Check out this clip of Krist Novoselic deeply mouth kissing both David Grohl and Kurt Cobain
. I had always heard this was some big joke, but this is the first time I've actually seen it. This happened at the end of their first big break through on Saturday Night Live, undoubtedly an incredibly emotional moment for them all. As if they would 'joke' or posture at such an emotional time for them. Don't forget, they went from the literal gutters of Aberdeen/Seattle to rock icon millionaires in a matter of what must have seemed like weeks to them. What would sear that realization more finally/certainly into their minds than finishing a live appearance on Saturday Night Live in New York City, and hearing those famous closing saxophones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmChF_OfAjc&feature=related You see Cobain start to go into a narcoleptic collapse right afterward, btw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-xxmC9Tjc8&feature=related in the above video, even Courtney Love's attorney thinks he wasn't suicidal and that the suicide note was forged.
this one mentions that Courtney Love was the daughter of the manager of the band that became the Grateful Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQdKjDRB7s&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JTAD0ZeKmQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn4bmg17vwg&feature=related http://www.oldhandbills.com/images/060915-Albert/Grateful_Dead-Steal_Your_FaceCard.jpgblue/red , electricity applied to head, skull http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/Grateful-Dead-Skeletons-From-the-ClosetCover/48256C71003578A24825696100122D14/$file/Skeletons.jpg rose http://www.vinylzart.com/images/AlbumCovers-GratefulDead-AmericaBeauty(1970).jpg rose http://www.univie.ac.at/Anglistik/easyrider/data/graphics/GratefulDeadShakedownStreet.gif hookers, bikers, drugs http://political-analysis.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/dead-album.jpg.w560h559.jpg skulln'Bones, mushrooms, wings http://i6.tinypic.com/73bt4e1.jpg Golden Gate Bridge, most famous 'suicide' site in America. Notice Uncle Sam as the reaper
http://www.carlaz.com/reviews/images/cover_gdead-europe72.jpg Grateful Dead album: 'Europe '72': rainbow, cross in circel http://rockpopgallery.com/images/stanmouse/ledpsmgdi1s.jpg Grateful Dead "Ice Cream Kid" rainbow, icecream, checkerboard More grateful dead album covers: http://home.frognet.net/~scott/WorkingDead.jpg male prostitution? http://www.hippieshop.com/mas_assets/thumb/29346.jpg http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/fd/f8/fd_1_sbl.JPG http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l69/mimi772006/gratefuldeadbackill.jpg http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September %2008/08%2009%2008%20grteul%20dead/AlumniLogo.jpg http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September %2008/08%2009%2008%20grteul%20dead/gratefuldead001.jpg I think this image is from the Grateful Dead album, 'Workingman's Dead' (though it could easily be something from the walls of the Denver Airport) : http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/2473970131_4831b64586_b.jpg it got me thinking of the similarity between this: http://www.cardsbytom.com/Rose_-_Purple.jpg http://www.cardsbytom.com/Spiral_Pink_Rose.jpg and this: http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n250/theacidinjection/spiral.gif http://bp0.blogger.com/_CBRzWCU1N0/RthJrbmtC6I/AAAAAAAAAQo/Nwd5_WL81oU/s400/spiral.gif could the rose be a symbol of the spiral?
In the mid 1800's the railway magnates built a network of Canadian and American rail hotels, some of which were owned by CN Rail (a governent/crown corporation) and some of which were owned by the private corporation CP Rail, as well as American railroad companies. Today all of them are owned by British Columbia Investment Management Corporation, including the Fairmont Olympic Hotel in Seattle , and the Banff Springs Hotel, in Banff, Alberta, Canada (near Calgary), among others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Hotels airmont Hotels & Resorts is a Toronto, Ontario -based operator of luxury hotels and resorts. Currently, Fairmont operates properties in 14 countries including Canada, the United States, Mexico, Bermuda, Barbados, United Kingdom, Monaco, Germany, Switzerland, Egypt, Kenya, Tanzania, the United Arab Emirates and Singapore. Fairmont is known in Canada for its famous historic hotels and resorts such as the Empress Hotel (Victoria) and Hotel Vancouver in British Columbia, the Royal York in Toronto, Banff Springs in Alberta and Château Frontenac in Quebec. Many of these hotels were originally built by the Canadian Pacific Railway in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. As such, they were operated by Canadian Pacific Hotels and Resorts until CP Hotels purchased Fairmont in 1999 and changed its name to Fairmont Hotels and Resorts. The name change reflected the new international focus of the company. Fairmont's portfolio also includes several other landmark and icon properties including Plaza Hotel in New York, the Savoy Hotel in London and the Peace Hotel in Shanghai, which is currently undergoing an extensive renovation. History The original Fairmont was built in 1907 in the city of San Francisco following the earthquake of 1906. It was later acquired by Benjamin Swig in 1945. The Fairmont chain consisted of seven properties in the United States when it merged with Canadian Pacific Hotels & Resorts in 1999: * The Fairmont (San Francisco) * The Fairmont, New Orleans (formerly Grunewald) * The Fairmont Copley Plaza (Boston) * The Plaza (New York) * The Fairmont Chicago * The Fairmont Dallas * The Fairmont San Jose In early 2006, after a contentious bidding war started by investor Carl Icahn. Icahn lost the bid and Fairmont agreed to be sold for $3.9 billion USD. Fairmont announced on January 30, 2006 that the company will be purchased by Colony Capital, LLC and Kingdom Hotels International. As a result of that purchase, Fairmont Hotels & Resorts is now a subsidiary of Fairmont Raffles Hotels International (FRHI). At the time of the purchase, FRHI also owned Delta Hotels & Resorts; however, Delta was sold on October 2, 2007 to bcIMC (British Columbia Investment Management Corporation). http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/1bdeeb4f-283b-4357-9cde-9e9952e0d9f4.jpg Fairmont Olympic Hotel, Seattle http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/BanffSpringHotel1929.jpg/200pxBanffSpringHotel1929.jpg Banff Springs Hotel, October, 1929
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Farmer Life after hospitalization On March 23, 1950, at her parents' request, Farmer was paroled back into her mother's care. She took a job sorting laundry at the Olympic Hotel in Seattle. This was the same hotel where Farmer had been feted in 1936 at the world premiere of Come and Get It.http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif http://www.aberdeen-museum.org/kurt.htm On September 1st, 1986 Cobain moved into the "first house" he rented alone - more a ramshackle hovel - at 1000-1/2 E. Second Street, and worked part-time as a maintenance man at the Polynesian Inn Resort at Ocean Shores to pay the rent. This article mentions Cobain staying with Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins at the staff annex of the Banff Springs Hotel,in 1986, while the Melvins were playing a gig in Calgary, Alberta, just prior to forming Nirvana: http://www.topix.com/forum/who/nirvana/TAP8NSTHB7L2O1R6T BC Investment Management Corporation (bcIMC) is the investment/management arm of the B.C. Teachers Pension fund, administered by provincial teacher's union: the British Columbia Teacher's Federation: http://www.codev.org/filmfest/media/logo_bctf.jpg British Columbia Teacher's Federation logo http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/symbolsandlofos/icons/010105grove16.jpg The founders of Bohemian Grove are the National Press Club http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/bohemian_grove/nat_press_club.PNG
Have a glance at what they own (you've got to see the photos to grasp the magnitude of this) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Hotels_and_Resorts They own essentially every gothic rail hotel in the world:
Properties Canadian properties
British Columbia * The Fairmont Empress Resort in Victoria * The Fairmont Hotel Vancouver in Vancouver * The Fairmont Pacific Rim in Vancouver (opens 2009) * The Fairmont Waterfront Hotel in Vancouver * The Fairmont Vancouver Airport Hotel in Richmond, BC * The Fairmont Chateau Whistler (Resort) in Whistler Alberta * The Fairmont Chateau Lake Louise (Resort) on Lake Louise * The Fairmont Banff Springs (Resort) in Banff * The Fairmont Palliser in Calgary * The Fairmont Jasper Park Lodge (Resort) in Jasper * The Fairmont Hotel Macdonald in Edmonton Manitoba * The Fairmont Winnipeg in Winnipeg Ontario * The Fairmont Château Laurier in Ottawa * The Fairmont Royal York in Toronto Québec * Fairmont The Queen Elizabeth in Montréal, Québec * Fairmont Le Château Frontenac (Resort) in Québec City * Fairmont Le Manoir Richelieu (Resort) in Charlevoix, Québec * Château Montebello (Resort) in Montebello, Québec * Fairmont Tremblant in Mont-Tremblant, Québec Atlantic * The Fairmont Algonquin (Resort) in St. Andrews, New Brunswick * The Fairmont Newfoundland in St. John's, Newfoundland United States properties * The Fairmont Orchid (Resort) in South Kohala, Hawaii * The Fairmont Kea Lani Maui (Resort) on Maui, Hawaii * Fairmont Olympic Hotel in Seattle, Washington * The Fairmont Sonoma Mission Inn & Spa (Resort) in Sonoma, California * The Fairmont San Francisco in San Francisco, California * Fairmont Heritage Place Ghirardelli Square in San Francisco, California - (Opens August 15, 2008) * Fairmont Seaside (Resort) in Monterey/Seaside, California - (Opens 2009) * The Fairmont San Jose in San Jose, California
* Fairmont Miramar Hotel & Bungalows, Santa Monica in Santa Monica, California * Fairmont Newport Beach in Newport Beach, California * Fairmont Avanterra, Palm Desert in Palm Desert, California - (Opens 2011) * Fairmont Vail in Vail, Colorado - (opens 2011) * Fairmont Heritage Place Franz Klammer Lodge in Telluride, Colorado * Fairmont Scottsdale (Resort) in Scottsdale, Arizona * The Fairmont Dallas in Dallas, Texas * The Fairmont Chicago in Chicago, Illinois * The Fairmont Turnberry Isle Resort & Club (Resort) in Miami, Florida * The Fairmont Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania - (Opens 2009) * The Fairmont Washington, DC in Washington, D.C. * The Plaza Hotel in New York, New York * The Fairmont Copley Plaza in Boston, Massachusetts Central American and Caribbean properties Anguilla * The Fairmont Anguilla (Resort) in Forest Estate, Anguilla - (Opens 2010) Barbados * The Fairmont Royal Pavilion (Resort) in St. James Bermuda * The Fairmont Hamilton Princess in Hamilton * The Fairmont Southampton (Resort) in Southampton Dominican Republic * Fairmont Roco Ki (Resort) in Roco Ki, Punta Cana Dominican Republic - (Opens 2010) Mexico * The Fairmont Acapulco Princess (Resort) in Acapulco * The Fairmont Pierre Marques (Resort) in Acapulco * The Fairmont Heritage Place Acapulco Diamante in Acapulco * The Fairmont Mayakoba (Resort) in Riviera Maya European properties * The Savoy in London, U.K. * Fairmont St Andrews in Scotland * Fairmont Monte Carlo in Monaco * Fairmont Hotel Vier Jahreszeiten in Hamburg, Germany * Fairmont Le Montreux Palace in Montreux, Switzerland Middle Eastern and African properties
* The Fairmont Dubai in Dubai, U.A.E. * The Fairmont Palm Resort & Hotel in The Palm, Dubai, U.A.E. - (Opens 2008) * Fairmont Abu Dhabi Creek in Abu Dhabi, U.A.E. - (Opens 2009) * Fairmont Marina City, Abu Dhabi in Abu Dhabi, U.A.E. - (Opens 2011) * Fairmont Mina Al Fajer Resort in Fujeirah, U.A.E. - (Opens 2009) * Fairmont Kingdom of Sheba (Resort) in The Crescent, Dubai, U.A.E. - (Opens 2010) * Fairmont The Wave (Resort) in Muscat, Oman - (Opens Late 2011) * Makkah Clock Royal Tower, A Fairmont Hotel in Makkah, Saudi Arabia - (Opening 2009) * The Fairmont Cairo, Nile City in Cairo, Egypt - (Opening 2009) * Fairmont Towers Heliopolis in Cairo, Egypt * Fairmont Mara Safari Club in Masai Mara National Reserve, Kenya * Fairmont The Norfolk in Nairobi, Kenya * The Ark in Aberdare National Park, Kenya * Mount Kenya Safari Club in Nanyuki, Kenya * Fairmont Zanzibar in Zanzibar, Tanzania South Africa * Fairmont Zimbali Lodge in Zimbali, KaZulu-Natal South Africa * Fairmont Zimbali in Zimbali, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa - (Opens 2009) South-east Asian properties * Fairmont Singapore in Singapore, formerly Raffles The Plaza * Fairmont Beijing in Beijing, China - (Opens 2008) * Fairmont Makati, Manila in Makati City, Manila, Philippines - (Opens 2010) * Fairmont Yangcheng Lake Hotel in Kunshan, China - (Opens 2009) * The Fairmont Peace Hotel in Shanghai, China - (Opens 2010) * Fairmont Macao in Cotai Strip Macao, China - (Opens 2010) Johnny Gosch was abducted by the 'Finders' , and later became Jeff Gannon, and later worked at the National Press Club: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF371.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Kovie64/JeffGannon.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/displacedtexan/blogstartdatefeb052005/gannon56429_Ganno nmilkcarton.jpg http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/Article%20Images/w_hugs_gannon.jpg George Bush hugging Johnny Gosch/Jeff Gannon in front of the National Press Club logo
Kurt (http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110002651), We Hardly Knew Ye Cobain's "Journals" reveal a troubled man. by NANCY DEWOLF SMITH Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:01 a.m. EST As icky as that is, Newsweek surely found something far more disturbing, in a list it published alongside other anodyne extracts (on subjects like music and the evils of heroin addiction.) "I like punk rock. I like girls with weird eyes. I like passion. I like to feel guilty for being a white American male . . ." What the cover-boy also included in that list, but some censor snipped: "I like to make incisions into the belly of infants then ---- the incisions until the child dies." Here is August Underground Mordum: warning, you know how sick this stuff is this, so proceed with caution: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6214394951294683673&q=august+underground+mordum&ei=X5KYSPWUDYOeQHpg7mmBg&hl=en the horrible thing is that knowing what I know now about the whole S&M scene, the drugs, the 'underground' CIA mk stuff, etc., for all you know , the 'victims' in this are real. http://www.carnivalofthegrotesque.co.uk/t_mordum03.jpg this is Skull n' Bones, BTK -style stuff http://www.lapetiteboutiqueducinema.com/Articulos/August-Undergrounds-Mordum%20pic03.jpg
The Finders-A CIA front established in the 1960's. It has top clearance and protection in its assigned task of kidnapping and torture-programming young children throughout the U.S. Members are specially trained government kidnappers known to be sexual degenerates who involve the kidnapped children in satanic sex orgies and bloody rituals as well as the murders of other children and slaughter of animals. They use a fleet of unmarked vans to grab targeted children from parks and schoolyards. http://i13.tinypic.com/63ctpvd.jpg In doing so they use children within their organization as decoys to attract the victims close to the vans where they are grabbed by adults. They then drug the children and transport them to a series of safe houses for safe keeping. They are then used in their ceremonies for body parts, sex slaves and some are auctioned off at various locations in the northern hemisphere. In the past they have been auctioned off near a location in Nevada and Toronto , Canada . Marion David Pettie, the leader of the cult, is an identified homosexual pedophile and a CIA officer. His son was an employee of a CIA proprietary firm, Air America , which was notorious for smuggling drugs, destinedfor the U.S. , out of the Golden Triangle into Saigon during the Vietnam war." http://www.whale.to/b/alexander.html http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusemurder.shtml
History of Rock and the flower power revolution from a satanic mindcontrol perspective. (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/)
http://pichostonline.com/u/081102/4e7cb96bce.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/) early photo of a young (and alluring) Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic together, with Kurt perched on big Krist's knee(Cobain was likely 15 or 16 here, and Krist 17 or 18) this would have been around the time that Cobain and Krist spraypainted things like 'GOD IS GAY', 'abort christ', and 'homo sex rules' around Aberdeen video: Kurt Cobain's Own Private Idaho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg Check out this creepy documentary on Kurt Cobain (it turns out that Cobain's parents and grandparents both at times live in trailers , exactly like Mike's Dad in 'My Own Private Idaho'. There is also a part where they describe Cobain's longing to leave Aberdeen for Seattle, which they describe as 'Emerald City', and then play 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1EBafIOdA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQhXR6ZZEVg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZsHHLeYcxg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_EitNVESE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdeV_4VZY_A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KujpHQqAbzo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RffXj8vJ-E&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMpV0kl8Qn8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVhbLwuZnLA&feature=related
also see this short clip of anti-drug rocker Ted Nugent and his notable disgust for Cobain's drug lifestyle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-FiCk6Lac&NR=1 In a 1992 article in "Vanity Fair", Love admitted to using heroin while (unknowingly) pregnant. Love claimed that "Vanity Fair" had misquoted her, but her admission created controversy for the couple. While Cobain and Love's romance had always been something of a media attraction, the couple found themselves hounded by tabloid reporters after the article was published, many wanting to know if Frances was addicted to drugs at birth. The Los Angeles County Department of Children's Services took the Cobains to court, claiming that the couple's drug usage made them unfit parents. Two-weekold Frances Bean Cobain was ordered by the judge to be taken from their custody and placed with Courtney's sister Jamie for several weeks, after which the couple obtained custody, but had to submit to urine tests and a regular visit from a social worker. After months of legal wrangling, the couple were eventually granted full custody of their daughter.Interesting. Frances Cobain was named after failed mind control project Frances Farmer (Courtney Love was married in Farmer's dress while pregnant with her and high on heroin), and then the new born baby, at two weeks old, is taken by Department of Child Services and given to Love's half sister, Jamie Rodriguez for the first several weeks of its life. http://infamousceleb.com/files/2008/02/courtney-love.jpg http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/CourtneyLove/13_400.jpg http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20080916/293.cobain.francis.091608.jpg Frances Bean Cobain Kurt's Offspring Honors Him With Suicide Soiree Mon., Sep. 15, 2008 4:02 AM PDT by Ted Casablanca According to one of those darling little celeb board forums, Courtney Love reportedly spent more than $300k on her kid's, Frances Bean, sweet 16, but that ain't the most attention-grabbing part of the B-day bash: Celebrated at Sunset Boulevard's House of Blues, the party was a "suicidal 16" (claims the copied and pasted invite that accompanies the original posting), with a cake frosted with the words "R.I.P. Childhood." Check out Francie B's MySpace to see the pics for yourself, if ya dare. There was even a contest awarding prizes for guests who dressed the "most dead." In terms of class, this is right behind a Holocaust-themed Bar Mitzvah. Guess if your dad dies when you're a baby, it's easy to get a fixation with death your whole life, maybe? We sure wouldn't know, thank gawd, so we ain't judging the F.B. on her backwards way of bonding with her pops or her obsession with mortality. Gal's 16, anyway, and most teens go through a dark phase. Remember when Ashlee Simpson had brown hair? Exactly. But Becky's concerned with mama Love allowing her offspring to throw a suicide-inspired death bash.
She wonders, do ya really wanna be glamorizing self-destruction, Court, when your daughter's daddy offed himself? Even if Kurt were still alive and rockin' today, is there any excuse to encourage your kid to fetishize suicide? Whatever. I'm more bothered by the sweet 16-year-old being a spoiled princess playing dress-up, like any other Bev Hills spawn, budding goth goddess, my ass. Except her outfits are off the Hot Topic racks as opposed to Saks'. Just take a look at Francie's B-day invite, more demanding and diva-ish than Mariah Carey's rider requirements, seriously. Check out a snippet, posted online by one of her party buddies, here: ------------Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 Time: 9:30pm - 11:30pm City/Town: Los Angeles, CA MY one and only sweet 16.....eerrrr actually it's my "suicidal 16". At the house of blues, on September 2nd from 8:30 (TIME HAS CHANGED FORM 9:30 TO 8:30 KEEP THAT IN MIND) to 11:30 pm. MINDLESS SELF INDULGENCE IS PLAYING i suggest all who intend on coming go to itunes of youtube and look them. If you don't like them, then please don't come. all will be forced to jump around and dance. ALL. YOU MUST BE WEARING BLACK OR RED OR YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN! this does not mean you have to wear something "nice" or "fancy" but there is a color code so do it! Your bags will be searched at the door not my rules, but it is the house of blues' rules so don't be stupid and try to bring shit it do it b4 you get into the party if you have to and try to be stealth! WE ARE ALSO HAVING A CONTEST its the "who can look most dead contest" if you dress up dead and are picked as the top 3 you will receive a: IPOD TOUCH and a $200 gift certificate to amoeba. so get that face paint on, and try to make it as realistic as you can. there will only be 3 WINNERS. i guess that's it! hope to see you guys there! xx franny http://www.celebwarship.com/wp/wp-content/Uploads/frances-courtney.jpg red and black Love is a product of the hippie era. Her father, Hank Harrison, was a disciple of (and for a short time the manager of) The Grateful Dead, and her mother, Linda Carroll, a therapist best-known as the woman who in 1993 convinced radical fugitive Katherine Ann Power to surrender to authorities after more than two decades on the run. Yet, Love's childhood was not all flower power. Born Love
Michelle Harrison, she was still a baby when her parents divorced. By court order, her father was not allowed to see her unsupervised until she became an adult. Love's mother remarried and changed her daughter's name to Courtney Michelle. Love bounced between New Zealand and the US, from guardian to guardian. By the time she was 13, Love, who had begun to shoplift, was sent to reform school. (fails to mention that at 12, Love auditioned for the Mickey Mouse Club and was rejected) http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/02/05/lv_carroll003_mk.jpg [b]Love's mother [Linda Carroll] /B] (any relation to Lewis Carroll?) also this interesting link, an interview of Courtney Love's hippy mother, author of 'Her Mother's Daughter', which reveals that both Courtney Love's mother and grandmother were adopted orphans: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2006/02/05/LVGMTGVUQ31.DTL&o=1 http://bp0.blogger.com/_Bi3rctaxkz8/RbXpTYSQYcI/AAAAAAAAAK0/WRGqqMLH80M/s320/lind a2.jpg So we have here four generations of women who were essentially orphaned at birth, (Courtney herself conceived and raised by CIA hippy cults and Frances Bean having spent the first several weeks of her life adopted by her aunt, and then fatherless a year later) http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/eldon_hoke.shtml During the High Times article El Duce claimed that in the last days of December 1993, Courtney Love pulled up outside The Rock Shop, a Hollywood record shop, at 1644 Wilcox Ave, Hollywood, and spoke to him. The conversation went: C Love: "El, I need a favour of you. My old man's been a real asshole lately, I need you to blow his fucking head off." El Duce: "Are you serious"? C Love: "Yeah, I'll give you $50,000 to blow his fucking head off." El Duce: "I'm serious if you are". CLove: "Where can I reach you"? El Duce: "You can reach me here". They then went into the store and he handed her a business card. The manager of the shop, Karush Sepedjian remembers the visit. He said: "El was kicking it out on the bench in front of the store and she came up. I overheard her saying, "Can you handle doing this? Can you get this done? What do you want for it"? They were talking about knocking off Kurt Cobain. Then El brought her inside and said to me quietly, "She offered me $50,000". Love then took a business card and left. Sepedjian then went on to say that in March 1994 Love contacted the shop asking for El Duce, who at the time was on tour. Courtney was screaming: "That son of a bitch, we made an agreement. What am I going to do"? Sepedjian replied: "I don't know, I've got a business to run. Goodbye." Broomfield: "So you er, did some deal with Courtney right?" El Duce: "Yes. I just didn't think she was serious."
El Duce: (laughing.) "Make it look like a suicide." Broomfield: "Well, yeah, but if you just blew his brains out like you said, it wouldn't look like a suicide, it would look like you blew his brains out." El Duce: "Right, but er, I told Allen, I mean er, my friend who aah, I'll let the FBI catch him, but er, laughs, that's just the way it's done. End of Story ." About a week after El Duce's interview with Broomfield, on April 19, 1997 El Duce was killed by a train in Riverside, L.A. The events surrounding his death are murky. Wallace and Halperin report that at 5pm Duce arrived at his house with a man he said he had just met. After a while they left the house to go to the liquor store saying that they would be back shortly. They never returned. At 9pm Duce was hit by a train and died instantly. There were no witnesses. Police were unable to locate the man seen with Duce that afternoon. Music journalist and friend of Duce, Al Bowman said: "There is something very, very strange about his death. Anybody who knew El knew that you could make friends with him by offering to buy him a drink. He had a problem with alcohol." When asked if he thought El Duce was suicidal he replied: “No way. He was all exited about his upcoming tour. He was in good spirits. He didn't kill himself. I'm convinced this has something to do with Kurt Cobain." Death According to the book Who Killed Kurt Cobain? by Max Wallace and Ian Halperin, El Duce showed up at his friend Drew Gallagher's home on April 17, 1997, asking where he could go to get a fake driver's license. Hoke was incredibly paranoid and nervous at this time. When Gallagher asked what he meant, Hoke responded, "People get buried in cornfields, people get lost in swamps", meaning he was in fear for his life. The author claims that Hoke secretly informed Gallagher of who he was told had "killed Kurt Cobain". El Duce: "Right, but er, I told Allen, I mean er, my friend who aah, I'll let the FBI catch him, but er, laughs, that's just the way it's done. End of Story." Allen Ginsberg died April 5th, 1997, two weeks before El Duce http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/rdknieff/elliottburroughsginsberg.jpg William Burroughs with Allen Ginsberg http://www.vlib.us/beats/agwsb.jpg Association with NAMBLA Ginsberg also spoke out in defense of the freedom of expression of NAMBLA.. Ginsberg stated "I joined NAMBLA in defense of free speech..." In "Thoughts on NAMBLA", published in Deliberate Prose, Ginsberg elaborated on these thoughts, stating "NAMBLA's a forum for reform of those laws on youthful sexuality which members deem oppressive, (it is) a discussion society not a sex club." Ginsberg expressed the opinion that the appreciation of youthful bodies and "the human form divine" has been a common theme throughout the history of culture, "from Rome's Vatican, to Florence's Uffizi galleries, to New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art", and that laws regarding the issue needed to be more openly discussed. When his point about free speech had been made, Ginsberg quit the organization. William Burroughs was dead four months later
http://pichostonline.com/u/081109/70273b7559.jpg the above is from Cobain's journals, in which he describes Nirvana as being 'spawned from the bowels of a red-neck logger town called Aberdeen and the Bainbridge Island hippie commune' http://sacredgroves.com/photos/logo-comm-healing.jpg Sacred Groves Commune logo
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/97/208847540_499a0527be_m.jpg Sacred Groves is a ten acre forest sanctuary located on Bainbridge Island, in Washington state, home to a small intentional community living in harmony with each other, nature and spirit. We welcome guests and clients to the land for rituals, healing work, music, learning, prayer and retreat time in the woods. It is a place to deepen your relationship with Mother Earth and your personal spirituality, a place for ceremony and a sense of connection. We offer season’s change rituals, sweatlodges, grief-work, communication classes, a monthly drum circle and Women’s Moon Ceremony and more. events are geared especially towards women’s healing and empowerment. Welcome to Sacred Groves!Sacred Groves is not affiliated with any particular religion. The events here include elements of ritual from earth-based spiritual traditions in North America, Africa and preChristian Europe. They have also been inspired by mentors like Sobonfu Some, Joanna Macy, Starhawk, and co-creative experiences in drumming and ritual groups for the past couple of decades. We welcome people from all races and cultures who share our beliefs that the earth is sacred and that music, dance, prayer, ceremony, and time in the natural world are essential for personal and community health. Sacred Groves Autumn 2008 Autumn Equinox Ritual: Friday September 19th, 6-9pm, Potluck dinner 6-7pm followed by a candle-lit walk at dusk, with a re-telling of the Demeter-Persephone myth, songs and dances, ending around a bonfire.
http://www.burningman.com/themecamps/07_camp_vill_c.html http://www.burningman.com/sections/all/burningman.gif Camp Mystic Inspired by a sense of mystery and wonder, Camp Mystic perceives the conscious awareness of We Are All One. Transcending the realities we are faced with everyday, we encourage the enigmatic spirit to explore a deeper, higher, connection with not only this planet and all that exists within, but the greater spiritual realm of the entire universe Hometown: Bainbridge Island, WA the above 'We Are All One' reminds me of the final lines of 'All Apologies': What else should I be
All apologies What else could I say Everyone is gay What else could I write I don't have the right What else should I be All apologies I wish I was like you Easily amused Find my nest of salt Everything is my fault I'll take all the blame Aqua seafoam shame Sunburn with freezerburn Choking on the ashes of her enemy In the sun In the sun I feel as one In the sun In the sun Married Buried Married Buried Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah... All in all is we all are (x21) http://sacredgroves.com/uploaded_images/IMGP6354-703128.JPG these Sacred Groves sisterhood pics remind of that Nicholas Cage film Wickerman http://www.bainbridgewellness.com/SoundParent100c.jpg http://www.cagefactor.com/photos/wickerman/dutchposter.jpg http://www.avclub.com/content/files/images/TheWickerMan.article.jpg http://i3.tinypic.com/8fy74u0.jpg http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Wicker-Man-movie-06.jpg Another interesting aspect is how closely this feminist 'Sacred Groves' commune jibes with both Kurt Cobain's obsession with feminism/male sexism, and Courtney Love's 'feminist empowerment' outlook/hippy cult background, and noted bisexuality. Courtney Love would be right at home in a place like Sacred Groves (has an almost 'Bohemian Grove' feel to it. Bohemian Grove is a largely gay retreat, and at a guess 'Sacred Groves' commune borders on being its female/lesbian/bisexual equivalent.)
Interesting that both Sacred Groves and Bohemian Grove are into symbolic burning of man rituals. (guess when you manufacture flame throwers and napalm and cluster bombs for a living, you get a little sentimental at times) http://www.infowars.com/images2/occult/bg_2005_cover.jpg http://www.thebereanchronicles.com/pages_for_index_main/bohemian1017a.jpg http://z.about.com/d/sanfrancisco/1/0/c/S/-/-/Freedman_Burning_Man_10.jpg http://www.3dculture.com/bm3d/mask04rb.jpg from Burning Man 2004 (woman with mask in front of the Temple of Stars) I just finished reading 'Kurt Cobain' , the unflinching biography by Christopher Sandford, and it contained some interesting information that reminded me of 'My Own Private Idaho'. For example: 'A friend name Francis Coughlin remembers Cobain's mother "fussing about the boy almost unnaturally", holding him in a quilted pink blanket and raising eyebrows among the more roughly hewn neighbors.' - page 18 'A resident of Young Street said "You should have seen the way she (his mother) dressed Kurt up for school. He looked like Little Lord Fauntleroy.' - page 25 The above passages remind me of the footage from 'My Own Private Idaho' of Mike as a baby boy dressed in a pink winter jacket, with his narcoleptic mother passing out and dropping him. The book also mentions that both Cobain's parents and grandparents lived in trailers when he was a child, which also meshes with 'My Own Private Idaho', where Mike returns home, traveling home from Portland/Seattle to his Dad's trailer in Idaho. Another fact mentioned is this: 'Three weeks later, after a concert at the Cabaret Metro in Chicago, Cobain attended the opening of 'My Own Private Idaho' (a film he admired) and secured a front-row seat on the basis of being 'the guy from Nirvana'. - page 213 Interesting too that Cobain's estranged father became a police officer in later years: 'Don Cobain moved to Bellingham, north of Seattle, where in a career change that would have confirmed his son's worst fears, he joined the Washington State Patrol. He communicates sporadically with Love and his granddaughter. Apart from one calculated lapse, Don refuses all offers to speak about his family, believing the press has stigmatized him as the 'big bad guy' in Cobain's life.' - page 358 and that the Cobains had a family history of shotgun 'suicides'
in this interview, Cobain reveals a bit of his strange childhood, including being a manic depressive at 9 years old, and thinking that he was a space alien (also mentions how he was groomed to be a musician from a very early age by his aunt, similar to the Mickey Mouse Club clique etc.): video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZKr1BVMPi4&feature=related
Cobain compared himself to Frances Farmer, who was in and out of mental institutions, another possible 'project'. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/FrancesFarmer_SonofFury.jpg Farmer with Tyrone Power in Son of Fury (1942). Here is a link to information on how Seattle-born actress Frances Farmer was allegedly abused by the psychiatric community, electroshocked, and even raped on military bases: http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/frances/index.htm Farmer had been ridiculed, dismissed as a paranoid, raving lunatic at the time that she attempted to 'go public' with this information, but in light of what is now publicly known to have happened with MKUltra , Monarch, etc. ........Frances Farmer's story is really not as far-fetched now as it must have seemed back then, when virtually nothing was known about this type of secret activity. It sounds like they attempted to turn her into a multiple. Oddly enough, Farmer once worked at the Fairmont Olympic Hotel, another massive gothic rail hotel similar to the one that Cobain was staying at in Banff when given the lyrics. In fact it is part of the same Fairmont chain of hotels. http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/images/2008/01/31/frances_farmer_2.jpg Frances Farmer Western State Hospital and later life Farmer moved back in with her parents in West Seattle, but she and her mother fought bitterly. Within six months, Farmer physically attacked her mother. Her mother then had Frances Farmer committed to Western State Hospital at Steilacoom, Washington. There, Farmer sometimes received electroconvulsive shock treatment (ECT). Three months later, during the summer of 1944, she was pronounced "completely cured" and released. While traveling with her father to visit at an aunt's ranch in Reno, Nevada, Farmer ran away. She spent time with a family who had picked her up hitchhiking, but she was eventually arrested for vagrancy in Antioch, California. Her arrest received wide publicity. Offers for help came in from across the country, but Farmer ignored them all. After a long stay with her aunt in Nevada, Farmer went back to her parents. At her mother's request, at age 32, Farmer was recommitted to Western State Hospital in May 1945 and remained there almost five years, with the exception of a brief parole in 1946.
http://www.historylink.org/db_images/farmmom.JPG Farmer with her demented looking mother Farmer was ridiculed and dismissed for her accounts of being raped on military bases, but it turns out that the very insane asylum that her mother sent her to, in 1944, was originally a military base. Fort Steilacoom was decommissioned as a military post in 1868. In 1871 an insane asylum opened there, with the barracks serving as patient and staff housing. Fort Steilacoom is now the mental hospital called Western State Hospital. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/01/Frances_Farmer_Undated.jpg/200pxFrances_Farmer_Undated.jpg Frances Elena Farmer (date of birth) : September 19, 1913 By January 1943, she failed to pay the rest of the fine and a bench warrant was issued for her arrest. At almost the same time, a studio hairdresser filed an assault charge alleging that Farmer had dislocated her jaw on the set. The police traced Farmer to the Knickerbocker Hotel in Hollywood. Getting no answer, they entered her room with a pass key. They reportedly found her in bed (some stories include an episode involving the bathroom) and made her dress quickly. By all accounts, she did not surrender peacefully. At her hearing the next morning, she behaved erratically. She claimed the police had violated her civil rights, demanded an attorney, and threw an inkwell at the judge. He immediately sentenced her to 180 days in jail. She knocked down a policeman and bruised another, along with a matron. She ran to a phone booth where she tried to call her attorney, but was subdued by the police. They physically carried her away as she shouted, “Have you ever had a broken heart?” http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/images/2008/01/31/frances_farmer_2.jpg Newspaper reports gave sensationalized accounts of her arrest. Through the efforts of her sister-in-law, a deputy sheriff in Los Angeles County, Farmer was transferred to the psychiatric ward of L.A. General Hospital. There she was diagnosed with "manic depressive psychosis." First hospitalization Within days, having been sent to the San Fernando Valley and the Kimball Sanitarium in La Crescenta, Farmer was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. That would make Frances Farmer 29 years old at the time of her first hospitalization. http://www.pigfarmerbikemagazines.co.uk/pictures/logo-bannerg.gif http://www.historicaviation.com/historicaviation/Image.po?pn=0001394&size=large http://www.historicaviation.com/historicaviation/Image.po?pn=0005673&size=large
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/tomasutpen/album4/hellsangels.jpg http://fortwiki.com/images/c/c0/FortSteilacoom_1860.jpg Fort Steilacoom later became Western State mental hospital and hog farm Ken Kesey was 'a brother' of Beta Theta Pi fraternity He was enrolled at the prestigious Stanford University in California when he wrote 'One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, while allegedly volunteering as a guinea pig for CIA-financed MKultra LSD tests. At Stanford in 1959, Kesey volunteered to take part in a CIA-financed study named Project MKULTRA at the Menlo Park Veterans Hospital. The project studied the effects of psychoactive drugs, particularly LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, cocaine, AMT, and DMT on people. Kesey wrote many detailed accounts of his experiences with these drugs, both during the Project MKULTRA study and in the years of private experimentation that followed. The inspiration for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest came while working on the night shift (with Gordon Lish) at the Menlo Park Veterans' Hospital. There, Kesey often spent time talking to the patients, sometimes under the influence of the hallucinogenic drugs with which he had volunteered to experiment. Kesey did not believe that these patients were insane, rather that society had pushed them out because they did not fit the conventional ideas of how people were supposed to act and behave. Kesey bought a sprawling place at La Honda, in South San Francisco, where Courtney Love's mother Linda Carroll became involved with Haight Ashbury scene and Kesey's Pranksters. Kesey left California after being busted for drug posession, and returned to his family farm in Eugene, Oregon. The Grateful Dead frequently hung out with him there , considering Eugene a second home. Courtney Love's father, Hank Harrison, one time manager of the Grateful Dead, authored a 'Grateful Dead' biography, titled The Dead: A Social History of the Haight-Ashbury Experience. Courtney Love was born in SanFrancisco, and then raised in Eugene, Oregon, and was moved to New Zealand , then England, then back to Eugene to live with her mother's therapist. (Her movements from SanFrancisco to Eugene, Oregon exactly parallel those of Pranksters leader Ken Kesey, btw) Her adoptive family eventually moved to Portland, Oregon, where she eventually met Kurt Cobain. Courtney Love was born Michelle Love Harrison in San Francisco, the daughter of Hank Harrison, a one-time associate of the Grateful Dead, who boasted of disciplining her with a pit bull. Her mother was Linda Carroll, a therapist best known for persuading the urban terrorist Katherine Ann Power in 1993 to surrender after more than two decades on the run. The hippie family lived briefly in a commune in Eugene, Oregon, before splitting up. By court order, Harrison, who once compared her to Charles Manson, was forbidden from seeing his daughter unsupervised until she became an adult. Her mother remarried, changed her daughter’s name to Courtney Love and moved abroad. Love bounced between New Zealand, Britain and America, from guardian to guardian
After high school, Carroll's fascination with odd characters led her to the Haight's hippie community and finally to Hank Harrison, an early Grateful Dead associate who threatened to kill himself unless Carroll slept with him. At a loss, she did. They later married in Reno and Carroll became pregnant with Courtney. The two divorced, Carroll says, after Harrison's behavior grew increasingly violent and erratic. Courtney Love's childhood was blighted from the start. She returned from visits with Hank covered in paint, talking about drugs and suffering from nightmares. Expelled from school after school, interviewed by psychiatrist after psychiatrist, she was prone to fits of rage and feelings of persecution. Barely able to keep her own life together, Carroll eventually left her eldest in the care of friends. Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? I am a person who was into the rock band the Grateful Dead for many years. Now that I have learned some things about Freemasons and other satanists in the entertainment industry, the evidence that the grateful dead were freemason satanists seems almost undeniable, in my opinion. I could be wrong though, and I welcome any further evidence, from band members or extended "family", or from anyone else having information, that could clarify the situation. I present below a number of points that support this idea. Again, I don't say this is conclusive, but definitely interesting, and worthy of further research, not to mention interviews with surviving band members and "family". 1) Members of the Grateful Dead and the Merry Pranksters have NUMEROUS ties to US intelligence organizations and mind control operations. Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter, and head Merry Prankster Ken Kesey (founder and promoter of the "acid tests" during the sixties, which served to "turn on" thousands of people to the CIA's mind control drug LSD) were both "volunteers" in the government's LSD "research" at Stanford University in the early sixties. 2) The Grateful Dead got their start as the "house band" for the Merry Pranksters' acid tests. "The Merry Pranksters" derived their name from a group of medeival satanists called the Merry pranksters. The motto of the modern-day merry pranksters was "Never trust a Prankster!". The Pranksters membership included LSD kingpin Owsley Stanley, British Intelligence agent and Whole Earth Catalog founder Stewart Brand, child-rapist Allen Ginsburg, and "Mountain Girl" aka Mrs. Jerry Garcia. The Pranksters were also great "friends" with everyone's favorite guys, The Hell's Angels. In other words, the freemason hell's angels were the "security" for the pranksters at their acid tests. 3) Despite being busted numerous times for drugs including cocaine, marijuana, heroin, and HUMONGOUS quantities of LSD, none of the band members ever seems to have done any real jail time. I know of many people with no prior record who were busted with as little as a seed or a joint of marijuana who did jail time. Is the Grateful Dead's "outlaw" persona simply a phony masonic con job? Despite being busted in 1969 with HUMONGOUS quantities of drugs, the Dead not only did NO JAIL TIME WHATSOEVER, but were able to travel freely out of the country for their famous 1972 European tour. 4) The Grateful Dead record covers and art work are LOADED with Freemason symbolism. First of all, the skulls and skeletons which are EVERYWHERE in association with this band. Somewhere on Freemasonry Watch, there is a description of the 33rd degree ceremony, which describes all the
SKELETONS that are hung up around the "temple" during this ceremony. At many Dead shows, there were large skeletons hung up both inside and outside the venue. The rose (and the rose with the skeleton) is another VERY common symbol associated with the Grateful Dead, and with freemasonry. On numerous concert posters and album art work, the artist Rick Griffin chose to represent a giant flying eyeball with wings. The disconnected "all-seeing eye" is a well-known masonic symbol. The main symbol/corporate logo most people know of the Grateful Dead is from a record called "Steal Your Face". This corporate logo consists of a representation of a skull, with a lightning bolt going through the middle of it, originally (and usually) in masonic red, white and blue colors. You can view this logo (sans the red white and blue) at dead.net - the official homepage of the Grateful Dead corporation. This could easily be interpreted as a symbol of Crowley's "spermo-gnosticism". (See the website "Christendom and Freemasonry's Use of the Phallus" (as linked to on this site in other places) to read about what a lightning bolt symbolizes for freemasons). Indeed, the original name for the album featuring this logo was "Skull F*ck". The title was rejected by Warner Bros executives however, and the Dead decided to call the record "Steal Your Face" instead. Note too that the Dead had NUMEROUS and important connections with Crowley's OTO. Were the Grateful Dead spermognostic semen drinkers like Crowley's other disciples? Their corporate logo would certainly seem to suggest this. 5) Bassist Phil Lesh had (has?) a radio program on the Pacifica Network (founded by British Intelligence, including Huxley etc.) called "Eyes of Order, Veil of Chaos". This is highly reminiscent of the 33rd Degree motto "Ordo ab Chao", or "Order out of Chaos". 6) In case it's not already clear, the Grateful Dead, Owsley Stanley, and the Merry Pranksters were THE most important distributors and promoters of the CIA mind control drug LSD. These people did more than ANYBODY to manufacture, promote and distribute LSD. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD BUY A MORE EFFECTIVE PR JOB for the CIA's mind control drug LSD. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that the prankster's and the dead's promotion of LSD was NOT a spontaneous event that happen after LSD "accidentally" slipped out of the CIA labs at Stanford, as they try to make it out. The dead and their writers always try to make it look like LSD just "accidentally" got out of the army research labs at Stanford. It looks a helluva lot more like it was INTENTIONALLY released by the government masons, using Kesey, the Dead, and Owsley Stanley to hype and distribute this drug. Owsley Stanley was the greatest LSD manufacturer of all time. He is directly responsible for ALL of the LSD used at Kesey's tests, and for the LSD that was distributed widely. He views LSD as a sacrament. You can read about his ideas on LSD here: thebear.org/essays.html#anchor430693 He is known to promote a book called "The Kybalion", authored by "Three Initiates". DOes anyone have any more information on this book? Is it a masonic book? If so, then there should be no further doubt that Owsley Stanley, the LSD manufacturing kingpin of the 60's, was a masonic operative. His family history would certainly suggest a masonic background, as one of his descendants was Augustus Owsley Stanley, a senator from Kentucky. Is it possible to be a Senator from Kentucky without being a mason? Owsley (or "Bear" as he likes to be called) had numerous contacts in government intelligence, such as multimillionaire Billy Hitchcock, and government operative and "Whole Earth Catalog" founder Stewart Brand (also a Merry Prankster). Owsley was supposedly "busted" for LSD in the seventies. How much jail time did he actually end up doing for manufacturing and possessing enough LSD to dose the entire population of the earth a thousand times over? No one really knows. He lives in
Australia now. 6)What role did author Tom Wolfe have in promoting the LSD culture of the Pranksters? His "bestselling" book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" took an obscure and almost entirely unknown group of people living in the woods in Northern California (the merry pranksters), and made them (and their culture of drug use and free sex etc) into international stars. Wolfe seems to have a penchant for documenting the exploits of Freemasons. Hence his book "the Right Stuff", about NASA, which as we all know is controlled by Masons (EVERY single astronaut is a confessed freemason.) Phil Lesh often wears NASA t-shirts at his concerts. DOes anyone know of Wolfe's masonic connections? Wolfe is this clown who lives in NYC who goes around in an idiotic white suit and hat. This is his "trademark" or something. 7) The Dead and Pranksters featured the American Flag VERY prominently in all their artwork, clothing, etc. They always emphasized how, despite their "outlaw" status, they really loved the good ol' USA. Masonic red white and blue is ALL OVER many of their recorded products and corporate logos. Robert Hunter's lyrics abound with Masonic references. First is his song "The Mason's Children". In addition there is his hit "Friend of the Devil", with the repeated refrain "A friend of the Devil is a friend of mine". In addition there is the Dead "signature" tune called "Dark Star", which is a well-known satanic reference. I could easily go ON AND ON AND ON with masonic quotes from Robert Hunter's lyrics, but you can go to any lyric site on the web and look them up yourself. I doubt you could find one song by this guy that doesn't have some kind of masonic reference in it. 9)Robert Hunter is on tour now, and the logo he uses for his tour (printed in the adverts for the tour) consists of the following: an inverted triangle, with a cow skull in the middle, below a sun with rays pouring out of it. Above the inverted triangle is a heart with an eye in the middle of it, with wings coming out the side. I think such a blatantly masonic logo could hardly be an accident. I think it is abundantly clear, in my opinion, based on the evidence I've seen, that Rober Hunter is indeed a Freemason satanist. His logos and lyrics, combined with his connections to the CIA LSD "experiments", his murky early biographical information which he summarizes as being "an army brat", and his connection with satanists like the Merry Pranksters etc., clearly brand this guy as a freemason/government operative, in my opinion. I welcome any feedback if I am not correct. Another of Hunter's lyrics (sung by Jerry Garcia) is a song called "U.S. Blues". Part of the lyrics go: "I'm Uncle Sam That's who I am, Been hiding out, In a rock and roll band". 10)* A great source of information on this subject is a now-out-of-print and suppressed book by author Hank Harrison called "The Dead". I used to own this book. It can still be found, but is out of print now, if I' not mistaken. Harrison was an "insider" from the days before the Dead were even called the Grateful Dead (in fact, they were called "The Warlocks" before!!!) He was friends with Hunter and Lesh back in the late 50's and early sixties, and hung with the Dead for the "whole trip". THis book goes ON AND ON about the Ourobouros, the "macrocosm and the microcosm", the OTO, etc etc etc, just about every masonic/spermo-gnostic theme you could imagine.. When this book came out, the members of the Dead were very upset, and tried to distance themselves from Harrison, who apparently "spilled the beans", without realizing that he was saying too much. I always wondered why the Dead
were so upset with this book. I thought it was "cool" that the members of the Dead were into "mysticism" and the occult etc. Why would they be so upset over this book? Now I think I know... On the cover of this book is a picture by famed 60's artist Rick Griffin, of a giant eyeball with wings. 11) The Grateful Dead were the only rock band to ever play at the Great Pyramids in Egypt (in 1977). Well, there are the Top 11 (wink wink) reasons why I think the Dead were freemason satanists. There are many many many more I could point out. I could easily write a book on the subject. Maybe I will. Believe me, this hole goes a lot deeper. We could go into LSD consumption during quasimasonic/grateful dead ritual as homeopathic OTO "elixir" substitute. We could go into the band members involvement with blood and organ donation, but....let's not go there right now. I just ate. Wouldn't you love to donate your blood and organs to members of a group called the Grateful Dead? I hear that since Jerry died, they now call themselves simply "The Dead". Lovely... I would really like to hear from some surviving band members on this subject. I somehow doubt that any of them will respond though. Maybe some one will break down and tell it like it is for once, before they kick the bucket. They need not go to "Hell in a Bucket", but at least they'll enjoy the ride. People are crazy. *not sure of the factual accuracy of this part
"they tried to change her brain and personality around to forget me by giving her over to a mind control doctor named Dr Pharr in Portland to try to re-parent her which was one of the names they used in that new age era." Love Runs Wild Courtney Love's father, Hank Harrison, discusses his rocker daughter April 16, 2004 Court TV Host: Talk live online to Courtney Love's estranged father, Hank Harrison. Love is facing a trial on felony drug charges in Beverly Hills, California, where she is scheduled to be arraigned on April 30th. Hank Harrison was just on Catherine Crier Live, and he's going to be chatting with us here. Court TV Host: Welcome, Mr. Harrison, thank you for being our guest today. Hank Harrison: Thank you. Court TV Host: Anything you didn't get a chance to say on air that you'd like to begin with before we take questions? Hank Harrison: Okay. I came prepared today to discuss the death of Robert Pastorelli on April 8th. Pastorelli died in his home from an overdose of morphine and vomited all over himself. He then was found with the needle still hanging from his arm. This is the typical way junkies die. It is considered an
overdose or suicide. In this case it was ruled an accident by the Los Angeles Medical Examiner Clyde Reeves. I have the report right here, and it's available on The Smokinggun.com Pastorelli died typically, quickly, with the amount of heroin he had in his system. He had been addicted for several weeks prior to his death. The rebuttal that junkies build up a tolerance is only true to a certain extent. No one, not even an army mule, which was the analogy given earlier on the Crier show, can sustain the amount of heroin that was found in Kurt Cobain's body. However, the Pastorelli situation was typical due to the bodily fluids being rejected, whereas in the Cobain case the body was laid down and cleaned up, the needle was put back in the box, the tie-up was neatly rolled up in the cigar box, and the kind of heroin that was found in the syringe at the Cobain crime scene was black tar heroin which my experience tells me was not powerful enough in it of itself to create that much morphine toxicity. So anyone, regardless of what your agenda is, will see by comparing the Pastorelli case with Cobain's could see that something's wrong, because the vomit and other bodily fluids were nowhere to be found. Therefore, the conclusion is: somebody cleaned up the crime scene! Somebody cleaned up the body before it was laid to rest in that position. Here's the next part: if the crime scene had simply been scrubbed up, which is often the case when family interfere with crime scenes before the police get there, we wouldn't have much to talk about. But then the suicide theorists want us to believe that Kurt stood up, took a shotgun in his mouth and pulled a trigger after which he wiped off the fingerprints. These few things that I've mentioned are only two or three of the amazing contradictions that one finds in this case. And I haven't even mentioned murder yet or motive. Now I'll take questions. Question from Shell: People say that Robert may have murdered his girlfriend years ago. Do you believe there is any truth to that? Hank Harrison: I have no idea. I'm merely using the current forensics to establish a point. It merits investigation because she died in '99. Six years is a long time to carry a torch which would wind up in suicide. However I was only using the Pastorelli case as an example of the forensic dissimilarities. Question from isis: When you said that Courtney was a fraud and manipulated the media, what did you mean? Hank Harrison: How could you be more clear than that? (Laughs.) I mean the media all and all is pretty stupid, and the public is pretty gullible. If NBC can have big shows like Apprentice and have it be #1, I don't know what's left of TV. Courtney has spent millions of dollars of Kurt's money especially buying television, radio, and print media. No one ever seems to wonder how someone who's never had a hit record managed to get that much ink. The answer is she pays for it. She hires publicists with every extra dollar to guarantee her appearances on Letterman or Leno. To get on Jay Leno she went up to his door with a black cat -- she knew Leno was fond of cats. She walked up to his house, rang the bell and asked if he wanted to adopt another cat. That's how Courtney and Jay met. But Jay doesn't know that she's being pulling that same scam for 25 years! Sometimes it's a puppy, it's a kitten or just herself looking bedraggled. She gets people to take her in that way emotionally. One has to be very firm with people like Courtney; alcoholics and junkies are very manipulative. Add to that the fact that Cournety's mother is a 150 IQ and I have a 131 IQ and a photographic memory. Courtney has both You can imagine what she's capable of. She IS a rocket scientist -- if she wanted to be. Question from Pammy: Sir, how long have you and your daughter been estranged? Hank Harrison: I never thought I was estranged from Courtney. Courtney tells people that in the media. The answer is probably since the baby was born. She told me in 1993 the year before Kurt died that I could go up to Seattle to see the baby and meet Kurt. She did not tell me that the week before our
meeting she had solicited his murder/assassination to a guy named Eldon Hoke a.k.a. Il Duce and of the Mentors rock punk band. Il Duce was hit by a train two years later, but only after passing several lie detector tests. I was fortunate enough to speak to Il Duce in person and on the telephone. Once in Chicago I bought him dinner and drinks in '97 when he was doing the Jerry Springer show. At that time he looked me in the eye and said he did it. He's disreputable, but I believed him. My heart sank again. Add to that the kind of "father bashing" she spent so much money on -- hatchet jobs, attacks on my career and wife and so forth causes me to wonder why she would protest so much unless I hit a vital nerve. Question from JohnMark: How was your relationship with your daughter before you wrote your book and how is it now, after the book is out? Hank Harrison: My book is not out yet. That is a misunderstanding. The book to which you are referring is probably the book by Halperin and Wallace That book came out in '98 or '99 as "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?" and has been rehashed now under "Love Kills." And I cooperated with the original book but not the second book because in the meantime I had a falling out with Halperin. My book is looking for a publisher now. It is finished. It is 700 pages thick, and I assure that I am a professional writer. Almost nothing in my book overlaps anything in the Love Kills book. But Courtney has spent an unimaginable amount of money attempting to suppress my book and career. She doesn't want my book to come out. She can handle Halperin and Wallace--they haven't got a clue. They just suspect -- they have plausible suspicions. But I have exact knowledge of places, date, and times, and I have letters both from Courtney as well as Kurt's family, even President Clinton in my book. Question from Caren: Why do you seem so willing to "hang out" with Courtney, as you stated? What do you hope to accomplish by doing that? And why would you want to "hang out" with a so-called murderer? Hank Harrison: Very good. Here it is: First, I had a heart attack in January, followed by a mini stroke. I want to see my granddaughter before I kick the f--king bucket. Hasn't anyone gotten that yet? I am 63! People who ask that question are almost always not parents. Question from Shell: Have you given up hope that your daughter can pull her life together, if not for herself, then at least for her child? Hank Harrison: Absolutely not. She's full of hope and so am I. She's got more guts than anybody you'll ever meet. And I do love her -- I want people to know that. She 's a lot like me. If I hadn't gone to therapy I'd be just like her. She's me without therapy. I wish she would go and get some with all that money she's got. Question from annarocket: Why doesn't Courtney want to have a relationship with you? Hank Harrison: Because I'm an a-hole. (Laughs.) Because she knows I know all of her tricks. You can't function in a world where everyone knows your tricks. I taught her all of those tricks. I didn't manage the Grateful Dead for seven years and not learn something. Question from Sckare: What's the strongest piece of evidence you have against Courtney about Kurt ? Hank Harrison: The forensics are very strong that Kurt was murdered. But much weaker when it comes to pointing the finger directly at Courtney Love. Courtney used this guy Tom Grant as a patsy to
establish an alibi on Easter Sunday 1994. Kurt was probably in a coma at that time she was in LA. I cannot prove that Courtney killed Kurt. However, it's pretty obvious that somebody did. There's another forensic element that needs to be discussed. When Kurt's body was found there were two fresh needle marks on his left arm opposite the elbow. Kurt was left handed. No one who ever used drugs with him ever saw him inject drugs into his left arm. Therefore, I pretty much conclude that whoever did the actual injection was either very stupid or did not know that Cobain was left-handed. Again that doesn't answer the earlier question. There was one thing that is ominous and difficult to rationalize: no one involved in the case was ever able to trace Courtney to an airplane flight on Easter or the Monday after Easter. Although Kurt was easily traced via his credit card and his United Airlines computer documentation. However, two flights were recorded from LAX to Boeing field in Seattle during that time frame. Both were private jets. Add to this the fact that it is well known that she bragged about it a lot -- that Courtney always had a private jet at her disposal as part of the "Geffen arrangement". But again, that has to do with the cover-up after the fact. The people who helped her cover up what happened were frightened for their own mistakes, they did not have anything to do with killing Kurt but they had a lot do with covering it up after the fact. In order to prove that those jets were used one would have to prove they were Geffen corporate. In order to prove that Rosemary Carol the attorney was engaged in a conflict of interest situation, you would have to subpoena Collico records to see what Rosemary had written in any reports. Although one wonders why Kurt and Courtney had the same lawyer. Question from Inc: What kind of little girl was Courtney? Hank Harrison: All that stuff is in my book. Wonderful, brilliant beautiful child. All areas. Easy to get along with. Never caused any trouble until she was seven or eight, and then they took her away from me. An interesting point to be brought up here, and I hope it is not too self-serving, but in 1971 I was in a Zen monastery when I got the subpoena to come to court to defend myself as to why I should not allow adoption of my daughter to Frank Rodriguez because the assumption was because I was in a Zen monastery, and they were Catholics and that I had very little money. It looked like I abandoned her. At that time, 1971, Mr. Rodriguez was asked the following question by the court: "Are you now and forever more capable of providing a healthy and secure environment for said child?" Answer under oath: "Yes." Fact: Rodriguez and Rodriguez were separated and filing for a divorce when that statement was made. Thus, he perjured himself. Mysteriously, all of those documents were lost in the basement of San Francisco, and I could never find them. Here's the kicker: 1997 rolls around and my attorney of record on that case, one Dennis B. Natali, was shot dead on the street by a gang of Vietnamese thugs to silence him from testifying in a federal case. When that happened a few months later his widow allowed some of his clients to go into his office and get documentations pertinent to their cases. Lo and behold, there was the entire adoption case sitting in a cardboard box in his office. Now I have all the documentation I need. Because I was denied due process to reopen that case, and prove that Rodriguez perjured himself. Guess who has my granddaughter right now? Frank Rodriguez, the second husband, even though Linda Carol, my wife, Courtney's mother, married three other guys after Frank, Frank is still messing with my life! That's how far back this bad karma goes. Frank was the one who put Courtney in a mental hospital and several foster homes and juvenile halls. Even though my own sister wanted her to come and live with in San Francisco, and my sister is a social worker. Court TV Host: You mentioned that documents related to the initial case were lost -- how did your dead lawyer, Natali, how did he end up with the documents? Hank Harrison: They were answers and depositions to his filings, counter filings and counter suits because I fought hard. At the time it didn't look good with me being the manager of a rock band like
the Grateful Dead. Question from Pammy: Sir, what is your hope of the outcome of all this? a new investigation? Question from Shell: Aren't you concerned that your discussions might prompt a new investigation in which Courtney could be indicted for murder? Hank Harrison: Okay, the answer is simple, there will never under any circumstances be a new investigation in Seattle. And I don't know enough about the law to speculate on a federal involvement being the fact that they crossed state lines during the commission of the crime. But I can reiterate: the state of Washington, the city of Seattle will never reopen the case. They did not like Kurt or the grunge movement. Kurt said things to offend the local gentry and constabulary, such as: "Happiness is a rock in a cop's face." And that's just one of them. Seattle has nothing to gain by opening the case because it's going to make them look bad. And it may end up with lawsuits because several people killed themselves under the assumption that it was a suicide. Question from Caren: Out of curiosity, if you did not raise her & have barely known her personally for many years, how do you feel you can comment on anything she does? Question from Caren: How do you know what she does for the past 25 years, when you have not been directly involved with Courtney? Do you think maybe you are obsessed with your daughter's fame and using that to get your name out there? Hank Harrison: (Laughs.) First, those are good questions. I'm already famous -- I've been famous since I was 17. I have several inventions, patents and copyrights, and I've been in Who's Who in the World and America since '92. I was organically in Who's Who in the West in the early '70s My original book on the Grateful Dead was a bestseller. That said, I have been tracking down the secrets of the Holy Grail for the last 20 years or more. And have come to some very, very profound conclusion including a great deal of study in the libraries of Europe. Courtney is my only child. I raised her until she was seven. Lost track of her for nine years, found her again in juvenile hall in Salem, Oregon, got her out, demonstrated to her while she was still a minor that she had over a million dollars in trust which her mother was keeping from her. Second, her mother told her I was dead. Third, they tried to change her brain and personality around to forget me by giving her over to a mind control doctor named Dr Pharr in Portland to try to re-parent her which was one of the names they used in that new age era. I was not around at the time. However, since 1979 I've been in touch with everything she's done every day of her life as much as I can in any circumstances. She lived with me in Ireland, and in Sausalito, San Francisco. She moved with me several times until I moved to Europe and came back in '82. She lived with us again and practiced Sugar Babylon and her other bands in my basement. I knew all of her friends and most of her boyfriends growing up. So don't say I "don't know anything about her." I taught her to write poetry and I taught her to read until she surpassed me and was on her own. I taught her to use the library. Question from Inc: Do you love your daughter? Question from DetroitRockCity: Do you still love Courtney? Hank Harrison: Yes, very much. However strange that may seem. I'm also very proud of her. For stuff that she's done that one can be proud of.
Question from nolo: What would you say to Courtney if she called you on the phone right now? Question from Inc: What would you like to say to Courtney today if she is watching the chat? Hank Harrison: First of all, my granddaughter is a known equestrian and well trained horseback rider. My wife is an Olympic trainer. It would make sense to get those two together. Courtney is welcome at my house anytime, as long as she manages to show the same respect as she would at anybody's home. I think sometimes my wife would go completely nuts if she showed up, because my wife knows her very well, having met her in Ireland, and Liverpool and elsewhere over the years. Court TV Host: Any closing thoughts? Hank Harrison: My book needs to come out to answer all these questions. I am a publisher, but publishing it myself would make it look like a vanity press. Dozens of other people have exploited the Cobain situation -- I will probably make no profit from the publication of my book and will give all my proceeds to suicide prevention and homeless charities. Court TV Host: Thank you very much for being our guest.
I've suddenly had a rekindled interest in the subject of Kurt Cobain's death. I've read Kurt's notebook thing, which by the way was compiled with the help of Courtney Love... and I've read a lot of biographies about Kurt. I worshipped that guy as my God for many years. I still love him and miss his presence. Anyway, lately I've had this problem with both the theory that Courtney alone was responsible for Kurt's death AND that he committed suicide. I don't believe either of them. He was killed, obviously... but this "suicide job" has too many eerie similarities with other more obvious CIA "suicide jobs", such as Phil Schneider, James Forrestal, etc. Researched supposed CIA hits often show that the perpetrators often seem to have such an arrogance that they can get away with it because it's their job and they have immunity as long as they can get in and out without being caught, that they often overlook details. An example would be the Phil Schneider case. He was found to have been suffocated to death with medical tubing... but he did that to himself. James Forrestal had jumped to his death from the balcony of the hospital he had been committed to, yet somehow the door to the balcony had been locked from the inside... amazing mental powers James must have had, and amazing he would use them at such inappropriate and pointless times. It seems that drugged out crazed people hiring hitmen would be a little more paranoid, and the hitmen themselves would be quite a bit more thorough in making it seem like an open and shut suicide case. If I had been a professional hitman being paid an entire year's salary to kill someone and make it look like a suicide, I would've made damn sure there were no questionable loose ends. Now, in Kurt's case, there was a couple of BIG problems. Had he used the shotgun to kill himself, his entire head would have been mangled beyond recognition, but the person who photographed his body and his photo ID said that he was easily recognizable. The shotgun was found laying on his chest, as if just being set there gently. Remember, the gun was FIRED, and anyone who's shot a shotgun knows that the recoil is a bit of a jerker. That gun would at most be only partially propped upon his body...
because it's most likely that the recoil would've made the gun bounce and land slightly askew of where it was fired... not laid neatly on top of the body. There was a tidiness about the whole crime scene. No clear figerprints. A nice tidy heroin kit, a nice convenient suicide note.... actually two notes, one which has never been made public.... possibly because it may have been addressed to a specific family member, but also possibly due to it being too ridiculous to claim as evidence without someone seriously questioning it... like the supposed miraculous superman passport which was found and later retracted in connection with the 9/11 "attacks". I know the minds of drug addicts and desperate or sneaky people. They would think that leaving a room TOO tidy would be suspicious, so they would throw things around, make a mess, leave the heroin equipment sloppily everywhere. Drug addicts are desperate, not idiots. Another highly suspect thing that I do not believe a crazed widow of a FAMOUS RICH ROCK STAR could get away with doing is bribing the King County Police Department to do such shoddy investigative work. Anybody else, and they do a full investigation, combing each little facet of the crime scene for possible evidence of foul play. As you can see with the Phil Specter case, not even fame and fortune can get you off the hook. Courtney Love being the next to nobody besides "Kurt's Wife" that she was, should've been questioned thoroughly once the police noticed the lack of figerprints and the inconsistencies in the handwriting and the severely lethal heroine dosage coupled with the tidiness of everything... but no, they went in with a preconceived notion and it was pretty much open and shut. To this day, the KCPD refuses to open the case back up, despite the overwhelming evidence of foul play. Any regular joe comes in and has new information about a suicide case of an affluent suburban white guy, and they give the guy their undivided attention. I don't think Courtney was in any position of fame at that time to have any swaying power over a whole police jurisdiction. I'm not saying she was completely innocent, either. I think she was planted in Kurt's life as a psychological component to whoever's plan this was. Greg Sage, lead singer of perhaps Kurt's (and definitely mine) favorite band The Wipers did an interview a while back where he talked about the record companies and their shady behavior, along with his slight suspicion about Kurt's death. It seems to me Greg was indirectly implying that he thinks the Record Industry murdered Kurt because he was going to quit the business and go back to his indie roots. Hre's a link and a quote or two: Interview with Greg Sage of The Wipers (http://www.smokebox.net/archives/interviews/sage801.html) "Smokebox: You’ve mentioned Kurt Cobain in some of your past interviews, and he produced the "14 Songs for Greg Sage and the Wipers" CD; things didn’t end up too pleasantly for him, either. It seems that the big industry push in the nineties that had Nirvana as the next big thing, it seems that was just too much for him to handle. You knew him personally, didn’t you? Sage: Yeah. Smokebox: Do you think that was a big part of it, that the industry tried to make a big money machine out of his band? Sage: Well, I can’t really speculate other than what he said to me, which was, he wasn’t at all happy about it, success to him seemed like, I think, a brick wall. There was nowhere else to go but down, it was too artificial for him, and he wasn’t an artificial person at all. He was actually, two weeks after he died, he was supposed to come here and he wanted to record a bunch of Leadbelly covers. It was kind of in secret, because, I mean, people would definitely not allow him to do that. You also have to
wonder, he was a billion-dollar industry at the time, and if the industry had any idea at all of him wishing or wanting to get out, they couldn’t have allowed that, you know, in life, because if he was just to get out of the scene, he’d be totally forgotten, but if he was to die, he’d be immortalized. Smokebox: That’s quite a statement. Sage: Don’t get me wrong on that subject, I’m not trying to state that I thought that he was murdered due to his wish to get out of the Nevermind hit record mindset. It was just an odd set of circumstances up to that point. So, I always kind of wonder about that end of the business, because when you’re a billion-dollar industry, you’re not a free artist at all, you’re just under a state of Mafia control. I mean, I even had my life threatened, basically twice, from that end of that establishment, because of some people wanting to put out movies with, including some songs that I wrote. I was basically told, for my own good, to say no, and I would say to them, "well, so okay, I wrote a song, and if someone wanted to pay me a million dollars to use it, I should say no?" And they said, "Correct." And they’d just say, "it’s in your best interests." So, I can’t say my life was threatened, but the tone of it was very, very uh… Smokebox: …Ominous? Sage:…very, very ominous! And then when I’d say, "Well, are you guys planning on paying us royalties for the stuff of mine that they’ve covered, that you’ve released?" and they would hang up. So, you can formulate your own opinion off that, I’m not going to say, but that end of the business is really, as you said, ominous. There's more just below the quoted text that is interesting... It is of my opinion that the Corporations, the Secret Societies, The Elite, the "Illuminati", all the Covert Alphabet agencies of the world... are all one and the same, controlled by the same people... so be it the record industry that killed Kurt for profit, or be it the CIA that killed Kurt because he was an MK gone astray, I'm not sure... but I'm leaning towards a bit of both and a bit more. Let me explain a little bit more. First of all, Kurt had had a drug problem for a few years before he became famous. Krist Novoselic has said that Kurt first told him that he was doing heroin in 1989, and heroin isn't something you are proud of... so I'll bet he had been doing it for more like a year prior to that. My friend Jason, a very talented guy not so dissimilar to Kurt Cobain which is why this is all the more personal, is also a heroin addict. I haven't talked to him in about a year, but the last time I talked to him, he had been having trouble finding a place to live and trouble holding a job...which Kurt also had many problems with... and every few months or so, he volunteers to go to Missouri to be part of some in his very own words government "MKULTRA experiments". In return, they give him a 2 month free room and board, 3 doses of morphine and 10 cigarettes a day, and around 3000 bucks. For a down and out drugged up musician, that's like heaven. He didn't tell me where in Missouri, but all I say is that it is probably a government lab facility and it is probably restricted access. Possibly near St. Louis, but this is all just a guess. He didn't tell me too many details. If he did, I'd probably be smart not to blab too much about it. I've started thinking about this a lot lately because I have had all these dreams with Kurt Cobain in it, and I feel like I'm in a position to better understand what has happened because I've been pretty involved in the indie scene these past few years. It's a volatile scene as of lat... many bands breaking
up. Many people going off the deep end with drugs and mental problems, and then I think about what my friend Jason and a couple others have told me about their own personal experiences with MKULTRA, and it just makes me wanna do something. It makes me wanna investigate these things more, but I'm afraid to because I am not immune to all of this either. I'm a musician in the scene and I have experienced just lots of bad combined with weird # in rapid succession... and each thing that happens, I find myself waking up to a more and more alien and sinister and unnatural world system of control which leaves absolutely no stone unturned... I know enough to know that everything we think we know is a lie, and that every single individual subversive to the system has the power to change the world if they can wake up enough... and that's enough to question this and everything else thoroughly. We need to look back at every single thing that has ever happened in our history and rethink it. Kurt Cobain is like my brother I never knew, and sometimes I feel like I'm literally channeling his essence when songs come out of me... So.... I get really emotional when talking about Kurt. He's too much like family to me, which is strange to most people. He indirectly taught me to question preconceived notions. The Kurt Cobain murder thing was the first conspiracy I ever discovered. I rented the Kurt and Courtney documentary in like '97 when I was like 11 and I was SHOCKED! How could something like that be ignored? My first exposure to the subversive influence of mass media. Even that documentary in the end tries to dismiss the murder claims, but they are undeniable. Someone is killing and controlling our artists, either directly or indirectly. I've experienced some scary stuff myself, and I'm a nobody. I've become kind of a recluse this past year. It hasn't been a great year for me and the musician lifestyle. I'm hanging in there, I guess. Dulling the pain is too temporary for me. Feeling the pain is pushing me to actually do something. Unfortunately, my car is busted, my bank account is dry, and my bike has a flat tire. I'm currently living in my mom's basement surviving off food scraps, and I honestly cannot keep a job without feeling like there's just something horribly wrong with the whole concept and saying "# it!" after about 3 months. 9 months is my world record for longest job ever held. There's just something about it, man. I am not a slacker at work. I just think that something is very screwed up about the whole system, and this goes back all the way to the feeling I had all through school... When the great artists of our time are dying off and the artist within you is faced with either submitting to the one choice system or becoming a derelict or something... it's just very mentally disturbing. Looking around, and instead of seeing compassion, you're met with hateful resentment and apathy because you aren't submitting to the one choice that everyone else has submitted to... I wouldn't blame Kurt for having gotten into something way too big for him to control. The initial cushiness that being on a major label and being a big time rock star offers seems like a sweet release from the constant mental struggle that being a tortured nobody constantly forced to conform to a zombified glorified slave state. He didn't realize what he was getting into until it was too late. When you're up that high, the problems of the world are much more visible. I wouldn't be surprised if many celebs accidentally stumble upon shocking truths. Cobain appeared on the cover of the gay magazine 'The Advocate' http://homepage.mac.com/m6hart/GarageSaleImages/GarageSale_1234230392_302.jpg The Dark Side of Kurt Cobain: Nirvana's Frontman Shoots From the Hip (Cover-story). The Advocate, February 9, 1992 excerpt from the interview: AD: Because people thought you were gay and you had gay friends, did you ever wonder if you might
be gay? KC: Yeah, absolutely. See I’ve always wanted male friends that I could be real intimate with and talk about important things with and be as affectionate with that person as I would be with a girl. Throughout my life, I’ve always been really close with girls and made friends with girls. And I’ve always been a really sickly, feminine person anyhow, so I thought I was gay for a while because I didn’t find any of the girls in my high school attractive at all. They had really awful haircuts and fucked-up attitudes. So I thought I would try to be gay for a while, but I’m just more sexually attracted to women. But I’m really glad that I found a few gay friends, because it toally saved me from becoming a monk or something. I mean, I’m definitely gay in spirit, and I probably could be bisexual. But I’m married, and I’m more attracted to Courtney than I ever have been toward a person, so there’s no point in trying to sow my oats at this point. [Laughs] If I wouldn’t have found Courtney, I probably would have carried on with a bisexual lifestyle. But I just find her totally attractive in all ways. AD: She has been described as a fag hagKC: Oh, she is. That was all she did for about five or six years of her life-hang out in gay clubs. She learned everything about perfume and fashion from her friends. Kurt Cobain met Courtney Love at Club Satyricon in Portland Satyricon is an ancient Roman love story about the gay life of a sixteen year old boy during the reign of Nero. It was made into a film by Federico Fellini in 1969 http://www.junginla.org/pubprograms/SATYRICON.jpg boy-toy Gitone (Max Born, left) and lover Ascilto (Hiram Keller) http://www.theamericanmag.com/uploaded_images/galleryitem_7_4kvFDibIaS.jpg Director Federico Fellini before the 1969 release of "Satyricon" (Fellini's Satyricon). He was inspired by Petronius' bawdy and satirical stories set during Nero's reign. Plot summary for Fellini - Satyricon (1969) More at IMDbPro In first century Rome, two friends, Encolpio and Ascilto, argue about ownership of the boy Gitone, divide their belongings and split up. The boy, allowed to choose who he goes with, chooses Ascilto. Only a sudden earthquake saves Encolpio from suicide. We follow Encolpio through a series of adventures, where he is eventually reunited with Ascilto, and which culminates in them helping a man kidnap a hermaphrodite demi-god from a temple. The god dies, and as punishment Encolpio becomes impotent. We then follow them in search of a cure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R75FsZxIB1A
I've torn between giving this five stars for the quality of the production and none for the perversion of it all. Set in Nero's Rome, it's more of a two-hour plus dream sequence than a film with any kind of story. Fellini fills this film with every type of surreal image and kind of debauchery he could get away with in 1969 -- pedophilia and buggery, S&M and cannibalism, to name a few. And of course it has all the colorful freakish folks Fellini is famous for. Not for the faint of heart or morally pure. But if you're looking for something a little out of the ordinary, this might be the film for you. Themes of homosexual behavior throughout, and some graphically violent images, but no worse than most of the horror films released in the last 20 years. considering that Rome was a slave society, complete with homosexual boy- servant slaves, interesting that two child mk slaves Cobain and Love eventually met at 'Club Satyr': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROHjdYt80k4&feature=related http://photos18.flickr.com/23115023_f3fc5dd07a.jpg Sally Field http://gracemagazine.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/kurtcobain250.jpg Kurt Cobain Hows this for a coincidence? The top photo is of Sally Field, who starred as main character 'Sybil', in the television movie Sybil, about a little girl whose mind is shattered into multiple personalities through horrific sexual, physical, and psychological abuse. Then twenty years later the identical photo is taken of Kurt Cobain, who thousands now suspect of having been sexually abused/monarch programmed into MPD/DID. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/Sybil_30thAnniversarySE.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/kurt_cobain_4ever/kurt_cobain_102.jpg Cobain wrote a song called 'Floyd the Barber' , which was based on the fantasy of being tied up, tortured , and sexually abused by cast members of the Andy Griffith Show: lyrics to Kurt Cobain's song 'Floyd the Barber' Bell on door clangs, come on in Floyd observes my hairy chin Sit down chair don't be afraid Steamed hot towel on my face I was Shaved I was Shaved
I was Shaved Barney ties me to the chair I can't see I'm really scared Floyd breathes hard I hear a zip Pee pee pressed against my lips I was Shamed I was Shamed I was Shamed I sense others in the room Opey, Aunt Bee, I presume They take turns and cut me up I died smothered in Aunt Bee's muff. I was Shaved I was Shaved I was Shaved
the plot line of the Andy Griffith show mirrors Cobain's life pretty closely. One of the main characters, Opie, is a six year old blonde boy in a small town who lives with his father ( no mother ) and assorted caregivers (including an Aunt, just as Cobain lived with his aunt at times, who encouraged his guitar playing) : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/TAGS_title.JPG The Andy Griffith Show is an American sitcom first televised by CBS between October 3, 1960 and April 1, 1968. Andy Griffith portrays a widowed sheriff in a fictional small community of Mayberry, North Carolina. His life is complicated by an inept but well-meaning deputy, Barney Fife (Don Knotts), a spinster aunt and housekeeper, Aunt Bee (Frances Bavier), and a young son, Opie (Ron Howard). Local ne'er-do-wells, bumbling pals, and temperamental girlfriends further complicate his life. also interesting is that Cobain's father eventually became a highway patrol officer. http://www.geocities.com/andysparkway/opie_aunt_bea_sing.jpg Opie and Aunt Bee http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs9/floyd.jpg Floyd the Barber The Andy Griffith Show: Floyd, the Gay Deceiver Season 3 Episode 9 (1962) Plot Synopsis by Hal Erickson
Barber Floyd panics when his female pen-pal Madeline Grayson (Doris Dowling) arrives in town. It seems that Floyd has been claiming that he is a wealthy financier, and hasn't the nerve to tell Madeline the truth ("Oh, I'm a cad, Andy. Uh-uh-uh -I'm a cad!") After agreeing to help Floyd out, Andy discovers that "The Widow Grayson" isn't all she has claimed to be either. First telecast on November 26, 1962, "Floyd, the Gay Deceiver" was written by Aaron Ruben. When Monarch slaves watch television, the shows they watch can relate to their programming in the following ways. 1. First, many of the shows have code words or programming scenarios which are deliberately in the shows to control the slaves: such as Star Wars, Star Trek, The Wizard of Oz, the Love Boat, Fantasy Island, I Dream of Jeanie (Delta Genie in the bottle programming, and "YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND" type trigger), The Little Princess, the Miss Universe Contest 1995, Duck Tails (created to control child slaves, with deliberate triggers such as "earthquack"), Bobby’s World cartoon, Steven Spielberg’s Tiny Toons, My Fair Lady (used in several of the slave finishing schools), ET (for alien programming), etc. 2. Some of the shows which are supposedly pure fiction show elements of actual Illuminati ceremonies, Illuminati history, drug running methods, etc., such Bell, Book & Candle, Burn Witch Burn, Curse of The Voodoo, Equinox, Manos, The Hands of Fate, Witchcraft ‘70, as Spirits of the Living Dead, Frankenstein, Night of the Living Dead, Bewitched (with actual witches as actors). Raising Cain shows torture and MPD. Hellraiser 3 depicts "gatekeepers." 3. Some of the shows portray the Monarch total mind-control program (!): Telephon, The Manchurian Candidate, Videodrome, Labyrinth, Trancer II, The Attack of the Robots, Dr. Goldfoot & the Bikini Machine, Attack of the Puppet People, The War of the Zombies, Colossus-The Forbin Project, and The Point of No Return starring Jane Fonda’s Bridgett, who is connected to the OTO. (By the way, Monarch mind-controlled slaves have been shown the movie "Telephon" to emphasize to them that their minds are controlled by their handlers, and for them not to forget it.) 4. Many of the movies and shows use Monarch slaves as actors & performers: such as Rosanne Barr, Bette Mittler, Marilyn Monroe, Loretta Lynn, Crystal Gayle and possibly Wayne Newton (a child singing protege, who never wrote a check for himself in his life). They also use lots of slave handlers such as Frank Sinatra, Peter Lawford, & Bob Hope. And occasionally they use programmers such as Anton LaVey, Jerry Lee Lewis. The Illuminati Formula 12. External Controls http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/villagestreetwear_2046_308170652 http://photos18.flickr.com/23115023_f3fc5dd07a.jpg http://gracemagazine.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/kurtcobain250.jpg Sally Field Kurt Cobain
Hows this for a coincidence? The top photo is of Sally Field, who starred as main character 'Sybil', in the television movie Sybil, about a little girl whose mind is shattered into multiple personalities through horrific sexual, physical, and psychological abuse. Then twenty years later the identical photo is taken of Kurt Cobain, who thousands now suspect of having been sexually abused/monarch programmed into MPD/DID.
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/Sybil_30thAnniversarySE.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w162/kurt_cobain_4ever/kurt_cobain_102.jpg reminds me of this a bit too. http://blogs.redding.com/mbeauchamp/602pxthe_beatles__butcher_cover.jpg A legacy of poetic provocation By REGINA HACKETT SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ART CRITIC Kurt Cobain thought Steven Jesse Bernstein's suicide was romantic. Sharing this view with Larry Reid brought the conversation to an unpleasant close. "I told him he was talking horseshit," said Reid, curator of "More Noise Please: A Portrait of Steven Jesse Bernstein," opening tonight at Experience Music Project. Master of ceremonies on Seattle's counterculture arts scene for decades, Reid could sell wool to sheep but cut no ice with Cobain, who followed Bernstein's example a few years later. Neither did Reid get far with Oliver Stone, who used a track from Bernstein's posthumously produced spoken word "Prison" album (Sub Pop) for the opening of "Natural Born Killers." "Oliver Stone told me he didn't believe that Jesse had killed himself," said Reid. "I said I was sure he had, but Stone kept talking about the research he'd done, that less than 1 percent of suicides slit their throats. It's just not a way people choose to go." Being in the minority was a way of life for Bernstein. Dead at 40, he would have made a great old man. Poet, performance artist, playwright, actor and friend of what he called the expendable people, he was already practicing to be an elder of the tribe when he took a pass on the rest of his life one morning in Neah Bay, Oct. 22, 1991, after calling his closest friends to say goodbye. That must have taken days. If nobody but Bernstein's closest friends show up at EMP, they'll fill the room. Known in London as the godfather of grunge, he didn't live to hear the term and undoubtedly would have disdained it. He not only liked the naked elegance of the music, he helped shape it, opening for the bands (Nirvana, Big Black, Soundgarden, U-Men, the Crows) who went on to the big time, and working the crowd into a ecstatic heat. He liked to cause a stir. When in the mood, he added to his legend. When not, he complained about it. "All the stories about me are true," he said. Here's a few that plausible witnesses have verified.
He read poems from a stage with a live rodent in his mouth, its tail twitching as baseline punctuation. He tried to cut his heart out in order to hold it in his hands and calm it down. He once urinated on a heckler and tended to throw things: beer bottles, manuscripts, drumsticks, his wallet, a sandwich. He never romanticized the mental illness that plagued him. He was the first punk poetry slammer. He was irresistible to women. This is also true: He wrote best when sober, which he was for most of the 1980s. He hated being poor and tried to find a regular job with a salary, medical benefits and maybe even a small pension. Nobody would hire him. In his body and with his own singular gestures, he was his own art form. Photographing him gave several of Seattle's best photographers their start, including Alice Wheeler, Arthur S. Aubry, Louie Raffloer and Charles Peterson. Artists drew him or designed posters for him, many of whom are now far better known than he is, including Art Chantry, Lynda Barry and Charles Burns. Small with bow legs and tattoos running up his arms, he had a gravelly voice that become slurred when he neglected to put in his teeth for his late-night phone calls to many willing and semi-willing listeners. They rarely needed to say anything. On the phone he said it all, from the history of poetics and the crimes of Henry Kissinger to the need for cheaper breakfast cereal and the search for a sustaining form of God's grace. The dispossessed he accepted unconditionally until he lost his temper and told them to beat it. The comfortable he liked to kid. He loved William Burroughs, and that love may have been the younger poet's undoing. Bernstein was a great poet and a lousy novelist. The poems he tossed off; the novels in a Burroughs vein took up much of his time. Like most of the best American poets, Bernstein was a great cataloger. Between the space of two commas, he could move from gobs of spit to the Milky Way. Maybe he'll be remembered for his lines, not whole poems, but lines that linger in the mind forever. Here's Bernstein on the great outdoors: "I put my mouth to the road and suck." On eating: "I sneak a cream of wheat sandwich and stale sweet roll, wash it down with juice squeezed from a leather belt." On drinking: "There are rooms full of spooks drunk on dish soap spiked with whatever was left on the tables when the bar closed." On evolution: "Life originally came from miles of dead parties, decomposing cardboard, sequins, noise makers and sadness."
On midlife crisis: "Men who look confused, like fish getting clubbed on the pier." On autobiography: "The following is pure fiction. I've been handsome and popular all my life." ---------------------------------------------------He also appeared on a film directed by Wegenka : Birthright The story of a rebel with a cause, this dystopic art film takes place in a future where humans have become drones in a decaying post-industrial hive. BIRTHRIGHT, the story of a rebel with a cause, takes place in a future where humans have become drones in a decaying,post- industrial hive. Natural childbirth is forbidden. Childhood is sacrificed to regimented training,education, and socialization, completed by the age of six. Only then may a child be assigned a “mother,” who looks after his/her practical needs and no more. Thirty-two year-old Sarah Jacobs does not fit into this society. She’s no flag-waving revolutionary, but her very nature keeps her out of step with what passes for life in this dehumanized environment. She is haunted by home-movie memories of her childhood before such activities were banned. She is fertile, while the norm is barrenness, and she dreams of bearing and raising a baby naturally. Sarah soon comes under the cold scrutiny of Dr. Steiner (Steven Jesse Bernstein), more a machine than a man, who is Head of the Asylum where social deviants are "reconditioned." Kurt Cobain vanished from a drug rehab, the Exodus Recovery Center in Marina Del Ray, California, days before he died. He is said to have jumped over a courtyard wall, because no one saw him leave but what is interesting is that Exodus Recovery Center was a small 20-bed ward of a larger hospital, then known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital. http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/782008.jpg? v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABB499B05530796D67A 284831B75F48EF45 What is interesting is that this hospital was part of a complex of two hospitals in west Los Angeles both owned by the masonic order Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet . who founded Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital and later purchased Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital. (seems to me that these operatives (CIA?) regularly fund/buy out existing Catholic charities to acquire both the reputable image and charitable tax status of these organizations) http://www.sau.edu/inauguration/images/CSJLOGO.gif Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet logo Centinela Freeman Health System operates three hospitals in located in the West Los Angeles area of California in the United States, collectively known as the Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center: * Centinela Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Centinela Hospital * Memorial Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital * Marina Campus in Marina del Rey; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital
http://www3.cancer.gov/rrp/CDRP/images/dfmh.jpg http://telesynergy.nih.gov/images/cfreeman-header.gif Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center, Marina Campus is a hospital in Marina del Rey, California, USA. The hospital was formerly known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital after it was purchased in 1980 by the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet, who founded Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital.[2 The hospital's rehab center has treated celebrities such as Jean-Claude Van Damme, Matthew Perry, Kurt Cobain, and Dennis Wilson. Now this entity is even larger , with three hospitals in the same region: * Centinela Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Centinela Hospital * Memorial Campus in Inglewood; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital * Marina Campus in Marina del Rey; formerly known as Daniel Freeman Marina Hospital I had read that the rehab ward that Cobain was in was part of a larger hospital that was once called Marina Mercy Hospital, later its name changed Danial Freeman Marina Hospital, and that this hospital also contained a locked down psychiatric ward. I did a search on Marina Mercy Hospital and found this at a site mindfreedom.org: http://www.mindfreedom.org/personal-stories/ewbankrobertdrake/ Brief History: I had been having a series of weird experiences that caused me to want to leave Seattle when the King Tut exhibition came into town in the summer of 1978. I was not in too great a shape emotionally but I wasn’t psychotic or any of the categories of "mental illness" that they label people. At that time, I decided to go hitchhiking and to work on writing my first book. I put a bunch of stuff in a bag and started out from Olympia Washington after getting a ride to there from a person I was actually trying to get away from or out of my life. I was 23 years old, and this was around the first week in July. I continued south on Interstate 5, getting a ride through Portland from a guy that said he just beat up one of the city council members in Camas, Washington and threw all of his furniture in the river and was going to drive to Reno to become a card dealer in a casino. He was driving at about four zillion miles an hour and was all over the road. He was drunk out of his mind. I was scared shitless so I offered to drive. So I drove him almost to the Oregon border. Oddly, when he woke up near the California border, he had remarkably sobered, he turned the car around and went right back to Camas as if he had just gone that far to drop me off. I camped at a rest area and the next day, on the way out to the coast highway through Grants Pass, the rides began to get even more odd and people's behavior even more inexplicably unsettling.
Further down the coast, as I was coming into San Francisco, I noticed a very large digital business clock near the place in the highway where you go over the bridge into San Francisco coming down the coast highway out of Sausalito. It had the wrong time on it. I’ll never forget it, it read 3:05 in the morning. It was 11:45 in the evening. In Berkeley, two sleazy persons picked me up – one was named Bill and the other George. They said that they were 'film producers' - I had no clue what they were. I proceeded to get tricked into…what happened was I was basically homosexually assaulted in a hotel room [Room 117] at the Oakland Marriott Hotel. I left there upset, though seemed to have physically survived it, however it was going to have some telling emotional effects a little later in my journey. Anyway, I ended up the next morning near the freeway in Oakland getting picked up by a scientologist on his way to Los Angeles. He kept stopping to take pictures along the way and the van we were in overheated just before we reached Grapevine Pass north of LA. I tried to stay awake on this drive and late that day we got into LA to his house that he shared with other scientologists. He said that he dealt in 'Royal' copiers. The scientologists seemed odd and futuristic, talking about the nature of reality as 'postulated' according to plans that their sect had made. All of it made me uncomfortable and uneasy, and, try as I might, after I arrived at the place in west LA, I was unable to stay awake until 3:05. There was something important about that time, somehow I felt that I had to stay alert, like things would happen then at night. When I woke up, I left the scientologists house, and began to walk around LA, I began to see things that were just like a few of the premonitions that I had had in Seattle before I left. The premonitions were progressively more frequent and more inexplicably real, happening in a number of different places in LA, and things continued to get weirder and worse and I was still afraid to fall asleep and stayed up drinking coffee and wandering about for a day and one half. I became exhausted and felt more and more anxious. I had so many things that happened that I did not believe possible, and I had seen intimations of much of it before in my premonitions, and what it was became more vivid, more impossible, and more extreme. I saw people that I had dreamed about, places and events that I had dreamed about, and what finally happened is the course of events of the dreams broke. Actually, I broke them on purpose and also realised that what had happened in Oakland had broken them. What happened to me in LA was in so vivid and so unlikely and when the those events really started happening, I could not deal with it - and after what had happened, I purposely changed parts of the courses of many of those premontory events. Eventually, though, I could not keep it together. I ended up in a cab headed to the Los Angeles airport - LAX - to try to get out of LA. And I was despondent after all that had happened to me. I thought I had really screwed something up and that what I had failed to do had put people in jeopardy. I felt too like I had let myself down. I got to the airport I was in tears, unable to stop crying, and extremely emotionally damaged. I tried to phone my parents from the airport and could not get the phone to make a long distance call or collect call, I tried several phones and they were all broken this way. It was terrifying, as if I was stuck there and would never get out. No one would believe it, except none of the phones would dial out. So I panicked. I ended up calling the operator and saying I was in intense emotional distress and I needed either a priest or a doctor. So they sent airport security, who were a real bunch of goons, and otherwise, were horrific enough to be worse than the broken nightmare that I had just gone through. They locked me in a cell and tried to find out who my parents were, I think that they succeeded in reaching them. I ended up going from there in a police car and then to Marina Mercy Hospital, which is now called
Daniel Freeman Hospital. I was in holding area on a gurney and a male nurse with a the word 'Royal' embroidered on his hospital outfit came in. He went, 'You know something, Johnny Rotten here [my hair was short, and was cut punk style], ain’t got nothin’ on Bill and George.' The reference to what had happened in Oakland was unmistakeable, except that I was in Los Angeles - I had no way in any rational scheme that I knew of to explain this. I became more terrified at what had been done to me, and more fearful that it was not just a random occurence. I was also given some sort of injection there, though oddly it was not anything that was sedating - as I stayed awake a while longer. I was transported to LA County hospital, given full body X-rays [for a behavioral issue no less] and was sent by armed guard to Clinic 3 [mentioned in Joseph Wambaugh's book 'The Choir Boys' on page 240 paper edition] in the morning to supposedly be matrixed out to another outside mental health facility, mostly I waited all that day and my father, alerted by a call from the police at the airport, flew down to pick me up from there. While being questioned by one of the staff, I remember seeking the floor crying because I didn’t want to see anybody hurt. It was like a zoo. It was like a weird, toxic, horrible, polluted, blown-out nuclear landscape that you couldn’t wake up from. The staff working there were powerful, frightening and unreal, souless, angry, and consumptive - right on top of everyone who had the misfortune to be picked up and get locked up there. I was extremely scared but I was still starkly aware of what was going on around me. While in the triage room, I remember that I was close to physically trying to prevent them from putting others in restraints there, considering trying to throw myself on them to keep them from gagging a man and putting him in four-point restraints in front of me for simply trying to pull aside a chair near one of them so he could sit in it - it was just that it was not where he was supposed to sit - and for the annoyance they locked him in restraints in front of me as a demonstration. My dad finally came and took me out of there via the same Los Angeles airport I was picked up at. Camera flashes were going off everywhere when I was in the airport - even my father thought it especially odd. This was so startling, terrifying, and so unreal, that I did not say a word about it to anyone for 5 years I was that scared of what happened as well as escaping the clutches and confrontations of those who staffed Clinic 3 - I felt like I would never get away from that experience or be far enough out of the reach of those people. I had started as pretty much simple and reasonably normal suburban youth, and after some weird dreams and an encounter with the cops and the nightmare that was happening in that psych ward, I was reduced to being a labelled and incapacitated individual. I was released from the clinic and returned to Seattle under the condition that I see a psychiatrist. When I got back, my parents put me on the phone with the one that they knew - and, after seeing what I saw, I refused to go to an appointment the next morning at 7. He angrily insisted that I would be there - and the final words he said in the conversation phone was 'I hope you can sleep tonight' in a very annoyed and warning tone. The next morning I woke with my parents both in my room holding me down in my bed as I had been screaming and shaking in my sleep. It was so horrible a nightmare that I couldn't even remember what it was. Out of abject fear, I went to the appointment. Immediately, he insisted on my taking psychiatric drugs. My experience with psych. drugs is that they are the most depleting, bleak thing imaginable. It is like somebody has carved out your insides and there is the most uncomfortable feeling. It is unimaginable. People who have not taken psych. drugs can’t even imagine the torture of it. It basically just vacuums out your soul and everything. You can’t feel anything. You can’t feel your emotions, you can’t feel anything around you, and you can’t sit still. And everything is meaningless. It is an unimaginable discomfort, helplessness, and is anything except tranquilizing. In the two years after this, I slowly assimilated what had happened to me. I tried to for a long time to get a job so I could get out of Seattle and I kept getting the door slammed in my face, again, again,
again. There was a little mini-mart owned by an Asian guy up near my father’s house. I went in as there was a help wanted sign and the guy smiled at me and hands me an application. I go home and fill it out, and immediately walk right back up there. So the guy just looks at me and laughs. He just wads the thing up and throws it in the garbage, right in front of me. There wasn’t anything funny or unusual on my application. It was filled out completely, straightforward, and to the point. I thought, wow, I wasn’t even prepared for that. I kept thinking this while cooking Asian food later that night. In frustration I broke the handle off a flimsy dinner knife and tossed it across my body, it then bounced off a kitchen counter and into the dining room and it shattered one layer of a two layer safety glass - it did not hit the window hard, it hit it just right in the corner to shatter the one pain of the glass door. The whole thing was safety glass so basically it looked terrible. Anyway, my father got home and said 'You can’t live here anymore unless you get into treatment. “This is the last straw.” He did not even know what the system had done to me because I never told anyone. With no money in winter I decided to try to cooperate. So to 'get into treatment' I went up to a community mental health clinic and talked to a mental health professional. He said that I could not 'get into treatment' without an evaluation. He said that I needed to go to Harborview Hospital's emergency room to get evaluated so I could go back to the community mental health center the next day. So not wishing to get kicked out of my fathers house [I was unemployed, broke, and it was winter] I went to Harborview Hospital to get "evaluated." Little did I know that my father had phoned ahead and my mother had gone into fill out a statement about something I had said. She had taken a conversation we had out of context. I had been talking about the world, and people who are depressed [which I -wasn't- at the time] and otherwise how bad it can get. I said '...when life gets so bad that you can’t even take pleasure in a glass of water – that was the example I used - and then said, 'it’s probably time to get a gun' She had taken that conversation and told the mental health professional that I had talked about getting a gun, which was part of the criteria they needed to say I was dangerous to myself or others. She filled out an affidavit and my father had filled out an affidavit about how I had broken his plate glass window. That, combined with a disdainful mental health professional named Tom Anderson assuming from this that I was dangerous, was enough to commit me. When I got there, they said well 'we have a small problem. 'Unless you’re strapped to a gurney - like it is an emergency situation - our insurance will not allow us to treat you.' So they strapped me to the gurney and I said okay, what now? They said I was going to Western State Hospital in Tacoma on the hold because Harborview had no room, 'You’ve been put on a 72 hour hold,' which actually ended up being five days because of the weekend. They just basically locked me up and forced me to take huge doses of Haldol for 5 days. I was pretty angry to be tricked like this at first and then was despondent when the Haldol took effect, it was so unjust to be lied to and about, just so that they could do this. So I came back to the courtroom in one of Harborview'in Seattle for my commitment hearing and I was helpless, homeless, and alone. It was the middle of winter, I had no place to go. I guess that I didn’t need to recover because I wasn’t mentally ill beyond dealing with an irrational and oppressive system and society that could not account for or leave alone my experiences. I don’t know how else to characterize it. I wasn’t any different than I am now. I wasn’t a different person, no less rational, no more rational. I spent years out of the system, until I moved to Eugene - and got on SSI because I couldn't finish college and could not find work and my counselor at the university told me that since I had a diagnosis I might as well try to get on disability. My memory for detailed texts was not good enough to memorize all of the textual stuff that I needed to know to get good grades. When I went in
for my SSI interview for it I just told them what actually occurred, which was enough to get it approved. So now I am technically on disability, so technically I guess that I never recovered. I don’t consider myself to be a survivor because I don't think that my sense of humanness actually survived the experience of the homosexual trauma, or survived the mind rending experience of what happened on the streets of L.A. What happened also, basically, ruined my ability to experience aesthetic things and musical things that were going on in my existence just before this happened, and that I will never get back, nor the friends that I had before I became a freak of nature and pharmacology. So where do I go from here? Taco Bell, Dairy Queen, Taco Time? Anyway, that’s most of it. I should say since this is being recorded and archived and stuff that I’d appreciate it if once you transcribed it if you’d get rid of the tape… Interviewer's Comments: Along with being quite a golfer, Drake has quite a story - and he shared it with me in an engaging and thoughtful way. He is a colorful leader of the consumer/survivor movement. Year told: 2001 I suspect that there may be more to Cobain's disappearance from this place. http://dhs.wisconsin.gov/mh_winnebago/images/History/Historical.jpg Northern Wisconsin Hospital for the Insane Dr. Walter Kempster Acting Assistant Surgeon of the United States Army 1864-5; mental health pioneer Dr. Kempster was noted after the war for his research into the causes of mental illness; he was one of the first to hypothezise a biological basis for mental illness. He was the first researcher in the US to study the microscopic pathology of the brain and document it with photomicrographs. http://www.10thnycavalry.org/images/avery.jpg Dr. Walter Kempster From: 1881 History of Northern Wisconsin Illustrated Bios transcribed by Kay R. & History by Jan Cortez Page 1151 - Dr. Walter KEMPSTER, Superintendent of Northern Hospital for the Insane; was born in Syracuse, Onondaga Co., N.Y., May 25, 1841; attended common graded and high schools in Onondaga Co.; then spent about five years traveling with a tutor in the United States and Europe; returned to New York State about 1857, and then entered upon the study of his profession at the Long Island Medical College, from which he graduated June 30, 1864. He went into the Civil War as private, in Co. H., of the 12th New York Infantry; became Hospital Steward of the 10th New York Cavalry; was detached and placed on duty at the United States General Hospital at Patterson Park, Baltimore, Md.; made First Lieutenant of Co. D, in 10th New York Cavalry; participated in various battles of the Potomac, including that of Gettysburg; and, in 1864-65, served as Acting Assistant Surgeon of the United States Army; was in the service in all from 1861 to 1864, with the exception of six months, during which he absented himself to take his degree in medicine.
http://www.upstate.edu/library/history/local/images/idiots.jpg In 1866, he was the Assistant Superintendent of the New York Asylum for Idiots, at Syracuse, N.Y., from 1867 to 1873, Assistant Physician of the New York State Insane Asylum, and, from 1873 to present time, Superintendent of the Northern Hospital for the Insane at Oshkosh, Wisconsin. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~byram/asylums/buffalo_ny/nyshosp2.jpg He was married, in Baltimore, Jan. 1, 1863, to Miss Mirriem P. BAYNES, eldest daughter of Thomas BAYNES, of Baltimore. They have three children living - Sarah W., Agnes, Mary. For a number of years, Dr. Kempster has been engaged in the study of the microscopic pathology of the brain, on which subject he has written several papers, beside taking a large number of photomicrographs of brain tissue, normal and abnormal, a work in which he was the first in this country to engage. He delivered a lecture in the fall of 1881 before the Chicago Biological Society. His most notable case in surgery is that of the incision of three inches of the tibia, with recovery, reported in the American Journal of Medical Science. His literary contributions to medicine consist of articles in the American Journal of Insane, of which he was for five years associate editor; in the transactions of the International Medical Congress of 1876, and also in the transactions of the Wisconsin State Medical Society, and the reports of Northern Wisconsin Hospital for the Insane. He is a member of the Winnebago County Medical Society, of which he has been President; of Wisconsin State Medical Society, of which he has been Vice President; of New York State Medical Society; of American Medical Association, of which he has been Chairman of the section on Physiological Medical Jurisprudence and Chemistry; of the Association of Superintendents of American Institutions for the Insane; of the United States Association for the Advancement of Sanitary Science, and of the Wisconsin State Historical Society. http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/dahmeryoungdog.jpg Boy Scout Jeffrey Dahmer with dog When Jeffrey thought his abandonment was over, his father came back on July 24, 1978, to tell him that he and Jeffrey’s mother were getting a divorce. Jeffrey took the divorce hard, as most children do. At this time Jeffery was eighteen so the court didn’t decide which parent he would live with. Lionel and Joyce were fighting over who would get custody of David. This enraged Jeffrey because once again he felt unwanted, like they didn’t care where he lived. To him he just saw it as being abandoned by his own parents. It ended up that Joyce got full custody of David and they moved to Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Jeffrey stayed in the same house in Bath Township and his father was nowhere to be found. A while later Lionel returned with a new girlfriend to live in the same house with Jeffrey. Shortly after, Jeffrey started college at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio. He stayed there only long enough to finish out the first quarter of his freshman year. On December 29, 1978, Jeffrey started a three-year hitch in the U.S. Army. Not even a year later Jeffrey completed his training as a medical specialist and was assigned post in Baumholder, Germany. About two years later, on March 26, 1981, he was discharged from the army in South Carolina because he was drinking so heavily and was always depressed. After that he somehow found his way to South Florida. In 1982 Jeffrey moved back West Allis, Wisconsin, to live with his grandmother. Things began to look better for a while. He had stopped drinking so heavily and was thinking that he would like to get married and maybe start a family. That little fantasy didn’t last very long. I.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_m47RlRiYoAg/ScDiQFCBbFI/AAAAAAAAB9w/QyoSyiTTqKE/s400/dah mer2.jpg Chapter 2 - Billy's Story http://www.survivingjeffreydahmer.org/billy.html http://www.survivingjeffreydahmer.org/images/header.jpg Surviving Jeffrey Dahmer Chapter 2 - Billy's Story http://www.survivingjeffreydahmer.org/images/billy.jpg Chapter 2.1 Life With Dahmer Print This Chapter This section details the eighteen months when Billy was assigned a room with Dahmer who then tortured and controlled him. Billy struggled every day to find a way to survive. When Jeffrey Dahmer was asked why he acted as he did, he replied that it was the only way he knew to feel close to someone. Dahmer wanted to have a secure and continuing relationship with his victim while at the same time being in complete control. For almost all of the victims, the only way to do that was to kill them; however, what if he had a situation previously in which he was able to completely control his victim and isolate him from everyone else? Perhaps he had that situation with Billy Capshaw and perhaps that is the reason he didn’t kill him. Billy is the seventh of eight children. His parents separated when he was a toddler. His older brother has had emotional problems since returning from service in Vietnam; he has a younger brother. Billy was his mother’s favorite and was pampered by his sisters. The family was poor, and he was made fun of in school because of his clothes. Because he wanted to help the family financially, particularly an older sister with a congenital heart condition, he enlisted in the Army in 1977 when he was barely seventeen years old. After training as a medic, he was sent to Germany and assigned a room with fellow medic Jeffrey Dahmer. At first, Dahmer seemed like a likeable person and had a certain amount of charisma, but within a few days Billy became frightened as Dahmer began his process of completely controlling Billy by various means. He physically beat him. When Billy complained to those in authority, he was told that he was a “pussy” and was not taken seriously. The severity of the physical abuse increased, and Dahmer used an iron bar, which was part of the apparatus for the bed, to hit Billy across the joints. This caused the most pain, particularly in his knuckles and shins. Somehow Dahmer arranged it so that Billy did not have regular assignments, and Dahmer controlled the only key to the room. When he left, he would lock Billy in the room. Dahmer also somehow arranged that his family’s mail or phone calls did not reach him. Billy was listed as AWOL at a time when he had not left the base. Both Billy and Dahmer were medics, and when Dahmer injured Billy, he went with Billy to the doctor and convinced them that he was taking care of him. He also convinced them that he was not the one who had injured him, even though Billy said otherwise. Billy said he got one doctor to believe him, but the doctor told him to report this to the same authorities who had
previously not listened to him. When Billy tried to escape by going out the window and down the fire escape, he found he had no place to go. He did spend some nights in a hotel room when he was getting his pay. When Billy came back, which he eventually had to because he had no place else to go, he was beaten severely. Somehow Dahmer made sure Billy didn’t get paid or pull duty assignments. Billy would have flown home AWOL, but being in the service, he needed a pass to board a plane. Billy learned to watch Dahmer’s moods to try to minimize the attacks, and this became a life-saving preoccupation. When Billy dissociated during an attack and his eyes glazed over, Dahmer would insist that he look at him and would not allow Billy to dissociate. Dahmer beat Billy harder when he screamed and cried, so he eventually learned not to do either. The result of this was that he had a feeling of being numb. There was another side to Dahmer; sometimes he said he loved Billy, petted him, and would also grab him in the crotch as though he were grabbing a woman. At times he was insistent in teaching Billy about medicine and anatomy, particularly the bones. Billy thinks that Dahmer drugged him. He remembers waking up and being tied with ropes and unable to get loose. On several occasions he was choked unconscious. Dahmer had anal intercourse with him while he was tied up. Billy felt ashamed and guilty about this, and for years he didn’t tell anyone. He had plans to kill Dahmer and make it look like an accident. Dahmer often drank until he passed out. Billy planned to hit him in the head with a piece of metal and say that he was drunk and had fallen out of bed. However, Billy doubted that he could get away with it, and he knew that if convicted, he would be in jail in Europe and never get to see his family again. He has since felt guilty that he didn’t kill Dahmer. When people hear of Billy’s story, they often ask, “How did he let this happen to him?” In searching the Web, Billy read about the Stockholm Syndrome and thought that it applied to him. The syndrome got its name because, in a hostage situation in Stockholm, at least two of the women had love feelings toward the hostage-takers and one wanted to marry her former abuser. Bonding to one’s captor (abuser) is a survival strategy for victims and has been observed in a variety of hostage-taking situations. The four situational factors that are precursors to the Stockholm Syndrome were present in Billy’s situation. They are 1) perceived threat to one’s physical or psychological survival and the belief that the captor would carry out the threat; 2) perceived small kindness from the captor to the captive, (Note: Letting the captive live is enough); 3) isolation from perspectives other than those of the captor; 4) perceived inability to escape. Applying the situational factors to Billy, I concluded the following: 1) Billy believed his survival depended on reading Dahmer’s moods and doing whatever he could to keep him from getting angry. He had tried every way that he knew to escape and was unsuccessful; 2) At times Dahmer did profess love for him and act as his teacher. 3) Billy was with Dahmer or alone. He was isolated from anybody else’s viewpoint or ideas; 4) After a while, Billy gave up hoping that he could escape or get anyone to help him. His total attention was directed to reading Dahmer’s moods. Billy said, “ I never showed up for formation. I never showed up for work assignments and yet I got promoted.” He said, “The crazy military was really screwed up. The Army had not recovered from Vietnam and most soldiers got drunk every night.” Except for Billy and Dahmer, everyone there had been to Nam.
Billy requested repeatedly to be transferred to another room. All his attempts to get help were either ignored or made fun of. He is particularly resentful of one person I will call Paul. Billy said, “Paul found it all amusing. I’m sure he knew everything—the black eyes, the injuries. He made poor decisions. He didn’t listen. When people don’t listen, I still get upset. I felt he went behind my back. Dahmer would go into his room and I would hear them laughing and stuff.” Billy said that Paul acted gay. He was effeminate, and sometimes Dahmer had effeminate mannerisms. Billy suspected that Paul was giving Dahmer blowjobs, but he said he had no evidence to support this. Billy said a soldier from another barracks started going to Paul’s room. Dahmer went to Paul’s door and knocked and got no answer; all night long he continued to knock on his door. Dahmer seemed very upset and increased the torture of Billy. Paul and Dahmer had a falling out, and didn’t talk to each other. Soon after that Billy was given an assignment in the field. He said, “When I came back that sorry SOB (Dahmer) was gone. I heard that they had to drag him out of there.” Chapter 4 - Dahmer Timeline May 21,1960 Jeffrey Dahmer born September 16, 1962 Billy Capshaw born June, 1978 First known murder by Dahmer January, 1979 Dahmer enlisted in U. S. Army and was stationed in Germany October 29, 1979 Billy Capshaw joined the U. S. Army February, 1980 Billy assigned a room with Dahmer August, 1981 Dahmer removed from room October 29, 1981 Billy honorably discharged from U. S. Army 1981 Dahmer discharged from U. S. Army 1980-1981 Five unsolved murders near the Army base where Dahmer stationed July 22, 1991 Dahmer arrested Jan - Feb 14, 1992 Dahmer’s trial November, 1994 Dahmer murdered in prison Notable: Dahmer first murdered at the age of 18, but his worst known murder spree began at the age of 30.
14-04-2009, 12:04 AM I am certain that Cobain did not write the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit. The lyrics to that song and to 'Come As You Are' were given to him anonymously when he was just starting out as a fledgling 'poet' act /roady with Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins. Both of them were very raw, and at that time Cobain was still mastering the guitar , while Osbourne's early act was quite rudimentary as far as ability to play instrumentally. Osbourne's was a teenage thrash/noise metal act that moved around the Seattle/Portland region for reasons not fully disclosed, imo. Apparently, Cobain traveled with Osbourne to Calgary, Alberta, where he was given the lyrics, which he kept for five years before deciding to record them. It appears that Cobain wrote the music to accompany the lyrics based on the suggestion that he use the riff from 'More than a Feeling', but got cold feet about doing anonymously acquired lyrics that he could not properly credit the original writer with. He then attempted to rewrite the lyrics , as evident on scraps of paper which were later,( after his death) cobbled together by Courtney Love as being part of something that was then marketed as the 'secret journals of a genius that meticulously planned his every move'.) In reality, the 'journal' was mostly the product of Courtney scraping together every bit of the scrap paper, notes, scribblings, old letters and looseleaf notebooks that she could find in Cobain's drawers and cobbling them together as something to make a buck on. (I would not be surprised if some of the material was fabricated by Courtney outright to fill out a book length project) His plan was to use his newly composed music (based partially on the distinctive riff of 'More than a Feeling' by Boston) with the reworked lyrics instead of the lyrics that were originally given him. Included (below) was this attempt at rewriting Smells Like Teen Spirit: [some interesting parts I have highlighted as it relates to some of the subject matter in this thread]: Come out and play make up the rules Take off your clothes Ill see you in court We’ll lose but we wont be bored Come out and play, make up the rules, Dyslexic idiot savant with bad hearing load up on guns & bring your friends The secret handshakes pretend our little group has always been and always will until the end we cut our hands & made a pact & swore wed never going back A mulatto an Albino A mosquito my libido
YAY A deposit for a bottle stuck inside it no role model A denial Who will be the King & Queen of the outcasted teens. I hate to use percentages its nice to know there is a choice Cobain decided that the above lyrics were an obvious failure, and went with the original lyrics that were given him, with only some slight changes. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BkqHOflsL._AA280_.jpg Nirvana T-shirt : Nirvana: Fudge Packin, Crack Smokin, Satan Worshippin Motherfucker 'Mother fucker' also has its reference in My Own Private Idaho: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2041/ProdigalSon.jpg in 'My Own Private Idaho' James Russo plays the part of Mike Water's brother and father , in other words, Mike was fathered by his own brother , ie: from his brother sleeping with his mother. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/harobed216/Actors/River%20Phoenix/river-phoenix-0034.jpg found this on River Phoenix and Gus Van Sant: He died at age 23 outside Johnny Depp's Los Angeles club, the Viper Room. The official cause of death was drug-induced heart failure. Here is some of Louis Hobson's (Calgary Sun) take on it, which closely reflects what others have written: "He collapsed on the sidewalk on Sunset Boulevard after staggering out of Johnny Depp's Viper Room nightclub, dying in the arms of his younger brother Joaquin Phoenix and River's then-girlfriend Samantha Mathis... It was a horrible death with River suffering for almost 10 minutes from violent seizures. I was at a press junket and, because it was Halloween, we had wandered up to Santa Monica and Sunset Boulevards to catch a look at the outrageously-costumed revellers. Within days, it was confirmed Phoenix had overdosed on heroine and cocaine, the same mix of drugs that had killed John Belushi 11 years earlier. I was deeply saddened but, unfortunately, I was not surprised. I had interviewed Phoenix seven months earlier in Dallas for the drama The Thing Called Love. It was the fifth time I'd interviewed the young actor who I'd often referred to in features and reviews as his generation's James Dean. It was a tragic comparison as Dean died at age 24. River had generally been shy, reserved and polite. Not so in Dallas where he was brash and crude. The interviews were delayed so that River could be made presentable. He had been partying most of the previous night and was definitely in a major hang-over mode. He drew obscene caricatures on a piece of paper as he teased us with suggestions that perhaps he was a bisexual drug addict like the one he played two years earlier in Gus Van Sant's My Own Private Idaho. There are those who have blamed Van Sant for River's downward spiral encouraging him to experiment with both drugs and gay sex. Van Sant has never stooped to malign
River, but he has suggested the actor had been experimenting with both years before filming My Own Private Idaho." Kurt as Marilyn Monroe/Andy Warhol... http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5167/11mmtadouglasg17790s.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11mmtadouglasg17790s.jpg) Kate Moss&Pete Doherty reincarting killers MYRA HINDLEY&IAN BRADY in a photo session... http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/672/katemoss800x567t.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php? image=katemoss800x567t.jpg) That is not Kurt Cobain in the top picture! Also, Kate Moss and Peter Docherty did not dress as the murderers in that session. It was work by an artist called Russell Young and not a photoshoot. Is there any structure to this thread? It seems that it is a dumping ground for ... almost anything? I would like if some posts at this site were more accurate in their reporting. Ok, do some justice, will u? The places I got the pics from didnt mention these details, so how was I supposed to know? this has got to be the best explanation why Kurt Cobain is dead, imo. http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/11/25/kurt_cobain,0.jpg http://www.altx.com/interzones2/london/rock.n.roll.html ...A more believable theory about Cobain's death suggests he was the victim of a CIA mind control experiment. An individual claiming to represent 'a private network of researchers' contacted me about this and arranged a meeting in the Temple Church on Fleet Street. Once I'd settled in a pew, a very nervous young man seated himself beside me. According to my contact, the CIA is deeply concerned about the subversive influence of popular music on young people, that's why 'they murdered Brian Jones, John Lennon and Jim Morrison'. What's been worrying the spooks lately is the sway black radicalism has gained over the minds of white teenagers, to counter this 'they've been pushing Nation of Islam style separatism among rappers'. Likewise, the white Grunge movement spearheaded by Nirvana was backed by the CIA because 'they wanted to divide youngsters on racial lines, if black and white kids linked up, they'd pose a serious threat to the system. The whole point of Grunge is to instill in teenagers a sense of hopelessness, to fill them with self-hate and prevent them from changing the world.' Apparently, the CIA got hold of Cobain when he was still unknown, then using drugs, hypnosis and
medical torture, they broke his will and rebuilt his personality. 'Most of the time he'd act relatively normal,' I was told, 'but all it took was a few key words spoken over the phone and Cobain would carry out the deeds he'd been programmed to enact.' My contact was convinced that the singer had been brainwashed into committing suicide at the peak of his success because the CIA figured this would reduce his potentially rebellious fans to complete despair. However, the conspiracy theorist admitted several of his fellow researchers thought Cobain had taken his own life as the only means of breaking free from the influence of his controllers. If this is the case, then the rock star is a hero rather than simply a victim, and his death provides grounds for a fresh outbreak of teenager rebellion. http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=UTsxARCpTLw&feature=PlayList&p=9338101502F13527&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&inde x=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZq8Zotksj0&feature=PlayList&p=9338101502F13527&index=2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W9rjEovCKI&feature=PlayList&p=9338101502F13527&index=3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoE4yr5m1r8&feature=PlayList&p=9338101502F13527&index=4 just listen in, you'll see why i put this up. EXCERPTS about the supposed 'Suicide': http://www.cobaincase.com/img/ckfilm.jpg FROM Nick Broomfield's KURT AND COURTNEY - I want to clarify an extremely important issue: during one of my interviews in the film, I discussed Cobain's heroin blood level. The research we've done indicates Kurt would have been immediately incapacitated, therefore unable to pick up the shotgun and shoot himself. (PRWEB) April 4, 2004 - At the time of his death, Kurt Cobain was leaving his wife Courtney Love and had booked two plane tickets out of Seattle for himself and a mystery woman who Courtney believed to be Kurt’s new girlfriend, according to a new book based on the exclusive case tapes of Love’s former private investigator. - Who can really trust Courtney Love ?? FROM NSA Initiated Execution to Cover-up in Music: ...Kurt Cobain of the musical group "Nirvana" was another victim of NSA brainwashing and was terminated by NSA. Cobain had started writing clues to the NSA activities into his music to communicate it to his music followers. He referred in music to the NSA as the 'Friends inside his head'. Once the NSA puts on the highest level of brainwashing pain, the subject expires quickly. Cobain used heroin to numb and otherwise slow the effect of the brainwashing.
NOW Let's try to build this artist's life: taken from the scum to deliver what the Kontrollers wanted the people to listen, then got too much attention, got some kind of over-exposure and then considered an obstacle for the Kontrollers... So other people to mention are: - William Burroughs http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php? p=774483&highlight=burroughs#post774483 - Gus Van Sant http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php? p=273821&highlight=My+Own+Private+Idaho#post273821 We're NOT talking about the good ol'next door friends here... It is just obvious to me that while Kurt tried to escape from his Kontrollers, another star [ MJ ] didn't, but the end of the story was almost the same. http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/michael-jackson.jpg According to Magnificent Majestic, Michael Jackson’s personal magician, the purpose of Michael’s recent meetings with the nation of Islam is to insure that nobody is taking advantage of him financially. So don’t worry everyone - Michael Jackson’s personal magician is ensuring that nobody is taking advantage of him financially. ...It’s Majestik the Magnificent, and that is his real name. Yes... and someone, hidden behind medical treatments, just drugged Jackson as he should be operated every-single-day . Lovely Kontrollers, once your into it, you just can't run away... Looks like teen spirit: Kurt Cobain's daughter Frances Bean dumps the glam for grunge (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1207873/Kurt-Cobains-daughter-Frances-Bean-Cobaindumps-glam-grunge.html) http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/courtney-love-and-frances-bean-hotelroom.jpg Growing up as the daughter of grunge rockers Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love, everyone was expecting Frances Bean Cobain to take on her parents' style. After previously declaring she was a 'girlie girl' and a 'different person', it appears the 17-year-old has done a U-turn and plumped for her mother and father's edgier fashion sense. The teenager was spotted wearing an ethnic maxi dress, clumpy brown boots and showing off her new dyed red hair do as she shopped in New York yesterday. Going grunge: Frances Bean Cobain showed her more alternative fashion sense in New York City's West Village yesterday
The youngster was no doubt spending her birthday money after turning 17 on Tuesday. Like most teenagers, Frances was intent on dressing differently to her mother and swore off her mum's grunge look. But as she fast approaches adulthood Frances has started to embrace a more dramatic dress sense. Following in the footsteps of her tragic father Kurt, who died in 1994 when Frances was just 20 months old, the teen has dyed her once brunette hair red. Just like dad: Frances's dad Kurt Cobain, pictured in 1991, frequently dyed his hair The Nirvana frontman flirted with many hair colours during his time in the band, including red, black, blond and even green. In an interview with Teen Vogue four years ago, Frances appealed to Nirvana fans to stop putting expectations on her to live up to her famous father. She said: 'I'm a different person. I don't want to be titled as Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain's daughter. I want to be thought of as Frances Cobain.' Describing her style, she said: ''I don't like to look sloppy. I'm a girlie-girl. 'I prefer when (my mom is) more classy starlet. I don't really like her hard-metal stuff, or when she doesn't brush her hair.' In a more recent interview with Harpers Bazaar last year, Frances demonstrated how different she was from her mother by gushing about Sex and the City, her love of shoes and designer clothing label Prada. Glam: A chic-looking Frances, who was then 14, with her mother Courtney Love at a Versace party in LA in 2007 Family life: Baby Frances and Courtney with Kurt at the MTV Awards in September 1992 - 19 months before his suicide Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1207873/Kurt-Cobains-daughter-FrancesBean-Cobain-dumps-glam-grunge.html#ixzz0OjlSFHSo Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1207873/Kurt-Cobains-daughter-FrancesBean-Cobain-dumps-glam-grunge.html#ixzz0OjklMO4y video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAtgCcq95mM when the video link is removed , go to Youtube and paste in: Project MKULTRA - CIA Mind Control Experiments On Kids to find it. Amazing how testimony such as this, like that of Frances Farmer sixty years ago, is now so much more credible. from the CIA-drugs yahoo group: Courtney Love is now blogging that she has multiple personality disorder/dissociative identity disorder: http://firstname.lastname@example.org/msg10577.html http://email@example.com/jpgkpW3dKCpsL.jpg Dissociative Identity Disorder Filed under: Courtney Love > When Celebrities Blog
Courtney Love wants the world to know she's got multiple personalities. Or, as she likes to call it, "alter egos." Seems like the rock chick's new id is manifesting itself as a woman named Cherry Kookoo, emphasis on the CRAZY Kookoo we're sure. Explains love on her blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=165705423&blogID=411546972): "just want to hank allyou supportive lovely people and thank you for putting up with my kookoo bananas alter ego should; we give her a name? shoudl we give my alter ego a name? hmnmmmm Cherry! "Cherry kookoo" so if /when im overcome and blog again wich i wont do i took a picture of a friend looking at me rather sternly to remind me not to- well know it was Cherry Kookoo, but i think I've killed her off. back to my shopping basket! Your support means the world to me i read every comment! rock on" http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc870/th_09810_cobaintart_0001_122_870lo.jpg early photo of a young (and alluring) Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic together, with Kurt perched on big Krist's knee(Cobain was likely 18 or so here, and Krist about 20) this would have been around the time that Cobain and Krist spraypainted things like 'GOD IS GAY', 'abort christ', and 'homo sex rules' around Aberdeen video: Kurt Cobain's Own Private Idaho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg repost (photo and video both disappeared from original post) http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/laurancotter/kurt_cobain_seattle.jpg http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc980/th_34035_cobainbluedress_122_980lo.jpg Re: My Own Private Idaho ( I da ho: as in "I da hoh, bro?") ) being based on the addicted, narcoleptic Kurt Cobain, I found this interesting information on the writing and making of the film. In the original screenplay by Gus Van San, the script and part for the main character Mike (played by River Phoenix) was written originally as the character being a heroin using, narcoleptic street kid with dreams of making it big as a rock star. The kid that recounts the rape tale is a real 'street kid' ( his real name is Mike Parker) who was originally going to play River Phoenix's character 'Mike Waters'. Keanu Reeves character was initially also to be played by a real hustler and friend of Gus Van Sants', named Scott. Van Sant wanted Reeves and Phoenix and sent them scripts directly, as he knew agents wouldn't put them through due to the content, and both actors said 'yes' (obviously) so the original choices, Scott and Mike Parker, were demoted to 'street kid' roles.
http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc1041/th_68213_myownprivateidaho_122_1041lo.jpg Just to clarify also, the parts were not written based on the real hustlers lives. Van Sant gave the characters the same first name of the boys who were originally to play them. interesting related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc824/th_68438_myownprivateidaho2_122_824lo.jpg Mike Parker Mike parker (the guy who recounts the "I was raped with a wine bottle" story) speaks a little about this in a documentary called 'This Road will never End'. Part I of that documentary is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO3abs0X-Mo repost missing video links http://www.thegully.com/essays/gaymundo/queerimg6/cross_burning2.jpg Clues in the Heart Shaped Box video, that Cobain may have been recovering memories of secret ritual activity from his childhood. http://www.mcb.com.hk/online2/image/upload/215/anton_nirvana.jpg note the crows on what might seem to be a crucifix http://designarchives.aiga.org/img/media/13390_m.jpg the crows identify it as possibly a scarecrow frame or burnt sacrifice structure - may tie in with pagan ritual sacrifice. (as the makers of the film Zeitgeist painstakingly illustrated, christianity blended pagan traditions, rituals, and dates together as it took hold) note the Pope's hat (mitre) http://musique.portail.free.fr/clips-videos/nouveautes/10-11-2008/nirvana-heart-shaped-box/1930-5s430x360-Cropped.jpg http://designarchives.aiga.org/img/media/13390_m.jpg (note the little girl with the KKK/Bohemian Grove ritual hood and robe, with the face cover hanging at the back. This child could symbolize the childhood of cobain , who, by some accounts, may have been raised as a blonde girl in early childhood) this still from the video is interesting in that it may contain clues
to ritual secrets that Cobain was hinting at, but too afraid to directly reveal. Consider for a moment who is the more likely to be a satanist, a christian or an atheist? A scientific rationalist/existentialist/atheist forgoes a belief in anything that cannot be directly proven to exist. Therefore atheists, by definition, would not believe in the existence of satan, let alone worship satan as a deity. Would it be too much to consider for a moment that is christians who believe in the existence of both jesus and satan? and... Can we then consider that the believers in the existence of satan are most likely to be satanists? Could it be then that there are sects who practice active worship of both jesus and satan? Could that be what this picture is depicting? http://designarchives.aiga.org/img/media/13390_m.jpg http://www.sjb.k12.nf.ca/grassroots/holocaust/other/hategroups/pic-burningcross.gif continued.. any thread referencing the Heart Shaped Box video should actually contain the video, so here it is. the way this video is arranged is interesting, with footage of Cobain singing the song Heart Shaped Box, seemingly enraged, and intercut with flashes of what could be the source of his rage; recovered memories of traumatic ritual abuse. You see in the video hanging fetuses, a man crucified, ritual robes, and angel/butterfly symbolism throughout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK7Ai9dWrRQ Note too that Cobain's original concept for this video was to have the aging William Burroughs, aged 80 at the time, play the role of the old man, and the role of the Burroughs character, according to Cobain's script idea, was to simulate the anal rape of Cobain, and die while ejaculating his life force into Cobain. We can assume this may have been intended by Cobain to be an homage to Burroughs, a way of stating that Burroughs spirit would live in on the younger Cobain, who by all accounts revered Burroughs as a mentor. Burroughs declined to appear in the video, so the end result, instead, was the video that you see posted above. The Burroughs/Cobain rape scene may have been planned as just part of the original montage that you see in the video posted here, what could be a montage, or collage, as discussed previously, of flashbacks/recovered memories of childhood traumatic ritual abuse: ie:
-human sacrifice rituals, -dead fetuses/baby sacrifice - drug infused hallucinations (assuming that a great deal of such abuse is experienced while under the forced influence of various hallucinogenic mushrooms/chemicals/narcotics) This could explain the 'psychedelic' nature of the setting that Cobain chooses for the video. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/heart_shaped_box.jpg note the coffin like-black box reminiscent of the line "I've been locked inside your heart shaped box for weeks" (a possible reference to sensory deprivation/live burial ritual/ near death trauma) Also among the grotesque imagery is that of the old man sustained by an IV composed dead fetus blood/cells: http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/IV_baby.jpg http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/wickedwitch.jpg This would appear to be a play on the same concept of life force sacrificed to be passed onto another, only in reverse. In Cobain's original concept for the video , the old man's life force was to be ritualistically passed from old to young, in a 'shades of Alex Crowley sex magik' kind of way. When Burroughs declined, that idea/scene was presumably scrapped and replaced, instead, with the image of the old man being crucified in some sort of ritualistic pagan/KKK cannibalistic cross-roasting ceremony. Again the same concept of passing the life force of the old to the young. But in Cobain's final production, you see also this depiction of the young (fetal) life force sacrificed in passing to the old: http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/IV_baby.jpg The ritual sacrifice of expendables, [ (expendables being the extremely old (invalids/the dying), and the extremely young (fetuses, sperm, eggs, zygotes)] may be the underlying theme, and source, of Cobain's traumatic recovered memories. All with the underlying theme of cannibalism. quote:
http://thestygianport.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/pierced_heart.jpg http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/nirvana/blue_butterflys.jpg The blue butterflies, mentioned above when the girls outfit changes to black, point back to an old post
of mine about Monarch mind control programming which states: Older victims were frequently tattooed for easy identification with a "so-called" Blue or other colored monarch butterfly. This practice became more or less obsolete in the early 1970's and was replaced by the victim wearing butterfly hair barrettes, large butterfly ear rings, pins, necklaces, bracelets, or embroidered insignias to "advertise" their art of expertise to knowledgeable abusers. This rule applies to 100% of the victims interviewed. - outpost-of-freedom.com also, unbelievable as it may seem, the following was reported by multiple, as in MANY, internet media sources: Tim Burton offered Frances Bean Cobain the role of Alice in his upcoming film Alice in Wonderland. Frances Bean Cobain turned down role in Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland The teenaged daughter of Courtney Love and late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was reportedly courted by director Tim Burton to star in his screen adaptation of 'Alice in Wonderland.' But she turned it down to focus on her education. The teenaged daughter of Courtney Love and late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was reportedly courted by director Tim Burton to star in his screen adaptation of 'Alice in Wonderland.' But she turned it down to focus on her education. 17-year-old Frances Bean Cobain was considered to star in the title role, alongside Johnny Depp, Anne Hathaway and Helena Bonham Carter. But a source is said to have told the UK's Mail on Sunday that Cobain rejected the part. 'Tim thought she would be perfect,' said the source, 'but she wants to go to university. She's incredibly focused and sensible.' The role of Alice went to newcomer Mia Wasikowska. The film is set for a March 2010 release. further evidence that Cobain did not write the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit , found on the 'forbidden page' of the 'Journals' book that Courtney Love published after his death: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8128/cobainforbidden.jpg quote: Desire to Burn by Tim Appelo
'On page 204 of his journals, he incorporated “A Young Woman, a Tree” into a drawing. It was a page so painfully revealing that reviewers were forbidden to reprint it, presumably on Love’s orders. Cobain took a comic-book version of his life story, tore out the cartoon portrait of his head heroically shrieking his number-one lyric “Here we are now, entertain us,” and drew onto it a rather good expressionist sketch of his emaciated body. The drawing is meant to contrast the muscular comic-book superhero head—the public myth—with the shabby private reality of what he called his “Auschwitz” body, which shamed him. Above the drawing, he clipped six lines from Ostriker. The girl in the poem envies a tree, whose explosion of fall color makes her own life feel pallid: Passing that fiery tree—if only she could Be making love, Be making poetry, Be exploding, be speeding through the universe Like a photon, like a shower Of yellow blazes— ' http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8128/cobainforbidden.jpg Interesting to note that the above page of his journals contain no actual journal text entry of Cobain's , by his own hand. It is not so much a journal entry as a collage, consisting of two cut and pastes, and a sketch. This juxtaposition of 'collage as journal entry' is interesting when you examine it. First lets look at the two cut and pastes that Cobain substituted for his journal addition that day: One is a snippet from a poetry book, six lines of an Alicia Ostriker poem, Cobain could easily have rewritten the Ostriker lines himself, by hand, but chose to cut and paste the lines from the actual page of the book of poetry in which it had appeared. Why? Cobain obviously did not author the Ostriker lines, and he made a point of emphasizing that fact by refusing to pen the lines into his journal, and instead 'cut and pasted' them in their original form, snipped from the actual page of the book. And below that we see another cut and paste, also containing poetry, this time poetry from the song 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', torn from part of a comic book about Cobain. So what we have here is an intentional cut and paste collage of similar items. Both of them containing poetry....both of them pieces taken from their original source rather than reproduced........ with both of them containing poetry that Cobain did not write. Cobains only inky original contribution to the page , or that day's journal entry , is his rendering of himself, of the rest of his body, at the bottom of the page. Cobain has embedded a clue to the origin of the lyrics in his journals. He pasted the line 'if only she could be making poetry' onto a blank page of his own journal, as a substitute for his own expression,
his own written contribution or journal entry of that day, as if to say 'I have writers block, this expresses for me what I am feeling today' (in other words , his way of saying " "If only I could be making poetry today", was to cut and paste evidence that someone had beaten him to it, & reveal that someone had already poetically expressed the thought prior to him, and he chose to defer to Ostriker, & to use the better expression of that thought, the poem by Ostriker, rather than try to wax eloquent himself on the subject of writers block) In my opinion, immediately underneath this, Cobain hints that the same thought process was occurring at the time of his decision to use the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit, (which he had not written himself), on his own record, to best express what he was feeling. ie putting that song on his record was not unlike a deferential cut and paste job, very similar to what he had just done above. In contrasting a sketch of his own frail body with the mighty body of the artificial comic book image, he admits that he is not the person depicted, ie: he is not the real writer. What you are seeing expressed here is Cobain's deferential admiration for two writers other than himself. http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8128/cobainforbidden.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journals_%28Cobain%29#The_.22Forbidden_Page.22 The "Forbidden Page" According to an article written by Tim Appelo in the Seattle Weekly in 2002, journalists were banned from printing page 204 of Journals (hardcover) in articles or reviews, ostensibly because of its dark content. The page features a drawing of Cobain's face, torn from a comic book, shouting a refrain from the chorus of his most popular song, "Smells Like Teen Spirit": "With the lights out, it's less dangerous / Here we are now, entertain us!" Under the drawing is a sketch by Cobain of the rest of his body until his hips, its skeletal frame contrasting sharply with the furious-looking comic book image. Above the drawing-collage are six lines cut-and-pasted from an Alicia Ostriker poem called "A Young Woman, A Tree". The six lines, which begin the poem, describe a girl who passes a blooming tree, and envies its beauty; it has been suggested that by juxtaposing these lines with his emaciated self-portrait, Cobain was making a comment on his own loss of creativity and his personal image being in contrast to his public one.