# Modal analysis FAQ

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Added by Ondrej Kalny, last edited by Ondrej Kalny on Aug 26, 2010 (view change)

General FAQ o How should I setup a modal analysis for a structure with cables? o What are reasons for and consequences of a warning message that loads are applied to massless degrees of freedom in Ritz-vector modal analysis? o After assigning shell joint offsets, why I am getting warning messages that loads are applied to massless degrees of freedom in Ritz-vector modal analysis? o Why am I getting warning message about excessively large effective-damping ratios for modal time history analysis based on Ritz vectors?

General FAQ
How should I setup a modal analysis for a structure with cables?
Extended Question: I am doing a modal analysis of a model that has cable elements in it. The model is intrinsically non-linear since it has tension-only cable elements. But the modal analysis is theoretically an elastic analysis. If you force SAP to do such an analysis, what will happen? In another words, what is the algorithm involved? Answer: To obtain meaningful results for modal analysis of a structure with cables, the modal analysis should be using stiffness at the end of nonlinear load case in which the dead loads (and possibly other types of loads of interest) are applied. Then the modes will be based on the stiffness of the cables under the applied loads. If you need to consider complete dynamic nonlinear behavior, you should consider running nonlinear direct-integration time-history analysis.

What are reasons for and consequences of a warning message that loads are applied to massless degrees of freedom in Ritz-vector modal analysis?
Extended Question: When I run analysis, I get a warning message saying: Loads are applied to one or more massless degrees of freedom, corresponding Ritz modes may be unavailable or inaccurate for dynamics. When does this type of warning indicate? How can I modify my model to get rid of this message? Does that have to do with boundary conditions? If nothing is done to avoid this warning, what are the possible consequences? Answer: This message means that you are applying load in that load case to a joint that has no [mass] , possibly at a joint that is restrained.