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Scientology Ruined My Life
SALLY JESSY RAPHAEL Transcript #741 Part 2b of 3 (See also: Part 1, Part 2a, Part 3)
SALLY: An inside speaks out. Someone in the Church of Scientology tells us about it, from the inside, when we return. [Commercial break] SALLY: I told you it was going to be absolutely fascinating. Hana Whitfield knows about the Church of Scientology from the inside. She was a close confidante of the founder of the Church, L. Ron Hubbard. She even lived on his private boat for many years. But now, Hana says, getting out was the best thing she ever did. I want you to talk to us about your experiences with the Church, if you will, Hana. Now, does the Church take these ads on television, it says L. Ron Hubbard's name, and then it says Scientology and there's a book involved. Correct? HANA, Former Scientologist: That's correct. SALLY: The book is called? HANA: Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health. SALLY: Because we've seen all these ads. OK, go back and tell us a little bit -- I mean, how long were you with Scientology? HANA: I'm still embarrassed to say it, 19-1/2 years, especially in front of all these people. SALLY: And you lived on the boat and you were in the inner workings of this? HANA: Yes. Well, I started off at the bottom and fairly rapidly worked my way up. I was promoted upward. And I got into a position of being a senior executive. And, when we were on the ships with Hubbard, I was the captain of one ship, I deputy captained another ship. I was a deputy to Hubbard in the United States for two years. So I held some fairly senior positions.
SALLY: Did the Church do the things that these people are saying that it did? HANA: Absolutely. And it still does them today. SALLY: Did you do these things knowingly? HANA: No. The amazing thing is, when I was in the group, I was never involved with money, with finance; I was involved with legal matters, only for a very short period of time. And those are the two main areas that are the dirty areas in Scientology. They are the ones that were run by the old guardian's office that did the covert operations against Scientology's enemies that -SALLY: Wait, wait, wait, covert operations against Scientology's enemies? HANA: Yes, yes, they ran covert intelligence gathering missions, put together programs to destroy people like Paulette Cooper, after she wrote her book in the '70s, I believe, which was the first major book that came out that was critical of Scientology. SALLY: So there was the phrase, "Attack the attacker." HANA: Exactly. And, if possible, "Ruin him utterly," meaning these are Hubbard statements, out of his own confidential policies: "Ruin your enemy utterly. Destroy him. Obliterate him." I found these things out after -SALLY: This is America -- This is now in America? HANA: Sally, I found out about these things after I left the group. I had no idea -SALLY: Why did you leave the group? HANA: Because I got so ill and so suicidal that if I had stayed, I would have committed suicide. SALLY: You said financial was a big area of this organization. What are we talking about in terms of money? What is this Church or philosophy worth? HANA: To call it a church is actually incorrect, and I just want to add this, it is not correct that all the churches have tax-exempt status. That is not correct. Scientology and current leadership advertise it as such, but it is not. Select churches have tax-exempt status, but not all of them. SALLY: OK. HANA: When Hubbard died in '86, he was attributed to be worth close to $2 billion. And most of that money was in tax havens at that time, in Liechtenstein and Luxembourg. And now there's a new tax haven in Cypress. I don't know, currently, what this organization is worth.
SALLY: But you're talking billions and billions. Speak to me about rehab. HANA: Rehab? SALLY: Yes. HANA: Clarify that for me. SALLY: Were you involved in part of the organization where you did rehab? HANA: Rehabilitation Project Force. Yes, I was -SALLY: What is that? HANA: It's a group within Scientology, to which its dissidents are assigned, people who speak out, people who protest, people who are critical of the organization, but they're still Scientologists. They're taken by force, as I was. Somebody said, one is taken involuntarily but not kidnapped. And I was put into this group. We lived in the garage in the Clearwater Hotel, the Fort Harrison Hotel. We had to run everywhere. We were not allowed to speak to anyone outside our group. We were treated like, my husband calls it a concentration camp. We worked 12 hours a day, we studied eight hours a day. We slept very little. We were considered the dirt of Scientology. And I was in it for a year. SALLY: In it for a year? HANA: Yes. SALLY: If someone came up to you and asked you to donate money to some group -- For example, if somebody came to me and said -- because it's a particular interest of mine -- "Would you give money to Narconon?" you probably would, right? What most people don't know is that Narconon is a group known to have a very strong connection with the Church of Scientology. HANA: Narconon is part and parcel of Scientology. It will not admit it in its literature. In its literature, it adamantly states it is not connected, in any way, to the Church of Scientology. SALLY: But it is, in your opinion? HANA: It is part and parcel of Scientology. SALLY: And it is in the opinion of Time magazine. Now, they've listed a number of groups also affiliated with the Church of Scientology. I'm going to ask you for a sentence on them. riminon. HANA: Criminon is supposed to handle crime, supposed to eliminate crime. It's a front group of Scientology. SALLY: Sterling Management Systems.
HANA: It's a front group of Scientology. SALLY: What do they do? HANA: Its purpose is to recruit professionals into Scientology, because professionals have more money than the people on the street. That is true. That is absolutely true. SALLY: Way-to-Happiness Foundation. HANA: Its purpose is to promote good public relations, and, when one finds out that Scientology created the booklet, one then feels good towards Scientology. SALLY: Applied Scholastics. HANA: It's a front group. SALLY: Sounds good. I'd give money to schooling. HANA: It's a front group of Scientology. SALLY: What does it do? HANA: It teaches Hubbard's educational methods. SALLY: Citizens Commission on Human Rights. HANA: Its purpose and goal is to eliminate psychiatry from the world and put Scientology in psychiatry's place. SALLY: Concerned Businessman's Association of America. I'm wondering how many of these people I've given money to is what I'm thinking. What do they do? HANA: They are a front group, as well, and are supposed to promote Scientology -- It's business, Hubbard's business management techniques, into the society and businesses at large. SALLY: Health Med. HANA: It's supposed to promote Hubbard's medical breakthroughs in eliminating toxins from the body. SALLY: And a book called Diet for a Poisoned Planet. That isn't even sold on those commercials. HANA: No, it isn't. SALLY: But it's a Scientology book?
HANA: I believe so. I don't know too much about that one. SALLY: And the Association for Better Living and Education. HANA: That's the group that runs all the ones you've just mentioned. And it is situated in the Scientology building on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles, ABLE, for short. SALLY: When you worked, for part of your time, you worked in Exit? Is there something called Exit? HANA: Exit counseling or consulting. SALLY: Yeah, what is Exit counseling? HANA: My husband and I -- It's the word used to describe the work we do now. Since we've left Scientology, we now work with families who have a loved one in Scientology. We help them to educate the loved one, so the loved one can make an informed choice as to whether to continue working for Scientology or to leave the group. SALLY: Could you help their mother? HANA: I can't say straight out. We would have to get into communication, find out what the situation is, and so forth. There is a chance that their mother could be helped. SALLY: Now, there are a number of celebrities -- who was it down here that was saying -- You were saying to me some of the celebrities, right? And people are interested. And they were reported by Time magazine to be Scientologists. Do you know who any of them are? Who? "Tom Cruise?" Somebody said, "Tom Cruise," right? HANA: Yes, yes. I don't know him personally, but, yes, he is a Scientologist. ROXANNE: Kirstie Alley. I know John Travolta. SALLY: John Travolta is one. HANA: Priscilla Presley. Kathie Lee, Kathie Lee Crosby. SALLY: Right. There's a lot of them. Is there not? And the voice of Bart Simpson, I think. HANA: Yes, yes, and I've just heard that Patrick Swayze is involved, but not publicly, at this point. SALLY: Why would these people -- Mimi Rogers, there -- Thank you for the list, who is ever producing the show. According to Time magazine, Mimi Rogers, Ann Archer, Sonny Bono, Chick Corea and Nancy Cartwright, who is the voice of --
HANA: And Demi Moore has been approached and has been courted by the top executives in Scientology, and was willing to sign on the dotted line, but her husband, Bruce Willis, grabbed her aside and said, "Demi, this needs a lot more investigation before we're getting involved." SALLY: Next, a couple who nearly lost their twin babies to Scientology. We'll be back.
Copyright (c) 1991 by Multimedia Entertainment, Inc.
See also: Scientology Critical Index Entries on Hana Whitfield
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