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1 MERCER COUNTY

2 BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
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5 MERCER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS :
6 FORMAL MEETING :
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10 MERCER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
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12 Location: Joyce L. McDade Administration Building
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14 Trenton, New Jersey 08650
15 Date: Monday, November 21, 2022
16 Commencing at 6:01 p.m.
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1 MERCER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS:


2 NINA D. MELKER, CHAIRWOMAN
3 LUCYLLE R.S. WALTER, VICE CHAIR
4 JOHN A. CIMINO, COMMISSIONER
5 KRISTIN L. McLAUGHLIN, COMMISSIONER
6 TERRANCE STOKES, COMMISSIONER
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8 BOARD PROFESSIONALS & STAFF:
9 MICHAEL W. HERBERT, BOARD COUNSEL
10 JERLENE H. WORTHY, CLERK TO THE BOARD
11 GILLIAN BIANCHI-ORTIZ
12 KERA OUCH
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14 ALSO PRESENT:
15 PAUL R. ADEZIO, COUNTY COUNSEL
16 LILLIAN L. NAZZARO, ESQ., COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
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1 I N D E X
2 SPEAKERS PAGE
3 ANGELO ONOFRI 7
4 BRIAN HUGHES 16
5 NATHANIEL WALKER 20
6 PAULA SOLLAMI COVELLO 21
7 BOB GILES 23, 33
8 KEVIN PASSANTE 34
9 WAYNE DeANGELO 38
10 PUBLIC COMMENT
11 PATRICIA JOHNSON 43
12 DONALD OBER 46
13 LISA RICHFORD 47
14 DON STALEY 51
15 MARK BYRNE 53
16 DARIUS MAYFIELD 55
17 YAMIRA SIN 61
18 MICHAEL CIPRIANO 62
19 JEREMY WHALEY 65
20 CHERIE GARRETTE 68
21 JEFFREY HEWITSON 70
22 TAIWANDA TERRY-WILSON 72
23 SKYE GILMARTIN 76
24 ANDREW CURCIO 77
25 BARBARA HOLSTEIN 79

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1 I N D E X
2 SPEAKERS PAGE
3 JENNIFER DiDONATO 81
4 JOSEPH MARCHICA 84
5 STEPHANIE FAUGHNAN 87
6 JEFFREY LAURENTI 89
7 MARK CUBBERLEY 92
8 STEPHANIE REICHARDT 95
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1 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: All right. We're going to

2 start with our role call.

3 MS. WORTHY: Commissioner Cimino?

4 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: Here.

5 MS. WORTHY: Commissioner Frisby?

6 Commissioner Koontz?

7 Commissioner McLaughlin?

8 COMMISSIONER McLAUGHLIN: Here.

9 MS. WORTHY: Commissioner Stokes?

10 COMMISSIONER STOKES: Here.

11 MS. WORTHY: Commissioner Walter?

12 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Here.

13 MS. WORTHY: Commissioner Melker?

14 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Here.

15 Flag salute?

16 (Flag salute.)

17 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Sunshine Law?

18 MS. WORTHY: In accordance with the provisions of

19 the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Law, Notice of this

20 Formal Meeting has been mailed to The Trenton Times,

21 The Trentonian and The Princeton Packet newspapers as

22 well as having been posted in both the County

23 Administration Building and the Courthouse at least

24 forty-eight hours in advance of this meeting.

25 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

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1 The Mercer County Board of Commissioners has

2 requested to have a presentation this evening regarding

3 the voting process and the issues that were experienced

4 on Election Day.

5 We requested this to clarify the problems that

6 occurred and to discuss the issues in an open,

7 transparent and public process.

8 My hope is that this presentation will give the

9 public a clear picture as to what occurred so that the

10 election and its process can continue to have the

11 public's confidence in it.

12 The election process and voting are the

13 cornerstones of our democracy. And we must perform our

14 due diligence to ensure that we do not have this issue

15 that we have had in this past election ever occur

16 again.

17 After the presentation by the election officials

18 and the vendors and involved parties, I have chosen to

19 use the Chair's privilege to allow the public comment

20 immediately following.

21 If you wish to comment, please fill out the

22 designated sheet and return them to our staff and you

23 will be called to the microphone.

24 I respectfully ask all hearing attendants to

25 remain decorum. I certainly understand there's a level

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1 of frustration, I, however, will not tolerate unruly

2 behavior as we proceed.

3 Do any of my colleagues have anything they would

4 like to say before I proceed?

5 Thank you.

6 I would like to ask the Mercer County Prosecutor

7 Angelo Onofri to come to the podium with his report.

8 MR. ONOFRI: Angelo Onofri, O-N-O-F-R-I.

9 Chairperson Melker, members of the board, county

10 executives, thank you for having me here this evening.

11 And I just wanted to take a moment to introduce the

12 members of my office who participated in this

13 investigation.

14 We have officer in charge William Jet, Detective

15 Sherry Johnson, Detective Michael Sedwick, and

16 Detective Edward Hughes. They've worked tirelessly on

17 this. They've conducted numerous interviews, reviewed

18 numerous documents. And I'm extremely proud of the

19 work that they've done.

20 The Mercer County Prosecutor's Office was asked to

21 investigate the Election Day failure of voting machines

22 and their failure to register votes to determine if

23 there was any criminal conduct or tampering with the

24 voting machines.

25 Our investigation revealed that the failure of the

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1 machines was not the results of tampering or any

2 criminal conduct. Rather, the issue stems back to an

3 error of miscommunication concerning the coding on the

4 Election Day ballots and the voting machines. Because

5 the same codes were not used on the ballots and voting

6 machines, the machines did not register the votes on

7 Election Day.

8 We received a call from the county clerk on

9 Election Day. And she explained the issues that were

10 occurring with voting. Because of that, we then went

11 into an investigation, and on the next day we met with

12 the clerk.

13 She reported that the Dominion manufactured and

14 coded voting machines purchased by the County didn't

15 tabulate the ballots throughout the Mercer County's 243

16 voting districts on Election Day.

17 The failure forced each voting location to use

18 paper ballots which were collected and placed in the

19 emergency bin of the voting machines at each location

20 to successfully count the citizens votes.

21 The ballots were then transported to the Mercer

22 County Board of Elections where they were counted using

23 separate high speed scanners.

24 The clerk had asked our office to determine

25 whether or not there was any criminal conduct or any

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1 potential tampering with any of the voting machines.

2 We notified the Office of Public Integrity and

3 Accountability of the Attorney General's office, as

4 will as Attorney General Platkin of the issues. We

5 were informed that the Attorney General's office and

6 OPIA was aware of this due to the Deputy's Attorney

7 General assigned to the Elections Division within the

8 State Government.

9 The Office of Public Integrity and Accountability

10 authorized us to continue the investigation and at that

11 point we continued and kept to update OPIA on any of

12 the issues that were occurring.

13 The detectives who I introduced were assigned to

14 this case, along with Supervising Assistant Prosecutor

15 Rachel Cooke.

16 During the 2022 general election, there were 243

17 election districts utilizing 199 voting machines. Our

18 review was simply limited to whether there was any

19 criminality and to determine what occurred.

20 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Excuse me, they're asking if

21 you can speak up because they can't hear you

22 downstairs. I apologize.

23 MS. ONOFRI: Okay. No problem.

24 On Veteran's Day, my office, including myself, met

25 with the Superintendent of Elections, Nate Walker,

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1 Supervisor Paul Dombrowski, Deputy Attorney General

2 Susan Scott from the Division of Elections was on the

3 phone, and Anthony Pacone, the Deputy Director of OPIA

4 was also informed of the meeting. I would also note

5 that Walker Worthy was also with us, and extremely

6 helpful during the process.

7 And, in fact, I might as well say that now,

8 everyone, Royal Printing, Dominion Voting Machines, the

9 Superintendent, the County Clerk, everyone was

10 incredibly cooperative and wanted to get to the bottom

11 of what occurred.

12 I think the best place to start is back in June or

13 July of 2022. As the Commissioners may recall, there

14 was a series of legislation that passed for voting

15 reforms. And one of those reforms was that at the

16 voting district level ballots had to be tabulated at

17 the voting district level rather than by municipality.

18 Beginning with this 2022 General Election, mail-in

19 ballots had to be done at the district level; however,

20 provisional ballots, that requirement didn't kick in

21 until 2023.

22 As the Commissioners are aware, election ballots

23 are printed by Royal Printing and the county ballots

24 had been printed by Royal for 16 years.

25 The voting machines and the election software are

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1 supplied by Dominion Voting Machine Systems, and the

2 machines are also programmed by Dominion.

3 The responsibilities to get the ballot printed are

4 the clerk provides the content of the ballots. That's

5 the ballot position, the names, the municipality, and

6 as everyone is aware, the clerk determines through a

7 draw what line position everyone gets.

8 Royal Printing created the design of the ballots

9 incorporating the content from the clerk, as well as

10 the electronic codes on the ballots or timing marks

11 which enable the machines to read the ballots.

12 Dominion created the coding for the ballots

13 through a program provided to Royal Printing and they

14 code the voting machines to properly count the ballots.

15 The process requires naturally Dominion and Royal

16 to coordinate the coding on the ballot with the coding

17 on the machine so the ballots could be properly read

18 and tabulated by the voting machine.

19 We're going to use the term "failure," but as

20 we'll explain later, it actually was not a failure.

21 The failure of the machines to read the ballots was due

22 to a coding error and the miscommunication between

23 Royal and Dominion.

24 Now, just a bit about the process. Royal will get

25 the final approval to proceed with printing the ballots

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1 from the clerk. Royal then runs the ballots through a

2 rendering tool that was provided by Dominion. That's

3 what creates the timing marks which allows the ballots

4 to be counted by the voting machines. Royal adds the

5 timing marks to the ballot and then e-mails the

6 completed coded ballots to Dominion. Dominion then

7 programs the voting machines using the coded ballots

8 provided by Royal. And both Royal and Dominion have

9 agreed on this process as we've discussed during the

10 course of our interviews with the parties.

11 On October 4th, the final ballot forms were signed

12 off on by Sue Hanson from the Election Supervisor. And

13 on October 5th, there was a conference call held

14 between the clerk, Dominion, Royal, and the election

15 supervisor.

16 Coding by district was discussed in the creation

17 of the Election Day ballots. Now, recall the coding by

18 district was only required for the mail-in ballots for

19 the 2022 general election.

20 A decision was made by the clerk that we would

21 utilize the old system for provisional ballots and have

22 18 provisional ballot forms printed rather than 243.

23 This was keeping it at the municipality level rather

24 than the voting district level.

25 The decision was later confirmed by a series of

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1 communication between the parties. And by "the

2 parties," it's Royal, Dominion, and the clerk. All the

3 parties agree that the content of these communications

4 and the decision to utilize only 18 forms did take

5 place.

6 Now, if I could ask the Commissioners just to take

7 a quick look at the document -- yes. Commissioner

8 Cimino is holding up the 18 provisional voting

9 districts. And what you will see there is two ballots

10 from Election Day -- or one ballot from Election Day

11 that is marked "spoiled." The other ballot doesn't

12 have any markings on it because that was the actual

13 test deck ballot that we utilized.

14 On the left -- and you'll note, these were all

15 from the Trenton - South - District 6. If you notice

16 on the right-hand side on the ballot marked "spoiled,"

17 the coding number is 462. And if you look at the

18 actual Election Day ballot, the coding number is 687.

19 Exactly 225 off.

20 Also, if you put the two ballots next to each

21 other, you'll notice that the timing marks are

22 different. And the timing marks are those lines that

23 are surrounding it, and you'll see that they're a

24 little bit off.

25 Royal printed based on utilizing only the 18

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1 provisional ballot forms. Dominion program based on

2 the 243 provisional ballot forms that will be required

3 by law next year. That's why the codes are off by 225

4 on each and every voting district ballot.

5 I would note that if you do the math, it's 243

6 minus 18 is 225. That is the difference. The

7 discrepancy caused the machines on Election Day not to

8 read the Election Day ballot.

9 But the reality is the machines from Dominion

10 worked as they should have worked. Because the timing

11 marks were off, it was picking up that this was a

12 fraudulent ballot. The timing marks have to match in

13 order for the scanner to work. Anything that doesn't

14 match up is considered to be fraudulent by the

15 tabulator machine. So clearly the machines worked as

16 they should have.

17 Just a couple notes about these machines.

18 Initially they are not cloud based and they are not

19 connected to the Internet. The elections employees

20 cannot change or reprogram the ballots that are put

21 into the voting machines. The election server isn't

22 connected to the cloud or the Internet. There are two

23 computers that can be used to program the SD or the SIM

24 cards that are placed into the machines by the

25 employees, but they cannot reprogram the machine.

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1 The New Jersey Cyber Security and Communications

2 Integration Cell, commonly referred to as the New

3 Jersey Tech has tried to hack into these voting

4 machines. They have been unable to do so. And they

5 are among the top computer folks that we have here in

6 the State. So they are unable to do that.

7 I think the next thing to get into is that there

8 was some question raised about why did the voting

9 machines work properly during the inspection which took

10 place from October 21st to October 24th?

11 The answer is that that voting deck, that ballot

12 deck that was used that day was prepared by Dominion

13 based on the 243 voting districts. That deck worked as

14 it should have been because that's how the machines

15 were programmed. But it was this discrepancy that came

16 up later on that caused the -- and we'll use it in air

17 quotes "failure" of the voting machines on Election

18 Day.

19 There's been some information raised about ballots

20 from Robbinsville Township, as well as Princeton. The

21 Robbinsville ballots were actually at the Board of

22 Elections on election night. Our investigation

23 revealed that those ballots just weren't counted that

24 evening.

25 The ballots from Princeton, three empty voting

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1 bags were delivered to the Board of Elections. The

2 next day a Court Order was obtained by the Election's

3 personnel, those three machines were open and the

4 ballots were located in the emergency bin where they

5 should have been. And there are anti-tampering devices

6 on the voting machines. None of those were tampered

7 with. They were actually opened by the Election's

8 personnel and we're confident that these ballots

9 weren't tampered with.

10 So with that, this really does come down to a

11 communication error on that part. And, again, we just

12 want to thank everyone for their cooperation, from the

13 clerk to Royal Printing to Dominion Voting Machines,

14 Superintendent Walker, we appreciated all of their

15 input in this.

16 So if any of the Commissioners have any questions,

17 I'd be happy to answer those.

18 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Anyone?

19 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Thank you.

20 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you very much.

21 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: Thank you, Prosecutor.

22 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: I would now like to invite our

23 County Executive Brian Hughes to the podium.

24 MR. HUGHES: Thank you, Prosecutor. You're

25 leaving the room pretty quickly. You must not want to

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1 stay for the 70 resolutions that we have.

2 We all are aware two weeks ago in-person voting in

3 our general election was hammered by all sorts of

4 problems. There were issues with scanners leading to

5 slower than normal tallies. The good news is that we

6 have paper ballots to count. But the mix-up brings us

7 to larger issues in how we do our elections in Mercer

8 County and how we count our votes.

9 This is something that should never happen again.

10 And I think one of the issues is that we have an

11 election system brought upon us by the Government and

12 the State of New Jersey that has a County Clerk who's

13 elected, it's a constitutional office, but we also have

14 a Superintendent of Elections and we have a Board of

15 Elections. And those folks are brought to us through a

16 political means.

17 The Chairwoman of the Republican Party, Lisa

18 Richford, and the Chairwoman of the Democratic Party,

19 Ms. Mironov, are the ones that appoint the Directors of

20 the Elections Board. They also are involved in the

21 employment of the workers of the Election Board. And

22 also have a hand in who the superintendent of election

23 is. That's something we cannot ignore and resolve.

24 But that's something -- those are three different

25 elements that have a hand in who decides what process

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1 we have our elections in. And I think it's something

2 that our Board, your Board, Madam Chair, can do

3 something about.

4 Camden County and a few other counties just

5 recently changed their process to merge their

6 Superintendent Board with their Elections Board. So

7 you have a more professional, you have an executive

8 director, you have someone who is absolutely in charge

9 and dedicated to controlling and -- not controlling --

10 into producing election results for the county that we

11 may need to take a look at. And I ask you all to take

12 a look at that.

13 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: County Executive?

14 MR. HUGHES: Yes. Go ahead.

15 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: In regards to the model in

16 Camden, is that Executive Director appointed? How do

17 they come to the Executive Director --

18 MR. HUGHES: Well, listen, I'd have to check in on

19 that with you, John.

20 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: Okay.

21 MR. HUGHES: But I think I don't want to have any

22 role, and I don't now have a role in how we --

23 elections. That would bring a fourth finger in the

24 pot, which we don't need.

25 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: Okay.

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1 MR. HUGHES: But I think to merge those three,

2 right now we have a superintendent who is appointed by

3 the governor with the chair's recommendation and

4 approved by the Senator. We have a Board of Elections

5 that are appointed by the two Chairs, the Democrat and

6 Republican party. And I think it's just too convoluted

7 to have the kind of elections that we have now.

8 We have drop-off ballots. We have mail-in

9 ballots. We have in-person ballots. You can vote

10 three weeks before the election and three weeks -- it

11 seems like three weeks after the election.

12 But we really need to take a look at who is in

13 charge of our election process. It ought to be one

14 person that we can go to and see what happens and what

15 went wrong.

16 And I appreciate the Prosecutor. He said Dominion

17 didn't make a mistake. Royal didn't make a mistake.

18 The Clerk didn't make a mistake. The Superintendent

19 and the Board didn't make any mistakes. Yet, we are

20 one of 21 counties where our machines didn't work and

21 we became a statewide, and I'll admit it, we became a

22 statewide embarrassment, quite frankly. We weren't

23 able to count our votes on Election Day, and that

24 should never happen again. And what modifications we

25 need to make, we are here as the County, we will spend

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1 whatever money it takes. We will make whatever

2 modification it takes. But we will be behind this

3 Board to work with you to make the changes that we need

4 to make. Thank you very much.

5 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

6 I am now going to turn the presentation to the

7 election officials and the service vendors for any

8 comments that they would like to share.

9 We invited you here to provide information and

10 also to allow you to hear the concerns of the public.

11 So I will open it up to whoever wants to come up to the

12 podium to share any additional information with us.

13 MR. WALKER: Madam Chair, Commissioners, members

14 of the public, my name is Nathaniel Walker, Mercer

15 County Superintendent of Elections.

16 County executives, I applaud this effort to

17 explain to the public what happened on Election Day.

18 I'm not going to testify on things that I don't have

19 any knowledge of. I can assure you that the machines,

20 as the prosecutor indicated, were passing the program

21 and did accept the test ballots.

22 That's about all I guess I can say at this point,

23 and I would like to ask the county clerk to come up.

24 And we do have a protocol that we've been

25 following, and the current protocol for testing the

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1 machines is a protocol that we used in 2021 for the

2 general election, and we also used that same protocol

3 in 2022 for the primary.

4 I've talked with Dominion, and we're going to

5 institute new protocols to offset this current

6 situation. I'm fortunate to say that Bob Giles is here

7 from Dominion and he can explain that further.

8 Without further adieu, the County Clerk, Paula

9 Covello.

10 MS. SOLLAMI COVELLO: Good evening, everyone.

11 Thank you so much County Commissioners for having this

12 open forum tonight. It is wonderful to have an

13 opportunity to tell the public exactly what happened.

14 And I want to thank very much, Prosecutor Onofri

15 and their amazing team, for a very thorough

16 investigation in which you really clearly explained

17 exactly what happened in detail, and I think that made

18 it much easier for all of us to come explain it

19 tonight. So, I thank you, I thought it brought forth

20 integrity, transparency, and it really accurately

21 explained what happened.

22 We are here to explain anything further if you'd

23 like to know, but I will tell you that the County

24 Clerk's office did print the ballots exactly as

25 requested. And they were properly, you know, sent over

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1 and we have all kinds of evidence to show and proof of

2 e-mails, things of that nature, to show what we did to

3 make sure that they were sent properly.

4 Beyond that, there's nothing more I can say,

5 except that we always work hard and we make sure that

6 everyone has an ability to have their vote cast, their

7 vote counted, and we did that again in this election.

8 I think the fact that we had a paper trail, and we

9 have paper, it's an excellent investment that the

10 County made. Because if we would have had a breakdown

11 in equipment prior to this, there would not have been

12 an election. If the machines went down without a paper

13 trail, we could not have gone forward. But because you

14 had invested in buying these machines, we were able to

15 take that paper back, we were able to count the votes.

16 And as you know, we completed it on time. Today

17 all those ballots were certified to my office on time

18 because today is the State deadline, and in compliance

19 with the law. Some counties still are still counting,

20 but Mercer is done. We had completed our count on

21 time. And now I have until the 26th for us to create

22 the reports for us to certify to the State.

23 So I want to make sure that everybody knows that

24 that despite the setbacks, Mercer is in compliance,

25 everybody voted, and the election went forward.

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1 So I thank you so much again for having this, and

2 I thank you all. Thank you.

3 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Next speaker.

4 MR. GILES: Good evening, everyone. My name is

5 Bob Giles. I'm the Vice President of Certification and

6 Compliance for Dominion Voting Systems.

7 And just a quick little background, I started

8 there May 2nd. Prior to that, I was with the Ocean

9 County Board of Elections for 13 years. And I was the

10 State Election Director for New Jersey for the last

11 14 years, retiring May 1st.

12 I want to thank you for having us here to have the

13 transparency to discuss what did occur, and how we are

14 going to improve the process so that it never occurs

15 again.

16 So, as the Prosecutor said, and Dominion agrees,

17 that it's been determined that this was not a Dominion

18 tabulation equipment issue, nor was it a printing

19 error.

20 Royal Printing has always and continues to print

21 high quality ballots that meets Dominion's

22 requirements. This was entirely a process error that

23 relates to individual ballot ID as a result of a change

24 to the provisional ballots, as the Prosecutor

25 discussed.

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1 I'm going to walkthrough it quickly, and some of


2 it will be repetitive, but I want to just make sure
3 everybody understands how the process works and what
4 occurred for this election.
5 So setting up an election requires a partnership
6 between the County Clerk, Royal Printing and Dominion.
7 The County Clerk works with the printer to design and
8 layout the ballot for each town.
9 When that phase is completed, Dominion staff
10 verifies that the timing marks and the target areas,
11 the ovals, are correct. This was completed on
12 September 16th of this year.
13 The printer then assigns unique ballot IDs that
14 represent each towns individual wards and election
15 districts to the ballots. These unique ballot IDs --
16 THE COURT REPORTER: Sir, can you slow it down a
17 little bit?
18 MR. GILES: I'm sorry.
19 When that phase is completed, Dominion staff
20 verifies that the timing marks and target areas, the
21 ovals where you cast the votes, are correct. This was
22 completed on September 16th.
23 The printer then assigns unique ballot IDs that
24 represent each towns individual wards and election
25 districts to the ballots. These unique ballot IDs are

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1 what tells the system where to assign the votes cast on

2 the ballot. The election database cannot be created

3 without this information.

4 On October 5th at 11:33 a.m., Dominion received

5 the files that contained this information. This is an

6 individual file for vote by mail ballots, provisional

7 ballots, Election Day ballots, and early voting

8 ballots. There was a total of 974 individual ballot

9 IDs in this first set of files. Dominion staff

10 immediately began building the election database.

11 On that day, October 5th at roughly 2:00 p.m.,

12 there was a phone call between the County Clerk, Royal

13 Printing and Dominion. During this call, a decision

14 was made not to produce provisional ballots by town,

15 ward and district, but rather just by town and ward.

16 This reduced the number of unique ballot IDs required

17 by 225.

18 On October 5th at 3:51 p.m., Dominion staff

19 received the updated set of files containing the change

20 to the provisional ballot ID, removing the 225 unique

21 provisional ballot IDs. This is where a

22 miscommunication occurred.

23 The Dominion staff thought that only the

24 provisional ballot IDs were changed, but in fact, the

25 Election Day and early voting ballot IDs were also

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1 adjusted to reflect the new numbering sequence of 225

2 less ballot IDs. As a result of this, Dominion staff

3 updated the database with the new ballot ID numbers for

4 the provisional ballots only.

5 On Election Day, when the ballots at the polling

6 sites were run through the tabulators, the tabulators

7 did not recognize the ballot IDs, and therefore would

8 not scan the ballots. This is how the tabulators are

9 certified to work.

10 Once it was determined what the issue was,

11 Dominion and Royal Printing worked together to update

12 the central tabulators, the high speed tabulators that

13 the Prosecutor spoke of, so they would be able to read

14 the Election Day ballots at the Board of Elections

15 office.

16 Voters were instructed to vote as they would

17 normally, and that their ballots would be counted at

18 the Board of Elections office, as opposed to scanning

19 locally.

20 Just so you're aware, and Paula spoke of, the

21 County Clerk spoke of meeting the deadline to certify,

22 over 94 percent of the ballots were counted by 4 p.m.

23 the next day. So in less than twenty-four hours, 94

24 percent of the ballots were counted.

25 We have been working closely with Royal Printing

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1 to define an updated change management system that

2 ensures this will never happen again. If the County

3 needs to make any changes after the initial election

4 has been configured, the new process will not only call

5 out the specific changes that have been made, it will

6 also explicitly define what hasn't changed. With this

7 process improvement, we are confident that all of this

8 will never happen again.

9 And I just want to reference there was some talk

10 about the test deck, why it read properly and the

11 Superintendent's Office did exactly what they were

12 supposed to do. So we create test deck to make sure

13 the system is reading the ballots accurately.

14 The test deck has a complicated sequence of votes,

15 votes cast resulting in over 5000 individual ballots.

16 So just so you understand, what we look to do with this

17 is, if there are five candidates, you want to make sure

18 that each location is correct. So the first candidate

19 has to get five votes, the second four, then three,

20 then two, then one. This sequence has to occur. So in

21 order to do that, it generates an incredible number of

22 ballots.

23 Due to the size and complexity of the test deck

24 that is generated from the election database and the

25 PDFs are printed by Royal Printing. Since the test

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1 deck was printed from the database, the tabulators

2 recognize the ballot IDs and scan the ballots during

3 L&N, during the logic and accuracy test. So because

4 the ballots were generated from the system which had

5 the original ballot ID numbers, that's why the system

6 and the tabulators recognized that.

7 So moving forward, for the tabulation, what we're

8 going to do is not only have the ballots that are

9 generated from the system, we are also going to include

10 printed ballots from the printer so they get included

11 so if we had 5000 ballots, we will have an additional

12 243 ballots, one for each individual ballot ID. So

13 this way we will be certain that not only will the

14 patterns and the result expected come out, but also the

15 ballots printed by the printer will also be scanned.

16 Do you have any questions?

17 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Commissioner Cimino?

18 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: Thank you, Chairwoman.

19 Can you help me understand how much counties in

20 New Jersey are you in?

21 MR. GILES: We -- well, there's a bit of a mix

22 with old equipment and new equipment.

23 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: With this --

24 MR. GILES: With this system, the only other

25 county that does exactly what you guys are currently

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1 doing is Essex County, and they've been doing it since

2 2020.

3 THE COURT: And is Royal Printing also the printer

4 for Essex?

5 MR. GILES: No.

6 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: So, obviously there was no

7 issue in Essex that you're aware of?

8 MR. GILES: Yeah. That I'm aware of, no.

9 The issue, and we haven't had an issue with Royal

10 Printing. They've been a great partner. What happened

11 that is different is that we made a change, and after

12 the initial file was sent and --

13 COMMISSIONER CIMINO: Who's "we"?

14 MR. GILES: So that's what I was saying, so the

15 County Clerk, Dominion and Royal had a phone call and

16 the decision was made -- so in the initial file the

17 provisional ballots were down to the district level.

18 That's how we got to that 243. On that call -- and

19 that was what was in the original file that was sent.

20 But later in that day, 2 o'clock on that phone

21 call, a decision was made because it wasn't required by

22 law to have the provisional ballots by district, that

23 they would not produce them by individual election

24 district, they would only produce those by town and

25 ward. So that was the difference. And that's the

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1 lesson learned when going into a change.

2 And this is only the second general election that

3 Mercer County is utilizing preprinted paper ballots.

4 So it's a new process. And, unfortunately, sometimes

5 there are lessons learned and we get better from that,

6 and that is what we intend to do. And as far as I

7 know, this is the first time we dealt with a change and

8 that's where the issue arose from.

9 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Any other questions?

10 COMMISSIONER STOKES: I have one.

11 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Go ahead.

12 COMMISSIONER STOKES: When we talk about these

13 changes that occurred, right, typically that's followed

14 up and documented in an e-mail or some type of formal

15 formalized communication whereas it minimizes the

16 opportunities for those type of mistakes to happen.

17 Did that occur in this instance? Or did we took

18 what happened on a phone call and said, okay, this is

19 what's going to be the documented change that we're

20 going to do.

21 MR. GILES: So there was a follow-up e-mail that

22 said these are the new files. Where the

23 misunderstanding was the Dominion team member who was

24 on the call left the call thinking that it was only

25 going to be the provisional ballots that were changed.

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1 So when the new files came over, the staff only updated

2 the provisional ballots. They did not update the

3 Election Day or early voting ballot files.

4 So the early voting ballots worked okay. There

5 wasn't an issue with those because the early voting was

6 conducted with the ballot marking devices. So those

7 recognized -- those were setup and programmed by

8 Dominion using the original database. Had you used

9 preprinted ballots for early voting, you would have had

10 the same problem. But because the early voting

11 machines were looking at the original database, that's

12 why the ballot on Dominion printers worked and the

13 scanners were able to accurately read those.

14 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Commissioner Walter?

15 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Just to follow-up on that.

16 So because in early voting, they must be able to

17 recognize all 243 districts, right? Because when I go

18 in, I can go to any early voting place.

19 MR. GILES: Yes.

20 COMMISSIONER WALTER: And so those were set to do

21 that original process?

22 MR. GILES: Correct.

23 COMMISSIONER WALTER: And it was the Election Day,

24 that's why early voting worked and Election --

25 MR. GILES: Early voting worked because we used

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1 the ballot marking devices, exactly, which were

2 programmed based on the original database.

3 So had we used tabulators in early voting and

4 preprinted those, we would have run in to the same

5 issue.

6 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Thank you.

7 COMMISSIONER STOKES: Just for clarification, the

8 date for the test deck?

9 MR. GILES: The test deck?

10 COMMISSIONER STOKES: What was that date?

11 MR. GILES: So the ballots were received on

12 October 5th. The test deck was generated on

13 October 9th. And, again, I don't want to speak to the

14 Superintendents, but my understanding is --

15 MR. WALKER: We received them on the 11th,

16 October 11th.

17 MR. GILES: So they received them on October 11th,

18 that's what I have.

19 And the other issue -- and early voting started on

20 October 29th. So as discussed, you know, with the

21 changes in legislation, and you know, last year we

22 started early voting, that cut the timeline down by ten

23 days to have your ballots ready. So we had a little

24 bit of a perfect storm this year where we have a very

25 compressed timeline and then there was a change made

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1 and resulted in this unfortunate situation.

2 But like I said, we have a plan. We're working

3 closely with Royal Printing so it doesn't happen again.

4 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Sorry. Just for

5 clarification, and that call happened when?

6 MR. GILES: October 5th.

7 COMMISSIONER WALTER: October 5th.

8 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Any other questions?

9 MR. GILES: Thank you.

10 MS. SOLLAMI COVELLO: I just wanted to clarify the

11 timeline. Paula Sollami Covello, County Clerk. Kevin

12 Passante from Royal Printing is going to speak.

13 But I just wanted to let you know that all of that

14 occurred on the same day. So at 11:30 in the morning

15 on October 5th, we had an e-mail with the ballot

16 styles.

17 We had a call at 2 p.m. where we said we didn't

18 want to have provisionals broken down by district

19 because that was going to create more time and money

20 for all of us. It costs money when you prepare a

21 ballot style. So instead of having 243 professional

22 styles, we decided to go by town to save money and save

23 time.

24 And then at 430, the same day, Royal Printing and

25 Dominion sent an acknowledgement that they had received

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1 all of the updates from Dominion and that they were

2 going to implement and reprogram based on the call. So

3 it all took place on the same day. And that's why, you

4 know, and they did acknowledge and they were willing to

5 accept that, they did acknowledge that they were going

6 to change the ballot styles and they sent us the new

7 styles. So something just happened, a human error took

8 place where somebody did not make the program changes

9 that they were sent.

10 MR. PASSANTE: Good evening. Kevin Passante,

11 P-A-S-S-A-N-T-E, from Royal Printing.

12 And I don't want to keep everybody all night with

13 repetitive, you know, retelling of the story --

14 MR. HERBERT: I apologize, Mr. Passante. Can you

15 state what your position is with Royal Printing?

16 MR. PASSANTE: Sure. I'm one of the owners of the

17 company. My brother and I are partners in the

18 business.

19 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

20 MR. PASSANTE: You know, I don't want to restate I

21 guess a lot of the things that were said here. But to

22 give you a little bit of background on my company,

23 we've been printing ballots since 1992. We are

24 contracted with ten different counties in the State of

25 New Jersey to print ballots. And we print election

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1 ballots using all different machine types and voting

2 machines, and we've adapted with the changes as the

3 changes have come. So I am very familiar with the

4 process. It's not that I'm not -- I heard some

5 comments before about Essex County and not, but we deal

6 with all different types of voting machines and

7 ballots.

8 Pretty much what everyone said up here is

9 accurate. I'm the one that discovered what the reason

10 was on Election Day when I heard that there were issues

11 that the machines weren't scanning. And, you know, we

12 were hearing all kinds of theories, you know, as to why

13 they weren't working. And I said, well, you know,

14 what's going on? And we figured out that the ballot

15 code numbers were off by 225. That rang in my head

16 very clearly. I said, you know, 225 is not a random

17 number. That's the difference between the 243 and the

18 18. So I immediately knew it had to do with the change

19 that was made on October the 5th when the ballots were

20 approved by County Clerk Covello's office.

21 Protocol for my job and our process, I think it

22 was stated a little bit earlier, we get the information

23 from the county clerk's office. We set up and layout

24 all of the ballots. We get the approval of the County

25 Clerk, who has jurisdiction over the ballot layout and

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1 what the ballot looks like based on what the drawing

2 results are. They then review them for content, go

3 through them and check to make sure everyone's name is

4 spelled correctly, dates and instructions are correct

5 on those ballots. And then from there, they sign off

6 on each of the versions and say, okay, you're okay to

7 print.

8 The new procedure with these new machines that

9 were put into place in Mercer County now, as Bob Giles

10 had said, required us to code the ballots by individual

11 district so that way the county is getting the most

12 accurate district specific results.

13 So that was done on the vote by mail ballots,

14 which are the first ballots that are done because those

15 are always the first ones you want to get in the mail,

16 and those ballots were numbered like 1 to 243. Hence,

17 those ballots wouldn't have been affected by pulling

18 out any numbers because they were the first ones that

19 were produced.

20 Any ballots that were produced after the

21 provisional ballots where the error happened, where

22 there were originally 243 and the County Clerk said I

23 don't want to spend the money for 243 of those yet if

24 we don't have to, let's go to 18, once we did that, any

25 ballots that would have gone after that had to be

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1 resequenced, renumbered, so that included the Election

2 Day ballots.

3 So we then, you know, were told by Dominion, you

4 need to re-code the whole election whenever there's a

5 change. So we re-coded all of the ballots on October

6 the 5th when Paula Covello made the decision that we

7 were not going to go with 243 versions of the

8 provisional ballot, we're going to go with 18. We then

9 re-coded all of the ballots.

10 Now my process is I send those to Dominion and

11 say, okay, here are the ballots. So they had been sent

12 earlier in the day before the conference call and

13 before the decision was made to go to only 18

14 provisional ballots.

15 And then the conference call took place a couple

16 hours later and Paula decided that we were only going

17 to go with only 18 versions, so we were instructed by

18 Dominion to re-code. Okay. You know you're going to

19 have to re-code, Kevin, and I said yes. And then we

20 re-coded and sent them to Dominion. Dominion

21 acknowledged that they did get them; however, when they

22 reprogrammed the machines, they didn't program the

23 machines thinking that the Election Day ballots have

24 also changed. And we had changed the Election Day

25 ballots because you want to keep all of the ballots in

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1 sequential number order. That's my story.

2 If I can answer any questions for anybody, I'm

3 happy to do so.

4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Can I ask a question?

5 MR. PASSANTE: Sure.

6 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: No. No. I'm sorry. We don't

7 do that.

8 MR. PASSANTE: I was talking to the panel, okay.

9 Very good. Thank you.

10 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Is there anybody else from the

11 election officials or vendors that wanted to come up

12 and advise us?

13 No. I think we're going to do public comment now,

14 Wayne. I have to wait and then do other comment, okay.

15 Assemblyman, since you are an elected official, I

16 am going to allow you to speak.

17 MR. DeANGELO: Good evening, my name is Wayne

18 DeAngelo. I reside at 105 Limewood Drive in Hamilton,

19 New Jersey. I'm a representative of the 14 Legislative

20 District.

21 Madam Chair, Vice Chair, County Commissioners,

22 thank you for allowing me a few moments to discuss some

23 concerns that I have, and thank you again for having

24 this hearing.

25 Myself as well brought this to the attention of

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1 the Legislature on potentially doing a hearing very

2 similar like you have, so that's why I'm standing in

3 the back trying to get as much information as I can.

4 So we've been entrusted by the residence of Mercer

5 County to review their representatives and make sure

6 that their voices are heard, whether it's legislation

7 we're passing, whether it's the things we're doing, or

8 their vote, all right.

9 We made changes to try to make things better to

10 try to open up to allow more people the opportunity to

11 vote, different time frames to vote, but that integrity

12 has been broken. Right. We all see that.

13 I think the room, and I think the residents need

14 to figure out where that problem was because we can

15 talk a lot, and we can hear from the vendors what's

16 going on, but I don't know if the residents are

17 comfortable with that. I don't know whether the

18 discussions that take place from whether was it the

19 marker that was used, or it going into a dumpster that

20 looks like where the scanners are, is it where are my

21 votes going? How come the super scanners -- I heard

22 the term "super scanners" work, but these don't work.

23 And I've heard the explanations by the vendors, and I

24 appreciate wholeheartedly the efforts on behalf of the

25 prosecutor's office for ensuring that the votes that

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1 are there now have been counted, that everyone showed

2 up on Election Day and their vote has been heard, but

3 we have to do better.

4 I'm willing to work with the County and your

5 Commissioners to make sure that we are -- that

6 everybody's vote counts. It's scary. And I hate to

7 say it, we made national attention that day. When I

8 get a phone call, hey dad, we're on national attention

9 right here in Mercer County and not necessarily for a

10 good thing.

11 Thank you. I'm going to stand in the back here

12 and hear some more concerns. And I appreciate

13 everything. Thank you very much for doing this. And

14 when we do ours at the State, I want to ask that you

15 guys come as well as representatives to kind of give me

16 some more feedback -- and she's typing very quickly,

17 and I'm trying not to talk too fast here -- and make

18 sure that every voice is heard, so thank you.

19 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Commissioner Walter?

20 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Assemblyman, I want to thank

21 you for coming. And I do want to say that I hope as we

22 go into these hearings, there will be a dedicated

23 source of funding for counties because the legislative

24 changes and the compression of timelines has really

25 affected the county offices that deal with elections.

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1 And, you know, it's easy some times to pass the

2 legislation and the legislation may be absolutely

3 accurate, exactly what we need. But I think some times

4 the timing was off and it put additional pressure on a

5 system that already is a high pressure system.

6 So as you go back and they do these hearings,

7 perhaps that piece can be looked at too in helping the

8 counties to have the most open fairest election we

9 possibly can.

10 MR. DeANGELO: Thank you, Vice Chair. And some of

11 the things that people have said to be as well is our

12 federal government has given that voting autonomy to

13 the individual states. And that we here in New Jersey

14 have taken that and given it to the counties.

15 You know, people said how come there's not one

16 voting system New Jersey wide? Why is everybody

17 potentially doing something different? Depending on

18 who the voters are, we all know as we get set in our

19 ways as we get older, how come my polling location has

20 changed? How come my voting is different this time?

21 The last time I voted it was maybe five or six years

22 ago, it's not the same as it was then.

23 You know, I think in disclosure, I think that we

24 do need to invest more on education and information

25 getting out to people because we all know that some

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1 times it takes more than one time for the information

2 to get out there.

3 So thank you very much, and I'll be looking

4 forward to listening in the back.

5 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you, Assemblyman.

6 Before we go to public comment, I just wanted to

7 make sure that there was no other presentation we

8 needed from the vendors or any of our election

9 officials?

10 All right. So as I said, we're now going to move

11 into the public comment. So I do want to let everybody

12 know that the public comment will be limited to one

13 session per person with a three minute time

14 restriction. I will be holding everyone to their three

15 minutes as it is our policy, and we want to allow

16 everyone an opportunity to speak.

17 Any formal questions should be addressed to the

18 Chair. And please note that the public comment is not

19 considered to be a Q and A. Questions will be noted

20 and will be responded to in due time, as appropriate.

21 We do have a court stenographer here in attendance so

22 that we will be able to record accurately all of the

23 public comments and any questions.

24 So I will begin --

25 MR. HERBERT: Madam Chair, if I may?

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1 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Certainly.

2 MR. HERBERT: If you feel an urge to call out,

3 please don't. This young lady hear is the most

4 important person in the room. She's taking down

5 everything that's being said. If you call out, she

6 cannot record who's making a statement up here. You

7 know, anything like that, please try not to do that.

8 We really would appreciate it.

9 Thank you.

10 Oh, yes. When you come up, name and address, and

11 please spell out your last time for the young lady

12 here.

13 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Okay. So the first person I

14 have is Patricia Johnson.

15 MS. JOHNSON: Hi, I'm Patricia Johnson. That's

16 P-A-T-R-I-C-I-A J-O-H-N-S-O-N at 285 Manor Boulevard

17 in Yardville, New Jersey.

18 I have many things that I want to say, but the

19 first things that I want to question is some things

20 that the prosecutor said. He stated that the tags were

21 on the bags when they counted them at the site. I was

22 there. They were not all on the bags when they pulled

23 them out of the voting machines. So I'm not sure who

24 gave them that information, but I was there for every

25 session.

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1 The other thing I wanted to say was they said that

2 there were three bags they came in from Princeton,

3 Stephanie Reichardt, who is here, as well as myself

4 were there that night. Three bags did not come in

5 empty. Two bags came in. One was full, one was

6 partially full, and one was missing. He came in in an

7 Uber. He stated that the third bag was going to be

8 coming. We waited. We did not see it come. That bag

9 -- so one bag was untagged, and one bag was tagged.

10 That's one thing.

11 And that leads me to saying that integrity is

12 about doing the right thing regardless of circumstance

13 and convenience of any alliance or party. When

14 election integrity is compromised, voters who know

15 their votes matter are disenfranchised out of fear that

16 their votes will not be counted, and that is not what

17 happened. This is not just about the machine, it is

18 about the process that happened throughout.

19 I happened to decide to follow this election

20 because I'm going to be running the next time and I

21 wanted to see what the election went like. Well, I am

22 very, very upset with what I saw.

23 I happened to be at the voting sites when they

24 went down. I saw it. I heard it. I spoke with Severn

25 from Dominion early in the morning at 9:11 to be exact,

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1 and he told me the machines would not be up the rest of

2 the day.

3 Now, I want to say something, Mary that works in

4 Elections told Christopher Luca, he's a legislative

5 aide, that the machines could have been up in the

6 afternoon but that she made the decision that that

7 wasn't going to happen. So I'm not sure where all this

8 goes, but I know that that could have happened.

9 Now, in saying that, we have a lack of integrity

10 when you have machines that are opened during the day

11 and the tags are taken off and votes are put on the

12 floor, and we have pictures of that.

13 I was at the site when they brought bags in and

14 there were 17 bags in total that were untagged. Some

15 of them were brought in by one person. Some of them

16 were brought in 45 minutes apart by two people from the

17 same site and they were unopened. It's not

18 appropriate. Where is the chain of custody?

19 This is all about the chain of custody. It's not

20 about the machines alone. It's about everything that

21 happened from beginning to end. And I happened to be

22 at each and every one of those things to see it.

23 So I feel that there's so much more that you need

24 to discuss and that we need to think about because it's

25 not fair to the people. We -- I do not believe -- I am

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1 somebody who believes in our election process, but I

2 believe in integrity. And if we don't show the people

3 in New Jersey --

4 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you. The time is up.

5 Donald Ober?

6 MR. OBER: I'm her brother.

7 Donald Ober, 14 Englewood Boulevard, Hamilton

8 Township, New Jersey. O-B-E-R.

9 With all due respect to everyone here, I think

10 those of us that are concerned about the integrity of

11 the election are chasing the wrong rabbit.

12 I don't even care about the machines at this

13 point. And with all due respect to the prosecutors, I

14 believe they probably did a very good job.

15 However, what happens after that is so important

16 for you to gain the trust of the public. When I go to

17 my polling booth and I see a democrat watcher there and

18 a republican watcher there, I feel safe. I feel my

19 vote matters. However, at the end of the night when I

20 hear that 17 bags left polling places untied in a car

21 that didn't have a republican and a democrat in charge

22 of them, the chain of custody no longer exists.

23 Anybody here that's worked in any kind of legal

24 proceedings knows that if you brought in evidence in a

25 criminal case and the chain of custody was broken, if

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1 that evidence was sealed by the time it got to the

2 police station it was opened, it would not be

3 permissible. I do not understand why these votes were

4 allowed to continue and why this chain of custody --

5 that's the main issue that we have -- that I have, I'm

6 sorry. I won't speak for anybody else. But that's the

7 main check I have.

8 Because from what I know, and before you get to it

9 I know one answer is going to be let's just say for

10 instance 500 votes went into the bag, 500 votes were

11 delivered. That does not mean the same 500 votes that

12 went in there are the same 500 votes that went out and

13 were tabulated because the chain of custody was broken

14 because the tags were broken. So you do not know

15 whether somebody pulled them out and put something else

16 in. You only know that you got the same exact number

17 of votes that supposedly went into the machine.

18 There's been a lot of talk this year about danger

19 to democracy, threat to democracy. Not trusting the

20 election system is the threat to democracy. And I

21 cannot trust this election.

22 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Lisa Richford?

23 MS. RICHFORD: Good evening. Lisa Richford, 37

24 Burnside Avenue, Hamilton, New Jersey. I am the Mercer

25 County Republican Chairwoman, and I've been a

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1 challenger for 31 years. I've been Chair for ten

2 years.

3 So with that, I'm not an election theory

4 conspirator or an election denier. I'm here not as a

5 republican or a democrat. I'm here as a voter and

6 what's occurred at this election this time.

7 This should be -- and the single biggest issue

8 right now is corrupt elections. And we don't talk

9 about it. But they are corrupt here in Mercer County.

10 Mercer County made World News Tonight. Voluminous news

11 sources, articles, radio coverage. I mean, we were the

12 only place where every single machine went down. I had

13 fielded hundreds of calls.

14 I'm going to try to speak quicker because I know

15 I've been -- the sheriffs were called on me before when

16 I was here. On July 1st of 2021, we were asked to come

17 to an emergency -- well, we weren't asked. We were

18 surprised by an emergency meeting that was here to

19 approve $3.5 million. 2.5 million -- or you were

20 asked, 2.5 million for Dominion and 1 million for

21 Tenex. Is Tenex here? They received a million

22 dollars.

23 And those were supposed to be questions about the

24 process and procedures that never occurred that

25 evening, process and procedures and safeguards,

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1 protocols, best practices, none of that. It was pushed

2 through. We were shamed here. The republican party,

3 democrats, members of the voting community, we tried to

4 ask questions. We were not entertained to any

5 questions. We weren't allowed to ask any questions.

6 We were given the three minutes.

7 This is an unprecedented travesty this election.

8 And this was a part where there was definitely election

9 disenfranchisement, suppression of the voters, people

10 left. And as far as being asked, there was no

11 republican representation and the superintendent of

12 elections office.

13 I have to say with County Executive Hughes, there

14 is a system. It's a tri-party system here, and most

15 people don't understand it. And there is a Chair for

16 the dem's and the republicans.

17 I have been trying for five years. The first

18 three trying to replace a holdover, a holdover

19 Superintendent of Elections, who when they're so

20 entrenched and in the pockets of the parties that

21 compromised employees, which I brought to the

22 attention. Mr. Giles, before he became an employee of

23 Dominion, worked for the Director of the State of New

24 Jersey. And I've also brought these things to the

25 attention of also the DAG George Cohen. When I brought

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1 election interference issues in they've been dismissed.

2 This is why there is no election interference -- I

3 know. I'm coming close. My time is for three minutes.

4 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Yes. I'm sorry.

5 MS. RICHFORD: There's so much more to talk to

6 about here. But I'll tell you right now, there is no

7 republican representation for this election. It has

8 been met with senatorial courtesy blockage, and we have

9 nobody in there with eyes --

10 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: I'm sorry. We do have a lot

11 of people --

12 MS. RICHFORD: But there's no republicans there

13 pursuant to the statute. They're required. That

14 didn't happen, and there hasn't been anybody there for

15 a year. And I think the public should need to know

16 that.

17 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

18 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Just for the public record,

19 I believe the person that was in holdover in the

20 superintendent election was appointed as a republican

21 and in that holdover position as a republican.

22 And I believe in the superintendent's office, we

23 had a resignation that occurred right before the

24 election, and that person was the Republican Chair of

25 the Board of Elections who resigned. I don't want to

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1 get into a back and forth --

2 MS. RICHFORD: Okay. Well, there's more to it

3 than that. There's much, much more to it than that.

4 And I just wanted to make that clear.

5 MR. HERBERT: Thank you. Thank you.

6 MS. RICHFORD: But that has been blocked for

7 five years. That republican shouldn't have been in

8 there.

9 MR. HERBERT: Ms. Richford, we have to allow other

10 people to speak.

11 MS. RICHFORD: And this administration knows that.

12 MR. HERBERT: Thank you, Ms. Richford.

13 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Don Staley?

14 MR. STALEY: Don Staley, S-T-A-L-E-Y. Good

15 evening. Thank you for the opportunity --

16 MR. HERBERT: Sir, your address, please?

17 MR. STALEY: Oh, I'm sorry. It's 7 Valley View

18 Court. That's in Hamilton.

19 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

20 MR. STALEY: I just have a couple of questions,

21 and then I just have a comment.

22 So, just for the record, I'd like to find out how

23 can one find out or review who voted in the mail-in

24 ballots by municipality?

25 Number 2, the mail-in ballots were received by

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1 whom? Whom actually received those ballots?

2 Number 3, who counted those ballots once they were

3 received?

4 Number 4, were both parties republican and

5 democrats, were they present when those ballots were

6 received and counted?

7 So I don't expect an answer now. I understand

8 that those will be forthcoming.

9 But I just have a comment, just listening to

10 Dominion and Royal Printing. I spent over 30 years in

11 technology sales. And I know that typically that every

12 contract that we had, there was always a provision

13 called a service level agreement, an SLA.

14 Because, typically, whenever something happens and

15 it goes sideways, it doesn't work the way both parties

16 expected, there's penalties that are paid.

17 And we never, in all the time that I've done this,

18 we've never had a situation where both parties can say

19 it wasn't our fault. We always looked at the

20 situation. We did an analysis of the situation and

21 came to an agreement that someone had to pay for the

22 errors that were committed, whether it was technology,

23 whether it was something that wasn't done properly.

24 And I'm just saying that I'm hoping that the

25 agreement that our county had entered into with

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1 Dominion and Royal Printing, there was a SLA

2 incorporated into that contract. Because, quite

3 honestly, as a taxpayer, I'm hoping that there's

4 something that we can go back and not only ensure that

5 this doesn't happen again, but to make sure that to

6 really help to bring back the voter confidence that we

7 can say, you know, we're going to hold someone

8 accountable. You know, we used to call it "one throat

9 to choke," because we want to make sure that somebody

10 pays for what happened. Because like I said, in any

11 situation there's never been a time where people can

12 be, you know, held unaccountable.

13 So I just wanted to bring that forward and offer

14 my two cents based on my experience. And, again, I

15 want to thank you for the time to pose these questions

16 and give these comments.

17 Thank you very much.

18 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you. Mark Byrne?

19 MR. BYRNE: Thank you all.

20 My name is Mark Byrne, B-Y-R-N-E. I reside at 251

21 Extonville Road, Allentown, New Jersey. I'm a Hamilton

22 resident.

23 And I want to thank everybody for being here

24 tonight. Assemblyman DeAngelo, who's a friend of mine,

25 I want to thank him for being here. I echo his words.

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1 And so many people in this room, I echo exactly what

2 their concerns are and frustrations.

3 And as Don Staley said, you know, I'm in business

4 for myself. And if I made a mistake on this magnitude,

5 heads would roll. There would be penalties to be paid.

6 And if the State is not going to hold Dominion

7 accountable -- and what I'm hearing at the ground level

8 with people and what's going on in the country with

9 Dominion, Dominion has to go.

10 Their voting system stinks. We should go back to

11 the old lever style. You had the results right then

12 and there that night. There was no chain of custody to

13 worry about because everything was on the back of the

14 machine. When I was a kid, the local policeman took --

15 MR. HERBERT: Sir, you cannot speak out. Please.

16 Thank you.

17 MR. BYRNE: So, in any event, the local policeman,

18 I grew up in Hightstown, followed the ballots, you

19 know, there was a chain of custody. And I'd have to

20 say exactly what this young lady said, the chain of

21 custody was broken in so many ways. Whether it was

22 negligence, you know, neglect, corruption, I don't

23 know.

24 But it really begs the question and people lose

25 confidence. And I can tell you, people down on the

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1 streets, people are not voting because they don't think

2 their vote counts. And you want to disenfranchise

3 voters, continue to let this happen and people will be

4 disenfranchised because we're losing faith.

5 One thing about Dominion that I think should be

6 brought up, and you know, there's a movie made about

7 Big Pharma. It was Perdue Pharmaceutical. And they

8 had people in the FDA that were in cahoots with them

9 and people from the FDA went into Big Pharma. There

10 was a movie made of it, the opioid crisis. And they

11 harmed a lot of people because of it because they were

12 doing things illegally. That, in my opinion, is what

13 could happen with Dominion. They got to go. Dominion

14 is -- the gentleman that was a representative from

15 Dominion, he was a local politician. That's a conflict

16 of interest. Big conflict. Dominion has to go. I'm

17 telling you what people feel on the streets. It's sad.

18 And I trust people like Wayne DeAngelo in the back

19 because I know him. And I trust most of the people in

20 this room are probably decent people. But what people

21 perceive is what they -- that is their truth. And what

22 people are perceiving is there's corruption. That's

23 all. Thank you.

24 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Darius Mayfield?

25 MR. MAYFIELD: Hello. I'm Darius Mayfield. I was

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1 actually the republican candidate for congress here in

2 the 12th Congressional District.

3 MR. HERBERT: Sir, your address?

4 MR. MAYFIELD: Darius Mayfield, 28 River Road in

5 East Brunswick, New Jersey.

6 I have a question over here. How many people feel

7 more confused --

8 MR. HERBERT: Sir --

9 MR. MAYFIELD: -- about who's responsible for --

10 MR. HERBERT: Sir --

11 MR. MAYFIELD: -- this than they did when --

12 MR. HERBERT: Sir --

13 MR. MAYFIELD: -- they first got here?

14 MR. HERBERT: Mr. Mayfield? Mr. Mayfield?

15 MR. MAYFIELD: Does anybody feel more confused?

16 MR. HERBERT: Mr. Mayfield, address the County

17 Commissioners.

18 MR. MAYFIELD: Well, so do I, all right. So do I

19 because this was an embarrassment of epic proportions

20 in this district. And everybody's already said this

21 was a national embarrassment, not just a countywide

22 embarrassment here in Mercer County.

23 We still don't know who's responsible. Who's been

24 fired? Who's going to be held accountable for what

25 happened? As most people have said, if this happened

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1 in my line of work or your line of work, heads would

2 roll. People would be responsible. So who is

3 responsible here?

4 You know, Mr. Hughes said something, and this was,

5 this was a form of voter suppression. Especially in

6 places like Trenton, New Jersey where me, personally,

7 did a lot of work hear in Trenton, New Jersey,

8 specifically in Trenton, New Jersey.

9 And this wasn't just about the machines. We

10 witnessed people campaigning within a 100 feet of

11 voting stations. We witnessed people working the

12 elections taking ballots out of machines and putting

13 them back in. As one person said, we have pictures of

14 the electors at these polling stations taking them out

15 and putting them on the floor. They are there. There

16 is real proof of this.

17 Over the last two years I've heard people, like

18 people on this Board call people like myself and other

19 constituents domestic terrorists, conspiracy theorists.

20 And then all along for it to come back to this county

21 here where I'm running for this to happen on the day of

22 the election where every single voting machine in the

23 entire county, the only county in the United States of

24 America that this happened. And I know you got the

25 smirks on your face, whatever it is, I'm used to it.

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1 But, again, whose head is going to roll? Whose fault

2 is this? Where I come from in the automotive industry,

3 in politics, and these things happen, mistakes happen,

4 somebody is held responsible. What we hear right now

5 is it's not Dominion's fault, right. It's not the

6 county's fault. It's nobody's fault. So whose fault

7 is it that every single machine -- not one, not two.

8 It wasn't just that. We had the change of custody

9 broken at multiple places. In Robbinsville. In

10 Princeton. We know these things. We had people

11 campaigning outside of voting stations. We had people

12 taking ballots out. I had to personally go to the

13 county clerk's office on the day of election and let

14 them know that in the Donnelly Homes in Trenton, New

15 Jersey they weren't allowing people in and sending them

16 away. Is that legal? Because they didn't think so.

17 They had to make a phone call up there to make sure

18 they reopened the doors.

19 I went into the project in Trenton, New Jersey. I

20 went into Plainfield, New Jersey and talked to these

21 people. And we noticed where we did a lot of these

22 things the voter turnout was much lower. Here in

23 Mercer County we're looking at a 17 percent voter

24 turnout right now. So this did more than just destroy

25 confidence. It completely destroyed our election.

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1 This is embarrassing. Embarrassing. And an

2 embarrassment to epic proportions. And I really

3 implore you all to take this seriously because as you

4 can see from the crowd here people are not happy. I

5 don't care if they're republicans. I don't care if

6 they're democrats or independent. That's the message

7 right now. It doesn't matter what party you come from,

8 there was clear negligence here. There was clear

9 incompetence here from the people that sit on this

10 board from the people who run our elections here in

11 Mercer County, and you need to get it together because

12 if you don't, we will for you.

13 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Commissioner Walter?

14 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Yes. As we said, we will

15 address the issues at a later date.

16 But there was a comment made that a member of this

17 board called you, sir, a domestic terrorist. I don't

18 --

19 MR. MAYFIELD: That's not what I said at all.

20 That was not actually what I said at all. And that

21 stuff is not what I said at all. And if you were

22 listening, you would have heard what I said and that

23 wasn't it.

24 MR. HERBERT: It's right on my notes right here.

25 MR. MAYFIELD: I said boards like yours have

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1 called people domestic terrorists and called them

2 conspiracy -- boards like yours. Not --

3 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Can you read back the line;

4 is it possible?

5 THE COURT REPORTER: It's going to take some time.

6 COMMISSIONER WALTER: Oh, okay. No problem then.

7 MR. MAYFIELD: Please do.

8 COMMISSIONER WALTER: We will check the script.

9 MR. MAYFIELD: How convenient is that? How

10 convenient is that?

11 COMMISSIONER WALTER: I'm not going to get into

12 that. But I'm hoping --

13 MR. MAYFIELD: How convenient. Like every time,

14 how convenient.

15 MR. HERBERT: Sir? Sir, let her speak.

16 COMMISSIONER WALTER: In this room --

17 MR. MAYFIELD: Not if she's going to lie.

18 MR. HERBERT: Sir?

19 MR. MAYFIELD: Not if she's going to lie.

20 MR. HERBERT: Sir, do you need to be escorted out?

21 MR. MAYFIELD: Not if she's going to lie.

22 MR. HERBERT: Sir, stop --

23 COMMISSIONER WALTER: In this room --

24 MR. MAYFIELD: We have --

25 MR. HERBERT: Stop.

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1 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You tell him to stop.

2 MR. MAYFIELD: Exactly.

3 COMMISSIONER WALTER: In this room and this board

4 at this table, we spend a lot of time trying to be

5 civil in our discourse. We try not to call names.

6 MR. MAYFIELD: I didn't.

7 COMMISSIONER WALTER: We try not to say things

8 that in any way degrade the public.

9 MR. MAYFIELD: I didn't.

10 COMMISSIONER WALTER: And we hold open meetings

11 like this one even when the issues are not necessarily

12 those of this board. So I just would like to keep us

13 functioning at a civil level.

14 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He was civil.

15 MR. MAYFIELD: I thought I was pretty civil.

16 COMMISSIONER WALTER: And not have it said that

17 "boards like this," implying this board, would use that

18 kind of name-calling. We simply don't do it here.

19 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Okay. Yamira Sin. I'm not

20 sure if I'm saying it right. I apologize.

21 MS. SIN: Good evening. Yamira, Y-A-M-I-R-A, Sin,

22 S-I-N. Actually, I'm a New York resident. 215 West

23 131st Street, New York, New York 10030.

24 So basically I just have a statement. Obviously I

25 can't vote out here in New Jersey. But as a die hard

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1 New Yorker, I ran Darius Mayfield's campaign,

2 regardless of party affiliation because I believed in

3 him and I followed him as we travelled, today all the

4 way from New York to be heard.

5 The only comment I have to say is I thought New

6 York had it bad. Jersey, I feel bad for you. And I

7 think thinking ahead of the next generation to come,

8 what are you going to do differently for the next

9 generations to come?

10 You know, I heard all the stories about mistakes

11 with technology, but people are the ones who truly vote

12 and their vote counts. So I hope, I hope that in the

13 next few elections, New Jersey gets it right.

14 And as for Darius Mayfield, he is the most hard

15 working man that I know. I've known him for ten years

16 outside of politics. This is my first time really

17 following a political campaign. And integrity is

18 everything. You heard it here tonight, and I hope that

19 you will take action, and in the next election let's

20 get it right. So thank you for hearing me.

21 CHAIRWOMEN MELKER: Thank you.

22 Mike Cipriano?

23 MR. CIPRIANO: Good evening, Commissioners. My

24 name is Mike Cipriano. That's C-I-P-R-I-A-N-O. 18

25 Hilltop Place, Robbinsville. I am the current Council

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1 President in Robbinsville, and I'm here to make a

2 statement tonight on behalf of myself, Mayor David

3 Fried, and the rest of the Robbinsville Council.

4 It goes without saying that Election Day the past

5 two years have not gone as planned for any of us. This

6 is not the time in our country where we can afford any

7 mishaps when it comes to the integrity of elections.

8 And we've now endured these mishaps in back-to-back

9 election cycles.

10 The reports we've received from poll workers have

11 not been encouraging, and serious questions about the

12 chain of custody of ballots have been raised in those

13 in the field that evening.

14 We have received unconfirmed reports about bags

15 containing ballots arrived open, thus rising at least

16 possibility of tampering. The whole idea of sealing

17 the bags before they leave the polling station is so

18 this does not happen.

19 Moreover, ballots being left inside the machines

20 is utterly unacceptable and shows a complete lack of

21 proper training.

22 We also find it highly embarrassing that because

23 of the large size of the ballots, almost everyone in

24 the room paying any sort of attention can see a

25 person's ballot choices as they walk over to put those

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1 ballots into the scanner. The whole concept of voting

2 is that it's supposed to be private and secure. These

3 ballots are so large in size, even the election

4 challengers sitting in the room can possibly see who

5 someone voted for. For us, that is unacceptable.

6 The election process in Mercer County needs to be

7 open, transparent, and public training of poll workers

8 needs to be a priority. We certainly are not

9 suggesting that there were anything nefarious at work

10 here. But this is the second year in a row that Mercer

11 County has taken a hit on a day we can all agree is the

12 Superbowl of events on a government calendar.

13 As for communications, they were poor to say the

14 least. The most honest communication we received was

15 the one our clerk, Michelle Siegfried, received at

16 approximately 4:30 p.m. from the County Clerk on

17 Wednesday, November 9th, informing her via telephone

18 that our District 5 ballots had gone missing.

19 Again, this goes back to deep concerns over chain

20 of custody. The ballots were obviously misplaced, but

21 not one person from the Board of Elections ever came

22 back and explained to us what happened, when or why.

23 Even worse, in none of the hardworking and

24 diligent employees in our clerk's office or any of our

25 elected officials received a call that our ballots were

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1 located. Once we found out the ballots were misplaced,

2 we almost immediately informed our residents, just as

3 we did an hour after polls opened telling them very

4 early the process that there was a problem with either

5 the ballots or the machines.

6 Although we did not hear from the Board of

7 Elections, we did receive calls from other mayors

8 throughout the county that our ballots were found. How

9 could a handful of mayors find the time to call us, but

10 no one from the Board of Elections thought to extend

11 the basic courtesy.

12 We can even argue that it was a requirement

13 considering the circumstances. If you -- okay. Excuse

14 me. I don't want to take any more of your time. I got

15 a little bit more to go, but thank you for letting me

16 speak tonight. And, again, I think chain of custody is

17 definitely one of the major issues. Thank you. Have a

18 great evening.

19 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

20 Michael Shaffer, S-H-A-F-F-E-R? Are there people

21 that are downstairs that are coming up?

22 MR. HERBERT: We can hold that spot open and then

23 go to the next person. So we'll hold that open.

24 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Okay. Jeremy Whaley?

25 MR. WHALEY: All right. Hello everyone. Last

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1 name, W-H-A-L-E-Y. 54 Western Avenue, Apartment 5,

2 Ewing, New Jersey. I am the Ewing Township Republican

3 Committee Chairman. And I'm just here to share what

4 many of our people felt there in Ewing.

5 We were gravely disappointed with the events of

6 this past election. It was an unmitigated disaster to

7 say the least. There were ballots missing for days

8 unaccounted for. Machines with ballots left in them,

9 and much more confusion over what was happening. And

10 some of these questions answered just today, weeks

11 after the election.

12 Every time a question was answered, more questions

13 arose. What happened this past election, as many

14 people have here said, has broken the confidence of all

15 of the voters and has brought many more concerns

16 forward.

17 This isn't a matter of democrats versus

18 republicans, but a matter of ensuring the backbone of

19 our society, of American society, remains intact.

20 Many people were frustrated and felt that their

21 votes didn't count. People were worried that their

22 ballots were lost or won't be counted. And they've

23 seen pictures or witnessed firsthand, ballots on the

24 floor. The poll workers organizing the ballots, okay,

25 well, you're District A, you're District B, separating

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1 them just to find out that they don't need to separate

2 them. Again, unmitigated disaster.

3 Confidence was damaged. And we have to ask

4 ourselves, are elections truly safe and secure, or do

5 we have to worry about integrity every time we go to

6 vote? And the answer is clear, election integrity

7 matters. And we must demand more of our election

8 officials so this doesn't happen again. There needs to

9 be a restoration of trust in the process.

10 And, unfortunately, as many have said, again,

11 there isn't a clear, oh, well, this right here, that

12 right there. It's still not clear, not crystal clear.

13 And we have many, many different aspects to our

14 election that control it.

15 The Board of Elections, people were complaining,

16 challengers, that the board workers weren't trained

17 well enough to know what to do with emergency ballots.

18 I walk in around 6:30 in the morning. I have a

19 regular ballot, but I have to fold it up and put it in

20 a provisional ballot envelope. And that started the

21 confusion at the very beginning of the day.

22 The Board of Elections run and lead by political

23 appointees, which the blame was squarely placed on

24 Democrat and Republican County Chairs if these people

25 weren't doing their jobs.

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1 The ballots were not printed right, which is under

2 the county clerk's purview, and outsourced to Royal

3 Printing, who spoke earlier today. The use of

4 Dominion, which was a decision made by the County

5 Commissioners. So it's not easy to point just one

6 finger, you, you or you. It's a whole combination of

7 different factors. And we really do need to step back,

8 reassess what we're doing, continue to have this open

9 dialogue and transparency. Reassess what we're doing.

10 And as I heard some people say, we might even need to,

11 in order to restore the trust, redo the election.

12 Thank you. Something to think about.

13 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Eva Kaplan?

14 MR. HERBERT: And if Michael Shaffer does come in

15 the room, just let us know.

16 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Okay. Is Joy Tozzi here? I

17 think she might have left, right?

18 Cherie Garrette?

19 MS. GARRETTE: Hi, Cherie Garrette, City of

20 Trenton.

21 MR. HERBERT: Ms. Garrette, if you can just spell

22 your last name and give us your address?

23 MS. GARRETTE: G-A-R-R-E-T-T-E, 1 Bruce Park

24 Drive, Trenton, New Jersey.

25 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Hold the time.

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1 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

2 MS. GARRETTE: This forum here probably should

3 have happened some couple of weeks ago. I'm glad it is

4 happening. But to restore confidence, I think in our

5 election process here in Mercer County, I think it

6 absolutely has to have a redo.

7 I feel that the reason for having this right now

8 is to say that we're doing something, we're

9 communicating with the Mercer County community and

10 residents and registered voters. But this is -- the

11 only way you're going to restore it is do a redo.

12 And I concur with most of all the other speakers

13 that came up here. I did look into this a little bit,

14 and from my understanding, in order to have a redo,

15 even though some of the bags weren't sealed and

16 secured, from my understanding, that's not enough to do

17 a redo. So I guess that's one of the reasons why, you

18 know, you're hearing this.

19 But one thing I can say, the reason it calls for a

20 redo is that we don't even know if the super scanner as

21 you spoke of earlier actually credited or applied the

22 correct votes to the right candidates. That is really

23 the main thing that's in question which is why I'm

24 saying a redo.

25 A number of people had -- so many people that

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1 endorsed them and backed them and wind up -- and I know

2 this is not a reason to have a redo, but they had more

3 support, voter support at the polls behind them, and

4 they didn't receive that support. And I say that for

5 myself as well.

6 So I think there has to be a redo because of that

7 fact. Because of the dysfunction with the scanners not

8 reading, the whole thing with the mistake with the

9 printer, and with Mercer County, that's on you,

10 December 13th, instead of just having a runoff, just

11 have a whole new election. That way you can restore

12 the confidence and do the right thing, if you want to

13 do the right thing.

14 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Jeff Hewitson?

15 MR. HEWITSON: Good evening, Chair, Vice Chair,

16 Commissioners. Jeff Hewitson, H-E-W-I-T-S-O-N.

17 MR. HERBERT: And, Jeff, if you could just give

18 your address?

19 MR. HEWITSON: 33 Sedona, S-E-D-O-N-A, Boulevard,

20 Hamilton, New Jersey 08691.

21 A lot of good comments tonight, a lot of good

22 speakers. I can assure you I'm not one of them.

23 MR. HERBERT: You're a really good basketball ref,

24 I know that.

25 MR. HEWITSON: But I want to make three points,

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1 and one is a question. And I don't know if I'm going

2 to get an answer or not. But is it legal to harvest

3 ballots in New Jersey? That's question number one.

4 Number two, as far as whose responsibility it is,

5 the Mercer County Clerk, Royal Printing, or Dominion?

6 I think the County Clerk clearly did her job. I think

7 the printing -- it's my opinion, I think the printing I

8 think did their job.

9 The problem is with Dominion, and everyone that

10 runs a business or is working for anybody knows, you

11 got to have QC. You got to have quality control.

12 Where the quality control went wrong is the

13 gentleman for Dominion who got word of the change, what

14 he should of done was he should have e-mailed everybody

15 that was involved in that process and asked for them to

16 confirm that they got the e-mail. And if he or she, or

17 whoever is in charge, done that, we probably wouldn't

18 have this problem.

19 And the other thing I wanted to say, and it's been

20 said so much so, ad nauseam, but you know, the chain of

21 custody was nonexistent. I've seen so many things that

22 went wrong in person. I was there with Pat Johnson. I

23 don't want to go through everything else because it's

24 been said already.

25 But I hope we get it right. I'm glad Assemblyman

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1 DeAngelo came. I was really pleased what he said. I

2 hope you people, in fact, I know you people will work

3 with him to get it right. I'm looking forward to the

4 next election. But we still need to hold somebody

5 accountable for all the mistakes that happened in this

6 election. Thank you.

7 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Taiwanda Terry-Wilson?

8 MS. TERRY-WILSON: Good evening, everyone. My

9 name is Taiwanda Terry-Wilson, and I am here from the

10 great City of Trenton, New Jersey. I have three

11 questions --

12 MR. HERBERT: Ma'am, if you can just spell your

13 last name for the young lady here?

14 MS. TERRY-WILSON: I can. It's

15 T-E-R-R-Y-hyphenated-W-I-L-S-O-N.

16 MR. HERBERT: Thank you. And your address?

17 MS. TERRY-WILSON: 817 Revere Avenue, and that's

18 in Trenton, New Jersey.

19 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

20 MS. TERRY-WILSON: So I have three questions.

21 The first question is, if the span was very narrow

22 between production and Election Day, why was the change

23 necessary? Was it a necessary change, or was it a

24 preference?

25 The second question is, since this was a "little

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1 human mistake" that has a major impact on the lives of

2 many people, especially throughout the great City of

3 Trenton, what is our solution?

4 So when we start to talk about what we're going to

5 do in the future, what happens to this election that

6 just currently took place?

7 And I am not speaking as a candidate on the ballot

8 who lost. Because I lost an election before. I won my

9 general seat. I won my primary seat. I won my

10 committee seat. And I lost the running by five votes,

11 so I'm not a sorry sport.

12 I am here to speak about the things that I saw on

13 Election Day. I, myself and my family went to go and

14 vote. When I walked into my polling place at Trenton

15 Central High School, there was only one person working

16 for my district. She advised me that she did not have

17 the machine, which was the keypad, to look and pull up

18 people's addresses. I didn't feel comfortable voting,

19 so I went live and I left.

20 Because I don't like shirking my responsibilities,

21 I didn't go far from the parking lot, but I came back

22 in within the next half an hour, 45 minutes to see if

23 there had been an update.

24 There was a person from the Board of Elections, I

25 think he was a master board worker. And he was kind

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1 enough to take my calls, and take my concerns, and he

2 did some background information and some searching.

3 And once he got his answer, he went to the poll worker,

4 he called me back over, and he pulled us over to the

5 machines that had been sitting there all morning.

6 The girl's laptop was inside the machine. It was

7 inside the bag. So what I'm saying is, have people

8 been trained? I know that we offer training. But are

9 they being properly trained? And then what is the

10 character, disposition and demeanor of the people who

11 are working there?

12 My son is disabled. He doesn't have thumbs. So

13 there was a poll worker there who was disabled. And

14 she almost got into a fisticuffs with my son-in-law and

15 my daughter. And the only thing they did was stand in

16 line to ask, you know, they were getting ready to vote,

17 and she asked for their name. But it wasn't how she

18 asked -- it wasn't what she asked, but it was how she

19 asked, and she became combative. We almost had a fight

20 there. We didn't have calm heads and people who were

21 born with morals and values that know how to

22 deescalate. They would have turned away and not voted.

23 That was two people. I was the third person who almost

24 didn't vote.

25 And then I got word that at the end of the night

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1 there were people who were taking bags back that were

2 not properly locked. You know, we just have too many

3 inconsistencies.

4 So I understand that we are looking to see what we

5 can do in the future, but we need to find out and look

6 into this.

7 And, lastly, Trenton hasn't been getting a lot of

8 coverage. I hear a lot about -- no disrespect --

9 Princeton and Lawrenceville. But there were major

10 issues inside of Trenton. And what I would like to

11 know, as a at-large council person, I want to know if

12 the state law is going to prevail and we have, since no

13 one got 50 percent that won the vote, are we going to

14 go with the state law, or are we going to go with the

15 Faulkner Act that says you take the top three?

16 And, lastly, from everything I've worked in equal

17 employment, state law always supercedes any policy

18 because they must conform.

19 Thank you.

20 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Skye Gilmartin?

21 MR. HERBERT: Folks, if I can ask everyone a

22 favor, if you can allow the person to speak, hold your

23 clapping to the end if you want to clap for them. If

24 you do it during it, it makes the speech longer, and

25 she can't take down the words that they're saying.

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1 Thank you very much.

2 MS. GILMARTIN: Skye Gilmartin, S-K-Y-E

3 G-I-L-M-A-R-T-I-N. I live at 38 Powell Court in

4 Heightstown.

5 I want to follow-up on a lot of what the last

6 speaker said. My biggest concern that day was the poll

7 workers. They -- everybody here is having a bad time

8 with this election, but those people had the worst day

9 of their lives. And we have a shortage of poll

10 workers. We have a hard time getting people to do that

11 job. And they had an awful morning. And then at the

12 end of the day, they had an awful day.

13 I was at quite a few sites. From one site to the

14 next, nobody knew what they were doing at the end of

15 the day. They were all following different procedures.

16 And that goes to the whole chain of custody issue.

17 People had a hard time getting ahold of their clerks.

18 They had a hard time getting ahold of their county.

19 And people just did not know what they were doing from

20 one end of the day to the next.

21 So I would like to know what their minimal

22 training actually is, and if something is going to be

23 remedied in the future to better prepare people to deal

24 with the major malfunction like we had today.

25 That's all.

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1 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

2 Andrew Curcio?

3 MR. CURCIO: Hello. I'm Andrew Curcio. I reside

4 at 3215 Nottingham Way, Hamilton, New Jersey 08619. I

5 just have --

6 MR. HERBERT: Sir, if you could just spell your

7 last name?

8 MR. CURCIO: Curcio, C-U-R-C-I-O.

9 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

10 MR. CURCIO: So it's not really a question -- but

11 it is for Dominion, or who was involved with this. But

12 my biggest question is why weren't the machines checked

13 the night before? Where I come from, where I work, you

14 know, when you do something, something new, you

15 definitely check the machines the night before to see

16 if they're all working.

17 On other notes, when I know I went to vote I felt

18 like anyone could persuade me. Because where it was,

19 you were sitting out there, out in the open. Anyone

20 could come up to you and say, Hey, you know what, I

21 don't like that guy. I like this guy. I felt like we

22 had no privacy.

23 I don't know why this was changed at all. I would

24 like to know why the system was changed in any kind of

25 sense. I just felt like anybody could tamper with this

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1 system because you're out there, out in the open. And

2 you got your republicans out there, you got your

3 democrats out there. Anything could happen.

4 I also feel like we should go back showing our

5 licenses. Because when you show your license, you know

6 who that individual is. If you don't show it, you

7 know, I can go as John Smith or Dave Craig, and they

8 would never know it. Even though I'm registered, but

9 you never know. You can have somebody else going for

10 you.

11 Also, with the things being voted, where we were

12 they weren't scanning, you know, what's the percentage

13 of human error? You know, how do I know that that

14 person who was counting the votes was a democrat or

15 republican? You know, I can say, oh, yeah -- an

16 example, I don't like Trump, I'm going to throw him

17 over here. I like this person, I'm going to put him

18 here. Where was the modernization of it?

19 Also, the votes that were being counted, Dominion

20 was in the room in front of the scanners with a

21 computer on the table in front of him. Why was that?

22 I also wanted to include that I have two people

23 here they will confess under oath that the bags were

24 open. They actually took the bags themselves to the

25 Commissioner at the drop-offs.

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1 Besides that, thank you for your time. But we

2 really should check those machines prior to Election

3 Day. I think that's the big thing. Because if you

4 don't, this will happen again. Thank you.

5 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Barbara Holstein?

6 MS. HOLSTEIN: Hi, how are you? My name is

7 Barbara Holstein, and I'm from Montague, New Jersey.

8 MR. HERBERT: Can we have your address?

9 MS. HOLSTEIN: 127B Hemlock Hill. And I'm here

10 tonight because of my friend Darius. I've known Darius

11 for two and-a-half years now.

12 He started with a podcast called Not White, Not

13 Black Americans. He's the hardest working person on an

14 election trail, and I've been following elections now

15 for two and-a-half years.

16 What happened to him and anybody else who was on

17 that ballot on your Election Day is just horrific. I

18 watched his face. I listened to his voice. All the

19 months, two years of work going through these streets

20 in Trenton, going where no other candidate will go

21 that's got the republican next to their name because

22 it's the democrat area. Darius went there. And not

23 only did he go there, but he made your community

24 better. He organized clean communities. He went in

25 and pulled people together. Brought people off of

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1 porches. He did it here in Trenton. He did it in

2 Philadelphia. And he did it in Paterson. That's where

3 I met him, was in Paterson.

4 I'm disgusted in what happened in this county.

5 It's a little bit of, How could you? And I don't want

6 to go off because I listened to Dominion. So what

7 happened here -- people are asking, how did this

8 happen? Because someone decided they didn't want to

9 spend money. They didn't want to spend the money so

10 they reordered the provisional ballot. That's what

11 happened. And then a chain of communication was

12 broken, just like the chain of custody has been broken.

13 People who called for redos on this, they demand a

14 redo. I would do nothing less than a redo. That's

15 what your due diligence is. I don't know how a redo is

16 done. But if it has anything to do with the people

17 sitting up in front of me, it's your due diligence to

18 do a redo for the people of Mercer County.

19 Election days, Dominion -- I want to go back to

20 the long history. Sorry. I'm not comfortable with the

21 fact that this guy is a politician and he's selling you

22 guys a politician machine. Okay.

23 The name has gotten a bad connotation, but

24 literally, he validated it sitting here. And, yeah, I

25 couldn't keep my mouth quite. I was like, you got to

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1 be kidding me. I know why you're running this machine

2 because you've been doing this for 11 years in all of

3 these places.

4 Then you want to talk about -- I've heard people

5 talking about what's going on in the poll worker

6 station. I come from a county where even in my own

7 small rural county people didn't know what to do.

8 I can't imagine being in an area where they told

9 you your ballot, your vote -- the ballot that you just

10 got isn't working, and you're not allowed to use it.

11 And you have to use a sharpie. And you have to do

12 this. All the things -- there's no consistency.

13 Again, the redo is what you have to do. The redo.

14 I have so many other notes here, obviously not

15 watching the clock. This man deserves a redo. And

16 every voter in this county deserves a redo.

17 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Jennifer DiDonato?

18 MS. DiDONATO: Hello there. My name is Jennifer

19 DiDonato, D-I-D-O-N-A-T-O.

20 MR. HERBERT: You're doing great. Your address?

21 MS. DiDONATO: 20 Old Washington Crossing Road.

22 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

23 MS. DiDONATO: So I'm a candidate and a

24 challenger. I was at early voting multiple days. I

25 was at multiple polling locations throughout the day of

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1 the election.

2 I was down at the Board of Election's office

3 nearly everyday following. I also went to the

4 warehouse when the ballot bins came in. So I've been

5 observing the whole process.

6 As a candidate, I want to know what's going on.

7 Luckily for me, I got this crazy blowout of an election

8 to learn everything. But, you know, this is why I'm

9 here just because I really want to learn and I want to

10 understand things. I got some questions and comments.

11 I would like to verify this, has the county clerk

12 filed a lawsuit against Dominion for this election?

13 Provisional ballots, this is number two,

14 provisional ballots were used in the morning. They

15 caused a shortage of provisional ballots in the

16 afternoon. Voters were disenfranchised. They were

17 told to come back. They said, We're sorry. We don't

18 have these provisional ballots. You can come back, or

19 you can wait here until supplies come in. So several

20 voters left the building.

21 Also, on what Pat was talking about, we overheard

22 an interview on the day after the Election Day where a

23 board worker, a board employee said that there -- the

24 voting scanners, some of them could have been turned on

25 throughout the day. And she made the call to make sure

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1 that they were all turned off.

2 But, to me that sounds like, it leads me to

3 believe that it's not a problem with the timing marks

4 on the ballots. But it's just a question. I don't

5 really understand how that adds up.

6 How can you ensure that every vote was secure when

7 many of the seals and locks were broken? That's

8 something I also observed, as many people have said.

9 Ballot bags when they came in were not locked. In

10 addition, many of the locks and seals were broken on

11 the ballot bins as they came into the warehouse. And

12 there were several bins that were opened with ballots

13 just falling out, not just in Robbinsville and

14 Hopewell. Ewing, Hopewell, Robbinsville, Princeton,

15 several of the areas.

16 So, yes, and to the point of Robbinsville, we were

17 at a meeting, 4 o'clock on the day after the election

18 and we were told by these workers that every single

19 ballot bag was received. And they knew that because

20 the numbers were counted, and they had all of these

21 numbers accounted for. And less than 30 minutes later,

22 there was an e-mail sent to Mayor Dave Fried saying

23 that they lost a bag. So something fell apart there.

24 I don't know. I don't know. Just wanted to bring that

25 up. And I think that's about it. Thank you so much

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1 for your time. Have a good day.

2 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

3 Joe Marchica?

4 MR. MARCHICA: Joe Marchica, 10 Sheffield Road,

5 Hamilton, New Jersey 08619.

6 MR. HERBERT: Can you just spell your last name

7 for the record?

8 MR. MARCHICA: Sure. M-A-R-C-H-I-C-A.

9 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

10 MR. MARCHICA: I'll try to not go into any

11 over-the-top hysterics or anything. I think we got a

12 lot of those. And some cases warranted because this is

13 kind of a crazy election.

14 But the first thing I wanted to highlight, I can't

15 comment about the issue anywhere else, but it doesn't

16 seem like there was any malicious intent involved in

17 any of this. It seems like a problematic, serious, but

18 honest mistake. It does happen.

19 But I've noticed a bit of a pattern and behavior

20 from the Board of Elections at times throughout both

21 this past election and the one back in June at the

22 primary election where I ran for County Committee

23 myself.

24 And I want to specifically highlight that some of

25 the issues that I've run into had to do with board

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1 workers. There not being enough board workers. There

2 not being enough poll workers. There not being enough

3 compensation for those in order to hire sufficient of

4 those workers and retain them.

5 I've heard multiple stories of folks working for

6 the Board of Election, being forced to work overtime

7 and not being compensated for working overtime. Or

8 there not being enough workers present because they

9 have trouble retaining people because they don't pay

10 sufficiently to encourage them to stay or to encourage

11 hiring more workers. And I'd be happy to put folks on

12 this board to talk with someone who is a former board

13 worker who I've spoken to about this. And she said

14 she'd be happy to talk to you about this. That's the

15 first thing I want to put out there because I think

16 that's a key issue that needs to be addressed.

17 Especially given all of the changes that have

18 happened with how we run elections. And that brings me

19 to one of my other issues. Which has to do with the

20 timeline of how ballots, mail-in ballots specifically,

21 are received, accepted or rejected, and then cure

22 letters are sent.

23 I requested a cure list because I was volunteering

24 for multiple campaigns throughout this past election

25 cycle. And on that cure list it was marked that the

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1 Board of Election had not sent cure letters to voters


2 whose ballots were rejected until the Monday after
3 election in some cases, which is the deadline to
4 receive those ballots. And November 16th, in at least
5 two other cases for the town I was looking at at the
6 time. I'm sure there are other examples of this.
7 The problem that I have with that is, by State
8 law, the Board of Elections is required to send those
9 letters in 24 hours of the rejection of the ballot.
10 And the other problem is, the deadline for voters
11 to get those cure forms back in there and have their
12 votes counted and not be disenfranchised is 48 hours
13 before the election is certified.
14 Now, the Board of Elections, when I asked them,
15 they told me first that the deadline was that
16 Wednesday. Then that the deadline was that Thursday.
17 And then they didn't certify the election until today,
18 so the deadline wouldn't have been either of those
19 days, it would have been Saturday.
20 How is someone who is being sent a cure letter to
21 cure their ballot, make sure their vote could be
22 counted, supposed to return there cure letter when it
23 was only sent to them on the 16th and the deadline is
24 the 16th, according to the Board at first. And they
25 wouldn't take cure letters if I returned it to them

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1 because there's been a pattern of behavior here,

2 including back in the primary --

3 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Sorry. Your time is up.

4 MR. MARCHICA: I'll wrap it up very quickly.

5 Including both in the primary and this past time

6 when I was campaigning well outside of the election

7 area, a hundred feet buffer that's supposed to exist

8 when your following state law. I had the cops called

9 on me each time by the Board of Elections.

10 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Please --

11 MR. MARCHICA: I will wrap. But I would very much

12 like to see these issues looked into.

13 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Stephanie Faughnan?

14 MS. FAUGHNAN: Good evening. My name is Stephanie

15 Faughnan. My address is 10 Tamarack Court,

16 T-A-M-A-R-A-C-K, in Barnegat, New Jersey.

17 Yes, I came quite a distance here and --

18 MR. HERBERT: And if you could just spell your

19 last name for the record?

20 MS. FAUGHNAN: Sure. F-A-U-G-H-N-A-N. I am here

21 as a reporter. Just as your election is unprecedented,

22 it is unprecedented that I have taken to the

23 microphone, and I will tell you why I have done it.

24 As I mentioned to you, I live in Barnegat. And

25 I'm a freelance reporter. In this case I am covering

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1 this story for Hamilton and Robbinsville, so you

2 understand why I am impacted by your election.

3 I am very disappointed. But first I would -- you

4 know what, I'm going to tell you the good things. When

5 you began to have a problem, I did contact three

6 different, your three different -- I'm from Ocean

7 County, we only have two. We don't have a

8 Superintendent of Elections.

9 I did contact someone from all three, the Board of

10 Election, Superintendent of Election, and of course,

11 your County Clerk. Kudos to your County Clerk who

12 responded I would say in five minutes of me asking her

13 questions. Same thing, I was able to meet with someone

14 from the Superintendent of Elections.

15 Now, I say "meet," I wasn't planning on coming up

16 here. It's a ride. I have a long ride home in the

17 dark. I shouldn't have had to come up here to stop in

18 on the Board of Elections.

19 Why did I come in to see your Board of Elections?

20 Because I sent three e-mails. None were responded to.

21 Not one, not two, three e-mails.

22 So, as a diligent reporter, I came here, showed up

23 in-person. Very lovely sheriff's office. Officer, one

24 of the gentleman at the county, and I probably got on

25 his nerves quite a bit.

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1 But the person who was charged, who has not spoken

2 here tonight again, she didn't realize that I

3 recognized her. There's pictures of everybody on the

4 internet. It's wonderful.

5 I brought up the fact that I could not calculate

6 the vote by mail. Now, again, I mentioned I'm from

7 Ocean County. Ocean County, they do the statutory

8 thing. They count the vote by mails before the date of

9 election.

10 Maybe we wouldn't have had this mess here, but I

11 would like answers for my readers to know why the vote

12 by mails were not counted. And when I asked your Board

13 of Elections, I said you have a password on there. How

14 insulting to tell me to Google how to use Excel. I've

15 taught Excel. I think that you need to look at the

16 people you have running your Board of Elections because

17 that is a great part of the problem here.

18 My time is up. Thank you. Unprecedented.

19 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Thank you.

20 Jeffrey Laurenti?

21 MR. LAURENTI: Good evening, Commissioners. My

22 name is Jeff Laurenti. I live at 464 Hamilton Avenue,

23 Chambersburg, Trenton. Obviously there are major

24 concerns that we have all faced --

25 MR. HERBERT: Mr. Laurenti, if you could just

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1 spell your last name for the record? We all know it,

2 but --

3 MR. LAURENTI: Laurenti, L-A-U-R-E-N-T-I.

4 MR. HERBERT: Thank you.

5 MR. LAURENTI: The botched administration of the

6 election led to such delays in counting ballots for

7 Trenton's municipal election that we had to delay our

8 runoff by a week. And I didn't know until Tai gave her

9 final result today being five votes short of election

10 that we have been able to avoid a city-wide runoff for

11 at large.

12 This is a huge problem, and there has been some

13 cause for accountability of who's responsible and that

14 is quite fair. We both had a good deal of partisan

15 rhetoric. At least we haven't heard about Italian

16 satellites switching votes or Jewish space lasers

17 affecting the machines. But there's been a certain

18 excess, I would think.

19 We had four districts voting at Trenton High

20 School, which is my own polling place where I'm

21 democratic committeeman for East or District 7, but

22 there were only three scanning machines there.

23 And as Tai pointed out, there was no poll book for

24 that fourth district either for three hours. So people

25 who came in had to vote provisionally. Well, they all

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1 voted, but provisionally. And that's an inconvenience

2 for voters. It's like three extra pages of what you

3 have to right.

4 The master board worker who came to Trenton High

5 School, whom Tai had mentioned, after 8:00 p.m.

6 directed that the ballots that have been fed because

7 both East 7 and East 8 were being fed into the same

8 scanning machine, directed that the ballots be

9 separated for the two districts.

10 I think that's the source of the story that our

11 republican friends have been repeating multiple times

12 about poll workers sitting on the floor separating the

13 ballots. And then they were told after they had done

14 so laboriously that they didn't need to because the

15 central scanning machines would distinguish between the

16 two districts since you have printed at the top of each

17 ballot what election district you were in and they

18 could read them even if our voters didn't always read

19 them. But no one but poll workers had touched those

20 ballots.

21 Tai also pointed out, and this is important not

22 for the question of what caused the confusion and the

23 printer's error or whatever. But East 8 only had one

24 poll worker, and it's the largest in the four districts

25 voting there. East 7 only had two.

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1 The issues that perhaps Assemblyman DeAngelo's

2 inquiry should also look at is how we can recruit an

3 adequate number of trained poll workers. So thank you.

4 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: Your time is up.

5 Mark Cubberley?

6 MR. CUBBERLEY: Good evening, Madam Chair, members

7 of the Commission, everyone else present. And I want

8 to thank all the residents and the elected officials

9 and officials who have come out tonight that help us

10 understand what's transpired.

11 My name is Mark Cubberley, C-U-B-B-E-R-L-E-Y. 282

12 Main Street, Hamilton, New Jersey. District 31 in

13 Hamilton.

14 I'm going to try not to repeat everything that

15 I've heard, but I would like to endorse much of what

16 I've heard. I tried to vote in my district at 6:01

17 a.m. because I've been actively involved with a

18 campaign in the South Ward of Trenton. I wanted to get

19 to Trenton as soon as I could.

20 At 6:01 I was told I have to come back because the

21 machines were down. The poll workers did not realize

22 that voters shouldn't leave the polls. That there was

23 an alternative method with emergency ballots and/or

24 provisional ballots.

25 I had to give them the Board of Election's number

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1 to have them call, and I made calls of my own to try to

2 maintain voters in my district. I watched four of them

3 walk right out the door. I knew immediately there was

4 a problem. I had to vote provisionally myself.

5 I then drove to the closest poll in the South Ward

6 at St. Bartholomew's School. What I observed there was

7 an utter disaster. People had ballots outside of the

8 building because they were given ballots and they were

9 told they could come back and vote.

10 I called the Trenton City Clerk who has been

11 maligned by many on social media. He should not be

12 maligned. The guy was there within seven minutes

13 trying to help resolve the problem.

14 The issues that were countywide were dramatic.

15 They were unprecedented. I for one want to make sure I

16 say, I don't blame the poll workers. This was an

17 unprecedented problem that has never before occurred.

18 Many of them, because of the COVID transition the

19 last couple of years, were new. I don't think that all

20 of them in the county could have been probably trained

21 to deal with the problem. I don't think it's their

22 problem. I think it's an administrative problem.

23 And for those of you who don't know, and I'm sure

24 most of the members of the Board know, I'm a democrat.

25 I'm glad I'm a democrat. I've been a democrat my whole

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1 life. I love the democratic party. But, we the

2 democrats, we need to look in the mirror. We had a

3 huge problem this day and the response has not been

4 adequate. But I don't mean this Board, I congratulate

5 you for holding this hearing. This is the beginning,

6 and I'm excited that you did that.

7 I too, because I was a challenger and active in a

8 campaign in the south, contacted the Board of

9 Elections, the County Clerk and the Superintendent.

10 Two of the three were very responsive. County Clerk,

11 immediate responses to my requests. The Superintendent

12 of Elections came out. The Deputy Superintendent came

13 out and addressed my concerns. The Board of Elections,

14 to this day, has not addressed a single concern that

15 I've expressed to them, and I've been there virtually

16 everyday since the election.

17 There were eight machines in the South Ward that

18 had ballots left in them that we found at the

19 warehouse. To this day, I don't know what happened to

20 them. I'm hoping they were counted. By the numbers

21 don't add up. The issues are huge. Please address all

22 of them. Thank you.

23 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: All right. Thank you.

24 Natalia Armstrong?

25 All right. We will go to the next one.

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1 Stephanie Reichardt?

2 MS. REICHARDT: Stephanie Reichardt,

3 R-E-I-C-H-A-R-D-T, 60 Pinewood Drive, Hamilton.

4 I just want you guys to hear from yet another

5 person who was there the night when the bags were

6 brought in. And, again, we observed no tags, no seals

7 on all the bags, which obviously was already said

8 tonight. I personally made a list of all those bags.

9 I have the number to all of those.

10 While I was keeping that list of bags, I was told

11 at one point that seals don't matter. That the poll

12 workers weren't told that they needed to seal the bags,

13 which is obviously a huge concern. So obviously there

14 was some sort of mixed communication there.

15 Another thing I want to point out, there was

16 actually a Dominion -- a person from Dominion in the

17 room where the ballots were being counted, which is I

18 believe a breach in integrity. I believe only the

19 co-workers were supposed to be back there. That was

20 something that me and a few other people had observed.

21 I'm the Mercer County's Young Republican Chair.

22 We spent a lot of time fundraising and backing our

23 candidates and knocking doors. And it really all just

24 feels like time wasted because we can't trust the

25 results of this election, and I saw it personally.

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1 And I'm also a forensic chemist. I'm responsible


2 for chain of custody. I've testified to it in Court.
3 I'm not sure if the people that were working the polls
4 are prepared to testify in Court for their actions.
5 I'm honestly just appalled at what I saw and how
6 unorganized the whole thing was.
7 And I just have one last question. Since so much
8 money was spent on this election, I believe what, 2
9 million, and the county totally blew it, are we the
10 people of Mercer County going to be reimbursed for
11 that?
12 MR. MAYFIELD: Good question.
13 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: All right.
14 I don't know if Natalia Armstrong -- did they
15 locate her.
16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: She left.
17 CHAIRWOMAN MELKER: She left. Okay.
18 All right. I do believe that was all the names,
19 unless anybody wasn't called?
20 All right. So we're going to go on with the rest
21 of our meeting. We're going to take a two-minute
22 break.
23 (Time noted: 8:09 p.m.)
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1 C E R T I F I C A T E

3 I, TAMMY LYNN ENSANA, Certified Court Reporter and

4 Notary Public of the State of New Jersey do hereby

5 swear that the foregoing is a true and accurate record

6 of the testimony taken stenographically by me; and I am

7 neither attorney nor counsel for nor related to or

8 employed by any of the parties to the action in which

9 this matter is taken; and further, that I am not a

10 relative or employee of any attorney or counsel

11 employed by the parties hereto, or financially

12 interested in the action.

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18 TAMMY LYNN ENSANA

19 CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER

20 License No.: 30XI002227200

21 Dated: November 29, 2022

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