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Wednesday April 6 - Friday, April 8,2005
Pool report #1 Departure from Andrews April 6, 2005 President Bush was wearing a charcoal suit, white shirt and gray tie as he emerged from Marine One under blue skies interspersed with gauzy white clouds. Joined by First Lady Laura Bush, who was clad in a gray pants suit, the president ascended the stairs, gave his usual wave and entered Air Force One. Already on board and seated in the senior staff area were former President Clinton, who flew in this morning from New York, and former President Bush, who arrived in Washington last night after a speech in Phoenix, according to White
House Press Secretary Scott McClellan. Your pool shot video of the First Couple, but not of the former presidents or Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who is also on board. Wheels up at 7:36 a.m. If there are updates, pool reports will be filed from the plane. As for tomorrow’s schedule, the White House is not allowing any pool coverage of the president. Bill Sammon The Washington Times
Pool Report #2 Rome April 6, 2005 You all probably had a better view on TV than the pool did of the presidents kneeling near the pope's body. So let's concentrate on the former presidents, who came back to the press cabin just as the plane was landing (41 first, then Clinton). Below is the transcript, followed by a note on Laura's sked. Bush 41 transcript: Do you remember when you first met John Paul? “No, I don't remember, but I was vice president, I think. I think I had eight visits with him, but I just don't remember all of the details. The most thrilling to me: We took young Jeb, Jebbie's boy, to see him. And Jeb's a Catholic. And Cathy Zucker (phoenetic) went - and her daughter. Cathy's a Catholic. And we went out to the seaside - Castel Gadolfo or whatever it is - and I'll tell you the kid, his eyes lit up like heaven. It was unbelievable. He just stood there in awe. And he was so sweet to them. Unforgettable. “And then you know, my visits were somewhat large delegations, when I was president. I think we had two trips maybe - maybe three. But always very pleasant. But very hard, you know, to feel like you're doing a lot. But he was, as I said in the statement we put out, you just had
the feeling that he was a man of peace and a great humanitarian. “He differed with us on Desert Storm. And I went over and looked at the letter the other day. And it was - I wouldn't say pro forma, because it was from his heart out, for sure - but he worried about the long length of the war and the (inaud). And that was before the battle started.” After Kuwait liberation, did you talk with him again? “Well, I talked to him after that - but never about that. And you know, he has that standard position on the use of force. I wish I'd asked him about the concept of a just war. I never got into that close enough discussion: To say: How do you feel? Is there such a thing as a just war? Clearly, I felt that was. I don't know how - he probably would have said no.” How would you sum up significance of the pope's life? “It's so clear, after his life ended, the impact he had on so many people, all over the world. Of course, the way the Poles feel about him, and felt about him when they were when Lech Walensa and Solidarnosc were struggling, and all of that, it just says a lot about it. Then he went on to the papacy. I think it's just the warmth of the human being, the conviction he had about mankind, humankind, about life, and about peace. I mean, it just shone through. The last time I saw him - I can't even remember when it was - but he was very quiet and yet you just had the feeling you were in the presence of a wonderful, wonderful, warm man of God.” Did he play a role in the fall of communism? “Anytime you stand up against communism, as he certainly did in Poland, I would say absolutely. But I don't think he was plotting, well, what do we do now to move these Soviet divisions out of Eastern Europe, or something like that. But I think his adherence to liberty and freedom and all that kind of thing was so strong that it gave people a real anchor to windward, it gave them a rallying point. There were other great figures involved in all of that, too. But I think certainly historians will give him some credit, I'm sure.”
I really do. regardless of personal creed? “I think so. adherence to Christian principles. strong convictions and I just had great respect for the Holy Father.not many. I'm not really .” Was the pope's message universal. And I saw him in his private . because you had the feeling he was very strong in all of that . Some of the same people are here . I went to a Presbyterian Church in Midland. one or two. And I think you're seeing this outpouring of affection and respect for him transcends simply the Catholic approach to faith . now I go to a Congregational church . he was just unbelievable. but yes I do.strong beliefs.in my life.What did he mean to you spiritually? “Well. Now maybe that's because I wasn't of the Catholic faith. I went to an Episcopal church.” Not the press . for the Catholics.so I don't tend to myself as a theologian.and others feel that way. old-line Episcopalean I'm not a demoninationalist. I saw him obviously when he came to the United States and he was in Colorado and New Jersey and St. being a dyed-in-the-wood. Louis.” “he's in heaven” How does it feel to be back on Air Force One? “It feels great. “No.” -=-=-=-=-= President Clinton transcript: Any special memories? “We met four or five times. But in terms of religion.we would never whine. But obviously. never.” Food's probably not as good. these things meant a lot. love of Christ. “Stop whining.
And obviously we had a few disagreements over policy. He said the 20th century began with a war in Sarajevo and you can't let it end with a war in Sarajevo. It was amazing. but I'll never forget when he came to the cathedral in Newark and he had a meeting with me. “And I also remember that he was very interested in the whole question of religious liberty. I'll never forget that . this is an amazing thing. with the Orthodox Christians. He asked me a lot about the question of religious liberty. as he did with my Catholic friends inside the church over whether there should be more centralized or decentralized authority. And when I sent a delegation of three to China to talk about religious liberty there. Those nuns are caramelized.apartment in the Vatican . You know. Just the two of us. I have very vivid memories of that. generate a crowd. sitting in a little chair together. Then he came in the back of the cathedral. No wonder they're . A lot of them haven't been outside in 20 years. to reach out to Islam.right after he had a leg injury.walking through those long corridors and then going into that big room. Cardinal McCarrick was on the delegation . Then he had himself spirited away for two miles so he could come in on the pope-mobile. And that's a big question the church has to confront again today. “I remember when he called me spontaneously one day. that I talked about the other day. You've got big growing numbers in .partly because the pope had so much interest. And I never will forget . shook hands all the way down the aisle.then the archbishop in New Jersey . without notice or anything. he's viewed as oh-so severe and serious.it's one of the greatest.just the two of us alone . “So I found him a very kind of complete person. “And the other thing I remember. And one guy said to me: You have no idea how good a politician he is.the man knows how to build a crowd. was that he had a real sense of whimsy as well. I'd hate to run against him for mayor. He went out of his way to reconcile with the Jews. just to ask me how things were going in Bosnia and whether we'd get the coalition necessary to go in and stop the Bosnian war. screaming. succinct statements anyone's ever made to me. and had nuns standing on the pews. And I asked the Catholic leaders of the community who were there with me I looked at them and said.
But it was obvious . Karadic. I think he thought that you shouldn't initiate war. He also centralized authority in the papacy again and enforced a very conservative theological doctrine. I think he favored what we were doing in Bosnia and Kosovo because it was in response to an immediate killing policy by Milosevic. He played a role in hastening the end of communism in central Europe. But what he had in common with Catholics from left to right. Then you've got a huge population in Latin America whose response is much more mixed and who are being heavily courted by the evangelicals. That was the feeling I had in dealing with him.” How would you sum up signficance of pope's life? “The significance of any person's life lies in somehow his unique qualities. pro-life . Mladic.he was against capital punishment and abortion. even against oppressive people. all those guys. But we never had any explicit conversation about that because I was gone by the time the Iraq thing came up.I guess you're talking about where he went with .when he later opposed the Iraq war. But the numbers of priests .” When you talked about Bosnia. He tried to work it out. I think he favored defensive wars. And so he thought. unless there was some immediate human tragedy pending. He was clearly a man of God. we didn't talk about it. are wars in defense of innocent people being slaughtered. if you will. did he talk about the distinction between just wars and unjust wars? “No. The number of Catholics increased by 250 million on his watch. he really did try to have a consistent ethic that was by his definition. You know.Africa of people who are drawn to the traditional doctrine that he espoused. his relationship with other human beings and with God. There will be debates about that. That's really what he stood for to unify Catholics and what I thought was important for people throughout the world. So they're debating: Should there be married priests? Should there be women priests? There are a lot of cross currents in the church. was a concern for human dignity over either political or military power or crass materialism. He was the first non-Italian pope in 455 years. And he was a consistent voice for human dignity in the face of political oppression and modern materialism. And then you have the European and American problem where they don't have enough priests.
and very different ones. John at the Lateran. I'm very interested in the Catholic church and its whole history. learn some historical information and perhaps light a candle. She will get a tour. Bush will have coffee with the wife of Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi at Quirinale Palace. In my lifetime. He's like all of us . “Roman Holiday. John Paul II and John XXIII. On Thursday morning. But in their espousal of the Catholic social mission of human dignity. they were one. So far. If they'd been serving me turkey burgers. They have turkey burgers too.he may have a mixed legacy.I had a good time. opposition to oppression and materialism.didn't. courtesy of her press secretary. he did what he thought was right and that's about all you can ask from anybody. at the U. (Trivia note: the northern façade was featured in the film.” Finally.” How does it feel to be back on Air Force One for the first time since your presidency? “I never thought I'd be on this plane again . And that just seems to me what unifies the Catholic Church and what to me will be the lasting legacy of John Paul.S. preferring to keep the focus on the pope. At 8 a. she will visit St. And they had very different ways of running the church. there have two great popes -. Cherie. But on balance. I think he was a man of God. ambassador's residence. I might not have heart surgery. Mrs. . on Friday. the First Lady will have a 45-minute breakfast with British Prime Minister Tony Blair's wife.m. none of the three presidents have visited the press cabin. And I think he was clearly a figure of historic importance. White House officials hinted that members of the delegation are averse to making themselves the story. but I went to Catholic gradeschool and I went to Georgetown and I studied with the Jesuits. one of the four basilicas where Pope John Paul II has presided over Mass. Susan Whitson. “I'm not Catholic. he was a consistent person. a quick note on First Lady Laura Bush's schedule.”) At around noon on Thursday. which they didn't have when I was here.
Along some stretches. One subject that did not come up was the accidental killing of an Italian intelligence officer by U. Mr.m. Bush passed through the archway of an ancient city wall. where he disappeared behind the high stone walls. the former presidents joined the current president for his regular intelligence briefing.. condolences over the incident. According to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan. in a courtesy call on Italian President Carlo Ciampi. there were numerous posters of the pope in that famous photo where he is leaning on his staff and his golden robe is flowing off to one side. President Bush hosted a reception in the . the president left the palace for an uneventful motorcade back to the ambassador’s residence. He passed hundreds of onlookers who clustered at sidewalk cafes or in front of shops and hotels.S. 2005 President Bush departed the ambassador’s residence under skies of hazy sunshine for the brisk motorcade to Quirinale Palace. the president was joined by former Presidents Clinton and Bush. Iraq and Afghanistan.S.m. At one point Mr. They touched on a variety of subjects. Earlier this morning. At 1:17 p. However. circular cobblestone plaza and proceeded into the walled palace.-Italian investigation was still ongoing. which also injured an Italian journalist. 2005 At about 5 p.Bill Sammon The Washington Times Pool Report #1 Courtesy call on Italian president April 7. At length he arrived in a large. as well as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Bill Sammon The Washington Times Pool Report #2 Dinner with Berlusconi April 7.S. and said the joint U. troops in Iraq last month. McClellan afterward repeated U. including the Middle East..
Mr. Mr. Mr. Clinton and Mr. which was even more elaborate than the front.the new transitional government -. and congratulate Prime Minister-designate Jaffari on his selection and look forward to the naming of his cabinet soon. The reception lasted about an hour. The presidential limousine passed through a formal garden before crunching to a stop on a sea of white pebbles that encircled some intricate topiary in front of the building's grand. Mr.m. Mr. Hadley and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card. Bush. mostly cardinals but also a few archbishops and bishops. It was essentially a shorter version of the diabolical maze in “The Shining. a selection of teas and ice cream with berries. First Lady Laura Bush..as they move forward on drafting the constitution and preparing for elections for a permanent government. Rather than make remarks to the group. They were joined by Mrs. according to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan. We congratulate the president and deputy vice president for being sworn in before the national assembly. he chatted with the men individually or in small groups. pasta. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson. embassy to the Holy See) and Mr. Card toured the back garden.ambassador's residence for the American Hierarchy. Bush spent some time visiting with his father. Nicholson. the menu consisted of salad. Shortly before 7 p. McClellan made the following remarks to the pool on the latest developments in Iraq: “It is another historic moment in the transition to democracy in Iraq. According to the White House.. The president looks forward to working with the new government -. semicircular entrance. Clinton. Before dinner.S. Miss Rice. Mr. Bush. Mr. Bush departed the ambassador's residence and headed to Villa Madama. or about 25 minutes behind schedule. fish with vegetables. Uneventful .” During the dinner. Bush finally departed at 9:05 p. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. which consisted of about 20 clergy. Miss Rice.m.” It was dark by the time Mr. the elder Mr. After the cardinals departed. Hardt's family. Also present were former Presidents Clinton and Bush. Clinton. which is perched high atop a Roman hill with a commanding view of the city below. Brent Hardt (charge d'affaires at the U. Mr. He proceeded inside for dinner with Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
The president reiterated our regret over the incident. The president was back at the residence at 9:14 p. 2005 White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan answered a few questions at the pool work area in the hotel. the Middle East. where the president will tape his radio address in the morning. Iraq and the Ukraine.motorcade back to the ambassador's residence. He said President Bush and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi discussed “a range of issues. Subject will be the pope.S. They also discussed the accidental U. He showed off some sort of program that had been signed by all three presidents and kidded that he would be selling it on e-bay.” including transatlantic relations. running into the elder Bush on the way in the entrance. The president's honored to be attending the funeral tomorrow and leading our delegation. Bill Sammon The Washington Times Pool Report #3 McClellan comments April 7.” “I think Prime Minister Berlusconi wanted to talk about it and the president welcomed the discussion about it. It was the newsiest event of the day.” .” “The purpose of the trip is to be here for the funeral of John Paul II. shooting of an Italian agent rescuing a journalist in Iraq. He stopped to shake hands and joke with the journalists.m. The pool proceeded to the hotel.” “He recognizes that this is a time to pay tribute to and honor the Holy Father and all that he stood for.” As for the president taking a low profile today: “This is a time of mourning and it's also a time to celebrate the life of a great moral leader and that's the reason we are here in Rome. “They did have a discussion about the shooting incident.
the First Lady. McClellan said “the delegation” attended the Berlusconi dinner.” Finally. Hardt and others. although Mr. Mrs. said one member did not . According to Susan. “she had a private dinner at a restaurant with Mrs.” Bill Sammon The Washington Times . Sembler. Laura Bush's press secretary. Susan Whitson. And the focus rightly should be the Holy Father.“He recognizes the significance of the moment.
2005 Shortly after takeoff from Rome. President Bush invited the pool to the conference room on Air Force One for an on-the- .Pool Report #1 Rome to Waco April 8.
Texas . On the Middle East. Bush talked a lot about Pope John Paul II’s funeral and how it was one of the highlights of his presidency. Bush appeared relaxed and confident.S.m. Mr. Peter’s Basilica. off-camera exchange. Bush emerged from the U. Gesticulating for effect. for an uneventful ride to the airport. ambassador’s residence in Rome under partly sunny skies and boarded the motorcade at 9:25 a. Dressed in nylon sweat pants and a navy warm-up jacket (his name stitched over his heart and the presidential seal on the right). that Israel should halt all settlement activity. Mr. where they entered the dome side of the church before emerging on the side facing St. The president sat at least 150 yards from the pool. Peter’s Square. politics and what it was like to spend several days with two former presidents. Mr. He spoke expansively and energetically on a variety of topics for about 45 minutes (please see transcript). The motorcade departed at 12:52 p. Mr. Bush was joined by former Presidents Clinton and Bush for the 20-minute motorcade to St. the small blue presidential flag that normally adorns the front.record. Bush said he would repeat privately to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon what he has been saying publicly for some time – namely. He also discussed how his own faith has been impacted by the pope. his energy policy.m. Bill Sammon The Washington Times INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT BY THE TRAVEL POOL Aboard Air Force One En route Waco. the president then expounded on Social Security. Mr. so it was difficult to see him during Mass. Iraq. In honor of the pontiff. driver-side fender of the presidential limousine had been replaced by a yellow-and-white Vatican flag (the passenger side fender was festooned with the usual American flag). Earlier in the day. For starters.
if you haven't read it. but I didn't realize how moved I would be by the service. Beautiful. that it's such an honor to represent our country at a ceremony honoring a truly great man who is and will always be a great historical figure. and they were very grateful that I came. lead. I'm really glad I came. were you there in person? THE PRESIDENT: One.8:29 A. by the way. and there was a great outpouring of enthusiasm for that line. One in particular is when His Eminence spoke to His Holiness's relationship to the young of the world. wood and wood -being carried and held up for the seal to be seen. I knew the ceremony today would be majestic. And I think it's interesting to note the moments where the crowd responded.one of three. and President Clinton came. and Dad came. maybe you've seen it? Yes. This will be one of the highlights of my presidency. It was as if we were inside the cathedral listening. Last night we hosted a reception at the embassy for many of the leaders of the Catholic Church at home. and the voices were so pure. I thought the homily was really good. and then the sun pouring out. and Condi came. fortunately -. And then I think the thing that struck all our delegation most intensely was the final scene of the plain-looking casket -. Beautiful. We were given an English version. Listen. And I told them. and Laura came. to a person. . to have been at this great ceremony.M. I was struck -. I was struck by the response of the crowd. by the beautiful music. There was never any question I would come.as an aside -struck by the fact that the sound was so clear in this huge facility. Beautifully done. itself. as well as others. EDT THE PRESIDENT: THE PRESS: Yes.
and a strong legacy of setting a clear moral tone. there is a security presence that will protect people. Q You're going to There's been some talk in going to raise this issue expansion. I mean." the world. starting in the Gaza. with him standing by my side. now the second time in a brief period of time and I will say so privately. as well. I applauded that decision at the White House. And that is the road map has clear obligations on settlements. and that we expect the Prime Minister to adhere to those road map obligations. And we've already started that process of realizing the possible by having General Ward work with the Palestinians to streamline and coordinate Palestinian security forces so that upon the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. now. . and I will -."we. You bet. obviously. do you also think it will be a mixed legacy? THE PRESIDENT: I think Pope John Paul II will have a clear legacy of peace. I say privately. has a great opportunity to help a democracy grow -. Q So you're going to try to talk him out of this latest settlement expansion he's talking about? THE PRESIDENT: My position is clear. Are you going see Prime Minister Sharon soon. What I say publicly.begin and grow.So off we go to home. And I think now is the time to focus the world's attention on what is possible. Since you differed with him on the war to such a great degree. We've got to make sure that an economy can flourish there. Israel that maybe you're not of this latest settlement to do that? THE PRESIDENT: I've raised the issue of settlement expansions publicly. As you know. Q Your predecessor suggested that the Pope would leave a mixed legacy. The Prime Minister of Israel has decided to pull out of Gaza. even though he was a great man. We have a great opportunity -.I stated. it was upon the prompting of your question. And the road map has got obligations for the Palestinians. We've got to do more. compassion.
But some in the region think that some of our allies there -particularly Saudi Arabia and Egypt -. McCLELLAN: THE PRESIDENT: You said "strong. and you said. to enhance success. I wanted to make sure there was a proper adjective to the legacy I thought he left behind. is that -. you said. "strong legacy of setting a clear moral tone. We need to have institution-building. to facilitate success.I think my answer was.still are not doing enough to help foster democracy in their own countries. good. Okay. in that answer. I said -. And so one of our -I will be talking to the Prime Minister about the need to work with the Palestinian government. and there needs to be an international effort that encourages and fosters economic vitality so that a government which does emerge in Gaza will be able to better speak to the hopes of those who live in the Gaza. Q Yes. or are you encouraging them to -- . "I think John Paul II will have a clear legacy of peace" -THE PRESIDENT: A clear and excellent legacy.what did I say? Q I asked if you thought it was a mixed message. a strong legacy. Do you think they're doing enough." MR." THE PRESIDENT: Fine. Let me make sure I go back to the first answer on His Holiness. Q Getting back to the Middle East for a moment. if you don't mind adding the word "excellent. And success in the Gaza will make success on the West Bank easier.I think you need to know what the successful strategy will be. Okay. President Abbas. THE PRESIDENT: Yes." too." Q Clear and excellent. It was more than just "clear. There have been hopeful signs in the region lately. In other words. And that is there is more than just security in Gaza.
In the long term. given where different nations have started from. But I also have said many times that it is important for those of us who live in a democratic society to remember two things: One. we'll work with you to develop a democracy which adapts to your own cultures and your own religions and your own habits. which is positive. for example. our own road to democracy was a little bumpy. Iraq. secondly. there is a certain -. because I believe that is the ultimate strategy to defeat the terrorists. But. In the short run. to write a constitution. the spread of freedom and democracy -. we'll continue to find them and work with nations to find them and share intelligence to find them.but 10 months in the greater scheme of things is a short period of time. In other words. Remember we all traveled to NATO? To the NATO summit? And it may seem like an eternity to you all -. had slavery for a long period of time.THE PRESIDENT: We will continue to encourage democracy. What we should say is. things are happening quite rapidly.democracies reflecting the nature of the people and the history of those countries will mean that generations will more likely grow up in peace. I will continue to press forward on encouraging democracy and reform in every nation.we shouldn't try to impose our democracy on other nations. Q When you sat there surrounded by that incredibly array of world leaders and looked forward to the kind of spread of democracy you're talking about. And. the Iraqis have voted and today they've announced their Prime Minister. at the same time. during that short period of time.there's got to be a certain realism about how fast things can possibly happen. is there . I'm fully aware that there is work to be done.we transferred sovereignty 10 months ago. nevertheless.(laughter) -. the government assembly there. the government will be up and running. recognize that all nations are not starting at the same spot in order to achieve democracy. that we shouldn't expect others to adapt that which we think -. And. but. Now. bring them to justice. I mean. it's very important for us in Iraq to recognize that we -. nevertheless. But I think it's also our job to encourage those nations and. nevertheless. we have a Constitution and a Declaration of Independence.
to have that many people THE PRESIDENT: “Now. a handful of whom I know. for example. there were some signs urging that His Holiness be made a saint. When I first got there -.yes. THE PRESIDENT: And the flags and the statues and just -. . Q -THE PRESIDENT: No."subito. I was struck by the number of Polish flags that were in the crowd. Obviously. There was intense focus on the ceremony. the cardinals -. I was more -. have gotten to know quite well and admire greatly. We came walking out of the grand stairway and it was a very inspiring sight. in my judgment. And he was such a believer in freedom.you know. Of course. itself. he received his great power and strength from the Almighty. I saw Lech Walesa.I thought a lot about Pope John Paul II.when Laura and I first got there. And was amazed by the size of the crowd. we shook hands with the folks around us. by the way. So that was pretty well my focus there. Q Now! But what it represented. what was really interesting. the bishops and the archbishops and different leaders of the churches right across the way from me. Jacques and Madam Chirac were right next door. You know. I mean. Q And the flags. But everybody there was – there wasn't much chitchat.something about just that assemblage there? Who did you talk to? Who did you see? And did it strike you that this was a remarkable ability to pull together such disparate people? THE PRESIDENT: I was most attentive to the ceremony. I really didn't reflect that much on the politics of the moment during the ceremony. I understand.” yes -." You know. I believe that is part of the power of Pope John Paul II. I spent some time visiting with them. here's a person who has shown that a single individual can make a big difference in history and that.
Q You knew him personally.I mean.my Spanish is not very good -. I imagine you've been to an English mass? THE PRESIDENT: Q The -. He was such a gentle man and at the end of his life he made his points to me with his eyes. different kinds of emotions in the THE PRESIDENT: I felt -. did you have one of those guides that -THE PRESIDENT: I did. by you were struck by the wake.you talked ceremony. We contrast.I'm not sure if you were looking at the homily at that point or maybe. I really did.when I was kneeling there. How do the two you know. a couple questions about the Pope. if you will. but I felt -. you know. The last visit. we were surrounded by a crowd at the wake. and. I was very much -. other question was. Mr.felt at peace there.Q Just to follow up on that. we never had a chance to about a lot about what struck you from this never got a chance to talk to you about. never been to a Latin mass. it is decent enough to pick up sounds that then can help me follow the Italian. One. I felt -. President. but more of a spectator. how when you went ceremonies -two? No. through the other night. but felt much more in touch with a spirit. that must have been quite powerful and -THE PRESIDENT: My relationship with Pope John Paul II was a very good relationship. because I was aware of people.(laughter) -.nevertheless. it was probably just because of all the sights and sounds and majesty and colors that. Q Had you ever been to a Latin mass before. he was pretty physically -. yet. as you know.he was struggling.I'm trying to think of the right word -. And at the other ceremony.I mean. obviously. to kneel there and see his body after you've met with him so many times and had -. I mean. his eyes . and was prayerful."alone" isn't the right word. I noticed at one point you had your glasses on and you were following along -. It's hard to follow -. I felt more like a spectator than a participant.
it's a spectacular lake -. from all religions -. Right before or after Genoa. but it was hard to really understand him. nevertheless.the Castel overlooks this fantastic lake.and he was much more conversant then. you know. And tides of moral relativism kind of washed around him. Much of the communications was done by paperwork. because he was struggling. outdoorsman. crystal clear. you know. And he had a sparkle. educator.millions of Catholics and millions of others admired his strength and his purpose and his moral clarity. I was asked by some of the leadership of the Church.and in my remarks I tried to witness that. freedom fighter. not at all -because millions. That's why it's really interesting for people to note that there was a lot of testimony -. instructor -.twinkled. just real clear. I think it might have been my first trip? Q It was 2001.that his struggle at the end of his life and the dignity with which he struggled was a clear example of Christ's influence in his life. THE PRESIDENT: Yes. but he stood strong as a rock. yet. the G8 in Genoa. he still could communicate clearly through eyes which were. I was honored to see that firsthand. when Laura and I went to visit him.one of the reasons why millions came to admire and love him. it is as clear example of Christ's influence in a person's life that he maintained . And that's why millions -. which -Q Did he speak English? THE PRESIDENT: Some. and. I would define Pope John Paul II as a clear thinker who was like a rock.mountain climber. as well -. And he took us out on the balcony -. And I remember the Castel Gandolfo. he really wanted to show us this beautiful setting. was I surprised at the turnout? I said. He's one of the great vigorous leaders -. Q How did the Pope struggle with his health at the end of his life and his example throughout his life strengthen your own faith? THE PRESIDENT: Well.who then had to struggle using the very tools that enabled him to be a vigorous teacher.
perhaps the largest funeral in the history of mankind.we're all affected differently. And you constantly confront. Not just me.I don't know -. Q If there was ever a moment where you ever had any doubts in your own faith. I think my relationship with -. questions. millions of people whose life he touched. But. what out of the past public things would strengthen your resolve and firm up your relationship with your God? THE PRESIDENT: I think a walk in faith constantly confronts doubt. I think we might have witnessed -. the spirit was also at the wake. And today -. and I know you all were. There's a reason why. but more personal at the wake. Q Do you think that will help you in the months and years ahead. I was honored to be one of many there. I think all of us get touched in different ways if you're on a faith journey -. I repeat. But the Lord works in mysterious ways. But there's a reason why the largest crowd ever to come and pay homage to a human happened. somebody said that might be true. The Bible talks about. his leadership capacity. and during all our life's journeys we’re enabled to see the Lord at work if our eyes are open and our hearts are open.will be a moment in my life that will strengthen my faith and my belief. in your own life? THE PRESIDENT: Well. his positions. Besides the pomp and the majesty and the colors. yes.you can analyze and you can look at the coffin .such a kind of hopeful. as well. his love of peace. physical struggles. that was a personal moment. more significantly. clear point of view amidst struggles -. optimistic. as faith becomes more mature. his views. there was a spirit that was an integral part of the ceremony. Again.in his case. and it's because of the man's character. you've got to constantly stay in touch with the Word of God in order to help you on the walk. his ability to relate to all people. you know. For me.a lot of Christians gain great strength and confidence from seeing His Holiness in the last stages of life. his deep compassion. My faith is strong.and Pope John Paul II's example will serve -. And that's -. I'm not sure if that's true or not.
. I bet you. with the sun shining on it. Q Can you tell us a little bit about your dinner with Prime Minister Berlusconi? Did you talk." it's a walk.your average moment in life. I will be a President representing a great nation in dealing with a great institution with which we have diplomatic relations." it's not called a "moment" or a "respite. Q Are there any qualities that you're specifically looking for? THE PRESIDENT: I'm not a part of the selection process. you can find ways to strengthen your faith. you know. for millions of people was a reaffirmation for many and a way to make sure doubts don't seep into your soul. I happen to feel it was a special moment that was part of a special ceremony for a special person.it's called a "walk. or how a child's life has been helped. how difficult do you think that it will be finding a successor to fill his shoes? THE PRESIDENT: Look. And it helped strengthen my faith. ways -.being held. asked for prayers as he began his journey as one of the electors. And you can have your faith strengthened on -. Q It's got to be a tough act to follow. in my judgment. anyway you want. I'm interested in working with whoever the successor is. And it's necessary to do so. So there's. It's a constant maturing of an understanding of a -. as Cardinal McCarrick said at the ceremony on Saturday. I'm not going to pre-judge the selection process. Q Given that. the day His Holiness died. There is a -.and today's ceremony.you can have your faith strengthened when you stand up at a faith-based initiative and see someone standing up and testify to what their love has done to help a child. And I think that. And that helps strengthen my faith. though. as a cardinal. My faith gets strengthened when I went to the school the other day and saw the mentoring relationship between a young professional woman and a young kid who's going to go to the seed school where there's a 95 percent chance that kid is going to go to college. You know.whether the moment be majestical or whether the moment be a part of just an average -.
on how to implement the strategy -. the sooner our troops will be able to come home. Secretary Rumsfeld will be in touch with his counterpart as we strategize as to how to move forward. He knows what I know: that the sooner that gets done. get him out there -. and assured him that the investigation would be conducted in an aboveboard.of course.000 troops. I will be in contact with the Prime Minister.of course.which is clear -. he reaffirmed his commitment to -which he has given in the past -. We've been waiting for this new government so that we can then strategize. on Iraq? Did the subject come up. make sure that the chain of command within the military and between the civilian government and the military are strong and capable and will endure. But on the security front. the appropriate folks. bring our troops home with the honor they've earned. And the new government is just about to be stood up. Condi will be touch with her counterpart.that we've got to make sure we complete the mission. As we strategize on tactics. And as soon as the government is sworn in. that we help Iraqis to fight off the few.particularly. Q Italy is going to pull out 3. we want to train you and make you as efficient as possible. transparent way. I mean. we look forward to working with the new government on a lot of things and a lot of fronts. as quickly as possible. so that we don't complete our job. upon swearing in -. as I say. I've already spoke to the President.which is. And General Casey. I think. as well as the chargé. you know. But he's also aware that what we don't want to do is leave prematurely. in terms of the intelligence officer who was killed by Americans? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. it's to make sure we're in sync with our training schedules. we have a good. it did come up and I expressed my regret once again. by the fall. we can get Zal confirmed quickly. the deputy chief of mission will be in touch with. Q Did he say it had been a problem for him in keeping the support that there is in Italy for having troops in Iraq? THE PRESIDENT: No. so that all of us can begin to. Will you be able to absorb that? . strong deputy chief of mission there now.
THE PRESIDENT: I don't know why you say that. that judges were out of control and should be held accountable. But I'm not sure where that came from. not sure why you said what you just said. And we'll continue to put judges on the bench who strictly and faithfully interpret the Constitution. The amazing thing is.you've said -. What did you think about those? THE PRESIDENT: I believe in an independent judiciary.I had breakfast with Tony Blair this morning. I stay in regular contact with the Prime Minister. I believe in proper checks and balances. continue to make sure we stay in touch with all our -. I guess -. and get it right. we'll work with all our coalition. But.there is a democracy emerging in this country. loss of life. speaking about coalition. I know you're not -. What I did hear was is that the Prime Minister wants to work to make sure we complete the mission. You know. in fact. Q Can I ask you about Tom Delay. Q Mr. no. in spite of some very difficult days and in spite of some tragedy.000 out by the fall? Q Well. And it was really kicked off by the huge vote of over 8 million people. and I -THE PRESIDENT: They've got 3. is that if you really think about what's happened in the 10-month period.300 now. Q Do you think he'll leave troops in if. the statement he made in the wake of the Shiva case. this country is -.you've often said you're not consumed by polls. And it's important we do it. and you said they're going to pull 3. enough haven't been trained? THE PRESIDENT: I think we'll work to complete the training mission of the Iraqis. President.I don't -- THE PRESIDENT: Okay. but a fair amount has been written lately about your approval . I'm Q I thought that was the number of troops Italy had in Iraq.
at the same time. making sure our troops are well framed up. By the way. Well. obviously. which in some polls are at sort of a low point. prepared.ratings. As might remember. (Laughter. it's a little tougher road to hoe. I had to fight the war on terror. Occasionally. somebody would say something that was not very positive about the process and people would all of a . you know. Some polls -THE PRESIDENT: day. There is a domestic component in the second term. ready to move quickly. What are your thoughts? THE PRESIDENT: My thoughts are the President has always got to balance foreign policy and domestic policy and I will -. some say that -Some of them were going up the other THE PRESIDENT: You can find them going up and you can find them going down. we will work to defeat the enemy by. we're continuing to fight the war on terror. we were confronted with a recession and I felt we needed to reform schools and. what -- THE PRESIDENT: You can pretty much find out what you want in polls. (Laughter. Q Okay. There was a domestic component in the first term. now that some of things are settling down in Iraq and Afghanistan. the war on terror goes on and that's the important thing for me to continue to remind our fellow citizens. I'm looking forward to getting John Negroponte confirmed as quickly as possible. And to make sure our intelligence services mesh and work closely together. so we can deal with this crucial aspect. a domestic component.I did so in the first term. I might remind you that at points during the tax debate I can remember people had declared that tax relief was dead on arrival. It's part of the transformation process that the Secretary is leading.) Q What about the theory that your presidency is moving from one dominated by foreign policy to one of domestic policy? Ironically. is my point. and you're facing tough issues like Social Security.) Q In general. But there's also.
the American people are coming to realize there is a serious problem with Social Security -not if you've retired. And that's the other aspect of making sure we succeed in the Social Security debate. the legislators will understand that the American people recognize there's a problem in Social Security and expect something to be done. You know. But we need to -. I happen to believe that not dealing with the problem will create political consequences when the public realizes how serious the problem is. Q Still think it will pass this year? THE PRESIDENT: I certainly hope so." there will be a political consequence. And I'm very optimistic that when it's all said and done. I had laid out a time table to make it clear to the American people my views about the problems inherent in Social Security. But I'm going to continue to remind all of us in government that when we see a problem. the process of getting a piece of legislation out. The job of the President is to set an agenda that deals with problems. is to make sure seniors know they're going to get their checks. we have an obligation to do something about it -. I've learned that lesson. Every year we wait costs billions of dollars more. And sometimes -. We need an energy bill. And I think we're making progress.we need to do a lot of things. Now. And I fully realize some people would rather me not be discussing this issue.sudden assume that nothing was going to get done. as a governor and President. you know. I fully realize an energy bill reflects a longer-term strategy. "I'm not dealing with the problem. And I look forward to being a part of that. . And I've set an agenda.no matter what some may think are the short term political consequences. or you go home and say. If you don't deal with the problem.sometimes the legislature doesn't want to deal with the problem. And we've got work to do on that. I set an agenda on energy. because now is the time to fix the problem. that the people expect and respect people for setting agenda items and staying focused on achieving a solution to the problem. we've been talking about energy for four years. So I'm accustomed to. I think slowly but surely.
people are going to get their checks.it doesn't matter what the propagandists say. I'm sure you guys analyzed those . if George W. because I recognized a problem coming down the road. But I'll continue to push it. I will continue to work it and remind people that we have a duty to deal with these problems. We passed -. enjoying this. You might remember the ads that they ran against me when I was running for office. as an aside. I talked about Social Security. eventually. And I started talking about Social Security in the year 2000. Now they need to get their differences worked out and get it to my desk. And then. You have no problem if you're receiving a Social Security check.Eventually what we're going to have to do is change our habits. My nature is such that if I came to Washington and saw a problem and didn't deal with it. I have an obligation to set agenda items.when we went to Cleveland -. I'm enjoying -Q Even if a lot of -I'm THE PRESIDENT: -.or Columbus. we're going to have this tax relief commission come forward. I like the debate. It helps cut the budget in half -. And when I set one. And it is a serious problem.I put a pretty good budget. I want it to be said that George W. I believe we will have a zero-emission coal-fired electricity plant.the deficit in half over a five-year period of time. particularly if you're a younger American. that ought to be enough this time to cause people to get moving on the bill. I do not care -. In other words. But Congress needs to get me an energy bill. I wouldn't feel very good about myself.because I feel I got elected for a reason. You covered my campaigns -. I'll be a part of that process. that said. We need to get a budget. a real good budget.every speech. And it seems like to me with the price of gasoline where it is. I saw the -. as well.and I'm going to say it like you've heard me say it -. we saw the technology involved with that. for starters. by the way. Change the types of automobiles we drive. Bush got elected and did what he said he was going to do. gets elected you're not going to get your check.
going out. and I think it might be wise for people who analyze this issue to refresh their memory about the Moynihan Commission. (Laughter. And one of these days we'll be able to look back and say.came up with some interesting ideas to solve this problem. in 2001. I'd be suggesting to the old man -. that's what the people expect. it becomes a true generational issue.me -. And that's what we're doing.) But you earn capital by spending capital.and realized that upon election. But if I were my daughter hearing somebody predict that at some point in time she's paying an 18 percent payroll tax. because the grandparents receiving the checks. I called together the Moynihan Commission. reminding people that there is a problem. I was born prior to 1950. We're working hard to get it done. you know? I think -Q Are you spending any? THE PRESIDENT: I'm spending a lot -. Q How deeply have you had to draw down on that political credit that you felt you had? THE PRESIDENT: I think you get -. Now. because the Moynihan Commission -made up of equally Democrats and Republicans -. . And then all of a sudden. Now. you know.that I get something done. You heard those experts sit up there and say that if nothing happens it is likely younger workers are going to have to pay an 18 percent payroll tax. right? Well.I think you earn capital. and we were successful reminding seniors that you're not going to have your check taken away from you. now that I'm secure. something that has lost a little bit of the focus of those covering this issue. what are you going to do for my grandkid? Because the grandchildren are going to pay an enormous price. We've got trips -I'll be keeping. we were successful convincing the American people there was a problem. they're saying it again.every time I go out. They're trying to frighten seniors in order to stop people from coming together. people got their checks -which might say something about those who ran the ads. they're going to start asking.
darn. oh. nor what party they're from. I think my job description is: if you see a problem. I'm not surprised people want to avoid this issue. Some of them in both the House and the Senate -. By the way. New Mexico. I wish the President had just focused only on the budget. talk about it and work with members of both political parties to come up with a solution. You know. you know -- THE PRESIDENT: No. no. There are a lot of people who would rather not talk about this issue. But. a lot of . because. for people who've got. I've heard members say -.are thinking longer-term. You know.to make progress on this. Q What has it been like spending time with the former Presidents for three days? That's the longest time -THE PRESIDENT: It's fun. I remember I was telling President Clinton. a relatively short-term horizon. And they're beginning to talk some ideas. because it is a tough issue for members. two-year horizon.Q Are you surprised that it's taken this much work. And there's beginning to be some talk on Capitol Hill. this long -THE PRESIDENT: Q No. Again. I wish you hadn't have brought this up. But I'm not the least bit surprised. or maybe the energy bill. you know. I remember watching one of his town hall meetings in Albuquerque. on this very subject.from both parties. Oh. by the way -. They're worried about -. we share war stories. -.I'm not going to tell you who they are. And this is a difficult issue. We hear the talk out of Capitol Hill saying. I understand that. a lot of the language happens to be pretty close to some of the town hall meetings we've had. it's great. I don't think that's part of my job description: avoid issues because it may be politically difficult. And that's constructive. a lot of talking. And I thought it was a very impressive presentation.some of them are worried about elections. you know.
And then yesterday at the embassy I wanted to include them in.on doubt --there is no doubt in my mind there is a living God. Listen. Q Q Thank you. on Air Force One. with former Presidents about. you know. yesterday and the day before.or all three of us met. I think when you discuss religion -. you heard my Grid Iron speech. That's important for you to make sure you get that part of the dialogue correct.interesting experiences about different world leaders that we may all have met -. now that she's here. Just different experiences that. those two? (Laughter. both of them were able to bring dad and President Clinton up to date on our strategy in dealing with a particular issue. Q Are you worried about them spending so much time together. Steve -. you know. And no doubt in my mind that the Lord. There is a lot of interest. thank you all. I was honored they came.) Well.these CIA briefings a lot of time prompt policy discussions. Q Thank you. if you don't mind.) THE PRESIDENT: (Laughter. Got it? Everybody got it correct? THE PRESIDENT: All right. By the way. Hope you enjoyed the experience as much as I did. Absolutely fascinating. obviously. It was really a lot of fun. Christ. was sent by the Almighty.and Condi. you know. my dad might have had or President Clinton might have had. policy. so I had them sit in on our policy briefings this morning with Condi and Steve and the CIA fellow traveling with us -. What are your plans this weekend? . we had a -.not this morning. you know. how is this process going. It was fun. It's interesting to get their points of view about their experiences in particular countries. I'm talking about the doubts that an individual struggles with in his or her life. No doubt in my mind about that. And. When I'm talking about doubts.
Oh. (Laughter.THE PRESIDENT: Like Stretch. just down the Bosque River. THE PRESIDENT: The Middle Fork comes down to my place. Condi is coming to spend the night. I'm sleeping at the Side Oats Ranch tonight. I'm just now -. And I'll be fishing. We'll start briefing the Sharon visit Sunday night. I'm on the injured reserve list from running. And then we'll obviously greet the Prime Minister and then head off to Fort Hood on Tuesday morning. Some of you old-timers have probably already read it. depends on how sleepy the crew is. I think Cat McKinnon is going come up from Austin." Middle Fork has got THE PRESIDENT: some water in it. I'm too polite. "Peter the Great." by Robert K. Tell them "hi. Q They do. Hadley will be spending a night there. I'll be finishing my book. of course. yes. Really? THE PRESIDENT: Q Yes.(laughter. and work on that speech probably Monday evening.and I wasn't going to look at Ann.) THE PRESIDENT: He probably had read it -. Q Does it come down to you from his. I may do a little cedar work. Massey. so I'll be mountain biking.) We'll have briefings. or goes the other way? . Have you read it? THE PRESIDENT: Q No. Q I'll be fishing. Looking forward to getting back down there again. Q I like when you said "old-timer" and you looked at Steve -.have you read it? Q Getting ready for the next Russia trip.
at home for that. Q team? Is that in honor of the Baylor women's basketball THE PRESIDENT: I called. Her daughter is a player on it. right. so it's coming down toward Waco. no. doesn't it? Yes. 2005 Wheels down at 5:24 p. I mean. You're not grousing about it. forward to welcoming them to the White House. on the airplane flying to Rome. no. let's see -. But she was one excited lady. as a matter of fact. I'm looking THE PRESIDENT: They've got a great team.I hope.you all saw her. the national champs softball team. are they out yet? They say there is going to be a spectacular blue bonnet season this year.anyway. The Middle Fork feeds into the Brazos. President Bush emerged in a dark suit. are you? I'm sorry I missed Easter. I called the coach. Consider yourself lucky you get to go down to Texas. Kim MulkeyRoberts. but it may be that the wild flowers. I think he's west of me.m. I was THE PRESIDENT: Q Oh. and so she came out with the parents. Q Blew them out. she was with the Midway girls softball team when they came out. . A fine person. spectacular. I had met her before when she brought -.THE PRESIDENT: I think it comes down. END Pool Report #3 Arrival in Waco April 8. Having changed out of his casual clothes. local time. Q I'm delighted. THE PRESIDENT: It may be -. I haven't heard. no. And she did a heck of a job. at least if you were on the pool.
Also on hand was former President George H.white shirt and red tie under partly sunny skies and temperatures warmer than in Rome. Bush.W. clad in a violet blouse and black pants. He was accompanied by First Lady Laura Bush. Bill Sammon The Washington Times .
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