 Redcar ... 7/1, 7.2, £22.53* ;D
Pomfret Lad 5.15 Epsom ... 8/1, 9.6, £15.02* ;D
Fisby 7.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.2, £22.53* ;D
Law Breaker 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 14/1!!, 10.0, £15.02* ;D

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Rivetting 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 10.0, £15.02* ;D
Thoughtsofstardom 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.2, £22.53* :'( ugh!
Spirit Of Coniston 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.2, £22.53* ;D
El Chaparral 9.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 4.8, £22.53* ;D

Comments:
See comment above ...* :-[

Also: what a mess I made of the 8.30 Wolverhampton! Two lays in the race, and they

finished 1st and 2nd - next Saturday I'll try reverse forecasts instead!*

My profits today came to £263.99 (that's £277.88 minus 5% exchange commission),


and the loss on the two miserable stinkers (I beg their pardon ... "the two splendid
winners") came to £184.75, leaving a net profit of only £79.24 on the day.

Still, the bank has reached a new high of £3835.60 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £38.35, £23.01 and £15.34.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £79.24
Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.11%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.11%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 27.85%
Tomorrow's bank: £3835.60
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £38.35, £23.01 and £15.34

Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 15 selections = 86.66% (should have been 13 wins
from 14 selections, 92.86%!)
October strike-rate: 13 wins from 15 selections = 86.66%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 250 wins from 305 selections = 81.97%

Ok ... this is enough "statistical information", I think: no more of this "SP+10"* :-*

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The Thirtieth Day ... Sunday 2nd October ...

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Eleven today ... :P

Sound Skin 2.10 Market Rasen ...


Lost In Normandy 2.30 Uttox ...
Toni Alcala 2.40 Market Rasen ...
Goodbadindiferent 2.50 Kelso ...
Infini 3.15 Market Rasen ...
Croc An Oir 3.25 Kelso ...
Stan 3.40 Uttoxeter ...
The Holy Bee 4.15 Uttoxeter ...
Parisienne Gale 4.35 Kelso ...
Meltonian 4.55 Market Rasen ...
Barton Hill 5.15 Uttoxeter ...

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Results Update: Day 30 ...

Sound Skin 2.10 Market Rasen ... 15/2, 7.4, £23.01 ;D


Lost In Normandy 2.30 Uttox ... 7/1, 7.2, £23.01 ;D
Toni Alcala 2.40 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 6.4, £23.01 ;D
Goodbadindiferent 2.50 Kelso ... 8/1, 9.6, £15.34 ;D
Infini 3.15 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 5.2, £23.01 ;D
Croc An Oir 3.25 Kelso ... 3/1, 4.0, £23.01 :'(
Stan 3.40 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 7.4, £23.01 ;D
The Holy Bee 4.15 Uttoxeter ... 17/2, 8.6, £15.34 ;D
Parisienne Gale 4.35 Kelso ... non-runner
Meltonian 4.55 Market Rasen ... 14/1!!, 9.4, £15.34 ;D
Barton Hill 5.15 Uttoxeter ... 9/2, 5.2, £23.01 ;D

Comments:
My profits today came to £174.87 (that's £184.08 minus 5% exchange commission),
and the loss on Croc An Oir came to £69.03 (managed to lay it at a good price, at
least ...), leaving a net profit of £105.84 on the day.

The bank has now reached a new high of £3941.44 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £39.41, £23.64 and £15.76.

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)
Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £105.84
Tomorrow's bank: £3941.44
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £39.41, £23.64 and £15.76

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.76%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.93%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 31.38%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


October strike-rate: 22 wins from 25 selections = 88%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 259 wins from 315 selections = 82.22%

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Thank you Maria for this absolutely fascinating thread. It is like one of those novels
that you can't put down.
I read all your posts in one sitting as I had to find out what happened next.

Incidentally congratulations on your command of our language, it puts most of us to


shame.

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Thank you very much, Agog. I'm also interested to see what happens next ...

Unfortunately, with horse racing, there isn't a "magic £32,000" as offered by Chris
Tarrant, being the guaranteed minimum figure you'll take home once you've achieved

it ...

For 7.4 I stake at the middle figure, i.e. £23.64 for tomorrow (liability of £151.30 -
nervous gulp!), but 7.6 to 11.0 is at the smallest figure, currently £15.76 (liability
between £104.02 and £157.60). I leave a lot of unmatched bets on the system at 7.4,
but many of them become matched, so it's a common price for me. (As is 11.0).

It's a little bit artificial, and there are some anomalies, but it seems to work.

Ideally, I would prefer to use 5 "staking ranges" instead of 3 (they would be


something like 0 - 3, 3 - 5.9, 6.0 - 8.8, 9.0 - 11.5 and 12.0 - 14.5). This would reduce
some of the anomalies and enable more selections, which would make it more stable
and secure. But it would also make it look more complicated, and although it's
perfectly simple and straightforward in practice, I'm worried that it looks difficult, and
this might put enough people off as it is!

Thank you for your tactful and much appreciated compliment about my English. It's
my third language really, so perhaps I have the foreigner's excess care and caution
with it. I'm aware that what I write can sometimes seem a little stilted or old-
fashioned. That's partly because I originally learnt English from old books before I
could speak it at all.

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Great stuff Maria ;D :-*

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Well, this goes extremely nice so far. Long may it continue, Maria!

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Thank you very much, gentlemen! :-*

The Thirty-First Day ... Monday 3rd October ...

Bold Phoenix 2.10 Brighton ...


Free To Air 2.20 Pontefract ...
For Life 2.30 Windsor ...
Gennie Bond 2.30 Windsor ...
Chase The Ace 2.50 Pontefract ...
Tumbleweed Glory 3.00 Windsor ...
Lucefer 3.10 Brighton ...
Best Prospect 3.20 Pontefract ...
Our Monogram 3.50 Pontefract ...
Fairmile 4.00 Windsor ...
Silsong 4.30 Windsor ...

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Results Update: Day 31 ...

Bold Phoenix 2.10 Brighton ... 9/4, 3.4, £39.41 ;D


Free To Air 2.20 Pontefract ... 5/1, 6.6, £23.64 ;D
For Life 2.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 7.4, £23.64 ;D
Gennie Bond 2.30 Windsor ... 13/2, 7.4, £23.64 ;D
Chase The Ace 2.50 Pontefract ... 5/1, 6.6, £23.64 ;D
Tumbleweed Glory 3.00 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.0 £23.64 ;D
Lucefer 3.10 Brighton ... 10/1, 9.6, £15.76 ;D
Best Prospect 3.20 Pontefract ... 15/2, 7.4, £23.64 ;D
Our Monogram 3.50 Pontefract ... 6/1, 7.2, £23.64 ;D
Fairmile 4.00 Windsor ... 6/1, 8.0, £110.32 :'(
Silsong 4.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.8, £15.76 ;D

Comments:
I feel more lucky than unlucky today. Unlucky that Fairmile won, but lucky not to be
matched at 7.4 which would have cost me a multiple of £23.64 instead of £15.76.

Maybe I caught up a few pounds on you today, mans Janis, vai ne?

My profits today came to £224.58 (that's £236.41 minus 5% exchange commission),


but the loss on Fairmile was £110.32, leaving a net profit of £114.26 on the day.

The bank has now reached a new high of £4055.70 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £40.55, £24.33 and £16.22.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £114.26
Tomorrow's bank: £4055.70
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £40.55, £24.33 and £16.22

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.9%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.97%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 35.19%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.9%


October strike-rate: 32 wins from 36 selections = 88.8%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 269 wins from 326 selections = 82.52%

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Maybe I caught up a few pounds on you today, mans Janis, vai ne?*

Mmjaaaaa, mana Maria! But not with Fairmile, I lay this at 7.8. But with For Life, you
lay at 7.4 and I am matched also at 7.8, for less money, so you make about 7 pounds
more here.

I see that you tip Fairmile to win in your other thread at 6/1 anyway, so you may not
complain. My parents warn me about girls like this! ;D

Visu labu
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Good Going Maria,

Well Done

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Phew!

I know a miss is as good as a mile but three 2nds - one by a short head!!!

If you were a man I would be congratulating you for having big ones, which were also

golden.

Well done, Agog

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wild thread great read ;D

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Thank you, gentlemen (and Amy!!) ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agog

I know a miss is as good as a mile but three 2nds - one by a short head!!!

I know what you mean ...

I was watching only the prices at the exchange, not the actual race, and I assumed it
was a photo finish. Well, over the the year we win and lose our share of those and in
the long run it makes no difference.

Ok, if it had gone the other way today then I am -£50 instead of +£100 for the day,
or whatever, but honestly over the course of the year it doesn't matter. I try to look at
the long-term view like an "investor" and I know it will be ok in the long run like a
"business investment" but it's much more fun, and if I put enough effort into finding
the selections, I can pretend that I'm working for a living ... 8)

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The Thirty-Second Day ... Tuesday 4th October ...

Tuesdays seem to be taking over from Mondays as "bad racing day" ... ???

Not so easy today; no real shorties and a couple around 11.5/12 at the moment to
leave unmatched at 11.0 ...

Ten selections today, just the right number to get two winning at nasty big prices and
come crashing back to earth (we are due a losing day, you know!) ... :-\

Sandwith 2.20 Catterick ...


Bustisu 2.30 Huntingdon ...
Avoca Dancer 2.50 Catterick ...
Harris Bay 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Mazeej 3.10 Leicester ...
Tilly's Dream 3.20 Catterick ...
Tanning 3.40 Leicester ...
Indian Chase 3.50 Catterick ...
Yorke's Folly 4.20 Catterick ...
Formal Approval 4.50 Catterick ...

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Results Update: Day 32 ...

Sandwith 2.20 Catterick ... 9/1, 9.2, £15.76 ;D


Bustisu 2.30 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 7.4, £23.64 ;D
Avoca Dancer 2.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 7.4, £23.64 ;D

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Harris Bay 3.00 Huntingdon ... non-runner
Mazeej 3.10 Leicester ... 10/1, 11.0 £15.76 ;D
Tilly's Dream 3.20 Catterick ... 14/1!!!, opened 12.0 (11/1) and drifted, not matched

;D ;D ;D (it won!)
Tanning 3.40 Leicester ... 8/1, 10.0 £15.76 ;D
Indian Chase 3.50 Catterick ... 6/1, 5.6, £23.64 ;D
Yorke's Folly 4.20 Catterick ... 10/1, 11.0 £15.76 ;D
Formal Approval 4.50 Catterick ... 10/3, 4.5, £23.64 ;D

Comments:
I can hardly believe how lucky I was today. The potential accident Tilly's Dream
opened outside the cut-off and drifted, and we never came close to being matched:
one to remember on a future day when something goes against us! Just a fluke today:
these things normally go the other way. For once, I got a better result than I deserved
... :-X

My profits today came to £149.72 (that's £157.60 minus 5% exchange commission),

and no losses!

The bank has now reached a new high of £4205.42 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £42.05, £25.23 and £16.82.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £149.72
Tomorrow's bank: £4205.42
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £42.05, £25.23 and £16.82

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.69%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.95%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.18%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D


October strike-rate: 40 wins from 44 selections = 90.9%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 277 wins from 334 selections = 82.93%

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Another good day then, I see, Maria! Well done!

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Hmmm ... a lucky escape from a loss yesterday; let's see what damage we can do
today ... 8)

The Thirty-Third Day ... Wednesday 5th October ...

Gwilym 2.20 Nottingham ...


Anticipating 2.30 Towcester ...
Regulated 3.00 Towcester ...
The Plainsman 3.20 Nottingham ...
Cool Hunter 3.50 Nottingham ...
Libre 4.00 Towcester ...
Taksina 4.30 Towcester ...
Outside Investor 4.40 Exeter ...
Romany Dream 5.00 Towcester ...

Good luck today!

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Results Update: Day 33 ...

Gwilym 2.20 Nottingham ... 4/1, 5.1, £25.23 ;D


Anticipating 2.30 Towcester ... 5/2, 3.4, £42.05 ;D
Regulated 3.00 Towcester ... 11/2, 6.4, £25.23 ;D
The Plainsman 3.20 Nottingham ... 7/1, 7.4, £25.23 ;D
Cool Hunter 3.50 Nottingham ... 11/2, 6.8, £25.23 ;D
Libre 4.00 Towcester ... 15/2, 9.0, £16.82 ;D

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Taksina 4.30 Towcester ... 9/1, 10.5, £16.82 ;D
Outside Investor 4.40 Exeter ... 12/1, 11.0 £16.82 ;D
Romany Dream 5.00 Towcester ... 5/1, £6.2, £25.23 ;D

Comments:
Another clear day: we're certainly having a lucky run at the moment. Remember that

some time we'll definitely have its not-so-welcome counterpart, too ...

My profits today came to £207.72 (that's £218.66 minus 5% exchange commission),

and no losses!*

The bank has now reached a new high of £4413.14 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £44.13, £26.47 and £17.65.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £207.72
Tomorrow's bank: £4413.14
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £44.13, £26.47 and £17.65

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.94%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.48%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 47.1%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 9 selections = 100%* ;D


October strike-rate: 49 wins from 53 selections = 92.45%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 286 wins from 343 selections = 83.38%

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Dear Maria,

How good is your cooking?

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What do you mean? I'm not an invalid and I'm definitely not a stupid feminist, so I
can cook like any woman from my country. I can cook pîrâgi, skâbâ putra, rasols,
kringel and biezpien maizîtes for a start. (Actually not all for a start - some of them
are for a main course or a pudding). But you have only my word for it, of course ... I
might be exaggerating or even confabulating. Now you'll have to paste them into a

search engine to find out if they really exist, won't you?

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Quote:

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What do you mean? I'm not an invalid and I'm definitely not a stupid feminist, so I
can cook like any woman from my country. I can cook pîrâgi, skâbâ putra, rasols,
kringel and biezpien maizîtes for a start. (Actually not all for a start - some of them
are for a main course or a pudding). But you have only my word for it, of course ...
I might be exaggerating or even confabulating. Now you'll have to paste them into a

search engine to find out if they really exist, won't you?*

;D

Good Day today Maria, Well Done

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Quote:

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What do you mean? I'm not an invalid and I'm definitely not a stupid feminist, so I
can cook like any woman from my country. I can cook pîrâgi, skâbâ putra, rasols,
kringel and biezpien maizîtes for a start. (Actually not all for a start - some of them
are for a main course or a pudding). But you have only my word for it, of course ...

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I might be exaggerating or even confabulating. Now you'll have to paste them into a

search engine to find out if they really exist, won't you?*

Piragi are the Latvian woman's secret weapon. None can withstand their delightful
onslaught!

Do you have any more "delightful onslaughts"?

Any way enough of this confabulating it might keep you away from your picks for
tomorrow.

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None can withstand their delightful onslaught!

Even my English is less stilted than that! Sounds like you've been reading 19th

Century Baltic culinary texts (I suppose someone has to) ...

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A first-class thread, keep up the good work.

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The Thirty-Fourth Day ... Thursday 6th October ...

12 selections today, but not quite guaranteed to get them all matched at 11.0,
although none is far off at the moment ... :-\

Cark 2.10 Southwell


Chisom 2.40 Southwell
Audiostreetdotcom 2.50 Worcester ...
Atacama Star 3.00 Wincanton ...
Branston Penny 3.10 Southwell ...
Breaking Breeze 3.30 Wincanton ...
Brendan's Surprise 3.40 Southwell ...
La Dolfina 4.00 Wincanton ...
Obe Bold 4.10 Southwell ...
Vlasta Weiner 4.10 Southwell ...
Miss Skippy 4.20 Worcester ...
Zeloso 4.40 Southwell ...

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Results Update: Day 343 ...

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Cark 2.10 Southwell 6/1, 7.0, £26.47 ;D
Chisom 2.40 Southwell 8/1, 11.0 £17.65 ;D
Audiostreetdotcom 2.50 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.2, £26.47 ;D
Atacama Star 3.00 Wincanton ... 7/4, 3.0, £44.13 ;D
Branston Penny 3.10 Southwell ... 20/1, 11.0, £17.65 ;D
Breaking Breeze 3.30 Wincanton ... 10/3, 4.4, £26.47 :'(
Brendan's Surprise 3.40 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.4, £26.47 ;D
La Dolfina 4.00 Wincanton ... 11/4, 4.0, £26.47 ;D
Obe Bold 4.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.2, £17.65 ;D
Vlasta Weiner 4.10 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.8, £17.65 :'(
Miss Skippy 4.20 Worcester ... 8/1, 10.5, £17.65 ;D
Zeloso 4.40 Southwell ... 17/2, 10.0 £17.65 ;D

Comments:
Felt like a really bad day today: couldn't get matched at good prices on many
(resulting in making a lot of £17.65's which would normally have been £26.47's); two
nasty winners (can't complain too much about Breaking Breeze, I suppose, but Vlasta
Weiner was extremely unpleasant and unexpected). However, when the smoke clears
it seems I have actually made a profit rather than a loss on the day, which once again
somehow feels a better result than I deserved ... :-\

One other horse worthy of comment: I don't remember seeing a drifter quite like
Branston Penny in my laying system before. I was matched at 11.0 after posting the
selections here, after which it drifted inexorably all the way to 20/1! I would suspect
the results pages of making a mistake in the SP (by no means unknown) but I actually
watched it drifting myself at the exchange, so I'm sure it's right.

Anyway my profits today came to £226.34 (that's £238.26 minus 5% exchange


commission), and my losses were exactly £90.00 on Breaking Breeze and £120.02 on
Vlasta Weiner, totalling £210.02, so that still left me with a profit of £16.32, which

feels like a pretty good result in the circumstances!

This will sound strange, perhaps, but actually I like days like today when I look back
at them, because if the system can survive a day like today, it makes me feel secure
with it for the long run, which is what matters after all.

The bank has now reached a new high of £4429.46 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £44.29, £26.57 and £17.71. It's probably the
smallest stake increase on record here!

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £16.32
Tomorrow's bank: £4429.46
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £44.29, £26.57 and £17.71

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.37%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.92%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 47.65%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%* ;D


October strike-rate: 59 wins from 65 selections = 90.77%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 296 wins from 355 selections = 83.38%

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Thank you and well done, you are catching up with me now. I was late online and I
was not matched on Branston Penny today. I looked at the trading chart at Betfair and
saw much money matched between 9.8 and 12.0 and I left my lay unmatched at 12.0
but it was not taken. Not a big problem, of course. Visu labu,

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Maria,

I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to lay?

Virtually every price is less than the starting price (unless its drifted past your cut-off
point) which I find quite amazing... have you some secret method?

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Maria,

Would it perhaps be a good idea for you to teach us how to swear in Latvian?

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I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to
lay?

That varies enormously, to be honest. I'm sorry to say that I'm not sure how helpful
my answer will be, but I tend to "go round once" looking at the prices and deciding
what to lay quickly and what to leave unmatched. Then I go back round and look
around again (and usually some of the unmatched ones are already matched at this
point). If I think something's more likely to lengthen than shorten, I'll "take what I
can get". If I think it's more likely to shorten, I'll wait unless I want to go out.

I have three very specific ways of deciding whether I think a price is going to lengthen
or shorten.

One is connected to weight of unmatched money on the "backing" and "laying" sides
at the exchange (this is the equivalent of what a stock-trader would call "level-2" and
is very fully discussed in an excellent paperback book called "Lay, Back and Think of
Winning" by Nigel Paul).

Another comes from looking at and interpreting the chart (which you can access only
by clicking on the horses's name in the left-hand column of the Betfair screen) and
deciding which way I think it's going to move. I could write 20,000 words on this, but
it wouldn't help all that much - sorry!

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The third (rarer) factor comes from my knowledge of which trainers' horses are likely
to drift or shorten in the market (for instance, one doesn't want to get caught up in a
"late gamble" on a Barney Curley horse, of the kind about which I commented not so
long ago).

Of course, I've been doing this nearly every day for a long time, and it may be that
I'm also relying on my experience and to some extent on "acquired skills" which I'm
not really aware of using (the sort of thing that some people call "intuition" but I don't
like that word, myself).

Also, to be honest, I've actually found that maintaining the thread here rather than
just on my computer has made me pay more attention, go out less and probably
improved the figures at which my lays are matched. Of course, most of the time it
doesn't make much difference anyway because they don't win the race (as you can
see from the strike-rate) in which case "who cares?" (as someone put it recently).

Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles

Virtually every price is less than the starting price

I haven't analysed that, sorry. I may well be completely mistaken, but I must say that
that isn't my impression at all. (I see that today I laid only 4 out of 12 at better than
SP.)

What I know for sure (and this is also the experience of other people I know who
actually put the bets on) is that it's usually easy, after only a little practical
experience, to get lays on at better prices than is widely believed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles

... have you some secret method?

I don't think there's anything secret about it. Not now, anyway!

I've made quite a lot of comments throughout the thread about it, and I think one or
two others have commented, also. I leave a lot of bets unmatched just within cut-offs.
So I certainly tend to get a much higher proportion matched at 3.4, 7.4 and 11.0 than
you'd expect "by chance alone".

Sorry for a rambling answer which might not be all that helpful ... :-\

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Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles


Maria,

I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to
lay?

Virtually every price is less than the starting price (unless its drifted past your cut-
off point) which I find quite amazing... have you some secret method?
Branston Penny at 11.0, genius, pure genius.

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Branston Penny at 11.0, genius, pure genius.

Most flattering but not so at all, MayoMan. It was at 11.0 simply because my cut-off's
at 11.0, so by definition I don't and can't ever lay anything longer than 11.0!

After I'd posted the selections here, it was at 11.5 so I left it unmatched at 11.0, as I
always do with every single selection that's over 11.0. Nothing more to it than

that, honestly!

On the chart and table you can open up on the exchange, I saw plenty of volume
traded between less than 10 and about 12, and then (as I commented above) I
happened to be around today to see it drift all the way to about 20, which is how I
know that that starting-price was real and not a misprint as one would otherwise
normally suspect.

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Branston Penny was 24.0 when the first show came through, went out to 38.0 two
minutes before the off and back to 24 as the last one went in the stalls.

Well done on getting 11.0, the early bird etc. etc.

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Thank you, but again I can't take any credit for that. I do much of my "unmatched
laying" at about the same time each day simply for reasons of convenience. I see that
I posted the selections today at about 1.20 (hmmm ... a bit late!) and so it must have
been 11.0 at about 1.25, I suppose.

I don't know what time Janis had evidently just missed out on it at 12.0, but
presumably not long after that(?)

Certainly when I first looked, before posting here, it was about 11.0, and not much
more, otherwise I wouldn't have included it with the selections.

I drew attention to it in my comments simply because I don't remember another


horse in this system ever having drifted so much.

Every day there are about 4 or 5 or 6 selections which I exclude because they're
already so high that I don't think people will manage to lay them within the cut-off.
Branston Penny wasn't one of those, of course, because I had no idea it would drift
like that!

I don't know how much it will help anyone, but my experience is certainly that the
ones that are around 10+ at lunchtime are more likely, overall, to drift than they are
to shorten. The ones that tend to shorten are often the "value shorties" (not that we
have had so many of those over the last 3 or 4 days, I think, which is always a

shame) ...* :

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The Thirty-Fifth Day ... Friday 7th October ...

Ten selections today ... of these, no fewer than five of them are currently (1.00pm)
11.0 to back and 11.5 to lay at Betfair - a common spread and not a "difficult" one.
My own guess is that all 5 of them will turn out to be layable within our cut-off (but
I've been wrong before!) ...

Dubonai 2.10 Carlisle ...


Pagan Sky 2.20 Yor ... (currently 11.5, plenty of volume traded between 8 and 10)
Combat Drinker 2.40 Carlisle ...
Flash And Dazzle 3.05 Newbury (moving up and down between 10.0 and 12.0, one to
watch)
Top Pack 3.15 Carlisle ... (I'm leaving 11.0 unmatched, confidently)
Rathor 3.25 York ... (I am matched already at 10.0. Currently 11.5 but 11.0 will easily
get matched at some point)
World Vision 3.45 Carlisle ...
He's Hot Right Now 4.20 Carlisle ...
Red Romeo 4.40 Newbury ... (fluctuating, but actually 11.0 to lay this very minute!)
Intersky Emerald 5.20 Carlisle ...

Good luck, even if we are rather overdue for a losing day ...

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Update ... 2.10pm ... since I posted the selections just over an hour ago, all 5 of the
"longer" ones have had volume transacted at 11.0 or less, so clearly nothing

unmatched today ...

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Another Great Day

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Thanks, Favs ... v lucky today ...

Results Update: Day 35 ...

Dubonai 2.10 Carlisle ... 13/8, 2.90, £44.29* ;D


Pagan Sky 2.20 Yor ... 8/1, 10.0, £17.71* ;D
Combat Drinker 2.40 Carlisle ... 6/1, 6.0, £26.57* ;D
Flash And Dazzle 3.05 Newbury ... 7/1, 9.0, £17.71* ;D* [oops: should've been 7.4,
£26.57, I think* :-\ ]

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Top Pack 3.15 Carlisle ... 8/1, 11.0, £17.71* ;D
Rathor 3.25 York ... 10/1, 10.0, £17.71* ;D
World Vision 3.45 Carlisle ... 6/1, 5.8, £26.57* ;D
He's Hot Right Now 4.20 Carlisle ... 11/2, 7.4, £26.57* ;D
Red Romeo 4.40 Newbury ... 8/1, 11.0, £17.71* ;D
Intersky Emerald 5.20 Carlisle ... 9/1, 8.8, £17.71* ;D

Comments:
I know I was matched at some revolting prices today: this was partly because I had to
go out for 2 hours for Full English Tea - to be honest, and without criticising it in any
way, it's more suitable for me than Full English Breakfast because much easier to

leave it all except the cup of tea without anyone really noticing ...

Anyway, my profits today came to £218.75 (that's £230.26 minus 5% exchange

commission), and no losses!

The bank has now reached a new high of £4648.21 and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £46.48, £27.88 and £18.59.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £218.75
Tomorrow's bank: £4648.21
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £46.48, £27.88 and £18.59

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.94%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 23.74%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 54.94%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 10 selections = 100%* ;D


October strike-rate: 69 wins from 75 selections = 92%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 306 wins from 365 selections = 83.84%

;D

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I've been reluctant to start off this thread, because I'm frightened of its turning out to
be the kiss of death ... you have what you imagine to be a good system and start to
explain it in public, and suddenly a wheel comes off ...* ???

I've come up with a laying system ...* ;D

I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway
...* :-[

I'll try to post each day's selections by 1.00pm at the very latest, but I don't think I'll
often manage to post them the night before.

Comments, general heckling and questions (but not about the details of my selection-
process, please) are very welcome as we go along, but I'd better start off with
something like an "FAQ" ...* 8)

STAKING: I want to minimise risks and maximise returns, of course (who doesn't?),
which are always pretty difficult, not to say conflicting, objectives to combine. Like all
forms of betting, the selections are only a part of the story. Betting on horses is
notorious for people being able to have good selections and still lose money through
poor money management. With laying in particular, IMHO the commonest reasons for
failure are under-funding (not having a bank big enough for what you're trying to do)
and disillusionment (getting too easily fed up with an inevitable losing run).

This isn't the time or place to get involved in a big discussion about whether the
selections or the money management are more important - it suffices to say that
without both aspects being good, sensible, reliable and proven, it's not possible to

make steady profits ...*

The two common staking methods for laying are:-

(i) Laying to a fixed stake: I don't use this for two main reasons: first, the
"accidents" are proportionally too expensive; secondly, it seems to me that it fails
adequately to make the profits "deserved" after successfully identifying and laying
shorter-priced losers.

(ii) Laying to a fixed liability: I don't use this either, because it's inherently
mathematically unsound - it ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to
happen at the lower end of the scale: if I lay a 2/1 favourite (i.e. I lay it at an
exchange price of 3.0), the overall risk of that bet losing (the horse winning) is of
course higher than one which was a lay at 8.0 (7/1).

Instead I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a
complicated mixture of the two systems mentioned above, but it's actually perfectly

straightforward ...*

My staking system: I lay in three distinct exchange-price-bands of fixed backer's


stakes.

At one end of the scale, if the exchange price available about the horse is less than
3.5 (less than 5/2), I lay to a stake of 1% of my current laying system bank. At the
other end, if the price is between 7.5 and 11 (the latter figure being my cut-off: I
don't lay anything higher than 10/1), I lay to a stake of 0.4% of my current bank. If
the price is in-between these two bands (i.e. prices of 3.6 to 7.4), then I lay to a

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stake of 0.6% of my bank. As they say in those TV infommercials, "But wait - there's
more!": I also combine this staking plan with a ratchet system (see below).

The are two other advantages with this staking system: first, the practicality of the
situation when using the exchanges is that the backer's stake (rather than one's own
liability) is the value which has to be typed into the little box on the screen, and this
makes it quick and simple to do; secondly, nearly a year's figures have proven to me
that this method minimises the variability of the results, and that's very, very

important ...*

To summarise, with examples based on a starting bank of £3,000 (if you're reckless
enough to try them, you can scale up or down proportionally to your own bank) ...

Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75)

Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80
- £115.20)

Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 -
£132)

Ratchet System

If making profits, I increase all stakes in proportion to the bank on a daily basis. (I'd
love to do it on a bet-by-bet basis, but that would assume that anyone following the
system can be glued to their screen all afternoon, which isn't realistic. If you're
working for a living - shock horror: please excuse my language! - you need to be able
to put the bets on your lunch-hour.)

This means that at the end of each day, the next day's "current bank" figure is known.
For example, if there's a good start and the £3,000 bank grows, then the stakes are
worked out as proportion of the new higher figure, and increase slightly the next
day. This may sound insignificant but it makes a huge difference to the

results ...*

In contrast, after a losing day, I don't reduce stakes unless and until 35% of the
highest level of the bank is lost, when I essentially re-start using the same
percentages, but now of the new "65%-sized bank" ...* :-\

Example: from a £3,000 start, if there's a net loss on the first day, the next day I still
stake as if from a bank of £3,000 (i.e. to backer's stakes of £30, £18 and £12
depending on the price about each selection) until reaching £1,950 when those
backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up
to £3,000 again (or - dare I mention it? - down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss).

The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank. If it happens
(and so far it hasn't - famous last words?!) I'll explain it again.

It may sound a bit complicated but it's actually very simple. Not easy, but very simple

...* :

Please don't imagine that I'm claiming this to be a perfect laying system. There are

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one or two anomalies in it, but after lots of analysis and calculation in the early days,
over the last year I've found this system practicable, straightforward and robust. And
that's what matters.

In the next post, I'll complete the "FAQ" and hope to cover the practicalities ...* :-*

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Good Day Maria, Well Done

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Originally Posted by maria

Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles

Keep the good form going especially for next weekend!*

Ah, you will become a weekend layer? My mother told me about men like you

...*

Shucks, just when I thought I had got away with it, (very wise lady, your mother)!

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My darling Maria,
What can I say after today's reults.
So it is settled then.You will do the laying and the cooking and I will do the sewing
and the real ale drinking.
Just one more question - do you get seasick?
On the assumption that you don't I will start to prepare my guest list.
Just one bit of bad news - I have to leave you for two weeks whilst I go and suffer the
rain in Corfu.
Please stay lucky in my absence and do not pine.
Yours forever,
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Back with a bang, excellent stuff Maria. ;D

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The Thirty-Eighth Day ... Monday 10th October ...

Bold Cross 1.50 Windsor ...


Sotik Star 2.20 Windsor ...
Habitual Dancer 2.30 Ayr ...
Kitchen Sink 2.40 Wolverhampton ...
Hi Katriona 3.10 Wolverhampton ...
Flylowflylong (place lay) 3.30 Ayr ...
Flushing Meadows 3.40 Wolverhampton ...
Kingdom Of Dreams 3.50 Windsor ...
Ionian Spring 4.00 Ayr ...
Rapid River 4.30 Ayr ...
Mystical Ayr 5.00 Ayr ...

Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 38 ...

Bold Cross 1.50 Windsor ... 5/1, 6.8, £27.94* ;D


Sotik Star 2.20 Windsor ... 9/2, 6.0, £27.94* ;D
Habitual Dancer 2.30 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.0, £27.94* ;D
Kitchen Sink 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0 £18.63* ;D
Hi Katriona 3.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/2, 3.4, £46.57* ;D
Flylowflylong (place lay) 3.30 Ayr ... n/a, 2.66 £46.57* :'(
Flushing Meadows 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.6, £18.63* ;D
Kingdom Of Dreams 3.50 Windsor ... 4/1, 5.0, £27.94* ;D

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Ionian Spring 4.00 Ayr ... 5/1, 5.5, £27.94* ;D
Rapid River 4.30 Ayr ... 5/1, 5.7, £27.94* ;D
Mystical Ayr 5.00 Ayr ... 7/2, 4.8, £27.94* :'(

Comments:

It was all going quite nicely until the last one ...* >

Sorry about the place lay of Flylowflylong. For anyone who was wondering, the
favourite was withdrawn a few minutes before the off. Anyone matched before that (I
was matched after it, myself) gets an adjustment in their favour, obviously, to reflect
the altered probabilities, so their liability is less than expected, anyway. These things
happen ...* :P

I recognise that I got matched at a couple of good prices today and may have done a
few pounds better than some (although I missed £27.94 at 7.4 - where some volume
did trade - on Flushing Meadows and dropped a few pounds there as well). Anyway I
still have most of my unfortunate £185 from the other day to try to claw back with

good prices ...*

Anyway, a very small profit on the day ... my profits today came to £238.89 (that's
£251.47 minus 5% exchange commission), and I lost £77.31 on Flylowflylong and
£106.18 on Mystical Ayr, totalling £183.49, for a net profit of £55.40 on the day.

The bank has now reached a new high of £4712.86, and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £47.12, £28.27 and £18.85.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £55.40
Tomorrow's bank: £4712.86
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £47.12, £28.27 and £18.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.19%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 25.46%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 57.1%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82%


October strike-rate: 103 wins from 117 selections = 88.03%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 342 wins from 407 selections = 84.03%

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WELL DONE Maria

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Well done on getting a small profit Maria !

I managed a very small loss unfortunately, as I was matched at higher odds for
Flylowflylong (3.2 avg) and also Mystical Ayr (5.71 avg.!!) resulting in higher liabilities
:-[

oh well, it shows the importance of being patient and waiting for a match at lower
odds ;D

Keep up the good work

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I managed a very small loss unfortunately

Yes, I'm sorry ... I thought this was quite possible today ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny_Boy

oh well, it shows the importance of being patient and waiting for a match at lower
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It's true, I'm afraid ... it really matters when they're favourite, because (annoyingly) a
better price will almost always be available ... if someone has backed it at SP, then

someone has laid it at SP! :

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Well Done Maria 8)

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Results Update: Day 40 ...

Red Diadem 2.20 Lingfield ... 13/2, 10.5, £19.42 ;D


Indebted 2.55 Lingfield ... 13/2, 6.2, £29.13 ;D
Town Crier 3.40 Wetherby ... 10/3, 4.6, £29.13 ;D
Valerun 4.25 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.4, £29.13 ;D
Common Girl 4.50 Wetherby ... 8/1, 9.6, £19.42 ;D
Linden Lime 5.15 Lingfield ... 13/2, 8.4, £19.42 ;D
Don't Ask Me 5.35 Uttoxeter ... 9/2, 6.2, £29.13 ;D

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I know that I could have got better (lower) prices on Red Diadem, Common Girl,
Linden Lime and maybe Don't Ask Me today, but I had friends from school round and
was inattentive ... anyway, fortunately, it didn't matter ... my profits today came to
£166.04 (that's £174.78 minus 5% exchange commission), and no losses ... ;D

The bank has now reached a new high of £5022.14, and tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will increase to £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £166.04
Tomorrow's bank: £5022.14
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.42%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.7%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 67.4%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% ;D


October strike-rate: 116 wins from 130 selections = 89.23
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 355 wins from 420 selections = 84.52%

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Well done again Maria...

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Another clean sweep today Maria. It's getting to be a habit, not a bad habit to have.

Well done.

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Thank you ...

So ... The Forty-First Day ... Thursday 13th October ...

Plenty today, include some nice value shorties ...

Just a shame we're so overdue now for a real losing day ... :-\

You Call That Art 1.55 Newmarket ...


Mystery Pips 2.20 Southwell ...
East Cape 2.55 Southwell ...
Royal Alchemist 3.05 Newmarket ...
Saucepot 3.30 Southwell ...
Baskerville 3.40 Newmarket ...

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Good Man Again 3.55 Ludlow ...
Impeccable Guest 4.05 Southwell ...
Ruby Rocket 4.15 Newmarket ...
Bold Phoenix 4.40 Southwell ...
Gramm 4.50 Newmarket ...
Kristinor 5.05 Ludlow ... (currently 11.5)
Sonderborg 5.15 Southwell ...
Orientor 5.25 Newmarket ...

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Price update: as you can see from my mention of it in the post above, I thought the
price problem today might be Kristinor. Well, that was wrong, because it's available to
lay for 11.0 now and has been for some time.

I was matched at 10.0 with no problem, after posting the selections, on both
Saucepot and Good Man Again, thought I see they've both drifted a little bit since.

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Results Update: Day 41 ...

You Call That Art 1.55 Newmarket ... 5/1, 6.6, £30.13 ;D
Mystery Pips 2.20 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.0 £30.13 ;D
East Cape 2.55 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.6, £20.08 ;D
Royal Alchemist 3.05 Newmarket ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Saucepot 3.30 Southwell ... 9/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Baskerville 3.40 Newmarket ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Good Man Again 3.55 Ludlow ... 12/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Impeccable Guest 4.05 Southwell ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.13 ;D
Ruby Rocket 4.15 Newmarket ... 4/1, 5.5, £30.13 ;D
Bold Phoenix 4.40 Southwell ... 5/2, 2.9, £50.22 :'(
Gramm 4.50 Newmarket ... 11/2, 6.8, £30.13 :'(
Kristinor 5.05 Ludlow ... 11/1, 11.0, £20.08 :'(
Sonderborg 5.15 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.6, £20.08 ;D
Orientor 5.25 Newmarket ... 5/2, 3.4, £50.22 ;D

Comments:
Absolutely everything went wrong for me, today. I don't mean just three nasty
winners in a row - that can happen on any day. But with the prices: I missed a better
price on East Cape (which cost me); and on Sonderborg (which cost me); but I
managed to lay the winner Bold Phoenix under the cut-off (well, that wasn't difficult)
which cost me more of course; and I also managed to lay Gramm at 6.8 to £30
instead of slightly higher to £20, which also cost quite a bit. Let's just hope nobody
managed to do worse than me today!! ... ???

My profits came to £286.20 (that's £301.27 less exchange commission of 5%) and the
nasty losses added up to a horrendous £470.97 (though obviously they shouldn't have
done, really), leaving me staring a £184.77 loss in the face ... so I lost more today

than I made yesterday ... >

So the bank has now slipped back £184.77, to £4837.37, and tomorrow the backers'
stakes to which I'm laying will remain unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: (£184.77)
Tomorrow's bank: £4837.37
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.68%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 28.78%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 61.24%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.5% >


October strike-rate: 127 wins from 144 selections = 88.19
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 366 wins from 434 selections = 84.33%

:-\

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10-13-2005, 05:13 PM

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I lost £152.50... so not quite as much as you Maria !!

I left Gramm unmatched at 7.4 for ages, then gave up and reduced the stake to £20
for a match at 7.6 ...so a bit luckier than you there!

I got Bold Phoenix matched at 3.0 and Kristinor at 11.0, so lost about the same as
you on those two.

Only managed 7.8 on Baskerville

Still doing great guns overall ;D

Better Luck tomorrow

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Sveika!

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria

Let's just hope nobody managed to do worse than me today!! ... ???

You learn this 'Englush understatement' now, mana jauke meitene?

I think that nobody managed to do worse than you.

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I am a little ahead of you and so using bigger stakes and still I lose less on Phoenix
and Gramm, and I lay for a lower price and higher stake on East Cape just by leaving
unmatched as you teach! I think you lose nothing on Sonderberg though, 7.4 is not
matched anyway, just my opinion.

Thank you again, you will soon win back the loss again. Visu labu!

Janis

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny_Boy

I lost £152.50... so not quite as much as you Maria !!

Ouch, sorry anyway, Jonny - it was a rotten day ... :-[

Bold Phoenix was, of course, a value shortie, really bad history on this surface and a
clear lay at that sort of price: just unlucky. Gramm was a real mistake, and Kristinor
just a huge surprise. A pretty bad day for the system - apologies, but we all know

there will be more, and only the long run counts ...

Thank you for your posts, guys. We will try to win it back soon and surge ahead again
... 8)

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Hi Maria

Been following your lay tips for a few days now (and looking back at your previous

results) and I have to say WOW.* ;D ;D You achieve what so many other only
claim to achieve.* For the moment I'm only 'paper trading' as im saving up to get a
betting bank.

My question is that as it may take a couple of months for me to get my betting bank
up and running,* how long will you be offering your tips on this site for?

I really wish I had found this site and your tips earlier before I had sunk and lost
money in to other 'tipster' who were just fradusters. If I has I would be sharing in

similar success to you.* Ahh I can still hope for the future*

Long may you keep up the good work* ;D

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Hi Aragorn,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

I have to say WOW.

I'll take "wow" as a compliment; thank you ... :-[

But seriously, you need to bear in mind also my three other threads at this fine site.
There's a handicap selections thread of one-point bets, and that's currently running at
about 30 points down at SP; there's a reverse forecasts thread of four-point and six-
point bets and that's currently running at about 20 points down; and there's my "silly
system" thread, which is pretty experimental and not too serious but is still running
with the bank nearly 20% down and currently on a losing run of 8 selections (no

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surprise there!). So you might ask yourself in whom you should be putting any trust

and confidence, and I would be asking that, if I were you ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

You achieve what so many other only claim to achieve.

Regarding laying, that's because I got lucky and started posting at the beginning of
September, and September was quite a good month for me and October (so far, half
way through it) has been an even better one. They could have turned out to be a bad

month and an even worse month for me, and other, future months will ...

This system's been tested live for just over a year and it quadrupled its bank in that
time, but that's no guarantee at all that it will do the same over the next year; and
there might be many reasons why it might not! My feeling is that, as "systems" go,
it's pretty safe, but I might be wrong about that. My feeling is that I'm unlikely to lose
all the money, but I might be wrong about that, too ... ???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

* For the moment I'm only 'paper trading' as im saving up to get a betting bank.

Well, I think you can start this off with £500, because the smallest backer's stake to
which you'd lay would be 0.4% of your bank, and £2 is the Betfair lower limit for

backing stakes ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

My question is that as it may take a couple of months for me to get my betting bank
up and running, how long will you be offering your tips on this site for?

I'm not going anywhere unless and until I get jeered off or anyone's rude ... but so far
everyone's been really polite and friendly to me and I like the site very much. I even
get nice comments about my shoes being sexy ... 8)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

I really wish I had found this site and your tips earlier before I had sunk and lost
money in to other 'tipster' who were just fradusters.

I must say I think this site is miles better than paying a tipster for tips. (And my
strong suspicion is that about 99% of commercial tipping services are either dishonest
or unreliable or both.) There are some great tips here. All of it needs sensible staking,

of course, but you won't easily find better tips ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

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Ahh I can still hope for the future*

There's always the future!

Seriously, don't put too much faith in me, flattering though it would be. I will have
bad runs and losing runs, even with the laying system. I think it will be ok in the long
run, but not all the months will be like the bits you've seen, and that's putting it mildly
... :-\

Although I don't deny that I know plenty about statistics and probabilities and betting
and money-management, my appreciation and understanding of horse-racing is very
limited indeed. Although my family background is money-management, trading,
investing, speculating and whatever you want to call it, I'm young and inexperienced.

It should surprise nobody if I manage to screw up big time - just so you know!

Anyway, welcome and good luck ...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maria


Let's just hope nobody managed to do worse than me today!! ...* ???
Hi Maria,

For anyone who did, it was entirely at their own discretion. No need for you to be
concerned.

Good luck today.

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Good Luck for today Maria

And dont invite any winners

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The Forty-Second Day ... Friday 14th October ...

Semi Detached 1.30 Newmarket ...


Croft 2.15 Redcar ...
On The Bright Side 3.00 Brighton ...
Marshman 3.45 Newmarket ...
Bayard 4.10 Brighton ...
Severely 4.35 Redcar ...
Easy Laughter 4.45 Brighton ...
Unshakable 4.55 Newmarket ...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MayoMan

Good luck today.

thank you, Mr. MM ... :-*

Quote:

Originally Posted by favs

And dont invite any winners

I don't, but they can gatecrash!!

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Results Update: Day 421 ...

Semi Detached 1.30 Newmarket ... 9/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D


Croft 2.15 Redcar ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
On The Bright Side 3.00 Brighton ... 10/1, 6.6, £30.13 ;D
Marshman 3.45 Newmarket ... 15/2, 8.8, £20.08 ;D
Bayard 4.10 Brighton ... 10/1, 9.2 (ugh), £20.08 ;D
Severely 4.35 Redcar ... 12/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D
Easy Laughter 4.45 Brighton ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Unshakable 4.55 Newmarket ... 7/1, 6.8 £30.13 ;D

Comments:
I really wanted to win back all yesterday's loss, but I couldn't quite do it ... :-\

Bayard was one of the biggest movers I've seen: early this morning it was 7.2 (where,
stupidly, I didn't put my lay on, imagining that it could come in from that price!). Then
it turned against me and moved out. I was matched on Bayard at 9.2 (and on 5

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others at various prices) a few minutes after posting the selections, after which it
drifted to 28(!!!) (where a total of £43 was matched, if anyone's remotely interested)
and then came all the way back in to the eventual SP of 10.0 (so 11.0 left unmatched
would presumably have been matched anyway before the off.) An annoying one for
me, because if I'd taken the 7.2 or 7.4 early on, I'd have covered yesterday's loss of

£185, and now I haven't ... >

Mind you, even catching Marshman at 7.4 for £30 instead of at 8.8 for £20 (which was
obviously possible if I hadn't already wrongly settled for the higher figure) would have
done that ... :P

People who lost less than me yesterday (i.e. everyone!) might possibly have reached
a new high today (although not definitely, I realise). If that's so, don't forget to
increase your stakes again pro rata tomorrow, and I will catch you up at some point

(Janis!) ...

Anyway, complaining over now - it was a good day, after all. No nasty accidents

...

My profits came to £181.25 (that's £190.79 less exchange commission of 5%), and no
losses! ;D

So the bank is now £5018.62, not quite a new high, so tomorrow the backers' stakes
to which I'm laying will remain unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £181.25
Tomorrow's bank: £5018.62
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.75%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.6%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 67.29%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D


October strike-rate: 135 wins from 152 selections = 88.82
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 374 wins from 442 selections = 84.62%

;D

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Another Excelent day well done

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stick to short priced lays, they don't hurt as much

you will find out over a period of time I'm right

big price lays lull you in to thinking you have an edge, it's easy to go 30 or so lays
without losing, then you just get one bad day..wipes out a fortnights profit in one go.

if your methods are sound then you should be able to use them to lay horses at less
than 3/1, lot less pain when one of them wins compared to a 10/1 shot

:-*

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Originally Posted by EC

stick to short priced lays, they don't hurt as much

My last 14 months experience of laying a total of about 3,500 horses has so far been
leading me in the other direction, to be honest. I find that they win far more often

than the longer ones, you see, and to me that makes them hurt more ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

you will find out over a period of time I'm right

You seem so certain about it that I'm sure I must be mistaken, EC. Fortunately,
however, I have no problem with being wrong about things myself, and it certainly

happens often enough!

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

big price lays lull you in to thinking you have an edge

Hmmm ... my father thinks he has an edge too, and for that very reason. He actually
makes his living laying on Betfair. He finally retired from his career as a forex and
options trader over 2 years ago to do this for himself rather than working for the bank

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for ever (I don't mean to make him sound ancient when he's only in his mid-40's!).
But like most of the small number of very successful pro-layers on the exchanges, he
only normally lays the longer ones and most of his are actually 11.0+ (though he
usually lays three or four in a race, which I don't often do). So I do hope he's not
mistaken as well ... :-\

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

it's easy to go 30 or so lays without losing, then you just get one bad day..wipes out
a fortnights profit in one go.

I've certainly never found that. But there have only been 2 days like today in nearly
14 months, so I have almost nothing to base it on, you see. But those two days have
each only cost a few days' profits, not a fortnight's as you suggest. And as you're so
certain of being right, that confuses me a little; but never mind, I'm sure we can all
agree that I have so much still to learn, which is why I value people's input here

...

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

if your methods are sound then you should be able to use them to lay horses at less
than 3/1

I do that when I can, but unfortunately not so many of the shorties come up in my
system. And unlike you, EC, I don't know nearly enough about racing to try to do it
other than with my non-discretionary, rule-driven, statistically-proven system. I'm
only a complete beginner really, you see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

a lot less pain when one of them wins compared to a 10/1 shot

One of them - yes; for sure. The problem I've noticed with them is that three or four
of them tend to win for every 10/1 shot that surprises me. A girl can only take so

much disappointment, you know ...

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The forty-Fifth Day ... Monday 17th October ...

Danawi 2.00 Windsor ...


Dusky Lord 2.10 Plumpton ...
Formal Decree 2.20 Pontefract ...
Sunrise Safari 2.30 Windsor ...
Touch Of Fate 2.40 Plumpton ...
Fairlie 2.50 Pontefract ...
Not Allowed 3.00 Windsor ...
Johnny Parks 3.20 Pontefract ...
Parnassian 3.30 Windsor ...
Anticipating 3.40 Plumpton ...
Villago 4.20 Pontefract ...
Geordie Peacock 4.40 Plumpton ...

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If it works for you then good luck to you Maria.

Just speaking from my perspective on the laying game.

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Results Update: Day 45 ...

Danawi 2.00 Windsor ... 5/2, 3.4, £50.22 ;D


Dusky Lord 2.10 Plumpton ... 7/2, 4.6, £30.13 :'(
Formal Decree 2.20 Pontefract ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Sunrise Safari 2.30 Windsor ... 4/1, 3.35, £50.22 ;D
Touch Of Fate 2.40 Plumpton ... 11/1, 10.2, £20.08 :'(
Fairlie 2.50 Pontefract ... 8/1, 9.2, £20.08 ;D
Not Allowed 3.00 Windsor ... 9/1, 9.4, £20.08 ;D
Johnny Parks 3.20 Pontefract ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Parnassian 3.30 Windsor ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Anticipating 3.40 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.2, £30.13 ;D
Villago 4.20 Pontefract ... 8/1, 9.2, £20.08 ;D
Geordie Peacock 4.40 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Just what we needed - another losing day ... :-\

Still a pleasure, compared with yesterday, though ...

My congratulations to anyone who made a profit on the day (which I very much
doubt, because my feeling is that I did really well with prices today!). Two winners
was again one too many, but I'm not complaining too much about the result ... :-X

My profits came to £286.21 (that's £301.28 less exchange commission of 5%), and
my losses were £293.21, leaving a deficit on the day of exactly £7.

So the bank is now £4477.88, and tomorrow the backers' stakes to which I'm laying
will remain unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: (£7)
Tomorrow's bank: £4477.88
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.01%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.21%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 49.26%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%*


October strike-rate: 163 wins from 189 selections = 86.24
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 402 wins from 479 selections = 83.92%

:-\

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How do you work your figures out maria?

The first one for example, Danawi, is £50.22 the liability?, making the profit on the lay
£50.22 divided by 2.4.

10-17-2005, 07:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

How do you work your figures out maria?

The first one for example, Danawi, is £50.22 the liability?, making the profit on the
lay £50.22 divided by 2.4.

For God's sake, EC!!! This is very clearly explained on page 1!!!
Your "perspective on the laying game", as you put it, maybe does not involve being

able to read! >


I suggest to you that there are many other threads here for you to read if you don't
like this one and it seems that you don't!

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Don't be so disrespectful, please, Janis ... :P

EC has his own perspective on laying and I am sure he has much more experience
than I do and I am sure that his reason for posting here is that he's trying to be
helpful, and you should remember this, really ... 8)

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

How do you work your figures out maria? The first one for example, Danawi, is
£50.22 the liability?, making the profit on the lay £50.22 divided by 2.4.

No, that's not my system, EC. The figure given after the odds, for each horse (£50.22
in the case of Danawi) is the backer's stake to which I have laid it. So if the horse
doesn't win the race, that figure is my profit on that race (less my exchange
commission, of course). If it wins the race, then I must pay the backer that figure
multiplied by the price at which I've laid it. So if Danawi had won, I would have paid
out £50.22 x 2.4 = £120.53.

It's £50.22 because the high point of my £3000 bank was £5022 and it's 1% of that
because with horses up to 5/2 (up to 3.5 on the exchange) I lay to a backer's stake
equivalent in size to 1% of my bank, and I use a ratchet method, so for purposes of
staking at the moment I am pretending that my bank is still £5022 although it isn't

really!

For horses at higher prices, of course I lay to a smaller backer's stake so as not to live

too dangerously ...

I don't use either of the two well-known, unsophisticated, simple systems, just laying
to a fixed stake (which I don't use because its accidents are proportionally too
expensive and because it fails adequately to make the profits deserved after
successfully identifying and laying "value shorties"); nor just laying to a fixed
liability (which I don't use because it's inherently mathematically unsound and
ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to happen at the lower end of the
scale). So I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a
complicated mixture of the two different systems, but I find it very straightforward
and I understand (although perhaps wrongly?) that all pro-layers on the exchanges
use some variation of this ... 8)

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Thanks for explaining Maria.

Good luck with it.

Quote:

Your "perspective on the laying game", as you put it, maybe does not involve being
able to read!*
I suggest to you that there are many other threads here for you to read if you don't
like this one and it seems that you don't!

Janis, or whoever or whatever the fcuk you are

I suggest you don't try telling me which threads to read and which not to. Now go
away and mind your own business or I might think you are a troll just here to cause
trouble.

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I'll leave the arguing to you guys and just list the selections, then, shall I? ... : :P

The Forty-Sixth Day ... Tuesday 18th October ...

Krischera 1.50 Southwell ...


Whispering John 2.10 Exeter ...
Gilded Cove 2.20 Southwell ...
Make My Dream 2.30 Yarmouth ...
Surefast 2.40 Exeter ...
Deep Sleep 2.50 Southwell ...
Tuscan Treaty 3.30 Yarmouth ...
King Of Meze 4.00 Yarmouth ...
Bobby Kennard 4.50 Southwell ...

Good luck to all of us today!

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Hi Maria,

Your system seems to be returning to winning ways, after an unusually protracted


losing period.

Good luck today.

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Thank you, MM ... I'm hoping so, although a losing month is always possible and there
were a couple of long periods over the last year when the bank really didn't seem to
move much at all ... :P

I certainly don't claim that the system's perfect: far from it. But if I can duplicate the

last year's results over the current year, I'll be pretty happy with that ...

I suspect, though, that one year's results are not actually enough to predict this
confidently ... :-\

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The Fifty-Third Day ... Wednesday 26th October ...

9 selections today: not bad for a wet Wednesday with one meeting abandoned

...

Diamond Jack 1.45 Sedgefield ...


The River Joker 2.15 Sedgefield ...
Party Games 2.35 Cheltenham ...
Chokdee 3.10 Cheltenham ...
Reiziger 3.10 Cheltenham ...
Celtic Flow 3.25 Sedgefield ...
Sweet Diversion 3.45 Cheltenham ...
Nick The Silver 4.00 Sedgefield ...
Silver Dollars 5.10 Sedgefield ...

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Results Update: Day 53 ...

Diamond Jack 1.45 Sedgefield ... 5/1, 6.4 £30.13 ;D


The River Joker 2.15 Sedgefield ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Party Games 2.35 Cheltenham ... 15/2, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Chokdee 3.10 Cheltenham ... 4/1, 5.7, £30.13 ;D
Reiziger 3.10 Cheltenham ... 4/1, 5.8 £30.13 ;D
Celtic Flow 3.25 Sedgefield ... 13/2, 8.0, £20.08 :'(
Sweet Diversion 3.45 Cheltenham ... 13/2, 8.0, £20.08 ;D
Nick The Silver 4.00 Sedgefield ... 10/1, 10.0, £20.08 :'(
Silver Dollars 5.10 Sedgefield ... 7/1, 10.0 £20.08 ;D

Comments:

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Very difficult at the moment to put together a string of "plus" days, it seems, but
that's quite often how it goes, of course, otherwise it would be easy ... :-[

Not exactly expensive, but frustrating ... :-[

Afraid I laid to some shocking prices today. Could quite easily have done a bit better

but there it is ...

Profits today: £171.72 (that's £180.76 less 5% commission); losses £341.36; net loss
£169.64 ...

Bank now £4394.61; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: (£169.64)
Tomorrow's bank: £4394.61
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.72%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.99%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 46.49%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.77% >


October strike-rate: 229 wins from 268 selections = 85.45%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 468 wins from 558 selections = 83.87%

:-\

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Maria, the bank is still in plus and the "year" has still a long while to go. Chin up, the
balance will steadily move upwards, I am sure of it!

Wolf

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The Fifty-Fourth Day ... Thursday 27th October ...

Sessile 2.20 Lingfield ...

Desert Quest 3.10 Taunton ... <--------- value shortie


Exexel 3.20 Lingfield ...
Killaghy Castle 3.30 Stratford ...
He's The Gaffer 4.10 Taunton ...
Hand Chime 4.20 Lingfield ...
Log On Intersky 4.30 Stratford ...

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Results Update: Day 54 ...

Sessile 2.20 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D


Desert Quest 3.10 Taunton ... 8/11, 1.8, £50.22 :'(
Exexel 3.20 Lingfield ... 14/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Killaghy Castle 3.30 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
He's The Gaffer 4.10 Taunton ... 5/1, 6.2, £30.13 ;D
Hand Chime 4.20 Lingfield ... 7/1, 10.0 £20.08 ;D
Log On Intersky 4.30 Stratford ... 7/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D

Comments:

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Sorry about the value shortie ... but sadly they do sometimes just about manage to
limp round ... :-[

Profits today: £143.09 (that's £150.63 less 5% commission); loss £40.18; net profit

of £102.91 on the day ...

I was hoping to end the month with over £5000, but with only 4 days left, there's no
certainty of that at all ... in fact it's odds against, now ... :-\ :P

Bank now £4497.52; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: £102.91
Tomorrow's bank: £4497.52
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.34%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.73%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 49.92%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71%


October strike-rate: 235 wins from 275 selections = 85.45%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 474 wins from 565 selections = 83.89%

:-\

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The Fifty-Fifth Day ... Friday 28th September ...

Quite a lot today ...

Good Samaritan 1.45 Uttoxeter ...


Kirby's Vic 1.55 Wetherby ...
Gallery Girl 2.05 Newmarket ...
Albuhera 2.25 Wetherby ...

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Swallow Magic 2.50 Uttoxeter ...
Andre Chenier 3.00 Wetherby ...
Pay Attention 3.00 Wetherby ...
Provocative 3.35 Wetherby ...
Mikado 4.35 Uttoxeter ...
Cirrus 4.45 Wetherby ...
Tom Forest 5.00 Newmarket ...

8)

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Results Update: Day 55 ...

Good Samaritan 1.45 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 7.4 £30.13 ;D


Kirby's Vic 1.55 Wetherby ... 13/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D
Gallery Girl 2.05 Newmarket ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Albuhera 2.25 Wetherby ... 11/4, 3.8, £30.13 :'(
Swallow Magic 2.50 Uttoxeter ... 10/1, 9.6, £20.08 ;D
Andre Chenier 3.00 Wetherby ... 5/2, 4.0, £30.13 ;D
Pay Attention 3.00 Wetherby ... 13/2, 5.8 £30.13 ;D
Provocative 3.35 Wetherby ... 8/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'(
Mikado 4.35 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'(
Cirrus 4.45 Wetherby ... 7/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D
Tom Forest 5.00 Newmarket ... ?, 11.0, £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Dreadful day, just when I really wanted a good one ... :'(

Profits today: £200.34 (that's £210.89 less 5% commission); loss £365.49; net loss of

£165.15 on the day ...

Bank now £4332.37; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: (£165.15)
Tomorrow's bank: £4332.37
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.67%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.33%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 44.41%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 11 selections = 72.72% >


October strike-rate: 243 wins from 286 selections = 84.97%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 482 wins from 576 selections = 83.68%

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The Fifty-Sixth Day ... Saturday 29th October ...

Kings Signal 1.40 Lingfield ...


Under The Rainbow 2.05 Newmarket ...
Alderburn 2.15 Lingfield ...
Vandas Choice 2.20 Wetherby ...
The History Man 2.30 Ayr ...
Crystal D'Ainay 2.50 Wetherby ...
Babodana 3.10 Newmarket ...
Rohaani 3.45 Newmarket ...
Mystical Ayr 4.10 Ayr ...
Mussorgsky 4.20 Newmarket ...
Davy's Luck 4.30 Lingfield ...
Valleymore 4.35 Wetherby ...
Habitual Dancer 5.10 Wetherby ...
Bel Cantor 6.45 Wolverhampton ...
Sir Nod 7.20 Wolverhampton ...
Rio Riva 8.30 Wolverhampton ...
Desert Leader 9.00 Wolverhampton ...
Alchemist Master 9.30 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 56 ...

Kings Signal 1.40 Lingfield ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D


Under The Rainbow 2.05 Newmarket ... 9/1, 10.5 £20.08 :'(
Alderburn 2.15 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Vandas Choice 2.20 Wetherby ... 4/1, 5.8, £30.13 ;D
The History Man 2.30 Ayr ... 8/1, 9.2, £20.08 :'(
Crystal D'Ainay 2.50 Wetherby ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Babodana 3.10 Newmarket ... 9/2, 5.6, £30.13 ;D
Rohaani 3.45 Newmarket ... non-runner
Mystical Ayr 4.10 Ayr ... 3/1, 4.8, £30.13 ;D
Mussorgsky 4.20 Newmarket ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Davy's Luck 4.30 Lingfield ... 12/1, 9.6, £20.08 ;D
Valleymore 4.35 Wetherby ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D
Habitual Dancer 5.10 Wetherby ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Bel Cantor 6.45 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Sir Nod 7.20 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D
Rio Riva 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Desert Leader 9.00 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.2, £30.13 ;D
Alchemist Master 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.8, £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Today was one of those frustrating days when I really felt I actually deserved to do a

little bit better than I did ... (and I don't often say that) ... >

Profits today: £343.42 (that's £361.50 less 5% commission); losses £355.42; net loss

of exactly £12 on the day, which is pretty annoying! ...

Bank now £4320.37; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: (£12)
Tomorrow's bank: £4320.37
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.28%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.01%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 44.01%

Today's strike-rate: 15 wins from 17 selections = 88.23


October strike-rate: 258 wins from 303 selections = 85.15%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 497 wins from 593 selections = 83.81%

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Sunday 30th October ... no selections ...

The going's very bad and unreliable today, apart from at Lingfield obviously, and I'm

taking a day off today ... the system returns tomorrow ...

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Its a good idea to have regular days off as this thread must take up a lot of your
time.

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Thanks, Martin ... I take your point entirely ...

It depends how you look at it, a little bit, though ... I'm doing all the work anyway, for
myself and my own betting ... the thread itself is only really "typing and translating

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time" (which means fingernail and brain injuries!) ...

The 57th Day ... Monday 31st October, last day of the month with everything to play
for but not many selections, unfortunately ...

Shakespeare 1.30 Wolverhampton ...


Honey's Gift 2.20 Warwick ...
Lady Synthia 2.30 Wolverhampton ...
Lucky Sinna 3.40 Plumpton ...
Midnight Gunner 3.50 Warwick ...
Samson Quest 5.00 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 57 ...

Shakespeare 1.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D


Honey's Gift 2.20 Warwick ... 8/1, 9.6, £20.08 ;D
Lady Synthia 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.0 £30.13 ;D
Lucky Sinna 3.40 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Midnight Gunner 3.50 Warwick ... 15/2, 8.0, £20.08 :'(
Samson Quest 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Not exactly the end to the month that I wanted, but what can you do? ???

Profits today: £124.02 (that's £130.55 less 5% commission); loss £140.56; net loss of

£16.54 on the day ...

Bank now £4303.83; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £3756.36
Profit/(loss) today: (£16.54)
Tomorrow's bank: £4303.83
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.38%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.57%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 43.46%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33


October strike-rate: 263 wins from 309 selections = 85.11%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 502 wins from 599 selections = 83.8%

I'll post a little round-up of the month later ...

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Quick "round-up of the month" ... :

In September, a strike-rate of only 81.72% produced 25% profit. In October, a strike-


rate of 85.11% produced 14.57% profit. I'm afraid this is typical of the sort of
variability I expect from month to month ... :-\

The last couple of weeks have felt to me like a really difficult patch. They've contained
the two worst days I've ever had, and that wasn't too enjoyable. But at the end of the
month, 14.57% profit on the month is nothing to be too upset about. At least, if it is
for you, then this system isn't for you because I guarantee there'll be worse months

than this ...

Not much more to say, really, except that we continue tomorrow, and I wish us all a

profitable and prosperous November ...

(Janis, if you're around, and especially if you did every bet like last month, you're very
welcome to say whether you did better or worse than me over the month, and
especially whether you laid to better or worse prices overall than I did.)

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Hi Maria,

A quick check for October, your selections coincided with mine 138 times, you were
best priced on 87 occasions.

I never lay before the first show, might be a moral for me there.

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Thank you, MayoMan ... interesting observation ...

I very often lay before the first show, actually, but by "glorified guesswork" really. I
have never really known whether I gain from it. Maybe some months I gain from it
and others I lose by it ... ???

It's difficult to know, but most of the time (one hopes!) the horse loses anyway and
then it makes no difference. Actually even this isn't always true, because with my
system the price sometimes affects the amount of backer's stake to which I lay. But if
the price is close to a cut-off I will always leave an unmatched position open.

And of course if someone lays to fixed liability, this question will always be important
for them anyway ...

I wish you a very successful November, Sir.

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The Fifty-Eighth Day ... Tuesday 1st November ...

A nice new month to enter ...

Not so many today: just a couple of dangerous shorties, a couple of dangerous long
ones and a couple of dangerous inbetweenies ... ;D

Bella Bonkers 1.50 Worcester ...


Soto 2.00 Catterick ...
Stoop To Conquer 2.10 Exeter ...
Idle Talk 2.50 Worcester ...
Dizzy In The Head 3.30 Catterick ...
Ego Trip 4.00 Catterick ...

Wishing us all a good and profitable month ... 8)

Note for anyone looking in for the first time: these are system lays, not
horses to back. I suggest you don't pick and choose, trying to fit this
"information" in with selections from other sources: in my experience it
doesn't work well that way!

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Results Update: Day 58 ...

Bella Bonkers 1.50 Worcester ... 9/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D


Soto 2.00 Catterick ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Stoop To Conquer 2.10 Exeter ... 11/4, 4.3, £30.13 ;D
Idle Talk 2.50 Worcester ... 7/2, 4.2, £30.13 :'(
Dizzy In The Head 3.30 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.0, £30.13 :'(
Ego Trip 4.00 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:

Ugh ... > :'(

Not ideal, really. Idle Talk not too horrific, because laying in the 7/2 region is always
going to be a bit high risk compared with the average, obviously; Dizzy In The Head

just turned out to be a dreadful selection ...

Profits today: £95.40 (that's £100.42 less 5% commission); losses £277.20; net loss

of £181.80 on the day ...*

Bank now £4122.03; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: (£181.80)
Tomorrow's bank: £4122.03
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.22%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.22%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 37.4%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.66% >


October strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.66%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 506 wins from 605 selections = 83.63%

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Results Update: Day 63 ...

Tribal Dancer 1.20 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 56, £30.13 ;D


Classic Capers 1.50 Market Rasen ... non-runner
Good Investment 2.00 Ayr ... 3/1, 3.35, £50.22 ;D
Fearless Foursome 2.00 Ayr ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Underwriter 2.40 Hereford ... 11/4, 3.75, £30.13 :'(
Jericho Iii 3.30 Ayr ... 11/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Kaikovra 3.40 Hereford ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Classy Chav 4.00 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Butler Services 4.10 Hereford ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Yesterday minus £108.94. Today couldn't quite get it back to the penny, but plus

£108.55 ...

Profits today: £190.81 (that's £200.85 less 5% commission); and loss £82.86, leaving
a net profitt on the day of £108.55.

Bank now £4214.02; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: £108.55
Tomorrow's bank: £4214.02
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.64%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.09%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.47%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5%


October strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 541 wins from 647 selections = 83.62%

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Pity about Underwriter but still a good days profit, Well Done

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The Sixty-Fourth Day ... Monday 7th November ...

Only Wolverhampton taking place today, but still a few to lay there ...

Jimmy The Guesser 1.55 ...


Efrhina 3.05 ...
Mobo Baco 4.45 ...
We'll Meet Again 5.15 ...
Baby Barry 5.15 ...

8)

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Results Update: Day 64 ...

Jimmy The Guesser 1.55 ... 6/4, 2.6, £50.22 :'( :P :P :P :P :P


Efrhina 3.05 ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Mobo Baco 4.45 ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
We'll Meet Again 5.15 ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Baby Barry 5.15 ... 9/2, 6.6, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Was not worth getting out of bed today, especially when you think that the "other
four" were all unplaced and it never even occurred to me that they might be place lays
... :-\

Profits today: £85.85 (that's £90.37 less 5% commission); and loss £80.35, leaving a
net profit on the day of £5.50, don't spend it all at once ... :P

Bank now £4219.52; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: £5.50
Tomorrow's bank: £4219.52
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: not worth calculating


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.96%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.65%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 5 selections = 80%


October strike-rate: 43 wins from 53 selections = 81.13%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 545 wins from 652 selections = 83.59%

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The Sixty-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 8th November ...

Gallant Approach 1.00 Huntingdon ...


Sheer Guts 1.10 Sedgefield ...
Bohemian Brook 1.40 Sedgefield ...
Jackie Kiely 1.50 Southwell ...
Fairy Skin Maker 2.40 Sedgefield ...
Domenico 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Ndola 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Posh Stick 3.10 Sedgefield ...

I'm matched on the two in the 3.00 at Huntingdon, at 10.0 and 11.0. They are both
currently slightly above 11.0, I admit. I hope that 11.0 will get matched or that people
will perhaps decide to take a chance on 12.0, if they wish. I will be including both of
them in the results, anyway ... 8)

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Results Update: Day 65 ...

Gallant Approach 1.00 Huntingdon ... 11/2, 4.8, £30.13 :'(


Sheer Guts 1.10 Sedgefield ... 5/1, 5.8, £30.13 :'(
Bohemian Brook 1.40 Sedgefield ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Jackie Kiely 1.50 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.4, £30.13 :'(
Fairy Skin Maker 2.40 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Domenico 3.00 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Ndola 3.00 Huntingdon ... 20/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Posh Stick 3.10 Sedgefield ... non-runner

Comments:
I laid Ndola at 11.0 this morning, as I mentioned above, but it opened at 10/1

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anyway, before drifting. Of the others I do not speak ... :-X

Profits today: £76.30 (that's £80.32 less 5% commission); and nasty losses £421.83,
leaving a net loss on the day of £341.51 ... :'(

The bank has now slipped back to £3878.01; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: (£345.51)
Tomorrow's bank: £3878.01
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: not worth calculating


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (9.89%) :'(
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 29.27%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 7 selections = 57.14% :'(


October strike-rate: 47 wins from 60 selections = 78.33% :'(
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 549 wins from 659 selections = 83.31%

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The Sixty-Sixth Day ...

Wednesday 9th November ...

Abbielou 2.20 Wolverhampton ...


Musical Romance 2.50 Wolverhampton ...
Lanmire Tower 3.00 Lingfield ...
The Rebound Kid 3.20 Wolverhampton ...
St Ivian 3.50 Wolverhampton ...
Flyingwithoutwings 4.00 Lingfield ...
J R Stevenson 4.20 Wolverhampton ...
Orenay 4.50 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 66 ...

Abbielou 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 15/2, 11.0, £20.08 ;D


Musical Romance 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 6.0, £30.13 ;D
Lanmire Tower 3.00 Lingfield ... 11/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'(
The Rebound Kid 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
St Ivian 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Flyingwithoutwings 4.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
J R Stevenson 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Orenay 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £171.72 (that's £180.76 less 5% commission); and loss £160.64,
leaving a net profit on the day of £11.08.

I'm not complaining because I laid everything very early today and in a hurry, and it
didn't cost me anything to do this. Lanmire Tower opened at 8/1, came in to 7/1 and
then drifted all the way to 11/1 apparently, so it looks like for once I got about the

best price, quite by chance, on the only one that really mattered ...

The bank is now £3889.09; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: £11.08
Tomorrow's bank: £3889.09
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: not worth calculating


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (9.63%)* :'(
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 29.63%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5%

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October strike-rate: 54 wins from 68 selections = 79.41%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 556 wins from 667 selections = 83.35%

:-\

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The Sixty-Seventh Day ... Thursday 10th November ...

Moonshine Surprise 1.40 Taunton ...


Ready To Rumble 2.00 Ludlow ...
Law Breaker 2.20 Lingfield ...
Alright Now Mlad 2.30 Ludlow ...
Luneray3.00 Ludlow ...
Red Dahlia 3.10 Taunton ...
Swindon 3.20 Lingfield ...
Air Guitar 3.30 Ludlow ...
Hehasalife 3.40 Taunton ...

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Results Update: Day 67 ...

Moonshine Surprise 1.40 Taunton ... 11/4, 3.4, £50.22 ;D


Ready To Rumble 2.00 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.2, £30.13 ;D
Law Breaker 2.20 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.8, £20.08 ;D
Alright Now Mlad 2.30 Ludlow ... 16/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Luneray3.00 Ludlow ... 9/4, 3.3, £50.22 :'(
Red Dahlia 3.10 Taunton ... 17/2, 10.5, £20.08 ;D
Swindon 3.20 Lingfield ... non-runner
Air Guitar 3.30 Ludlow ... 15/2, 7.4, £30.13 :'(
Hehasalife 3.40 Taunton ... 11/4, 5.2, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Very difficult at the moment, one of those periods that really test your patience and
discipline. Can't object too much to Luneray at 9/4, I suppose, as shorties are always

going to be high-risk; but Air Guitar was most unexpected and unpleasant ...

Profits today: £162.18 (that's £170.72 less 5% commission); and loss £308.35,
leaving a net deficit on the day of £146.17.

The bank is now £3742.92; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: (£146.17)
Tomorrow's bank: £3742.92
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.76%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (13.03%)* :'(
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 24.76%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75% >


October strike-rate: 60 wins from 76 selections = 78.95%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 562 wins from 675 selections = 83.26%

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you're on a roll again Maria, well done.

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WELL DONE Maria

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:-* :-*

The Seventy-Fifth Day ... Friday 18th November ... what can I tell you ... we are three
quarters of the way to our first hundred days and it's too cold ... :-\

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M'Lord 1.10 Exeter ...
Spectrometer 2.15 Exeter ...
Myson 2.40 Windsor ...
L'Eau Du Nil 3.25 Exeter ...
Mister Apples 3.45 Windsor ...

Five is enough for today, with Kelso frozen off, n'est-ce pas?

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Results Update: Day 75 ...

M'Lord 1.10 Exeter ... 5/2, 3.25, £50.22 ;D


Spectrometer 2.15 Exeter ... 6/1, 6.8, £30.13 ;D
Myson 2.40 Windsor ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
L'Eau Du Nil 3.25 Exeter ... 9/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D
Mister Apples 3.45 Windsor ... 17/2, 11.0, £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £152.65 (that's £160.59 less 5% commission); no losses* ;D

Bank now £4441.01; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

And that brings the month back into profit ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: £152.65
Tomorrow's bank: £4441.01
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.56%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.19% 8)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 48.03%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 5 selections = 100%* ;D


October strike-rate: 117 wins from 139 selections = 84.17%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 619 wins from 738 selections = 83.88%

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Hi Maria, looking good.*

Whilst your staking system is no doubt proving good enough for you, after reading
your first post, I just wanted to disagree with your reasoning behind disliking fixed
liability staking. When staking in the stepping manner that you do, you should find it
more profitable actually increasing your stakes the higher the odds and not vice
versa.* Yes it's more liability, but as you said yourself, the higher end of the scale is
less likely to win. I have over 50,000 lays in spreadsheets from around 3 different
systems, built into excel are over 10 staking strategies and nothing beats fixed
liability.* Fixed stake is less volatile for those who like a slightly less profitable yet
more stable ride.

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I have over 50,000 lays in spreadsheets from around 3 different systems, built into
excel are over 10 staking strategies

Oooooh, you have miles more than me, of course. Thank you for posting here ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by lay-2-win

nothing beats fixed liability.* Fixed stake is less volatile for those who like a slightly
less profitable yet more stable ride ...

Sure - I understand this, that's sort of why I'm combining the two, hoping to find the
best of both worlds and at the same time make it reasonably stable for people with a

bit of a nervous disposition ... :-\

If I can interest you in continuing the conversation, please register instead of being a

guest so that at least I can pester you with a private message? but thank you for
your comments anyway! 8)

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Weel done Maria full house today 8)

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Hi LAY-2WIN can you explain your fixed liability system

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Thanks, guys ...

Sorry, but no lay selections today (Saturday 19th Nov) ... not feeling great, and a day
off doesn't hurt occasionally ... :-[

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how can a guest post. thought you had to be registered ???

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You do, he got deleted :-*

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was he a naughty boy?

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Even naughtier than you

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So I don't even have the monopoly on being naughty? :'( Not even in the "Maria's
laying system" thread? :'( :'(

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Hi LAY-2WIN* can you explain your fixed liability system

You lay to fixed lability ;D

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You are still doing good, Maria!

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Hope your feeling better Maria :-*

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The Seventy-Sixth Day (yawn) ... Sunday 20th November ...

Conna Castle 12.55 Cork ...


Arteea 1.15 Punchestown ...
State Of Play 1.30 Plumpton ...
Stavordale Lad 1.30 Plumpton ...
Brave Inca 2.15 Punchestown ...
Macs Joy 2.15 Punchestown ...
Forest Gunner 2.50 Aintree ...
Manque Neuf 3.10 Plumpton ...

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Results Update: Day 76 ...

Conna Castle 12.55 Cork ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.13 ;D


Arteea 1.15 Punchestown ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
State Of Play 1.30 Plumpton ... 9/4, 3.0, £50.22 :'(
Stavordale Lad 1.30 Plumpton ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Brave Inca 2.15 Punchestown ... 11/4, 3.8, £30.13 :'(
Macs Joy 2.15 Punchestown ... 11/2, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Forest Gunner 2.50 Aintree ... 11/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D
Manque Neuf 3.10 Plumpton ... 6/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'(

Comments:

Eeuuuuuuuuuh, was really not expecting such a bad day today ...

It was especially bad for me because I managed to lay State Of Play within my lowest
cut-off and therefore for the largest amount ... :'(

Profits today: £143.11 (that's £150.65 less 5% commission); losses of £345.45


leaving a net loss on the day of £202.34.

Bank now £4238.67; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: (£202.34)
Tomorrow's bank: £4238.67
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.56%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.51%) :'(
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 41.29%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 8 selections = 67.5% >


October strike-rate: 122 wins from 147 selections = 82.99%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 624 wins from 746 selections = 83.65%

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Monday 21st November ...

No lays today ... with Ludlow abandoned and Lingfield being banded racing, there isn't
so much left ... and I can't get too enthusiastic about Southwell, really ... sorry ... :-\

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Monday 21st November ...

No lays today ... with Ludlow abandoned and Lingfield being banded racing, there
isn't so much left ... and I can't get too enthusiastic about Southwell, really ... sorry
...* :-\

Know what you mean Maria tricky racing today,i was glad to end up £3 up (£200 ish
down at one point) today and was'nt confident about any selections which is why i
did'nt post any............. :'(

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Oooooh! £3 up is a whole lot better than £200 down!!

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22nd November ... sorry, still not well here ... might be off for another day or two. I
am not abandoning the thread, or the forum, and will be back very soon to continue -
promise! ;D

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hope you feel better soon

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Thanks, Richy ...

The Seventy-Seventh Day ... Thursday 24th November ...

Inchcape Rock 12.30 Taunton ...


Turpin Green 1.15 Carlisle ...
Buddhi 1.25 Uttoxeter ...
Chockdee 1.40 Taunton ...
Nevada Red 1.50 Carlisle ...
Pearly Bay 2.15 Taunton ...
Finzi 3.10 Uttoxeter ...
Tonic Du Charmil 3.20 Taunton ...

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Results Update: Day 77 ...

Inchcape Rock 12.30 Taunton ... 9/4, 3.4, £50.22 ;D


Turpin Green 1.15 Carlisle ... evens, 2.0, £50.22 :'(
Buddhi 1.25 Uttoxeter ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Chockdee 1.40 Taunton ... 10/3, 4.5, £30.13 ;D
Nevada Red 1.50 Carlisle ... 9/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Pearly Bay 2.15 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 :'(
Finzi 3.10 Uttoxeter ... 11/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D
Tonic Du Charmil 3.20 Taunton ... 7/2, 6.0, £30.13 ;D

Comments:

Managed to lose a few pounds today, on balance ... >

Profits today: £181.28 (that's £190.82 less 5% commission); losses of £194.85


leaving a net loss on the day of £13.57.

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Bank now £4225.10; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: (£13.57)
Tomorrow's bank: £4225.10
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.32%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.83%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.84%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75%* >


October strike-rate: 128 wins from 155 selections = 82.58%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 630 wins from 754 selections = 83.55%

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The Seventy-Eighth Day ... Friday 25th November ...

Backgammon 12.50 Musselburgh ...


Ornella Speed 1.20 Musselburgh ...
Lustral Du Seuil 1.35 Newbury ...
Danse Spectre 1.45 Wolverhampton ...
Best Game 1.55 Musselburgh ...
Shalako 2.15 Newbury ...
Lyrical Blue 4.25 Wolverhampton ...

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Shalako runs in the 3.15 at Newbury, of course, not the "2.15" as mentioned in the
post above. (There isn't a "2.15" race anywhere). Just a typo, sorry ... ???

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Results Update: Day 78 ...

Backgammon 12.50 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D


Ornella Speed 1.20 Musselburgh ... 8/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D
Lustral Du Seuil 1.35 Newbury ... 9/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D

Danse Spectre 1.45 Wolverhampton ... non-runner :


Best Game 1.55 Musselburgh ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Shalako 3.15 Newbury ... 5/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D
Lyrical Blues 4.25 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 10.0 £20.08 ;D

Comments:

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Profits today: £162.19 (that's £170.73 less 5% commission); no losses ... ;D

Bank now £4387.29; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4303.83
Profit/(loss) today: £162.19
Tomorrow's bank: £4387.29
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.84%

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.94%


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 46.24%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%* ;D


October strike-rate: 134 wins from 161 selections = 83.23%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 636 wins from 760 selections = 83.68%

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Well done today Maria, 100% success rate, hard to beat.

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Methodically excluding system selections for whatever reason will cost you more than
it will profit you. Nevertheless, you're doing alright by looks of things.

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Methodically excluding system selections for whatever reason will cost you more
than it will profit you.

I've often wondered. Certainly I have no real significant evidence of the opposite.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooer missus

Nevertheless, you're doing alright by looks of things.*

Thanks ... but to be honest I'm doing worse than the previous year over the same
period. I'm hoping that that's just random, of course. And I'm hoping that January
and February will be as kind to me as they were last year, but that may also have
been random! ... ??? ??? ???

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Hi Maria,

Glad to see you've returned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maria


a bit lucky with the prices at which King Of Gothland and Vertical Bloom laid,
In fact it was the difference between a winning and losing day. Definitely more
profitable to obtain the best prices.

Good luck today.

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Thank you, MayoMan ...

So ... the Eighty-Eighth Day (this language!) ...

Friday 9th December ... busier, today ... and some real shorties of the kind I dislike so

much ...

Mind Alert 12.35 Wolverhampton ...


Mambazo 12.35 Wolverhampton ...
Back Nine 12.45 Cheltenham ...
Dennick 1.35 Doncaster ...
Spot Thedifference 1.55 Cheltenham ...
Lorient Express 2.40 Doncaster
Covent Garden 3.05 Cheltenham ...
The Duke's Speech 3.15 Doncaster ...
Obrigado 4.00 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 88 ...

Mind Alert 12.35 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D


Mambazo 12.35 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.0, £30.13 :'(
Back Nine 12.45 Cheltenham ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Dennick 1.35 Doncaster ... 2/1, 3.1, £50.22 :'(
Spot Thedifference 1.55 Cheltenham ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Lorient Express 2.40 Doncaster ... 2/1, 2.5, £50.22 :'(
Covent Garden 3.05 Cheltenham ... 6/1, 5.8, £30.13 ;D
The Duke's Speech 3.15 Doncaster ... 7/2, 5.0, £30.13 ;D
Obrigado 4.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:

Eeeeewwwwwwwwww ... > could just have done without today's results ...

Profits today: £162.19 (that's £170.73 less 5% commission); losses £301.31, net loss
on the day of £139.12.

Bank now £3988.53; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: (£139.12)
Tomorrow's bank: £3988.53
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.37%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.82%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 32.95%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 9 selections = 66.67% :'(

December strike-rate: 21 wins from 28 selections = 75% >


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 674 wins from 815 selections = 82.7%

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It's a tough ride in the laying world of late Maria. Big upturns should be arriving any

second.

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Agree with your first sentence; so hoping your second is right, too - thank you ... 8)

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The Eighty-Ninth Day ... Saturday 10th December ...

Not so much today for a Saturday, but Lingfield's abandoned and I can't really find
anything suitable at Wolverhampton this evening ... :-[

Silsong 12.30 Southwell ...


Bull Market 1.05 Southwell ...
Don't Call Me Derek 1.45 Doncaster ...
Amwell Brave 2.10 Southwell ...
Krakow Baba 2.20 Doncaster ...
Black Jack Ketchum 3.45 Cheltenham ...

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Results Update: Day 89 ...

Silsong 12.30 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D


Bull Market 1.05 Southwell ... 10/11, 2.0, £50.22 :'(
Don't Call Me Derek 1.45 Doncaster ... 3/1, 4.3, £30.13 ;D
Amwell Brave 2.10 Southwell ... 9/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Krakow Baba 2.20 Doncaster ... 9/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D
Black Jack Ketchum 3.45 Cheltenham ... 4/6, 1.66, £50.22 :'(

Comments:
Just a note of "academic interest": I don't remember ever before having 2 horses win
out of 6 selections and still making a profit on the day ... :-\

Profits today: £114.49 (that's £120.52 less 5% commission); losses £83.37, net profit
on the day of £31.12.

Bank now £4019.65; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)

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Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £31.12
Tomorrow's bank: £4019.65
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.78%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.08%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 33.99%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 6 selections = 66.67%

December strike-rate: 25 wins from 34 selections = 73.53%* >


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 678 wins from 821 selections = 82.58%

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Yes indeed ... I wondered if that comment might "draw you in", EC ... ;D

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;D :P

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That's where your staking policy finally becomes advantageous. I still wager you'd be
more up on fixed liability :P

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The Ninetieth Day ... Monday 12th Decembuary ...

Cost Analysis 1.10 Wolverhampton ...


Harare 1.10 Wolverhampton ...
Cativo Cavallino 1.40 Wolverhampton ...
Naval Attache 3.00 Southwell ...
Killing Me Softly 3.20 Plumpton ...
Blueberry Tart 3.40 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 90 ...

Cost Analysis 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D


Harare 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Cativo Cavallino 1.40 Wolverhampton ... 5/6, 1.89, £50.22 ;D
Naval Attache 3.00 Southwell ... 7/4, 2.66, £50.22 ;D
Killing Me Softly 3.20 Plumpton ... 7/1, 8.8, £20.08 ;D
Blueberry Tart 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
This month's in profit ... 8)

Profits today: £200.36 (that's £210.91 less 5% commission); no losses ... ;D

Bank now £4220.01; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £200.36
Tomorrow's bank: £4220.01
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.98%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.7% 8)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 40.67%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%

December strike-rate: 31 wins from 40 selections = 77.5%* >


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 684 wins from 827 selections = 82.71%

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some shorties there, nice 8)

I bottled out of laying Cativo, it was a toss up between Surdoe and that for me today.

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Well done with Surdoe; brave call ... never looked anywhere near winning: very good

selection in spite of being dangerously short ...

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WELL DONE Maria

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Smashing stuff Maria

Top of the Pops

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Tuesday 13th December ... sorry, mostly travelling today ("today, I will mostly be

travelling!" ), so no selections. Back to normal tomorrow ... 8)

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The Ninety-First Day ... Wednesday 14th December ...

Villair 1.35 Bangor


Hiers De Brouage 1.55 Newbury ...
Spring Grove 2.25 Newbury ...
Beau Supreme 2.25 Newbury ...
Fourty Acers 2.40 Bangor ...
Park Star 2.50 Lingfield ...
Heavenly Chorus 3.30 Newbury ...
Bartercard 3.40 Bangor ...

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Results Update: Day 91 ...

Villair 1.35 Bangor ... 9/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D


Hiers De Brouage 1.55 Newbury ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D
Spring Grove 2.25 Newbury ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Beau Supreme 2.25 Newbury ... 9/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Fourty Acers 2.40 Bangor ... 9/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D
Park Star 2.50 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Heavenly Chorus 3.30 Newbury ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Bartercard 3.40 Bangor ... 12/1, 8.6, £20.08 ;D

Comments:

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Profits today: £200.34 (that's £210.89 less 5% commission); no losses ...* ;D

Bank now £4420.35; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £200.34
Tomorrow's bank: £4420.35
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.75%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.49%* 8)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 47.34%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100%*


December strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 692 wins from 835 selections = 82.87%

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nicely done Maria - making this laying game look easy again ;D

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The Ninety-Second Day ... Thursday 15th December ...

Lord Payne 12.50 Catterick ...


Water Taxi 1.20 Catterick ...
The Merry Mason 1.50 Catterick ...
Good Outlook 2.20 Catterick ...
North Landing 2.50 Catterick ...
Custom Design 3.20 Catterick ...

And if they turn out to be no good as intended, as lays, then I will just have to come
back later and change the heading to "Through the card at Catterick" ... ;D

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Results Update: Day 92 ...

Lord Payne 12.50 Catterick ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D


Water Taxi 1.20 Catterick ... 13/2, 6.6, £30.13 ;D
The Merry Mason 1.50 Catterick ... 10/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Good Outlook 2.20 Catterick ... 5/1, 5.9, £30.13 ;D
North Landing 2.50 Catterick ... 9/1, 10.0, £20.08 :'(
Custom Design 3.20 Catterick ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
North Landing ... that's nearly as bad as a loser can be in this system ... :P

Profits today: £133.57 (that's £140.60 less 5% commission); loss £200.80, net loss

on the day of £67.23 ... >

Bank now £4353.12; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: (£67.23)
Tomorrow's bank: £4353.12
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.52%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.88%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.1%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33


December strike-rate: 44 wins from 54 selections = 81.48%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 697 wins from 841 selections = 82.88%

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Unlucky With North Landing , wish you had been right as picked that as a bet and
missed it due to comp probs :'(

Well Done with yesterdays selections, sorry bit late but only just got to read what you
did yesterday.

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The Ninety-Third Day ... Firday 16th December ...

Pedros Brief 12.30 Windsor ...


Noun De La Thinte 12.50 Uttoxeter ...
Gentleman Jimmy 1.00 Windsor ...
Madrasee 1.40 Wolverhampton ...
Maximinus 2.05 Windsor ...
Jarro 3.10 Windsor ...
Tiger Tiger 3.20 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: Day 93 ...

Pedros Brief 12.30 Windsor ... 13/2, 7.8, £20.08 :'(


Noun De La Thinte 12.50 Uttoxeter ... 10/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D
Gentleman Jimmy 1.00 Windsor ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Madrasee 1.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D
Maximinus 2.05 Windsor ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Jarro 3.10 Windsor ... 11/2, 6.2, £30.13 ;D
Tiger Tiger 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £152.64 (that's £160.68 less 5% commission); loss £136.55, net profit

on the day of only £16.09 ...* >

Bank now £4369.21; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)

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Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £16.09
Tomorrow's bank: £4369.21
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.37%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.26%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.64%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71


December strike-rate: 50 wins from 61 selections = 81.97%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 703 wins from 848 selections = 82.9%

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The Ninety-Fourth Day ... Saturday 17th December ...

Restricted choice, with a couple of meetings abandoned ... :P

One Way Ticket 12.20 Lingfield ...


Storm Becks 12.30 Fairyhouse ...
Alphabetic 1.35 Haydock ...
Double Honour 2.05 Haydock ...
Nathos 2.35 Haydock ...
Fromsong 3.00 Lingfield ...

Good luck ...

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Results Update: Day 94 ...

One Way Ticket 12.20 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.3, £30.13 ;D


Storm Becks 12.30 Fairyhouse ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Alphabetic 1.35 Haydock ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Double Honour 2.05 Haydock ... 9/2, 5.6, £30.13 :'(
Nathos 2.35 Haydock ... 6/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D
Fromsong 3.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 8.8, £20.08 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £124.02 (that's £130.55 less 5% commission); loss £138.60, net loss
on the day of £14.58 ...

Bank now £4354.63; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: (£14.58)
Tomorrow's bank: £4354.63
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.33%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.92%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.16%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33


December strike-rate: 55 wins from 67 selections = 82.09%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 708 wins from 854 selections = 82.9%

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The Ninety-Fifth Day ... Sunday 18th December ...

Ton-Chee 1.20 Musselburgh ...


Mr Incredible 1.30 Southwell ...
Spring Breeze 1.50 Musselburgh ...
Saif Sareea 2.20 Musselburgh ...
Snowy 2.50 Musselburgh ...
Sea Frolic 3.30 Southwell ...

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Results Update: Day 95 ...

Ton-Chee 1.20 Musselburgh ... 10/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D


Mr Incredible 1.30 Southwell ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D
Spring Breeze 1.50 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 6.0, £30.13 ;D
Saif Sareea 2.20 Musselburgh ... 7/2, 3.0, £100.44 :'(
Snowy 2.50 Musselburgh ... 11/4, 3.85, £30.13 :'(
Sea Frolic 3.30 Southwell ... 2/1, 3.7, £30.13 :'(

Comments:

Miserable shorties ... not to be trusted ... > :'(

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Profits today: £76.32 (that's £80.34 less 5% commission); losses £267.66, net loss on
the day of £191.34 ...

Bank now £4163.29; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: (£191.34)
Tomorrow's bank: £4163.29
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.39%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.65%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 38.78%

Today's strike-rate: 3 wins from 6 selections = 50% :P

December strike-rate: 58 wins from 73 selections = 79.45% >


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 711 wins from 860 selections = 82.67%

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The Ninety-Sixth Day ... Monday 19th December ...

Patience and discipline; patience and discipline; patience and discipline ... 8) 8) 8)

The Grocer's Curate 12.45 Doncaster ...


Fuel Cell 1.20 Doncaster ...
Willheconquertoo 2.20 Wolverhampton ...
Presumptuous 2.30 Doncaster ...
Lindsay 3.00 Doncaster ...
Harare 3.20 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck!

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Results Update: Day 96 ...

The Grocer's Curate 12.45 Doncaster ... 6/1, 4.2, £30.13 ;D


Fuel Cell 1.20 Doncaster ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Willheconquertoo 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Presumptuous 2.30 Doncaster ... 7/1, 8.0, £20.08 ;D
Lindsay 3.00 Doncaster ... 9/2, 5.2, £30.13 :'(
Harare 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Not worth bothering today ... the only saving grace was that at least Lindsay (which
turned out to be the one that mattered) was easy to lay to a good price, as it touched
4/1 ... but on the other hand I think I missed the opportunity to lay Presumptuous to
7.4 (which would have made a profit on the day instead of a loss for me) by stupidly
not leaving 7.4 unmatched for some reason ... ???

Profits today: £124.02 (that's £130.55 less 5% commission); loss £126.55, net loss
on the day of £2.53 ...

Bank now £4160.76; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: (£2.53)
Tomorrow's bank: £4160.76
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.06%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.71%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 38.7%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 6 selections = 83.33%

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December strike-rate: 63 wins from 79 selections = 79.75%* >
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 716 wins from 866 selections = 82.68%

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Well done Maria You put a lot of hard work into this and deserve credit

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Thanks, Viva ... :-*

So ... the Ninety-Seventh Day ... Tuesday 20th December ...

Quite a lot today for a "quiet Tuesday before Christmas" ... :-\

Danelor 12.50 Southwell

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Dictator 1.10 Fontwell ...
Grenane 1.30 Lingfield ...
Blackthorn 1.40 Fontwell (11.0)
Making Moves 1.50 Southwell ...
Mercato 2.10 Fontwell ...
Maktavish 2.20 Southwell ...
Waterside 2.30 Lingfield ...
Ballyhoo 2.40 Fontwell ...
Forest Fauna 2.40 Fontwell ...
Walcot Lad 3.10 Fontwell ...

I'm already matched at 11.0 on Blackthorn and will therefore be including it in the

results, though at the moment it's higher ...

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Originally Posted by Viva

Well done Maria You put a lot of hard work into this and deserve credit

She deserves more than that!!

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You never know where your "credit"'s good, these days, though ... :

Not so sure today, after getting the 3.10 race so wrong. Have been out most of the
afternoon ... but I backed Lost In Normandy (handicap selection) and laid Walcot Lad,
which apparently won the race at 6/1 (I laid to £20.08 at 7.8, costing me £136.55 -
plus the £20.08 less commission I failed to win, of course!). Could have been worse, I
suppose ... my only winner, anyway ... :-\

Will update my results later, but must be up £100 or so, I think ... :-\

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Well done Maria

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Results Update: Day 97 ...

Danelor 12.50 Southwell ... 7/4, 3.2, £50.22 ;D


Dictator 1.10 Fontwell ... 9/2, 6.4, £30.13 ;D
Grenane 1.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.6, £30.13 ;D
Blackthorn 1.40 Fontwell ... 14/1, 11.0 £20.08 ;D
Making Moves 1.50 Southwell ... non-runner
Mercato 2.10 Fontwell ... 4/1, 4.4, £30.13 ;D
Maktavish 2.20 Southwell ... 17/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Waterside 2.30 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Ballyhoo 2.40 Fontwell ... 16/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Forest Fauna 2.40 Fontwell ... 14/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D
Walcot Lad 3.10 Fontwell ... 6/1, 7.8, £20.08 :'(

Comments:
Enough already said above about the 3.10 race ... :P

Profits today: £248.34 (that's £261.41 less 5% commission); loss £136.55, net profit
on the day of £111.79 ...

Bank now £4272.55; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £111.79
Tomorrow's bank: £4272.55
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.69%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.96%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 42.42%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91%


December strike-rate: 73 wins from 90 selections = 81.11%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 726 wins from 877 selections = 82.78%

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EXCELLENT THREAD MARIA.


KEEP THIS UP AND YOU'LL SOON BE ABLE TO BUY ME A DRINK :P

ALL THE BEST


GREG ;D

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The Ninety-Eighth Day ... Wednesday 21st December ...

Moscow Gold 1.10 Ludlow ...


Desert Fury 1.50 Wolverhampton ...
Barton Sands 2.00 Lingfield ...
Lorient Express 2.40 Ludlow ...
Capitana 3.10 Ludlow ...
Goldstar Dancer 3.20 Wolverhampton ...
Miss Chippy 3.40 Ludlow ...

Good luck with these dangerous shorties! ...

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Results Update: Day 98 ...

Moscow Gold 1.10 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.2, £30.13 :'(


Desert Fury 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.6, £30.13 ;D
Barton Sands 2.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Lorient Express 2.40 Ludlow ... 2/1, 2.6, £50.22 ;D
Capitana 3.10 Ludlow ... 15/8, 3.2, £50.22 ;D
Goldstar Dancer 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 11/8, 2.4, £50.22 ;D
Miss Chippy 3.40 Ludlow ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Shame about Moscow Gold ... but no speeches because one never knows in forums
like this whether one might inadvertently offend somebody by making rude remarks

about crooked Russians ... :

Profits today: £229 (that's £241.05 less 5% commission); loss £126.55, net profit on
the day of £102.45 ...

Bank now £4375.00; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £102.45
Tomorrow's bank: £4375.00
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.4%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.4%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 45.83%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71%


December strike-rate: 79 wins from 97 selections = 81.44%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 732 wins from 884 selections = 82.8%

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Well done Maria with your lays and your winner

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Come on Maria
Your late,you cant take time off.
iVE GOT MONEY TO BE MADE ;D,LOL :-*

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I am always late, Gregski baby ... it's part of the story of my life ... sleeping is one of
my great interests ... :-*

Wish you good luck with yours today ... 8)

So ... The Ninety-Ninth Day ... Thursday 22nd December ...

Efrhina 12.40 Southwell ...

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Grand Bay 12.50 Fakenham ...
Fabulous Jet 12.50 Fakenham ...
Dance World 12.50 Fakenham ...
The City Kid 1.10 Southwell ...
Kyno 1.20 Fakenham ...
Corrib Lad 2.00 Ayr ...
Harrovian 2.30 Ayr ...
Cordilla 2.30 Ayr ...
Witch Wind 3.00 Ayr ...

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Results Update: Day 99 ...

Efrhina 12.40 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D


Grand Bay 12.50 Fakenham ... 4/1, 4.8, £30.13 ;D
Fabulous Jet 12.50 Fakenham ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.13 ;D
Dance World 12.50 Fakenham ... 11/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
The City Kid 1.10 Southwell ... 13/8, 2.7, £50.22 :'(
Kyno 1.20 Fakenham ... 9/2, 5.0, £30.13 ;D
Corrib Lad 2.00 Ayr ... 2/1, 3.15, £50.22 ;D
Harrovian 2.30 Ayr ... 7/1, 6.0, £30.13 ;D
Cordilla 2.30 Ayr ... 3/1, 5.0 £30.13 ;D
Witch Wind 3.00 Ayr ... 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:

I wish all readers and all members here a very Merry Christmas :-*

Profits today: £276.70 (that's £291.26 less 5% commission); loss £85.38, net profit
on the day of £191.32 ...

Bank now £4566.32; the next day's staking unchanged.

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)
Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £191.32
Tomorrow's bank: £4566.32
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.37%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.97%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 52.21%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


December strike-rate: 88 wins from 107 selections = 82.24%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 741 wins from 894 selections = 82.89%

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The Hundredth Day ... (finally!) ...

Monday 26th December ...

Plenty today ...

Seraph 12.25 Market Rasen ...


Mambo 12.35 Sandown ...
Gods Token 12.35 Sandown ...
Bishop's Bridge 12.55 Market Rasen ...
Hidden Bounty 1.20 Wetherby ...
Fountain Crumble 1.20 Wetherby ...
Supreme Breeze 2.00 Market Rasen ...
Truckers Tavern 2.30 Wetherby ...
Hazel Bank Lass 2.40 Towcester ...
Afro Man 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Turgeonev 3.05 Wetherby ...

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Rapallo 3.10 Towcester ...
Petitjean 3.45 Wincanton ...

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Results Update: Day 100 ...

Seraph 12.25 Market Rasen ... 15/2, 8.6, £20.08 ;D


Mambo 12.35 Sandown ... 7/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D
Gods Token 12.35 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Bishop's Bridge 12.55 Market Rasen ... 3/1, 4.0, £30.13 :'(
Hidden Bounty 1.20 Wetherby ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Fountain Crumble 1.20 Wetherby ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.08 ;D
Supreme Breeze 2.00 Market Rasen ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Truckers Tavern 2.30 Wetherby ... 9/2, 5.8, £30.13 ;D
Hazel Bank Lass 2.40 Towcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Afro Man 3.00 Huntingdon ... 3/1, 3.4, 50.22 ;D
Turgeonev 3.05 Wetherby ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Rapallo 3.10 Towcester ... 15/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Petitjean 3.45 Wincanton ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £343.47 (that's £361.55 less 5% commission); loss £90.39, net profit on
the day of £253.08 ...

Bank now £4819.40; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £253.08
Tomorrow's bank: £4819.40
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.54%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 60.65%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.3%*


December strike-rate: 100 wins from 120 selections = 83.33%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 753 wins from 907 selections = 83.02%

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a good there Maria 8)

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WELL DONE MARIA ;D


THERES ALWAYS ONE TO SPOIL THE PARTY :-\

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The Hundred-And-First Day ("Laying-101") ... Tuesday 27th December ...

Quite a bit today, considering that a couple of meetings are abandoned ...

Kylkenny 12.35 Southwell ...


Kelrev 1.00 Chepstow ...
Dans Heir 1.25 Wetherby ...
Blue Patrick 1.40 Southwell ...
County Final 2.00 Leopardstown ...
Fundamentalist 2.00 Wetherby ...
Blue Shark 2.05 Chepstow ...
One Knight 2.40 Chepstow ...
Witchcraft 3.00 Southwell ...
Goscar Rock 3.50 Chepstow ...

Good luck today!! ;D

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Results Update: Day 101 ...

Kylkenny 12.35 Southwell ... 10/3, 4.2, £30.13 :'(


Kelrev 1.00 Chepstow ... 13/2, 8.2, £20.08 ;D
Dans Heir 1.25 Wetherby ... 9/1, 10.5, £20.08 ;D
Blue Patrick 1.40 Southwell ... 5/1, 5.5, £30.13 ;D
County Final 2.00 Leopardstown ... 4/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D
Fundamentalist 2.00 Wetherby ... 3/1, 3.4, £50.22 ;D
Blue Shark 2.05 Chepstow ... 7/1, 8.0, £20.08 :'(
One Knight 2.40 Chepstow ... 9/2, 6.8, £30.13 ;D
Witchcraft 3.00 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Goscar Rock 3.50 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Disappointingly, managed to lose a few pounds today; but it could have been quite a
bit worse, to be honest ... :-[

Profits today: £228.98 (that's £241.03 less 5% commission); losses £236.98; net loss
on the day of £8 ...

Bank now £4811.40; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: (£8 )
Tomorrow's bank: £4811.40
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.16%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.82%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 60.38%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 10 selections = 80%


December strike-rate: 108 wins from 130 selections = 83.08%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 761 wins from 917 selections = 82.99%

Not doing too badly here for an 83% strike-rate, actually. The staking system
is earning its keep.

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Wednesday 28th December ... nothing from me today, with Newbury and Catterick
abandoned ... :P

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Thursday 29th December ... same as yesterday ... :P

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The Hundred-And-Second Day ... Friday 30th December ...

Orchard Supreme 1.00 Lingfield ...


What Do You Know 1.00 Lingfield ...
Tyup Pompey 1.20 Taunton ...
Million Percent 1.30 Lingfield ...
General Feeling 1.30 Lingfield ...
Vaughan 1.50 Taunton ...
Redi 2.20 Taunton ...

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Results Update: Day 102 ...

Orchard Supreme 1.00 Lingfield ... 13/8, 2.64, £50.22 :'(


What Do You Know 1.00 Lingfield ... 5/1, 3.85, £30.13 ;D
Tyup Pompey 1.20 Taunton ... 8/1, 10.0, £20.08 ;D
Million Percent 1.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 4.8, £30.13 ;D
General Feeling 1.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Vaughan 1.50 Taunton ... 7/2, 5.0, £30.13 ;D
Redi 2.20 Taunton ... 7/1, 9.0, £20.08 ;D

Comments:

Damn shorties ... > > >

Profits today: £152.64 (that's £160.68 less 5% commission); loss £82.36; net profit
on the day of £70.28 ...

Bank now £4881.68; tomorrow's staking unchanged.

So ... tomorrow will be the last day of the month and I won't be able to say "... and
the bank reached a new high" unless it gets to £5023 ... and I need to make over
£140 on the day for that to happen ... which is probably asking too much ... so that

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might have to wait until a few days into the New Year, testing our patience and
discipline once again ... :-\ ???

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £70.28
Tomorrow's bank: £4881.68
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £50.22, £30.13 and £20.08

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.46%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.49%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 62.72%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71%


December strike-rate: 114 wins from 137 selections = 83.21%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 767 wins from 924 selections = 83%

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Doing very well, lately!

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Hi Wolf, thank you; always a pleasure to see you appear; hope you're getting on well

and Happy New Year to you! ...

So ... The Hundred-And-Third Day ... last day of the month (not to mention the year)
... 8)

Dr Mann 12.30 Warwick ...


He's A Rocket 12.35 Wolverhampton ...
Sir Sandrovitch 1.05 Wolverhampton ...
All Sonsilver 1.10 Uttoxeter ...
Super Lord 1.30 Warwick ...
Bleu Superbe 2.20 Lingfield ...
Party Bell 2.35 Wolverhampton ...
Mizz Tee 3.10 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck!

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rarely do you make a mistake and today was no exception....superb selections...very


well done

long may you continue !!

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Hi Maria, it looks like you have achieved your target for the year end! Wonderful stuff
and well done! I am off now to the Silvester Ball in Munich. That's the equivalent of
the scottish Hogmany. Sadly , in England they only tend to drink themselves silly. So,
let's have a drink and some fun times.
Happy New Year to everybody!

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Oooh, thank you very much, guys ... I got very lucky today, a nice clean sweep end to
the year here ... ;D

Will update the results later, but +£230 (less commission) today in round numbers

...

Wolf, have a great evening and please have a drop of nice Peach Schnapps for me,
but don't tell everyone that it's actually much more drinkable than Rigas Balsams!

... 8) 8)

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Results Update: Day 103 ...

Dr Mann 12.30 Warwick ... 15/2, 9.0, £20.08 ;D


He's A Rocket 12.35 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Sir Sandrovitch 1.05 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.6, £30.13 ;D
All Sonsilver 1.10 Uttoxeter ... 9/1, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Super Lord 1.30 Warwick ... 10/3, 4.2, £30.13 ;D
Bleu Superbe 2.20 Lingfield ... 9/2, 7.0, £30.13 ;D
Party Bell 2.35 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £30.13 ;D
Mizz Tee 3.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.4, £30.13 ;D

Comments:
Was in a hurry to go out this afternoon (new year calls for new shoes, of course ...
well, most things do, actually ...) so I laid to a lot of very early prices today and they
included some dreadful prices, by the look of it. Fortunately it didn't matter because

we had an all-too-rare clean sweep ...

Profits today: £219.44 (that's £230.99 less 5% commission); and no losses ...

And the bank has at long last reached a new high of £5101.12 ... 8)

New staking accordingly for tomorrow, as shown below ...

I'll be back later some time tonight - this year or next year - with a round-up of the

month ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £4190.49
Profit/(loss) today: £219.44
Tomorrow's bank: £5101.12
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £51.01, £30.60 and £20.40 ... 8)

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.5%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 21.73%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 70.04%* ;D

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100%


December strike-rate: 122 wins from 145 selections = 84.14%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 775 wins from 932 selections = 83.15%

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Well done and happy new year Maria

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Very well done Maria ;D ;D

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Quick round-up of the month: December ... :

Not so much to round up, really. Looked like a boring month for the first half of it ...
came good later ... fewer selections than normal for a month (only 145) mostly
because of poxy weather ... also had to miss a few early ones out because I don't get
up early enough in the day and they start the racing too early this time of year ... :-[

We made 21.73% on the month, with a strike-rate of 84% (which feels healthier than
the previous month, anyway) ...

Onwards and upwards, I hope ... 8)

Very many thanks for all the really supportive comments, best wishes to everyone,
and a happy, healthy and prosperous 2006 to all of us and especially Mabbsy-baby for
organising and hosting the whole thing ... :-*

Bought nice new shoes today ... 8) 8) 8)

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;D

Actually ... I'm not offering any selections today (1st January) ... :-\

I admire the professional work of jockeys, assistants, stable lads and so on; but I
think probably they were not all sober and asleep by 10.00pm last night, and I wonder
if today's racing results might just be even less predictable than usual ... ??? ??? ???

So, for my laying system selections, the year will start tomorrow ... :-*

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The Hundred-And-Fourth Day ... Monday 2nd January ...

BuzzinBoyzee 1.00 Southwell ...

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Algarve 1.05 Ayr ...
True Lover 1.10 Folkestone ...
Micky Cole 1.25 Exeter ...
Silver Chancellor 1.35 Ayr ...
Stoop To Conquer 1.40 Folkestone ...
Millennium Hall 2.05 Ayr ...
Carapuce 3.10 Ayr ...
Devils Island 3.30 Southwell ...
Top Dawn 3.40 Ayr ...
Caesar's Palace 3.40 Ayr ...

Good luck and a prosperous 2006 to us all ... ;D

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GL for 2006

but somehow i don't think you will need it


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Thanks for those Maria, nearly a clean sweep!

Back to work tomorrow, so thats it till perhaps the weekend!

Keep up the superb effort!

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Results Update: Day 104 ...

BuzzinBoyzee 1.00 Southwell ... 9/1, 11.0, £20.40 ;D


Algarve 1.05 Ayr ... 7/2, 4.8, £30.60 ;D
True Lover 1.10 Folkestone ... 7/2, 3.85, £30.60 ;D
Micky Cole 1.25 Exeter ... 8/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D
Silver Chancellor 1.35 Ayr ... 20/1, 10.5, £20.40 ;D
Stoop To Conquer 1.40 Folkestone ... 6/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D
Millennium Hall 2.05 Ayr ... 7/2, 5.2, £30.60 ;D
Carapuce 3.10 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D
Devils Island 3.30 Southwell ... 4/1, 6.2, £30.60 ;D
Top Dawn 3.40 Ayr ... 9/1, 7.4, £30.60 ;D
Caesar's Palace 3.40 Ayr ... 5/1, 6.4, £30.60 :'(

Comments:

It was all going SO well until Caesar's Palace came with a strong late run ... >

Profits today: £271.32 (that's £285.60 less 5% commission); loss £165.24; net profit

on the day of £106.08 ...

And the bank has reached a new high of £5207.20 ... 8)

New staking accordingly for tomorrow, as shown below ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £106.08
Tomorrow's bank: £5207.20
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £52.07, £31.24 and £20.82

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.08%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.08%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 73.57%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.9%


January strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.9%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 785 wins from 943 selections = 83.24%

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The Hundred-And-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 3rd January ...

The Right People 1.00 Ayr ...


Webbswood Lad 1.10 Lingfield ...
Do L'Enfant D'Eau 1.30 Ayr ...
Chief Dan George 2.05 Ayr ...
Ten Shun 2.15 Lingfield ...
Ace Club 2.30 Southwell ...
Blue Hills 3.00 Southwell ...
Mambazo 3.20 Lingfield ...

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Results Update: Day 105 ...

The Right People 1.00 Ayr ... 12/1, 10.5, £20.82 ;D


Webbswood Lad 1.10 Lingfield ... 3/1, 3.4, £52.07 ;D
Do L'Enfant D'Eau 1.30 Ayr ... 5/1, 6.6, £31.24 ;D
Chief Dan George 2.05 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £31.24 ;D
Ten Shun 2.15 Lingfield ... 7/2, 3.27, £52.07 ;D
Ace Club 2.30 Southwell ... 8/1, 10.5, £20.82 ;D
Blue Hills 3.00 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £31.24 ;D
Mambazo 3.20 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.2, £31.24 ;D

Comments:

Profits today: £257.20 (that's £270.74 less 5% commission); no losses.

And the bank has reached a new high of £5464.40 ...* 8)

New staking accordingly for tomorrow, as shown below ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £257.20
Tomorrow's bank: £5464.40
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.94%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.12%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 82.15%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D


January strike-rate: 18 wins from 19 selections = 94.74%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 793 wins from 951 selections = 83.39%

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You've come thru a tough month, now I hope this month turns out to be brill for you.

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I am not into laying yet but one can only be impressed with your consistant profits.
GO GIRL!!!

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The new year has started very well, long may it continue.

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Ooooh, what amazing comments; many thanks indeed ... hope this won't be the day a
wheel suddenly comes off (I'm just very nervous today because there are some real

shorties and you know how they give me palpitations and stuff ...) ... >

So ... The Hundred-And-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 4th January ...

Super Frank 12.10 Lingfield ...


Sky At Night 12.40 Lingfield ...
Hobbs Hill 1.00 Wincanton ...
Tribal Dancer 2.30 Wincanton ...
Chief Exec 3.10 Lingfield ...
Lamps Return 3.30 Wincanton ...
Bendarshaan 3.40 Lingfield ...
Boston Strong Boy 4.00 Wincanton ...

Good luck today!

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Results Update: Day 106 ...

Super Frank 12.10 Lingfield ... 7/2, 3.8, £32.78 :'(


Sky At Night 12.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Hobbs Hill 1.00 Wincanton ... 10/11, 2.25, £54.64 ;D
Tribal Dancer 2.30 Wincanton ... 15/2, 9.0, £21.85 ;D
Chief Exec 3.10 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.0, £21.85 :'(

Lamps Return 3.30 Wincanton ... non-runner :


Bendarshaan 3.40 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.0, £32.78 ;D
Boston Strong Boy 4.00 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.2, £21.85 ;D

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Comments:
Ooops ... :-[ :-[ :-[

A bit of a reminder today that it often proceeds as 4 steps forward and 3 steps back,
or something like that ... :P

Profits today: £155.70 (that's £163.90 less 5% commission); losses came to £266.59,

leaving a net deficit on the day of £110.89 ... >

So the bank has slipped back to £5353.51 ... :-X

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ... :-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: (£110.89)
Tomorrow's bank: £5353.51
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.03%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.95%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 78.45%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.43% :P


January strike-rate: 23 wins from 26 selections = 88.46%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 798 wins from 958 selections = 83.3%

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Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Seventhe Day ... Thursday 5th January ...

Magical Legend 1.00 Hereford ...


Sands Crooner 1.10 Wolverhampton ...

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Woody Valentine 1.55 Wetherby ...
Kensington 2.15 Wolverhampton ...
Danelor 2.50 Wolverhampton ...
Florida Dream 3.05 Wetherby ...
Green Tango 3.15 Hereford ...
Reveur 3.25 Wolverhampton ...

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Hi Maria
Iwas just wondering why you had REVEUR in you lay selection as well as your system

selects

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Iwas just wondering why you had REVEUR in you lay selection as well as your
system selects

Ah ... that! Yes indeed ... funny you should ask ...

They're all "system selections", and the honest (though perhaps uninspired) answer is
simply that my laying system picked Reveur and my handicaps selections system also
picked Reveur ... ???

It actually drifted a bit (which surprised me, but what do I know?), and I managed to
lay it at 2.85 and back it at 4.25. I literally do both bets, using two separate accounts.
It sounds weird, I know, but it makes the bookkeeping much more straightforward for
blondes ... and occasionally (as today) it works out ok for me ... sorry it's an unhelpful

answer but it's just what I do "for simplicity" ... :

So ... Results Update, Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Seventhe Day ...

Magical Legend 1.00 Hereford ... 5/1, 6.8, £32.78 ;D


Sands Crooner 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.4, £32.78 :'(
Woody Valentine 1.55 Wetherby ... 11/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Kensington 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.2, £32.78 :'(
Danelor 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.85, £32.78 ;D
Florida Dream 3.05 Wetherby ... 15/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Green Tango 3.15 Hereford ... 7/2, 4.0, £32.78 :'(
Reveur 3.25 Wolverhampton ... 10/3, 2.85 £54.64 ;D/ :'(

Comments:
Damn shorties ... :-[ :-[ :-[

Profits today: £124.56 (that's £131.120 less 5% commission); losses came to


£415.77, leaving a net deficit on the day of £291.21 - that's laying ... :-X

So the bank has slipped back to £5062.30 ...*

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...* :-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12

Profit/(loss) today: (£291.21)


Tomorrow's bank: £5062.30
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: (5.44%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.76%) :'(
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 68.74%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 8 selections = 50%* :P :P :P :P :P


January strike-rate: 27 wins from 34 selections = 79.31%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 802 wins from 966 selections = 83.02%

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The Hundred-And-Eighth Day ... Friday 6th January ...

Plenty today, including damn shorties to give me palpitations ... :P

George Stubbs 12.40 Musselburgh ...


Arctic Lagoon 1.10 Musselburgh ...
Montecorvino 1.10 Towcester ...
The Weaver 1.40 Musselburgh ...
Never Awol 2.20 Towcester ...
Optimistic Alfie 2.50 Towcester ...
Wiltshire 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Perle De Puce 3.20 Towcester ...
Psychiatrist 3.30 Wolverhampton ...
Grand Design 4.30 Wolverhampton ...

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Correction of typo

Montecorvino of course runs in the 13.50 at Towcester, not the "1.10" as shown in the
selections-post immediately above ... sorry! :-[

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Results Update: day 108 ...

George Stubbs 12.40 Musselburgh ... 9/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D


Arctic Lagoon 1.10 Musselburgh ... 11/4, 4.3, £32.78 ;D
Montecorvino 1.10 Towcester ... 4/1, 5.4, £32.78 :'(
The Weaver 1.40 Musselburgh ... 4/1, 5.4, £32.78 ;D
Never Awol 2.20 Towcester ... 8/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Optimistic Alfie 2.50 Towcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Wiltshire 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D
Perle De Puce 3.20 Towcester ... 4/5, 1.85, £54.64 ;D
Psychiatrist 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 5/2, 3.4, £54.64 ;D
Grand Design 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D

Comments:
Sorry about Montecirvino, but as they say "there's always one" ... :-\

At least the shorties behaved, today, and layable prices were generally pretty good

...

Profits today: £301.03 (that's £316.88 less 5% commission); loss of £144.23, leaving
a net profit on the day of £156.80 ...

So the bank has partially recovered to £5219.10 and the month is back in profit, and
let's hope it stays that way ... :-X

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)
Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £156.80
Tomorrow's bank: £5219.10
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.1%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.31%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 73.97%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


January strike-rate: 36 wins from 44 selections = 81.82%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 811 wins from 976 selections = 83.09%

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Saturday 9th January ... sorry, had great difficulty getting online here today. Very
little left now, so I'll omit today's results and make the next update Monday's (no UK
racing on Sunday) ...* :-\

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The Hunred-And-Ninth Day (I am getting old, here ...) ... Monday 9th January ...

Stocking Island 1.20 Taunton ...


Notaproblem 1.40 Newcastle ...
Direct Flight 1.50 Taunton ...
Noble Edge 2.00 Wolverhampton ...
Simply Mystic 2.40 Newcastle ...
Storm Centre 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
York Cliff 3.30 Wolverhampton ...
Bobs Buster 3.40 Newcastle ...
Risk Free 4.00 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 109 ...

Stocking Island 1.20 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.8, £32.78 ;D


Notaproblem 1.40 Newcastle ... 12/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D
Direct Flight 1.50 Taunton ... 5/1, 5.3, £32.78 ;D
Noble Edge 2.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 6.8, £32.78 ;D
Simply Mystic 2.40 Newcastle ... 10/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Storm Centre 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 7.2, £32.78 ;D
York Cliff 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.2, £32.78 ;D
Bobs Buster 3.40 Newcastle ... 5/1, 6.2, £32.78 :'(
Risk Free 4.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 6.8, £32.78 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £238.74 (that's £251.31 less 5% commission); loss of £170.45, leaving
a net profit on the day of £68.29 ...

So the bank has picked back up to £5287.39 ...

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Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £68.29
Tomorrow's bank: £5287.39
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.31%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.69%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 76.25%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.88%


January strike-rate: 44 wins from 53 selections = 83.02%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 819 wins from 985 selections = 83.15%

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The Hundred-And-Tenth Day ... Tuesday 10th January ...

Not so much today ...

Yenaled 12.50 Southwell ...


Vulcan Lane 1.40 Sedgefield ...
Bang And Blame 2.10 Sedgefield ...
Nepal 2.30 Leicester ...
Monte Vista 3.00 Leicester ...

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Results Update: day 110 ...

Yenaled 12.50 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.8, £21.85 ;D


Vulcan Lane 1.40 Sedgefield ... 8/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D
Bang And Blame 2.10 Sedgefield ... 6/1, 7.9, £32.78 :'(
Nepal 2.30 Leicester ... 7/1, 9.0, £21.85 ;D
Monte Vista 3.00 Leicester ... 2/1, 3.4, £54.64 ;D

Comments:

Oops ...

Profits today: £114.18 (that's £120.19 less 5% commission); loss of £196.68, leaving
a net loss on the day of £82.50 ...

So the bank has silpped back to £5204.89 ...

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: (£82.50)
Tomorrow's bank: £5204.89
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.56%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.03%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 73.5%

Today's strike-rate: 4 wins from 5 selections = 80%


January strike-rate: 48 wins from 58 selections = 82.76%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 823 wins from 990 selections = 83.13%

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Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Eleventhe Dayye ... Wednesday 11th January ...

Hors La Loi III 1.20 Newbury ...


Ms Rainbow Runner 1.45 Lingfield ...
Admiral Peary 2.25 Newbury ...
Magic Of Sydney 2.25 Newbury ...
Desert Fury 3.10 Southwell ...
Heathyards Pride ... 3.20 Lingfield ...
Lady Suesanne 3.40 Southwell ...
Forest Emerald 4.05 Newbury ...

Good luck! 8)

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Results Update: day 111 ...

Hors La Loi III 1.20 Newbury ... 11/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D


Ms Rainbow Runner 1.45 Lingfield ... 4/1, 6.0, £32.78 ;D
Admiral Peary 2.25 Newbury ... 6/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Magic Of Sydney 2.25 Newbury ... 9/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D
Desert Fury 3.10 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Heathyards Pride ... 3.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0 £21.85 ;D
Lady Suesanne 3.40 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.6, £32.78 ;D
Forest Emerald 4.05 Newbury ... ?, 6.6, £32.78 ;D

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Comments:

Can't complain today ...

Profits today: £217.97 (that's £229.45 less 5% commission); and no losses ... 8)

So the bank has recovered to £5422.86 ...

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £217.97
Tomorrow's bank: £5422.86
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.19%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.31%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 80.76%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100% ;D


January strike-rate: 56 wins from 66 selections = 84.85%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 831 wins from 998 selections = 83.27%

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The Hundred-And-Twelfth Day ... Thursday 12th January ...

Drunken Disorderly 2.15 Limerick ...


World Vision 2.20 Catterick ...
Prince Of Slane 2.20 Catterick ...
Palua 2.30 Ludlow ...

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Master Rex 2.30 Ludlow ...
Red Man 2.50 Catterick ...
Miss Shakira 3.00 Ludlow ...
Galero 3.20 Catterick ...
Lasting Love 3.40 Southwell ...

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Results Update: day 112 ...

Drunken Disorderly 2.15 Limerick ... 4/1, 4.7, £32.78 ;D


World Vision 2.20 Catterick ... 13/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Prince Of Slane 2.20 Catterick ... 4/1, 5.4, £32.78 :'(

Palua 2.30 Ludlow ... 7/1, 8.4, £21.85 > > >
Master Rex 2.30 Ludlow ... 5/1, 7.0, £32.78 ;D
Red Man 2.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Miss Shakira 3.00 Ludlow ... 6/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Galero 3.20 Catterick ... 9/2, 5.6, £32.78 ;D

Lasting Love 3.40 Southwell ... non-runner :

Comments:
A bad day: clearly from the chart movements we were victims of a bit of a coup with
Palua. To be honest, I didn't lay it myself when it shortened SO much; but I've
included it as a loser in the results at the price at which I nearly laid it, and might

have done, of course ...

Profits today: £186.84 (that's £196.68 less 5% commission); but losses of £305.92
bring the day's score to -£119.08 ... :'(

So the bank has slipped back to £5303.78 ... "par for the course", really, no disaster

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... :-X

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: (£119.08)
Tomorrow's bank: £5303.78
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.19%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.97%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 76.79%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.77%


January strike-rate: 63 wins from 75 selections = 84%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 838 wins from 1007 selections = 83.22%

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It's day 113 and it's Friday 13th and there's plenty to lay ...

Ask The Umpire 1.00 Huntingdon ...


Moonshot 1.20 Wolverhampton ...
Spinaround 1.30 Huntingdon ...
Umbrella Man 1.30 Huntingdon ...
My Final Bid 2.10 Kelso ...
Upswing 2.30 Huntingdon ...
Dead Mans Dante 2.40 Kelso ...
Kindlelight Debut 2.50 Wolverhampton ...
Kimono Royal 3.30 Huntingdon ...
Kyno 3.30 Huntingdon ...
Moment of Madness 3.40 Kelso ...

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That's enough for a quiet Friday afternoon, isn't it? ... :-\

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Results Update: day 113 ...

Ask The Umpire 1.00 Huntingdon ... 5/1, 7.2, £32.78 ;D


Moonshot 1.20 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.0, £32.78 ;D
Spinaround 1.30 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 10.0, £21.85 ;D
Umbrella Man 1.30 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 9.2, £21.85 ;D
My Final Bid 2.10 Kelso ... 9/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D
Upswing 2.30 Huntingdon ... 7/2, 4.8, £32.78 ;D
Dead Mans Dante 2.40 Kelso ... 9/1, 11.0, £21.85 ;D
Kindlelight Debut 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.8, £32.78 :'(

Kimono Royal 3.30 Huntingdon ... non-runner :


Kyno 3.30 Huntingdon ... 5/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Moment of Madness 3.40 Kelso ... 4/1, 4.8, £32.78 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £238.73 (that's £251.30 less 5% commission); loss of £157.35; net

profit of £81.38 on the day ...

The bank is now £5385.61 ...

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £81.38
Tomorrow's bank: £5385.61
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.53%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.58%

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Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 79.5%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


January strike-rate: 72 wins from 85 selections = 84.7%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 847 wins from 1017 selections = 83.28%

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still doing very well ;D


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Going well Maria

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The Hundred-And-Fourteenth Day .... Saturday 14th January ...

Dodgy going, difficult meetings ... :

Gospel Song 1.35 Wetherby ...


Balmoral Queen 1.35 Wetherby ...
Lord Olympia 2.10 Wetherby ...
Alfridini 2.25 Lingfield ...
Mikado 2.30 Warwick ...
Haut de Gamme 2.40 Wetherby ...
Hail The Chief 2.55 Lingfield ...
General Duroc 3.15 Carlisle ...
Rebel Rhythm 3.30 Warwick ...
Backbeat 3.45 Carlisle ...
Claymore 3.45 Carlisle ...

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Results Update: day 114 ...

Gospel Song 1.35 Wetherby ... 10/1, 11.0, £21.85* ;D

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Balmoral Queen 1.35 Wetherby ... 8/1, 7.4, £32.78* ;D
Lord Olympia 2.10 Wetherby ... 5/1, 4.8, £32.78* ;D
Alfridini 2.25 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.6, £32.78* :'(
Mikado 2.30 Warwick ... 9/1!!, 6.8, £32.78* ;D
Haut de Gamme 2.40 Wetherby ... 7/2, 4.8, £32.78* :'(
Hail The Chief 2.55 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £21.85* ;D
General Duroc 3.15 Carlisle ... 3/1, 5.0, £32.78* ;D
Rebel Rhythm 3.30 Warwick ... 11/4, 3.4, £54.64* ;D
Backbeat 3.45 Carlisle ... 15/2, 9.4, £21.78* ;D
Claymore 3.45 Carlisle ... 7/2, 4.6, £32.78* ;D

Comments:
Very irritatingly, I was quite close to excluding Haut de Gamme on the grounds that it
was a handicap system selection today; a poor decision made there, as it turns out,
I'm afraid ...* :'(

Profits today: £280.27 (that's £295.02 less 5% commission); but losses of £275.35

brought the day's net profits down to the princely sum of £4.92 ...* >

Still ... to match my previous year's history, I've got until the end of February to get
to £6000 here, so we are actually well on schedule ...* 8)

Slow business, though, isn't it? ...* :P

The bank is now £5390.53 ...

Tomorrow's staking unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £4.92
Tomorrow's bank: £5390.53
Backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets (unchanged): £54.64, £32.78 and £21.85

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.09%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 5.67%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 79.68%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.81%


January strike-rate: 81 wins from 96 selections = 84.37%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 856 wins from 1028 selections = 83.27%

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Slowly Slowly Catchy Monkey ;D

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Still ... to match my previous year's history, I've got until the end of February to get
to £6000 here, so we are actually well on schedule ...

certain you will make it ;D, but i much prefer to find winners than losers more

satisfaction
CAN'T GET NO SATISFACTION great record 8)
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Thank you, guys ... :-*

So ... the Hundred-And-Fifteenth Day ... Monday 16th January ...

9 today; and I'm already matched at my regular 7.4 (just inside the second cut-off)
on a few of these, so hoping for a good day ... :-\

Equilibria 1.00 Plumpton ...


Cashel Mean 1.10 Wolverhampton ...
True Mariner 1.20 Fakenham ...
Confluence 1.30 Plumpton ...
Glinner of Light 1.30 Plumpton ...
Rookery Lad 2.20 Fakenham ...
Fantastic Arts 2.20 Fakenham ...
Jackson 2.50 Fakenham ...
Regal Bandit 3.20 Fakenham ...

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Results Update: day 115 ...

Equilibria 1.00 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D


Cashel Mean 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.2, £32.78 :'(
True Mariner 1.20 Fakenham ... 13/2, 5.8, £32.78 ;D
Confluence 1.30 Plumpton ... 10/3, 5.0, £32.78 ;D
Glinner of Light 1.30 Plumpton ... 8/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Rookery Lad 2.20 Fakenham ... 7/1, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Fantastic Arts 2.20 Fakenham ... 9/2, 7.4, £32.78 ;D
Jackson 2.50 Fakenham ... 9/4, 3.4, £54.64 ;D
Regal Bandit 3.20 Fakenham ... 11/2, 6.6, £32.78 ;D

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Comments:
A shame about the dreaded Cashel Mead, but then, as someone said: "There's always

one"! ... >

Profits today: £269.89 (that's £284.10 less 5% commission); loss of £137 brings the
day's net profits to £132.21 ...

I can hardly believe it myself after all this messing about, but the bank has now
reached a new high of £5522.74 ... ;D

And that means new stakes for tomorrow, of course: £55.22, £33.13 and £22.09 ... 8)

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £132.21
Tomorrow's bank: £5522.74
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £55.22, £33.13 and £22.09

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.45%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.26%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 84.09%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89%


January strike-rate: 89 wins from 105 selections = 84.76%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 864 wins from 1037 selections = 83.31%

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The Hundred-And-Sixteenth Day ... Tuesday 16th January ...

Blue Hills 1.20 Southwell ...


Henry Tun 1.50 Southwell ...
Borzoi Maestro 1.50 Southwell ...
Lord of Adventure 2.00 Folkestone ...

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Our Girl Kaz 2.10 Fontwell ...
Victory Roll 2.30 Folkestone ...
Concert Pianist 2.40 Fontwell ...
Honey's Gift 3.10 Fontwell ...
Colline de Fleurs 4.00 Folkestone ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 116 ...

Blue Hills 1.20 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.5, £33.13* ;D


Henry Tun 1.50 Southwell ... 4/1, 5.1, £33.13* :'(
Borzoi Maestro 1.50 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £33.13* ;D
Lord of Adventure 2.00 Folkestone ... 9/1, 10.5, £22.09* ;D
Our Girl Kaz 2.10 Fontwell ... 12/1, 10.0 £22.09* ;D
Victory Roll 2.30 Folkestone ... 7/2, 5.6, £33.13* ;D
Concert Pianist 2.40 Fontwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £33.13* ;D
Honey's Gift 3.10 Fontwell ... 7/1, 6.8, £33.13* ;D
Colline de Fleurs 4.00 Folkestone ... 5/2, 3.8, £33.13* :'(

Comments:
An unfortunate losing day, but not painful ...* :-\

Profits today: £199.34 (that's £209.83 less 5% commission); but losses of £228.60

brings the day's net result to - £29.26*

The bank is now £5494.48 ...

Stakes unchanged tomorrow ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: (£29.26)
Tomorrow's bank: £5494.48

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New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £55.22, £33.13 and £22.09

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.5%%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.71%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 83.15%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.78%


January strike-rate: 96 wins from 114 selections = 84.21%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 871 wins from 1046 selections = 83.27%

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Wednesday 18th January ... not such a great day for betting, probably, with Uttoxeter
waterlogged and abandoned, Newcastle "heavy in places" and not much I can lay at
Lingfield today anyway ... so I'm giving it a miss for the day, otherwise known as a

"sneaky day off" ... back tomorrow!

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The Hundred-And-Seventeenth Day ... Thursday 19th January ...

Windyx 1.00 Taunton ...


Massif Central 1.30 Taunton ...
Money Line 2.00 Taunton ...
Roschal 2.50 Ludlow ...
Jaffa 2.50 Ludlow ...
On The Trail 3.10 Southwell ...
Kimono Royal 3.20 Ludlow ...
Delena 3.30 Taunton ...
Jacks Delight 4.10 Southwell ...
Sir Jimmy Shand 4.20 Ludlow ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 117 ...

Windyx 1.00 Taunton ... 10/1, 9.8, £22.09 ;D


Massif Central 1.30 Taunton ... 7/2, 6.0, £33.13 ;D
Money Line 2.00 Taunton ... 6/1, 7.4, £33.13 ;D
Roschal 2.50 Ludlow ... 11/2, 6.6, £33.13 ;D
Jaffa 2.50 Ludlow ... 12/1, 11.0, £22.09 ;D
On The Trail 3.10 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £33.13 ;D
Kimono Royal 3.20 Ludlow ... 8/1, 6.6, £33.13 ;D
Delena 3.30 Taunton ... 15/2, 7.4, £33.13 ;D
Jacks Delight 4.10 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.0, £33.13 ;D
Sir Jimmy Shand 4.20 Ludlow ... evens, 2.2, £55.22 :'(

Comments:
Profits today: £262.28 (that's £276.09 less 5% commission); loss of £66.27 brings
the day's net profit down to £196.01 ...

The bank has now made a new high of £5690.49 ...

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Time to increase the stakes pro rata, of course. Tomorrow's will be £56.90, £34.14
and £22.76 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £196.01
Tomorrow's bank: £5690.49
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £56.90, £34.14 and £22.76

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.57%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.55%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 89.68%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


January strike-rate: 105 wins from 124 selections = 84.68%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 880 wins from 1056 selections = 83.33%

;D

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:-*

The Hundred-And-Eighteenth Day ... Firday 20th January ...

A lot to lay today ... :-\ :-\ :-\

Reem Two 12.50 Musselburgh ...


Risk Free 1.10 Wolverhampton ...
Gangsters R Us 1.50 Musselburgh ...
Eton 2.15 Wolverhampton ...
York Cliff 2.15 Wolverhampton ...
Native Title 2.50 Wolverhampton ...
Masafi 3.00 Musselburgh ...
Datito 3.10 Chepstow ...
Moi Aussi 3.25 Wolverhampton ...
Moorland Monarch 3.45 Chepstow ...
Joli Classical 4.15 Chepstow ...
Wrenlane 4.55 Wolverhampton ...

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Results Update: day 118 ...

Reem Two 12.50 Musselburgh ... 9/2, 5.8, £34.14* :'(


Risk Free 1.10 Wolverhampton ... 20/1!!!, 11.0 £22.76* ;D
Gangsters R Us 1.50 Musselburgh ... 13/2, 7.4, £3414* ;D
Eton 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 7.4, £34.14* ;D
York Cliff 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £34.14* ;D

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Native Title 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.3, £34.14* ;D
Masafi 3.00 Musselburgh ... 4/11, 1.36, £56.90* :'(
Datito 3.10 Chepstow ... 11/2, 7.0, £34.14* ;D
Moi Aussi 3.25 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 3.4, £56.90* ;D
Moorland Monarch 3.45 Chepstow ... 7/2, 5.4, £34.14* ;D
Joli Classical 4.15 Chepstow ... 13/2, 6.2, £34.14* ;D
Wrenlane 4.55 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.2, £34.14 ;D

Comments:
The day got off to a very bad start with Reem Two, but then fortunately improved

...*

Profits today: £335.14 (that's £352.78 less 5% commission); losses of £184.36 bring
the day's net profit down to £150.78 ...

The bank has now made a new high of £5841.27 ...*

Time to increase the stakes pro rata, of course. Tomorrow's will be £58.14, £35.04
and £23.36 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £150.78
Tomorrow's bank: £5841.27
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.65%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.51%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 94.71%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%


January strike-rate: 115 wins from 136 selections = 84.56%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 890 wins from 1068 selections = 83.33%

Extra points for noticing that today's strike-rate is identical to the overall strike-rate
since the thread started! Does that make it a "typical day"?* ;D

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Well done again maria you seem to be having some success on this thread,brilliant
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Well done again maria you seem to be having some success on this thread

slight understatement nathan


well done on a top class thread ;D
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Totally agree divna.

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Ooh, thank you!

The Hundred-And-Nineteenth Day ... Saturday 21st January ...

Nervous today with it being a Saturday, and some heavy going about, but we'll see ...
:-\

Sheriff Roscoe 1.50 Lingfield ...


Candarli 2.00 Wolverhampton ...
Nas Na Riogh 2.05 Wincanton ...
Slim Pickings 2.15 Naas ...
Speed Dial Harry 2.30 Wolverhampton ...
Moon Emperor 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Almost Broke 3.10 Wincanton ...
Zaffran Lady 3.15 Naas ...
Be My Better Half 3.25 Lingfield ...
Baron Romeo 3.50 Haydock ...
Trafalgar Night 3.55 Lingfield ...
Merdiff 4.35 Wolverhampton ...
Tuscarora 4.35 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck!

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unlucky maria today

check your pms

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unlucky maria today

Yes, very bad day for the system: well, they crop up occasionally. Today was a
combination of Saturday Syndrome + dodgy going + plain bad luck + we were
overdue for a really bad day, I think ... :'(

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Originally Posted by joemugg

check your pms

Can't blame that one, I'm afraid ... I don't suffer from PMS ...

So ... I can't put it off any longer ... results update for day 119 ...

Sheriff Roscoe 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D


Candarli 2.00 Wolverhampton ... 12/1!!, 7.4, £35.04 ;D
Nas Na Riogh 2.05 Wincanton ... 11/2, 6.6, £35.04 ;D
Slim Pickings 2.15 Naas ... 9/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D
Speed Dial Harry 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.4, £35.04 ;D
Moon Emperor 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.2, £23.36 :'(
Almost Broke 3.10 Wincanton ... 6/1, 7.8, £23.36 :'(
Zaffran Lady 3.15 Naas ... 13/2, 5.8, £35.04 ;D
Be My Better Half 3.25 Lingfield ... 4/1, 5.9, £35.04 ;D
Baron Romeo 3.50 Haydock ... 9/2, 7.0, £35.04 ;D
Trafalgar Night 3.55 Lingfield ... 7/2, 5.2, £35.04 ;D
Merdiff 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.4, £35.04 ;D
Tuscarora 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 8.0, £23.36 :'(

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Comments:
A terrible day, of course; and I think I was lucky - as it turned out - by taking some
early prices: it could even have been slightly worse ... :-[

Profits today: £321.78 (that's £338.72 less 5% commission); but losses of £490.56

brought in a net loss on the day of £168.78 ... >

So the bank has now slipped back to £5672.49, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged
... no disaster here, remembering that we have until February 28th to reach the next

target of £6000.00 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: (£168.78)
Tomorrow's bank: £5672.49
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36

Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.89%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.2%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 89.08%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 13 selections = 76.92%


January strike-rate: 125 wins from 149 selections = 83.89%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 900 wins from 1081 selections = 83.26%

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Keep going amy i'm sure you'll get to 6000 the way your going

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bad days are part & parcel of the game

we all have them especially JM


only kidding JM cant find a winner myself for love[amy]or money
i'm sure it won't be long before you bounce back
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Monday 23rd January ... I don't fancy it today: two dodgy jumps meetings on heavy
going and bandit racing on the all-weather ... it hasn't really been a great January for
racing, has it? ... :P

Back tomorrow ...

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Tuesday 24th January ...

Again, dodgy going and bandit racing ... and very little I can lay with confidence. I'm
going to sit it out and go shopping and just hope for better opportunities later in the
week ... :P

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The Hundred-And-Twentieth Day ... Wednesday 25th January ...

One meeting abandoned today, but a little more to go at than yesterday, anyway ... :-
\

I'm laying these ... 8)

Barton Sands 12.50 Lingfield ...


Gunther Macbride 2.30 Catterick ...
Mr Rigsby 2.50 Lingfield ...
On Tilt 4.00 Catterick ...
Lake Chini 4.20 Lingfield ...

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Results Update: day 120 ...

Barton Sands 12.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0, £23.36 ;D


Gunther Macbride 2.30 Catterick ... 9/2, 6.2, £35.04 ;D
Mr Rigsby 2.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D
On Tilt 4.00 Catterick ... 8/1, 9.0, £23.36 ;D
Lake Chini 4.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D

Comments:

Profits today: £133.15 (that's £140.16 less 5% commission); no losses ...

So the bank has now picked back up to £5805.64 ... and tomorrow's stakes are
unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £133.15
Tomorrow's bank: £5805.64
New backers' stakes for tomorrow's bets: £58.14, £35.04 and £23.36

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.35%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.81%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 93.52%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 5 selections = 100%


January strike-rate: 130 wins from 154 selections = 84.42%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 905 wins from 1086 selections = 83.33%

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Superb tipping, well done maria.

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Results Update: day 121 ...

Crush On You 12.30 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.6, £35.04 ;D


Kylkenny 1.00 Southwell ... 12/1, 10.5, £23.36 ;D
Good Potential 1.20 Warwick ... 6/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D
Special Conquest 1.50 Warwick ... 12/1, 9.2, £23.36 ;D
Soba Jones 2.00 Southwell ... 15/2, 11.0, £23.36 ;D
Sunset Light 3.20 Warwick ... 8/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D
Nice Try 3.50 Warwick ... 4/1, 4.6, £35.04 :'(

Comments:
It was all going so well until Nice Try at the end, the consolations being that it was
relatively a shortie, that it was so easy to lay at better than SP, and that it didn't
take away all the day's profits. Oh well, Nice Try ... :-\

Profits today: £155.34 (that's £163.52 less 5% commission); loss of £126.15 on


Nice Try brings it down to +£29.19 ...

So the bank has picked back up to £5834.85, and the stakes are unchanged
tomorrow ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £29.19
Tomorrow's bank: £5834.85
Tomorrow's stakes (unchanged): £58.41, £35.04 and £23.36

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.5%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.38%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 94.49%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 7 selections = 85.71%

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January strike-rate: 136 wins from 161 selections = 84.47%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 911 wins from 1093 selections = 83.35%

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Oooh, thank you! ;D :-*

So ... the Hundred-And-Twenty-Oneth Day ... Thursday 26th January (never let it be
said that I don't know what of the week it is) ...

I'm laying these ...

Crush On You 12.30 Southwell ...


Kylkenny 1.00 Southwell ...
Good Potential 1.20 Warwick ...
Special Conquest 1.50 Warwick ...
Soba Jones 2.00 Southwell ...
Sunset Light 3.20 Warwick ...
Nice Try 3.50 Warwick ...

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Twoth Day ... Friday 27th January ...

Quite a few today ... 8)

Before Dark 1.30 Fontwell ...


Sir Sandrovitch 1.50 Wolverhampton ...
Blue Maeve 1.50 Wolverhampton ...
Guru 2.00 Fontwell ...
Distant Country 2.25 Wolverhampton ...
Heron's Ghyll 2.35 Fontwell ...
He's a Rocket 3.30 Wolverhampton ...
Walcot Lad 3.50 Fakenham ...
Little Jimbob 4.30 Wolverhampton ...
Russian Mist 5.00 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck today!

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Results Update: day 122 ...

Before Dark 1.30 Fontwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £35.04 ;D


Sir Sandrovitch 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.8, £35.04 ;D
Blue Maeve 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.7, £35.04 ;D
Guru 2.00 Fontwell ... 8/1, 6.8, £35.04 ;D

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Distant Country 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 4.2, £35.04 :'( nasty shorties ... >
Heron's Ghyll 2.35 Fontwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £35.04 ;D
He's a Rocket 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.8, £35.04 ;D
Walcot Lad 3.50 Fakenham ... 9/1, 9.6, £23.36 ;D
Little Jimbob 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 11.0, £23.36 ;D
Russian Mist 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £35.04 ;D

Comments:
Profits today: £277.40 (that's £292.00 less 5% commission); but a loss of £112.13 on
the shortie brings the day's net profit down to £165.27 ...

And the original bank has now doubled, reaching a new high of £6000.12

... ;D 8)

This doesn't necessarily mean that it will stay above the £6000, obviously; and

February doesn't even have to be a profitable month at all, for all I know ... :

Still, this £6,000 was the original target figure for February 28th, so I'm not exactly
complaining ... :-X

New stakes for the next day, of course: £60, £36 and £24 ... nice round numbers for
once!

Next target = £8,500 for May 31st 2006 ... :-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: £165.27
Tomorrow's bank: £6000.12
The next day's stakes: £60, £36 and £24

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.83%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.62%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 100% 8)

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


January strike-rate: 145 wins from 171 selections = 84.8%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 920 wins from 1103 selections = 83.41%

Sneaky day off tomorrow ... next update on Sunday ...

;D

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Congratulations on 'doubling up' Maria.

Onwards and upwards!

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hope you are putting some of this up for the wedding of the year
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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Third Day ... Sunday 29th January ...

A shame that Hereford's off ... the dodgy going there would have given us two or

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three easy lays, I think ... :-\

So, this is what's left today ...

Supreme Salutation 12.50 Southwell ...


Kingsgate Prince 1.30 Lingfield ...
Red Finesse 2.30 Lingfield ...
Arctic Desert 3.00 Lingfield ...
Eastborough 3.30 Lingfield ...
Moayed 4.00 Lingfield ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 123 ...

Supreme Salutation 12.50 Southwell ... 11/1, 11.0 £24 ;D


Kingsgate Prince 1.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.0, £36 :'(
Red Finesse 2.30 Lingfield ... 10/1!!, 7.4, £36 ;D
Arctic Desert 3.00 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £24 :'(
Eastborough 3.30 Lingfield ... 12/1, 10.5, £24 ;D
Moayed 4.00 Lingfield ... 4/1, 4.9, £36 ;D

Comments:
One of those rare but disastrous days when I laid a winner at my cut-off of 11.0, and

of course another one has to win on the same day ...

Profits today: £114 (that's £120

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 31st January ...

We still seem to have 8 today, even with Taunton abandoned and Southwell being

bandit racing ...

Weet Yer Turn 2.20 Southwell ...


Alzama 2.20 Southwell ...
Dangerousdanmagru 3.00 Folkestone ...
Gee Aker Malayo 3.30 Folkestone ...
Regal River 3.30 Folkestone ...
Adecco 4.00 Folkestone ...
Desert Lover 4.20 Southwell ...
Victory Roll 4.00 Folkestone ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 125 ...

Weet Yer Turn 2.20 Southwell ... 9/2. 7.4, £36 ;D


Alzama 2.20 Southwell ... 14/1, 11.0 £24 ;D
Dangerousdanmagru 3.00 Folkestone ... 4/1, 5.6, £36 ;D
Gee Aker Malayo 3.30 Folkestone ... 9/1, 8.8, £24 ;D
Regal River 3.30 Folkestone ... 5/1, 6.6, £36 ;D
Adecco 4.00 Folkestone ... 9/1, 9.4, £24 :'(
Desert Lover 4.20 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.8, £24 :'(
Victory Roll 4.00 Folkestone ... 5/1, 4.9, £36 ;D

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Comments:
Please note that yesterday's results update, on the previous page, has been
edited to correct a mistake in the totals (I missed out the profit on one of the
lays when I first added them up).

The less said about today, the better, I suppose ... >

Profits today: £182.40 (that's £192 less 5% commission); but two nasty losses
totalling £374.40 bring in a net loss on the day of £192 ... :'(

The bank is now £5546.52, and that's the final figure for the month ... :-\

Tomorrow's stakes unchanged, of course ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5101.12
Profit/(loss) today: (£192)
Tomorrow's bank: £5546.52
Tomorrow's stakes: £60, £36 and £24

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.35%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.73%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 84.88%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75%


January strike-rate: 167 wins from 199 selections = 83.92%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 942 wins from 1133 selections = 83.14%

I'll be back later with a quick "round-up of the month" but I can tell you now
that the main problem was the cold ... for me, I mean: not for the horses ... :P

:-\

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Ye Round-Uppe of Ye Olde Monthe

Well, not that much to say, really ... :-\

A very disappointing last day of the month saw a significant drop back from our high
point of £6,000, but still we made 8.73% on the month, with a strike-rate just a

fraction under 84%, which is about right ...

Two other bijou snipettes of information:

- there'll be selections tomorrow (Wednesday 1st), but after that I'm going home for a
couple of days and have an exam to take there on Friday, so I won't be online and
posting there as usual; the next laying day after tomorrow won't be until Sunday 5th

February ... :

- February and March should be "normal" in terms of numbers of selections, April will
be much "quieter" and then from May 1st until the end of August, when my year's
posting comes to an end, there'll be quite a few more selections per month than we've

seen so far ...

Janis, if you're around and still doing every bet with me, now's a very good time to
post your results, please and thank you ... (and if you want to volunteer your services
to them as an External Examiner to mark my paper that will also be appreciated!)

...

More tomorrow ... ;D

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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 1st February ...

Unrestricted 1.30 Lingfield ...


Thebestisyettocome 1.30 Lingfield ...
Creme Brulee 3.00 Lingfield ...
Flying Spur 3.15 Leicester ...
Mazzareme 3.15 Leicester ...
Kindlelight Debut 3.30 Lingfield ...
Parish Oak 3.45 Leicester ...
Hand Chime 4.00 Lingfield ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 126 ...

Unrestricted 1.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.9, £36 ;D


Thebestisyettocome 1.30 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £36 ;D
Creme Brulee 3.00 Lingfield ... 3/1, 5.0, £36 ;D
Flying Spur 3.15 Leicester ... 7/1, 6.4, £36 ;D
Mazzareme 3.15 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £24 ;D
Kindlelight Debut 3.30 Lingfield ... 15/2, 7.4, £36 ;D
Parish Oak 3.45 Leicester ... 14/1!!, 11.0, £24 ;D
Hand Chime 4.00 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £24 ;D

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A bit better today ...

Profits today: £239.40 (that's £252 less 5% commission); no losses ... 8)

The bank is now £5785.92, and the next day's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £239.40
The next day's bank: £5785.92
The next day's stakes: £60, £36 and £24

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.32%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.32%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 92.86%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100%


February strike-rate: 8 wins from 8 selections = 100%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 950 wins from 1141 selections = 83.26%

I'm going away tonight for a few days. Next laying selections on Sunday 5th
February.

;D

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well done ;D
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The Hundred-And-Twenty-Seventh Day ... Sunday 5th February ...

Had to cross a few off at Chepstow, of course, but I'm laying these ...

Jupiters Fancy 1.40 Musselburgh ...


Mystery Pips 1.50 Southwell ...
Mount Royals 2.25 Southwell ...
Bamzooki 3.00 Southwell ...
Saif Sareea 3.25 Musselburgh ...
Renvyle 3.55 Musselburgh ...

Good luck ...

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Results Update: day 127 ...

Jupiters Fancy 1.40 Musselburgh ... 6/1, 7.4, £36 ;D


Mystery Pips 1.50 Southwell ... 11/1, 10.5, £24 ;D
Mount Royals 2.25 Southwell ... 10/3, 5.1, £36 ;D
Bamzooki 3.00 Southwell ... 11/4, 4.8, £36 ;D
Saif Sareea 3.25 Musselburgh ... 15/2, 9.0 £24 ;D
Renvyle 3.55 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 10.5, £24 ;D

Comments:

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Profits today: £171.00 (that's £180.00 less 5% commission); no losses ...* 8)

The bank is now £5956.92, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £171.00
Tomorrow's bank: £5956.92
Tomorrow's stakes: £60, £36 and £24

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.95%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.4%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 98.56%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 6 selections = 100%*

February strike-rate: 14 wins from 14 selections = 100%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 956 wins from 1147 selections = 83.34%

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Welcome - I don't actually know that one, though I think I've been called something
that rhymes with it ... ??? :-*

So ... the Hundred-And-Thirtieth-Day ... Wednesday 8th February ...

Not so many today ...

But still some dangerous shorties ...

Permanent Way 1.20 Lingfield ...


Dream On Maggie 1.30 Ludlow ...
Lewis Island 1.55 Lingfield ...
Trouble Maker 2.30 Lingfield ...
Iron Man 2.55 Carlisle ...
Winsley 3.15 Ludlow ...
Star Trooper 3.30 Carlisle ...
Diane's Choice 3.40 Lingfield ...

Good luck!

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Another nice touch, Maria! Well done.

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Thank you, Wolf! ... :-*

Results Update: day 130 ...

Permanent Way 1.20 Lingfield ... 9/1, 11.0 £24.30 ;D


Dream On Maggie 1.30 Ludlow ... non-runner ...
Lewis Island 1.55 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.4, £36.46 ;D
Trouble Maker 2.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.0, £36.46 ;D
Iron Man 2.55 Carlisle ... 7/2, 5.2, £36.46 ;D
Winsley 3.15 Ludlow ... 7/2, 4.2, £36.46 ;D
Star Trooper 3.30 Carlisle ... 8/1, 9.8, £24.30 ;D
Diane's Choice 3.40 Lingfield ... 12/1, 10.5, £24.30 ;D

Comments:

Profits today: £207.80 (that's £218.74 less 5% commission); no losses ...

So the bank has reached a new high of £6146.77; and tomorrow's stakes are

increased accordingly, to £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58 ...*

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £207.80
Tomorrow's bank: £6146.77
Tomorrow's backers' stakes: £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.57%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 10.82%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 104.87%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% ;D


February strike-rate: 41 wins from 46 selections = 89.13%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 983 wins from 1179 selections = 83.37%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-First Day ... Thursday 9th February ...

Not so many today, with Kelso cancelled ... but still some dangerous shorties

...

Stoneacre Lad 1.30 Southwell ...


Le Royal 1.40 Huntingdon ...
Spectested 2.30 Southwell ...
Alderburn 2.40 Huntingdon ...
Grand Bay 3.40 Huntingdon ...
Apollo Lady 4.40 Huntingdon ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 131 ...

Stoneacre Lad 1.30 Southwell ... 10/3, 4.0, £36.88 :'(


Le Royal 1.40 Huntingdon ... 9/1, 10.5 £24.58 ;D
Spectested 2.30 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.4, £36.88 ;D
Alderburn 2.40 Huntingdon ... 9/4, 3.7, £36.88 :'(
Grand Bay 3.40 Huntingdon ... 6/1, 6.6, £36.88 ;D
Apollo Lady 4.40 Huntingdon ... 9/4, 3.25, £61.46 :'(

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Damned abandoned meetings and small numbers of selections, and damned shorties

at the same time ...

I knew it was a bit high-risk today, but it didn't have to go quite this badly! ... >

Losses today came to a very nasty £347.01, and all I can deduct from them is takings
of £93.42 (that's £98.34 less 5% commission), leaving a loss of £253.59 on the day
... :'(

So the bank has now slipped back to £5893.18; and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged
...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (253.59)
Tomorrow's bank: £5893.18
Tomorrow's backers' stakes: £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.12%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.25%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 96.44%

Today's strike-rate: 3 wins from 6 selections = 50% :P :P :P :P :P


February strike-rate: 44 wins from 52 selections = 84.61%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 986 wins from 1185 selections = 83.2%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Twoth Day ... Friday 10th February ...

Oh dear ... more abandoned meetings, dodgy weather and going, and horrendous

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shorties ...

I'm laying these, anyway ...

Farnborough 1.50 Wolverhampton ...


Brooklyns Gold 2.30 Bangor ...
Arctic Cherry 2.30 Bangor ...
Dolce Maria 2.50 Wolverhampton ... :-[
Precious Bane 3.05 Bangor ...
Finzi 3.05 Bangor ...
Berkamstead 3.25 Wolverhampton ...
Dark Society 4.40 Bangor ...
Pretty Sister 5.30 ... Wolverhampton ...

I'm actually also pretty tempted by the crazy price of Denman, now that Black Jack
Ketchum's withdrawn, but I can't claim it as a system selection and I won't be

including it in the results when it wins (or loses) the race, either ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 132 ...

Farnborough 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 3.85, £36.88 ;D


Brooklyns Gold 2.30 Bangor ... 11/2, 7.0, £36.88 ;D
Arctic Cherry 2.30 Bangor ... 9/2, 5.8, £36.88 ;D
Dolce Maria 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 10.5, £24.58 ;D
Precious Bane 3.05 Bangor ... 6/1, 7.4, £36.88 ;D
Finzi 3.05 Bangor ... 6/1, 6.0, £36.88 ;D
Berkhamsted 3.25 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.9, £36.88 :'(
Dark Society 4.40 Bangor ... 9/1, 11.0, £24.58 ;D
Pretty Sister 5.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 7.4, £36.88 ;D

Comments:

Typically, it was just the shortie that made a dent ... >
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Takings today £256.91 (that's £270.44 after removal of 5% commission), but the loss
of £106.96 on the nasty shortie brings the day's net profits down to £149.96 ... :-\

The bank now stands at £6043.14 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £149.96
Tomorrow's bank: £6043.14
Tomorrow's backers' stakes: £61.46, £36.88 and £24.58

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.54%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.95%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 101.44%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89%


February strike-rate: 52 wins from 61 selections = 85.25%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 986 wins from 1185 selections = 83.21%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Third Day ... Saturday 11th February ...

Quite a lot today, even for a busy Saturday ... including nasty evil dangerous shorties

... > :P

Hoping to show a decent profit today, out of laying this lot, and have laid to many
early prices to make it easy - don't want to have to be online all day! ... :-\

Mountain Pass 1.30 Lingfield ...


Sendinpost 1.30 Lingfield ...
Montgermont 1.35 Newbury ...
Hidden Bounty 2.05 Newbury ...

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Little Jimbob 2.30 Lingfield ...
Rosie Redman 2.50 Ayr ...
Al Eile 3.10 Newbury ...
Jurado Express 3.20 Ayr ...
El Tiger 3.35 Lingfield ...
Armaturk 3.45 Newbury ...
Classic Role 4.15 Newbury ...
Kirkside Pleasure 4.55 Ayr ...
Miss Lopez 7.00 Wolverhampton ...
Samuel Charles 7.30 Wolverhampton ...
Merdiff 7.30 Wolverhampton ...
Granary Girl 8.00 Wolverhampton ...
Lucius Verrus 8.30 Wolverhampton ...
My Pension 8.30 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck! ;D 8)

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surprised you got Mountain Pass Maria

drop to 5 is a major plus


jockey is a significant booking
2nd fav is drawn wider and is a stone down on ratings..

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surprised you got Mountain Pass Maria


drop to 5 is a major plus
jockey is a significant booking
2nd fav is drawn wider and is a stone down on ratings..

NOW he tells me! ... >


Seems you were right, of course ... that was my only winner today ... :P
;D

So ... Results Update: day 133 ...

I've taken out the Newbury ones: there's no point in writing out "non-runner (meeting
abandoned)" five times, and obviously they don't count as selections for the statistics
at the end, anyway ... :-X

Mountain Pass 1.30 Lingfield ... 7/4, 2.8, £61.46 :'( (I blame EC, myself ... ;D )
Sendinpost 1.30 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £24.58 ;D
Little Jimbob 2.30 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.4, £36.88 ;D
Rosie Redman 2.50 Ayr ... 4/1, 5.8, £36.88 ;D
Jurado Express 3.20 Ayr ... 6/1, 6.6, £36.88 ;D
El Tiger 3.35 Lingfield ... 7/1, 5.6, £36.88 ;D
Kirkside Pleasure 4.55 Ayr ... 8/1, 10.0, £24.58 ;D
Miss Lopez 7.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 5.3, £36.88 ;D
Samuel Charles 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.4, £36.88 ;D
Merdiff 7.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/1, 11.0, £24.58 ;D
Granary Girl 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.0, £36.88 ;D
Lucius Verrus 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £36.88 ;D
My Pension 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.0, £36.88 ;D

Comments:
Tempted to repeat yesterday's comment ("Typically, it was just the shortie that made
a dent") but the truth is that I included a duff selection that I should have left out ...
sorry ... :-[

Takings today £385.37 (that's £405.66 after removal of 5% commission), but the loss
of £110.63 on the nasty shortie brings the day's net profits down to £274.74 ...*

So the bank has now reached a new high of £6317.88 and tomorrow's stakes are
therefore changed: now £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27 ... 8)

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £274.74
Tomorrow's bank: £6317.88
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.55%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.91%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 110.6% ;D

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31%


February strike-rate: 64 wins from 74 selections = 86.49%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 998 wins from 1198 selections = 83.3%

Barring accidents, tomorrow will be the day that we have our thousandth

winner since starting posting nearly 6 months ago ...

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we make a good team :P

good luck tomorrow, I have to go hospital visiting tomorrow ..so won't be around.

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i hate picking losers[although you would'nt guess it]


but to WIN picking losers
GOD whats hapopening to the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's moving on, Divna ... you have to move on with it ... "Be there or be square"
... :P

So ... The Hundred-And-Thirty-Fourth Day ... Sunday 12th February ...

Lots for a Sunday ... 8)

Shamayoun 1.40 Hereford ...


Don And Gerry 2.10 Hereford ...
Dead-Eyed Dick 2.30 Exeter ...
Gunther McBride 2.30 Exeter ...
Siberian Highness 3.00 Exeter ...
Follow The Flow 3.10 Hereford ...
Blakeshall Quest 3.20 Southwell ...
Wild Power 3.40 Hereford ...
Iffy 4.00 Exeter ...
Victory Roll 4.10 Hereford ...
Chelsea Bridge 4.30 Exeter ...
It's The Limit 4.40 Hereford ...
Supreme Salutation 4.50 Southwell ...
Commander Kev 5.00 Exeter ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 134 ...

Shamayoun 1.40 Hereford ... 11/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D


Don And Gerry 2.10 Hereford ... non-runner
Dead-Eyed Dick 2.30 Exeter ... 5/1, 5.6, £37.90 ;D this one was our thousandth
winner! 8)
Gunther McBride 2.30 Exeter ... 5/1, 6.2 £37.90 :'(
Siberian Highness 3.00 Exeter ... 6/1, 6.2, £37.90 ;D
Follow The Flow 3.10 Hereford ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
Blakeshall Quest 3.20 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.4, £25.27 :'(
Wild Power 3.40 Hereford ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
Iffy 4.00 Exeter ... 10/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
Victory Roll 4.10 Hereford ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Chelsea Bridge 4.30 Exeter ... 5/1, 6.6, £37.90 ;D
It's The Limit 4.40 Hereford ... non-runner
Supreme Salutation 4.50 Southwell ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
Commander Kev 5.00 Exeter ... 9/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D

Comments:
Very surprised to be losing £72 out of that lot, to be honest ... and feeling pretty
disappointed by Christian Bendix's inability to see off Blakeshall Quest in the 3.20, but
I suppose that's bandit racing for you ... :P :P :P

A couple of non-runners don't help, either, just when you need to take a couple of

extra £37.90's to even it all up ... :

Takings today £312.95 (that's £328.48 after removal of 5% commission), but the

losses totalling £384.08 bring in a net loss of £72.03 today ... *

So the bank slips back to £6245.85 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£72.03)
Tomorrow's bank: £6245.85
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.14%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.61%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 108.2%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%


February strike-rate: 74 wins from 86 selections = 86.04%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1008 wins from 1210 selections = 83.3%

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Fifth Day ... Monday 13th February ...

Plenty again, today ... I'm laying these:

Beneking 1.50 Wolverhampton ...


Milk And Sultana 2.10 Lingfield ...
Piquet 2.40 Lingfield ...
Special Conquest 3.00 Plumpton ...
Alright Now Mlad 3.30 Plumpton ...
Calusa Charlie 3.30 Plumpton ...
Kindlelight Debut 3.50 Wolverhampton ...
Blaeberry 4.00 Plumpton ...
Fulvio 4.10 Lingfield ...
Idole First 4.30 Plumpton ...
Dexileos 4.40 Lingfield ...
Majehar 4.40 Lingfield ...
Tod Sloan 4.40 Lingfield ...
Musiotal 4.40 Lingfield ...
Cockspur 5.00 Plumpton ...
Jalouhar 5.20 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck, and try not to worry too much about the 4.40 at Lingfield ... ;D

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Results Update: day 135 ...

Beneking 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 11/4, 4.2, £37.90 *;D


Milk And Sultana 2.10 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.5, £25.27 *;D
Piquet 2.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 *;D
Special Conquest 3.00 Plumpton ... 13/2, 7.4, £37.90 *;D
Alright Now Mlad 3.30 Plumpton ... 8/1, 8.6, £25.27 *:'(
Calusa Charlie 3.30 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £37.90 *;D
Kindlelight Debut 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.8, £37.90 *;D
Blaeberry 4.00 Plumpton ... 4/1, 5.3, £37.90 *;D
Fulvio 4.10 Lingfield ... 4/1, 5.3, £37.90 *:'(
Idole First 4.30 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.8, £25.27 *:'(
Dexileos 4.40 Lingfield ... 9/1, 10.5, £25.27 *;D
Majehar 4.40 Lingfield ... 5/1, 6.4, £37.90 *;D
Tod Sloan 4.40 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 *;D
Musiotal 4.40 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.8, £37.90 *;D
Cockspur 5.00 Plumpton ... 13/2, 8.0 £25.27 *:'(
Jalouhar 5.20 Wolverhampton ... 10/3, 5.3, £37.90 *;D

Comments:

Disaster City ... *> :'( :-[ :P

Takings today £408.06 (that's £429.54 after removal of 5% commission), but the

nasty losses totalling £654.48 bring in a net loss of £246.42 today ...* *

So the bank slips back yet again, frustratingly, to £5999.43 and tomorrow's stakes are

unchanged ... *:

It's just annoying and calls for lots of patience: but 28th February was our original
target for £6000, to duplicate the previous year's results ... *:-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£246.42)
Tomorrow's bank: £5999.43
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.94%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 8.16%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 99.98%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 16 selections = 75% *:P


February strike-rate: 86 wins from 102 selections = 84.31%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1020 wins from 1226 selections = 83.2%

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still doing well maria picking losers or is it winners


either way winners losers losers winners
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Thank you, Divna ... hope I won't offend Amy too much if I wish you Happy
Valentine's Day? ... :-*

The Hundred-And-Thirty-Sixth Day ... Tuesday 14th February ...

Soba Jones 1.30 Southwell ...


First Look 1.40 Newcastle ...
Lord OAll Seasons 2.10 Newcastle ...
Palm Island 2.20 Folkestone ...
Four Amigos 3.00 Southwell ...
Glenfarclas Boy 3.10 Newcastle ...

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Spear Thistle 3.20 Folkestone ...
Red Contact 3.30 Southwell ...
Tallow Bay 3.50 Folkestone ...
Hawkit 4.30 Southwell ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Originally Posted by maria

Thank you, Divna ... hope I won't offend Amy too much if I wish you Happy
Valentine's Day? ...* :-*

No probs as long as he remembers to send me a card and red roses etc, and if he

dosn,t well there is always JM, Irie and Wolf the reserves*

Good Luck Today Maria

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Results Update: day 136 ...

Soba Jones 1.30 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.6, £37.90 :'(


First Look 1.40 Newcastle ... 7/2, 5.3, £37.90 ;D
Lord OAll Seasons 2.10 Newcastle ... 7/1, 9.0, 25.27 ;D
Palm Island 2.20 Folkestone ... 7/1, 9.5, £25.27 ;D
Four Amigos 3.00 Southwell ... 16/1!!, 9.6, £25.27 ;D
Glenfarclas Boy 3.10 Newcastle ... 15/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Spear Thistle 3.20 Folkestone ... 11/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Red Contact 3.30 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Tallow Bay 3.50 Folkestone ... 8/1, 8.8, £25.27 :'(
Hawkit 4.30 Southwell ... 13/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D

Comments:
Hmmm ... another bad day ... :'(

Takings today £252.04 (that's £265.31 after deduction of 5% commission), but the
two nasty losses (one of them totally unexpected) add up to £371.45, and that brings

in a net loss of £119.41 today ...* *

So the bank slips back yet again, frustratingly, to £5880.02 and tomorrow's stakes are

unchanged ... *:

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£119.41)
Tomorrow's bank: £5880.02
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.99%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.01%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 96%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 19 selections = 80%


February strike-rate: 94 wins from 112 selections = 83.93%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1028 wins from 1236 selections = 83.17%

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Thank you, Divna ... hope I won't offend Amy too much if I wish you Happy
Valentine's Day? ...

same to you maria :-* but i have got to admit i'm very worried about amy
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And ... for my next disaster ... :

The Hundred-And-Thirty-Seventh Day ... Wednesday 15th February ...

I'm laying these ...

Secam 1.50 Lingfield ...


Gee Aker Malayo 2.10 Leicester ...
Exit Smiling 2.20 Lingfield ...
Starbuck 2.30 Musselburgh ...
Risington 2.40 Leicester ...
Ballet Pacifica 2.50 Lingfield ...
Ganymede 3.20 Lingfield ...
Moor Spirit 3.40 Leicester ...
Heartache 4.10 Leicester ...
No Kidding 4.30 Musselburgh ...
River Dante 4.40 Leicester ...

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Results Update: day 137 ...

Secam 1.50 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.0, £37.90 ;D


Gee Aker Malayo 2.10 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
Exit Smiling 2.20 Lingfield ... 5/1, 5.9, £37.90 ;D
Starbuck 2.30 Musselburgh ... 7/1, 7/4, £37.90 ;D
Risington 2.40 Leicester ... 11/2, 7.0, £37.90 ;D

Ballet Pacifica 2.50 Lingfield ... 2/1, 2.52, £63.17 :'( > :P :-[
Ganymede 3.20 Lingfield ... 11/1, 9.6, £25.27 ;D
Moor Spirit 3.40 Leicester ... 4/1, 5.5, £37.90 ;D
Heartache 4.10 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
No Kidding 4.30 Musselburgh ... 9/1, 10.0, £25.27 ;D
River Dante 4.40 Leicester ... 8/1, 10.5, £25.27 ;D

Comments:
Takings today £300.05 (that's £315.85 after deduction of 5% commission), but the
loss of £96.02 on Ballet Pacifica brings that down to a net profit of £204.03 today ...

So the bank has picked back up £6084.05 but tomorrow's stakes are still unchanged

... *:

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £204.03
Tomorrow's bank: £6084.05
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £63.17, £37.90 and £25.27

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.47%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.69%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 102.8%
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Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91%
February strike-rate: 104 wins from 123 selections = 84.55%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1038 wins from 1247 selections = 83.24%

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Nice profit Maria, Well Done

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Pleased to see that you are still laying very well, Maria! :-*

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The Hundred-And-Thirty-Eighth Day ... Thursday 16th February ...

Plenty to lay today ...

Flaming Weapon 2.30 Huntingdon ...


Blue Business 2.40 Taunton ...
Times Review 2.50 Southwell ...
Henry Tun 2.50 Southwell ...
Original Thought 3.30 Huntingdon ...
Doctor Dennis 3.50 Southwell ...
Shifty Night 3.50 Southwell ...
Glacial Delight 4.00 Huntingdon ...
Misty Future 4.10 Taunton ...
Matthew Muroto 4.10 Taunton ...
Treasulier 4.10 Taunton ...
Prairie Law 4.30 Huntingdon ...
Sarin 4.40 Taunton ...
Penny's Crown 5.10 Taunton ...

I am currently unmatched at 11.0 on a couple of these, but that's par for the course

and they're almost always taken at some point ...

Good luck today! ... ;D

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Maria, Just read all of your thread absolutely brilliant keep up the good work

All the best

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly

Maria, Just read all of your thread

Ooh, thank you very much, Dickie. You must be a man with patience and discipline -

there is so much of it to read now! ...

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Results Update: day 138 ...

Flaming Weapon 2.30 Huntingdon ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D

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Blue Business 2.40 Taunton ... 17/2, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Times Review 2.50 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.2, £25.27 ;D
Henry Tun 2.50 Southwell ... 4/1, 4.5, £37.90 ;D
Original Thought 3.30 Huntingdon ... 12/1, 10.0, £25.27 ;D
Doctor Dennis 3.50 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Shifty Night 3.50 Southwell ... 9/1, 10.0, £25.27 ;D
Glacial Delight 4.00 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Misty Future 4.10 Taunton ... 8/1, 9.6, £25.27 ;D
Matthew Muroto 4.10 Taunton ... 6/1, 7.4, £37.90 ;D
Treasulier 4.10 Taunton ... 15/2, 9.5, £25.27 ;D
Prairie Law 4.30 Huntingdon ... 10/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D
Sarin 4.40 Taunton ... 7/2, 5.9, £37.90 ;D
Penny's Crown 5.10 Taunton ... 12/1, 11.0, £25.27 ;D

Comments:
A good day for the system, today ...

Profits today £408.08 (that's £429.56 after deduction of 5% commission); no losses

...

So the bank has finally reached a new high, at £6492.12, and that means tomorrow's
stakes are increased a fraction, of course, to £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96 ... 8)

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £408.08
Tomorrow's bank: £6492.12
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96

Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.7%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.04%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 116.4%

Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 14 selections = 100% ;D


February strike-rate: 118 wins from 137 selections = 86.13%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1052 wins from 1261 selections = 83.42%

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Very nice Maria and well deserved!

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OMG

I wonder how many people you made cry today..

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losers win again ;D


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Relentless nibbling,your like having a mouse in the house ;D

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not as patient as you with this system

top top draw

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Oooh, thank you ...

The Hundred-And-Thirty-Ninth Day ... Friday 17th February ...

Not nearly as many as yesterday, I'm afraid ... :

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Tufty Hopper 1.50 Fakenham ...
Prettilini 2.10 Wolverhampton ...
Grezie 2.40 Wolverhampton ...
Dearson 2.50 Fakenham ...
Cordilla 3.30 Market Rasen ...
Tom Fruit 3.30 Market Rasen ...
Mossman Gorge 3.40 Wolverhampton ...
Honey's Gift 3.50 Fakenham ...
Rosita Bay 4.50 Fakenham ...
Bedtime Boys 5.00 Market Rasen ...

Good luck today! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 139 ...

Tufty Hopper 1.50 Fakenham ... 9/1, 11.0, £25.96 ;D


Prettilini 2.10 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 3.8, £38.95 :'(
Grezie 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 7.4, £38.95 ;D
Dearson 2.50 Fakenham ... 9/2, 7.4, £38.95 ;D
Cordilla 3.30 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 5.1, £38.95 ;D
Tom Fruit 3.30 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 5.3, £38.95 ;D
Mossman Gorge 3.40 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £38.95 ;D
Honey's Gift 3.50 Fakenham ... 9/2, 7.4, £38.95 ;D
Rosita Bay 4.50 Fakenham ... 13/2, 7.4, £38.95 ;D
Bedtime Boys 5.00 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.0 £25.96 :'(

Comments:
Not so great, today ... could have been worse, to be honest ... at least I got away with
taking 10 early prices without it actually mattering, I think ... :P

Takings today £283.68 (that's £298.61 after deduction of 5% commission); losses


£316.74; net loss of £33.06 on the day ...

So the bank slips back £33.06, to £6459.06; tomorrow's stakes unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (33.06)
Tomorrow's bank: £6459.06
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.51%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.45%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 115.3%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 10 selections = 80%


February strike-rate: 126 wins from 147 selections = 85.71%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1060 wins from 1271 selections = 83.4%

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Hi maria,
I am new this site but been watching with great interst from outside and must
congratulate you on your acheivement, have been laying myself with small amount of
success but feel your staking system is the answer and I wonder if you have any
objection to me using it(sure there's nothing to stop me) but prefer to ask and it
doesn't cost anything to do that.
All the best anyway and will watch intently, saw the last lay of yours today a real
nasty one.

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I save the slagging for Divna ...

i'm hurt really hurt me a slagger NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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me a slagger NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never said you were, D ... I said I was!! ;D 8) : :-*

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

* Hi maria,
* * * * * * I am new this site but been watching with great interst from outside and
must congratulate you on your acheivement, have been laying myself with small
amount of success but feel your staking system is the answer and I wonder if you
have any objection to me using it(sure there's nothing to stop me) but prefer to ask
and it doesn't cost anything to do that.
* All the best anyway and will watch intently, saw the last lay of yours today a real
nasty one.

Of course - you're welcome. And welcome to the Forum and thanks for registering,
etc. I wish you well with the staking system and deny all responsibility for any
accidents ... ;D

Yes; today's last one was nasty, and a great surprise ... would have been a good day

without that, but that's laying ...

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The Hundred-And-Fortieth Day ... Saturday 18th February ...

Shall I mention the time of year, day of the week, going, small number of selections

and high-risk shorties, or does all that stuff go without saying ... ???

I'm laying these ...

Crozan 12.55 Lingfield ...


Rowlands Dream 2.30 Lingfield ...
Casablanca Minx 2.35 Wolverhampton ...
All In The Stars 3.55 Wincanton ...
Trust Fund 4.05 Uttoxeter ...
River Ripples 4.10 Lingfield ...
Glad Big 4.15 Lingfield ...
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Results Update: day 140 ...

Crozan 12.55 Lingfield ... 7/2, 5.5, £38.95 ;D


Rowlands Dream 2.30 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.4, £38.95 ;D
Casablanca Minx 2.35 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 5.0, £38.95 :'(
All In The Stars 3.55 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.4, £25.96 :'(
Trust Fund 4.05 Uttoxeter ... 9/2, 5.8, £38.95 ;D
River Ripples 4.10 Lingfield ... 2/1, 3.4, £64.92 ;D
Glad Big 4.15 Lingfield ... 11/4, 5.3, £38.95 ;D

Comments:

A bad day - as simple as that ... >

Takings today £209.68 (that's £220.72 after deduction of 5% commission); losses


£373.86; net loss of £164.18 on the day ... :'(

So the bank slips back again to £6294.88; tomorrow's stakes unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£164.18)
Tomorrow's bank: £6294.88
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £64.92, £38.95 and £25.96

Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.54%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.49%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 109.83%

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Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.43% :P
February strike-rate: 131 wins from 154 selections = 85.06%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1065 wins from 1278 selections = 83.33%

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The Hundred-And-Forty-First Day ... Sunday 19th February ...

Caged Tiger 2.00 Fontwell ...


Twotiming Gent 2.20 Towcester ...
Steppes Of Gold 2.30 Fontwell ...
Watermouse 2.50 Towcester ...
Charlies Future 3.20 Towcester ...
Runaway Bishop 3.20 Towcester ...
Nefertari 4.50 Towcester ...
Just Supposin 5.00 Fontwell ...
Chorizo 5.00 Fontwell ...

Good/bad luck! ... :P

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Maria, congratulations your system is holding up well. Do you have a full results
history available on spreadsheet etc?.

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Drew,

Welcome to EBA and thanks for honouring this thread with your first post ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DREW

Do you have a full results history available on spreadsheet etc?.

I'm afraid not; sorry ... I know you'd expect someone my age to be totally
computerised, and you will laugh, perhaps, but I don't really use spreadsheets at all.
I've got all the software and I can open one and look at it and even fiddle with it a
little bit when somebody sends me one, but for my own work I use those big old-
fashioned Eastern European accounts books with creamy paper and leather covers
(honestly - I've got a supply of them at home!) ... and that's why I never have a very
quick answer if anyone asks questions like "What's the overall strike-rate on selections
priced under 4.0?" and all this sort of thing ... :-[

I can tell you second-hand from "research" that other people have done on all my
results that I've made more with this staking system than either fixed-stake or fixed-
liability would have done with the same selections and results; but as you'll see from

the thread's first couple of posts, that's no surprise to me ...

Results Update: day 141 ...

Caged Tiger 2.00 Fontwell ... 9/2, 5.2, £38.95 ;D


Twotiming Gent 2.20 Towcester ... 8/1, 8.6, £25.96 ;D
Steppes Of Gold 2.30 Fontwell ... non-runner
Watermouse 2.50 Towcester ... 9/1, 10.0, £25.96 ;D
Charlies Future 3.20 Towcester ... 8/1, 9.8, £25.96 ;D
Runaway Bishop 3.20 Towcester ... 15/2, 7.0, £38.95 ;D

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Nefertari 4.50 Towcester ... 8/1, 8.2, £25.96 ;D
Just Supposin 5.00 Fontwell ... non-runner
Chorizo 5.00 Fontwell ... 4/1, 3.4, £64.92 ;D

Comments:

A couple of non-runners but no accidents, anyway ...

Takings today £234.32 (that's £246.66 after deduction of 5% commission) ...

So the bank has reached a new high of £6529.20 and that means new stakes for
tomorrow, of course, which are £65.90, £39.17 and £26.11 ... 8)

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £234.32
Tomorrow's bank: £6529.20
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £65.90, £39.17 and £26.11

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.72%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 17.71%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 117.64%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100%* ;D


February strike-rate: 138 wins from 161 selections = 85.71%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1072 wins from 1285 selections = 83.42%

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Re: Maria's laying system

Well done Maria, great to get back in profit after a bad day, I started using your
system and just in profit(just on paper at moment) but fairly confident, didn't like
today but listened to somebody about Gatsby and laid it, I never learn.

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Nice one again, Maria!

Wolf

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Day 142 ... Monday 20th February ...

Had a dreadful day's laying, today ...

Star Welcome 1.15 Lingfield ... 15/2, 7.2, £39.17 ;D


Hello Roberto 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 8.0, £26.11 :'(
Obe Bold 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 11.0, £26.11 ;D
Christmas Player 2.50 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.5, £26.11 ;D
King of Music 3.20 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0 £26.11 ;D
Joe Jo Star 3.35 Wolverhampton ... 13/2, 8.2, £26.11 :'(
Dagola 4.10 Wolverhampton ... 7/2, 5.8, £39.17 ;D

Comments:
Takings today were £148.83 (that's £156.67 after deduction of 5% commission) but
the two losses came to £370.77, producing a net loss of £221.94 on the day ...

So the bank has slipped back to £6307.26 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£221.94)
Tomorrow's bank: £6307.26
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £65.90, £39.17 and £26.11

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Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.4%)
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.72%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 110.24%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 7 selections = 71.42


February strike-rate: 143 wins from 168 selections = 85.11%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1077 wins from 1292 selections = 83.4%

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21-02-2006, 09:58 AM

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Re: Maria's laying system

Hi Maria,
Saw you corrected for me on another site, and saying it was alright to use your
system. Just to say use another name(to avoid confusion) so you had given me
permission on her before I used it. My thanks anyway and good luck today hope you
cancel out yesterdays loss, I thought it was a tricky day and thats why I had higher
prices than I like.
Would have posted lays on here but thought that was taking liberties, I trolled thru all
your lays and really think its superb laying wish I had cash to start.
caraman(alias corky)

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No problem Caraman (Corky!) ... I wondered if it was you ...

You're welcome anyway, and I wish you good luck with it ...

I don't like days with only about 7 or 8 to lay, myself, because there's always the risk
that one winner will take most of the day's profit away or that two winners out of
seven will produce a loss. Given my own system selections (though obviously this may
well not apply to others), to me it's a high-turnover, low-profit business; I have my
little "edge" and I want to exert it as often as possible, so the more selections I can
come up with, the safer I am ... 8)

As people say "There's safety in numbers" ...

Mind you, they also say that blonde is a lifestyle choice and not just a hair colour ...
???

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Third Day ... Tuesday 21st February ...

Plenty to lay today ... favourites, fifth-favourites, shorties, stinkers, jumpers, crawlers

... just call it "variety day" (everything but "winners", I hope!) ...

House Martin 1.40 Lingfield ...


Neptune Joly 1.50 Sedgefield ...
Petitjean 2.00 Exeter ...
Granary Girl 2.10 Lingfield ...
Fast Forward 2.30 Exeter ...
Rebellious Spirit 2.40 Lingfield ...
Just Down The Road 2.40 Lingfield ...
Bellaney Jewel 2.50 Sedgefield ...
Precious Mystery 3.00 Exeter ...
Darjeeling 3.00 Exeter ...
Patternmaker 3.10 Lingfield ...

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Basilea Star 3.30 Exeter ...
Nolife 3.50 Sedgefield ...
Absolutelythebest 4.00 Exeter ...
Young Collier 4.30 Exeter ...
Ganache 5.00 Exeter ...

Good luck! ;D

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Hi Maria, a good day for you with just that one loss. Need a bit of advice, when laying
,I am posting the actual price shown on Betfair (ie 4.5 ) but my liability is worked out
on 3.5 so take it that is what should be my liability, want your input on that before I
work out profit/loss on my lays. I had one bad one to day thought De Blanc would
win. Thank you if you can reply.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

Need a bit of advice, when laying ,I am posting the actual price shown on Betfair (ie
4.5 )

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I see what you mean ... well, it's obviously up to you, but I think that if you're quoting
a price you see as "available to lay" at Betfair rather than one you've actually taken
(for instance, if you're paper-trading rather than physically trading), you need to be

slightly careful about how much is actually available at that price ...

You see what I mean? It's sort of the same thing you see with backing, when people
are so quick to say "Oh, it was available at 9.0 on Betfair", to which I always want to
know "But how much was available at that price?" because sometimes there's £5
available at 9.0 and then a lot more available at 7.0 or something, you know ... ???

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want to be giving "4.5" as my laying price if I hadn't
actually taken a backer's £40 stake money (or whatever it was) at that price ... :-\

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

but my liability is worked out* on 3.5 so take it that is what should be my liability

Yes, absolutely. If you're laying at 4.5, then your liability (the amount you're risking,
the amount that physically leaves your account when you put the bet on, your own
"stake") is 3.5 multiplied by the number of pounds of backer's stake you're aiming to

win ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

I had one bad one to day thought De Blanc would win.

So did I, and I stupidly had a bit of a win bet on it, even though the low price made
me feel a bit ill ... :'(

So ... Results Update: day 143 ...

House Martin 1.40 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.0 £26.11 ;D


Neptune Joly 1.50 Sedgefield ... 6/1, 7.4, £39.17 ;D
Petitjean 2.00 Exeter ... 10/3, 5.2, £39.17 ;D
Granary Girl 2.10 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.2, £39.17 ;D
Fast Forward 2.30 Exeter ... 5/6, 2.7, £65.90 ;D
Rebellious Spirit 2.40 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £39.17 ;D
Just Down The Road 2.40 Lingfield ... 14/1!!, 11.0, £26.11 ;D
Bellaney Jewel 2.50 Sedgefield ... 4/1, 6.4, £39.17 ;D
Precious Mystery 3.00 Exeter ... 4/1, 5.6, £39.17 ;D
Darjeeling 3.00 Exeter ... 5/1, 6.4, £39.17 ;D

Patternmaker 3.10 Lingfield ... 9/2, 5.6, £39.17 :'( > :P :


Basilea Star 3.30 Exeter ... 4/1, 4.8, £39.17 ;D
Nolife 3.50 Sedgefield ... non-runner
Absolutelythebest 4.00 Exeter ... 9/1, 8.6, £26.11 ;D
Young Collier 4.30 Exeter ... 11/2, 5.5, £39.17 ;D
Ganache 5.00 Exeter ... 4/1, 7.4, £39.17 ;D

Comments:
I had a particularly blonde moment including Patternmaker in my post even after the

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strongly fancied Kitchen Sink was already a non-runner in that race before I posted,
and I winced a lot when I realised, but you get what you deserve for being in a hurry,
and obviously I must include it in the results (though I traded out of it, myself, I
admit) ... :-[

Anyway - better today: takings were £509.13 (that's £535.93 after deduction of 5%
commission), and the loss of £180.18 on Patternmaker still leaves a net profit of

£328.95 on the day ...

So the bank has actually reached a new high at £6636.21, and that means new,
marginally increased stakes for tomorrow, which are £66.36, £39.81 and £26.54

...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £328.95
Tomorrow's bank: £6636.21
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £66.36, £39.81 and £26.54

Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.22%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 19.65%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 121.21%

Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 15 selections = 93.33%


February strike-rate: 157 wins from 183 selections = 85.79%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1091 wins from 1307 selections = 83.47%

;D

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Hi Maria

Brilliant thread ...been watching from afar since day one , what a shrewd investor you
are . Hope you don't mind me asking but do you have any specific formula or criteria
for selecting your lays .

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Re: Maria's laying system

Thank Maria, I can see that clearly but difficult if not actually staking for real, have to
accept that price and hope would get accepted, hope the swings and roundabouts
would even out.
Not very up on laying so is there anything you can teach me,I know its a bit cheek
asking you, but how do I go about it when just paper trading, I know I could probably
watch the betting as it happens but have to be here all the time, how long does it take
you to get all your lays put on, are you taking various prices or what, can't see how
you do it without being their all the time (tongue in cheek there must be a lot of
housewives that would manage it) but honestly not sure how you manage.
You must have had a good day today will wait in anticipation.

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To Lay Traded I have downloaded this just now from Betfair maybe you can explain to
me how I use this info to get my lay bets on, lets
3.80 £2 £155 say £27 on at 3.85, I'm trying to learn so don't be to harsh on me as
just a absolute beginner but have to learn somewhere,
3.85 £2 £112 will take help from anyone, but easy to post on this thread as Maria was
kindly giving me some advice, but willingly
3.90 £99 move post to new thread on the board so not to upset Maria's
3.95 £28 I don't know if any of this makes sense but just bear with me.
4.00 £11
4.10 £10 £152
4.20 £6 £58
4.30 £66 £4
4.40 £13

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4.90 £68
5.50 £92
13.50 £3

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21-02-2006, 07:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

Not very up on laying so is there anything you can teach me

Don't know ... and you probably wouldn't ask if you knew my age! ... :-\

Still, I can tell you the main things I've found ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

how do I go about it when just paper trading, I know I could probably watch the
betting as it happens but have to be here all the time

This is the thing, it can be really time-consuming, but the extent to which that matters
depends on the nature of your selections. With my selections, overall it doesn't cost
anything to put the whole lot on early and forget about them. But that's probably not
true for most people. Part of the reason for this is that a lot of mine drift, and taking
early prices means I'm actually laying them at better than SP.

This is a subject about which people often have very strong opinions, and the ones
with the strongest opinions (as so often) are the ones with the least real knowledge
and directly useful experience. But in my opinion, however much all the people one
encounters online say the opposite, it's extremely difficult to make profits from laying
shorties, and much, much easier to do well by laying longer-priced ones, and longer-
priced ones tend (overall) to be drifters, whereas shorties tend (overall) to get even
shorter. So, the rule of thumb in cases of doubt is that you should err on the side of
taking early prices on the long ones, and leave the short ones as late as possible. With
exceptions! ;D

The single most important thing, really, is to be a decent judge of when they're going
to get longer and when they're going to get shorter, and it's a really big and difficult
subject; and there's quite a lot of commentary on it, in incidental chat, much nearer

the start of the thread ...

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I can recommend a book. It's a paperback, widely available, and it's called "Lay, Back
and Think Of Winning" by Nigel Paul ... 8)

But it's not quite as easy as he says in the book(!) ... I can also recommend that you
practice with the little charts on the exchange that show you how the price has been
moving until you think you can get a sense of which way it might develop (this is how
I was taught, because those things are like the trading charts my father used to use
at work before he became a self-employed professional layer) ... and there are also
various trainers whose horses are more likely to lengthen/shorten than others ...

sorry, I realise I must be making it all sound terribly complicated! ... >

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

how long does it take you to get all your lays put on

It's quicker than you'd think. Unless there are specific shorties I'm deliberately waiting
for, I "go round once", seeing what the prices look like, and just leave lots of positions
unmatched. (I do this at lunchtime - not in the morning - there isn't enough money on
the system in the morning for the prices to mean anything much). And by the time
I've done that once, I go round again and see what's been "taken" - and it's always

more than I expect ...

But the key to it is unmatched positions. I'm always making an offer, not accepting
what someone else wants to offer. Almost anything you leave unmatched inside the
gap (between the backing and laying prices), if there is a gap, will end up getting

taken ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

are you taking various prices or what

No, various people are taking my prices!

To be honest, I tend because of the "pricing structure" I'm using here to leave a lot
unmatched just inside my cut-offs. So I leave things unmatched at 7.4 or at 11.0 (or
very occasionally at 3.4, but that would be one I'd be leaving until later, probably).

If you look through my results posts, you'll see that I often get matched at 7.4, and
that's not coincidence at all, of course: it's because that's where I "go in unmatched"
(sometimes more in hope than in expectation, to be honest) and "await developments

with interest" ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

You must have had a good day today will wait in anticipation.

Yes; not bad ... just feeling very, very stupid about Patternmaker, which I could and
should have avoided ... :'(

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Hi Ellandback,

Welcome to EBA and thanks for your first post ... which deserves a better answer than
I can offer it ... :-[

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellandback

do you have any specific formula or criteria for selecting your lays

I do; several; but I'm afraid they're the things I don't comment on - I'm so sorry! :-[

I'm very happy to give away the selections, because doing that can't ever affect my
income (my positions are mostly done by the time I post them, apart from the
occasional shortie which is going to shorten further anyway), but if I go public about
the system, I might just wake up one day and find that the prices on my selections

are so poor that I can't do them any more!

So ... I must ask you to excuse me for the lack of "constructive response" on this
question ... :-X

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Thanks Maria,
Really appreciate taking the time out to answer my questions. It not easy when just
paper trading to get things working how one would like them, as you say might have
difficulty get laid at times, with small amounts no problem shouldn't think.
Would like to trade for real and thought after looking at yours a bank of around £1000
and adjust the stakes accordingly as I did in paper trading. Take your point about not
to many short prices as profit slow to accumalate but also get hit harder when they go
down, but easier to make a case for selecting the higher priced.
Today thought you would get bitten by Basliea Star.

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it's extremely difficult to make profits from laying shorties

The reason for that is that it highlights how much of a real edge you have very
quickly..whereas laying long prices can look profitable over a longer period of time but
in reality.. over say a couple of years you will end up with the same profit..using the
same edge.

I prefer to know over a couple of months if I am doing something wrong..with shorties


you can soon see..with longies you never know to much further down the line.

Either way..it's all about how good you are at picking losers

Do you have your own website Maria?

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I agree with you, EC ... :-*

But more to the point, why did it take you 33 minutes to reply? ...

When I said "it's extremely difficult to make profits from laying shorties" I was
thinking to myself "EC will be here in 10 minutes!" ... ;D

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

The reason for that is that it highlights how much of a real edge you have very
quickly..whereas laying long prices can look profitable over a longer period of time
but in reality.. over say a couple of years you will end up with the same profit..using
the same edge. I prefer to know over a couple of months if I am doing something
wrong..with shorties you can soon see..with longies you never know to much further
down the line. Either way..it's all about how good you are at picking losers

Yes; of course, I can't argue with a word of that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

Do you have your own website Maria?

Website? No ... I am a technophobe, I wouldn't know how to do that or use one, or


anything. Seriously. :P

Why? ... ???

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

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Would like to trade for real and thought after looking at yours a bank of around
£1000 and adjust the stakes accordingly as I did in paper trading.

I think that's right ... trading for real, even for minimum stakes, is so much better
than paper-trading, it really is.

I think you can start off with less than £1000 anyway ...

The Betfair minimum for backer's stake is £2 (there's actually a way round it but it's
unbelievably messy and complicated and it doesn't last for ever anyway, because if
you make a habit of it they'll threaten to close your account), so that means on a
selection at 11.0 (if you lay up to 11.0 like me?) your liability would be a minimum of
£20, and that £2 backer's stake needs to be 0.4% of your bank, so your bank has to
be £500, I think? I seem to recall when I started the thread that someone could
actually join in with about £500 if they wanted to, so that might be about right ... ???

I actually originally started laying with £1000, and my starting-bank of £3000 in


September last year when I started this thread all came from the profits from that
preliminary year, so my aim for this "year" (September to August) is to turn the

£3000 into £12000. We'll see ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

Today thought you would get bitten by Basliea Star.

There's always one, but today it was a stupid one that should never have been in the

selections post in the first place ... :P :'( :-[ >

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what took you so long? :P

on the Puntersparadise board someone says something to you there about your
board..they probably mean this one?

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Posted by Corky

Hi Maria,
Posted reply on your laying site.

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Ah, I see ... yes. "Corky" there is "Caraman" here ... I'm sure he means this site.

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Fourth Day ... Wednesday 22nd February ...

Sorry, couldn't come up with many selections to lay today ... ;D

Kingfisher Sunset 1.50 Southwell ...


Jug of Punch 2.00 Ludlow ...
Code of Rules 2.15 Punchestown ...
Henry's Pride 2.20 Southwell ...
Tribal Dancer 2.30 Ludlow ...
Quizzling 2.30 Ludlow ...
Garstang 2.40 Lingfield ...
Fools Rush In 2.45 Punchestown ...
Slick 3.00 Ludlow ...
Olivino 3.10 Lingfield ...
Amarula Ridge 3.30 Ludlow ...
Casablanca Minx 3.40 Lingfield ...
Sundeck 3.45 Punchestown ...
Vocative 3.50 Southwell ...
Scotty's Future 4.10 Lingfield ...
Calusa Charlie 4.20 Southwell ...
So Chic 4.50 Southwell ...

Good luck! ... 8)

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Hi Maria

nearly a good day. Quizzing 10.50 and Jug of punch 9.20 aside.

I'm a bit like EC- don't like them longies to much they've got a nasty habit of sneaking
up and biting you.

keep plugging away

all the best

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Hi Dickie,

Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly

nearly a good day. Quizzing 10.50 and Jug of punch 9.20 aside.

Exactly ... :-\

"Nearly" is right. I'm close to you with Jug Of Punch but 10.5 on Quizzling was
unlucky, with an SP of 7/1. I suspect you were matched much later than me on this
one? I had laid to 8.4 before posting (could just as easily have been the other way
round, obviously). I confess I had a sort of "sinking feeling of recognition" about
Quizzling and had felt less than confident about that whole race, to be honest; but Jug

Of Punch was a very nasty shock indeed, and totally unforeseen ... >

Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly

I'm a bit like EC

Don't worry about it: nobody's perfect ... ;D

Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly

don't like them longies to much

I know that some pro-layers make their living from them exclusively, and I actually
have one not fifteen yards from me as I type this, so I won't be too rude about them
... :-X

Quote:

Originally Posted by DickieDaly

they've got a nasty habit of sneaking up and biting you.

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I have enough problems without horsebites, thank you ...

So ... Results Update: day 144 ...

Kingfisher Sunset 1.50 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D


Jug of Punch 2.00 Ludlow ... 9/1, 8.8, £26.54 :'(
Code of Rules 2.15 Punchestown ... 11/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D
Henry's Pride 2.20 Southwell ... 13/8, 3.0, £66.36 ;D
Tribal Dancer 2.30 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.5, £39.81 ;D
Quizzling 2.30 Ludlow ... 7/1, 8.4, £26.54 :'(
Garstang 2.40 Lingfield ... 11/2, 5.5, £39.81 ;D
Fools Rush In 2.45 Punchestown ... non-runner
Slick 3.00 Ludlow ... 10/1, 10.5, £26.54 ;D
Olivino 3.10 Lingfield ... 7/2, 5.8, £39.81 ;D
Amarula Ridge 3.30 Ludlow ... 6/4, 2.86, £66.36 ;D
Casablanca Minx 3.40 Lingfield ... 8/1, 7.4, £39.81 ;D
Sundeck 3.45 Punchestown ... 13/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D
Vocative 3.50 Southwell ... 11/1, 11.0, £26.54 ;D
Scotty's Future 4.10 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £26.54 ;D
Calusa Charlie 4.20 Southwell ... 15/2, 7.4, £39.81 ;D
So Chic 4.50 Southwell ... 5/1, 7.4, £39.81 ;D

Comments:
For anyone interested, and because I occasionally get asked about this, and because it
came up today, Betfair commissions are charged on an "event", not on a runner. To
clarify what this means: in the 2.30 at Ludlow today, for instance, I took a backer's
stake of £39.81 on Tribal Dancer and lost £196.40 on Quizzling in the same race. You
don't pay any commission on that because the net result was a loss of £156.59 on
the "event" ... ???

Still, when I'm working out the results and displaying them here, I deduct 5% from
the return of £39.81, just like I would have to if it had been the only horse I'd laid in

the race ... :

This means that my results are, strictly speaking, not absolutely accurate. Specifically,
whenever I've laid more than one horse in a race, and one of them has won the race,
I'm deducting a bit of commission I shouldn't be deducting. Someone who sometimes
puts all my results into his own "Betfair spreadsheet" has pointed this anomaly out to
me, so I mention it here in case anyone was wondering about it. The reality in such
cases will always be a pound or two better than I've actually indicated. Sue me ... :-*

(It's slightly artificial how I declare the results here anyway, to be honest, because I
always deduct 5% from the winners, but obviously if your turnover is the same as
what's shown in this thread your true commission level will be lower than that).

And to answer the other question people often send by PM about the way I "keep
score", a non-runner doesn't count towards my strike-rate. So today, for example,
there were 17 in the selections post, but Fools Rush In didn't actually get out of bed
today (and who can blame him?) so the strike-rate was 14/16, and the totals at the

end are all calculated accordingly. It works for me, anyway ...

Last little point: this month's strike-rate is just a tiny fraction under 86%, hence the

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current healthy balance, but please don't expect this to last. Statistically, there is
almost no chance of that happening, I'm afraid. We will end the year as we began,
with a strike-rate in-between 83% and 84% ... just so I don't mislead anyone ... 8)

Meanwhile, today's takings were £542.09 (that's £570.63 after deduction of 5%


commission), but the two nasty losses came to £403.31, bringing today's profit
crashing all the way down to £138.68 ... :-X

Still, the bank has actually reached a new high at £6774.89, and that means new,
marginally increased stakes for tomorrow, which will be £67.74, £40.64 and £27.09

...*

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £138.68
Tomorrow's bank: £6774.89
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £67.74, £40.64 and £27.09

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.09%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 22.15%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 125.83%

Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 16 selections = 87.5%


February strike-rate: 171 wins from 199 selections = 85.93%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1105 wins from 1323 selections = 83.52%

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Fifth Day ... Thursday 23rd February ...

I think I'm right in saying that there have never before been so many dangerous
shorties in one day as there are today ... :-[

There's absolutely no reason for this at all: it's just the way the system selections

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turned out today ... :

This will bring the month's strike-rate down a bit! ... :P

Anyway, I'm laying these ...

Auenmoon 1.50 Haydock ...


Cashbar 2.00 Huntingdon ...
Vicario 2.20 Haydock ...
Master Sebastien 2.20 Haydock ...
Pseudonym 2.30 Huntingdon ...
Shifty Night 2.40 Southwell ...
Patriarch Express 2.50 Haydock ...
Sh Boom 2.50 Haydock ...
Crossbow Creek 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Romil Star 3.10 Southwell ...
Moulin Riche 3.20 Haydock ...
Wain Mountain 3.20 Haydock ...
Tempsford 3.55 Haydock ...
Special Conquest 4.05 Huntingdon ...
The Butterwick Kid 5.00 Haydock ...
Don't Ask Me 5.10 Huntingdon ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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I've backed El Correador in the last..hope you get the clean sweep 8)

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Well done Maria

Absolutely brilliant

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Results Update: day 145 ...

Auenmoon 1.50 Haydock ... 10/1, 10.5, £27.09 ;D


Cashbar 2.00 Huntingdon ... 15/2, 7.4, £40.64 ;D
Vicario 2.20 Haydock ... 9/2, 5.7, £40.64 ;D
Master Sebastien 2.20 Haydock ... 8/1, 9.8, £27.09 ;D
Pseudonym 2.30 Huntingdon ... 11/2, 6.8, £40.64 ;D
Shifty Night 2.40 Southwell ... 9/1, 11.0, £27.09 ;D
Patriarch Express 2.50 Haydock ... 11/4, 3.4, £67.74 ;D
Sh Boom 2.50 Haydock ... 7/1, 9.4, £27.09 ;D
Crossbow Creek 3.00 Huntingdon ... 11/4, 3.2, £67.74 ;D
Romil Star 3.10 Southwell ... 6/4, 2.92, £67.74 ;D
Moulin Riche 3.20 Haydock ... 2/1, 3.4, £67.74 ;D
Wain Mountain 3.20 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D
Tempsford 3.55 Haydock ... 10/1, 9.8, £27.09 ;D
Special Conquest 4.05 Huntingdon ... 9/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D
The Butterwick Kid 5.00 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D
Don't Ask Me 5.10 Huntingdon ... 6/1, 7.4, £40.64 ;D

Comments:

Ooooh, I can hardly believe how lucky we were today ...

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For anyone watching or looking for laying selections; don't expect it to be like this
every day, because there are very many losing days and the occasional losing month

as well ...

Today's net takings were £656.34, which is £690.89 less 5% commission - no losses
...

So the bank has reached a new high (doesn't mean it will stay there) at £7431.23 ...

And that means new stakes for tomorrow, which are £74.31, £44.58 and £29.72 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £656.34
Tomorrow's bank: £7431.23
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £74.31, £44.58 and £29.72

Bank increase/(loss) today: 9.69%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 33.98%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 14.47%

Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 16 selections = 100% ;D

February strike-rate: 187 wins from 215 selections = 86.97%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1121 wins from 1339 selections = 83.72% 8)

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unbelievable thread maria

no wonder people are copying it !

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top stuff ;D
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ps JM not a great elvis fan but love IN THE GHETTO my fav elvis track

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yep i know you been there lol

Rare clip !

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;D
still am
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Good work

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Nice touch, Maria! Exellent stuff!

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Sixth Day ... Friday 24th February ...

Not so many today, I'm afraid ... :-\

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Red Square Lad 2.15 Warwick ...
Archidona 2.25 Wolverhampton ...
Slew Charm 2.50 Warwick ...
Tamagin 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Lunar Crystal 3.45 Sandown ...
Alpaga Le Jomage 4.10 Wolverhampton ...
Alfasonic 4.30 Warwick ...
Kings Rock 4.30 Warwick ...
Sir Brastias 4.55 Sandown ...
Itcanbedone Again 5.45 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck!

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looks another good day to me..farnborough wins the last so you have no worries
about yours winning :-*

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you would have layed all "on pace" horses there until they came out your ears :P

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Itcanbedone Again

good name to get second strait day's clean sweep and

What with Danse Macabre winning to a very nice day all round

good luck tomorrow

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Thanks very much, Dickie ... looks like somehow I got away with it again today (that's

how it feels, anyway) ... and you too, for tomorrow, of course ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by EC

you would have layed all "on pace" horses there until they came out your ears :P

To be honest, I'm just very relieved that Jakarmi crept in for 3rd there, because I had
a really big e/w bet, taken this morning at a good price, but was distinctly nervous

about it! ... :

So ... results update, day 146 ...

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Red Square Lad 2.15 Warwick ... 8/1, 10.5, £29.72 ;D
Archidona 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 14/1!!, 11.0, £29.72 ;D
Slew Charm 2.50 Warwick ... 11/4, 4.5, £44.58 ;D
Tamagin 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 7.4, £44.58 ;D
Lunar Crystal 3.45 Sandown ... 9/2, 7.4, £44.58 ;D
Alpaga Le Jomage 4.10 Wolverhampton ... 15/2, 6.8, £44.58 ;D
Alfasonic 4.30 Warwick ... 11/8, 2.62, £74.31 ;D
Kings Rock 4.30 Warwick ... 8/1, 10.5, £29.72 ;D
Sir Brastias 4.55 Sandown ... 6/1, 7.4, £44.58 ;D
Itcanbedone Again 5.45 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 6.8, £44.58 ;D

Comments:
Today's net takings were £409.40, which is £430.95 less 5% commission - no losses

...

So the bank has reached a new high at £7840.63 ...

And that means new stakes for tomorrow, which are £78.40, £47.04 and £31.36 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £409.40
Tomorrow's bank: £7840.63
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £78.40, £47.04 and £31.36

Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.51%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 41.36%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 161.35%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 10 selections = 100% ;D

February strike-rate: 197 wins from 225 selections = 87.56%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1131 wins from 1349 selections = 83.84% 8)

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Another clean sweep! Very nice, Maria and well done!

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Well done.

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Hi Maria.

Firstly i would like to say well done over the past 2 days with the clean sweeps one
word Amazing.

Could you tell me please, the staking that you do is the stake your liabillity or the
backers, i would look through your thred but its to earlly in the morning and got work.

I have been toying with the idea of starting to lay and thought it would be better to
go/ tred very carrfully to start.

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Hi derbypub,

Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by derbypub

Could you tell me please, the staking that you do is the stake your liabillity or the
backers, i would look through your thred but its to earlly in the morning and got
work.

It's not "fixed liability" or "fixed stake", to be honest; it's a blend of the two. I
understand entirely about it being too early in the morning (it usually is, for me).
Later in the day, though, the answer's in the very first couple of posts of the thread
where the staking's all explained. In my results posts, the figure shown for each horse
after the SP is the backer's stake to which I've laid, and it's sort of a variety of
different fixed stakes within bands, or something like that ... ???

Quote:

Originally Posted by derbypub

I have been toying with the idea of starting to lay and thought it would be better to
go/ tred very carrfully to start.

I think everyone would agree with that. I'd honestly recommend fixed liability
("smoother curve") rather than fixed stake ("swingy results") as a rule of thumb.
Depending on the average sort of price to which you're laying, if you start off laying to
a fixed liability of 2%, 3% or 4% of your bank, you'll be very unlucky to get killed

...

So ... The Hundred-And-Forty-Seventh Day ... Saturday 25th February ...

Not quite as many as we'd hope for on a busy Saturday, perhaps (and that's not
helped by the fact that I have none from Fairyhouse today) ... :-[

Stagecoach Diamond 1.50 Newcastle ...


Moayed 2.35 Lingfield ...
Mythical King 2.40 Chepstow ...
Don't Call Me Derek 3.00 Newcastle ...
Kittenkat 3.15 Chepstow ...
Fork Lightning 3.20 Sandown ...
Polygonal 3.40 Lingfield ...
Corals Laurel 3.50 Chepstow ...
Kallistas Pride 4.10 Ling ...
Cloudmor 4.35 Newcastle ...

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Portland Bill 4.55 Chepstow ...
Summer charm 5.15 Lingfield ...
Stage Manager 5.15 Lingfield ...

Good luck today! ;D

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Thanks for taking the time to post and the explanation Maria, much appreciated..
good luck with the rest of your selections. ;D

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Results update, day 147 ...

Stagecoach Diamond 1.50 Newcastle ... 6/1, 6.8, £47.04 ;D


Moayed 2.35 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D
Mythical King 2.40 Chepstow ... 15/2, 7.4, £47.04 ;D
Don't Call Me Derek 3.00 Newcastle ... 7/2, 3.15, £78.40 ;D
Kittenkat 3.15 Chepstow ... 9/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D
Fork Lightning 3.20 Sandown ... 7/1, 7.4, £47.04 ;D
Polygonal 3.40 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D
Corals Laurel 3.50 Chepstow ... 4/1, 7.4, £47.04 ;D
Kallistas Pride 4.10 Ling ... 9/2, 6.0, £47.04 ;D
Cloudmor 4.35 Newcastle ... 3/1, 4.5, £47.04 ;D
Portland Bill 4.55 Chepstow ... 7/1, 11.0, £31.36 ;D
Summer charm 5.15 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.5, £31.36 ;D
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Stage Manager 5.15 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.0, £47.04 ;D

Comments:
I know that a couple of the prices I laid to look pretty embarrassing (like Portland Bill
and Corals Laurel) but I just took very early prices on the lot today because I had

shopping to do ... it's a girl thing ... :-[

Today's net takings were £536.25, which is £564.48 less 5% commission - no losses

...

So the bank has reached a new high at £8376.88 ...

And that means new stakes for tomorrow, which are £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50 ...

Don't forget that this is just a "good run" and that the "bad runs" can be
every bit as bad as this is good; and there's no way to tell when they're

coming up! ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £536.25
Tomorrow's bank: £8376.88
Tomorrow's new backers' stakes: £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50

Bank increase/(loss) today: 6.84%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 51.03%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 179.23%

Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 13 selections = 100% ;D

February strike-rate: 210 wins from 238 selections = 88.24%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1144 wins from 1362 selections = 83.99% 8)

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Quote:

Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 13 selections = 100%

Wow! - can't ask for more than that - congratulations!

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Oh Noooooooooooooo, not another clean sweep! When will it ever stop? Hopefully not
in the next 6 month! ;D

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maria,

start looking for that car

not that you need it , but good luck for next week

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GOD I'M MORE DEPRESSED THAN EVER PICKING LOSERS BUT WINNING
WISH I WAS 21 AGAIN
DONT FORGET MARIA IF YOU ARE IN THE GOLF COMP YOU MUST PICK WINNERS NOT
LOSERS
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;D

Well done again maria, had a little bit of your last 4 thanks.

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Oooh, thank you! ... :-*

The Hundred-And-Forty-Eighth Day ... Sunday 26th February ...

Some real shorties today, and really not expecting to get through the day without a

winner ... :-\ ... anyway, I'm laying these ten ...

Grasp 2.10 Fontwell ...


St Ivian 2.30 Southwell ...
Amanpuri 3.40 Fontwell ...
Bill Bennett 3.00 Southwell ...
To Be Fare 3.00 Southwell ...
Kumakawa 4.00 Southwell ...
Sweet Cherokee 4.30 Southwell ...
Tinvane Rose 4.40 Fontwell ...
Mister Aziz 5.00 Southwell ...
Straffan 5.00 Southwell ...

Good luck today! ;D

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think Grasp is a decent fav Maria

Kanpai looks exposed


Bayazid..disappointing FTO..poor NH sire..blinkers won't help

you will need an outsider possibly to beat GRASP..unlikely with a RPR of 132..the one
that beat it LTO is a decent tool in the context of todays race

good luck..i definately need it :-*

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You're right ... :-[

Oh well, my run had to come to an end somewhere and at least it was easy to lay at
evens (still cost me £83.76 at 1% of bank, mind you) ... :-\

I was thinking Kanpai, to be honest: I never had any real hope for Bayazid ... ???

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My view is that Kanpai is a bit of a non stayer under todays conditions..looked


exposed as well

your stakes are getting big now

these short ones are a bugger

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Maria

This might be a stoopid question and if so I apologise in advance but do you have a fix
on the respective profitability of each of your three ranges of laying? I guess where
I'm coming from is that my nervous twitch kicks in when I lay at 5-1+ but I don't
want to miss out on the higher odds selections if you know that is where the profit
tends to come from. Thanks.

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Beaky

This might be a stoopid question and if so I apologise in advance but do you have a
fix on the respective profitability of each of your three ranges of laying? I guess
where I'm coming from is that my nervous twitch kicks in when I lay at 5-1+ but I
don't want to miss out on the higher odds selections if you know that is where the
profit tends to come from.

Hi Beaky - welcome to EBA (I always feel a bit silly saying that because half the
people I say it to have probably been here as long as I have but just more quietly!) ...
:-[

It's a highly pertinent and relevant question ... 8)

Personally, my nervous twitch kicks in when laying at less than 5/1! Partly because I
know that professional layers make their living above that figure, and partly because
of my own results (and partly because I sometimes like to try to wind up my friend EC
too, when the opportunity suddenly presents itself! :-*) ... so, to answer your
question: I ought to have figures to prove what I'm about to say, and if I were a
really computer literate girl equipped with spreadsheets and stuff I would have, but
the truth is that although I can't conveniently prove it, I do much better above 5/1

than below ...

I wouldn't even be astonished if all the ones below that price don't make much profit

at all ... >

I'm going to run this laying system as it is for a complete year, give or take a day or
two (that's until the end of August) hoping to get it up to £12,000 by then, but I'm
already very, very slowly researching (from thousands of results) my next laying
venture, and I'm already pretty certain that it will involve laying from about 4/1 (or
maybe 5/1) up to about 14/1 (or maybe 15/1) ... this is partly because I don't have
the race-reading skills (like EC does) to mess about with shorties, and partly because
all the time I've been betting this system for real, I've also been "paper-trading" all
the system's many selections between 11.0 and 15.5 (and betting on them quite often
out of a different bank and in a slightly different way, to be honest), and they're

better ...

So ... results update for day 148 ("the day the wheel came off") ...

Grasp 2.10 Fontwell ... evens, 2.0, £83.76 :'(


St Ivian 2.30 Southwell ... 5/1, 6.8, £50.26 ;D
Amanpuri 3.40 Fontwell ... 9/4, 3.75, £50.26 :'(
Bill Bennett 3.00 Southwell ... 9/1, 8.6, £33.50 ;D
To Be Fare 3.00 Southwell ... 3/1, 4.8, £50.26 ;D
Kumakawa 4.00 Southwell ... 9/1, 10.5, £33.50 ;D
Sweet Cherokee 4.30 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £50.26 ;D
Tinvane Rose 4.40 Fontwell ... 15/2, 9.6, £33.50 ;D
Mister Aziz 5.00 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.5, £33.50 ;D
Straffan 5.00 Southwell ... 7/1, 8.4, £33.50 :'(

Comments:

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Today's takings were only £270.54 (that's £284.78 less 5% commission), but the
three losses added up to a massive £469.88, leaving a net loss on the day of £199.34
...

So the bank has slipped back to £8177.54, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£199.34)
Tomorrow's bank: £8177.54
Tomorrow's stakes: £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50

Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.38%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 47.44%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 172.58%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 10 selections = 70% :P


February strike-rate: 217 wins from 248 selections = 87.5%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1151 wins from 1372 selections = 83.89%

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I'm not sure about pro's only laying above that price..not that i know any though.

I think you have to lay at what your edge allows..mine isn't allowing me to make a
profit with below 2/1..I really do not see..apart from knowing a horse is going to
lose..that there are enough form reading factors to be able to score in this area. The
odds are so representative of chance that actually beating the odds laying is very
demanding. I won't give up with it but I'm certainly thinking that the 3/1-5/1 zone is
probably where my comfort zone would be..time will tell.

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Hi Maria and EC

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to make such comprehensive replies. I'm still
in the zone of trying to find that edge. I've been concentrating on fairly short-priced
horses I think are a false short price because of e.g. over-hype on the trainer, jockey
or whatever. Most days, by a thorough study of the form, I can find three or four in
the 2/1 - 5/1 range I believe are too short but need all of them to win (or lose rather).
I need to get only one wrong (or have mine left on its own when the three ahead of it
fall at the last) and that's the day's profit gone. Get two wrong and it's a bit of a kick
in the proverbials. I can cope with that at up to 5/1 but two or three of those at bigger
prices would have me reaching for the valium.

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you have summed it up nicely Beaky

I am finding myself searching for weak favourites..but then looking at finding a winner
in those races rather than laying the fav..I've gone full circle.

The alternative is this..let the lay come to you..basically peruse the form..if nothing
OBVIOUS stands out after going through the cards pretty swiftly then do not lay
anything. It sounds simple but it is so easy to make a lay just out of the need to have
a bet.

Basically a patient approach and hit maybe 5 or 6 lays a week..maybe less. If you
work on a months..say 15/20 really solid..obvious on first look..cast iron buggers.

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I'm seriously considering this.

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EC

Yep agree. As my grandad said to me on his deathbed, 'Never ever forget the huge
advantage we have over bookies. They have to get involved in every race. We don't'.

Beaky

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The Hundred-And-Forty-Ninth Day ... Monday 27th February ...

Not so many again today; I'm laying these ...

Everest 1.55 Wolverhampton ...


Chart Oak 2.25 Wolverhampton ...
Dance Party 2.35 Ayr ...
Jexel 2.35 Ayr ...
White On Black 2.45 Plumpton ...
Briars Mist 3.40 Ayr ...
Pennys Crown 3.50 Plumpton ...
Desperation 4.35 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results update for day 149 ...

Everest 1.55 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 8.6, £33.50 ;D


Chart Oak 2.25 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 9.6, £33.50 ;D
Dance Party 2.35 Ayr ... 6/1, 6.8, £50.26 ;D
Jexel 2.35 Ayr ... 10/1, 9.2, £33.50 ;D
White On Black 2.45 Plumpton ... 8/1, 8.0, £33.50 :'(
Briars Mist 3.40 Ayr ... 7/1, 7.4, £50.26 ;D
Pennys Crown 3.50 Plumpton ... 17/2, 7.4, £50.26 ;D
Desperation 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.75, £50.26 :'(

Comments:
McCoy is not at the best of times my favourite man in the world, it must be said ... :P

Another losing day, today ... >

Today's takings were only £238.71 (that's £251.28 less 5% commission), but the two
losses added up to £326.63, leaving a net loss on the day of £87.92 ...

So the bank has slipped back to £8089.62, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: (£87.92)
Tomorrow's bank: £8089.62
Tomorrow's stakes: £83.76, £50.26 and £33.50

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.07%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 45.85%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 169.65%

Today's strike-rate: 6 wins from 8 selections = 75% :P


February strike-rate: 223 wins from 256 selections = 87.11%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1157 wins from 1380 selections = 83.84%

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phew

Have you seen Corky's thread on Puntersparadise Maria?

you think you had a bad day

I'd be totally gutted,,,and I've had some bad uns recently

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Yes your right, I had absolute grim day, that what you get if you rush things and don't
do your homework, really should have known with Osbornes horse first time out but
didn't think about till the race was going off and said to myself this was the one to be
on but still didn't back it.
Just one of those days, fortunately dutched the last three races of the day and got
three winners so recovered somewhat. Still nice to see Maria powering on and was a
bit surprised to see Desperation win as it was tipped as lay by others.
Myself I am still trying a few different ways to select, so hopefully arrive at something
profitable.

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Eeeewwwwww ... very very unlucky yesterday for sure, can happen, though. I
was very lucky and saw Benji Thingy tipped here strongly by a certain member whose
opinions are not generally rubbish and I was lucky to have heard of Sir Douglas the
week before from a friend of Jamie ... but of course it can just as easily be the other
way round and nobody is immune from such accidents ... :-[ :-X

Wish you very good luck today Corky ... I am on a losing run myself here so let's hope
we all win it back today ... ;D

So ... today is my Hundred-And-Fiftieth Day of laying here (and I might get up soon)
...

Not so many left for me today, with Catterick abandoned from the frost, but I am
laying these, anyway ...

Franky N Johnny 1.30 Lingfield ...


Youralittlemiller 1.30 Lingfield ...
Scroll 2.00 Lingfield ...
Hawk's Landing 2.50 Leicester ... (I think it's a sort of wine? I may be blonde but even
I know that a bottle of wine cannot win a handicap chase at Leicester even with the
help of McCoy ...)
Predestine 3.50 Leicester ...
Attitude Annie 4.00 Lingfield ...
Bravura 5.00 Lingfield ...

Good luck!

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Good luck to you Maria, would have had Scroll as lay of the day as they said always
the bridesmaid. Not a great McCoy fan until over the last fence as seems to get
caught out as he pushes but for the run in non better to get a horse up.
Was really annoyed with myself on Sir Douglas but fortunately didn't actually lay it
with cash so saved a bit of an embarrassment, and saved embarrassment here with
the spell check on that word.
Best of luck today, even though you are well ahead.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by caraman

Not a great McCoy fan

Nor me, and this is to put it mildly ... :P

His customary place in this thread is to be in the wrong. He is always my real bête
noire with laying: if he is riding them, he wins on them; if he is riding another in the
race he apparently contrives somehow to lose with them (as with yesterday's 2/5

favourite) ...

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Results update for day 150 ...

Franky N Johnny 1.30 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.5, £50.26 ;D


Youralittlemiller 1.30 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £33.50 ;D
Scroll 2.00 Lingfield ... 10/3, 44, £50.26 ;D
Hawk's Landing 2.50 Leicester ... 5/1, 7.4, £50.26 ;D
Predestine 3.50 Leicester ... 10/3, 5.7, £50.26 ;D
Attitude Annie 4.00 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.4, £50.26 ;D
Bravura 5.00 Lingfield ... 12/1, 11.0, £33.50 ;D

Comments:

Today's takings: £302.38 (that's £318.30 less 5% commission); no losses ...

So, after two consecutive losing days, the bank has now reached a new high at
£8392.00, and that means new, fractionally increased stakes for tomorrow, which will
be £83.92, £50.35 and £33.56 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £5546.52
Profit/(loss) today: £302.38
Tomorrow's bank: £8392.00
Tomorrow's stakes: £83.92, £50.35 and £33.56

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.74%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 51.3%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 179.73%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% ;D


February strike-rate: 230 wins from 263 selections = 87.45%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1163 wins from 1387 selections = 83.85%

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Round-up of the month - February ... 8)

The main thing is that we were very, very, very lucky ...

My pretty confident predictions are that when we reach the end of the year (August),
February will turn out to have been the best-performing month for no particular
reason at all, and that it will have had the highest strike-rate overall, and that the
overall strike-rate for the year will end up being between 83% and 84% anyway,
which is what it's always been overall with this system ... :-\

There are seasonal fluctuations with this system, but the number of selections in
March might be about the same as for February, or possibly a few more because we
might avoid most of the "abandoned meetings" now ... ???

April will be quieter, with a smaller number of selections ...

From May 1st to August 31st will be the busiest 4 months of the year for this system,

with more selections than at other times ...

Meanwhile I wish everyone good luck and successful backing and laying for the month
of March ...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maria

Results update for day 149 ...


Desperation 4.35 Wolverhampton ... 3/1, 3.75, £33.50 :'(

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Hi Maria, was that a Freudian Slip?

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Hi Maria, was that a Freudian Slip?

No, a Freudian slip is one of those garments which attracts attention to what it
conceals, I think ... ???

Just a typo, which I've amended now; and thanks for finding it ...

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Wednesday 1st March ... hardly any racing left today, so it's not really worth getting

out of bed! ...

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Depends who is laying next to you Maria! (pardon the pun!)

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Thursday 2nd ... two jumps meetings abandoned again (I swear it's warmer even in
Daugavpils than it is in Taunton or Ludlow), so it looks like another day curled up with

the nice fluffy reindeer ...

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are there any selections today ?? thanks the nutter

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Coming up, Mr. Nutter ... suppose I have to start work again even with Southwell

abandoned ...

The Hundred-And-Fifty-First Day ... Friday 3rd March ...

And we seem to have a slightly strange mixture of shorties and stinkers today ... ???

I'm laying these ...

River City 1.50 Wolverhampton ...


Gibbs Camp 1.50 Wolverhampton ...
Daraybad 2.00 Newbury ...
Parkview Love 2.20 Wolverhampton ...
Gilded Cove 3.30 Wolverhampton ...
Shining Strand 3.40 Newbury ...
Quid Pro Quo 3.40 Newbury ...
The Outlier 3.40 Newbury ...
Little Richard 4.05 Wolverhampton ...
Screenplay 4.15 Newbury ...
Christy Beamish 4.45 Newbury ...

Good luck! ;D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maria


Quote:

Originally Posted by MayoMan

Hi Maria, was that a Freudian Slip?

No, a Freudian slip is one of those garments which attracts attention to what it
conceals, I think ... ???

Just a typo, which I've amended now; and thanks for finding it ...

Don't you need to reflect this in the loss as well? :-*

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Quote:

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Don't you need to reflect this in the loss as well? :-*

In a word, "bugger" ... :P

I thought I didn't need to because it was only a typo and the arithmetic was right

anyway, but it turns out not, Hawkeye ... :

So I ought to reflect it in the results, I suppose, Peter, but there have been another 2
days since then and the stakes for them should apparently have been a fraction
different, so it would really be cheating to go back and change it all now. Sorry about
this little slip - fortunately the amount of money involved is very tiny - at the time, it
was actually £46.09, which was 2.75 x (£50.26 - £33.50) - so I'm going to resolve it

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by taking a notional £60 off the bank after scoring up today and before continuing
tomorrow ... I might be "over-penalising" my bank by a few pounds, but it's near
enough, and however I try to resolve it now, it's not going to be perfect ... :-[

The reason a little slip like this can get through is that the profits shown in the results
posts every day are actually a bit smaller than the reality of my laying account,
because I always deduct commission at 5% but pay it myself at 3%, so the numbers
never tally anyway and I've got no "accurate record" to check it against ... :-[ :-[

So ... Results Update: day 151 ...

River City 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.4, £33.56 ;D


Gibbs Camp 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 2/1, 3.35, £83.92 ;D
Daraybad 2.00 Newbury ... 8/1, 10.0, £33.56 ;D
Parkview Love 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 10.5, £33.56 ;D
Gilded Cove 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £50.35 ;D
Shining Strand 3.40 Newbury ... 4/1, 4.8, £50.35 ;D
Quid Pro Quo 3.40 Newbury ... 9/1, 11.0, £33.56 ;D
The Outlier 3.40 Newbury ... 9/1, 10.0, £33.56 ;D
Little Richard 4.05 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 6.2, £50.35 ;D
Screenplay 4.15 Newbury ... 8/1, 11.0, £33.56 ;D
Christy Beamish 4.45 Newbury ... 6/1, 3.6, £33.56 :'(

Comments:
... and I thought I was going to lay the last one at 3.4, getting £83.92 for it or trying
to; but fortunately (as it turned out) only the princely sum of £6 was transacted under
3.5. The main thing was to have laid Gibbs Camp an hour before EC and at a much
better price. Made absolutely no difference whatsoever to the result of course (as it

lost anyway), but it's the principle, you understand ...

Today's takings: £414.51 (that's £436.33 less 5% commission); but a loss of £130.91
brings that down to £283.60 ...

So, you would think that the bank would have reached a new high of £8675.60, but it
is not to be, because I'm going to take £60 off that to make up for a little slip a few
days ago (see explanation above) and call it £8615.60 instead ... ???

But that still means new stakes for tomorrow, which will be £86.15, £51.69 and
£34.46 ...

And, to balance the books, in the results below I'm showing today's net profit as only

£223.60 instead of £283.60 ... :

Confused? You will be ... :-* Pass the aspirin, Divna ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £223.60
Tomorrow's bank: £8615.60
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

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Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.66%
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 2.66%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 187.19%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91%


March strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1173 wins from 1398 selections = 83.91%

Hoping for loads more snow and then I can go back to having another couple of days

off ...

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Twoth Day ... Saturday 4th March ...

It's still too cold to think straight but I'm laying these ...

Rose Bien 1.20 Lingfield ...


Tapa 1.30 Wolverhampton ...
Cool Sands 1.50 Lingfield ...
Hadath 1.50 Lingfield ...
Mighty Kitchener 3.10 Wolverhampton ...
Claymore 3.15 Newbury ...
Tokala 3.45 Newbury ...
Shannon Springs 4.20 Newbury ...
Madrasee 4.35 Lingfield ...
Sweetest Revenge 4.50 Wolverhampton ...
Tickford Abbey 5.10 Lingfield ...

Good luck today! 8)

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No problem, Maria, keep up the superb work!

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Results Update: day 152 ...

Rose Bien 1.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D


Tapa 1.30 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.6, £34.46 ;D
Cool Sands 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.4, £34.46 :'(
Hadath 1.50 Lingfield ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Mighty Kitchener 3.10 Wolverhampton ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Claymore 3.15 Newbury ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D
Tokala 3.45 Newbury ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Shannon Springs 4.20 Newbury ... 5/1, 6.8, £51.69 ;D
Madrasee 4.35 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Sweetest Revenge 4.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 8.4, £34.46 :'(
Tickford Abbey 5.10 Lingfield ... 4/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D

Comments:

Just a bad day ...

I really did think the 1.50 race was particularly unlucky, but then that's racing and
there have probably been just as many times I've been particularly lucky ... it just

somehow never feels like it at the time ...

Today's takings: £376.47 (that's £396.29 less 5% commission); but the two losses

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add up to £510 which means a net loss of £133.53 today ...

So the bank has slipped back to £8542.07 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £133.53
Tomorrow's bank: £8542.07
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.55%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 1.79%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 184.74%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82%


March strike-rate: 19 wins from 22 selections = 86.36%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1182 wins from 1409 selections = 83.89%

Would have been better off staying in bed today ... :-[

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Sunday - only Leopardstown and Clonmel today, so I'll give it a miss (rather than a
politically correct "ms", I think) ... ???

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Hi Maria, you are still doing 2 steps forward and only 1 step backwards every so often.
You are still doing very nicely. No need to feel despondent.

Wolf

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Thank you, Wolf ... :-*

The Hundred-And-Fifty-Third Day ... Monday 6th March ...

No real shorties today (Welsh Dragon looks probably the shortest of these at around
7/2 maybe?) ... but I'm laying these ...

Abaconian 2.30 Lingfield ...


After Lent 2.40 Hereford ...
Dictator 2.50 Wolverhampton ...
Malibu 3.00 Lingfield ...
Playmaster 3.20 Wolverhampton ...
Scamperdale 3.20 Wolverhampton ...
Giovanna 3.40 Hereford ...
Million Percent 4.20 Wolverhampton ...
Welsh Dragon 4.30 Lingfield ...
Nailed On 5.10 Hereford ...

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Results Update: day 153 ...

Abaconian 2.30 Lingfield ... 9/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D


After Lent 2.40 Hereford ... 7/2, 5.4, £51.69 ;D
Dictator 2.50 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £34.46 ;D
Malibu 3.00 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D
Play Master 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 8.4, £34.46 :'(
Scamperdale 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Giovanna 3.40 Hereford ... 10/1, 9.8, £34.46 ;D
Million Percent 4.20 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Welsh Dragon 4.30 Lingfield ... 9/4, 3.7, £51.69 :'(
Nailed On 5.10 Hereford ... 9/2, 6.6, £51.69 ;D

Comments:

Pretty bad today, but to be honest about it, I was lucky to lose only £67 ...

Today's takings: £327.37 (that's £344.60 less 5% commission); but the two losses

add up to £394.58 which means a net loss of £67.21 today ...

So the bank has slipped back to £8474.86 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£67.21)
Tomorrow's bank: £8474.86
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.79%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 0.99%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 182.5%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 10 selections = 80%


March strike-rate: 27 wins from 32 selections = 84.38%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1190 wins from 1419 selections = 83.86%

Would have been better off staying in bed again today, too ... :-[

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Considering Welsh Dragon actually finished 2nd Maria, I think you were unfortunate
today.

Tough luck

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Thanks Beamer ... I know what you mean, of course. I certainly wouldn't have been

pleased to have backed the other horse at 14/1 and not been paid out! ... >

I suppose in the long run the luck all evens out and you're left with your "edge" which
you just have to try to exert as often as possible ... :-\

So, the Hundred-And-Fifty-Fourth Day ... Tuesday 7th March ... and with Newcastle
abandoned, there isn't all that much left today ... still, I'm laying these ...

Chater Knight 2.40 Southwell ...


Doctor Dennis 3.10 Southwell ...
Mossmann Gorge 3.40 Southwell ...
Count The Trees 3.40 Southwell ...

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Noble Edge 3.40 Southwell ...
Kylkenny 4.10 Southwell ...
Visibility 4.50 Exeter ...
Zorn 5.10 Southwell ...

Good/bad luck to these! ;D

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Results Update: day 154 ...

Chater Knight 2.40 Southwell ... 3/1, 4.1, £51.69 ;D


Doctor Dennis 3.10 Southwell ... 6/1, 5.6, £51.69 ;D
Mossmann Gorge 3.40 Southwell ... 2/1, 3.8, £51.69 :'(
Count The Trees 3.40 Southwell ... 12/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Noble Edge 3.40 Southwell ... 11/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Kylkenny 4.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 5.6, £51.69 :'(
Visibility 4.50 Exeter ... 5/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Zorn 5.10 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.6, £51.69 :'(

Comments:

Disaster City ...

One of the worst days for a very long time: today's losses add up to £620.30 (I know:
I paid them) and even deducting the takings of £212.79 (£223.99 less 5%

commission) leaves a hole of £407.51 in the account ...

We are in negative territory for the month, and it's the first time that's happened for a

while, too ...

So the bank has fallen back to £8067.35 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00

Profit/(loss) today: (407.51)


Tomorrow's bank: £8067.35
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.81%)

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.87%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 168.91%

Today's strike-rate: 5 wins from 8 selections = 62.5%

March strike-rate: 32 wins from 40 selections = 80%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1195 wins from 1427 selections = 83.74%

Would have been much better off staying in bed again today, too ...

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That was a real bummer yesterday. So what? 2 step forward, 1 step backwards!

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Hope so, Wolf, thank you for supportive post ...

I will carry on "undaunted" anyway, even though Undaunted is not running today

...

The Hundred-And-Fifty-Fifth Day ... Wednesday 8th March ...

With Fontwell waterlogged, since they don't let you lay swimmers, I will stick to these
...

Armentieres 2.00 Catterick ...


Elms Schoolboy 2.10 Southwell ...
Logger Rhythm 2.40 Southwell ...
Moyne Pleasure 3.30 Catterick ...
Tommytyler 3.40 Southwell ...
Persian Point 4.00 Catterick ...
Upswing 4.00 Catterick ...
Wilfie Wild 5.00 Catterick ...

Good luck! 8)

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Results Update: day 155 ...

Armentieres 2.00 Catterick ... 5/1, 5.6, £51.69 ;D


Elms Schoolboy 2.10 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Logger Rhythm 2.40 Southwell ... 9/4, 3.4, £86.15 ;D
Moyne Pleasure 3.30 Catterick ... 9/1, 9.0, £34.46 ;D
Tommytyler 3.40 Southwell ... 3/1, 4.2, £51.69 ;D

Persian Point 4.00 Catterick ... 11/2, 6.8, £51.69

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Upswing 4.00 Catterick ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Wilfie Wild 5.00 Catterick ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D

Comments:
After a day like yesterday I suppose a plus is a plus and I ought to be pleased ... :-\

The takings today were £343.73 (this is £361.83 less 5% commission) but the loss on
Persian Point was £299.80, leaving a net profit of only £43.93 on the day ... :P

So the bank is now £8111.28 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £43.93
Tomorrow's bank: £8111.28
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.54%

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (3.35%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 170.38%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5%

March strike-rate: 39 wins from 48 selections = 81.25%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1202 wins from 1435 selections = 83.76%

It was just about worth getting out of bed today, I suppose ... :

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Sixth Day ... Thursday 9th March ...

An English "dozen" to lay, today ...

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Lunar Sovereign 1.50 Wincanton ...
Motcombe 2.20 Wincanton ...
Walsingham 2.55 Wincanton ...
Dorneys Well 3.05 Towcester ...
Laertes 3.15 Carlisle ...
Ballyboley 3.15 Carlisle ...
Lambrini Bianco 3.50 Carlisle ...
Matmata de Tendron 3.50 Carlisle ...
Recent Edition 3.50 Carlisle ...
Lazy But Lively 3.50 Carlisle ...
Lord Nellerie 4.50 Towcester ...
Old Benny 5.10 Wincanton ...

Good luck today (especially in the 3.50 at Carlisle!) ...

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Thought you could have found a few more lays in that race you chicken.

Hope your right about Lunar Sovereign, as I have gone and backed 1st time out
Promotion. 4.4 looked very big last night.

Good luck

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Quote:

Originally Posted by beamer2

Thought you could have found a few more lays in that race you chicken.

Can always lay Briar's Mist as well, if you want ... and probably just about within the

11.0 cut-off, too ... or just have a straight win bet on Dickie Lewis instead ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by beamer2

Hope your right about Lunar Sovereign, as I have gone and backed 1st time out
Promotion. 4.4 looked very big last night.

Oooh, that's very brave: I don't back them without checking from a first run that

they've got 4 legs and all this sort of thing ...

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I never do do, but decided to take the price and lay back for a profit. As usual got

gready. I think the Queen must have layed it

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Results Update: day 156 ...

Lunar Sovereign 1.50 Wincanton ... 5/1, 6.8, £51.69 ;D

Motcombe 2.20 Wincanton ... 5/1, 6.6, £51.69


Walsingham 2.55 Wincanton ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Dorneys Well 3.05 Towcester ... 4/1, 4.8, £51.69 ;D
Laertes 3.15 Carlisle ... 7/2, 3.4, £86.15 ;D
Ballyboley 3.15 Carlisle ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Lambrini Bianco 3.50 Carlisle ... 4/1, 5.4, £51.69 ;D
Matmata de Tendron 3.50 Carlisle ... 9/2, 6.0, £51.69 ;D

Recent Edition 3.50 Carlisle ... 5/1, 6.4, £51.69


Lazy But Lively 3.50 Carlisle ... 5/1, 6.4, £51.69 ;D
Lord Nellerie 4.50 Towcester ... non-runner
Old Benny 5.10 Wincanton ... 6/1, 6,6, £51.69 ;D

Comments:
Cross and annoyed with myself today, not because of the 3.50 race (which wasn't
expensive anyway) but because of Motcombe in the 2.20: I knew before doing my
laying that my friend Nigel (whose record is brilliant) had a big dutch on Motcombe
and Chabrimal Minster and wrongly decided to go ahead and lay Motcombe anyway,
where on a better day I would have perfectly legitimately decided the opposite within

the rules of my system ...

The takings today were £458.31 (this is £482.44 less 5% commission) but the losses
on the 3.50 race and the entirely avoidable Motcombe add up to an awful £568.60,
leaving a well deserved net loss of £110.29 on the day ... :P

So the bank is now £8000.99 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£110.29)
Tomorrow's bank: £8000.99
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.36%)

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.66%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 166.7%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.81%

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March strike-rate: 48 wins from 59 selections = 81.36%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1211 wins from 1446 selections = 83.75%

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Seventh Day ... Friday 10th March ...

A little bit of everything here today ... ??? :

The Masareti Kid 2.00 Ayr ...


Young Lorcan 2.20 Leicester ...
Scarlet Cloak 2.30 Ayr ...
Sobers 2.30 Ayr ...
Lord Collingwood 2.30 Ayr ...
Alphabetical 2.40 Sandown ...
Bill Haze 2.50 Leicester ...
Rookery Lad 3.25 Leicester ...
Morgan Be 3.35 Leicester ...
Kipsigis 3.50 Sandown ...
Curly Spencer 4.00 Leicester ...
Bollin Thomas 4.45 Ayr ...
Tiger King 4.45 Ayr ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 157 ...

The Masareti Kid 2.00 Ayr ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D

Young Lorcan 2.20 Leicester ... 9/1, 10.0, £34.46


Scarlet Cloak 2.30 Ayr ... 10/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D
Sobers 2.30 Ayr ... 5/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Lord Collingwood 2.30 Ayr ... 10/1, 9.4, £34.46 ;D
Alphabetical 2.40 Sandown ... 3/1, 4.2, £51.69 ;D

Bill Haze 2.50 Leicester ... 7/2, 4.6, £51.69


Rookery Lad 3.25 Leicester ... non-runner

Morgan Be 3.35 Leicester ... 13/8, 2.8, £86.15

Kipsigis 3.50 Sandown ... 5/1, 5.0, £51.69


Curly Spencer 4.00 Leicester ... 9/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Bollin Thomas 4.45 Ayr ... 5/2, 3.45, £86.15 ;D
Tiger King 4.45 Ayr ... 10/1, 7.2, £51.69 ;D

Comments:

Eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww ...

March was a bugger last year, actually ...

The takings today were £360.10 (that's £379.06 less 5% commission) and the losses

came to £858.06, leaving a net loss of £497.96 on the day ...

So the bank is now only £7503.03 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged, and we'll
get it back, of course ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£497.96)
Tomorrow's bank: 7503.03
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (6.22%)

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (10.59%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 150.1%

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Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 12 selections = 66.67%

March strike-rate: 56 wins from 71 selections = 78.87%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1219 wins from 1458 selections = 83.61%

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Of course you will get it back! No doubt whatsoever!

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Eighth Day ... Saturday 11th March ...

Could do with a good day, here: less about shoe-shopping now than avoiding being

barefoot ...

I'm laying these and I hope they all have a good race and give their connections lots
of fun and excitement and finish second ... :-X

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Sounds Simla 1.50 Wolverhampton ...
Woodford Consult 2.15 Ayr ...
Harlov 2.50 Ayr ...
Brandy Wine 2.50 Ayr ...
Darko Karim 3.05 Chepstow ...
Ursis 3.20 Sandown ...
Kirkside Pleasure 3.25 Ayr ...
Lucky Lark 4.10 Wolverhampton ...
Ebony Jack 4.15 Chepstow ...
Priors Dale 4.25 Sandown ...
Key Phil 4.50 Chepstow ...
Desert Tommy 5.25 Chepstow ...
Classic Harry 5.35 Ayr ...

Good luck today!

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Results Update: day 158 ...

Sounds Simla 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D


Woodford Consult 2.15 Ayr ... 9/2, 6.0, £51.69 ;D
Harlov 2.50 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Brandy Wine 2.50 Ayr ... 5/2, 3.3, £86.15 ;D
Darko Karim 3.05 Chepstow ... 10/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D
Ursis 3.20 Sandown ... 13/2, 7.0, £51.69 ;D

Kirkside Pleasure 3.25 Ayr ... 13/2, 8.0, £34.46

Lucky Lark 4.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/2, 3.9, £51.69


Ebony Jack 4.15 Chepstow ... 3/1, 4.6, £51.69 ;D
Priors Dale 4.25 Sandown ... 5/1, 5.5, £51.69 ;D
Key Phil 4.50 Chepstow ... 9/2, 5.5, £51.69 ;D
Desert Tommy 5.25 Chepstow ... 13/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Classic Harry 5.35 Ayr ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D

Comments:

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Today's takings £556.52 (that's £585.82 less 5% commission) and the losses came to
£391.12, leaving a net profit of £165.40 on the day ...

The bank is now £7668.43, tomorrow's stakes are unchanged and we have a long way
to go, here ... :-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £165.40
Tomorrow's bank: £7668.43
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.2%

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (8.62%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 155.61%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 13 selections = 84.62%

March strike-rate: 67 wins from 84 selections = 79.76%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1230 wins from 1471 selections = 83.62%

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See, some pennies back already!

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The Hundred-And-Fifty-Ninth Day ... Sunday 12th March ...

Another dozen today ... :-\

Sarah's Quay 2.15 Market Rasen ...


Major Catch 2.30 Warwick ...
Exceptionnel 3.00 Warwick ...
Cabrillo 3.15 Market Rasen ...
Graceful Dancer 3.30 Warwick ...
Olival 3.45 Market Rasen ...
Koral Bay 4.00 Warwick ...
Vicars Destiny 4.15 Market Rasen ...
Le Royal 4.15 Market Rasen ...
Miss Holly 4.45 Market Rasen ...
I Got Rhythm 4.45 Market Rasen ...
Two T'Three Weeks 5.00 Warwick ...

Good luck with these! 8)

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Excellent day!

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Better, yes ... feeling a little less uncomfortable and distinctly less embarrassed

...

So ... Results Update: day 159 ...

Sarah's Quay 2.15 Market Rasen ... 9/1, 8.8, £34.46

Major Catch 2.30 Warwick ... 15/2, 8.8, £34.46

Exceptionnel 3.00 Warwick ... 7/2, 5.4, £51.69

Cabrillo 3.15 Market Rasen ... 9/4, 3.2, £86.15

Graceful Dancer 3.30 Warwick ... 9/1, 7.0, £51.69

Olival 3.45 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 5.2, £51.69

Koral Bay 4.00 Warwick ... 14/1, 11.0, £34.46

Vicars Destiny 4.15 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 6.6, £51.69

Le Royal 4.15 Market Rasen ... 5/1, 6.8, £51.69

Miss Holly 4.45 Market Rasen ... 3/1, 4.4, £51.69

I Got Rhythm 4.45 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69

Two T'Three Weeks 5.00 Warwick ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69

Comments:

Today's takings £572.89 (that's £603.05 less 5% commission); no losses ...

The bank has recovered (for the moment!) to £8241.32, tomorrow's stakes are
unchanged and we still have £150 left to recover to get the month back into profit,
here ... :-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £572.89
Tomorrow's bank: £8241.32
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 7.47%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (1.79%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 174.71%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 12 selections = 100%

March strike-rate: 79 wins from 96 selections = 82.29%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1242 wins from 1483 selections = 83.75%

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Very nice......again

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The Hundred-And-Sixtieth Day ... Monday 13th March ...

Marque Deposee 2.20 Taunton ...


Pedler's Profiles 2.20 Taunton ...
Sistema 3.10 Stratford ...
Little Venus 3.20 Taunton ...
Pietro Vannucci 3.40 Stratford ...
Lucky Sinna 4.50 Taunton ...
Whitewater Dash 5.10 Stratford ...
La Dame Brune 5.10 Stratford ...
Blaeberry 5.20 Taunton ...

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Results Update: day 160 ...

Marque Deposee 2.20 Taunton ... 4/1, 6.8, £51.69

Pedler's Profiles 2.20 Taunton ... 15/2, 10.5, £34.46

Sistema 3.10 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69

Little Venus 3.20 Taunton ... 11/1, 10.5, £34.46

Pietro Vannucci 3.40 Stratford ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46

Lucky Sinna 4.50 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.7, £51.69

Whitewater Dash 5.10 Stratford ... 9/2, 6.2, £51.69

La Dame Brune 5.10 Stratford ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69


Blaeberry 5.20 Taunton ... 9/2, 5.3, £51.69 :'(

Comments:
I hated the last race as soon as Lady Maranzi became a non-runner ... but this
occasionally happens ... :P

Today's takings £343.74 (that's £361.83 less 5% commission); but the loss of
£222.27 on Blaeberry brings that down to a net profit of £121.47 on the day ... :-X

The bank has recovered to £8362.79 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ... :-\

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £121.47
Tomorrow's bank: £8362.79
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.47%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.35%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 178.76%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89%


March strike-rate: 87 wins from 105 selections = 82.86%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1250 wins from 1492 selections = 83.78%

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-First Day ... Tuesday 14th March ...

Had a few interesting ones to have difficulties with heavy going at Sedgefield today,

but unfortunately the snow has come along and laid the whole lot ...

Still, I'm laying these ...

Mystery Pips 2.25 Southwell ...


A Teen 2.25 Southwell ...
On The Trail 2.25 Southwell ...
Misty Princess 2.25 Southwell ...
Accordion Etoile 2.35 Cheltenham ...
Heathyards Joy 3.05 Southwell ...
Hardy Eustace 3.15 Cheltenham ...
Elaala 3.45 Southwell ...
Alderburn 4.00 Cheltenham ...
Dun Doire 4.00 Cheltenham ...
Native Jack 4.40 Cheltenham ...
Lasting Love 5.10 Southwell ...
Rosecliff 5.20 Cheltenham ...

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Maria,

Going for broke in the 2.25 then?

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Quote:

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Going for broke in the 2.25 then?

No; going for £172.30, I hope ...

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Results Update: day 161 ...

Mystery Pips 2.25 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.2, £51.69


A Teen 2.25 Southwell ... 4/1, 4.3, £51.69 ;D
On The Trail 2.25 Southwell ... 13/2, 9.2, £34.46 ;D
Misty Princess 2.25 Southwell ... 13/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Accordion Etoile 2.35 Cheltenham ... 7/1, 8.4, £34.46 ;D
Heathyards Joy 3.05 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Hardy Eustace 3.15 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.0, £51.69 ;D

Elaala 3.45 Southwell ... 8/1, 8.2, £34.46


Alderburn 4.00 Cheltenham ... 8/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D

Dun Doire 4.00 Cheltenham ... 7/1, 9.0, £34.46

Native Jack 4.40 Cheltenham ... 7/2, 4.6, £51.69


Lasting Love 5.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Rosecliff 5.20 Cheltenham ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D

Comments:
Disaster City ... combination of bad results and laying to some bad prices ... :-[

Today's takings £360.10 (that's £379.06 less 5% commission); losses totalling a

horrible £926.99 produced a net deficit on the day of £566.89 ...

March is turning into a very, very difficult month, just like it was last year. Quite
possibly no "moral" here, and it would certainly be very premature on this basis to
give March a miss next year: out of 12 months of the year there are bound to be a

couple that duplicate last year's pattern just randomly ...

The bank has fallen back to £7795.90 (and I so wanted to stay above £8000!) and

tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£566.89)
Tomorrow's bank: £7795.90
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: (6.78%) - that's dreadful! ...


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (7.1%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 159.86%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 13 selections = 69.23% ...

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March strike-rate: 96 wins from 118 selections = 81.36% ...
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1259 wins from 1505 selections = 83.65%

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Here we go, then, with the Hundred-And-Sixty-Twoth Day ... Wednesday 15th March
...

Is it the "ides of March" ... ??? Hope Julius Caesar isn't running today ...

I'm laying these ...

Nimello 2.15 Wolverhampton ...


Roman Court 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Sett Aside 3.00 Huntingdon ...
Upright Ima 3.45 Huntingdon ...
Coralbrook 4.25 Huntingdon ...
Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon ...
Nan Jan 4.55 Wolverhampton ...
Fantastic Arts 5.05 Huntingdon ...
Ellerslie George 5.40 Huntingdon ...
Marine Life 5.40 Huntingdon ...

Keeping away from Cheltenham! ...

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Results Update: day 162 ...

Nimello 2.15 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D


Roman Court 3.00 Huntingdon ... 4/1, 6.8, £51.69 ;D
Sett Aside 3.00 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Upright Ima 3.45 Huntingdon ... 9/2, 6.6, £51.69 ;D
Coralbrook 4.25 Huntingdon ... 7/1, 8.8, £34.46 ;D

Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon ... 9/2, 5.6, £51.69


Nan Jan 4.55 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Fantastic Arts 5.05 Huntingdon ... 9/2, 6.2, £51.69 ;D
Ellerslie George 5.40 Huntingdon ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Marine Life 5.40 Huntingdon ... 7/2, 5.1, £51.69 ;D

Comments:
Today's takings £376.47 (that's £396.29 less 5% commission); but the loss of
£237.78 on Ocean Tide sadly brings that down to a net profit on the day of only
£138.69 ... :-\

The bank is now £7934.59 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £138.69
Tomorrow's bank: £7934.59
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.72%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (5.45%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 164.48%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%

March strike-rate: 105 wins from 128 selections = 82.03% ...


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1268 wins from 1515 selections = 83.7%

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Maria,

have been following this thread for a couple of weeks & been finding difficult to get
prices matched at 11.0 for some of the longer priced selections. I have been doing to
1/10th stakes of you (£3.44 as opposed to £34.46)

One today was nimello - you said you got £34.46 matched at 11.0, but on the betfair
site, only £19 actually got matched at 11.0 or below.

Wondered if you were using a different exchange - if so what.

thanks
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Hi,

Sorry to hear that - and slightly surprised in this case (though not in a couple of other

recent ones) because the SP of Nimello was only 10/1 anyway ...

Nan Jan, on the other hand, started at 12/1 (no great surprise) but it was very easy

to get matched at 11.0 ...

To be honest, on Nimello I got more than £34.46 matched at an average of 11


(alright, maybe 11.3 or something ...), because I've actually been increasing my own
stakes a little bit more than is shown in my results-posts here, which are very slightly

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"simplified" ...

But to the general observation that sometimes I'll be laying something at 11.0 and it
might not quite be possible for someone reading the thread to get matched within the
cut-off, I can only really plead guilty occasionally, and apologise for it. If they're
drifting (and you probably know that I believe that more drift than shorten, especially
in that sort of price-range, although I acknowledge that other people may look at it
differently), I do sometimes get on good and early and then do the typing after that.
But I hope and trust (and certainly believe, from feedback) that overall what's going
on here is pretty easily duplicable by people erring on the early side and leaving
positions unmatched ... 8)

I know that Janis and some others use 12.0 as their cut-off for selections I've given
around 11.0, and say so openly; and whereas I don't blame them at all and
sometimes do more or less the same myself (and unlike with the nasty shorties,
fortunately it's really, really exceptional for me to have an accident at that sort of
price!), I don't really want to start telling everyone that the cut-off's 12, because then
people will lay at 12.5 average making their cut-off effectively 13.0 and so on. I admit
that doing this would actually increase the profits, but it's too messy and complicated
for now, and I'm aware that some aspects of this whole thread are so messy and

complicated anyway that some people find the whole thing terribly off-putting ...

But to answer your actual question: I very rarely use Betdaq for anything ...

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I think the same sort of thing happened on Sunday with Koral Bay, no money was
matched at all at 11's, but I think people are taking the thread too literally, at the end
of the day I am just very pleased that you post your selections.

I don't lay all of your selections but I use them selectively to confirm my own
opinions.

Thanks for all your efforts!

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Hi Maria,

The only one that let you down today, Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon, was 9.4 when you
posted your selections.

Very shrewd move to wait until just before the off to get matched at 5.6.

It's all about experience and timing. Good luck tomorrow.

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Hello again MayoMan ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by MayoMan

Ocean Tide 4.25 Huntingdon, was 9.4 when you posted your selections. Very
shrewd move to wait until just before the off to get matched at 5.6.

I have it down on my bit of paper as originally 10.0, actually ... but that might have
been a bit before I posted. The ones that shorten as consistently as that are the easy
ones, though ... unfortunately I've been having some of the other kind recently too,
which is partly why it's still looking a thoroughly bad month here ... but thank you,

and good luck to you also, as ever ...

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Third Day ... Thursday 16th March ...

Mossmann Gorge 1.20 Southwell ...


Regency Red 1.20 Southwell ...
Priorina 1.50 Southwell ...
Franky'n'jonny 1.50 Southwell ...
Pawn In Life 2.25 Southwell ...
Roman Empire 3.05 Southwell ...
Tour d'Amour 3.45 Southwell ...
Mr Cheers 3.45 Southwell ...
Khanjar 4.30 Southwell ...
Blue Business 4.40 Cheltenham ...
Miss Lopez 5.10 Southwell ...

On Khanjar I have already laid to 11.0 (rightly or wrongly - its price is swinging up
and down a bit at the moment) ... my stake £344.60 for £34.46 less commission ...

On Blue Business I have already laid to 8.0 (rightly, I think) ... my stake £361.83 for
£51.69 less commission ...

Good luck today! ... 8)

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Results Update: day 163 ...

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Mossmann Gorge 1.20 Southwell ... 15/8, 3.2, £86.15 ;D
Regency Red 1.20 Southwell ... 13/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Priorina 1.50 Southwell ... 7/2, 7.0, £51.69 ;D
Franky'n'jonny 1.50 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.4, £51.69 ;D
Pawn In Life 2.25 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Roman Empire 3.05 Southwell ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D

Tour d'Amour 3.45 Southwell ... 4/1, 5.6, £51.69


Mr Cheers 3.45 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Khanjar 4.30 Southwell ... 14/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Blue Business 4.40 Cheltenham ... 10/1, 8.0, £34.46 ;D

Miss Lopez 5.10 Southwell ... 11/4, 4.0, £51.69

Comments:
Very disappointing, especially the last one ... laid both the winners to bad prices,

could easily have done better with hindsight (as so often) ... :-[

Today's takings £441.94 (that's £465.21 less 5% commission); but the losses totalling
£392.85 bring that down to a net profit on the day of only £49.09 ... :-\

The bank is now £7983.68 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

A very difficult month ... I will be very relieved if and when we get to May 1st

relatively intact: I expect to do better then, for the last 4 months of our year ... :

If I can somehow finish this month without a loss to carry forward, I'll be very happy

about it ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £49.09
Tomorrow's bank: £7983.68
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.62%

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (4.87%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 166.12%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82% :P

March strike-rate: 114 wins from 139 selections = 82.01% ...


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1277 wins from 1526 selections = 83.68%

:-\

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Fourth Day ... Friday 17th March ...

Is today going to be the day we get back above £8000 and stay there (pretty pretty
please)? ... ???

I'm laying these ...

Mighty Kitchener 1.50 Lingfield ...


Special Moment 1.50 Lingfield (dangerous shortie) ...
Sweetest Revenge 2.25 Lingfield ...
Plateau 2.25 Lingfield ...
Arkholme 2.50 Fakenham ...
Ethan Snowflake 2.50 Fakenham ...
Digger Boy 3.05 Lingfield ...
Jaffa 3.30 Fakenham ...
Nuit Sombre 3.45 Lingfield ...
Lightning Strikes 4.15 Fakenham ...
Kindlelight Debut 4.30 Lingfield ...
Island Rapture 4.30 Lingfield ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 164 ...

Mighty Kitchener 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/1, 9.0, £34.46 ;D


Special Moment 1.50 Lingfield ... 7/4, 2.8, £86.15 ;D
Sweetest Revenge 2.25 Lingfield ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D
Plateau 2.25 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.8, £34.46 ;D
Arkholme 2.50 Fakenham ... 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D

Ethan Snowflake 2.50 Fakenham ... 13/2, 8.2, £34.46


Digger Boy 3.05 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D
Jaffa 3.30 Fakenham ... 9/2, 5.7, £51.69 ;D
Nuit Sombre 3.45 Lingfield ... 9/1, 9.6, £34.46 ;D
Lightning Strikes 4.15 Fakenham ... 7/2, 5.8, £51.69 ;D
Kindlelight Debut 4.30 Lingfield ... 7/2, 4.3, £51.69 ;D
Island Rapture 4.30 Lingfield ... 9/1, 11.0 £34.46 ;D

Comments:
Today's takings £458.31 (that's £482.44 less 5% commission); but the loss of
£248.12 on Ehtan Snowflake (a big surprise) brings that down to a net profit on the
day of £210.19 ... :-\

The bank is now £8148.87 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

I've recovered up past the £8000 mark but still not yet got back up to where I was on

the 1st of this month (which was itself not even the highest point) ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £210.19
Tomorrow's bank: £8148.87
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.63%

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (2.9%)


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 171.63%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67% 8)


March strike-rate: 125 wins from 151 selections = 82.78%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1288 wins from 1538 selections = 83.75%

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Back on the winning trail M

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WELL DONE AGAIN


NICE TO SEE YOU OVER 8000 AGAIN :-*

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Thank you ...

But it may not last: I have never before had so many dangerous shorties in one day

as today! ...

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Talk about "high risk" ...

Looks like five of them between 3.0 and 4.0 and the highest of the eleven below will

be only about 8.0 ...

It doesn't "mean" anything: it's just the way the selections turned out, and I suppose
in every year there has to be a day that's the highest-risk ever, and it may as well be

today as any other day ... :

So, rightly or wrongly I'm laying these ...

Les Arcs 2.05 Lingfield ...


Geordie Peacock 2.15 Wetherby ...
Motcombe 2.20 Uttoxeter ...
King Bee 2.55 Uttoxeter ...
Miss Pross 3.35 Newcastle ...
He's The Guv'nor 4.00 Uttoxeter ...
Young Lorcan 4.30 Uttoxeter ...
Lost in Normandy 4.30 Uttoxeter ...
Dead Man's Dante 5.10 Newcastle ...
Spitfire Sortie 5.30 Wetherby ...
Kilmackilloge 5.40 Newcastle ...

Good luck today! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 165 ...

Les Arcs 2.05 Lingfield ... 5/2, 3.7, £51.69 :'(


Geordie Peacock 2.15 Wetherby ... 13/2, 7.4. £51.69 ;D
Motcombe 2.20 Uttoxeter ... 4/1, 5.6, £51.69 ;D
King Bee 2.55 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Miss Pross 3.35 Newcastle ... 11/4, 3.75, £51.69 ;D

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He's The Guv'nor 4.00 Uttoxeter ... 6/1, 5.4, £51.69 ;D
Young Lorcan 4.30 Uttoxeter ... 7/2, 3.8, £51.69 :'(
Lost in Normandy 4.30 Uttoxeter ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Dead Man's Dante 5.10 Newcastle ... 7/2, 5.3, £51.69 ;D
Spitfire Sortie 5.30 Wetherby ... 2/1, 3.21, £81.65 ;D
Kilmackilloge 5.40 Newcastle ... 9/4, 3.45, £81.65 ;D

Comments:
All these shorties and you'd think I might manage to take a bit more from Miss Pross

and Dead Man's Dante ... not to mention the two that actually won, of course ...

Today's takings £498.87 (that's £525.13 less 5% commission); but the loss of
£284.30 on a couple of the nasty ones brings that down to a net profit on the day of
£214.57 ... :-\

Still losing on the month, even after a reasonable day like today ...

The bank is now £8363.44 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Unusual today, to make £200 with a lower strike-rate than average; but the answer to

that of course lies in today's average price ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £214.57
Tomorrow's bank: £8363.44
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.15, £51.69 and £34.46

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.63% ... exactly the same percentage as yesterday!

...
Bank increase/(loss) month to date: (0.34%)
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 178.78%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.81%


March strike-rate: 134 wins from 162 selections = 82.72%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1297 wins from 1549 selections = 83.73%

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Sixth Day ... Sunday 19th March ...

Not so many today, but some dangerous shorties anyway ...

I'm laying these ...

Whatsonyourmind 2.00 Carlisle ...


Malaga Boy 2.45 Fontwell ...
On Reflection 2.55 Limerick ...
Armentieres 3.10 Carlisle
Scotmail 3.25 Kelso ...
Capybara 3.45 Carlisle ...
Elvis Returns 3.45 Carlisle ...
Posh Stick 4.55 Carlisle ...

Good luck! ;D

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Hi im new to this site (today) and am just looking through some of the topics and
came across this one, very impressed with your results keep up the good work 8) How
long will you keep posting your selections if you dont mind me asking

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Hello Oods, welcome to EBA and thanks for honouring my laying system with your

first post here ...

I'll probably be posting these until the end of August. I started in the first few days of
September last year and planned to post them for 1 year. So all being well, there are
5 full months (plus what's left of March) to go ... and from 1st May the number of
selections will be very slightly higher ...

I'll be back later with today's results (which didn't hurt for once and we're "in front"

again!) ... ;D

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Results Update: day 166 ...

Whatsonyourmind 2.00 Carlisle ... 7/2, 3.45, £86.15 ;D


Malaga Boy 2.45 Fontwell ... 2/1, 3.35, £86.15 ;D

On Reflection 2.55 Limerick ... 1/2, 1.62, £86.15


Armentieres 3.10 Carlisle 8/1, 10.5, £34.46 ;D
Scotmail 3.25 Kelso ... 7/1, 7.4, £51.69 ;D
Capybara 3.45 Carlisle ... 9/2, 6.2, £51.69 ;D
Elvis Returns 3.45 Carlisle ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.46 ;D
Posh Stick 4.55 Carlisle ... 10/3, 5.7, £51.67 ;D

Comments:
Today's takings £376.47 (that's £396.29 less 5% commission); and the loss of £53.42

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on On Reflection (a mistake but a cheap mistake) brings that down to a net profit on
the day of £323.05 ...

The bank is now £8686.49, we're in front for the month (which is a great relief and
that this stage almost a surprise to me!) and there'll be new stakes tomorrow:
£86.86, £52.11 and £34.74 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £323.05
Tomorrow's bank: £8686.49
Tomorrow's stakes: £86.86, £52.11 and £34.74

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.86%

Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 3.51% ...


Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 189.55%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 8 selections = 87.5%


March strike-rate: 141 wins from 170 selections = 82.94%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1304 wins from 1557 selections = 83.75%

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thanks for reply i dont know whether to get involved or not with this as it probably will
finish you off :-\ will keep an eye on this anyway

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Much better to keep an eye on it than to jump in in a hurry, I'd say. Laying's a long,
slow, gradual business which requires a lot of commitment, a lot of consistency and a lot
of patience and discipline (not to mention quite a bit of capital!) ... it tends to be a high

turnover, low profit-margin business ... :

On a good day like yesterday, I made £323, but look at how enormous my "stake" was
(you can see this by adding up all the potential liabilities: it comes to many thousands of

pounds, of course, even though that money isn't all "in play" at the same time) ...

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The Hundred-And-Sixty-Seventh Day ... Monday 20th March ...

Not the greatest day's racing in history, I think ... ???

I'm laying these ...

Herons Ghyll 2.10 Hereford ...


Amber Glory 2.20 Southwell ...
Byo 2.50 Southwell ...
Prince of Gold 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Mount Royale 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Miss Glory Be 3.30 Wolverhampton ...
Imperial Rocket 3.40 Hereford ...
Blanc Visage 4.20 Southwell ...
Dispol Veleta 4.50 Southwell ...

Good luck! ;D

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Hi Maria

I have been a "voyeur" on your system for sometime now and it really looks like it has
firm foundations, but as usual it relies on a good ratio of winners to losers. Have read
most of your early posts but I don't think it mentions how you make your selections. Is
there a "system" behind the system.

As I said i think proportional lay idea really gives this system merit and i for one thank
you for put the effort in every day posting, it really is appreciated

Many thanks

Graeme
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Hi Graeme,

First, welcome to EBA; secondly, thank you for posting; thirdly, so ... you like nice
shoes and you're a "voyeur": you're definitely welcome here; fourthly I suppose I'd
better try to answer your question, though inevitably the answer will disappoint: there
is a "system behind the system" and it does, as you say, all depend on maintaining a
high strike-rate (especially because I lay quite a few at prices like 10.0 and 11.0) ...
but I don't comment in public on the underlying system because a girl has to have
some limits ... although I don't ever mind sharing the selections after my own bets are
on (matched and/or unmatched), I'm worried that if I disclose the system rules (which
nobody could possibly work out without my disclosing them!) it's possible that
someone with a huge laying bank could "beat me to it" and I wouldn't get my own

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positions matched so easily ...

I think I'm not just being paranoid saying this, because I know from PM's and emails
that some of the people who are "following" this system are doing so with banks four
or five times the size of mine ... and even on Betfair the trading volumes aren't

limitless for a dreadful banded race on a wet Monday afternoon, you know ...

So to this question my answer (however much I try to pad it out), with apologies, is
always basically "no comment" ... :-X

And having said that, it must be time for today's rather lucky results ...

Results Update: day 167 ...

Herons Ghyll 2.10 Hereford ... 5/1, 7.2, £52.11

Amber Glory 2.20 Southwell ... 18/1, 10.0, £34.74

Byo 2.50 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.8, £34.74

Prince of Gold 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 11.0, £34.74

Mount Royale 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 5.9, £52.11

Miss Glory Be 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 9.2, £34.74

Imperial Rocket 3.40 Hereford ... 9/1, 9.8, £34.74

Blanc Visage 4.20 Southwell ... 7/2, 5.5, £52.11

Dispol Veleta 4.50 Southwell ... 11/4, 4.6, £52.11

Comments:
I had 10 selections today and have only just noticed now, putting up the results, that
for some reason I only posted 9 of them! The other one, if anyone's really interested,
was Gotontheluckyone in the 2.40 at Hereford, which was easily matched at 7.4, not
surprisingly since it actually started at 6/1, and was unplaced, but this is all

aftertiming now and obviously I'm not including it in the results ... :

Today's takings £363.03 (that's £382.14 less 5% commission); no losses ...

The bank has now reached a new high of £9049.52 and there'll be new stakes
tomorrow: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £363.03
Tomorrow's bank: £9049.52

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Tomorrow's stakes: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.18%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.84%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 201.65% ...

For the moment, of course ... don't forget that it can still come crashing down again
tomorrow! ... :-\

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 9 selections = 100%


March strike-rate: 150 wins from 179 selections = 83.8%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1313 wins from 1566 selections = 83.84%

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WELL DONE
YOU HAVE A GOOD RIGHT TO SING AND DANCE ;D

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Hi Maria, clean sheet yet again. Nothing else expected! lol

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Hello! ... thank you ... :-*

The Hundred-And-Sixty-Eighth Day (I am getting old, here!) ... Tuesday 21st March
...

A couple of ultra-shorties today (suppose they won't cost a fortune if they go wrong)
but a couple at 11.0 as well ... a bit of everything, really ... :-\

I'm laying this dozen (or do you say "these dozen"?) ...

Wenceslas 2.40 Warwick ...


Peggy's First 3.00 Southwell ...
Welcome Stranger 3.10 Warwick ...
Stack The Pack 3.20 Exeter ...
Trebello 3.30 Southwell ...
Its Wallace Jnr 3.40 Warwick ...
Zariano 4.00 Southwell ...
Sriology 4.00 Southwell ...
Denvale 4.20 Exeter ...
Silver Nun 4.30 Southwell ...
Yassooma 4.30 Southwell ...
Precious Mystery 5.10 Warwick ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 168 ...

Wenceslas 2.40 Warwick ... 4/1, 7.0, £54.29

Peggy's First 3.00 Southwell ... 11/1, 9.8, £36.19

Welcome Stranger 3.10 Warwick ... 11/8, 2.45, £90.49

Stack The Pack 3.20 Exeter ... 4/1, 6.0, £54.29

Trebello 3.30 Southwell ... 9/2, 5.8, £54.29

Its Wallace Jnr 3.40 Warwick ... 8/11, 1.84, £90.49

Zariano 4.00 Southwell ... 5/1, 7/0. £54.29

Sriology 4.00 Southwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £36.19

Denvale 4.20 Exeter ... 4/1, 6.6, £54.29

Silver Nun 4.30 Southwell ... 10/1, 6.8, £54.29

Yassooma 4.30 Southwell ... 8/1, 11.0, £36.19


Precious Mystery 5.10 Warwick ... non-runner ... :-\

Comments:

Too many accidents today ...

Non-runners have been a real pain in the neck today, both with backing and laying.
Obviously it was easy to do rather better on the selections above than I've indicated
here, allowing for that, but I'll score up - as always - as they are listed above ... :-\

Today's takings £361.01 (that's £380.02 less 5% commission), but losses adding up

to £467.83 mean a net loss on the day of £106.82 ...

So the bank has slipped back to £8942.70 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£106.82)
Tomorrow's bank: £8942.70
Tomorrow's stakes: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.18%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.56%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 198.09

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 11 selections = 72.73%

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March strike-rate: 158 wins from 190 selections = 83.16%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1321 wins from 1577 selections = 83.77%

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Another day (in the case the one-hundred-and-sixty-ninth), another lay ...

I'm laying these ...

Miss Patricia 1.30 Lingfield ...


Riquewihr 2.00 Lingfield ...
White On Black 2.10 Chepstow ...
Midnight Gunner 2.20 Towcester ...
Woodview 2.20 Towcester ...
Mujazaf 2.35 Lingfield ...
Quizzling 3.15 Chepstow ...
Just A Splash 3.25 Towcester ...
Golden Bay 4.00 Towcester ...
Sasso 4.25 Chepstow ...
Wicked Uncle 5.20 Lingfield ...
Risington 5.30 Chepstow ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 169 ...

Miss Patricia 1.30 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.3, £54.29

Riquewihr 2.00 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.3, £54.29

And at that point of the afternoon, £358.32 down, I wasn't feeling too optimistic about
the day's laying prospects ... but then fortunately things improved ...

White On Black 2.10 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.4, £54.29

Midnight Gunner 2.20 Towcester ... 15/2, 8.8, £36.19

Woodview 2.20 Towcester ... 9.1, 9.8, £36.19

Mujazaf 2.35 Lingfield ... 7/1, 10.0, £36.19

Quizzling 3.15 Chepstow ... 8/1, 7.4, £54.29

Just A Splash 3.25 Towcester ... 10/3, 5.6, £54.29

Golden Bay 4.00 Towcester ... 11/2, 7.4, £54.29

Sasso 4.25 Chepstow ... 13/2, 5.9, £54.29

Wicked Uncle 5.20 Lingfield ... 7/2, 4.8, £54.29

Risington 5.30 Chepstow ... 9/2, 6.0, £54.29

Comments:
Miss Patricia and Riquewihr were both a bit optional, really, but it's easy to say that
with hindsight, isn't it? ... :P

Today's takings £464.17 (that's £488.60 less 5% commission), but losses adding up

to £358.32 bring the day's net profit down to a mere £105.86 ... :

Still, it's within £1 of "getting it back from yesterday" ...

The bank is now £9048.56 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000

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Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £105.85)
Tomorrow's bank: £9048.56 £8942.70
Tomorrow's stakes: £90.49, £54.29 and £36.19

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.18%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 7.82%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 201.62% ;D

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 12 selections = 83.33%


March strike-rate: 168 wins from 202 selections = 83.17%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1331 wins from 1589 selections = 83.76%

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The Hundred-And-Seventieth Day ... Thurday 23rd March ...

And here follows today's unappetising list of a mixture of shorties and stinkers ...

Dovedon Hero 1.50 Lingfield ...


Beau Supreme 2.00 Ludlow ...
Secured 2.00 Ludlow ...
Canada Street 2.10 Ayr ...
Sands Of Barra 2.55 Lingfield ...
Broke Road 3.05 Ludlow ...
Lampion Du Bost 3.15 Ayr ...
Lutin Du Moulin 3.15 Ayr ...
Cyborg De Sou 4.20 Ayr ...
One More Round 4.35 Lingfield ...
An Capall Dubh 4.45 Ludlow ...
One More Step 5.15 Ludlow ...
Neutron 5.25 Ayr ...

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Results Update: day 170 ...

Dovedon Hero 1.50 Lingfield ... 3/1, 4.3, £54.29

Beau Supreme 2.00 Ludlow ... 4/1, 6.4, £54.29

Secured 2.00 Ludlow ... 8/1, 9.2, £36.19

Canada Street 2.10 Ayr ... 3/1, 5.0, £54.29

Sands Of Barra 2.55 Lingfield ... 13/2, 7.4, £54.29

Broke Road 3.05 Ludlow ... 7/4, 2.7, £90.49 damn shorties >

Lampion Du Bost 3.15 Ayr ... 14/1, 11.0, £36.19

Lutin Du Moulin 3.15 Ayr ... 9/2, 7.4, £54.29

Cyborg De Sou 4.20 Ayr ... 4/1, 6.0 £54.29

One More Round 4.35 Lingfield ... 6/1, 6.0 £54.29

An Capall Dubh 4.45 Ludlow ... 10.3, 5.4, £54.29

One More Step 5.15 Ludlow ... 4/1, 5.9, £54.29


Neutron 5.25 Ayr ... non-runner ...

Comments:
Today's takings £532.94 (that's £560.99 less 5% commission), but the loss of
£153.84 on the damn shorty which kept getting tipped left right and centre with a

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tumbling price as soon as I'd posted my selections brings the day's net profit down to
£379.10 ...

Still, can't complain too much, I suppose ...

The bank is now £9427.66 and that means new stakes tomorrow, which will be
£94.27, £56.56 and £37.71 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £379.10
Tomorrow's bank: £9427.66
Tomorrow's stakes: £94.27, £56.56 and £37.71

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.19%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.34%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 214.26%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31%


March strike-rate: 180 wins from 215 selections = 83.72%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1343 wins from 1602 selections = 83.83%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-First Day ... Friday 24th March ...

Saltrio 2.35 Newbury ...


Harris Bay 3.10 Newbury ...
Stavordale Lad 3.10 Newbury ...
Miss Dagger 3.20 Lingfield ...
Cape Of Storms 3.30 Southwell ...
Davidia 3.55 Lingfield ...
Marriage Value 4.05 Southwell ...

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Stoic Leader 4.30 Lingfield ...
Coleorton Dancer 4.40 Southwell ...
Rafferty 5.10 Southwell ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 171 ...

Saltrio 2.35 Newbury ... 11/2, 7.0, £56.56

Harris Bay 3.10 Newbury ... 9/2, 6.0, £56.56

Stavordale Lad 3.10 Newbury ... 13/2, 8.0, £37.71

Miss Dagger 3.20 Lingfield ... 10/1, 10.5, £37.71

Cape Of Storms 3.30 Southwell ... 9/4, 3.4, £94.22

Davidia 3.55 Lingfield ... 9/2, 6.2, £56.56

Marriage Value 4.05 Southwell ... 3/1, 5.4, £56.56

Stoic Leader 4.30 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.0, £56.56

Coleorton Dancer 4.40 Southwell ... 4/1, 7.4, £56.56

Rafferty 5.10 Southwell ... 8/1, 6.8, £56.56

Comments:
Today's takings £501.50 (that's £527.90 less 5% commission), but the loss of
£263.97 on Stavordale Lad brings the day's net profit down to £237.53 ...

The bank is now £9665.19 and that means new stakes tomorrow, which will be
£96.65, £57.99 and £38.66 ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)
Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £237.53
Tomorrow's bank: £9665.19
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.52%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.17%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 222.17% ;D

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


March strike-rate: 189 wins from 225 selections = 84% ;D
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1352 wins from 1612 selections = 83.87%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Twoth Day ... Saturday 25th March ...

A busy-ish Saturday with Kempton All Weather's first meeting and Wolverhampton

this evening too ...

I'm laying these ...

Cave Of The Giant 1.50 Newbury ...


Queen's Dancer 1.50 Newbury ...
Cullian 2.05 Bangor ...
Akona Matata 2.30 Kempton ...
Ross Comm 3.10 Bangor ...
Swiper Hill 3.35 Kempton ...
Priscilla 4.05 Newbury ...
Zalkani 4.10 Kempton ...
Celebration Song 4.45 Kempton ...
Boldinor 5.15 Kempton ...
Little Rocker 5.25 Bangor ...
Bijou Dan 8.00 Wolverhampton ...
Christmas Player 8.30 Wolverhampton ...
Dudley Locker 9.30 Wolverhampton ...
Mistral Sky 9.30 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck today!

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Results Update: day 172 ...

Cave Of The Giant 1.50 Newbury ... 5/1, 5.7, £57.99

Queen's Dancer 1.50 Newbury ... 7/1, 8.4, £57.99

Cullian 2.05 Bangor ... 8/1, 6.8, £57.99

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Akona Matata 2.30 Kempton ... 5/1, 6.2, £57.99

Ross Comm 3.10 Bangor ... 4/1, 5.2, £57.99

Swiper Hill 3.35 Kempton ... 5/1, 6.0, £57.99

Priscilla 4.05 Newbury ... 5/2, 3.45, £96.65

Zalkani 4.10 Kempton ... 7/1, 6.6, £57.99

Celebration Song 4.45 Kempton ... 7/2, 5.2, £57.99

Boldinor 5.15 Kempton ... 7/1, 7.4, £57.99

Little Rocker 5.25 Bangor ... 6/1, 7.2, £57.99

Bijou Dan 8.00 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.4, £57.99

Christmas Player 8.30 Wolverhampton ... 7/1, 8.0, £38.66

Dudley Locker 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 9.4, £38.66

Mistral Sky 9.30 Wolverhampton ... 11/2, 5.9, £57.99

Comments:

Worst day for a long time ...

Today's takings £624.35 (that's £657.22 less 5% commission), but the nasty losses
add up to £1105.68 (which is more than the total amount I started off laying with less
than a couple of years ago, which is a scary thought in a way!) and that means a net

loss on the day of £481.33 today ...

The bank is now £9183.86 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£481.33)
Tomorrow's bank: £9183.86
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: (4.98%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.44%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 206.13%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 15 selections = 73.33%


March strike-rate: 200 wins from 240 selections = 83.33%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1363 wins from 1627 selections = 83.77%

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Hi Maria, I am new to horse racing and betting in general. I took an interest after
going to a Newbury meet a few months ago. Since then i have had a few quid on over
the weeks and have really been enjoying myself. I never new about laying until I
stumbled across an article on the channel 4 website. Over the past few days I have
been trying to get my head around it and came across your system. I must say you
seem to be doing very well and are an inspiration to someone like me. Its great to see
this record of how you've done over the past months. You must be very proud of how
your system is working for you. Just wanted to say well done and keep up the
fantastic work. I hope to learn and understand the way this works until i get involved
but have had fun looking through your achievement.
Kind regards

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Hello Henry - welcome and thanks very much for posting. You have done so right after
the worst day I've had for a long time, but that just goes to show that laying's a
business of patience and discipline, having your tiny "edge" and exerting it as

consistently as possible ...

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Hope that you'll enjoy EBA anyway, now you've shown up ...

The Hundred-And-Seventy-Third Day ... Sunday 26th March ...

I'm laying these ...

Orpen Wide 2.10 Market Rasen ...


Young Dude 2.210 Worcester ...
Akram 2.40 Market Rasen ...
Haile Selassie 2.50 Worcester ...
Rookery Lad 2.50 Worcester ...
Iris's Prince 3.10 Market Rasen ...
Barton Flower 3.50 Worcester ...
Forest Miller 4.20 Worcester ...
Edge Fund 4.30 Brighton ...
Bang And Blame 4.40 Market Rasen ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 173 ...

Orpen Wide 2.10 Market Rasen ... 11/2, 5.1, £57.99

Young Dude 2.210 Worcester ... 11/4, 3.1, £96.65

Akram 2.40 Market Rasen ... 13/2, 6.8, £57.99

Haile Selassie 2.50 Worcester ... 9/1, 10.5 £38.66

Rookery Lad 2.50 Worcester ... 8/1, 7.4, £57.99

Iris's Prince 3.10 Market Rasen ... 8/1, 9.4, £38.66

Barton Flower 3.50 Worcester ... 5/1, 7.0, £57.99

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Forest Miller 4.20 Worcester ... 17/2, 8.8, £38.66
Edge Fund 4.30 Brighton ... non-runner (meeting abandoned)

Bang And Blame 4.40 Market Rasen ... 13/2, 7.8, £38.66

Comments:
This last result was particularly unpleasant for me, because it just beat a horse on

which I had a large win bet ...

I suppose the results could have been worse, in a sense: Akram and Bang And Blame
(to my surprise) both started at 13/2, and if I'd had to swap round the two prices at
which I'd laid them, I would only have made about £85 on the day instead of about
£160, so I shouldn't complain too much ... :-\

Today's takings £422.36 (that's £444.59 less 5% commission), but the nasty loss of
£262.89 brings that down to a net £159.47 on the day ...

The bank is now £9343.33 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £159.47
Tomorrow's bank: £9343.33
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.74%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 11.34%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 211.44%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89%


March strike-rate: 208 wins from 249 selections = 83.53%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1371 wins from 1636 selections = 83.8%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Fourth Day ... Monday 27th March ...

Still got ground to make up here, and coming up to the end of the month ... :-\

Let's see if opposing this lot can produce some money today ... ???

Granny Peel 2.10 Kempton ...


Chillin Out 2.30 Wolverhampton ...
Royal Melbourne 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Headland 3.30 Wolverhampton ...
Froghole Flyer 3.50 Plumpton ...
Zeloso 4.20 Plumpton ...
Geography 4.20 Plumpton ...
Christmas Truce 4.30 Wolverhampton ...
Ri Na Realta 4.50 Plumpton ...
Hilversum 5.00 Wolverhampton ...
Diamond Dan 5.00 Wolverhampton ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 174 ...

Granny Peel 2.10 Kempton ... 8/1, 11.0, £38.66

Chillin Out 2.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.4, £57.99

Royal Melbourne 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.8, £57.99

Headland 3.30 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 6.8, £57.99

Froghole Flyer 3.50 Plumpton ... 7/1, 6.6, £57.99


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Zeloso 4.20 Plumpton ... 5/1, 6.4, £57.99

Geography 4.20 Plumpton ... 10/1, 9.0, £38.66

Christmas Truce 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 10/1, 8.8, £38.66

Ri Na Realta 4.50 Plumpton ... 11/2, 7.4, £57.99

Hilversum 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 11.0, £38.66

Diamond Dan 5.00 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 5.2, £57.99

Comments:
Just like yesterday, this last result was particularly unpleasant for me, because it beat

a horse on which I had quite a lot of money, too ...

I have not been enjoying March's laying very much. Last year April wasn't a thing of

beauty either, so we'll have to change that this year ...

Today's takings exactly the same as yesterday's: £422.36 (and that's still £444.59
less 5% commission on a Monday as well), but today the nasty losses added up to
£568.31 which is a bit different, and brings in a net loss of £145.95 on the day

...

The bank is now £9197.38 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£145.95)
Tomorrow's bank: £9197.38
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: (1.56%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.6%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 206.58%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82%


March strike-rate: 217 wins from 260 selections = 83.46%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1380 wins from 1647 selections = 83.79%

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Fifth Day ... Tuesday 28th March ...

Plenty to lay today ... especially if all my current "unmatched at 7.4" positions are

taken, which is quite likely ...

Tommytyler 2.50 Southwell ...


Water Taxi 3.00 Sedgefield ...
Hail The Chief 3.10 Folkestone ...
Justcallmehandsome 3.20 Southwell ...
Mount Royale 3.20 Southwell ...
Dark Thunder 3.30 Sedgefield ...
Moustique De L'Is 3.30 Sedgefield ...
Ocean Tide 3.30 Sedgefield ...
Rationale 3.40 Folkestone ...
Scott's Mill 3.50 Southwell ...
Assumption 4.10 Folkestone ...
Cuesta Canyon 4.20 Southwell ...
King Zafeen 4.50 Southwell ...
Kentucky Bullet 5.20 Southwell ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 175 ...

Tommytyler 2.50 Southwell ... 5/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D


Water Taxi 3.00 Sedgefield ... 3/1, 4.3, £57.99 ;D
Hail The Chief 3.10 Folkestone ... 11/2, 6.8, £57.99 :'(
Justcallmehandsome 3.20 Southwell ... 8/1, 9.8, £38.66 ;D
Mount Royale 3.20 Southwell ... 11/2, 6.8, £57.99 ;D
Dark Thunder 3.30 Sedgefield ... 4/1, 5.8, £57.99 ;D
Moustique De L'Isl 3.30 Sedgefield ... 7/2, 4.8, £57.99 :'(
Ocean Tide 3.30 Sedgefield ... 7/2, 4.7, £57.99 ;D
Rationale 3.40 Folkestone ... 5/2, 3.45, £96.65 ;D
Scott's Mill 3.50 Southwell ... 9/2, 6.2, £57.99 ;D
Assumption 4.10 Folkestone ... 11/2, 7.0, £57.99 :'(
Cuesta Canyon 4.20 Southwell ... 9/2, 6.4, £57.99 ;D
King Zafeen 4.50 Southwell ... 9/4, 3.45, £96.65 ;D
Kentucky Bullet 5.20 Southwell ... 6/1, 6.2, £57.99 ;D

Comments:
Today's takings £661.08 (that's £695.88 less 5% commission), but nasty losses

adding up to £904.66 bring in a net loss of £243.58 on the day ...

The bank is now £8935.80 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: (£243.58)
Tomorrow's bank: £8935.80
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: (2.65%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.48%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 197.86%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 14 selections = 78.57% >


March strike-rate: 228 wins from 274 selections = 83.21%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1391 wins from 1661 selections = 83.74%

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Still doing fine, Maria!

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Sixth Day ... Wednesday 29th March ...

I'm laying these ...

Hambaphambili 2.10 Taunton ...


Boddidley 2.40 Taunton ...
Fight The Feeling 2.40 Taunton ...
Tequila Rose 3.00 Wolverhampton ...
Blaeberry 3.10 Taunton ...
Le Volfoni 3.10 Taunton ...
Bobski 3.50 Yarmouth ...
Nikolaev 4.10 Taunton ...
Ski Jump 4.20 Yarmouth ...
Elms Schoolboy 4.30 Wolverhampton ...
Namroc 4.50 Yarmouth ...
Kelv 5.10 Taunton ...

I'm already matched at 10.5 on Fight The Feeling in the 2.40 at Taunton, which may
drift. I'll be including it in the results, obviously, but I wouldn't want to put anyone off
laying it at a higher price than normal for this thread, because I understand it really

has very little chance today ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 176 ...

Hambaphambili 2.10 Taunton ... 15/2, 8.6, £38.66 ;D


Boddidley 2.40 Taunton ... 7/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D
Fight The Feeling 2.40 Taunton ... 14/1, 11.0, £38.66 ;D
Tequila Rose 3.00 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.0, £57.99 ;D
Blaeberry 3.10 Taunton ... 12/1, 11.0, £38.66 ;D
Le Volfoni 3.10 Taunton ... 3/1, 4.2, £57.99 ;D
Bobski 3.50 Yarmouth ... 5/2, 3.45, £96.65 ;D
Nikolaev 4.10 Taunton ... 6/1, 7.2, £57.99 ;D
Ski Jump 4.20 Yarmouth ... 5/1, 5.6, £57.99 ;D ... 1400th lay win since posting here

...
Elms Schoolboy 4.30 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.4, £38.66 :'(
Namroc 4.50 Yarmouth ... 11/2, 4.8, £57.99 ;D
Kelv 5.10 Taunton ... 5/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D

Comments:

Nice of the ever-reliable Elms Schoolboy to come to my assistance today ...

Today's takings £587.63 (that's £618.56 less 5% commission); loss of £324.75; net
profit on the day of £262.88 ...

The bank is now £9198.68 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £262.88
Tomorrow's bank: £9198.68
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.94%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 9.61%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 206.62%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67%


March strike-rate: 239 wins from 286 selections = 83.57%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1402 wins from 1673 selections = 83.8%

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You make the game look very easy Maria.

well done

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The Hundred-And-Seventy-Seventh Day ... Thursday 30th March ...

One of those unpleasant, relatively high-risk days with not many selections when I
just hope somehow to get through the day without an accident ... ???

I'm laying these ...

Shiny Thing 2.10 Wincanton ...


Sole Agent 2.10 Wincanton ...
Darker Than Blue 3.05 Lingfield ...
Christopher 3.50 Wincanton ...
Katchit 4.10 Lingfield ...
Patternmaker 5.15 Lingfield ...
Berti Bertolini 5.45 Lingfield ...

Good luck! ;D

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Results Update: day 177 ...

Shiny Thing 2.10 Wincanton ... 4/1, 5.1, £57.99 ;D


Sole Agent 2.10 Wincanton ... 6/1, 7.4, £57.99 ;D
Darker Than Blue 3.05 Lingfield ... 20/1 (opened 9/1), 11.0, £38.66 ;D
Christopher 3.50 Wincanton ... 3/1, 4.8, £57.99 ;D
Katchit 4.10 Lingfield ... 11/4, 4.8, £57.99 ;D
Patternmaker 5.15 Lingfield ... 7/1, 11.0, £38.66 ;D
Berti Bertolini 5.45 Lingfield ... 9/1, 10.5, £38.66 ;D

Comments:

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Got away with it, today (feels like) ... today's takings £330.54 (that's £347.94 less 5%

commission); no losses ...

The bank is now £9529.22 and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Last day of the month coming up tomorrow - this month has felt so difficult but only

one more day to survive it now! ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £8392.00
Profit/(loss) today: £330.54
Tomorrow's bank: £9529.22
Tomorrow's stakes: £96.65, £57.99 and £38.66

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.59%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.55%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 217.64%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100% 8)


March strike-rate: 246 wins from 293 selections = 83.96%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1409 wins from 1680 selections = 83.87%

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Is that 10k

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Results Update: day 179 ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by favs

Is that 10k

I don't always manage to keep it when I've reached it, but for now, anyway ...

Urban Warrior 2.30 Southwell ... 3/10, 1.4, £97.86

Stagecoach Opal 2.50 Kelso ... 8/1, 11.0, £39.14

Mr Prickle 3.20 Kelso ... 5/1, 6.6, £58.71

Tag Team 3.30 Southwell ... 11/2, 7.0, £58.71

Diane's Choice 3.40 Lingfield ... 5/1, 7.4, £58.71

Easy Air 4.10 Lingfield ... 10/11, 2.0, £97.86

Shares 4.20 Kelso ... 11/2, 6.8, £58.71

Titus Lumpus 4.40 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £58.71

Mister Incredible 5.00 Southwell ... 6/1, 7.4, £58.71

Doctor Dennis 5.30 Southwell ... 9/2, 6.4, £58.71

Comments:
Today's takings £520.57 (that's £547.97 less 5% commission); loss of £97.86; net
profit on the day of £422.71 ...

So the bank has now reached a new high point at £10209.01 ...

And that means new stakes tomorrow, which will be £102.09, £61.25 and £40.83 ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)
Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £422.71
Tomorrow's bank: £10209.01
Tomorrow's stakes: £102.09, £61.25 and £40.83

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.32%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 4.32%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 240.3%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%


April strike-rate: 9 wins from 10 selections = 90%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1424 wins from 1696 selections = 83.96%

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well done maria

great bit of work

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Now for the next 10K

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Well done Maria

And you deserve every penny

GREG ;D

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Oooh, thank you! ;D

Tuesday 4th April ... sorry, but I'm really not laying today: I have very, very few
possibilities at Warwick, and for laying I really don't much like heavy going
(Pontefract) or banded races (Southwell: it seems to me that in these banded races, a
lot of the horses don't ever seem to manage two or three consecutive similar runs, so
that makes it terribly difficult for me to try to "predict" what can happen. I'm not
suddenly dropping banded AW races from the laying system, but today just looks
particularly difficult, and in combination with heavy going at Pontefract and very few

selections at Warwick, that makes it a sneaky day off ...) ... :

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Great thread maria great profit top lady and fantastic smileys too ;D

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I see, trying to hold on to your money, Maria? It looks really good so far. At this rate
you should easily make
£15,000 clear. I am certain you will make it!

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Ye Olde Hundredde-And-Eightiethe Day ... Wednesday 5th April ...

Quite a few to lay today ... :-\

Double M 2.20 Kempton ...


Fuss 2.30 Exeter ...
The Jailer 2.50 Kempton ...
Carl's Boy 3.10 Hereford ...
Hill Forts Henry 3.10 Hereford ...
Double Ransom 3.20 Kempton ...
Eljay's Boy 3.40 Hereford ...
Mandica 3.40 Hereford ...
Supreme Tadgh 3.40 Hereford ...
Waltzing Beau 4.00 Exeter ...
Dun An Doras 4.30 Exeter ...
Ede'iff 4.40 Hereford ...
Equilibria 4.50 Kempton ...
Inishturk 5.10 Hereford ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 180 ...

Double M 2.20 Kempton ... 9/1, 10.5, £40.83

Fuss 2.30 Exeter ... 8/1, 11.0, £40.83

The Jailer 2.50 Kempton ... 13/2, 8.8, £40.83

Carl's Boy 3.10 Hereford ... 15/2, 11.0, £40.83

Hill Forts Henry 3.10 Hereford ... 13/2, 8.4, £40.83

Double Ransom 3.20 Kempton ... 9/1, 11.0, £40.83

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Eljay's Boy 3.40 Hereford ... 9/1, 9.8, £40.83

Mandica 3.40 Hereford ... 8/1, 11.0, £40.83

Supreme Tadgh 3.40 Hereford ... 11/2, 6.8, £61.25

Waltzing Beau 4.00 Exeter ... 6/1, 6.0, £61.25

Dun An Doras 4.30 Exeter ... 9/2, 7.4, £61.25

Ede'iff 4.40 Hereford ... 9/1, 11.0, £40.83

Equilibria 4.50 Kempton ... 4/1, 7.0, £61.25


Inishturk 5.10 Hereford ... non-runner

Comments:
Today's takings £543.05 (that's £571.64 less 5% commission); nasty loss of £302.14;
net profit on the day of £240.91 ...

So the bank has now reached a new high point at £10449.92 ...

New stakes tomorrow: £104.49, £62.70 and £41.80 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £240.91
Tomorrow's bank: £10449.92
Tomorrow's stakes: £104.49, £62.70 and £41.80

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.36%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 6.78%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 248.33%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 13 selections = 92.31%


April strike-rate: 21 wins from 23 selections = 91.3%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1436 wins from 1709 selections = 84.03%, which I
really didn't expect, and it's significantly better than the same point the previous year,
but I still expect this to average out at less than 84% by the end of the year ...

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Well done, Maria, another profitable day!

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hi Maria
Thank you for such a good thread and all the effort you have put in.I have been laying
horses since december and now check your selections everyday.Do you find as form
settels out say july time your lays become more succesful or do you find from your
records that you cannot pinpoint good from bad months.i do not copy your selections

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as i work between 3.0 and 7.0 on the exchanges and lay to a fix stake for example if
my betting bank is 2300 pounds i multply this figure by .67% on the 2300 pounds this
would be £15.41 p if i laid a horse at 5.0 i would pay out £61.64p.The figure for laying
goes up and down with the bank.
one thing that gives me confidence is that if you lay the same horse i lay 15 out of 15
so far 100%

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Awesome thread Maria - well done on new high point of bank

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Oooh, thank you ... it's only a lucky run really: I can have some terrible runs as well,

you know! ... > I always worry that people wait for a really good run
and then they think "Ok, I trust this thread, I will start backing them now" and they
catch a bad period and get put off, and then stop before the next good run ... it's
terribly easy to "follow" something that's making profits and make losses yourself, I
know ... :-[ :-\

... which is why I always say "patience and discipline" and I'm saying it to myself as

much as to anyone else, of course ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsbunney

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Do you find as form settels out say july time your lays become more succesful or do
you find from your records that you cannot pinpoint good from bad months.

Honestly I haven't done it for long enough to know this ... last "year" (I mean
September 04 to 05) was my first complete and reliable year. March and April were
both bad months.

I did better from June to September than for any other 4-month period, but
I think that this was just because my system produces more selections at this time of
the year than at other times. I'm making a constant "edge" (of about 1.5% or
whatever it is?) with the system, I think, so the more selections I can produce, and
the more turnover I have, the more I'm making with it. I don't think there's anything

more subtle or complicated to it than this. But I don't really know ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsbunney

i do not copy your selections as i work between 3.0 and 7.0 on the exchanges and
lay to a fix stake for example if my betting bank is 2300 pounds i multply this figure
by .67% on the 2300 pounds this would be £15.41 p if i laid a horse at 5.0 i would
pay out £61.64p.The figure for laying goes up and down with the bank.

Yes; I understand. My father does about the same thing as you (but with a very
different and wider price-range).

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsbunney

one thing that gives me confidence is that if you lay the same horse i lay 15 out of
15 so far 100%

Oooh, I hope that holds up! But somehow I doubt it ... 15 selections is really nothing,
you know ... but I'm still pleased to hear it and I'll really be interested in seeing

further figures when you have them ...

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-First Day ... Thursday 6th April ...

No All-Weather today ... :'(

And a big, difficult meeting at Aintree, which seems nearly as hard as Cheltenham was

...

So, not quite so many to lay here today ... :-[

Fool Me 2.10 Leicester ...


Penny's Crown 2.20 Taunton ...
Coalite 2.45 Leicester ...
Fair Along 3.10 Aintree ...
The Composer 3.30 Taunton ...
Mansony 4.20 Aintree ...
Yeoman Sailor 5.15 Taunton ...
Commando Scott 5.40 Leicester ...
Adare Prince 5.50 Taunton ...

Good luck today! ...

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Results Update: day 181 ...

Fool Me 2.10 Leicester ... 7/1, 11.0, £41.80

Penny's Crown 2.20 Taunton ... 15/2, 6.6, £62.70

Coalite 2.45 Leicester ... 4/1, 4.8, £62.70

Fair Along 3.10 Aintree ... 9/2, 5.7, £62.70

The Composer 3.30 Taunton ... 8/1, 9.6, £41.80

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Mansony 4.20 Aintree ... 6/1, 7.4, £62.70
Yeoman Sailor 5.15 Taunton ... non-runner

Commando Scott 5.40 Leicester ... 11/2, 7.4, £62.70


Adare Prince 5.50 Taunton ... non-runner

Comments:
Got away with it today (apart from the non-runners at Taunton) ... today's takings

£377.24 (that's £397.10 less 5% commission); no losses ...

So the bank has now reached a new high point at £10827.16 ...

New stakes tomorrow: £108.27, £64.96 and £43.30 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £377.24
Tomorrow's bank: £10827.16
Tomorrow's stakes: £108.27, £64.96 and £43.30

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.61%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 10.64%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 260.91%

Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 7 selections = 100%


April strike-rate: 28 wins from 30 selections = 93.33% (it won't last!!)
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1443 wins from 1716 selections = 84.09% (you
can put money on this dropping back to something between 83 and 84% - if
you like spreadbetting, go short at 84.09 with a tight stop and you won't
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Congrats on another good day.

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Well done Maria, you have a new fan , me !--have only been on this site for a few
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operating your system-- keep up the good work
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Not bad Maria, not bad at all!

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Second Day ... Friday 7th April ...

A bit nervous of Aintree, but what can you do? ... ???

Anyway, eleven today: I'm laying these ...

Agnes Pearl 2.55 Southwell ... (there's so little liquidity for this race at the moment
that I'm not certain how anyone can back or lay anything, but that will doubtless
change ... ) ...
Central House 3.10 Aintree ...
Fondmort 3.10 Aintree ...
The Grey Man 4.05 Southwell ...
Conna Castle 4.20 Aintree ...
Tullochrome 4.30 Lingfield ...
Otis B Driftwood 4.40 Southwell ...
Lacdoudal 4.55 Aintree ...
Star Magnitude 5.05 Lingfield ...
Royal Axminster 5.15 Southwell ...
Phar Bleu 5.30 Aintree ...

Good luck today!

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Results Update: day 182 ...

Agnes Pearl 2.55 Southwell ... 16/1, op 9/1, 11.0 £43.40

Central House 3.10 Aintree ... 7/1, 8.4, £43.30

Fondmort 3.10 Aintree ... 6/1, 7.4, £64.96

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The Grey Man 4.05 Southwell ... 8/1, 7.4, £64.96

Conna Castle 4.20 Aintree ... 9/2, 7.0, £64.96

Tullochrome 4.30 Lingfield ... 11/1, 11.0, £43.30

Otis B Driftwood 4.40 Southwell ... 15/2, 8.8, £43.30

Lacdoudal 4.55 Aintree ... 13/2, 7.2, £64.96

Star Magnitude 5.05 Lingfield ... 7/1, 8.6, £43.30

Royal Axminster 5.15 Southwell ... 15/2, 5.8, £64.96

Phar Bleu 5.30 Aintree ... 8/1, 11.0, £43.30

Comments:
Just one nasty accident turned what could have been a brilliant day into just an ok

day ... but that's laying ...

Today's takings £514.23 (that's £541.30 less 5% commission); nasty loss of £329.08
brings that down to a net profit of £185.15 on the day ... sounds great, I know, but
now the bank's building up that's actually only 1.71% ...

Still, the bank has now reached a new high point at £11012.31 ...

New stakes tomorrow: £110.12, £66.07 and £44.04 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £185.15
Tomorrow's bank: £11012.31
Tomorrow's stakes: £110.12, £66.07 and £44.04

Bank increase/(loss) today: 1.71%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.53%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 267.08%

Today's strike-rate: 10 wins from 11 selections = 90.91%


April strike-rate: 38 wins from 41 selections = 92.68%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1453 wins from 1727 selections =
84.13% (temporarily!)

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Maria
I keep thinking one day your going to get hammered but you never do

Moneymaking machine !

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I wish! No, I can get hammered too ... very occasionally I lose about 9% or 10% of

the bank in a day and then it can take a month or more to get it back ... :P :

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Third Day ... Saturday 8th April ...

Not so much today, for a Saturday ... :-\

Mrs Crossy 1.40 Lingfield ...


Noble Request 1.45 Aintree ...
Neveesou 1.45 Aintree ...
Al Eile 2.50 Aintree ...
Mickey Pearce 3.35 Chepstow ...
Cape Of Storms 3.50 Lingfield ...
Burton Ash 4.30 Lingfield ...
Five Alley 4.45 Chepstow ...
Mars Rock 5.15 Chepstow ...

Good luck today! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 183 ...

Mrs Crossy 1.40 Lingfield ... 10/1, 11.0, £44.04

Noble Request 1.45 Aintree ... 9/1, 10.5, £44.04

Neveesou 1.45 Aintree ... 13/2, 9.6, £44.04

Al Eile 2.50 Aintree ... 10/3, 4.5, £66.07

Mickey Pearce 3.35 Chepstow ... 12/1, 11.0, £44.04

Cape Of Storms 3.50 Lingfield ... 11/2, 7.4, £66.07

Burton Ash 4.30 Lingfield ... 6/1, 7.4, £66.07

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Five Alley 4.45 Chepstow ... 13/2, 7.4, £66.07

Mars Rock 5.15 Chepstow ... 6/4, 2.6, £110.12

Comments:
Yesterday's comment will do here: "Just one nasty accident turned what could have

been a brilliant day into just an ok day ... but that's laying" ...

Today's takings £418.41 (that's £440.44 less 5% commission); nasty loss of £176.19
on the last one brings that down to a net profit of £242.22 on the day ... well, it's a bit
better than yesterday and it all adds up ...

The bank has now reached a new high point at £11254.53 ...

New stakes tomorrow: £112.54, £67.52 and £45.01 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £242.22
Tomorrow's bank: £11254.53
Tomorrow's stakes: £112.54, £67.52 and £45.01

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.2%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 15.00%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 275.15%

Today's strike-rate: 8 wins from 9 selections = 88.89%


April strike-rate: 46 wins from 50 selections = 92.0%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1461 wins from 1736 selections = 84.16% [b]

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You're still going stong Maria, Brilliant ;D

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Fourth Day ... Sunday 9th April ...

I'm laying these ...

Beautiful Night 2.50 Market Rasen ...


Pontiff 3.10 Worcester ...
Pardini 3.40 Worcester ...
Sailor Ahoy 3.40 Worcester ...
Emmasflora 3.50 Market Rasen ...
Rosie Redman 4.00 Kelso ...
Kercabellec 4.20 Market Rasen ...
Winnie Wild 4.30 Kelso ...
Autograph 5.20 Market Rasen ...
Single Handed 5.20 Market Rasen ...
Laertes 5.30 Kelso ...

Good luck today! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 184 ...

Beautiful Night 2.50 Market Rasen ... 7/1, 7.4, £67.52

Pontiff 3.10 Worcester ... 3/1, 5.0, £67.52

Pardini 3.40 Worcester ... 8/1, 9.4 £67.52

Sailor Ahoy 3.40 Worcester ... 7/1, 7.4, £67.52

Emmasflora 3.50 Market Rasen ... 7/2, 7.0, £67.52

Rosie Redman 4.00 Kelso ... 7/1, 8.2, £45.01

Kercabellec 4.20 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 6.2, £67.52

Winnie Wild 4.30 Kelso ... 9/1, 8.4, £45.01

Autograph 5.20 Market Rasen ... 9/2 op 7/2, 4.6, £67.52

Single Handed 5.20 Market Rasen ... 4/1, 6.2, £67.52

Laertes 5.30 Kelso ... 9/1, 11.0, £45.01

Comments:
Stupidly, I did lay Autgraph even after all the non-runners; it opened at 7/2 so wasn't

quite as painful as it might have been, anyway ...

But still a losing day, of course ...

Today's takings £513.14 (that's £540.15 less 5% commission); but the two nasty
losses add up to £567.14 and that means a net loss today, of £54 ... and tomorrow's
stake are therefore unchanged ... :'(

The bank has just slipped back today to £11200.53 ... >

In the long run, my strike-rate over an enormous number of selections with this
system has always worked out at between 83% and 84%. I have no reason to think
that's going to change. At the moment it's just over 84%, and as always, some losing
days won't surprise me at all, though I'm as confident as I can be that the overall
trend will be onwards and upwards, as Wolf puts it! ... :-*

For anyone "following" these who understandably hasn't read the whole
thread, please appreciate that there can and will be losing months with this

system, not just losing weeks and days. Laying is a long term business ...

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Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)
Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: (£54.00)
Tomorrow's bank: £11200.53
Tomorrow's stakes: £112.54, £67.52 and £45.01

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.48%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 14.45%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 273.35%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 11 selections = 81.82%


April strike-rate: 55 wins from 61 selections = 90.16%

Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1470 wins from 1747 selections = 84.14% ...

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Keep up the good work, Maria.

I know nothing about laying, (though I ought to be laying my own selections LOL ;D),
but I see no reason for the disclaimer.

Your persistence - and results - are evidence enough!! Enjoyable stuff.

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Thanks very much, Marky ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marky

I see no reason for the disclaimer.

I get nervous that people wait for a really good run and then join in and lay the same
ones as me (but maybe without following the integral staking) and can easily catch a

losing period, get disillusioned and drop out, only to miss the next good run ...

I know that's their responsibility and not mine, but I still worry about it, especially
because I put actual and real amounts of money in my posts. I really prefer,
generally, to talk about "points" rather than "pounds" for a thread like this, but it's not
very honest to do that with laying (in fact it's what "commercial tipsters" do, but they
usually use starting-price and don't allow for commission, which is enormous given
the high turnover - people don't realise how easily not including commission can make
the difference between profit and loss!). It's all very well saying (as people do when
backing) "it was available at 8.0 on the exchange" but the truth might be that there
was only £5 available at 8.0, and another £10 at 7.8 and then all the rest at 7.2, or
whatever) ... :-\

So when you're laying, if you're being fully open, it's more honest to give the actual
figures (which I get as close to doing as I can, though still not 100% as discussed
elsewhere in this thread, for a start because I don't really pay 5% commission). But
then I worry that the actual figures will "tempt in" inexperienced people who are not
familiar with the "tricks of the trade" of laying, and they might catch a bad run too ...
:-[

But anyway, thank you for your supportive thoughts ...

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Hello Maria

Like many others I too would like to thank you for all your hard work with your laying
system. Being relatively new to laying I was interested to read your last post which
referred to "tricks of the trade". I would be grateful if you could point me toward
anywhere where I might find some more information on these "tricks"

"Always willing to learn from the Knowledgeable"

Luck & Fortune

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Hi and welcome, Wyefish ... and thanks for your post ...

When I said "tricks of the trade" I was really thinking of the question of how to judge
when to put your lay on: whether to take an early price or wait until as late as
possible. When I started off, my general rule was that favourites tended to shorten
(so I waited, with those) and the other ones I was laying tended to drift (so I took
early prices with those) ... but I've learned a little bit more since then, I think ... but

only a little ... :

I don't lay so many favourites, myself. Only if I'm totally convinced that they are
"value shorties" heavily overbacked by the market ... :-\

The overwhelming majority of mine are between 5/1 and 10/1, and more lengthen

than shorten ...

I think the key thing is to try to learn to interpret the little chart at Betfair and guess
with better than 50/50 accuracy what's going to shorten and what's going to lengthen.
In my opinion, anyone who says that this can only ever be a 50/50 proposition is
being defeatist and very pessimistic (and doesn't understand that it's possible for

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chart traders in banks to make a living from trading financial derivatives, either, which
is not very different from this question) ... ???

One of the psychological advantages of this kind of laying, I've found, is that (with my
figures, anyway), 84% of the time it doesn't matter too much whether you've laid to
the best price or not. If you lay to fixed liability (which many people say is "safer" and
"better" although their reasons don't always stand up to examination and are
sometimes themselves based on fallacies or invalid assumptions), it matters very

much 84% of the time instead of 16% of the time ...

But to answer your question (finally!), there's a little paperback which I found very
helpful indeed. It's called "Lay, Back, and Think of Winning" and it's by Nigel Paul. I
bought it from Amazon for a few pounds but I'm sure it's available from other places

too ...

Good luck! ... 8)

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Hello again Maria

Many thanks for you speedy and comprehensive answer. It's a great help (and,for
what it's worth, I think that your staking system makes good sense and I use it
myself).

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Bloody Hell M Nerves of steel.

Roman Quest is my only one today

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Viva

Nerves of steel.

Not at all; just youth, inexperience and naivety (which I might have spelled wrongly

too) ...

Good luck with Roman Quest, anyway (certainly looks a dodgy old stinker to me, and I

fancy Gavarnie Beau and Psycho Cat in that race too ... ) ...

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Results Update: day 186 ...

Saltrio 2.00 Fontwell ... 13/2, 7.2, £69.27

Eager Lover 2.10 Bath ... 7/1, 7.4, £69.27

Mr Klick 2.20 Folkestone ... 13/2, 10.5, £46.18

Matthew Muroto 2.30 Fontwell ... 9/2, 5.9, £69.27

Bobby Rose 2.50 Folkestone ... 10/1, 10.5, £46.18

Roman Quest 2.50 Folkestone ... 6/1, 6.8, £69.27

Screenplay 3.00 Fontwell ... 9/1, 11.0 £46.18

Mr Boo 3.30 Fontwell ... 8/1, 9.4, £46.18

Levin 3.40 Bath ... 16/1!, 10.0, £46.18

Young Dude 4.00 Fontwell ... 3/1, 6.4, £69.27

Red Rudy 4.20 Folkestone ... 13/2, 7.4, £69.27

Aylmer Road 4.40 Bath ... non-runner :

General Flumpa 4.50 Folkestone ... 15/2, 9.8, £46.18

Trigger The Light 5.00 Fontwell ... 8/1, 7.2, £69.27

Seven No Trumps 5.10 Bath ... 11/2, 6.4, £69.27

Comments:
I've just learnt from another thread that the word to describe these situations is
apparently "bugger" (we actually say something a bit stronger where I come from, but

that EC's a real gentleman, you know ...) ...

Today's nasty losses added up to £789.69, which wasn't too thrilling ... especially
because the takings were only £680.00 (that's £715.79 less 5% commission), leaving

a net loss on the day of £109.69 ...

Well, we have losing days, and today was one of them ... :-X

The bank has now slipped back to £11436.32, so tomorrow's stakes are unchanged

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...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: (£109.69)
Tomorrow's bank: £11436.32
Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.95%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.86%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 281.21%

Today's strike-rate: 12 wins from 14 selections = 85.71%


April strike-rate: 83 wins from 93 selections = 89.25%

Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1498 wins from 1779 selections = 84.2% ...

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Seventh Day ... Wednesday 12th April ...

Hoping to recover yesterday's losses, but there are not quite so many selections today

... :

Donna's Double 2.20 Catterick ...


Mannikko 2.40 Nottingham ...
Kaluana Court 2.50 Catterick ...
Stamford Street 3.00 Lingfield ...
Haatmey 3.30 Lingfield ...
Shaunas Vision 3.30 Lingfield ...
Dancing Bay 4.10 Nottingham ...
Quantum Leap 4.30 Lingfield ...
Firesong 4.40 Nottingham ...

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Unique Moment 4.50 Catterick ...
Synonymy 4.50 Catterick ...
Dora's Green 5.20 Catterick ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 187 ...

Donna's Double 2.20 Catterick ... 8/1, 9.5 £46.18

Mannikko 2.40 Nottingham ... 2/1, 2.9, £115.46

Kaluana Court 2.50 Catterick ... 9/1, 11.0, £46.18

Stamford Street 3.00 Lingfield ... 8/1, 9.6, £46.18

Haatmey 3.30 Lingfield ... 7/1, 7.4, £69.27

Shaunas Vision 3.30 Lingfield ... 4/1, 5.4, £69.27

Dancing Bay 4.10 Nottingham ... 6/1, 5.8, £69.27

Quantum Leap 4.30 Lingfield ... 15/2, 8.8, £46.18

Firesong 4.40 Nottingham ... 7/1, 7.4, £69.27

Unique Moment 4.50 Catterick ... 7/1, 8.2, £46.18

Synonymy 4.50 Catterick ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27

Dora's Green 5.20 Catterick ... 16/1, 11.0, £46.18

Comments:

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Eeeewwwwwww ... one of the worst days for a while ...

Today's nasty losses add up to £1029.82 (which is scarily more money than I started
laying with as a bank a couple of years ago) ... and the takings were only £548.40
(that's £577.26 less 5% commission), leaving a huge net loss on the day of £452.56

...

So the bank has now slipped back to £10983.76, and tomorrow's stakes are
unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: (£452.56)
Tomorrow's bank: £10983.76
Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18

Bank increase/(loss) today: (3.96%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 12.24%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 266.13%

Today's strike-rate: 9 wins from 12 selections = 75%


April strike-rate: 92 wins from 105 selections = 87.62%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1507 wins from 1791 selections = 84.14%

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Eighth Day ... Thursday 13th April ...

Linning Wine 2.40 Wolverhampton ...


Nayodabayo 3.00 Ludlow ...
Its Wallce Jnr 3.20 Wincanton ...
City of Manchester 3.30 Ludlow ...

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Flirty Jill 3.50 Wincanton ...
Toulouse 4.00 Ludlow ...
Bartin Hill 4.20 Wincanton ...
Maljimar 4.30 Ludlow ...
Royal Amnesty 4.40 Wolverhampton ...
Anemix 4.50 Wincanton ...
Eskimo Jack 5.00 Ludlow ...
Lord Nellerie 5.00 Ludlow ...
Raslan 5.10 Wolverhampton ...
Lady Orpen 5.15 Tipperary ...
Warsaw Lady 6.15 Tipperary ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 188 ...

Linning Wine 2.40 Wolverhampton ... 8/1, 9.8, £46.18

Nayodabayo 3.00 Ludlow ... 5/1, 5.8, £69.27

Its Wallce Jnr 3.20 Wincanton ... 12/1, 9.6, £46.18

City of Manchester 3.30 Ludlow ... 11/2, 7.2, £69.27

Flirty Jill 3.50 Wincanton ... 7/2, 5.2, £69.27

Toulouse 4.00 Ludlow ... 8/1, 10.5, £46.18

Bartin Hill 4.20 Wincanton ... 15/2, 11.0, £46.18

Maljimar 4.30 Ludlow ... 5/1, 5.55, £69.27

Royal Amnesty 4.40 Wolverhampton ... 9/2, 5.6, £69.27

Anemix 4.50 Wincanton ... 4/1, 5.2, £69.27

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Eskimo Jack 5.00 Ludlow ... 9/1, 11.0, £46.18

Lord Nellerie 5.00 Ludlow ... 10/3, 4.8, £69.27

Raslan 5.10 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.4, £69.27

Lady Orpen 5.15 Tipperary ... 11/2, 8.0, £46.18

Warsaw Lady 6.15 Tipperary ... 10/1, 11.0, £46.18

Comments:
Not so great ... still, after a day as nasty as yesterday, a plus is a plus, I suppose ... :-
\

Today's takings were £723.87 (that's £761.97 less 5% commission), but the losses
add up to £641.91 which doesn't leave much of that as profit for the day: just £81.96

... it's going to be a long, slow recovery ...

The bank is now £11065.72, and tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £81.96
Tomorrow's bank: £11065.72
Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18

Bank increase/(loss) today: 0.75%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 13.07%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 268.86%

Today's strike-rate: 13 wins from 15 selections = 86.67%


April strike-rate: 105 wins from 120 selections = 87.5%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1520 wins from 1806 selections = 84.16%

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The Hundred-And-Eighty-Ninth Day ... Saturday 15th April ...

Oooh, another dodgy Saturday ... don't they come round quickly? ...

I'm laying these ...

Wee Dinns 2.20 Newton Abbot ...


Pure Palatial 2.30 Cork ...
Jack Durrance 2.50 Newton Abbot ...
Nifty Roy 3.00 Carlisle ...
Spring Grove 3.20 Newton Abbot ...
Hever Road 3.20 Newton Abbot ...
Jericho III 3.25 Haydock ...
Silver Knight 3.30 Carlisle ...
Dungarvans Choice 3.30 Carlisle ...
Caribbean 3.50 Leopardstown ...
Barrons Pike 4.05 Carlisle ...
Riverside Dancer 4.15 Kempton ...
Nagano 4.20 Newton Abbot ...
Come Out Fighting 4.50 Kempton ...
Sandton City 4.50 Leopardstown ...
Rude Health 4.55 Newton Abbot ...
Joyrider 5.05 Haydock ...
Cockspur 5.35 Haydock ...

Good luck today! ...

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Results Update: day 189 ...

Wee Dinns 2.20 Newton Abbot ... 5/1, 7.0, £69.27

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Pure Palatial 2.30 Cork ... 7/1, 10.0, £46.18

Jack Durrance 2.50 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 9.0, £46.18

Nifty Roy 3.00 Carlisle ... 8/1, 9.0, £46.18

Spring Grove 3.20 Newton Abbot ... 7/1, 6.0, £69.27

Hever Road 3.20 Newton Abbot ... 13/2, 8.0, £46.18

Jericho III 3.25 Haydock ... 9/2, 6.8, £69.27

Silver Knight 3.30 Carlisle ... 7/1, 11.0, £46.18

Dungarvans Choice 3.30 Carlisle ... 7/2, 4.8, £69.27

Caribbean 3.50 Leopardstown ... 4/1, 6.6, £69.27

Barrons Pike 4.05 Carlisle ... 7/1, 10.5, £46.18

Riverside Dancer 4.15 Kempton ... 9/4, 3.45, £115.46

Nagano 4.20 Newton Abbot ... 11/2, 6.6, £69.27

Come Out Fighting 4.50 Kempton ... 9/2, 7.2, £69.27

Sandton City 4.50 Leopardstown ... 11/2, 7.4, £69.27

Rude Health 4.55 Newton Abbot ... 5/1, 5.6, £69.27

Joyrider 5.05 Haydock ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27

Cockspur 5.35 Haydock ... 11/2, 6.8, £69.27

Comments:
Today's takings were £1009.04 (that's £1062.15 less 5% commission), but the losses
add up to £692.70; still, that leaves a net £316.34 as profit for the day ...

The bank is now £11382.06, which is a move in the right direction, anyway; and
tomorrow's stakes are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £316.34
Tomorrow's bank: £11382.06
Tomorrow's stakes: £115.46, £69.27 and £46.18

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.86%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 16.3%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 279.4%

Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 18 selections = 88.89%


April strike-rate: 121 wins from 138 selections = 87.68%

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Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1536 wins from 1824 selections = 84.21%

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The Hundred-And-Ninetieth Day ... Sunday 16th April ...

Dangerous day, today ... shorties and stuff ...

Never So Blue 2.10 Towcester ...


Stepaside 2.20 Musselburgh ...
Jack Rackham 2.20 Musselburgh ...
Captain's Legacy 2.30 Plumpton ...
Whinhill House 2.50 Musselburgh ...
Dirty Sanchez 3.00 Plumpton ...
Whistle Blowing 3.10 Towcester ...
Almavara 3.10 Towcester ...
Denvale 4.40 Towcester ...
Ballyhurry 4.50 Musselburgh ...
Major Bell 5.00 Plumpton ...
Fieldsofclover 5.00 Plumpton ...
Bradley Boy 5.10 Towcester ...

Good luck today! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 190 ...

Never So Blue 2.10 Towcester ... 9/1, 7.4, £69.27

Stepaside 2.20 Musselburgh ... 5/1, 6.6, £69.27

Jack Rackham 2.20 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 11.0, £46.18

Captain's Legacy 2.30 Plumpton ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27

Whinhill House 2.50 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 11.0, £46.18

Dirty Sanchez 3.00 Plumpton ... 9/1, 11.0, £46.18

Whistle Blowing 3.10 Towcester ... 7/4, 2.96, £115.46

Almavara 3.10 Towcester ... 9/2, 5.2, £69.27

Denvale 4.40 Towcester ... 5/2, 3.7, £69.27

Ballyhurry 4.50 Musselburgh ... 12/1, 10.5, £46.18

Major Bell 5.00 Plumpton ... 6/1, 7.4, £69.27


Fieldsofclover 5.00 Plumpton ... non-runner

Bradley Boy 5.10 Towcester ... 2/1, 3.2, £115.46

Comments:
Today's takings were £723.89 (that's £761.99 less 5% commission), but the loss of
£256.30 brings that down to a net £467.59 as profit for the day ...

The bank is now £11849.65, and that's a new high, so we've recovered the lost
ground from the nasty couple of days earlier in the week and can increase the stakes

tomorrow to £118.49, £71.09 and £47.39 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £467.59
Tomorrow's bank: £11849.65
Tomorrow's stakes: £118.49, £71.09 and £47.39 ...

Bank increase/(loss) today: 4.11%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 21.08%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 294.99%

Today's strike-rate: 11 wins from 12 selections = 91.67%


April strike-rate: 132 wins from 150 selections = 88%

Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1547 wins from 1836 selections = 84.26%

Please appreciate that this strike-rate isn't going to last! ... :

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Thats a good two day weekend Maria, congrats.

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Still unbelievable ! This can go on forever !

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Going great M

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Thanks very much for the kind comments ...

Monday 17th (Easter Monday) ... no selections today, sorry ... I really can't get
enthusiastic enough about bank holiday prospects, and laying's too dangerous for a
half-hearted attempt, so I'll have a sneaky day off and await more promising

opportunities ...

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Oneth Day ... Tuesday 18th April ...

Better press on, I suppose ... time to get back to work, here ... :-\

I'm laying these ...

Pescatorio 1.30 Newmarket ...


The Castilian 2.10 Exeter ...
Haunted House 2.20 Chepstow ...
Turnberry Bay 2.55 Chepstow ...
Mostaqeleh 3.10 Newmarket ...
Mill Bank 3.30 Chepstow ...
Twisted Logic 3.55 Exeter ...
Billyandi 4.40 Chepstow ...
Bonny Grey 4.40 Chepstow ...
The Hairy Lemon 4.40 Chepstow ...
Ebtikaar 4.55 Newmarket ...
Cinnamon Line 5.515 Chepstow ...
Ebony Jack 5.15 Chepstow ...
Sissinghurst Storm 5.15 Chepstow ...
Topamendip 5.35 Exeter ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 191 ...

Pescatorio 1.30 Newmarket ... 9/2!!, 3.3, £118.48

The Castilian 2.10 Exeter ... 9/2, 6.6, £71.09

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Haunted House 2.20 Chepstow ... 5/2, 5.1, £71.09

Turnberry Bay 2.55 Chepstow ... 11/2, 7.4, £71.09

Mostaqeleh 3.10 Newmarket ... 5/1, 7.4, £71.09

Mill Bank 3.30 Chepstow ... 13/2, 8.8, £47.39

Twisted Logic 3.55 Exeter ... 7/1, 8.8, £47.39

Billyandi 4.40 Chepstow ... 11/2, 7.0, £71.09

Bonny Grey 4.40 Chepstow ... 4/1, 5.6, £71.09

The Hairy Lemon 4.40 Chepstow ... 5/1, 6.8, £71.09

Ebtikaar 4.55 Newmarket ... 6/1, 6.8, £71.09

Cinnamon Line 5.515 Chepstow ... 9/1, 9.8, £47.39

Ebony Jack 5.15 Chepstow ... 8/1, 10.5, £47.39

Sissinghurst Storm 5.15 Chepstow ... 4/1, 5.2, £71.09

Topamendip 5.35 Exeter ... 7/2, 6.0 £71.09

Comments:
Today's takings were £900.45 (that's £947.85 less 5% commission) and the nasty
loss of £298.58 brings that down to a net £601.87 as profit for the day ...

The bank is now £12451.52, and that's a new high, so we increase the stakes

tomorrow to £124.51, £74.70 and £49.80 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £601.87
Tomorrow's bank: £12451.52
Tomorrow's stakes: £124.51, £74.70 and £49.80

Bank increase/(loss) today: 5.08%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 27.23%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 315.05%

Today's strike-rate: 14 wins from 15 selections = 93.33%


April strike-rate: 146 wins from 165 selections = 88.48%

Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1561 wins from 1851 selections = 84.33%

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Can't understand it, honestly, the overall strike-rate seems to be going up instead of

down ... it won't last! ...

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Amazing results day in day out.


Well done!
Keep them coming!

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A role on TV beckons I think Maria.

Great work

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What on earth are you going to do with all that money? There are only so many pairs
of shoes you can buy lol.
Wonderful, how nicely it is going!

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Twoth Day ... Wednesday 19th April ...

I'm laying these ...

Fairfield Princess 2.00 Newmarket ...


Total Sentiment 2.15 Fairyhouse ...
Oscatello 2.20 Cheltenham ...
Boychuk 2.20 Cheltenham ...
Esprit D'Amour 2.45 Beverley ...
Fork Lightning 2.55 Cheltenham ...
Kew Green 3.10 Newmarket ...
Too Forward 3.30 Cheltenham ...
Kelrev 3.30 Cheltenham ...
Safe Route 3.45 Fairyhouse ...
Desperando Queen 3.45 Fairyhouse ...
Gli Gli 3.45 Fairyhouse ...
Golden Dixie 3.55 Beverley ...
Hasty Prince 4.05 Cheltenham ...
Penny Pictures 4.05 Cheltenham ...
Historic Appeal 4.30 Beverley ...
Pace Shot 5.45 Cheltenham ...

Just the one or two to lay today, as you see ...

Good luck! ...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf

What on earth are you going to do with all that money? There are only so many
pairs of shoes you can buy lol.

Actually this is right ... I must have all the important ones already because I've only
bought 3 pairs of shoes this year! It's the car insurance savings fund, though: I have

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been driving for over a year (though mostly not in the UK) and never had an accident
but you wouldn't believe how much money they charge to insure me, really it's
astonishing, people at home simply don't believe me when I tell them what car

insurance costs over here! ...

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Results Update: day 192 ...

Fairfield Princess 2.00 Newmarket ... 8/1, 10.5, £49.80

Total Sentiment 2.15 Fairyhouse ... 11/2, 7.4, £74.70

Oscatello 2.20 Cheltenham ... 7/1, 8.4, £49.80

Boychuk 2.20 Cheltenham ... 4/1, 4.9, £74.70

Esprit D'Amour 2.45 Beverley ... 7/2, 5.6, £74.70

Fork Lightning 2.55 Cheltenham ... 15/2, 7.2, £74.70

Kew Green 3.10 Newmarket ... 7/1, 9.6, £49.80

Too Forward 3.30 Cheltenham ... 15/2, 11.0, £49.80

Kelrev 3.30 Cheltenham ... 6/1, 7.4, £74.70

Safe Route 3.45 Fairyhouse ... 5/1, 6.8, £74.70

Desperando Queen 3.45 Fairyhouse ... 6/1, 8.4, £49.80

Gli Gli 3.45 Fairyhouse ... 6/1, 8.2, £49.80

Golden Dixie 3.55 Beverley ... 7/1, 8.8, £49.80

Hasty Prince 4.05 Cheltenham ... 6/1, 7.4, £74.70

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Penny Pictures 4.05 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.0, £74.70

Historic Appeal 4.30 Beverley ... 6/1, 7.4, £74.70

Pace Shot 5.45 Cheltenham ... 11/4, 3.45, £124.51

Comments:
Desperando Queen was a particularly unpleasant one for me, because I had also

done a dutch and a reverse forecast on the two who came 2nd and 3rd ...

Anyway, a plus score here today, so I shouldn't complain: today's takings were
£993.51 (that's £1045.81 less 5% commission) and the two nasty losses - one of
them really very unexpected - add up to £727.08, which brings that down to a net
£266.43 as the profit for the day ...

So the bank is now £12717.95, and that's a new high, so we will increase the stakes

tomorrow to £127.17, £76.30 and £50.87 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £266.43
Tomorrow's bank: £12717.95
Tomorrow's stakes: £127.17, £76.30 and £50.87

Bank increase/(loss) today: 2.14%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 29.96%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 323.93%

Today's strike-rate: 15 wins from 17 selections = 88.23%


April strike-rate: 161 wins from 182 selections = 88.46%

Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1576 wins from 1868 selections = 84.37%

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Well done Maria

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Third Day ... Thursday 20th April ...\

Dangerous shorties today ... :

Music by Mozart 1.30 Newmarket ...


Excellent Art 2.00 Newmarket ...
Joseph Locke 2.10 Ripon ...
Amicelli 2.55 Cheltenham ...
Killybegs 3.10 Newmarket ...
Judge 3.45 Newmarket ...
Lindsay 4.05 Cheltenham ...
King Orchisos 4.20 Newmarket ...
Mister Friday 5.15 Cheltenham ...
Gone'n'dunnett 5.35 Ripon ...

Good luck! ... ;D

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Results Update: day 193 ...

Music by Mozart 1.30 Newmarket ... 9/4, 3.45, £127.17

Excellent Art 2.00 Newmarket ... 9/4, 4.0, £76.30

Joseph Locke 2.10 Ripon ... 7/2, 4.9, £76.30

Amicelli 2.55 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.4, £76.30

Killybegs 3.10 Newmarket ... 9/2, 5.2, £76.30

Judge 3.45 Newmarket ... 3/1, 4.7 £76.30


Lindsay 4.05 Cheltenham ... non-runner

King Orchisos 4.20 Newmarket ... 5/2, 5.3, £76.30

Mister Friday 5.15 Cheltenham ... 11/2, 7.0, £76.30

Gone'n'dunnett 5.35 Ripon ... 9/1, 9.6, £50.87

Comments:
A losing day, but only just, and no complaints from me, with that number of
dangerous shorties anyway ... just couldn't find so many selections today, and the
non-runner actually made the difference between a small loss and a potential small
profit ... :-X

Today's takings were £531.56 (that's £559.54 less 5% commission) and the two nasty
losses add up to £549.36, so that means a loss today of £17.80 ...

So the bank is now £12700.15, and the stakes tomorrow are unchanged ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: (£17.80)
Tomorrow's bank: £12700.15
Tomorrow's stakes: £127.17, £76.30 and £50.87

Bank increase/(loss) today: (0.14%)


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 29.77%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 323.33%

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Today's strike-rate: 7 wins from 9 selections = 77.78%
April strike-rate: 168 wins from 191 selections = 87.96%

Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1583 wins from 1877 selections = 84.33%

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Keep up the excellent work, Maria. A seventeen quid loss is not a bad day, really!! ;D

You're making me think about laying, something that doesnt come naturally...

Cheers

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Hello Maria

I only found this page yesterday.

What fantatic results you have from your selections and this staking systemsystem.
Very very impressive. The system is so simple - pure genius!

As the effects of compounding kick in and if your future results follow the same

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pattern (can't see any reason why they shouldn't) then I recon your bank will reach
£100k in just over another 12 months - this will give you two problems 1) how to
spend the winnings! 2) how to get your stakes on.

One question if I may - how do you chose your selections?

Regards

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Hi Delta,

Welcome to EBA and many thanks for honouring this thread with your first post!

...

I'll have to answer your questions a bit later in the day when I've got more time,
though ... :-X

The Hundred-And-Ninety-Fourth Day ... Friday 21st April ...

Just the one or two today, hoping to win it back from yesterday, you understand

...

I'm laying these ...

Blessings Count 2.10 Newbury ...


Menchikov 2.20 Ayr ...
Avertuoso 2.30 Thirsk ...
Armaguedon 2.55 Ayr ...
Boldinor 3.05 Thirsk ...
Grande Roche 3.35 Thirsk ...
Capitana 3.55 Ayr ...
Titnius 4.10 Thirsk ...
Riquewihr 4.10 Thirsk ...
True Night 4.10 Thirsk ...
Fondness 4.20 Newbury ...
Horus 4.30 Ayr ...
Whinwill House 4.40 Thirsk ...
Peopleton Brook 4.40 Thirsk ...

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Trumpita 5.10 Thirsk ...
Olival 5.35 Ayr ...
Derainey 6.15 Sedgefield ...
Supreme Leisure 6.45 Sedgefield ...
Pay Attention 6.45 Sedgefield ...
Pure Brief 7.15 Sedgefield ...
Ton-Chee 7.15 Sedgefield ...
Winds Supreme 7.15 Sedgefield ...
Sybarite Chief 7.45 Sedgefield ...

... and that's missing out the ones that look like being a minimum of 12.0 or 13.0 to

lay! ...

Good luck today! ...

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I've been reluctant to start off this thread, because I'm frightened of its turning out to
be the kiss of death ... you have what you imagine to be a good system and start to
explain it in public, and suddenly a wheel comes off ...* ???

I've come up with a laying system ...* ;D

I'll record its daily selections and results in this thread ... until I get jeered off, anyway
...* :-[

I'll try to post each day's selections by 1.00pm at the very latest, but I don't think I'll
often manage to post them the night before.

Comments, general heckling and questions (but not about the details of my selection-
process, please) are very welcome as we go along, but I'd better start off with
something like an "FAQ" ...* 8)

STAKING: I want to minimise risks and maximise returns, of course (who doesn't?),
which are always pretty difficult, not to say conflicting, objectives to combine. Like all
forms of betting, the selections are only a part of the story. Betting on horses is

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notorious for people being able to have good selections and still lose money through
poor money management. With laying in particular, IMHO the commonest reasons for
failure are under-funding (not having a bank big enough for what you're trying to do)
and disillusionment (getting too easily fed up with an inevitable losing run).

This isn't the time or place to get involved in a big discussion about whether the
selections or the money management are more important - it suffices to say that
without both aspects being good, sensible, reliable and proven, it's not possible to

make steady profits ...*

The two common staking methods for laying are:-

(i) Laying to a fixed stake: I don't use this for two main reasons: first, the
"accidents" are proportionally too expensive; secondly, it seems to me that it fails
adequately to make the profits "deserved" after successfully identifying and laying
shorter-priced losers.

(ii) Laying to a fixed liability: I don't use this either, because it's inherently
mathematically unsound - it ignores the fact that accidents are far more likely to
happen at the lower end of the scale: if I lay a 2/1 favourite (i.e. I lay it at an
exchange price of 3.0), the overall risk of that bet losing (the horse winning) is of
course higher than one which was a lay at 8.0 (7/1).

Instead I try to combine the best of both worlds by using what looks like a
complicated mixture of the two systems mentioned above, but it's actually perfectly

straightforward ...*

My staking system: I lay in three distinct exchange-price-bands of fixed backer's


stakes.

At one end of the scale, if the exchange price available about the horse is less than
3.5 (less than 5/2), I lay to a stake of 1% of my current laying system bank. At the
other end, if the price is between 7.5 and 11 (the latter figure being my cut-off: I
don't lay anything higher than 10/1), I lay to a stake of 0.4% of my current bank. If
the price is in-between these two bands (i.e. prices of 3.6 to 7.4), then I lay to a
stake of 0.6% of my bank. As they say in those TV infommercials, "But wait - there's
more!": I also combine this staking plan with a ratchet system (see below).

The are two other advantages with this staking system: first, the practicality of the
situation when using the exchanges is that the backer's stake (rather than one's own
liability) is the value which has to be typed into the little box on the screen, and this
makes it quick and simple to do; secondly, nearly a year's figures have proven to me
that this method minimises the variability of the results, and that's very, very

important ...*

To summarise, with examples based on a starting bank of £3,000 (if you're reckless
enough to try them, you can scale up or down proportionally to your own bank) ...

Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (my liability under £75)

Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (my liability £46.80
- £115.20)

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Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (my liability £78 -
£132)

Ratchet System

If making profits, I increase all stakes in proportion to the bank on a daily basis. (I'd
love to do it on a bet-by-bet basis, but that would assume that anyone following the
system can be glued to their screen all afternoon, which isn't realistic. If you're
working for a living - shock horror: please excuse my language! - you need to be able
to put the bets on your lunch-hour.)

This means that at the end of each day, the next day's "current bank" figure is known.
For example, if there's a good start and the £3,000 bank grows, then the stakes are
worked out as proportion of the new higher figure, and increase slightly the next
day. This may sound insignificant but it makes a huge difference to the

results ...*

In contrast, after a losing day, I don't reduce stakes unless and until 35% of the
highest level of the bank is lost, when I essentially re-start using the same
percentages, but now of the new "65%-sized bank" ...* :-\

Example: from a £3,000 start, if there's a net loss on the first day, the next day I still
stake as if from a bank of £3,000 (i.e. to backer's stakes of £30, £18 and £12
depending on the price about each selection) until reaching £1,950 when those
backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up
to £3,000 again (or - dare I mention it? - down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss).

The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank. If it happens
(and so far it hasn't - famous last words?!) I'll explain it again.

It may sound a bit complicated but it's actually very simple. Not easy, but very simple

...* :

Please don't imagine that I'm claiming this to be a perfect laying system. There are
one or two anomalies in it, but after lots of analysis and calculation in the early days,
over the last year I've found this system practicable, straightforward and robust. And
that's what matters.

In the next post, I'll complete the "FAQ" and hope to cover the practicalities ...* :-*

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hello maria first time post fantastic thread been watching from the outset but didnt
inaminute win the 7.30

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Hi and welcome, fashmo ... and thanks: he did win it, unfortunately for me. I put the
wrong smiley in and then missed what I'd done in the numbers at the bottom ... :-[

Thanks very much for spotting this quickly before I added on tomorrow's results,

which would have given me a problem! I've corrected it now ...

I shouldn't post so late at night when I'm tired: it makes me even blonder than usual

... :P :-[ :

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Well Done

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BLONDER THAN USUAL ;D ;D ;D

A blind man enters a "Ladies Bar" by mistake.


He finds his way to a bar stool and orders a drink.

After sitting there for a while, he yells to the bartender, "Hey, you wanna hear a
blonde joke?" The bar immediately falls absolutely quiet.

In a very deep, husky voice, the woman next to him says,

"Before you tell that joke, sir, I think it is just fair- giving that you are blind that you
should know five things:

1 - The bartender is a blonde girl.

2 - The bouncer is a blonde girl.

3 - I'm a 6 feet tall, 220 lb. blonde woman with a black belt in karate.

4 - The woman sitting next to me is blonde and is a professional weight lifter.

5 - The lady to your right is a blonde and is a professional wrestler.

Now think about it seriously, Mister. Do you still wanna tell that joke?"

The blind man thinks for a second, shakes his head and declares,

"Nah....Not if I'm gonna have to explain it five times."

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;D Favs

Wonderful stuff M Sorry I didn't put up the Saturday multi, I will put it up next
week.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by favs

Not if I'm gonna have to explain it five times."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viva

Sorry I didn't put up the Saturday multi, I will put it up next week.

Oooh, don't worry; just thought we might encourage some others if we both put one

up ... GL today ...

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Great stuff Maria

What date does this one end ? and will you be carrying on for new season?

Favs : Liked that blonde joke ;D sadly my better half has gone brunette recently, but
she will always be blonde to me ;D

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The Hundred-And-Ninety-Sixth Day ... Sunday 23rd April ...

Dangerous-looking day, today, if you ask me ... I'll be very surprised indeed if we get

through the day without an accident or two or three somewhere ...

I'm laying these ...

Brown Fox 1.50 Wincanton ...


Mikado 2.30 Stratford ...
Alphabetic 3.00 Stratford ...
Dromin Hill Echo 3.00 Sligo ...
Cameron Bridge 3.30 Stratford ...
Joey Tribbiani 3.30 Stratford ...
Smart Savannah 3.30 Stratford ...
Barton Sands 3.40 Kempton ...
Sir Bathwick 3.50 Wincanton ...
Lilac 4.00 Stratford ...
Lisathedaddy 4.10 Kempton ...
Roosters Reunion 4.20 Wincanton ...
Neltina 4.20 Wincanton ...
Wink And Whisper 4.30 Stratford ...
Manawanui 4.50 Wincanton ...
Penny Park 4.50 Wincanton ...
Dhehdaah 5.00 Stratford ...
Ridge Boy 5.15 Leopardstown ...
Bush Maiden 5.15 Leopardstown ...

Good luck today! ...

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Note: of the ones where I'm not matched, I'm expecting to get matched on Barton
Sands with no problem; I'm much less confident about Bush Maiden, and of course I'll
leave it out of the results if it doesn't come anywhere near the cut-off of 11.0 (I might

go to 12.0 myself) ... :

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Results Update: day 196 ...

Brown Fox 1.50 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.4, £59.22

Mikado 2.30 Stratford ... 10/11, 1.98, £148.05

Alphabetic 3.00 Stratford ... 12/1, 10.5, £59.22

Dromin Hill Echo 3.00 Sligo ... 8/1, 11.0, £59.22

Cameron Bridge 3.30 Stratford ... 7/2, 6.0, £88.83

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Joey Tribbiani 3.30 Stratford ... 7/2, 4.5, £88.83

Smart Savannah 3.30 Stratford ... 6/1, 7.4, £88.83

Barton Sands 3.40 Kempton ... 10/1, 11.0, £59.22

Sir Bathwick 3.50 Wincanton ... 5/2, 5.4, £88.83

Lilac 4.00 Stratford ... 5/1, 7.0 £88.83

Lisathedaddy 4.10 Kempton ... 6/1, 7.4, £88.83

Roosters Reunion 4.20 Wincanton ... 5/1, 7.2, £88.83

Neltina 4.20 Wincanton ... 8/1, 9.8, £59.22

Wink And Whisper 4.30 Stratford ... 7/1, 7.4, £88.83

Manawanui 4.50 Wincanton ... 8/1, 11.0, £59.22

Penny Park 4.50 Wincanton ... 9/2, 5.8, £88.83

Dhehdaah 5.00 Stratford ... 13/2, 7.4, £88.83


Ridge Boy 5.15 Leopardstown ... non-runner

Bush Maiden 5.15 Leopardstown ... 6/1, 10.0, £59.22

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Well, an accident or two as promised, but fortunately not at the cost of all the day's
takings ... lays like Mikado are always going to be taking a chance, I suppose, but at
that sort of price you can't start excluding things your system produces, can you

...

Penny Park was also just bad luck; I couldn't possibly avoid this one at all - sorry ... :-
[

Today's takings were £1153.30 (that's £1214.01 less 5% commission) but including
Mikado and Penny Park cost me £571.48, and that brings Sunday's net profit down to
£581.82 ...

So the bank is now £15386.83, and tomorrow's stakes become £153.86, £92.32 and
£61.54 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £581.82
Tomorrow's bank: £15386.83
Tomorrow's stakes: £153.86, £92.32 and £61.54

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.93%

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Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 57.23%

Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 412.89%

Today's strike-rate: 16 wins from 18 selections = 88.89%

April strike-rate: 230 wins from 257 selections = 89.49%


Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1645 wins from 1943 selections = 84.66%

April of last year was really not a good month for me with laying. You really, really do
have to take a long term view with these systems, and not try to draw quick
conclusions. And it looks like even a whole year's results are "quick conclusions" in

some ways ...

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Going as well as ever maria.

Well done

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Ok ... here we go again ... The Hundred-And-Ninety-Seventh-Day ... Monday 24th


April ...

I'm laying these ...

Acuzio 1.50 Wolverhampton ...


Eloquent Rose 2.10 Pontefract ...
Valiant Romeo 2.20 Wolverhampton ...
New Options 2.20 Wolverhampton ...
Edged in Gold 2.20 Wolverhampton ...
Assumethe position 2.30 Hexham ...
Gangsters R Us 2.30 Hexham ...
Try Catch Paddy 3.00 Hexham ...
Machinist 3.10 Pontefract ...
Mr Wolf 3.10 Pontefract ...
Heathyards Joy 3.20 Wolverhampton ...
Tamora 3.20 Wolverhampton ...
Ocean Tide 3.40 Pontefract ...
Danum 3.50 Wolverhampton ...
Monte Rosa 4.00 Hexham ...
Royal Glen 4.00 Hexham ...
Sunderland Echo 4.10 Pontefract ...
Queenies Girl 4.30 Hexham ...
Reel Charmer 5.00 Hexham ...
Donnas Double 5.10 Pontefract ...
Bethany's Boy 5.10 Pontefract ...
Ballybough Eddie 5.15 Taunton ...
It's The Limit 6.15 Taunton ...
Benrajah 6.45 Taunton ...
Glacial Delight 6.45 Taunton ...
Servillia 7.00 Windsor ...
Kinkeel 7.15 Taunton ...
Rhinebird 7.30 Windsor ...
Bonny Boy 7.45 Taunton ...
Strategic Mount 8.00 Windsor ...

There a lot of racing about at the moment, isn't there? ... ;D

Good luck! ...

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Results Update: day 197 ...

Acuzio 1.50 Wolverhampton ... 17/2, 11.0, £61.54

Eloquent Rose 2.10 Pontefract ... 12/1, 10.5, £61.54

Valiant Romeo 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 9/1, 9.0, £61.54

New Options 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 11.0, £61.54

Edged in Gold 2.20 Wolverhampton ... 4/1, 6.7, £92.32

Assumethe position 2.30 Hexham ... 9/1, 9.8, £61.54

Gangsters R Us 2.30 Hexham ... 9/1, 9.2, £61.54

Try Catch Paddy 3.00 Hexham ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £61.54

Machinist 3.10 Pontefract ... 15/2, 7.4, £92.32

Mr Wolf 3.10 Pontefract ... 7/1, 6.4, £92.32

Heathyards Joy 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 12/1, 10.5 £61.54

Tamora 3.20 Wolverhampton ... 5/1, 7.0, £92.32

Ocean Tide 3.40 Pontefract ... 15/2, 9.4, £61.54

Danum 3.50 Wolverhampton ... 14/1, 11.0, £61.54

Monte Rosa 4.00 Hexham ... 16/1!!, 11.0, £61.54

Royal Glen 4.00 Hexham ... 15/2, 10.5, £61.54

Sunderland Echo 4.10 Pontefract ... 10/1, 9.2, £61.54

Queenies Girl 4.30 Hexham ... 11/1, 7.4, £92.32

Reel Charmer 5.00 Hexham ... 9/4, 3.45, £153.86

Donnas Double 5.10 Pontefract ... 10/1, 7.2, £92.32

Bethany's Boy 5.10 Pontefract ... 7/1, 8.8, £61.54

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Ballybough Eddie 5.15 Taunton ... 9/1, 10.0, £61.54

It's The Limit 6.15 Taunton ... 3/1, 5.4, £92.32

Benrajah 6.45 Taunton ... 9.2, 5.2, £92.32

Glacial Delight 6.45 Taunton ... 7/2, 4.4, £92.32

Servillia 7.00 Windsor ... 16/1!, 10.0, £61.54

Kinkeel 7.15 Taunton ... 11/1, 11.0, £61.54

Rhinebird 7.30 Windsor ... 7/1, 8.8, £61.54


Bonny Boy 7.45 Taunton ... non-runner

Strategic Mount 8.00 Windsor ... 9/2, 7.4, £92.32

Comments:
I'm saying nothing ... :-X

Today's takings were £1870.91 (that's £1969.38 less 5% commission) but the three
nasty losses came to £1403.15, and that brings Monday's net profit down to £467.76
...

So the bank is now £15854.59, and tomorrow's stakes become £158.54, £95.12 and
£63.41 ...

Results: (5% commission deducted from all profits)


Original bank: £3000
Bank on 1st of this month: £9786.30
Profit/(loss) today: £467.76
Tomorrow's bank: £15854.59
Tomorrow's stakes: £158.54, £95.12 and £63.41

Bank increase/(loss) today: 3.04%


Bank increase/(loss) month to date: 62%
Bank Increase/(loss) since 3/9/05: 428.49%

Today's strike-rate: 26 wins from 29 selections = 89.66%


April strike-rate: 256 wins from 286 selections = 89.51%
Overall strike-rate (since 3/9/05): 1671 wins from 1972 selections = 84.74%

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Well done again M When your laying that amount you will always get stung by a

few nasty Wasps. Your going gr