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note: in 2004 U.C.C. 1-207 was changed to U.C.C. 1-308.
I have a stamp that I ordered that says "without prejudice U.C.C 1-308".
I carry it everywhere, and anything I sign has the stamp. They say a stamp is better Remember me
than just writing it, because it shows premeditation of your concern.
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Submitted by rhythmhaw k on Tue, 11/10/2009 - 16:32.
After reading the posts/comments concerning "UCC 1-207/308", I am left with the
conclusion that many simply do not know the truth about this "Article", nor about
our "true" legal system.
To begin with, all lawyers, and judges, are "officer's of the court", therefore, they
work for the very system that has been thieving from this nation for almost 100
years; they truly DO NOT work for you or your best interests!! (That would be an
automatic "conflict of interest on thier part because they are "officer's of the
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Secondly, all courts work for the "state", which in turn, works for the "corporate *
government" - remember, the US government is a "corporation", therefore, falls
under the rules/laws of the UCC. DPer Businesses
**The 'United States' has always been a "legal fiction" corporation. See: Republica
v. Sween, 1 Dallas 43 & 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)**
Now, here comes the "slippery-slope" of "legalese": The Constitution was never
intended for the US citizen!! Proof of this statement can be found at Padelford, Fay,
& Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah [14 Georgia 438, 520]. Posts in Date Order
Wherein the judges' decision clearly stated: "But indeed, no private person has a (Thanks Joη)
right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution,
the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he [the private person] is not a party Active forum topics
to it." This Month the Daily
The Constitution was converted into a "trust", which is possessed by the King of Paul Turns Four (4)
Years Old! Please help
England (now Queen of England) and the Holy Roman Church. Everything you "think" me keep it alive
that you "own" actually belongs to the one(s) who possess the "trust". Rand Paul on FOX News
The "Trustees" are all federal and state public officials, which means that they are 01/03/11

converted by
"agents" of a foriegn power. No More Alcohol In My
If I have gleaned your full attention, then you will desire to learn more - especially if First they laugh at you,
you wish to regain your sovereignty!! Please note, I never have and never will asked then they join you...
for any type or form of compensation for the research that I do. Why? Because you, This is how Revolutions
the citizens of the united States have a RIGHT to know the truth. are started!
Herman Cain, 2012
Here is a (virus free) link to a "pdf" file that explains this matter in great detail (31 hopeful: "There's No
pages). I recommend reading it, studieing it, living it. Anyone who tells you that Reason To Audit The
using "UCC 1-308" to regain your sovereignty is pointless, does not know the law! Federal Reserve"
Ignorance of the law is no excuse!! Ex-Insider Found In
The United States government is a corporation, and therefore, bound by the UCC - Landfill
on all levels of government, federal, state, and local!!! DPers, I Need Some
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While all the information within the file is of utmost importance, pages 20 onward profiles?
reveal thye "Admiralty Law" situation with which we have been living under. GOP Presidential
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Here is another (virus free) link which "ties-in" UCC 1-308; however, at the time this March 7 Iowa Forum,
was written the code was UCC 1-207. Other than the "moving" of the code, nothing Including Ron Paul
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Just to clear this up a bit, I dont think you implied this, just clarification: Video Update: Ron &
I never suggest that using UCC 1-308 would regain sovereignty, Just that if you Rand on CNN /
DO happen to sign anything in a commercial capacity, including, but not limited Anderson Cooper 360
to Government paperwork, to be sure to reserve your rights by using the UCC. First they laugh at you,
then they join you...
Secondly, please be careful of the phrase "citizen of the united States"...even This is how Revolutions
with the lower case "u" in united. Everyone should make it a habit to use words are started!
carefully. For example, if someone made your statement above into a voice Top US Official
recording, we wouldn't be able to distinguish between the lower and upper case Murdered After
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(1) If executed without the United States: “I declare (or certify, verify, or state) Many Others to Fight
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foregoing is true and correct. Executed on (date). (Signature)”. Republic!
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I do this because I am not within the Corporation known as United States or it's
possessions. The way I see it, if you are a citizen of the United States according to
the 14th amendment, you are a federally protected 2nd class citizen and owe
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HOLDING THEIR FEET TO THE How much are they?
I do! Julius, Im worried about them changing common law, or bending it. Then we FIRE is what we will do on 2 min 11 sec ago
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federal bureaucrats...
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contrary to the popular
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Submitted by troyusaguy on Wed, 10/14/2009 - 01:28.
light. Believe it or not, it
"one thing though, you can pay your debt with FRNs. If I lend you 1 dollar, I expect was the 14th bull that
you to pay back 1 dollar and any interest we decided on" same day to attempt
Answer: escape in the New
I agree based on a "dollar" a dollar is not a federal reserve note, a federal reserve England area, with 13
note does not distinguish the debt.In fact it doubles the debt. Research the GAAP other bulls breaking out
principles of debits and credits. also order from the a 4506T and research of their stables at a
nearby ranch. It's a fitting
your 1098's, look both at what the purported lender filed and what the purported metaphor for what's
lender filed to the IRS....most likely you will see a big difference. happening in the world of
finance. There, the
If you buy something from me on credit, I expect the payment in dollars. You can't raging bulls have
make that giant leap of faith that FRN's are just debt instruments that can't be used shattered their restraints
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most of the corruption would go away. the given small business
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My wife left me for another man, my children at the time were 3,2, and a baby. i from this dangerous
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So maybe Im not a man for supporting this corruption, but i have lived through 6
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president of a non profit group and have testified to the legislature on family
matters, as well as helped lobby and get legislation introduced that went no where.
The Department of human services and title IV-D were to powerful.
So I started asking myself some questions:
what is marriage?
what is a contract?
Who owns the kids?
Why is the state acting like they own my kids?
if I have my kids most of the time why do I pay child support?
what is child support? how did it start?
So go ahead and make fun, call me a dead beat dad, a loser for not paying my bills
with federal reserve debt notes(which dont pay bills, you cant pay bills with more
debt), whatever. I have 3 children who are proud of me and God is proud of me,
remember he flipped the tables on the money changers.
P.S. UCC i use as a witness, they record and assign documents, I also use a notary
so I have 2 state witnesses, other than that I dont see the UCC as doing anything
else. The bulk of what Im studying is the IRS forms and how to use them.
in closing, I have studied for thousands of hours and I have nothing to prove to
anyone, I do share various documents with others who like to study and have a
healthy dialog, the end result is to achieve a remedy, and if Im wrong i want to
know why so I can make modifications, but character attacks without facts...Im not
going to get in to.

I feel ya man, the system is

Submitted by JoeDanger on Wed, 10/14/2009 - 01:42.
I feel ya man, the system is rigged to destroy the American family.
Women are encouraged, and given an incentive, to leave the family. They
usually get the kids, and then are told that they are entitled to 20% of every
cent you earn for the next 18 years, even if they fall in love with the guy in the
next cubicle.
I shouldn't be forced under penalty of death (by imprisonment) to work so that
my son's mother can have a pampered lifestyle. I should be able to save for my
son myself, the way I want, and not just hand his mother a cruise or vacation
every couple weeks.
Baseline 50-50 custody and no extortion (I mean mandatory child support) and
marriages in this country would start lasting again. IMHO

For an informed citizenry, individuals must discard the television set in favor of

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the acquisition of information via either books and/or the internet. An
uneducated populous will remain in ignorance and thus continue to suffer the
sharp ax of tyranny.

Submitted by F-Buzz on Wed, 10/14/2009 - 01:03.
first off, if anyone was making fun of you for your situation, screw them. I enjoy
a spirited debate about this because I believe that most of the strawmen
arguments are bogus money making schemes and leading patriots to the
slaughter. As for what you are using the UCC for, I don't really see the purpose,
but you aren't trying to tell me the treasury is going to zero my debt if I file it
correctly, so I have no problem with your stance and am looking forward to
hearing about your success in this.
one thing though, you can pay your debt with FRNs. If I lend you 1 dollar, I
expect you to pay back 1 dollar and any interest we decided on.
If you buy something from me on credit, I expect the payment in dollars. You
can't make that giant leap of faith that FRN's are just debt instruments that
can't be used to pay debt and seriously expect people to continue listening. It's
just not reality, it is not the way the world works. if you were to succeed in
making FRN's illegal, you would crash the entire economy? No matter what you
read or how right you think you are, it will never happen.
Good luck on your quest

Seems that a lot of people

Submitted by juliusbragg on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 18:08.
Seems that a lot of people here do not understand reservation of rights under the
Uniform Commercial Code.
Using 1-308 does NOT eliminate debt, it is not a magic code, it is a section of the
UCC that allows for one to reserve their rights rather than consenting. You can
prevent surrendering your rights through govt. adhesion contracts or implied
contracts by signing "without prejudice" or "under protest" UCC 1-308 next to your
"If you DONT reserve your rights you are presumed to consent, and that consent is
tacit rather than explicit" For example, if you sign your drivers license agreement,
even though the "contract" doesnt completely describe all of the terms, you are
considered "reasonably noticed" to all of the terms implied.
at least read p. 43-44
google Sub Silentio, or "Qui Tacet consentire videtur"
Remember the BIG PRINT GIVETH and the small print taketh away
"Every citizen of the United States is supposed to know the law [God's law and
man's law]. . ."
[Floyd Acceptances, 7 Wall (74 U.S. 169) 666 (1869);

Without Prejudice
Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:07.
The thing I find absurd, is the idea that signing something like U.C.C. 1-308 will give
you some sort of protection. The premise being of course that you are "staying in
honor". Yeah, that and $2.65 will get you a cup of coffee.
First of all UCC only applies at a federal level. It doesn't get you out of situations
with the state you live in because you are "a citizen of that state" and not a citizen
of the "federal republic". What a bunch of hooey. If you are a citizen of a state then
you are subject to that states laws.
Secondly, of what use is honor to a government that no longer has any honor or
integrity. Face it folks, all of this Ron Paul stuff is a desperate attempt by the
Republicans to somehow find some sort of spin to get people to think that they are
not relics of a bygone era. If Ron Paul were truly interested in freedom then he
would disentangle himself completely from the republican party rather than "try to
change it from within."
I admit at first I was taken in by all of his Federal reserve nonsense, and to a great
extent I believe that banks and capitalists are parasites and are a huge part of our
problem. Problem is: Ron Paul is a capitalist and friend of the parasites, for all of his
meaningless ranting otherwise.
If you think that signing your name a certain way will protect you from a

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government that doesn't even obey it's own laws then you have clearly deluded

you don't like capitalism?

Submitted by F-Buzz on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:16.
You're on the wrong website unless you just want to troll the waters, but we
don't put up with crap like that for very long.
Also, yes, this argument is nuts and doesn't make any sense and doesn't offer
anyone any protection other than some type of mental trickery they are playing
on themselves, but UCC's are used in each state and you file them with each
state's secretary of state. So while I agree with you this doesn't make any
sense, realize 99.999% of Ron Paul supporters don't belive in this fairy tail either.
Also, you know communism failed right? Glad you are here, you will probabaly
learn a lot while you are on this website. Do your best to ignore the nutty crap
like sovereignty/strawman stuff and focus on what really matters, returning to
the constitution. Your eyes will open if you allow them to see the light. And if
you are here just to troll, you won't last long
If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking. - George S. Patton

Nutty crap?
Submitted by 2bfree on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 23:53.
Soveignty is nutty? Sounds like your the communist to me.

Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:35.
I suppose that if you believe that a forum like this should be just a bunch of
think alike sheep getting together to pat each other on the back for
following the same party line, then you are right, I am on the wrong page
because I don't swallow everything RP has to say hook line and sinker.
But if you believe that freedom is about people with different views coming
together to share their different points of views and possibly finding a
common ground and even solutions to common problems, then I have to say
that anywhere I find people with viewpoints different than my own is a good
place to share my point of view and to read theirs.
As far as communism/socialism, there are as many different flavors of that
as there are different opinions on what capitalism is. If you haven't done so,
you might find a quick youtube search of Noam Chomsky to be rather
enlightening. As far as that thing they had in the Soviet Union, it could
better be described as Statist Capitalism than it would be Communism. IMHO
any system that centralises power and enables a few to exploit the many is
a bad system. I am kind of partial to the kind of low grade social capitalism
that they had in Ben Franklins day.
But you need to be careful how you use the word Socialist or Capitalist, or
any other word. They don't mean the same things to everyone. That said,
when i use the term Capitalist toward Ron Paul I don't so much mean free
markets as I do a supporter of a system whereby there are owners and
there are workers, and the owners get rich by exploiting the efforts of the
workers with or without the self righteous presumption that they are entitled
to do this simply because they know how to.
When I use the term Socialism or Communism I don't mean the Nazi
"Socialism" we are seeing developed in this country under Woodrow Wilson =
yada yada = Clinton = G.W. Bush = Obama. I mean a system in which the
people who do the work own the results of that work. Everyone who
participates gets an equal piece of the pie commensurate with their labor
(not necessarily their "ability" which is highly subjective at best).
Few laws, or government regulations, small confederacies of worker/owners,
a presumption that money is perishable and not something to be hoarded or
exploited at interest. For example, maybe money should be tied to the labor
hour and not a material thing. That is more in keeping with my vision of how
a good system would work.

Submitted by 2bfree on Wed, 10/14/2009 - 00:12.
I agree with you almost 100%. Especially the labor part. we should have
some type of system that is based on credit hours worked, instead of
cash. This way they couldn't steal your labor and create money from
nothing. However, I dissagree about the labor hours being perishable. I

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think you should be able to save them, trade them, donate ect.
#2. I would agree with you on the Ben Franklin type gov, if only I
thought it would last. My motto is, either the constitution allowed these
current events to happen, or it was powerless to prevent it. Which is it?
I am totally in agreement with you, on learning other veiwpoints. What a
bore this world would be if we didn't mix it up a bit.
On Ron Paul, I feel like you do. He led me to this movement and was a
essential part of me waking up. But knowing what I know now ( See #2 )
I think they all feed off the system and WE are the system. Plus the
whole secret society thing never sat well with me nor did the
acceptance of the money from neo nazis or the articles and quotes
about the black people. The articles about them, that were supossedly
done in his name. He later said he wasn't responsible for them. Also I
wonder about all the campaign money and where it ended up. It seems
like to me, they wouldn't want all bad guys up there, it might make you
think the game was rigged.. Im like you, I think it is a centralized group
running the show.

Inquirion says, "I suppose

Submitted by frzngds on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 18:09.
Inquirion says, "I suppose that if you believe that a forum like this should
be just a bunch of think alike sheep getting together to pat each other
on the back for following the same party line" obviously have not
been on this site long.
I personally agree with Ron Paul 100% on every issue as they pertain to
the Federal and State Govt. Ron Paul has an immaculate 30+ year voting
record. I have never seen Ron Paul lie, be disingenuous, waffle around an
answer, or in any way show that his loyalties lie anywhere but with the
American people and the Constitution. I cannot say this about any other
politician I've ever seen.
You seem to be stuck in the fake Democrat vs Republican argument. I
don't really care what party Ron Paul is in. I will continue to vote for him
because 'he' best represents me...I don't really see why people care
about party, unless the're too stupid to be able to think for themselves.
Since you're a new member maybe you could share with us the area's
you feel Ron Paul has it wrong.
ps your ideas of Communism/Socialism/Capitalism are pretty say "by 'Socialism' I mean a system in which the
people who do the work own the results of that work. Everyone who
participates gets an equal piece of the pie commensurate with their
labor"....LOL. How can people own the results of their work if they have
to give away their work to everyone else? Who gets to determine how
much of the pie each person gets?
May I recommend some light reading for you...try 'Economics in one
lesson' by Henry Hazlitt

Total Agreement
Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 21:53.
I think that with respect to sharing what it is that Ron Paul says that
I disagree with, that it is best to consider each point as they come
up. He has said quite a lot. Regarding whether or not he is
disingenuous, I will make no claims for or against him on that count.
However, I will comment that he keeps company with some pretty
sinister folks by remaining with a party that is clearly against the
I agree that worrying about Democrat vs Republican is like worrying
about which flavor of vanilla you ought to order, but the fact is he is
hanging with vanilla and not trying to truly challenge the status quo.
He had only 10% of the Republican vote during the last presidential
primary in spite of his huge fund raising efforts.
If he had joined a third party he could have done a great deal more
with that 10% like getting ballot access for a party that is more
aligned with his espoused values. So while he may not be lying or
waffling, he really isn't getting much done is he? How effective does
he really want to be, or is he just blowing smoke?
With regard to owning your work, the concept does work even in our
society. For example there are several functional co-ops in running in
the US right now.

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if you care to read about one in particular.
If you get past the foolish notion that competition is better than
cooperation you can see that cooperation wins the day. Cooperation
and exploitation cannot peacefully coexist. It has been said that 5
exceptional warriors that don't trust each other will fall to a single
lion but that 5 ordinary farmers who trust each other with their lives
can take the lion down in short order.
True communism isn't about large centralized governments exploiting
an entire population like we saw in the Stalinist Soviet Union. It is
about small self organizing systems of small groups of people
cooperating for their shared well being without hierarchy, but forming
networks that self organize into a robust economy. It is what free
market systems wish they could be if they weren't filled with a bunch
of insecure self aggrandizing wannabe bankers.
When you are part of a team you share the victory and the spoils.
When you are a selfish bastard you try to make sure that nobody
gets what you believe is your fair share. It is a different mind set.
When you are part of the 40 thieves, then the best you can hope for
is some sort of Ayn Randian free market system. But when you see
the competition "man behind the curtain" for what it really is you can
begin to clear the wool from in front of your eyes. You might do well
to do some light reading yourself. I have read Economics in one
lesson and I don't buy the lie. Here is a link for you to do a little self

I don't subscribe to anything

Submitted by 2bfree on Thu, 10/22/2009 - 00:12.
With an "ism" at the end of it. Then you will be just fine.

as far as successes: All

Submitted by troyusaguy on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 11:23.
as far as successes:
All debt collectors shut down. ill remove any derogatory comments on my credit
soon. Im also billing various debt collectors for violations in the FDCPA and will take
them to small claims court. I should win, i researched it and wrote my paper work in
a way that the courts have made decisions.
Im now going after my mortgage and child support. DBT........
This is how Im being active. If more people were shutting down debt by not paying,
the banks would lose control.
people ask me a lot, dont you think you should pay your obligations?
think of it like this.
If i broke into your car stole your money and then borrowed it back to you for
interest, and you found out the truth, would you feel compelled to pay me back?
This is how I feel against the banks. they use our promissory notes to fund loans, so
its our energy that creates all money. Then on top of that they fictionalize it and
make even more money...then if you default they also get the asset!!!! You can see
why in less than 100 years everyone is in debt up to their eyeballs and cant get
out, the banks pledge nothing and in the end take it all.

Child support
Submitted by Acala on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:07.
So you are planning on screwing your children out of their support?
A fine, upstanding citizen.
Fortunately for your kids, this plan will fail.

Spoken like a true gold digger.

Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:12.
You go girl. He should take the kids and make her pay child support. At least
then they will probably receive the care they deserve.

Submitted by Acala on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:31.

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Hahahahaha!! Quite a leap there fella!
I am a divorced father of two who paid child support without fail and
without complaint for over ten years.
If the kids are better off with the father, that is a different issue. But a
man who will not support his kids isn't much of a man.

Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 23:13.
Couple of things. One, Acala sounds like a girls name to me, so it
didn't seem much like a leap.
Two, that goes to show what can happen when you make
assumptions. On the same line of thought, we don't know this other
guys story do we?
Since we don't know the circumstances, of his situation we don't
know whether or not he is simply trying to avoid supporting his
children, or if he even agreed to have children or was suckered in to
it, or what.
I will say that I think that anyone who doesn't take an active role in
trying to help their own children grow up healthy and strong, is
severely dysfunctional to say the least. But each person's
circumstance is unique and it is all to easy to become judgmental
without having all the facts.
Since I don't have all of this fellows facts (or for that matter do I
know if the "fellow" is even a man). But I am not inclined to judge the
person harshly with so few facts in hand.
It is good that in your case you had a somewhat amicable divorce
relationship and apparently the mother was sufficiently functional to
provide a good home to the children with financial help from you of
course. It is also good that you made enough money to be able to
afford the child support without having to skip meals or live under a
bridge or anything. Likewise, it is good that the mother of your
children actually used the child support you sent to the benefit of
the children and not for her own personal benefit or to benefit the
man who replaced you in her life. (I am making a couple of what I
consider to be fairly safe presumptions about your circumstances
here so feel free to refute those presumptions with contrary facts if
you so desire.)
Not everyone is so lucky however.

Preserving your credit

Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:05.
So let me get this straight. You think the banks are parasites and crooks, but
you are worried about your credit rating? HAH. Now if that isn't an oxymoron
then I don't know what is.
Isn't that like the guy who hates the cable company because he thinks that the
television brainwashing us all into mindless sheep but stands in line for an hour
to pay his overdue cable bill.
I mean get real, in the first case if you don't plan on doing business with the
banks then your credit rating is a meaningless number, and if you don't like TV
brainwashing your kids then why keep paying your cable bill?

We all heard the quote,

Submitted by troyusaguy on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 10:55.
We all heard the quote, central banks are more dangerous than standing armies.
They steal our productive energy through creating debt on our promises to pay.
Since our energy created the debt, why not offset it and not give the corrupt
banking system our energy?
This is how Im fighting the banks myself. Im using the IRS as my witness.

Star Witness
Submitted by Inquirion on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:16.
Isn't that kind of like the guy who goes to traffic court to fight a speeding ticket
and his only witness is the officer who wrote him the ticket?

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I use UCC 1-207
Submitted by meekandmild on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 10:30.
According to a common law attorney no sections can't be legally changed.

I'm experimenting with

Submitted by troyusaguy on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 09:41.
I'm experimenting with various projects to get remedy. What Ive noticed is a lot of
people think if they file certain paper work everyone will be afraid.
Most likely not. Most likely no one in gov will understand what your talking about
and walk all over you. Its what you do to enforce your paper work that will count.
Bottom line, your paper work cant exceed who you are. or what you know.
so a real example:
cop pulls you over and you show your license and it has ucc 1-308, or whatever, he
still writes you a ticket. so you goto court, and tell the judge, I signed this Ucc 1-
308, the judge will say, so what you either pay or go to jail.
now what are you going to do????
I dont see this as a good way to get remedy.
I signed my drivers license and everything else, including Jury duty as my name and
next to it authorized agent. when your dealing with the UCC its all about staying in
honor. I think there are remedies in understanding negotiable instruments and the
GAAP principles. Ill share my successes and failures.

How is it Honorable
Submitted by 2bfree on Wed, 10/14/2009 - 00:25.
When it is fraud? You show a cop your drivers license, you have contracted in
with him by the all caps of your name. It now becomes one corporation fining
another corporation ( you ) for breaking said corporations policies. Best not to
contract in with them. Keep your window rolled up to just a crack and ask them
to show you the *law* to where you have to show them your papers. There is
no *law* only statues and codes enforced by said corporation. Be polite a kind.
Don't answer Questions. Dont state your name ( if they want it, they will run
your plates ) Until you show him the DL with the all caps name ( corporation )
the *officer* is dealing with a human that has NOT contracted in with him.
When you show him the DL ( all caps name ) you cease to become a human,
you are a corporation.

let us know
Submitted by riverrun on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 10:52.
"Ill share my successes and failures."
Please do keep us informed. Thank you.

Submitted by highw ithaltitude on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 08:30.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

Once again, unrelated fringe topics making us look like

Submitted by W CU4Paul on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 07:10.
I have to once again point out that this sort of stuff does not reflect all (or even
most) Ron Paul supporters, supporters of the freedom movement, etc.
Movement hijackers who post stuff like this may think it's important, but often
they're misguided in their perception that co-opting a Ron Paul forum to spread that
message is appropriate.
So, if you're checking out this website and thinking "gee, is THIS what Ron Paul is
about?" the answer is a resounding "no!" The posts that juliusbragg keeps putting on
here regarding fringe topics represent a tiny fringe element and not the pragmatic
core of the movement.

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Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing
dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority
views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995

Submitted by JerichoM on Wed, 10/14/2009 - 01:03.
Common Law is on the fringe? Perhaps you just need to learn a bit more.

Submitted by MMJ Ministry on Thu, 09/24/2009 - 02:27.
Ron Paul Supporter Since 1997
`Wise people, even though all laws were abolished, would still lead the same life'-
Aristophanes -

“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by
bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with”
Ron Paul

Your credit
Submitted by LibertyorDeath08 on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 12:46.
can only be used for the payments of public debts from publicly financied
institutions...not personal contracts.....adding ucc-207 and the like is mostly
unnecessary if you know what u r actually can make u look like a loony
sometimes...mainly cause the public Democratic "government" cannot even
acknowledge the private Republic side or the rights associated with it. You don't
have rights in the public...only administrative remedy...
You loan yourself all the money you have ever "possessed" signing your
checks you are "creating" money...not the banks...YOU ARE
They just multiply them 10 times and finance industry with the "new reserves" you
created for the bank...whether you are in debt or are invovled in the
creation process everyday....we all are
If you are "working" for GM... and they "pay" you $100k/year
They have not "paid" you "created" you own paycheck everytime
You are a living being that animates your "vessel" or truly have no
commerical title
You want to enter a commerical they created a "title" for your "vessel" ie
John Lee Doe..this is NOT's just a title
When the judge asks you to give him your name/title...he is asking you to actually
give it to that he now has LEGAL TITLE OVER "you"
This is your private "man"...used for interaction on the "private/creditor comes from
the republic and has rights side"
They then created a PUBLIC this system you can get BENEFITS
through Social they created another "title" for use in Public. All caps
name: JOHN LEE DOE...this is your "public/debtor has no rights only priviledges side"
Your real man has been set up with a asset fund that has been growing since birth
for the purpose of offsetting and discharging all debts with "credit"
Credit they owe us based on all the silver/gold/allodial titles they all that
money plus INTEREST SINCE 1933...divided by everyone in the country....plenty of
credit per person....but, if we don't act responsibly it could cause some issue's,
however, they have put some safeguards in place that will still protect us from over-
inflating even if everyone found out about this...but the biggest safeguard is having
your heart and intentions in the right place...if you are just trying to get rich or get might find yourself behind bars...which is good...we don't want debtors
to be creditors....debtors are in it for themselves...creditors are there to solve
everyone's problems and bring a solution
You "authorize" your "real man" (John Lee Doe) through your signature to "extend
your credit" to your "public debtor man" (JOHN LEE DOE)....You create the
money...therefore YOU are LOANING IT TO hold all the
credit, and you can only "loan" the "strawman/public debtor/corporation/title
money...cause ALL MONEY IS DEBT...yet there is a CORRESPONDING ASSET TO

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EVERY LIABILITY's a zero sum can use your credit to
OFFSET LIABILITIES YOU CURRENTLY HAVE...because you have not used your asset
to zero out your try to "pay" with "debt" and end up just deeper in
"debt" can only pay down debt with an ASSET....NOT MORE DEBT NOTES!

You may want to check on UCC 207

Submitted by MikeLaw son on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 12:57.
It appears to only go to 206. I think 308 is what you're after.

juliusbragg , I am
Submitted by livefreeordie on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 12:37.
juliusbragg , I am forwarding an e-mail to you. This is the first information people
need to get into thier heads.
YOUR servant for freedom, Clay Carey

Signing this way reserves

Submitted by juliusbragg on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 10:17.
Signing this way reserves your rights, often, contracts try to make you give up your
rights. For example, who knows when theyre signing a mortgage that all the words
in that document have definitions somewhere in the UCC or USC? Since no one
reads all of those definitions, signing "without prejudice" protects you from signing
away a right.
This is OFTEN done for jurisdiction, because many contracts are to be settled in a
US District court, which is federal jurisdiction.
Signing this way does NOT mean that one won't pay, it simply protects them from
having their rights diminished by legalese.

That's great
Submitted by F-Buzz on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 10:21.
now name the bank that will give you a mortgage if you sign your documents
this way. Don't dodge the question like you did below. I don't care how you got
your loans in the past, or how many properties you own. Name the bank that will
allow you to do this.
Thank you

Evidently, I didnt know what

Submitted by juliusbragg on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 21:53.
Evidently, I didnt know what you were asking, as I wasnt trying to dodge
your question. EVERY bank that I have used in the past 4 years. Bank of
America, Wells Fargo, Uncle Credit Union, 5/3 bank, national city....I think I
was only questioned about my signature twice....something like "what does
that mean", my response, "oh, it just reserves my rights...its a contract law
I sign tickets, court documents, lease agreements, invoices, anything I
get...I rented a "u-haul" a while back and signed "Under Protest UCC 1-308"
by my signature and the guy asked "this doesnt mean you wont pay me does
Arent you in the lending biz?? Would you question this next to a signature, if
it wasnt for you seeing it on this site?
nobody checks ANYTHING these days....I had a work contract recently
where I didnt agree with a few of the terms in the contract, so I put a line
through everything I didnt agree with (they were trying to add more work in
the contract than we agreed to) and signed "Non Assumpsit, without
Prejudice UCC 1-308 (with a stamp), and then my name"
no issues at all.
Im VERY surprised that you think these people at the banks lending money ?
(now is different tan 1-5 years ago) care anything about how the document
is signed. All signatures for contracts are supposed to be notarized if they
are not signed in person, i have faxed signatures, scanned and emailed
signatures, for property purchases, THEY DONT CARE. This is why they were
sending their own appraisers out valuing the house at twice the value
throughout 04,05, 06, 07...their goal was signing up a loan. 125% loan to
value, no docs, stated income etc.

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without prejudice ucc 1-308
Submitted by spcu on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 01:30.
have you, would you use this phrase next to/above your signature on a
tax return to state OR fed?

before the signature on ALL

Submitted by juliusbragg on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 14:31.
before the signature on ALL documents, especially govt. documents.
This is what the Uniform Commercial Code says must be done, if you
dont want to inadvertently give up your rights when signing your
For example, when you signed up for your credit card, you
inadvertently agreed to let a seller become your "attorney-in-fact"
regarding certain purchases. This is because you never read the
entire code regarding credit cards before signing up.
another example, when you signed up for your drivers license, you
agreed to consent to arrest, detainment, seizures, searches, etc.
without even knowing it. This is because the license is ONLY for
commercial vehicles, that are subject to inspection.
see UCC
§ 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.
(a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or
promises performance or assents to performance in a manner
demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice
the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice," "under
protest," or the like are sufficient.
(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to an accord and satisfaction.

I am in the lending biz and

Submitted by F-Buzz on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 23:11.
I am in the lending biz and I would shred your documents and tell you
pound sand. I don't play with my agreements and neither do the big
boys, I paid a lawyer a hefty fee to make my docs bulletproof, and if
someone tried to put this on my contract, they are trying to change the
Like I said in another thread, if you ever crossed out a line item in my
documents or asked me to change something, I would tell you to look for
a loan somewhere else.
Also, all of my banks (I don't work with the big boys) actually lend money
(whatever your definition of that is)
They don't chop up their loans and sell them in fractions as securities,
but yes they are bought and sold after you are funded because they are
an asset and have value, rate of return and loss reserves built into them.
Not trying to offend you here, but I 100% do not believe that any major
bank, like the ones you mentioned would allow you to add this to your
contract, at the very least there is a clause in the contract that would
void anything you are trying to pull regarding removing your personal
guarantee, and you the loan applicant are responsible for any violation of
the terms and are on the hook for the loan, no matter what your flesh
and blood argument may be.
You do know where this whole flesh and blood thing started right? White
supremicists started it because of their outrage over the 16th
That's the playbook you are using. I'm not saying you are even close to
racist, or anyone in your camp might be, but that is where this came

So you can control what goes on the signature

Submitted by Rexorooter on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 09:48.
You allude to the validity of this issue by your venomous post. Have
you studied UCC code? LOL at ignorance. You act just like the Acorn
folks and inject racism into your argument. Pathetic. Take your
fractional reserve bank and stick it where the sun don't shine.

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