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BILL: When California recently voted down Prop 19—to legalize pot – I spoke to Larry Bouchard, MA, the most dedicated drug/alcohol counselor I know. A Californian himself, he was very pleased by the outcome. "My most belligerent patients were marijuana-only addicts. Their 5-year recovery rate is near zilch. Marijuana impairs judgment, distorts audio and optical perception and eye-hand coordination. Bill, my grandchildren will soon be driving in this state." DR. DAVE: During Prohibition, a lot of doctors suddenly began writing prescriptions for imported Canadian whiskey, as a medical cure-all. In a similar manner, marijuana supporters have been promoting all-but-legal pot, once again for whatever ails you. Sort of like the 19th Century "Magic Elixirs" sold at carnivals to cure whatever ailed you—1 part cocaine and 2 parts alcohol! BILL: What do you think of argument that if you end pot prohibition, the state could tax it. "Instead of building prisons," one supporter said to me, "we could build schools." DR. DAVE: Even with the tax windfall sorely needed by a state sinking into debt, the voters rejected that argument. It wasn't even close, with 54% voting ‘No'. BILL: U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced just before this last election that the administration would enforce the federal law fully even if Prop 19 passed. DR. DAVE: All the Feds are doing is pointing out that the pot promoters have done nothing to be responsible about its downside of creating intoxication. And getting loaded on pot is a big underground business in California. BILL: Remember the old parable about King Canute? Driven egotistically mad by the flattery of his courtiers, Canute had his throne brought down to the sea and told the tides to retreat upon his command. Dave, this determination not to legalize pot reminds me of Canute. After all the millions spent, the helicopter search flights, jails and lives ruined, at the recent end of the "2010 enforcement season" (as they call it in California), the Campaign Against Marijuana Planting reported that 411,0004 pot plants were seized in Tuolumne County, 572,680 in Mendocino. Almost one million in just two counties alone. Dave, the tide just keeps rolling in. DR. DAVE: Even "The Governator" was out socially promoting California's laissez faire attitude on Jay Leno's show this week. BILL: I saw that - telling the world that in California "no one cares if you smoke a joint or not." DR.DAVE: As if smoking a "joint" is in the same category as having a cold Pina Colada on a hot San Diego beach. BILL: Since I never liked pot, legal or not, perhaps I can claim an objective point of view. A drunk speeding at 100 mph is a public menace. But we don't outlaw cars, we punish the drunk. Just like scotch or gin, pot can be abused. We don't punish the occasional drinker. Why punish people who occasionally light up for recreational use? DR.DAVE: One of the chief arguments used by the proponents of Proposition 19. They are already gearing up for another try in 2012 because they believe there will be more young adults voting, in a Presidential election year. BILL: Sort of looking for the "Stoner Vote?" DR. DAVE: The real question is, how will the moderate voters swing in the next 2 years? BILL: I think we can agree that the top-of-the-lungs brawl between the moral abolitionists and the aging Cheech and Chong generation does not shed any light. Didn't the subject come up in a recent Colorado election?
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DR. DAVE: The issue there wasn't to ban or legalize pot. The vote was on taking steps to regulate and tax the marijuana dispensaries. At last count, all those measures were passing. That seems to be the next logical step in medical marijuana--start to apply the same standards of regulation and control as we do to pharmacies and drug companies. BILL: Have you been reading about these places that are marketing gourmet pot? They're competing to see who can offer the best baked goods containing the patient's "medicine." DR. DAVE: Clearly, some health care regulation is in order. It certainly beats waiting for the San Francisco City Council to ban the adult version of "Happy Meals--" BILL: --unless the hash brownies are made from whole grain organic flour? # Dr. David Moore is a licensed psychologist and chemical dependency professional who is a graduate school faculty memb er at Argosy University's Seattle Campus. Bill Manville is a Book of the Month novelist; his most recent work of non-fiction, "Cool, Hip & Sob er," is availab le at online b ookstores. Bill also teaches "Writing To Get Pub lished" for Temple University and at writers.com.
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11:03:33 AM Thank you for an intelligent back and forth on this matter. Nov 12, 2010 Unfortunately, most conversations come from a purely prolegalization and do not give a voice to those of us who are against it. It would also do everyone well to remember, that we are not talking about something important like providing health care to everyone, we are talking about the selfish need to get high. Report Offensive Post
12:51:33 PM Two babbling idiots with zero intelligence on the topic at hand. What a Nov 12, 2010 waste of editorial space. Their opinions are irrelevant on this topic. Report Offensive Post
12:58:40 PM Also, kamandi, I suppose you've never witnessed anyone one Nov 12, 2010 suffering greatly from "wasting disease" (lack of appetite) due to cancer which causes severe mal-nutrition. I've had numerous doctors here in NJ suggest to me, on the side of course, that my best option is to get the patient marijuana vs the alternative man-made **** Marinol which does nothing but make a patient more sick. But oh, the govt. backs Marinol because it's man-made by Big Pharma which continues to pad their pockets. Sure, there are many who support the legalization simply to get high, but what's it to you? Ever see severely intoxicated people spilling out of a bar at 2AM and hop right into their cars? As long as alcohol and tobacco are legal in this country, I will
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continue to reiterate my point that marijuana is no where near as bad as either one of those legal "drugs". Can't wait to get home from work and smoke a fat J. Report Offensive Post
1:52:48 PM It's time for us all to stop being ignorant hypocrites and start being Nov 12, 2010 TRUE conservatives! Pragmatic libertarians (minimal-statists) and "true" Conservatives agree that many, if not most, of society's problems are caused by government usurping choices that could better be made by individuals and that government is just about the worst way of doing almost anything. Where libertarianism normally parts company with "fake" conservatism is over moral issues. But a true conservative would have no problem with agreeing, that what people do with their own bodies, and especially in the privacy of their own home, should be supremely their business, and that anything else would entail ignoring the basic tenet of limited government. Fake-Conservatism on the other hand has much in common with socialism; Both Leftists and Fake-Conservatives appear to harbor the belief that nature does not exist and that any human can be anything he wants to be, or can for the "greater good", be "re-educated" i Report Offensive Post
1:54:52 PM If you support prohibition then you are NOT a conservative. Nov 12, 2010 Conservative principles, quite clearly, ARE: 1) Limited, locally controlled government. 2) Individual liberty coupled with personal responsibility. 3) Free enterprise. 4) A strong national defense. Prohibition is actually an authoritarian War on the Constitution and all civic institutions of our great nation. It's all about the market and cost/benefit analysis. Whether any particular drug is good, bad, or otherwise is irrelevant! As long as there is demand for any mind altering substance, there will be supply; the end! The only affect prohibiting it has is to drive the price up, increase the costs and profits, and where there is illegal profit to be made criminals and terrorists thrive. Report Offensive Post
1:56:32 PM The cost of criminalizing citizens who are using substances no more Nov 12, 2010 harmful than similar things that are perfectly legal like alcohol and tobacco, is not only hypocritical and futile, but also simply not worth the incredible damage it does. Prohibition provides America's sworn enemies with financial "aid" and tactical "comforts". The Constitution of the United States of America defines treason as: "Article III / Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Support for prohibition is therefor an act of treason against the Constitution, and a dire threat to the nation's civic institutions. Report Offensive Post
11:55:27 PM Hey, kamandi, is the "selfish need to get high" anything like the Nov 12, 2010 selfish and completely irrational desire to micro-manage the private lives of others, and to keep people from making their own choices? This is supposed to be a free country, not a dictatorship with kamandi making people's decisions. Yes, the majority of these posts come from those who enjoy cannabis, but also from people like Malcolm and I who have a pathological desire for public policy to be based on truth and respect for the natural right of personal autonomy. We also have a strange congenital defect that makes us outraged when people post up a series of bald faced lies, half truths and hysterical rhetoric, which is the sum total of substance that comes from people who for some insane piece of reasoning think they have the right to come into my home and to tell me how to live my life. Hey you know, maybe I should come over to your house and make some decisions on how you live your life? Do you have any drinking al Report Offensive Post
11:59:23 PM Hey you know, maybe I should come over to your house and make Nov 12, 2010 some decisions on how you live your life? Do you have any drinking alcohol? How about if we start by pouring it down the drain. Religion is absolute nonsense, so whatever religious icons or holy books you have, we're going to toss in the fire place. Well unless your Jewish. No, I'm not one of the 144,000 but the Jews have been picked on since before the alleged birth of Christ and they're the one organized religion that hasn't attempted to manipulate or force people of other faiths to become Jewish or get murdered. Also, they endorsed the passage of Prop 19. But don't worry, since it's winter you'll save a few pennies on your heating bill so it won't be a total waste. But the simple fact of the matter is that you are absolutely incorrect about the poppycock claim that this is about 'the selfish need to get high.' Are you stupid enough to think that I don't get high already? I haven't had any problem getting high since t Report Offensive Post
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