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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011

Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? username time status ikeontoast 19:59

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ikeontoast

19:59

#ukedchat if everyone in #ukedchat clicks #poems4players tonight and RTs the big tweet my kids might just get a comment :)

bevevans22

19:59

Welcome everyone to tonight's #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?

Natty08

19:59

Good food channel is on here for #ukedchat Heck to be honest it is usually on!

squiggle7

19:59

I am joining in tonight as this is what caused me problems today in my lesson obs

geraldhaigh1

19:59

One answer is they're flying already. Teachers are trying to scramble into the cockpit hoping to nudge the joystick occasionally #ukedchat

ukedchat

19:59

It's 8pm. Over to @bevevans22 hosting #ukedchat today. "How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?"

ICTmagic

20:00

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat, with all the technology available there has never been a better time to foster independent learners and learning.

colport

20:00

Just to start, children come to schools as independent learners, and the education system stifles it!!! #ukedchat

ePaceonline

20:00

#ukedchat, with all the technology available there has never been a better time to foster independent learners and learning.

ICTmagic

20:00

Yes, it is possible. But the joy of learning must come first. #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:00

So, what do you all think? Anyone have some ideas they'd like to kick off with. Please remember to use the #ukedchat hashtag

nancyrubin

20:00

PLEs: Creating User-Centric Learning Environments http://t.co/wuhnyvm #ukedchat

deerwood

20:00

I'd like to ask, is it good to be an independent learner, isn't collaboration and cooperation better? #ukedchat

normal_for_jp

20:01

desire to learn, safe space to fail and wander up a few blind alleys. oh and boredom#ukedchat

colport

20:01

@bevevans22 When children start school (aged 3/4/5) they are curious, natural independent learners. Schools can stifle this #ukedchat

hairysporran

20:01

we need to start showing pupils how to learn not what to learn the rest will follow #ukedchat lots of staff at my school forget this

hrogerson

20:01

What is meant by an independent learner? #ukedchat

simmo19691969

20:01

@ukedchat surely we all need to depend on others every day in our adult life, so not totally independent ourselves.

Creativeedu

20:01

to clarify are we talking just in the classroom or as a lifeskill? #UKEdChat

deerwood

20:01

RT @Mean_Teacher: @deerwood a mixture of all three is even better! #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? KnikiDavies 20:01 @bevevans22 #ukedchat I have started

KnikiDavies

20:01

@bevevans22 #ukedchat I have started "self-directed learning" time - children can choose anything educational they would like to work on

ElKel99

20:01

ok, using twitterfall for first time #ukedchat, hope this works

ICTmagic

20:01

@colport I quite agree. We can learn a lot from early years. #ukedchat

Educationchat

20:01

#ukedchat Teach children skills & give them opportunities to apply them independently. DON'T teach them pure facts! R U listening Mr Gove?

republicofmath

20:01

IMO, learning to listen, to understand other point of view, is first step to independence #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:01

good question @deerwood is collaboration or independent learning better? #UKEdChat < I'd say you need both

bevevans22

20:01

RT @colport: Just to start, children come to schools as independent learners, and the education system stifles it!!! #ukedchat < EXPLAIN!

Natty08

20:01

I'm interested to see what others say, I am quite mean in class and never help them first time round! Sometimes second time! #ukedchat

ZoeRoss19

20:01

@Reid_Robert please do contribute ! :) #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:02

@colport totally agree with that one, target led education doesn't leave room for pupils to think for themselves #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:02

Is 'truly independent' learning some kind of utopia? Eventually adults come to realise collective learning more powerful #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:02

#ukedchat in Wales we have the Foundation Phase with child initiated learning. But is child initiated the same as independent learning?

simmo19691969

20:02

@ukedchat therefore an independent learner is the skill to find or source information

deepexperience1

20:02

#ukedchat obvious point - give children time & support to fail & learn from mistakes/share what they found out

deepexperience1

20:02

#ukedchat obvious point - give children time & support to fail & learn from mistakes/share what they found out

rjpritchard

20:02

It's possible, but made very difficult by the whole results driven culture of education. #ukedchat

rjpritchard

20:02

It's possible, but made very difficult by the whole results driven culture of education. #ukedchat

phillengthorn

20:02

@Natty08 I often do the same 'no questions for the next 8mins' #ukedchat

normal_for_jp

20:02

desire to learn, safe space to fail and wander up a few blind alleys. oh and boredom #ukedchat

Joeleppington

20:02

#ukedchat chn I know are already ind. Learners - what they're learning and what tchr is hoping they will learn is not always same tho

jonburdon

20:02

Does independent learning mean learning without a teacher or without peers as well? #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? ldeacon 20:02 Can collaborative learning lead to

ldeacon

20:02

Can collaborative learning lead to independent learning? #ukedchat

ZoeRoss19

20:02

RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat I have started "self-directed learning" time-children can choose anything educational they would like to work on

G_for_Gemma

20:02

RT @colport: Just to start, children come to schools as independent learners, and the education system stifles it!!! #ukedchat

everd

20:02

RT @hairysporran: we need to start showing pupils how to learn not what to learn the rest will follow #ukedchat lots of staff at my school forget this

squiggle7

20:02

@colport I have to agree, think Foundation stage ideas need to be promoted throughout

jimjudges

20:02

@epaceonline technology should help but can it also hinder e.g. Google has the answer so why think? are learners critical users? #ukedchat

Natty08

20:02

#ukedchat children in my class know I would sooner they try than them come to me! Obviously I do help but collaboration is encouraged first

stuckonhomework

20:03

RT @bevevans22: Welcome everyone to tonight's #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?

samschoolstuff

20:03

RT @bevevans22: Welcome everyone to tonight's #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?

tim7168

20:03

@colport What about the child who independently decides they have no wish to learn to read/write/count? #ukedchat

simmo19691969

20:03

#ukedchat surely we all need to depend on others every day in our adult life, so not totally independent ourselves.

John_Pallister

20:03

RT @geraldhaigh1: @bevevans22 @colport That's largely true, sadly. The aim for the teacher is to nurture without stifling and that's difficult #ukedchat

ileducprof

20:03

RT @republicofmath: IMO, learning to listen, to understand other point of view, is first step to independence #ukedchat

KnikiDavies

20:03

#ukedchat Encouraging children to ask big questions in class is always a good start

G_for_Gemma

20:03

#ukedchat I have lessons where questions of me are banned. They have to ask each other, books and internet ect

SusanElkinJourn

20:03

#ukedchat Think it's about opening doors and giving kids a shove. Introducing what they wouldn't (maybe) otherwise find eg classical music

bevevans22

20:03

@geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat How do you achieve the correct balance that will make our learners independent?

theokk

20:03

@deerwood you can be independent and collaborate; you bring your original ideas to the group #ukedchat

mbrayford

20:03

@ZoeRoss19 @KnikiDavies #ukedchat looking to start self directed learning too

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? cherrylkd 20:03 @colport #ukedchat Agree. We do

cherrylkd

20:03

@colport #ukedchat Agree. We do this from the off by putting them straight into groups for playing.

deerwood

20:03

If learners become (?) independent learners, what happens to the role of the teacher? #ukedchat

Natty08

20:03

In their books they make a note of who helped them with what bits. It is amazing who they value to help. #ukedchat

KShaw1977

20:03

#ukedchat Involving children in planning, provision planning & setting challenges etc keeps them interested & gives them the 1/2

Creativeedu

20:03

does anyone have good examples of independent learning at primary / secondary - seems EYFS has it licked! #UKEdChat

samschoolstuff

20:03

RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat in Wales we have the Foundation Phase with child initiated learning. But is child initiated the same as independent learning?

hairysporran

20:03

show the pupils where you want them to go and give them the tools. they find their own way. you guide. #ukedchat

ldeacon

20:03

RT @ElKel99: @colport totally agree with that one, target led education doesn't leave room for pupils to think for themselves #ukedchat

geraldhaigh1

20:03

@bevevans22 @colport That's largely true, sadly. The aim for the teacher is to nurture without stifling and that's difficult #ukedchat

ZoeRoss19

20:03

RT @ldeacon: Can collaborative learning lead to independent learning? #ukedchat <definitely!

Natty08

20:04

Sometimes if they ask a question I tell them I don't know and ask them to find out for me, they love that I don't know everything #ukedchat

nancyrubin

20:04

Blogging is an individual activity with opp to collaborate using comments for feedback and peer review - need to foster both #ukedchat

CliveSir

20:04

Encourage curiosity. Model curiosity. #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:04

#ukedchat Maybe someone could define what they would judge to be independent learning? Do we all think the same thing?

andywhiteway

20:04

RT @ukedchat: Tonight's #ukedchat topic "How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?" - 10 minutes

craftyslh

20:04

Don't forget it's '#ukedchat now.

colport

20:04

@calie77 Reminds me of a song "as soon as I could talk, I was told to listen", or something like that #ukedchat

ianaddison

20:04

#ukedchat to be independent means giving children options, support and the ability to succeed and more importantly, fail.

MissClamp

20:04

RT @LeeMarkDavies: I can't learn on my own - I need others to aid my reflection and maintain my motivation #ukedchat

frogphilp

20:04

@deerwood Role of teacher is to define socio-cultural context for learning in and provide scaffolding for learning - see Vygotsky #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? asober 20:04 RT @ngflcymru: @timrylands just agreed

asober

20:04

RT @ngflcymru: @timrylands just agreed to let us broadcast his presentation live tomorrow at #ICT4Ed in #cardiff 8.45 here http://bit.ly/c4nLoV #ukedchat

ngflcymru

20:04

@timrylands just agreed to let us broadcast his presentation live tomorrow at #ICT4Ed in #cardiff 8.45 here http://bit.ly/c4nLoV #ukedchat

MissClamp

20:04

RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Independent learning often means giving ch a choice. Sometimes in the method of finding out, sometimes in method of recording.

Creativeedu

20:04

A lot of it depends on our definition of independent learning as others have said. I'm not 100% clear on this - ideas? #UKEdChat

Future_Schools

20:04

We plan all topics after asking children what they already know and what questions they have #ukedchat

colport

20:04

@cherrylkd We 'guide' their decisions to suit us (the educators) #ukedchat

hairbyslice

20:04

#ukedchat Independent learning often means giving ch a choice. Sometimes in the method of finding out, sometimes in method of recording.

LeeMarkDavies

20:04

I can't learn on my own - I need others to aid my reflection and maintain my motivation #ukedchat

ldeacon

20:05

RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Also think independent means collaborative not solitary! < agreed!

Matthfreeak

20:05

RT @republicofmath: IMO, learning to listen, to understand other point of view, is first step to independence #ukedchat

sfrench21

20:05

Teachers are there to facilitate learning. To ensure that students make progress #ukedchat

dughall

20:05

Hearing about www.super-school.co.uk at #tmleeds Shame we're now being eclipsed by #ukedchat

nancyrubin

20:05

Tech Lessons - Blog Ideas http://t.co/ZCzjVB7 #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:05

RT @craftyslh: Don't forget it's '#ukedchat now.

Calie77

20:05

#ukedchat @bevevans22 @colport I think they lose that magical 'Why?' Maybe we train them to listen more than we encourage them to question.

Creativeedu

20:05

RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat Maybe someone could define what they would judge to be independent learning? Do we all think the same thing?

hairbyslice

20:05

#ukedchat Also think independent means collaborative not solitary!

colport

20:05

@tim7168 I am talking about formative years, mainly, at the moment. #ukedchat

Future_Schools

20:05

We teach them the skills of researching and note taking and they direct their own learning to a certain extent #ukedchat

deerwood

20:05

@theokk excellent point, and I suspect you may have your own interpretation of any answer or outcome. #ukedchat

KShaw1977

20:05

#ukedchat 2/2 opportunity to learn in way that suits them! We know nxt steps so can provide further opp's for them from their starting point

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? bevevans22 20:05 RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat to be

bevevans22

20:05

RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat to be independent means giving children options, support and the ability to succeed and more importantly, fail.

simmo19691969

20:05

#ukedchat therefore an independent learner is the skill to find or source information

ICTmagic

20:05

Of course, it would help if the school assessment/test system that was sympathetic to independent thinking and learning. Oh well. #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:05

@colport wish I knew how to do it though, so difficult with so many curriculum constraints #ukedchat

KnikiDavies

20:05

@mbrayford @ZoeRoss19 #ukedchat I want them to write a goal of what they want to get better at and steps to get there to keep them focused

ZoeRoss19

20:06

Being able to think for yourself is such an important skill in secondary too-it's hard to develop & often needs a culture shift! #ukedchat

Future_Schools

20:06

This term they are all researching a different area of our topic and then we'll put together everything in a class museum #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:06

Independent Learning: "…the ability to take charge of one’s learning" #UKEdChat

geraldhaigh1

20:06

A lack of clarity about the meaning of the term. In a sense every learner is an independent constructor of their own reality. #ukedchat

colport

20:06

@squiggle7 I was reminded of the Rose Report today promised such opportunities IMHO #ukedchat

now

that

Ideas_Factory

20:06

RT @dughall: Hearing about www.super-school.co.uk at #tmleeds Shame we're now being eclipsed by #ukedchat

victhedaddy

20:06

Most are digital natives now, masses of technology, put it in their hand and off they go on voyage of discovery #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:06

@calie77 I presented about that at a TmeachMeet http://bit.ly/e9i5gE #ukedchat

Natty08

20:06

We also follow http://www.buildinglearningpower.co.uk/ ideas it leads to independence and collaboration #ukedchat

mbrayford

20:06

#ukedchat I would define independent does mean giving children options, tackling a task applying skills. Success and learning from failure

cherrylkd

20:06

@LeeMarkDavies #ukedchat at the start they have to be independent so we know they understand for themselves. Not just copying others

grokbox

20:06

RT @hairysporran: we need to start showing pupils how to learn not what to learn the rest will follow #ukedchat <- here here!

informed_edu

20:06

Students shd learn independently sometimes, but if they ignored the power of teacher guidance completely it would be a loss #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? andywhiteway 20:06 Independent learner: autonomous,

andywhiteway

20:06

Independent learner: autonomous, able to look ahead and learn from failure as much as success #ukedchat

G_for_Gemma

20:06

RT @ICTmagic: Of course, it would help if the school assessment/test system that was sympathetic to independent thinking and learning. Oh well. #ukedchat

samschoolstuff

20:06

RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat Maybe someone could define what they would judge to be independent learning? Do we all think the same thing?

ElKel99

20:06

@deerwood teacher is the guide #ukedchat

colport

20:06

@passionateaboot yes, yes, yes #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:06

@Natty08 like the idea of making a note :) #ukedchat

Mean_Teacher

20:06

@LeeMarkDavies And that is exactly what the teacher's role should be! #ukedchat

colport

20:06

RT @passionateaboot: @colport so is the challenge for teachers to maintain that thirst and desire? #UKedchat

Ideas_Factory

20:07

#tmleeds Will be mentioning #ukedchat in my pres to come at Teachmeet Leeds-can we pause till I've done @colport ;^)

squiggle7

20:07

#ukedchat how do you give chn the motivation to learn independently, even if what they're learning is teacher directed?

Digital_Blonde

20:07

Interested to see how 'digital' fits into #ukedchat discussion tonight

mbrayford

20:07

#ukedchat definitely needs a culture shift. Children find it difficult to deal with failure. Isn't this part of the learning?

Natty08

20:07

Bigest issue I have is fixed mindset children. They are scared to work on their own and get it wrong! #ukedchat

BenRogersOVA

20:07

@ElKel99 @colport #ukedchat We were having this conversation last night at cpd. Could it be that awards and merits reduce motivation?

ZoeRoss19

20:07

RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat I want them to write a goal of what they want to get better at and steps to get there to keep them focused

deepexperience1

20:07

“@hairbyslice: #ukedchat Also think independent means collaborative not solitary!―I'm the opposite - learn best on my own - all different!

SusanElkinJourn

20:07

@bevevans22 #ukedchat Simply the ability to learn surely? Isn't all learning independent in a sense? No one can force someone else to learn.

nancyrubin

20:07

Wiki Webliographies http://t.co/h8fYgGh #ukedchat - new format for annotated bibs

passionateaboot

20:07

@colport so is the challenge for teachers to maintain that thirst and desire? #ukedchat

craftyslh

20:07

How can you involve students in group work if they are going to learn independently. There must be times when they work together. #ukedchat

theokk

20:07

@deerwood possibly an even more important role, helping them learn, rather than feeding them stuff for recall #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? misshbond 20:08 RT @Natty08: Bigest issue I

misshbond

20:08

RT @Natty08: Bigest issue I have is fixed mindset children. They are scared to work on their own and get it wrong! #ukedchat <- Me too!

Creativeedu

20:08

RT @mbrayford: #ukedchat definitely needs a culture shift. Children find it difficult to deal with failure. Isn't this part of the learning?

jonburdon

20:08

IL means learning without a teacher. If we have failed to teach children to learn independently we have failed to teach them. #ukedchat

nancyrubin

20:08

eJournal Ideas for Teachers http://t.co/sEAxnE5 #ukedchat

ePaceonline

20:08

#ukedchat , learning to deal with failure and making mistakes very important. Knowing what to do when you don't know what to do

eponymousdrums

20:08

#ukedchat giving students pride and a point to their learning always worked well for me

redtedart

20:08

RT @mamaleahita: RT @RedTedArt Easy Kids Crafts: Pinwheel http://bit.ly/mtpe9L #crafts #kids #ukedchat <<thank you, you are lovely!!

bevevans22

20:08

RT @cherrylkd: @Future_Schools #ukedchat. Good idea. Independent learning followed by collaboration. - That sounds like a plan

rogerbilling

20:08

We don't label by ability, children select the challenge they feel confident with-building their own understanding of themselves #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:08

@tim7168 @colport all children want to learn, some are just turned off by bad experiences #ukedchat

mamaleahita

20:08

RT @RedTedArt Easy Kids Crafts: Pinwheel #crafts #kids #teachpreschool #ukedchat

http://bit.ly/mtpe9L

bevevans22

20:08

#ukedchat Has anyone got any tried and tested methods they think help pupils become independent learners? Please share #ukedchat

mattbuxton10

20:08

To be Independent kids need to have internalised conceptual frameworks in order to process info/data etc #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:08

@colport And what are some of the fantastic examples out there of how teachers are keeping that autonomous momentum up #ukedchat

Laura_987

20:08

I think it depends what learning is. Isn't all learning independent? I can't learn X for you, you need to learn it yourself #ukedchat

cherrylkd

20:08

@Future_Schools #ukedchat. Good idea. Independent learning followed by collaboration.

ElKel99

20:08

@colport @geraldhaigh1 @ictmagic @squiggle7 we can all learn from it #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:08

and, of course, there is no place for a teacher in truly independent learning #becarefulwhatyouwishfor #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:08

@colport @geraldhaigh1 @ictmagic @squiggle7 we can all learn from it #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? LeeMarkDavies 20:08 and, of course, there is

LeeMarkDavies

20:08

and, of course, there is no place for a teacher in truly independent learning #becarefulwhatyouwishfor #ukedchat

ePaceonline

20:09

@jimjudges agreed , encouraging critical thinking skills should sit alongside indep learning, pupils need to learn how to sift info#ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:09

Independent learning isn't the same as learning on your own. #ukedchat

grouchyteacher

20:09

Giving kids choices and helping them find what they are good at as well as trying new things leads to independence #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:09

Vygotsky wud suggest that all learning is a social & a teacher is needed to mediate learning #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:09

@Creativeedu @mbrayford Theres no such thing as failure, only feedback #ukedchat

colport

20:09

@Ideas_Factory Oh, no no no! See #ukedchat in full swing now all folks at #tmleeds It will make Julian's presentation very easy ;-)

KShaw1977

20:09

#ukedchat Children come into FStage with a thirst for knowledge! What can we do to ensure this continues?

Catriona_O

20:09

#ukedchat independent learning = learners having a degree of control over planning, content, pace, method & outcome of learning?

DrAshCasey

20:09

Does independent mean above and beyond? #ukedchat

KnikiDavies

20:09

#ukedchat To me independent learner means interested in learning and keen to explore and find out at home as well as school

SimonBainbridge

20:09

#ukedchat Introduced one of my schools to Posterous.com today and they loved it! To help independant learning and collaboration.

Scenicus

20:09

@ukedchat I found that the montessori method encourages independent learning.

bevevans22

20:09

@rogerbilling Unfortunately, labelling by ability still happens #ukedchat It's something I hate.

geraldhaigh1

20:09

The teacher's essential. But the teacher has to be sensitive that each child is putting learning together in their own way. #ukedchat

   

@ukedchat we're talking about eduction on our tweetUp Thurs til

RedShiftRadioUK

20:09

9pm

our

teacher @Crewepartner says promote self awareness in

children

Calie77

20:09

@hairysporran @calie77 they should. But I do think that somewhere the emphasis falls on listening more. #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:09

@sfrench21 I'm sorry - but teaching and 'facilitating learning' very different - a hole in the wall machine facilitates banking #ukedchat

normal_for_jp

20:09

#ukedchat knowing that sometimes they are finding things out/learning stuff before other people. A relevance I suppose

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? Educationchat 20:09 #ukedchat MILE Awards (Making

Educationchat

20:09

#ukedchat MILE Awards (Making Independent Learning Exciting) is a project a cluster of schools in Bolton has set up. Fabulous work going on.

colport

20:09

@BenRogersOVA For certain pupils, yes! #ukedchat

Future_Schools

20:09

@cherrylkd And they're actually working in 'research pairs' (mixed ability)! Working very well indeed. #ukedchat

CliveBuckley

20:09

Missed the start - maybe this has been said previously. Should the teacher be facilitator, a role for social constructivism? #ukedchat

frogphilp

20:09

@BenRogersOVA Awards increase extrinsic motivation, but decrease intrinsic motivation. #ukedchat

mikeatedji

20:09

@KnikiDavies @bevevans22 #UKedchat who determines what's educational?

esolcourses

20:10

RT @chickensaltash: Guest blog post by students: What is games based blogging? - want to get involved? #ukedchat http://bit.ly/mhKQTe

Future_Schools

20:10

@bevevans22 + they all have a goal because their work will have high status in class museum (visited by rest of school, parents) #ukedchat

victoryoak

20:10

RT @colport: @BenRogersOVA For certain pupils, yes! #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:10

Young Enterprise was a turning point for me growing up in terms of becoming an independent and motivated learner #UKEdChat

frogphilp

20:10

@SusanElkinJourn Independence is almost the same as creativity - you can't define something by what it is not #ukedchat

deerwood

20:10

@Natty08 @squiggle7 but is it just about end product? Isn't independent learning more about the process? #ukedchat

colport

20:10

@ElKel99 @tim7168 and expectations of parents? #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:10

@danandrs 100% agree #ukedchat

andywhiteway

20:10

#ukedchat have found giving groups collaborative access to website sharing via diigo also builds indep.

Calie77

20:10

@bevevans22 @calie77 That's a fantastic link. Thanks! I'm just listening now :) #ukedchat

ePaceonline

20:10

ICTmagic joy of learning central, opening eyes, developing minds and encouraging independent thinking #ukedchat

Natty08

20:10

I also award those who go over and beyond and look at things in their own time. They know I value it #ukedchat

victoryoak

20:10

RT @BenRogersOVA: @ElKel99 @colport #ukedchat We were having this conversation last night at cpd. Could it be that awards and merits reduce motivation?

bevevans22

20:10

RT @SusanElkinJourn: Independent learning isn't the same as learning on your own. #ukedchat - can you explain the difference?

SexEdUKation

20:10

RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat Teach children skills & give them opportunities to apply them independently. DON'T teach them pure facts! R U listening Mr Gove?

malcolmbellamy

20:10

I am independently learning in this conversation #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? mbrayford 20:10 #ukedchat agree they need an

mbrayford

20:10

#ukedchat agree they need an end product or an audience that isn't just their teacher.

CliveBuckley

20:11

Have posted this before but worth watching - My PLE 7th grader http://youtu.be/YEls3tq5wIY #ukedchat

ICTmagic

20:11

@bevevans22 Must make sure independent learning is central throughout the whole school or there is a lot of things to un-teach. #ukedchat

hrogerson

20:11

@CliveBuckley I have heard the word "mediator" used: the tchr has to mediate between the new material & the student for indpt lrns #ukedchat

poundten

20:11

More trust = more independence #ukedchat

I

observed this in 2 lessons today

mattbuxton10

20:11

@Digital_Blonde #ukedchat Digital fits in by providing visual thinking templates to facilitate & stimulate conceptual & big pic thinking

Nelkcarps

20:11

RT @ianaddison: What is #ukedchat? Let my blog post explain it for you http://t.co/4Oww2PW

Grevster73

20:11

RT @SusanElkinJourn: Learning can (& should) be teacher-led but the child brings independence - and individuality - to it. #ukedchat

malcolmbellamy

20:11

we should all be independent lifelong learners #ukedchat

hoopers1

20:11

#ukedchat In maths chn choose group to work with according to their confidence with that topic.

Grevster73

20:11

Ts supporting Ps to ask their own questions, solve problems & recognise how to improve. #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:11

Learning can (& should) be teacher-led but the child brings independence - and individuality - to it. #ukedchat

Calie77

20:12

@bevevans22 #ukedchat Allocating 'Why' and 'How' time into a lesson; giving the students time to evaluate. Good pair or group work.

tim7168

20:12

@colport @edkel99 or lack thereof

#ukedchat

nancyrubin

20:12

The Innovative Educator: Student Driven Learning = Passion-Based

Classrooms

http://t.co/dqUWNMf #ukedchat

grokbox

20:12

“@SusanElkinJourn: @bevevans22 #ukedchat Simply the ability to learn surely?" <- Ability to learn and having confidence that they can

Natty08

20:12

@squiggle7 @deerwood A clear end product and TIME limit allows for them to do the process, hope that makes sense? #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:12

RT @frogphilp: @SusanElkinJourn Independence is almost the same as creativity - you can't define something by what it is not #ukedchat

AndrewManson1

20:12

@Digital_Blonde good question about how digital fits? Software can close down enquiry and life is messier than a database #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:12

@davidhunter #ukedchat but can that always be done? eg doing ancient greeks at the mo, not all may like but still have to do

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? Grevster73 20:12 am continually learning how to

Grevster73

20:12

am continually learning how to learn as I continually learn how to teach (better) - when did I become independent? #ukedchat

I

MissiF

20:12

RT @Creativeedu: Young Enterprise was a turning point for me growing up in terms of becoming an independent and motivated learner #UKEdChat

SimonBainbridge

20:12

#ukedchat ICT tools and services need to be easy to use or Students and Teachers just wont use them enough to benefit learning!

cardiffscience

20:12

#ukedchat need to take away crutches, chunk less and make learning tasks more challenging

GaryAveryICT

20:12

In Primary isn't independent learning all about letting loose and getting the children to 'play' at something?? #ukedchat

mikeatedji

20:12

@tim7168 #UKedchat show me that child

sfrench21

20:12

cannot take credit for this- sec maths 2promote indpt learning- laptops & headphones in pairs +links construction videos

I

#ukedchat

   

is an independent learner not the child who takes an idea from class

ElKel99

20:12

+ continues to learn about it when they get out the door?

#ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:12

@mbrayford Do they need an end product or is it about the journey? #ukedchat

Future_Schools

20:12

Most important part of my job is to teach them the skills they need to learn independently. #ukedchat

   

I

dont think that that children wrkn independently means them

KempsterD

20:12

wrkn on their own. It's abt having confidence in their own learning.

#ukedchat

   

A

reminder to anyone just joining us: we;re discussing how to make

bevevans22

20:12

children independent learners- please join in with any thoughts

#ukedchat

   

@deepexperience1 @hairbyslice. #ukedchat So would it be best to

cherrylkd

20:12

find their personal way of learning before determining ind or group

work?

KempsterD

20:13

Independent learning, to me., means that children have the skills, confidence and competence to tackle prblems and tasks #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:13

@craftyslh independent does not mean alone in my book, it means not being spoonfed by teacher and learning collaboratively

#ukedchat

bevevans22

20:13

Please remember to use the #ukedchat hashtag in your tweets - it makes it easier for all to follow

cardiffscience

20:13

#ukedchat G Claxton would argue they need to be encouraged to tolerate the feelings of being 'stuck' so they can work out how to move on

rogerbilling

20:13

We are hearing of more schools not grouping, need to keep up the profile! #ukedchat @bevevans22

squiggle7

20:13

@Natty08 @deerwood #ukedchat mine today had time limits and did get to end product but didn't progress as much as should cos not independent

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? dukkhaboy 20:13 i think i did independent

dukkhaboy

20:13

i think i did independent learning when i was at school only it was called project work then #samedogonlywashed #ukedchat

cherrylkd

20:13

@Future_Schools: RT Most important part of my job is to teach them the skills they need to learn independently. #ukedchat < agreed.

Creativeedu

20:13

Tip to newbies to #UKEdChat if you see an interesting link, favourite it now and read it later so you can keep up!

sfrench21

20:13

Students follow videos online. Can replay as many times as want = differentiation and independence. #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:13

@malcolmbellamy #ukedchat leading to independent decision makers

G_for_Gemma

20:13

@ElKel99 Yup have tried question cards. But I do find plunging them into complete no q's is fun for us all - initiates creativity #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:13

@malcolmbellamy not so - you are dependant on the conversation and those contributing to it #ukedchat

frogphilp

20:13

Keep part to teach children to be independent is to give them opportunities to co-construct their learning with their adults #ukedchat

Reid_Robert

20:13

Hard to foster independent learning if it doesn't happen across whole school. Remains the exception rather than the norm #ukedchat

hairbyslice

20:13

#ukedchat Giving ch the ability to learn and discover without simply being fed the facts?

colport

20:13

@tim7168 @edkel99 Sadly, yes! #ukedchat

 

GaryAveryICT

20:13

What they learn from their own investigations is more important

than something they've been taught

isn't

it? #ukedchat

malcolmbellamy

20:13

independence means freedom to follow our own pathways #ukedchat

DrAshCasey

20:13

Created independent learning in #physed by using cooperative learning over a six year period#ukedchat

CliveBuckley

20:13

Teachers provide the scaffolding not the building #ukedchat

hrogerson

20:13

@KempsterD I like that definition of it. Getting on and working something out without an adult giving the answer. #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:13

@ICTmagic Agreed - a whole school policy is key. Everyone should involved in helping to create independent learners #ukedchat

asober

20:14

then let them explore those objectives and bring it back at the

end?

#ukedchat

bevevans22

20:14

@calie77 Are we talking about thinking time here? No hands up? Time for reflection? All good in their way #ukedchat

andywhiteway

20:14

#ukedchat isn't it those 'deep' learning experiences that can prov. most IL opportunities? (trips, visiting other schools, big projects)

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? deerwood 20:14 @squiggle7 @Natty08 okay, so is

deerwood

20:14

@squiggle7 @Natty08 okay, so is this a difficulty that, as often case, more able become independent learners before peers? #ukedchat

ukedchat

20:14

If you are commenting about the #ukedchat discussion, please remember to include '#ukedchat' in your tweet, so all can see in the stream

Catriona_O

20:14

#ukedchat surely the 1 thng we need 2do if YP are 2become independent learners is 2reliquish the fallacy of tchr as point zero of knowledge?

nellmog

20:14

I think that sometimes there is a fear to allow students some independence as they may fail but this is a valuable lesson to learn #ukedchat

asober

20:14

Plan. learn. goals with learners could b good way towards ind learning, e.g. "what do we need to learn to solve this problem?" #ukedchat

nancyrubin

20:14

Flip Your Classroom With Vodcasts and Podcasts http://t.co/B37AaU9 #ukedchat #flipclass

passionateaboot

20:14

#ukedchat To be an independent learner do they need to know about self? How do they do that?

frogphilp

20:14

@CliveBuckley Agree - but two types of scaffolding: negotiated and rigid - I mention them in this post http://bit.ly/gycJLx #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:14

@bevevans22 #ukedchat I did OU as an independen learner but was one of a community of students. Learning led and supported by tutors etc.

eponymousdrums

20:14

#ukedchat #ukedchat I think that teaching skills to help students deal with their perception of failure is v important (thnx epaceonline)

davidhunter

20:14

@squiggle7 re motivation to learn u need to give em books specifically tailored to their interests tohelp em read for themselves #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:15

RT @CliveBuckley: Teachers provide the scaffolding not the building #ukedchat <ooh that's fabulous. You're clearly going for the RT factor!

rosBIGWRITING

20:15

Can't find way to join in UKEdChat but wanted to say must TRUST the kids and let them go. It's about the relationship - teacher & kids.

passionateaboot

20:15

@GaryAveryICT #ukedchat They certainly learn a great deal through play at that age - is it true as they get older? I love practical learning

jonburdon

20:15

what are the qualities of a truly independent learner #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:15

@bevevans22 In a group of, say, six kids working togther each is independently learning something different. #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:15

@SusanElkinJourn Thank you - I thought that was what you were suggesting - just wanted to clarify #ukedchat

mattharding007

20:15

#ukedchat Maybe now SATS are over children can start to learn useful skills to become independent learners and not regurgitators of facts!

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? ICTmagic 20:15 Our society is rick/failure adverse

ICTmagic

20:15

Our society is rick/failure adverse & this has been brought into sch. Kids need to learn to 'try, fail & improve' to move on. #ukedchat

tim7168

20:15

@sfrench21 Have you seen Salman Khan on videos as an educational tool on TED? Will try to find link. #ukedchat

tedcurran

20:15

RT @nancyrubin: Flip Your Classroom With Vodcasts and Podcasts http://t.co/B37AaU9 #ukedchat #flipclass

rogerbilling

20:15

Brilliant, great to hear - it works so well and helps children understand where they are! #ukedchat @hoopers1

frogphilp

20:15

@Reid_Robert Agree - it's to be a drive from everybody within the school - part of the shared vision. #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:15

Isn't independence something we aspire to as children,then grow out of as we learn to collaborate as adults? #UKEdChat

davidhunter

20:16

@BenRogersOVA #ukedchat its the old extrinsic v intrinsic reward.better to try and associate learning with good times and fun

bevevans22

20:16

RT @squiggle7: #ukedchat my prob is more able less don't have cooperation skills to work independently! - Easier if you start them young

Natty08

20:16

My children do a lot of independent work - my EAL children are the best at it #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:16

@Natty08 @deerwood #ukedchat but how much practise should it take? Mine have been practising all year and still can't do it :(

Mean_Teacher

20:16

Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat

frogphilp

20:16

@CreativeEdu Independence is key to collaboration. You've got to have a sense of identity and purpose to collaborate effectively #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:16

@nancyrubin #ukedchat Passion based classrooms - based on who's passion?

CliveBuckley

20:16

Wow fast tonight! #ukedchat

KempsterD

20:16

RE http://bit.ly/lgswNo You're right. Building independence means giving pupils opportunities to fail. Have time to reflect. #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:16

RT @Creativeedu: RT @CliveBuckley: Teachers provide the scaffolding not the building #ukedchat <ooh that's fabulous. You're clearly going for the RT factor!

G_for_Gemma

20:16

RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Maybe now SATS are over children can start to learn useful skills to become independent learners and not regurgitators of facts!

JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat students get training from oracle students G&T for the process as well to work on teamwork PLTs

JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat apply their thinking box skills developed through the year and create their own enquiry Qs on NEnews we assess use of thinking box

deerwood

20:16

@CreativeEdu don't think so, as @theokk says you can be an independent learner within collaboration by bringing your own views #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? JOHNSAYERS 20:16 #ukedchat through year a resource

JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat through year a resource bank of news articles on NE&cumbrian documented by staff with vids(based on BBC/ITV) students then

JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat students in year go on field trips to 8 locations learning Geog,Hist,RE,lit,num, about the area and apply to enquiry Qs

malcolmbellamy

20:16

I see independence as a frame of mind an ability to think for yourself #ukedchat

 

Digital_Blonde

20:16

#ukedchat do you think Twitter has a role in this 'digital' enquiry

squiggle7

20:16

@deerwood @Natty08 #ukedchat my prob is more able less don't have cooperation skills to work independently!

   

RT @GaryAveryICT: What they learn from their own investigations

bevevans22

20:16

is more important than something they've been taught #ukedchat

isn't

it?

hairysporran

20:16

ahhhrrrgggg

systen crash now out of touch #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat activities for blooms taxonomy and how to use, literacy/numeracy/ICT skills with step guides on how to use apply.

dughall

20:16

Big shoutout for #ukedchat by @Ideas_Factory at #tmleeds :-)

 

JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat I use the thinking box (resource pack containing researching options with guides, presentation tools, team work strategies,

Grevster73

20:16

Carol Dweck 's work suggests that motivation to learn is linked to independence, studying for tests will not do that #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:17

@bevevans22 @GaryAveryICT Less likely to be a 'plaster on the mind' if they've worked it out for themselves anyway. #ukedchat

rogerbilling

20:17

Why because SATS are over? Our children do this throughout the year and still do well in SATS #ukedchat @mattharding007

bucharesttutor

20:17

Sorry for the late entry people, just came home, ate dinner now all ready for a great #ukedchat so what's the topic for today pls?

theokk

20:17

@deerwood agree Doug, as Donne ( I think) said - No Man is an Island #ukedchat

wjputt

20:17

@CliveBuckley @Mean_Teacher Being independent is cultural & needs to grow in the sch & amongst learners #ukedchat

BenRogersOVA

20:17

@Mean_Teacher #ukedchat I don't agree. If there's truth in that, it's because schools take away kids independence.

bevevans22

20:17

RT @Digital_Blonde: #ukedchat do you think Twitter has a role in this 'digital' enquiry - it can have. Some classes and schools tweet

CliveBuckley

20:17

RT @ZafAslam: Perhaps get students to 'reflect' and think about the process rather than the end product #ukedchat: yes process is impt

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? ePaceonline 20:17 @nellmog #ukedchat, really agree

ePaceonline

20:17

@nellmog #ukedchat, really agree with this. Who made the best mistake today? is often a good question to ask.

RedShiftRadioUK

20:17

RT @ioan_said: Bopping to @RedShiftRadioUK Are you joining in with the #ukedchat?

// whoop whoop!

Natty08

20:17

@squiggle7 @deerwood You are their first experience of it. They need to value it also, you are changing several years of teaching #ukedchat

SimonBainbridge

20:17

#ukedchat Students blogging about what they are doing, thinking or have learnt creates important discussions via commenting as

cherrylkd

20:17

@davidhunter @squiggle7 #ukedchat That's going to be hard if we get a prescribed book list. But I agree.

frogphilp

20:17

RT @Mean_Teacher: Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat >>not just children

elisobeth

20:17

RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat surely the 1 thng we need 2do if YP are 2become independent learners is 2reliquish the fallacy of tchr as point zero of knowledge?

ZafAslam

20:17

Perhaps get students to 'reflect' and think about the process rather than the end product #ukedchat

colport

20:17

@passionateaboot Passion for something (including learning) can be contagious #ukedchat

Mr_Thorne

20:17

@jackiesharp join the #ukedchat Jackie!

 
   

I know that if I don't know something as an adult I get and make the

GaryAveryICT

20:17

time to investigate #ukedchat

The

jammed curriculum is the problem.

CliveBuckley

20:17

RT @Mean_Teacher: Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat; Not sure I agree!

bellaale

20:17

Too braindead for #ukedchat tonight after 5 period day, swimming

gala then Y4 parents' evening

will look fwd to watching back

twolifetimes

20:18

Have one who gets angry if he finds the work too hard.How do you encourage independence in children who desperately don't want it? #ukedchat

Natty08

20:18

@squiggle7 @deerwood foster it as ethos in school. If your head values what you are trying he should let you #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:18

@bucharesttutor We're talking about helping pupils become independent learners - is it possible? #ukedchat Welcome

DrAshCasey

20:18

Created independent learning in #physed by using cooperative learning over a six year period #ukedchat

deerwood

20:18

@Natty08 @squiggle7 ah, what year group are you teaching? #ukedchat

mummynotyummy

20:18

#ukedchat A child can only organise and develop their own learning (ie independent learner) if their environment allows them to do so.

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? KempsterD 20:18 @Mean_Teacher I think they R

KempsterD

20:18

@Mean_Teacher I think they R coached 2 B spoon fed. When in FS they R do wnt 2 B indepndent. Yrs dn the line they expect the spoon #ukedchat

CliveBuckley

20:18

RT @wjputt: @CliveBuckley @Mean_Teacher Being independent is cultural & needs to grow in the sch & amongst learners #ukedchat; Agree!

Catriona_O

20:18

@Mean_Teacher do you really think so?#ukedchat heard some very interesting dtuff recently on pupil voice

mikallaane

20:18

#ukedchat who's definition of 'independent learning' is being used? What's your definition??

frankieDMD

20:18

@stuckonhomework Mabye children are learning independently already without even realising? YouTube, Wikepedia Web 2.0 #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:18

@Natty08 @deerwood I know, it's just so disheartning, wish there was a quick fix way to do it #ukedchat

MrAColley

20:18

Evening tweeps, sorry I'm late. Anyone mentioned bouncebackability yet? #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:18

RT @Grevster73: @jonburdon I suggest ability to problem solve is one quality #ukedchat

mattbuxton10

20:18

@jonburdon #ukedchat someone who knows what to do when they don't know what to do?

CliveBuckley

20:19

Surely 'learning' can only be independent? Construction of knowledge is an internal process #ukedchat

nancyrubin

20:19

Bloom's Digital Taxonomy http://t.co/rIUq84g v#ukedchat

G_for_Gemma

20:19

#ukedchat anyone able to break boundaries a little bit and set up longer term 'learning journeys'? I try to use long term q's to answer

Alvaughany

20:19

#ukedchat child initiated in FS is as indep as it gets w/o us failing to challenge children past their own ideas of lines of development.

tim7168

20:19

Very interesting video with a potential model for IL using video (Salman Khan) http://bit.ly/gZaj79 #ukedchat @sfrench21

SimonBainbridge

20:19

#ukedchat Every school should have a blog? As well as a great learning tool it is building skills they will need to use in the next 20 years

ePaceonline

20:19

@malcolmbellamy #ukedchat thinking for yourself, learning to judge and trust decisions

Catriona_O

20:19

@bellaale

that's

ALL???

lightweight

:-) #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:19

also think it's important for pupils to see we are still learning ourselves #ukedchat

mattharding007

20:19

RT @Mean_Teacher Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat DISAGREE!!!

wjputt

20:19

#ukedchat Independent isn't about learning alone - maybe it is about being self-motivated & not dependent maybe

simfin

20:19

RT @ukedchat: If you are commenting about the #ukedchat discussion, please remember to include '#ukedchat' in your tweet, so all can see in the stream

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? hairysporran 20:19 are some teachers afraid of

hairysporran

20:19

are some teachers afraid of independent learning because it means the teacher has less control of the classroom environment ? #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:19

I think blogging is a great way to promote Independent learning - anyone got good e.g.s? #UKEdChat

web20education

20:19

Education Week: The School-Internet 'Relationship' and #OnlineLearning #edchat #edtech20 #elearning #ukedchat #lrnchat http://t.co/JuCODap

squiggle7

20:19

@deerwood @Natty08 I am year 4 #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:19

Learning to think and not just learn facts is a step towards independence (u listening Mr Gove?) #ukedchat

andywhiteway

20:19

#ukedchat does anyone else find it fundamentally diff. to balance encouraging const IL with such a large curric. to get through?

passionateaboot

20:19

@ElKel99 @craftyslh #ukedchat Agree - learning how to learn for themselves so that they can make it lifelong once they know 'how to'

colport

20:19

@mikallaane Does 'independent learning' mean making (informed) choices within education? #ukedchat

ICTmagic

20:19

@calie77 Giving enough time to contemplate is important. We must make the time in a already overcrowded timetable. #ukedchat

rogerbilling

20:19

Only if they haven't experienced interaction! #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher

bucharesttutor

20:20

@bevevans22 thks fr that. According Ss should be given a free hand in giving feedback whether positive or negative thus encouraged #ukedchat

Mean_Teacher

20:20

@BenRogersOVA I agree, it was a discussion point >>> should have been ??? Sorry! #ukedchat

LAustinAGT

20:20

Sureky the key to getting students to be indenpendent learners is to get them engaged in the material? #ukedchat

Future_Schools

20:20

Having a school VLE with links to online resources is great way to encourage independent learning. #ukedchat

theokk

20:20

. @sfrench21 @tim7168 http://is.gd/BtESeg Link to Khan #ukedchat

Natty08

20:20

#ukedchat if it is fostered through school you could have SEAL themes of 'manners' eg saying please and thankyou. Way of teaching 1/2

cambridgepreu

20:20

When we ask teachers why they offer Global Perspectives, IGCSE or Pre-U, they say 'independent learning' http://bit.ly/lkigSh #ukedchat

rashush2

20:20

tried to explain to teachers how y4s teach themselves scratch via youtube. Complete incomprehension. #ukedchat

simfin

20:20

RT @bevevans22: A reminder to anyone just joining us: we;re discussing how to make children independent learners- please join in with any thoughts #ukedchat

colport

20:20

RT @ElKel99: also think it's important for pupils to see we are still learning ourselves #ukedchat <-Yes, I pretend I am learning with them!

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? GaryAveryICT 20:20 Love blogging but isn't it

GaryAveryICT

20:20

Love blogging but isn't it a vehicle for outcomes? How many children use blogs and twitter like we do on a thursday evening. ukedchat

 

ldeacon

20:20

RT @hairysporran: are some teachers afraid of independent learning because it means the teacher has less control of the classroom environment ? #ukedchat

 

passionateaboot

20:20

@nellmog #ukedchat Please teachers - there's no failure, only feedback. Encourage them to ask what the learnings are from every outcome

squiggle7

20:20

@bevevans22 haha like it! #ukedchat

 

In2schools

20:20

@jonburdon part of independent learning comes from knowing you can learn from others i.e. you are not learning independently #ukedchat

   

RT @wjputt: #ukedchat Independent isn't about learning alone -

 

bevevans22

20:20

maybe it is about being self-motivated & not dependent good point

 

maybe

-

squiggle7

20:20

@Natty08 @deerwood I did talk about having a team building focus for whole school at the start of next year, let's hope it helps #ukedchat

MrAColley

20:20

Real independent learners can pick the right too/resourcel at the right time, including the teacher when appropriate. #ukedchat

 

Notadwarf

20:20

#ukedchat for what reason? To create a society akin to Sparta?

 

colport

20:20

@hairysporran Yes. There are some control (and order) freaks out there is those classrooms ;-) #ukedchat

nellmog

20:20

@ePaceonline or what was learned by accident? #ukedchat Often these are the things students will remember in the long term

   

@squiggle7 Throw them in at the deep end! Send them out in the

bevevans22

20:20

rain with a tent! I think they might try and collaborate #ukedchat

;)

cardiffscience

20:21

#ukedchat twin sins of teachers which prevent independent learning; 'favourite' activiites and coverage of content

 

wjputt

20:21

#ukedchat Is independent learning possible - was that a ?? It is - it has to be.

ToughLoveforX

20:21

McKinsey Study of Global School Systems to identify what works. PDFs at http://ilnk.me/8624 Worth the download. #ecosys #ukedchat

 

rjpritchard

20:21

Independent learning = not scared of making mistakes. Not giving up when things get tough. Discovering not regurgitating. #ukedchat

Wkingbg

20:21

Any UK educators who would like to present via Skype at TeachMeet Nashville? June 7 or 8 http://tmnash.wikispaces.com #ukedchat

 

Natty08

20:21

#ukedchat cooperation skills without directly doing it. There are lots of ways you can do it. 2/2

 

poundten

20:21

@ElKel99 I like your point #ukedchat

if

we are to be seen as role models

 

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? twolifetimes 20:21 #ukedchat How does independent

twolifetimes

20:21

#ukedchat How does independent learning change, or need to change, as children get older? Moving through the years?

Mean_Teacher

20:21

I agree RT @wjputt: @CliveBuckley @Mean_Teacher Being independent is cultural & needs to grow in the sch & amongst learners #ukedchat

deerwood

20:21

@squiggle7 @Natty08 so even at yr4 do you find their previous years' experience a barrier to independent learning? #ukedchat

davidhunter

20:21

@squiggle7 #ukedchat no its a philosophical point about learning.class loved Greeks but biggest surprise wa… (cont) http://deck.ly/~lCZdz

ElKel99

20:21

@colport I don't even need to pretend some days! #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:21

I've learned from many people - it doesn't make them teachers - most had no idea they were 'teaching' me #ukedchat

rogerbilling

20:21

RT @passionateaboot: @nellmog #ukedchat Please teachers - there's no failure, only feedback. Encourage them to ask what the learnings are from every outcome

MrAColley

20:21

#ukedchat It takes a brave school to create the culture. How independent are your exam classes expected to be atm?

Grevster73

20:21

The best trainee teachers show development from being a font of knowledge to a facilitator of learning #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:21

@Creativeedu #ukedchat Do you not still learn then?

 

squiggle7

20:21

@CliveBuckley I really can't keep up!! #ukedchat

 

BANK247

20:22

RT @nancyrubin: Bloom's Digital Taxonomy http://t.co/rIUq84g v#ukedchat

sfrench21

20:22

Does indep come frm an envnmt where mistakes r accepted as part learning process? I find my most ind learners nt afraid 2tk risks #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:22

RT @malcolmbellamy: I see independence as a frame of mind an ability to think for yourself #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:22

@G_for_Gemma shhh, don't mention the 'c' word #Gove banned it #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:22

Argh I keep forgetting the #ukedchat hashtag!

 

bevevans22

20:22

A third of the way & it's fast & furious #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?

Mean_Teacher

20:22

No! Sorry the >>>> should have been ??? it was a discussion point! @Catriona_O #ukedchat

wjputt

20:22

@cambridgepreu What about OU? Some free modules available on Open Learn. #ukedchat

frogphilp

20:22

@CreativeEdu Here's my groups maths blog. Y4-6 children who can all post to it. http://bit.ly/9hPiIL #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT

20:22

RT @rjpritchard: Independent learning Discovering not

 

regurgitating. #ukedchat

That has to be it in a nutshell

Brilliant!

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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? stuckonhomework 20:22 when children
#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011
Independent Learning
Is it really Achievable?
stuckonhomework
20:22
when children start to learn independently they become more
confident, and therefore enjoy the learning process more#ukedchat
Future_Schools
20:22
can see from Fronter stats that my class are accessing great online
educational resources all the time at home #ukedchat
I
colport
20:22
am now running at least 3 minutes behind the latest tweets with
#ukedchat So much good stuff coming through :-)
I
mummynotyummy
20:22
#ukedchat independent learners need to know how they are
learning not just what. Which skills they need to use to reach the
next step.
GoodSchoolsUK
20:22
Aha! It works. Well done guys. > RT @jacksloan Why is twitter good
for teachers? Help me demonstrate! #ukedchat #edchat
#ukedchat Independent learning is about learning 'how to' learn, for
passionateaboot
20:22
self
mikallaane
20:22
#ukedchat what does 'independent learning' mean at KS1, KS2, KS3
& KS4?
Creativeedu
20:22
think a truly confident independent learner would know when to
ask their teacher for help - but that seems contradictory!
I
#UKEdChat
Grevster73
20:22
RT @rjpritchard: Independent learning = not scared of making
mistakes. Not giving up when things get tough. Discovering not
regurgitating. #ukedchat
Joeleppington
20:22
#ukedchat do we need to leave room for some prescribed learning
and if so how can this be independent? About balance?
cherrylkd
20:23
@bucharesttutor @bevevans22 #ukedchat
Future_Schools
20:23
@KempsterD Depends what you put on Fronter #ukedchat
MrAColley
20:23
#ukedchat Learning needs a real consequence/result to foster real
independence.
@twolifetimes Independent thinking must be encouraged right
bucharesttutor
20:23
from the pre school days alongside developing their motor skills etc.
#ukedchat
sfrench21
20:23
RT @Future_Schools: Having a school VLE with links to online
resources is great way to encourage independent learning.
#ukedchat
I
think open channels of communication are essential first step
Sophisimus
20:23
#ukedchat
oops @colport have just arrived late - I'm 23 minutes behing on
duckinwales
20:23
#ukedchat!
@Future_Schools Looking at some stuff on Fronter is NOT
KempsterD
20:23
independent learning
#ukedchat
@twolifetimes he could be finding it difficult to process
ePaceonline
20:23
information, finding right level and lots of reinforcement might help
#ukedchat
#ukedchat does having targets we 'have' to meet constrain
stuartaris
20:23
independance?

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? Maireths 20:23 @KempsterD #ukedchat anything from

Maireths

20:23

@KempsterD #ukedchat anything from cutting to no. bonds to handwrtng, can be in fun ways but has to be done, trick make them want 2 prctse

tim7168

20:23

Also Sugata Mitra on ICT as a route to child-led learning - amazing TED talk http://bit.ly/bRQuUo #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:23

@bevevans22 @squiggle7 I had that 1st 2 weeks of uni! We had to show what we knew to a new environment setting. Was fabulous! #ukedchat

rogerbilling

20:23

Strong leadership should be at the front of allowing teachers to feel confident in helping learners become more independent #ukedchat

colport

20:23

@rashush2 They then need guiding to become more independent? #ukedchat

hairysporran

20:23

@rashush2 did same with my yr 5 class . taught half the class scratch 1 week then they taught 2 other yr 5 classes the next week #ukedchat

ICTmagic

20:23

Building space online for kids to be creative & self-directed learning is vital - Blogs, wikis & tools like http://twiducate.com #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:23

@mummynotyummy #ukedchat By environment do you mean classroom or conditions?

BenRogersOVA

20:23

@Mean_Teacher #ukedchat I thought so! You got my steam up! Our culture values the wrong sort of praise. It's very dangerous.

CliveBuckley

20:23

Wenger and Lave communities of practice worth a read if you don't know of it http://bit.ly/6fPVe #ukedchat

hoopers1

20:23

#ukedchat Agree a VLE encourages independent learning (AND helps parental engagement)

Maireths

20:24

@Joeleppington #ukedchat got 2 be balance

dannywillis89

20:24

RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat if everyone in #ukedchat clicks #poems4players tonight and RTs the big tweet my kids might just get a comment :)

Reid_Robert

20:24

@twolifetimes maybe they're scared/confused. Being independent is better than being spoon fed, even if they don't realise it yet #ukedchat

wjputt

20:24

RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Less teacher talk, More open questions. Ch thinking, discussing and listening to each.

rjpritchard

20:24

Independent learners reflect on their successes and failures so that they are more equipped for the next challenge. #ukedchat

stuartaris

20:24

@twolifetimes for me it becomes more diverse in interest as children get older #ukedchat

mummynotyummy

20:24

@passionateaboot Both. Available tools and resources and a culture of have a go, ask for help, experiment #ukedchat

ePaceonline

20:24

@stuartaris #ukedchat I would say so!

Future_Schools

20:24

@KempsterD Why? #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory

20:24

RT @frogphilp: @CreativeEdu Here's my groups maths blog. Y4-6 children who can all post to it. http://bit.ly/9hPiIL #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? BenRogersOVA 20:24 @GaryAveryICT @rjpritchard

BenRogersOVA

20:24

@GaryAveryICT @rjpritchard #ukedchat This has been tried and then we moved on (especially in sci ed) - I think it's harder than it looks.

boyledsweetie

20:24

RT @ukedchat: If you are commenting about the #ukedchat discussion, please remember to include '#ukedchat' in your tweet, so all can see in the stream

nancyrubin

20:24

Reflective Journals http://t.co/gUio9oJ #ukedchat

hairbyslice

20:24

#ukedchat Less teacher talk, More open questions. Ch thinking, discussing and listening to each.

passionateaboot

20:24

@colport #ukedchat Passion taken too far can also be annoying - it's being mindful of when and where passion is appropriate

stuckonhomework

20:24

when children start to learn independently they become more confident, and therefore enjoy the learning process more #ukedchat

KempsterD

20:24

@Future_Schools No it doesn't

#ukedchat

 

SusanElkinJourn

20:24

#ukedchat Is independent reading - and the need to work hard at promoting it in schools - a key part of independent learning? #ukedchat

LeeMarkDavies

20:24

@grokbox: “@LeeMarkDavies: I disagree, I have millions of teachers" ~ no, you have lots of people you learn from - not same #ukedchat

Mean_Teacher

20:24

RT @mummynotyummy: #ukedchat A child can only organise and develop their own learning (ie independent learner) if their environment allows them to do so.

ICTmagic

20:24

@calie77 Of course. We all have and do. But the intention should be there and happen as often as possible. #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:24

@ICTmagic Not everyone is up and running with blogs, wikis & twitter - how do we encourage schools that this is the way forward? #ukedchat

wjputt

20:24

@colport Teachers as learning 'enablers' #ukedchat

Educationchat

20:24

@CreativeEdu Absolutely not! Being independent means knowing strengths and weaknesses and when we need support/help! #ukedchat

   

@KempsterD GCSEs students just expect you to do it for them!

Mean_Teacher

20:24

They don't want to think for themselves #ukedchat

mega generalisation!!

colport

20:24

@duckinwales Take a deep breath

good

luck! #ukedchat

CliveSir

20:24

Encouraging curiosity in the child encourages learning, independent or otherwise #ukedchat

andywhiteway

20:25

#ukedchat not convinced VLE=IL. Surely we've still made a large part of the resource(s)? Let them make it: wikis, blogs etc

hairysporran

20:25

try to limit teacher talk to 5 min at the start of a 1hr lesson. it works #ukedchat but you need to do it most lessons

ElKel99

20:25

@hairysporran I like that, it creates a buzz about learning #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? bucharesttutor 20:25 @bevevans22 @ICTmagic Make ICT a

bucharesttutor

20:25

@bevevans22 @ICTmagic Make ICT a compulsory subject right from the Year 1 and stress on the advantage called technology #ukedchat

SimonBainbridge

20:25

#ukedchat does your pupose built VLE really work for you?? Or is it just too damn difficult to use? Ive not seen a decent VLE yet!

Mean_Teacher

20:25

me too for about 80% of pupils! Sorry it should have been a question not a statement @mattharding007 #ukedchat

In2schools

20:25

@Mean_Teacher @KempsterD By the time they get to GCSEs they

have been taught to expect that

Agree? #ukedchat

MrAColley

20:25

#ukedchat Since starting work, I've often had to learn 'just in time'. In school we learn 'just in case' - hard to see the relevance.

tim7168

20:25

Agree > RT @CliveSir: Encouraging curiosity in the child encourages learning, independent or otherwise #ukedchat

Creativeedu

20:25

@frogphilp Thank you - sounds fab. i will read it fully tomorrow when my eyes have stopped bleeding! #UKEdChat

jimjudges

20:25

agree with @passionateaboot llearners need to understand more about the learning process - less focus on content #ukedchat

Sophisimus

20:25

Year 10 reminded me of this when chat at end of lesson revealed how much they prefered researching context for poems themselves #ukedchat

ZafAslam

20:25

Teachers are under pressure to get students through exams, independent learning can seem a risk, resulting in spoon feeding? #ukedchat

colport

20:25

@passionateaboot Point taken! One of my daughters teachers has a teacher who is passionate about sand! Kids 'don't get it'! #ukedchat!

sharland

20:25

#ukedchat interesting seeing these rather enhanced definitions - independent learning is just simply the ability to learn independently

Calie77

20:25

@bevevans22 @calie77 #ukedchat A great talk :) Do you mind if I share this with colleagues?

rogerbilling

20:25

RT @stuckonhomework: when children start to learn independently they become more confident, and therefore enjoy the learning process more #ukedchat

innerquest

20:26

Self directed learning only happens if you're aware of where you are and need to go, are children that aware? #ukedchat

ICTmagic

20:26

@bevevans22 I have a beginner guide to Wikispaces at http://bit.ly/ICT_magic, but teachers/kids need guidance from people like us. #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:26

@ZafAslam Definitely. Passing exams does not equal education. #ukedchat

ginsterginster

20:26

@Creativeedu #UKEdChat check out http://t.co/KyTQlqE great views on supporting independent learning

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? Cherise_Duxbury 20:26 #ukedchat more opportunities for

Cherise_Duxbury

20:26

#ukedchat more opportunities for children to explain their own thinking and understanding

JOHNSAYERS

20:26

“@MrAColley: #ukedchat Learning needs a real consequence/result to foster real independence.―I assess skills rather than content 3 units

Natty08

20:26

Some children don't know how to listen, we need to teach it. They have to be able to listen to work with others! #ukedchat

passionateaboot

20:26

@Mummynotyummy #ukedchat How do you encourage risk and innovation?

nellmog

20:26

@passionateaboot personally I think it would be naive to teach students there is no failure. Dealing with it is an important skill #ukedchat

bevevans22

20:26

RT @Mr_D_Cheng: Our BTEC learners are a lot moreindependant than GCSE #ukedchat - Why do you say that? Can you back that up?

Calie77

20:26

@bevevans22 @ictmagic #ukedchat Across Lancs County Council, any networking sites are blocked. Shame :-/

mattharding007

20:26

RT @hairbyslice #ukedchat Less teacher talk, More open questions. Ch thinking, discussing and listening to each. <--and teachers shutting up

colport

20:26

How does independent learning impact pupils with SEN, or G&T? #ukedchat

ElKel99

20:26

@hairysporran @rashush2 why not teach one class then get them to teach the others #ukedchat

cherrylkd

20:26

@bucharesttutor @bevevans22. #ukedchat. Try again. So you mean like AfL? Peer assessment and self assessment. Ind + feedback?

Creativeedu

20:26

@squiggle7 @twfall should enable a chat function that automatically adds #UKEdChat or the relevant hashtag

squiggle7

20:26

@catmill #ukedchat usually use tweetchat but was too fast so switched to tweetdeck but it doesn't do it and I keep forgetting

rogerbilling

20:26

Need to take that risk, supported by strong leaders, then people will see the benefits #ukedchat @ZafAslam

Mr_D_Cheng

20:26

Our BTEC learners are a lot moreindependant than GCSE #ukedchat

StaffsGA

20:26

#ukedchat How do develop independent thinkers. Those that challenge and will not accept blindness to anything?

passionateaboot

20:26

@mbrayford #ukedchat Is it the children that need an end product? Travelling can be just as satisfying as arriving, when u learn about self

bevevans22

20:26

So, creating independent learners is something we're passionate about. What can we implement in class to assist with this? #ukedchat ideas?

Maireths

20:26

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat but part of being indep is knowing when & how to get help

JOHNSAYERS

20:26

RT @MrAColley: #ukedchat Learning needs a real consequence/result to foster real independence.

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? sharland 20:26 #ukedchat but i do agree

sharland

20:26

#ukedchat but i do agree - the issue is how to promote independent learning not what it is

innerquest

20:26

#ukedchat Children need pedagogy, adults need andragogy

wjputt

20:26

#ukedchat To be an independent learner one has to honest abt one's failures and inadequacies. Takes maturity, confidence & resilience.

rogerbilling

20:27

I agree, we need to teach the skills and demonstrate them ourselves with staff in school #ukedchat @Natty08

smurfatik

20:27

@KempsterD agree, wrkn on own is not same thing. I am currently independently learning by sharing ideas in a group #ukedchat

Future_Schools

20:27

@KempsterD Fronter is pretty crap but all I'm allowed to use at school, kids uploading content and accessing great stuff #ukedchat

KempsterD

20:27

@In2schools @Mean_Teacher Yes. By the time they at GCSE they have had most of their independence quashed. Is this social control? #ukedchat

BenRogersOVA

20:27

@rogerbilling @ZafAslam #ukedchat The evidence backs you up. Hattie shows this type of learning dramatically improves grades.

G_for_Gemma

20:27

Tehe indeed RT @ElKel99 @G_for_Gemma shhh, don't mention the 'c' word #Gove banned it #ukedchat

stuartaris

20:27

Outside of school children continue to be independent learners, is it possible to replicate in school? Surely so? #ukedchat

Mean_Teacher

20:27

@BenRogersOVA excellent, here to create interesting discussion #ukedchat

frogphilp

20:27

@colport It's easier to provide opportunities for G&T children to be independent within standard school settings #ukedchat

CliveBuckley

20:27

I RT before: RT @teachgr: Classic. Today I did a lot of teaching but my students did very little learning. Must talk less. #ukedchat

ICTmagic

20:27

@bucharesttutor That would help. (and give me lots of overtime!) :) #ukedchat

cardiffscience

20:27

RT @wjputt: #ukedchat To be independent l'r one has to honest abt one's failures and inadequacies. Takes maturity, confidence & resilience.

SimonBainbridge

20:27

#ukedchat Independant learning means getting out of the classroom and learning anywhere with the guidance of inspiring teachers!

twolifetimes

20:27

@Reid_Robert Is it then a question of pushing them out of their comfort zone and providing a safety net if they need it? #ukedchat

squiggle7

20:27

@CreativeEdu thanks will look for next week #ukedchat

hairbyslice

20:27

@BenRogersOVA Agreed! Especially when someone is observing! #ukedchat

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12 May 2011 Independent Learning Is it really Achievable? tim7168 20:27 RT @Natty08: Some children don't

tim7168

20:27

RT @Natty08: Some children don't know how to listen, we need to teach it. They have to be able to listen to work with others! #ukedchat

jimjudges

20:27

@SimonBainbridge you need Moodle!? #ukedchat

MrAColley

20:27

@bevevans22 #ukedchat Don't finish their answers for them! Questioning is our most powerful technique.

rjpritchard

20:27

@BenRogersOVA #ukedchat how hard did we try? Needs to be a whole shift in how schools educate; not easy, but not impossible surely?

bevevans22

20:27

RT @cherrylkd: @bucharesttutor @bevevans22. #ukedchat. So you mean like AfL? Peer assessment and self assessment. Ind + feedback? - yes

bevevans22

20:28

RT @Natty08: We have to be role models and teach children what is good to say, this will lead to it naturally #ukedchat - agreed

innerquest

20:28

Exposure to more content in VLEs is not independent learning, it's just exposure to more content in VLEs #ukedchat

In2schools

20:28

@MrAColley If there was relevance that would mean a complete restructuring of schooling, not such a bad thing? #ukedchat

tim7168

20:28

@deerwood Very good point, easy to conflate them. #ukedchat

   

@deerwood ha ha! no just what #UKEdChat does to my eyes ;-) It

Creativeedu

20:28

really isn't very good for me I don't think wine!

or maybe it's just the

colport

20:28

RT @hairysporran: @colport given the right tasks and the right tools SEN/GT pupils find independent learning the most rewarding #ukedchat

CliveSir