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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 11:01:30 PM

open to the public and there is the freedom to assembly On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: > No, veto. > > Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > >> Word Financial Mall at >> 25 Liberty square >> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >> >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >> >> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-partof-the-plan/ >>> >>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>> parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>> >>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be >>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” >>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest >>> happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester

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>>> from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a >>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>> with them." >>> >>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>> peaceful action. >>> >>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>> peaceful..... >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >> week. >>>> >>>> >>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >> add >>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>> supporters...... >>>> >>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>> >>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >> from there) >>>> >>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>> make Saturday something different. >>>> >>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>> ------------------------------------->>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>> >>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>> >>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>> without a struggle. >>>> >>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >> Street. >>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and

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>>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>> >>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >> Chase >>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>> >>>> We. >>>> >>>> Will. >>>> >>>> Occupy. >>>> >>>> Everywhere >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>> indefinitely: >> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that >> we will >>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >> beer and >>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >> ourselves >>>>> that this will not be the case.” >>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >> for the >>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >> to make >>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >> longer an >>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>> integrated. >>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >> the space >>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize >> but >>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >> then we do >>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >> of the >>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >> about ways >>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >> 15. And >>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >> the way. >>>>> xob >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> New: >> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>> >>>> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will Gauss september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:59:05 PM

No, veto. Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > Word Financial Mall at > 25 Liberty square > This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors > > > -----Original Message----> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase > > Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? > http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-ofthe-plan/ >> >> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >> parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >> in the city, for weeks at a time? >> >> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be >> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” >> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest >> happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >> from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a >> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >> with them."

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>> >> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >> peaceful action. >> >> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >> peaceful..... >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter > <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this > week. >>> >>> >>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please > add >>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>> supporters...... >>> >>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>> >>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks > from there) >>> >>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>> >>> >>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>> make Saturday something different. >>> >>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>> ------------------------------------->>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>> >>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>> >>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>> >>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>> >>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>> >>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>> >>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>> without a struggle. >>> >>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall > Street. >>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>> >>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or > Chase

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>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>> >>> We. >>> >>> Will. >>> >>> Occupy. >>> >>> Everywhere >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>> indefinitely: > http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that > we will >>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking > beer and >>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise > ourselves >>>> that this will not be the case.” >>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this > for the >>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly > to make >>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no > longer an >>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>> integrated. >>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open > the space >>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize > but >>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" > then we do >>>> it again, we push further. >>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms > of the >>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible > about ways >>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October > 15. And >>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead > the way. >>>> xob >>>> >>>> ->>>> New: > http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>> Not An Alternative >>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>> >>> > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:57:25 PM

and its suuuuper pretty and open 24/7: http://www.dnainfo.com/20101202/downtown/world-financial-center-now-open-247 do it. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:54 PM, <guindave@aol.com> wrote: > Word Financial Mall at > 25 Liberty square > This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors > > > -----Original Message----> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase > > Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and > forth between then. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >> > http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-ofthe-plan/ >> >> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >> parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >> in the city, for weeks at a time? >> >> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be >> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” >> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest >> happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >> from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a >> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >> with them."

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>> >> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >> peaceful action. >> >> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >> peaceful..... >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter > > <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this > > week. >>> >>> >>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please > > add >>> >>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>> supporters...... >>> >>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>> >>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks > > from there) >>> >>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>> >>> >>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>> make Saturday something different. >>> >>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>> ------------------------------------->>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>> >>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>> >>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>> >>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>> >>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>> >>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>> >>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>> without a struggle. >>> >>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >

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> Street. >>> >>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>> >>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or > > Chase >>> >>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>> >>> We. >>> >>> Will. >>> >>> Occupy. >>> >>> Everywhere >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>> indefinitely: > > http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>> >>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that > > we will >>>> >>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking > > beer and >>>> >>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise > > ourselves >>>> >>>> that this will not be the case.” >>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this > > for the >>>> >>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly > > to make >>>> >>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no > > longer an >>>> >>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>> integrated. >>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open > > the space >>>>

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>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize > > but >>>> >>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" > > then we do >>>> >>>> it again, we push further. >>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms > > of the >>>> >>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible > > about ways >>>> >>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October > > 15. And >>>> >>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead > > the way. >>>> >>>> xob >>>> >>>> ->>>> New: > > http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>> >>>> Not An Alternative >>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>> >>> > > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:54:50 PM

Word Financial Mall at 25 Liberty square This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors -----Original Message----From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? > http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-ofthe-plan/ > > "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public > protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has > been done before. According to New York City law, permits are > necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public > parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, > and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists > have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where > Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free > wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner > in the city, for weeks at a time? > > These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than > those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an > environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be > very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” > protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated > over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the > buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest > happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a > phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester > from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a > disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, > people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are > with them." > > Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it > would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The > NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer > approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is

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> peaceful action. > > Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... > peaceful..... > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. >> >> >> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add >> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >> supporters...... >> >> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >> >> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) >> >> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >> >> >> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >> make Saturday something different. >> >> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >> ------------------------------------->> The time has come to fight the banks. >> >> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >> us in moving from protest to resistance >> >> No longer will banks take our homes. >> >> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >> >> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >> >> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >> >> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >> without a struggle. >> >> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. >> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >> >> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase >> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >> >> We. >> >> Will.

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>> >> Occupy. >> >> Everywhere >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>> indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will >>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >>> that this will not be the case.” >>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an >>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>> integrated. >>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >>> it again, we push further. >>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways >>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >>> xob >>> >>> ->>> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>> Not An Alternative >>> http://notanalternative.com >>> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47:09 PM

+1! On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:25 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Yes creativity and small events everywhere can be very effective

On 10/10/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-partof-the-plan/ "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has been done before. According to New York City law, permits are necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner in the city, for weeks at a time? These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are with them." Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is peaceful action. Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... peaceful..... On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. > >
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> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add > others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a > bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for > supporters...... > > 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) > > 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) > > 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence > > > Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's > make Saturday something different. > > Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. > -------------------------------------> The time has come to fight the banks. > > We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join > us in moving from protest to resistance > > No longer will banks take our homes. > > No longer will banks rob students of our future. > > No longer will banks destroy the environment. > > No longer will banks fund the misery of war. > > No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. > And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis > without a struggle. > > The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. > The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. > Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and > beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. > > This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase > and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. > > We. > > Will. > > Occupy. > > Everywhere > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos > <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >> indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stayindefinitely/ >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will
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>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case.” >> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an >> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >> integrated. >> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >> it again, we push further. >> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways >> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >> xob >> >> ->> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-analternative/ >> Not An Alternative >> http://notanalternative.com >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:20:17 PM

Beka is right. Oct. 15 is a good hook - let's use it to escalate, and in Stephen Lerner's words create a crisis for the rich. Mass distributed NVDA. Fluid targets. Solidarity. And it can spread around the country and the world. Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? > http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreetdispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ > > "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public > protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has > been done before. According to New York City law, permits are > necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public > parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, > and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists > have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where > Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free > wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner > in the city, for weeks at a time? > > These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than > those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an > environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be > very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” > protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated > over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the > buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest > happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a > phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester > from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a > disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, > people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are > with them." > > Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it > would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The > NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer
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> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is > peaceful action. > > Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... > peaceful..... > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. >> >> >> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add >> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >> supporters...... >> >> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >> >> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) >> >> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >> >> >> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >> make Saturday something different. >> >> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >> ------------------------------------->> The time has come to fight the banks. >> >> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >> us in moving from protest to resistance >> >> No longer will banks take our homes. >> >> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >> >> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >> >> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >> >> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >> without a struggle. >> >> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. >> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >> >> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase >> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual.
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>> >> We. >> >> Will. >> >> Occupy. >> >> Everywhere >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>> indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupywall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will >>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >>> that this will not be the case.” >>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an >>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>> integrated. >>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >>> it again, we push further. >>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways >>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >>> xob >>> >>> ->>> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporarypractice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>> Not An Alternative >>> http://notanalternative.com >>> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:20:04 PM

He basically said that the weather will chase us out, and I think that is what they have been hoping for a while. I will repeat that I think we need to take a large part of our budget and buy the right gear for a winter stay. I will have some time Christmas vacation and winter vacation in February. That would really mess with them if we were still here in the spring.

On 10/10/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case.” Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob

-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:36:40 AM

Before we begin considering other locations, let's fix this one--so there is a model of success and inspiration. These issues must be taken up at sustainability meeting this afternoon. Sustainability is the movement of this occupation, more than anything else, we are negating the logic of wall street's greed and corruption in economically and socially concrete ways. The material base of the movement is the occupation. Any movement/support/mobilization is rooted in our daily struggles at the occupation. Forgive me for being didactic: from March 18 to May 28, 1871 the Paris Commune gave birth to two movements, both Marx and Proudhoun, who were comrades in arms, formulated their ideas and their studies rooted in the historical reality of the Paris Commune--all the subsequent variations of political economy were inspired by this brief experiment in europe, which itself, if i may argue, is inspired from political economy of landless indigenous peoples--outside Europe. SO, while you may see a division in occupation/movement--protest/resistance--these developments are directly rooted in our base: a sustainable occupation. We should be clear about the relationship of the occupation and the movement, and elaborate our strategies/visions/demands/principles and democratic process concretely and accordingly. This way we can maintain consensus that is inspiring and constructive, (rather than redbaiting each other, like certain individuals feel so compelled to do so, perhaps might find more friends in the republican/ or tea party who share this custom...) So lets think of it as symphony of pluralism with creative improvised variations on a theme--we all make some kind of noise. The theme is the occupation: landless individuals comprising a collective of participatory democracy liberating public space for sustainability. NOT only should we do it, but we should to do it well with kindness--victory is in the process and the details of this coming together and decolonization. We have to collectively address several burning issues, sleeping bags are top of the list, perhaps the possibility of having tents (yes an act of outright civil disobedience) erecting solar panels--getting our scientist comrades to find solutions to our energy crisis, addressing proper recycling practices, health and hygiene need to be vamped up and last but not least conflict resolution--stress reduction. So we need much better transparency in allocation of finances. Our collective money should prioritize the material challenges of sustainable occupation. The herbalists/nutritionists met yesterday to discuss preventative measures from illnesses that are creeping up. By next week we hope to work closer with kitchen to provide tonics for breakfast, specifically targeting over-nighters. (Spread of illness is our most invisible and insidious enemy.) So we will use "do no harm" principle towards an affective strategy with minimal risks/contraindications. Let's stay human, not just survive but thrive and above all, do no harm. Peace, Shaista

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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:58 AM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: > There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're > staying through Spring. > Some ideas: > * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags > donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) > * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if > they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. > * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for > structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and > community orgs to back us up when we go for it > * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to > help get rid of snow > more ideas floating around out there, many in the works! > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:19 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> He basically said that the weather will chase us out, and I think that is >> what they have been hoping for a while. I will repeat that I think we need >> to take a large part of our budget and buy the right gear for a winter >> stay. I will have some time Christmas vacation and winter vacation in >> February. That would really mess with them if we were still here in the >> spring. >> >> >> On 10/10/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >> indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stayindefinitely/ >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will >> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case.” >> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for >> the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to >> make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >> longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >> integrated. >> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >> it again, we push further. >> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways >> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >> xob >> >> ->> >> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-analternative/ >> Not An Alternative >> http://notanalternative.com >> >

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> > -> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-analternative/ > Not An Alternative > http://notanalternative.com > Fission Strategy > http://fissionstrategy.com > > Phone: 917-202-5479 > Skype: bekamop > Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17 Re: [september17discuss] URGENT! FIGHT DC37 LAYOFFS TUESDAY 10/11 @ 9:45AM! Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:47:12 AM

Quick correction: DO NOT engage in disruptions or CD at the city council hearing tom., as it could hurt DC 37's ability to fight for the restoration of the jobs of laid off workers. All are welcome to support DC 37 in encouraging the city to do the right thing and give Local 372 school workers their jobs back! Sorry for any confusion. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Kelley <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: For anyone that is available tomorrow morning before the Sotherby's action, DC 37 could really use your support in fighting the city over the layoffs of school workers from Local 372, at the City Council Finance Committee hearing.. The hearing will begin at 10am at the Emigrant Savings Bank building across from the Department of Education (49-51 Chambers Street), it is important that protesters gather outside of the building from 9:30-9:45 to shame city council members and Chancellor Dennis Walcott as they enter the building (there is only one entrance/exit). Additionally, we need as many people as possible to get inside the hearing to testify and voice public disapproval for the continuation of budget cuts in a time of surplus in the city. If anyone plans on engaging in CD or disruptions make sure that you are not disrupting while folks give testimony against the layoffs. As you all already know, the layoffs of unionized school workers is part of a larger plan announced by the mayor this week to cut an additional $2 billion from city agencies, with health care and education continuing to take the hardest hits. It is time for us to stand up for the rights of workers, schools, and students and to oppose the policies of this ruthless mayor and incompetent Chancellor. Raising enough of a stink at this committee meeting in hearing may provide a small window of opportunity to restore DC 37 workers to the schools that they were unnecessarily and unfairly laid off from. It would be great if we could OWSers to march up to the City Council hearing and get loud. SHUT IT DOWN!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Working group mins Monday, October 10, 2011 1:47:55 PM

I do not see the attachment. On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > > > > > > >

Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Working group mins Monday, October 10, 2011 4:40:00 PM

Im Josh from media production. Who should I email with our mtg minutes to get them posted on nycga.net Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > I do not see the attachment. > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Joshua van Praag >> jvanpraag@me.com >> >> +1.347.445.8315 >> +44.(0)7787.896952

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:11:49 PM

ahora que lo pienso, si querés echar una mano con este reportaje mio...en principio va a salir en la revista de un movimiento social, MPLD, pero luego hay perspectiva que saldra en sudestada... nico 2011/10/11 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: > hola lucas, por si acaso vos no encuentras un argentino, yo viví alli > durante dos años...y mas encima me hago illusiones de ser un argentino > "honorario"...no se si te sirve...igual ahora mismo estoy componiendo > un reportaje para una revista argentina sobre OWS... > > abrazos > > nico > > 2011/10/11 Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com>: >> Hay algun Argentino en este grupo que quiera hacer una nota con un diario? >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:13:32 PM

dale yo me prendo. Un productor de La Nacion me pregunto si conocia a otro argentino involucrado a OWS para hacer una nota mas grande. Te interesa? 2011/10/11 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> ahora que lo pienso, si querés echar una mano con este reportaje mio...en principio va a salir en la revista de un movimiento social, MPLD, pero luego hay perspectiva que saldra en sudestada... nico 2011/10/11 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: > hola lucas, por si acaso vos no encuentras un argentino, yo viví alli > durante dos años...y mas encima me hago illusiones de ser un argentino > "honorario"...no se si te sirve...igual ahora mismo estoy componiendo > un reportaje para una revista argentina sobre OWS... > > abrazos > > nico > > 2011/10/11 Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com>: >> Hay algun Argentino en este grupo que quiera hacer una nota con un diario? >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:20:37 PM

bueno, si me parece barbaro...pero no importa que no soy argentino? de todos modos me encantaria ayudar, y mas porque es la nacion y no clarin. luego podemos hablar de este escrito que tengo yo, si te pinta... 2011/10/11 Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com>: > dale yo me prendo. Un productor de La Nacion me pregunto si conocia a otro > argentino involucrado a OWS para hacer una nota mas grande. Te interesa? > > 2011/10/11 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> >> >> ahora que lo pienso, si querés echar una mano con este reportaje >> mio...en principio va a salir en la revista de un movimiento social, >> MPLD, pero luego hay perspectiva que saldra en sudestada... >> >> nico >> >> 2011/10/11 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: >> > hola lucas, por si acaso vos no encuentras un argentino, yo viví alli >> > durante dos años...y mas encima me hago illusiones de ser un argentino >> > "honorario"...no se si te sirve...igual ahora mismo estoy componiendo >> > un reportaje para una revista argentina sobre OWS... >> > >> > abrazos >> > >> > nico >> > >> > 2011/10/11 Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com>: >> >> Hay algun Argentino en este grupo que quiera hacer una nota con un >> >> diario? >> > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:08:10 PM

hola lucas, por si acaso vos no encuentras un argentino, yo viví alli durante dos años...y mas encima me hago illusiones de ser un argentino "honorario"...no se si te sirve...igual ahora mismo estoy componiendo un reportaje para una revista argentina sobre OWS... abrazos nico 2011/10/11 Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com>: > Hay algun Argentino en este grupo que quiera hacer una nota con un diario?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: RE: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October Monday, October 10, 2011 6:03:02 PM

We'll never get away with an indoor public/private space. We'll be trapped.

On 10/10/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds great... google "privately owned public space nyc" and a list pops up... midtown would be great.... Also finding foreclosed properties would not be a bad idea On Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM, "Xavier Acarin" <xaviacarin@hotmail.com> wrote:

Would it be possible to occupy indoors private-public use spaces around Manhattan for the winter season? Would it be interesting to occupy all 5th ave from Washington Sq. to Central park for the 15-October action? (the avenue will then be use as thermometer displaying how much people is involved and would symbolically have an effect) x.

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:44:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! From: grimwomyn@gmail.com To: september17@googlegroups.com Terrific-- now to get thousands of these: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Sports-Outdoors-Camping-Hand-Warmers-Foot/zgbs/sporting-goods/14332911 before winter really starts..... :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: FYI -------- Original Message --------

Subject:Re: Harmony (epic win!) Date:Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:15:49 +0000 From:fionda@gmail.com Reply-To:fionda@gmail.com To:shar@london.com,"DylanRatigan" <dylanratigan@gmail.com>,"Alphonzo Terrell"<alphonzo.terrell@gmail.com>,"Brendan Crane"<brendan.crane@gmail.com>,"Calvin Roy"<calvinroy8@gmail.com>,"Chris Richards"<chriswillrichards@gmail.com>,"Craig Bethel"<craig.a.bethel@gmail.com>,"David DeGraw"<AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>,"goldinyc@gmail.com"<goldinyc@gmail.com>,"Luke"<revolutionchl@yahoo.com>,"Megan Robertson"<meg.robertson@gmail.com>,"Occupier Jason"<j.sinopoli@gmail.com>,"Occupier Lopi"<artist.proof@gmail.com>,"Sean Kleier"<stkleier@gmail.com>,"Stolleremail"<stoller@gmail.com>,"Catherine Hess" <hessca@gmail.com>
Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! GET THEEVEREST BASE CAMP READY! http://owl.li/6SV32joseph j. fionda - 201.306.2548

From: shar@london.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:41:48 +0000 To: Dylan Ratigan<dylanratigan@gmail.com>; AlphonzoTerrell<alphonzo.terrell@gmail.com>; BrendanCrane<brendan.crane@gmail.com>; CalvinRoy<calvinroy8@gmail.com>; ChrisRichards<chriswillrichards@gmail.com>; CraigBethel<craig.a.bethel@gmail.com>; DavidDeGraw<AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>;goldinyc@gmail.com<goldinyc@gmail.com>; JoeFionda<fionda@gmail.com>; Luke<revolutionchl@yahoo.com>;Megan Robertson<meg.robertson@gmail.com>; OccupierJason<j.sinopoli@gmail.com>; OccupierLopi<artist.proof@gmail.com>; SeanKleier<stkleier@gmail.com>; Stolleremail<stoller@gmail.com> ReplyTo: shar@london.com Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Harmony I, like all of us, could write a list many miles long (and whatarticulate, well thought-out, incredibly well stated replys/lists Ihave read). Essentially it comes down to making the best choices, andreversing the 'wrong' choices, for the greatest good of 100% ofhumanity; there may not be an even remotely apparent way to please 100%of the people 100% of the time, but having the intention to do so is astart... (A delayed response due to technical issues, but time will notend after the meeting)Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 00:26:40 -0400 To: Alphonzo Terrell<alphonzo.terrell@gmail.com>;Brendan Crane<brendan.crane@gmail.com>; CalvinRoy<calvinroy8@gmail.com>; ChrisRichards<chriswillrichards@gmail.com>; CraigBethel<craig.a.bethel@gmail.com>; DavidDeGraw<AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>;goldinyc@gmail.com<goldinyc@gmail.com>; JoeFionda<fionda@gmail.com>; Luke<revolutionchl@yahoo.com>;Megan Robertson<meg.robertson@gmail.com>; OccupierJason<j.sinopoli@gmail.com>; OccupierLopi<artist.proof@gmail.com>; SeanKleier<stkleier@gmail.com>; shar<shar@london.com>;Stolleremail<stoller@gmail.com> Subject: Harmony Hope you all are good. I'm taking the petition with 140,000 after 8days as a USB drive to initiate a public conversation with SenatorDurbin tomorrow midday. about outlawing private money's ability topurchase the government. He has been pushing this for many years. Weare also going to announce the formation of the Get Money OutFoundation. I intend to ask for his response to the rapidly-spreadingOccupation Movement. Are there grievances you have that I can expressto him? Pls advise, --

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:47:39 PM

Obviously (I hope) working groups cannot put out demands without the consensus of the GA. But, the GA is the official consensus decision maker, and only the people that happen to be there when consensus is reached have a say. I just happened to show up the day we reached consensus on the Declaration of the Occupation, which I had never heard of before that night. I recognize anyone's right to do what they think is right, but if we do not follow any decision made by the GA, we will fall apart. I do think there should be more work on the part of these demands groups to reach out to everyone and try to reach the broadest consensus possible. John On 10/11/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not include us, I just won't recognize it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: > this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. > > On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: guindave <guindave@aol.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap >> >> They where already there >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want >> no demands bridging the gap >> >> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >> publication's >> agenda. >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of guindave@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >>

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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jason Jones september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:00:58 PM

I'm trying to stay out of this but I find it so infuriating that there should be one group whose "concensus" is supposed to represent everyone who wants to support this occupation. It's ridiculous to think that that groups decision can represent all those who aren't there! What about all the people who have jobs who can't attend? What about the people who don't have $ for the subway or live outside of the city? They are as pissed off as everyone who has the luxury of attending the GA meetings. I'm fine with any select group coming to a set of demands and putting it forward to join in a mass collective expression. But please, your particular decision, no matter how "democratic" will never speak for everyone. While you speak the language of "equality" be careful your not acts are not that of dictators. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Obviously (I hope) working groups cannot put out demands without the consensus of the GA. But, the GA is the official consensus decision maker, and only the people that happen to be there when consensus is reached have a say. I just happened to show up the day we reached consensus on the Declaration of the Occupation, which I had never heard of before that night. I recognize anyone's right to do what they think is right, but if we do not follow any decision made by the GA, we will fall apart. I do think there should be more work on the part of these demands groups to reach out to everyone and try to reach the broadest consensus possible. John On 10/11/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not include us, I just won't recognize it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: > this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. > > On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: guindave <guindave@aol.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap >> >> They where already there >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want >> no demands bridging the gap

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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:00:37 PM

I didn't even know we adopted the Principles of Solidarity, and I am on the websites and this listserve every day, and at Liberty Park at least once a week. I know that the NYCGA runs only the NY OWS (by the way the first GAs were in Eur-asia) I also know that nycga has no authority over the occupywallst,org site, but as a creation of the GA and one of its working groups I hope that the NYCGA has some authority over the nycga.cc What is the point of having five hour meetings to reach consensus if afterwards everyone goes there own way. Consensus is supposed to keep all of us autonomous individuals moving in the same direction, no? Again the NYCGA has to control what ever message we have reached consensus on or we will be "spun" into a ditch. John

On 10/11/11, Marisa Holmes<marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. Any political statements must go through the GA process. Personally, I'm against having demands at all. We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" Marisa

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, <guindave@aol.com> wrote: > I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? > writting somthing like it ? > > -----Original Message----> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no > demands bridging the gap > > We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not > include us, I just won't recognize it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: > >> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. > > if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. > we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy > theories. >> >> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>

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>>> -----Original Message---->>> From: guindave <guindave@aol.com> >>> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who > > want no demands bridging the gap >>> >>> They where already there >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >>> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who > > want >>> >>> no demands bridging the gap >>> >>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>> publication's >>> agenda. >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: september17@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of guindave@aol.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>> To: september17@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>> demands bridging the gap >>> >>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do > > and >>> >>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a > > constitution >>> >>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
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>>> >> > > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:16:58 PM

Even NPR said tonight, the message from OWS is clear: We are the 99%. Maybe that's all we need to say. The Marines agree - terrific interview here in case you missed it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0aaTGsGdp4c Also, this from DC, Freedom Plaza is Ours and We're Not Giving it Up! http://warisacrime.org/content/freedom-plaza-now-ours On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I'm trying to stay out of this but I find it so infuriating that there should be one group whose "concensus" is supposed to represent everyone who wants to support this occupation. It's ridiculous to think that that groups decision can represent all those who aren't there! What about all the people who have jobs who can't attend? What about the people who don't have $ for the subway or live outside of the city? They are as pissed off as everyone who has the luxury of attending the GA meetings. I'm fine with any select group coming to a set of demands and putting it forward to join in a mass collective expression. But please, your particular decision, no matter how "democratic" will never speak for everyone. While you speak the language of "equality" be careful your not acts are not that of dictators. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

Obviously (I hope) working groups cannot put out demands without the consensus of the GA. But, the GA is the official consensus decision maker, and only the people that happen to be there when consensus is reached have a say. I just happened to show up the day we reached consensus on the Declaration of the Occupation, which I had never heard of before that night. I recognize anyone's right to do what they think is right, but if we do not follow any decision made by the GA, we will fall apart. I do think there should be more work on the part of these demands groups to reach out to everyone and try to reach the broadest consensus possible. John On 10/11/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not include us, I just won't recognize it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: > this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. >

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> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: guindave <guindave@aol.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap >> >> They where already there >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want >> no demands bridging the gap >> >> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >> publication's >> agenda. >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of guindave@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >> >> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and >> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution >> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:03:05 PM

I am actually alarmed to find out we are making a constitution. It seems extremely premature. I am alarmed that the demands committees are extremely hard to find and that the constitution committee also seems to be operating in the dark.

On 10/11/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote: It's interesting that the Demands Committee creates so much alarm whereas the Constitution Committee does not even raise an eyebrow. Constitution is strategic, demands are tactical. Demands do not define a movement, a constitution does. On 10/11/11 12:45 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: > I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. > Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. > Any political statements must go through the GA process. > Personally, I'm against having demands at all. > We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. > We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" > > Marisa > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM,<guindave@aol.com> wrote: >> I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? >> writting somthing like it ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> >> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >> >> We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not >> include us, I just won't recognize it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: >> >>> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. >> if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. >> we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy >> theories. >>> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >>>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: guindave<guindave@aol.com>

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>>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want no demands bridging the gap >>>> They where already there >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >>>> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want >>>> no demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>>> publication's >>>> agenda. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: september17@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of guindave@aol.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>>> To: september17@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>>> demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do >> and >>>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a >> constitution >>>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:22:48 PM

On last count I had about mysterious demands committees that I couldn't really nail down. The closest I came was the Open Source Working Group which was working on a set of demands. I heard a rumor that some of them were worried that the demands would be leaked, but most of our possible demands are on our signs. There is some kind of demands discussion going on on nycga.cc which is good, and it has so many comments now it is hard to read. :) I am going to try hard to be at the meeting on Sunday, even though I am moving away from my original stance that we should have a list of demands. John

On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? > > -----Original Message----> From: guindave <guindave@aol.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want > no demands bridging the gap > > They where already there > > -----Original Message----> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want > no demands bridging the gap > > Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their > publication's > agenda. > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com > [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of guindave@aol.com > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no > demands bridging the gap > > I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 4:01:28 PM

Maybe it should be simplified to point out that we don't endorse any parties unless the GA officially says so. On this point I think the GA of NYC needs a page (preferably the Home page of nycga.cc) with all or at least the most important of our official census derived decisions, so that people that come to us know what we as the GA and OWS have actually decided. On 10/10/11, Charles Lenchner<clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: 1. the notion that the Democratic Party campaigns in a coordinated fashion is kind of silly. 2. if you want to officially distance yourself from any and all movements that have adherents on Zuccotti Park, you'll get in trouble for missing one or the other. In addition to not being coopted by the two party oligarchy, let's also pledge not to be coopted by the Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Loveo-lution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' I for one, will not stand to be coopted by any of these forces, and their omission from this statement opens the door to further coopting. 3. I thought Andrew Boyd invented the 98% meme in 2010, only to watch it be COOPTED by the 99%.But such is political life. 4. Surely the best way to advance the meme that OWS is the Dem tea party is to feed it with attention. In fact, the Job Party and the Coffee Party and the Green Tea Party are the Dem Tea Parties. Not OWS. Written with love and good humor! Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be official. John On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to our long term growth: See this: http://www.dccc.org/pages/occupy The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that thismay be true - certainly hope it is. However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up withthis statement proposal, please consider it:

Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement “We Will NOT Be Co-Opted” Working Group http://ampedstatus.org/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-we-will-not-beco-opted-working-group/

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 4:05:04 PM

I am of the opinion that we NEVER endorse or otherwise appear to be in bed with ANYONE as the problem is the total system. $ flows through all parties equally. On Oct 10, 2011 4:01 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Maybe it should be simplified to point out that we don't endorse any parties unless the GA officially says so. On this point I think the GA of NYC needs a page (preferably the Home page of nycga.cc) with all or at least the most important of our official census derived decisions, so that people that come to us know what we as the GA and OWS have actually decided. On 10/10/11, Charles Lenchner<clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: 1. the notion that the Democratic Party campaigns in a coordinated fashion is kind of silly. 2. if you want to officially distance yourself from any and all movements that have adherents on Zuccotti Park, you'll get in trouble for missing one or the other. In addition to not being coopted by the two party oligarchy, let's also pledge not to be coopted by the Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-o-lution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' I for one, will not stand to be coopted by any of these forces, and their omission from this statement opens the door to further coopting. 3. I thought Andrew Boyd invented the 98% meme in 2010, only to watch it be COOPTED by the 99%.But such is political life. 4. Surely the best way to advance the meme that OWS is the Dem tea party is to feed it with attention. In fact, the Job Party and the Coffee Party and the Green Tea Party are the Dem Tea Parties. Not OWS. Written with love and good humor! Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be official. John On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to our long term growth: See this: http://www.dccc.org/pages/occupy The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that thismay be true - certainly hope it is. However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up withthis statement proposal, please consider it:

Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement “We Will NOT Be Co-Opted” Working Group

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http://ampedstatus.org/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-we-will-not-beco-opted-working-group/

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Don"t let their poison divide us. Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:51:32 AM

Thanks Shaista, feel free to use it if you like :)

On 10/08/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: "fiercely inclusive" i like that! John! On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:35 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > > Divide and Conquer is the most effective technique used by the 1% over the > centuries. Dont let their poison divide us. Accusing each other of bias > will doom us to failure. > > > > I have been working with the GA on OWS since August 2, and I have been > working with many of the occupiers since before that. We are the most > fiercely inclusive group I have ever met. We want to include all of the > 99%. We all came together because we are trying to save the world, and we > know we need everyone to do it. I have never seen anyone in all of these > months exclude or talk about excluding anyone based on race, ethnicity, > religion, gender, gender preference or any of the other divisions (except > maybe for being capitalists, which I think is a mistake). > > > > We are building a new structure from scratch, without the comforts of > leadership and hierarchy to keep everything flowing smoothly. > Communications can be a problem. Working groups can be hard to find. > Sometimes when I find them they already have their own ideas and dont want > to change easily. They are human. > > > > I am a middle aged white male. I hate saying that. I was raised to > interact with people as individuals and to judge their actions and not their > identities. I am not a socialist or an anarchist, so I am under represented > at OWS, but I am trying to save the world, so I keep putting forth my > opinions even though many of my opinions are not popular, and doing outreach > to everyone I know, even though many of my friends are not socialists or > anarchists. I do not judge my colleages at OWS based on their labels, but > on their commitment and perserverence. I love the energy and bravery and > ideas brought to the GA by all of the different groups represented here. > > > > I am trying to build a world that does not concentrate on our differences > but our similarities. We all bleed. We all cry. We all love. We all need > each other.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I understand that the centuries of oppression are real, and ongoing. I am not saying that we should be blind to bias. But our reaction to it must be proactive and not divisive. I have no problem with progressive stack. I have no problem with affirmative action. If you feel someone is under represented. Go out and drag them to the GA. If you feel they voices are not being heard, beg them to raise their hands and make their opinions heard. We are listening.

Our message should not exclude anyone except those that want to divide and conquer us. We are all outreach. OUTREACH TO EVERYONE.

Thank you again for your patience, and impatience, John McGloin

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 6:01:59 PM

I know about the Declaration, but I think we should publicize it more since many people don't seem to know it. But a set of principles is different from a set of grievances. Although maybe negative demands is not so different.

On 10/10/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: John, is this what you are looking for? http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ the important part is at the end: these grievances are not all-inclusive! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I like positive love filled sweep of this piece. I agree with most of it. But I do think we need to communicate something more concrete to the 99%. People who are out of work and losing their house are not interested in grand visions of a possible world. They want solutions to their problems. It may be that the mere existance of OWS and a big message will help, but I think we can oppose things that are obviously harmful. I personaly am not asking anyone to give up "rational self interest." I am only asking them to give up greed, which is irrational. Far sighted rational self interested saves the people and the environment and the economy all at the same time. The rational part means you have to figure it out and make it work though. We could start be putting forth a set of principles, that would communicate to the world the general direction that we want to go. There was a group working on such a thing but I don't know where to find them. Demands don't always have to be in the positive either. End slavery is a perfectly reasonable demand. Like I said I like the article, but many in the 99% need real help right now. Thanks, John

On 10/10/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.realitysandwich.com/occupy_wall_street_no_demand_big_enough

"Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary."

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 11:19:15 PM

Please come to the demands group at 2pm on sunday. All sides must be heard -----Original Message----From: jemcgloin <jemcgloin@verizon.net> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:02 pm Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough I know about the Declaration, but I think we should publicize it more since many people don't seem to know it. But a set of principles is different from a set of grievances. Although maybe negative demands is not so different.

On 10/10/11, gail zawacki&lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote:John, is this what you are looking for? http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ the important part is at the end: these grievances are not all-inclusive! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, &lt;jemcgloin@verizon.net&gt; wrote: I like positive love filled sweep of this piece. I agree with most of it. But I do think we need to communicate something more concrete to the 99%. People who are out of work and losing their house are not interested in grand visions of a possible world. They want solutions to their problems. It may be that the mere existance of OWS and a big message will help, but I think we can oppose things that are obviously harmful. I personaly am not asking anyone to give up "rational self interest." I am only asking them to give up greed, which is irrational. Far sighted rational self interested saves the people and the environment and the economy all at the same time. The rational part means you have to figure it out and make it work though. We could start be putting forth a set of principles, that would communicate to the world the general direction that we want to go. There was a group working on such a thing but I don't know where to find them. Demands don't always have to be in the positive either. End slavery is a perfectly reasonable demand. Like I said I like the article, but many in the 99% need real help right now. Thanks, John

On 10/10/11, gail zawacki&lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote:http://www.realitysandwich.com/occupy_wall_street_no_demand_big_eno

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ugh "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary."

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:50:40 AM

I think it would be optimal if all of the working groups kept up with communications on the nycga site so that the outside world could see what is happening (we can't demand transparency if we can't provide it), learn from it (for example other occupations could see what works and what doesn't) get involved, and make suggestions, or create solutions. This is a tall order, everyone is busy, and it is time consuming to read emails and respond. And it is coming closer to fruition, but direct communication to the outside world by the working groups is a critical part of outreach. Just how difficult it would be to believe that George Sorros was running this thing if you could see the inner workings of all of the groups easily on line. I am working all weekend. Please spread this message to the groups, if it makes sense to you. :) On 10/09/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: What I want to emphasis is not the conversation here should not occur but for us to know that they may not reach the Square where working groups and general assemblies are making decisions. The conversations here are important; the challenge is to make them heard at the park where the direction of the movement is visible to the world and is being shaped. If people on this list serv do not care too much about that, that's cool. On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: One thing to keep in mind is that, as John pointed out, not everyone can spend hours every day in the park. The listserv is a way for some of those people (which is most of the 99%) to stay in touch with each other. Even if the discussions here don't correspond to what is happening in the park, the park is not the whole movement. Most of the people we are trying to reach can't commit to spending huge amounts of time in the park. This is why I think that what really matters most about OWS is not what those of us who go to the park every day or nearly every day do, but what the millions who aren't in the park but sympathize with us do. Doug On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Again with the echo and repeat, As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to keep up with this email list. So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved. Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed. It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment. Peace and Love, Jason

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote:

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Echo and repeat. I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement > are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info > desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been > trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit > from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due > to the lack of time. > Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:33:11 PM

(Frowny face.) I thought you guys liked me… --glj On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: Only option now is brutal separation. The democrats are the enemy. Smash capitalism! On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: " anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get swallowed by us. "
+1000

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:16 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

That is %#$%ed up! That is the problem with not controlling our message and not copyrighting our slogans, but we are getting free advertising. Maybe the GA should put out a message condemning their, or anybody's stealing our endorsement. One thing though, anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get swallowed by us. On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I take back what I said. http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/635?akid=1400.1574445.C7OweO&rd=1&t=1 It's already happened.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Folks might be surprised at the level of liberal/radical fraternization that has been taking place since the Bloombergville stuff. The idea that liberals were ignorant, then snarky, then busy taking over is pure fantasy. I know some folks at Rebuild the Dream. They have no intention of taking over OWS. That said, y'all know Max Berger? He did the 'briefcase brigades' with 'the other 98%' group, left his old job to work on economic issues from a grassroots, youth perspective, and was then hired by RTD. You want to paint him as some outsider liberal poaching off this movement? Just crazy. And a LOT of the folks under attack as 'coopters' would fall into a similar category. Is labor backed, former ACORN chapter New York Communities for Change 'liberal'? Is the Transport Workers Union 'liberal'? That said, I'm not liberal. But some of my best friends are. And I've dated some. My sister married one. Heck, I'm pretty sure I've voted for a few in my day! So times really are a-changin'. Perhaps it is time to let bygones be bygones and let them integrate with folks like us. I lot of what I hear said about 'em is just plain ignorant. What we really need to worry about is the People's Front of Judea. Charles On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote:

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Hi I am not a liberal. In fact I am generally extremely antagonistic toward the position. In spite of that, I agree with jemcgloin. OWS has so far been very successful at building numbers without alienating. The expression of frustration that we currently collectively represent clearly targets financial centers, and doesn't preclude militant tactics (like occupation). Be grateful for how far we've come so far. For now its true we really are in this together. Until that changes (allegiances change etc.) avoid divisiveness and use the opportunity to push the whole toward the most radical ends. With numbers we could really make something of this.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Hi I am a "liberal" involved in the GA since the first day. We are supposed to be and inclusive movement trying to gain support, not excluding liberals because they didn't all jump in on day one. move-on has always supported the democratic party. Their house parties have been going on all year. I went to one in July and brought people from there to the first NYCGA and moveon members have been active the whole time. I am not a fan of the democratic party, and I don't think we should be endorsing them or any other party or candidate, but we don't need to say bad things about their members, only policies or legislation we disagree with. The 99% is very big and chasing away some that are close to our positions because they work within the system is not a good idea. Diversity of tactics does not only mean civil disobedience. It can also mean that other groups can attempt to pass legislation that helps people without our condemning their existance. The moveon people that i know believe that corporations are destroying the world and are trying to fight it the way they know how. Go read the list of demands that they came up with through a national voting system. Give them advise, disagree with them but please don't come on here and claim that they are trying to steal our movement. We are all in this together. John On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote:

MoveOn.Org and FriendsAttempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement
Tuesday 11 October 2011 by: Steve Horn, Truthout | News Analysis Gandhi once said [3] ofgrowing movements of social protestation, "First they ignore you, thenthey laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." The trajectoryof the ever-evolving and growing Occupy Wall Street movement followsthe same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation.

Now, apply that model to the most recent public relations andmarketing ploys of organizations like MoveOn.org, the ascendant"Reclaim the American Dream Movement" and the general segment ofsociety author and journalist Chris Hedges calls the

Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zucotti Parkin New York, October 7, 2011. Protests in Wall Street section of NewYork enter their third week, with similar efforts springing up inBoston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle. (Photo: Michael Appleton /The New York Times)

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"Liberal Class" inhis most recent book titled "The Death of the Liberal Class [4]" (of which the former two are both apart). In so doing, one can observe a perfect case study of the liberalclass in action, in four distinct acts, with one exception: "then theyfight you" can be replaced with "then they attempt to co-opt yourmovement." Act One - Getting Ignored: In the early planningstages of Occupy Wall Street, few eyes were on those working behind thescenes to make this vision a reality. With little funding backing theircause, the activists calling for this action, to those even paying anyattention to them at all (few and far between), seemed quixotic or atthe very least, overly optimistic. This was the case even to thosehighly sympathetic to the cause and its accompanying ideology. How in the world does a rag-tag bunch of activists take on thefinancial power center of the world that calls the shots politically instatehouses around the country, on a federal level and around theworld? Because the task was such a monumental undertaking, theseactivists were essentially ignored all throughout the planning stagesand into the opening days of the occupation itself. The liberal class, predictably, was nowhere to be seen in theplanning stages of Occupy Wall Street, wholeheartedly ignoring thefact, or simply not even knowing the fact, that this occupation was inthe works. Act Two - Getting Laughed at: Once it was seenthat, while not yet a movement, the people occupying Wall Street had,at the very least, legitimate grievances, the liberal class resorted toscornful tactics like mockery of the type of people in the movement -ad hominem attacks, if you will. The scorn was well-depicted by liberal environmental blogger,Grist's David Roberts, who tweeted [5],"I've been reading about #occupywallstreet for the last hour or two& it's just horrific. Practically designed to discredit leftistprotest." It was also on perfect display with liberal blogger DavidAtkins, who mockingly tweeted [6],"If you want to #occupywallstreet, 1) shave 2) wear some decent clothes3) coordinate signs about inequality 4) get a media spokesperson." Thediatribe proceeded for multiple tweets, Atkins having listed ten points. In a post titled [7],"What's behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?" Salon.comblogger Glenn Greenwald aptly explained their behavior and tactics,writing, "Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailinginstitutional power is going to be viewed with hostility byestablishmentserving institutions and their loyalists. That's just thenature of protests that take place outside approved channels, aninevitable by-product of disruptive dissent: those who are most vestedin safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives ... aregoing to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universaldisdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for theIraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial itis, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke." The liberal class, though, quickly realized that Occupy Wall Streetwas gaining traction, with leaders of the left like Francis Fox Piven [8],MichaelMoore [9], Naomi Klein [10],Cornel West [11]and Joseph Stiglitz [12]joining the cause in solidarity, and its leaders realized that it mustco-opt the movement while time is still on its side. Act Three - Co-Option: With Occupy Wall Streetoff the ground, but its longevity still in flux, MoveOn.org and itscousin, the Center For American Progress [13], and Van Jones' [14]Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], were nowhere to be found. Instead,they were busy planning the Take BackThe American Dream Conference [16],which took place from October 3 through October 5. "Taking back the American Dream," Jones said in an interviewappearing on AlterNet [17],will be a three-step process. First, the planned November 17 "Rising Tide of Protest [18]," a protest, led by the Reclaim the

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American Dream Movement [15], will be held in a network ofcities throughout the United States. As FireDogLake's David Dayen explained [18],"[The] November 17 protests announced by the American Dream Movement... [are] a one-day protest across multiple cities across the countrythat organizers hope will be a massive activation of their supporters." Second, an amalgamation of coordinated house meetings and onlineteach-ins. "We're going to try to get a million leaders in Americaonline and talking with each other. And that's going to be a majorpiece," said Jones. Third and most importantly to an organization "powered by," (aka aproject of) MoveOn.org [19],which among other things, is an organization that raises campaign moneyfor Democratic Party candidates, Jones said the 2012 elections are avital piece of the puzzle. "And then there's a third piece and it's new- and it seems to have escaped people's notice - and that's that we'vesaid we're going to run 2012 people for office in 2012. Now, that's abig deal," Jones stated. "We're talking about U.S. senators who want to run as AmericanDream candidates - soon to be announced. We've reached out to the HouseDemocratic Caucus; there are House members who want to run as AmericanDream candidates," he continued. What this translates to, in layman's terms, is the very process ofco-opting a growing movement of democratic resistance and trying toreplace it with a sales pitch to go out in 2012 and vote Democrat.Jones and the Democratic Party operations in disguise, namely the likesof MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress, are taking a pageout of the Dick Armey and Koch brothers' Tea Party co-option playbookwith this one. Indeed, many forget that before the Tea Party was an Astroturfmovement funded by Armey and the Koch brothers, it was an enragedgrassroots movement, led mostly by Ron Paul libertarians [20].Then it got co-opted and now it is a rotten pawn of corporate elites. If Occupy Wall Street organizers are not careful, this could alsobe their destiny. Act Four - Win or Be Co-Opted? That Is the Question: OccupyWall Street, now three weeks into the occupation, now finds itself in apivotal moment. Will the nonpartisan, antiestablishment movement allowitself to be co-opted by the Democratic Party serving powers that be,i.e. by the MoveOn.orgs and Center for American Progresses of theworld, or will it remain a strong, left, independent force that growswith each passing day and strikes fear into what the late sociologistC. Wright Mills calls the powerelite [21]? One thing is for certain - the liberal class is working overtime toco-opt a burgeoning social justice movement. Exhibit A: On October 5, Day 19 of Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn.orgsent out an email calling on clicktivists (as opposed to activists) to"Join the Virtual March on Wall Street." "The 99% are both aninspiration and a call that needs to be answered. So we're answering ittoday, in a nationwide Virtual March on Wall Street to support theirdemand for an economy that serves the many, not the few ... Join in thevirtual march by doing what hundreds have done spontaneously across theweb: Take your picture holding a sign that tells your story, along withthe words 'I am the 99%,'" wrote Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org. John Stauber [22]is a longtime critic of organizations like MoveOn.org and Center forAmerican Progress, and founder of the Center for Media and Democracyand co-author of "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You," a book that exposeshow corporations and vested interests work to co-opt movements forchange. In an interview, he stated, "Don't be fooled. This willprimarily be an effort to co-opt the language and energy to salvageObama and the Dem Party. This is how you co-opt movements. The OccupyWall Streeters are not leader oriented. Van Jones will become the voiceof this in the mainstream," "The same thing happened to anti-war in 2007. MoveOn.org was, tothe mainstream, the voice of that movement," Stauber continued. "It iseasy to read between the lines. For one thing, there is no

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criticism ofObama in the 'Reclaim the Dream' messaging and marketing. No one with anational reputation is going to do anything to undermine hisre-election efforts. There is huge money in supporting Obama andnothing but pain and punishment in not - both desperation and selfinterest are driving this at this point in time." As Stauber alluded to, one only has to look a few years down thememory hole to see that, as William Faulkner wrote in "Requiemfor a Nun [23]," "The past isnever dead. It's not even past!" In an article about how the Democratic Party, teaming up withMoveOn.org and other like-minded apparatchiks, viewed the Iraq war as a"gift" to wield for electoral purposes in the 2006 elections, Stauberwrote, "And how have the Democrats treated their gift now that theycontrol Congress? The Democratic House and Senate have continued tofund the war while posturing against it ..." Later, in that same piece, Stauber juxtaposed the operatives withIraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organization that is againstimperialistic foreign policy no matter who is in office, writing,"[IVAW] are not the concoction of a liberal think tank or PR firm; theyhave very little funding; they are not avoiding criticism of Democrats;and they are not playing political games trying to bankshot Democraticcandidates into the White House and Congress in 2008. They are in opennonviolent revolt against US foreign policy, criticizing politiciansof all stripes who would exploit the war for political gain." Fast forward five years and a nearly parallel situation exists. Anindependent and democratic economic justice movement, ground zero ofwhich exists at the power center of economic injustice, namely WallStreet, has now spread to every corner of the country in some form orfashion within the framework of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Democratic Party vultures are waiting to swoop in, steal thethunder and then make sure the focus is on electing Democrats, who arejust as much to blame as Republicans for the ascendancy of Wall Street.If anything, they are even more to blame for the pacification role theyplay in coopting the overwhelming swath of the left time and timeagain, no matter what horrible policies they pass. Will Occupy Wall Street of 2011 be a repeat of the Iraq war of2006? Similar forces are at bay, that is for certain. It will all depend on activists deciding whether they choose to beused as a "gift," or if they choose to remain independent of the forcesof co-option. Act four, to say the least, should be interesting. http://www.truth-out.org/print/7323

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] OWS online presence Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:48:46 PM

what is the point of not having an official site?

On 10/11/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: +1 on no official website. Thing that stands out in my mind re nycga.net is that it only has consensed-upon statements on it, which makes it more valuable than the next site. But not official. Sent from my iPad On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:40 AM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: i thought we were going w/ no "official" website - leaderless,decentralized, right? of course http://nycga.cc ,OccupyWallSt.org and OccupyTogether pull most traffic n have ton ofstreet cred tho On 10/11/2011 12:08 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: occupywallst.org has always seemed helpful but the officialwebsite is nycga.cc This is an important issue that needs to be workedout

On10/10/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com>wrote: Actuallyyou are bringing a very interesting question. I just heard that occupywallst.org isjust a group of 4 individuals who do not necessarily respond to OWS. Ifthat is true it is an untenable situation, and perhaps the reason ofthe unresponsiveness that I have also heard in many corners of theplaza. OWS should have direct online presence, with a LOT of workingunemployed people, not a somehow "friendly" entity of a few peoplewilling or not willing to post content. Cesar On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it>wrote:

I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from occupywallst.org.As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don'tthink it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below theWhere, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and OfficialDeclarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g.sept17outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA website.

On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote:
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Where do we post minutes? I know they go on thissite: http://nycga.cc,I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see itlinked to from OccupyWallSt.org, and don't see instructions on thenycga.cc site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins andcoordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like listthis is more for discussion rather than working business. Does itmakes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-forcontemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] OWS online presence Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:39:47 PM

I think having no official website is a big mistake. The General Assembly needs to communicate directly to the world in some way or else others will do it for us and twist our message into making the 1% richer. For example, we have reached consensus on a Declaration of the Occupation, but nobody seems to know about it except for Keith Olberman. occupywallst.org is the oldest of these websites, and has been very important but never claimed to be the voice of the GA. nycga.cc, however was, correct me if i am wrong, created specifically by a working group of the GA to communicate our message to the world and to help coordinate the activities of the GA. occupytogether.org says out front it is independent and has a very limited (but powerful) mission which it has been pursuing with great success. I would like to see better coordination between occupywallst and nycga and less duplication of efforts but that is as a user and obviously not as an administrator of either. But, to repeat myself, if the GA does not have a home page that communicates its decisions to the world than the media will make up whatever they want to hear and it will become fact before we can do anything about it. The GA has reached consensus on some very important debates, and these decisions should be front and center on an official site, so people know exactly what we have and have not decided. As usual, everyone is entitled to my opinion ;), feel free to set me straight, which I know you will. John On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: i thought we were going w/ no "official" website - leaderless,decentralized, right? of course http://nycga.cc ,OccupyWallSt.org and OccupyTogether pull most traffic n have ton ofstreet cred tho On 10/11/2011 12:08 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: occupywallst.org has always seemed helpful but the officialwebsite is nycga.cc This is an important issue that needs to be workedout

On10/10/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com>wrote: Actuallyyou are bringing a very interesting question. I just heard that occupywallst.org isjust a group of 4 individuals who do not necessarily respond to OWS. Ifthat is true it is an untenable situation, and perhaps the reason ofthe unresponsiveness that I have also heard in many corners of theplaza. OWS should have direct online presence, with a LOT of workingunemployed people, not a somehow "friendly" entity of a few peoplewilling or not willing to post content. Cesar On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it>wrote:

I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from occupywallst.org.As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don'tthink it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below theWhere, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and OfficialDeclarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g.sept17-outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA website.

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On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on thissite: http://nycga.cc,I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see itlinked to from OccupyWallSt.org, and don't see instructions on thenycga.cc site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins andcoordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like listthis is more for discussion rather than working business. Does itmakes sense to have separate Sept17discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practicewith-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Questions and proposal abt info systems Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:15:40 AM

Thanks so much Ryan, this is incredibly helpful!!! I wonder if it makes sense to have the "Working Group General Info" listed below made accessible online, either on the NYCGA.cc or OccupyWallSt.org site, whichever is appropriate (or both). If the NYCGA.cc one is the best (I suspect it is) then it'd be great to get that url out further, at least visibly in the space. I only just learned about it. Maybe the WG General Info could be the first item on the Working Groups tab. It does look like some of this info is outdated, I know that some working groups meet at different times/places than what is listed below. A plug for WGs to please review Info's list and update anything that's out of date please! I've been taking minutes at meetings I've gone to on my laptop, so I can't drop them off in the info box. They've gotten posted on the listserv for that working group, but I don't know that they've been circulated farther or posed on the site. Should we email electronic minutes to Drew@nycga.net? Agreed about Working Groups notifying Info about the when and where of their meetings, especially when moving them offsite. It's been a challenge to plug in and help out, but that would make a big difference. Also love the idea of separating out a discussion list from a "Working Group Coordination" listserv, where minutes from all groups are sent, and intra-WG business can be covered. Not a place for theoretical/strategic discussion, but rather an online extension of the 9am working group check-in mtgs. There are many folks whose work is connected to or contingent upon other working groups, so this could facilitate coordination. Y'all are doing an amazing job, thanks again for the info, and for all your hard work! I've never been so inspired. Beka On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:00 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
+1000000000

On 10/08/11, Ryan Green<ryangreenish@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Beka, My name is Ryan. I work at the info booth with some other folks. This is a huge problem that we've been trying to deal with. We've got to get everyone down at Liberty Plaza in the habit of telling the info booths when anything and everything is happening/ is changing / is moving. My understanding about the 9am Working Groups general meeting was that it doesn't happen on the weekends... but if you're saying that it did happen and moved somewhere outside of the square, then I guess it is still happening. I attempted to go last Saturday
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and couldn't find where it was being held, so I assumed it wasn't happening. Both info booths on either ends of the park have white boards.... we can try to be better about posting a daily schedule. I was under the impression that minutes get physically dropped into a box located near the central info booth, and someone from internet types them up that evening... I'll check on this and get back to you. To the best of my knowledge there is not a Working Group listserv but that would be a good idea. I'm going to paste into this email the most current info we have on each working group. Hope this helps. And I'll get back to you on the those questions I wasn't sure about. - Ryan

occupy wall street

working groups general information
Arts & Culture Contact: arts_culture@nycga.net Phone: 1-864-832-7875 Meetings: Arts & Culture Working Group 6pm @ Northwest Corner of Park Art & Culture 2 Contact: petroniuse@yahoo.com Education & Empowerment Inviting Community Activists and Academics for daily open forums @ 6pm. Everyone is encouraged to invite speakers! Contact: empowermentandeducation@gmail.com Phone: 1-410-294-7477 Meetings: Empowerment & Education Planning Meeting - Tuesdays @ 8:30pm Daily Open Forums @ 6pm Occupy TV NY Group of Videographers and Video Editors (pro). Skills req: Videographer / Own Video Camera Contact: Dwayne12345@gmail.com Nick @ Night (Tobacco Station) We keep the people calm by rolling them tobacco and making everyone smile. Contact: Nick_long34@yahoo.com Location: South Side of Zuccotti Park, near Medical and Comfort. Safer Space Committee Working for respect of women, LGBTQ, & POC, Rape victim advocates, queers encouraged to come! Contact: saferspacesows@gmail.com Meeting: Safer Space Group Meeting - 10pm or after GA, near Halal Cart on Cedar Political and Electoral Reform Working Group Devoted to brainstorming recommendations for political and electoral reform. Contact: charles.a.petersea@gmail.com Meeting: Political & Electoral Reform Daily Meeting - 6pm in front of the People's Library Graphic Design Graphic design, fliers, map, signage, posters etc. New members will be accepted starting October 16th. Please send an email if you would like to learn more or join earlier. Contact: design@nycga.net Meeting: Sunday Afternoons (Contact for more details) Occupy Wall Street People's Library

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We organize the library! New librarians, ideas, books & resources welcome! Website: peopleslibrary.wordpress.com Contact: owspeopleslibrary@gmail.com Location: Visit us in the North East corner of Liberty Plaza The Occupy Wall Street Archives Documenting the historic activities and events of Occupy Wall Street & Liberty Plaza through archiving video, audio, fliers and signs. Contact: archives@nycga.net Meeting: Archive coordination Meeting - Wednesdays at 8pm @ The People's Library Food We Feed the Occupiers! Contact: occupiedkitchen@gmail.com Meeting: Kitchen Lunch - 11am @ Kitchen Kitchen Dinner / Night Shift - 4pm @ Kitchen Facilitation Facilitation of the democratic process in the General Assembly & Direct Democracy Training Contact: mappchris@yahoo.com, jason.ahmadi@gmail.com , hmmpoeddp@gmail.com Phone: Daniel Depaola: 504-846-7058 Meetings: Facilitation Meeting - 4pm @ Meet at South side of Plaza, then offsite *** Direct Democracy Training - 5:30pm Daily

Education Skill workshops & videos. Topics include: Sewing, Polyamory, Horticulture, Anti-Opression, Breaking Gender Binary Consensus. Starts Friday, Meetings TBA Contact: OWSEducation@gmail.com Public Relations Press relations, training people to speak to media Contact: press@occupywallst.org, kira.annika@gmail.com Meeting: PR Working Group: 3:30pm @ Press Table under Welcome Table East Sanitation Working Group We clean up the park and keep spaces free from clutter. Look for people with green arm bands Contact: Dilinga - Dilingal@gmail.com Security Security and De-escalation. Contact: burke.art@gmail.com Meeting: Security Meeting - 12pm (almost Daily) @ Media Center Accountability & Transparency We ensure transparency within & among working groups, GA, and Occupation. Contact: hmmpoeddp@gmail.com Phone: Daniel Depaola: 504-846-7058 Meeting: A&T Meeting - 6pm Daily @ Sitting Man Statue, then head off site Direct Action Primarily plans marches / march guidelines and create other direct actions. Contact: owsdawg@gmail.com Meeting: DA Daily Meeting - 2pm M-Fri @ Triangular cement park at Trinity & Edgar Outreach Reaching out to local people, communities, groups & organizations to help grow the OWS movement. We

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raise awareness and support. Outreach is looking for neighborhood coordinators in communities across Manhattan & Boroughs Contact: owsoutreach@gmail.com Meeting: Outreach Working Group - 5pm Daily @ Outreach Table Occupy Wall Street Journal Contact: owsmedia@gmail.com

Information / Front Desk We are the Info hub, with four tables providing guidance and orientation in Liberty Plaza. Contact: owsinfodeck@gmail.com Alternative Banking Purpose: to explore and, if possible, establish alternative banking systems, that might replace the current system this will be a very practical, outcome-oriented group. I am particularly interested in hearing from those with skills and experience in banking and finance discussion will be online in the first instance, in person meetings also possible Contact: Carne Ross; carne@carneross.com Community Relations Working with local businesses, residents and workers - we are their neighbors. Contact: Justin - modsticks@yahoo.com Labor Support / Outreach Contact: JDiSalvo@nyc.rr.com Outreach - NYC Universities Outreach to local Universities and Student Gov. Contact: thedesimone@gmail.com People of Color Working Group unified.ows@gmail.com

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hi there, I'm guessing there are probably already systems in place to address these questions but after a week onsite I'm having trouble figuring out what they are. I and a couple of other folks tried to make the working group check-in this morning but it had been moved off-site and no one at the info table or around our mic check were able to tell us where it was moved to. Made me think it'd be great if Working Groups could have someone notify the Info Table when there's a spontaneous decision to move meetings off site. For spontaneous/unscheduled moves, the Red Cube across the street or Charlotte seem to be the best spots: ideally, if we don't know where to find folks, checking in those two places will work. Is it possible for Working Groups and the Info desk to have white boards where they write in the where/when of upcoming meetings?

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Also, a couple of questions: I've been asking around and folks don't seem to know, and I can't find any info online about the following: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this site: http://nycga.cc, I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from OccupyWallSt.org, and don't see instructions on the nycga.cc site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-withnot-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:26:40 PM

As someone who has been for a unified message from the beginning I have to say that Rob is exactly right about this.

On 10/09/11, rob hollander<lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: Should a broad movement endorse specific bills?? If the movement is broad and popular, legislators will throng to cater to it. So there's no need for the movement to cater to the legislators -- that's the recipe for selling out, maybe an endpoint of the movement's process, not a good beginning. And if the bill is imperfect, it will compromise, divide and infect the movement. Raise the banner of jobs, and watch the politicians come to sell their measures to us. When they do, raise the defects of the bill. That's where the debate and the process should lead -- on our turf, not theirs. Not leading the sheep into their fold.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: It is not a stimulus at all, it is a slave labor plan, as I wrote earlier. It calls for having people collecting unemployment compensation work for corporations who pay NOTHING for their labor. ie The government is paying for free labor for corporations. This will not alleviate unemployment, but only encourage it. We need to pass Glass-Steagall in order to break up the banks, and have the legitimate savings and loan system be the means of distributing GOVERNMENT CREDIT for GREAT PROJECTS. Couldn't our nation use some water management?? NAWAPA is really the way to go and would employ 7-8 million people. (North American Water and Power Alliance, designed by Parsons Group-- the guys who did the Hoover Dam, had Kennedy not been assassinated we'd have it by now.) On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I hope the jobs act gets passed, but don't fool yourself that it is a massive stimulus. It is a puny stimulus. We should be demanding a multi trillion dollar jobs program, not begging for tax cuts for small business.

On 10/07/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: I'm sorry for creating this massive thread, and I do apologize to those who, like myself, work day jobs and have caregiving duties. I just want to add something to the context of this discussion of potential intersections of the occupation with policy: Within the next few weeks or months, Greece is likely going to default on its debts, setting off a chain reaction and causing another round of global financial turmoil. Many people, like myself, may lose their jobs and the stakes will instantly be higher for this movement and for the country at large. The economy will need a massive injection of stimulus from the government to try to mitigate the damage. For this completely practical reason, I suggest that the movement takes another look at the American Jobs Act, and if not that, then larger stimulus and/or job programs that may be able to slightly alleviate Depressionlike conditions. On that topic, I like the idea that the movement sees itself in some way as a hub in a global support network or alternative
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economy, particularly in light of what looks to be around the corner. I hope I'm wrong! By the way, I will be hosting a little discussion of credit unions on October 15th at Zucotti Park at 6pm. It would be nice to meet some of you. Thanks everyone, and sorry again for the long-winded discussion. On Oct 7, 6:07 pm, David Graeber <da...@anarchisms.org> wrote: > There's a big action at Occupy Austin today aiming to do just that. > David > > Sent from my Magic Brain > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping peole move from payday loans to credit unions. > > > On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Charles says "By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter> > narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > > we're going to gain momentum." > > > I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be lowhanging, but it's rotten to the core. > > > I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). > > > Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. > > > This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. > > > Solidarity, >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Jon > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote: > There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who > quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would > like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the > democratic and republican two party rule. >http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wal... > (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a > left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is > a right wing split from Republicans--) > Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum > ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of > this political system--> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: > > +1 > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> > internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > > hold off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic.

> > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > much to be done and we will continue forward." > > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rj...@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. No Demands. No Endorsements. Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<Da...@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0...@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. On , Charles <chcreinha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys,

> >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted > >> > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > >> > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or > >> > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this > >> > country. > >> > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of > >> > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the > >> > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or > >> > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of > >> > corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off > >> > Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced > >> > lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill > >> > itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House > >> > approach. > >> > I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that there > >> > are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want to > >> > know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course of > >> > action or line of thinking. > >> > Sincerely, > >> > Charles Reinhardt

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:11:01 PM

But the virus is much more powerful as long as we hold this spot.

On 10/11/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: yes! the movement spreads like a virus, Zucotti is just one more place... On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Lycophidion wrote: > Very important to distinguish between the *occupation* and the > *movement*. The two are not identical. The occupation at Liberty Park > could end at some point, but I believe a tipping point has been > reached in the birth of a movement, a collective will to resist and > oppose corporate America's "one-sided class war." At this point, there > is perhaps still an umbilical cord.... > > If the occupation does end (and I don't see that happening anytime > soon), it must be on our terms and under our control. > > The movement is beginning to or will begin to develop its own dynamic, > apart from physical occupations of terrain, although that continues to > be an effective strategy. > > m. > > > > On Oct 10, 7:38 pm, beka economopoulos <b...@notanalternative.net> > wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely:http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-stre... >> >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> >> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will >> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case. >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:13:35 PM

I had to laugh a little when I read Bloomberg's statement. As if it was (really) up to him... On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:10 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
But the virus is much more powerful as long as we hold this spot.

On 10/11/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: yes! the movement spreads like a virus, Zucotti is just one more place... On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Lycophidion wrote: > Very important to distinguish between the *occupation* and the > *movement*. The two are not identical. The occupation at Liberty Park > could end at some point, but I believe a tipping point has been > reached in the birth of a movement, a collective will to resist and > oppose corporate America's "one-sided class war." At this point, there > is perhaps still an umbilical cord.... > > If the occupation does end (and I don't see that happening anytime > soon), it must be on our terms and under our control. > > The movement is beginning to or will begin to develop its own dynamic, > apart from physical occupations of terrain, although that continues to > be an effective strategy. > > m. > > > > On Oct 10, 7:38 pm, beka economopoulos <b...@notanalternative.net> > wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely:http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-stre... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case.”

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Babak K september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Sunday Open Forum: 12pm Zizek, 1pm PARECON, 2pm Dom Workers Alliance, 3 Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:06:18 AM

Yes he is coming On Saturday, October 8, 2011, <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we get confirmation on Zizek coming? Thanks > > On , Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >> is zizek coming to liberty plaza...... >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Vicente Rubio vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> posted. >> >> >> 2011/10/8 Babak K bkarimi17@gmail.com> >> >> >> tomorrow Open Forum teachins @occupywallstreet: >> >> >> >> Slavoj Zizek 12pmParticipatory Economics 1pm >> >> Update on the domestic workers alliance movement 2pm >> Mass Incarceration and the Other 1% 3pm >> NY Taxi Workers Alliance Speakout 4pm >> Updates from the Oaxaca Struggle 5pm >> Movement for Justice in El Barrio 6pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:17:03 PM

Depending on the kind of weather we get igloos could be effective.

On 10/11/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're staying through Spring. Some ideas: * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and community orgs to back us up when we go for it * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to help get rid of snow more ideas floating around out there, many in the works! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:19 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: He basically said that the weather will chase us out, and I think that is what they have been hoping for a while. I will repeat that I think we need to take a large part of our budget and buy the right gear for a winter stay. I will have some time Christmas vacation and winter vacation in February. That would really mess with them if we were still here in the spring.

On 10/10/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case.” Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob

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-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:45:07 AM

Even thought it was orginally my suggestion on secound thought you are right -----Original Message----From: jemcgloin <jemcgloin@verizon.net> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:04 am Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one.

On 10/10/11, Will Gauss&lt;willgauss@gmail.com&gt; wrote:No, veto. Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: &gt; Word Financial Mall at &gt; 25 Liberty square &gt; This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors &gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message----&gt; From: Will Gauss &lt;willgauss@gmail.com&gt; &gt; To: september17 &lt;september17@googlegroups.com&gt; &gt; Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm &gt; Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase &gt; &gt; Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. &gt; &gt; Sent from my iPhone &gt; &gt; On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn &lt;grimwomyn@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? &gt; http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-ofthe-plan/ &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public &gt;&gt; protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has &gt;&gt; been done before. According to New York City law, permits are &gt;&gt; necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in

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public &gt;&gt; parksâso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, &gt;&gt; and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists &gt;&gt; have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where &gt;&gt; Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free &gt;&gt; wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner &gt;&gt; in the city, for weeks at a time? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than &gt;&gt; those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an &gt;&gt; environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyâve learned to be &gt;&gt; very creative. Their signature move is the so-called âstrollingâ &gt;&gt; protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated &gt;&gt; over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the &gt;&gt; buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, thereâs a protest &gt;&gt; happening, because thereâs a huge crowd of people in one place, and a &gt;&gt; phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester &gt;&gt; from a bystander? You donât. You canât, really. Youâve created a &gt;&gt; disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, &gt;&gt; people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are &gt;&gt; with them." &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it &gt;&gt; would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The &gt;&gt; NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer &gt;&gt; approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is &gt;&gt; peaceful action. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... &gt;&gt; peaceful..... &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter &gt; &lt;progressivechange@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt; Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this &gt; week. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please

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&gt; add &gt;&gt;&gt; others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a &gt;&gt;&gt; bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for &gt;&gt;&gt; supporters...... &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks &gt; from there) &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's &gt;&gt;&gt; make Saturday something different. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. &gt;&gt;&gt; -------------------------------------&gt;&gt;&gt; The time has come to fight the banks. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join &gt;&gt;&gt; us in moving from protest to resistance &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks take our homes. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks rob students of our future. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks destroy the environment. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks fund the misery of war. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. &gt;&gt;&gt; And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis &gt;&gt;&gt; without a struggle. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall &gt; Street. &gt;&gt;&gt; The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. &gt;&gt;&gt; Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and &gt;&gt;&gt; beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or &gt; Chase &gt;&gt;&gt; and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; We. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Will. &gt;&gt;&gt;

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&gt;&gt;&gt; Occupy. &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Everywhere &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;beka@notanalternative.net&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; indefinitely: &gt; http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just yesterday Zizek warned âThe only thing Iâm afraid of is that &gt; we will &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking &gt; beer and &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise &gt; ourselves &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that this will not be the case.â &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this &gt; for the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly &gt; to make &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no &gt; longer an &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; integrated. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open &gt; the space &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize &gt; but &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" &gt; then we do &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it again, we push further. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms &gt; of the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible &gt; about ways &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October &gt; 15. And &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead &gt; the way. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; xob &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; New: &gt; http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not An Alternative &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; http://notanalternative.com &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:17:14 AM

but i think there has to be something... a group mediation, yoga, playdate for parents... going back to Nathan's piece on diversionary kind of activities that make a point but are peaceful and inconvenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:09 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > what about a flash mob dance party there occasionally? it can be like > the dance hall of the occupation? > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of >> protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. >> >> >> On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> No, veto. >> >> Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Word Financial Mall at >>> 25 Liberty square >>> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >>> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >>> >>> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and >>> forth between then. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >>> >>> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-partof-the-plan/ >>>> >>>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>>> parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >>>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where

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>>>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>>> >>>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >>>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be >>>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling†>>>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest >>>> happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >>>> from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a >>>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>>> with them." >>>> >>>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>>> peaceful action. >>>> >>>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>>> peaceful..... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >>> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >>> week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >>> add >>>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>>> supporters...... >>>>> >>>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>>> >>>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >>> from there) >>>>> >>>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>>> make Saturday something different. >>>>> >>>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>>> ------------------------------------->>>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>>> >>>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future.

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>>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>>> without a struggle. >>>>> >>>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >>> Street. >>>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>>> >>>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >>> Chase >>>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>>> >>>>> We. >>>>> >>>>> Will. >>>>> >>>>> Occupy. >>>>> >>>>> Everywhere >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>>> indefinitely: >>> >>> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that >>> we will >>>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >>> beer and >>>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >>> ourselves >>>>>> that this will not be the case.†>>>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >>> for the >>>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >>> to make >>>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >>> longer an >>>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>>> integrated. >>>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >>> the space >>>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize >>> but >>>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >>> then we do >>>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >>> of the >>>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >>> about ways

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>>>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >>> 15. And >>>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >>> the way. >>>>>> xob >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> New: >>> >>> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:09:31 AM

what about a flash mob dance party there occasionally? it can be like the dance hall of the occupation? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of > protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. > > > On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: > No, veto. > > Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > >> Word Financial Mall at >> 25 Liberty square >> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >> >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >> >> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and >> forth between then. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >> >> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-partof-the-plan/ >>> >>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>> parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>> >>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an

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>>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be >>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling†>>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest >>> happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >>> from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a >>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>> with them." >>> >>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>> peaceful action. >>> >>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>> peaceful..... >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >> week. >>>> >>>> >>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >> add >>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>> supporters...... >>>> >>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>> >>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >> from there) >>>> >>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>> make Saturday something different. >>>> >>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>> ------------------------------------->>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>> >>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>> >>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment.

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>>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>> without a struggle. >>>> >>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >> Street. >>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>> >>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >> Chase >>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>> >>>> We. >>>> >>>> Will. >>>> >>>> Occupy. >>>> >>>> Everywhere >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>> indefinitely: >> >> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that >> we will >>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >> beer and >>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >> ourselves >>>>> that this will not be the case.†>>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >> for the >>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >> to make >>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >> longer an >>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>> integrated. >>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >> the space >>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize >> but >>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >> then we do >>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >> of the >>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >> about ways >>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >> 15. And >>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >> the way. >>>>> xob >>>>>

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>>>>> ->>>>> New: >> >> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:04:51 AM

I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one.

On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: No, veto. Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > Word Financial Mall at > 25 Liberty square > This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors > > > -----Original Message----> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> > To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase > > Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? > http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ >> >> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >> parksâso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >> in the city, for weeks at a time? >> >> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyâve learned to be >> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called âstrollingâ >> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the

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>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, thereâs a protest >> happening, because thereâs a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >> from a bystander? You donât. You canât, really. Youâve created a >> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >> with them." >> >> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >> peaceful action. >> >> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >> peaceful..... >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter > <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this > week. >>> >>> >>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please > add >>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>> supporters...... >>> >>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>> >>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks > from there) >>> >>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>> >>> >>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>> make Saturday something different. >>> >>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>> ------------------------------------->>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>> >>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>> >>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>> >>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>> >>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>> >>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>> >>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis
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>>> without a struggle. >>> >>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall > Street. >>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>> >>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or > Chase >>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>> >>> We. >>> >>> Will. >>> >>> Occupy. >>> >>> Everywhere >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>> indefinitely: > http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned âThe only thing Iâm afraid of is that > we will >>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking > beer and >>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise > ourselves >>>> that this will not be the case.â >>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this > for the >>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly > to make >>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no > longer an >>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>> integrated. >>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open > the space >>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize > but >>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" > then we do >>>> it again, we push further. >>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms > of the >>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible > about ways >>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October > 15. And >>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead > the way. >>>> xob
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>>>> >>>> ->>>> New: > http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>> Not An Alternative >>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>> >>> > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:25:35 PM

Yes creativity and small events everywhere can be very effective

On 10/10/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has been done before. According to New York City law, permits are necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public parksso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner in the city, for weeks at a time? These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyve learned to be very creative. Their signature move is the so-called strolling protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, theres a protest happening, because theres a huge crowd of people in one place, and a phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester from a bystander? You dont. You cant, really. Youve created a disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are with them." Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is peaceful action. Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... peaceful..... On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. > > > As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add > others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a > bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for > supporters...... >

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> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) > > 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) > > 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence > > > Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's > make Saturday something different. > > Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. > -------------------------------------> The time has come to fight the banks. > > We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join > us in moving from protest to resistance > > No longer will banks take our homes. > > No longer will banks rob students of our future. > > No longer will banks destroy the environment. > > No longer will banks fund the misery of war. > > No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. > And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis > without a struggle. > > The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. > The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. > Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and > beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. > > This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase > and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. > > We. > > Will. > > Occupy. > > Everywhere > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos > <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >> indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will >> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case. >> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an
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uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 10:20:59 PM

Banks are dangerous places be very careful

On 10/10/11, MAd Hatter<progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week.

As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for supporters...... 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence

Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's make Saturday something different. Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. -------------------------------------The time has come to fight the banks. We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join us in moving from protest to resistance No longer will banks take our homes. No longer will banks rob students of our future. No longer will banks destroy the environment. No longer will banks fund the misery of war. No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis without a struggle. The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. We.

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Will. Occupy. Everywhere On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: > Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park > indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ > And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. > Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will > someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and > nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves > that this will not be the case. > Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the > long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make > us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an > uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and > integrated. > It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space > of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but > maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do > it again, we push further. > That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the > game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways > to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And > that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. > xob > > -> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ > Not An Alternative > http://notanalternative.com >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:18:21 PM

The cold weather has to all be very high-tech. Living outside is not the same as going skiing.

On 10/11/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're staying through Spring. Some ideas: * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and community orgs to back us up when we go for it * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to help get rid of snow more ideas floating around out there, many in the works! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:19 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: He basically said that the weather will chase us out, and I think that is what they have been hoping for a while. I will repeat that I think we need to take a large part of our budget and buy the right gear for a winter stay. I will have some time Christmas vacation and winter vacation in February. That would really mess with them if we were still here in the spring.

On 10/10/11, beka economopoulos<beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case.” Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob

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-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com

-New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:48:30 PM

Like I said, I am only there about once a week also. I try to influence the debate from a distance. I have to trust the people that are there to make good decisions, and so far they have done very well. No one has to follow the consensus reached on the ground, but the GA is on the ground running the occupation there in real time. If everyone just does what ever they feel like, why is there a GA? I almost got consensus on a one demand one week before the occupation was begun. It was blocked, and i understood why, and I excepted the consensus. The movement is bigger than the NYCGA and Liberty Plaza, and there were many other squares before us, but the NYCGA is its own entity and has to make its own decisions and I would suggest that those of us involved try to follow the consensus. There is true power there. And if you can't get to Liberty square start a GA in your neighborhood or online. I am trying to get all the activists on Staten Island together, so they work together instead of apart. They may or may not form a GA, but I am hoping they get inspiration from what has happened on the ground in Liberty Plaza. Thanks John On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I'm trying to stay out of this but I find it so infuriating that there should be one group whose "concensus" is supposed to represent everyone who wants to support this occupation. It's ridiculous to think that that groups decision can represent all those who aren't there! What about all the people who have jobs who can't attend? What about the people who don't have $ for the subway or live outside of the city? They are as pissed off as everyone who has the luxury of attending the GA meetings. I'm fine with any select group coming to a set of demands and putting it forward to join in a mass collective expression. But please, your particular decision, no matter how "democratic" will never speak for everyone. While you speak the language of "equality" be careful your not acts are not that of dictators. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Obviously (I hope) working groups cannot put out demands without the consensus of the GA. But, the GA is the official consensus decision maker, and only the people that happen to be there when consensus is reached have a say. I just happened to show up the day we reached consensus on the Declaration of the Occupation, which I had never heard of before that night. I recognize anyone's right to do what they think is right, but if we do not follow any decision made by the GA, we will fall apart. I do think there should be more work on the part of these demands groups to reach out to everyone and try to reach the broadest consensus possible. John On 10/11/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not include us, I just won't recognize it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: > this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. > > On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: guindave <guindave@aol.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap They where already there -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of rob hollander september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:10:02 AM

Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0% black. It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base. OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class and political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto -Banks The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is worse for black people in America: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/post_541_n_749319.html The recession, jobs and health care Recession disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health care www.kff.org/minorityhealth/upload/7953.pdf Public sector austerity Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: http://www.citylimits.org/news/articles/3970/some-see-racial-impact-from-mass-transit-funding-crisis The economy Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in August, while white unemployment fell: http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/661121/black_unemployment_hits_highest_in_27_years/ Development and real estate Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too. OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this movement can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80% white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and newness and openness.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
actually laughing out loud!

On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: How's this for diversity? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the visual art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached myself.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS muddle-headed and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, many, many, many more...

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and posters that circulate-- that is the point, right?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization so we claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim?

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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are invited.

On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i am just giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate that further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's please please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong polemic with some people of color who were complaining about young white protesters who wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were complaining that immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put people of color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police are attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous white youth who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the fuck up. Thanks, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote: I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what kind of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract new supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out that welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations but only of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as satire of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse customers have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials for years now. As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that it was originally a panel in Eric Drooker's wordless graphic novel Blood Song. It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book and who is pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The art was not created to represent our protest. heart Thadeaus

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-saysgoodbye-to.html

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well!

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote:

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---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com>

--PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org

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-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/ 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/ 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:09:43 PM

Thanks Rob, Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic. The whiteness you take for granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong. Actually a large part of those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs, international, diverse internationals. I don't want to discuss census and poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white category. Actually, i feel really troubled that efforts at proper respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" -its called outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality. BY insisting that whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you address race. They are not separate spheres. Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a way to remedy this.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0% black. It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base. OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class and political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto -Banks The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is worse for black people in America: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/post_541_n_749319.html The recession, jobs and health care Recession disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health care www.kff.org/minorityhealth/upload/7953.pdf Public sector austerity Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: http://www.citylimits.org/news/articles/3970/some-see-racial-impact-from-mass-transit-funding-crisis The economy Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in August, while white unemployment fell: http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/661121/black_unemployment_hits_highest_in_27_years/ Development and real estate Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too. OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this movement can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80% white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and newness and openness.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
actually laughing out loud!

On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: How's this for diversity? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the visual art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached myself.

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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS muddle-headed and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, many, many, many more...

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and posters that circulate-- that is the point, right?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization so we claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim?

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are invited.

On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i am just giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate that further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's please please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong polemic with some people of color who were complaining about young white protesters who wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were complaining that immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put people of color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police are attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous white youth who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the fuck up. Thanks, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote: I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what kind of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract new supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out that welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations but only of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as satire of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse customers have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials for years now. As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that it was originally a panel in Eric Drooker's wordless graphic novel Blood Song. It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book and who is pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The art was not created to represent our protest. heart Thadeaus

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!!

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On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-saysgoodbye-to.html

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well!

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com>

--PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org

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-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/ 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/ 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:19:36 AM

definitely a nice place for yoga. Cool place for an umbrella flash mob, being indoors and all. Have you seen the occupy wall st umbrella flash mob on youtube?

On 10/11/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: but i think there has to be something... a group mediation, yoga, playdate for parents... going back to Nathan's piece on diversionary kind of activities that make a point but are peaceful and inconvenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:09 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > what about a flash mob dance party there occasionally? it can be like > the dance hall of the occupation? > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of >> protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. >> >> >> On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> No, veto. >> >> Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Word Financial Mall at >>> 25 Liberty square >>> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >>> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >>> >>> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and >>> forth between then. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >>> >>> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ >>>>

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>>>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>>> parksâso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >>>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >>>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>>> >>>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >>>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyâve learned to be >>>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called âstrollingâ >>>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, thereâs a protest >>>> happening, because thereâs a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >>>> from a bystander? You donât. You canât, really. Youâve created a >>>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>>> with them." >>>> >>>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>>> peaceful action. >>>> >>>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>>> peaceful..... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >>> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >>> week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >>> add >>>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>>> supporters...... >>>>> >>>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>>> >>>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >>> from there) >>>>> >>>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>>> make Saturday something different. >>>>>
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>>>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>>> ------------------------------------->>>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>>> >>>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>>> without a struggle. >>>>> >>>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >>> Street. >>>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>>> >>>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >>> Chase >>>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>>> >>>>> We. >>>>> >>>>> Will. >>>>> >>>>> Occupy. >>>>> >>>>> Everywhere >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>>> indefinitely: >>> >>> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned âThe only thing Iâm afraid of is that >>> we will >>>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >>> beer and >>>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >>> ourselves >>>>>> that this will not be the case.â >>>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >>> for the >>>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >>> to make >>>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >>> longer an
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>>>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>>> integrated. >>>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >>> the space >>>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize >>> but >>>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >>> then we do >>>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >>> of the >>>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >>> about ways >>>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >>> 15. And >>>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >>> the way. >>>>>> xob >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> New: >>> >>> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:16:04 AM

Nice :) You may get away with dancing sans signs. I don't know what would happen if you played music. Maybe it could be done with headphones-that would look freaky. If everyone were to take off their jackets at some point and be wearing occupy wall st Tshirts you shouldn't be able to be arrested for that. Of course your not even allowed to dance in a bar in NYC if they don't have a cabaret license. On 10/11/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: what about a flash mob dance party there occasionally? it can be like the dance hall of the occupation? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of > protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. > > > On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: > No, veto. > > Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: > >> Word Financial Mall at >> 25 Liberty square >> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >> >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >> >> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and >> forth between then. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >> >> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ >>> >>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>> parksâso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal,

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>>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>> >>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyâve learned to be >>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called âstrollingâ >>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, thereâs a protest >>> happening, because thereâs a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >>> from a bystander? You donât. You canât, really. Youâve created a >>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>> with them." >>> >>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>> peaceful action. >>> >>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>> peaceful..... >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >> week. >>>> >>>> >>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >> add >>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>> supporters...... >>>> >>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>> >>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >> from there) >>>> >>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>> make Saturday something different. >>>> >>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>> ------------------------------------->>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>> >>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join
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>>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>> >>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>> >>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>> without a struggle. >>>> >>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >> Street. >>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>> >>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >> Chase >>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>> >>>> We. >>>> >>>> Will. >>>> >>>> Occupy. >>>> >>>> Everywhere >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>> indefinitely: >> >> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned âThe only thing Iâm afraid of is that >> we will >>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >> beer and >>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >> ourselves >>>>> that this will not be the case.â >>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >> for the >>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >> to make >>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >> longer an >>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>> integrated. >>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >> the space >>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize
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>> but >>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >> then we do >>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >> of the >>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >> about ways >>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >> 15. And >>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >> the way. >>>>> xob >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> New: >> >> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:22:47 AM

Maybe a an oldstyle musical number on the big marble stairs. Do we have any real dancers around? They could sing about wealth inequality while they danced up and down the steps.

On 10/11/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: but i think there has to be something... a group mediation, yoga, playdate for parents... going back to Nathan's piece on diversionary kind of activities that make a point but are peaceful and inconvenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:09 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > what about a flash mob dance party there occasionally? it can be like > the dance hall of the occupation? > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of >> protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. >> >> >> On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> No, veto. >> >> Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Word Financial Mall at >>> 25 Liberty square >>> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >>> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >>> >>> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and >>> forth between then. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >>> >>> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ >>>>

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>>>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>>> parksâso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >>>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >>>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>>> >>>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >>>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyâve learned to be >>>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called âstrollingâ >>>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, thereâs a protest >>>> happening, because thereâs a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >>>> from a bystander? You donât. You canât, really. Youâve created a >>>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>>> with them." >>>> >>>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>>> peaceful action. >>>> >>>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>>> peaceful..... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >>> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >>> week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >>> add >>>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>>> supporters...... >>>>> >>>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>>> >>>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >>> from there) >>>>> >>>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>>> make Saturday something different. >>>>>
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>>>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>>> ------------------------------------->>>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>>> >>>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>>> without a struggle. >>>>> >>>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >>> Street. >>>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>>> >>>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >>> Chase >>>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>>> >>>>> We. >>>>> >>>>> Will. >>>>> >>>>> Occupy. >>>>> >>>>> Everywhere >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>>> indefinitely: >>> >>> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned âThe only thing Iâm afraid of is that >>> we will >>>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >>> beer and >>>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >>> ourselves >>>>>> that this will not be the case.â >>>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >>> for the >>>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >>> to make >>>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >>> longer an
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>>>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>>> integrated. >>>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >>> the space >>>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize >>> but >>>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >>> then we do >>>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >>> of the >>>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >>> about ways >>>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >>> 15. And >>>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >>> the way. >>>>>> xob >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> New: >>> >>> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:24:39 AM

They could dance around with closed umbrellas and open them at the end. I think I'm getting sleepy (:O

On 10/11/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: definitely a nice place for yoga. Cool place for an umbrella flash mob, being indoors and all. Have you seen the occupy wall st umbrella flash mob on youtube?

On 10/11/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: but i think there has to be something... a group mediation, yoga, playdate for parents... going back to Nathan's piece on diversionary kind of activities that make a point but are peaceful and inconvenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:09 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > what about a flash mob dance party there occasionally? it can be like > the dance hall of the occupation? > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:04 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: >> I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any kind of >> protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. >> >> >> On 10/10/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> No, veto. >> >> Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Word Financial Mall at >>> 25 Liberty square >>> This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also indoors >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> >>> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase >>> >>> Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and >>> forth between then. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>
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>>>> ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? >>> >>> http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/ >>>> >>>> "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public >>>> protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has >>>> been done before. According to New York City law, permits are >>>> necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public >>>> parksâso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, >>>> and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists >>>> have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where >>>> Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free >>>> wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner >>>> in the city, for weeks at a time? >>>> >>>> These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than >>>> those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an >>>> environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyâve learned to be >>>> very creative. Their signature move is the so-called âstrollingâ >>>> protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated >>>> over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the >>>> buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, thereâs a protest >>>> happening, because thereâs a huge crowd of people in one place, and a >>>> phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester >>>> from a bystander? You donât. You canât, really. Youâve created a >>>> disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, >>>> people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are >>>> with them." >>>> >>>> Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it >>>> would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The >>>> NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer >>>> approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is >>>> peaceful action. >>>> >>>> Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... >>>> peaceful..... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter >>> <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this >>> week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please >>> add >>>>> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >>>>> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >>>>> supporters...... >>>>> >>>>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >>>>> >>>>> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks >>> from there) >>>>> >>>>> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >>>>>
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>>>>> >>>>> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >>>>> make Saturday something different. >>>>> >>>>> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >>>>> ------------------------------------->>>>> The time has come to fight the banks. >>>>> >>>>> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >>>>> us in moving from protest to resistance >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks take our homes. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >>>>> >>>>> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >>>>> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >>>>> without a struggle. >>>>> >>>>> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall >>> Street. >>>>> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >>>>> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >>>>> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >>>>> >>>>> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or >>> Chase >>>>> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >>>>> >>>>> We. >>>>> >>>>> Will. >>>>> >>>>> Occupy. >>>>> >>>>> Everywhere >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>>>> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>>>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>>>> indefinitely: >>> >>> http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/ >>>>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned âThe only thing Iâm afraid of is that >>> we will >>>>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking >>> beer and >>>>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >>> ourselves >>>>>> that this will not be the case.â >>>>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this >>> for the
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>>>>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly >>> to make >>>>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no >>> longer an >>>>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>>>> integrated. >>>>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open >>> the space >>>>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize >>> but >>>>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" >>> then we do >>>>>> it again, we push further. >>>>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms >>> of the >>>>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible >>> about ways >>>>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October >>> 15. And >>>>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead >>> the way. >>>>>> xob >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> New: >>> >>> http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/ >>>>>> Not An Alternative >>>>>> http://notanalternative.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Andrew globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Shooters, Editors, Support for Today Monday, October 10, 2011 3:02:45 AM

Folks, namely Josh, the producer for today, We need 3 episodes of conversation with the 1 percent edited. We also are shooting lessons tomorrow which we'll need help for in production, editing and graphics. see this calendar https://www.google.com/calendar/b/0/render? hl=en&tab=oc&pli=1 10am kitchen consensus 11 breaking gender binary tbd 12 systems theory 330 gender 4 facilitation 530 direct democracy? 7 GA Plus any other calendar events. see this doc - sign up in the media category for the positions you'll fill. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc? key=0ApAd0Z9V9p3XdG9md1NmNUxZUjZrTW1Sb0xuVHk2T0E&hl=en_US Andrew email or text if you don't have a smartphone to meet us. 508-566-1712 Josh please list your number or let us know when/where you'll be. Andrew

On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:42 PM, ddotto wrote: Hi Andrew, will you need production support for the shoot of the Facilitation meet Monday? I wish to learn how to perform this function, and seek an opportunity for learning. Thanks! On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 11:38 PM, <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> wrote: Yes I am working on a video tomorrow from 10-12, then at 4 for the facilitation mtg and 530 will work too. Spread the
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word. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Cara Hartley <cararosehartley@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:37:05 -0400 To: <andrew@thehumanchannel.org> Subject: videographer needed immediately! Andrew, This is Cara with Community Outreach. We are trying to get a video of the facilitation process to share with new occupations around the nation. Do you know anyone with a video camera who can tape the facilitation training tomorrow at 5:30 and then immediately upload it? Please let me know! Thanks, -Cara812.322.0922

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:48:51 PM

If any one lives bushwick (i don't) I have thought of starting a group there called (community 2 community) for white youths to reach out to people of clour fromt he area to try and collectively bring rents low. Perhaps this could some how be realted OWS ? -----Original Message----From: rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Thanks, Jackie. Just did, adding: There are groups up in EastHarlem (Movement for Justice in El Barrio), Central Harlem (Harlem TenantsCouncil) and Chinatown (CSWA) and the Lower East Side (NMASS) who areangry about gentrification and see it as part of the globalneo-liberalism that is destabilizing local neighborhoods. These areresonant issues for everyone, but also resonate specifically withcommunities of color in NYC. Nellie Bailey (Harlem Tenants Council) has a radio program. It might be useful to get on the anti-gentrification wagon.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Jackie DiSalvo &lt;jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com&gt; wrote: Rob, Why don’t you send this to thePeople of Color Working Group? Unified Communities unified.ows@gmail.comIt would give them support. From: september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rob hollander Sent: Sunday, October 09, 20116:26 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss]Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster While I was at Liberty Plaza today I looked for any postersrelated to racism. I found a"Ron Paul in 2012" election poster (campaigning!), a "nofracking" poster, "Save the environment" posters, peace and loveposters and all sorts of economic, bank and democracy posters, but nothingaddressing racism or race impact. Itdoesn't seem to be part of the message, as yet.Maybe people there feel it would be divisive and prefer to focus on "sameboat" messages. I honestlydon't know. Also, I didn't look ateach and every poster, so maybe they are there but I missed them all. Anyway, my suggested "solution" still stands: raise the issues thatwill resonate with people of color.I repeat it here since perhaps it was missed the first time :-) Banks The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is worse for black people in America:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/post_541_n_749319.html The recession, jobs and health care Recession disproportionatelyimpacts people of color in jobs and health care www.kff.org/minorityhealth/upload/7953.pdf Public sector austerity Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher education,the only low-cost option, impacts people ofcolor disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. Public transit hikes disproportionatelyimpact people of color: http://www.citylimits.org/news/articles/3970/some-see-racial-impact-from-mass-transit-funding-crisis The economy Black unemployment is not just twice the rateof whites, but it rose in August, while white unemployment fell: http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/661121/black_unemployment_hits_highest_in_27_years/ Development and real estate Gentrification continues to displace peopleof color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Bralow &lt;mbralow@gmail.com&gt; wrote:Liberty Sq. is what we makeof it. If someone wants to use this occupation as a way to organize people for a particular cause...( And ultimately address the GREATER cause of corruption and power and effective ways to stop it, everyone should provide input and support! If they find they can't do it at liberty sq.They are free (and encouraged) to start or join another occupation elsewhere. As a sidenote, I know this isn't subject of original thread, but as far as issue of our security and well-being, if our "collection of individuals" believes eventually a particular individual/individuals are not adhering to guiding principles, if we don't have it already, we need a system of quickly bringing it to the forefront and we have right to expel them from occupation (via a committee or our established voting system). And wesupport action with police cooperation and our own security/policing team.This will minimize people trying to stall/impede/kill this MOVEMENT. But getting back to issue of why are other causes not represented, if we feel that's the case, it's OUR job to get more people involved by doing OUR OWN outreach and recruitment with other already existing groups. Or if a group doesn't exist,start your own! Schedule teach-in's etc. Start ORGANIZING andgetting everyone to occupy something! It's ALL our job to make this happen, not just people of color committee, etc. On 10/9/11, shaista husain &lt;shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt;wrote: &gt; Thanks Rob, &gt; Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic.The whiteness you take for &gt; granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong.Actually a large

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part of &gt; those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs, &gt; international, diverse internationals.I don't want to discuss census and &gt; poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white &gt; category. Actually, i feelreally troubled that efforts at proper &gt; respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" --itscalled &gt; outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and &gt; also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality.BY insisting that &gt; whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you &gt; address race. They are notseparate spheres. &gt; Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you &gt; should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a wayto &gt; remedy this. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander &lt;lesrrd@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its &gt;&gt; source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% whiteand 0% &gt;&gt; black. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It's not a tech issue.Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring &gt;&gt; diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their &gt;&gt; program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to peopleof &gt;&gt; color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race butclass &gt;&gt; and &gt;&gt; political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of &gt;&gt; democracy in our politics.OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so &gt;&gt; far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto -&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is*worse &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; *Banks * The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it for black people in America*: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/post_541_n_749319.html

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; *The recession, jobs and health care* &gt;&gt; Recession *disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs andhealth &gt;&gt; care* &gt;&gt; www.kff.org/minorityhealth/upload/7953.pdf &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; *Public sector austerity*&gt;&gt; Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in publichigher &gt;&gt; education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color &gt;&gt; disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; http://www.citylimits.org/news/articles/3970/some-see-racial-impact-from-mass-transit-funding-crisis &gt;&gt; * &gt;&gt; The economy*&gt;&gt; Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, butit rose in &gt;&gt; August, while white unemployment fell: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/661121/black_unemployment_hits_highest_in_27_years/ &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; *Development and real estate*&gt;&gt; Gentrification continues to displace people of colorthroughout Manhattan &gt;&gt; and now in Brooklyn too. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this &gt;&gt; movement &gt;&gt; can be all things to all peoples and all issues.That may be possible, or &gt;&gt; may not. Maybe featuringspokespersons of color will help.But you can't &gt;&gt; digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the80% &gt;&gt; white occupiers. OWS needsto bring more diversity in as positive a way as &gt;&gt; possible. In any case, Ihope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and &gt;&gt; newness and openness. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, &lt;jemcgloin@verizon.net&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; actually laughing out loud! &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On 10/08/11, gail zawacki&lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt;wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt; How's this for diversity? &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;therealjongood@gmail.com&gt;wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Might a call be put out for artists of color to get

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morediverse, &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; multicultural representations out there? Or to allartists to get &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; visual &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what Ipreached &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; myself. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander &lt;lesrrd@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; +1 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised inone of the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; first serious articles on OWS when most media were callingOWS &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; muddle-headed &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and naive. Theimage and text implied something new and smart.So, yes, &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; many, many, many more... &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn &lt;grimwomyn@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hopefully there will be many many many many many manyimages and &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt;wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why dowe always need one &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; woman or one individual for a poster? we areleaderless organization &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so we &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; claim why are we establishing icons that do notreflect this claim? &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, &lt;jemcgloin@verizon.net&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Becareful with native Amercan or otherethnic/racial cliches. Just &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; add an obvious mix of people so that it isobcious that all are &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; invited. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 10/07/11, shaista

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husain&lt;shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps wecan add another &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; signifier to make sure there is noconfusion--perhaps a feather (i &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; am just &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; giving an example) or some other blatantsignifier will illustrate &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; further.We are multicultural. Please in allwe do and say, let's &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; please &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; please be inclusive--love each other-i didmake a very strong &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; polemic with &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; some people of color who were complainingabout young white &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; protesters who &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wanted to fight the police, and these peopleof color were &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; complaining that &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; immigrants and folks can't always do that andits dangerous to put &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; people of &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; attacking us, as they are wont to do, itsthose same courageous &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; white youth &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; who will put their bodies in between you andthe police. So shut the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fuck &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; up. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks, &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Shaista &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus &lt;thadeaus@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I totally agree.and think we all need to be very aware of what &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; kind &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of face(s) we put forward to representthis movement and attract &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; new &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; supporters.I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; welcomed people to the occupied space hada number of illustrations &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; but only &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; satire &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of vacation brochures, but even socompanies that seek diverse &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; customers &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; have been incorporating people of colorinto their promo materials

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; was originally a panel in EricDrooker &lt;http://www.drooker.com/>'s &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wordless graphic novel Blood &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Song&lt;http://www.drooker.com/books/bloodsong.html>.>>>>& gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and who is &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; pictured in the poster is I think ofSouth-East Asian origin. The &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; art was &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; not created to represent our protest. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heart &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thadeaus &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaistahusain &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt;wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Well I prefer to be behind the camera,but i can help in &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; addressing &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this issue.. thank you &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM,Matthew Presto &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; matthew.presto@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; poster that a lot of us had issueswith way back when. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Matt &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM,shaista husain &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A huge backlash is comingagainst this movement by those &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; powerful &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; people of color minorities whohave been protesting their whole &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lives, that &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this movement is white

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andmiddle class. It is important to us &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that is is &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; not ALWAYS represented thatway, taking issues of representation &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in our &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; "official"campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; demarcates &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; us clearly from RIGHT WINGmovement that is also against Wall &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; St.--we are &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; multicultural ----that has tobe emphasized always, as you know &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the IDF &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; across britain, theislamophobes all the racist haters are also &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; up in arms &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; against wall street. What differentiates us is our &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; MULTICULTURALISM. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Breivnik by killing studentsin Norwayhas ushered in the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; neo-fascist hatred &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for white people who stand inarms with people of color and &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; immigrants. All &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of you white comrades in thismovement stand together with &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; historically &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; oppressed people as brothersand sisters. Please take this &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; seriously in love &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and comradeship, we need toprotect each other. Our language &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; needs to &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; inclusive and &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; sophisticated. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thank you, &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Shaista &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37PM, shaista husain &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Some more people of color"speaking for this movement" in the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; media team--you know whogo out to mainstream media, also would &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; not hurt us. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at3:33 PM, shaista husain &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shaistahusain@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Can you put somedreadlocks on her, does every female the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; represents thismovement have to be visibly white? Perhaps &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; just one poster &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with illustrating somesensitivity to people of color who make &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; up the &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; majority of THISCITY???? This movement is not all white &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; people and if there &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is NO leadership, thenit becomes important to be sensitive &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; about images of &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; individuals who cometo signify the movement as a whole. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; PERHAPS and now im &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; begging you comrades,its so real it fucking hurts, can we get &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; some people &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of color visibility..ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; bet you it &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; will be socelebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; PLEASE PLEASE&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; folks..Thanks!!! &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at3:05 PM, gail zawacki &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It's fantastic anduplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it, here... &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7,2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; grimwomyn@gmail.com&gt; wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this would bean awesome sticker as well! &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 7,2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah &lt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; miss.quintessential01@gmail.com&gt;wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:23:29 PM

Hi I am a "liberal" involved in the GA since the first day. We are supposed to be and inclusive movement trying to gain support, not excluding liberals because they didn't all jump in on day one. move-on has always supported the democratic party. Their house parties have been going on all year. I went to one in July and brought people from there to the first NYCGA and moveon members have been active the whole time. I am not a fan of the democratic party, and I don't think we should be endorsing them or any other party or candidate, but we don't need to say bad things about their members, only policies or legislation we disagree with. The 99% is very big and chasing away some that are close to our positions because they work within the system is not a good idea. Diversity of tactics does not only mean civil disobedience. It can also mean that other groups can attempt to pass legislation that helps people without our condemning their existance. The moveon people that i know believe that corporations are destroying the world and are trying to fight it the way they know how. Go read the list of demands that they came up with through a national voting system. Give them advise, disagree with them but please don't come on here and claim that they are trying to steal our movement. We are all in this together. John On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote:

MoveOn.Org and FriendsAttempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement
Tuesday 11 October 2011 by: Steve Horn, Truthout | News Analysis Gandhi once said [3] ofgrowing movements of social protestation, "First they ignore you, thenthey laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." The trajectoryof the ever-evolving and growing Occupy Wall Street movement followsthe same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation.

Now, apply that model to the most recent public relations andmarketing ploys of organizations like MoveOn.org, the ascendant"Reclaim the American Dream Movement" and the general segment ofsociety author and journalist Chris Hedges calls the "Liberal Class" inhis most recent book titled "The Death of the Liberal Class [4]" (of which the former two are both apart). In so doing, one can observe a perfect case study of the liberalclass in action, in four distinct acts, with one exception: "then theyfight you" can be replaced with "then they attempt to co-opt yourmovement." Act One - Getting Ignored: In the early planningstages of Occupy Wall Street, few eyes were on those working behind thescenes to make this vision a reality. With little funding backing theircause, the activists calling for this action, to those even paying anyattention to them at all (few and far between), seemed quixotic or atthe very least, overly optimistic. This was the case even to thosehighly sympathetic to the cause and its accompanying ideology.
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Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zucotti Parkin New York, October 7, 2011. Protests in Wall Street section of NewYork enter their third week, with similar efforts springing up inBoston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle. (Photo: Michael Appleton /The New York Times)

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How in the world does a rag-tag bunch of activists take on thefinancial power center of the world that calls the shots politically instatehouses around the country, on a federal level and around theworld? Because the task was such a monumental undertaking, theseactivists were essentially ignored all throughout the planning stagesand into the opening days of the occupation itself. The liberal class, predictably, was nowhere to be seen in theplanning stages of Occupy Wall Street, wholeheartedly ignoring thefact, or simply not even knowing the fact, that this occupation was inthe works. Act Two - Getting Laughed at: Once it was seenthat, while not yet a movement, the people occupying Wall Street had,at the very least, legitimate grievances, the liberal class resorted toscornful tactics like mockery of the type of people in the movement -ad hominem attacks, if you will. The scorn was well-depicted by liberal environmental blogger,Grist's David Roberts, who tweeted [5],"I've been reading about #occupywallstreet for the last hour or two& it's just horrific. Practically designed to discredit leftistprotest." It was also on perfect display with liberal blogger DavidAtkins, who mockingly tweeted [6],"If you want to #occupywallstreet, 1) shave 2) wear some decent clothes3) coordinate signs about inequality 4) get a media spokesperson." Thediatribe proceeded for multiple tweets, Atkins having listed ten points. In a post titled [7],"What's behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?" Salon.comblogger Glenn Greenwald aptly explained their behavior and tactics,writing, "Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailinginstitutional power is going to be viewed with hostility byestablishment-serving institutions and their loyalists. That's just thenature of protests that take place outside approved channels, aninevitable by-product of disruptive dissent: those who are most vestedin safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives ... aregoing to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universaldisdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for theIraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial itis, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke." The liberal class, though, quickly realized that Occupy Wall Streetwas gaining traction, with leaders of the left like Francis Fox Piven [8],MichaelMoore [9], Naomi Klein [10],Cornel West [11]and Joseph Stiglitz [12]joining the cause in solidarity, and its leaders realized that it mustco-opt the movement while time is still on its side. Act Three - Co-Option: With Occupy Wall Streetoff the ground, but its longevity still in flux, MoveOn.org and itscousin, the Center For American Progress [13], and Van Jones' [14]Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], were nowhere to be found. Instead,they were busy planning the Take BackThe American Dream Conference [16],which took place from October 3 through October 5. "Taking back the American Dream," Jones said in an interviewappearing on AlterNet [17],will be a three-step process. First, the planned November 17 "Rising Tide of Protest [18]," a protest, led by the Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], will be held in a network ofcities throughout the United States. As FireDogLake's David Dayen explained [18],"[The] November 17 protests announced by the American Dream Movement... [are] a one-day protest across multiple cities across the countrythat organizers hope will be a massive activation of their supporters." Second, an amalgamation of coordinated house meetings and onlineteach-ins. "We're going to try to get a million leaders in Americaonline and talking with each other. And that's going to be a majorpiece," said Jones. Third and most importantly to an organization "powered by," (aka aproject of) MoveOn.org [19],which among other things, is an organization that raises campaign moneyfor Democratic Party candidates, Jones said the 2012 elections are avital piece of the puzzle. "And then there's a third piece and it's new- and it seems to have escaped people's notice - and that's that we'vesaid we're going to run 2012 people for office in 2012. Now, that's abig deal," Jones stated. "We're talking about U.S. senators who want to run as AmericanDream candidates - soon to be announced. We've reached out to the HouseDemocratic Caucus; there are House members who want to run as AmericanDream candidates," he continued. What this translates to, in layman's terms, is the very process ofco-opting a growing movement of democratic

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resistance and trying toreplace it with a sales pitch to go out in 2012 and vote Democrat.Jones and the Democratic Party operations in disguise, namely the likesof MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress, are taking a pageout of the Dick Armey and Koch brothers' Tea Party co-option playbookwith this one. Indeed, many forget that before the Tea Party was an Astroturfmovement funded by Armey and the Koch brothers, it was an enragedgrassroots movement, led mostly by Ron Paul libertarians [20].Then it got co-opted and now it is a rotten pawn of corporate elites. If Occupy Wall Street organizers are not careful, this could alsobe their destiny. Act Four - Win or Be Co-Opted? That Is the Question: OccupyWall Street, now three weeks into the occupation, now finds itself in apivotal moment. Will the nonpartisan, anti-establishment movement allowitself to be co-opted by the Democratic Party serving powers that be,i.e. by the MoveOn.orgs and Center for American Progresses of theworld, or will it remain a strong, left, independent force that growswith each passing day and strikes fear into what the late sociologistC. Wright Mills calls the powerelite [21]? One thing is for certain - the liberal class is working overtime toco-opt a burgeoning social justice movement. Exhibit A: On October 5, Day 19 of Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn.orgsent out an email calling on clicktivists (as opposed to activists) to"Join the Virtual March on Wall Street." "The 99% are both aninspiration and a call that needs to be answered. So we're answering ittoday, in a nationwide Virtual March on Wall Street to support theirdemand for an economy that serves the many, not the few ... Join in thevirtual march by doing what hundreds have done spontaneously across theweb: Take your picture holding a sign that tells your story, along withthe words 'I am the 99%,'" wrote Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org. John Stauber [22]is a longtime critic of organizations like MoveOn.org and Center forAmerican Progress, and founder of the Center for Media and Democracyand co-author of "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You," a book that exposeshow corporations and vested interests work to co-opt movements forchange. In an interview, he stated, "Don't be fooled. This willprimarily be an effort to co-opt the language and energy to salvageObama and the Dem Party. This is how you co-opt movements. The OccupyWall Streeters are not leader oriented. Van Jones will become the voiceof this in the mainstream," "The same thing happened to anti-war in 2007. MoveOn.org was, tothe mainstream, the voice of that movement," Stauber continued. "It iseasy to read between the lines. For one thing, there is no criticism ofObama in the 'Reclaim the Dream' messaging and marketing. No one with anational reputation is going to do anything to undermine hisre-election efforts. There is huge money in supporting Obama andnothing but pain and punishment in not - both desperation and selfinterest are driving this at this point in time." As Stauber alluded to, one only has to look a few years down thememory hole to see that, as William Faulkner wrote in "Requiemfor a Nun [23]," "The past isnever dead. It's not even past!" In an article about how the Democratic Party, teaming up withMoveOn.org and other like-minded apparatchiks, viewed the Iraq war as a"gift" to wield for electoral purposes in the 2006 elections, Stauberwrote, "And how have the Democrats treated their gift now that theycontrol Congress? The Democratic House and Senate have continued tofund the war while posturing against it ..." Later, in that same piece, Stauber juxtaposed the operatives withIraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organization that is againstimperialistic foreign policy no matter who is in office, writing,"[IVAW] are not the concoction of a liberal think tank or PR firm; theyhave very little funding; they are not avoiding criticism of Democrats;and they are not playing political games trying to bank-shot Democraticcandidates into the White House and Congress in 2008. They are in opennon-violent revolt against US foreign policy, criticizing politiciansof all stripes who would exploit the war for political gain." Fast forward five years and a nearly parallel situation exists. Anindependent and democratic economic justice movement, ground zero ofwhich exists at the power center of economic injustice, namely WallStreet, has now spread to every corner of the country in some form orfashion within the framework of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Democratic Party vultures are waiting to swoop in, steal thethunder and then make sure the focus is on electing Democrats, who arejust as much to blame as Republicans for the ascendancy of Wall Street.If anything,
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they are even more to blame for the pacification role theyplay in co-opting the overwhelming swath of the left time and timeagain, no matter what horrible policies they pass. Will Occupy Wall Street of 2011 be a repeat of the Iraq war of2006? Similar forces are at bay, that is for certain. It will all depend on activists deciding whether they choose to beused as a "gift," or if they choose to remain independent of the forcesof co-option. Act four, to say the least, should be interesting. http://www.truth-out.org/print/7323

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: Re: [september17discuss] for those discussing OWS and antieviction movements: Fw: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:59:20 PM

I could probably get to this from about 3:30 to 4:45. Is any one else going?

On 10/11/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: This is also happening in NYC this Thursday at 2:30: [o4o] People's Auction - Next Thursday! Thursday, October 13, from 2:30pm until 5:00pm Kings County Supreme Court (360 Adams Street, Brooklyn) [As of last week, an organizer expected this might instead actually be onthe Court St. side of the courthouse, near corner of Montague St., inColumbus Park. TRANSIT: #2, 3 train to Borough Hall (westexit, nearest Manhattan, to Court & Montague, then turn left afterturnstile); R (never N) to Court St.-Borough Hall & use east stairs,furthest from Manhattan, to Court & Montague, instead of the elevatorend); #4, 5 to Borough Hall (west exit to Joralemon & Court); A, C, For R to Jay St.- Metrotech/Lawrence St. station complex; G toHoyt-Schermerhorn (& turn right onto Schermerhorn); bus extravaganza<http://ow.ly/6IMHH> -t.] (646) 222-6125 / o4o@o4onyc.org [1] END FORECLOSURES! END EVICTIONS! Banks are foreclosing with fraudulent loan documents - we demand amoratorium on all foreclosures! City-run foreclosure auctions are making people homeless everyweek: Brooklyn: Thursdays at 3pm Queens: Fridays at 11am Bronx: Mondays at 2pm Join us on October 13th at 2:30pm for a People's Auction! We willbring our struggles directly to the courts and give a voice to thethousands of New Yorkers who have lost their homes to foreclosure. Meetoutside Kings County Supreme Court (360 Adams Street, Brooklyn). #o4onyc To contact o4o, email us at o4o@o4onyc.org [1] or call (646)222-6125 Visit us on the web at o4onyc.org http://o4onyc.org[2] On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:14 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: see attached re victory in LA Please note: forwarded message attached From: merithew@MAIL.H-NET.MSU.EDU To: H-LABOR@H-NET.MSU.EDU Subject: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:02:29 -0400

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---------- Forwarded message ---------From: merithew@MAIL.H-NET.MSU.EDU To: H-LABOR@H-NET.MSU.EDU Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:02:29 -0400 Subject: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? From: "Peter Dreier" <dreier@oxy.edu> Date: Fri, October 7, 2011 2:44 am *Friends and Colleagues:* *The protesters challenging the big banks and the super-rich won a dramatic victory in Los Angeles today, as I describe below. OneWest Bank, the biggest bank based in Southern California, and Fannie Mae, stopped their foreclosure and eviction against Rose Gudiel, a working class homeowner, in response to a brilliantly executed protest movement by community and union activists.* *The question facing the activists is this: Is the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon a moment of protest or a movement for change? As a write in The Nation this week, * *“If the Occupy Wall Street activists join forces with the unions and community groups, they could catalyze a massive nationwide movement to resist foreclosures and block evictions. They could also put pressure on local and state lawmakers to pass tougher legislation. And they could inject the foreclosure crisis—and the banking industry’s culpability for the recession—into the presidential and Congressional elections.” * *It appears that this convergence of Occupy Wall Street (which has now spread to dozens of cities) and the unions and community organizing groups -- that have been working for years to spark a movement like this – may be happening. They now face the dilemma confronted by the American Left for years: Can they bring together visionary calls for radical change with specific demands for immediate reform? * *Today, participating in a rally and march in downtown LA, cosponsored by Occupy LA and union/community/faith coalition led by ACCE and SEIU, that attracted several thousand people, Gudiel announced the following:*** *“I’d like to announce that the bank called me today to arrange a meeting, to discuss a modification proposal from Fannie Mae. I have also learned that my eviction has been canceled. We are very happy that they have finally come to the table, and I hope they are serious about negotiating a reasonable modification, which is what I have been requesting for over two years. And I hope that they will change their policies to stop taking the homes the thousands of hardworking families facing preventable foreclosure. Thank you.”*** · *Imagine 25, 50, 100, 500, or 1000 homeowners like Rose Gudiel, victims of banking abuses and economic downtown, following Gudiel’s example in greater LA! *** · *Imagine the Occupy Wall Street activists and their counterparts in LA, Chicago, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and elsewhere linking arms with members of community groups and union to block evictions all over the country! ***
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· *Imagine, as they join forces to stop banks and sheriffs from evicting the victims of Wall Street-induced recession, that the combined forces of the union/community groups and the Occupy Wall Street activists showed up at the homes and offices of Republican Senators and House members, demanding that they pass Obama’s jobs bill, confirm **Richard Cordray (Obama’s nominee to head the Consumer Protection Finance Bureau, whom the GOP is opposing), and toughen regulations on banks. * · *Imagine if these same folks worked to push Congress to pass a recent** proposal by the National Labor Relations Board that would make it slightly easier for workers to organize unions, and which is being ferociously opposed by the US Chamber of Commerce, the Koch brothers, and the National Association of Manufacturers, as Gordon Lafer writes about in the current (October 10) issue of The Nation.*** · *Imagine if the Occupy Wall Street activists and their counterparts got involved in the grunt work (voter registration, phone banking, door-knocking) required to help elect Elizabeth Warren to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts as well as helped elect other liberal and progressive Democrats, including President Obama, next November.*** *A scenario like the one described in the bullet points above is possible.* *My Nation article, pasted below, is one of a series of articles in the forthcoming October 24 issue of The Nation, some of which are available on-line, that explore these possibilities (http://www.thenation.com). So does Harold Meyerson’s Washington Post column, “Rescuing America from Wall Street,” linked here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rescuing-america-from-wall-street/2011/10/04/gIQAJGezLL_print.html * *In the past week alone, the Occupy Wall Street crusade has not only spread to dozens of cities and (after being ignored for several weeks) generated increasingly respectful media coverage, but won the support of the labor movement, MoveOn, key members of Congress, the Los Angeles City Council, and others. After being grilled by Sen. Bernie Sanders two days ago, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke reluctantly expressed his agreement with the grievances of the Occupy Wall Street folks. Watch the Sanders-Bernanke exchange here:** **http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/202904.html**. **It is a great example of why it is important to have strong allies like Sanders in Congress.* *Meyerson and many others are wondering how to keep the momentum going so that the spark lit by the Occupy Wall Street activists doesn’t fizzle out. Eventually, the mainstream media will grow tired of covering daily demonstrations and marches in the streets of major cities (and all but the hard core of activists will grow tired of camping out and marching) unless the Occupy Wall Street campaign begins to make specific demands that can help win specific victories. * ** *Protest and civil disobedience – like the sit-down strikes at auto factories in the 1930s and the lunch counter sit-ins in the 1960s – succeed when its participants and its sympathizers are fighting for something
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specific, and their victories become stepping-stones to more and more bold, radical reforms. The best thing that could happen to the Occupy Wall Street activists in NYC and elsewhere is to join forces with homeowners fighting foreclosures and evictions. During the Depression, radicals organized rural farmers and urban tenants to resist foreclosures and evictions by banks, sheriffs, judges, and landlords. Progressives within FDR’s inner circle – like Henry Wallace and Frances Perkins – along with progressives and liberals in Congress used this upsurge of radical protest to push for New Deal legislation that helped farmers, workers, and the unemployed. * *If this idea seems far-fetched in the current political climate, take a look at what has happened in Los Angeles in the past week. Today activists there won an important, heartening victory by using protest and civil disobedience to stop a bank from foreclosing and evicting on a working-class family victimized by greedy banks and the economic crisis.* *Rose Gudiel, who juggles two jobs and lives with her parents and brother in a working-class suburb of Los Angeles, has become the public face of a burgeoning crusade to defend homeowners from unfair evictions. The 35-year old Gudiel belongs to the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment (ACCE, a group formed after the collapse of ACORN in California) and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), organizations that have led the fight for bank reform in California. Their protests are rooted in the specific grievances of their mostly low-income and working-class members, who have been laid off, ripped off and evicted by banks engaged in predatory lending. ACCE, SEIU and other California unions and community groups have been mobilizing homeowners since the beginning of the economic crisis. They’ve organized meetings with bank officials to try to get them to modify loans rather than foreclose on homeowners. When negotiations break down, the activists have resorted to protests and civil disobedience to draw attention to abusive practices and the banks’ failure to deal with homeowners in good faith.* *Two years ago the Gudiel family missed one mortgage payment after her brother was killed and the family lost his income and Rose, a state government employee, lost some income because of state furloughs due to the state’s fiscal crisis. The family quickly recovered and wanted to resume making its mortgage payments, but OneWest Bank quickly began foreclosure proceedings rather than help modify the family’s mortgage. Facing the possibility of eviction. Gudiel, her neighbors, co-workers and supporters from the ACCE and SEIU last week began a round-the-clock vigil at her house. They pledged to risk arrest if the LA County sheriff tried to evict them from her home after Fannie Mae and OneWest Bank issued a foreclosure notice. These videos document that courageous efforts of Gudiel and her supporters: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8373326 http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_19001602 * *On Tuesday this week, ACCE, SEIU, and other supporters protested at the $26 million Bel Air mansion of Steve Mnuchin, the CEO of OneWest Bank, based in Pasadena. (See video footage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWXeaWAHLI&feature=related and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcgHwMnntE&feature=email. My article, “Steve Mnuchin, Meet Rose Gudiel” in Huffington Post a few days ago, looks at the disparity between multi-millionaire Mnuchin and working class homeowners like Gudiel. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/steve-mnuchin-meet-rose-g_b_992940.html
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. On Wednesday, ACCE, SEIU and Gudiel and other supporters occupied the Fannie Mae office in Pasadena. Gudiel and six others arrested. (See this video of the protest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNAfvqkogIk and this article in the Pasadena Star-News ( http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_19048431 LA County Sheriff Lee Baca obviously did not want to have to evict Gudiel and her family, including her disabled mother (who uses a wheelchair) and her father (a warehouse worker). So he stalled for time, contacted OneWest and Fannie Mae, hoping these giant institutions would do the right thing and modify Gudiel’s mortgage so her family could stay in their home.* *Now it appears that the Gudiel family will get their house back – and they owe their victory to the solidarity shown by their friends and neighbors, the months of hard work of ACCE, SEIU and their allies (particularly ACCE organizer Peter Kuhns), and the shifting political climate triggered by the new Occupy Wall Street activists. In between marches and protests, I encourage the Occupy Wall Street folks to read Cohen’s book, Nothing to Fear. Here’s what they’ll learn: * ** *When FDR was elected in November 1932, and even after he took office in March 1933, his ideas about what to do were very unclear. He promised Americans a “new deal” but he had very few specifics. In fact, FDR was in many ways a cautious, even conservative, politician. The one clear idea he had in mind when he took office was to cut the federal budget, and the person he hired to do that job was his budget director, a conservative Congressman from Arizona named Lewis Douglas. He was also, initially, reluctant to use the power of government to regulate business practices, to create jobs, to support union organizing, or to support struggling farmers.* ** *Cohen describes a ongoing battle that went on for FDR’s heart and mind. It was a battle that went on inside the White House and outside the White House.* ** *Inside** the White House, it was a battle between FDR’s progressives advisors and cabinet members like Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, Harry Hopkins, Henry Wallace, and Rexford Tugwell and more moderate and even conservative advisors.* ** *Outside** the White House, it was a battle between grassroots organizations and business groups. The grassroots groups included labor unions, community organizing groups, and organized small family farmers, including a radical group called the National Farmers Union. The business groups included banks, manufacturers, the real estate industry, and corporate farmers. These business groups were split between right-wing reactionary business leaders and more moderate groups – and even a handful of liberal business leaders – who recognized the need for reform. * **

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*FDR, as well as members of Congress, were influenced by the rising tide of protest taking place all over America. The nation was three years into the Depression – 1932 – before there were large-scale protest. It had been simmering under the surface. But at first, people were afraid, paralysed, blamed themselves, felt ashamed, not sure what to do – or if there was anything to do at all. * ** *Workers, and farmers, and community groups were organizing people, but it didn’t surface publicly until those feelings of shame, fear and paralysis were pushed aside. * ** *Cohen tells a story that is pretty scary, but which also reveals the depths of desperation that many Americans felt at the time.* ** *Almost half of all Americans made their living directly or indirectly from agriculture.** Between 1929 and 1932, when FDR took office, farm income had fallen by two- thirds. Farm foreclosures were happening at a record pace. Farming communities were emptying out, as family farmers and sharecroppers abandoned the land looking for jobs elsewhere, like the situation portrayed in Steinbeck’s novel, and the film, “Grapes of Wrath.”* ** *As Cohen recounts: * ** *“Farmers who stayed on the land were responding to their bleak circumstances with extreme politics and lawlessness. In January (1932), in Pilger, Nebraska, a crowd of hundreds had shown up to disrupt a foreclosure sale. At a foreclosure sale the same month in Le Mars, Iowa, a crowd had dragged a lawyer from New York Life Insurance Company down the courthouse steps. His life in danger, the lawyer...telegraphed his employer and asked for permission to bid the full amount the farmer was asking.”* ** *“In May 1932, 2000 farmers descended on the state fairgrounds in Des Moines to form the Farmers’ Holiday Association.” The group urged farmers to declare a “holiday” from farming, under the slogan, “Stay at Home - Buy Nothing - Sell Nothing.” In effect, they were urging farmers to go on strike – to withhold their corn, beef, pork, and milk, until the government addressed their problems. They threatened to call a national farmers strike if Congress did not provide farmers with “legislative justice.”* ** *In Sioux City Iowa, farmers put wooden planks with nails on the highways to block agricultural deliveries. In Nebraska, one group of farmers showed up at a foreclosure sale and saw to it that every item that had been seized from a farmer’s widow sold for 5 cents, leaving the bank with a total
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settlement of just $5.35. This tactics quickly spread throughout the farm belt.* ** *Perhaps the most scary example of farmers’ anger boiling over took place on April 27, 1932 in Le Mars, Iowa. There, a group of farmers “pulled Judge Charles Bradley off the bench while he was hearing foreclosure cases. They carried him out of the courthouse and, when he refused to swear not to sign any more foreclosures, threw him into a farm truck and drove him to the outskirts of town. The mob pulled down his pants and put a noose around his neck. The farmers stopped short of a lynching...and simply left him dazed by the side of the road.”* ** *“Farmers were becoming more radicalized by the day. Edward O’Neal, president of the Farm Bureau Federation, warned Congress that ‘unless something is done for the American farmer we will have a revolution in this country within less than twelve months.’”* ** *According to Cohen, these protests by farmers, “increased the sense of urgency in Washington.” Secretary of Agriculture Henry Wallace and progressive Democrats in Congress kept FDR aware of these protests, which helped them out-maneuver their more moderate colleagues. This combination of outside protest and inside maneuvering soon led to passage of the Agricultural Adjustment Act and the Emergency Farm Mortgage Act that “radically changed the economics of farming.”* ** *This same dynamic played out in the big cities, among veterans, tenants, among the unemployed, and among workers. In the spring and summer of 1932, protest erupted among veterans of World War One, many of them out of work and hungry. More than 20,000 of them from across the country joined a Bonus Army march on Washington. The veterans were holding government bonus certificates for their military service, which were due more than a dozen years in the future. They demanded that Congress pay off on them now, when they desperately needed the money. Most of them camped across the Potomac River from the Capitol on Anacostia Flats, in make-shift huts. * ** *The bill to pay off on the bonus passed the House, but was defeated in the Senate, and some veterans, discouraged, left. Most stayed – some encamped in government buildings near the Capitol, the rest on Anacostia Flats. President Hoover ordered the army to evict them. They used horses, tear gas, and machine guns. This led to a bloody scene, and two veterans were killed.* ** *But the Bonus Army didn’t give up, especially after FDR was elected. They returned to Washington to lobby “for an immediate payment of their bonuses and to protest the keep cuts” that FDR was making to their benefits as part of his budget-cutting plan. *
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** *FDR wanted to avoid another bloody riot with veterans that had hurt Hoover’s reputation. In contrast to Hoover, FDR invited the Bonus Marchers to camp at a nearby army fort and provided them with meals, medical care and entertainment by the Navy band. One of FDR’s progressive aides suggested that Eleanor Roosevelt go visit the veterans, and she spent time with them, listening to their complaints. One of the veterans said: “Hoover sent the Army. Roosevelt sent his wife.” * ** *More importantly, FDR acted to respond to their protests. He didn’t restore their army bonuses, but he did issue an executive order setting aside 25,000 places for veterans in the Civilian Conservation Corps, the first of the New Deal public works programs.* ** *In the 1930s, America was primarily a nation of renters, and during the Depression, there were huge waves of evictions, because they didn’t have the income to pay rent. Utility companies shut off electricity and heat.* ** *As Howard Zinn recounts in A People’s History of the United States, a renter in New York City wrote a letter to Congressman Fiorello La Guardia, a progressive politician who represented a poor district in Harlem: * ** *“You know my condition is bad... It is now nearly seven months I am out of work. I hope you will try to do something for me.. .. I have four children who are in need of clothes and food.. .. My daughter who is eight is very ill and not recovering. My rent is due two months and I am afraid of being put out.” * ** *Many tenants went beyond these pleas for help. In many big cities, when word spread that a family was being evicted, Often a crowd would gather sometimes 10 people, sometimes a few hundred people. The police would remove the furniture from the house, put it out in the street, and the crowd would bring the furniture back. This happened so often that some police officers would refuse to evict or arrest people. These actions were organized by radicals – Communists and Socialists – but they attracted a large following of people who weren’t radicals but were desperate, angry, and willing to take action.* ** *These protests set the stage for the New Deal’s public housing programs, the first time that the federal government provided subsidies to create affordable housing.*

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** *In January 1933, several hundred jobless surrounded a restaurant just off Union Square in New York demanding they be fed without charge. In Seattle in, February 1933, about 5,000 unemployed people occupied the County-City Building demanding jobs or relief. These and similar protests around the country set the stage for the nation’s first cash assistance program for struggling families.* ** *Through the 1930s, workers engaged in massive and illegal strikes and sit-down protests in factories throughout the country. A million and a half workers in different industries went on strike in 1934, including longshoremen, teamsters, factory workers, and retail clerks. In San Francisco, 130,000 workers joined a general strike.* ** *In Michigan - where workers had taken over a number of auto plants - a sympathetic governor, Democrat Frank Murphy, refused to allow the National Guard to eject the protestors even after they had defied an injunction to evacuate the factories. His mediating role helped end the strike on terms that provided a victory for the workers and their union. * ** *President Roosevelt soon recognized that his ability to push New Deal legislation through Congress depended on the pressure generated by protestors. As the protests escalated throughout the country, Roosevelt became more vocal, using his bully pulpit to lash out at big business for their greed and selfishness. He used his speeches, and his “fireside chats” on the radio, to explain his New Deal agenda and to encourage people to contact their Congressmembers to promote workers' rights and to. Labor organizers felt confident in proclaiming, "FDR wants you to join the union." * ** *With Roosevelt setting the tone, with his progressive aides like Frances Perkins and Henry Wallace maneuvering within the administration, and with allies like Senator Robert Wagner maneuvering in Congress, labor protests helped win legislation guaranteeing workers' right to organize, the minimum wage, and the 40-hour week.* ** *The economic and political conditions in America right now aren’t the same as in the Depression, but the protests of the past few weeks indicate that Americans are angry and frustrated. The Tea Party doesn’t have the answers to address these deep-rooted problems. Perhaps the Occupy Wall Street moment will turn into a progressive movement like America witnessed in the Depression. *

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[image: The Nation] Published on *The Nation* (http://www.thenation.com) -----------------------------Occupying Wall Street, Building a Movement Peter Dreier | October 5, 2011 If you’re confused about the wave of protests sweeping the country, don’t be alarmed. It *is* confusing. Who are the protesters? What and who are they protesting? And what do they want? It turns out that there are two different but overlapping movements taking to the streets. Both are angry at the richest 1 percent of Americans, who have made out like bandits while most of the rest of us have seen our wealth, income and standard of living decline. Both blame Wall Street for causing an economic crisis that has led to massive layoffs, foreclosures and cuts in government services. And both oppose tax breaks for the superrich and bailouts for banks. The one getting the most media attention this fall calls itself Occupy Wall Street, although it has recently spread from New York’s financial center to Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago and other cities [see “Occupy America,” above]. Rose Gudiel is part of the other wing of the protest movement. Gudiel, who juggles two jobs and lives with her parents and brother in a working-class suburb of Los Angeles, has become the public face of a burgeoning crusade to defend homeowners from unfair evictions. She, her family, neighbors and other supporters have pledged to risk arrest when the LA County sheriff tries to evict them from her home now that Fannie Mae and OneWest Bank have issued a foreclosure notice. Gudiel belongs to the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment and the Service Employees International Union, organizations that have led the fight for bank reform in California. Their protests are rooted in the specific grievances of their mostly low-income and working-class members, who have been laid off, ripped off and evicted by banks engaged in predatory lending. The ACCE, SEIU and other California unions and community groups have been mobilizing homeowners since the beginning of the economic crisis. They’ve organized meetings with bank officials to try to get them to modify loans rather than foreclose on homeowners. When negotiations break down, the activists have resorted to protests and civil disobedience to draw attention to abusive practices and the banks’ failure to deal with homeowners in good faith. The goal is not simply to help a handful of homeowners stay in their houses but to create a mounting sense of urgency, so that banks change their practices and politicians change government policy. This year SEIU persuaded the San Francisco Board of Supervisors to renegotiate its “interest rate swap” with JPMorgan Chase, allowing the city to repay its loans at the current lower rates, thus saving San Francisco $40 million. Similar campaigns are under way in other cities. The coalition has pushed for local laws that will fine banks up to $1,000 a day if they don’t maintain empty
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foreclosed homes to avoid neighborhood blight. Earlier this year the coalition urged the California legislature to make banks pay a $10,000–$20,000 fee per foreclosure to help cities address the damage they cause. According to conservative estimates, foreclosures have reduced property values in California by $650 billion, resulting in a loss of up to $4 billion in property taxes. The activist groups are now putting the heat on banks to reduce mortgage principal for struggling homeowners. Many economists say this is an effective way to revitalize the housing sector and bring about a recovery. Californians with underwater mortgages overpay banks $20 billion a year—money that could instead be pumped into the state’s economy. The activists also want the legislature to establish a mandatory foreclosure mediation program to ensure that homeowners receive due process and a fair chance at negotiating loan modifications. Although activists in California—an epicenter of the foreclosure epidemic—have taken the lead, they are part of a national coalition of unions, community groups and faith-based organizations called the New Bottom Line, which has been waging war on Wall Street for several years. It has organized rallies and marches in New York, Kansas City, San Francisco, Boston, Charlotte and other cities with major bank headquarters. It has been a partial counterweight to the lobbying muscle used by the US Chamber of Commerce and the financial industry to thwart President Obama’s financial reform plan. But the coalition has not built the momentum needed to strengthen Obama’s ineffective foreclosure-prevention program, and its sporadic protests haven’t sparked a broader movement. Until this fall, that is. Now the excitement and energy from Occupy Wall Street, combined with the organizing savvy of the union/community coalition, may be coalescing into something much bigger. Activists from both networks have been meeting to discuss strategy, tactics, targets and message. In October the New Bottom Line mounted a series of protests in Los Angeles—including civil disobedience at a major bank and a rally at the home of the CEO of a large lender—to keep the pressure on the banking industry to help working-class families like the Gudiels avoid eviction. Over the coming weeks organizers in Minneapolis, Chicago, New York and other cities will aim protests at specific banks, CEOs and politicians who have collected big campaign contributions from the financial sector and voted against tough banking regulations. If the Occupy Wall Street activists join forces with the unions and community groups, they could catalyze a massive nationwide movement to resist foreclosures and block evictions. They could also put pressure on local and state lawmakers to pass tougher legislation. And they could inject the foreclosure crisis—and the banking industry’s culpability for the recession—into the presidential and Congressional elections. The different strategies used by Occupy Wall Street and the union/community/faith coalition reflect a longstanding dilemma for American dissenters—how to link visionary calls for radical change with specific demands for immediate reform? They also reflect the difference between what organizers call “mobilizing” and “movement building.” The first involves large protests that may generate media attention but don’t necessarily build the organizations needed to follow up, train leaders and negotiate with policy-makers. The second involves the slow, difficult work of building
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unions, community organizations and other groups that can dig in for the long haul and keep people engaged when the excitement dies down. *** Ever since the Boston Tea Party, it has been the spirited, explosive and messy protests and civil disobedience—sit-down strikes at auto factories and sit-ins at segregated lunch counters, for example—that have transformed day-to-day grievances into movements that make history. These actions dramatize serious problems and encourage people to become part of a crusade for social justice. The sense of crisis generated by such protests often forces political and business leaders—mostly concerned about order and stability—to respond by negotiating reforms. Throughout American history, the soul of successful reform movements has been people like Rose Gudiel. She has never been politically involved before, but her recent experience as a victim of bank abuse changed her views. “My parents instilled in me the idea that if you work hard and study, you could live your American dream,” she says. “I was the first person in my family to graduate from college, and I worked hard so that I can own a home. And now these banks are taking my dream away.” And, she insists, “I’m not leaving. I’m willing to go to jail.” In September, Gudiel, her neighbors, co-workers and supporters from the ACCE and SEIU began a round-the-clock vigil at her house to prevent her eviction, as Gudiel and her supporters fight to rescind her foreclosure and renegotiate her loan. If the Occupy Wall Street protesters and their counterparts around the country link arms with people like Rose Gudiel, they could win stirring victories and inspire a broader movement that challenges the wealth and power of a tiny elite. That could do more than restore people’s homes to them and rebuild the economy. It could restore our democracy, too. -----------------------------*Source URL:* http://www.thenation.com/article/163805/occupying-wall-street-building-movement

_____________________________________ Peter Dreier Dr. E.P. Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics Chair, Urban & Environmental Policy Department Occidental College 1600 Campus Road Los Angeles, CA 90041 Phone: (323) 259-2913 FAX: (323) 259-2734 Website: http://employees.oxy.edu/dreier
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*"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality" - Dante*

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn.Org and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:16:53 PM

That is %#$%ed up! That is the problem with not controlling our message and not copyrighting our slogans, but we are getting free advertising. Maybe the GA should put out a message condemning their, or anybody's stealing our endorsement. One thing though, anyone trying to co-opt our movement better be careful that they don't get swallowed by us. On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: I take back what I said. http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/635?akid=1400.1574445.C7OweO&rd=1&t=1 It's already happened.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Folks might be surprised at the level of liberal/radical fraternization that has been taking place since the Bloombergville stuff. The idea that liberals were ignorant, then snarky, then busy taking over is pure fantasy. I know some folks at Rebuild the Dream. They have no intention of taking over OWS. That said, y'all know Max Berger? He did the 'briefcase brigades' with 'the other 98%' group, left his old job to work on economic issues from a grassroots, youth perspective, and was then hired by RTD. You want to paint him as some outsider liberal poaching off this movement? Just crazy. And a LOT of the folks under attack as 'coopters' would fall into a similar category. Is labor backed, former ACORN chapter New York Communities for Change 'liberal'? Is the Transport Workers Union 'liberal'? That said, I'm not liberal. But some of my best friends are. And I've dated some. My sister married one. Heck, I'm pretty sure I've voted for a few in my day! So times really are a-changin'. Perhaps it is time to let bygones be bygones and let them integrate with folks like us. I lot of what I hear said about 'em is just plain ignorant. What we really need to worry about is the People's Front of Judea. Charles On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Jason Jones <surplus@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hi I am not a liberal. In fact I am generally extremely antagonistic toward the position. In spite of that, I agree with jemcgloin. OWS has so far been very successful at building numbers without alienating. The expression of frustration that we currently collectively represent clearly targets financial centers, and doesn't preclude militant tactics (like occupation). Be grateful for how far we've come so far. For now its true we really are in this together. Until that changes (allegiances change etc.) avoid divisiveness and use the opportunity to push the whole toward the most radical ends. With numbers we could really make something of this.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Hi I am a "liberal" involved in the GA since the first day. We are supposed to be and inclusive movement trying to gain support, not excluding liberals because they didn't all jump in on day one. move-on has always supported the democratic party. Their house parties have been going on all year. I went to one in July and brought people from there to the first NYCGA and moveon members have been active the whole time. I am not a fan of the democratic party, and I don't think we should be endorsing them or any other party or candidate, but we don't need to say bad things about their members, only policies or legislation we disagree with. The 99% is very big and chasing away some that are close to our positions because they work within the system is not a good idea. Diversity of tactics does not only mean civil disobedience. It can also mean that other groups can attempt

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to pass legislation that helps people without our condemning their existance. The moveon people that i know believe that corporations are destroying the world and are trying to fight it the way they know how. Go read the list of demands that they came up with through a national voting system. Give them advise, disagree with them but please don't come on here and claim that they are trying to steal our movement. We are all in this together. John On 10/11/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote:

MoveOn.Org and FriendsAttempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement
Tuesday 11 October 2011 by: Steve Horn, Truthout | News Analysis Gandhi once said [3] ofgrowing movements of social protestation, "First they ignore you, thenthey laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." The trajectoryof the ever-evolving and growing Occupy Wall Street movement followsthe same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation.

Now, apply that model to the most recent public relations andmarketing ploys of organizations like MoveOn.org, the ascendant"Reclaim the American Dream Movement" and the general segment ofsociety author and journalist Chris Hedges calls the "Liberal Class" inhis most recent book titled "The Death of the Liberal Class [4]" (of which the former two are both apart).

Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zucotti Parkin New York, October 7, 2011. Protests in Wall Street section of NewYork enter their third week, with similar efforts springing up inBoston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle. (Photo: Michael Appleton /The New York Times)

In so doing, one can observe a perfect case study of the liberalclass in action, in four distinct acts, with one exception: "then theyfight you" can be replaced with "then they attempt to co-opt yourmovement." Act One - Getting Ignored: In the early planningstages of Occupy Wall Street, few eyes were on those working behind thescenes to make this vision a reality. With little funding backing theircause, the activists calling for this action, to those even paying anyattention to them at all (few and far between), seemed quixotic or atthe very least, overly optimistic. This was the case even to thosehighly sympathetic to the cause and its accompanying ideology. How in the world does a rag-tag bunch of activists take on thefinancial power center of the world that calls the shots politically instatehouses around the country, on a federal level and around theworld? Because the task was such a monumental undertaking, theseactivists were essentially ignored all throughout the planning stagesand into the opening days of the occupation itself. The liberal class, predictably, was nowhere to be seen in theplanning stages of Occupy Wall Street, wholeheartedly ignoring thefact, or simply not even knowing the fact, that this occupation was inthe works. Act Two - Getting Laughed at: Once it was seenthat, while not yet a movement, the people occupying Wall Street had,at the very least, legitimate grievances, the liberal class resorted toscornful tactics like mockery of the type of people in the movement -ad hominem attacks, if you will.
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The scorn was well-depicted by liberal environmental blogger,Grist's David Roberts, who tweeted [5],"I've been reading about #occupywallstreet for the last hour or two& it's just horrific. Practically designed to discredit leftistprotest." It was also on perfect display with liberal blogger DavidAtkins, who mockingly tweeted [6],"If you want to #occupywallstreet, 1) shave 2) wear some decent clothes3) coordinate signs about inequality 4) get a media spokesperson." Thediatribe proceeded for multiple tweets, Atkins having listed ten points. In a post titled [7],"What's behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?" Salon.comblogger Glenn Greenwald aptly explained their behavior and tactics,writing, "Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailinginstitutional power is going to be viewed with hostility byestablishment-serving institutions and their loyalists. That's just thenature of protests that take place outside approved channels, aninevitable byproduct of disruptive dissent: those who are most vestedin safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives ... aregoing to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universaldisdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for theIraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial itis, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke." The liberal class, though, quickly realized that Occupy Wall Streetwas gaining traction, with leaders of the left like Francis Fox Piven [8],MichaelMoore [9], Naomi Klein [10],Cornel West [11]and Joseph Stiglitz [12]joining the cause in solidarity, and its leaders realized that it mustco-opt the movement while time is still on its side. Act Three - Co-Option: With Occupy Wall Streetoff the ground, but its longevity still in flux, MoveOn.org and itscousin, the Center For American Progress [13], and Van Jones' [14]Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], were nowhere to be found. Instead,they were busy planning the Take BackThe American Dream Conference [16],which took place from October 3 through October 5. "Taking back the American Dream," Jones said in an interviewappearing on AlterNet [17],will be a threestep process. First, the planned November 17 "Rising Tide of Protest [18]," a protest, led by the Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], will be held in a network ofcities throughout the United States. As FireDogLake's David Dayen explained [18],"[The] November 17 protests announced by the American Dream Movement... [are] a one-day protest across multiple cities across the countrythat organizers hope will be a massive activation of their supporters." Second, an amalgamation of coordinated house meetings and onlineteach-ins. "We're going to try to get a million leaders in Americaonline and talking with each other. And that's going to be a majorpiece," said Jones. Third and most importantly to an organization "powered by," (aka aproject of) MoveOn.org [19],which among other things, is an organization that raises campaign moneyfor Democratic Party candidates, Jones said the 2012 elections are avital piece of the puzzle. "And then there's a third piece and it's new- and it seems to have escaped people's notice - and that's that we'vesaid we're going to run 2012 people for office in 2012. Now, that's abig deal," Jones stated. "We're talking about U.S. senators who want to run as AmericanDream candidates - soon to be announced. We've reached out to the HouseDemocratic Caucus; there are House members who want to run as AmericanDream candidates," he continued. What this translates to, in layman's terms, is the very process ofco-opting a growing movement of democratic resistance and trying toreplace it with a sales pitch to go out in 2012 and vote Democrat.Jones and the Democratic Party operations in disguise, namely the likesof MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress, are taking a pageout of the Dick Armey and Koch brothers' Tea Party co-option playbookwith this one. Indeed, many forget that before the Tea Party was an Astroturfmovement funded by Armey and the Koch brothers, it was an enragedgrassroots movement, led mostly by Ron Paul libertarians [20].Then it got coopted and now it is a rotten pawn of corporate elites.

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If Occupy Wall Street organizers are not careful, this could alsobe their destiny. Act Four - Win or Be Co-Opted? That Is the Question: OccupyWall Street, now three weeks into the occupation, now finds itself in apivotal moment. Will the nonpartisan, anti-establishment movement allowitself to be co-opted by the Democratic Party serving powers that be,i.e. by the MoveOn.orgs and Center for American Progresses of theworld, or will it remain a strong, left, independent force that growswith each passing day and strikes fear into what the late sociologistC. Wright Mills calls the powerelite [21]? One thing is for certain - the liberal class is working overtime toco-opt a burgeoning social justice movement. Exhibit A: On October 5, Day 19 of Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn.orgsent out an email calling on clicktivists (as opposed to activists) to"Join the Virtual March on Wall Street." "The 99% are both aninspiration and a call that needs to be answered. So we're answering ittoday, in a nationwide Virtual March on Wall Street to support theirdemand for an economy that serves the many, not the few ... Join in thevirtual march by doing what hundreds have done spontaneously across theweb: Take your picture holding a sign that tells your story, along withthe words 'I am the 99%,'" wrote Daniel Mintz of MoveOn.org. John Stauber [22]is a longtime critic of organizations like MoveOn.org and Center forAmerican Progress, and founder of the Center for Media and Democracyand co-author of "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You," a book that exposeshow corporations and vested interests work to co-opt movements forchange. In an interview, he stated, "Don't be fooled. This willprimarily be an effort to co-opt the language and energy to salvageObama and the Dem Party. This is how you co-opt movements. The OccupyWall Streeters are not leader oriented. Van Jones will become the voiceof this in the mainstream," "The same thing happened to anti-war in 2007. MoveOn.org was, tothe mainstream, the voice of that movement," Stauber continued. "It iseasy to read between the lines. For one thing, there is no criticism ofObama in the 'Reclaim the Dream' messaging and marketing. No one with anational reputation is going to do anything to undermine hisre-election efforts. There is huge money in supporting Obama andnothing but pain and punishment in not - both desperation and selfinterest are driving this at this point in time." As Stauber alluded to, one only has to look a few years down thememory hole to see that, as William Faulkner wrote in "Requiemfor a Nun [23]," "The past isnever dead. It's not even past!" In an article about how the Democratic Party, teaming up withMoveOn.org and other like-minded apparatchiks, viewed the Iraq war as a"gift" to wield for electoral purposes in the 2006 elections, Stauberwrote, "And how have the Democrats treated their gift now that theycontrol Congress? The Democratic House and Senate have continued tofund the war while posturing against it ..." Later, in that same piece, Stauber juxtaposed the operatives withIraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organization that is againstimperialistic foreign policy no matter who is in office, writing,"[IVAW] are not the concoction of a liberal think tank or PR firm; theyhave very little funding; they are not avoiding criticism of Democrats;and they are not playing political games trying to bank-shot Democraticcandidates into the White House and Congress in 2008. They are in opennon-violent revolt against US foreign policy, criticizing politiciansof all stripes who would exploit the war for political gain." Fast forward five years and a nearly parallel situation exists. Anindependent and democratic economic justice movement, ground zero ofwhich exists at the power center of economic injustice, namely WallStreet, has now spread to every corner of the country in some form orfashion within the framework of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Democratic Party vultures are waiting to swoop in, steal thethunder and then make sure the focus is on electing Democrats, who arejust as much to blame as Republicans for the ascendancy of Wall Street.If anything, they are even more to blame for the pacification role theyplay in co-opting the overwhelming swath of the left time and timeagain, no matter what horrible policies they pass. Will Occupy Wall Street of 2011 be a repeat of the Iraq war of2006? Similar forces are at bay, that is for certain.

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It will all depend on activists deciding whether they choose to beused as a "gift," or if they choose to remain independent of the forcesof co-option. Act four, to say the least, should be interesting. http://www.truth-out.org/print/7323

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Media Working group SPAM-MED: #FILM Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Fw: Oct 11th - March to the homes of prominent billionaires Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:38:22 AM

On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Michael Premo" <m.premo@gmail.com> wrote: Michael Premo www.michaelpremo.com From: "William Dobbs" <duchamp@mindspring.com> Sender: pr-working-group@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:53:21 -0400 To: <pr-working-group@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: pr-working-group@googlegroups.com Subject: FW: Oct 11th - March to the homes of prominent billionaires
I believe Manhattan has more resident billionaires than any other place in the country, 60 or so last time tried to check. Some of the names are in this alert.

----- Original Message ----From: Tami Gold To: Tami Gold Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: Oct 11th - March to the homes of prominent billionaires

March to tax millionaires - invest in education and jobs • 59th St. and 5th Ave
• Tuesday, October 11, 2011 • press conference 12 noon • March begins 1PM

My union, the PSC CUNY, is joining a large coalition of community groups and labor unions in a march to the homes of prominent New York billionaires this coming Tuesday, October 11. The tour kicks off a week of action aimed at maintaining the Millionaires' Tax. The Strong Economy for All coalition will hold a press conference with Millionaires for the Millionaires' Tax at 12pm where the march begins at 59th St. and 5th Ave. We're hoping for a big turnout for the press conference. From there we'll march to the homes of Rupert Murdoch, David Koch, Paul Milstein, John Paulson and Chase CEO Jamie Dimon This is our chance to expose the actors who work to produce and maintain inequality in New York
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and the nation and to demand real economic change for ourselves and our students. Starting at 11:45am, look for the PSC/CUNY signs at 59th St. and 5th Ave. The pre-march press conference and rally runs from 12pm - 1pm. Click here [ http://www.psc-cuny.org/sites/default/files/billionaires.pdf ] for a flier. Hope to see you there. Tami Gold

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon Media Working group SPAM-MED: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #FILM Rev Billy willl Exorcise BoA today at 6pm Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:52:44 PM

Anyone available to cover? I suggest coming to media meeting and leave to cover from there. Volunteers? Begin forwarded message: From: Michael Premo <m.premo@gmail.com> Date: October 11, 2011 12:20:31 PM EDT To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Rev Billy willl Exorcise BoA today at 6pm Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Tuesday, October 11 · 6:00pm 9:00pm "Joie de Vivre" sculpture, east end of Liberty Plaza Location Liberty Street & Broadway New York, NY Created Reverend Billy Talen By In solidatiry with #OccupyWallStreet, Reverend Billy & the Stop Shopping Gospel Choir will EXORCISE BANK OF AMERICA across the street from Liberty Plaza! Meet the choir and Rev at "east end" of Liberty Plaza near the red sculpture, Tomorrow Tues Oct 11 at 6 PM. This action is guided by the research & expertise of RAINFOREST ACTION NETWORK who find B of A guilty of financing mountaintop removal, tar sands, hyrdrofracking and CO-2 emissions. THIS IS DEVILISH! #EXORCISEBofA

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Michael Premo c. 917.547.1292 http://www.michaelpremo.com http://housingisahumanright.org

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; lfaggioni@mac.com; jvanpraag@me.com SPAM-MED: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #MEDIA TEAM CHARTER Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:23:58 PM Media Team Charter.pdf

Hey Everyone This is my attempt to synthesize the conversation we've had over the last couple weeks concerning objectives and new member orientation. Please take a look and send thoughts, changes, notes, ideas, clarity to the google group. Would like to include a discussion of this document on the Agenda for the 5p meeting tonight. Katie

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison jvanpraag@mac.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] fw: Re: OWS & people of faith Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:51:21 AM

we need a camera to start at washington sq park tomorrow at 2p for an interfaith march to liberty plaza. they'll be carrying a golden calf. see attached. Return-Path: <maxberger@mac.com> Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:43:13 -0400

Hey Everyone -Great news: the faith community is starting to come out in support of our movement. James at Catholics United and Jessie at Faith in Public Life, as well as Michael Ellick at Judson Memorial Church, are meeting tomorrow at Washington Sq at 2 pm and taking a golden calf down to Zucotti Park for a 3:30 pm prayer service. (To those without a religious background, the golden calf is a symbol of greed and materialism run amok. ) Can we help feature this awesome idea with video and on our social media? I think it will really help us demonstrate a face of this movement that lots of folks haven't seen yet. Jessie and James: Justin runs our twitter and Katie plans our video projects. In solidarity - Max

On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Jessica Barba Brown wrote: Hi Max, Thanks so much for your help! We have advised to press but could definitely use help with social media and also filming the event, if you are able. James is tweeting photos from @CatholicsUnited. His cell is (202) 246-2583. The plan is to meet at Judson Memorial Church on Washington Sq Park at 2 pm and take the calf down to Zucotti Park for the 3:30 pm prayer service. The pastor at Judson, Michael Ellick, is helping coordinate. Also they were looking for help printing signs (I will forward to you) if that's something you can help with! Thanks so much again,
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Jessie 434-882-4163 On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:35 PM, "Max Berger" <max@rebuildthedream.com> wrote: Hey James and Jessie I'm so excited about the Golden Calf idea. Do you want us to do any press / social media around it? Have you been in touch with folks here about it? We are very excited to work with communities of faith and bring them into this movement. We are hosting a service on Sunday the 23rd, and we'd love to find a way for you to take part. - Max On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Michael Sherrard wrote: James & Jessie -- putting my MoveOn hat on for a second, I wanted to electronically introduce you to Max Berger of Rebuild the Dream. Max is RTD's point person at the occupation in NYC, spending a bunch of time there and getting to know to folks on the ground. He's also working with the folks at Auburn on a church service for next Sunday. Max -- James Salt is ED of Catholics United, who built and brought the golden calf up to NYC. Jessica Barba Brown is VP at Faith in Public Life and has been coordinating things from DC. I'm not sure what the current state of play & needs are for the event tomorrow, but I figured you guys might find it helpful to have each other's emails. -- M -Michael Sherrard <michael@sherrards.org> (202) 713-9733

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alvaro Corzo global revolution SPAM-MED: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Hiro´s email Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:26:35 PM

does anyones has Hiro´s email? thanks, Alvaro

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alvaro Corzo global revolution SPAM-MED: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Occupy Wall Street - Latin American coverage Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:44:35 PM

Hi guys, just want to share with all of you my third newspaper article on the occupation. http://www.elespectador.com/impreso/internacional/articulo-304355-una-noche-plaza-de-libertad in solidarity, Alvaro PD: enjoy, at least for those who know spanish.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com; yotam.marom@gmail.com SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Democratic Party Using OWS for get-out-the-vote drives for 2012 Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:27:26 PM

you're all prob sick of hearing us harp on this, but here's a front page NY Times story. Can you say "Divide and Conquer"?
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October 10, 2011

Protests Offer Help, and Risk, for Democrats
By ERIC LICHTBLAU

WASHINGTON — Leading Democratic figures, including party fund-raisers and a top ally of President Obama, are embracing the spread of the anti-Wall Street protests in a clear sign that members of the Democratic establishment see the movement as a way to align disenchanted Americans with their party. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the party’s powerful House fund-raising arm, is circulating a petition seeking 100,000 party supporters to declare that “I stand with the Occupy Wall Streetprotests.” The Center for American Progress, a liberal organization run by John D. Podesta, who helped lead Mr. Obama’s 2008 transition, credits the protests with tapping into pent-up anger over a political system that it says rewards the rich over the working class — a populist theme now being emphasized by the White House and the party. The center has encouraged and sought to help coordinate protests in different cities. Judd Legum, a spokesman for the center, said that its direct contacts with the protests have been limited, but that “we’ve definitely been publicizing it and supporting it.” He said Democrats are already looking for ways to mobilize protesters in get-out-the-vote drives for 2012. “What attracts an organization like CAP to this movement is the idea that our country’s economic policies have been focused on the very top and not on the bulk of America,” Mr. Legum added. “That’s a message we certainly agree with.” But while some Democrats see the movement as providing a political boost, the party’s alignment with the eclectic mix of protesters makes others nervous. They see the prospect of the protesters’ pushing the party dangerously to the left — just as the Tea Party has often pushed Republicans farther to the right and made for intraparty run-ins. Mr. Obama has spoken sympathetically of the Wall Street protests, saying they reflect “the frustration” that many struggling Americans are feeling. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Representative Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, have sounded similar themes. The role of groups like the Democratic campaign committee and Mr. Podesta’s group, sometimes working in recent weeks with labor unions, moves support from talking points to the realm of organizational guidance. It is not at all clear whether the leaders of the amorphous movement actually want the support of the Democratic establishment, given that some of the protesters’ complaints are directed at the Obama administration. Among their grievances, the protesters say they want to see steps taken to ensure that the rich pay a fairer share of their income in taxes, that banks are held accountable for reckless practices and that more attention is paid to finding jobs for the unemployed. The movement has chosen not to have a spokesman and did not offer official comment on the Democrats’ attentions. But whether sought or not, the blessing of senior Democrats holds the potential to give the movement added heft in the same way that the role of senior Republicans like the former House leader Dick Armey did for the Tea Party as it grew from an offshoot movement to a much more organized and potent force. The protests also provide yet another bright dividing line between Democrats and Republicans in Washington — one that seems likely to help shape the competing themes of the 2012 presidential election. Democrats and Republicans were already largely divided over the Dodd-Frank legislation, which set out hundreds of new restrictions governing the way financial institutions operate and are regulated. But while the regulations were dense and difficult for many Americans to understand, much less seen as a rallying point, the widespread images of the sprawling protests have offered both parties a colorful and powerful symbol around which to frame their perspectives. Leading Republicans have grown increasingly critical of the protests. Eric Cantor, the House majority leader, called the protesters “a growing mob,” and Herman Cain, a Republican presidential candidate, said the protests are the work of “jealous” anti-capitalists. The Republican National Committee is also eager to use the protests against Mr. Obama. “The protests began with anger aimed at Wall Street, but the anger is also directed at the failure of leadership in Washington and that starts with the president,” Kristen Kukowski, a spokeswoman for the committee, said Monday. The protesters “realize that if they want change, the one person most responsible for the status quo and for making change is President Obama,” she said. While many Democrats have praised the protesters, some officials in the party remain wary of their potential impact — especially if the protests were to turn more disruptive or even violent. “That’s the danger with something like this — that you go from peaceful protests to throwing trash cans,” said a senior House Democratic official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Sure, there’s been some crazy anarchy stuff, but over all, the Democrats like their message about Wall Street and accountability,” the official said. “It overlaps with our own message.” Matt Bennett, vice president for Third Way, a Democratic policy institute in Washington that favors a more centrist approach, said he believes the angry and sometimes radical tone of the protests may turn off moderate swing voters who will be critical in the 2012 elections, just as many moderates are put off by the rhetoric of the Tea Party on the right. Embracing the protests may prove a mistake for Democrats, Mr. Bennett said. “There’s not much upside,” he said, “and there’s a lot of downside.” Robert Reich, the former labor secretary under President Bill Clinton, wrote in a blog posting Friday that the protesters’ demands on taxes dovetail with Democrats’ themes, but

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he said the protests should still make the party wary — in part because Democrats rely on Wall Street for significant campaign contributions. “If Occupy Wall Street coalesces into something like a real movement, the Democratic Party may have more difficulty digesting it than the G.O.P. has had with the Tea Party,” Mr. Reich wrote. Some Tea Party leaders are already using the headlines generated by the Wall Street protesters to try to appeal for financial help for a national advertising campaign of their own. In an e-mail sent over the weekend, Todd Cefaratti, representing TeaParty.net, explained the goal of the first television advertisement would be to introduce the face of the Tea Party movement as a “diverse group of everyday Americans who are only special in that they are patriots who want to put our country back on the right track!” He included a link to the ad that is posted on YouTube and already had more than 37,000 views by Monday night. Mr. Cefaratti dismissed comparisons that some people have been making about the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wall Street group.

Jennifer Preston contributed reporting from New York.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Michael Riley SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:32:34 PM

From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in. How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)?
-justin To Occupy Wall Street As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginningto-heal neighborhood. Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved.
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But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. Thank you Steven Abramson 114 Liberty Street

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Fwd: @Stake: Occupy Wall Street Monday, October 10, 2011 10:06:49 AM

So this is the first email I've gotten from any official national Democratic group supporting us. I am a Democrat, but I would like to see my socialist (and anarchist, Marxist, etc.) sisters and brothers have a little fun with this. (Oh, D-Trip, you don't know what you've gotten yourselves into, do you…) --glj ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Robby Mook <dccc@dccc.org> Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:32 AM Subject: @Stake: Occupy Wall Street To: Gabriel Johnson <Gabjoh2@gmail.com>

DCCC @Stake Newsletter

Gabriel -We have a winner! Sarah from California will join Vice President Gore and Leader Pelosi for dinner tonight in San Francisco. Thousands of grassroots Democrats from across the country participated in our contest. And, I want to thank everyone for their continued support and dedication to the Democratic Party. PETITION: I Stand with #OccupyWallStreet Protestors are assembling in New York and around the country to let billionaires, big oil and big bankers know that we’re not going to let the richest 1% force draconian economic policies and massive cuts to crucial programs on Main Street Americans. Out-of-touch Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor said he is “increasingly concerned by the growing mobs.” Mobs? That must be what Republicans refer to as the middle class, or maybe the millions of unemployed Americans across the country. As Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters, “The message of the American people is that no longer will the recklessness of some on Wall Street cause massive joblessness on Main Street…” Help us send a message straight to Eric
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Cantor, Speaker Boehner, and the rest of reckless Republican leadership in Congress: Sign our petition right now and help us reach 100,000 strong standing with #OccupyWallStreet protestors across the country >> Republicans’ War on Women Rages On Tea Party Republicans in Congress have launched a new attack on Planned Parenthood and the life-saving health care services they provide to women -- including screenings for cancer. In many parts of the United States and for many women, especially poor, young women, Planned Parenthood is the only option they have for a wide range of health care services, including reproductive health care. Hard-hearted Republicans could care less. Later this week, they’re planning to introduce anti-choice legislation to zero out all federal funding for Planned Parenthood and destroy access to basic health care services for millions of women. We’re putting your dollars to work to kick these Tea Party Republicans right out of Congress. If you’d like to stand with the women Planned Parenthood serves every day and help Congressional Democrats fight back against the Republicans’ War on Women visit our store at www.MyDemocraticStore.com. We have many ways for you to express your solidarity! Tea Party Republicans are on a rampage. There is no compromising with the extreme ideologues who now control the Republican Party. But House Democrats are fighting back with everything we’ve got. With your support, we’re building a powerful campaign that will defeat Tea Party Republicans in 2012 and restore our Democratic Majority. Thanks again for your incredible support. Robby Robby Mook DCCC Executive Director

and Republican campaign contributors Charles and David Koch are the subject of a new Bloomberg investigation that shows Koch Industries engaged in business deals with Iran. This is all despite American trade sanctions against Iran and the country’s known links to financing terrorism. We’re just short of hitting 125,000 signatures on our petition to Speaker Boehner and Leader Cantor demanding an investigation of Koch Industries and its business dealings with Iran. Watch this explosive ABC News report on the Koch Brothers’ ‘secret sins’ and add your name to our petition calling for an investigation right now >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Fwd: <nettime> message from Chinese activists and academics in support of Occupy Wall Street Monday, October 10, 2011 12:43:38 PM

[This message deserves a proper formatting.] This letter of solidarity, signed over by 50 intellectuals and activists in China, was posted to Utopia yesterday. Thanks to everyone for the translation and editing work! http://chinastudygroup.net/2011/10/message-from-chinese-activists-andacademics-in-support-of-occupy-wall-street/ > From the middle of September, a great "Wall Street Revolution" has broken out in the United States. This street revolution, going by the name of "Occupy Wall Street," has already expanded to over 70 cities and countries in North America, Europe, and other areas. In their statement on "The Wall Street Revolution," the American people have sworn that this demand for "a democratic country, not a corporate kingdom" mass democratic revolution must spread to every part of the world, and they will not rest until this goal is met. From the anti-capitalist demonstrations that began after the 2008 financial crisis, and which this year have spread across Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and South America, this magnificent global mass democratic movement has finally spread to the center of capitalism's financial empire -- Wall Street. The eruption of the "Wall Street Revolution" is an historical indicator that the popular democratic revolution that will soon sweep the world is set to begin. It is an especially significant and important event for this movement. Before this most recent action, street protests had virtually been exclusively used as a tool by US elite groups to subvert other countries. Now, however, the "Wall Street Revolution" -- with its goals of shared prosperity and popular democracy -- has launched protests in the country that is the self-proclaimed defender of democracy. This will inevitably strike a hard blow against the US elite group, itself responsible for the plunder and oppression of people all over the world, and the group that pushed the world into crisis and instability. The protests ring the death knell of the rule of capital. Popular democracy will replace elite democracy in the 21st Century, and the curtain has lifted on the movement from elite politics to popular politics. Using the language of the "Wall Street Revolution," this is a struggle of the popular 99% against the corrupt 1%, a struggle of the popular 99% against the elite 1%,and is the final struggle of the popular forces against elite capitalist rule. The world belongs to all of the people of the world. Countries belong to the entire people of those countries. Even more so, wealth is produced by the entire people, and therefore should be shared by the entire people, it cannot be monopolized by the 1% -- or even less than 1% -- that is made up of an extremely small number of elites. The demand for common prosperity in economics, and popular democracy in politics has become an unstoppable historical trend! The rapid expansion of a fictitious economy and the
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massive flow of social wealth has created an amply reliable material foundation for the realization of the common wealth of all people. The development of internet technology and political civilization has created the conditions for human society to make the transition from capitalist democracy to popular democracy. Human society is fully capable of transforming, on the foundation of the past democracy of slaveholders, the democracy of feudal lords, and the democracy of the capitalist class, to make the fundamental shift from the democracy of the elites to real popular democracy. Common prosperity and popular democracy will become the main content of the historical transformation of the 21st Century. No matter how brutally the American riot police will attempt to suppress the participants in the Wall Street revolution, no matter how much the global elites -especially those in the U.S. and China -- try to suppress news of the Wall Street revolution, they cannot stop the vigorous growth and ultimate victory of the democratic revolution of the people of the world. The violent repression and virtual blockade of news about the "Wall Street Revolution" by elite groups led by the US proves that the fate of oppressed people around the world is the same, regardless of whether they are from developed or developing countries, whether they are from so-called democracies or authoritarian countries. The international elite was the first class to link-up internationally via globalization. Their plunder of public wealth and repression of popular democratic movements is cruel and far-reaching, and utterly lacking in freedom and democracy. So-called freedom and democracy in modern society is nothing more than democracy for capitalism, an elite democracy. Freedom is another word for the elite to plunder, oppress and violently suppress others. Popular forces have been completely excluded from the freedoms and democracy of modern society, and the extent of democratic rights is to choose between presidential candidates that have already been vetted by capital. You can vote once every four years, but you have no way of affecting the people above you who directly determine your fate: your boss or superior. And there is no way of constraining the capitalistoligarchs who can take away the wealth of the majority of the population with the slight of hand of fictitious capital. Freedom and democracy have become a virtual game, nothing more than a tool to subvert other countries. Now the popular and democratic world revolution -- symbolized by the "Wall Street Revolution"- demands an end to this political game, and that freedom and democracy be returned to the people. Democracy is not just a check on the president, but a check on government officials; democracy is not just a check on power, but a check on capital. If the rights and privileges of feudal and absolute rulers are understood to be a sin and abomination, then giving those rights to capital is also a travesty. Securities and computer networks should have been two crucial elements of our shift from an industrial society to an information society, from a material economy to a virtual economy, from capitalism to a human-centered economic system, and from elite politics to popular politics. But the elite class has turned securities into a tool of appropriation akin to the 'indulgences' issued by middle-age church functionaries in Europe. In the new securitized economy, all the public's wealth can easily melt into thin air -- including their houses, wages, labor power and even their hope for the future. All these things have become the targets of appropriation by a tiny elite minority. Both the white-collar middle classes in developed countries -- owners of fictitious property, and the blue-collar workers in developing countries who cannot afford housing or health care, belong in point of fact to the same class: modern proletariat. When the people protest the unprecedented plunder and vast income gap perpetrated by fictitious capital, they are met with violent repression -- both in socalled democracy countries that claim to be defenders of human rights such

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as the US, and in authoritarian countries that are said to lack freedom and democracy. Faced with street protests erupting from the Balkans to North Africa, President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have repeated over and over, "The rights of peaceful protest and the occupation of public space should be respected at all times." Yet when US citizens attempt to exercise this right they immediately are faced with violent repression by armed police, and a blockade by the news media. If this is reaction of the US -- the self-proclaimed leader in human rights -- then we can imagine what the reaction will be in other capitalist countries. Rule by the capitalist elite is just as described by the "Wall Street Revolution" -everywhere. There is nowhere left were we can live and die as people. The eruption of the "Wall Street Revolution" in the heart of the world's financial empire shows that 99% of the world's people remain exploited and oppressed -- regardless of whether they are from developed or developing countries. People throughout the world see their wealth being plundered, and their rights being taken away. Economic polarization is now a common threat to all of us. The conflict between popular and elite rule is also found in all countries. Now, however, the popular democratic revolution meets repression not just from its own ruling class, but also from the world elite that has formed through globalization. The "Wall Street Revolution" has met with repression from US police, but also suffers from a media blackout organized by the Chinese elite. The same fate, the same pain, the same problems, the same conflict. Faced with a common enemy in an elite global class that has already linked-up, the people of the world have only one option: to unite and in a unified and shared struggle overturn the rule of the capitalist elite, to ensure that everyone enjoys the basic human rights of work, housing, health care, education, and a secure old-age. But we must go further if we are to realize shared prosperity and popular democracy in a new socialist world historical framework, If we are to fully escape and neutralize the crises and disasters that capitalism has brought the human race, and realize harmonious social development. The great "Wall Street Revolution" and the great popular "Chilean Winter" that preceded it signal that the day when we realize shared prosperity and popular democracy is approaching. It signals that worldwide popular and democratic socialist movement -- dormant since the 1970s -- is waking up again. But this time, it will be the final battle to put capitalism in its grave. The victory of popular democracy and death of elite rule are inevitable! The embers of revolt are scattered amongst us all, waiting to burn with the slightest breeze. The great era of popular democracy, set to change history, has arrived again! Resolutely support the American people in the "Wall Street Revolution"! Resolutely support all street protests pushing for shared prosperity and popular demoracy! Long live the "Wall Street Revolution"! Long live the global movement for popular democracy!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17; no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion; labor-outreach-committee SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Good article on what labor support means for OWS and vice versa Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:02:56 AM

socialistworker.org/2011/10/11/same-struggle-same-fight

Same struggle, same fight
Lee Sustar looks at the dynamics of the unions' support for the Occupy movement. October 11, 2011 solidarity to Occupy Wall Street (Bob Jagendorf) Nurses bring their

A SPIRITED labor protest against a mortgage bankers' meeting in Chicago on October 10 got a boost in numbers and energy from the local Occupy movement-highlighting the growing potential to build a fighting working-class movement for economic justice across the U.S. Since its beginnings close to a month ago, the Occupy Wall Street action in Manhattan's financial district has become a rallying point for growing numbers of New Yorkers fed up with the greed and power of the bankers and bosses--and it has inspired similar protests in cities around the country. The October 10 march on the American Mortgage Bankers Association--sponsored by Stand Up Chicago, a coalition of the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU), the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and a range of community groups--was planned weeks before Chicago activists started an Occupy encampment. As it happened, the Occupy activists established their round-the-clock protest outside the Federal Reserve Bank, just around the corner from the CTU's gathering spot outside the Chicago Board Options Exchange. By 3 p.m. on October 10--an hour before the march was to set off--around 300 people were jamming the sidewalks outside the Fed and the Bank of America building across the street. ---------------THE UNITY wasn't a coincidence. "The unions reached out to us first," said Andy Manos, a DePaul University graduate student, who is among a group of Occupy Chicago activists working to build alliances with the local labor movement. In his view, the convergence of the Occupy activists and Chicago labor is only one local example of what he sees as a "slow process of radicalization" taking shape across the U.S. that's taken "leaps and bounds" in a matter of days. Micah Philbrook, another Occupy Chicago activist, said it was only logical that the movement make common cause with labor--even though he works as a nonunion drama and comedy teacher. "The majority of the population wants to see us pay our teachers adequately, and not to cut these social programs, and yet they're still being
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cut. " For Jen Johnson, a CTU executive board member, the Occupy Wall Street movement is especially welcome, given that her union and its allies have been targeting banks and other local corporations for more than a year for their role in squeezing funds out of public education. The Chicago offices of the big national banks, for example, have been profiting from high interest loans to the Chicago Public Schools, while borrowing at rock-bottom prices themselves. Meanwhile, Chicago businesses have been undertaking development efforts using funds diverted from the school system through Tax Increment Financing (TIF) zones. "I think it shows that the American people are realizing how interconnected money and politics are," Johnson said. "They're not going to be satisfied to sit on the sidelines while politicians give corporations exactly what they want, while their kids don't have textbooks and their kids are in overcrowded classrooms, and they're out of work." That sentiment was widespread in the big contingent of protesters from Action Now, a community group that has been campaigning to demand the banks clean up the abandoned properties rife on Chicago's heavily African American South and West Sides. "We bailed them out," said Willie Macon, a data entry worker who lives on the West Side. "Now people are losing their houses, and there are no jobs. We are suffering, and we need to be heard." There's no doubt that the mortgage bankers heard the protest, which numbered at least 5,000 at its peak. After swarming through police lines to march up Michigan Avenue, the demonstrators surged towards the entrance to the city's Art Institute to temporarily block the bankers' entrance to a gala reception. More than 30 union members and activists sat down on the sidewalk and refused to leave as CTU President Karen Lewis gave a brief statement carried live on the local news. "This is just thievery in its purest form," Lewis said of the bankers. "This is not the way to run this country. I am so honored and humbled to be among people who really care about what's going on in this city. We're not going to tolerate this robber baron behavior." After police moved in to make arrests--to the jeers of several thousand onlookers-most of the union and community activist contingents boarded buses, while a line of cops, backed by mounted police, pushed demonstrators off the street. Occupy Chicago activists then organized the hundreds of people still on the scene to march off to a general assembly, as the nightly meetings are called. But even as the protesters went their separate ways, there was a palpable sense of unity. ---------------THE LINKS between labor and the Occupy movement seen in Chicago are becoming commonplace across the U.S. In Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Boston, unions have either endorsed or turned out member to support Occupy protests, and the activists in turn have embraced labor struggles as their own. These ties have already gone well beyond the labor-left alliances seen in the global justice movement of the late 1990s as
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young working class people, whether or not they are in unions or employed, recognize organized labor as a potential force to fight for all working people. That convergence in struggle between organized labor and the wider working class, which surfaced in the big battle in Wisconsin last winter against Republican Gov. Scott Walker's public-sector union-busting, has now gone national as the result of Occupy Wall Street. That became clear in the big October 5 march in New York City, when unions brought thousands of workers into the streets. Or rather, it was the thousands of workers directly involved in the Occupy movement already who pulled their unions into the streets. Michael Mulgrew, president of New York's United Federation of Teachers, admitted as much in a radio interview before the march. But there's labor support for the Occupy movement--and then there's labor support. In Chicago, the reform leadership in the CTU has been seeking to link the struggle to defend public education with demands to make the wealthy and the bankers pay more in taxes to fund the schools. Now that message resonates across the U.S. labor movement as the Occupy efforts have their effect. But not all the unions that have endorsed the movement are serious about confronting Wall Street. For example, United Auto Workers (UAW) President Bob King announced his union's support for the Occupy movement even as the UAW was pushing contracts that lock in lower-tier pay for new hires and other concessions made in recent years. Similarly, SEIU President Mary Kay Henry, whose union has likewise pushed concessions in exchange for labor-management "partnership," also backs the protests. Do maneuvers like these justify those who contend that organized labor should be kept out of the Occupy movement? Not at all. First, it's important to recognize that union officials, like the UFT's Mulgrew, are responding to pressure from rank-and-file members who identify with the Occupy struggle. Second, even a cynical endorsement of the movement by a conservative union leader will nevertheless open the door to wider political discussion, initiatives and actions on the part of union members. The greater the official labor participation in the Occupy movement, the easier it will be for union militants to make connections with Occupy activists and build solidarity networks within and between unions. For their part, top union leaders seem to be welcoming the Occupy movement as a potential source of renewal. However, most have shown little stomach for turning the anger in the streets into workplace organizing. On the contrary, most union officials continue to bow to concessions in both the public and private sector. Even in Wisconsin, where a general strike was a topic of serious discussion among militants as last winter's battle against Walker played out, union officials shied away from industrial action and focused instead on an effort-ultimately unsuccessful--to recall Republicans in the state legislature. More than a few union officials are willing to mobilize protests in the streets as a substitute for confrontations with employers through job actions or strikes.
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The challenge for union militants, therefore, is to use the new fighting mood around the Occupy movement to take a stand against employers--and take the initiative if union officials are unable or unwilling to do so. A first step is organizing against the incessant employer demands for concessions in pay and health care--and in the public sector, fighting to defend social services. From the fight in Wisconsin earlier this year to the organizing underway in the Occupy movement today, it's clear that the labor movement can be revived and rebuilt on a fighting basis. At the same time, the labor movement must also make space for the vast majority of working people who are not in unions, as well as students and the unemployed. From solidarity committees for ongoing struggles to launching union organizing drives, those who find themselves outside the ranks of the unions--for now--will have a vital role in strengthening organized labor as part of a wider working-class movement. The elements of such a movement have come into view. The task now is to build it.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of diane sare september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:16:19 PM

I am forwarding this message, which is of interest particularly regard to the "Demands" question. Remember the 1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall -- the slogan was "Wir sind das Volk" That was it -- reminds me of "We are the 99%" and they changed history. I think we do have to plan for victory -- what do we want then? The Germans were liberated, but only for the free-trade Euro system...

A Message to the “Occupy Wall Street“ Movement

By Alexander Hartmann, editor-in-chief of Neue Solidarität, Wiesbaden, Germany

Dear friends, greetings from Wiesbaden, Germany. When I joined, 35 years ago, the political movement of Lyndon LaRouche, it was our aim to revive the “spirit of ‘76”, the spirit of the American Revolution, in order to achieve a new just economic order for the whole world. And to this day, this has remained our aim. We knew, that we were fighting a mighty enemy: that, which one can best call the new British Empire, which has been growing and spreading all over the globe, with ever more might and ever more ruthlessness, ever since US President Richard Nixon took that fateful decision to de-couple the dollar from gold. Already then, it had been clear - as Lyndon LaRouche warned us, at the time that this would ultimately lead us into a great economic crisis and collapse, and that we would need a mass movement, to defend our rights as citizen and human beings, at the point where the financial empire, in it’s death throes, tries to keep itself alive at the expense of the people. 22 years ago, in autumn of 1989, we saw how another great empire collapsed, the empire of the former Soviet Union, when the people of East Germany renounced their allegiance to their dictators, and declared: “We are the people!” Within a few weeks, the number of protesters rose, from the initially 700, who carried their candles around the Thomas Church in Leipzig. Soon, it became thousands and then ten thousands, until in the end millions of people were on the streets to shout “We are the people!” And the regime of Erich Honecker gave up, and the Soviet empire collapsed. The
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Berlin wall that had been with me for my whole life - it was built two weeks after I was born - fell, and the parts of divided Germany grew together again. But the financial empire of the West, the empire of the banks on Wall Street and in the City of London, did not collapse - not yet. Quite to the contrary, it took command of the “captive nations” of the former East Block, and of the rest of the world, and it grew stronger than ever. The citizens of the former GDR, that had been rallying to get the D-Mark, were given the Euro instead, and a policy of economic destruction and looting, taking down what was left of their productive economy, was forced upon them by the financial empire. The hopes of 1989 were drowned in the morass of globalization. The same fate was suffered, a little later, by the other, now former industrialized nations. 12 years ago, I was in the United States to help defeat the Presidential ambitions of George W. Bush - to no avail, unfortunately. Then, I told the people assembled at a town hall meeting in Detroit, Michigan, that empires have always collapsed, when their strongest satrapy turns against them - just like the Soviet empire collapsed, when the people of Eastern Germany forced a change. The strongest satrapy of the new British Empire was America, I told them, and the financial empire would collapse, when the American people take to the streets, like the citizens of East Germany, in sufficient numbers, do demand a change of policies. In all those years, it was our hope, to see a revival of the “Spirit of 1776” in America. And we have been waiting, for a very long time. America elected Bush, and it elected Obama, and things got worse and worse and worse, year by year, month by month, week by week, day by day, and hour by hour. More and more people became poor, lost their work, lost their homes, their health insurance, and even their daily bread. The aspiring developing countries of the “Third World” turned into the failed states of the Fourth World of today, and the empire deploys the troops of the Western world, to take control over their resources. Instead of helping those who go hungry, it forces them to grow bio fuels. Today, more than a billion of people go hungry every day. And even in the rich countries, more and more people go hungry, too. And the desperate people all over the world were asking: “How long will we have to wait, until America wakes up? Until America remembers the cause that it fought for, against the British Empire, in her American Revolution? But, now, the hour has come, where the sleeping giant awakes, where Americans start taking to the streets. Few, at first, not many more than those, 22 years ago, in Leipzig. But as in Eastern Germany, their numbers keep growing, and they rally in more and more cities and towns, to tell their government and the bosses of their banks and corporations: “We are the people - we are the 99%!” This movement is growing. Hundreds and thousands take to the streets in hundreds and thousands of cities and towns, and soon they will make America again into what it should have been, from its inception: a beacon of hope, and a temple of liberty.
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The irony is that this movement must fight, not for the fall of a wall, but for the reerection of another wall, the fire wall between commercial banks and investment banks, to protect the honest citizens from speculators, by the same old GlassSteagall standard that was introduced by Franklin D. Roosevelt. The empire of the banks and speculators, which has accompanied us for all of our lives, is well on its way to be thrown onto the junk yard of history. For, as soon as that one step has been taken, that takes away the customer’s funds from the speculators, we will see that the empire is about as mighty as the Wizard of Oz: It consists, mainly, out of hot air and the fears of their victims. When their victims cease to have fear, the might of the empire dissolves into hot air. Then, we will recognize, that true wealth does not consist of money, but in the things produced by the hard working, honest people, and in the ability of the human mind, to find new solutions for old and new problems. Our wealth does not lie in the vaults of the banks, but in the hearts of the people! Let us rebuild our nations, let us build, instead of new empires, alliances of sovereign nation states that work together for the common aims of mankind. I greet an America, that has woken up, that is on the best way, to re-ignite the beacon of hope, and to rebuild the temple of liberty! Let that beacon of hope never be extinguished again, and let that temple of liberty never be torn down again!

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martin Kaminer september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:40:26 PM

As there's been discussion about / interest in parallel protest movements in other countries here's an update on the (proportionately) massive J14 protests in Israel in August, at least as it stands at the moment. These protests were principally aimed at reducing housing costs and resulted in the appointment of a Prime Ministerial committee which many saw as channeling popular pressure into a dampening/dilatory committee process whose recommendations would eventually be ignored and forgotten. Worth heeding lessons learned here as well as in Spain and other places.

October 9, 2011

Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs
By REUTERS

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved an economic reform plan aimed at easing living costs in response to weeks of popular social protests. Ministers voted 21-8 in favour of the proposals drawn up by a governmentappointed panel lead by economist Manuel Trajtenberg, and submitted to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last month. "Implementation of the report will lower the cost of living, cut taxes, boost disposable income and make housing more affordable," Netanyahu told cabinet ministers, a statement from his office said. The plan still faces an uphill battle in parliament before some of its key provisions can be implemented. Netanyahu had sought a vote on the plan a week ago but he could not muster enough votes from ministers in his own Likud party and in coalition partners. Israeli media reported that Netanyahu made a deal with the conservative Yisrael Beiteinu party on more benefits for those who have recently completed their compulsory military duty and for public housing. The plan calls for cutting the defence budget by 5 percent in 2012, while raising
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capital gains and corporate taxes. That would produce money needed to boost socialwelfare spending without breaching fiscal targets. The Trajtenberg committee was formed after weeks of massive public demonstrations calling for lower living costs -- particularly for fuel, food, housing and child care -- rocked Netanyahu's right-wing coalition government. Protesters throughout the summer camped out in major cities and their activism culminated last month in one of the largest-ever demonstrations in Israel's history. The protests along with threats of consumer boycotts led some foodmakers to drop prices on cheeses and other staples. (Reporting by Steven Scheer; Editing by Hans-Juergen Peters)

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of LaurenD september17 SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Re: Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:19:32 PM

This is actually a good idea. We should encourage drummers and musicians to go around the city or area and bring people to us as a form of outreach.

On Oct 11, 5:56 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > As a musician who has been receiving noise complaints my whole life I have to say this guy has a point. Maybe the drummers should travel around some more; going to different parts of the city and drumming up support (yuk yuk yuk) as outreach, and cut our neighbors a bit of a break. > > > > > > > > On 10/11/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in. > > > > How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)? > > > > -justin > > > > To Occupy Wall Street > > As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. > > You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. > > But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? > > There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from

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9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. > > When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? > > Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginning-to-heal neighborhood. > > Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. > > But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. > > Thank you > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of LaurenD september17 SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Re: Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:12:17 PM

Yes, this proposal is great. Please propose this at the GA and say that it is asked by many of the working groups that can't hear each other during their meetings as well as the neighbors (many who are supporting our cause) . I am sure the musicians will be respectful to our work and it will be passed. I know that everytime I have asked them to please stop they have been nice about it. Lauren* On Oct 11, 1:32 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in. > > How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)? > > -justin > > To Occupy Wall Street > > As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. > > You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. > > But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? > > There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. > > When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? > > Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginning-to-heal neighborhood. > > Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. > > But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming.

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> > Thank you > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lycophidion september17 SPAM-MED: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:03 AM

Very important to distinguish between the *occupation* and the *movement*. The two are not identical. The occupation at Liberty Park could end at some point, but I believe a tipping point has been reached in the birth of a movement, a collective will to resist and oppose corporate America's "one-sided class war." At this point, there is perhaps still an umbilical cord.... If the occupation does end (and I don't see that happening anytime soon), it must be on our terms and under our control. The movement is beginning to or will begin to develop its own dynamic, apart from physical occupations of terrain, although that continues to be an effective strategy. m.

On Oct 10, 7:38 pm, beka economopoulos <b...@notanalternative.net> wrote: > Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely:http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-stre... > > And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. > > Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will > someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and > nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves > that this will not be the case.” >

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #FILM call for co-producer for tomorrow Monday, October 10, 2011 7:50:44 PM

Thanks, Abe! I will be available to meet shooters & editors, etc. tomorrow at 10:30am. I'll be in and around the media center at that time. I'd love to hear from you on this thread. Who wants to make it happen tomorrow? Feel free to meet me there, call or text: 914-456-3472. On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: > Hey Jaime, > > Thanks for taking the initiative. Its a good idea that producers write > an e-mail to the group the day before you are scheduled to > produce/coordinate in order to introduce yourself and get people to > sign up for shooting and editing. > > Jaime, what time will you be on site in the morning so that shooters > and editors can meet up with you to plan? > > I don't see anyone signed up to shoot or edit tomorrow on doodle, so > who will be on site? > > -Abe > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Jaime <jaimexo@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am producing tomorrow but need to be unavoidably called away for a >> couple hours in the afternoon. Wondering if someone is interested in >> sharing duties and covering coordination & intake while I'm away. >> >> I will be there tomorrow morning to discuss further. 914-456-3472. >> >> Also need access to the sign up sheet. Can someone forward me that >> link? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jaime >> >> > > > > -> www.AbrahamHeisler.com > www.vimeo.com/heisler > www.imdb.me/heisler > www.newdawnlab.com

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #FILM call for co-producer for tomorrow Monday, October 10, 2011 10:27:16 PM

Thanks, Fix! I have someone who hasn't yet been to occupy coming to help shoot too. He has camera & sound (maybe a partner.) He'll meet us in the morning. I'll have a laptop (with final cut & premier) & hard drive. See you tomorrow. On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: I will be there at 9 and have already told finance that my focus tmrw is media (yeah). Would be happy to help in any way - shoot, sound, coordinate, my edit skills are but I could ingestion and assist edit with a little TLC from someone so I can be refreshed. Do not have camera... sorry. Will see if I can tangle something up. See you at 9. Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 10, 2011 7:50 PM, "Jaime Fallon" <jaimexo@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Abe! I will be available to meet shooters & editors, etc. tomorrow at 10:30am. I'll be in and around the media center at that time. I'd love to hear from you on this thread. Who wants to make it happen tomorrow? Feel free to meet me there, call or text: 914-456-3472. On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: > > > > > Hey Jaime, Thanks for taking the initiative. Its a good idea that producers write an e-mail to the group the day before you are scheduled to produce/coordinate in order to introduce yourself and get people to

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> sign up for shooting and editing. > > Jaime, what time will you be on site in the morning so that shooters > and editors can meet up with you to plan? > > I don't see anyone signed up to shoot or edit tomorrow on doodle, so > who will be on site? > > -Abe > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Jaime <jaimexo@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am producing tomorrow but need to be unavoidably called away for a >> couple hours in the afternoon. Wondering if someone is interested in >> sharing duties and covering coordination & intake while I'm away. >> >> I will be there tomorrow morning to discuss further. 914-456-3472. >> >> Also need access to the sign up sheet. Can someone forward me that >> link? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jaime >> >> > > > > -> www.AbrahamHeisler.com > www.vimeo.com/heisler > www.imdb.me/heisler > www.newdawnlab.com

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #Vote - Quorum and voting procedure Monday, October 10, 2011 8:11:51 PM

Yea Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Abraham Heisler <abe@abrahamheisler.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, At today's 11AM meeting, we brought up the issue on passing proposals at meetings. Although, there are 50+ people helping with media, only 10-15 are generally at any given meeting. So then, what number is necessary to make a quorum and when does a decision need to be opened up to the larger group? Here is what was proposed: If a group in meeting feels a decision requires immediate action (i.e. an event is happening now and it needs to be decided whether to cover it or not) then a proposal can be submitted and voted on by the people present, however if more than 1/10 of the people present feel the decision should be posed to the larger media group, then an e-mail would go out informing the larger group of the proposal and asking people to vote "yea" or "nay" either electronically or in person at the next meeting on the following day. This proposal is an example of something that the people at today's meeting felt should be opened up to the larger group. So, we will vote on whether to accept the above proposal at tomorrow's meeting (5PM). If you cannot attend the meeting and would like to vote, please respond with a "yea" or "nay". For future reference, observe the hash tag "#Vote" in the title of the e-mail, which should call to attention that a vote from you is required. Thanks, -Abe -www.AbrahamHeisler.com www.vimeo.com/heisler www.imdb.me/heisler www.newdawnlab.com

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #VOTE "Occupy" Everything Monday, October 10, 2011 9:55:42 PM

Yay for OccupyMedia Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: OccypyMedia is my vote but this might relate to the bigger question of 'have we decided 100% where the completed videos and photos will live? Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 10, 2011 9:08 PM, "Nathan Earl" <nathancantread@gmail.com> wrote: Yay or Nay from here on out, we affix "Occupy" as the official tag at the beginning of any project/group OccupyMedia instead of OccupytheMedia or GlobalRevolutionMedia

We need consistency.
Yay or Nay

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Badges Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47:50 AM

Hey Anya This looks great - however, I'm concerned with the written content. Did you all discuss objectives/mission statement/shifts etc in yesterday's meetings? I didn't see that discussion on the minutes. We have a working "charter." Creation of a charter for each working group is part of a larger structure conversation that's happening right now. The text on the page should reflect the working charter. Unless you all vetoed the charter yesterday. Someone fill me in? Thanks Katie

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Hello, guys, I have made the OccupyTV logo and this page: http://www.otvny.org/ I am professionally a graphic designer/programmer - and i am currently NOT on the square, but on PC all time - i would LOVE to make as much of the web/graphic work for the movement as i can possibly make, since I can concentrate in this 100% here.. Here is my inspiration: I made the OccupyTVNY logo and here is what i would like to offer - we can set up portal at www.occupytv.com that will unite all media teams around all cities into a network. For each team we can use a modified version of the LOGO. I am attaching in this email some example. The cool part about this particular layout with the fist holding the camera is that we can adopt it visually to incorporate a national flag of a country for teams around the world. I am attaching examples for Spain and Russia. Ofcourse, other teams if they already have a logo, or would prefer using another one can do so - we still can unite all on one portal and have this layout being offered to all teams to modify and adopt. What do you think? Thoughts, ideas? p.s. I am attaching the PSD file with the original logo , so that you can use it on badges or any print material if you chose to. 2011/10/10 Peter Azen <peterazen@gmail.com> Great responses.
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I was asked to draft a logo and a design for the badge and from the meeting I thought that Occupy Media was the main name people went with, but I agree with all your beautiful comments. Maybe just having the OccupyTVNY logo could make it easier for people to identify us. Kyle, or anyone, do you have the Gotham typeface to share? I don't have it and I've been looking around and couldn't find it for free. About how it is going to be distributed. I think it have to be discussed in the Media meetings, but it could be laminated and with a clip that can be attached to the person's clothes, or it could be put inside a plastic sleeve on an armband. People on another string of e-mails are saying that we should do something easy as a square with a ball made of tape, but I think we would loose too much time doing that each day and people wouldn't get the reference unless it was written Media in it. Thanks, Pete

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Kyle <kbw2501@gmail.com> wrote: On 10/10/2011 12:44 AM, Peter Azen wrote: Hi, As I had to run to shoot Zizek speak during this morning's meeting, I don't think many of you got to see the badge card I made yesterday. So because of that, I decided to attach to this e-mail and would like to receive feedback so we can get to a final design. I'm attaching a landscape and a portrait version of it. This can also adapt to an armband. Thanks, Pete Pete, How are these going to be distributed? Will they be laminated? Will they be put on lanyards? Who is going to pay for them and where are they all going to be printed at? Apologies if these questions have been answered in previous meetings. --Kyle

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Anna Petrova
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. "~ Edmund Burke "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so sanguine and happy" ~ phy "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" ~ George Carlin "A goal without a plan is just a wish." ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards" ~ Soren Kierkgaard. "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing will happen." ~ Jacque Fresco

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Badges Monday, October 10, 2011 11:12:14 AM

Absolutely understand your frustration Anya. I think its shared by many people. We're working to create an orientation guide/structure that is fully transparent and will allow everyone to participate to their fullest. Hopefully have that nailed in this week. In the meantime, keep watching minutes for the content of the meetings and feel free to email with any questions or concerns. The logo is amazing. Thanks for jumping on this. x Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccliz-bdqbrcmj8z0bboewn1d6w@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-qw0-f59.google.com [209.85.216.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:56:43 -0400

Hello, Katie, i WOULD LOVE to come and participate in the meetings, but i am not on the square anymore - i have migrated into the house upstate NY because i can be much more productive and helpful in this way. Honestly, i am experiencing a slight frustration, because it leeks like while working from here i become disconnected from the meetings and discussions that take place. Meanwhile i have a lot of tools to offer, so, if you, or anyone out there can help me be the point of connection to the TEAM on the square, i would APPRECIATE it so much. my skype is (TulipTimeNow) and my phone - 6466731919 anya 2011/10/10 Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com>
Hey Anya This looks great - however, I'm concerned with the written content.

Did you all discuss objectives/mission statement/shifts etc in yesterday's meetings? I didn't see that discussion on the minutes. We have a working "charter." Creation of a charter for each working group is part of a larger structure conversation that's happening right now. The text on the page should reflect the working charter. Unless you all vetoed the charter yesterday. Someone fill me in? Thanks Katie

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Hello, guys, I have made the OccupyTV logo and this page: http://www.otvny.org/ I am professionally a graphic designer/programmer - and i am currently NOT on the square, but on PC all time - i would LOVE to make as much of the web/graphic work for the movement as i can possibly make, since I can concentrate in this 100% here.. Here is my inspiration: I made the OccupyTVNY logo and here is what i would like to offer - we can set up portal at www.occupytv.com that will unite all media teams around all cities into a network. For each team we can use a modified version of the LOGO. I am attaching in this email some example. The cool part about this particular layout with the fist holding the camera is that we can adopt it visually to incorporate a national flag of a country for teams around the world. I am attaching examples for Spain and Russia. Ofcourse, other teams if they already have a logo, or would prefer using another one can do so - we still can unite all on one portal and have this layout being offered to all teams to modify and adopt. What do you think? Thoughts, ideas? p.s. I am attaching the PSD file with the original logo , so that you can use it on badges or any print material if you chose to. 2011/10/10 Peter Azen <peterazen@gmail.com> Great responses. I was asked to draft a logo and a design for the badge and from the meeting I thought that Occupy Media was the main name people went with, but I agree with all your beautiful comments. Maybe just having the OccupyTVNY logo could make it easier for people to identify us. Kyle, or anyone, do you have the Gotham typeface to share? I don't have it and I've been looking around and couldn't find it for free. About how it is going to be distributed. I think it have to be discussed in the Media meetings, but it could be laminated and with a clip that can be attached to the person's clothes, or it could be put inside a plastic sleeve on an armband. People on another string of e-mails are saying that we should do something easy as a square with a ball made of tape, but I think we would loose too much time doing that each day and people wouldn't get the reference unless it was written Media in it. Thanks, Pete

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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Kyle <kbw2501@gmail.com> wrote: On 10/10/2011 12:44 AM, Peter Azen wrote: Hi, As I had to run to shoot Zizek speak during this morning's meeting, I don't think many of you got to see the badge card I made yesterday. So because of that, I decided to attach to this e-mail and would like to receive feedback so we can get to a final design. I'm attaching a landscape and a portrait version of it. This can also adapt to an armband. Thanks, Pete Pete, How are these going to be distributed? Will they be laminated? Will they be put on lanyards? Who is going to pay for them and where are they all going to be printed at? Apologies if these questions have been answered in previous meetings. --Kyle

-Anna Petrova
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. "~ Edmund Burke "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so sanguine and happy" ~ phy "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" ~ George Carlin "A goal without a plan is just a wish." ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards" ~ Soren Kierkgaard. "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing will happen." ~ Jacque Fresco

-Anna Petrova
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. "~ Edmund Burke "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so sanguine and happy" ~ phy "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" ~ George Carlin "A goal without a plan is just a wish." ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards" ~ Soren Kierkgaard. "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing will happen." ~ Jacque Fresco

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; Nikky Liberty SPAM-MED: re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Contacts with Occupy L.A.? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:03:39 AM

sorry just sorting all this. drowning on this email chain Call Jil Hardin - 213.760.0400 or Coleen Haynes - 213.810.1771 both good friends of mine. producers - coordinating with media and press there. Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccoh4-ozmfrdpjs30bboeoxywfa@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:28:20 -0400

I'm speaking on the Peter Tilden show tom morning. Anybody have a contact to Occupy L.A.? Nikita

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Donation to media Monday, October 10, 2011 10:29:28 PM

Thanks, Anthony! On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Anthony DiMieri <anthony.dimieri@gmail.com> wrote: Would be happy to do some moonlight editing after work. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:11 PM, anya <sunmoonpluto@gmail.com> wrote: wow. this is awesome! use it wisely ; ) .... 2011/10/10 Jaime <jaimexo@gmail.com> We have an offer from polemic media. They just wrapped on a documentary and the production facility and editing stations (2) are not being used. David, the owner, has offered to bring a crew & lighting to an event that needs fuller coverage and use of some equipment. He is going to email me about specific gear available. Editing is at 35 Great Jones. Ideas about how we can and should utilize this gift?

-Anna Petrova
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. "~ Edmund Burke "Disillusionment is always a wrack. Especially when Illusions are so sanguine and happy" ~ phy "They call it 'American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" ~ George Carlin "A goal without a plan is just a wish." ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupery "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards" ~ Soren Kierkgaard. "If you do nothing there is one thing we can promise you, nothing will happen." ~ Jacque Fresco

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] FYI - kanye west is on his way to #occupywallstreet Monday, October 10, 2011 5:05:29 PM

John was able shoot him. Got it!

On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:54 PM, "Peter Harris" <peter@fotojournalism.net> wrote:
http://lockerz.com/s/146104850

Russell Simmons | UncleRUSH

Posted about an hour ago…

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] KATIE Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:39:28 AM

The invitation is in Spanish. ;) Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccp-n-koddrdfw9h0bboepq63gq@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-bw0-f59.google.com [209.85.214.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:33:54 -0400

EY KATIE THE GLOBALREVOLUTIONMEDIA GROUP IS IN ENGLISH THOUGH I DON´T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN SPANISH CAN YOU TELL ME? BEST NIKKY

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jaime Fallon globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] OCCUPYMEDIA #VOTE "Occupy" Everything Monday, October 10, 2011 10:10:43 PM

Yay Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:04 PM, andrew@thehumanchannel.org wrote: Official vote Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Jaime Fallon <jaimexo@gmail.com> Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:55:27 -0400 To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > ReplyTo: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #VOTE "Occupy" Everything Yay for OccupyMedia Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Fix <senorfix@gmail.com> wrote: OccypyMedia is my vote but this might relate to the bigger question of 'have we decided 100% where the completed videos and photos will live? Fix Michael Fix (917) 572-8215 Sent from my Star Trek like, mobile communication device, which is destroying language. On Oct 10, 2011 9:08 PM, "Nathan Earl" <nathancantread@gmail.com> wrote: Yay or Nay from here on out, we affix "Occupy" as the official tag at the beginning of any project/group OccupyMedia instead of
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OccupytheMedia or GlobalRevolutionMedia

We need consistency.
Yay or Nay

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: ] #GRAPHIX - zuccotti park map Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:10:15 PM

Open Source has already created that map. Look for Ted or Devin - or ask the internet WG. Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bncckuowowuebdp4nh0bboevxk1cw@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vw0-f59.google.com [209.85.212.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:35:29 -0400

Thanks. What I need is a map for each working group video. Ie; each map will have to somehow highlight/magnify the spot where comfort or info or signmaking is, et al. Just one group per map per video. Earl, Sent from iP On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:30 PM, andrew@thehumanchannel.org wrote: > Cc'ing design working group > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----> From: NathanCantRead > Sender: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:28:33 > To: > Reply-To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com > Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] #GRAPHIX - zuccotti park map > > Hi, > > I need a designer to make an easy sketch of Zuccotti park, not a photo, just an easy outline/map of the park, for the How To working groups videos I'm making. > > Enjoy yourselves. > Earl.

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Greaves globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Film Screenings using audio transmitted over radio - possible answer Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:06:48 AM

There might be an issue with broadcasting radio which they might try to use legal tactics to shut down but radio would be a good idea. One solution which I have been working on but have only gotten a prototype to work is to use icecast streaming server. There is a nice mac program based on this called Nicecast http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ this lets you start an internet radio station using itunes or just the mic on your computer. It's a free trial that lets you broadcast for an hour at a time, but it's only like $60 for the full license. This is initially set up to broadcast over the internet, but if you can have a wireless router running hooked up to a computer using nicecast then anyone who joins that wireless network will be able to listen to the audio. a few problems: there is a 7 second delay on the audio so it might not be good to sync movies. I'm not sure how much capacity this will have, but the prototype works. people join the wireless router's network then go to a local url and hit play from an html5 browser. Another possible answer for streaming movies is using the same network router, but using vlc to stream the movie over the network so a bunch of people can view it on their phone. THis would work, but is best for prerecorded stuff because there is a 7 second delay on the video too. THis can be really powerful if you guys want to spend the energy to make it work. it can also create a local web site that people can access to see what's happening and what is needed within the local area network range. If we can get it working it can be replicated pretty easily and cheaply. I am not available to be there until next week but I can skype or email with people on the details of the procedure to get these solutions going. Radio might just be the answer, but I thought I would add this additional info

John

On 10/11/11 9:37 AM, Pam Tietze wrote:

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> If we can use an FM transmitter that can cover the length of the > square, we can 'occupy' a station and transmit audio (yes the GA > meetings and whatever else people want) live that people can listen to > with their phones. I think. Ha > > That airtime can be scheduled like a calendar so people can transmit > different info at all times. It gets around the amplification issue. > > It seems pretty simple to me in theory. It's like what they use on > walking tours, etc. > > > On Oct 11, 8:37 am, Daniel Levine<danieltrump...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Pam. Not sure exactly what you had in mind, but we have a radio working >> group. WBAI is giving us a half hour slot on their station starting next >> week (mon-fri 6:30-7). We're also looking into podcasting if you can help >> call me. 347-853-2612 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Pam Tietze<pam.tie...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> It's completely possible that this has already been discussed, but I >>> was wondering why we don't transmit audio on a radio channel so people >>> can tune in and/or listen with their phones. I was thinking about this >>> because I wanted to screen films at the square and was trying to >>> think of different ways for people to hear the audio aside from >>> subtitles. >>> There could also be a website where people can 'tune in' and listen >>> with their phones. >>> What do you think?? >>> Thanks, >>> Pam >>> 254-681-8061

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of John Greaves globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Film Screenings using audio transmitted over radio Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:25:23 PM

all you need is a computer that has web server software on it. I use a mac so it would be easier to explain it on that but it shoudl also easily work on a pc. I have some html with a small script that allows your browser to listen to the audio stream that I can send over. basically you need to launch nicecast and have it playing something. People can listen to it if they have a program that plays playlists easily. Iphones which have quicktime do this well. But it is more accessible if you can use your browser which is what the html is for. macs have a built in server or you can use MAMP. http://mamp.info . start up the router and join the network with the computer running nicecast and the server . Now people just have to join the network also and then go to yourcomputer.local or another address that can be specified. I can walk you through this better but that's the basics. I also have a router that can be plugged in and also has an adapter for running on D batteries. That can get to you soon if needed. I can help guide you but wont be available in person til tuesday. John On 10/11/11 12:40 PM, Pam Tietze wrote: > Yes! That was me, hi! > > From my *limited* understanding, I'm not even sure if an 'app' is > necessary if we can just have a webpage that people can go to? > > John seems to have a pretty good grasp on how to do this. John--would > you mind setting up the site? Or perhaps giving me more details on > exactly what we need in terms of process (tech-dummies version for me > ha). I'm downloading nicecast now. It sounds like really all we need > is a router and a computer dedicated to this. > > For now I'm putting together a silent film series, but I think if we > can figure this out it can really help in many ways. > > On Oct 11, 11:31 am, ddotto<toddodo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Perhaps I spoke with you yesterday, from the Media Center dug-out during GA? >> Anyway, I think its a brilliant idea. I'd like to add two comments. >> >> First, and I mentioned this yesterday, I think that the Open Source Working >> Group is probably better suited for handling this project. People from that >> group are developing mobile apps for the movement, and this definitely >> qualifies. >> >> Second, I think I read a shout-out for folks who might have, or would be >> willing to acquire, a Ham Radio Operator's License. The concept 'Occupy the >> Air!' even rhymes with 'Occupy the Square!' It's perfect! Anyway, I'm sure >> we can get people on-board who would love to share their pirate radio >> skills. We can keep transmission area small, just within the park, though

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>> there are certainly legal issues that would have to be discussed. Some folks >> might want to steer clear of any potential acts which would offer the NYPD >> an excuse to raid us. >> >> Between the two, I favor mobile phone apps for Android, iPhone, etc. Who the >> hell owns a transistor radio these days? I must admit though, the image of a >> few radios around the park, with groups of people gathering close together >> to listen to a broadcast, is pretty warm and fuzzy. >> >> Todd >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Abraham Heisler<a...@abrahamheisler.com>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> It boggles my mind why we haven't found a smart phone app to handle this >>> yet!!! >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Pam Tietze<pam.tie...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> If we can use an FM transmitter that can cover the length of the >>>> square, we can 'occupy' a station and transmit audio (yes the GA >>>> meetings and whatever else people want) live that people can listen to >>>> with their phones. I think. Ha >>>> That airtime can be scheduled like a calendar so people can transmit >>>> different info at all times. It gets around the amplification issue. >>>> It seems pretty simple to me in theory. It's like what they use on >>>> walking tours, etc. >>>> On Oct 11, 8:37 am, Daniel Levine<danieltrump...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Pam. Not sure exactly what you had in mind, but we have a radio working >>>>> group. WBAI is giving us a half hour slot on their station starting next >>>>> week (mon-fri 6:30-7). We're also looking into podcasting if you can >>> help >>>>> call me. 347-853-2612 >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Pam Tietze<pam.tie...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> It's completely possible that this has already been discussed, but I >>>>>> was wondering why we don't transmit audio on a radio channel so people >>>>>> can tune in and/or listen with their phones. I was thinking about this >>>>>> because I wanted to screen films at the square and was trying to >>>>>> think of different ways for people to hear the audio aside from >>>>>> subtitles. >>>>>> There could also be a website where people can 'tune in' and listen >>>>>> with their phones. >>>>>> What do you think?? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Pam >>>>>> 254-681-8061 >>> ->>> www.AbrahamHeisler.com >>> www.vimeo.com/heisler >>> www.imdb.me/heisler >>> www.newdawnlab.com >> ->> *revolution - transformation - love*

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Drew Hornbein SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:27:10 PM

I agree with you on some level Kari, but we can not forget that what makes this different than anything prior to it is technology and social media. We have the capacity to work in outreach and movement building, i.e. go beyond purely documenting. I would argue that we have the responsibility to do so as a working group servicing the GA. I want to discuss this further in today's meeting, but concerning heckling - that is not what this movement is about. We are inclusive, not exclusive. We want to speak to the police in a way that makes them understand that they should join us. I think heckling is irresponsible and childish on any protestor's part. That doesn't mean we can't archive a fair portrayal of what is actually happening on the ground, but posting things like that on our website implies that we support that kind of behavior... which feeds the negative portrayal of us that is already floating around in the mainstream media. We have a responsibility to be better than that... this is about a fundamental value system underlying our Declaration of Solidarity. Our media team and messaging should be reflective of that value system. Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbdj6th0bboebf7rrg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:09 -0400

Katie's concern speaks to something Abe brought up at yesterday's meeting: what are we doing? Are we purely documenting, representing all our voices and messages? Or are we promoting / framing a more specific message? I personally like the documentary approach. I think videos of heckling police officers and more radical forms of resistance can and should be balanced with videos of meditation groups, overtly aggressive cops, and all non-radical resistance. I think the OccupyMedia Teams messages should be as scattered as the Occupy Wall Street Movement. And that - like the movement - points of unification will naturally emerge as we begin to work in larger numbers on longer term projects. x, kari

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:

This is great, but I have a problem with the bit on the cops - specifically the heckling. I don't think that's a proper reflection of what we represent, or should represent. I know that's nit picky, but if we're posting it on our websites, I think we have to consider messaging... Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccpfn9onkelzx0fqeggridous@googlegroups.com>

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Hi everyone! The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and occupywallstreet websites. Can we make this happen? Marisa It's posted here: http://vimeo.com/30241489

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; Drew Hornbein SPAM-MED: re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:39:57 PM

This is great, but I have a problem with the bit on the cops - specifically the heckling. I don't think that's a proper reflection of what we represent, or should represent. I know that's nit picky, but if we're posting it on our websites, I think we have to consider messaging... Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccpfn9onkelzx0fqeggridous@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-bw0-f59.google.com [209.85.214.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:15:58 -0400

Hi everyone! The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and occupywallstreet websites. Can we make this happen? Marisa It's posted here: http://vimeo.com/30241489

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globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Katie Davison globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Drew Hornbein SPAM-MED: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] we the people have found our voice Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:40:06 PM

Agreed. And as someone whose been arrested and encountered violence on the part of the NYPD over the last 3 weeks, I absolutely understand that anger. I am advocating moral and ethical high ground. I am not, however, saying we should silence voices. This is a much larger conversation that has been developing for some time and needs to be addressed asap. I will be sending out a draft of the media charter soon and am hoping we can all get on the same page to present it to the GA by end of week. Weigh in remotely if you can.

Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbcli9l0bboedffa6g@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-qy0-f187.google.com [209.85.216.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:06:04 -0400 I agree with much of what you're saying Katie, but I do have some ethical concerns and counterpoints. I think there's a way to include all voices - even the most angry and the most tame, while representing the majority in the middle proportionately. I didn't see any violence in the video, and I believe anger toward the NYPD is valid, though I do agree that we should also make videos that try to get police forces on our side. The movement may eventually risk subgroups breaking away if the Media Team / website does not represent everyone. I think we can figure out a way to do this responsibly and with the goals of the movement in mind. I can't make the meeting today, but I'll be there all day tomorrow. Maybe we could wait a day or two before deciding whether or not to post this video? (This is a media group decision - right?) SORRY if this debate is getting too nit-picky. It's not really about this particular video, it's more about the bigger conversation of the Media Team's purpose.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: I agree with you on some level Kari, but we can not forget that what makes this different than anything prior to it is technology and social media. We have the capacity to work in outreach and movement building, i.e. go beyond purely documenting. I would argue that we have the responsibility to do so as a working group servicing the GA. I want to discuss this further in today's meeting, but concerning heckling - that is not what this movement is about. We are inclusive, not exclusive. We want to speak to the police in a way that makes them understand that they should join us. I think heckling is irresponsible and childish on any protestor's part. That doesn't mean we can't archive a fair portrayal of what is actually happening on the ground, but posting things like that on our website implies that we support that kind of behavior... which feeds the negative portrayal of us that is already floating around in the mainstream media. We have a responsibility to be better than that... this is about a fundamental value system underlying our Declaration of Solidarity. Our media team and messaging should be reflective of that value system.

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Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccmiutiypdbdj6th0bboebf7rrg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-vx0-f187.google.com [209.85.220.187] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:09 -0400 Katie's concern speaks to something Abe brought up at yesterday's meeting: what are we doing? Are we purely documenting, representing all our voices and messages? Or are we promoting / framing a more specific message? I personally like the documentary approach. I think videos of heckling police officers and more radical forms of resistance can and should be balanced with videos of meditation groups, overtly aggressive cops, and all non-radical resistance. I think the OccupyMedia Teams messages should be as scattered as the Occupy Wall Street Movement. And that - like the movement - points of unification will naturally emerge as we begin to work in larger numbers on longer term projects. x, kari

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote: This is great, but I have a problem with the bit on the cops - specifically the heckling. I don't think that's a proper reflection of what we represent, or should represent. I know that's nit picky, but if we're posting it on our websites, I think we have to consider messaging... Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bnccpfn9onkelzx0fqeggridous@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-bw0-f59.google.com [209.85.214.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:15:58 -0400 Hi everyone! The filmmakers who brought us Nobody can predict the moment of Revolution have made a longer film, and they'd like to post it on the nycga and occupywallstreet websites. Can we make this happen? Marisa It's posted here: http://vimeo.com/30241489

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:56:31 PM

As a musician who has been receiving noise complaints my whole life I have to say this guy has a point. Maybe the drummers should travel around some more; going to different parts of the city and drumming up support (yuk yuk yuk) as outreach, and cut our neighbors a bit of a break.

On 10/11/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in. How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)? -justin To Occupy Wall Street As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginning-to-heal neighborhood. Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. Thank you

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Steven Abramson 114 Liberty Street

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 4:18:51 PM

I like positive love filled sweep of this piece. I agree with most of it. But I do think we need to communicate something more concrete to the 99%. People who are out of work and losing their house are not interested in grand visions of a possible world. They want solutions to their problems. It may be that the mere existance of OWS and a big message will help, but I think we can oppose things that are obviously harmful. I personaly am not asking anyone to give up "rational self interest." I am only asking them to give up greed, which is irrational. Far sighted rational self interested saves the people and the environment and the economy all at the same time. The rational part means you have to figure it out and make it work though. We could start be putting forth a set of principles, that would communicate to the world the general direction that we want to go. There was a group working on such a thing but I don't know where to find them. Demands don't always have to be in the positive either. End slavery is a perfectly reasonable demand. Like I said I like the article, but many in the 99% need real help right now. Thanks, John

On 10/10/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.realitysandwich.com/occupy_wall_street_no_demand_big_enough

"Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary."

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: @Stake: Occupy Wall Street Monday, October 10, 2011 12:13:17 PM

This page has a petition to support OWS. I edited the letter slightly. Check it out:

Republicans and Democrats: I stand with the Occupy Wall Street protests because it's time to take the country back for the People. We have to let billionaires, big oil and big bankers know that we’re not going to let the richest 1% force draconian economic policies and massive cuts to crucial programs on Main Street Americans. The real middle is not halfway between the Repocrats and the Demublicans. Occupy Wall st is a mission to find the real middle, and take back the world from the global corporations that fund your campaigns and write your bills while you ignore the 99%. John McGloin

On 10/10/11, Gabriel Johnson<gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: So this is the first email I've gotten from any official national Democratic group supporting us. I am a Democrat, but I would like to see my socialist (and anarchist, Marxist, etc.) sisters and brothers have a little fun with this. (Oh, D-Trip, you don't know what you've gotten yourselves into, do you…) --glj ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Robby Mook <dccc@dccc.org> Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:32 AM Subject: @Stake: Occupy Wall Street To: Gabriel Johnson <Gabjoh2@gmail.com>

DCCC @Stake Newsletter

Gabriel -We have a winner! Sarah from California will join Vice President Gore and Leader Pelosi for dinner tonight in San Francisco. Thousands of grassroots Democrats from across the country participated in our contest. And, I want to thank everyone for their continued support and dedication to the Democratic Party. PETITION: I Stand with #OccupyWallStreet Protestors are assembling in New York and around the country to let billionaires, big oil and big bankers know that we’re not going to let the richest 1% force draconian economic policies
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 8:09:22 AM

LaRouche is a fascist. That word is used not as a loose epithet but as a scientific characterization. His organization should not be welcome in our movement. Diane, if you need more information on that please let us know.

---------- Original Message ---------From: diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:15:49 -0400 I am forwarding this message, which is of interest particularly regard to the "Demands" question.� Remember the 1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall -- the slogan was "Wir sind das Volk" That was it -- reminds me of "We are the 99%"�� and they changed history.� I think we do have to plan for victory -- what do we want then? � The Germans were liberated, but only for the free-trade Euro system...

A Message to the �Occupy Wall Street� Movement � By Alexander Hartmann, editor-in-chief of Neue Solidarit� Wiesbaden, Germany � Dear friends, greetings from Wiesbaden, Germany. When I joined, 35 years ago, the political movement of Lyndon LaRouche, it was our aim to revive the �spirit of �76�, the spirit of the American Revolution, in order to achieve a new just economic order for the whole world. And to this day, this has remained our aim. ���� We knew, that we were fighting a mighty enemy: that, which one can best call the new British Empire, which has been growing and spreading all over the globe, with ever more might and ever more ruthlessness, ever since US President Richard Nixon took that fateful decision to de-couple the dollar from gold. �� Already then, it had been clear - as Lyndon LaRouche warned us, at the time that this would ultimately lead us into a great economic crisis and collapse, and that we would need a mass movement, to defend our rights as citizen and human
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beings, at the point where the financial empire, in it�s death throes, tries to keep itself alive at the expense of the people. ��� 22 years ago, in autumn of 1989, we saw how another great empire collapsed, the empire of the former Soviet Union, when the people of East Germany renounced their allegiance to their dictators, and declared: �We are the people!� � Within a few weeks, the number of protesters rose, from the initially 700, who carried their candles around the Thomas Church in Leipzig. Soon, it became thousands and then ten thousands, until in the end millions of people were on the streets to shout �We are the people!� �� And the regime of Erich Honecker gave up, and the Soviet empire collapsed. The Berlin wall that had been with me for my whole life - it was built two weeks after I was born - fell, and the parts of divided Germany grew together again. ���� But the financial empire of the West, the empire of the banks on Wall Street and in the City of London, did not collapse - not yet. Quite to the contrary, it took command of the �captive nations� of the former East Block, and of the rest of the world, and it grew stronger than ever. ��� The citizens of the former GDR, that had been rallying to get the D-Mark, were given the Euro instead, and a policy of economic destruction and looting, taking down what was left of their productive economy, was forced upon them by the financial empire. The hopes of 1989 were drowned in the morass of globalization. The same fate was suffered, a little later, by the other, now former industrialized nations. ��� 12 years ago, I was in the United States to help defeat the Presidential ambitions of George W. Bush - to no avail, unfortunately. Then, I told the people assembled at a town hall meeting in Detroit, Michigan, that empires have always collapsed, when their strongest satrapy turns against them - just like the Soviet empire collapsed, when the people of Eastern Germany forced a change. ��� The strongest satrapy of the new British Empire was America, I told them, and the financial empire would collapse, when the American people take to the streets, like the citizens of East Germany, in sufficient numbers, do demand a change of policies. �� In all those years, it was our hope, to see a revival of the �Spirit of 1776� in America. And we have been waiting, for a very long time. America elected Bush, and it elected Obama, and things got worse and worse and worse, year by year, month by month, week by week, day by day, and hour by hour. �� More and more people became poor, lost their work, lost their homes, their health insurance, and even their daily bread. �� The aspiring developing countries of the �Third World� turned into the failed states of the Fourth World of today, and the empire deploys the troops of the Western world, to take control over their resources. Instead of helping those who go hungry, it forces them to grow bio fuels. Today, more than a billion of people go hungry every day. And even in the rich countries, more and more people go hungry, too.

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And the desperate people all over the world were asking: �How long will we have to wait, until America wakes up? Until America remembers the cause that it fought for, against the British Empire, in her American Revolution? �� But, now, the hour has come, where the sleeping giant awakes, where Americans start taking to the streets. Few, at first, not many more than those, 22 years ago, in Leipzig. But as in Eastern Germany, their numbers keep growing, and they rally in more and more cities and towns, to tell their government and the bosses of their banks and corporations: �We are the people - we are the 99%!� �� This movement is growing. Hundreds and thousands take to the streets in hundreds and thousands of cities and towns, and soon they will make America again into what it should have been, from its inception: a beacon of hope, and a temple of liberty. The irony is that this movement must fight, not for the fall of a wall, but for the reerection of another wall, the fire wall between commercial banks and investment banks, to protect the honest citizens from speculators, by the same old GlassSteagall standard that was introduced by Franklin D. Roosevelt. The empire of the banks and speculators, which has accompanied us for all of our lives, is well on its way to be thrown onto the junk yard of history. For, as soon as that one step has been taken, that takes away the customer�s funds from the speculators, we will see that the empire is about as mighty as the Wizard of Oz: It consists, mainly, out of hot air and the fears of their victims. When their victims cease to have fear, the might of the empire dissolves into hot air. �� Then, we will recognize, that true wealth does not consist of money, but in the things produced by the hard working, honest people, and in the ability of the human mind, to find new solutions for old and new problems. Our wealth does not lie in the vaults of the banks, but in the hearts of the people! �� Let us rebuild our nations, let us build, instead of new empires, alliances of sovereign nation states that work together for the common aims of mankind. �� I greet an America, that has woken up, that is on the best way, to re-ignite the beacon of hope, and to rebuild the temple of liberty! �� Let that beacon of hope never be extinguished again, and let that temple of liberty never be torn down again!

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of diane sare september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 8:34:36 AM

Actually, I am one of his national representatives, and have known him personally since before the Bush Sr. admin threw him in prison 22 years ago, so I'm quite aware of all of the stories that have been told, phrases taken out of context, etc. I am definitely not a fascist, and neither is he. I hope you will dig a little deeper. Regardless of your disagreement on that point, I do think the 1989 mass strike is of interest. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:07 AM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: LaRouche is a fascist. That word is used not as a loose epithet but as a scientific characterization. His organization should not be welcome in our movement. Diane, if you need more information on that please let us know.

---------- Original Message ---------From: diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:15:49 -0400 I am forwarding this message, which is of interest particularly regard to the "Demands" question.� Remember the 1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall -- the slogan was "Wir sind das Volk" That was it -- reminds me of "We are the 99%"�� and they changed history.� I think we do have to plan for victory -- what do we want then?� The Germans were liberated, but only for the free-trade Euro system...

A Message to the �Occupy Wall Street� Movement � By Alexander Hartmann, editor-in-chief of Neue Solidarit� Wiesbaden, Germany � Dear friends, greetings from Wiesbaden, Germany. When I joined, 35 years ago, the political movement of Lyndon LaRouche, it was our aim to revive the �spirit of �76�, the spirit of the American Revolution, in
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order to achieve a new just economic order for the whole world. And to this day, this has remained our aim. ���� We knew, that we were fighting a mighty enemy: that, which one can best call the new British Empire, which has been growing and spreading all over the globe, with ever more might and ever more ruthlessness, ever since US President Richard Nixon took that fateful decision to de-couple the dollar from gold. �� Already then, it had been clear - as Lyndon LaRouche warned us, at the time - that this would ultimately lead us into a great economic crisis and collapse, and that we would need a mass movement, to defend our rights as citizen and human beings, at the point where the financial empire, in it�s death throes, tries to keep itself alive at the expense of the people. ��� 22 years ago, in autumn of 1989, we saw how another great empire collapsed, the empire of the former Soviet Union, when the people of East Germany renounced their allegiance to their dictators, and declared: �We are the people!� � Within a few weeks, the number of protesters rose, from the initially 700, who carried their candles around the Thomas Church in Leipzig. Soon, it became thousands and then ten thousands, until in the end millions of people were on the streets to shout �We are the people!� �� And the regime of Erich Honecker gave up, and the Soviet empire collapsed. The Berlin wall that had been with me for my whole life - it was built two weeks after I was born - fell, and the parts of divided Germany grew together again. ���� But the financial empire of the West, the empire of the banks on Wall Street and in the City of London, did not collapse - not yet. Quite to the contrary, it took command of the �captive nations� of the former East Block, and of the rest of the world, and it grew stronger than ever. ��� The citizens of the former GDR, that had been rallying to get the D-Mark, were given the Euro instead, and a policy of economic destruction and looting, taking down what was left of their productive economy, was forced upon them by the financial empire. The hopes of 1989 were drowned in the morass of globalization. The same fate was suffered, a little later, by the other, now former industrialized nations. ��� 12 years ago, I was in the United States to help defeat the Presidential ambitions of George W. Bush - to no avail, unfortunately. Then, I told the people assembled at a town hall meeting in Detroit, Michigan, that empires have always collapsed, when their strongest satrapy turns against them - just like the Soviet empire collapsed, when the people of Eastern Germany forced a change. ��� The strongest satrapy of the new British Empire was America, I told them, and the financial empire would collapse, when the American people take to the streets, like the citizens of East Germany, in sufficient numbers, do demand a change of policies. �� In all those years, it was our hope, to see a revival of the �Spirit of 1776� in America. And we have been waiting, for a very long time. America elected Bush,
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and it elected Obama, and things got worse and worse and worse, year by year, month by month, week by week, day by day, and hour by hour. �� More and more people became poor, lost their work, lost their homes, their health insurance, and even their daily bread. �� The aspiring developing countries of the �Third World� turned into the failed states of the Fourth World of today, and the empire deploys the troops of the Western world, to take control over their resources. Instead of helping those who go hungry, it forces them to grow bio fuels. Today, more than a billion of people go hungry every day. And even in the rich countries, more and more people go hungry, too. And the desperate people all over the world were asking: �How long will we have to wait, until America wakes up? Until America remembers the cause that it fought for, against the British Empire, in her American Revolution? �� But, now, the hour has come, where the sleeping giant awakes, where Americans start taking to the streets. Few, at first, not many more than those, 22 years ago, in Leipzig. But as in Eastern Germany, their numbers keep growing, and they rally in more and more cities and towns, to tell their government and the bosses of their banks and corporations: �We are the people - we are the 99%!� �� This movement is growing. Hundreds and thousands take to the streets in hundreds and thousands of cities and towns, and soon they will make America again into what it should have been, from its inception: a beacon of hope, and a temple of liberty. The irony is that this movement must fight, not for the fall of a wall, but for the re-erection of another wall, the fire wall between commercial banks and investment banks, to protect the honest citizens from speculators, by the same old Glass-Steagall standard that was introduced by Franklin D. Roosevelt. The empire of the banks and speculators, which has accompanied us for all of our lives, is well on its way to be thrown onto the junk yard of history. For, as soon as that one step has been taken, that takes away the customer�s funds from the speculators, we will see that the empire is about as mighty as the Wizard of Oz: It consists, mainly, out of hot air and the fears of their victims. When their victims cease to have fear, the might of the empire dissolves into hot air. �� Then, we will recognize, that true wealth does not consist of money, but in the things produced by the hard working, honest people, and in the ability of the human mind, to find new solutions for old and new problems. Our wealth does not lie in the vaults of the banks, but in the hearts of the people! �� Let us rebuild our nations, let us build, instead of new empires, alliances of sovereign nation states that work together for the common aims of mankind. �� I greet an America, that has woken up, that is on the best way, to re-ignite the beacon of hope, and to rebuild the temple of liberty! �� Let that beacon of hope never be extinguished again, and let that temple of liberty never be torn down again!
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-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: RE: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:11:45 AM

I have also been struggling with the traffic on this list. I am not in NY but working these make bank pay actions. I have now visited occupations in NY, SF,LA, DC and now in Chicago – getting a good feel for what is happening….. I know this list is important to stay connected –maybe people could use more discipline in what is posted. I see lots of things like +1 , +10000000 , good job , great idea --- can those please be sent to just the person instead of the whole list – feel like I spend hours deleting sometimes…….. It’s not about silencing but actual make room for things that need attention, Peace, Lisa
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jason ahmadi Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:39 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Important Note

Again with the echo and repeat, As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to keep up with this email list. So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved. Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed. It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Echo and repeat.

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I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement > are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info > desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been > trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit > from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due > to the lack of time. > Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Interesting stat Monday, October 10, 2011 10:53:49 PM

WINNING! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:29 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > According to Rachel Maddow, last month there were 164 mentions of corporate > greed on TV news. This month there are 1,801 mentions of corporate greed on > TV news. Muhahaaahaaa > > > On 10/10/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: > Yes creativity and small events everywhere can be very effective > > > On 10/10/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? > http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-ofthe-plan/ > > "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public > protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has > been done before. According to New York City law, permits are > necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public > parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, > and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists > have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where > Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free > wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner > in the city, for weeks at a time? > > These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than > those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an > environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned to be > very creative. Their signature move is the so-called “strolling” > protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated > over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the > buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a protest > happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one place, and a > phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester > from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve created a > disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, > people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are > with them." > > Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it > would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The > NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer > approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is > peaceful action. > > Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... > peaceful..... > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> > wrote:

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>> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. >> >> >> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add >> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >> supporters...... >> >> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >> >> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from >> there) >> >> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >> >> >> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >> make Saturday something different. >> >> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >> ------------------------------------->> The time has come to fight the banks. >> >> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >> us in moving from protest to resistance >> >> No longer will banks take our homes. >> >> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >> >> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >> >> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >> >> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >> without a struggle. >> >> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. >> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >> >> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase >> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >> >> We. >> >> Will. >> >> Occupy. >> >> Everywhere >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >> <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: >>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>> >>> indefinitely: http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stayindefinitely/

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>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will >>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >>> that this will not be the case.” >>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for >>> the >>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to >>> make >>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer >>> an >>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>> integrated. >>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the >>> space >>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we >>> do >>> it again, we push further. >>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about >>> ways >>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. >>> And >>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the >>> way. >>> xob >>> >>> ->>> >>> New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-analternative/ >>> Not An Alternative >>> http://notanalternative.com >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Martin Kaminer september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:23:05 PM

I don't entirely disagree -- and I'm not sure it's worth getting into it in earnest in this forum -- but what the link below shows is attempts at cooperation by the J14 organizers with Israeli Arabs living inside and where possible outside the Green Line. When you say that an 'entire population of people of color' is 'under [Israel's] control', they may in some ways be under the control of the Israeli government, but they are largely beyond the reach of the Israeli people. Israeli government policies have severely curtailed the ability of an entire generation of Israelis and Palestinians to communicate at all -- in fact many young Palestinians have never seen a civilian Israeli and vice versa and it's illegal for Israelis to enter Palestinian areas. So it's questionable as to whether one can really ding the J14 protesters for their inability to connect with Palestinians living beyond the Green Line and I'm not sure whether the phrase 'purposefully excluded' really tells the whole story... but all points well taken. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Ryan Green <ryangreenish@gmail.com> wrote: I think what Andy means is that this movement in Israel has purposefully excluded an entire population of people of color who are under it's control. Ryan On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Andy, say more about how Palestinian refugees trying to cross borders and getting shot is more similar to OWS than the tent protests in Israeli cities against the wealthy. Are you proposing that OWS engage in border crossing tactics, or suggesting that Israelis protesting their own elites are doing something different than the (mostly white) OWS'ers are doing in New York? My own opinion is that public square + sleeping bags/tents + demands for justice = similarity. If this is a false identification, it needs a much more thorough critique. Folks might note this interesting statement of support for Israel's tent protests, signed by the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Palestinian People’s Party – as well as the Israeli Knesset faction of Democratic Front for Peace and Equality (Hadash), comprised of The Israeli Communist Party and Tarabut-Hitabrut. Other signatories include the joint Israeli-Palestinian Alternative Information Centre, and the Palestinian Progressive Workers’ Union, Farmers’ Unions, Union of Palestinian Women, and others. http://972mag.com/joint-palestinian-israeli-statement-supporting-j14-end-tooccupation/22410/ Charles On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:45 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:
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These protests, while marginally (both numerically and politically) involving tiny numbers of Palestinians inside the pre-1967 green line, this was overwhelmingly a movement of colons : i.e., of racially dominant Jewish Israeli citizens. When supporters of Palestinian rights complained that the housing/antiinflation movement was ignoring them (akin to our POC demanding more consciousness of us), they were told: "Leave us alone." The REAL parallel in historic Palestine for us is the re-occupation movement of May and June, when refugees tried to reclaim their land by crossing the 1948 borders. Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition ---------- Original Message ---------From: Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:40:22 -0400 As there's been discussion about / interest in parallel protest movements in other countries here's an update on the (proportionately) massive J14 protests in Israel in August, at least as it stands at the moment. � These protests were principally aimed at reducing housing costs and resulted in the appointment of a Prime Ministerial committee which many saw as channeling�popular pressure into a dampening/dilatory committee process whose recommendations would eventually be ignored and forgotten. � Worth heeding lessons learned here as well as in Spain and other places.

October 9, 2011

Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs
By REUTERS

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved an economic reform plan aimed at easing living costs in response to weeks of popular social protests. Ministers voted 21-8 in favour of the proposals drawn up by a governmentappointed panel lead by economist Manuel Trajtenberg, and submitted to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last month. "Implementation of the report will lower the cost of living, cut taxes, boost disposable income and make housing more affordable," Netanyahu told cabinet ministers, a statement from his office said. The plan still faces an uphill battle in parliament before some of its key provisions can be implemented.
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Netanyahu had sought a vote on the plan a week ago but he could not muster enough votes from ministers in his own Likud party and in coalition partners. Israeli media reported that Netanyahu made a deal with the conservative Yisrael Beiteinu party on more benefits for those who have recently completed their compulsory military duty and for public housing. The plan calls for cutting the defence budget by 5 percent in 2012, while raising capital gains and corporate taxes. That would produce money needed to boost social-welfare spending without breaching fiscal targets. The Trajtenberg committee was formed after weeks of massive public demonstrations calling for lower living costs -- particularly for fuel, food, housing and child care -- rocked Netanyahu's right-wing coalition government. Protesters throughout the summer camped out in major cities and their activism culminated last month in one of the largest-ever demonstrations in Israel's history. The protests along with threats of consumer boycotts led some foodmakers to drop prices on cheeses and other staples. (Reporting by Steven Scheer; Editing by Hans-Juergen Peters)�

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan Green september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:14:43 PM

I think what Andy means is that this movement in Israel has purposefully excluded an entire population of people of color who are under it's control. Ryan On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Andy, say more about how Palestinian refugees trying to cross borders and getting shot is more similar to OWS than the tent protests in Israeli cities against the wealthy. Are you proposing that OWS engage in border crossing tactics, or suggesting that Israelis protesting their own elites are doing something different than the (mostly white) OWS'ers are doing in New York? My own opinion is that public square + sleeping bags/tents + demands for justice = similarity. If this is a false identification, it needs a much more thorough critique. Folks might note this interesting statement of support for Israel's tent protests, signed by the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Palestinian People’s Party – as well as the Israeli Knesset faction of Democratic Front for Peace and Equality (Hadash), comprised of The Israeli Communist Party and Tarabut-Hitabrut. Other signatories include the joint Israeli-Palestinian Alternative Information Centre, and the Palestinian Progressive Workers’ Union, Farmers’ Unions, Union of Palestinian Women, and others. http://972mag.com/joint-palestinian-israeli-statement-supporting-j14-end-tooccupation/22410/ Charles On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:45 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: These protests, while marginally (both numerically and politically) involving tiny numbers of Palestinians inside the pre-1967 green line, this was overwhelmingly a movement of colons : i.e., of racially dominant Jewish Israeli citizens. When supporters of Palestinian rights complained that the housing/anti-inflation movement was ignoring them (akin to our POC demanding more consciousness of us), they were told: "Leave us alone." The REAL parallel in historic Palestine for us is the re-occupation movement of May and June, when refugees tried to reclaim their land by crossing the 1948 borders. Andy Pollack Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition ---------- Original Message ---------From: Martin Kaminer <martin.kaminer@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs
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