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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011 username ikeontoast time 19:59 status

Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

#ukedchat if everyone in #ukedchat clicks #poems4players tonight and RTs the big tweet my kids might just get a comment :) Welcome everyone to tonight's #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible? Good food channel is on here for #ukedchat Heck to be honest it is usually on! I am joining in tonight as this is what caused me problems today in my lesson obs One answer is they're flying already. Teachers are trying to scramble into the cockpit hoping to nudge the joystick occasionally #ukedchat It's 8pm. Over to @bevevans22 hosting #ukedchat today. "How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?" RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat, with all the technology available there has never been a better time to foster independent learners and learning. Just to start, children come to schools as independent learners, and the education system stifles it!!! #ukedchat #ukedchat, with all the technology available there has never been a better time to foster independent learners and learning. Yes, it is possible. But the joy of learning must come first. #ukedchat So, what do you all think? Anyone have some ideas they'd like to kick off with. Please remember to use the #ukedchat hashtag PLEs: Creating User-Centric Learning Environments http://t.co/wuhnyvm #ukedchat I'd like to ask, is it good to be an independent learner, isn't collaboration and cooperation better? #ukedchat desire to learn, safe space to fail and wander up a few blind alleys. oh and boredom#ukedchat @bevevans22 When children start school (aged 3/4/5) they are curious, natural independent learners. Schools can stifle this #ukedchat we need to start showing pupils how to learn not what to learn the rest will follow #ukedchat lots of staff at my school forget this What is meant by an independent learner? #ukedchat @ukedchat surely we all need to depend on others every day in our adult life, so not totally independent ourselves. to clarify are we talking just in the classroom or as a lifeskill? #UKEdChat RT @Mean_Teacher: @deerwood a mixture of all three is even better! #ukedchat

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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011

Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

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@bevevans22 #ukedchat I have started "self-directed learning" time - children can choose anything educational they would like to work on ok, using twitterfall for first time #ukedchat, hope this works @colport I quite agree. We can learn a lot from early years. #ukedchat #ukedchat Teach children skills & give them opportunities to apply them independently. DON'T teach them pure facts! R U listening Mr Gove? IMO, learning to listen, to understand other point of view, is first step to independence #ukedchat good question @deerwood is collaboration or independent learning better? #UKEdChat < I'd say you need both RT @colport: Just to start, children come to schools as independent learners, and the education system stifles it!!! #ukedchat < EXPLAIN! I'm interested to see what others say, I am quite mean in class and never help them first time round! Sometimes second time! #ukedchat @Reid_Robert please do contribute ! :) #ukedchat @colport totally agree with that one, target led education doesn't leave room for pupils to think for themselves #ukedchat Is 'truly independent' learning some kind of utopia? Eventually adults come to realise collective learning more powerful #ukedchat #ukedchat in Wales we have the Foundation Phase with child initiated learning. But is child initiated the same as independent learning? @ukedchat therefore an independent learner is the skill to find or source information... #ukedchat obvious point - give children time & support to fail & learn from mistakes/share what they found out #ukedchat obvious point - give children time & support to fail & learn from mistakes/share what they found out It's possible, but made very difficult by the whole results driven culture of education. #ukedchat It's possible, but made very difficult by the whole results driven culture of education. #ukedchat @Natty08 I often do the same 'no questions for the next 8mins' #ukedchat desire to learn, safe space to fail and wander up a few blind alleys. oh and boredom #ukedchat #ukedchat chn I know are already ind. Learners - what they're learning and what tchr is hoping they will learn is not always same tho Does independent learning mean learning without a teacher or without peers as well? #ukedchat

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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011

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Can collaborative learning lead to independent learning? #ukedchat RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat I have started "self-directed learning" time-children can choose anything educational they would like to work on RT @colport: Just to start, children come to schools as independent learners, and the education system stifles it!!! #ukedchat RT @hairysporran: we need to start showing pupils how to learn not what to learn the rest will follow #ukedchat lots of staff at my school forget this @colport I have to agree, think Foundation stage ideas need to be promoted throughout @epaceonline technology should help but can it also hinder e.g. Google has the answer so why think? are learners critical users? #ukedchat #ukedchat children in my class know I would sooner they try than them come to me! Obviously I do help but collaboration is encouraged first RT @bevevans22: Welcome everyone to tonight's #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible? RT @bevevans22: Welcome everyone to tonight's #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible? @colport What about the child who independently decides they have no wish to learn to read/write/count? #ukedchat #ukedchat surely we all need to depend on others every day in our adult life, so not totally independent ourselves. RT @geraldhaigh1: @bevevans22 @colport That's largely true, sadly. The aim for the teacher is to nurture without stifling and that's difficult #ukedchat RT @republicofmath: IMO, learning to listen, to understand other point of view, is first step to independence #ukedchat #ukedchat Encouraging children to ask big questions in class is always a good start #ukedchat I have lessons where questions of me are banned. They have to ask each other, books and internet ect #ukedchat Think it's about opening doors and giving kids a shove. Introducing what they wouldn't (maybe) otherwise find eg classical music @geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat How do you achieve the correct balance that will make our learners independent? @deerwood you can be independent and collaborate; you bring your original ideas to the group #ukedchat @ZoeRoss19 @KnikiDavies #ukedchat looking to start self directed learning too

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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011

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@colport #ukedchat Agree. We do this from the off by putting them straight into groups for playing. If learners become (?) independent learners, what happens to the role of the teacher? #ukedchat In their books they make a note of who helped them with what bits. It is amazing who they value to help. #ukedchat #ukedchat Involving children in planning, provision planning & setting challenges etc keeps them interested & gives them the 1/2 does anyone have good examples of independent learning at primary / secondary - seems EYFS has it licked! #UKEdChat RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat in Wales we have the Foundation Phase with child initiated learning. But is child initiated the same as independent learning? show the pupils where you want them to go and give them the tools. they find their own way. you guide. #ukedchat RT @ElKel99: @colport totally agree with that one, target led education doesn't leave room for pupils to think for themselves #ukedchat @bevevans22 @colport That's largely true, sadly. The aim for the teacher is to nurture without stifling and that's difficult #ukedchat RT @ldeacon: Can collaborative learning lead to independent learning? #ukedchat <definitely! Sometimes if they ask a question I tell them I don't know and ask them to find out for me, they love that I don't know everything #ukedchat Blogging is an individual activity with opp to collaborate using comments for feedback and peer review - need to foster both #ukedchat Encourage curiosity. Model curiosity. #ukedchat #ukedchat Maybe someone could define what they would judge to be independent learning? Do we all think the same thing? RT @ukedchat: Tonight's #ukedchat topic "How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?" - 10 minutes Don't forget it's '#ukedchat now. @calie77 Reminds me of a song "as soon as I could talk, I was told to listen", or something like that #ukedchat #ukedchat to be independent means giving children options, support and the ability to succeed and more importantly, fail. RT @LeeMarkDavies: I can't learn on my own - I need others to aid my reflection and maintain my motivation #ukedchat @deerwood Role of teacher is to define socio-cultural context for learning in and provide scaffolding for learning - see Vygotsky #ukedchat Page 4 of 63

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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011

Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

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RT @ngflcymru: @timrylands just agreed to let us broadcast his presentation live tomorrow at #ICT4Ed in #cardiff 8.45 here http://bit.ly/c4nLoV #ukedchat @timrylands just agreed to let us broadcast his presentation live tomorrow at #ICT4Ed in #cardiff 8.45 here http://bit.ly/c4nLoV #ukedchat RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Independent learning often means giving ch a choice. Sometimes in the method of finding out, sometimes in method of recording. A lot of it depends on our definition of independent learning as others have said. I'm not 100% clear on this - ideas? #UKEdChat We plan all topics after asking children what they already know and what questions they have #ukedchat @cherrylkd We 'guide' their decisions to suit us (the educators) #ukedchat #ukedchat Independent learning often means giving ch a choice. Sometimes in the method of finding out, sometimes in method of recording. I can't learn on my own - I need others to aid my reflection and maintain my motivation #ukedchat RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Also think independent means collaborative not solitary! < agreed! RT @republicofmath: IMO, learning to listen, to understand other point of view, is first step to independence #ukedchat Teachers are there to facilitate learning. To ensure that students make progress #ukedchat Hearing about www.super-school.co.uk at #tmleeds Shame we're now being eclipsed by #ukedchat Tech Lessons - Blog Ideas http://t.co/ZCzjVB7 #ukedchat RT @craftyslh: Don't forget it's '#ukedchat now. #ukedchat @bevevans22 @colport I think they lose that magical 'Why?' Maybe we train them to listen more than we encourage them to question. RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat Maybe someone could define what they would judge to be independent learning? Do we all think the same thing? #ukedchat Also think independent means collaborative not solitary! @tim7168 I am talking about formative years, mainly, at the moment. #ukedchat We teach them the skills of researching and note taking and they direct their own learning to a certain extent #ukedchat @theokk excellent point, and I suspect you may have your own interpretation of any answer or outcome. #ukedchat #ukedchat 2/2 opportunity to learn in way that suits them! We know nxt steps so can provide further opp's for them from their starting point Page 5 of 63

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#ukedchat Archive 12 May 2011

Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

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RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat to be independent means giving children options, support and the ability to succeed and more importantly, fail. #ukedchat therefore an independent learner is the skill to find or source information... Of course, it would help if the school assessment/test system that was sympathetic to independent thinking and learning. Oh well. #ukedchat @colport wish I knew how to do it though, so difficult with so many curriculum constraints #ukedchat @mbrayford @ZoeRoss19 #ukedchat I want them to write a goal of what they want to get better at and steps to get there to keep them focused Being able to think for yourself is such an important skill in secondary too-it's hard to develop & often needs a culture shift! #ukedchat This term they are all researching a different area of our topic and then we'll put together everything in a class museum #ukedchat Independent Learning: "…the ability to take charge of one’s learning" #UKEdChat A lack of clarity about the meaning of the term. In a sense every learner is an independent constructor of their own reality. #ukedchat @squiggle7 I was reminded of the Rose Report today....now that promised such opportunities IMHO #ukedchat RT @dughall: Hearing about www.super-school.co.uk at #tmleeds Shame we're now being eclipsed by #ukedchat Most are digital natives now, masses of technology, put it in their hand and off they go on voyage of discovery #ukedchat @calie77 I presented about that at a TmeachMeet http://bit.ly/e9i5gE #ukedchat We also follow http://www.buildinglearningpower.co.uk/ ideas it leads to independence and collaboration #ukedchat #ukedchat I would define independent does mean giving children options, tackling a task applying skills. Success and learning from failure @LeeMarkDavies #ukedchat at the start they have to be independent so we know they understand for themselves. Not just copying others RT @hairysporran: we need to start showing pupils how to learn not what to learn the rest will follow #ukedchat <- here here! Students shd learn independently sometimes, but if they ignored the power of teacher guidance completely it would be a loss #ukedchat

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Independent learner: autonomous, able to look ahead and learn from failure as much as success #ukedchat RT @ICTmagic: Of course, it would help if the school assessment/test system that was sympathetic to independent thinking and learning. Oh well. #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat Maybe someone could define what they would judge to be independent learning? Do we all think the same thing? @deerwood teacher is the guide #ukedchat @passionateaboot yes, yes, yes #ukedchat @Natty08 like the idea of making a note :) #ukedchat @LeeMarkDavies And that is exactly what the teacher's role should be! #ukedchat RT @passionateaboot: @colport so is the challenge for teachers to maintain that thirst and desire? #UKedchat #tmleeds Will be mentioning #ukedchat in my pres to come at Teachmeet Leeds-can we pause till I've done @colport ;^) #ukedchat how do you give chn the motivation to learn independently, even if what they're learning is teacher directed? Interested to see how 'digital' fits into #ukedchat discussion tonight #ukedchat definitely needs a culture shift. Children find it difficult to deal with failure. Isn't this part of the learning? Bigest issue I have is fixed mindset children. They are scared to work on their own and get it wrong! #ukedchat @ElKel99 @colport #ukedchat We were having this conversation last night at cpd. Could it be that awards and merits reduce motivation? RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat I want them to write a goal of what they want to get better at and steps to get there to keep them focused “@hairbyslice: #ukedchat Also think independent means collaborative not solitary!― the opposite - learn best on my I'm own - all different! @bevevans22 #ukedchat Simply the ability to learn surely? Isn't all learning independent in a sense? No one can force someone else to learn. Wiki Webliographies http://t.co/h8fYgGh #ukedchat - new format for annotated bibs @colport so is the challenge for teachers to maintain that thirst and desire? #ukedchat How can you involve students in group work if they are going to learn independently. There must be times when they work together. #ukedchat @deerwood possibly an even more important role, helping them learn, rather than feeding them stuff for recall #ukedchat

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RT @Natty08: Bigest issue I have is fixed mindset children. They are scared to work on their own and get it wrong! #ukedchat <- Me too! RT @mbrayford: #ukedchat definitely needs a culture shift. Children find it difficult to deal with failure. Isn't this part of the learning? IL means learning without a teacher. If we have failed to teach children to learn independently we have failed to teach them. #ukedchat eJournal Ideas for Teachers http://t.co/sEAxnE5 #ukedchat #ukedchat , learning to deal with failure and making mistakes very important. Knowing what to do when you don't know what to do #ukedchat giving students pride and a point to their learning always worked well for me RT @mamaleahita: RT @RedTedArt Easy Kids Crafts: Pinwheel.... http://bit.ly/mtpe9L #crafts #kids #ukedchat <<thank you, you are lovely!! RT @cherrylkd: @Future_Schools #ukedchat. Good idea. Independent learning followed by collaboration. - That sounds like a plan We don't label by ability, children select the challenge they feel confident with-building their own understanding of themselves #ukedchat @tim7168 @colport all children want to learn, some are just turned off by bad experiences #ukedchat RT @RedTedArt Easy Kids Crafts: Pinwheel.... http://bit.ly/mtpe9L #crafts #kids #teachpreschool #ukedchat #ukedchat Has anyone got any tried and tested methods they think help pupils become independent learners? Please share #ukedchat To be Independent kids need to have internalised conceptual frameworks in order to process info/data etc #ukedchat @colport And what are some of the fantastic examples out there of how teachers are keeping that autonomous momentum up #ukedchat I think it depends what learning is. Isn't all learning independent? I can't learn X for you, you need to learn it yourself #ukedchat @Future_Schools #ukedchat. Good idea. Independent learning followed by collaboration. @colport @geraldhaigh1 @ictmagic @squiggle7 we can all learn from it #ukedchat and, of course, there is no place for a teacher in truly independent learning #becarefulwhatyouwishfor #ukedchat @colport @geraldhaigh1 @ictmagic @squiggle7 we can all learn from it #ukedchat Page 8 of 63

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Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

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and, of course, there is no place for a teacher in truly independent learning #becarefulwhatyouwishfor #ukedchat @jimjudges agreed , encouraging critical thinking skills should sit alongside indep learning, pupils need to learn how to sift info#ukedchat Independent learning isn't the same as learning on your own. #ukedchat Giving kids choices and helping them find what they are good at as well as trying new things leads to independence #ukedchat Vygotsky wud suggest that all learning is a social & a teacher is needed to mediate learning #ukedchat @Creativeedu @mbrayford Theres no such thing as failure, only feedback #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory Oh, no no no! See #ukedchat in full swing now all folks at #tmleeds It will make Julian's presentation very easy ;-) #ukedchat Children come into FStage with a thirst for knowledge! What can we do to ensure this continues? #ukedchat independent learning = learners having a degree of control over planning, content, pace, method & outcome of learning? Does independent mean above and beyond? #ukedchat #ukedchat To me independent learner means interested in learning and keen to explore and find out at home as well as school #ukedchat Introduced one of my schools to Posterous.com today and they loved it! To help independant learning and collaboration. @ukedchat I found that the montessori method encourages independent learning. @rogerbilling Unfortunately, labelling by ability still happens #ukedchat It's something I hate. The teacher's essential. But the teacher has to be sensitive that each child is putting learning together in their own way. #ukedchat @ukedchat we're talking about eduction on our tweetUp Thurs til 9pm...our teacher @Crewepartner says promote self awareness in children @hairysporran @calie77 they should. But I do think that somewhere the emphasis falls on listening more. #ukedchat @sfrench21 I'm sorry - but teaching and 'facilitating learning' very different - a hole in the wall machine facilitates banking #ukedchat #ukedchat knowing that sometimes they are finding things out/learning stuff before other people. A relevance I suppose

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#ukedchat MILE Awards (Making Independent Learning Exciting) is a project a cluster of schools in Bolton has set up. Fabulous work going on. @BenRogersOVA For certain pupils, yes! #ukedchat @cherrylkd And they're actually working in 'research pairs' (mixed ability)! Working very well indeed. #ukedchat Missed the start - maybe this has been said previously. Should the teacher be facilitator, a role for social constructivism? #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA Awards increase extrinsic motivation, but decrease intrinsic motivation. #ukedchat @KnikiDavies @bevevans22 #UKedchat who determines what's educational? RT @chickensaltash: Guest blog post by students: What is games based blogging? - want to get involved? #ukedchat http://bit.ly/mhKQTe @bevevans22 + they all have a goal because their work will have high status in class museum (visited by rest of school, parents) #ukedchat RT @colport: @BenRogersOVA For certain pupils, yes! #ukedchat Young Enterprise was a turning point for me growing up in terms of becoming an independent and motivated learner #UKEdChat @SusanElkinJourn Independence is almost the same as creativity you can't define something by what it is not #ukedchat @Natty08 @squiggle7 but is it just about end product? Isn't independent learning more about the process? #ukedchat @ElKel99 @tim7168 and expectations of parents? #ukedchat @danandrs 100% agree #ukedchat #ukedchat have found giving groups collaborative access to website sharing via diigo also builds indep. @bevevans22 @calie77 That's a fantastic link. Thanks! I'm just listening now :) #ukedchat ICTmagic joy of learning central, opening eyes, developing minds and encouraging independent thinking #ukedchat I also award those who go over and beyond and look at things in their own time. They know I value it #ukedchat RT @BenRogersOVA: @ElKel99 @colport #ukedchat We were having this conversation last night at cpd. Could it be that awards and merits reduce motivation? RT @SusanElkinJourn: Independent learning isn't the same as learning on your own. #ukedchat - can you explain the difference? RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat Teach children skills & give them opportunities to apply them independently. DON'T teach them pure facts! R U listening Mr Gove? I am independently learning in this conversation #ukedchat Page 10 of 63

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#ukedchat agree they need an end product or an audience that isn't just their teacher. Have posted this before but worth watching - My PLE 7th grader http://youtu.be/YEls3tq5wIY #ukedchat @bevevans22 Must make sure independent learning is central throughout the whole school or there is a lot of things to un-teach. #ukedchat @CliveBuckley I have heard the word "mediator" used: the tchr has to mediate between the new material & the student for indpt lrns #ukedchat More trust = more independence...I observed this in 2 lessons today #ukedchat @Digital_Blonde #ukedchat Digital fits in by providing visual thinking templates to facilitate & stimulate conceptual & big pic thinking RT @ianaddison: What is #ukedchat? Let my blog post explain it for you http://t.co/4Oww2PW RT @SusanElkinJourn: Learning can (& should) be teacher-led but the child brings independence - and individuality - to it. #ukedchat we should all be independent lifelong learners #ukedchat #ukedchat In maths chn choose group to work with according to their confidence with that topic. Ts supporting Ps to ask their own questions, solve problems & recognise how to improve. #ukedchat Learning can (& should) be teacher-led but the child brings independence - and individuality - to it. #ukedchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat Allocating 'Why' and 'How' time into a lesson; giving the students time to evaluate. Good pair or group work. @colport @edkel99 or lack thereof.. #ukedchat The Innovative Educator: Student Driven Learning = Passion-Based Classrooms... http://t.co/dqUWNMf #ukedchat “@SusanElkinJourn: @bevevans22 #ukedchat Simply the ability to learn surely?" <- Ability to learn and having confidence that they can @squiggle7 @deerwood A clear end product and TIME limit allows for them to do the process, hope that makes sense? #ukedchat RT @frogphilp: @SusanElkinJourn Independence is almost the same as creativity - you can't define something by what it is not #ukedchat @Digital_Blonde good question about how digital fits? Software can close down enquiry and life is messier than a database #ukedchat @davidhunter #ukedchat but can that always be done? eg doing ancient greeks at the mo, not all may like but still have to do

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I am continually learning how to learn as I continually learn how to teach (better) - when did I become independent? #ukedchat RT @Creativeedu: Young Enterprise was a turning point for me growing up in terms of becoming an independent and motivated learner #UKEdChat #ukedchat ICT tools and services need to be easy to use or Students and Teachers just wont use them enough to benefit learning! #ukedchat need to take away crutches, chunk less and make learning tasks more challenging In Primary isn't independent learning all about letting loose and getting the children to 'play' at something?? #ukedchat @tim7168 #UKedchat show me that child I cannot take credit for this- sec maths 2promote indpt learninglaptops & headphones in pairs +links construction videos.... #ukedchat is an independent learner not the child who takes an idea from class + continues to learn about it when they get out the door? #ukedchat @mbrayford Do they need an end product or is it about the journey? #ukedchat Most important part of my job is to teach them the skills they need to learn independently. #ukedchat I dont think that that children wrkn independently means them wrkn on their own. It's abt having confidence in their own learning. #ukedchat A reminder to anyone just joining us: we;re discussing how to make children independent learners- please join in with any thoughts #ukedchat @deepexperience1 @hairbyslice. #ukedchat So would it be best to find their personal way of learning before determining ind or group work? Independent learning, to me., means that children have the skills, confidence and competence to tackle prblems and tasks #ukedchat @craftyslh independent does not mean alone in my book, it means not being spoonfed by teacher and learning collaboratively #ukedchat Please remember to use the #ukedchat hashtag in your tweets - it makes it easier for all to follow #ukedchat G Claxton would argue they need to be encouraged to tolerate the feelings of being 'stuck' so they can work out how to move on We are hearing of more schools not grouping, need to keep up the profile! #ukedchat @bevevans22 @Natty08 @deerwood #ukedchat mine today had time limits and did get to end product but didn't progress as much as should cos not independent Page 12 of 63

SimonBainbridge cardiffscience GaryAveryICT mikeatedji sfrench21

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ElKel99 passionateaboot Future_Schools KempsterD

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bevevans22

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ElKel99 bevevans22 cardiffscience rogerbilling squiggle7

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dukkhaboy

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cherrylkd Creativeedu sfrench21 passionateaboot G_for_Gemma LeeMarkDavies frogphilp

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i think i did independent learning when i was at school only it was called project work then #samedogonlywashed #ukedchat @Future_Schools: RT Most important part of my job is to teach them the skills they need to learn independently. #ukedchat < agreed. Tip to newbies to #UKEdChat if you see an interesting link, favourite it now and read it later so you can keep up! .... Students follow videos online. Can replay as many times as want = differentiation and independence. #ukedchat @malcolmbellamy #ukedchat leading to independent decision makers @ElKel99 Yup have tried question cards. But I do find plunging them into complete no q's is fun for us all - initiates creativity #ukedchat @malcolmbellamy not so - you are dependant on the conversation and those contributing to it #ukedchat Keep part to teach children to be independent is to give them opportunities to co-construct their learning with their adults #ukedchat Hard to foster independent learning if it doesn't happen across whole school. Remains the exception rather than the norm #ukedchat #ukedchat Giving ch the ability to learn and discover without simply being fed the facts? @tim7168 @edkel99 Sadly, yes! #ukedchat What they learn from their own investigations is more important than something they've been taught...isn't it? #ukedchat independence means freedom to follow our own pathways #ukedchat Created independent learning in #physed by using cooperative learning over a six year period#ukedchat Teachers provide the scaffolding not the building #ukedchat @KempsterD I like that definition of it. Getting on and working something out without an adult giving the answer. #ukedchat @ICTmagic Agreed - a whole school policy is key. Everyone should involved in helping to create independent learners #ukedchat then let them explore those objectives and bring it back at the end?... #ukedchat @calie77 Are we talking about thinking time here? No hands up? Time for reflection? All good in their way #ukedchat #ukedchat isn't it those 'deep' learning experiences that can prov. most IL opportunities? (trips, visiting other schools, big projects)

Reid_Robert hairbyslice colport GaryAveryICT malcolmbellamy DrAshCasey CliveBuckley hrogerson

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deerwood

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ukedchat

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Catriona_O

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nellmog

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asober nancyrubin passionateaboot frogphilp

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@squiggle7 @Natty08 okay, so is this a difficulty that, as often case, more able become independent learners before peers? #ukedchat If you are commenting about the #ukedchat discussion, please remember to include '#ukedchat' in your tweet, so all can see in the stream #ukedchat surely the 1 thng we need 2do if YP are 2become independent learners is 2reliquish the fallacy of tchr as point zero of knowledge? I think that sometimes there is a fear to allow students some independence as they may fail but this is a valuable lesson to learn #ukedchat Plan. learn. goals with learners could b good way towards ind learning, e.g. "what do we need to learn to solve this problem?"... #ukedchat Flip Your Classroom With Vodcasts and Podcasts http://t.co/B37AaU9 #ukedchat #flipclass #ukedchat To be an independent learner do they need to know about self? How do they do that? @CliveBuckley Agree - but two types of scaffolding: negotiated and rigid - I mention them in this post http://bit.ly/gycJLx #ukedchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat I did OU as an independen learner but was one of a community of students. Learning led and supported by tutors etc. #ukedchat #ukedchat I think that teaching skills to help students deal with their perception of failure is v important (thnx epaceonline) @squiggle7 re motivation to learn u need to give em books specifically tailored to their interests tohelp em read for themselves #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley: Teachers provide the scaffolding not the building #ukedchat <ooh that's fabulous. You're clearly going for the RT factor! Can't find way to join in UKEdChat but wanted to say must TRUST the kids and let them go. It's about the relationship - teacher & kids. @GaryAveryICT #ukedchat They certainly learn a great deal through play at that age - is it true as they get older? I love practical learning what are the qualities of a truly independent learner #ukedchat @bevevans22 In a group of, say, six kids working togther each is independently learning something different. #ukedchat @SusanElkinJourn Thank you - I thought that was what you were suggesting - just wanted to clarify #ukedchat #ukedchat Maybe now SATS are over children can start to learn useful skills to become independent learners and not regurgitators of facts! Page 14 of 63

SusanElkinJourn

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eponymousdrums

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davidhunter

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rosBIGWRITING

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passionateaboot jonburdon SusanElkinJourn bevevans22 mattharding007

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Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

ICTmagic tim7168 tedcurran rogerbilling frogphilp Creativeedu

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Our society is rick/failure adverse & this has been brought into sch. Kids need to learn to 'try, fail & improve' to move on. #ukedchat @sfrench21 Have you seen Salman Khan on videos as an educational tool on TED? Will try to find link. #ukedchat RT @nancyrubin: Flip Your Classroom With Vodcasts and Podcasts http://t.co/B37AaU9 #ukedchat #flipclass Brilliant, great to hear - it works so well and helps children understand where they are! #ukedchat @hoopers1 @Reid_Robert Agree - it's to be a drive from everybody within the school - part of the shared vision. #ukedchat Isn't independence something we aspire to as children,then grow out of as we learn to collaborate as adults? #UKEdChat @BenRogersOVA #ukedchat its the old extrinsic v intrinsic reward.better to try and associate learning with good times and fun RT @squiggle7: #ukedchat my prob is more able less don't have cooperation skills to work independently! - Easier if you start them young My children do a lot of independent work - my EAL children are the best at it #ukedchat @Natty08 @deerwood #ukedchat but how much practise should it take? Mine have been practising all year and still can't do it :( Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat @CreativeEdu Independence is key to collaboration. You've got to have a sense of identity and purpose to collaborate effectively #ukedchat @nancyrubin #ukedchat Passion based classrooms - based on who's passion? Wow fast tonight! #ukedchat RE http://bit.ly/lgswNo You're right. Building independence means giving pupils opportunities to fail. Have time to reflect. #ukedchat RT @Creativeedu: RT @CliveBuckley: Teachers provide the scaffolding not the building #ukedchat <ooh that's fabulous. You're clearly going for the RT factor! RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Maybe now SATS are over children can start to learn useful skills to become independent learners and not regurgitators of facts! #ukedchat students get training from oracle students G&T for the process as well to work on teamwork PLTs #ukedchat apply their thinking box skills developed through the year and create their own enquiry Qs on NEnews we assess use of thinking box @CreativeEdu don't think so, as @theokk says you can be an independent learner within collaboration by bringing your own views #ukedchat Page 15 of 63

davidhunter

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bevevans22 Natty08 squiggle7 Mean_Teacher frogphilp passionateaboot CliveBuckley KempsterD

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Grevster73

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G_for_Gemma JOHNSAYERS JOHNSAYERS

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deerwood

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JOHNSAYERS

20:16

#ukedchat through year a resource bank of news articles on NE&cumbrian documented by staff with vids(based on BBC/ITV) students then.... #ukedchat students in year go on field trips to 8 locations learning Geog,Hist,RE,lit,num, about the area and apply to enquiry Qs I see independence as a frame of mind an ability to think for yourself #ukedchat #ukedchat do you think Twitter has a role in this 'digital' enquiry @deerwood @Natty08 #ukedchat my prob is more able less don't have cooperation skills to work independently! RT @GaryAveryICT: What they learn from their own investigations is more important than something they've been taught...isn't it? #ukedchat ahhhrrrgggg.. systen crash now out of touch #ukedchat #ukedchat activities for blooms taxonomy and how to use, literacy/numeracy/ICT skills with step guides on how to use apply. Big shoutout for #ukedchat by @Ideas_Factory at #tmleeds :-) #ukedchat I use the thinking box (resource pack containing researching options with guides, presentation tools, team work strategies,.... Carol Dweck 's work suggests that motivation to learn is linked to independence, studying for tests will not do that #ukedchat @bevevans22 @GaryAveryICT Less likely to be a 'plaster on the mind' if they've worked it out for themselves anyway. #ukedchat Why because SATS are over? Our children do this throughout the year and still do well in SATS #ukedchat @mattharding007 Sorry for the late entry people, just came home, ate dinner now all ready for a great #ukedchat so what's the topic for today pls? @deerwood agree Doug, as Donne ( I think) said - No Man is an Island #ukedchat @CliveBuckley @Mean_Teacher Being independent is cultural & needs to grow in the sch & amongst learners #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher #ukedchat I don't agree. If there's truth in that, it's because schools take away kids independence. RT @Digital_Blonde: #ukedchat do you think Twitter has a role in this 'digital' enquiry - it can have. Some classes and schools tweet RT @ZafAslam: Perhaps get students to 'reflect' and think about the process rather than the end product #ukedchat: yes process is impt

JOHNSAYERS malcolmbellamy Digital_Blonde squiggle7 bevevans22 hairysporran JOHNSAYERS dughall JOHNSAYERS

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SusanElkinJourn

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bucharesttutor theokk wjputt BenRogersOVA bevevans22

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ePaceonline RedShiftRadioUK Natty08

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@nellmog #ukedchat, really agree with this. Who made the best mistake today? is often a good question to ask. RT @ioan_said: Bopping to @RedShiftRadioUK ... // whoop whoop! Are you joining in with the #ukedchat? @squiggle7 @deerwood You are their first experience of it. They need to value it also, you are changing several years of teaching #ukedchat #ukedchat Students blogging about what they are doing, thinking or have learnt creates important discussions via commenting as ... @davidhunter @squiggle7 #ukedchat That's going to be hard if we get a prescribed book list. But I agree. RT @Mean_Teacher: Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat >>not just children RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat surely the 1 thng we need 2do if YP are 2become independent learners is 2reliquish the fallacy of tchr as point zero of knowledge? Perhaps get students to 'reflect' and think about the process rather than the end product #ukedchat @passionateaboot Passion for something (including learning) can be contagious #ukedchat @jackiesharp join the #ukedchat Jackie! I know that if I don't know something as an adult I get and make the time to investigate..The jammed curriculum is the problem. #ukedchat RT @Mean_Teacher: Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat; Not sure I agree! Too braindead for #ukedchat tonight after 5 period day, swimming gala then Y4 parents' evening... will look fwd to watching back... Have one who gets angry if he finds the work too hard.How do you encourage independence in children who desperately don't want it? #ukedchat @squiggle7 @deerwood foster it as ethos in school. If your head values what you are trying he should let you #ukedchat @bucharesttutor We're talking about helping pupils become independent learners - is it possible? #ukedchat Welcome Created independent learning in #physed by using cooperative learning over a six year period #ukedchat @Natty08 @squiggle7 ah, what year group are you teaching? #ukedchat #ukedchat A child can only organise and develop their own learning (ie independent learner) if their environment allows them to do so.

SimonBainbridge cherrylkd frogphilp

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elisobeth ZafAslam colport Mr_Thorne GaryAveryICT

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CliveBuckley

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bellaale

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twolifetimes

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Natty08

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bevevans22 DrAshCasey deerwood mummynotyummy

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KempsterD

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CliveBuckley Catriona_O mikallaane frankieDMD squiggle7 MrAColley Grevster73 mattbuxton10 CliveBuckley nancyrubin G_for_Gemma

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@Mean_Teacher I think they R coached 2 B spoon fed. When in FS they R do wnt 2 B indepndent. Yrs dn the line they expect the spoon #ukedchat RT @wjputt: @CliveBuckley @Mean_Teacher Being independent is cultural & needs to grow in the sch & amongst learners #ukedchat; Agree! @Mean_Teacher do you really think so?#ukedchat heard some very interesting dtuff recently on pupil voice.... #ukedchat who's definition of 'independent learning' is being used? What's your definition?? @stuckonhomework Mabye children are learning independently already without even realising? YouTube, Wikepedia Web 2.0 #ukedchat @Natty08 @deerwood I know, it's just so disheartning, wish there was a quick fix way to do it #ukedchat Evening tweeps, sorry I'm late. Anyone mentioned bouncebackability yet? #ukedchat RT @Grevster73: @jonburdon I suggest ability to problem solve is one quality #ukedchat @jonburdon #ukedchat someone who knows what to do when they don't know what to do? Surely 'learning' can only be independent? Construction of knowledge is an internal process #ukedchat Bloom's Digital Taxonomy http://t.co/rIUq84g v#ukedchat #ukedchat anyone able to break boundaries a little bit and set up longer term 'learning journeys'? I try to use long term q's to answer #ukedchat child initiated in FS is as indep as it gets w/o us failing to challenge children past their own ideas of lines of development. Very interesting video with a potential model for IL using video (Salman Khan) http://bit.ly/gZaj79 #ukedchat @sfrench21 #ukedchat Every school should have a blog? As well as a great learning tool it is building skills they will need to use in the next 20 years @malcolmbellamy #ukedchat thinking for yourself, learning to judge and trust decisions @bellaale ....that's ALL??? ................lightweight :-) #ukedchat also think it's important for pupils to see we are still learning ourselves #ukedchat RT @Mean_Teacher Part of the problem - Pupils don't want to be independent, they want to be spoon fed>>> #ukedchat DISAGREE!!! #ukedchat Independent isn't about learning alone - maybe it is about being self-motivated & not dependent..maybe RT @ukedchat: If you are commenting about the #ukedchat discussion, please remember to include '#ukedchat' in your tweet, so all can see in the stream Page 18 of 63

Alvaughany

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SimonBainbridge ePaceonline Catriona_O ElKel99 mattharding007 wjputt simfin

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Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

hairysporran Creativeedu web20education squiggle7 Grevster73 andywhiteway

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are some teachers afraid of independent learning because it means the teacher has less control of the classroom environment ? #ukedchat I think blogging is a great way to promote Independent learning anyone got good e.g.s? #UKEdChat Education Week: The School-Internet 'Relationship' and #OnlineLearning #edchat #edtech20 #elearning #ukedchat #lrnchat http://t.co/JuCODap @deerwood @Natty08 I am year 4 #ukedchat Learning to think and not just learn facts is a step towards independence (u listening Mr Gove?) #ukedchat #ukedchat does anyone else find it fundamentally diff. to balance encouraging const IL with such a large curric. to get through? @ElKel99 @craftyslh #ukedchat Agree - learning how to learn for themselves so that they can make it lifelong once they know 'how to' @mikallaane Does 'independent learning' mean making (informed) choices within education? #ukedchat @calie77 Giving enough time to contemplate is important. We must make the time in a already overcrowded timetable. #ukedchat Only if they haven't experienced interaction! #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher @bevevans22 thks fr that. According Ss should be given a free hand in giving feedback whether positive or negative thus encouraged #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA I agree, it was a discussion point >>> should have been ??? Sorry! #ukedchat Sureky the key to getting students to be indenpendent learners is to get them engaged in the material? #ukedchat Having a school VLE with links to online resources is great way to encourage independent learning. #ukedchat . @sfrench21 @tim7168 http://is.gd/BtESeg Link to Khan #ukedchat #ukedchat if it is fostered through school you could have SEAL themes of 'manners' eg saying please and thankyou. Way of teaching 1/2 When we ask teachers why they offer Global Perspectives, IGCSE or Pre-U, they say 'independent learning' http://bit.ly/lkigSh #ukedchat tried to explain to teachers how y4s teach themselves scratch via youtube. Complete incomprehension. #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: A reminder to anyone just joining us: we;re discussing how to make children independent learners- please join in with any thoughts #ukedchat RT @ElKel99: also think it's important for pupils to see we are still learning ourselves #ukedchat <-Yes, I pretend I am learning with them! Page 19 of 63

passionateaboot colport ICTmagic rogerbilling bucharesttutor Mean_Teacher LAustinAGT Future_Schools theokk Natty08

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cambridgepreu

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colport

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GaryAveryICT

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ldeacon

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passionateaboot squiggle7 In2schools

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bevevans22

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squiggle7

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Love blogging but isn't it a vehicle for outcomes? How many children use blogs and twitter like we do on a thursday evening. ukedchat RT @hairysporran: are some teachers afraid of independent learning because it means the teacher has less control of the classroom environment ? #ukedchat @nellmog #ukedchat Please teachers - there's no failure, only feedback. Encourage them to ask what the learnings are from every outcome @bevevans22 haha like it! #ukedchat @jonburdon part of independent learning comes from knowing you can learn from others i.e. you are not learning independently #ukedchat RT @wjputt: #ukedchat Independent isn't about learning alone maybe it is about being self-motivated & not dependent..maybe good point @Natty08 @deerwood I did talk about having a team building focus for whole school at the start of next year, let's hope it helps #ukedchat Real independent learners can pick the right too/resourcel at the right time, including the teacher when appropriate. #ukedchat #ukedchat for what reason? To create a society akin to Sparta? @hairysporran Yes. There are some control (and order) freaks out there is those classrooms ;-) #ukedchat @ePaceonline or what was learned by accident? #ukedchat Often these are the things students will remember in the long term @squiggle7 Throw them in at the deep end! Send them out in the rain with a tent! I think they might try and collaborate... ;) #ukedchat #ukedchat twin sins of teachers which prevent independent learning; 'favourite' activiites and coverage of content #ukedchat Is independent learning possible - was that a ?? It is - it has to be. McKinsey Study of Global School Systems to identify what works. PDFs at http://ilnk.me/8624 Worth the download. #ecosys #ukedchat Independent learning = not scared of making mistakes. Not giving up when things get tough. Discovering not regurgitating. #ukedchat Any UK educators who would like to present via Skype at TeachMeet Nashville? June 7 or 8 http://tmnash.wikispaces.com #ukedchat #ukedchat cooperation skills without directly doing it. There are lots of ways you can do it. 2/2 @ElKel99 I like your point...if we are to be seen as role models #ukedchat Page 20 of 63

MrAColley Notadwarf colport nellmog

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bevevans22

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cardiffscience wjputt ToughLoveforX

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rjpritchard

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Wkingbg Natty08 poundten

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Independent Learning Is it really Achievable?

twolifetimes

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Mean_Teacher

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#ukedchat How does independent learning change, or need to change, as children get older? Moving through the years? I agree RT @wjputt: @CliveBuckley @Mean_Teacher Being independent is cultural & needs to grow in the sch & amongst learners #ukedchat @squiggle7 @Natty08 so even at yr4 do you find their previous years' experience a barrier to independent learning? #ukedchat @squiggle7 #ukedchat no its a philosophical point about learning.class loved Greeks but biggest surprise wa… (cont) http://deck.ly/~lCZdz @colport I don't even need to pretend some days! #ukedchat I've learned from many people - it doesn't make them teachers most had no idea they were 'teaching' me #ukedchat RT @passionateaboot: @nellmog #ukedchat Please teachers there's no failure, only feedback. Encourage them to ask what the learnings are from every outcome #ukedchat It takes a brave school to create the culture. How independent are your exam classes expected to be atm? The best trainee teachers show development from being a font of knowledge to a facilitator of learning #ukedchat @Creativeedu #ukedchat Do you not still learn then? @CliveBuckley I really can't keep up!! #ukedchat RT @nancyrubin: Bloom's Digital Taxonomy http://t.co/rIUq84g v#ukedchat Does indep come frm an envnmt where mistakes r accepted as part learning process? I find my most ind learners nt afraid 2tk risks #ukedchat RT @malcolmbellamy: I see independence as a frame of mind an ability to think for yourself #ukedchat @G_for_Gemma shhh, don't mention the 'c' word #Gove banned it #ukedchat Argh I keep forgetting the #ukedchat hashtag! A third of the way & it's fast & furious #ukedchat How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible? No! Sorry the >>>> should have been ??? it was a discussion point! @Catriona_O #ukedchat @cambridgepreu What about OU? Some free modules available on Open Learn. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu Here's my groups maths blog. Y4-6 children who can all post to it. http://bit.ly/9hPiIL #ukedchat RT @rjpritchard: Independent learning Discovering not regurgitating. #ukedchat ... That has to be it in a nutshell.. Brilliant!

deerwood

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davidhunter ElKel99 LeeMarkDavies

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rogerbilling

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MrAColley Grevster73 passionateaboot squiggle7 BANK247 sfrench21 SusanElkinJourn ElKel99 squiggle7 bevevans22 Mean_Teacher wjputt frogphilp GaryAveryICT

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stuckonhomework

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when children start to learn independently they become more confident, and therefore enjoy the learning process more#ukedchat I can see from Fronter stats that my class are accessing great online educational resources all the time at home #ukedchat I am now running at least 3 minutes behind the latest tweets with #ukedchat So much good stuff coming through :-) #ukedchat independent learners need to know how they are learning not just what. Which skills they need to use to reach the next step. Aha! It works. Well done guys. > RT @jacksloan Why is twitter good for teachers? Help me demonstrate! #ukedchat #edchat #ukedchat Independent learning is about learning 'how to' learn, for self #ukedchat what does 'independent learning' mean at KS1, KS2, KS3 & KS4? I think a truly confident independent learner would know when to ask their teacher for help - but that seems contradictory! #UKEdChat RT @rjpritchard: Independent learning = not scared of making mistakes. Not giving up when things get tough. Discovering not regurgitating. #ukedchat #ukedchat do we need to leave room for some prescribed learning and if so how can this be independent? About balance? @bucharesttutor @bevevans22 #ukedchat @KempsterD Depends what you put on Fronter #ukedchat #ukedchat Learning needs a real consequence/result to foster real independence. @twolifetimes Independent thinking must be encouraged right from the pre school days alongside developing their motor skills etc. #ukedchat RT @Future_Schools: Having a school VLE with links to online resources is great way to encourage independent learning. #ukedchat I think open channels of communication are essential first step #ukedchat oops @colport have just arrived late - I'm 23 minutes behing on #ukedchat! @Future_Schools Looking at some stuff on Fronter is NOT independent learning...#ukedchat @twolifetimes he could be finding it difficult to process information, finding right level and lots of reinforcement might help #ukedchat #ukedchat does having targets we 'have' to meet constrain independance?

Future_Schools

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colport

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mummynotyummy

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GoodSchoolsUK passionateaboot mikallaane Creativeedu

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Grevster73

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Joeleppington cherrylkd Future_Schools MrAColley bucharesttutor

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sfrench21 Sophisimus duckinwales KempsterD ePaceonline stuartaris

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Maireths tim7168 JOHNSAYERS

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@KempsterD #ukedchat anything from cutting to no. bonds to handwrtng, can be in fun ways but has to be done, trick make them want 2 prctse Also Sugata Mitra on ICT as a route to child-led learning - amazing TED talk http://bit.ly/bRQuUo #ukedchat @bevevans22 @squiggle7 I had that 1st 2 weeks of uni! We had to show what we knew to a new environment setting. Was fabulous! #ukedchat Strong leadership should be at the front of allowing teachers to feel confident in helping learners become more independent #ukedchat @rashush2 They then need guiding to become more independent? #ukedchat @rashush2 did same with my yr 5 class . taught half the class scratch 1 week then they taught 2 other yr 5 classes the next week #ukedchat Building space online for kids to be creative & self-directed learning is vital - Blogs, wikis & tools like http://twiducate.com #ukedchat @mummynotyummy #ukedchat By environment do you mean classroom or conditions? @Mean_Teacher #ukedchat I thought so! You got my steam up! Our culture values the wrong sort of praise. It's very dangerous. Wenger and Lave communities of practice worth a read if you don't know of it http://bit.ly/6fPVe #ukedchat #ukedchat Agree a VLE encourages independent learning (AND helps parental engagement) @Joeleppington #ukedchat got 2 be balance RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat if everyone in #ukedchat clicks #poems4players tonight and RTs the big tweet my kids might just get a comment :) @twolifetimes maybe they're scared/confused. Being independent is better than being spoon fed, even if they don't realise it yet #ukedchat RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Less teacher talk, More open questions. Ch thinking, discussing and listening to each. Independent learners reflect on their successes and failures so that they are more equipped for the next challenge. #ukedchat @twolifetimes for me it becomes more diverse in interest as children get older #ukedchat @passionateaboot Both. Available tools and resources and a culture of have a go, ask for help, experiment #ukedchat @stuartaris #ukedchat I would say so! @KempsterD Why? #ukedchat RT @frogphilp: @CreativeEdu Here's my groups maths blog. Y4-6 children who can all post to it. http://bit.ly/9hPiIL #ukedchat

rogerbilling colport hairysporran

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ICTmagic passionateaboot BenRogersOVA CliveBuckley hoopers1 Maireths dannywillis89

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Reid_Robert wjputt rjpritchard stuartaris mummynotyummy ePaceonline Future_Schools Ideas_Factory

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BenRogersOVA

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boyledsweetie nancyrubin hairbyslice passionateaboot

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@GaryAveryICT @rjpritchard #ukedchat This has been tried and then we moved on (especially in sci ed) - I think it's harder than it looks. RT @ukedchat: If you are commenting about the #ukedchat discussion, please remember to include '#ukedchat' in your tweet, so all can see in the stream Reflective Journals http://t.co/gUio9oJ #ukedchat #ukedchat Less teacher talk, More open questions. Ch thinking, discussing and listening to each. @colport #ukedchat Passion taken too far can also be annoying - it's being mindful of when and where passion is appropriate when children start to learn independently they become more confident, and therefore enjoy the learning process more #ukedchat @Future_Schools No it doesn't #ukedchat #ukedchat Is independent reading - and the need to work hard at promoting it in schools - a key part of independent learning? #ukedchat @grokbox: “@LeeMarkDavies: I disagree, I have millions of teachers" ~ no, you have lots of people you learn from - not same #ukedchat RT @mummynotyummy: #ukedchat A child can only organise and develop their own learning (ie independent learner) if their environment allows them to do so. @calie77 Of course. We all have and do. But the intention should be there and happen as often as possible. #ukedchat @ICTmagic Not everyone is up and running with blogs, wikis & twitter - how do we encourage schools that this is the way forward? #ukedchat @colport Teachers as learning 'enablers' #ukedchat @CreativeEdu Absolutely not! Being independent means knowing strengths and weaknesses and when we need support/help! #ukedchat @KempsterD GCSEs students just expect you to do it for them! They don't want to think for themselves.... mega generalisation!! #ukedchat @duckinwales Take a deep breath....good luck! #ukedchat Encouraging curiosity in the child encourages learning, independent or otherwise #ukedchat #ukedchat not convinced VLE=IL. Surely we've still made a large part of the resource(s)? Let them make it: wikis, blogs etc try to limit teacher talk to 5 min at the start of a 1hr lesson. it works #ukedchat but you need to do it most lessons @hairysporran I like that, it creates a buzz about learning #ukedchat

stuckonhomework KempsterD SusanElkinJourn

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LeeMarkDavies

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Mean_Teacher

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ICTmagic

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bucharesttutor

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@bevevans22 @ICTmagic Make ICT a compulsory subject right from the Year 1 and stress on the advantage called technology #ukedchat #ukedchat does your pupose built VLE really work for you?? Or is it just too damn difficult to use? Ive not seen a decent VLE yet! me too for about 80% of pupils! Sorry it should have been a question not a statement @mattharding007 #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher @KempsterD By the time they get to GCSEs they have been taught to expect that... Agree? #ukedchat #ukedchat Since starting work, I've often had to learn 'just in time'. In school we learn 'just in case' - hard to see the relevance. Agree > RT @CliveSir: Encouraging curiosity in the child encourages learning, independent or otherwise #ukedchat @frogphilp Thank you - sounds fab. i will read it fully tomorrow when my eyes have stopped bleeding! #UKEdChat agree with @passionateaboot llearners need to understand more about the learning process - less focus on content #ukedchat Year 10 reminded me of this when chat at end of lesson revealed how much they prefered researching context for poems themselves #ukedchat Teachers are under pressure to get students through exams, independent learning can seem a risk, resulting in spoon feeding? #ukedchat @passionateaboot Point taken! One of my daughters teachers has a teacher who is passionate about sand! Kids 'don't get it'! #ukedchat! #ukedchat interesting seeing these rather enhanced definitions independent learning is just simply the ability to learn independently @bevevans22 @calie77 #ukedchat A great talk :) Do you mind if I share this with colleagues? RT @stuckonhomework: when children start to learn independently they become more confident, and therefore enjoy the learning process more #ukedchat Self directed learning only happens if you're aware of where you are and need to go, are children that aware? #ukedchat @bevevans22 I have a beginner guide to Wikispaces at http://bit.ly/ICT_magic, but teachers/kids need guidance from people like us. #ukedchat @ZafAslam Definitely. Passing exams does not equal education. #ukedchat @Creativeedu #UKEdChat check out http://t.co/KyTQlqE great views on supporting independent learning

SimonBainbridge Mean_Teacher In2schools

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MrAColley tim7168 Creativeedu

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jimjudges

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Sophisimus

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ZafAslam

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colport

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sharland Calie77 rogerbilling

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Cherise_Duxbury JOHNSAYERS

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#ukedchat more opportunities for children to explain their own thinking and understanding “@MrAColley: #ukedchat Learning needs a real consequence/result to foster real independence.― assess skills I rather than content 3 units Some children don't know how to listen, we need to teach it. They have to be able to listen to work with others! #ukedchat @Mummynotyummy #ukedchat How do you encourage risk and innovation? @passionateaboot personally I think it would be naive to teach students there is no failure. Dealing with it is an important skill #ukedchat RT @Mr_D_Cheng: Our BTEC learners are a lot moreindependant than GCSE #ukedchat - Why do you say that? Can you back that up? @bevevans22 @ictmagic #ukedchat Across Lancs County Council, any networking sites are blocked. Shame :-/ RT @hairbyslice #ukedchat Less teacher talk, More open questions. Ch thinking, discussing and listening to each. <--and teachers shutting up How does independent learning impact pupils with SEN, or G&T? #ukedchat @hairysporran @rashush2 why not teach one class then get them to teach the others #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @bevevans22. #ukedchat. Try again. So you mean like AfL? Peer assessment and self assessment. Ind + feedback? @squiggle7 @twfall should enable a chat function that automatically adds #UKEdChat or the relevant hashtag @catmill #ukedchat usually use tweetchat but was too fast so switched to tweetdeck but it doesn't do it and I keep forgetting Need to take that risk, supported by strong leaders, then people will see the benefits #ukedchat @ZafAslam Our BTEC learners are a lot moreindependant than GCSE #ukedchat #ukedchat How do develop independent thinkers. Those that challenge and will not accept blindness to anything? @mbrayford #ukedchat Is it the children that need an end product? Travelling can be just as satisfying as arriving, when u learn about self So, creating independent learners is something we're passionate about. What can we implement in class to assist with this? #ukedchat ideas? @CreativeEdu #ukedchat but part of being indep is knowing when & how to get help RT @MrAColley: #ukedchat Learning needs a real consequence/result to foster real independence.

Natty08 passionateaboot nellmog

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bevevans22 Calie77 mattharding007 colport ElKel99 cherrylkd Creativeedu squiggle7 rogerbilling Mr_D_Cheng StaffsGA passionateaboot

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bevevans22 Maireths JOHNSAYERS

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sharland innerquest wjputt rogerbilling smurfatik

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#ukedchat but i do agree - the issue is how to promote independent learning not what it is #ukedchat Children need pedagogy, adults need andragogy #ukedchat To be an independent learner one has to honest abt one's failures and inadequacies. Takes maturity, confidence & resilience. I agree, we need to teach the skills and demonstrate them ourselves with staff in school #ukedchat @Natty08 @KempsterD agree, wrkn on own is not same thing. I am currently independently learning by sharing ideas in a group #ukedchat @KempsterD Fronter is pretty crap but all I'm allowed to use at school, kids uploading content and accessing great stuff #ukedchat @In2schools @Mean_Teacher Yes. By the time they at GCSE they have had most of their independence quashed. Is this social control? #ukedchat @rogerbilling @ZafAslam #ukedchat The evidence backs you up. Hattie shows this type of learning dramatically improves grades. Tehe indeed RT @ElKel99 @G_for_Gemma shhh, don't mention the 'c' word #Gove banned it #ukedchat Outside of school children continue to be independent learners, is it possible to replicate in school? Surely so? #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA excellent, here to create interesting discussion #ukedchat @colport It's easier to provide opportunities for G&T children to be independent within standard school settings #ukedchat I RT before: RT @teachgr: Classic. Today I did a lot of teaching but my students did very little learning. Must talk less. #ukedchat @bucharesttutor That would help. (and give me lots of overtime!) :) #ukedchat RT @wjputt: #ukedchat To be independent l'r one has to honest abt one's failures and inadequacies. Takes maturity, confidence & resilience. #ukedchat Independant learning means getting out of the classroom and learning anywhere with the guidance of inspiring teachers! @Reid_Robert Is it then a question of pushing them out of their comfort zone and providing a safety net if they need it? #ukedchat @CreativeEdu thanks will look for next week #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA Agreed! Especially when someone is observing! #ukedchat

Future_Schools

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BenRogersOVA G_for_Gemma stuartaris Mean_Teacher frogphilp

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CliveBuckley ICTmagic cardiffscience

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tim7168 jimjudges MrAColley rjpritchard

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bevevans22

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RT @Natty08: Some children don't know how to listen, we need to teach it. They have to be able to listen to work with others! #ukedchat @SimonBainbridge you need Moodle!? #ukedchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat Don't finish their answers for them! Questioning is our most powerful technique. @BenRogersOVA #ukedchat how hard did we try? Needs to be a whole shift in how schools educate; not easy, but not impossible surely? RT @cherrylkd: @bucharesttutor @bevevans22. #ukedchat. So you mean like AfL? Peer assessment and self assessment. Ind + feedback? - yes RT @Natty08: We have to be role models and teach children what is good to say, this will lead to it naturally #ukedchat - agreed Exposure to more content in VLEs is not independent learning, it's just exposure to more content in VLEs #ukedchat @MrAColley If there was relevance that would mean a complete restructuring of schooling, not such a bad thing? #ukedchat @deerwood Very good point, easy to conflate them. #ukedchat @deerwood ha ha! no just what #UKEdChat does to my eyes ;-) It really isn't very good for me I don't think... or maybe it's just the wine! RT @hairysporran: @colport given the right tasks and the right tools SEN/GT pupils find independent learning the most rewarding #ukedchat Child: Why? How? What? When? Teacher: Be quiet and do your work! #ukedchat Teach and model curiosity! @Natty08 Yes! Not just tell them to sit and listen, but actively teach *how* and practise it! #ukedchat We have to be role models and teach children what is good to say, this will lead to it naturally #ukedchat Am sure this has been said, but independent learning is about knowing what to do at those moments when you don't know what to do #ukedchat @Mr_D_Cheng agree. Really interesting differences between BTEC / GCSE students at end of course #ukedchat #ukedchat sorry I am late joining in...eating my supper with family dying to join in with this discussion bu… (cont) http://deck.ly/~ypZLo BBC News - Teenagers must stick at English and maths – #edtech20 #edchat #ukedchat #elemchat #lrnchat #elt #efl http://t.co/DjlPks1 @innerquest fair point but is self directed learning the same as independent learning? #ukedchat

bevevans22

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innerquest

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In2schools tim7168 Creativeedu

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colport CliveSir twolifetimes Natty08 TeacherTalks andywhiteway Cherise_Duxbury

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bevevans22 LeeMarkDavies MusicMediaMad jonburdon innerquest ZafAslam LeeMarkDavies stuartaris

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I think pupils are more likely to be independent if they have some say in the topics they're investigating & researching #ukedchat @Natty08 listen or hear? #ukedchat How do our children become independent learners? Reduce AfL checklists, marking criteria & outcomes for success from their view #ukedchat DB Primary is a great VLE and can be used to facilitate independent learning through communities #ukedchat What is needed are more diagnositc assessments and coaching for improvement, not being left to it. That just leads to confusion #ukedchat Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Let me do it and I understand. #ukedchat. @innerquest: #ukedchat Children need pedagogy, adults need andragogy ~ oh dear....... @bevevans22 #ukedchat collaborative planning? We need to learn with the children and show that it still can excite us! @colport See what APP says about independence - Levels 1&2 are defined as having 'some support'; independence only expected at L3+ #ukedchat @KempsterD @In2schools @Mean_Teacher Yes, I think it's social control. All pervasive 'Do we need this for the exam?' attitude. #ukedchat @wjputt #ukedchat Absolutely agree this is fundamental but not always easy to do @jimjudges #ukedchat Yes, it doesn't matter what you can't do, it's what you can do and celebrating those differences & what you contribute @rjpritchard #ukedchat Not hard enough! This time it feels different. The evidence is with us and we aren't starting from scratch. @JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat The best ind learning I've seen is when pupils had a show, display or presentation to outside people coming up. One of my students said 'I learn best in the garden' - 'virtual garden' but he meant away from formal learning environ #ukedchat @SimonBainbridge have you seen frog? lOVE it. So do the ss! #ukedchat @bevevans22 @cherrylkd exactly what I mean #ukedchat @LeeMarkDavies Listen and take on board what has been said! #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS Let them into a classroom where a teacher is comfortable with tech & is using where it to aid learning. Then they will #ukedchat Our children are so confident and enjoy every bit of learning, even the governements so called 'boring learning' #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA Page 29 of 63

frogphilp

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SusanElkinJourn ePaceonline passionateaboot

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BenRogersOVA

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MrAColley

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CliveBuckley sfrench21 bucharesttutor Natty08 ICTmagic

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rogerbilling

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GaryAveryICT

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RT @deerwood: @innerquest fair point but is self directed learning the same as independent learning? #ukedchat . Not covinced it is @ElKel99 Agree that children as teachers is a great way to establish independence. Doing it with film-making at my school #ukedchat What about encouraging independent learning beyond the classroom... who has ideas on that? #UKEdChat @nellmog #ukedchat if you don't take any feedback from 'failure' then is it a wasted opportunity? Personally don't like negativity of word @frogphilp Yes, so they need 'guiding' to become independent. #ukedchat Learn in 3 stages; 1)input (read, listen etc), 2)think, 3)output (write, speak etc); kids select tools 4 each stage on own = IND'T #ukedchat @chris_1974 It is fast & furious! #ukedchat I quite often do a T chart. What we would see &what that sounds like. Children now understand I am listening as well as watching #ukedchat @rogerbilling #ukedchat This is the point: kids love to learn. If they don't, they've been messed about. @KempsterD oooh - isn't education just social control - one social experiment after another? #ukedchat We also need to ask the children to be involved in curriculum planning, get their ideas and find out where to start. #ukedchat @cherrylkd @squiggle7 #ukedchat maybe not that tricky if content is online and chn follow their interests. W… (cont) http://deck.ly/~5FHyw sorry I'm late.Time to (try) catch up with #ukedchat RT @hairbyslice: “@mattharding007: "... And teachers shutting up― Indeed! We all need to shut up more often! Haha! #ukedchat Heads too! RT @In2schools: @KempsterD @Mean_Teacher think it stems from fear! #ukedchat @calie77 You should be able to contact your provide to unblock what you wish. Otherwise they blanket block everything. #ukedchat @KempsterD @Mean_Teacher think it stems from fear! #ukedchat Give kids a topic that they have to teach peers - they have to find out what they need to know + how to best teach it #ukedchat “@mattharding007: "... And teachers shutting up― Indeed! We all need to shut up more often! Haha! #ukedchat @calie77 Grrr! Annoying. #ukedchat

frogphilp Creativeedu passionateaboot colport mattbuxton10 wjputt Natty08 BenRogersOVA Grevster73 rogerbilling

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davidhunter chris_1974 wjputt Cherise_Duxbury ICTmagic In2schools ElKel99

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Reid_Robert

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@twolifetimes exactly. An acceptance that a certain amount of failure is inevitable and supporting them when it happens is key #ukedchat @mattbuxton10 loving the input - output analogy - shouldn't we be focused on what happens in between tho? #ukedchat good luck sumerising this lot tonight #ukedchat @CreativeEdu #ukedchat Blogging is great for independent learning outside classroom. #ukedchat made a class of mine plan an independent presentation. Took 1 lesson of arguing &getting nothing done before anything productive @DrAshCasey #UKEdChat independent doesn't mean inspired, motivated, creative @hairbyslice or join in on the same level, rather than teacher child #ukedchat @ICTmagic @calie77 I tried. No deal. #ukedchat Rubbish. :( Just throwing this out there...are schools who have adopted a child initiative approach for last few years seeing a diff in pupils #ukedchat is independent learning the same as FOFO? #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS But yes, the article is a good starting point. #ukedchat @Natty08 T - chart - more info pls? #ukedchat @ZafAslam a true story #ukedchat @rogerbilling Here, here! Input from children so grossly overlooked in so many areas of education #ukedchat bottle the enthusiasm for learning in year 6 because it's squeezed out of them in year 7! #ukedchat @wjputt 1970s Bullock report found teachers talk for 75% time & kids for 25%. Said it should be other way round. 35 years on . . . #ukedchat RT @hairysporran: good luck sumerising this lot tonight #ukedchat <~ @bevevans22 is the lucky one this week ;-) @ICTmagic don't you think thats good for all of us, keeping ourselves busy #ukedchat RT @ZafAslam: Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Let me do it and I understand. #ukedchat. @In2schools #ukedchat Maybe not - sounds like it would be easy enough! ;) #ukedchat yea to the less teacher talk! Best thing mentor ever told me was to time how much I then students speak in 1 lesson. What's yours? RT @KnikiDavies: @CreativeEdu #ukedchat Blogging is great 4 independent learning outside classroom. <-- agree 100%- has amazing results! @TomSale mayb we should take leaf out of EYs-allow chn to choose what activities thy wnt to do - provide opps to learn.Here here! #ukedchat

Grevster73 hairysporran KnikiDavies MissD_Eng ginsterginster rogerbilling Calie77 bevevans22 LeeMarkDavies ICTmagic wjputt frankieDMD In2schools jimjudges SusanElkinJourn ukedchat bucharesttutor G_for_Gemma MrAColley andywhiteway

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G_for_Gemma

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rjpritchard mattharding007 frogphilp deerwood MissD_Eng Natty08

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@MrAColley #ukedchat seen similar at our place, y7s have 'core skills' class, lots of long projects, lack o… (cont) http://deck.ly/~7sEvz @Creativeedu completely change the current norm re:homework. Nothing turns kids off learning more than standard issue homeworks. #ukedchat @wjputt Heads particularly! *ducks for cover* #ukedchat @ginsterginster Disagree with creativity. Most aspects of creativity are duplicated in independence #ukedchat @colport @frogphilp who guides them, teachers or parents too? In which case how do we show parents value of independent learning? #ukedchat #ukedchat hard to let them battle it out, but groups have formed better as an outcome. When working together we talk at the end about things ppl said that made us feel good, focus on the good things and build on them #ukedchat @stuartaris I like to take a topic and find out what the pupils would like to learn - makes life easier & more interesting #ukedchat which worries me that the government keep on going to behaviour experts, just involve the children! #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA @sfrench21 #ukedchat I have seen Frog, Fronter and Netmedia and none of them seem to get used to their full potential. Too hard to use! #ukedchat always hard not to help too much when kids are working together in groups. @In2schools maybe for about 70% and mainly boys, in my experience #ukedchat phew just in time for last half of #ukedchat . What are we discussing? Sorry I'm late!!! #ukedchat Indep learning - is about learning, guiding it but most of all enthusing abt it - being wowed & excited by stuff - geeky is cool @MrAColley yep I do that with parents;) at end of unit inspires students to really push the boat! #ukedchat @ukedchat if were lucky shell summarise it in a song @rogerbilling #ukedchat I like this idea. I'd be very interested to know how much kids invent their own curriculum anyway (clubs etc). #ukedchat Can't see that twitter blogs and wikis are so crucial, my students will happily ind learn on paper or offline @JOHNSAYERS With spending cuts effecting CPD courses. In house and PLN development is becoming ever more important. #ukedchat Just over half way through! Tonight's #ukedchat topic "How do we help children become truly independent learners? Is it really possible?" Page 32 of 63

bevevans22

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rogerbilling

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SimonBainbridge MissD_Eng Mean_Teacher LeahJames21 wjputt JOHNSAYERS deerwood BenRogersOVA

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ElKel99 colport frogphilp

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@mummynotyummy evening, nice to see you here, and you're right! #ukedchat @deerwood @frogphilp It can confuse children when they are guided in different directions though :-( #ukedchat @deerwood Range of responses from parents to independence is greater than range of responses from teachers. #ukedchat We were playing a game in science - ordering phases of the moon. Child: "Can you put a link to this on the blog please?" Great! #ukedchat We were playing a game in science - ordering phases of the moon. Child: "Can you put a link to this on the blog please?" Great! #ukedchat @G_for_Gemma @MrAColley we too have intorduced both Lit skills and Learning to Learn explicit lessons in Y7 (@missRMartin) #ukedchat What would I.L. friendly homework look like? @rjpritchard #UKEdChat RT @CliveBuckley: Wenger and Lave communities of practice worth a read if you don't know of it http://bit.ly/6fPVe #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley: Wenger and Lave communities of practice worth a read if you don't know of it http://bit.ly/6fPVe #ukedchat @stuartaris #ukedchat I think so yes! extremely confident children, who can talk about their learning, from Nursery to Y6 - never fails to amaze me #ukedchat @bevevans22 @bevevans22 agree: asking students to choose topics, or design their own research topics, helps them become independent learners #ukedchat KS£ WIKID SOW prepares better independent learners #ukedchat I know everyone knows about him but Stephen Heppell has some great ideas on 'teaching' #ukedchat RT @mr_tchn: #ukedchat Can't see that twitter blogs+ wikis are crucial,students will happily ind learn on paper or offline <controversial! @SusanElkinJourn In lessons ask learners to time teach-talk & learner-talk & work on reducing it #ukedchat A quick aside, do you need tech to be truly independent learner or can you do without it? #ukedchat @bevevans22 dont tweet with your mouth full :0) #ukedchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat, think it is about building trusting relationships and let go of control a little, good lessons happen with this RT @jimjudges: bottle the enthusiasm for learning in year 6 because it's squeezed out of them in year 7! #ukedchat so true and so sad! Page 33 of 63

KnikiDavies

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cambridgepreu Mr_D_Cheng CliveBuckley Creativeedu wjputt deerwood hairysporran ePaceonline

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tim7168 bucharesttutor GaryAveryICT rjpritchard simmo19691969 rogerbilling innerquest ElKel99 passionateaboot

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@MissD_Eng I seem to find myself mediating arguments more than anything else! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu I suggest regular quizzes and proactive Q & A sessions with them to keep their skills intact #ukedchat Isn't alot of whats being mentioned about independant outcomes, chosing how to present something..Where does the learning come #ukedchat @CreativeEdu very open, project based I guess. Less worksheets, more research, creativity. #ukedchat #ukedchat directed learning enables children to develop independent learning, they discover where to find info… (cont) http://deck.ly/~C487H We have children who can suggest ideas that we would have picked and even better ones! #ukedchat @In2schools #ukedchat in KS2 and above we get too focused on the product of learning not the process - mistakes are learning tools @colport using tweetfall on laptop and twitter on ipod, still can't keep up :( #ukedchat @jimjudges #ukedchat Is that the difference between secondary and primary teaching styles, content & philosophy? ths Gov doesn't wnt independent learners it wants factry fodder 4 the nxt gen of 'factories' 19C model of Ed - Michaela skool 4 ex #ukedchat @ukedchat @hairysporran Thanks guys - this weeks #ukedchat is certainly keeping me on my toes... I gave the pupils local census results today and put questions under some chairs.....pupils moved around finding Q& A worked well! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu: "what's FOFO? @LeeMarkDavies" .... last three initials = Off (and) Find Out #ukedchat @nellmog yes... #ukedchat @CliveBuckley sorry, what's one of those? #ukedchat @innerquest #ukedchat I agree, but with so much to cover it's a very easy thing to slip into! @deerwood Tech helps but you can be independent without it. #ukedchat RT @tim7168: @MissD_Eng I seem to find myself mediating arguments more than anything else! #ukedchat @Creativeedu what would non standard issues homework look like? #ukedchat @LeeMarkDavies Don't fear the Andragogy matey ; ) #ukedchat They are part of the planning process, mindmaps and discussion then put it all together! #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA @KempsterD To an extent, yep! We are all expected to strive for the top of those league tables! #ukedchat

KempsterD bevevans22 ldeacon LeeMarkDavies ePaceonline deerwood twolifetimes frogphilp MissD_Eng jonburdon innerquest rogerbilling Mean_Teacher

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bevevans22 Grevster73 rjpritchard JOHNSAYERS

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@rogerbilling Yes - fantastic when pupils have confidence to talk about their work. Plan, do, review has helped enormously I think #ukedchat @passionateaboot absolutely - lots of research shows the differece b/w prim & sec styles and philosophy #ukedchat @KnikiDavies sounds ideal; you provide a broad theme, they then take ownership of it. #ukedchat “@IsilBoy: Collaborative Learning: Group Work and Study Teams http://t.co/gdDnSoW -GREAT article! #eltchat #esl #efl― #ukedchat @deerwood @colport Agree. We live in a society with many sociocultural contexts being valid. Teachers are also social engineers #ukedchat @passionateaboot yes! Lots of our practice easily transfers #ukedchat @bucharesttutor Oh yes, and of course most true for the children. Mr Gove doesn't share this idea though. Tech too expensive #ukedchat RT @deerwood: A quick aside, do you need tech to be truly independent learner or can you do without it? #ukedchat I find a book works! @rjpritchard @Creativeedu #ukedchat For eg we are doing space project, got astronaut diary and spinning top black hole so far! We must remember that independent doesn't mean leave them to do it alone. Not like old lit hour etc #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher @mummynotyummy which goes back to them knowing how to learn and having teachers that let them take risks #ukedchat @stuartaris @bevevans22 #ukedchat Look to EYFS for collaborative planning!!! Has the move of taking cont. prov. into KS1 had an impact?? I think independent learning is a crucial skill - I learnt this the hard way when I stopped being spoon fed at uni! #UKEdChat very true. RT @mattbuxton10: Never answer a question, always ask what they think & how they're going to find out!! #ukedchat @Grevster73 What about through schools when they don't move for Yr 7. Can learning momentum be sustained? #ukedchat answers were discusses and shared using census information....they took charge #ukedchat @cambridgepreu #ukedchat I find brainstorming a topic using Prezi or something interactive gets a positive reaction #ukedchat @SusanElkinJourn sad times :( #ukedchat Never answer a question, always ask what they think & how they're going to find out!! #ukedchat

frogphilp mummynotyummy ICTmagic

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CliveBuckley

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KnikiDavies stuartaris ElKel99

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tomhenzley CliveBuckley jonburdon KempsterD Natty08 BenRogersOVA wjputt Paddymcgrath theokk chris_1974

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RT @Natty08: We teach facts etc. We need to teach how to fail, work in a group, work on our own etc. Aim high but start simple and small. #ukedchat @deerwood They used to have them in libraries (remember them?) #ukedchat @SimonBainbridge @sfrench21 Try DB Primary - it's very easy #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher Who are the league tables for - not for the children that's for sure. #ukedchat We teach facts etc. We need to teach how to fail, work in a group, work on our own etc. Aim high but start simple and small. #ukedchat @CliveBuckley @deerwood #ukedchat peers are even better. #ukedchat Really enjoying this but tea is ready. Thanks colleagues. Excellent CPL. #ukedchat not sure I get all this ind. Learning talk. Surely it's all about what people's passions are @bevevans22 wondering if they start off as independent learners.? What are the dependencies? #ukedchat my fave questions RT @Natty08: We ask the questions what do you notice, what is the same, what is different? Quite a lot #ukedchat Needs to move up to sec schools now, we prepare our kids to get through the teaching they get after they leave us! @bevevans22 #ukedchat #ukedchat being an independent learner means giving children skills to acquire own knowledge when you're not around @Grevster73 #ukedchat when you adopt the 'primary' style and philosophy, secondary kids love it. Secy teachers can learn lots from primary @MrAColley that's what twitter is for steel away:) #ukedchat #ukedchat maybe this independent learning is just about signooatibg where chn's interests' info can be found.that's simple enough @Catriona_O But finally construct understanding for oneself #ukedchat Thinking our curriculum needs to be based on how to be a learner as much as it is based on knowledge/skills #ukedchat Perhaps teachers can let students answer the questions they ask, rather than giving the answer themselves? #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA @CliveBuckley ok, let's extend it a bit further, what about a PLN is this important for independent learning? #ukedchat

rogerbilling

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bucharesttutor Natty08 bevevans22 Grevster73

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@ICTmagic then the best thing would be to introduce Mr Gove himself the plusses of #tech then maybe the funds will flow ;) #ukedchat We ask the questions what do you notice, what is the same, what is different? Quite a lot #ukedchat @KShaw1977 @stuartaris In Wales continuous provisions is already part of KS1 and has been for a while #ukedchat RT @innerquest: #ukedchat in KS2 and above we get too focused on the product of learning not the process - mis… (cont) http://deck.ly/~e2o5Z #ukedchat homework *is* bizarre at secondary. Do 6/7 small disparate pieces of work at home a week. Why not do 1 really well. RT @theokk: @bevevans22 wondering if they start off as independent learners.?#ukedchat.. we all start this way. Watch, trial & error learnin @CliveBuckley #ukedchat - don't agree. need to reiterate, bounce, modify & contest ideas against others once we emerge from egocentric stage @rjpritchard #ukedchat Exactly, lets them focus in depth on the subject of their choice, in more detail than would be possible in school RT @Natty08: We teach facts etc. We need to teach how to fail, work in a group, work on our own etc. Aim high but start simple and small. #ukedchat What would be a good first step for a very dependent class to begin to foster an independent attitude? #ukedchat FOFO reminds me off SKIVE - Social Knowledge In Various Environments and DOSS - Directed Outdoor Social Studies #ukedchat #ukedchat Teachers must always lead the activity of learning, but children sometimes learn best when they are finding out for themselves. #ukedchat To promote & build independent learning skills, you've got to know when to step off! Took me ages to learn that one. Not to say that AfL, markschemes and success criteria aren't useful; far from it, they're fantastic for US! Just not pupils #UKEdChat Ch need to be aware of how to ask questions and where to find the answers. Tech helps but theyll always need a back up #ukedchat @jonburdon @SimonBainbridge @sfrench21 Be carfeful about choice of LP. Easy for whom? The teachers? #ukedchat #ukedchat @CliveBuckley - ok - but the process doean't happen in total isolation #ukedchat @CliveBuckley - ok - but the process doean't happen in total isolation

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elisobeth tim7168 frogphilp

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does independant learning have to involve access to ICT? How would you get around little to no access? Ideas PLZ #ukedchat does independant learning have to involve access to ICT? How would you get around little to no access? Ideas PLZ #ukedchat @MusicMediaMad A$l, markschemes and success criteria are fantastic for pupils too, but only if they're done properly... :-) #ukedchat @MusicMediaMad A$l, markschemes and success criteria are fantastic for pupils too, but only if they're done properly... :-) #ukedchat @tim7168 Get them all to choose and read a fiction book individually. Then share with each other what they'e read and learned. #ukedchat @SusanElkinJourn transition issues are just delayed then it appears. Same school all the way through? Or hormones the issue? #ukedchat @KnikiDavies I think 2ndary schools can learn a lot from primary here; students seem to lose the enthusiasm in about Y8... #ukedchat RT "@jonburdon: @SimonBainbridge @sfrench21 Try DB Primary it's very easy" Yep thats the point the need to be easy to use! #ukedchat SO...and don't lynch me here people, where does testing and assessment fit into this collaborative and engaged classroom? #ukedchat When we start a new topic, we don't do "title page" - we do mind map: "What I know; What my table knows; What I want to find out." #ukedchat @Catriona_O And yes I do like Piaget! #ukedchat I've recently changed from horse shoe chairs to groups. Encourages students to ask each other qs #ukedchat RT @LeeMarkDavies: FOFO.... last three initials = Off (and) Find Out #ukedchat ah.. FLOUNCE Off and Find Out. of course! :-) @Natty08 #ukedchat Teaching how to fail well - great idea! RT @andywhiteway: #ukedchat homework *is* bizarre at secondary. Do 6/7 small disparate pieces of work at home a week. Why not do 1 really well. RT @MusicMediaMad: Not to say that AfL, markschemes and success criteria aren't useful; far from it, they're fantastic for US! Just not pupils #UKEdChat RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat being an independent learner means giving children skills to acquire own knowledge when you're not around @deerwood @colport @frogphilp. #ukedchat Tricky. Parents want to protect from failure always. In SEN they want to protect from everything

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KnikiDavies CliveBuckley MissD_Eng Creativeedu BenRogersOVA boondocksYEAH

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Paddymcgrath KShaw1977 Natty08

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#ukedchat surely everybody has the skills to acquire new knowledge. Don't see why we have this concept of an independent learner #ukedchat Independent learners need sensitive adults that can guide and NOT lead learning! I also like things like what are the positives, negatives and interesting points? This leads to some good thinking. #ukedchat @KnikiDavies I do this too, but I wonder if I should do a 'what my teacher will tell me' and 'what I will teach my teacher' #ukedchat @Natty08 Agree. Learning from making mistakes is essential. Fear of failure should be obsolete. #ukedchat #ukedchat maybe this independent learning is just about signposting where chn's interests' info can be found.that's simple enough RT @jonburdon: @Creativeedu what would non standard issues homework look like? #ukedchat #ukedchat Think I am lucky to have been trained at a time when 'learning by discovery' was the ideology. Not constrained with over testing! #ukedchat Don't know if this is bad form, but here's my blog post about starting to teach learning skills. http://bit.ly/lfUXPh @Grevster73 @innerquest But I do think the product matters too. #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA @Natty08 I quote Beckett at my class a lot. "Try. Fail. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." #ukedchat @rogerbilling Good point - a lot of groundwork is being put in place that needs to continue as the child's education does #ukedchat web2.0has nurtured participation in young people but also enabled them to learn independently eg. v-blogs &youtube vids e-learning #ukedchat Should have introduced myself before barging in on conversations! Director of online resource for schools 1st visit to #ukedchat v. engaging @cherrylkd very true and fear of failure strong in many SEN learners, hey why aren't I following you? #ukedchat @KnikiDavies @rjpritchard that sounds great - how do you keep kids motivated in long term projects? #UKEdChat @Catriona_O Agreed! #ukedchat #ukedchat Also important to give ch time to reflect and evaluate learning as well as the process of learning. Learning to learn. @Reid_Robert @twolifetimes yes - throw spoon away! #ukedchat 10yr old daughter tells me which teacher spoonfeeds her in school + hates it #ukedchat The easiest mistake in the world for teachers is to 'spoonfeed' children, we've all done it at some point! Page 39 of 63

GaryAveryICT sdisbury davidhunter Creativeedu ePaceonline

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MrAColley SusanElkinJourn KnikiDavies bevevans22

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In2schools deerwood Creativeedu CliveBuckley hairbyslice

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stuartaris

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ICTmagic

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rogerbilling

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Catriona_O frogphilp SimonBainbridge

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RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat being an independent learner means giving children skills to acquire own knowledg… (cont) http://deck.ly/~9tVes Parental involvement is important. They like to see a task & a clear result. Must communicate what independent working is about. #ukedchat RT @passionateaboot: @Grevster73 #ukedchat when you adopt the 'primary' style and philosophy, secondary kids love it. Secy teachers can learn lots from primary #ukedchat - were would we stand now,as adult professional learners if we understood ind. learning as s'thing done by us as individuals 4 us? @BenRogersOVA Agree with that. Failure has been the best thing that has happened to me. #ukedchat @KempsterD #ukedchat It needs to be easy to use for both children and students alike. I have seen this as an outsider looking in! :-) @SusanElkinJourn I agree, thr is a place 4 product, it depends on the purpose, but as a learning tool not 2 pleae R "masters" #ukedchat We do Opening Minds with yr 7 - teachers take a back seat and students collaborate on projects. We coach but don't give solutions #ukedchat @CreativeEdu @rjpritchard Well it's their homework,but they love it,they cheered when I told them they were doing a space project! #ukedchat @ikeontoast #ukedchat yes!!!! I'm a big believer in peer assessment and target setting too. Builds on students sense of learning together and cuts down marking #ukedchat #ukedchat Is ind. learning better suited to some pupils? How do we encourage chn to *want* to be ind. learners? @bucharesttutor It doesn't bare thinking about! #ukedchat #ukedchat Some inspirational teachers on here tonight. Have any of you ever done or thought of doing MLDP? Q - why are we asking about independent learning in children? What works best for you? Is it so different? #ukedchat RT @SusanElkinJourn: @Grevster73 @innerquest But I do think the product matters too. #ukedchat < but process is often missing! Any field visits get students to prepare a presentation on their learning to rest of year. Bring fieldwork home, vid, pics, audio #ukedchat @passionateaboot For me language of learning is very important key #ukedchat @cherrylkd @deerwood @colport @frogphilp #ukedchat Perhaps the idea of failure is too final. Better to say not done yet? @SimonBainbridge ditto #ukedchat Page 40 of 63

innerquest

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fhesbusiness

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KnikiDavies Maireths MissD_Eng twolifetimes ICTmagic passionateaboot CliveBuckley

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Grevster73

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JOHNSAYERS mummynotyummy BenRogersOVA ElKel99

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theokk ikeontoast CliveSir frogphilp bevevans22 nellmog JOHNSAYERS MissD_Eng ginsterginster nellmog

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@ldeacon no - have you seen Roeg's Walkabout? #ukedchat RT @stuartaris: RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat being an independent learner means giving children skills to acquire own knowledg… (cont) http://deck.ly/~9tVes All learning is independent. #ukedchat @bevevans22 testing ans assessment prepares children for stressful situations in working life. #ukedchat @In2schools Thanks for joining us. I hope you're enjoying your first #ukedchat session - you'll find it's addictive @passionateaboot its not our place to sugar coat the world. Part of being an independent learner is learning to deal with issues #ukedchat Have a look at the TEEP cycle a fab way to incorporate independent learning collaboration #ukedchat RT @mattbuxton10: Never answer a question, always ask what they think & how they're going to find out!! #ukedchat @frogphilp #UKEdChat actually I think creativity is the overarching process to be developed in pupils @passionateaboot feedback has a vital and important role in the learning loop but thing going wrong often preempts this #ukedchat @frogphilp but in a more practical 'hands on' learning environment how can we make assessment really useful and informative? #ukedchat @catmill no not tried it, won't switch now but will try next week #ukedchat @ElKel99 Thanks, you too! Have to go out now and bit miffed to be leaving #ukedchat @Mummynotyummy what languagw would you ban? promote most strongly? #ukedchat Some people used to think that ind learning using ICT was a child being fed info through 'learning system'. How I laughed #ukedchat @ldeacon Libraries, if they havent all been closed :o( #ukedchat @squiggle7 Think you'll like Twitterfall then. Have you tried it? I find it easiest on my laptop. Huge volume on #ukedchat tonight. @bevevans22 Testing the Ss can be done when they are caught unawares n assessments can be done to test them periodically #ukedchat Does 'google' help with independent learning? or lazy learning? #ukedchat #ukedchat it has boosted confidence in students wanting to and being able to present as feel part if team helps, eases burden. @theokk No I haven't...got a link? #ukedchat

bevevans22 squiggle7 mummynotyummy jonburdon KempsterD KnikiDavies catmill

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craftyslh

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we encourage BTEC students to try again, then ask 2 other students before asking teacher for help. Traffic light cups help. #ukedchat True. Maybe we should be talking about self-initiated learning? RT @CliveSir: All learning is independent. #ukedchat Brought in IB Mid Yrs Prog. Pupils much better ind learners. How? Wide focus of unit q & non restrictive mark criteria in advance #ukedchat @passionateaboot ,having time to talk to children about what & how they are learning. And what next step is #ukedchat @bevevans22 Assessment is key to work out where kids are and move on, testing is divisive if schools are judged solely on outcome. #ukedchat @boondocksYEAH @andywhiteway #ukedchat - homework - a completely different issue. have you looked at FLIP? @CliveBuckley you're so right. We're all learners too. I find the best way to learn is to try, get it wrong, and try again. #UKEdChat RT @BenRogersOVA: @cherrylkd @deerwood @colport @frogphilp #ukedchat Perhaps the idea of failure is too final. Better to say not done yet? independent learning prepares ch for work or university - extremely important they have to learn from scratch in later life #ukedchat @sharland ;-) #ukedchat @KnikiDavies @frogphilp @Educationchat @bucharesttutor nice to hear some positives about assessment #ukedchat @bevevans22 Can see it is addictive, just need to learn to keep up with the pace! #ukedchat RT @TeacherTalks: Am sure this has been said, but independent learning is about knowing what to do at those moments when you don't know what to do #ukedchat @ICTmagic Keep trying Martin my man after all Rome was not built in a day #ukedchat @colport an independent learner would know when to use google and when wolfram alpha #ukedchat I Agree! RT @ElKel99: @Mean_Teacher which goes back to them knowing how to learn and having teachers that let them take risks #ukedchat As a great profession we need to trust our own judgement to support our children as we see fit, ignoring or working round rubbish #ukedchat #ukedchat anyone think learning should be more prescriptive in foundation stage #devil'sadvocate (hides and runs for cover)

tim7168

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mummynotyummy

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Educationchat Catriona_O Creativeedu

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frankieDMD colport bevevans22 In2schools pasturesgreener bucharesttutor deerwood Mean_Teacher

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tim7168

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stuckonhomework frogphilp Notadwarf

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RT @ginsterginster: @frogphilp #UKEdChat actually I think creativity is the overarching process to be developed in pupils @frankieDMD learning how to learn is as important as what they learn, we need to give them the tools to become lifelong learners #ukedchat @colport Google helps. If you Google right #gct #ukedchat http://bit.ly/crGcZY RT @StaffsGA: #ukedchat How do develop independent thinkers. Those that challenge and will not accept blindness to anything? @Grevster73 @susanelkinjourn #ukedchat I've taught 5 - 18 year olds straight through same school - makes a massive difference @bevevans22 #ukedchat Used well, give chn motivation to improve weak areas and be proud of their achievements eg improving test scores @colport a student would be an independent learner if they went past the first ten results :-) ! #ukedchat I also like this is the answer what is the question type things. It leads to thinking and hits all abilities in one go :) #ukedchat @craftyslh Traffic light cups? #ukedchat @KempsterD Ooops #ukedchat It needs to be easy to use for both Teachers and students alike. I have seen this as an outsider looking in! Is there such a thing as independent teaching or teaching for I.L. or does it all need to be learner initiated #UKEdChat #ukedchat by definition of league table there will always be a Top and Bottom! Who wants to be bottom? League Tables DOES NOT equal learning @twolifetimes Surely it is all about stimulating their interests. If children are interested they will be more involved. #ukedchat @bevevans22 It's been a reasonable week for KS2 Sats. Can't always knock them... #ukedchat - It's not SATs that are bad, it's league tables. @craftyslh traffic light cups sound exciting? We have Brain, Buddy, Book, before Teacher. #ukedchat @SimonBainbridge I would say it was about ease of use not about being easy. Easy LPs tend to be very poor #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat Depends what you do with the results. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a friut and all that! @sdisbury It is the only time in lives when we put so much pressure on failing or they do themselves. Sad really! #ukedchat The imp thing is not so much that every child shd be taught, as that every child shd be given the wish to learn~John Lubbock

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KnikiDavies sharland Natty08 twolifetimes SimonBainbridge Creativeedu mikallaane

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grokbox bucharesttutor cambridgepreu

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elisobeth Catriona_O ICTmagic Laura_987

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@davidhunter Or teaching them how to find it themselves - teach a man to fish and all that! #ukedchat @bevevans22 @KnikiDavies @frogphilp @Educationchat am glad that I could be of help #ukedchat RT @frankieDMD: independent learning prepares ch for work or university - extremely important they have to learn from scratch in later life #ukedchat RT @stuckonhomework: @frankieDMD learning how to learn is as important as what they learn, we need to give them the tools to become lifelong learners #ukedchat @CliveBuckley thought you might:-) #ukedchat! @Mummynotyummy I agree. Very important that children know how they learn and how they do it best. #ukedchat All learning is independent. You can't learn something for someone else.Are we not talking about independent working/research etc? #ukedchat @jonburdon I would ban work and replace with learning. Get rid of goal (implies the end) and use next step. #ukedchat @colport We bury head in sand if we don't recognise value of Google, but need to teach how to use it effectively! #ukedchat Thurs = #lrnchat, #ukedchat and #bbcqt ..... not a bad day at all @ginsterginster Agree. I looked at what creativity is a few years ago and thought "that's independence, that is...!" #ukedchat #ukedchat assessment is only useful if it is used to help the learner learn, shouldn't be used as judgement. Helps, but should only be a part of learning #ukedchat @colport @In2schools are you using twitterfall or similar? that helps with #UKEdChat YES. RT @Catriona_O: @LeahJames21 you are so right #ukedchat. HOW TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS is a critical function in any learning @MrAColley @n8ngrimm @MissD_Eng So, does this promote 'independent learning'? (@SusanElkinJourn ) - I think so! #ukedchat :-0 @deerwood. :#ukedchat Ha ha! Need a catch up! Get students invloved when planning assignments, tasks etc #ukedchat. RT @stuartaris: #ukedchat as an adult I learn best when it is facilitated and not directed @TomSale why should it be different for children.. independent learning prepares ch for work or university - extremely important they dont have to learn from scratch in later life #ukedchat @LeahJames21 you are so right #ukedchat. HOW TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS is a critical function in any learning Page 44 of 63

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LeahJames21 stuartaris

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@In2schools I'm still learning how to keep up and I've been here a few times now :) #ukedchat #ukedchat as an adult I learn best when it is facilitated and not directed @TomSale why should it be different for children.. #ukedchat is moving into it's final 15 minutes. Any final thoughts or ideas to share on creating independent learners? @Catriona_O What is FLIP pls? #ukedchat split a book. A chapter to groups they summarise, create song, words, pics, key terms split a carpet inner tube. kids tell story! #ukedchat @colport Yes of course Google can help. Who'd be without it? But it isn't be-all and end-all of learning. Just a starting point. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu that's the one ;o) #ukedchat @CreativeEdu I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. (Edison) #ukedchat RT @Educationchat We bury head in sand if we don't recognise value of Google, but need to teach how to use it effectively! #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley: @CreativeEdu I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. (Edison) #ukedchat @davidhunter v good point #ukedchat #ukedchat it has to move away from what is the right answer to what are the right questions @Mummynotyummy all sounds good stuff re: language of learning. is this based on study of N.L.P.? do you have further ideas? #ukedchat Teaching children to think for themselves, developing learning skills. Too easy I/ we give them the answer. Must remember not too #ukedchat @frankieDMD absolutely, am always encouraging my teens to look things up for themselves to get into good habits #ukedchat @Joeleppington I think there are key things children need to know by the time they leave EY and KS1 - days, birthday for e.g. #ukedchat @deerwood #ukedchat I'm only just becoming aware of PLN: need to know more. @ePaceonline Learner learning agreed but also keep notice of the fact that the student progresses every other time #ukedchat RT @JOHNSAYERS: split a book. A chapter to groups they summarise, create song, words, pics, key terms split a carpet inner tube. kids tell story! #ukedchat Discussion is important - How would we get that answer, if they can explain they normally remember. Method is important #ukedchat

bevevans22 hoopers1 JOHNSAYERS

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SusanElkinJourn LeeMarkDavies CliveBuckley Future_Schools LeahJames21 Catriona_O stuartaris jonburdon

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LeeMarkDavies

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@innerquest: @LeeMarkDavies Don't fear the Andragogy matey ; ) ~ oh, I don't fear anything that doesn't exist, matey!! #ukedchat @twolifetimes Traffic light cups = Red, Green and Yellow drink cups to identify, Green=fine, Yellow=unsure, Red=can't continue. #ukedchat @frogphilp Okay - understood. I would hate to be in an area where league tables ruled the roost #ukedchat RT @frankieDMD: independent learning prepares ch for work or university -extremely important they dont have to learn later in life #ukedchat @ICTmagic @Mummynotyummy #ukedchat, agreed involving pupils in and teaching them about learning is vital. @Educationchat @colport and safely :) #ukedchat @bevevans22 Continous challenges keeping them in their toes and of course making it interesting at the same time #ukedchat Given opportunities for creative thinking & learning is imp. Give them a stimulating problem to solve & let them figure it out. #ukedchat #ukedchat I think TASC can help provide a structure for more child led lessons. Not perfect but good starting point. http://t.co/imwyBM0 For any #ukedchat newbies who are interested on using Twitter to build a PLN: http://youtu.be/3tT6N_8wcn4 this video is good RT @grokbox agreed. That's gotta be done as part of the process.might canvas next yr's class and sort a web repository #ukedchat What is the role of AfL, and Blooms Tax? The latter does not have a major role within UK, but US school rely on! #ukedchat @bevevans22 Teacher as faciliator, discussion, teaching of social skills and how to be nice, be a role model of the above #ukedchat @craftyslh And they put them on the table in front of them? I love that! #ukedchat We need to stimulate discussions between learners, old and young, producing a learning environment in our schools & communities #ukedchat #UKEdChat we all learn independently but expect everyone else to learn in same way - some teachers don't get that #ukedchat I'm not a teacher, my sis is tho, i'm here seeing what this is like, I'll be telling her to get involved! Fantastic forum guys @LeahJames21 Very valid, and important point (reminds me of the story of searching for 'Egyptian jugs' - say no more!) #ukedchat Page 46 of 63

ePaceonline LeahJames21 bucharesttutor

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colport

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I am concluding that 'independent learning' is virtually impossible when we HAVE to teach such a narrow curriculum :-( #ukedchat Go for it guys MT @bevevans22: Fr any #ukedchat newbies who are interested on using Twitter to build a PLN: http://is.gd/PlVjW1 good video @bevevans22 children will follow your expectations as long as fair. This all helps have an independent learner. #ukedchat Remember MLE's Managed Learning Environments - what a great idea - managing learning! #ukedchat @bevevans22 you assess how the skills are used and the effectiveness of the skills selected. Students justify use their thinking #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: For any #ukedchat newbies who are interested on using Twitter to build a PLN: http://youtu.be/3tT6N_8wcn4 this video is good RT @mr_tchn: Current exam specs inhibit ind learning as too prescriptive. Why would pupils learn more, it only threatens their results. #ukedchat #ukedchat Assessment must be useful otherwise what's the point?Chdn keen to learn/improve if aware of next step! Most want to be challenged! RT @bucharesttutor: Continuous challenges keeping them in their toes & of course making it interesting at the same time #ukedchat agreed! RT @rogerbilling: We need to stimulate discussions between learners, old and young, producing a learning environment in our schools & communities #ukedchat is it me or is #UKEdChat more fast and furious than ever this evening? RT @ICTmagic: Given opportunities for creative thinking & learning is imp. Give them a stimulating problem to solve & let them figure it out. #ukedchat if everyone in #ukedchat clicks #poems4players tonight and RTs the big tweet my kids might just get a comment :) Balancing choice with structure, facilitation with management...these are the main challenges I reckon. #ukedchat @LeahJames21 Thanks for the re-assurance it won't come anytime soon!! #ukedchat so much of what we discuss in #ukedchat comes back to AiFL - it really is very simple @bevevans22 ensure that you value all their work and discuss how they could do better. have high expectations of yourself #ukedchat @bevevans22 I just got a DHT position because my presentation dealt with how to create independent learners. It's dead important! #ukedchat

Natty08 CliveBuckley JOHNSAYERS

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ePaceonline innerquest

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@bevevans22 #ukedchat there are so many fantastic contributions and ideas tonight it is difficult to catch up. @LeeMarkDavies Sooo..you don't see a difference between children's learning and adult learning? Ahh, so did I once ; ) #ukedchat Current exam specs inhibit ind learning as too prescriptive. Why would pupils learn more, it only threatens their results. #ukedchat @ RT @Natty08: @bevevans22 Oh and overall let them know it is ok to fail! #ukedchat - yes!! Definitely okay to fail!!! RT @ikeontoast: if everyone in #ukedchat clicks #poems4players tonight and RTs the big tweet my kids might just get a comment :) RT @tim7168: Agree > RT @CliveSir: Encouraging curiosity in the child encourages learning, independent or otherwise #ukedchat @LeahJames21 IT WASN'T ME - But the google image results were scary ;-) #ukedchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat that's just what I needed. Thanks. @jamesrpearson - send her over! #ukedchat I must use the #ukedchat hashtag I must use the #ukedchat hasgtag I must use the #ukedchat hasgtag I must use the #ukedchat hasgtag @ldeacon you need in a class a min of 3 to get it up and running effectively I have found #ukedchat @bevevans22 Oh and overall let them know it is ok to fail! #ukedchat @Natty08 High expectations of ourselves and our pupils is a key feature. Worth remembering we are all learners #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA that could be a gd topic for #ukedchat @colport can tell u where to submit it or there's @bevevans22 link to video @colport that made me giggle!!!! I can imagine what you may have found! #ukedchat However, results aren't going to cut it any more, companies will want rounded individuals #ukedchat @mr_tchn @mr_tchn #ukedchat As in when children state that the earth is an oblate spheroid and examiners mark it wrong! RT @ZafAslam: Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Let me do it and I understand. #ukedchat. @CreativeEdu My first real #ukedchat and it's manic! I can't keep up! @Educationchat Sorry, that was the point I was making, especially with how this new lot are behaving :-s #ukedchat #ukedchat I know a lot teachers who r afraid 2 take risks with their lessons 2allow independent learning 2take place.out of comfort zone

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rbnpepper colport BenRogersOVA jackieschneider janeconsidine JOHNSAYERS Natty08 bevevans22

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Calie77 In2schools

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#ukedchat Open-ended creative/explorative tasks to get them to think, and then think some more. @stuartaris @CreativeEdu Join the club! but just been told twitterfall will make this part of my life much easier... #ukedchat James Dyson wants people who join his company to know how to deal with failure and to tackle this head on. Not 10+ GCSE students #ukedchat @Sophisimus traffic light cups are a great easy indicator. My 16-19 year olds love them. They do like building towers too. #ukedchat Independence starts with scaffolding then gradually remove until they can do it themselves; whatever it is!! #ukedchat #ukedchat #UKEdChat give kids the opportunity to plan lessons and teach them and instinctively they create opportunities for independent learning http://ajmccarthynz.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/blogging-aboutthe-11-classroom-personal-learning-networks/ on PLNs is good #ukedchat @CreativeEdu its probably the all of us including @bevevans22 because of which all of us are all equally charged up #ukedchat Let them get on with it, get it wrong & make them try again - some think you're an awful teacher...at first #ukedchat @colport Disagree. Our present curriculum is not actually that narrow, but worried new Tory one might be... #ukedchat @Catriona_O: RT so much of what we discuss in #ukedchat comes back to AiFL - it really is very simple <very true RT @quirkytech: @colport Blooms is part of US education but not used rigorously. #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat It's possible to trim the curriculum and leave room for tangential learning but the pace is pretty exhausting! RT @bevevans22: RT @Natty08: @bevevans22 Oh and overall let them know it is ok to fail! #ukedchat - yes!! Definitely okay to fail!!! @BenRogersOVA You're very welcome. Great to see you joining us for #ukedchat @quirkytech Thank you! Not part of UK education AT ALL #ukedchat Is it a good model to follow, in your opinion? #ukedchat just seen hwrk being written on blog by a Y5 about a dream sch "We would take control of our learning,+decide what 2learn about" #ukedchat @mummynotyummy #ukedchat Absolutely - and how aware are teachers of the language they use and the impact it can have on others? Page 49 of 63

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rbnpepper

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KShaw1977 LizLearning JOHNSAYERS Creativeedu Mean_Teacher bevevans22 BenRogersOVA ePaceonline passionateaboot theokk rogerbilling magsamond cambridgepreu jackieschneider In2schools mr_tchn ZoeRoss19 CliveBuckley tutor2u_econ hairbyslice

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RT @TeacherTalks: Am sure this has been said, but independent learning is about knowing what to do at those moments when you don't know what to do #ukedchat RT @colport: I am concluding that 'independent learning' is virtually impossible when we HAVE to teach such a narrow curriculum :-( #ukedchat #ukedchat Skills based learning through chdn's interests with their help with planning/challenges will surely encourage independent learning RT@stuartaris @CreativeEdu My first real #ukedchat and it's manic! I can't keep up! > I know the feeling! @Educationchat @colport I've got a simple step guide to use timeline and wonderwheel if you want? #ukedchat RT @quirkytech Thank you! Not part of UK education AT ALL #ukedchat Is it a good model to follow, in your opinion? <big Q! @Natty08 An introduction to this is the first session every Year 7 has on their first Citizenship Day! #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: @colport Disagree. present curric. not actually narrow, bt worried new Tory 1 might be... #ukedchat - that's a discussion @CreativeEdu #ukedchat thanks! @bevevans22 @Natty08 #ukedchat think I enjoy learning now more than ever. Is it because I can now learn independently instead of being told? #ukedchat How do teachers model independent learning? @ldeacon #ukedchat http://is.gd/tuLYQO (learning) to survive in outback - and cultural lerarning Can also be down to poor leadership #ukedchat @sfrench21 RT @ElKel99: @craftyslh independent does not mean alone in my book, it means not being spoonfed by teacher and learning collaboratively #ukedchat How can exam boards support independent learning? #ukedchat RT @tomhenzley: just seen hwrk being written on blog by a Y5 about a dream sch "We would take control of our learning,+decide what 2learn about" #ukedchat @colport I would have to agree... #ukedchat @rogerbilling but not the universities! #ukedchat RT @KempsterD: James Dyson wants people to know how to deal with failure and to tackle this head on. Not 10+ GCSE students #ukedchat @Catriona_O But when do your 'Ah ha' moments come? 'ukedchat Tim Harford's new book is superb on failure and importance of adaptation #ukedchat http://is.gd/juQhnH #ukedchat Not all of the current curriculum is prescriptive and boring. Much of it still gives scope for exciting, independent learning IMO. Page 50 of 63

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@colport yeh i bet hehe! I could imagine!! :) #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS Drop the link into #ukedchat and I'd love to look RT @TeacherToolkit: #ukedchat Independent learning is all about AfL. The problem remains, how to make assessment & descriptors "engaging" @cambridgepreu by allowing pupils to submit coursework using blogs/ podcasts and so on #ukedchat Not sure exams don't test independence; I have kids who write great essays with scaffolding, but can't do it on their own in hall! #ukedchat How on earth have I missed #ukedchat again?!!! Sorry all - next week I won't work and will join in :-) gave pri ch w/e research re new geog topics before a Mon start with 1 Q eg 'what is Kenya' #ukedchat @passionateaboot #ukedchat I tell chn I've been to conferences, say "Ooh, I don't know the answer, let's look it up." Genuine interest shows @In2schools Will have to look into twitterfall for next time - thanks #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat disagree.there's always something new that can be learned/added to the mix whatever the topic/curr area But again, is Uni going to be the only way forward any more, look how many grads can't get jobs! #ukedchat @mr_tchn @bevevans22 @Natty08 I always quote King Bruce "Try and Try till you succeed" #ukedchat this is my inspiration for life @CliveSir Curiosity breeds curiosity and that's something we can work with as educators. #ukedchat still struggling with the #ukedchat interpretations of ind. learning. For me it's NOT about doing it on ur own @ePaceonline @Natty08 Maybe that is the case. interesting thought - thanks #ukedchat RT @web20education: BBC News - Teenagers must stick at English and maths – #edtech20 #edchat #ukedchat #elemchat #lrnchat #elt #efl http://t.co/DjlPks1 @JOHNSAYERS 2 yrs running I've had the classic clash with ICT lessons so difficult to impossible most of the time :( #ukedchat @colport I agree! be harder now to pass over the learning to the ch when we have to teach certain facts and figures? It's pants! #ukedchat RT @chrisrat: How on earth have I missed #ukedchat again?!!! Sorry all - next week I won't work and will join in :-) - you say that now... @innerquest nope - only the context - hence vocational pedagogy, andragogy so 70s #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @bevevans22 Oh I like that one, I may use that in class. #ukedchat Page 51 of 63

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colport Primageographer

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@davidhunter at the moment, yes! Future plan = no and narrow! #ukedchat also recognised role of outdoor play as valid HW e.g. map diary of friends and places + energy surveys to do at home #ukedchat Why would any government want to have an edu system so divorced from the world of work where creative thinking is vital? Grrr! #ukedchat Top tech and business people talk about the importance of failing http://bit.ly/kTBTP4 #ukedchat RT @calie77: #ukedchat Open-ended creative/explorative tasks to get them to think, and then think some more. - that's what we want! RT @colport: I am concluding that 'independent learning' is virtually impossible when we HAVE 2 teach such a narrow curriculum :-( #ukedchat Few people have touched on the importance of failure. unavoidable but Ind learners are resilient and use it to their advantage. #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher at the moment, yes! Future plan = no and narrow! #ukedchat RT @passionateaboot: #ukedchat How do teachers model independent learning?< not on twitter! we're in it together here, obvs!> Model it with your own staff, make it visible in school, for the children and because it is the way forward #ukedchat @passionateaboot Said this before. Content of the curriculum is not a real problem, it's how we teach it #ukedchat #sadbuttrue @mr_tchn: Current exam specs inhibit ind learning as too prescrip. Why would pupils learn more,only threatens results. #ukedchat RT @LizLearning: RT@stuartaris @CreativeEdu My first real #ukedchat and it's manic! I can't keep up! > I know the feeling! RT @KShaw1977: #ukedchat Skills based learning through chdn's interests with their help with planning/challenges will surely encourage independent learning #ukedchat an independent learner is someone who can learn when you're not there to help Have to go - thanks for the fish #ukedchat When right skills underpin them, independent learners construct their own meaning; generic skills leads to substantive knowledge #ukedchat @ICTmagic I can think of many countries where creativity in the currioculum is undervalued - not just UK #ukedchat #sadbuttrue and it is about to get even narrower :( @colport #ukedchat

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tutor2u_econ colport mr_tchn LeahJames21 In2schools colport colport ElKel99 davidhunter BenRogersOVA

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@Catriona_O I agree, often people talk about self directed learning and independent learning, but theoretically different - #ukedchat RT @DeputyHeadDunn: If anyone would like a free chapter from 'How to be an Outstanding Primary School Teacher', please RT! #ukedchat @tim7168 Absolutely :) #ukedchat @hairbyslice I agree, it's the culture in some schools bred by league tables and narrow Ofsted criteria which are the problem IMO #ukedchat @ukedchat great #ukedchat thanks for helping me write my feature, all. @graemefowler yep- a life skill! pupils (esp girls?) are often scared of getting things wrong-I like to show them how it's done ;) #ukedchat RT @innerquest: Exposure to more content in VLEs is not independent learning, it's just exposure to more content in VLEs #ukedchat 16-18 Syllabuses don't have to be followed slavishly - if pupils see you striking out and taking risks often times they respond #ukedchat RT @mbrayford: @bevevans22 Good point, constantly tell children when I have learned something new #ukedchat agreed, it's so critical - "risk" is another missing term RT @Reid_Robert: Few people have touched on the importance of failure. #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS @colport aw I love Bono's thinking hats!! Great to develop ch thinking esp in a group #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher @KempsterD Not sure they want to be spoon fedmore that that is what they are used too...? #ukedchat @davidhunter and Latin ;-) #ukedchat @chrisrat I will be watching as well! Special about writing next week http://bit.ly/jOROBn #ukedchat RT @colport: I am concluding that 'independent learning' is virtually impossible when we HAVE to teach such a narrow curriculum :-( #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat at least we'll know about British history ;) @Catriona_O #ukedchat in my mind, indep learning happens when students set their own goals and set about achieving them. It is vital, but we could talk about CCE paying a University to see if they could find a way to assess Creativity! #ukedchat @ICTmagic :-( Need a breather from #UKEdChat? Have a laugh at this dancing head and his merry men! http://bit.ly/m8KyZD RT @bevevans22: Next week is a special #ukedchat about writing http://bit.ly/jOROBn Don't forget to join us for this

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Maireths bucharesttutor bevevans22 cambridgepreu TeacherToolkit Creativeedu SimonBainbridge colport Mean_Teacher rogerbilling hairbyslice LeahJames21 frankieDMD bucharesttutor JOHNSAYERS andyhoyland Mean_Teacher hairysporran

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How about involving parents more in aiding independent learning practicing skills at home. Student blogging definite plus for it #ukedchat #ukedchat encouraging independent learning in school and at home is vital for every child @stuckonhomework #ukedchat I always make my class aware when I make a mistake or if I do not know something. We are human after all not super beings :) @Educationchat I don't! LOL! #ukedchat Not a teacher but find #ukedchat fascinating. Bringing teachers together to share tips. Wonders of twitter. more ideas for my twitter disso! #ukedchat got to have skills sometimes taught, not absorbed eg kids love books but most will not learn to read by just exposure to books @CliveBuckley @ICTmagic India is definitely one of them as ICT happens only in high school on #ukedchat Next week is a special #ukedchat about writing http://bit.ly/jOROBn Don't forget to join us for this @hairysporran: good point. we allow blogs, video, ppt for Global Perspectives- need to look at adding podcasts to list.#ukedchat @KempsterD 'Failure is @CliveBuckley me too. Off to the restaurant at the end of the universe (aka the dining room sadly) #UKEdChat #ukedchat Independant learning has the possibility of moulding more better entrepreneurs and business people in the future! @lucytobin :-) back scratching! Have you seen #ukedchat topic for next week? http://bit.ly/jOROBn Girls better at indeppendent learning??? #ukedchat Still, we can all do it creatively! #ukedchat @davidhunter @tim7168 #ukedchat I know! Ofsted fear! #ukedchat Im sure I read somewhere how a country in Asia teach how to learn rather than fed information and they have better results. Gove?! @stuckonhomework - that will continue to serve them in school and out #ukedchat @bevevans22 you bet I will join you next week as well #ukedchat this was a fun chat tonight “@lucytobin: @ukedchat great #ukedchat thanks for helping me write my feature, all.― thank you for promoting:) Not a teacher any more but I'm really enjoying the #ukedchat thread at the moment. @passionateaboot That's a really good question!! I'm thinking........ #ukedchat #ukedchat @Mean_Teacher no i find it changes depending on age

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@BenRogersOVA OK - but can you sustain that and maintain a cooperative working env?Are goals individ or collective? #ukedchat Does the way your SLT talk about change affect your classroom approach to developing independence? http://bit.ly/g7gHTH #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Model the fact that learning does not go from zero to perfect instantly. Don't be afraid not to know the answer #ukedchat #ukedchat Thanks folks - after 4 days training with National College, I came home inspired, and tonight's discussion has left me buzzing. @ElKel99 Ahh, but who remembers the first NC of 1986 and the 24 odd folders!! brrrr.... #ukedchat And your conclusions on the #ukedchat topic tonight? And your conclusions on the #ukedchat topic tonight? #ukedchat Phew! Busy tonight! Anyone else seen that Not the 9 O'Clock News 'Songs of Praise' sketch? ;) Joking, joking..... RT @TeacherToolkit: @KempsterD 'Failure is @EliteeventsKing @andyross75 Have you heard about @ukedchat ? Every Thursday on Twitter 8-9pm @ikeontoast #ukedchat, this sums it up neatly really, it's helping the pupils to fly on their own. RT @SimonBainbridge: #ukedchat Independent learning has possibility of moulding more/better entrepreneurs & business people in the future! @LeahJames21 They are so creative in the playground. They shouldn't just sit & absorb in class. They could be doing? #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat If this many teachers are spending an hour on a Thursday on this, then we're heading in the right direction. @Primageographer #ukedchat Do parents not do it for them thereby defeating objective. If not, good idea RT @tutor2u_econ: 16-18 Syllabuses don't have to be followed slavishly - if pupils see you striking out and taking risks often times they respond #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS I think you have hit the nail on the head there! I totally agree! #ukedchat A massive thank you, first proper #ukedchat loved it and will be back! #ukedchat - I'm so sad it's nearly over for tonight! Only a few minutes left for tonight's #ukedchat. Let's make them count. Time for final thoughts people! RT @chrisrat: How on earth have I missed #ukedchat again?!!! Sorry all - next week I won't work and will join in :-)

passionateaboot innerquest colport ukedchat MrAColley rogerbilling RedShiftRadioUK ePaceonline bevevans22

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@LeahJames21 So many teachers seem afraid of making mistakes in front of the children particularly when changes are implemented #ukedchat @Notadwarf @StaffsGA #ukedchat teachers shouldn't be scared of pupils challenging them in the classroom, shows they're thinking TripLingo: Personalized Language Learning #edtech20 #edchat #lrnchat #ukedchat #elemchat #elt #efl | @scoopit http://bit.ly/k6O1MR It's helping the children make sense of what they've learnt on their own. along the lines of digital native but digitally naive #ukedchat Curiosity/passion is vital; so lets force kids into #ebacc subjects at 14 & make them stay on until they get Eng/Maths at 19+!?!?! #ukedchat @CliveBuckley I taught in China for 3 years. Creativity is discouraged! Conforming is all important. #ukedchat RT @JenniH68: @colport do we HAVE to teach it?!?! I don't very much! #ukedchat One thing I know is that Gove's ideology of Knowledge Transfer is NOT independent learning. #ukedchat @LeahJames21I love Bono too. Especially 'With or without you'. He does wear a lot of hats doesn't he? #ukedchat #ukedchat @JenniH68 Not yet! #ukedchat If I take one thing away from #ukedchat tonight it is that I will get my students to generate more of the content we use online. @teachertoolkit #ukedchat how can Ofsted grade 4 SM be a success? @teachertoolkit #ukedchat Unfortunately my experience says not. They just wanted to see the SATs results! @musicmind Not a problem - remember you can always catch up on the blog http://bit.ly/9G3tKk or archive http://bit.ly/9AIQN4 #ukedchat @rogerbilling True. Can't be measured = valueless in some people's eyes. #ukedchat Measuring collaboration skill is another one. #ukedchat @ICTmagic definitely I hardly ever have my class sat down. Some lectures I have learnt nothing bcos I have been talked at not with #ukedchat RT @graemefowler: @ZoeRoss19 Remember that later in education being wrong is important - research demands it to validate results. #ukedchat @stuartaris #ukedchat make mistakes all the time some deliberate some not, often say not sure lets lookit up. @Mean_Teacher @colport how else will targets get met? No time for anything else :( :( :( #ukedchat Final thought - we need to believe in our children and involve them in their learning #ukedchat Page 56 of 63

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@colport No - me neither...! #ukedchat @MrAColley Isn't it great. I always come away from #ukedchat sessions feeling inspired and positive! That hour really did fly past #ukedchat #Tinychat 20 - Live video chat rooms, simple and easy #edtech20 #edtools @scoopit http://t.co/ITS4CJb #edtech20 #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat @bevevans22 Thanks for hosting tonight Bev, one of the best ones for a while in my opinion! #ukedchat My fav comment: I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. (Edison) #ukedchat post by @CliveBuckley @colport Continuous assessments n testing on a regular basis irrespective of the results n making it interesting each time #ukedchat @ZoeRoss19 Remember that later in education being wrong is important - research demands it to validate results. #ukedchat @LeahJames21 #ukedchat, this will get you far in your teaching and great you know it now, it takes confidence but it is very productive @cambridgepreu yes universities are now allowing podcast submissions so we dont secondary school boards #ukedchat @Catriona_O It's about knowing how to do it on your own!! #ukedchat @mattharding007 lol!!! Yeh that's his best hat :P #ukedchat Isn't it great how conversations like this really focus us once again on what's important to teach #ukedchat RT @ZafAslam: That hour really did fly past #ukedchat RT @hairysporran: next week get rid of the eggs people get some avatars up :0p #ukedchat <-- agreed. eggs smell Children learn most outside the ed system, so why are we so stuck in it? Informal learning and network groups #ukedchat “@TeacherToolkit: #ukedchat @jonburdon #ukedchat You might like this then http://is.gd/bvB1sZ @rogerbilling great final comment #ukedchat @Maireths So true #ukedchat we dont know all the answers! Note #Gove is reducing role of Ofsted but maintaining role of SATs. Which way of monitoring contributes to independence? #ukedchat Stand back, let them do it on their own no matter how tempting it is to step-in!! #ukedchat next week get rid of the eggs people get some avatars up :0p #ukedchat this #ukedchat and the one on personalisation helps me realise it isn't only me thats foggy on these tihings. Page 57 of 63

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@ElKel99 @Mean_Teacher @bucharesttutor It's all part of the 'accountability' agenda #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat next week - "Getting them to Write" See http://bit.ly/jOROBn for more details <-- looks unmissable ;-) @Natty08 @bevevans22 be free to do that #ukedchat #ukedchat I believe all targets, directives, accountability make direct impact on teachers' capacity to be creative w independent learning RT @Natty08: @bevevans22 Thanks for hosting tonight Bev, one of the best ones for a while in my opinion! #ukedchat Thanks from me too @bevevans22 AAAAARGGGHHHH do I have a mental block about #ukedchat Missed it Again ARGH #ukedchat next week - "Getting them to Write" - See http://bit.ly/jOROBn for more details @colport; @Nicholas3000; @TheHeadsOffice; @kvnmcl; @dughall; @xannov; @Natty08; @LouiW; @grahamcullen all responsible for #ukedchat next wk! Please watch the 2 TED talks mentioned-amazing, inspiring uses of IL http://bit.ly/bRQuUo http://bit.ly/gZaj79 #ukedchat @LeahJames21 You have to ask yourself as a teacher whether you would be happy being a pupil in your class. If no... rethink! #ukedchat Change the way you teach... Don't stand at the front and tell... stand in the middle and listen...#ukedchat @bancomdesign @JOHNSAYERS Think that the discussion of involving parents in independent learning is a whole #ukedchat topic in itself! @stuartaris and it's a shame! Ch should learn from their mistakes not be afraid to make them. We need to model that #ukedchat Thank you #ukedchat @frankieDMD #ukedchat Learning is brilliant! #ukedchat. A marathon tonight. So many interesting thoughts, thanks very much for hosting @bevevans22 @Mean_Teacher not necessarily but think our educ sys plays to their learning preferences, needs to be more experimental &hands on #ukedchat It's 9pm. Hope that #ukedchat got you thinking. Many thanks to @bevevans22 for hosting - Join next week, when the focus is on writing skills Ed bogs fall into diff categories but what are they? Pls help me! Ggl Doc: http://bit.ly/itmgur #ukedchat #edchat @Natty08 Couldn't have said it better, this #ukedchat is easily the best chat I have ever been it. Keep it up @bevevans22 cheers bev enjoy going back through it all. was a good chat #ukedchat Page 58 of 63

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Okay people! It's 9 o'clock!! Thanks for joining in with #ukedchat with a special thanks to all our first timers - hope you'll be back! @colport #ukedchat Yep, and with loads to work on - bet you've got a few new followers tonight! RT @JenniH68: @colport #ukedchat was at high school as a governor trying to convince them we don't have to loo… (cont) http://deck.ly/~32WKi @rogerbilling I sense a drama production coming on #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat next week - "Getting them to Write" See http://bit.ly/jOROBn for more details please post your entries by monday #ukedchat, be enthusiastic Thanks...enjoyed that, now turning off mac as my eyes need to rest - cross eyed coz of #ukedchat RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Learning is brilliant! Poop. Rubbish WLB (no lb) made me forget ukedchat and I was going to say something really really important this week!! lol!! @chris_1974 @stuartaris @ePaceonline @bucharesttutor @Natty08 @rogerbilling Thanks for joining in! #ukedchat RT @KempsterD: Change the way you teach... Don't stand at the front and tell... stand in the middle and listen...#ukedchat and join in! Thanks #ukedchat now back to the marking, glad my focus of self assessment means is the little I do have A great chance to build your online Network. Try to follow #ukedchat contributors for a continuous support network A great chance to build your online Network. Try to follow #ukedchat contributors for a continuous support network @colport @bevevans22 Thank you both for this beauty and all of you for participating #ukedchat Education is what's left when you've forgotten what you've learnt can't remember who said it but they've got it spot-on!! #ukedchat @mr_tchn taking risks is important as a teacher too. It's specified by ofsted but doesn't feel like it's particularly encouraged. #ukedchat @ePaceonline I'm glad I have learnt it early on :) now I can help spread the word #ukedchat That was a really good #ukedchat Only if I get the lead role ! #ukedchat @davidhunter #blekko slash the #semanticweb #edtech20 #socialmedia #web30 #curation #edchat #ukedchat #elemchat | @scoopit http://bit.ly/ktO6PV RT @In2schools: @bancomdesign @JOHNSAYERS Think that the discussion of involving parents in independent learning is a whole #ukedchat topic in itself!

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@bevevans22 thankyou! Only came in half way, but magic (as usual). #ukedchat It's 9pm. Hope that #ukedchat got you thinking. Many thanks to @bevevans22 for hosting - Join next week, when the focus is on writing skills Thanks all, great to have the brain cells moving! Nighty night! #ukedchat RT @Natty08: We teach facts etc. We need to teach how to fail, work in a group, work on our own etc. Aim high but start simple and small. #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley: Wenger and Lave communities of practice worth a read if you don't know of it http://bit.ly/6fPVe #ukedchat @bevevans22 Many thanks! My first #ukedchat and have loved it! Science to go :-( one of the 'lucky' few #ukedchat @stuartaris you'll get hooked! #ukedchat Night! #ukedchat off to order http://bit.ly/f3e2aX 'Why success always starts with failure' appeals :) thanks for the rec @tutor2u_econ #ukedchat Teacher said 'I've run out of things I know to teach' and there are still 10 weeks left of term. What shall I do? #ukedchat @hairysporran I'll ask our team to look at accepting podcasts for Cambridge IGCSE and Pre-U. They may be already! #ukedchat I agree! RT @ZafAslam: That hour really did fly past #ukedchat ukedchat Special - 19 May - Getting them to Write: http://t.co/d9rDgO6 @bevevans22 thank you for a great #ukedchat Thank you @bevevans22 #ukedchat I WILL try to read faster next time (newbie...) @bevevans22 Thanks for hosting. An enjoyable and informative #ukedchat as usual. @bevevans22 well done Bev - thanks & see you next week #ukedchat Thanks for a great #ukedchat, got some exciting half-formed ideas bouncing around now! So sorry I missed #ukedchat Stuff to deal with at home. Will catch up on the archive. Happy end of SATs week KS2 people :) @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat ofsted may say they do that, I don't agree they actually do though. Outcome is all to ofsted RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat next week - "Getting them to Write" See http://bit.ly/jOROBn for more details @mikallaane students being safe & achieving a grade G can be a success for some from troubled backgrounds. Page 60 of 63

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Missed #ukedchat tonight but looks we have sponsors lining up for the Learn4Life SL Island for the next year - still looking for match funds @bancomdesign @JOHNSAYERS Think the discussion of involving parents in independent learning is a whole #ukedchat topic in itself!agreed @Catriona_O I think I will! #ukedchat @ICTmagic I do all the time :) I do not have a long concentration span if I am not interested. Now I remember that for my lessons #ukedchat @bevans22 @colport Thanks for another great #ukedchat Wonderful #curation #edtools nextt week in #edtech20 blog http://edtech20curationprojectineducation.blogspot.com/ #edchat #ukedchat #lrnchat RT @hairbyslice: #ukedchat Learning is brilliant! Many thanks to @bucharesttutor @MrAColley @JenniH68 @ElKel99 @Educationchat @LeahJames21 @davidhunter for #ukedchat ting with me tonight @innerquest nope - I've only worked in teaching adults for over 20 years ..... not a clue what I'm talking about #ukedchat @ElKel99 For me it was about how prescriptive it is within the subjects! #ukedchat @KempsterD Worry about they future in teaching! #ukedchat @bevevans22 @chris_1974 @stuartaris @ePaceonline @bucharesttutor @Natty08 @rogerbilling pleasure is all ours #ukedchat @sfrench21 @teachertoolkit #ukedchat No consistency in Ofsted process They always come with an outcome in mind @MissRMartin have you been following #ukedchat on developing independent learning tonight? @frankieDMD #ukedchat @Catriona_O Yes - see you next week for the writing special #ukedchat :) @stuckonhomework good first #ukedchat also, thanks to @MissD_Eng @Mean_Teacher @JOHNSAYERS @4goggas @In2schools @KnikiDavies @deerwood @quirkytech 4 #ukedchat ting with me :-) Well, from 8 till 9 tweetdeck managed, and then at 21:02 #ukedchat was 'throttled' by its speed. RT @cherrylkd: @bevans22 @colport Thanks for another great #ukedchat Hear, hear! Both inspirational educators. RT @bucharesttutor: @bevevans22 @chris_1974 @stuartaris @ePaceonline @bucharesttutor @Natty08 @rogerbilling pleasure is all ours #ukedchat thanks @bevevans22 for the chat tonight. Gave me lots to think about :) #ukedchat

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Uzi_Q ictregister tonyparkin jamesrpearson

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RT @DeputyHeadDunn: If anyone would like a free chapter from 'How to be an Outstanding Primary School Teacher', please RT! #ukedchat RT @ldeacon: Thanks...enjoyed that, now turning off mac as my eyes need to rest - cross eyed coz of #ukedchat RT @ldeacon: Thanks...enjoyed that, now turning off mac as my eyes need to rest - cross eyed coz of #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: @colport #ukedchat If this many teachers are spending an hour on a Thursday on this, then we're heading in the right direction. RT @ZoeRoss19:http://bit.ly/f3e2aX 'Why success always starts with failure' :) @tutor2u_econ looks v releveant for tonight's #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA sorry - lost the thread on this #ukedchat. I miss my tweetdeck! @bevevans22 And I'd forgotten that was the topic. Now even more disappointed. Glad to hear it was good-looking forward to fab read #ukedchat @grahamcullen @ukedchat @colport @nicholas3000 @theheadsoffice @kvnmcl @dughall @xannov @louiw Yes looking forward to it Thanks to @bevevans22 @colport and everyone else for a mindschnozzling #ukedchat. May have to go and be spoon fed for a few hours now... Glad that so many people enjoyed tonight's #ukedchat I am off to put the kettle on and get some cake :) @ukedchat @colport @nicholas3000 @theheadsoffice @kvnmcl @dughall @xannov @natty08 @louiw Should be fun! @colport @MrAColley @JenniH68 @ElKel99 @Educationchat @LeahJames21 @davidhunter It was fantastic, thanks you as well fr this gem #ukedchat Nottingham High Junior -great opportunity to join a fantastic staffmusic teacher (100% music) required #ukedchat http://bit.ly/aKN3Cg HUGE <even bigger than that> thanks to @bevevans22 for hosting #ukedchat and the promotion via @lucytobin & @CreativeEdu RT @cleverfiend: New post: Useful (and free) secondary science resources from SEP http://fcr.me.uk/mbnGoj #ukedchat #ukscichat @Natty08 @grahamcullen @ukedchat Are you talking about next weeks #ukedchat or the conference? @colport RT @cleverfiend: New post: Useful (and free) secondary science resources from SEP http://fcr.me.uk/mbnGoj #ukedchat #ukscichat @sharland @BenRogersOVA @frogphilp @hairysporran @passionateaboot @wjputt @calie77 @geraldhaigh1 Thanks for great #ukedchat comments with me @colport A pleasure! #ukedchat Page 62 of 63

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@bevevans22 #ukedchat Thank you. I got a lot from it :) #Google is unbelievable and soon launch +1 your website.Now you can subscribe ; don't miss #edtech20 #edchat #ukedchat http://t.co/BxOPNGV last one from me. get rid of your teachers desk it has no place in a classroom! move round, advise pupils #ukedchat @bevevans22 now that's a true reward after hosting this peach of a #ukedchat have a nice one :) FYI I follow you now @KempsterD #ukedchat Change career. I'm not that blunt. Not being the fount of all knowledge is forgivable, not planning time much less so.

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