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(Transcript is of full interview. Audio can be heard online at: http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3218354.htm) Can you describe to me what daily life is like in Tripoli at the moment? Tripoli suffering from Mr Gaddafi¶s army, and many, many people, about 25,000 person in jail right now, in prison. He took everybody from 15 years up to 40 years. He enforced them to fight with him. And if anybody refuse, they kill him immediately. So is that« I¶m sorry, are you describing that that¶s a kind of conscription that Gaddafi has put in place? Yeah, Gaddafi is enforcing everybody in Tripoli. If you refuse to fight with him, you will be killed. And people every night, every night went to the street, and they want to express that they refuse him, they don¶t want him anymore, that they want their rights as a human being. But he answers us by bullets in chest and in heads every night, this is happened. So there are protests happening every night in Tripoli? Yeah, every night in Tripoli. And the NATO have the air planes flying on the Tripoli, and they see everything. Each movement we do on the ground, they saw it. So they can confirm this. Can you tell me whereabouts in Tripoli these protests are happening? Especially in Fashloom, in Fashloom, in Soug al Jumaa, and Tajoura. These are the three areas starting the revolution in Tripoli. And most of people he took to the prisons are from these areas. I am a doctor. He gave us orders that we should not treat the revolutions, only we should treat the army. They are militia, not army. We saw them, and we catch some of them, from Chad, from Niger, from Algeria, they are not even pure Libyans; they are from everywhere. I refused these orders, and I joined the revolutions. So I was in street, and expressing that we want free and our rights. He had snipers everywhere. I was shot on the fourth day of the revolution, about two months ago, more. I have a bullet in my chest. Now in Tripoli, we have no communication, internet, we cannot connect with internet. We can¶t put these videos online. But are you taking videos? Yeah, we took videos for everything. For the people who burned the embassies in Tripoli, American embassy, British embassy; the home of the Ambassador of England, everything happened in Tripoli we have photos and video for it.
And can you tell me, is there an organized opposition movement in Tripoli at the moment? Not organized, in these three areas I told you, we have one control room, ok. Because he put his army everywhere, they stop the cars, they search the cars, so we cannot move easy. And if he check the ID number, and he found you that you are living in Fashloom, or Soug al Jumaa or in this area - you will be in trouble. So what you are doing here, where are you going? Something like that. So we have some difficulty to contact with other revolutionaries in other areas. But in these three areas ± Fashloom, Soug al Jumaa and Tajoura ± we have one control room, so we are doing this job together. I just I want to inform you about his son that died, and something like that. It is a fake, it¶s not true. We have information that his son in Germany. He just do this because he want people to feel sorry about him. And this is Saif al Arab Gaddafi? Yeah, he¶s not died. And we can confirm this by he didn¶t show his face when they¶re going to bury him. Nobody saw his face, ok. And we have information that he¶s in Germany right now, with another name, not Saif al Arab. And can you be any more explicit about the source of that? I cannot tell you my sources, because they will be in danger. Most of my sources are people inside Mr Gaddafi¶s first circle, and they tell me everything, that his son¶s ok. Sometimes we get some guns and weapons from the army; we buy it, ok, by money, or by killing some of them. We enforced to kill ± we don¶t want to kill them, but we are enforced to do so, and we are sorry for them too. Most of them are enforced to fight with Mr Gaddafi. So there is basically and armed conflict going on in Tripoli every night? Yeah, every night, every night. And you say that you¶re in touch with some of the people in Gaddafi¶s inner circle. Can you tell me what the mood is in this circle? How do you have access to these people? They are afraid. They knew that the time is over, and people will attack them any minute. He is afraid, because we took an action inside Mitiga ± it is an airbase for army. So we took an action inside it, and we put a flag of the revolutions on the top. So he is afraid that most people in the first circle, they are running away from him. And if you heard about Eman al Obeidy, she ran out with some officers here, with high« High ranking? Yeah, high ranking, from the first circle of Gaddafi. He was close to Gaddafi. He took Eman and ran out with his family.
Were you in touch with that person, or are these the types of people you have been in touch with? Not directly, not directly, but we have contacts in other cities, and they confirmed that it was this person who did that operation. And can I ask you, how do people in Tripoli feel about the NATO airstrikes? I swear to God they are happy. When we didn¶t hear the planes, we are upset here in Tripoli, but when we hear some bombing and firing, we are happy, and we go out to the streets to express that we are happy. And it is chance for us, because when they bomb any control room for Gaddafi, they will not be able to contact each other for about one hour. So we can go out into the streets, and do some action about the forces he put in the streets. So these NATO airstrikes, when they hit these command and control centres, that is giving you an opportunity to go out into the streets. And is that an armed action that you are taking? You are attacking army officers, or you are protesting? It is depending on the site. Sometimes we attack the media offices, because they are lying on the people. So we try to destroy these offices to stop the lying. And sometimes we attack the forces in the street. These forces are militia, not a regular force. They stop people in the street, they break into the homes, they took everything they can find. They rape people, they rape the woman and girls; here in Libya, in Muslim countries, the girl must be virgin until she¶s married. But if she¶s not virgin, I don¶t know the exact word to say it« But they enforce the girls to make love to them ± I am sorry for this word. They rape them. And if you stand in front of them it¶s easy ± it will not cost more than one bullet in your head. This is how it is going in Tripoli. And we are happy because the fuel is running out from Tripoli. And we don¶t want other countries to bring the fuel to Mr Gaddafi. Because if the fuel run out here, we can move easy. His tanks will stop, his cars will stop, nobody will move. He do much force by cars. And then you can move on foot? Yeah, if he run out from the fuel, it will be helpful for us. And we hope that the United Nations will not allow him to have fuel anymore. And also the food is running out in Tripoli. The medication almost running out too. Because he took everything to his forces, and to his storage, not to the people. And we want this situation to get worse and worse, because at any moment, people will all go out again against him, because they want to live. So you are optimistic that people in Tripoli will come out and take action against Gaddafi? Yes, yes, yes. In whole Tripoli. Now, I told you there is people every night went to the streets and express that they don¶t want Gaddafi in three areas - Fashloom, Soug al Jumaa, Tajoura. But we count on this situation getting worse and worse, and whole Tripoli will get out again.
On the fourth day of revolution, whole Tripoli went, when they said Mr Gaddafi went to Venezuela, whole Tripoli went out into the streets, and they were happy. But after three hours of Saif al Islam¶s speech, Tripoli was felled by his force. And they killed everybody they found in the streets. We were in Fashloum; he used every force possible to kill as many people as he can, to kill from Fashloum area, if you understand me. Yes I do. I¶ve heard that phones ± all phones ± are monitored in Tripoli. How are you talking to us now? Are you worried that you will be caught? Yeah, at first I told you that this is not my real name, Kordaba, and I¶m trying to change my voice, this is not my real voice. And also this number is not mine, this is from an Egyptian person, he left Libya. And I am not calling from home, or any place. I am driving my car, so that if they are tracking me, they will not catch me. Ok, you go it? Yes, I understand. So I have to move when I calling anybody with this number. When I contact with sources, and some newspapers, and other people outside. So I have to be in the streets and driving my car. So I will prevent them to catch me. Will you try to leave Tripoli, or will you stay and fight? No, I will not leave, I will stay here. Whatever happens. If I died, that¶s no problem, I died for something, and we will be happy. But we hope that we will get him as soon as possible; we will get Mr Gaddafi out, or we will kill him. Anything that guarantee that we will leave free after 42 years with his iron hand on our chest.