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Copyright © January 1996, by Shahriar Shahriari, Vancouver, Canada
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Shahriari, Shahriar, 1963Thus spake the real Zarathushtra
1. Zoroastrianism, I. Title. BL1571.S43 1996 181'.05 C96-900407-9
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Dedicated to the memory of my late father Sirous
I would like to extend my heart felt appreciation and deep gratitude to the following: Professor Kaikhosrov D. Irani whose simple explanation of Zarathushtra's philosophy eight years ago was a turning point in my spiritual path. Mrs. Magdalena Maria Rustomji who encouraged me to continue writing by showing me how we can affect so many others at a distance. A. for being such an amazing teacher, and for showing me many things including teaching me by example what not to do. Ms. Juhli Hansen, my firewalking instructor, for making the experience a spiritual one, one of taking my own power and responsibility. Mr. Paul William Roberts, whom I met only once as recently as last month, for uttering a single sentence which unbeknownst to him triggered the start of the process of crystallization of this book. Ms. Frances Allden and Mr. Meher D. Amalsad for their editorial suggestions, but most of all for encouraging me with their mental and spiritual support. All my friends who took the time to listen to what I have had to say over the past few years, and who have encouraged and challenged me in ways that have constantly forced me to expand my own paradigms. My mother, Firouzeh, for her constant and never ending love, and my nephew, Sam, for adding another dimension to my spiritual life. My father who taught me so much by his example, without ever trying to teach me anything by indoctrination. And the spirit of Zarathushtra for being a teacher so far ahead of his time.
I have returned to Zarathushtra's philosophy. I have no scholarly claims to the accuracy of my attempts at paraphrasing other people's translations of the "Gathas". popularized by the movie "2001. And may you return to propagate the word. I present this work of fiction. I hope the reader will enjoy reading this book. Nietzsche chose to name his great book "Thus Spake Zarathushtra". At the height of the age of reason. In my own spiritual search. suggesting that humanity would eventually evolve to reach superhumanity.Foreword Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche at the height of the great age of reason introduced his philosophy of man and superman. A Space Odyssey". particularly Zarathushtra. Vancouver Canada . and maybe even be encouraged to move faster along his or her own spiritual path. This story is meant to be exactly that. and perhaps may be tempted to find out more about Zarathushtra's teachings. While in a sense his philosophy was alluding to similar concepts as Zarathushtra's. many European thinkers were impressed with the names of some of the Eastern philosophers. In an attempt to explain my understanding of Zarathushtra's spiritual yet pragmatic teachings. Richard Strauss was a famous composer of that era who chose the same title for his musical Masterpiece. the rationality of his age precluded spirituality as the way of arriving at this state. May you reach your mountain top. and after going the full circle. Shahriar Shahriari January 1996. May you enjoy the experience of climbing your own mountain. understanding its mystical aspects for the first time. Therefore. a story. Later on some of his ideas were perverted to give rise to Nazism. I started with Zoroastrianism.
' Gathas 30:9 .`May we be among those who renew the world.
approximately 15 feet away. I am long gone. "Zarathushtra who?" "Zarathushtra Spitama. His beard was thick. curly and black." He introduced himself without blinking. The kind that you normally find looking at wise grandfathers." "Look man. immobile in my astonishment. or I have lost it completely. In mocking disbelief I responded. immersed in my thoughts." I said. breathing in the fresh air. I do not exist except in history books. I calmly responded. I suppose you want some proof. You know. Out of the bright light stepped a young bearded figure." Again he was very calm. Suddenly I saw a bright light appear right in front of me. He had a white T-shirt on and was wearing a pair of faded blue jeans. "I understand. Too calm." He almost laughed and continued. "I thought you may have difficulty accepting this. Startled I stopped. the one you have been reading about. "Yeah right!" I thought to myself and responded. "either you are a nut case if you expect me to believe this. I was rooted to the ground. No. "I am Zarathushtra. In the books that you have read. As he approached me he said." . better than that. I am Jesus Christ!" He smiled very calmly and said. His blue-green eyes were glowing with a special light. "Yeah right! I am Julius Caesar. "Hi!" In spite of my astonishment. I was born a few thousand years ago and died a few decades later. approximately my own age. It was so quick and so mesmerizing that I did not have time to check my feelings. That is why I thought you may need some proof. There was neither panic nor joy. I was walking.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra Mid morning in the supernatural forests near Vancouver in blessed Beautiful British Columbia. He seemed to be in his early thirties.
" I was also thinking how on earth I could explain all of this to anybody else? I was not sure how to respond.. "Right now. That is what they call your religion nowadays. I have come here to discuss them with you. The weather is nice and warm. not as a scholar. and maybe you can help me with mine. what harm can this do? So I softly said." 2 . at least on this continent. "OK. you are quite well known. you were quite impressed by the cosmology that I had proposed. "This must be a trick that my subconscious mind is playing on me. that is fair. I was thinking. wondering what on earth was going on.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Go on. Do you still call them the `Gathas'?" He asked.." I said. and never tried to indoctrinate you into it either. I simply nodded. because you lived it yourself. Even though I have not taken any mind expanding substances. Imagine that Zarathushtra has come to visit you and you can ask him anything you want. or do you still want me to get more specific?" He asked. In fact you did not care about your religion until you were in your mid twenties. Where do I start? I suppose in the beginning. but by then. you started studying my divine songs. perhaps it would be best if I told you a little bit about yourself. That way you will be able to verify the information. You were born in the same country as I was. "where do we start?" "Well. "You flatter me. perhaps because of his calmness. So I simply thought to myself that I should play along.. it is quite conceivable that I am experiencing a naturally induced altered state of consciousness. After all. I am in this beautiful natural setting. right?" I nodded in response. "Do you have enough proof.. let's start by you asking me questions.." "How does he know all these things?" I was thinking to myself.. In fact it was so interesting for you that you started presenting the idea to other young people in your religion. "When you first started reading about your religion. but as someone who understands this philosophy quite well". Now. after you migrated to the opposite side of the world. and the air is amazingly fresh. the sun is filtering through the trees. "Well. "You have reached a stage in your thoughts and belief that you have certain questions." "I am listening. After all. and maybe I can help you. into a family of Zoroastrians." "OK. among your people. "I am satisfied with your information and proof." I said. half mockingly. I was very calm too. "Your parents did not believe in the rituals of the religion." I responded." "Hmm!" I was still baffled. why have you come here?" He said. "And you found my philosophy so exciting." I said.
and they were both red not black." I said. I had to struggle with this when I was here too. "Now one more question which may sound stupid to you. I looked a lot like the others in that region of the world. whatever that was. I won't promise that I will have answers for all of your questions though. they chose a colour which was unusual for them. But they have nothing to do with your philosophy.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Anything I want?" I asked. "You know. the dimension of consciousness. "You know when I told you that age is irrelevant in the fifth dimension?" I nodded. 3 . including having red hair and appearing in my sixties." He very simply responded." He responded just as kindly. you were much older. Anyway. anything. thinking that even enlightened prophets have their limitations. Can you clarify this once and for all? What was the correct time of your birth?" He was pensive for a while. age is irrelevant. and went on to ask. in my physical features. I chose this age. realizing the folly of my question. I suppose thinking how to answer me so that he would not offend me." "OK. I could just as easily have chosen a different form or age." I responded." "No this is just fine. I will only answer as much as I know. I know what you mean. I could change. Then he said. They opted for red hair and it stuck with my portraits." I was also glad that he had established he was from the fifth dimension." "Fair enough. Some put it at about 27 centuries ago." "And what about your age? Are you as wise at this age and would you be able to give decent answers to my questions?" I asked. all the pictures you have seen of me were fictitious drawings coming out of the imagination of the artists who wanted to create my portrait. and your hair was longer and so was your beard. There are some pictures where my hair and beard is a different colour. "Let me ask you a few questions which arise out of my curiosity. I must say. but I kind of want to get it out of the way. while others go as far back as 7-8 millennia. then I will feel free to answer as strangely as I want." I responded hastily. You get so used to appearances that anything different from what you expected brings up questions and doubts. So in their attempts to glorify me. Does this bother you? If it is that important to you for me to appear older. "and don't worry about how stupid or strange your question may sound." "It's a deal!" I said quickly. "That is OK. "Go on. How come you have black hair and beard now?" "Well. "Yes. there is a very large discrepancy among the scholars as to the date of your birth. When I chose to appear to you in your four dimensional world. "Why are you so young? I mean in most of the pictures that I have seen of you. "I have to explain to you that in the fifth dimension. "You know how it is when you live in the four dimensional world." He responded with a very kind and gentle voice.
" * * * I was quiet for some time. "Z. "The 3 G's!" I answered. "The Amesha Spentas." "That's the 20th century for you. regardless of how absurd it would appear to the other.. What is really important is if my message makes any sense and if people understand it today. probably thinking that this was another outcome of our short attention span." "Well. "Do you know which part of your philosophy I like best?" "Which?" He asked curiously. the whole thing." "What do you like about them?" He asked. Anyway. Finally I said to him. frankly I have not kept track of how many of your years have passed since I left this planet. you know. It is wonderful. who cares what I ask. the divine emanations. It is super intelligent. you don't mind me calling you Z do you?" "Not at all. which one of my teachings is the most famous today?" He asked. I suppose prompting me to get to the philosophy. I like the way it very simply defines the stages of creation and maintenance. "Well. It applies to the whole cosmos. I suppose if you could not say this in less than two lines. It is a principle of universe that applies at every level.. Good Words." I said half ashamed. 4 . I hoped he would not try to come back to me with 30 second responses just to make it simple for me. if my subconscious mind is playing this game. In a way. but then I remembered that we had a deal to ask and say whatever felt right. I guess it is not important to know when I was born." I said casually. and so was he. Good Thoughts. Good Deeds." I responded. You know. nobody would know it.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Well. if something is truly Good." "You are right. it is good in more than one way. and to every thing that we do in our lives. . I suppose he was pondering the short attention span of the people today.. "The 3 G's?" He was not sure what I meant. "It is very interesting to see how the people of your generation can only digest what is given to them in sound bites. And even more important than that is whether they put it into practice in their lives or not. "Tell me.. I was also pondering what I should ask him." He responded. "But luckily we are moving into the 21st century soon. I mean nobody would hear or judge me for this. and to each individual person." He said calmly. So I can't tell you who is right. "Yes.
"You called this creative mind Ahura Mazda. let's just stick with Ahura Mazda or either one of the two words. "Now back to the emanations." He smiled. This plan included all the details of space and time. Love. Ahura Mazda." I recovered myself. But please feel free to jump in any time you think there is a misunderstanding." He laughed lightly. I mean I even used the exact same words. I'd like to know how you would analyze them. I know you also said that this creative mind could be described by many other nouns and adjectives. Feeling good about myself I continued. "OK." was his only response." "Remember." He said. "I like this guy. Perfection and Immortality.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Funny you say that. Half smiling I added. He is cool and gentle too. which is translated in today's terms as Ahura meaning The Lord Creator. but get to know the essence. so it is not surprising that you would have used exactly the same words." He was simply listening intently. Wow. And again for ease of our discussion. created the Plan." He simply nodded." He was simply listening. Yeah we could become really good friends. we all tap into the same infinite intelligence." "Tell me more about the divine emanations. based on which the entire universe could be created. and I know traditionally as many as one hundred and one different names are used." "Very good." "Fair enough. I went on to explain. Action. "Let's face it." He requested just as gently. "What you said was that for the world to begin. I was hoping you would do most of the talking. "Well. I am impressed. and dishes them out too when they are deserved. So bear with me while I assume that I am teaching you. and Mazda meaning The Supremely Wise. the Law. It would be good for me to see if my philosophy was understood or not. as well as what goes where. 5 . I will stick to the English names of the emanations. "I suppose I should start from the six emanations. He takes compliments very well." I was thinking. First name them and then explain each one. But I suppose we learn most by teaching. They are the Plan. "For the sake of simplicity. The other day I was talking to a friend of mine and I told him exactly the same thing. when and how. first the Creative Mind. "And there is a basic underlying assumption: In the universe there is an infinitely powerful creative mind at work. A blue print if you will. the names you used are quite a mouthful." I said trying to be as humble as I could. But I think the point was to show that there are so many different ways of getting to know the Creative Mind that we should not deify the words or the names.
Perfection. and was created and sustained with infinite benevolent love. but also created it with infinite benevolent Love. had perfect principles to operate on. This emanation simply said that the Creative Mind not only actually created the universe. If action was the force of creation. which is Love comes into play. "OK. "In fact there is a clearing about 100 yards away from here. and I would appreciate having the sun shine on us directly. Nothing is created without action. But now let's get more specific." Zarathushtra said. Mazda decided to create the Law. I can easily explain it. but when applied to us or our works. "But can we move from here into a more open area? I am feeling a little cold." 6 . Universe was created as a perfect creation which was progressing along perfect principles to complete itself. was perfectly acted upon to create. and how did he know where the clearing was? * * * On our way to the clearing I asked him. You must get to work to create what you planned. progress and so on. then the universe was perfect. So I continued.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Which takes us to the How." He was still listening calmly." After a pause I added." Assuming that I needed to explain further I said." "OK. Let's start by you giving me some examples of how this same principle applies at a microcosmic level. "How do you know English so well. it becomes immortal and will continue indefinitely. Then Ahura in his infinite wisdom thought: `we now have the blue print." I said. and how do you know there is a clearing there?" He simply said. "I suppose this is the part that I still cannot come up with a metaphor for when it comes to the cosmos. Once the universe has reached its perfect completion. but for now just continue. and the rules of the game. If the universe was conceived perfectly. interdependence and inter-reflection. How could he speak English. "I will explain later." He requested. These included such principles as cause and effect. and how did he know all these terms like yard." This was another thing." "We should come back to some of these principles later on. the universe would work. the method. Start with human beings and go on to the works that we do." "And while Mazda was starting to act. "You must understand that perfection is not the same as completion." He responded. "Which finally brings us to immortality. without indicating whether I was on the right track or not." "Let's go. quality and ease of action became an important issue. "Which brings us to the next emanation. The Law was simply the principles based on which this creation. "I understood what you were explaining and agree with it in general. So the fourth emanation. Now let's get acting and let's create!' which brings us to the next emanation which is Action. Love was the quality of creation." He nodded to indicate that he understood.
"Some say when you referred to immortality." "What about immortality?" He asked. you were referring to the immortality of the soul. we think.." He said with his trademark gentleness. 7 . powerfully and lovingly.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra When we got to the clearing. After a few moments of just being there and enjoying the energy. the more quality our actions will have. Now if we do all of these things. But first I have to go back to the first four emanations before I can explain the last two. we eat. Principle of growth and progress." "This is all very well and understandable. we should continue to exist in the fifth dimension. Love of the animals and plants and inanimate objects. Each one of these involves action. The more loving we become. and rocks and rivers and the mountains and our planet. The laws as they apply to the four dimensional space-time continuum that we live in. And if we choose to leave the four dimensional world. "Then we must act regarding everything we want to do or achieve in our lives. Science tells us that this blueprint is genetically encoded in us. I suspect there is more to it than that. etc. And then there is benevolent love. Much in the same way as our blueprints are perfectly conceived and we abide by the laws of nature." He responded. in everything we do or say. "Am I using too many big words?" "I can understand them. a plan for our physical being on earth. We become perfect and complete human beings. the wiser we become. we must also think clearly and create perfect blueprints. facing the sun. we would be able to. The more lovingly we act. There are also certain laws that we must abide by. So there are principles. "Should I continue?" "Please. and I was standing. otherwise we will be beating our heads against a brick wall. However. I turned around and asked." I paused and asked. We must act to live. The point is that there is a blueprint. Love of all. "Well. based on what we just discussed. Then we come to action. etc. "OK." "Kind of like I am now?" He responded. What about perfection and immortality?" He asked. We are first conceived based on a blueprint. Our actions must be well thought of. so must our communications. "OK. I must admit that his retort made me question my own belief about whether I was talking to my subconscious mind or to the soul of Zarathushtra himself. I think if we achieve perfection in our lives. Everyone and every thing. absorbing as much energy as I could. Then if we choose to stay around for ever. Principle of cause and effect etc.. We breath. Our lives follow the same emanations as the Creative Mind. Immortally. I don't think it is limited to that. They must also be in accord with the natural laws. his eyes still displaying their bright glow. that perfection should include perfect health. but that is not the point here. Now let's get to the abstract stuff. we achieve perfection in our lives. let's first talk about human beings. he sat on a log. Feel free to use whatever you wish. This is the same love that Jesus referred to." He was simply looking at me.
" "Very interesting interpretation. and so implosion will correspond to completion. It is whether we are on the path of least entropy or not. "The part about perfection does not refer to perfectionism but to quality. contraction. and then you start all over again? Does restarting after completion make the universe any less perfect? Or immortal?" He responded. Even if my company goes out of business and I lose my job. communicating a message or performing a deed. explosion. because of the quality of my work people will remember me. My work becomes immortal and timeless. Even the Big Bang theory has a cyclical nature of void. Even if years from now the whole project is obsolete and destroyed. Conceive the ideal or at least the nearest thing to the perfect plan. Let's say in my work. The power in our action must be with energy and conviction. expansion. If I have planned it well and in accordance with the natural laws and the regulations and laws governing my project. That perfection in itself will last for ever. Otherwise we will find that our actions will be meeting much resistance and perhaps failure. "As I said a few minutes ago. it could be cyclical and perfect. "Well. "What about our actions?" I pulled my thoughts together and after clearing my throat said. Then we must act powerfully and lovingly. Letting the perfection speak for itself. then I achieve the perfect result. "Well. and if I perform my duty with power and love. How can this perfection continue for ever even after completion?" I asked. Others will seek me to work on different projects with them. expansion. all over again. The result of highest quality with least entropy." "That's fine. Should we be perfectionists?" He asked. I am working on a project. That is immortality. whether the action is thinking a thought. Most other philosophies refer to a cyclical nature of the universe. implosion. We must remember that the world that we live in is not complete but it is perfect. We must also recognize the natural laws which we must follow. For instance. one that embraces all. and if we have planned them well and in accordance with the natural laws. it's difficult to conceive of a universe that goes on for ever. but let me repeat some of my points before I come to the appropriate conclusion. and back to void. Perfection. we must first think clearly about it with our creative mind. let me explain this by giving an example. "For one thing. etc. If we put conviction and energy and love in our actions. The love in our action must be a benevolent love. So what makes you still question the perfection and immortality of the macrocosm?" He asked. in the quality of progress. Perfection is not in completion but in the process. then we will achieve the highest quality possible. explosion. my work will be recorded as that of the highest quality. What about immortality?" Zarathushtra asked. Then he said. That is perfection. 8 ." "You seem to have thought of everything in this regards. "Well. I have already explained most of it." "Now here is the interesting part. in anything that we do or anything that we communicate. can we not equate the time of contraction in your Big Bang theory to a time of near completion." He said with his usual gentleness. and with faith that we will achieve the desired results.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra He waited for a while. recognizing that I was deep in thought trying to digest what he just said.
thinking that I need some time to digest this. Time frame. I can be here with you and be with so many other people in different places. But let's just leave this subject here and maybe we will come back to it later. "That is fine. There is no space as you know it either. Then he went on to say." He said." "A paradox!" I said. I will see you here again tomorrow your time. It is to live timelessly. I understand how difficult it must be to try to see the fifth dimension from a four dimensional world." I noticed that I was almost pleading with him. In a universe where there is no time". it does not mean that the essence changes. "So how can you come here and be with me if there is no time where you come from? How can you walk in the woods from one place to another with me." I must have shown a very blank look on my face because he smiled slightly. in the macrocosm I was confusing them. "Well. "What about time frame?" was my natural reply. "I must admit what you are proposing makes perfect sense. In the fifth dimension. we are free from the constraints of time. "That's another thing. do you remember when I first saw you I was talking about the fifth dimension?" He responded. In fact is it possible for me to come back here and see you tomorrow? If you leave now can you come back? And will you come back? Because I still have a lot of questions to ask you. all at the same time. We do not get old. I agreed immediately. But let me go back to the time. "I suppose you could say that. "Yes?" "In your analysis you have completely ignored the fifth dimension. We just are. I will be here. "Can we take a break now? I need some time to digest all of this. Being immortal is not to live for a very long time. because remember where I come from there is no time. I am immortal and I am perfect. "I love paradoxes. except for the time that you were referring to the immortality of the soul. He smiled softly and said. you will see that immortality does not refer to for ever. because where I come from there is no time. Then I asked. It would not make any difference to me." "The paradox exists only if you look at it from the four dimensions." 9 . if there is no time where you come from?" I asked." "That is another thing.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra After pondering this for some time I said. "Well I am here now!" "Do you mean to say that your soul or spirit is immortal and that is why you are here now?" I asked. and how can you hold a dialogue with me all this time. but it is slightly more complicated yet a lot simpler at the same time. If you transcend to the fifth. In fact come here any time that is convenient for you. And that is how you become immortal. While in the microcosm I could separate completion and perfection. Just because the time frame gets longer." He suggested. It is simpler than that.
and as he said. It was then that I promised myself that if I ever write a book. all at once which is what really happens if there is no time? More importantly. if he has achieved perfection and immortality. be in different places talking to different people all at the same time. our time. when I finally collapsed of mental exhaustion and went to sleep. and if he has the ability to come to our four dimensional universe. Different ideas were circling around in my head. I was thinking it was lucky that his divine songs were fairly short. the light beam appeared again." I thought to myself. Ahura Mazda? If there is no time and no space. if there is no time. a few hours may have passed when I thought only an hour had gone by. I kept thinking about immortality and timelessness. There is a strange feeling when it happens but it is real. And as I took a couple of deep breaths of the fresh forest air. I realized that I had to take myself out of the four dimensions to even have a chance of understanding what he was talking about. It was not like most other religious books which were just too long and too involved. then can he also travel back in time and forward in time? If he can be in different places simultaneously. How can there be a place that could have no time. Then I remembered that sometimes during meditation I would lose all sense of time.m.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra * * * That night I could hardly go to sleep. then everybody who used to be individual and is now perfect and immortal must at the same time be everywhere and at every time. Could this be what he was referring to? But then on a more abstract level. I was walking and pondering what I was going to ask him when he would appear. I had even picked up the "Gathas" and read it a couple of times. One could read them in a couple of hours. just like Ahura Mazda. are there others who have done the same? Then can they also be doing all of this at once in no time? Can they simultaneously be everywhere. all together? Then would they not all be the same one who is everywhere at the same time? How can they be different individuals? Do we lose individuality by being in the fifth dimension? Then how come he showed up here as Zarathushtra. * * * It was early afternoon when I got to the forest. I would make it short and to the point. 10 . and he stepped out of it. Also sometimes when I was working on something that I really liked. "I must check my diet and what I have been eating lately. I would look at my watch and realize that time had slowed down for me. can he also be in different times at the same place simultaneously? And for that matter can he be in different places and at different times. Do we become God when we go into the fifth dimension? I think it was around 5:30 a. I wouldn't know if 2 seconds had passed or 20 minutes. the individual? What about the Creative Mind.
"Well you see. looking at it from the four dimensions." "As a matter of fact I was thinking about this exact same problem myself. I slept for 3 hours last night. I can be in different places at the same time and at different times. then I must have the ability to be everywhere at the same time and at all times." "Exactly!" I said with excitement." "Come on. I felt good about what he said. So are you saying that you are Ahura Mazda? Am I standing here talking to God? Or am I talking to myself? Did you create me or did I create you?" "Yes!" He said emphatically. aren't you?" He asked without any introduction.. "Well the problem is that you are still looking at it from the four dimensions. thinking that I got his argument to collapse on itself. "Well. then we could all be everywhere at the same time and all the time." He said as if reading my mind. "This is the perfect follow up question. "How are your thoughts coming along?" He asked with obvious concern in his look." I replied. "Fine. But let me not play on words here and continue with the questions. "The answer to all of these questions is yes. "Now the next obvious question is that if there are others who have reached this state." He said calmly. Here is a man of integrity who cares more about the content than the packaging. "What do you mean?" I played along. and my mind has been racing since I left you yesterday. What is important is if you get your questions answered. then would Ahura Mazda be an individual entity also?' What do you think?" Trying to evade the question I responded. 11 . we are either inside each other. the obvious question that arises is am I the only one who has reached perfection and immortality or are there others? And as I was telling you yesterday.. then are we and Ahura Mazda one? And if we are individualized. and if so is Ahura Mazda. or we are the same entity." "You know. I would prefer to make sense rather than convince you through my authority. "Go on!" "The next obvious question is: `but if we the perfect immortals are omnipresent." I pleaded. "And then the next question is then how can we be the same entity and be individuals simultaneously?" "I couldn't have asked it better myself.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "You are still sceptical about me. In the fifth dimension the word simultaneously does not apply." He smiled. it does not matter any way. In other words. "Do you blame me?" I responded. It is not important for you to believe in me or my existence." I replied.. one of the biggest problems this fifth dimension creates is the paradox of individuality.
"Are there any other scenarios that you could come up with which would logically explain the reason for this similarity?" "Not at the moment.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "This is the perfect human dilemma." "Yes?" "Now do you see any similarity between the Creative Mind of the macrocosm and that of the microcosm?" He asked patiently. It was not just the macrocosm but also the microcosm. "Let's assume that the reason the microcosm has the same emanations as the macrocosm is because of this similarity in essence. he was Zarathushtra. "Let me change the subject. you just want to confuse me and leave me in a philosophical black hole?" I asked rather angrily. "Yesterday you were talking about human beings having the ability to use their creative mind to plan and act according to the six emanations. then we would not have the six emanations apply to us?" I said with my mind still racing. "I'll try not to. We create God in our own image. "You would not understand it if I explained it to you." He said. And remember." "Then let me ask you a few questions. I thought for a minute and then asked. "So you mean if we did not have this creative mind of ours. In the one with capital letters and in the other with small letters. Now why should you think that I am acting sadistically?" "I apologize. "Yes?" "You also referred to Ahura mazda as the Creative Mind." "OK." 12 ." He said rather enjoying himself. Did God create us in its image or did we create God in our image? And we go round and round and round. I was the one who preached bringing benevolent love into our actions and communications." I said calmly deciding to give him the benefit of the doubt." I responded jokingly. After all. "Do you mean to say that the reason this applies to both the microcosm and the macrocosm is because we make the same underlying assumption in both? That of the creative mind?" "Wouldn't it make sense if we went by that?" He said. That of the existence of the Creative Mind. "Well. "What is the matter. "What do you think?" He said." He said with his trademark gentleness in his voice and his eyes. It will serve no purpose. Be patient my friend and don't get angry with me. Let me go to something different which may be able to help you later on. Now this becomes a circular argument. "Provided that you will not confuse me. are you going to help me out or are you going to leave me here stuck in my vicious circle?" I demanded." He smiled back and continued." He responded.
He nodded again and remained completely quiet. the Creator of the Universe?" I said impatiently. we become powerless." I said pleased with my answer. Realising that he was not going to help. "Well. "What do you mean?" I asked again with a question mark and a blank look on my face. Don't take it personally. "Look.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Then tell me what do you think of this similarity in essence?" He asked and remained quiet. our powers are much smaller too. and said. And you don't need to get angry with me. we said that the essence of the creative mind exists both in human beings and in Ahura Mazda. "Well. I mean to say that we can create anything that Ahura can create. But I thought Mazda was immortal and timeless. "Because our creative mind is much smaller. "What do you mean?" "I mean exactly what I asked." I responded quickly. I thought of getting back to him with questions. "No." He responded and grew silent again." He said again with his consistent gentleness. "So what you are saying is that quantity is the determining factor. "So what are you saying? That we can create anything that Mazda can in no time at all? Are we omnipotent like Ahura Mazda. but it takes us more effort?" He asked. "All I am saying is that you are still thinking about something five dimensional from the limitations of four dimensions." He said cryptically. I am not trying to confuse you. "Ah. I was embarrassed and apologized again." 13 . But because our mind is much smaller." I continued realising that I still had not asked him any intelligent questions. you just said the essence is the same. What do you think of the similarity in essence." He nodded. In other words the quality of our creative mind is the same as that of the Creator." "Not powerless. you have to transcend where you are thinking from to move on to the next plateau of understanding and realization. "but less powerful. "OK. Just bear with me if I lose it." "So you mean to say that we can create anything in the universe. I recognize that you have come a long way in your thinking. "We both have creative powers." I said. and it will take us the same amount of energy." I said sheepishly. but because our minds are smaller. it will take us a lot longer. but you have to expand your paradigm. Ours is a lot less than Ahura's. but nevertheless it is the same essence. You have to transcend that to understand it. let me try one more time but this time I will explain." "Thank you for your patience and caring." He found the hole in my argument again. So it will take Mazda a lot less time than it will take us.
because we and Ahura are one. in the fifth dimension we are perfect and immortal. You should also stop seeing yourself as separate from Ahura Mazda. "That in the Plan. we are one and we are all. To put it another way. just as he had the previous two days. yet there is no `where'. That regardless of our four dimensional experiences. We have Ahura's powers within us because we are Ahura." * * * We met again the following day. But we are Ahura expressing itself within itself in the experience of four dimensions as us. "You should stop looking at yourself as separate from the world around you. 14 . omnipotent entity is experiencing itself in the four dimensions with all the illusory boundaries and separations that exist. And that we are at the same time in the same place." Zarathushtra responded. "Recognize that you are Ahura and Ahura is you and you are me and I am Ahura too." His words were coming at me very quickly but for the first time I felt that I understood them. and with infinite benevolent love. it is as if the five dimensional omnipresent. we are conceived as perfect and immortal. Well. "A lot of mystics tell you to go and find God within. unless you understand where I am coming from. "Why me?" "Why not you? Besides. But we only reach perfect completion when we act perfectly and effortlessly. not in the sense of eternity or for ever and ever." He concluded. It is funny how quickly we get used to supernatural phenomena. The other half is that `we' live in God. you asked.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra I was relieved. Realise that in the perfection of the universe. you will easily confuse the essence of the `Gathas'. That I am you and you are me. We are also at the same time in all places all the time. and from other people who are alive or who are gone from the four dimensions and are living in the fifth dimension. I know it sounds like a mystical cliche. We are separate individual expressions of the one. but you must understand that it is all one. in the same patch in the forest. "Why are you telling me all of this?" "Because you wanted to know more about my philosophy and my divine songs. After taking some timeless time to digest all of this. We are Ahura Mazda. But by this time I had got so used to it that I could not think of any other way for him to appear. and we are the animals and the plants and the earth. We are everywhere. I asked innocently. within the bounds of the Law. that is a good way of finding God. He continued. through us. But when they say God lives in us. And that the universe and all of us within it are immortal in the sense of being eternal or timeless. There is no separation. regardless of our actions. in your heart. and the earth is the universe and that we are all one." "What has this got to do with the `Gathas'?" "Well. He made his grand entrance through the beam of light. that is only half the story.
So what do you suggest we should talk about?" "Let me ask you. you are not just omnipotent and omnipresent. Remember one of the one hundred and one names of Ahura means `All knowing'. Then immediately I said. I said. "Good morning. I do want to be here. "there is a lake about half a mile from here which is very beautiful and serene. "Seriously!" "Well." He interrupted." "Listen. When I saw him appear. "you have the choice to walk away from this discussion." He replied." It was about 11 o'clock." I said and we set off. but also omniscient. this is one of the perks of being perfect. Questions about timelessness and spacelessness and having Ahura's powers in the four dimensions. Shall we go there?" "Sure." "Most of them will be answered when we go through the songs. "OK." He interrupted. please don't think that you have no choice. now or at any time during our conversations. "How do you know all these things?" "It is one of the perks of being perfect. So seriously. a lot of what we were talking about was highly abstract..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra I had thought very hard about many of the things he had said and had prepared all my questions for him. "If you prefer the metric system I could just as easily have said it is about eight hundred meters. "what is your favourite prayer?" "The Ashem Vohu. I have a lot of questions to ask about what we were discussing. In any case." He was reading my mind again." He smiled back." while thinking: "So much for all the questions that I had prepared. Having no choice I resigned. Five dimensionally. So if you are here." He was amused and said. I was ready for him. I prefer you to just sleep over them for a few days. "OK. we have discussed enough for you to try to look at the `Gathas' from a different perspective." I decided to be quiet and enjoy the walk until we got to the lake. if you are perfect and immortal like Ahura Mazda. "Good morning." I said without hesitation." "But there are a lot of questions . "You are right.. I will assume that is because you choose to be here. While walking towards the lake I asked him. "Actually." How did he know all of these things? I dared again and asked him." He said. "Do you only work in the Imperial system? I mean you were talking about yards on the first day we met and just now you referred to half a mile. I was also determined to direct the conversation to satisfy my thirst for this knowledge.." I thought about what he said for a moment and responded. "Why?" 15 .
And if you follow this advice. and the other half is empty or at zero pressure. But to truly experience bliss. "Righteousness is the best Good. It is bliss and happiness. So the initial state is one half container of air at full pressure. starts from an initial state and ends at a final state. the process can happen in any number of ways. They taught us that any physical interaction that takes place." He smiled. One half has some air at a certain pressure . It makes you think." I smiled shrewdly." "Just to be sure that we are on the same wavelength." "OK. you will also experience true joy and happiness and bliss." "That is the most obvious." I replied. Happy and blissful is he who is righteous for the sake of being righteous alone." He smiled again. "Now tell me what is good? And what is right?" "OK. It is how you are. Let me give you an example. But mainly because it is short!" I responded." He answered while I was beaming with a broad smile.. He smiled again with his by now familiar gentleness. It is this approach that will bring us joy and happiness and bliss in this life. we have a number of ways to achieve this. You do not need any other reason for it.. good and right is anything that is in line with the universal progress towards completion. "Are you sure you want to hear my interpretation?" "I am sure. or what you do with least entropy. 16 . You really do understand this prayer. I could have been reciting this prayer out of some book that I had memorized." "Very good. to the point and full of meaning. let me say it in English rather than the original language. Now what does it mean?" He said with a smile. "Now. so the gas redistributes itself evenly. So I asked. and in the other half there is vacuum. You do what is right because it is right. Now for this to take place. Not because we will be rewarded by becoming happy. as a byproduct of your actions and approach to life. I realized that he was right. Now let's say you want to share the air equally between the two halves." "OK. Here we go. "Being righteous and doing what is right is the best thing we can choose in our lives." I took a deep breath and said.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Because it is short. So far easy enough?" "Yes. tell me what do you exactly mean by entropy?" "I learnt this in my physics classes." "Let's say you have a container divided into two halves which are separated by a partition." "OK. Well?" "Very good. The most obvious is to take the partition between the two away. "you are trying to get me into the old duality argument. Let me just say that to me. we must do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. The final state is both halves of the container will be at half pressure. "Tell me what does it mean to you?" "Well.
then return it to its original position and then remove it. Duality is day and night." "Go on . "Now back to the question of duality. That to me is duality." He replied. but we also use our creative and critical mind. So the path of least entropy is that of least waste. are wasteful. "You remember I said good is anything that is in line with universal progress towards completion?" 17 . The effortless path. "A third way is to take the partition 1/3 way into the vacant half. So now we can say it is either dark or light. in this physical world. But at night we say it is dark." "Give me an example. Tell me what is duality?" "Well. Tell me your opinion. according to what you said in the `Gathas'. a way of distinguishing them." "Darkness. when the sun is out. and then take away the partition. We will talk about the `Gathas' later." He said calmly. I understand. I can see this is also one way to do it. no matter whether it is useful or wasteful." "Good." He said and before I had the chance to gloat he added. The path that creates the least amount of chaos. except the first and most obvious one in this case. But my opinion is very similar to what you said. many ways of doing this. all of these ways. We use our five senses to achieve this." I continued. It is a way of separating. light and dark." "But you see. . We compare expected consequences with desired consequences." He interrupted. "Let's forget about the `Gathas' for now. Let me give some very obvious ones.. so we need a means of separating things. nevertheless.. You can't have one without the other." "OK." "Very well put. There are many. And all of the used energy contributes to the change in entropy." He said. there is separation because of the dual nature of light and dark. for us to exist in and experience the space-time continuum.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Another way is to move the partition away from the vacant half.. let's say 1/4 of the way along the container. There are different degrees of light and dark." "I get the picture. "but what about Good and Bad? Which of the five senses do you use to distinguish what is good and what is bad?" "OK.. Now you are getting into ethical or moral duality. "is nothing more than the absence of light." "OK. "OK. The graceful path." He said. we need to recognize things and distinguish them from one another." "Yes. For this we use some or all of our senses. During the day. "Well. and pressurize the full half of gas to a full quarter of the container at twice the pressure. They use energy to do unnecessary work." "This is getting interesting. Now tell me. we say it is light." He said calmly.
Truly grateful." He continued. I started looking at the scenery and enjoying the freshness of the air and the beauty of nature. Perhaps through intuition. and still nothing happened. gazing into the distance. I realized that the past few days of our conversation was a unique experience for me. and that reassured me a little. I assumed since he had written the songs. And the chill of the morning had disappeared. Then we use our critical mind to figure out the consequences of our action or inaction. And then we compare those consequences with what we thought would be universal progress. "It has taken us longer than you think. So I put my book down on a log and sat on the sandy beach. If they are aligned. * * * At 10 o'clock the next morning I was at the lake." "So what you are saying is that to have the experiences of the four dimensions in a joyous and blissful way. "Yes. we call them Good. I waited a minute more. but I should have something on paper to be sure. this would be a good opportunity for me to enjoy the beauty of the lake and perhaps even meditate a little. he would know what we would be talking about." He summarized. and for that I was grateful. we call them Bad. because naturally they would think that I had gone crazy. I was 18 . and which are also in line with the Law. regardless of whether I would ever see him again. The sun was warming me up just enough so that I would neither be cold nor hot. but nothing happened.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra He nodded. Although I would not be able to share it with most of my friends. I was meditating on the calm and waveless lake. I realized that I would cherish these brief meetings for the rest of my life. I could still use much of the wisdom that he shared with me." "Definitely something to think about. and we call them Good. I waited a moment for the light beam to appear. I decided that since I had nothing to do. we use our creative mind to see what is desirable and in line with the Law. "Let's meet here tomorrow and we will start talking about the `Gathas'. Then I decided to think of it logically. If not. What if he was not going to show up today? What if I had completely lost contact with him? I remembered that he said he would be here. the law of Progress. I had brought a copy of my favourite translation of the `Gathas' so I could use it as my reference. Then we choose to perform those acts." "What? Finish so soon?" I asked with disappointment. Suddenly a wave of panic washed over my entire body. You have been experiencing timeless moments!" He smiled back and walked through his doorway of light. Then we decide which of our actions will potentially bring results in a way of least entropy. "We use our creative mind to determine what is universal progress.
Then he gently said. I paused for some time." "Why did you think that?" He answered." But then I remembered that he had a way of knowing things. "The very fact that I have been talking to a guy who died at least 3 millennia ago is strange. "He could just as easily appear walking on water of the lake as stepping through a gateway of light. I guess it was another timeless moment. Why am I so easily startled by someone walking on water?" "Good morning." He said. trying to figure him out." He said calmly. and then we get to the specific verses." I responded. but time is not an issue for you. I am listening." I thought to myself. "Where do we start?" "How about we go chapter by chapter." I said finally." I thought. I said. and yet how quickly we are startled by other unusual events. "I thought you were not coming. You don't mind do you?" "Not at all. I thought you would not." "That is a lame excuse. over the lake and coming towards me. when suddenly I noticed a figure walking in the distance. But I have some general questions about the `Gathas' that I would like to ask first. even if they don't know it yet." "OK. Yes it was Zarathushtra. And since you did not show up on time. "I was the one who asked us to meet here. "Why am I startled?" I asked myself." "Wow. "You probably know what has been handed to us is the 72 chapters of the `Yasna' but our scholars only attribute 17 chapters to the `Gathas'." said Zarathushtra. even though I could not figure out how. "I only meditated because he did not show up. "I suppose this is one of the perks of being perfect to know when somebody else is going to meditate." and then asked. "I see you have brought a book with yourself. I assume it is a translation of the `Gathas'." "Yes I know. "Good morning." "Oh that. wasn't I?" "Yes. the figure did not disappear. Although the scene startled me.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra not sure how much time had passed." I said." "OK. In fact he continued approaching me. Shall we begin?" "Sure." "Yes. "this guy is not wasting any time today. and those are all distributed in different places. "My first question is: are we attributing the right chapters of the `Yasna' to the `Gathas'?" and thinking that I needed to explain. For the sake of our discussions you can assume that we are talking about the right chapters. You ask me general questions about each chapter. "The scholars have done a good job of isolating the chapters of the `Gathas'. "Exactly!" was his only response. breaking my chain of thoughts. I even thought. "I thought you wanted to meditate and I did not want to interrupt your meditation." It is curious how quickly we become familiar with the strange." 19 .
" I replied. You do a little invocation or prayer to Ahura Mazda to help you at the start of your work and throughout your days. "Not that I don't enjoy your company. Can we not group things together and just go to the basic message?" "OK. "In this chapter we have 11 verses. just trying to drive the point home. the purpose of creation. `First of all Mazda. "Let's go to verse 2. "OK. if we want to do this verse by verse. setting guidelines and ethical objectives for ourselves and aligning our work with the universal purpose?" "Right. How about each verse then?" He asked. and is easy enough to understand. "OK." "OK. "Let's talk about the general message. "Not that I can think of now. How it is packaged is of secondary importance. Chapter 28 it is.' How is that?" "Simple enough. You put a good word in. Each chapter stands by itself anyway. I pray that I will always remain truthful and righteous. Which chapter is that?" "It is chapter 28 in the `Yasna'. "but why do you think this has come first?" "Well." I said quickly. In the various verses you talk about what you are going to be talking about. "This chapter is kind of like an introduction." I responded with a smile." "OK. And by being so. and if we need more elaboration we will zoom in on the individual verses. He nodded and waited." He said and paused. what better place to start than acknowledging ourselves in relation to the Creator." He replied casually. And remember what is important is whether we understand the content or not. I may do my work in line with the universal progress." He said calmly. but I will come back to them if I have any." 20 . "Are there any other general questions?" He asked. we are going to be here for a long time. an acknowledgement if you will. And you kind of summarize a major part of your message." I replied." He replied. "but the order is not really that important." "Look.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Well done guys!" I thought to myself and asked." "Right!" I said and paused. and become and be wise. He smiled back but said nothing. "What about the order of the chapters?" "Oh I don't remember. but let's face it." He said calmly without taking it personally. collecting my thoughts as I was leafing through my book. Let's just go with the order in the book that you have brought. I suppose that would be a more holistic approach. a lot of the things that you have been saying are repetitive. Verse one:" I continued. for those who have been helping you along. "In fact the best thing is you tell me in your own language what each verse talks about. and have a clear and clean conscience." "I knew you were not going to make it easy. So let's start with the first chapter that you have.
you simply give the message as if it only applies to the physical world. "OK." He said." I responded still deep in my visual images of this abstract five dimensional world. and you can tell me what you think about each one. "OK." "Yes." I said knowingly. Imagine you have a two dimensional surface within a three dimensional volume. we can try something different. "He is not at all attached to his way of thinking or for that matter even to his songs. you can see how the four dimensional physical world is interacting and moving in the five dimensions." "Oh?" I declared my astonishment." "OK." I smiled back. The physical world is the reflection of the spiritual. But that is again only half the story. I think so. what is important is the message not the messenger or means of transferring the message. being the fifth. But if you look at the whole picture from the five dimensions. What about the spiritual world?" I asked." I thought. "I like the flexibility of this guy. you can not only see the surface.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "In fact I have a better idea. and how it turns around and twists and folds." I said. Is this picture clear?" "Yes. I suppose that is another example of caring more for the content than the packaging." "I like that. The spiritual world is also limited to its own dimensions. and every time I turn around. "First of all you must understand that there is not much distinction between the spiritual realm and the physical one. but what has that got to do with reflections?" I asked. "You see. The spiritual world is also the mirror image of the physical. "True. to apply it in your life. My first question is that you were talking about all this abstract stuff. and if relevant for you. * "Then ask me whatever you want. You can also see how the spiritual dimension is moving and interacting in all the dimensions." He agreed. And if that does not work. but how it moves around within the volume." "I understand." As if reading my mind again. your world is pretty limited. In fact one is the mirror image of the other. "You must understand. He said. What I really want to make sure about is that you understand the message. For the sake of our discussion let's call that the fifth dimension. the physical world is limited to its four dimensions. If you are sitting on the surface and cannot see the third dimension. * * 21 . but if you are in the three dimensional volume. So the spiritual world is limited to its dimension. "Let me ask you different questions about what is important today.
" He responded jokingly. the surface that you are holding will begin to turn. because they are rigidly fixed to each other. Shall we go to the next question?" I said impatiently." Why does he say things like that? So I asked." He continued. and a lot more free time to ask questions of spiritual nature.." "OK. and by having a better understanding of the entire universe." "Good. I understand." "Now let's say that somebody has come and welded these two surfaces to each other where they cross. you are a lot wiser than your age." 22 . "And I know you are immortal and timeless." "OK.." "Precisely." I played along." "Now let's say I am standing inside this volume and holding one of the surfaces and am turning it around the line of weld." "I understand. Generally the people of your time have a far better knowledge base. the other one will turn too. "and that is how in the five dimensional universe. You can devote more time to these things. they will both turn. "And so are you my friend." He said." He interrupted.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Try this. "so what you are saying is that one of the surfaces is the physical plane and the other is spiritual plane. the physical and the spiritual reflect each other." I said with a flash of inspiration. They don't have to worry about next winter's food on the table. I see that.. You just don't realise it. "Now what happens if I turn the other surface?" "Same thing. they would neither have time nor any use for it. or the attack of the next army of looters or king's soldiers.. It does not matter which surface you turn. "the reason that I was explaining things mainly in the physical plane was because I was a pragmatic man. So the angle between them is fixed and they are rigidly attached to each other.. and if you turn either one of them. you will value life and goodness a lot more." "You are forgetting that by your standards of time measurement. "Sure. In our three dimensional picture." "Yes. and I mean the five dimensional universe.. but so will the other one. I knew that I was dealing with a lot of people who at that time did not have any of the education or the comforts of today." "Now to go back to your question. I am a few thousand years old.. I see. "Is it pragmatic to say things like this to me? Why do you say such things?" "You are a lot more aware than the people of the time that I came to this world. imagine you have two straight and flat surfaces that cross each other at a certain angle." He then paused.. "Now tell me what happens?" "Well." "OK. You know. and continued. And unless they knew how this philosophy or way of life would apply to their day to day affairs. I am sold on the idea.
the seasonal cycle. How with spring. "I suppose I wanted to drive my point home.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "How did you come about this entire philosophy? I mean what made you go and seek things and eventually what gave you the inspiration?" I asked." I said trying to show him the positive side of it. and if there was any order to them. you can't help but realise that there is a natural order to the world. How autumn would see the tree shedding its leaves and waiting for another renewal. which I believe you called `Asha'. And that was just one tree. no harm done. "Oh yes. But I would look at a mountain and see its magnificence." I asked. Let me see if I can make it any simpler now.. I mean when you truly contemplate things you will see that there is order. I started contemplating the nature around me. Then for another long period.. You see. I mean I looked at things and tried to see how they were created. there is the Law. only to find more mountains. when you contemplate nature. How its fruits would sustain many other life forms.. "And that is why in one of the chapters of the `Gathas' you keep asking about the order and creation of different things. You see. I would see its way of going through the cycle of seasons. let me see . "Yes. and in fact you have devoted twenty verses just to ask different things. I would listen to the noises coming from the mountain at night. I would think of how many different plants and animals were dependent on the mountain for their existence and survival. most people of my time would see a mountain and would think of it as an obstacle on their path. Just like you were mentioning. And if there was order." I said quietly. And this was just the mountain. So for a long time I was wondering what was going on. yes. It is chapter 44. but you do make some very different points through these questions. It does get boring after a while. `Asha'. then what was going to happen to them.. There are laws and principles." "And that was the time you went into nature?" I asked." "Perhaps this is a good time to elaborate on the Law. here it is. and by summer it would be housing many birds and animals." "Then I would look at a tree and wonder how the seed of that tree generated a tiny plant which grew into such a large tree. live. I would look at the way people would cut a trek up the mountain and to the other side. "When I was younger. and how in winter it would dormantly contemplate the year that just passed. I kept on thinking that there must be more to life than this. I mean the cycle of day and night.. "You are right. how they grew.. or as fertile ground for their herds. birth-growth-death-decay-renewal. what they looked like. I would contemplate how large it was. or as a source of water for their family. I mean we can't just be born. and become dust. I would look at the snow caps and contrast them with the trees or the green pastures at the foot of the mountain and enjoy its beauty." "I see. I would notice how its colours would change at sun set or dawn.. die. Do you think I over did it?" "Well." 23 . life would become active in the tree. and how majestic it looked. and it would plan for the new year." "Was it that many?" He said half smiling." "I understand. I remember I had so many problems trying to explain this to people. And many other things.
`The Law'. "OK. but plenty of food for the animal that hunts it. you shall reap." I replied." "Well. So some of these will die of starvation while others will be hunted down more. when you realise that there is order in the universe. In my view." I said and paused." "True." "Yes I remember. but there is more to it than that. "One of these animals is man who has been using the resources available to him more than just for food. interdependence and inter-reflection.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "I'll promise to be a good student. their bodies decay and decompose and go back to earth. And so the balance will be restored. Let's say that we have an over-population of a certain animal which is eating all the vegetation that is available. there is an equal and opposite reaction'." "Perhaps they can be interpreted that way. Take it to a planetary scale. and they in turn feed the lower animals on the food chain. and we have been polluting the environment considerably. When these animals die. "Do you want to tell me a few of these principles?" "Sure. For example if we take the food chain. "Not at all. If the principles were changing. Well." "Let's start with cause and effect. "Yes. you have plants which receive their nourishment from the ground." He said." He asked. Otherwise they would not be able to regulate the physical world." He said. tell me about interdependence and inter-reflection. In fact you named a few on the first day." "You mean to say that we should not be flexible?" I asked. these principles must transcend the four dimensions to be able to work as a regulating and controlling means of an orderly physical world. "Can you now take the food chain and relate it to something else?" "Yes. The way I see this principle is that for every effect there was a cause. you also realise that this order must be based on certain unchanging and immortal principles." I said. to act as nourishment for the plants and so the cycle goes on. or as the Bible says. `Asha'. or like Newton said `For every action. After a while you get a shortage of food for this animal." "Very good. half jokingly. Break the chain at any one part and you affect the entire flow of the chain. It is a very dynamic thing." 24 . What we have done to this ecological chain has thrown it completely off balance. until you get to the highest animals. "Let me see. You see. these are a good place to start. which are hunted by higher animals on the chain and so on." "I was coming to that. then you would not have order. `what you sow. And all of this is because we don't recognize the principle of interdependence. "but I was thinking of something bigger. For example we have been destroying forests at an alarming rate. progress.' But all of these are within the confines of the physical world. What I am saying is that there are certain absolute principles that are independent of time or space. I asked that we should discuss them further. "The ones that I was mentioning were cause and effect." "I see. interdependence implies that everything in nature is interdependent with everything else. Before I answer this however." He smiled back. and if you recall." I replied. Now this imbalance will gradually move up the chain and come back to earth.
Long term should be 500 years or even 1." "Give me an example. Whether they are a resource or not is irrelevant. the harder it will come back to us in the future to restore itself. "Yes there is. maybe." He said with his characteristic calm and gentleness. yet crime is running rampant in our cities and is now spreading to smaller towns and communities. What I have noticed is that when you look at things on a very large scale and very small scale. "OK. but I get the feeling that there is more?" He asked. and both of these are reported by the media." "Yes. then we would know that the more off balance we go." He asked. Physical and psychological. Or the speed of the stars and those of sub-atomic particles are similar. In fact the principle of inter-reflection says that the macrocosm reflects the microcosm and vice versa. We see that the law enforcement has been strengthened considerably compared to what it used to be say fifty years ago. And the way news is reported is as if there is only bad news and worse news." "What about at the medium range?" He asked. but everybody's responsibility.. In fact it is nobody's fault. "No." "OK. For example the spiral shape of a galaxy resembles the shell of a nautilus. I guess trying to provoke me. Let's take our society.000. What we should really do is think of our great great grand children that we will never see. Making all these plants and animals extinct is limiting the diversity of what is available on the planet.. We see a lot of loneliness even when people are in crowds. What I am saying is we see that the state of the society reflects the state of the family. we find that kids are going to school carrying weapons." "So you say that it is the fault of the media?" He asked. Looking at the cities today. which was my cue to move on. "In fact there are a lot of similarities between different things at different scales. so below. There is never anything good about our society which gets on the headlines. Destroying the rain forests is making the situation worse." "I can see that you are very passionate about this.'" "Perhaps. "Now tell me about inter-reflection. and we see more pronounced abuse of children or spouses.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Continue. because we are all interdependent." "I get the picture." He said. "And then we look at our media reporting all the atrocities and the worst of the criminal behaviour. if we realized that everything is interdependent." He said. the reporters generally get there before the police does. Like the atom resembles the solar system. I mean polluting the oceans and destroying the plant life on the continental shelves has reduced the oxygen generating capacity of the planet. Perhaps this is why the mystics said `As above. "Then we look at the family. "Well. We have become so short sighted that long term for us is twenty years. there are a lot of similarities. 25 . And we see much less communication within the family." He replied. Drug abuse is phenomenal and generally there is a social decay. But also the state of the family reflects the state of the society. If there is a problem anywhere.
then to take care of our family. in line with the Law." 26 . "Yes it was in the `Gathas' Chapter 31 verses 16 and 18. and we will find that by default. "That we should look at ourselves first. One cannot exist without the other. I have pretty much said everything I wanted to. the village. It is not that negative after all." "Go on to the next verse where it is to do with evil." "Can you explain?" I asked." I said handing him the open book. when and how will this wish be fulfilled?' This is a pretty good and positive message." He was pensive for a moment. "Please remind me what I said. This whole thing becomes a chicken and egg situation where everybody is blaming somebody else. "Hmm. "Verse 18: `Do not listen to the untruthful and wicked. "No." I replied. Also because this is an inter-reflection. Everything you said makes perfect sense. "You tell me what they say.' I suppose to know what something is. Do you need to add anything else about interdependence or inter-reflection?" He asked. Once we have cleaned up our own act. and country. we must also know what it is not. and including the relationship between the physical and spiritual. a two way reflection if you will. we will create a better society. perhaps contemplating whether he could improve the verses or not." I responded. It is our duty to resist such persons and fight them with our spiritual weapons of purity of mind and righteousness. because such a person shall drive the home. Including the spiritual plane." He commented with a smile." "OK. Part of the reason you find emotional and social decay in the society today. will this person become one with thee? O Mazda. Verse 16 says: `I ask thee Mazda. but also there is an interdependent relationship between the physical and spiritual." "I guess you are right." "I think I have read this somewhere.. is because people have lost touch with their spiritual needs. country and planet. you know. things like loneliness or the drug abuse or the violence problem." "OK." "I think I understand everything you said. if a person with a good mind and a strong body earnestly works for the progress of the home. If we don't buy into what they present. after a while they will either go out of business or present what is useful and beneficial. "So what is your solution regarding the media?" "First we have to stop accepting the garbage they are portraying. "Not only is there interdependence on each one of these planes as you described it. We all need to take responsibility." "So what do you propose?" He asked. the media have to clean up their act too and come up with beneficial ways of reporting.. What I would add is that this principle applies to the entire five dimensional universe. the town and the country to destruction. Then he asked." I responded. Then let me add a couple of points to this whole thing. city.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra And the media reporting promotes and aggravates the already bad situation. except that it is only limited to the physical plane." "Here they are.
So what you are saying is the spiritual dimension creates meaning for our lives." I said. the physical gives purpose to the spiritual. if you believe in a creative power." I protested.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "What do you mean? We don't need some priest to tell us what is moral and what is immoral. and that is the end. That is spirituality. generally when we are more optimistic and positive about our lives. in whatever form. have you noticed how those who are generally appreciative of what they have in life. "OK. "True.. Just as much as the spiritual dimension creates meaning in the physical." I paused pondering and then continued. and as a result we become even more positive and so on. the lives of our great grand children are going to be just as meaningless as our own. then what difference does it make whether you act responsibly or not? Who cares if somebody blows up the entire world or not? Who cares about pollution and environmental destruction? Because after all. have more to appreciate?" "No. and there is no rational reasoning behind it. Grains of sand." "Give me an example. This is a growing cycle of positive feedback which is only possible because of inter-reflection. "First of all. similarly with inter-reflection. "What about inter-reflection?" "Well. so we might as well save them from ever having to face it. 27 ." "So what has meaning got to do with emotional and social decay?" I asked. if there is no spiritual plane or at least no possibility or relevance of having one. It has no proof. You display your faith by acting in line with the purpose and within the bounds of the Law in an orderly manner.. If there is no meaning to it all. then ultimately your life becomes meaningless. But the point is if you have no spiritual basis to your life. even if you don't understand it." I replied. our lives turn out better. you may have a point. Ultimately it is simply faith. Do you understand?" He asked. psychology is a modern attempt at trying to understand the soul." "Yes. A belief in a certain order in the universe which will create the results that you are seeking." I said picking points with his argument." "Yes?" "That faith is a spiritual faith.. At least you give yourself a chance. Nothing. and that is the reflection of the spiritual dimension on the physical. you would think that perhaps there is a meaning to life but I just don't know it." He must have seen my blank look because he explained." "I see. "Well." was my only response. we live. But secondly. a Creator and Sustainer." I asked. but this is psychological and not spiritual. we die." "Wow. So what was the point of it all?" "OK. "You see. the spiritual and physical inter-reflect each other. I mean we become dust. "Whereas if you come to understand that there is also a spiritual dimension to life.. "What I am saying is that there is interdependence. but come to think of it. then ultimately what happens is we are born. "Think about it. then you realise that there is order and there is purpose.
" "Wow." He suggested. You had absolutely no reason to know.." He continued." I replied. "Before you go." "Exactly.. "This is great. I like this format of discussion and I think it works..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "I think so. "what you are saying has a lot of implications." "And that is what I mean by inter-reflection between the dimensions. cause and effect. Are there any good coffee shops near where you live?" 28 . Seemingly unrelated and improbable coincidences." "I see. strengthening the level of faith and belief. these events are not causeless. I believe that is what you call them. One more thing. He laughed and said. and suddenly you just decide to slow down for no reason. I get the point. "Now let's go back to cause and effect. but you just knew and sure enough it was that person? Have you ever thought about wanting to do something. An effect which seems to have no physical cause.. "Sure. Let's meet here again tomorrow.. then you will be able to accept that the physical achievements and progress are reflected back into the spiritual dimension." "What you will find is this: A lot of times something will happen on the physical plane without any apparent reason." "How come your T-shirt never gets dirty? You have been wearing this same outfit everyday that we have met. Their cause is in the spiritual dimension and their effect is in the physical.. "Have you ever been driving. can I ask you a personal question?" "Yes." Then he continued "In fact I have a better idea." "If you understand this. There are also spiritual effects that have their causes in the physical plane. "Another one of the perks of being perfect." "Like what?" I demanded." He replied. and that same day or perhaps the next day you end up in a situation that leads you to doing that thing? Synchronicities. and a moment later you realized that you were just saved from a bad accident? Or have you ever heard the phone ring and you just knew who it was." "Well." He responded and paused for a few moments for me to gather my thoughts. I have. "Yes." I said it finally. but we better conclude for today. and it never gets dirty.. "You recall I was saying that cause and effect is not just applicable to the physical plane?" "Yes." "OK." I reflected his comment. Shall we continue in the same way?" I asked. We have been discussing a lot of material and you need to think about them..
"Yes. But it is kind of trendy. I was wondering how he was going to walk into the cafe tomorrow. I was planning to write some questions about life in our day and age. "I mean where did you appear?" "Oh. I think I would have been surprised if he had the rings in his hands." "Good. So I decided to just think of what we had discussed. but this time he was wearing a bleached purple T-shirt with three ear rings through one ear and a ring through his nose. Zarathushtra was nowhere to be seen. Hi. "I like the way it feels. I slept like a baby that night. the rings had disappeared. "Can I at least keep one ear ring?" He asked. I will dress appropriately. Georgio's cafe. He simply put his hands on the table. or something strange. except the one ear ring. 29 . Through the wall perhaps." He said casually. and let the conversation of the next day evolve as it would. and how he completely ignored them. There were a few people there. Then I remembered the last time I had prepared my questions. I turned around and was surprised again. Then he covered his nose with one hand and his ear with the other." He replied and walked off over the lake and out of sight." "OK. * * * That evening I sat still with a note pad in front of me and a pen in my hand. He had his faded jeans on. No rings in them. thinking about all the things he had said. * * * I went to Georgio's cafe at 2:30 in the afternoon. I said. "The rings have got to go! You are overdoing it. But they have got to go!" I insisted." "And good afternoon to you too!" He replied. Suddenly I felt somebody's hand on my shoulder. For some reason I was not at all surprised." I agreed reluctantly. Let's meet there. in the bathroom. but it was not too crowded. Then I went home. He sat down facing me. but they were empty. I ordered a cup of coffee and sat down facing the front door. But just one. "How did you get here?" I asked.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Yes. and what Zarathushtra had to say about them. and as he removed his hand.
"I am surprised! You don't have any notes or questions to ask me?" "Do you remember the last time that I did?" I replied." I replied and we both sipped our coffee a little. Finally he said. "For one thing. "Asha is the sum total of all the timeless principles of the Universe. you are going with the Law. We then waited for the waiter to serve his coffee. or anything else. It may get very busy but nobody will listen to what we talk about. I guess each one waiting for the other to start." "You give up too easily my friend. And whenever in doubt." He said very simply. Finally he started. "You should look after your health. I am perfect!" Then we both paused." He said. "Remember. I suppose I'll take the initiative to start." He said. may we turn our hearts and thoughts to Ahura Mazda.' It was chapter 30 verse 9. Work according to the Law." He said. check to see if what you are doing is in line with natural and universal progress or not. or a relationship. and there will be times of doubt. make sure it is progressive. "What? I am surprised. if not. "Let's go to something else. always be a renewer of the world." I responded. One who works towards progress. `The Law'. it implies that if you are struggling at what you are doing." "What does that imply?" He asked.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra The waiter arrived with my coffee." I said." He said calmly." "What else?" "If you are thinking of choosing a job." "I do!" He replied." I continued. "Are there any other principles you can share with me?" "Maybe later. "You see. you are resisting or struggling against it." He said. If you flow with the progress." I said. Asha. "Yesterday we did not get to the law of Progress. "And that brings us to Asha. "This place is all right. And move on. which is progress. "You didn't even give me a chance. Tell me what do you think it is?" "I think that it simply says the world is progressing in an orderly manner towards completion. May we work in accord with Asha and whenever we are wavering in our doubts." 30 . In fact. turn your mind and heart towards the Creator and the purpose of creation. "Coffee please. "It makes sense. "Yes it is." "Good." "So how would you describe `Asha'?" I asked. and asked Zarathushtra for his order. closing my book. "to me what you are saying is that since the world is going towards completion. in one of the verses you said: `May we be among those who renovate and renew the world.
just as there is a difference between `Good' and `Creator'. "In fact in chapter 31 verse 11 you talk about the same thing. physical and spiritual." showing him the page. ways and consequences of each spirit." "Yes. "that there is a difference between `evil' and `devil'. one was good and the other evil in their thoughts.' You see." 31 ." I replied turning the pages in the book. I shall explain about the Creative Mind. Now we get to verse 2 which is perhaps the most quoted of your verses. which you called `Ahriman'. here I am not talking about consequences." "First you must understand this. Because each of you constantly faces a choice between good and evil.. "Well. the plan. it explains the total freedom of choice that we have. We were given mental power and wisdom. I recommend that each of you choose the way of the Good before you leave the physical plane. "Here is chapter 30. Now let me elaborate. words and deeds. soul and body. "OK. "There is one topic which many books discuss and it has become a thorn in everyone's side. listen to my message. You said: `In the beginning there were the twin spirits. verse 1." I said." "OK. A lot of books." I said turning the pages.' Easy enough." "OK. Remember that I was speaking to the crowds who had gathered to listen to my message.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "OK. each one of you for yourself." "What is that?" "The two spirits!" "Oh that!" He said. What do you have to say about that?" "Give me some evidence of this in the `Gathas'. "Chapter 30 verse 3. scholars. but about our endowments. to the wise one and those who want to find out. Let's take your book here. We were also given the power to act and speak and teach. Asha. I say to them: `With your most attentive ear and your most thoughtful and open mind." I jumped at the opportunity. Instead. right?" "Right. And we were given the complete freedom to choose our physical path and spiritual faith.' Then for the next six verses you compare the different choices. "I start by saying: `Now I will speak of the two phenomena. I knew it would be inevitable.. "Yes." "I can see why it has an appeal. Thirdly you are quoting me out of context. Look here it is." He replied calmly. yourselves. Secondly there is a big difference between `Spirit' and `Creator'. Ahura Mazda created us in two complementing natures. so tell me what is your question? We might as well deal with it early on. go to chapter 30 and we will go through the verses and I will try to explain. In this verse I said: `From the very beginning. and even encyclopedias claim that what you proposed was a dual system of belief. It is different though. as well as how you can achieve perfection and have the light of knowing and bliss.. Here I talk about the principle of choice.' Would you agree that this is just an introduction?" He asked." He started patiently. About our ability to choose. in that it does not give a choice between this or that. And that the wise will follow the first while the unwise shall follow the way of evil and be lost. Then consider it carefully. Our complete freedom in making our choices. That from the beginning there was God and there was the Devil.
but the wisest. "In verse 5 I give some examples: `The unwise choose the worst actions. shall enjoy the best mental comfort and spiritual state." I requested. The wise will choose the right spirit or mentality. And this principle is timeless. purity of conscience. "I expand on this notion and say: `When this duality was conceived. "Verse 7:" He continued. "Good. "I have not lost you yet!" "Earlier on. and lives the purpose of his/her life. For as long as there is time. They doubted because of their fear or their anger. they will then realise the power of the Creative Mind. "Sure." He continued. have faith and choose progressive action. How does it sound so far?" He asked. you face evil ones. While those who choose truth and Good." I smiled in agreement. All I want to add is that this verse says: `Those who have chosen the good mentality always work towards progress and 32 . You have complete freedom of choice. "Verse 6: `The followers of the evil mentality made the wrong choice because of their doubts." "Carry on. love for all. Now shall we go back to the controversial 30:3?" I asked. shall have strength and stability of mind and body. Is it clear now? There is no `Devil'.' In other words. If you choose good. These are the cause of all evil.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "I understand. from the very beginning was Good and Evil.' In other words. good thoughts.' This does not need any further explanation. Those who had chosen the evil mentality shall face the worst mental situation as the consequence of their choice. it is wise to adopt the good mentality. you face good consequences." "I understand and thank you for clarifying it for me.. And this situation shall continue for ever. But the unwise shall make the mistake of choosing the wrong or evil mentality. Choose the right path. the first outcome was life and non-life or false and purposeless existence. those who use their purest creative mind and their ultimate knowledge and wisdom. They will also learn how they can correct their ways and choose to abide by the Law. even if you have chosen a false mentality up to now.' So you see. choose the Truth.' Or to put it another way. here is the principle of cause and effect." I said while he sipped his coffee. what I am saying is that in my judgement. and faith. if you choose evil. use your purest mind. Such a person shall undoubtedly be successful in life's challenges." "In verse 4. Now in the context of freedom of choice between good and evil I say: `The dual spirit or mentality on the physical plane. it will continue. you gave me a version of verse 9. There is no conspiracy to drive you astray. and destroy the peace of mind of the people.. and for the sake of progresses. your intuitive and acquired wisdom. words or deeds could be either good or evil. Also the person who chooses beneficial actions with full faith. They will be good. Our thoughts. "`One who has spiritual strength. you can realise your wrong ways and remedy them immediately. chooses the truth. because it is the right thing to do. And shall be considered as one who serves Universal Progress." I nodded and sipped my coffee.' "Verse 8: `When followers of evil mentality face the consequences of their choice.
And if we use our right mind. Somehow I trusted his choice and did not doubt his knowledge. good and evil. and goodness will bring us abundance. It is very frustrating." He replied. By now we had reached the park. and if we realize that evil mentality will bring us suffering." "I understand." He responded. That is heaven. We both looked at her and then I asked. It is a state of being. It says that the dual spirit. happiness or misery." "So do I. That is like heaven. then they eliminate all evil." "I hope we won't need to repeat this again. "You keep on talking about the freedom of choice." I said while walking to the park." I nodded. I noticed a homeless person passing in front of us. all shall live by their creative mind and according to the Law. As soon as we sat down. We picked a bench. we will automatically be saved from misery and delivered into happiness.'" "I understand. "Sooner or later we will. Do you want to tell me that this person chose to be homeless? Are there no circumstances that happen to you which are beyond your control? Which you did not choose?" 33 . It was sunny and warm. By our nature. because it is a fitting conclusion. I'd like to catch some fresh air." I said. The Creative Mind. You know. And we have the choice. Where shall we go?" "To the park around the corner. "Let's go somewhere else." I did not even bother to think how he knew there was a park there.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra completion. "But I guess it was necessary to explain this duality issue. And Universal Progress. then we all know exactly what to choose. there is only one desirable conclusion. taken responsibility. Ahura Mazda. Then. and convert to the way of Good. "Notice that heaven is a consequence of our choices. when it is just a monologue.' I suppose it is apt to have this as the last verse of this chapter. "Verse 11: `If we all realize and understand the laws of happiness and misery. they go back to the source of their inspiration. Cause and effect. and whenever they face doubt." "OK.'" He continued." was my only reply." "But you are assuming we will use our right mind. And that is when the desire of all those following good mentality will be fulfilled. * * * "Boy that was a marathon. I don't enjoy this kind of long philosophising. I have been misunderstood and misquoted so many times." "Verse 10: `When all those of evil mentality have seen the consequences of their choices. "Yes. will bring dual consequences. This is the Law.
"Now what can she choose? She does not have many options. Nowhere was it written that she should live like this. She should also recognize that the past is finished. "First that if your past choices created your present consequences." He replied calmly." "And what is the second thing that you learn?" I asked." "Tell me how this applies to the bag lady that we just saw?" I asked. and even if she thinks it was in her karma. wondering where this was leading to. then your present choices will determine your future consequences.' The key is to `face' the fact that these are the consequences of our choices. and is addicted to the alcohol that she was drinking to make her forget her pain. The principle of choice is not about blaming yourself. "you must not confuse the principle of choice with what happens to you.. This is the other 34 . she could transcend it. "Then she should realize what she is facing is the consequence of her choices in the past. It is about taking responsibility for your life." "What do you mean?" "What freedom of choice implies is that in the face of any event or external situation. There is no point in blaming. She was not born a sinner and this state of affairs is not her payback for her sins. He continued. That no matter how bad it is or it seems to get. And you can choose how you are going to respond to them. Is that miserable enough?" "It is a starting point. at least in the four dimensions it is. there is a way out. you are still the master of your mind." I replied shamelessly. "The second thing that you get by analyzing your choices is that you will learn what didn't work for you in the past.. But this is not to be taken as blaming herself. She is not going to change the past." I was listening intently. "Two things. It was not in her genes to be homeless. You can choose to think whatever you want. Nothing can be achieved. This is what verse 8 talked about where it said: `When the followers of evil mentality face the consequences of their choices." He replied. does she?" "Yes and no. and does not have a penny to save her soul." "So what do you gain by analyzing your past and the consequences that you are facing?" I asked impatiently." "Go on. And as you remember from verse 6 that we were discussing. And let's also say that she is afflicted with terminal illness.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Sure there are. She does not have many options but she does have enough. they will then realise the power of Creative Mind. Blaming is a result of guilt which comes from fear. You can interpret the events in any way that you please. and so you will not repeat the mistake." I challenged him. Let's assume that she just left an abusive relationship. "OK. She should not think that she was chosen for a life of misery. fear leads to the unwise choice. "The first thing she should do is to stop living in the past.
instead of a miserable and purposeless existence." "What do you mean?" "I mean by not making a decision to do something about your circumstances. she will live a much better life. Even if the work does not pay her any money. 35 . when you become perfect.' makes sense?" He asked. "Let's say she realises that continuing to drink does not help. He simply walked into the public bathroom in the park and closed the door behind him. it will keep her attitude healthy and active. Maybe we can rent a boat or something. startling me." "I guess you have a point here. I said work. and I was pensively silent. "Let's meet at the lake tomorrow. and her health may improve too." "What about her terminal illness? How can she heal that?" I asked. And eventually she will be able to perform some kind of work which will generate her some income." I responded. I waited looking for him to appear over the water." He responded." "OK. or you can choose to take responsibility for the rest of your choices and therefore your future." was his puzzling and cryptic reply. "I didn't mean to startle you." "What if she can't find a job?" I interrupted. but she is addicted. * * * The next day at the lake. you do not want to remain here for ever. In this way. and so you become a victim of your inaction. She can start searching various shelters and churches and other organizations to help her overcome her addiction. even if there is no money coming in. "Sort of. We paused for a while. But then again. we are all going to die some day. "The point is that even if her illness is not healed. in a better mental and spiritual state for the remaining days of her life." "Give me an example. "I did not say a job. But he came from behind. She can try to look for work or some way of generating some income for herself. "Let's take the case of our bag lady." I replied waiting to see how he would disappear this time. At least there will not be any leaks. After all. but how does responsibility come into the picture?" "Responsibility is the choice." He apologized. "Unless we become perfect and choose to remain in the four dimensions.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra part of verse 8 which says: `They will also learn how they can correct their ways and choose to abide by the Law. We dealt with blame. Then he said." I asked. you choose to accept the status quo. she will also save so much money that her penniless state will be alleviated. You can either choose to become a victim of your inaction.
don't do that?" I asked. "We will discuss this in a different context later. "Verse 5 appeals to the fourth emanation." He replied.' Effectively this verse says that we must do what is in line with the law of progress. Second. hence leading all creatures to light and truth. and in a loving manner. But why did you have to make it so cryptic? Why did you not come right out and say do this. We must toil for Mother Earth and the progress of the world. They bring strength to our soul and renew our lives. all with Mother Earth. "Let me see. this verse describes the interdependence of life. * * * 36 . got in and started rowing." "Well?" He responded. We can talk about this later. but other than saying we should respect it and act in accordance with the Law. which is taking responsibility to think clearly. You make a few references to Mother Earth. Creator covered Mother Earth with vegetation and food for people since the beginning of life. How can you be loving towards Mother Earth and abuse it? Third. you don't say much else." He said and started walking along the lake shore." He replied. Such is the wisdom of the Creator and the timelessness of the Law. vegetation." He said. creatures and humanity." "What do you mean by `light and truth'?" I asked." "OK. rule over us. `O love and faith. Then I asked. save us from tyrants and bad rulers. "Now we get to the core of my philosophy. and let the good and just who is guided by wisdom and good and clear mind. "Look." I protested.'" "This is a pretty utilitarian approach to the environment and the root of what is causing all of our troubles today. "First of all. "What do your teachings say about the environment?" "You have the book. I suddenly realized that we were in front of the boat rental office. love and faith. tell me what do you mean by verse 5 and 6 of chapter 48. if you notice both these verses start with appealing to love and faith. "Now to verse 6: `Love and faith are our safety and security." I handed him the open book." "Let's go and rent a boat. Let's rent a boat.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "No problem. you tell me. Included in this is what is right for the planet and all creatures on it. These are the true attributes of the pure mind. We rented a rowing boat for two and put on our life jackets. I followed and rapidly caught up with him. Of course I paid for the rental because there is no money in the fifth dimension. they both refer to the pure mind. which tells us to ask our conscience and intuition to create the `Good Plan' in our approach to the environment. I am convinced.
how come you have to put on your life jacket?" "You can too! Why do you?" "I am serious!" "When on earth." "All right.. How nerves and hormones would try to regulate all aspects of the body with an adaptive and dynamic feedback control system. "When I studied human anatomy in my high school biology. and make sure that 37 . We have learned about the time earth was a mass of molten rock cooling down. no. Well. Then he pointed to the serene landscape and said. "The point is to not get bogged down with the language that I used to ask the questions." He replied with a smile. the moon. Then came the solidified surface with its many volcanic activities. But what is your point?" I asked." "Exactly!" He replied. I mean some of them are in too much of a poetic language." He interrupted. Language that describes the galaxies as heavens and so on. "Have you ever thought how all this came about?" "Sure I have. He asked me to stop rowing. the plants or animals. no.. The point is to look at nature. you cannot begin to know the fifth dimension. a lot of the order can be described mathematically. "I mean have you ever thought how all of this was created and maintained? Where did the order come from? How were the laws of universe created? What triggered the creation of life? What created the creativity and consciousness in human beings?" "Oh you mean like you asked in chapter 44?" I asked. not exactly in the way you ask the questions.. I understand the questioning. "The point is unless you start contemplating such questions. Then the rains began. How the blood circulation system would move massive amounts of food and oxygen. I asked. creating the bodies of water. "You can walk on water. I was amazed at the complexity of the system. "Yes! Have you ever contemplated this?" "As a matter of fact I have. the waters or the winds. We were in the middle of the calm lake before we spoke again. Let me tell you about some of my contemplations. "Yes but what or who decided that the order should follow these mathematical laws and not some other ones. Any part of it that you want. The sun." "No.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra When rowing away from the shore." "Please do. do as the earthlings do. Then to ask yourself what was the intelligence behind all of this? Was this all a spontaneous result of a cosmic accident? Or is there an order to the world?" "Well. What about the very beginning? Who decided to start all of this? Can a cosmic accident happen out of nothing?" "OK Z. They are too metaphorical to take them literally." He said with much joy in his voice. the skies." I replied. the mountains or mankind. since you described yours in the `Gathas'.
"I could not help but marvel at the level of intelligence that had gone into the design of such an amazing organism. when I was inspired in my search.. "Very good. "Because this is the perfect place to tell you. Just like you saw God in the human anatomy. It is simply amazing. since you seem to be a lot more alert. is to satiate all your senses and your mind and soul. It is by far more complex and wonderful than the most sophisticated space crafts of our time." He replied. "How can there be so much intelligence all around us without there being an intelligent creative force? It is just too improbable for all of this to happen as a result of a cosmic accident. Zarathushtra said. "Well. Third. How the autonomic nervous system coexisted with our brain's voluntary functions. Look around." I simply listened. Observe. I was also a lot more alert and much sharper in my mind. and realized the experience of how the universe worked." I simply nodded. And the same system would carry the waste away." He continued. Second. but why not indulge yourself in all of this? Just be here for a while and experience the majesty of Ahura Mazda with the six emanations. "But to see this much magnificence. "Nobody can tell you about the Creator and convince you of its existence." "Which one?" I asked quickly with a smile. The experience was wonderful. because we returned the boat late and I had to pay for another hour. Take your time to experience the magnificence of all of this intelligence. This is perfection and immortality. in the middle of the lake." "Yes. for more than an hour. all in one place. I had to overcome a few challenges." "But I thought `You could see God in a raindrop'.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra every cell of the body would receive nourishment. "When you asked me about the cryptic nature of my teachings.. Feel it and know it for yourself." * * * We must have been there." He replied. The essence is the same. And so on and so on. I had to make sure that it could all be absorbed in a gradual 38 . But it was worth it." "That is exactly what I mean. You have to experience it for yourself. You don't need all of this." "Of course you can. I was joyful and so much more energized. "I think we can now discuss the question that you asked earlier. And this is a good way of doing it. the language was limiting." He smiled back. "First of all I was talking about eternal or timeless laws and processes." "So why do you tell me all of this in the middle of this lake?" I asked." He said enthusiastically.
but unsafe sexual practices could be deadly." "Give me a practical example. while at the same time. without getting into the spiritual aspects of it. if necessary. premarital sex is not of itself bad. That is your own individual choice." "There is." He responded. But timeless principles are applicable always and in every situation. would be `look after your physical and emotional health. premarital sex would have led to unwanted pregnancy and was considered a taboo. Back in my days. What I mean is that people who were at a simpler stage of spiritual development could interpret the songs in a way that would help them progress. and was OK. The prescriptive solution is to say do not practice premarital sex." He replied. as well as the health of those around you." "But the timeless principle. "Not at all." "These three issues caused the `Gathas' to be written as divine songs. "I mean the physical and emotional health of your partner.." I said. "I am not saying either way." "You mean being diplomatic and covering your back?" I asked. So now. "Even today what the scientists cannot explain. I understand about your own health. do this." I asked. I think the illustration is graphic enough. So premarital sex became the norm. and finally only do if safe. but what do you mean by the health of those around you?" I asked. the poets can try to describe.." 39 . "OK." "Go on. was because each prescription is only applicable to its own situation. that it would allow different levels of interpretation." "I see." I urged. As poetry. and the possible outcome of the intercourse. "OK. then do. "But the only reason I did not give any prescriptive guidelines. the more advanced along their path could also benefit.'" "OK. the baby.. But I think there is more to it than you have said so far. I understand. "but let's sit down for a while and talk." "Aha. Remember interdependence? We are all interdependent." He replied. Then a few decades ago safe and effective birth control means were created.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra and progressive manner. you know." "So are you saying the premarital sex is good or bad?" I asked. Now let's just stay in the four dimensions.. The promiscuous attitude of many lead to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases." "Yes. don't do that." "You have to consider a lot of things." "Precisely. some of which are deadly. But I am trying to illustrate clearly what I mean by timeless principles. without getting to the moral implications. your families. don't you?" "You bet. "OK.
We are all able to act according to the law of progress. "I don't understand.. we may not all have the same physical tools. but spiritually we all have the same potential. I am not responsible for your life or your choices. "Yes. And what tools are your referring to anyway?" I asked. and we are responsible for the consequences of our choices.. And we all have the freedom to choose whatever we think. "We are also endowed with a conscience. You `do' what you like with it. Now you go and do what is appropriate for you. 40 . "Look." He replied. to do what is right. and to help the progress of the world towards its completion." I nudged him along. So we are responsible.K." "All right.. That is. It is about a way of looking at life. So we are all endowed with the potential to achieve perfection and immortality. In the `Gathas' I have given you all the tools that you need. "And since we and Ahura are one." I said hesitantly. then you will see that you have all the answers in every situation.. If you can change your paradigm. speak or do. love and faith. and in this way achieve perfection and immortality. "Then we are all responsible to make our choices.. But what do you `do' with all of this?" I asked. power. in our own way. we are also given the choice to think." He said forcefully.. "OK." I protested. "What about those who are physically or mentally handicapped?" "First of all I said that we have the right to fulfil `our' potentials and not somebody else's. and made of the same essence. with full conviction. Even the mentally handicapped have an instinctive understanding of what is right and good. Second. "The `Gathas' is not about prescriptions. he faced me sitting in the sand. "Do you remember that I said the main point of this philosophy is to take responsibility?" "Yes.. and what is not." "You mean I don't `do' anything with the `Gathas'?" I asked not believing what I just heard." He said gently. speak and act according to our choosing." "Let's assume that you are correct. "A way of looking at life?" I asked very puzzled. All you need to do is see the situation clearly and apply the right solution to it.. and look at life and universe from this perspective.. and started.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra * * * Sitting on a log." "But we don't all have the same potentials. It is not about what you `do'." "O." I summarized." "The way I look at it is that all of us human beings are endowed with the same gifts: The ability and the right to fulfil our potentials.
and will correct my ways in the future. * * 41 ." "So you shift paradigms." I replied. And hopefully it will help you move into a more expansive paradigm. Look.. And if you see your mistake." I replied. "Good.. because you can't be everywhere with everyone to tell them how to respond to every situation. If you are wrong. "Well. "Because at that time. make a decision. I will simply learn and move on. when you face any situation that requires a response from you what do you do?" He asked. I evaluate the situation. you try to correct the information or belief and shift your paradigm to a more expansive one for your future choices. that you can have a life of joy and bliss. your responses and your thoughts and words and deeds will be more appropriate. if at the time I thought it was the wrong choice or decision. "But let's start walking again.." "So what you are saying is that based on your current paradigm you make the best choice." "Wrong!" He replied.. "What?" "You read the divine songs and you try to understand them the best way you can." "But if you are wrong. why did you respond in that way in the first place?" He asked. I would not have chosen it. I did not have enough information or experience to show me that I was wrong. That is what you do with the `Gathas'. use my best wisdom. and respond accordingly. That you can create heaven here on earth. it is because your current paradigm is limiting you." "Exactly. and what I have learned..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Right now in your life." * "I don't get it!" I protested. "I suppose my current paradigm." "You got it." "What if you are wrong?" "Then I am wrong. My beliefs. One which is empowering. positive and hopeful. experiences.. I may be ignorant but I am not stupid." "I see. One which says you can attain Ahura's powers. . "And because you see things from a more expansive paradigm." He replied." "Wonderful." "Yes. One that makes you realise that we are not limited to our five senses and this physical four dimensional universe." "What determines your best wisdom?" He asked.
omnipresent. to tell them how to respond in every situation. That at a sub-atomic level. Now is it more clear?" He asked. Different shapes too. But we do not tell anyone how to respond unless they ask. We are one with the ocean. "In the four dimensional plane. We can. but I don't understand. telling them how to respond?" I was completely confused. But our essence is the ocean. We are the ocean. some foaming." "Yes. Do you understand?" "I think so. your spiritual dimension is the same as Ahura." "OK. "Remember the other day I was telling you that we are all one?" "Yes. "Yes." "OK. and Ahura and you are one?" "Yes. Through the message of the `Gathas' I have been shifting paradigms. And we are all the same as you. I can see that." I replied." "There is more to it than simply energy. and to deny everyone 42 ." He replied. the supremely wise. your soul.. "but we will discuss that later." "Please!" I begged. some are rolling. We are also the wave. To deny you your freedom of choice is to deny Ahura the same freedom." I replied slowly." "Remember I said that you and I are one.. "I remember. Depending on how you look at it. you are manifested the way you look. the infinite. But why?" "Because if you are told without asking. We can be all of this. then it negates your freedom of choice." "I guess it is like how quantum physics describes everything. omniscient and omnipotent. some just bobbing up and down. we are like the waves on the ocean. Imagine an ocean with many waves." I replied. And so I or Ahura is present everywhere. we are like the wave that has hit the shore. Zarathushtra. "Wrong again. Let me describe it another way." "You mean to say you are everywhere with everyone. in every situation. We are Ahura. If I did that. in the four dimensions. And so is mine and so is this lake and this tree and this mountain. but your essence. Effectively we have different shapes and sizes and forces and are present in different places at different times. am the same as Ahura. We lose our shape but not our essence which is the ocean. but we don't unless asked. Our essence is all one. Some are big and some are small ripples. We are all one. and I and Ahura are one." "Now you see that I. And when we die. "Well. everything is just energy. "But let's take it one step at a time. then you would not have any choice. Different size waves. with everyone..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "The first part of what you said was correct.." He replied.
to Mazda. 43 . "I understand. But the Internet is the sum total of all of its sites and servers.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra else that same freedom of choice." "I see." "How do you achieve this connection?" I asked." I replied. "But it does not reduce your potential." * * * "You mentioned that the `Gathas' gives all the tools that we want. And that is to deny every wave on that ocean or in any other ocean the freedom of movement. Then I asked Zarathushtra. "To deny a wave the freedom to move forward is to deny the ocean its freedom of movement. But unless you ask for a specific information from your site. "Well. "Are you familiar with the Internet?" "Yes. Your site is endowed with the same potential as every other site. you are not going to receive it." He said calmly." He encouraged me. you will need tools and techniques to operate from that paradigm. Because your essence is the same as Ahura's." * * * We were walking in silence for sometime." I said hesitantly. "Yes. but I need some time to digest this." "Like what?" I asked. "So what you are saying is that we are all like sites on the net.. In many of the verses I refer to the Good or Pure Mind." I said after taking sometime for contemplation of the last point." He explained. and you are responsible for what you get on your screen.. but you have to decide how you are going to utilize and fulfil that potential. Because you and everyone else are one." "You got it!" He replied." "Go on.. "All the information on the net is available to everybody. "Let me give you some examples." "What did you mean?" "You remember that I said the `Gathas' is supposed to shift your paradigm?" "Yes. after you shift your paradigm. your ability to retrieve any of the information that you choose.. Because you and Ahura are one. By this I mean the mind that is connected to its essence..
" "Yes you talked about this in verse 47:1. words and deeds. Good Thoughts. In other words you can pray by simply and directly asking questions from Mazda." I asked giving him the open book. or you can see the twist in this verse. You use your logic and power of analysis. the active pursuit through your thoughts. "What other tools?" "The emanations that you were discussing. Teach us Mazda the path of good thought and self-actualization. that is exactly it. I think somewhere in your translation it may refer to the Society of the Magi. the source of your essence. `Farashoshtra. spiritual faith. You concentrate. these were the people who saw what I saw and were helping me in propagating the message. but you also get it quiet and listening or looking for insight.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "By using your mind's total capabilities. "Let me go to verse 34:12 which describes this. or the Brotherhood." I responded. The very question is the method of praying. as both of us share the same wish. the tools of Love." I asked giving him the book again. anger. It goes like this: `What is thy rule and plan for progress? How should we pray and worship thee? Show me clearly. affirming it." "What other tools?" I asked with a childish persistence. scanned the verse and said. contemplate and meditate. Good Words. "Getting together and forming alliances with other people who share your thoughts. Let me first explain that Farashoshtra was one of my first allies and friends on the path. "OK. guide the faithful to perfection and eternal light." "What did you mean by `active pursuit through your thoughts'?" I asked. He shall reach perfection and eternal life through his spiritual strength and love. Well. "At a simpler level. or any other negative thoughts. "I mean constantly keeping the Good Plan in your thoughts. Believe in perfection and immortality and you will create it. You get your mind cranking and working. to reach the place where 44 .'" He simply read. The tool of belief. the benevolent love. aligned with the Law." "How do I pray?" I asked. but you also use your intuition and power of synthesis. the understanding and following of the Law. "What else?" I asked. and Good Deeds. You also pray. so that by following thy instructions we may benefit from the rewards that await us." "I understand. seeing it. the 3 G's as you called them. Then be silent and listen until you are inspired. The creation of the Good Plan by using your Good Mind. inspiration and intuition. You can either ask the same question and see what answers come to you. words and deeds. I also mean controlling your thoughts actively to leave no room for fear. That is another way of getting in touch with the infinite. Visualising it. thinking that I had exhausted the tools. This is what I was doing when I was trying to propagate the message. and Faith. "`One who is led by pure mind and love. tell me. believing that it is going to happen.'" "But all you are doing is asking a question which says how do I pray?" "Well. Its rational and non-rational aspects. guilt or doubt. has good thoughts. Here." "Try verse 46:16. He took the book.
his doubts and his message. Somehow it had a different meaning for me. So I picked up my book." The concept of becoming one with Ahura and having Ahura's powers kept repeating in different forms throughout the various chapters." And in 43:3. when I experience the full power of pure mind. which are attained through pure mind." "OK. It very much contradicted the appeal to Love in the fourth emanation. I managed to sleep very well that night and woke up early and refreshed. I also saw the many references to our having Ahura's powers. how shall I be guided by thee to achieve my supreme goal of reaching Mazda and becoming one with thee?" and in 50:7 he says. and good mind and spiritual strength never diminish." In 31:17 he asked Mazda to "Let pure mind be revealed to all. "My soul shall feel thy strength. so that he may lead the world to peace." Again in 34:5. I decided to study other aspects of the `Gathas' that we had discussed too. constantly talking about fighting the wicked and destroying evil.'" After a brief pause I said." And so on and so forth. where we shall find Ahura.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra truth and love and faith are." I replied and this time I walked off before he could disappear. in 31:6 he said. I noticed a few points. although I was exhausted from our discussions. "I can see how you are creating a vision of your common objective." Not to kill the point." In 34:3 he said. "I think this gives you enough food for thought. where we will find Ahura Mazda. "Undoubtedly he shall enjoy Ahura's powers. In verse 44:17 he asked. "May all that live according to thy rule reach perfection through pure mind. my favourite translation of the `Gathas' with all of my `post it' markings and headed for our rendez vous point. I noticed in many places he was asking for mental power as a means of reaching success in his quest." "Well. "Tell me truly. "I wish to be one with thee and become thee through truth and pure mind. Another was that this was a very aggressive philosophy. a timeless principle applies in any era and by any name." And in 43:4 he says. "This path leads us to the world of truth. I decided to read the `Gathas' one more time. I thought I should ask him these questions the next day. "I shall gratefully enter thy realm and join thee through truth and pure thought. O Ahura. and we will go for a hike. It is all kind of like what Napoleon Hill called the `Master Mind Group'. 45 . * * * That evening. In 29:10 he was directly asking Mazda to "Grant Zarathushtra mental powers and full wisdom. For example. Let's meet here again tomorrow." He replied. But this time I was reading the whole thing in a different light. The followers of truth and thy devotees shall ultimately become one with thee through wisdom and holiness. One was that he kept repeating his questions.
"Yes. After all.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra * * * As I got to the lake.." 46 . "OK. Kind of like Star Trek movies. "I thought it was because of our heavy discussions yesterday. Then he added. "OK." He answered and dropped the subject." I had to pause to catch my breath since the climb was getting steeper by the minute. haven't you?" He asked mockingly. "Do you have any questions?" He asked. "It is kind of symbolic. You kept painting these ugly pictures of what the evil would try to achieve. This is the effect of contemplating and being with nature." "Shoot... It was a fairly easy climb. Hopefully today. Or at least it looked that way. Then let's take it one step at a time again." He stopped. "To the top." He said while pointing to the glorious peak in front of us." "I thought so. And you kept on mentioning . We'll go slowly. We headed into the woods. "Are you ready for a brisk hike?" "Yes." I was not sure what he meant. "Good morning!" "Good morning." I replied. but did not pursue it either. we shall reach the apex. and I am serious too. Did you sleep well?" "Yes. He then continued. I sat down too. but I prefer a slow one so we can talk too. grateful for the opportunity to catch my breath and rest a little. Then I continued. "Which way are we going?" I asked. and sat down on it. But I just shrugged the event off and said. and I was comfortable with that." He replied. He was leading the way. I noticed that he simply materialised out of thin air." He challenged me. Why was your message so aggressive?" "What do you mean?" "I mean you kept talking about the power of the Good. You have been reading the `Gathas' again. "OK. That too. Like a baby. he was Zarathushtra. I mean whatever happened to Love?" "I see." "Yes." He explained. "As a matter of fact I have. chose a rock by the rushing stream. then about how nasty the evil were. "You kept on mentioning that we have to side with the good and fight the wicked until we destroy all evil. As a matter of fact I do. "Do you remember when we were talking about duality?" "Yes." I replied. hiking on the gentle slopes by a river.
." "You fight evil in the same way." "OK." He replied. or choose to block the flow of this energy." I protested. in this case to the flame. which we call good. which we call evil." I agreed." I replied. tell me. And what happens if you take the extinguished one to the lighted candle?" He continued his questioning. "By bringing goodness into it. An inner force that is radiant and life giving. "Be patient and see where I am leading up to. no matter which candle is brought to which. "Good." "But it is not quite the same." I repeated him. "Exactly. how do you fight and destroy darkness?" He asked. because the force of fire or light is an inherent force. you must recognize good as the life giving inner force." "Now." "But it is easy to shine light into the darkness." "So what you are saying is that evil of itself has no power to resist good. "By bringing light into it. we are free to either choose this inherent force. the end result is the same. "In this example we end up with the same result regardless of which one approaches the other. And evil is simply the absence of this force." "What do you mean?" I asked." I nodded. "Let me give you another example." "I understand. Whereas darkness has no force of its own. "In the battle of good and evil." I was simply following his argument without responding. But how can you bring good onto evil when you know it does not accept it?" "Let's not jump the gun.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "And you gave me the example of light and dark?" "Yes!" "Well. He continued.. One is lit and the other is not. Two burning candles. "It lights up again. the inherent energy of creating. "But you must also realize that because we are given the freedom of choice." 47 . what happens if you take the lit candle to the extinguished one?" "It lights it up." "OK." "Imagine you have two candles." "OK." "So in this case. Darkness does not resist light. just like darkness is the absence of light.
then you will have a build-up of gas. So the thought or information that is not in line with the Law. You reduce the flow of blood until you finally block it and then you have a heart attack.'" "So what you are saying is that evil is in the mind." "Isn't that the same as what all these motivational speakers and preachers of the power of positive thinking are trying to say?" 48 ." I was pensive.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Then why is there so much evil and destruction on this planet?" "That is because we block the flow of energy by our misguided choices." "Yes." I suppose there are some things that need time to be understood. "Imagine you have a flowing river. So I changed the subject back to where we were and asked. "You must also realise that energy or power is not evil either. my father passed away from a heart condition." "Then you have to clarify it for me. "We are not evil. "Yes. We are infinitely good. And because we give our choices power. at least potentially.. and redirect them to destructive ends." "How?" I asked. As a result you end up accumulating a lot of water behind the dam." "Precisely. then eventually there will be too much pressure for the dam to withstand. O Mazda." "All right.." I asked. then our communications or actions can become evil. when they are not aligned with the Law and Truth. We are not evil. it will only move that person out of the four dimensional world. That is one example of being destructive. Only our choices can be good or evil." I continued his examples. The `choices we make'. He continued. If you block this pipe. But do understand that death does not destroy the person. So do you mean to say that `we' are evil?" "No. becomes evil. and it will continue until either you release the pressure by allowing the gas to flow or by blowing up the pipe." "As in verse 48:4?" I handed him the open book. are evil." "I see." "That is pretty dramatic. "Actually. and if you continue to block the flow. "You said by our misguided choices we block the flow of energy. we can either give them the power to create or destroy. And since through the energy our thoughts become words or deeds. imagine you have a pipe carrying gas. Because our essence is the same as Ahura's. `By making our thoughts better or worse. And the whole process is far more involved than the mechanical description you just gave. I suppose it is the same with heart attacks. deeds and conscience shall surely follow. our words. and you build a dam in front of it to stop its flow. And then you have a massive and destructive flood.
choose and respond?" "God! You remember everything. It is a spiritual fight. "OK. evil is in our minds only." I said...." "You got it!" "But wait a minute!" I questioned. "Yes." He said. you are perfect . then we can only create good." "OK. it will light up again. "And if we simply correct our thoughts and keep them in line with the Law and Truth.. "when you bring the second candle to it." He started very calmly." "That is because you keep thinking of the fight as a physical fight." "If the flame is weak and flickering. It is not a physical fight... "And the only way we can give something power is if we think of it in the first place.. make a decision. I remember.. "We can only correct our own minds and not somebody else's. Remember verse 31:18?" "You will have to explain more. And that is why you use spiritual weapons. Remember yesterday I asked you how you would respond in any situation and you said you would evaluate. In other words. I continued." I continued. The only reason it manifests in the four dimensions is because we give it power. "OK.. then it can withstand breezes. a timeless truth is truth in any era and by any name. But you still have not won over evil. "Granted." He responded." "Excellent example!" He replied." "Naturally!" "But if it is a strong flame. it will keep the light going. "I know ." He simply nodded. no evil can drive you astray." "Let me go back to the lit candle. So your example of the two candles does not apply. it will not put out the first one." "Now let's say that it has an inner flame that no matter what. What you are saying is that evil does not have any power of its own." "What's more.. "So let me see if I understand." "Yes!" He said emphatically." "You mean like those party candles that are self-lighting? No matter how many times you blow them out." He continued the chain of thought.. "So tell me what happens now?" "I suppose no matter how bad the wind is. I remember.." I asked. they light up again. In fact you will need a very strong wind to blow it out. don't you?" I replied." 49 ..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Remember. even if the second candle refuses to light up. Yes. then the slightest breeze can extinguish it. "So we conclude that if you are really good.
one by one. they could shift their paradigm and step out of their ignorance. "So what you are saying is we should first strengthen ourselves in Truth. tell me. then eventually there would be no soldiers for someone like Hitler to order about. Have you heard of Hitler?" "Yes." "Very idealistic!" I responded. "Verse 44:14: `O Mazda." "I see. what was the last sentence you said?" "Tell me!" "You said `I may be ignorant. and use our good minds." He paused. Let's take an extreme example. one by one.'" "So?" I asked. Then people will naturally make the good choice. let's look at it. we will convert the whole world to the way of good and perfection. How should I help the liars to become truthful. come on . And then." He replied. their soul may be saved. * * * The climb was getting tougher and tougher by the minute." After a thoughtful pause I summarized. There would be nobody left to do his killings for him." He replied calmly. But you should also remember that it is through the Good Mind that we can attain Ahura's powers. "You mean to say we could fight Hitler with goodness?" "Why not?" "Oh.. We reached a point where I finally asked. picked up the book and said. get real!" I protested. That is how you fight evil. "Shall we go back?" "I think there are easier parts beyond this patch. so no amount of evil can mislead or distract us. "And there are other ways too. which we may discuss later.' A leading question." I requested.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "And remember when I asked you what if you were wrong. "Very simply that the person who makes the evil choice is just ignorant and not stupid. Because they are not stupid. "Well. You play dominos with goodness. but I am not stupid." "Yes. so that by learning thy message. had become wise and turned to the path of Truth. 50 . By spreading wisdom. "Not if it works!" "OK. If only they could realise where they are limiting themselves. And with Ahura's powers you can stop someone ten times worse than Hitler." "Let's continue with the hike. Then we should try to enlighten the misguided.." "Isn't that kind of naive?" I accused. Then we both started walking. If the people of Germany.
. * * * While I was taking in a deep breath of fresh mountain air. It was not very long before the path became impassable again." 51 ." Again he was right. "Now back to what I was saying. "Shall we return?" Again he responded. Every so often you asked Ahura Mazda to give you a clear sign or understanding or something. had some water and continued with our hike. are you trying to measure how stupid people are?" "Well. We stopped and rested briefly. I accepted. He was simply looking at me. "You have repeated yourself a number of times throughout the `Gathas'.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra Trusting his omniscience. I suppose you were trying to reach `people' and since you were a `person' yourself." "I am sure you can handle it. and have some more water. I collected my thoughts and said. let's give it a try. It must have been another half hour away. Very soon we could see the peak again. I asked questions. Why this style?" "This was about three or four questions loaded into one. But since by the time I was composing these songs I had received my answers. And kept on having doubts." "That makes sense. I had questions myself. most of my questions were leading questions. They contained the answer within the question.. He suggested we sit down and rest a little more. You kept on repeating the rewards of good and consequences of evil. he asked." "Well. And it will get easier soon. I was thinking and catching my breath. And you kept on asking questions. because when I first started on my path. and Zarathushtra was leaving me to my thoughts. you kept the style naturally `human'. You kept on repeating the same concept every few chapters. in verse 44:12 you ask. First let me tell you why I kept on asking questions. So again I asked." "Yes. you will be surprised how many people reject this stuff as superstition or dogma.." He continued. "It is not far to go to the peak. He was right. "Do you have any other questions?" "Yes. `How should I dedicate my whole being to thee by performing in thy service with full power?' And to top them all up. `Which side should I choose? The Truthful or the false ones who through their evil actions reject the precious rewards?' I mean really. Like verse 44:8: `By performing what kinds of good shall my soul become joyous and serene?' or in the next verse you ask. The sun was shining. and some of them had absolutely no subtlety. I decided to pose the questions in this leading way. Within a few yards the path became considerably more comfortable." I replied. As you can see.
"Yes. maybe the next one would clarify things. As for the doubts. every time that I went through my doubts and renewed my faith." "Actually. "And now to the next part which was `why repeat it so many times." He replied. Then I opened the book to verse 43:10 and handed it to him.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "You can say that. every time I repeated it. I said it in a different way. "kind of like me during our upward climb?" "I suppose you could say that. every time I repeated it. I also wrote about them." He replied. For myself it was both affirming and reviewing or modifying the philosophy and improving it. very good. so did Z. Now I can say if I have doubts. And now if you have doubts and read about mine.. It is only human to doubt. lead me towards Truth and purity of mind. I also encountered challenges on my path." "You mean kind of like affirmations?" I asked. "Fourth." "Third. I think this part is very beneficial. because I could not see what was beyond the obstacles. I would doubt the whole journey. after I came through the other side. who must lead the people with power and devotion to reach the ultimate goal of thy Plan. "So as I encountered my doubts. I reinforced the message for others." "Precisely. you are on the right path. and so I must do the same. which I have always desired. Thou test us so that we may prove our faith. First of all." "I see. At least for others yes." "You are welcome!" He replied. He smiled and said.'" I nodded. "Yes.'" "I understand. I reviewed and reinforced the message for myself." "I see.." He replied. And every time the path seemed impassable. because so far. Through Love and Faith I hope to reach perfection. so if the reader was not clear with one presentation." "Yes." "I see. Thy tests shall bring spiritual strength to us." I said with a half smile.. O Mazda. I have found my spiritual path very challenging. You had challenges and so you put it down in writing. it may give you hope and faith that in spite of the barriers." "What do you mean?" "You remember the first time you said." "Thank you for making it easy for my ego. every time I repeated it. and then I gave the example of the Internet?" "Exactly. `Shall we go back?' today. "For a few reasons. exactly as it was. Secondly. and I assured you that it would get easier?" 52 . But he overcame them by having faith. Like when you used the ocean and wave analogy. my faith grew stronger. particularly the leaders. like any other human being. `O Mazda.
Now tell me what if we face another difficult patch?" "I'll probably not even ask anything. even though we were limited to the parts that were not blocked by the mountain. But we will talk about this later." By then I had learned not to question his cryptic comments. In fact this was the most challenging part of the entire hike. "And that is the power of faith!" I swallowed my smile and waited for his next comment." "And that is exactly my point too. or to the west or any other direction. "What about the second time?" "I see your point. But I had learned my lesson.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Yes. Turn to whichever direction you please and you will see the view. even more.. We sat down and rested for a while. then it must be OK. I did not even question the possibility of reaching the top. No more was the view blocked by the mountain or a boulder or trees. and drank more water. until the very last ten minutes of the climb. We also ate some sandwiches which Zarathushtra had materialized. This is the power of truthful repetition. And there was a choice." "Exactly!" He said. And as I expected.. He said. Suddenly the eye could see for 360 degrees." "Well. * * * 53 . how much faith did you have in what I said?" "I thought you are Zarathushtra. knowing that the way down would be much easier. and since you are perfect. A choice to look east ward. Then we rested again. "Exactly!" He repeated very seriously. Let's climb to the top. I'll just assume if Z is going. I was in good company. "Because I had already proven myself once. the power of my faith paid off. More than 180 degrees of panoramic view. "And the last reason for repetition was that with every repetition the emphasis on the spiritual or fifth dimension increased. But to reach the apex was out of this world. you must be right!" I replied. The second time my faith in what you said was much stronger. * * * The way to the top was fairly easy. A complete unobstructed view. at least for the last two hours of the climb. If Z was climbing. the view was breathtaking. and in parts." "And that is the power of faith!" I added half jokingly. All the way to the top. I simply got up and followed him. then I should follow. And sure enough that was a test of my faith. Just as I had told Z.
But I thought these things were not bad.. "Have you ever thought where your spiritual path is leading you?" "Yes. First you started crawling. "Oh!" "Look. You get the picture?" "Yes. and you overcome them too. You have questions like `Why?' `So what?' and `What difference does it make anyway?' and so on and so forth. It is more like climbing the mountain." I asked. "Of themselves they are not. The most insurmountable barriers will appear. Temptations of the ego. "As if you are on autopilot. not quite. wealth. Every step that you take along your path at this stage will either lead to your glory or to your demise." 54 ." I completed his sentence." "I see. fame etc. How you attain them and how you use them will determine their goodness. you know. Then you make a choice. In fact just before you are to reach the apex. and finally you walked.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra I was absorbing the energy of the sun when Zarathushtra suddenly broke the silence and said." I nodded. "At this time. of apathy and indifference. You face even bigger challenges." I responded. but I can't say that I have an answer for it. and have doubts. because you have already achieved a monumental task. First you are in awe of the majesty of the mountain. "but is it like that?" "Well." "I suppose kind of like `Genius and Madness border each other'?" I interrupted. then you supported yourself by holding on to chairs and tables. power.. This is the time of temptation as well as opportunity." "You are right. I often wonder that once we are illumined. when you were a baby all you wanted to do was to walk. "Frankly." "I see what you mean. "Then you become so tuned into your path that nothing else matters. You exert effort and energy to climb it. you are presented with your most difficult tests. You meet obstacles and barriers. What do you do when you have Ahura's power?" "I suppose you can do what I am doing. Then you meet more obstacles and more doubts and more challenges. I suppose I can only have an answer when I arrive." "Wrong!" He obliterated my ego's pleasure. Then you overcome them and you have an easy time for a while. "In fact this is the time that you need your highest awareness and alertness. Barriers of fatigue. But let me go back to the mountain.. you can easily succumb to temptations. Ignoring my interruption he continued." He surprised me. Nonetheless you can have an idea!" "I guess so. then there is nothing else to do." "Well?" He prompted me." "And that is when you need blind faith.
" Then he remained silent. "Tell me about the progressive emphasis on the spiritual dimension that you briefly mentioned." "Very good. First of all you do understand that the spiritual dimension is not limited to one dimension only. "And you must have absolute faith. What's more. I asked him. Do you understand?" "Yes." "Oh that. remembering his cryptic comment in our last stop. every step may also present incredible opportunities for your ascent. a whole new perspective opens up to you. I am impressed. no matter how beautiful it was. but I have not experienced it. there are certain things one should not talk about unless asked. "That's fine. and is guiding and protecting you along the way. the ideal platform and so on. you will see glory. You see. you have the choice to look at what you want. "But for now I want you to understand the difference between the view from 20 feet below the peak. you reach the top." "And when you manage to pass this final test. and the view from the mountain top. Alertness of mind is a sign of spiritual progress.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra I nodded in agreement." I replied." He continued. Instead of just beauty. Faith in your own ability to find the right path and to get to the top. Faith that perhaps there is a greater wisdom and power which wants you to reach the top. You will. the teacher will appear'. Suddenly instead of simply having a higher point of view of what you were seeing before. "Along your path. Faith in the availability of a path to the top." "I understand. by looking at the waves. leaving me to my thoughts. 360 degrees." "I understand." "I understand. After all." 55 ." "Thank you!" I replied." He reassured me. The reason I referred to it as the fifth dimension was simply to make our communication easier. Instead of the limited 180 degree panorama." "Faith in what?" "Faith in the existence of a mountain top. * * * After a while. I am glad you asked. You must be so alert that you can distinguish between opportunity and temptation. "Now about the spiritual dimension." "I suppose that is why there is the saying `When the student is ready. The right foothold. we cannot even begin to tell how many dimensions the ocean has. you now see all around you.
"like reading and understanding the `Gathas'." "You mean. It is something to experience. the Realm of Light. I called it the `Realm of Light' because there was so much love and wisdom. in verse 45:10 you said. you are going to run out of wind very soon. If you notice." I interrupted. And the `Realm of Light' that I was referring to was being one with the permeating thought or information field of the world of the Quantum.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Exactly..' In 45:6 you said." "Yes I have noticed them. "Quantum physics has shown more than that." "Describe it more. by merely thinking about the observation. here. love and faith. "By climbing your mountain." "It is not something to describe... "the reward of reaching the mountain top is to have a first hand experience of the spiritual dimension." "How do you experience it?" I asked... And it was not heaven as you know it that I experienced.'" "Well. I experienced the spiritual dimension. "Look. It has shown that the observer." "Tell me more." 56 . It had no time and no location." "Is it like being immersed in the sea of energy of the quantum field?" I asked. affects the outcome. You no longer need to believe it or imagine it. But you must understand that if you want to `run' all the way to the top of the mountain. and continuity of the soul... "when you were on earth." "Yes. it is like shifting your paradigm." "What I experienced was a dimension which is eternal." He said. The nearest words to describe it are that it was the realm of pure infinite consciousness.. `Creator has promised people to achieve perfection and immortality through following the Law. `May we reach Mazda through pure mind. in the `Gathas' I make a number of references to the `Realm of Light' or the `House of Songs' or `Paradise' or similar metaphors. or you will slip." I urged. May his wisdom lead me to the ultimate. Since you experience it. By following the path of your spiritual growth." "I know." "I am not with you. verse 33:10 says: `O Ahura Mazda. Now to the spiritual dimension. That thoughts are what direct the quantum energy to create physical objects. you experienced going to heaven and then you returned?" "Heaven is not a place to go to. you know it..." "How do you do that?" "Again it is not something you `do' .' And on the subject of continuity of the soul. through pure mind and righteousness raise our souls to the Realm of Light and eternal joy." I answered." I asked. The reward is bodily health and strength. "I referred to it as the `House of Songs' because there was so much joy and beauty. using perfect mind and action.
the sorrow and the joy. You are simply transported from one place to another. other travellers. the sky." "How does that help?" "You can't transcend the four dimensions unless you know what they are." "Explain this idea more.. but not the glory. Now what?" "Then you observe. So we must try to fully experience `this' world. The issue is not getting on the path. You also perceive through your feelings and emotions. You must become aware that you are on your path.. Observe yourself.. the flowers. "Sure you can. the dark and the light. observing. "Observe everything." "Then you perceive. but you will miss all the challenges along the way. We are here. we are all here in the four dimensions for a limited time." "Correct. You experience your feelings and sensations. We all are. "You already are. "You see. You observe everything. The point is to move in the right direction." "Observe what?" I asked. Your thoughts. your encounters and interactions. You perceive through your senses. You perceive the details and the big picture. You experience the pain and the pleasure. So I become aware. And you do this by becoming aware. You may be able to see the view. the lake. First you should be able to experience the four dimensions as fully as you can. Observe the path." "OK." I asked." "And then you experience. "So what is the point of wanting to transcend the four dimensions?" 57 .." "Aha." He replied. You must become aware that there is a mountain which you can choose to climb. and experiencing..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "But can't I take a helicopter to the mountain top?" I asked. the rocks. covering a limited amount of space... because this world offers us the experiences of this world. perceiving. You experience the events and situations that you come across." I said anxiously.... your emotions. "You do that by first becoming aware. Later I will explain this a little more. Observe the mountain." "Aha. You must be aware of the fact that there is a spiritual dimension." "So what you are saying is that we are all going to experience the fifth dimension when we die." "So how do I get on the path?" I asked again. even if you don't know what it is." "OK. the woods.
then the right and good thing to do is to be thoughtful. "Well. "First of all you can do a lot about it." "To what?" "To that presented in the `Gathas' or something similar to it. and so you can fulfill your purpose better. Secondly not at all. Contrary to what you are feeling. Then what?" I asked. and to be proactive through our efforts. if I prescribed solutions. In fact it gives you a better idea of why you are in that limited world. I don't know.' Just like in verse 30:9 that we were talking about a few days ago. Remember you have Ahura's powers. So we are now experiencing the four dimensions. Remember the Internet?" 58 ." "Oh. "So what is our purpose in this four dimensional universe?" "`To help renew the world and make it progress towards its completion." I paused to think a little and then asked." "Well. and as a result there will be many cases where it will not apply. "Yes. your world and your perspective of the world is very limited." I protested. And since our objective is progress of the world. Just like that. I was a philosopher and a mystic. using our pure mind. But if you can look at the surface from the three dimensions. You can connect with the supreme wisdom as well as I can. In addition." "You know what I mean.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Do you remember our example of the flat surface inside the three dimensional block?" He asked. Because then it will be prescriptive. You do not become attached to the experiences of the four dimensions. You don't need anything else. then I would be limiting your freedom of choice. I could not do that. and to bring quality to our work through love and faith." I remarked. and I was from the East. and that would be limiting your essence. "That's right." "And I suppose you don't need to do anything else. if you are a simple being on that surface. Then you just let things happen as they will." I countered." "But doesn't that make you more miserable. and you will see that you are there." "I see. So now we would operate from a more spiritual paradigm than before. my philosophy is very proactive. but it does not tell you what to do and what not to do. knowing that your world is so limited and you can't do anything about it?" I asked. It sounds like some Eastern mystical philosophy." "OK. I have shifted paradigms. then you have an expanded view of your world." "So how does it become proactive?" "Very simply by explaining the purpose of the universe and some of its fundamental operating laws. "Then you simply shift your paradigm. "Let me try to explain it this way.
You transcend the four dimensions. "I don't know what to think.." "Yes. which you perform with power and conviction. it is generally because you have used your pure mind to connect with the infinite intelligence." * * * "You still don't believe me." "I see. That is the byproduct of your four dimensional experiences. And every now and again you will experience perfection and lose sense of time. and you have exhibited your gifts through the emanations. You experience the spiritual dimensions too. The experience of the spiritual dimensions is a byproduct. this is the perfect experience.?" "And this is the experience of reaching the mountain top." "That's it? That's all you have to do?" I asked... You do them because they are the right things to do.. it is exactly the same with transcending the physical realm." He replied. `Happy and blissful is he who is righteous for the sake of being righteous alone. "Doing the right thing is a lot more difficult than you think." "Well." 59 . I mean you have used your pure mind to make the perfect plan.. "Well. But really. because we have been trained since childhood to think and live in a different paradigm. "Oh that. It will take a lot of courage and persistence.. But remember the Ashem Vohu prayer? The last part of it said. The reward of bliss is a byproduct. and in a loving manner and absolute faith in the outcome." "And when this happens." "Well?" I asked..' Which you rightly interpreted as saying: you do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.." "One more thing." "What do you mean?" "If you are experiencing the four dimensions as much as you can. You do not need a reward or anything in return. You gain a first hand experience of the Realm of Light. You don't do the right thing to transcend the four dimensions." "Go on. but how do you experience the spiritual dimension in this way?" I asked again. it is that simple. "Yes. then you will also experience beauty and joy and peace and serenity and wisdom and awe. And in certain isolated cases you will experience perfection..Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Fine. "And. do you?" He asked after a long pause. in line with the Law." He commented.
But do we?" I asked. they will go to the dark room." "I am not sure what you are getting at. "You recall the verse about the continuity of the soul and other ones about the Realm of Light?" "Yes.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Well." "I suppose we could. frustration is hell." "What about hell?" I asked. It is like telling the wave to know itself and it will know the ocean. `The good mind approached me and asked who are you? To whom do you belong? To which path do you turn when you are doubtful?' Remembering these questions may help you.' You see. where do you turn? And the way to know your Creator is to know yourself. Frustration from not being able to become one with Ahura. It is an aspect of the spiritual dimensions." I did not respond.' It is like saying because their light has gone out. It is oneness with Ahura. because their inner light has grown dim and has moved away from the light of Truth. "And the best way to know yourself is to experience your world." "OK!" and then I dropped this subject. But it does not mean that we can't have a heaven in the spiritual dimension. "Very simply it says. `The souls of the wicked shall return to hell. So know yourself first." I replied. "You mentioned heaven and hell in the `Gathas'. Again it is not some place. "First let me ask you." "We could. and eventually your Creator. If you want to continue the ocean analogy. when you are in doubt. Let's now go to verse 49:11 to explain this. or the house of untruth. Through your senses and feelings you will get to know yourself." "Heaven does exist but not as you know it. * * * After another long pause I asked him. He continued. "OK. He smiled at my persistence and said. "Perhaps the best verses that describe the concept of hell are 51:9 which says. should it matter? Should it affect what we do here on earth? Shouldn't you do the right thing because you want to create heaven here on earth? And not because you might go to some place nice when you die?" "I agree. why should we not reach Ahura?" I asked. `Complete frustration is the consequence of an untruthful life. Now that we have established it does not matter. is there heaven and hell?" I asked again. while the truthful shall receive thy blessings. you could say that they 60 ." "But if we are the ocean. Try it for a while. I used to think that you were pragmatic and suggested that we could create heaven here on earth. remember verse 43:7? It says.
Now you are intellectually understanding timelessness. You don't have to come back here to deal with it. I took one last look at the 360 degree view." "Kind of like Karma?" "Not quite." He simply got up and started descending. "The verses that deal with afterlife. It says that through a test much like the heating of base metals to separate their impurities. and you shall face the appropriate consequences." I said. And you must understand that heaven and hell were simply representations of the carrying of the law of cause and effect to the other side." "Is this meant to worry us?" I asked. But you must not think of it like time." "It is all very abstract. "We should make our way back. You can deal with it in the spiritual dimensions. in terms of our four dimensional experiences and limitations. then how can you deal with the consequences of your choices that you carried over from here. there are other dimensions that create means of dealing with one's consequences there too. "They are all metaphorical. or the Judgement Bridge or the day of resurrection. mainly have esoteric significance. because we are trying to explain something from the fifth dimension. and this test shall lay bare the fate of each group. But do bear in mind that the spiritual realm is more than one dimension. let's take verse 51:9 where it says. "One way to look at it is this. `The followers of Truth and False shall be put to test by thy Divine Fire. then no problem.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra have evaporated or gone into the sand. and eventually clear them. is quite unfair.' How do you like this?" "Pretty scary." "It is a metaphor." I asked." "I am still puzzled. And just like time creates a means of experiencing here. took a deep breath. But one thing which is fairly easy to explain is this. I mean if it is timeless. and are no longer one with the ocean." I remarked. To think that there is no way out after you die. That is hell. "If the spiritual dimension is timeless. your life will be tested and all of its impurities will be exposed." "Certainly." "Tell me about the Divine Fire." "It is very abstract. and started following him." I replied. Do you remember when we were discussing interdependence between the physical and the spiritual planes?" "Yes. 61 . you will simply carry it over to the other plane. Just because life on the physical plane is over. but it feels a lot better. it does not mean that your soul vanishes. An alchemical metaphor. after your physical death and transition to the spiritual realm. So if you have any positive or negative stuff left over for which you have not faced the consequences. then `eventually' has no meaning." "Very good.
"And you can always return to the mountain top any time you want. Humbly and wisely and lovingly." "OK. O Mazda. Do you mind if I ask them?" "Not at all. but we are also responsible for that choice. But that will be obvious when you get to the mountain top. suggesting that it was a good place to rest.. Seizing the opportunity. words and deeds. It was very important to emphasise that.. "You did not tell me. So I emphasised in as many ways as I could." "Remember I mentioned the beginning of verse 48:4? It goes like this: `By making our thoughts better or worse. I said.. our words. you don't assume that you are better than the others." "The first question is that you spent quite a few chapters and verses just dealing with how the good choose to be good and how the wicked are wicked. how important it is to make the right choice. "it was important for people to understand that the decision comes in the moment of choice.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra * * * On the shallow slopes I asked him. Yes you return just like the hero does. "That's it!" was his only response." "And that's it?" I asked. And so I presented the same concept in as many ways as I could." "Second.." "I see. That what causes our actions or communication to be good or bad is the thoughts we have and the choices we make. deeds and conscience shall surely follow." I nodded to signify that I understood. 62 . "I have a few other questions which are less abstract. First of all the core of my philosophy is based on the principle of cause and effect. what they choose and the consequences. Why so much emphasis is put on that?" "For a few reasons. share your experiences with others and encourage them to climb and have the experience for themselves. What do you do after you have been to the mountain top?" "You simply go down. even by helicopter." "I follow. You talk about their thoughts. because now you have had the knowledge and the experience of the mountain and the journey... * * * We were half way down the mountain when he stopped. Go ahead. Like the hero's journey. But no." He continued." "Yes and no. We have freedom to choose.
anything that has the life force within it is worthy of being loved." "Third." He replied yet again.." "Now getting back to the main issue. Faith that your Love energy is not being wasted." "Love requires dedication and devotion and faith. Tell me what does it mean to you?" "You had mentioned already that Love was the fourth emanation.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra The path we choose by our voluntary choice will also determine our Will and Faith." "OK. "All right. because it is the right thing to do. "Yes everything and everyone is worthy of being loved because in essence they are one and the same thing. That you are loving what is worthy of being loved. "Nobody said that climbing the mountain or following your path would be easy. but in righteous use of power." "Yes and no." "So what is not worthy of being Loved?" "Evil. "And finally. The wicked. you do it because it is good. "Tell me more about Love." I nodded and asked.'" "OK." "But I thought everything and everyone is worthy of being loved. So I went to my next question and asked.. So you Love.. but faith in what?" "Faith in the beloved. You also refer a lot to the concept of Love. it was my cue to drop the subject." I knew that whenever he started to talk cryptically. Incorrect choices. as long as they are on the path of making the wrong choices. "I used repetition again to affirm this for people. But Love includes a number of characteristics. so you do it. They are Ahura. It is not the person you do not love. you don't have much option." I nodded." I remarked. So you have made it clear that our choices based on our thoughts determine our destiny. And according to thy wise law. There is only one right thing and you know it." "Even if you find it difficult to?" I asked. For as long as they are not seekers of Truth. "Not at all. Each one of us can climb our own mountain. this is what distinguishes our destiny from other people's. First let me tell you that to submit to evil is to give it power. and like anything that is good. It is the choice.. we will end up with the rewards." "Its sounds like you are trying to justify some mistake." He continued. the thought you do not love." 63 . If we choose good. If we choose bad. We have the ability. They are you and me. when you are divinely inspired. Anything that is a lack of that life energy is not. It was just promised that anybody can do it." "I can understand the devotion and dedication. Love is not in submission. Love is good. but it is not necessarily easy. we will suffer the consequences... and to make sure that sooner or later they would get the point.
both good and life giving." "I had originally said that Mazda means Supreme Wisdom.." "And I said that as human beings we are endowed with the Good Mind. if it is a lack of something." I had the audacity to reply. and in this way we create our reality.. bad and destructive. So if it does not exist. "And I said that Mazda created the Perfect Plan and the Law and this is how the universe was created. not sounding very convinced." "OK?" "So what we have in common with Mazda is our ability to create and choose information. darkness is not. information or thought could be good or bad. "The only difference is that Mazda had chosen to create life giving and good information." I urged him to clarify." "Aha!. our thinker. or as we may choose. so follow me very carefully. 64 .. but their choices that may be?" "Yes. Whereas we sometimes choose to create destructively." "OK?" I asked looking puzzled." "Exactly. our computer on the Internet if you will. we first create a plan and then try to follow the Law." "What I briefly touched upon was that choices were nothing but thought. our own chunk of infinite intelligence. and thus created a good and perfect living universe. the cosmic thinker. "Now I want to bring a few points together." I said..... how can you love it? Therefore everything that exists is worthy of being loved. which refers to thought." "Yes?" I said. it does not exist." "OK?" I said." "I still don't understand what you are getting at." "And so it can be concluded that the stuff that makes the universe the way it is." "I'll try. You mean Light is worthy. "And as a result. or information. still not clear of where this was leading to. is `information'. But then if you really want to pick points with this presentation." "I see. The infinite mind. "This is where it gets abstract again.. our chooser of what information to create and what to follow.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "I see.. still waiting to see where his thoughts were leading to. you can say that strictly speaking. Remember when we were talking about good and bad. the creator of all life giving information. and we realized that it is not people who are bad." "That's an interesting way of looking at it. And in everything that we say or do." "I understand. because we do not use our Good Mind. Thanks for asking my questions for me.
Our thoughts have power." "We are back to the mystical saying `all is one' again. All of the emanations are also interdependent with the Good and Perfect Mind. In fact God is all that is life giving and constructive. Love is an action. In fact all of them are interdependent with each other. "Let's go back to interdependence. An underlying field of thought or information that permeates all reality. Just like the quantum physicists tell us. and immortality." "OK. and so on and so forth. and perfection. and humor. God is also wisdom. But so are Love and the Law. and action. Eliminate Love from your thoughts." "So you are saying that Love is thought?" I asked. and the Plan and Action etc." "I understand. the Creator. and you will live in a universe devoid of love." "Interdependence applies to everything in this universe. we can determine or change our reality. and discipline." I asked. But Love is more than that. But then again so are the Plan and the Law. That our thoughts have power. It also applies to our thoughts. aren't we?" I asked. So Love and the Plan are interdependent. and light. "Yes and no. God is everything that `is'. and Love and Immortality." "You mean like the saying: `Love is God'." "Not again?" I expressed my frustration. a timeless truth is truth at any time and by any name. Love is the Law." "So yes. and detachment. Love is God." "I think I understand. believe and act upon. But what has that got to do with Love?" "Love as the fourth emanation does not just apply to our actions as you were describing. "Yes." * * * 65 . "Sure. but there is more.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "What I am getting at is that the stuff that makes our reality is information. but it is more than that too. God is the ocean and the Internet. And God is Love. including the six emanations. but God is more than that too." "And there is one more step. Love is a state of perfection and timelessness. Love is beauty. Remember. and beauty." He continued. and Love and Action. Ahura. Think Love. and the Law. Love is a thought. etc. and desire." "OK. and you will create a loving world. and Love and Perfection. "And by simply choosing the information that we wish to select.
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I paused for a while to think, had a drink of water and then asked: "Something completely different now. What do you think of the institution of marriage? I mean you do mention it in chapter 53. Tell me what you think of it." "Let's go to a couple of verses to clear things up. In verse 53:3 I say to my daughter Pouruchista: `Pouruchista, the youngest daughter of Zarathushtra, Mazda has ordained Jamaspa for you to be your husband, since he is constant in his Good Mind as a devotee of Truth and Righteousness. Confer with your own understanding and Good Mind, and act as directed by your own love and wisdom.' What I am telling my daughter is that it seems that destiny has brought her and Jamaspa together to be married. Nevertheless, she should go into her own heart and mind and choose for herself what to do." "So you are saying that there is an element of destiny involved," I asked. "Yes. But like everything else, she can choose to go with it or reject it. Either way is fine, as long as she acts wisely according to her heart and mind." "What else do you say?" "The second significant verse is verse 53:5 where I give advise to all young men and women who are considering forming a family. I say to them: `Understand this doctrine with your mind and soul. Try to surpass each other in truth and righteousness and goodness. And you shall be rewarded with a life of Good Mind, filled with joy and happiness.' Here I am saying that your philosophy of life need not change just because you are married. You should still follow your pure mind. You should even compete with each other to be good and loving, because now you have a partner, a training partner, to train on the path of Good." "Anything else about marriage?" I asked. "That is pretty much it. I also give the consequences of what happens if you deviate from the path of Good, but I think that is very obvious." "So tell me, do you condone marriage?" "When I talked about marriage, I referred to the formation of a family unit. During those times, the only reasonable way you could do that was through the institution of marriage. You are not going to push me into giving a prescriptive guideline. You can use your own good mind to see if the institution is necessary for the formation of your family unit or not. The timeless advice is to base it on love and wisdom. But even then, you have to make your own choice." It was time to descend again. So I had a little more water and we set off again. * * *
The sun was about to set when we arrived at the lake. We both sat on a log to rest a little. I was hot and sweaty, but it was a wonderfully refreshing hike. I finally asked him: "What do you say about politics?" "Not much, except that we should choose our leaders very carefully. We should make sure that they follow their Pure Mind, and base their actions on the law of Progress." 66
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"That's it?" "Yes. Let me give you a couple of verses. First let me illustrate the consequences of our choice of leaders. In verse 44:20 I said: `O Mazda I ask thee, how is it possible for the wicked to become rulers? The persons who fight for their own selfish ends and for their own personal desires. They have created anger and hatred on earth. Would they ever try to create harmony and security in the world based on the Law, and would they ever bring peace and Love?' So this verse implies that we should beware of the intentions of our rulers and never allow them to take power for selfish or wrong intentions, because they will be destructive. We should look for wisdom and love in our leaders." "What else do you say?" I encouraged him, even though he was ready to continue. "In verse 31:9 I said: `Mazda has granted each one of us the power to choose the good path or that of evil, the one that is chosen by the true leader or the untruthful one.' And in 31:10 I made it very obvious: `Between the two paths, we should choose our supporters and leader from those who choose the promotion of truth. May the false leader never influence the minds of people, even when showing to be outwardly pious.'" "But you don't mention what you think of politics," I insisted. "Again you are asking me for a prescriptive solution. I am sorry. You have to ask your own Good Mind, make your own choice and decisions, and take responsibility for their consequences. Individually and collectively." "I suppose there is no point in me asking you about anything else, like the economy, or our educational system, or sciences, or the Church either." "That is right. I have given you all the answers that I have. From here on, you as an individual should prescribe your own solutions. You should take responsibility for getting in touch with your own Good Mind. Use your best wisdom and love. Make decisions. Make choices. And accept the consequences. That is the experience of the four dimensions." "OK. I guess I should go home now and rest. See you tomorrow," I replied and started walking off. "Aren't you interested in seeing how I disappear?" He stopped me. "Should I be?" "You should never become apathetic. Anything that is awesome should always bring awe to you. That is a conscious choice that you must make. I will see you here tomorrow. I think we will be concluding our discussions then." He finished his sentence and simply dematerialized into thin air, just like he had appeared that morning. * * *
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Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra
I could not think of anything else, and could not go to sleep either. Finally it must have been just past midnight when I went to sleep. The next thing I recall was that I woke up from a dream with my heart pounding. It was very strange. I dreamed that I was by a pool, chasing somebody. Then that person just started running across the pool, and I followed him. I simply stepped on the water, and continued running. I was half way across when I noticed that I was running on water. I suddenly became aware of it. Before I could do anything, I realized that I wanted to catch the person I was chasing. So I just shrugged off the walking on water phenomenon and continued my chase. I was still running on the solid water when I woke up. It was just after four. I could not go back to sleep. So very early in the morning, I took a shower and went off to the lake. * * *
I arrived at the lake just after dawn. I was looking around for Zarathushtra when I heard a voice calling me from above. I looked up and I saw him parachuting down. He landed about twenty feet away from me. As he was collecting his parachute he said, "Good morning." "Good morning," I responded to his familiar voice, and was suddenly shocked to see the physical changes in him. He must have been over sixty years old. He had red hair and a long red beard. But he was still wearing his white T-shirt and his faded blue jeans. He must have seen me startled by his physical appearance because he said, "I dressed for the occasion." "What occasion?" I asked. "You will see later." I didn't waste any time. I asked him, "What did you mean by your last comment yesterday?" "You mean about being in awe of the awesome?" "Yes." By now he had collected his parachute and was stuffing it in his back pack. "Let me see," He said. "The first day that I stepped out of the doorway of light, you were quite startled, but yesterday you were not even interested in seeing how I disappeared." "Well, you are Zarathushtra. Anything is possible for you." "And so it is for you." "Why do you say things like that?" "Just because something becomes expected or usual, you should not underestimate the level of intelligence that goes into its creation."
Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra
"I am not with you." He clarified, "You see, the whole world around you is quite awesome and magical. Think of the amount of intelligence that has gone into creating your anatomy, or this tree, or this mountain. Each one of these ordinary occurrences are really quite extraordinary." "Yes...." "You should not become so unaware that you lose your perspective of reality. Not the reality that people refer to, but the real reality. The reality of intelligence, thought and information creating everything that you see and experience in the four dimensions." "And if I do?..." "Well, then you simply `exist' in the four dimensions. You stop living here. You stop experiencing the true magic of the four dimensions. And if you cannot experience the four dimensions, you cannot transcend it." "OK. I accept your point. You are right. We become accustomed to things very quickly, and we take them for granted very easily." "Good. I am glad that you understand." "Tell me something else," I asked. "What did you mean when you said that anything is possible for me too?" "I meant exactly that." "You are going to have to explain," I urged. "Over the past few days, I have been telling you that you have the same essence as Ahura, and so do I. So You and I are made of the same essence. The Unlimited." "I am listening..." "So anything that I can do, you also can do, and more..." "What?" "If you are truly Ahura, then you have unlimited potential. But it is your choice to manifest your true potentials. You will limit yourself as much as you choose to." "But you know how to do it and I don't. How do I choose to become unlimited?" I asked. "They say the answer to any question that you have is within the question, if you ask it properly." "And...?" "You just asked `How do I "choose" to become unlimited?' and there is the answer. `Choose!'" "But how do I do that?" "How do you choose anything?" He asked back. I paused for a while and then answered, "I choose by choosing I guess. It is a simple decision. You just choose." "You see, you didn't need me after all."
And you can vanish into thin air. Let me tell you about the firewalk. what does it matter what the `Gathas' says? Are you going to limit yourself because of something a book which was written a few thousand years ago. I just did it. And he was walking quite fast." He was showing his frustration. I did a Firewalk a few months ago. you are making choices every minute of the day. I chose to walk on fire without getting hurt. "No.. I ran to catch up. But that was so simple. If you do." "You mean I can walk on water just like you did the other day?" I could not resist asking." "I see. So do you think walking on water would be dangerous? Even in a swimming pool? Just like in your dream?" He obliterated my excuse. So others determine what is possible for you and what is not. knowing what the answer would be. and your penalty is to be condemned to live in a world of limitation and frustration. and was walking very fast.. you will reap the benefits. So I ran after him. Immediately I understood its significance." He replied. says? Will you really allow others. "Yes. "Regardless of what you think." "And so it is with everything else." "But how?" "You have already answered it yourself." "How did you know that it was possible?" He asked back. But with a firewalk. "OK. Now are you going to limit yourself? Besides. I was walking on water.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "Give me a minute. "Whether you want to accept it or not. "Because others were doing it. Would I ever see him again? Did I have any more questions to ask him? I couldn't let him go just like this. or even disappear in a bathroom. you have infinite and unlimited potential. "How do you know about my. we are talking about something dangerous. alive or dead. I chose to do that because I saw that it was possible." I was still looking at him in complete silence. and I did it. Then I asked "What does the `Gathas' say about these possibilities?" "I have already told you `that you have Ahura's powers'. You either choose what you want. or walk through a doorway of light. He was already at least thirty steps ahead of me.. I had cut the distance by half when suddenly I realized that I was running on the surface of the lake." And he walked off onto the lake. You are also responsible for unfolding your potentiality with the choices that you make. If you don't you will pay the penalty." I stopped myself in mid sentence. and so I tried and saw that I could do it too. to determine your possibilities?" I was silently staring at him. or by your refusal to make a decision. By choosing to do so. 70 ." "OK. you choose the limitation. He was going without even saying goodbye.
In fact it was more difficult to walk on the sandy shore than on water." "I can see that. "I vow to think in terms of my possibilities instead of my limitations from now on. The water was very calm. A couple of hikers came and walked past us. the water surface was completely solid. I understand. "Were you really just going to walk away without saying goodbye?" I asked. People will be coming here soon and they may misunderstand what we are doing. So I chose to continue my run. Using the Good 71 . "Actually it is quite simple. the Supremely Wise through its six interdependent emanations created the universe. And we turned silent again. I finally reached him and said. at least one hundred steps from the shore." "OK. standing on top of the water. Because that is how Mazda planned the universe to reach its completion." He replied and then continued. Just like that. "OK. because it was more important for me to reach him." "Just like that?" "Yes." He responded. I did not think of any possibility other than the solidity of the surface." I said." We sat in silence on the sandy shore.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra But momentarily I shrugged it off. I suppose he wanted me to fully experience and understand what I was doing. I would if you still did not understand. but other than that. When we stepped onto the shore. And we simply remained there while exchanging greetings. And all of this because I chose to. Ahura Mazda or the Lord Creator." "Why can I stand on this surface just like this?" I asked." "Let's give it a try. Through possibilities. let's go back to the shore. We were both silent. You can probably put the whole thing down in less than a page if you know what you are talking about. The ripples would brush against my shoes. Let's start from the beginning. I finally broke the silence and said. And all of this simply because I had chosen to. "I'll just keep quiet until you finish." "OK. "That would have depended on the choices that you were going to make. not thinking about what I was stepping on. "Look." "Good." I replied and we slowly headed back to the shore. "How would you summarize the main points of your philosophy?" He responded. "Because you choose to. I had just expanded my possibilities. my feet sank into the sand. * * * The sun was high in the sky when I asked him. Walking on water for me was as natural as breathing. and that I had enough faith and belief that it was possible.
"Because we have the freedom to choose. Now the only thing left to do is to shift our paradigms and choose accordingly. We must face the consequences of our choices. in other words if we are Truthful and Righteous. then we must also suffer the consequences of our choice.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra Mind. life giving and constructive ways. we have the potential to have Ahura's powers. "It is. Stop name calling. * * * We were walking in silence for a while until I asked. and in this process." He finished. Nevertheless. "Because we are of the same essence as Ahura. we are also responsible for our choices. life denying and bad by blocking the flow of progressive energy. somebody is a hardliner or a liberal. "We must strive to create heaven here on earth. "Let's walk around the lake shore. It was brought into being through Action. we can either choose to direct our energies in good. This group is orthodox and the other is follower of the `Gathas' only. and if we help through our Action and Love to renew the world. and were given the Good Mind to realise the Plan and the Law. And it was Perfect and Immortal. it would use the creations within the universe itself. and to help renew the world along the line of its progress towards completion. and by doing so. we will benefit from the rewards. "However. Individually. the Plan was conceived. "We the creations. and Love. And for this reason. and it will make the world progress towards its completion. We attain these powers through our choices. If we choose the Good path. or choose to be destructive. Rituals are good. "Because we are of the same essence as Ahura." I responded. "Do you have any message for the Zoroastrians of today?" "Yes. as a byproduct of our right choices and actions. we are also given the freedom of choice. If we choose to be aligned with the Law and the Plan. "And everything else will be prescriptive decisions which will come from our individual thoughts and choices in any particular situation." After a brief pause He added. our souls will be rewarded by becoming one with Ahura when we leave the physical dimensions. were made of the same essence as Ahura. we must choose the right thing because it is in line with the Plan and the Law. "Part of the Plan for the universe was to take it from its initial state to its completion. or they are 72 ." I agreed and we started walking. not because we will benefit from the rewards of our choice. Stop arguing and fighting among yourselves. My message is don't get stuck with splitting hairs. we will benefit from the rewards of our choice." "OK. then we will tap into our true and unlimited essence. We are free to choose to direct our energies in any way that we desire. And if we choose the bad. based on the Law. "Wow! That seems to be pretty straight forward.
"Now that you are leaving. This sort of argument only serves in diverting your energy and attention to the wrong things. Listen to your Good Mind. Use your best wisdom and love. by being wise and loving. No matter where or under what conditions you live. "The world can only change one person at a time. "I hope they will listen to their own Good Mind." He answered back. And when you have been to the mountain top. come down and go back to the people. That religion is better than this one. Follow your spiritual path. you still have the choice to think whatever you want. The beach was deserted. Go and realise your possibilities. am I ever going to see you again?" 73 ." * * * We were Walking in silence for a little while longer. But also keep in mind that just as much as the end does not justify the means. Then he turned to me and said. Make the right choices by thinking from your mind and heart. Or science is better than religion. And you are personally responsible. "Do you have any message for the people of the world today?" I asked after a pause. Now it is up to you to choose what you are going to do with it. Climb your own mountain. Don't get so stuck on methodology that you will lose sight of the purpose. "I have done my work here. and experience the mountain top for themselves. So take responsibility. Stop calling each other hardliner or radical. I have told you everything that I wanted to share with you. "Yes. Keep in mind that the ultimate goal is to create heaven here on earth. "You are all powerful as individuals. Very humbly and wisely and lovingly share your experiences with them. in every situation." "Any suggestions?" I asked. other than Zarathushtra and I. and you have the choice to react to any situation as you determine to be the best. "Stop arguing and fighting among yourselves." I paused for a while and then asked. Make the right choices by thinking from your mind and heart. The main point is that you are all the creations of Ahura. This group is orthodox and the other is liberal. This sort of argument only serves in diverting your energy and attention to the wrong things.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra obsolete." I replied. in every situation." "I understand. Or this nation is superior to that one. Not a soul in sight. the means do not justify the end either. Remember that your thoughts create. and are endowed with Ahura's powers. Make the right choice. and are endowed with Ahura's powers." "I hope they will listen to you. Go and realise your possibilities. Keep in mind that the ultimate goal is to create heaven here on earth. The main point is that you are all the creations of Ahura. "Yes. by being wise and loving. Every single one of you. And encourage them to find their own path and climb their own mountain.
Ascending further and further up. I should tell them that I met Zarathushtra. or Mazda.. our stroll in the park. I picked up a pen and some paper and started writing.. I should give them his message and tell them thus spake Zarathushtra. Then his parachute canopy opened. The real Zarathushtra. It was a true gift that I should use and share with others. immersed in my thoughts.. and as if being lifted by a wind from below... So having made my choice. Any time that you have doubts or need guidance. Thus spake the Real Zarathushtra.. our meeting in the coffee shop." * * * 74 . opened it up. our walk on the lake. * * * For exactly two weeks. But mainly I thought about his message. "And know that you can get in touch with me." I nodded. Remember my friend. I wrote: "Mid morning in the supernatural forests near Vancouver in blessed Beautiful British Columbia. because you `are' me. by simply connecting with your Good Mind.. I was blessed with meeting him. You are Ahura. until my eyes could no longer see him. He simply unpacked his parachute. on the fifteenth day. and after waving a final farewell to me he looked up. you are the ocean..." I nodded with a smile. I kept thinking about our discussions in the woods and by the lake. our hike to the mountain top. remember that our purpose on earth is to work along the path of progress.Thus Spake the Real Zarathushtra "You don't need to my friend. he took off into the air..