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Abducted by Aliens

Or How I Learned to Cope With High Strangeness, Government Harassment, and

My Mother (a True Story)
by Chuck Weiss

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166: The Research of Melinda Leslie: Part 4

In this series of posts, I present the ground-breaking research of Melinda Leslie, a brave woman who
investigates what she calls the re-abductions of ET abductees by a secret arm of our intelligence
community. She’s written a comprehensive presentation of her work that she gives at UFO conventions
around the country, and she has given me permission to republish it here in its entirety. (It’s also
available at her website for a modest fee.) Because Melinda’s work touches on so much of what I’ve
experienced directly, and on what has been communicated to me by Harold’s chorus of Grays, I’ve also
added my comments that appear below her text in bold-italic type. Ms. Leslie has not reviewed my
comments and they do not necessarily reflect her views.

Reprinted From:
“The Covert-Ops’ Reverse-Engineering
of Extraterrestrial Abductees”
© 2010 Melinda Leslie

What Are My Experiences?

[Just want to be clear. These are descriptions of Ms. Leslie’s experiences, not mine. – CW]
I have the basic “standard” and “normal” ET abduction experiences and the following military
involvement experiences:
• Harassment & Surveillance experiences
Helicopter incidents, phone incidents, threats, influenced to harm self.
• Military re-abductions and alien/military combined experiences
1. Early 1990 – 2 roommates witnessed “military men” shouting orders to me in the
middle of the night. I have no memory or this.
2. July 27, 1990 – Missing time while driving with 2 friends, taken by ETs with a man
in naval uniform present monitoring the procedures.
3. July 21, 1993 – Gynecological medical procedures performed by humans in an
underground facility Haz-Mat clean-room environment.
4. Nov. 23, 1993 – Flown on human built triangular ship, miscommunication screw-up,
drugs administered and interrogated about ET technology.
5. Mid 1990s – Experience with a friend while traveling in Sedona Arizona. Car
stopped by military personnel and I was escorted away from my friend.
6. Late 1990s – Interrogation and threatened with a gun put to my head in military style
tent on a military base located in California desert.
7. Aug. 20 2000 – Abducted with friend out of her apartment and taken to underground
base. Both of us were interrogated, threatened, and saw reptilian with military. Photo
evidence of break in to home.
In November of 1993 I was abducted, drugged, and taken by two men in camouflage to an underground
facility. In this experience I was also flown on a triangle shaped craft and left standing alone in a large
empty hanger.
I have undergone extensive hypnosis regressions concerning this event. When I was discovered being
alone in the hanger, by what appeared to be one of the pilots of the triangle craft that flew me, he walked
up to me and said, “You’re not supposed to be here.” . . . “What are you still doing here? . . . and then he
yelled at me, “Why are you still here?!!!”
This pilot then escorted me out of the hanger, which backed into an underground tunnel, and out into the
tunnel, which appeared to be an underground road. The pilot was cussing under his breath the entire
time and looking around for someone who could explain why I was left alone. It appears that someone
was supposed to have been there waiting for me and was not. In the tunnel, we were met by 3 military
guards, 2 guys in lab coats, and an older gentleman in a green full dress military Naval uniform who
came walking from way down this road.
According to Helmut Lammer, and I agree with him, this experience shows that not all the military
personnel on the base had the “need to know” concerning what was going on. And that there was some
sort of communication breakdown that caused the confusion. Or, it may have been made to appear that
After the pilot was rebuked and released, I was escorted into a room off the tunnel by the 3 guards, the
man in full uniform and the 2 guys in lab coats. Inside there was a conference table and chairs. One of
the guards quickly grabbed one of the chairs, sliding it across the linoleum floor, swung it around, and
very forcibly pointed for me to sit in it. The man in full uniform said, as if to apologize for the guard’s
behavior, “Please won’t you sit down?” Then he said something to the guards and he and the older of
the 2 men in lab coats exited the room, turned immediately and entered a door to a room with a two-way
mirror window, just adjacent to the room we were in.
As I was sitting there in the chair with the 3 guards stand in “parade rest” around me, a red-haired man
in khaki uniform entered the room from the other side. He excused the guards, who were referring to
him as Captain, and they then left and only he and the younger man in the lab coat remained. The man
in the lab coat gave me a shot in the arm. Also, he later had me drink a very bitter chalky tasting fluid.
I was very frightened as this red-hair Captain started to accuse me of having done something wrong.
Like the screw-up I witnessed had somehow been my fault. He pointed his finger at me and spoke very
harshly. He kept looking in my eyes like he was expecting to see them change from the drugs taking
effect. He turned to the guy in the lab coat who nodded to him. I could soon feel the drugs coming on.
When this red-haired Captain spoke, it was like he was speaking in slow motion. When he moved his
arms, I could see the movement of his arm. I knew I had just been heavily drugged.
I was having a hard time understanding what he was asking me. I was extremely confused and did not
understand what he was accusing me of. I did not know what it was I had done wrong. I told him I
didn’t do anything. I kept telling him that I didn’t know what he wanted. He accused me further of
being uncooperative and threatened me. I pleaded with him to just ask me again.
At this point he signaled to the guy in the lab coat, who then turned and opened the door to the room.
The guards came back in and grabbed me by the arms and escorted me out the door, across the room,
and into another door. In a small dark room were standing a bunch of guards, big guys, who then
pushed me around in what was a horrifying and frightening experience. They made me think I was
going to die. I really thought they were going to kill me. I was knocked back onto the floor and I
started to kick and scream and push them away. Eventually they picked me up, the door was opened,
and in walked one of the previous guards, who then escorted me back to the interrogation room where
the red-haired captain and the guy in the white lab coat were still waiting.
The red-haired man then asked me questions about the alien’s technology. Helmut Lammer said in his
book that he does not believe that the alien hybrids in military uniforms described by David Jacobs
would be interested in the experiences of humans, which were allegedly done by the creators of the
hybrids! This, as Helmut points out, would be very strange, since the alien/hybrids should know more
about the motives and technology of the alleged alien abductors than the abductees would.
[That would depend on who made the hybrid, the Grays or Majestic. I was told that any ETs seen
working with the military are Majestic’s clones, created using DNA recovered from downed ET craft.
Both sides also maintain their own separate hybrid program. Those beings created by Majestic
(either as a hybrid or through cloning) are under their control, and are probably kept on a “short
leash” and informed on a “need to know” basis only. – CW]
In my interrogation, they were most interested in information about the UFO technology as well as
motives of the aliens. I was asked; “What have they asked you? Tell me about their technology. Tell
me about the drive system, the drive mechanism. How do you know about it? How are you able to do
it? Tell me about what they told you to do! What did they tell you? What did they ask you to do? Tell
me, tell me, tell me.” He ended here with saying, “You know, you’re not theirs . . . you are ours! . . .”
This interrogation was very traumatic since I cannot recall that I answered his questions. My
hypnotherapist calmed me down as I had begun crying due to that last remark. As Helmut pointed out,
after this interrogation I was brainwashed; “You couldn’t tell me now even if you wanted to,” he said,
“You can’t talk right now. You couldn’t tell me even if you tried. We fixed that. Don’t try! You won’t
remember any of this, we fixed it!”
“You won’t remember this! It’s a bad dream. We are taking care of that! You will not remember! This
will all be but a dream to you. You were never here. I don’t exist . . . None of this is happening.” His
final words were, “and I will see you again.” As Helmut points out, I tried to resist the brainwashing
procedure, although I was drugged. Helmut also says that historic mind-control experiments document
procedures similar to my interrogation.
Helmut goes on to say that it is typical in these scenarios that the interrogated abductee can’t remember
what he/she replies to the interrogator. Most remember some of the questions, but not the answers. He
added that I found this experience very frustrating, and he’s right, I did!
Helmut adds from his extensive research into mind control practices: If MILAB abductees are
programmed to spy for the military, the victim may switch between 2 personalities that have been
created by the interrogators. And while one may understand some of the questions, it is the other
personality that would be giving the answers. Thus, as a consequence, the abductee would have these
memory gaps.
[When I read this part, it freaked me out! It certainly explains why I felt such deference for the
people I let into my apartment that night in late 2008. (Again I refer to posts 132 and 133 “An
Unsettling Discovery.”) The splitting of a captured enemy agent’s personality by our intelligence
community (in order to create a “double agent”) has long been suspected by conspiracy researchers.
As I understand it, the procedure was developed for use on Soviet spies during the cold war. As
frightening a thought as it may be to Abductee/Experiencers, it makes perfect sense that they would
do the same thing to us. To purposely split the personality of another person, though, is to mess with
the very core of their being. National security concerns be damned. The ends do not justify these
means! – CW]
Helmut details many cases of this kind of “programmed to spy” information retrieval process with the
abductees. As it turns out, to my total amazement, my experience was just an example of what many
abductees are experiencing. It would appear that each of us is being used in some way to gather
information during our abductions so that our interrogators can retrieve it at a later time. I had no
understanding of what had happened to me until reading Helmut’s article, and I had absolutely no idea
that this bazaar line of questioning was like anything any other abductee had ever experienced!

Why “RE-ABS” and not “MILABS”?

A brief history of MILABS
• Helmut Lammer’s research – an acronym is born.
[MILAB stands for “Military Abduction.” – CW] Why the name change?
• Tim Binnall’s quote inspired me.
[Unfortunately Ms. Leslie didn’t quote the quote in the written notes of her presentation. – CW]
• Misidentification problems and incorrect assumptions.
1. “All Abductions are military only, there are no aliens.”
2. “It’s all mind control.”
3. “All MILABs are false abductions.”
[There is a faction within the conspiracy community that contends that ALL reports of Alien
Abduction are covers for CIA/military mind control projects. – CW]
• The term MILAB fall short of including what is going on with the covert intelligence
involvement & fails to address WHY it is!.
While RE-Abs does mean “re-abduction,” it also means R.E. - Abs
• The reverse-engineering from abductees and/or reverse engineered abductees.
The new formula for a correct perception: Crash Retrievals + Reverse Engineering +
Abductions = RE-ABS
• There is a relationship between these separate areas of research.

No “Dereliction of Duty”
• Globally, these guys are just doing their jobs!
• It would be a complete “dereliction of duty” if they were not involved! That is, if their job is to
protect and defend a nation.
– I’m not defending what they are doing, but why they might be doing it. What they are doing is
absolutely criminal!
[I call what they’re doing absolutely evil! The root of all evil is the convection that “the end
justifies the means.” That’s just an excuse, however, to pull out all the stops, to ignore all
ethical/moral concerns. Evil can only exist when there are no self-imposed restraints. – CW]
• Even if abductions are thought to only be something psychological, something happening
psychologically to that many people (millions world wide) would still warrant intel agency
• It is the sheer numbers alone that would make this subject a matter of National Security!
Not to mention, which part of abductions they would be the most interesting in (willing to spend
money on)? The Technology!

(To be continued)

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