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Tripp Before I begin; lets understand the ground rules. Disagree if you wish; but you are going to have to do it with facts not emotion. You will have to back up your statements with historical facts. The history of BJJ/GJJ is a cloudy one; made so by people who wish to "sell" it. Miscalling people like Maeda and Kimura jujutsu people is a glaring example of this. To this end; we are going to have to define once and for all what jujutsu is; and what judo is. Subsets are not really the issue. In terms of what came from Japan, and then became BJJ/GJJ; EITHER it is jujutsu or judo. There is NO middle ground here. Jujutsu (jiujitsu or jujitsu are incorrect spellings; Check out Secrets of unlocking Aikijujutsu for full chapter and verse on this); was a traditional Bujutsu ryu-ha of old Japan. As a traditional ryu-ha; it was taught and practiced in a certain way. Dragger spells this out plainly in his works on Bujutsu both old and modern; to wit 1. No Belt Ranks 2. No sparring, only kata and one steps 3. Training for the Battlefield only I could post more but you get the point. ALL traditional bujutsus were about killing someone in the course of defending or storming a castle, or fighting a large-scale battle. In the case of Jujutsu it was about getting free to kill someone. The skills of grappling in armour with a tanto; getting your arms free to draw a sword, etc., THIS is the basis for the traditional ryu-ha's of Jujutsu. Now; BUDO unlike Bujutsu, was always about the person, not the group. The change from bujutsu wasn't about "watering down" techniques; but rather changing them to apply to the new world they lived in. People were not wearing swords; or storming and defending castles anymore. The focus of the training had to change with the times. Now; for this first part; the ONLY thing we are going to ask is "Is BJJ/GJJ a traditional Bujutsu ryu-ha". Well, lets look: 1. Belt Ranks - Yes 2. Katas & One Steps - No 3. Battlefield training - No (a one on one duel is not the battlefield.) Again, if you want to debate this, you are going to have to do two things; disprove Dragger, AND tell me the NAME of the traditional jujutsu ryu-ha BJJ/GJJ claims to come from. There is a question for any Gracie to answer, if you want to use them for your quote and history source. CLEARLY; even the Gracies admit that Maeda was the one who brought them "jiujitsu" as they call it. I will get to him in the course of this history class. But for now; the point is, BJJ/GJJ is NOT Bujutsu and then cannot possibly be jujutsu, as defined by Japan's history. Next; lets see what "jujutsu" evolved into. Class dismissed. Jigoro Kano <jigoro.html> was from a well to do family and an educator. He saw several problems with the old style training that he knew had to change. Brutal treatment of students and the lack of a systematic training method being high on his list. Also, he saw Budo as something beyond fighting. He felt that we should grow from the experience (the playing fields of Eaton and all that). So Kano created a "new" way to teach and train in the old Bujutsu. I put new in quotes because how much of this was his idea and how much of this he "improved" from other
Example. killing students tends to decrease the student body. THAT. and Kano felt learning how to deal with.sources is subject to much debate. I tap. OK. you can't train unarmed fighters the same way you train people with weapons. This was still a death to the ego (and the reason so many people have a problem with submission fighting). there isn't much else to worry about. As far as major techniques go. is not sporting. What "war" was fought with what we think of as "martial arts". Think about it. But. I am rolling with a player and he gets the choke. There is the "sport" Kano wanted to create. He knew you couldn't allow strikes in Randori/Shiai as people would get seriously injured. by tapping I agreed you "killed" me. Same could be said for gun fighting in many ways. much has been said over the years that Kano wanted to create a safe "sport" rather than a combat art. But there was more to it than that. A belt system to show the difference between beginning. That is not the same thing. he lets go. submission! The ONLY way you could win a match in Kano's Judo was to tap out or get knocked out by a throw. This is important because in 1886. 4. The problem is. Finally Kano changed the name of what he was doing from Jujutsu to Judo. Kano knew by then that so called "deadly" techniques (for an unarmed fighter) were mostly myth and impossible to master the way "sporting" techniques could be. I tap. And we are now at the point where the change is happening from Bujutsu (battlefield arts) to Budo (personal arts). On the battlefield you have several. How you you master an eye gouge? Look how well you can master the throw into the arm lock. The submission aspect was the "death". But that is the next lesson. This is simply not so and ignores dozens of written works by Kano that refute it." taught that you must keep getting up when life knocks you down. we understand now what a true Bujutsu ryu-ha is. This was Kano's point. Randori and Shiai as the new "battlefield" to test your techniques. well. 10 times rise. Kano wanted to keep the "life and death" aspect of the old Samauri tradition in the matches. The very term "martial art" is flawed as there has never been a war where the Judo army charged the hill held by the Tae Kwon Do army. Both of these areas held real Budo lessons that Kano wanted taught. you have none. he doesn't let go.. What he wanted was a "sporting" attitude in Judo. I say this to explain the problem people had with changing the systems from Bujutsu to Budo.. kata works because really if I draw my sword faster than you and get the first cut in. 3. Now. to show this difference in training methods. THAT is sporting. That term should be reserved for true battlefield arts with weapons. that is NOT sporting. Simply put. If he cranks on a joint lock and I have no chance to submit. intermediate. They began to share and exchange techniques under these new training methods. we have the first UFC test for Kano's school. the real difference here is lack of weapons. there were . and advanced students. If someone had a new idea. A "lesson plan" that taught the basic skills then built on them to advanced skills. with a sword. and for 4 years their skills grew. Also. NUMEROUS Jujutsu masters of the old ryu-ha came and joined him in this new concept. and overcome this death would build strong character. 2. "9 times thrown. Katas to preserve tradition. and better people. in 1882 he opened his first school with the following training methods in place: 1. So the "death" became a symbolic one. in personal life.
but not to them in 1886) combatives for their officers. Other than that it was anything goes. In fact these brawls are why ALL jujutsu masters began to get a very bad reputation. adapting systems. The number of these matches is unclear." Lets see if they do! The events changing Jujutsu to Judo were not only at the Kodokan (Kano's home for Judo). How do you fight unarmed? What skills are needed? How do you train? What is effective in a fight like this and what is the best way to gain those skills? These were the questions people were trying to answer with the "new" manner of teaching the "old" ryu-ha.. but that some people they fought were seriously injured or died and that really flew in the face of Kano's idea for "Budo". The tradition in Japan was that ANYONE could walk into a school and challenge the top student. If people will wait until history thread is over. and honestly and objectively think about it. he had a plan of his own. but don't try and sell it as a modern effective system. Remember all those changed ryu-ha's with the brawling members? Other schools were attempting to make the change from Bujutsu to Budo. one-hour time limit. Yes. Like it or not.) and was chosen by Tokyo Police as the unarmed combat method for their Officers. or 15 fights that day. and after seeing what people were trying to do.. changing. Just like some people in this country go into the woods and play "Civil War" for a few weeks every year. The rules were simple. but more on that next time. He ALWAYS made sure there was a student there who could handle anyone "dropping by". About 1886. or your seconds throw in the towel (I have a translated release form for this event). on that day Jujutsu as a living active martial art ended. quit. there are a few styles in Japan keeping their old traditions alive.. it isn't hard to see this is quite possible. They never lost those matches and many people became students because of this. or for very long. the Tokyo Police department wanted to set up a program in "modern" (a relative term for us in 2000. If you beat him you could take their dojo sign down. and brawling in the streets was common to test the fighter's skills. people were seriously injured. Several presentations were made. which unarmed ryu should they be taught. Kano put himself above all other styles and insisted his "Judo" be tested against every other style that day. This as about to change as a young man named Kano had been training in jujutsu. you either had to tap out. Training was brutal. The question was. History shows us that Judo defeated all comers (with one draw. But unarmed skills were not that clear. but people who enjoy playing Samurai. We .plenty of wars and duels to the death to see if this guy was full of crap or not. Chinese Connection) Kano did not like this kind of thing and never sent people out to do so. and the techniques allowed. (THE FOLLOWING IS OPINION) I have been told my real inside Kodokan people is the reason you get different numbers is not because Judo lost any of those matches (Fact: they did not). even the BJJ/GJJ folks are going to say in essence "yep. However tradition was tradition and he knew people would be coming to the Kodokan. If you think about the level of fighter.. Clearly this wasn't going to work well. (and some people are not going to like it). this is correct and in truth we were wrong about what we thought he was saying. But it doesn't matter if there were 10. NOTE: I am going to make a promise here. if you beat him you could challenge the head master. Only the living taught the classes. (Notice Bruce Lee does this in one of his movies. To say there was great rivalry between these schools was an understatement. and they decided to hold an event to see which of the various styles were more effective. Nothing wrong with that. Every match would have a Kano's fighter in it. These are not living. 12.
. sport throws (to win events) "building throws" (a throw that teaches you a movement you will use in a later advanced throw i. Judo at this time was a slamming art with some strikes and pins. From that point. things sure look great for the Kodokan! Teaching all over the place. no draws! O U C H! Kano at that point saw that if his ideal of "balance" were true (and it was/is) then Ne-waza would have to be of equal importance to the Kodokan as Tachi-waza. I'll answer it next time. This continues to this day and is where the term "Kosen Judo" comes from. Kano even brought an Okinawan karate master to the Kodokan seven times to . it was VERY hard to slam someone until they quit. hiza guruma). these throws were safe ways to practice serious combat throws i. First to avoid losing and cause a draw. I leave you to the source for more of this material. It was in 1888. Moreover. there are VERY few people any more who know which throws were which. 2. ten men who would fight the top ten men of the Kodokan... This is why I tell people to focus on those 10 and leave the others alone. I want you to read carefully how they trained (BTW: Osaekomi by Kashiwazaki pages 14 & 15 contains this information and more): 1.. Well. Submission was key to these people! They found that "dojime" or "trunk squeezing" could keep a person at bay as they looked for a submission (read dojime as guard folks). as most old style Jujutsu or modern judo people had little need for submission in the real world. sound familiar?). The art of submission was VERY limited. Now (all BJJ/GJJ folks pay attention). They attended the Kodokan Shiai event in 1888 with a team of 10 men. uki goshi/harai goshi).. Ten matches.e. another jujutsu ryu-ha saw the need to change their training methods and they too joined the Kodokan and began using the Judo training methods. But I think you get the point. The submissions fighters were given a High School to not only teach at but perfect new and varied submissions such as sankaku-jime and new kansetsu waza. To defeat the defence of a person playing for the draw and go for the win.. This school after watching many randori and shiai sessions at the Kodokan made a simple observation. combat throws (miscalled. More on that in a moment. it was painful too! They looked at the rules of the 1886 Tokyo Police Challenge and took it upon themselves to come up with a better way to win such a match (remember that one hour time limit). Judo became the prominate Japanese martial art. it was dishonour to them to do so (hmmmm. gymnastic throws (simply there because Kano felt the rolling and tumbling was good for you). and up until 1920 Judo grew to the ends of the world with equal importance on throws and submissions. The only question was. as we talk about that draw. To see the truth in the above. notice that only about 10 throws from the go kyo no waza are used to score ippon in judo shiai's! Worse. sounds great right? Well..don't wear swords anymore. and it's first Budo... Kano taught four kinds of throws in Kodokan Judo. They would NOT submit. won the 1886 event.e. ten submissions. there was another "UFC" match that the judo folks REALLY don't like to talk about. what would happen when others adopted its training methods. At this time.
I hope you are enjoying this as much as I am! "A camel is a horse that was designed by a comittie" Well.teach advanced striking methods (this is how Funakoshi came to move to Japan and set up the Shotokan karate dojo).). There were many people such as Kimura and Maeda who travelled all over the world fighting and defeating all comers with the Judo they mastered from the various specialists at the Kodokan. If you think the connection is too vague (or not possible). and people everywhere are learning Judo (books are sold through the mail such as "Lighting Judo" "Combat Judo" Super Judo made easy" etc. Combat realities. All showing how anyone could become an unbeatable fighter in 10 easy lessons. Judo as Sport. He felt that there was no place for "war" inside of the Kodokan. Budo. Next lesson. was another Kodokan Black Belt!) The decision was made to turn the Kodokan into a military academy. he had no choice. WWII. it can be sport. Kano died from "food posioning". and the Olympic games. it is not for the weak of heart or stomich. who BTW. and the battlefield itself. A few weeks later. I suggest the former (731). police training. Till then. The War is on. This pained him. but I can find no evidence of this). Japan loses the war. self-defense. may I suggest you read the book "Unit 731" or "The Rape of Nanking". a military academy.. Then. It was a direct violation of Judo. When next we talk we will speak of the changes made in 1925. However. oddly. and many others. on his way back from Egypt from a meeting with the IOC about making Judo an Olympic sport. Still. People from all over the world came to him to seek out his teaching methods. and the fate of the Kodokan. etc. the Kodokan was indeed. didn't leave so much with techniques. OSS training centers. The only problem was. This caused MAJOR internal strife and battles (throws vs submissions.E Fairbairn trained and got a 2nd degree black belt from him! Also one of the "big three" of Sambo did the same. Kano objected to this. The challenges to the Kodokan pretty much ended. ballance. Some people liked these changes. exercise. the death of Kano. but his school was the training school for the police. These men. More often than not. People coming to the Kodokan were there for different reasons. the greatest change was outside of the Kodokan. When you look at it. but I WARN you. (See "Blood on the Sun" with James Cagney. W. they forgot the basic lesson of Judo. Or any and all of the above. time for the problem of all groups to begin to occur. but with training concepts that they would carry on to their own programs. Each person tended to work on what best suited those reasons. combat vs sport. People left over this. traditional martial art. others did not. etc) Kano began banning various techniques due to injury (BTW: I now have historical evidence that people were killed in the Tokyo Police challenge matches). This was that a good big . But a simple truth was forming at Army Camps. Kano also had to remove members for brawling.. (People say Medea or Count Koma as well. Obviously this did not please the government of Japan. Kodokan Judo is a very big thing. Let's just say that Japan had plans and wanted all aspects of its Country to be in step with them. upon Japan itself. Kimura is an example of this. Dr.
General MacArthur is now running things. particularly by the Kosen Judo students. These battles taught the world that there was nothing mysterious about Judo. so there was the posibility to draw. however there were others who lost) as they began to understand how they were going to fight. I challenge you to take a look at the Gracie In Action vol 1. watching Royce Gracie! Lets take a look at a quote from Kashiawki's book "Osaekomi": "At this time newaza was extreemly popular and well researched. Now the war is over. was taking something from the Kodokan to add to their methods. The Kodokan was closed because it was a military academy! (Kano warned them!) After many meetings. But there were NO Jujutsu championships of ANY kind after 1886. ALL military arts were banned in Post-War Japan. I clearly see by what the Gracies are doing today that Madea had some connection to the Kosen Judo program. it needs to be pointed out that almost EVERYONE in the fight game. I will discuss the most notable of these. It connects to NO battlefield bujutsu ryu-ha.. Kimura went undefeated. (Opinion follows).html>! Lets get this done now. Once they understood those methods. It simply can not be. Sport Judo would be the only focus of the Kodokan. In fact. it was agreed that the Kodokan could re-open ONLY if it taught sport judo. Look at Helio. look at the grips. and Brazilian Judo. again. with the goal of it becoming an olympic sport. and so on extensively. For this reason newaza training was very useful. This is an amazing thing when you understand how far and wide that was. and only sport judo. Madea. and Japan is a conquered country. . but the orginal fight until a person quits or submitts Judo! Madea was a Kodokan Judo master who made his living as a prize fighter. More over. there is no "linage" of its creation other than to Judo masters. double leg locks (NBM: read that guard positions). However. the Judo people had a much harder time defeating people. Most of the students participating were beginners. it was simply the science of wrestling with some methods that people were unfamiliar with. and it is in the hands of MacArthur! It was NOT Kano who wanted Judo to become a mear sport. This was a time of only one score IPPON or a draw.. This was because Kosen Judo was an inter-school (Note by me: this means public schools not dojo's) team contest only. the Gracie's. It was easer to get draws in newaza so they researched turtle positions. this was NOT a world Jujutsu champion as there was NO world jujutsu championship to win. and he makes a decree that will change Judo for the rest of its history. I say this from the most objective source there is. CLEARLY this is Judo! Not the Olympic Judo of today. but General MacArthur! For almost twenty years. There my friends is the smoking gun. and watch the first match. or as they call it Brazilian Jiujitsu <judovsbjj. so in a very short time they had to develop players who could compete. the techniques. wrestlers were begining to defeat many Judo "champions" (hard to say. Next lesson. BOTH these men were highly trained and knew and understood Judo in all its aspects. BJJ/GJJ is not a version of jujutsu.man will beat a good little man. under the direction of the Americian Forces there. It would be "Judo" experts in other parts of the world that would have to move the ball for the next several years. Kimura was another Kodokan Judo master who made his living as a prize fighter.
Second. Even if they were strangled. running the show. he has no real in depth knowledge of Judo. I for one would LOVE to see a Kosen School vs BJJ/GJJ <judovsbjj. it is not only acceptable.t they pass Royces guard?"." Sound like any group of people you know? Look at Royce's last two NHB fights.fighting for their country and their school. players are not always great coaches and vice versa.they refused to give in or say maitta (I quit)! This was the background of the Kosen students . good ballance and one hot throw is going to "retire" from fighting around 4th or 5th dan this way. they fought for the school." Then: "The Kosen Judo students were the elite of the time. BOTH of them he used the basic Kosen skill of defense to prevent his opponent from doing ANYTHING to put him in danger of losing. While others find this "cheating" (or whatever else they are saying). truth be told. who has a strong game. Now. Prior to this there were many Judo schools with full and ballanced programs.html> school event! So. and on and on. Years latter he will be an 8th dan. we could say the same to Wally Jay. he may not even be able to teach you how to do what he did. Again. here in the US. A young man. you are NOT going to have a successful commercial club (only because you are not going to be giving the paying customer what they are looking for). Moving to the late 60's early 70's era. It is perfectly normal for them to feel this way. YET. this is a Kosen remark from the second part of their training. like ANY country that has taken Judo home with it. Now. and numerous others who are really doing a version of Judo by training method and technique. direct. ANYTHING else is of minor importance. and that AFTER the MacArthur ban (something Brazil didn't have to deal with). learning how to defeat the defensive fighter. todays BJJ/GJJ players have a more direct route to Kano than the current crop of "Sport Judo" fighters! Current Judo people have ONLY seen what the IJF rules say Judo is. Clearly the top BJJ/GJJ fighters are at the top of the world with their Newaza skills.. the SOLE goal of almost 90% of ALL judo clubs. Most people walking into your door are not trying to win an olympic medal! This "paradyme" shift really turned Judo upside down in many ways. then to overcome the defensive positions and achieve a win. the BJJ/GJJ people have focused on a certin aspect and improved upon those aspects. you are going to have people with only a brown belt knowledge of Judo. Why not call it Judo? You'll have to wait until next time to find out! am going to make a jump here..At first they prasticed in order to achieve a draw. In fact. I submit to you that if that is your only goal. I want to talk about the two things that have brought us to where we are today. bitter arguements. They became very proficient at these simple. but a true skill! How many times have you heard BJJ/GJJ people say about those matches "Well. and their team. when placed in the context of the Kosen Judo roots of their style. Worse. or if their arms were broken they didn't quit . ask yourself a central question. John Saylor. is to train people to win olympic gold medals. First. Was Wally . running judo in America. The problem with this is very simple. why call it "Jiujitsu" when clearly this is just their way to do Judo? Well. some terrible backstage actions. Sooner or later. why didn. the judo club. and this is the central issue. It created political problems. it became commom prastice to give high judo ranks to people soly on the basis of tourniment wins.. but effective tasks.
Gene Lebell.Jay a Judo-ka? He says so. it was NOT uncommon for a person to have a hidden weapon. and created randori sessions to drill these. and every other way their family tree goes. every Gracie from Helio on down. was the training center for the Detroit Police Department. THEY are the ones keeping the real Judo alive! (This is how it was when I was there. just men doing judo the way they thought it should be done. and there is at least a 6th dan there at all times to supervise those classes. These men simply walked away when they saw where Judo was going. and bring it into play at a moment of error or distaction. in those days the DPD had their own team and PAL program for city youth. I could fill these pages just with the back door bs that was pulled on my school by the "powers that be". They created a set of techniques called "Renkoho" or "arresting techniques". and winning matches at the Police events is a MUST for promotions. Taking Kano's idea of a "striking" randori forward. John Saylor. Earning rank. How about Gene LeBell? John Saylor? OK. The defender was NEVER padded. it must be noted that the changes from Kodokan Judo to Olympic Judo did not sit well with the Police! In the mid-sixties. same for pinning him. In Japan. power struggles. when you see how much Gene did. To avoid confusion. in its heyday. in fact. they haven't been told either. One would think that people would want a large turn out for an event like this. You MUST train either before or after your shift. When you add the concept of a hidden weapon to the match.. and yes. theirs is one of the top places Olympic Players train! But they saw the need to "keep it real" as it were. why only contact a selected few? This is the major reason I am working through the AAU about holding Kosen Judo events. This is NOT to say that the Tokyo Police do not train in Olympic Judo. police take their training VERY seriously.. I do not know about current Police work in Japan) The history of Judo being taught to Police goes all the way back to the 1886 Tokyo Police challenge matches. but with out the politicts. they created the first idea of a "padded" attacker. In Randori sessions. and that they were powerless to stop it. This tradition went all over the world. Clearly these were not battlefield ryu-ha. and in MANY cases was injured in this . Japan is a knife culture and this is a grave error. it is hard to do that and fool people that you have a true in depth knowledge of Judo. he'd be on a board of directors somewhere!!!! But then again. why no fliers? There are several BJJ/GJJ schools that have gone to these events. But lets just say a prayer of thanks to Wally Jay. there was a definate "break" from Kodokan tradition at the Police Academy. But more of that in another post. Michigan Judo has a web site. They took the Kosen idea that throwing a person face down was a better combat idea than throwing him face up. The Detroit Judo club. you see the reason for this. here is the question. across. and single minded focus of the current US Judo world. WHY is there nothing there about the Konan Shiai at MSU next Sunday? My Uncle has had the same school and location for 20 years. This came from too many officers being stabed when "grabbing" a suspect in the now standard Judo manner (lapel and sleeve). and I've seen him work many times and of course he is. This would keep you on your toes. In fact. But let me make it real clear. why do these people have NOTHING to do with Judo in this counrty any more? You would think. However. the word "jujitsu" began popping up again..
Revisionist History Let us begin with a simple quote that will set the stage for our discussion today: "Prior to the end of WWII. Five years later. drilled them with Mark Scott for two solid years). But to close. The prohibition against carrying on martial arts and ways declared by SCAP in 1945 included Judo and resulted in its technical stagnation. Kano Risei. The very first European Championships were held in Paris in 1951. much to the dissatisfaction of many traditionalists who view Judo as a Japanese cultural activity. Judo in Japan rose to an all time high of technical perfection. Although exponents looked forward to competition. EVERYONE got quiet. He taught me the Police Randori methods (and for those of you in this area. 2nd. the second that he did. and a very strong Judoka as well. 3rd dans (each with their own division). this will be on it. The kendo shinai was modified to be the size of their telescoping baton. The Kano Cup came along in 1978. There were no weight classes and Anton Geesink took third place. and finally an open division." (Donn F. and this was drilled at well. listen! This does NOT mean that their core Judo skills were ignored. and the Tournoi De Paris in 1971. ONE japanese police officer walked into the bar. far from it. then 1st. He organized the Zen Nippon Judo Remmi (All Japan Judo Federation) in 1949 and assumed leadership over the administrative and technical aspects of Judo. Nevertheless. Japan on May 3. and yes. he would be the first non-Japanese to win the Gold medal. I was VERY fortunate to have trained with Frank Aul. Nuff said. at the third World Championship. But what they felt was that a good Judo man would be better able to apply the Taiho-jutsu skills BECAUSE of his Judo training.training! The "armor" was modified Kendo Armor and is now of course used by many karate programs around the world. made resolute efforts to rebuild the technical integrity of Japan's Judo under the aegis of the Kodokan. who was a DPD officer for many years. More so when I had a chance to go to Japan in 1975 and train at the Tokyo Police school as a guest (thank all of you for not killing me). and respectful. When Judo was finally reinstated in 1947. This emphasis began with the organization of the first truly national Japanese Judo championships in 1948. Finally this was codified into a system called "Taiho-jutsu" or sometimes "Keijutsukai". adopted son of Kano Jigoro and third president of the Kodokan. Kano Risei's policies nevertheless placed emphasis on Judo as a competitive sport. the Fukuoka Cup in 1983. The very first World Judo Championships were held in Tokyo. Modern Budo and Bujutsu Vol 3. Clearly. 1956. and with the armor could be used full power. the real purpose of all training was seishin tanren. let us now revisit the notion that Kano created Judo to be . NOW. Draeger. With the interesting division of not weight.. the way all judo training is conducted today continues to be one in which experts for World and Olympic competitions are formed. Page 123) Now lets add a few other facts to the above. Judo in Japan today is primarily a sport. or spiritual forging. if I ever get the idea that someone wants a real video course in Judo. The Atemi-waza was brought back (sometimes now called Nihon-Kempo). Although aware of the cultural values of Kodokan Judo. I remember being on Okinawa in a bar with at least 50 drunken service men. With all of the information above firmly in our minds. this is a VITAL approach to Judo.. but rank! Brown belt.
Hiza Guruma. and give no hint even of basic principles and techniques. a drop tai otoshi. at present. yet entirely neglects such important phases as throwing and mat fighting. . cross choke from the guard and the mount. most of them too complicated for the average student of judo. Only one of the forms of Judo training. to some extent. it is a means for personal cultural attainment.. but how do you square that with Jigoro Kano's own words printed in the Budokwai Bulletin. Fundamentals of mat fighting (Kesa. Its copyright is 1942. special problems in handling mob violence. To prove this all we have to do is read quotes about Judo prior to 1947. sliding choke from the mount. Let's read from its preface: "The fault of most books purposing to teach judo is either too much text poorly illustrated or too many pictures poorly explained. April 1947: "I have been asked by people of various sections as to the wisdom and possibility of judo being introduced with other games and sports at the Olympic Games. judo men (judoka) practice it only as a sport to be played against other Judo men. general hand to hand tactics has been discontinued. except for. but today they are practiced and conducted as sports. What is also clear is that Risei Kano's sole goal was to promote Judo as a modern sport. why wait sixty-six years to have a true national championship? Or Seventy-five years to have a world championship? More interesting. Ippon Seoi Nage. Yoko Otoshi blocking the ankle..However this book fails to show how these tricks can be used for simple attack or self-defense. and remember Draeger said not everyone liked the change to pure sport. then again after 1947.also contains a number of major throws and locks. Tsurikomi Goshi.. If this were so. One of the best books. Soto Makikomi.. why were there no such things until AFTER Jigoro Kano's death? Clearly when we read Draeger the answer is plain. For one thing.Lets look at what is in this book shall we? Introduction. It's application for self-defense is rarely taught in Judo schools. is rather passive. Judo in reality is not a mere sport or game. Judo was NOT a sport until the reopening of the Kodokan in 1947.. Do you think this interview was printed to make a point about the new direction for Judo? But lets take this to the finish line! In front of me I have a book called "Modern Judo" by Charles Yerkow. I have no objection. Breaking the Falls (Ukemi). Another contains a great variety of tricks and breaks used in mat-fighting. Hane Goshi. In fact.. Let's look at a quote from the Sport of Judo by Kobayashi and Sharp to see that point: "Although Judo is based on the martial arts of Japan (Bujutsu). If it be the desire of other member countries. the same may be said of boxing and fencing." Hmmmm. O Guruma. Certainly." Note the date. My view on the matter. Kami shiho. Judo Principles and the art of throwing (Kuzushi and De ashi Barai. Formerly a part of the curriculum of all Japanese police academies. Tomoe Nage." Interesting. art and science. and Mune Gatame. Morote Seoi Nage. Harai goshi. One book deals painstakingly with every major trick of self-defense and simple attack. so-called Randori or free practice can be classified as a form of sport.a sport. But I do not feel inclined to take any initiative. O soto gari. Ko Soto gari. I regard it as a principle of life. Kami Basami (interesting version from the "gracie get up" position) and Kata Guruma).
interesting single lapel choke from the rear guard. where are the modern Judo texts teaching it? Reread the contents of "modern judo' then read Kobauashi's quote again. passing the guard. For us to learn where we need to go. wrist lock come-along. as it would take almost 30 years to pass before the Gracies would arrive and show everyone that Kano was right in the first place. In closing. you can see it every day in dozens of examples. It would take a while but in time this would indeed be the way judo was practiced in every corner of the globe. Individually Developed Technique (interesting chapter on creating "your" judo attacks). Top wrist lock from the mount. cross body arm lock from the guard. how many of them want to train in an Olympic sport to earn a medal? (This is the focus of USA Judo and has been for over 30 years). side headlock choke. Wally Jay. Simple attacks and Nerve Centers (spin turn into rear choke. Well. Of course there is. Now. spinning cross body arm lock from the mount (yep the one on all the BJJ tapes!) Bent arm lock out of kesa gatame. I am not here to flame but to instruct. interesting). Atemi-waza with numerous strikes and nerve grips) The science of self-defense (numerous Judo defenses from attacks of all types including weapons). but to educate. after the dust has now settled. Body development exercises (looks like yoga. This of course was very bad. defense for same. straight ankle lock. handshake wrist lock. and lets be honest in the answers! 1. He did this and everyone got in it. arm between legs come along. most people did. . So let me ask some very hard questions. outside wrist lock. we need to understand where we are. Clearly something is amiss. hadaka jime bar and CVR from the rear. we can see that after 1947 the Kodokan had changed into a sporting academy to spread the new "Sport of Judo" to the world. defense for the defense by turning from over into a rear bent leg lock. leg lock from a throw. hammerlock come-along. inside arm spinner into hammerlock. straight arm lock come-along. it ushered in the Karate fad. reverse into mat work from being thrown). In this case Risei Kano had to create a new direction the Kodokan reopened. it is not my intent to anger.well. I would hope all of you could do the same. outside wrist spinner. Of the number of people who walk into a commercial dojo. lapel and groin pull takedown. if anyone wants to say that Judo after 1947 is the same as what you just read above. and many others you have never heard of like Ernie Cates. I only have the one but am working on getting the other two. block arms into O goshi. In my humble opinion. and its called revisionist history. I have a question. push down into front guillotine. This should not be a new concept to most of you. for Judo to get line behind people like the their methods we Not to leave anyone out the same can be said for Gene LeBell. leg scissors choke (not a triangle but a neck scissors). I was able to absorb these facts by keeping an open mind. Fortunately for us we have Gracies who didn't make those changes and by studying can see what Judo was like before it was changed.. when this happened. and ended the Judo one. BTW this is only Vol 1 of a three-volume set.
stronger. Now. Of the number of people who walk into a commercial dojo. Since you know about the tournament between the Fusen Ryu and the Kodokan. They used many of the same submissions and osaekomi. or armed? (I remember yawara sticks and canes being taught in Judo classes. look up Seikyoku-Zen'yo Kokumin-Taiiku sometime and you will see Kano had Tae-Bo before Billy Blanks ever did! I can go on but you get the point. not for THEM to serve you or your traditions. I have heard two different stories regarding Kosen. I have old books from 1942 where these techniques are taught in detail). I won't even bother to speak to silly political fights and the like. the other story stays that most Kodokan Judokas at the turn of the century also practiced Kosen Judo." Archived From the Judo Q & A @ Submission Fighting. I am curious as to the origin of the groundwork techniques of Maeda.com <http://submissionfighting. people walking in the door were there for YOU to serve them. how many of them want to learn effective. and its relation to Kosen Judo or Maeda. when a national health mag listed Judo Randori as the second most effective aerobic exercise in the world. Does anyone know anything about this. the first was it was a school of Judo established between 1920-1930. but in different ways. practical self-defense? (Which has not been the focus of the Kodokan from 1947 to present?) 3. for instance) and immediately apply a finishing hold or . Is there any relationship? I am aware of the 1900 challange match between Fusen and the Kodokan. I am also curious as to Fusen Ryu Jiu-Jitsu. The older ryu of Jiu Jitsu. faxia roxa (8/1/99 5:29:18 pm) Nic. I want you to ask the questions again but use the words BJJ/GJJ and you will clearly see that Rorion Gracie understood one very simple fact. especially those locked into "Judo is a sport" thinking. second only to swimming. 4. Kosen. or they would go to the ground (if the opponent landed softly from a throw or by using a standing sub to take the opponent down. 1985. He made a few bucks by understanding that too. They either applied the techniques standing. including the Kito and Tenshin Shinyo schools.2. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Of the number of people who walk into a commercial dojo.The best forum on the web Post script from Faxia Rosa's Forum: NicD (8/1/99 4:15:29 pm) Fusen Ryu. Maeda and BJJ origins Does anyone know if Maeda (the Judoka the taught the Gracies) trained in Kosen Judo. I assume you know that the Fusen team won largely because of their superior newaza. did not do newaza in the sense we know think of it. what did the judo people in America do with that information? (can you say tae-bo boys and girls?). I will work backwards in answering your questions as I think they will make more sense in the reverse order. Before it is asked. how many of them will actually be able to apply Judo to someone bigger. Too bad most people can't see that. In approx.com> .
So many of the Judoka at the Kodokan were also Kosen people. Many of the great names of Judo. tho challenge matches happened. Kosen Judo is not a "style" in the sense that Shotokan Karate is a style and Ryukyu Kenpo Karate is another style. what we today think of as "groundfighting". So they learned. but what they are doing is still Judo. Other Combat Sport Links: Hundreds of Judo Links here <http://dmoz.blow (usually from an osaekomi position).org/Sports/Martial_Arts/Grappling/Judo/> Mixed Martial Arts. There is the Kosen Judo tradition which was developed largely in the universities of Japan early in the Century (read the thread about Kosen Judo for more details on the system itself).mixedmartialarts. like Kawaishi and Mifune. The Kosen people are specialists in a part of their Judo. And as for any relation between both Maeda and the Kosen people and the Fusen Ryu. or spend minutes working for a submission. It was during this time that the Fusen Ryu developed. or fight from the guard. I doubt whether there was any more direct a relationship than there was between any other Judoka and the Fusen Ryu: they contributed most of the concepts of newaza to Judo. Kano was very open minded about what should be a part of Judo. Now to fit this in to your questions. and that is where the concept of newaza in Judo comes from. They did not transition between hold downs.e.com <http://www. It would not have been appropriate as these arts were meant primarily for battlefield combat when the student lost his weapon. were. But they are all Kodokan Judo. There isn't that much distinction between Kosen Judo and Kodokan Judo. their is no other Judo. there is the Kaiwashi tradition which is the Judo Kawaishi brought to France and it is very similar to Kosen Judo. they were generally quite deadly). secondarily for street fighting defense. i. However. both of the same art. never for sport (at least not what we think of as sport. Kano asked the Fusen Ryu master to teach he and his team their newaza. After the Kodokan team lost. and a few others. tho many of the actual submissions and hold downs had already been inherited from the Tenshin Shinyo Ryu.com> . there is the Zen Judo tradition which is very much focused purely of self defense and does a lot of kata. there was no longer a need for JJ on the battlefield. and so did all the Kosen people. But when the Meiji Restoration came about. and tho one is possible. it to me doesn't point to any influence outside of Judo. They may do certain things that a lot of mainstream Judoka don't but that is just because it is a part of their focus. and created newaza. "Kosen Judo" was originally just a group of standard Judoka who practiced mostly newaza. Maeda learned these concepts as a Judoka. I don't have specific information as to whether or not Maeda was one of these people. there are different traditions of Judo. because it is ALL Kodokan Judo. but given the time in which he studied Judo and the direction BJJ has taken. then stand up. they aren't separate styles. I do not of any further relationship of either the Kosen people or Maeda to the Fusen Ryu. I would say it is extremely likely that he was a Kosen person as well as a mainstream Kodokan Judoka. So the relationship is between the Fusen Ryu and Judo in general. there isn't really much evidence to support it.
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