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THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES") MARILYN MONROE, ACTRESS (singing): ... square-cut or pear shape, these rocks don't lose their shape. Diamonds are a girl's best friend. (END VIDEO CLIP) LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, memories of Marilyn Monroe, on what would have been her 75th birthday. Nearly four decades after her untimely death her legend lives on. Joining us in Las Vegas, Tony Curtis, who starred with Marilyn Monroe in the classic comedy "Some Like It Hot." In Los Angeles, Jane Russell, Marilyn's co-star in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes." Donald O'Connor -- he was with Marilyn in "There's No Business Like Show Business." Plus, famed photojournalist George Barris, who did Marilyn's final photo shoot. In New York, former "Life" magazine editor Richard Meryman, who interviewed at length just a few weeks before her death; renowned movie producer David Brown, the original producer of Marilyn's last film, "Something's Got to Give"; and James Haspiel, Marilyn's friend and author of a new book, "The Unpublished Marilyn." They're all next on LARRY KING LIVE. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES") CHORUS (singing): But diamonds... MONROE: ... are a girl's best... (MUSIC) ... best friend. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Good evening and welcome to what is a very special edition of LARRY KING LIVE. June 1st, the 75th -- would have been the 75th birthday of the late Marilyn Monroe, and we've assembled seven people, all of whom were intertwined in some way or other with her life. We'll start with Richard Meryman, the former editor of "Life" magazine in our New York bureau, who interviewed Marilyn only a few weeks before her death. Tell us about that interview and how it was set up. What were the circumstances, Richard? RICHARD MERYMAN, FORMER EDITOR, "LIFE": It was to be a piece on fame. I had no real idea

(END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Good evening and welcome to what is a very special edition of LARRY KING LIVE. June 1st, the 75th -- would have been the 75th birthday of the late Marilyn Monroe, and we've assembled seven people, all of whom were intertwined in some way or other with her life. We'll start with Richard Meryman, the former editor of "Life" magazine in our New York bureau, who interviewed Marilyn only a few weeks before her death. Tell us about that interview and how it was set up. What were the circumstances, Richard? RICHARD MERYMAN, FORMER EDITOR, "LIFE": It was to be a piece on fame. I had no real idea how -- what I was going to do. The minute Marilyn started talking I knew instantly that I wanted to reproduce her words like a monologue on the page. She talked with just this tremendous gusto, images tumbling over each other, sometimes not making a lot of sense. A wonderful laugh that started low and ended in this squeak. Gestures, working with her hands, leaning forward, talking with all this vitality. And yet, underneath that was this woman who was having such a lot of trouble with fame and with life in general. She... KING: Did you sense then a sense of depression? MERYMAN: I felt that she was terribly vulnerable, terribly needy, terribly distrustful. She felt betrayed right and left. She felt betrayed by her friends. She talked about how she was beginning to have wonderful friends, and suddenly they would be talking to the press, they would be telling stories to other people. She talked about her co-actors, one he -- or she mentioned who said that -- she didn't name him -- but he had likened kissing her to kissing Hitler. She... KING: In other words, a very honest, refreshing look at a person. MERYMAN: Yes, and she talked about how people would invite her to dinner to brighten up the table, and that she was like a pianist who would perform after dinner, an ornament. KING: Donald -- hold it there, Richard. Donald O'Connor, what was she like to work with? DONALD O'CONNOR, ACTOR; Always found her to be a lot of fun, a lot of joy. She was a gal who was very much like me, who I think, you know, any good performer you've got to be quiet to memorize your lines. She would go off, be quiet, concentrate on what she was doing. But she got it all together, she came back, and we had a lot of fun together, the days I worked with her in the movie. KING: Tony Curtis, what was she like to work with? TONY CURTIS, ACTOR: She was the best. This first guy that spoke doesn't know what he's talking about. KING: It's Richard Meryman... CURTIS: Well, I don't care -- I don't care if it's Sylvia. Let me tell you, they've taken this woman and kind of blown into something that never existed. They keep writing books about her. They keep -- there was a movie out about her called "Blondie" or something. And it's got

that's what this guy implies. She and I were. and she'd just get up and trottle on.. Larry. Marilyn was not that complicated. An interview in a restaurant or spending a weekend somewhere does not give you a clue to what was the madness of this woman. This first guy that spoke doesn't know what he's talking about. She was. But her makeup man told my makeup man that she was all ready. either. There was no one around her to be her friend. absolutely nothing.I don't care if it's Sylvia. I don't care -. OK. physically ill and mentally ill when we did "Some Like It Hot.there was a movie out about her called "Blondie" or something. That's what they say -.. OK... They keep -. She was a tough. CURTIS: Well. it's time. it was really only her second staring role. And so I said. Let me tell you. And then here we are making this movie and everybody's screaming at her: Get there on time. KING: You liked her? RUSSELL: Yeah. very much.. KING: We've got lots more to hear from and lots more guests to deal with. you're late. and we'll go around the table as we continue this saga of Marilyn Monroe. ACTRESS: Well. They keep writing books about her. "GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES") MONROE (singing): A kiss may be grand but it won't pay the rental on your humble flat or . ACTOR: She was the best. and she was shy about going out on the set.KING: Tony Curtis. come on. And I would go by and say. we're going to put you on suspension. guys. oh. And she'd go. we were lovers. She was ill. when I worked with Marilyn. beautiful woman.I said it." I knew her 10 years earlier. they've taken this woman and kind of blown into something that never existed. KING: No. you're going to get kicked off the film. trust me. She was not prepared. well. CURTIS: Well. We were good friends. KING: He didn't say that was you. you know. Don't go away. And that's not true. CURTIS: Yeah. And it's got nothing to do with what Marilyn was like. KING: It's Richard Meryman. she had been in way before I had. he didn't. She was so sensitive to the world. what was she like to work with? TONY CURTIS.. KING: Jane. baby. is he right? JANE RUSSELL. And I never said kissing her was like kissing Hitler. She wasn't that vulnerable. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP. I'll just go by and get her. well.

Men grow cold as girls grow old. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: That so? MONROE: Every time. but they just curdle me. KING: We've got lots more to hear from and lots more guests to deal with. brother! UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Rough? MONROE: I'll say. Don't go away. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Really? MONROE: I don't know what it is. Oh." and my spine turns to custard. very much. and we'll go around the table as we continue this saga of Marilyn Monroe. MONROE: I can't trust myself. My Melancholy Baby. But square cut or pear-shaped these rocks don't lose their shape. I play tenor sax. especially tenor sax. thank goodness. and we all lose our charms in the end. I get goosepimply all over. "GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES") MONROE (singing): A kiss may be grand but it won't pay the rental on your humble flat or help you at the auto mat. "SOME LIKE IT HOT") MONROE: Have you ever been with a male band? UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Who me? MONROE: That's what I'm running away from. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: You know. (END VIDEO CLIP) . I've worked with six different ones in the last two years. I have this thing about saxophone players. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: You can't trust those guys.KING: You liked her? RUSSELL: Yeah. yeah. All they have to do is play eight bars of "Come to Me. MONROE: But you're a girl. diamonds are a girl's best friend. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Oh. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP. and I come to them.

I met her first in 1954 when they came to New York to do the location for "Seven Year Itch. Larry. as Fox's story editor." We're both Geminis. the famed photo journalist. but we hit it off great.that's the important key -. It's a wonderful book. MOVIE PRODUCER: What happened. KING: What was that like? BARRIS: She was a delight. KING: And you did the book "Marilyn. I play tenor sax. You either like a person or you don't. and in fulfillment of a commitment -. MONROE: But you're a girl. the film producer. . Larry. said one day: "They're carrying your script in the elevator." her last movie. you did the final photo shoot with Marilyn. because Marilyn really was forced to do the film under a Fox commitment. Larry. She was just a doll to work with." would attract George Cukor. Watch your back. yeah. KING: Did you get along with her? BROWN: Fine as long as I was there.MONROE: Every time. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Oh. I don't know what anyone else says about her. Is that correct? GEORGE BARRIS." I was a former top executive at 20th Century Fox who had the effrontery to criticize the new head of production. Her Life in Her Own Words: Marilyn Monroe's Revealing Last Words and Photographs. And I want to present it to you.Marilyn's last picture. and this was the back we did together. Dick Zanuck. What happened? DAVID BROWN. the most beautiful girl in the world. KING: Thank you. But you weren't the final producer. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: George Barris. is that my partner. I knew Marilyn Monroe from 1952 when I first met her coming up the steps of the administration building. "Something's Got to Give. and I bought the stories for her. You see. Nobody thought that my first project. and we became friends instantly. a guy named Henry Weinstein. MARILYN'S FINAL PHOTOGRAPHER: That's correct. you were the original producer of "Something's Got to Give. David Brown. She came into the story ." BARRIS: Absolutely. and as a result I was sent to Siberia as a producer. and we hit it off. because this is her last words and these photographs are fantastic. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: You know. thank goodness.

Larry. and there was a period of a year. very busy in her life. She came into the story department and wanted to see what was new. taking her acting lessons. She hadn't been at Chez Vito. Never. the final of our panelists -. That's why she was married to Arthur Miller. or as Tony Curtis said not a complicated person? JAMES HASPIEL.Marilyn's last picture. we spent an evening together once. Toward the end of her life. Marilyn was asked if she ever learned anything new about somebody writing about her -. a year and half when I saw her on a daily basis. She was -. And the woman that I was visiting and seeing had nothing to do with the woman that was being written about in the press. She wanted to be a fine actress. KING: We'll be right back with more. "Something's Got to Give. and in fulfillment of a commitment -. "THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH") .and then we'll go round-robin -. what synopses we had. because Marilyn really was forced to do the film under a Fox commitment. meaning Marilyn Monroe. I knew a very productive woman. You see. "No. I usually learn more about the writer than I do about myself. the most beautiful girl in the world. and doing the kinds of things that made her invention." "Marilyn: The Ultimate Look. and I bought the stories for her.you were a friend of hers." would attract George Cukor.about herself in their writings about her. I knew Marilyn Monroe from 1952 when I first met her coming up the steps of the administration building. That's why she was associated with Lee Strasbourg." I'll get that right some day. Don't go away. as Fox's story editor. She had a great sense of story. and the following day I read in the newspaper that Marilyn Monroe had been in Chez Vito the previous night. but a lot of the stuff that accumulates about her comes from written materials that have nothing to do with her at all." Is everyone of our guests right? Is this a complicated person. KING: Did you get along with her? BROWN: Fine as long as I was there. She was a brilliant woman. an even better presentation to her prospective audience. It was no joke that she wanted to do "The Brothers (UNINTELLIGIBLE). KING: James Haspiel. BROWN: Thank you. Marilyn Monroe would have been 75 years old.excuse me -.that's the important key -. and she said. and as a result I was sent to Siberia as a producer. Nobody thought that my first project. KING: Karamazov. The Marilyn that I knew doesn't fit the pattern of a lot of other people's Marilyns." and the forthcoming book "The Unpublished Marilyn. a restaurant in the east 60s in New York City. As an example. who was very. You can be my coach. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP. You wrote "Young Marilyn: Becoming a Legend.head of production. It was a canard that she was bimbo. MARILYN'S FRIEND & BIOGRAPHER: I'd answer you this way. what books. And she worked at that a lot." I think we're all complicated.she aspired to higher things.

"MARILYN MONROE: THE FINAL DAYS") JAMES COBURN. It also includes the Diamond Collection. and the light comedy "Something's Got to Give" would offer something of a comeback. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's big day tomorrow? MONROE: Tomorrow I'm on television. NARRATOR: In the early months of 1962. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: By the way. She hadn't been at Chez Vito. a DVD set. She'd been absent from the screen for over a year." arguably her best movie. including five of Marilyn's best-loved films. a restaurant in the east 60s in New York City. "THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH") MONROE: Ooh. Marilyn Monroe was set to go before the cameras for her 30th film. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MONROE: Come on.As an example. and the following day I read in the newspaper that Marilyn Monroe had been in Chez Vito the previous night. what do you think would be fun to do now? MONROE: I don't know. The water's so refreshing. I really have to get to sleep. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP. we spent an evening together once. You remember I told you about it. Marilyn Monroe would have been 75 years old. There's also a special edition DVD of the 1955 classic "Some Like It Hot. the new documentary of "Marilyn Monroe: The Final Days" is debuting on cable TV's American Movie Classics. in this connection. MONROE: The thing is I have this big day tomorrow. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not that late. doesn't it? Well. The (UNINTELLIGIBLE). but a lot of the stuff that accumulates about her comes from written materials that have nothing to do with her at all. . KING: We'll be right back with more. Ooh. It's getting pretty late. do you feel the breeze from the subway? Isn't it delicious? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sort of cools the ankles. Don't go away. here comes another one! (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP.

KING: Please. CURTIS: Let me explain something about Marilyn. because a lot of this is junk. had to capitulate and give in a lot of areas the beginning of her career. All these guys -. too -. you know. including five of Marilyn's best-loved films.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MONROE: Come on. Tony. CURTIS: Kind of clean up a lot of stuff. I did indeed. Jane. OK. The water's so refreshing. KING: All right. KING: Look at me. CURTIS: I love you guys.Marilyn. OK? KING: Are you saying she slept around? CURTIS: I beg your pardon. It also includes the Diamond Collection.. Tony? CURTIS: Is that you. Jane has been a good friend. in this connection.. you know. Marilyn -. I love you. Marilyn. you said you had an intimate relationship with her. CURTIS: I did indeed. . Anyway.. the new documentary of "Marilyn Monroe: The Final Days" is debuting on cable TV's American Movie Classics. gave of himself. You're looking off to the left." arguably her best movie. but look at me. let me get back to Marilyn.I'm wearing the blue suit. Oh.maybe today. There's also a special edition DVD of the 1955 classic "Some Like It Hot. She was a very beautiful woman. or Donald? (LAUGHTER) O'CONNOR: No. CURTIS: OK. it's Donald. Tony. What.. can I say hello to Donald O'Connor and Jane Russell.George. a DVD set. O'CONNOR: I'm the one wearing -. I like the profile. and the only way a young woman in those days could make it -. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: By the way. CURTIS: Donald was such a fine name when I first started in movies. O'CONNOR: How are you doing there.was to make themselves accessible to men's passions and lust.

She was a sweet. things change for us. too. and I was raised with 12 boys -. It never happened with Marilyn.CURTIS: OK. younger. And I suggested let's do a book some day and she said sounds great. KING: Did she get bum-rapped. She never hurt anybody. could make it. OK? KING: Are you saying she slept around? CURTIS: I beg your pardon. And -. She worked so hard. George? BARRIS: I think so. We were both Gemini. she was going to get even with everybody. all these lies that have been said about me. sweetest person to everyone on the set. we were -. though. KING: Now. KING: OK.because we keep hearing how she would be late. because we hit it off in 1954. and as we get a little older. most of us take those slings and arrows as part of the living experience. she was suspended from movies.was to make themselves accessible to men's passions and lust. KING: You had -. When I was with her.we had totally different backgrounds. She was a very beautiful woman. there is some sort of -. and I think Tony is a Gemini. fined. you told us you refused to go through any of that. She lived with Joe (UNINTELLIGIBLE) a handful of guys. too -. KING: You were stronger? RUSSELL: Yes. yes. So when she finally made it. had to capitulate and give in a lot of areas the beginning of her career.that's cousins. She says: "I'd like to set the record straight.but I had four brothers. right? RUSSELL: Oh. that's a nice way to put it. KING: But obviously. she was the kindest. And I told my brothers how high to jump and when. You see. All that's true. right? RUSSELL: Well. I had all the wonderful family and everything. She never forgot that humiliation of having to drop on her knees. too. right? . yeah. and I could have just gone home to the ranch if somebody bugged me.you could have done that.Marilyn. Marilyn -.maybe today. you know. She wanted to do everything right. We became friends. Donald. Simple as that. Marilyn never changed. KING: She slept around? CURTIS: Well. you know. So we just had totally different backgrounds.she never forgot that." And she is the sweetest person. Jane. CURTIS: And so she -. and the only way a young woman in those days could make it -. vulnerable woman who didn't forget what she had to go through to get started in the movies. too.

Curtis. But I want to go back for a moment. And I suggested let's do a book some day and she said sounds great. And it's a matter of public record that Groucho Marx in his own autobiography told of having spent $8. she was suspended from movies. Can I answer him? KING: You may. CURTIS: Huh? OK. not the fantasy character. You don't know what you're talking about.because we keep hearing how she would be late. KING: Hard worker. but it's a real cheap shot to say happy birthday to Marilyn by saying she dropped on her knees. first of all. KING: So do we talk about two people or one? O'CONNOR: I don't know if you're going -. because we hit it off in 1954. You know. fined. all these lies that have been said about me. Marilyn had pretty much in her head where she knew where the Marilyn character was.she was wasn't a head job at all. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree. Was there an aspect of that to her? O'CONNOR: I don't believe so.you're going into the area of being two personalities you mean.period. and couldn't get her into bed. I don't believe that she killed herself.000 wining and dining her. She worked so hard." And she is the sweetest person. She was a vulnerable. too. She wasn't -. KING: Yeah. Mr. You talk in payables. . and I think she knew where Marilyn was.. She was difficult. shirker. Donald. I think she was pretty level-headed in that department. CURTIS: Let me tell you something. there is some sort of -. We became friends. sweet woman -. sweetest person to everyone on the set. were you shocked that she killed herself? HASPIEL: Well. She wanted to do everything right. When I was with her. You're not talking about the facts of a woman that is dead 40-some-odd years.. KING: But obviously. tore up Marilyn's contract because she wouldn't get on her knees for him. she was the kindest. true. It's a matter of public record that Harry Cohn. And I'm not saying she never went to bed with anybody. KING: James.. not the fantasy character. She never hurt anybody. This makes me very angry.. She says: "I'd like to set the record straight. the monstrous head of Columbia Pictures. All that's true.. right? O'CONNOR: That's all true. O'CONNOR: .BARRIS: I think so. I think.

Curtis. lusty. HASPIEL: Marilyn Monroe -. CURTIS: Let me tell you something.period. you're painting a picture that doesn't exist. HASPIEL: You've just made my point. You talk in payables.. . and then she moved in with Joe Skank. '53.. Marilyn was not that person. She was ill. sweet woman -. You're not talking about the facts of a woman that is dead 40-some-odd years. really? HASPIEL: She made "Ladies of the Chorus" for them. KING: James. CURTIS: "Ladies of the Chorus. and loving her success." 1948. HASPIEL: . Mr. She was difficult. So. contract to Columbia Pictures -. '55.Marilyn Monroe's contract to Columbia Pictures is a matter of public record.why do you... She didn't start making it until 1952.. She was a human. She -. you know. You don't know what you're talking about. "Ladies of the Chorus. true. She was just starting.. Marilyn Monroe's. CURTIS: But what movie did she make? HASPIEL: Columbia Pictures. HASPIEL: Mr. CURTIS: Oh. No. Curtis. She couldn't work in the last few years.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree. why. KING: James. because as a relative. She was under contract to that studio. CURTIS: Huh? OK. CURTIS: Call me Tony. why -. she wasn't even under contract. What are you talking about? You're talking as if she was a major player then. enjoying life.. CURTIS: She wasn't even in the movies then..excuse me.. Harry Cohn and the monstrous movie mogul was a very fine and gentle man. '54." HASPIEL: CURTIS: What year was that? HASPIEL: 1948..all the things that they say about her are true. Can I answer him? KING: You may. She was a vulnerable.. She wasn't under contract until she went to 20th. a vulnerable woman...

"THERE'S NO BUSINESS LIKE SHOW BUSINESS") MONROE (singing): (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I can't believe this man is saying she was murdered. just you. '55. unknown -. that's nonsense.. "SOME LIKE IT HOT") MONROE (singing): I want to be loved by you.. This night she called Peter Lawford.. '54.CURTIS: What year was that? HASPIEL: 1948. CURTIS: See. Puh-puh-pee-doo. KING: We'll be right back with more on what would have been her 75th birthday.as a relative unknown. she would oblige anybody in those days if she wanted to get into movies. James. She didn't start making it until 1952. who was out -out of it himself. I did? HASPIEL: . because as a relative. as everybody did. which she did. James -. Don't go away. because I believe that she was murdered. she would have been obliged to service Harry Cohn and chose not to. She was just starting. the question of you is why do you think she didn't commit suicide. (END VIDEO CLIP) . (END VIDEO CLIP) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP.he did already. Poo-deedly-deedly-deedly. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP. What are you talking about? You're talking as if she was a major player then. CURTIS: Oh.... HASPIEL: Are you confessing? KING: OK. So no one knew about it. HASPIEL: You've just made my point.. I mean. KING: Boy. '53. CURTIS: Listen. HASPIEL: Well. CURTIS: She wasn't even in the movies then. but she always was able to call somebody that would save her from it.dum. nobody else but you I want to be loved by you.. Who murdered her? The Kennedys? Sam Giancana? Who? Marilyn had tried to commit suicide three or four times before.

BARRIS: But you're knocking her so badly. BARRIS: We said she had thousands of personalities. "THERE'S NO BUSINESS LIKE SHOW BUSINESS") MONROE (singing): (UNINTELLIGIBLE). a dual personality on a Gemini? . most humorous woman. lovely lady. intelligent. (END VIDEO CLIP) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP.dum.. KING: But Tony said the same thing. but what has that got to do with being a wonderful person? That's got nothing to do with it. CURTIS: Everybody has a terrible life and a terrible childhood. Poo-deedly-deedly-deedly. Let's forget the fact that she had a hard time becoming a film star. CURTIS: What negative? What are you talking about. period. CURTIS: I don't understand you... George? KING: He said she slept with people to get ahead in movies.. CURTIS: What? BARRIS: Not a couple. Where do you have all these facts from? You did a couple of photographs. terrible childhood.. She was the sweetest. you were saying? BARRIS: I don't understand why Tony is so negative about this sweet.. I don't understand you. nicest person... CURTIS: Yeah. I worked with her the last six weeks.. She was a charming.. What is it.. Puh-puh-pee-doo.. She was a Gemini. Right? Is that in essence. But don't forget she had a terrible life. kindest. Tony. CURTIS: Gemini's got nothing to do with it. Jane is. I never. BARRIS: I agree with you there. BARRIS: I worked with her for the last. BARRIS: But he says all these negative things. but she was a wonderful person. Tony liked her.loved by you. You're a Gemini. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: George.

They are in Las Vegas Tony Curtis. CURTIS: Gemini's got nothing to do with it." the Technicolor adaptation of the sensationally humorous musical comedy stage hit. We'll take a break and come right back. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP.maybe not even arguably -. We're also going to talk about how this legend continues and the amount of money some of the items that were part of an auction at Ripley's. being late." arguably -. Marilyn and Jane won their chance to join filmdom's immortals by their work in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. who starred with Marilyn in "Some Like It Hot. Her whole reason for being was the celebrity by that time. Jane is. The reason that I think she did our piece was that she wanted the reassurance that she was still famous. All alone. KING: That seems simple. and by god. Don't go away. running wild. what they sold for. you interviewed her. instead of sitting on the set and getting mad. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Let's meet our panel again. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NARRATOR: Marilyn Monroe and Jane Russell are welcomed by George Bowser. Richard. Richard? I mean. "SOME LIKE IT HOT") MONROE (singing): Don't love nobody. BARRIS: We said she had thousands of personalities. many facets here? MERYMAN: I think there were two..her best film. Jane Russell. Filmdom's first blond and first brunette. Here in Los Angeles." That film is also part of a new DVD set. many. you were going to say something? Jane? RUSSELL: Well. what do you make of all -.. Marilyn Monroe would have been 75 years old. It's not worthwhile. and as a . You're a Gemini. She was a Gemini. Are there many.BARRIS: I agree with you there. KING: Jane. she was famous. She had been fired by Fox. a dual personality on a Gemini? KING: Dual personality. That was terribly important to her. if "Life" magazine still wanted to do a big article. What is it.what are we dealing with here. manager of the Fox West Coast theaters as they arrive to make their imprints in the famous concrete of Grauman's Chinese Theater in Hollywood. go by and get her. I don't know why somebody. the Diamond Collection. but that was her image. Marilyn Monroe. I think that she couldn't deal with the celebrity. who starred with Marilyn in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. I'll reintroduce our panel.

maybe not even arguably -. the former editor of "Life" magazine. Also in New York is the famed movie producer. the Diamond Collection. Donald O'Connor. you know. who starred with Marilyn in "Some Like It Hot. almost monthly ever since she passed away. a fur-trimmed glass slippers for 85. It's not worthwhile. She was young. Marilyn Monroe. the famed museum here in Los Angeles bought some of those items. and pearl-studded teaspoons. They bought a Mexican sweater from her last photo shoot for $167. high heels with matching purse. and all of this business has been brought before the public.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP.her best film." arguably -. Other items you can see at Ripleys as well are a sexy baby doll pajamas. 1962 edition of "Life." the film Marilyn was fired from prior to her death. Donald O'Connor. Why." That film is also part of a new DVD set." "Marilyn. Jane Russell. does this legend live nearly 40 years since her death? O'CONNOR: Well. a bed high heels with matching purse -. the brilliant Donald O'Connor. we have not had a movie star equal to that.500. KING: Tony. Her Life in Her Own Words: Marilyn Monroe's Revealing Last Words and Photographs. yet. That big. Get this. and as a special edition DVD of "Some Like It Hot. how did she go. All alone. for a personal makeup case.500. They are in Las Vegas Tony Curtis." He also recalled what Marilyn was like to talk with in a long last talk with a lonely girl in the August 17th edition." In New York is Richard Merryman. was she killed. because she wanted to be such a great actress. was it an accident.000. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Let's meet our panel again. she was youthful. an auction at Christie's in 1999 of items owned by Marilyn Monroe.she was such a big personality on the screen." That's also in the DVD set.he did Marilyn's final shoot." and the forthcoming "The Unpublished Marilyn. And I think the way she passed away kept it alive. who starred with Marilyn in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. why do you think that legend continues? . the thing that she represented. O'CONNOR: That big. but the charisma.red. George Barris." as well. running wild." There was a selling. You know.to as replaced her yet on the screen. Here in Los Angeles. she was bigger -. The story was published in the August 3. friend of Marilyn's. "SOME LIKE IT HOT") MONROE (singing): Don't love nobody. And she was so serious. And James Haspiel. they paid $266. author of "Young Marilyn: Becoming a Legend. Not so much as the talent itself as an actress. David Brown. rather. the Ultimate Look and the Legend. who starred with Marilyn in the terrific movie "There's No Business Like Show Business. He was originally the producer for "Something's Got to Give. the famed photojournalist -. And I don't think there is ever been a girl that's ever been that big -. and Ripley's Museum. He interviewed Marilyn a few weeks before her death. she was so happy and gay. He wrote "Marilyn. KING: In other words.

. why do you think that legend continues? CURTIS: How do you think that Sotheby's got all of that goods to put on. we have not had a movie star equal to that. because I worked on the Fox lot from 1951 onward during Marilyn's entire career. KING: James -. is why would they buy it? Why do they get away with it? If you did that story about another.. KING: Christie's. because she wanted to be such a great actress. Not so much as the talent itself as an actress. though.. why does this legend. is more popular than she was on life. and whoever wrote it could get away with it. And there is a word in the dictionary. KING: David. She's beloved. whoever controls her estate now. the question. "female. She became part of all our lives. That big. do you think -. that she was maybe the last great film star? BROWN: I think she was -. She was young.been that big -. I think of her as the last female." And "National Enquirer" will buy it. KING: But the question is. has got her up for sale for any kind of story. why do you think it continues? Why do books still sell? HASPIEL: I think one of the reasons is. but the charisma. How many guys fell in love with her. O'CONNOR: That big. She was voluptuous and beautiful and blonde -.. And she was so serious. And what I mean by that is. in death. in the way that we hold on to lots of things in our history. the thing that she represented. look at that girl.there was only one film .very well said. You're liable to read a story. Tony. That's one of the clues to why we still hold on to Marilyn. In "Some Like it Hot. continue? CURTIS: Because this -.this gentleman.do you agree with Donald O'Connor. KING: Tony. with absolute respect to all the women in the world.a very appealing woman. We put her mainly in ensemble films.she was the last hugely great film star. But she didn't -. then and now? This was an outstanding film personality. she was youthful. James Haspiel. like Elvis. she was so extraordinarily feminine in her posture and her movements and her presentation. yet." and she represents that in an extraordinary way. Those people sold it to an attorney. she left what was left of her estate to Lee Strasbourg's School of Acting. that nobody would even wear." and there's a word "feminine." she wore the most revealing dresses. And I think. CURTIS: Larry. she was so happy and gay.to as replaced her yet on the screen. KING: Now. She allowed herself to do that. She was wonderful. KING: In other words. CURTIS: Christie's. "Marilyn Monroe Gave Birth to 12 Children. and she did. but I want to say that Marilyn Monroe. That attorney is making money every day on Marilyn Monroe's memorial. When Marilyn died. And she happened before the guys put on the earrings and carried the handbags.

.here was a giant star... Don't go away. I just got to feel that whoever I marry has some real regard for me.there was only one film -. The way that I move. but I want to say that Marilyn Monroe. certainly can. MONROE: I certainly. KING: David. and she grew in importance. certainly.loving stuff. Mostly she was with others. That's one of the clues to why we still hold on to Marilyn. in the way that we hold on to lots of things in our history. the world wept. You know what I mean? (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MONROE (singing): You're having a heat wave. who was terribly unhappy. do you think -. But I don't want him to browbeat me. certainly can. because I worked on the Fox lot from 1951 onward during Marilyn's entire career. either. KING: Why? BARRIS: She had no. is more popular than she was on life. KING: Since her death.. BROWN: And when Marilyn died. She was wonderful. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: George Barris was saying during the break -. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MONROE: I want a guy I can look up to and admire. that's the law that it proves.she was the last hugely great film star. that she was maybe the last great film star? BROWN: I think she was -. but I don't want him to baby me.. I want a guy who'll be sweet with me. internationally famous. KING: What did she have to be unhappy about? . We put her mainly in ensemble films. tropical heat wave. in which she was the star. like Elvis.I think one of her greatest was "Bus Stop. KING: We'll be right back with more on what would have been her 75th birthday. But she didn't -. CHORUS: She certainly." directed by Joshua Logan.. Aside from all that -.I think. certainly. She's beloved.do you agree with Donald O'Connor. in death. Right? BARRIS: Absolutely. A tropical. Larry.

.. KING: How good a talent was she. here were two beautiful women in there in that "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. You know. She had nobody. Who did she go home to? No family. you don't do that to Howard Hawks. So I called her and we talked for a moment. Right? BARRIS: Absolutely. Tony? CURTIS: How good a talent? She was brilliant. and her first instinct was to look at her coach. Nobody's timing was better.famous. And someone got back to her with it. they would use anything to. and she was offended by it.you know. did you keep in touch with her throughout the last years of her life? CURTIS: We did. which she gave to them. She had no identity. who was terribly unhappy. She'd come on the set. no children. It's very sad. and she understood that it was never said by me.she brought something to the meeting. you bend over backwards. if you have a husband that is caring and understanding and realizes that there's a person who has problems. how good was she as a talent? RUSSELL: She was very good. never asked for it back. Well. Billy Wilder gave her a lot of opportunities to do that. . But.. And she had -. I know all these other pictures that she's made.. she was wonderful. I mean. KING: Why? BARRIS: She had no. She would work with her coach the night before. and she was excellent. friends. (LAUGHTER) KING: Did she share well with you? I mean. Larry. she really wanted to be there. KING: Tony. what interrupted us was that quote that I was supposed to have said after that kissing scene with her. he would put her dialogue on cue cards. KING: Jane. Even her husbands never brought her happiness. She was late. didn't she? BARRIS: Absolutely. which I never did. they said it before. The studio was so organized and so antagonistic toward her. "Some Like it Hot" was the ultimate comedienne. who so-called themselves friends. They all wounded up in divorces. But let me say this. Her mother was a sick person. and not destroy her like they were. But Marilyn's instinct was so perfect for being in the movies that she was able to give you what I think is one of the funniest performances of all time. and I don't blame her." Did she share well with you? RUSSELL: Yes. were there when they needed money. KING: None of it her fault? None of it her -. KING: What did she have to be unhappy about? BARRIS: She had no family.

they said it before. Alan Ladd. "Can't you ask her to take off her shoes?" And he said. and he called me over and he said. here were two beautiful women in there in that "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. she was getting ready for Marilyn to be on the screen. no." O'CONNOR: I sure was. I said." he said. She never gave anybody any trouble." Now.. The director came to me one day on the set." . "This guy is scared. RUSSELL: No. (LAUGHTER) O'CONNOR: He fought that all his life.she was like a little sister. she was wonderful. And I said. you know? RUSSELL: Yeah. who directed "No Business Like Show Business." So I went to Marilyn and I said. She would work with her coach the night before. I'm afraid. Would you mind taking off your shoes and getting on an apple box?" And I automatically felt like Alan. and she's wearing high heels. She was a gal who was late on the set. you know. "I can't ask her. I thought she was wonderful. She was wonderful.. Well. well. We -. She'd come on the set. and I was doing a scene with her in front of a bandstand...because you look a little taller. and her first instinct was to look at her coach. you were her boyfriend in "There's No Business Like Show Business. Once she was there. would you mind taking off your shoes? I feel silly -. you don't do that to Howard Hawks. making love to you. KING: Now. she was cooperative." Did she share well with you? RUSSELL: Yes.it's emasculating to stand up on an apple box here and start. And she had -. "Marilyn looks a little taller than you in this scene. KING: She didn't try to scene-steal. she really wanted to be there. Her hair is in that bouffant hairstyle. O'CONNOR: Oh. "Donald.. KING: How do you rate her as a talent? O'CONNOR: Well.you know. no... wait a minute here. Donald. (LAUGHTER) O'CONNOR: . (LAUGHTER) KING: Did she share well with you? I mean. I said -. KING: Not bad. She wanted her to be perfect at all times.RUSSELL: She was very good. but at the same time. this is the biggest director in Hollywood.

but she's working with him. I want reservations." there are sequences where she is working. She's not on camera. She's a very giving performer." So I went to Marilyn and I said. I know what that means. who directed "No Business Like Show Business. and in the footage. you know. (LAUGHTER) O'CONNOR: I mean." the only role in which she ever played an amoral woman. I'm .it's emasculating to stand up on an apple box here and start." Now. that's the way she was.. MONROE: Sure. "Oh. nonetheless. ACTOR: Well. with a little boy. So it says something about her talent. It's his close-up. and she's doing the close-ups with the dog. We'll be right back with more. you know.. Why? Where you going? MONROE: Here we go again." and she threw off her shoes. Does that make you feel any better? COTTEN: You smell like a dime store.you ask her to take off her shoes?" And he said. You're getting all dressed up to go out and buy tickets. would you mind taking off your shoes? I feel silly -. "I can't ask her.. KING: Terrific movie with Joseph Cotten. All right. he's an idiot. She's not on camera. And when you watch "Niagara. I said -. that we maybe took too serious that she didn't take herself that seriously? That you could have handled it just like Donald did? HASPIEL: She was a very giving performer. And there's a great clue to her talent and the measure of her talent in "Niagara. MONROE: I'm not going to stand all the way to Chicago. COTTEN: Pick up the bus tickets? We'll buy them when we get to the terminal." you cannot find a frame of the innocence and vulnerability that virtually cloaked her in professional and real life. I'm afraid. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOSEPH COTTEN. We just go early and get aboard early. I'm not going to bus station." She says. "This guy is scared. KING: Do you agree. She was fine. (LAUGHTER) O'CONNOR: . James.because you look a little taller. COTTEN: There are no reservations. the eight or nine hours from "Something's Got to Give. what are you getting all dressed up for? MONROE: I'm going to pick up the bus I tickets. There are sequences where they're doing a close-up of a dog that's going to wind up a couple frames on film. Don't go away. this is the biggest director in Hollywood. making love to you.

(END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MONROE: Did you see this fellow I'm with? UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I saw him. as long as he's a man.MONROE: I'm not going to stand all the way to Chicago. COTTEN: There are no reservations. You know what they say about girls who wear glasses. I was naturally curious to know what he looked like. I want reservations. why can't you keep those cheaters on long enough to see who you're with. MONROE: He sounds just wonderful. Why? Where you going? MONROE: Here we go again. You're getting all dressed up to go out and buy tickets. anyway? MONROE: No. I'm not going to bus station. either. Did you . Richard Merryman. no. that they were going to remarry. I'm not going to take a chance like that. but he hasn't mentioned anything under a million dollars yet. I thought somebody might have belted him. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Honestly. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: What's he look like? UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Very nice for one-eyed man. I'm meeting somebody. All right. Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. Just anybody handy. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Who is he? MONROE: I don't know that. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: In Richard Ben Cramer's brilliant book on Joe DiMaggio. I know what that means. Paula. MONROE: Sure. Does that make you feel any better? COTTEN: You smell like a dime store. We just go early and get aboard early. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Maybe somebody shot him in eye. MONROE: Is that all he's got? UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: What do you think he's got that patch on for? MONROE: I didn't know it was a patch. he says.

we could have all -. man. he says. Not Marilyn. the phone rang and the press agent went and answered it. She became famous. after she had had quite a lot of champagne. nothing could be that bad.just the whole bottom just dropped out when I started thinking about it. Donald. And I just said. Unfortunately. yes. that they were going to remarry. and each one had had a problem bigger than the last one. It was -. what do you know about that story? HASPIEL: I don't believe that they were going to remarry. But she lost all her friends. And I believe the world loves her. did you think suicide when you heard she died? RUSSELL: I had no idea. I can tell you that during our second interview. and we were all really laughing about it. The reason was she was a friend to everyone. you don't believe it.hunting. no. didn't he? BARRIS: Oh.we would have been laughing about all the problems everybody had. And.violence. George. because it was like. that -. Richard Merryman. and I really don't want to be indiscreet. and they had heard it on the air. KING: He continued. And the guys came home from playing from -. though. either. first of all. I probably know a little bit too much about it. She's not that kind of person. KING: Do you remember. KING: James. KING: Joe DiMaggio loved her. secondly. just all of a sudden to be gone. yes. A lot of them disappeared. it's not possible. oh. I said. your first reaction when you heard she died? O'CONNOR: Oh. of course. Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. oh. BARRIS: I believe he loved her. KING: Jane. but it reemerged a month before Marilyn's death. she's too alive. Did you have any hint of that? MERRYMAN: Well. Joe DiMaggio had a problem with -. I was at the beach in Malibu at our beach house and I had a lot of my girlfriends there. And Marilyn called out. but he hasn't mentioned anything under a million dollars yet.UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Who is he? MONROE: I don't know that. I'm not here. how did you hear about it and what was your first reaction? . And so there couldn't have been a marriage. it's like anybody. to love. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: In Richard Ben Cramer's brilliant book on Joe DiMaggio. and that had obviously been gone for many years after their divorce. "If it's an Italian.well." That's all I can contribute. KING: Tony. God. I believe Arthur Miller loved her. if Marilyn had only been here.

Stop making jokes. They were going to start the film again with Dean Martin in September. but she had lost all the desire to hang around. I sat in the car. KING: George. he went in. if Marilyn had only been here. nothing could be that bad. "It came over the air. and she had everything to look forward to. I was supposed to see her that Monday. I was at the beach in Malibu at our beach house and I had a lot of my girlfriends there. And I just said. She was happy about the book we were going to do together. She was happy about the "Cosmopolitan" cover and 12 pages. but she wouldn't. There was something brewing. You know? And her death came as a shock to everybody. Here it was Sunday. . Frank. I was really sorry. and we were all really laughing about it.we would have been laughing about all the problems everybody had." He says. you know? And she was being fed -. She had great offers coming in. because it was like. I could see by her behavior how -." I said. and knew that perhaps somehow something bad was going to happen to her. saying. how did you hear about it and what was your first reaction? CURTIS: I was in Europe working on a picture. I didn't feel she would last much longer after "Some Like it Hot. I froze. And the guys came home from playing from -. BARRIS: Completely. "I can't believe it. She had something very important to tell me. and he come running out. "I swear. and each one had had a problem bigger than the last one. oh." KING: Really. She wanted me to come out there. oh. I didn't. I don't believe she ever killed herself." I just turned white. and that's when I heard. and it did. God. CURTIS: Yes. when you heard? BARRIS: I was in the country with my brother-in-law.not uncontrollable. Let's not forget that Marilyn understood everything that went on around her. "What?" "Marilyn's dead. I was going to fly out to the coast. I wish she had told me on the phone.hunting." I said. KING: Tony. and she was looking forward to great things. and they had heard it on the air. KING: You don't either? BARRIS: Absolutely. we could have all -. she's dead.spoon-fed by these people to make her feel more comfortable. man. But she was aware of everything. It's a serious thing you're talking about.RUSSELL: I had no idea. But we who had worked with her saw her vulnerability. KING: You were shocked that it was suicide. We stopped at a little grocery shop to get some breakfast.

and your first reaction. First impression was. so that's a whole different perspective. HASPIEL: I was here in New York City. and I was absolutely devastated. People who never knew Marilyn loved . happy birthday. KING: David. KING: Where were you when you heard of the death. Don't go away. I was in the audience. and she had everything to look forward to. President"? HASPIEL: I wasn't with her. KING: Amazing. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MONROE (singing): Happy birthday to you. the whole world wept. that still turns up on 10 best lists where the other nine people are alive and working and flourishing and belong on the list. what I said before. happy birthday to you (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: By the way. Mr. where were you? BROWN: In New York. were you with her when she sang "Happy Birthday Mr. But I want to comment that Marilyn is the only dead movie star. They were going to start the film again with Dean Martin in September. after she sang to Kennedy. BARRIS: Completely. I don't believe she ever killed herself. People all around the world wept. KING: You were shocked that it was suicide. We'll take a break and we'll get the thoughts of Richard David and James as they heard about it. it's become so legendary. James Haspiel. KING: What was that like? HASPIEL: You know. KING: True. happy birthday to you. It was unbelievable. It was exciting. or celebrity. but I was sitting in my seat looking at a friend of mine.looking forward to great things. and then final comments from everybody. HASPIEL: And I saw her. She had great offers coming in. for the last time. KING: All right. KING: You don't either? BARRIS: Absolutely. President. HASPIEL: It's very interesting. at about 4:00 that morning. heard it on the radio.

the No. not only about acting.year anniversary. that's what she is. but about writing. because it's become a role model. and the phone rang and it was a television newsman who wanted to use some of my tape. KING: Very well said. the whole world wept. KING: Richard. By the way. HASPIEL: It's very interesting. how is she going to be remembered? CURTIS: As a very beautiful American woman who. KING: David. People who never knew Marilyn loved her. And my experience with stars is that through all the publicity and the hype and everything. where were you? BROWN: In New York.although I didn't know her intimately. KING: And it will go on to another 40 years. And so I wept myself because I -. how do you think she will be remembered? O'CONNOR: I think she's going to be remembered like we're talking about her. represented the '50s. KING: It won't go away. They'll do the 80. You know. . 1. And. I think they'll refer to something else happens to somebody else. during that period of time in the '50s. you know -God bless darling Marilyn.she had not intended to commit suicide. I think was a Nunnelly Johnson script. as well as being incredibly beautiful. KING: Tony. What was your reaction? MERRYMAN: I was in little New Hampshire town of Dublin. My reaction was that this -. you had just interviewed her. "Fame is fickle. And the essence of Marilyn was she communicated a kind of truth. First impression was. Donald. He wanted just her words saying." which she said a lot. I think she's the epitome.she represented that quality that people felt in themselves. I did work with her over the many years she was at 20th Century Fox." and I think that this will continue. and truth is very powerful. People all around the world wept. heard it on the radio. it is. and it shows you savvy she was. O'CONNOR: That's right. That -.flourishing and belong on the list. And I'd like to say that I think the reason she has lived on is that her vulnerability and her neediness has touched a lot of people. Not about Marilyn. I think so. that's what she was. Christie's has a script of Marilyn Monroe's notes. KING: Amazing. the public senses the essence of the person. one way or another. "Oh. This was going to be a -. isn't that something similar that happened to Marilyn?" "Yes. She had a sunny funny persona. O'CONNOR: I don't think so. what I said before. and they'll refer back to Marilyn.she was going to get rescued at the last minute. and this would be revenge against practically the whole world that she now felt had betrayed her.

I'm Larry King. Not about Marilyn. the No. and George Barris is there. George Barris." with his photography as well. And don't forget George's book "Marilyn: Her Life in Her Own Words. PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www. KING: Jane? How is she going to be remembered? RUSSELL: A lot like it is today. being vulnerable. Good night. I think they'll refer to something else happens to somebody else. BARRIS: The last happy day. KING: It won't be go away.O'CONNOR: That's right. KING: Don't forget Ripley's setup here in Los Angeles has a lot of these things on display. David Brown.com . I think she's the epitome. Jane Russell. O'CONNOR: I don't think so. Marilyn Monroe would have been 75 years old. TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT. Richard Merryman and James Haspiel. isn't that something similar that happened to Marilyn?" "Yes. RUSSELL: I think they'll remember her as also. KING: The last happy days of Marilyn Monroe. "Oh. 1.fdch. it is. and they'll refer back to Marilyn. Donald O'Connor. We're out of time. KING: It won't go away. We thank Tony Curtis." and I think that this will continue. I think so. because it's become a role model.

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