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Volume 1 Issue 4
THE AGE OLD QUESTION OF: IS GOD AN ASTRONAUT?
SPOTTED AT RENDLESHAM 30 YEARS ON!
MoD X-Files Towards a Scientific
and Societal Agenda on Extraterrestrial Life by Nick Pope.
SECRET SPACE PROGRAM?
IS THERE A
INTERVIEW WITH GIORGIO TSOUKALOS
BY SEAN CASTEEL
THE 1945 SAN ANTONIO
A UFO MATRIX EXCLUSIVE BY PAOLA HARRIS
06 1945 UFO CRASH PART 1 The 1945 UFO crash at San Anotonio - Part One by Paola Harris. A UFO MATRIX exclusive. The Reme Baca and Jose Padilla witness case. 14 BERWYN DEBUNKERS Scott Felton answers the critics of the Berwyn Mountains UFO crash. 22 PHILIP GARDINER FEATURE Philip Gardiner's regular sceptical column. This time the Retilian agenda comes under scrutiny. 26 NICK POPE Towards a Scientific and Societal Agenda on Extraterrestrial Life. 32 INTERVIEW WITH GIORGIO TSOUKALOS Sean Casteel interviews Giorgio Tsoukalos. 36 ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS Smoking Gun of Egyptolgy found or not ? Wayne Herschel examines the evidence. 40 BACKLIGHT Mike Hallowell looks at another 'cold case' file and sheds new light on an old mystery.
44 UNX-X DIRECTORS CUT Raam Barros gives us information we should be aware of, having put aside the negatives which come with making a disclosure and decides to explain the occurrences, which were literally out of this world 48 SECRET SPACE PROGRAM Is there a secret space program? Richard Thomas looks behind the Gary McKinnon affair.
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68 30TH ANNIVERSARY RENDLESHAM LECTURES John Hanson gives us an account of the recent Rendlesham anniversary lectures in Suffolk. 74 OZ COLUMN Our regular look at UFO sightings from down-under by Sheryl Gottschall & Lee Paqui. 77 MAHABHARATA Is there proof of ancient astronauts in the ancient Indian text? Jijth Nadumuri Ravi examines the evidence. 85 THE BERWYN MOUNTAIN Sixteen years later, the Berwyn Mountains would again be the focus for a story involving a downed UFO. But this time, some said, the story was for real. 91 SUBSCRIBE TODAY! Subscribe with UFO MATRIX and never miss an issue or reported sighting! 92 READERS SIGHTINGS A round-up of sightings by the readers of UFO MATRIX. 94 COMPETITION A fantastic DVD collection up for grabs in our competition! 95 COMING NEXT ISSUE Find out what UFO MATRIX has in store for our fact packed issue 5. 96 NAZI RAIDERS Paul Stonehill looks at the Nazi's hunt for the crystal skull in Brazil.
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54 JAMES GILLILAND Lorin Cutts takes this opportunity to interview James Gilliland at his ranch near Mount Adams. 60 ET CONTACT FROM PERU UFO sightings and videos from Peru by the Proyecto UFO team. 64 MCMINNVILLE The most famous UFO photo-case in UFO history is looked at by Kal Korff.
UFO MATRIX 05
Human Hands: An Interview with
o Tsoukalos Giorgi
by Sean Casteel
So what’s new in the ancient world?
Perhaps that question can best be answered by Giorgio Tsoukalos, the official spokesman in the English-speaking world for legendary ancient astronauts scholar, Erich von Däniken. Tsoukalos is also the editor of Legendary Times, the official publication of the Archaeology, Astronautics and SETI Research organisation, which is a revamped version of the earlier Ancient Astronauts Society. The Ancient Astronauts Society was founded in 1973 by a von Däniken enthusiast named Gene Phillips and when Phillips decided to retire in 1997, Tsoukalos was tapped by von Däniken to replace him. “So basically,” Tsoukalos said, “I was asked to run the English-speaking department because I was living in the States at that time. I’ve always been interested in this and I’ve been a friend of Erich’s since my early teens.” Tsoukalos’ duties also include a certain amount of travelling and research. When this interview was conducted, he had recently returned from visiting a series of NativeAmerican reservations, where he viewed some petroglyphs and carvings that may have a bearing on the ancient astronauts theory. “Plus there are many, many museums that are available in the United States, such as the Natural History Museum in New York City, which is a treasure trove for ancient astronautrelated stuff,” Tsoukalos said. “So whenever I’m in New York, I make sure to visit there. They’ve got some really amazing things there that can be found nowhere else.” “For example,” he continued, “in the Maya section, they have a little statue of this guy with six wings and a pack on his chest and tubes coming out. He’s wearing a skullcap and a suit.
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Not Made By
It looks very interesting, from a modern perspective, and seems to clearly reference a type of astronaut.” But Tsoukalos warns that the ancient astronauts depicted in ancient carvings, like the six-winged figure above, are not to be confused with the literal presence of God. In fact, while von Däniken is the primary mover and shaker in the ancient astronauts community, he himself prays to what he believes is a higher God than that depicted in our religious texts. “One of the main arguments for the ancient astronauts theory,” Tsoukalos cautioned, “is that whoever or whatever was described, for example, in the Old Testament, wasn’t necessarily ‘GOD’, as in the Force of the Universe or the Force of Creation or the Spirit of Everything or whatever you want to call it, but a misunderstood flesh-and-blood extraterrestrial.” “It would be the same thing if a thousand years from now, we Earthlings arrive on a distant planet and we encounter seemingly intelligent life. Let’s say that that life is, technologically speaking, still primitive. What would we do? Would we just stand back and then depart again? Or would we actually meddle, would we interfere with their development? And the answer is clear. Of course we will meddle with their development and we will interfere with their culture, because we know that we would have instant god-like status with them because we’re descending from the sky. We’re coming down in flying vehicles which they would then describe as ‘flying chariots’ and things like that.” Tsoukalos said that we should imagine fastforwarding five thousand years into the future of the primitive species, when our visit will have
entered the realm of “make-believe”. “Because the modern scientists of that planet will then say, ‘There is no way that all those ancient texts about these gods descending from the sky have ever been true. They were all just a fantasy.’ So what Erich is saying is that the ancient astronauts theory transcends the whole idea of ‘GOD’ because God is much bigger than could be put inside a book or God would not need a vehicle to travel from point A to point B.” Therefore, according to Tsoukalos, God in the Old Testament was anything but God. “He was a misunderstood flesh-and-blood extraterrestrial,” Tsoukalos said. “And, if you subscribe to ancient aliens, it does not have to diminish your belief in God. Quite the contrary, because it means that creation was way more magnificent than we’re seeing right now.” Tsoukalos also does not believe that early mankind was any less intelligent than we are
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Puma Punku Overview
today, but that they simply lacked a frame of reference for understanding alien technology. He quoted science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke’s famous saying, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” “And that pretty much sums up the whole ancient astronauts theory,” Tsoukalos added. Von Däniken’s newest book is called Twilight of the Gods (New Page Books, 2010) and among the many subjects the new book tackles is the mystery of what’s to come in 2012, when the Mayan calendar comes to an end. Tsoukalos, for one, is not buying into the doomsday scenarios being put forth by many. “To the great majority of people who have to sell books, to them, the world is coming to an end. The Judgement Day will be here, the End of Days, the Apocalypse. All this crazy, crazy stuff.” Tsoukalos is quick to point out that nowhere do the Mayans themselves say that the world will come to an end, but that there will, instead, come the beginning of another cycle of time. He explained, “Just like at the end of the year, every December 31st, your office calendar runs out. What do you do? You go out to the store and you buy yourself another calendar.” Tsoukalos said that von Däniken also poses this question: Everyone only talks about the end of the Mayan calendar. Why does nobody talk about the beginning of the calendar? “Interestingly enough,” Tsoukalos explained, “scholars have determined when the beginning was and that is the 11th of August, 3114 BC. So
we’d all have to agree that the Maya didn’t exist back then, as far as we’re told by mainstream science. According to a Mayan text from the ‘Chilam Balam’, from the Book of the Jaguar Priests, written after the Spanish conquests, the opening date of the calendar is when the highway to the stars descended from the sky, bringing with it a host of gods who taught mankind various disciplines. “If and when they return, they will rectify everything that was once wrong,” Tsoukalos said. “So will extraterrestrials come back on the 21st of December, 2012? I speak for Erich on this, and I’m quoting him right now: ‘Absolutely not.’ Nothing will happen in 2012, actually. It might be an astronomical alignment, but the only thing we have to worry about is one huge hangover on December 22nd. That’s about it.” Another topic that is frequently kicked around is UFO Disclosure, about which Tsoukalos, again, has definite opinions. He said that at a speaking engagement at the 2010 Bay Area UFO Expo, in San Jose, California, he was repeatedly asked when he felt Disclosure would happen. “I can tell you right now,” he said, “that Disclosure, as such, will never happen in one press conference. Disclosure is happening right now. We’re in the middle of it. Disclosure is happening all around us.” To bolster his argument, Tsoukalos made reference to the many alien and UFO-related television programs in the United States, including the History Channel programme, Ancient Aliens, for which he is a consulting
producer, and a new series on NBC called The Event. When this interview was conducted, a new movie called Skyline was soon to be released that featured people being sucked up into UFOs. “It looks quite spectacular,” he said. “So all this entertainment stuff serves as some type of reconditioning, of telling the public, ‘Hey, not only are we not alone, but we’ve never been alone and we’ll never be alone and they’ve always been here. Get used to it.’ And the whole idea that, if the extraterrestrials show up, that they will eat us or annihilate us, is complete nonsense, in my opinion. Because, why wait so long? Why not do it while we were still hunting with bows and arrows? There’s this whole doom and gloom scenario, in my opinion, and
Erich von Daniken
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also in Erich’s opinion – you can keep a society captive by instilling fear and I personally want to go as far away as possible from that. And also Erich. Erich looks forward to giving lectures in 2016 and 2020. 2012 is just a date.” Von Däniken also looks forward to a future free of the Apocalypse described in the Bible and believes that prophecy, by definition, does not exist. “The reason why prophets were prophets at the time is because they had knowledge that was given to them by extraterrestrials,” Tsoukalos said. “But that does not make them prophets in the sense of what we know today, of what we think a prophet is. There is no way of predicting the future. The future is unwritten. Even according to the Bible, we have free will. One argument renders the other useless.” Meanwhile, von Däniken does lend some credence to modern-day beliefs about UFOs and alien abduction. “Erich definitely says those things are happening right now,” Tsoukalos affirmed. “There’s no question about that. But he also thinks that some of the abductions are done by human beings. It’s our people who are abducting people and putting them in a lab or something like that. But that does not negate the fact that UFOs, extraterrestrial UFOs, are visiting Earth and abducting people. Even if
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ninety-nine percent of all abductions are manmade, well, that one percent is still extraterrestrial and that’s all we need. So, yes, Erich definitely thinks that the modern-day UFO abduction phenomenon does take place.” In fact, in the mid-1990s, von Däniken was among the first to invite the late abduction researcher, Dr. John Mack, of Harvard University, to speak at one of his conferences, so that Mack would have a public forum to discuss his findings regarding abduction. “Dr. Mack, at the time, was one of the first university professors who, in public, maintained that the abduction phenomenon is, in fact, real,” Tsoukalos said. “For any professor to do that, especially one from Harvard, is a big deal. I really don’t think that Mack fell on his head. I really think he had some tangible evidence.” Tsoukalos recalled spending time with Mack at a 1996 ancient astronauts conference in Berne, Switzerland. “He was great and he was completely, quote, unquote, ‘on our side’. That’s become more the norm now, but, back in the Nineties, that was completely out of the norm; it was not normal for bona fide university professors to side with us.” The conversation turned again to von Däniken’s new book, Twilight of the Gods, which covers some interesting new ground.
“This is book number twenty-nine that Erich’s written,” Tsoukalos said. “So, obviously, there is some rehashing of old material. But, in this book, for example, he goes into great detail about a site in South America called Puma Punku. Puma Punku is a place on the border of Peru and Bolivia, right next to Lake Titicaca, in the highlands of the Andes. It’s also right next to a site called Tiwanaku (also spelled as Tiahuanaco – Editor). Every day, dozens of tourists go to Tiwanaku and photograph the site and walk around. They huff and puff when they walk around because we’re at thirteen thousand feet up in the air, so the air is very rarified up there.” But what many of those tourists don’t know, and the guides won’t talk about, is that only a hundred and fifty yards away is the little known site called Puma Punku, a place that “completely defies logic,” according to Tsoukalos. “You have this entire field of ruins of gigantic stones,” Tsoukalos said, “all of which are cut out of granite and diorite. We have formations there that we still today would have difficulties recreating. And that’s not me talking. That’s actually a stonecutter by the name of Roger Hopkins, who has his stone quarry in Palm Springs, California.” After viewing photos of Puma Punku, shown to him by Tsoukalos, Hopkins said that you
AN INTERVIEW WITH GIORGIO TSOUKALOS
could not pay him enough to tackle the near impossible task of building anything remotely similar to the ancient site. Tsoukalos asked, “And if a stonemason says that to me, who am I going to listen to? A professor who says all of this was done with chicken bones and string? Or am I going to listen to a real-time, real-life stonemason, stonecutter, who tells me this would be extremely difficult for us to replicate today?” “God bless the professors,” he continued. “But in some ways, they just have to concede, because neither Erich nor I are saying, for example, that our ancestors did not know how to cut stone. Of course they knew how to cut stone. In fact, they were very good at it – when they cut limestone or soft, porous stone. I don’t care about those stonecutting things. But what I care about is how on Earth did they cut diorite, andesite and dolerite? That is the question.” In order to cut granite (and the other rocks mentioned) in this day and age, a diamondtipped saw is required. It can’t be done with obsidian or the aforementioned chicken bones or any kind of bronze tools. Given that we moderns couldn’t easily recreate it, what was the ultimate purpose of the Puma Punku stones? “Puma Punku is certainly not an altar,” Tsoukalos replied. “Yes, our ancestors did build things that were intended for worship, for rituals. But those places usually contained or featured some type of hieroglyphics or glyphs or some wonderful ornamentation that’s been carved into the rock, of faces or flowers or anything. Just beautiful carvings.” “Puma Punku, on the other hand, is one hundred percent anonymous. Not a single glyph has been found, not a single carved flower or carved ornamentation. The blocks that we find there, some of them up to eighty-five tons, are all very technical in nature. You’ve got a whole lot of little inside boxes that have been cut out. Every block at Puma Punku looks as if it was the counterpart to another block. Like a female piece and a male piece fitting together and vice versa. Another interesting thing is also the fact that it’s as if only master stonemasons were allowed to work there, because nowhere do you find any mistakes. Nowhere is there a place where a guy slipped while he was cutting a stone. It’s all perfect.” All of this leads Tsoukalos to conclude that Puma Punku is, by far, the most “inexplicable” site in the world. “I would even venture to say,” he declared, “that Puma Punku is the only place in the world that was not built by human hands, that that
place was, in fact, built by extraterrestrials using some type of machinery.” He went on, “Of course, nobody knows the purpose, but I theorise that Puma Punku might have been one of the base camps of the extraterrestrials. It was basically their place. All the mythologies and legends surrounding Puma Punku and Lake Titicaca say the location has been one of the ‘navels’ of the world. ‘Navels of the world’ was a term used in ancient times when they wanted to signify where life originated. For example, in ancient Greece, Delphi is considered the navel of the world. Why? Because the Greeks think that life originated at Delphi.” “And how did life originate? From outer space. All those different origin stories are always the same, that some type of silver egg appeared or a cosmic egg arrived from the deep, dark nothingness. From then on, humankind thrived, out of nowhere. The idea is that our ancestors’ genetic make-up was tampered with by extraterrestrials and thus we were made, quote, unquote, ‘humans.’ And they used Puma Punku as a base camp to explore the rest of the world, as we know they did. Puma Punku is pretty central for all of South America, so it’s a perfect point from which to travel all over.” For von Däniken and Tsoukalos, Puma Punku is a kind of diamond hidden in plain sight. Many volumes have been written about nearby Tiwanaku and Lake Titicaca, but there are only a handful of scholarly references to Puma Punku, usually a paragraph or two presented in passing. Twilight of the Gods devotes a large chunk of its more than two hundred pages to examining the site, but most questions about
it remain unanswered. When this interview was conducted, Tsoukalos was in the midst of shooting the second season of Ancient Aliens for the History Channel. The season will eventually number ten one-hour episodes and Tsoukalos is enthusiastic about the project. “We’re very busy running around and trying to get everything done,” he said. “It’s very exciting. How many times have we been part of a television programme and then it was completely botched up and we were made to look like idiots? And this time, with Ancient Aliens, they’re actually taking this stuff seriously. Being a consulting producer to the show, if I have a suggestion or if I have something to say, guess what? They’re actually listening. It’s totally awesome.” [To learn more about Erich von Däniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos and the Archaeology, Astronautics and SETI Research Association, visit www.legendarytimes.com Sean Casteel is a freelance journalist and a Contributing Editor to the American UFO Magazine. He is also the author of the books UFOs, Prophecy and the End of Time, Signs and Symbols of the Second Coming and The Excluded Books of the Bible. To read more of his work, visit his website at www.seancasteel.com]
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