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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] CONFIDENTIAL (so far): 1199/SEIU support Friday, September 30, 2011 10:40:29 PM

It IS wonderful but I read that story this morning on HuffPo! On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, all. If you haven't heard: today, 1199, the largest local union in the country, voted unanimously to support us. THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL until tomorrow morning. The 1199 press team is working with us on media roll-out and agreed that I should break the story tomorrow on Up with Chris Hayes on MSNBC (big platform, very pro-labor host, &c.) -- tune in and then let's play this up big. Here's their statement.
On Friday, September 30th, 1199 SEIUs executive leadership voted unanimously to support the Wall Street protesters demand that corporate America be held accountable for the current economic crisis. Corporations and the wealthy should pay the fair share in taxes they owe to middle-class Americans so this country can get back to work. We need jobs, not cuts. 1199 SEIU is the largest healthcare workers union in NY. It represents over 350,000 workers in NY, NJ, MA, MD, Washington D.C. and FL.

This support is going to be amazing: 1 week's worth of food, RNs to train our medical team, the formulation and development of a committee to liaise with us, continued support as conditions change, mobilization on actions, a motion to the Central Labor Council to recruit other labor support -- the works! We ought to be awfully proud of this one; 1199 is one of the great organizations working for justice and equality in America (it was Dr. King's favorite union, while he lived). In solidarity! JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] CONFIDENTIAL (so far): 1199/SEIU support Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:42:22 PM

Sure, great that you can give the working group report; I try to do it but need other people to do it as well, especially tonight when I cant be there.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:12 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] CONFIDENTIAL (so far): 1199/SEIU support

Is it ok to announce it in GA tonight? I would like to be able to give a labor report and encourage everyone to attend the DC 37 rally on Tues. and the Beyond May 12th Coalition march on Wednesday. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:09 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: tweeting now. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: Wonderful news! Very exciting! On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Ben <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: Will do! On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: > Yup. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Ben <bf0189@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Can we tweet it yet? (@OccupyWallSt) Thanks >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:36 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Awesome. Keep it up yall >> > >> > On Sep 30, 2011 11:32 PM, "Gary Roland" <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Great job guys... >> >> >> >> ~GARY >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> You're right, sorry, I had it mixed up with this one:
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>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/nyc-transit-union-joinso_n_987156.html >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:04 PM, J.A. Myerson >> >>> <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> No you didn't. The vote didn't even happen until 1:30 or so. >> >>>> >> >>>> JAM >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:38 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It IS wonderful but I read that story this morning on HuffPo! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM, J.A. Myerson >> >>>>> <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi, all. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If you haven't heard: today, 1199, the largest local union in the >> >>>>>> country, voted unanimously to support us. THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL >> >>>>>> until >> >>>>>> tomorrow morning. The 1199 press team is working with us on media >> >>>>>> roll-out >> >>>>>> and agreed that I should break the story tomorrow on Up with Chris >> >>>>>> Hayes on >> >>>>>> MSNBC (big platform, very pro-labor host, &c.) -- tune in and then >> >>>>>> let's >> >>>>>> play this up big. Here's their statement. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Friday, September 30th, 1199 SEIUs executive leadership voted >> >>>>>>> unanimously to support the Wall Street protesters demand that >> >>>>>>> corporate >> >>>>>>> America be held accountable for the current economic crisis. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Corporations and the wealthy should pay the fair share in taxes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> owe to middle-class Americans so this country can get back to >> >>>>>>> work. We need >> >>>>>>> jobs, not cuts. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 1199 SEIU is the largest healthcare workers union in NY. It >> >>>>>>> represents over 350,000 workers in NY, NJ, MA, MD, Washington D.C.
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>> >>>>>>> and FL. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> This support is going to be amazing: 1 week's worth of food, RNs to >> >>>>>> train our medical team, the formulation and development of a >> >>>>>> committee to >> >>>>>> liaise with us, continued support as conditions change, >> >>>>>> mobilization on >> >>>>>> actions, a motion to the Central Labor Council to recruit other >> >>>>>> labor >> >>>>>> support -- the works! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We ought to be awfully proud of this one; 1199 is one of the great >> >>>>>> organizations working for justice and equality in America (it was >> >>>>>> Dr. King's >> >>>>>> favorite union, while he lived). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In solidarity! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> JAM >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ->> >>>>>> J.A. Myerson >> >>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >> >>>>>> 347.688.0241 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ->> >>>> J.A. Myerson >> >>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >> >>>> 347.688.0241 >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > -> J.A. Myerson > http://www.jamyerson.com > 347.688.0241 >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cesar september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Friday, September 30, 2011 9:08:21 AM

Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-yorkcity/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Friday, September 30, 2011 10:15:36 AM

Love it! On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-yorkcity/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Friday, September 30, 2011 11:41:41 AM

I'm very glad that we have this, and overall it's very good, but it's missing one big thing: there is no mention of how Wall Street created the economic crisis that destroyed millions of jobs, and how Wall Street was bailed out of its crisis by cutting vital public services! Any chance we can get that added? I realize that this list is not meant to include every grievance, but this is incredibly important and central to the damage done by Wall Street specifically, as opposed to capitalism as a whole. Frankly, we would not be occupying Liberty Park now if it weren't for the economic crisis - that's what set all this in motion. To not include it here seems like a major omission, and may make it harder to do outreach to the public sector unions that have started supporting us. Doug On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Love it! On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-newyork-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:49:34 AM

Much appreciated and I love this contribution. On Oct 1, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: The two addendums that I consider very important in a solidarity statement and I would like to propose are these: full rights for all immigrants, no human being is illegal; ending racism, xenophobia, homophobia and patriarchy; Cesar On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am not sure there is GA at 1 pm today. Schedule was changed by GA. In terms of the draft, let's not talk about postponement given the urgency, that is secondary. The working group will determine when it's ready to be proposed. What is important is be there at 1.30, and give me your feedback and let's have a discussion. We can get on the same page and fill in the blanks if you remain unsatisfied. If you cannot make, then send me proposed text that fits the framework. Let's not drag our feet. This process of principles of solidarity has been in the works for 2 weeks. Has gone through to GA's for proposals. What's in it is very representative and people can add on like the Declaration. If you have something send it. However, Principles discuss is very advanced and I have all the files with me. More than 300 has contributed. At 1.30 we can discuss. In solidarity. We need to finalize this list so we can take the bad looking working draft off the internet and we can blast this. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I will be there, but we should have a discussion about the Principles of Solidarity which I am not sure if it is proposed at the GA at 1:00. I have some major issues with the Principles of solidarity that is about to be proposed. It does not mention the oppression to undocumented workers, students and child (which I consider the civil rights grievance of the times being enforced by mass deportation, denial of human rights, and racist state legislations as we speak), or other forms of oppression such as racism, homophobia, patriarchy, etc.
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I strongly suggest to postpone the proposal of this document. I am glad that, somehow, after a lot of bouncing in the Plaza we got the Declaration of the Occupation of Wall Street and, those on the ground please make a thousand copies to hand out at the information booth!!! Please replace for the beach going party pamphlet currently handled to visitors that does not make us look serious, or at a minimum change the aesthetics of the pamphlet. We are being visited by the working class who may not understand the irony. BUT, we should start to implement a better process for the elaboration of our documents if we are serious about Direct Participatory Democracy and Transparent Government. Cesar On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: that would be great. can we make the meeting at 1:30? On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am not sure. We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free. I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is on-going and how it's evolving. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: when is the group's next meeting? On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: The working group on principles of solidarity has the document printed to be put before the GA to discuss and reach consensus. If time permits, that may be today. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I'd love to. When and where is the group that is working on demands and points of solidarity meeting? On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Doug, We should be able to modify our documents, and it would be wise to do so at this early stage. Indeed the points that you are raising are very important. I urge you to
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team with those interested and elaborate a modification that addresses the issues raised. Cesar On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I'm very glad that we have this, and overall it's very good, but it's missing one big thing: there is no mention of how Wall Street created the economic crisis that destroyed millions of jobs, and how Wall Street was bailed out of its crisis by cutting vital public services! Any chance we can get that added? I realize that this list is not meant to include every grievance, but this is incredibly important and central to the damage done by Wall Street specifically, as opposed to capitalism as a whole. Frankly, we would not be occupying Liberty Park now if it weren't for the economic crisis - that's what set all this in motion. To not include it here seems like a major omission, and may make it harder to do outreach to the public sector unions that have started supporting us. Doug On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Love it! On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declarationof-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

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spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Friday, September 30, 2011 6:00:23 AM

Are we still going to have demands? This, I LOVE it, (despite it not being perfect, in my opinion), and it is a GREAT thing to have, but I feel like a handful of specific action points would help. Thanks for sending this. --glj On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 print for saturday

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Friday, September 30, 2011 11:18:17 AM

Also - the meetings with the lawyers. For People Arrested: Can you post Sunday at 2pm at the National Lawyers Guild Office 132 Nassau St Suite 922 (Behind J & R) near city hall park. Call the NLG number for questions Marina On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Yes, Matt, it would be great if you have the time to make sure the calendars at NYCGA.net and occupywallst.org are updated with the Open Forum events that happen everyday at 6. Right now they don't appear... > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Matthew Bralow wrote: > >> in my opinion, we need a DEDICATED group that works with planning, >> coordinating, and uploading scheduling and calendar of events? is >> there a group for this? also we should also have a DEDICATED e-mail >> address or listserve specifically for this need for event >> submissions/calendar additions, etc. if this does not exist, i can >> create one. let me know.. matt 917-607-0962 >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> gotcha! the two brecht events: >>> >>> September 29th, 2011 5:30 PM >>> Peoples' University at #OccupyWallStreet >>> At Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty & Broadway >>> From Madrid to New York to.... >>> A History of Occupations >>> Discussion with Gerardo Renique >>> >>> Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions >>> across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy >>> Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward >>> for a world free of capitalism and war! >>> >>> Gerardo Renique recently returned from Madrid, Spain and is a professor at CUNY. >>> >>> PM October 4th, 2011 5:30 PM >>> People's University at #OccupyWallStreet >>> @ Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty and Broadway >>> Economic Update with Rick Wolff >>> >>> Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions >>> across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy >>> Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward >>> for a world free of capitalism and war! >>>

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>>> Richard Wolff will present a special "Economic Update" at Freedom >>> Square. Professor Wolff is an American economist, well-known for his >>> work on Marxian economics, economic methodology and class analysis. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SQUARE TO DO BOTH IF WE HAVE TO... >>>> SEN ME DETAILS AND i WILL CREATE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR THESE >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >>>> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> hey michael, >>>>> >>>>> I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that >>>>> helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to >>>>> have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you >>>>> can always send her a blurb. >>>>> >>>>> OK! >>>>> >>>>> Nico >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom >>>>> <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to >>>>>> put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), >>>>>> a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to >>>>>> actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their >>>>>> lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 >>>>>> to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and >>>>>> support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness >>>>>> will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to >>>>>> build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on >>>>>> several anti-foreclosure actions next week. >>>>>> Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a >>>>>> little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. >>>>>> As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working >>>>>> with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us >>>>>> build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper >>>>>> conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through >>>>>> strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take >>>>>> away from each others' attendance. >>>>>> How can we work this out? >>>>>> And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a >>>>>> blurb for it ASAP. >>>>>> Peace and Purpose, >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > >

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Friday, September 30, 2011 11:21:07 AM

These, and all events/calendar items, should also be posted on www.nycga.net, as that site is getting much more hits now, and it's content is a resource to other occupations. On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > Also - the meetings with the lawyers. > > For People Arrested: > Can you post Sunday at 2pm at the National Lawyers Guild Office > 132 Nassau St Suite 922 (Behind J & R) near city hall park. > > Call the NLG number for questions > > Marina > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud > <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> Yes, Matt, it would be great if you have the time to make sure the calendars at NYCGA.net and occupywallst.org are updated with the Open Forum events that happen everyday at 6. Right now they don't appear... >> >> On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Matthew Bralow wrote: >> >>> in my opinion, we need a DEDICATED group that works with planning, >>> coordinating, and uploading scheduling and calendar of events? is >>> there a group for this? also we should also have a DEDICATED e-mail >>> address or listserve specifically for this need for event >>> submissions/calendar additions, etc. if this does not exist, i can >>> create one. let me know.. matt 917-607-0962 >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >>> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> gotcha! the two brecht events: >>>> >>>> September 29th, 2011 5:30 PM >>>> Peoples' University at #OccupyWallStreet >>>> At Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty & Broadway >>>> From Madrid to New York to.... >>>> A History of Occupations >>>> Discussion with Gerardo Renique >>>> >>>> Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions >>>> across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy >>>> Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward >>>> for a world free of capitalism and war! >>>> >>>> Gerardo Renique recently returned from Madrid, Spain and is a professor at CUNY. >>>> >>>> PM October 4th, 2011 5:30 PM >>>> People's University at #OccupyWallStreet >>>> @ Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty and Broadway >>>> Economic Update with Rick Wolff

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>>>> >>>> Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions >>>> across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy >>>> Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward >>>> for a world free of capitalism and war! >>>> >>>> Richard Wolff will present a special "Economic Update" at Freedom >>>> Square. Professor Wolff is an American economist, well-known for his >>>> work on Marxian economics, economic methodology and class analysis. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SQUARE TO DO BOTH IF WE HAVE TO... >>>>> SEN ME DETAILS AND i WILL CREATE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR THESE >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >>>>> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> hey michael, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that >>>>>> helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to >>>>>> have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you >>>>>> can always send her a blurb. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK! >>>>>> >>>>>> Nico >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom >>>>>> <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to >>>>>>> put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), >>>>>>> a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to >>>>>>> actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their >>>>>>> lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 >>>>>>> to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and >>>>>>> support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness >>>>>>> will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to >>>>>>> build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on >>>>>>> several anti-foreclosure actions next week. >>>>>>> Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a >>>>>>> little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. >>>>>>> As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working >>>>>>> with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us >>>>>>> build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper >>>>>>> conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through >>>>>>> strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take >>>>>>> away from each others' attendance. >>>>>>> How can we work this out? >>>>>>> And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a >>>>>>> blurb for it ASAP. >>>>>>> Peace and Purpose, >>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >>

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> > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Friday, September 30, 2011 11:19:39 AM

Yes, Matt, it would be great if you have the time to make sure the calendars at NYCGA.net and occupywallst.org are updated with the Open Forum events that happen everyday at 6. Right now they don't appear... On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Matthew Bralow wrote: > in my opinion, we need a DEDICATED group that works with planning, > coordinating, and uploading scheduling and calendar of events? is > there a group for this? also we should also have a DEDICATED e-mail > address or listserve specifically for this need for event > submissions/calendar additions, etc. if this does not exist, i can > create one. let me know.. matt 917-607-0962 > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> gotcha! the two brecht events: >> >> September 29th, 2011 5:30 PM >> Peoples' University at #OccupyWallStreet >> At Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty & Broadway >> From Madrid to New York to.... >> A History of Occupations >> Discussion with Gerardo Renique >> >> Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions >> across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy >> Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward >> for a world free of capitalism and war! >> >> Gerardo Renique recently returned from Madrid, Spain and is a professor at CUNY. >> >> PM October 4th, 2011 5:30 PM >> People's University at #OccupyWallStreet >> @ Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty and Broadway >> Economic Update with Rick Wolff >> >> Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions >> across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy >> Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward >> for a world free of capitalism and war! >> >> Richard Wolff will present a special "Economic Update" at Freedom >> Square. Professor Wolff is an American economist, well-known for his >> work on Marxian economics, economic methodology and class analysis. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>> THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SQUARE TO DO BOTH IF WE HAVE TO... >>> SEN ME DETAILS AND i WILL CREATE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR THESE >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >>> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote:

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>>>> hey michael, >>>> >>>> I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that >>>> helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to >>>> have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you >>>> can always send her a blurb. >>>> >>>> OK! >>>> >>>> Nico >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom >>>> <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to >>>>> put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), >>>>> a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to >>>>> actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their >>>>> lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 >>>>> to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and >>>>> support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness >>>>> will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to >>>>> build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on >>>>> several anti-foreclosure actions next week. >>>>> Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a >>>>> little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. >>>>> As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working >>>>> with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us >>>>> build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper >>>>> conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through >>>>> strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take >>>>> away from each others' attendance. >>>>> How can we work this out? >>>>> And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a >>>>> blurb for it ASAP. >>>>> Peace and Purpose, >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Internet Team: Two events to be posted on occupywallst.org Friday, September 30, 2011 9:21:20 AM

in my opinion, we need a DEDICATED group that works with planning, coordinating, and uploading scheduling and calendar of events? is there a group for this? also we should also have a DEDICATED e-mail address or listserve specifically for this need for event submissions/calendar additions, etc. if this does not exist, i can create one. let me know.. matt 917-607-0962 On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > gotcha! the two brecht events: > > September 29th, 2011 5:30 PM > Peoples' University at #OccupyWallStreet > At Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty & Broadway > From Madrid to New York to.... > A History of Occupations > Discussion with Gerardo Renique > > Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions > across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy > Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward > for a world free of capitalism and war! > > Gerardo Renique recently returned from Madrid, Spain and is a professor at CUNY. > > PM October 4th, 2011 5:30 PM > People's University at #OccupyWallStreet > @ Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Park) Corner of Liberty and Broadway > Economic Update with Rick Wolff > > Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions > across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy > Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and move forward > for a world free of capitalism and war! > > Richard Wolff will present a special "Economic Update" at Freedom > Square. Professor Wolff is an American economist, well-known for his > work on Marxian economics, economic methodology and class analysis. > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >> THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE SQUARE TO DO BOTH IF WE HAVE TO... >> SEN ME DETAILS AND i WILL CREATE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR THESE >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> hey michael, >>> >>> I think we can push the Gerardo Renique talk back to 5. hopefully that >>> helps. also, get in touch with justine justine@occupywallst.org to >>> have your event published. i passed your info along to her, but you >>> can always send her a blurb.

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>>> >>> OK! >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael Strom >>> <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> How long do you think the event will go for on Thursday? I've been trying to >>>> put together a discussion with Organizing for Occupation (O4O; o4onyc.org), >>>> a group I organize with. O4O is a NYC grassroots organization working to >>>> actualize the human right to housing through direct action, and one of their >>>> lead organizers is planning to come to Liberty Plaza on Thursday (9/29) at 6 >>>> to discuss the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do to unite and >>>> support our struggles. O4O members fighting foreclosures and/or homelessness >>>> will also be there to lend their voices. The hopeful goal of the event is to >>>> build relationships between O4O and Occupy Wall Street in order to put on >>>> several anti-foreclosure actions next week. >>>> Thursday at 6 seems to be the only possible time this can happen (maybe a >>>> little later in the evening if necessary). And both events seem important. >>>> As I wrote this morning in response to the 99% Open Forum, I think working >>>> with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us >>>> build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper >>>> conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through >>>> strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take >>>> away from each others' attendance. >>>> How can we work this out? >>>> And is there a way "officially" get this on the schedule? I can write up a >>>> blurb for it ASAP. >>>> Peace and Purpose, >>>> Michael >>>> >>> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [nyc@] J.P. Morgan gives NYPD $4.6 million Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:28:22 PM

thanks for brining this to our attention! nico On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: andy podell <andy.podell@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:18 PM > Subject: [nyc@] J.P. Morgan gives NYPD $4.6 million > To: > > > NEW YORK CITY POLICE FOUNDATION NEW YORK > > JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the > New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the > history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police > Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay > for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring > software in the NYPD's main data center. > > New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman > Jamie Dimon a note expressing "profound gratitude" for the company's > donation. > > "These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us > safe," Dimon said. "We're incredibly proud to help them build this > program and let them know how much we value their hard work." > > http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm > > > > > > ... > > - Subscribe/unsubscribe: > <mailto:sympa@lists.riseup.net?subject=subscribe%20nycanarchists> > <mailto:sympa@lists.riseup.net?subject=unsubscribe%20nycanarchists> > <http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/nycanarchists> > - Questions: > <mailto:nycanarchists-editor@lists.riseup.net> > - Read nyc@ listserv online: > <http://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/nycanarchists> > Get password reminder msg from "Sympa": > <http://lists.riseup.net/www/remindpasswd> > > nycanarchists listserv has no guidelines. >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:44:43 PM

Be wary of political posturing!! When Paterson comes, he should be asked critical questions about the NY government's role in supporting terrible economic practices. Paterson was at the helm while CUNY/SUNY budgets were cuts and tuition was raised, and I'd imagine others have more to say about his approach to labor. We don't want Liberty Plaza to become a glorified soap box for these politicians. My two lil' cents... How about we set up a list of questions now to be prepared?... --> What would you like to ask former Gov Paterson at Occupy Wall Street's Liberty Plaza? -Conor On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by this > afternoon. > > I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly > already going?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:48:51 PM

+10000000. Conor! Paterson was no ally. 2011/9/29 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com>: > Be wary of political posturing!! When Paterson comes, he should be asked > critical questions about the NY government's role in supporting terrible > economic practices. Paterson was at the helm while CUNY/SUNY budgets were > cuts and tuition was raised, and I'd imagine others have more to say about > his approach to labor. We don't want Liberty Plaza to become a glorified > soap box for these politicians. My two lil' cents... > > How about we set up a list of questions now to be prepared?... > --> What would you like to ask former Gov Paterson at Occupy Wall Street's > Liberty Plaza? > > > -Conor > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site >> >> On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by >> > this >> > afternoon. >> > >> > I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly >> > already going? > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:19:57 PM

Exactly! This guy is not on our side, he's on their side. 2011/9/29 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Be wary of political posturing!! When Paterson comes, he should be asked critical questions about the NY government's role in supporting terrible economic practices. Paterson was at the helm while CUNY/SUNY budgets were cuts and tuition was raised, and I'd imagine others have more to say about his approach to labor. We don't want Liberty Plaza to become a glorified soap box for these politicians. My two lil' cents... How about we set up a list of questions now to be prepared?... --> What would you like to ask former Gov Paterson at Occupy Wall Street's Liberty Plaza? -Conor On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by this > afternoon. > > I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly > already going?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:29:33 PM

He represents the status quo... Don't let him soapbox. ~GARY On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Exactly! This guy is not on our side, he's on their side. 2011/9/29 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Be wary of political posturing!! When Paterson comes, he should be asked critical questions about the NY government's role in supporting terrible economic practices. Paterson was at the helm while CUNY/SUNY budgets were cuts and tuition was raised, and I'd imagine others have more to say about his approach to labor. We don't want Liberty Plaza to become a glorified soap box for these politicians. My two lil' cents... How about we set up a list of questions now to be prepared?... --> What would you like to ask former Gov Paterson at Occupy Wall Street's Liberty Plaza? -Conor On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by this > afternoon. > > I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly > already going?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:35:49 PM

did we let him soapbox too much. hope not. here's vid: http://t.co/bNNg5T5l On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: He represents the status quo... Don't let him soapbox. ~GARY On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Exactly! This guy is not on our side, he's on their side. 2011/9/29 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Be wary of political posturing!! When Paterson comes, he should be asked critical questions about the NY government's role in supporting terrible economic practices. Paterson was at the helm while CUNY/SUNY budgets were cuts and tuition was raised, and I'd imagine others have more to say about his approach to labor. We don't want Liberty Plaza to become a glorified soap box for these politicians. My two lil' cents... How about we set up a list of questions now to be prepared?... --> What would you like to ask former Gov Paterson at Occupy Wall Street's Liberty Plaza? -Conor On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by this > afternoon. > > I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly > already going?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:39:10 PM

Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by this > afternoon. > > I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly > already going?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Horizontalism in Argentina discussion Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:43:12 AM

mad that I can't be there. make sure someone records it? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > The popular rebellion that began in December 2001 in Argentina sparked > a process of revolutionary creativity that continues to this day. > Many have come to call this new social relationship, "horizontalidad" > (horizontalism) I, Marina lived in Argentina documenting these > movements for the years after the rebellion and continue to spend time > there. The discussion I will facilitate will describe the inspiring > social change that has and continues to take place as well as some of > the challenges facing the movements. These experiences and challenges > are especially relevant to us, here on Wall Street, and the many many > other horizontal movements around the world. > > Horizontalism: Voices of Popular Power in Argentina, the book, tells > the story of a changing society told by people who are taking their > lives and communities into their own hands. It is a story of > cooperation, vision, creation and discovery. It is a history that is > told by people in the various autonomous social movements, from the > occupied factories, neighborhood assemblies, arts and independent > media collectives, to the indigenous communities and unemployed > workers movements. (It is available free online in Spanish and English > and there are numerous copies in the Occupation library.) > > Hope to see folks tomorrow, Thursday, at 11am in the Plaza > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] I need a list of email addresses for each committee Friday, September 30, 2011 10:29:31 PM

Jackie DiSalvo Labor Support/Outreach Working Group


From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justine Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:32 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] I need a list of email addresses for each committee

Could anyone please email me a list of point people for each committee? I'm getting a lot of inquires from all sorts of people and I need to know how to properly delegate their requests. Thank you!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Labor working group action dates needed Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:26:14 PM

Will be able to send it out in about 30 min once I have internet access. Sorry for the delay guys! Also, all of the actions are listed on the GA announcement board in case anyone is in the square. -Kelley On Thursday, September 29, 2011, Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, all. I'm trying to get the dates of the labor actions that the OWS labor action group is supporting. Will someone please email me directly with the info through the end of next week? > > many thanks, > -Conor > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08:23 AM

Great job! Thanks! 2011/9/29 Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> "weird red thing" +1 :)

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:05:05 AM

"weird red thing" +1 :)

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:36 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this is awesome-- no edits from me On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I've shared Liberty Plaza
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jez bold september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:40:35 AM

NICE! been [passively] trying to figure out how to get this together for a while - this is great for now! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: Great job! Thanks! 2011/9/29 Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> "weird red thing" +1 :)

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:36 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this is awesome-- no edits from me On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I've shared Liberty Plaza
Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the site! I'm SO SLEEPY! Click to open: Liberty Plaza Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, spreadsheets and presentations.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:02:16 PM

Drew this awesome. Are there plans to put this in some sort of orientation guide? I will fwd it to folks working on the paper. Some of those organizing the teach ins and open forums wonder if they can get the steps by the Red Thing designated as a Teach-in/Open Forum area. We have had several already, with many more planned. It is difficult for people coming in the square for the 1st time to find the teach ins. One of the goals of the forums is to bring in folks who have not been to the square before, even people walking by. So having this location would be key for our growing outreach.

On Thursday, September 29, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > this is awesome-- no edits from me > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I've shared Liberty Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > >> Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: >> >> Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the site! I'm SO SLEEPY! >> >> Click to open: >> >> Liberty Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > >> >> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, spreadsheets and presentations. >> <https://docs.google.com> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:18:53 PM

Yes! That would be great! The steps would be a great space. It would also help to give some kind of spatial structure to the events. The other day, in our first forum, the beginning was a bit confusing due to that (some people didn't know if they had to sit down or not, for example).

2011/9/29 MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> Drew this awesome. Are there plans to put this in some sort of orientation guide? I will fwd it to folks working on the paper. Some of those organizing the teach ins and open forums wonder if they can get the steps by the Red Thing designated as a Teach-in/Open Forum area. We have had several already, with many more planned. It is difficult for people coming in the square for the 1st time to find the teach ins. One of the goals of the forums is to bring in folks who have not been to the square before, even people walking by. So having this location would be key for our growing outreach.

On Thursday, September 29, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > this is awesome-- no edits from me > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I've shared Liberty Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > >> Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: >> >> Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the site! I'm SO SLEEPY! >> >> Click to open: >> >> Liberty Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > >> >> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, spreadsheets and presentations. >> <https://docs.google.com> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:38:19 PM

nope. Not going to give up that easy. We need to ask them to go to back steps for a few hours so we can grow our movement. I think if we do it in a respectful organized way, it is possible. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Often claimed by drummers etc., who wont yield, too noisy; try back steps. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Vicente Rubio > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:19 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza > (september17@googlegroups.com) > > > > Yes! That would be great! The steps would be a great space. It would also > help to give some kind of spatial structure to the events. The other day, in > our first forum, the beginning was a bit confusing due to that (some people > didn't know if they had to sit down or not, for example). > > > 2011/9/29 MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> > > Drew this awesome. Are there plans to put this in some sort of orientation > guide? I will fwd it to folks working on the paper. > > > > Some of those organizing the teach ins and open forums wonder if they can > get the steps by the Red Thing designated as a Teach-in/Open Forum area. > We have had several already, with many more planned. It is difficult for > people coming in the square for the 1st time to find the teach ins. One of > the goals of the forums is to bring in folks who have not been to the square > before, even people walking by. So having this location would be key for our > growing outreach. > > > > On Thursday, September 29, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> this is awesome-- no edits from me >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> I've shared Liberty >>> Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit> >

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>>> Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: >>> >>> Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the >>> site! I'm SO SLEEPY! >>> >>> Click to open: >>> > >>> Liberty >>> Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit> > >>> >>> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, >>> spreadsheets and presentations. > >>> <https://docs.google.com> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:52:54 PM

I agree with Justin. Besides the crucial outreach aspect, I think it's also important that this movement shows that it is not a traditional protest, but something else: a space for and by people, organizing and empowering themselves, learning, sharing ideas. Yesterday evening, when I arrived to the square, there was no drums (they were probably at the march). There was a quiet but yet intense atmosphere there: small groups discussing on different things, people speaking. I believe that quietness was far more eloquent and powerful than a thousand drums. 2011/9/29 MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> nope. Not going to give up that easy. We need to ask them to go to back steps for a few hours so we can grow our movement. I think if we do it in a respectful organized way, it is possible. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Often claimed by drummers etc., who wont yield, too noisy; try back steps. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Vicente Rubio > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:19 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza > (september17@googlegroups.com) > > > > Yes! That would be great! The steps would be a great space. It would also > help to give some kind of spatial structure to the events. The other day, in > our first forum, the beginning was a bit confusing due to that (some people > didn't know if they had to sit down or not, for example). > > > 2011/9/29 MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> > > Drew this awesome. Are there plans to put this in some sort of orientation > guide? I will fwd it to folks working on the paper. > > > > Some of those organizing the teach ins and open forums wonder if they can > get the steps by the Red Thing designated as a Teach-in/Open Forum area. > We have had several already, with many more planned. It is difficult for > people coming in the square for the 1st time to find the teach ins. One of > the goals of the forums is to bring in folks who have not been to the square > before, even people walking by. So having this location would be key for our > growing outreach. > > > > On Thursday, September 29, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> this is awesome-- no edits from me >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> I've shared Liberty >>>
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Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > > >>> Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: >>> >>> Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the >>> site! I'm SO SLEEPY! >>> >>> Click to open: >>> > >>> Liberty >>> Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > > >>> >>> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, >>> spreadsheets and presentations. > >>> <https://docs.google.com> >> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:36:06 AM

this is awesome-- no edits from me On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I've shared Liberty Plaza
Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the site! I'm SO SLEEPY! Click to open: Liberty Plaza Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, spreadsheets and presentations.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com) Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:35:30 PM

Often claimed by drummers etc., who wont yield, too noisy; try back steps.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicente Rubio Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:19 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Plaza (september17@googlegroups.com)

Yes! That would be great! The steps would be a great space. It would also help to give some kind of spatial structure to the events. The other day, in our first forum, the beginning was a bit confusing due to that (some people didn't know if they had to sit down or not, for example).

2011/9/29 MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> Drew this awesome. Are there plans to put this in some sort of orientation guide? I will fwd it to folks working on the paper. Some of those organizing the teach ins and open forums wonder if they can get the steps by the Red Thing designated as a Teach-in/Open Forum area. We have had several already, with many more planned. It is difficult for people coming in the square for the 1st time to find the teach ins. One of the goals of the forums is to bring in folks who have not been to the square before, even people walking by. So having this location would be key for our growing outreach.

On Thursday, September 29, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > this is awesome-- no edits from me > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I've shared Liberty Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > >> Message from dhornbein@gmail.com: >> >> Look what I made for everyone!! You guys can edit! I'll put this on the site! I'm SO SLEEPY! >> >> Click to open: >> >> Liberty Plaza <https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1IogufPj9b50BU9ZiqW95b2XL8nRSVQvr0ZoOpuuKras/edit > >> >> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online documents, spreadsheets and presentations. >> <https://docs.google.com> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Meet at Big Red Thing @ 11 am Tomorrow for Labor Direct Action Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:08:47 PM

fabulous -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MAd Hatter Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:40 PM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] Meet at Big Red Thing @ 11 am Tomorrow for Labor Direct Action http://files.cwa-union.org/national/verizon/VZ_iphone5_app.pdf

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] National radio support for Occupy Wall Street and its open demand process! Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:09:31 AM

YES!!!! YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!! On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:29 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: > Public Radio International and WKCRW in Santa Monica broadcast on WNYC AM > radio (National Public Radio in New York City) devoted a lengthy segment on > Occupy Wall Street with > > Allison Kilkenny of CItizens Radio, > Marvin Holland of the Transportation Workers Union, > Richard Freeman of Harvard's Bureau of Economics Research, > Georgetown University history professor and co-editor of Dissent Magazine > Michael Kazin, and > Peter Goodman, Huffington Post editor > > giving a brilliant analysis of Occupy Wall Street, including the > significance of the open process and open demands -- in fact, praise for the > open demands process! > > Thier take might not represent the loftiest ideals of Occupy Wall Street -> they are mostly focused on the economy, rather than on politics -- but they > all think you guys rock! > > And for once, no criticism of the lack of demands and lack of leadership, > especially at 32 minutes: Peter Goodman, business editor of the Huffington > Post, pinpoints one of the crucial virtues of not having doctrinaire > demands. These analysts admire you, admire what you are accomplishing and > admire your novel, principled methods. > > http://www.wnyc.org/shows/point/about/ > It's the first segment -- you have to download it to listen. > > (Notice that the segment is coupled with a report on debit card fees. > Clearly the programer wants the listener to get the message: the ordinary > citizen is getting screwed coming and going by corporate finance.) > > Keep doing what you're doing -- people are listening. Your open process is > paying off. You guys are the greatest! > > > -> Rob Hollander > Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development > http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/ > 622 E 11, #10 > NYC, 10009 > 212-228-6152 > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] NY1 Caller shouts-out to OWS Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:27:48 PM

Hell yeah! On Sep 29, 2011 9:21 PM, "Antonio Serna" <antonio@muserna.org> wrote: > Watching NY1 Call in segment now... > > subject of call in: > Bank of America adding $5 month fee on debit card use. > > caller said something about being tired of banks, and mentioning that > the people occupying wall street right now are there for you, and that > it is growing with the teachers union joining... > > a positive shout-out for OWS! > > -A >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] NYPD tells daily news they can"t kick us out Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:23:43 PM

It's tricky area. The commission of the park by the private ownership is to be public space. Melissa Gira Grant is writing a piece on this (I think for Slate). On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Unless the property owners want us to get out. On Sep 29, 2011 1:57 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > NYPD officials say they can't break up the sit-in because the plaza is > private land open to the public around the clock.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] NYPD tells daily news they can"t kick us out Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:20:26 PM

Unless the property owners want us to get out. On Sep 29, 2011 1:57 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > NYPD officials say they can't break up the sit-in because the plaza is > private land open to the public around the clock.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Occupy Wall Street Labor Action Group publicity blast: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:51:04 PM

great
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conor Toms Reed Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:49 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com; justine@occupywallst.org Subject: [september17discuss] Occupy Wall Street Labor Action Group publicity blast:

on behalf of the Labor Action Group of Occupy Wall Street, -Conor Adjunct Project flyer text (no weblinks, sorry):
Step 1: Step 2:

Also attached is info for the Oct 5 student walkout and Oct 7 CUNY Conference on Defending Public Higher Education Please feel free to blast this info on OWS's site, NYCGA's site, etc., etc.

Hey, lovelies. I just whipped this info up into a quick'n'dirty flyer for labor outreach throughout next week. I'm still waiting for the OWS labor group's email contact info to put on the flyer before I print copies, which I'll then bring down to Liberty Plaza.

#OccupyWallStreet #OccupyWorkPlaces

Contact _(I need this email address!)_ to join/contribute to Occupy Wall Streets Labor Action Group 1pm, 7pm daily General Assemblies @Liberty Plaza (corner of Liberty&Bway-A/C/4/5 to Fulton St)

Friday 9.30
11am: Flash-Mob to Support Verizon Phone Workers Meet underneath Liberty Plazas Big Red Sculpture @11am sharp for secret instructions

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1PM: Protest Union-Busting at Sothebys Rally with IBT 814 union members @Sothebys HQ: 1334 York Ave. (b/t 71 & 72 st) 4PM: Mass Peoples Rally/March against NYPD Brutality (PSC-CUNY union

solidarity call)
Rally @Liberty Plaza, March to One Police Plaza for 5:30pm Demonstration

Monday 10.3
6PM: Next OWS Labor Action Group mtg @Liberty Plaza (corner of Cedar &

Trinity)

Tuesday 10.4
4PM: NYC Says NO to Bloomberg Laying Off 700 School Workers! Rally with DC37 union @City Hall Park, wear green in support

Wednesday 10.5
12PM: Student Walk-Outs across New York State against Tuition Hikes & Budget

Cuts
4:30PM: Beyond May 12 Rally w. Students/Labor/Public @City Hall, March to

Liberty Plaza

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question for Arts and Culture Friday, September 30, 2011 11:24:54 AM

Drums would be fine just no amplified sound On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:55 PM, <guindave@aol.com> wrote: My band is considering coming down to the squire tomorrow with Are amps and trying to borrow drums from a friend (with the knowledge these things may get confiscated) and playing at liberty park maybe just a couple songs. What do you think of this would this be a big problem for the movement because of the sound permit issue ? we could not do it if so. It also be nice to have some people to help us move our amps there. - Dave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxL0cxuua8 here is a video of us

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of diane sare september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Bad news argh Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:38:38 AM

A few thoughts: 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain that it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people. 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so massive, they can hardly be exaggerated 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and more of them will be with us. (I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made cowards of us all.") On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments...

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of studentterps@yahoo.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:36:22 AM

I agree that the "demand" framing is unnecessary. But there still needs to be an answer to "why are you here?" "If you want to work on building a better society, why not go off together someplace quiet and work it out; why clog up the financial district?" Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:24:42 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government. The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%. This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th:https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/ On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is. We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice. Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:20:10 AM

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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?

First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution. Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government. The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%. This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/ On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is. We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice. Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:02:06 AM

I like "Human Need not Corporate Greed", but it really is more of a slogan or overarching philosophy than demand. --glj On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to DC. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

I like all the demands thus far, and I defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right?
I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually exclusive. This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I always thought that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the strategy. Just my $.02 Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupywall-street

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:08:32 AM

it is overreaching so everyone's demands can come to the table---- it democratizes the demand even beyond the GA and NYC and all the occupycities-- it opens up the conversation to a much larger idea so a million demands can spring. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: I like "Human Need not Corporate Greed", but it really is more of a slogan or overarching philosophy than demand. --glj On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to DC. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

I like all the demands thus far, and I defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right?
I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually exclusive. This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I always thought that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the strategy. Just my $.02 Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupywall-street On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11:49 AM

First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution. Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government. The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%. This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/ On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is. We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice. Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11:06 AM

Exactly. We need slogans, but we also need specific demands. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: I like "Human Need not Corporate Greed", but it really is more of a slogan or overarching philosophy than demand. --glj On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to DC. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

I like all the demands thus far, and I defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right?
I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually exclusive. This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I always thought that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the strategy. Just my $.02 Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com>
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

wrote: did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupywall-street On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:54:01 AM

Even the failure of accomplishing a specific demand that would have benefited pretty much all of the 99% would be a victory, if you add in time. Because a lot of people don't really know what they want until they see someone trying to get it. That 900 shared that MJ article is a sign from the left: "Pick something!"

Re: demands and revolutions: you're right, as far as I know. The demand must be specific enough to force the other side to show their hand. One demand, any strong, specific demand, like forgiving student debt or ending foreclosures, is what the establishment fears the most. Because even if 2% of the population took it on as their own, it would be enough to start a snowball rolling down a hill of more and more empowered, awakened people. The world's Superpower is different than Egypt or Syria. We have a lot to fix! It's a very big boat and its huge turning radius demands our own set of tactics if we're going to turn it around. That big wheel must be gripped tight and pulled, eyes locked with the Captain, until more and more rush to start pulling, and even if it only turns a tick, it is a victory of The People. We haven't had one of those in a while. Otherwise, we're just shouting about how it needs to be turned. Keep the list of demands you've worked so hard for, shout them from the rooftops and lay the foundation for the huge uprising that will come if we assert our power now by picking a demand and not letting go. I wonder if occupiers could see the one demand as a act of humility and solidarity. Maybe put out a runoff ballot, and vow to honor the demand that comes out of it. Shared sacrifice and democracy. I don't know anyone who could bash that.

Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: +

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen


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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?

First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution. Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government.

The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%.

This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is.

We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of L. W. Wind september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:07:18 AM

So many of you have said so much i have in my heart. Ashley, i really like your idea On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

Even the failure of accomplishing a specific demand that would have benefited pretty much all of the 99% would be a victory, if you add in time. Because a lot of people don't really know what they want until they see someone trying to get it. That 900 shared that MJ article is a sign from the left: "Pick something!"

Re: demands and revolutions: you're right, as far as I know. The demand must be specific enough to force the other side to show their hand. One demand, any strong, specific demand, like forgiving student debt or ending foreclosures, is what the establishment fears the most. Because even if 2% of the population took it on as their own, it would be enough to start a snowball rolling down a hill of more and more empowered, awakened people. The world's Superpower is different than Egypt or Syria. We have a lot to fix! It's a very big boat and its huge turning radius demands our own set of tactics if we're going to turn it around. That big wheel must be gripped tight and pulled, eyes locked with the Captain, until more and more rush to start pulling, and even if it only turns a tick, it is a victory of The People. We haven't had one of those in a while. Otherwise, we're just shouting about how it needs to be turned. Keep the list of demands you've worked so hard for, shout them from the rooftops and lay the foundation for the huge uprising that will come if we assert our power now by picking a demand and not letting go. I wonder if occupiers could see the one demand as a act of humility and solidarity. Maybe put out a runoff ballot, and vow to honor the demand that comes out of it. Shared sacrifice and democracy. I don't know anyone who could bash that.

Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?

First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution. Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government.

The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%.

This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote:

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is.

We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice.

Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

--Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:22:30 AM

Always good analysis of the economy on this blog, Decline of the Empire, especially today: http://www.declineoftheempire.com/ Talks about the minimum wage being outrageously low, for example. If you're looking for demands. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:06 AM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: So many of you have said so much i have in my heart. Ashley, i really like your idea On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

Even the failure of accomplishing a specific demand that would have benefited pretty much all of the 99% would be a victory, if you add in time. Because a lot of people don't really know what they want until they see someone trying to get it. That 900 shared that MJ article is a sign from the left: "Pick something!"

Re: demands and revolutions: you're right, as far as I know. The demand must be specific enough to force the other side to show their hand. One demand, any strong, specific demand, like forgiving student debt or ending foreclosures, is what the establishment fears the most. Because even if 2% of the population took it on as their own, it would be enough to start a snowball rolling down a hill of more and more empowered, awakened people. The world's Superpower is different than Egypt or Syria. We have a lot to fix! It's a very big boat and its huge turning radius demands our own set of tactics if we're going to turn it around. That big wheel must be gripped tight and pulled, eyes locked with the Captain, until more and more rush to start pulling, and even if it only turns a tick, it is a victory of The People. We haven't had one of those in a while. Otherwise, we're just shouting about how it needs to be turned. Keep the list of demands you've worked so hard for, shout them from the rooftops and lay the foundation for the huge uprising that will come if we assert our power now by picking a demand and not letting go. I wonder if occupiers could see the one demand as a act of humility and solidarity. Maybe put out a runoff ballot, and vow to honor the demand that comes out of it. Shared sacrifice and democracy. I don't know anyone who could bash that.

Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: +

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?

First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution. Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government.

The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is.

We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice.

Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

--Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:22:56 AM

+1 Ashley On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:06 AM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: So many of you have said so much i have in my heart. Ashley, i really like your idea On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

Even the failure of accomplishing a specific demand that would have benefited pretty much all of the 99% would be a victory, if you add in time. Because a lot of people don't really know what they want until they see someone trying to get it. That 900 shared that MJ article is a sign from the left: "Pick something!"

Re: demands and revolutions: you're right, as far as I know. The demand must be specific enough to force the other side to show their hand. One demand, any strong, specific demand, like forgiving student debt or ending foreclosures, is what the establishment fears the most. Because even if 2% of the population took it on as their own, it would be enough to start a snowball rolling down a hill of more and more empowered, awakened people. The world's Superpower is different than Egypt or Syria. We have a lot to fix! It's a very big boat and its huge turning radius demands our own set of tactics if we're going to turn it around. That big wheel must be gripped tight and pulled, eyes locked with the Captain, until more and more rush to start pulling, and even if it only turns a tick, it is a victory of The People. We haven't had one of those in a while. Otherwise, we're just shouting about how it needs to be turned. Keep the list of demands you've worked so hard for, shout them from the rooftops and lay the foundation for the huge uprising that will come if we assert our power now by picking a demand and not letting go. I wonder if occupiers could see the one demand as a act of humility and solidarity. Maybe put out a runoff ballot, and vow to honor the demand that comes out of it. Shared sacrifice and democracy. I don't know anyone who could bash that.

Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: +

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand?

First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a revolution. Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government.

The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%.

This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is.

We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice.

Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

--Ms. Wind

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:37:15 AM

A community is not sustainable if it's not growing its own food. We really are completely dependent upon one another to survive. We need the rest of the world, or at least a hefty majority, to get on board with a movement away from corporate control - a peaceful revolution - or we'll starve. To get a majority on board I think it's pretty clear from the response, even from the traditional left, which is puzzlement, that some sort of platform must be agreed upon and put forth in order for OWS to be taken seriously and have any impact on the way this country is governed in the future. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is. We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice. Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sean Captain september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:44:03 AM

Sent from my LG phone Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >+ > > > > _____ > >From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Doug Singsen >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:11 AM >To: september17@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? > > > >First, no revolution in history has ever taken place that didn't have >demands. This opposition between demands and revolution has got to stop. The >two go hand in hand. Second, there are tons of demands we can raise that >would help the working class and the poor, beginning with taxing Wall Street >to pay for social services. Third, let's be realistic about the prospects >for revolution. I support the overthrow of capitalism, but we are nowhere >near a revolution in the US right now, and demanding a revolution now is a >quick way to isolate ourselves from the huge numbers of people who support >reducing corporate power and taxing Wall Street but aren't ready for a >revolution. > >Doug > >On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: > >Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait >for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise >up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we >should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial >reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt >government. > > > >The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind >went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we >should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming >general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% >organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%. > > > >This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: >https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/
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> > > > > >On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > >Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is. > > > >We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, >shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that >hears every voice. > > > >Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, >free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world >what is possible even inside the heart of darkness. > > > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:23:54 AM

+1 studentterps On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate control.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:01:45 AM

Serving both sides of the discussion, our focus right now should be in improving our process of collective thought. It will empower both the ability of transforming human relations within the movement and it is required for the elaboration of specific strategies, goals and visions. Cesar On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate control.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com september17@googlegroups.com Lauren Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:22:25 AM

Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:27:56 AM

did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wallstreet On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:30:24 AM

Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wallstreet On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:43:30 AM

I like all the demands thus far, and I defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right?
I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually exclusive. This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I always thought that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the strategy. Just my $.02 Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wallstreet On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is
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> > > > >

and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate control.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:49:53 AM

I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to DC. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote: I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I like all the demands thus far, and I defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right?
I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually exclusive. This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I always thought that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the strategy. Just my $.02 Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: did you not see this article: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupywall-street On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate control.

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:24:48 AM

Agreed Drew. The "one demand" thing is such a red herring and I can't wait for this discussion to finally go away. Our job is to help the people rise up, not to have a privileged white middle class discussion about how we should ask the government should "fix" itself through abstract financial reform. I want a revolution, not another broken promise from a corrupt government. The only demand I've heard so far at the GA that I felt I could get behind went something like this: Rather than demanding something from the 1%, we should make a demand of the 99%. We demand that the 99% start forming general assemblies in their own communities. We demand that the 99% organize to take back the world stolen from them by the 1%. This demand is also similar to what we published on the 17th: https://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/ On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Lets forget about the demand and promote what this movement already is. We are building the community we WANT in this world. One that feeds, shelters (if we could...), and cares for all it's members. A community that hears every voice. Lets focus on making our community exactly what we want, sustainable, open, free, and full of love. What better demand is there than showing the world what is possible even inside the heart of darkness.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:58:00 AM

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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of grimwomyn

I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to DC.

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion Friday, September 30, 2011 10:54:51 AM

I am! Want to meet at 5 pm today? On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: > silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the > guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of > nyc? when do you meet? who is point person i can contact? thanks in > advance! matt > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: >> Back to the drawing board. >> I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence, >> vision statement...?) and process (subgroups, online,paper boards...) >> inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion >> should continue in parallel. >> I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA. >> We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex >> pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that. >> Cesar >> >> Sent from phone >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What causes unify us? What are actual things we all can agree are >> important? Things that we can do now. These demands will be our first >> steps. Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING) of these things cause problems >> for anyone? What else can we agree on that are like these? >> FIRST STEPS: >> >> Get the influence of money out of politics >> End military aggression abroad >> Bring financial predators to justice >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ <cunderscoreg@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a >>> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other >>> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for >>> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages, >>> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two, >>> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly >>> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably >>> have a great deal of popular support. >>> >>> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >>>> +1 >>>> >>>>

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>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>

On 09/26/11,Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com>wrote:All, I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible.

Amin

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion Friday, September 30, 2011 12:16:06 PM

I'd like to join this group as well. The anti-police brutality demo is today at 5:30, we should meet at a time that won't overlap with it. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: I am! Want to meet at 5 pm today? On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: > silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the > guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of > nyc? when do you meet? who is point person i can contact? thanks in > advance! matt > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: >> Back to the drawing board. >> I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence, >> vision statement...?) and process (subgroups, online,paper boards...) >> inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion >> should continue in parallel. >> I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA. >> We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex >> pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that. >> Cesar >> >> Sent from phone >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What causes unify us? What are actual things we all can agree are >> important? Things that we can do now. These demands will be our first >> steps. Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING) of these things cause problems >> for anyone? What else can we agree on that are like these? >> FIRST STEPS: >> >> Get the influence of money out of politics >> End military aggression abroad >> Bring financial predators to justice >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ <cunderscoreg@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a >>> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other >>> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for
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>>> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages, >>> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two, >>> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly >>> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably >>> have a great deal of popular support. >>> >>> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/26/11,Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com>wrote:All, >>>> >>>> I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty >>>> Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with >>>> all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that >>>> process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the >>>> Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment >>>> on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a >>>> consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of >>>> the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If >>>> so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult >>>> GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned >>>> we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest >>>> of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have >>>> proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves >>>> with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment >>>> and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions >>>> as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, >>>> from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the >>>> body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great >>>> damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will >>>> not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and >>>> we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get >>>> frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as >>>> soon as possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Amin >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion Friday, September 30, 2011 9:18:03 AM

silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of nyc? when do you meet? who is point person i can contact? thanks in advance! matt On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > Back to the drawing board. > I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence, > vision statement...?) and process (subgroups, online,paper boards...) > inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion > should continue in parallel. > I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA. > We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex > pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that. > Cesar > > Sent from phone > > > On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: > > What causes unify us? What are actual things we all can agree are > important? Things that we can do now. These demands will be our first > steps. Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING) of these things cause problems > for anyone? What else can we agree on that are like these? > FIRST STEPS: > > Get the influence of money out of politics > End military aggression abroad > Bring financial predators to justice > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ <cunderscoreg@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a >> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other >> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for >> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages, >> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two, >> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly >> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably >> have a great deal of popular support. >> >> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> > +1 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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On 09/26/11,Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com>wrote:All, I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible.

Amin

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Governor Paterson visit soon Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:15:21 PM

+10000001 Conor no soapboxes On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:49 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: And yes be ready w tough questions

On Thursday, September 29, 2011, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Nope, I'll bring him thru to meet peeps and maybe talk. There may be a diversity of opinions re him > > On Thursday, September 29, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> Ga is going should I let them know? I'm on site >> >> On Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> After being on former govs radio show yesterday, he wants to come by this >>> afternoon. >>> >>> I'm coordinating his visit to camp in about 30 mins. Is general assembly >>> already going? >>

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: I need a list of email addresses for each committee Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:16:06 PM

Could they collaborate with the people running 9.17occupywallstreet@gmail.com? It'd be best if we could have general@occupywallst.org continue forwarding to a gmail box that organizers in the square are willing to share and help out with. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: The Information Front Desk do not consider themselves a committee but want their info to be posted on webpage as well. - owsinform ation@goog legroups.c om - meeting times: Tuesdays and Fridays at 6pm. On Sep 30, 3:32 pm, Justine <just...@occupywallst.org> wrote: > Could anyone please email me a list of point people for each committee? I'm > getting a lot of inquires from all sorts of people and I need to know how to > properly delegate their requests. > > Thank you!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Re: I need a list of email addresses for each committee Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:21:59 PM

Will the contact person receive the information on contact persons for all working groups?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justine Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:19 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: I need a list of email addresses for each committee

Oh wait it seems this is a google group. Would someone mind getting in touch with the 9.17occupywallstreet@gmail.com people? I'm not in the square right now but I would like it if you guys could all get
on board with the same google group for answering information for the general public.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: The Information Front Desk do not consider themselves a committee but want their info to be posted on webpage as well. - owsinform ation@goog legroups.c om - meeting times: Tuesdays and Fridays at 6pm. On Sep 30, 3:32 pm, Justine <just...@occupywallst.org> wrote: > Could anyone please email me a list of point people for each committee? I'm > getting a lot of inquires from all sorts of people and I need to know how to > properly delegate their requests. > > Thank you!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Labor working group action dates needed Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:24:13 PM

I know that we have a GoogleGroup and that is about it. I am waiting to be added so I can add the contacts from last night in the meanwhile. Here is the list of Proposed Actions and Future Agenda Points. Proposed Actions Thurs. 9/29 140 West 12pm (gather here at 11am by red sculpture) Friday 9/30 11am Red Sculpture Friday 9/30 5:30 Rally against NYPD Brutality 1 Police Plaza Tues. 10/4 - 4-6 pmDC 37 march City Hall - flyer rally Wed. 10/5th - 4:30 Walkout support meeting @ city hall @ then marching to liberty square students and labor solidarity. Next Meeting Monday 10/3 6pm next meeting meet at the corner of Cedar and Trinity Future Agenda Item: -Labor Points of Unity 2011/9/29 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Does the labor working group have email contact info? -C 2011/9/29 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hey, all. I'm trying to get the dates of the labor actions that the OWS labor action group is supporting. Will someone please email me directly with the info through the end of next week? many thanks, -Conor

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 12:28:30 AM

Thanks Lorenzo! Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to have amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. Best, Vicente. 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when it is accepted. Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so that info would be helpful. Hope everyone's dancing, Lorenzo Serna (701)330-2861

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. Is the legal committee looking into this? Lauren* On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. > > He will report back soon on what happened. > > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep copies
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? > > > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please take in the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we can later apply pressure

> > Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab > ~- Hide quoted text -

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lorenzo Serna september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 12:42:10 AM

Vicente, I can just put another one in. I picked those times, because I was under the impression it was specifically for the GA. If that's not true I need a little more information. Also: I was advised to ask for specific manageable blocs of time which make it more likely to be accepted. Alright I'll put another one in tomorrow, Lorenzo On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Lorenzo! Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to have amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. Best, Vicente. 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when it is accepted. Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so that info would be helpful. Hope everyone's dancing, Lorenzo Serna (701)330-2861

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. Is the legal committee looking into this? Lauren* On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. > > He will report back soon on what happened. > > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep copies > of everything. > >j > > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. > > > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? > > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please take in > > the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we > > can later apply pressure > > > > Justin Wedes > > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! > > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> > > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >>>~ > > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at > > USUncut.org/yeslab > > > ~- Hide quoted text > > - Show quoted text -

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 12:50:59 AM

I'm really sorry. We've been organizing the Open Forum and didn't know about the details of the sound permit (time blocs, etc) . I thought it was a general sound permit. Please let me know if I can help with anything. 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> Vicente, I can just put another one in. I picked those times, because I was under the impression it was specifically for the GA. If that's not true I need a little more information. Also: I was advised to ask for specific manageable blocs of time which make it more likely to be accepted. Alright I'll put another one in tomorrow, Lorenzo On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Lorenzo! Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to have amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. Best, Vicente. 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when it is accepted. Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also 710pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so that info would be helpful.

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Hope everyone's dancing, Lorenzo Serna (701)330-2861

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. Is the legal committee looking into this? Lauren* On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. > > He will report back soon on what happened. > > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep copies > of everything. > >j > > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. > > > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? > > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please take in > > the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we > > can later apply pressure > > > > Justin Wedes > > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! > > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> > > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >>>~ > > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at > > USUncut.org/yeslab > > > ~- Hide quoted text >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 10:17:41 AM

Hi all, Legal is on this. None of our lawyers are confident we can get a sound permit since it is not officially a public park - and we can only do so in public parks. They have all said they think it will be rejected (I am talking about National Lawyers Guild lawyers and the NYCLU lawyers.) When we apply, we are asking the city and the police for permission - it is also political. A political, rather than legal question, would be to ask Brookfield. Not that I am suggesting this, but think it would be a more direct avenue. Marina On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm really sorry. We've been organizing the Open Forum and didn't know about > the details of the sound permit (time blocs, etc) . I thought it was a > general sound permit. Please let me know if I can help with anything. > > 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >> >> Vicente, >> >> I can just put another one in. I picked those times, because I was under >> the impression it was specifically for the GA. If that's not true I need a >> little more information. >> >> Also: I was advised to ask for specific manageable blocs of time which >> make it more likely to be accepted. >> >> Alright I'll put another one in tomorrow, >> >> Lorenzo >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Lorenzo! >>> >>> Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to >>> 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to have >>> amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. >>> >>> Best, >>> Vicente. >>> >>> 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September >>>> 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at

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>>>> 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). >>>> >>>> I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard >>>> nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to >>>> follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It >>>> doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when >>>> it is accepted. >>>> >>>> >>>> Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. >>>> I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also >>>> 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so >>>> that info would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Hope everyone's dancing, >>>> >>>> Lorenzo Serna >>>> (701)330-2861 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if >>>>> they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use >>>>> loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. >>>>> Is the legal committee looking into this? >>>>> Lauren* >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. >>>>> > >>>>> > He will report back soon on what happened. >>>>> > >>>>> > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep >>>>> > copies >>>>> > of everything. >>>>> > >>>>> > j >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > > > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please >>>>> > > > take in >>>>> > > the application, this is critically important, to start this >>>>> > > process so we >>>>> > > can later apply pressure >>>>> > >>>>> > > > Justin Wedes >>>>> > > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >>>>> > >>>>> > > > Use your voice!

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 2:35:00 PM

radiohead is playing a concert here at 4. theres a conversation about using the system anyway, to push the issue a bit. will police arrest a worldfamous band? On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, Legal is on this. None of our lawyers are confident we can get a sound permit since it is not officially a public park - and we can only do so in public parks. They have all said they think it will be rejected (I am talking about National Lawyers Guild lawyers and the NYCLU lawyers.) When we apply, we are asking the city and the police for permission - it is also political. A political, rather than legal question, would be to ask Brookfield. Not that I am suggesting this, but think it would be a more direct avenue. Marina On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm really sorry. We've been organizing the Open Forum and didn't know about > the details of the sound permit (time blocs, etc) . I thought it was a > general sound permit. Please let me know if I can help with anything. > > 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >> >> Vicente, >> >> I can just put another one in. I picked those times, because I was under >> the impression it was specifically for the GA. If that's not true I need a >> little more information. >> >> Also: I was advised to ask for specific manageable blocs of time which >> make it more likely to be accepted. >> >> Alright I'll put another one in tomorrow, >> >> Lorenzo >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Lorenzo! >>> >>> Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to >>> 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to
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have >>> amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. >>> >>> Best, >>> Vicente. >>> >>> 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September >>>> 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at >>>> 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). >>>> >>>> I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard >>>> nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to >>>> follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It >>>> doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when >>>> it is accepted. >>>> >>>> >>>> Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. >>>> I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also >>>> 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so >>>> that info would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Hope everyone's dancing, >>>> >>>> Lorenzo Serna >>>> (701)330-2861 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if >>>>> they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use >>>>> loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. >>>>> Is the legal committee looking into this? >>>>> Lauren* >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. >>>>> > >>>>> > He will report back soon on what happened. >>>>> > >>>>> > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep >>>>> > copies >>>>> > of everything. >>>>> >
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? > > > > > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please > take in the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we can later apply pressure

> > Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab > ~- Hide quoted text -

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 2:37:17 PM

Not a problem anymore. :( On Sep 30, 2011 2:34 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > radiohead is playing a concert here at 4. theres a conversation about using > the system anyway, to push the issue a bit. > > will police arrest a worldfamous band? > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Legal is on this. None of our lawyers are confident we can get a sound >> permit since it is not officially a public park - and we can only do >> so in public parks. They have all said they think it will be rejected >> (I am talking about National Lawyers Guild lawyers and the NYCLU >> lawyers.) When we apply, we are asking the city and the police for >> permission - it is also political. >> >> A political, rather than legal question, would be to ask Brookfield. >> Not that I am suggesting this, but think it would be a more direct >> avenue. >> >> Marina >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I'm really sorry. We've been organizing the Open Forum and didn't know >> about >> > the details of the sound permit (time blocs, etc) . I thought it was a >> > general sound permit. Please let me know if I can help with anything. >> > >> > 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> Vicente, >> >> >> >> I can just put another one in. I picked those times, because I was under >> >> the impression it was specifically for the GA. If that's not true I need >> a >> >> little more information. >> >> >> >> Also: I was advised to ask for specific manageable blocs of time which >> >> make it more likely to be accepted. >> >> >> >> Alright I'll put another one in tomorrow, >> >> >> >> Lorenzo
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>> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Thanks Lorenzo! >> >>> >> >>> Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to >> >>> 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to >> have >> >>> amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. >> >>> >> >>> Best, >> >>> Vicente. >> >>> >> >>> 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello Everyone, >> >>>> >> >>>> I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September >> >>>> 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is >> located at >> >>>> 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). >> >>>> >> >>>> I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard >> >>>> nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning >> to >> >>>> follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. >> It >> >>>> doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged >> when >> >>>> it is accepted. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 >> days. >> >>>> I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and >> also >> >>>> 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound >> permit, so >> >>>> that info would be helpful. >> >>>> >> >>>> Hope everyone's dancing, >> >>>> >> >>>> Lorenzo Serna >> >>>> (701)330-2861 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if
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>> >>>>> they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use >> >>>>> loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. >> >>>>> Is the legal committee looking into this? >> >>>>> Lauren* >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > He will report back soon on what happened. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep >> >>>>> > copies >> >>>>> > of everything. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > j >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> > wrote: >> >>>>> > > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> > > > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone >> please >> >>>>> > > > take in >> >>>>> > > the application, this is critically important, to start this >> >>>>> > > process so we >> >>>>> > > can later apply pressure >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > > Justin Wedes >> >>>>> > > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > > Use your voice! >> >>>>> > > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> >> >>>>> > > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > > ~ >> >>>>> > > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> >>>>> > > USUncut.org/yeslab >> >>>>> > > > ~- Hide quoted text >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > - Show quoted text >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >>
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 2:52:29 PM

Thought it was a rumor? http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/09/30/occupy_wall_street_teachers_transportation_unions_set_to_join_wa.html On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: radiohead is playing a concert here at 4. theres a conversation about using the system anyway, to push the issue a bit. will police arrest a worldfamous band? On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, Legal is on this. None of our lawyers are confident we can get a sound permit since it is not officially a public park - and we can only do so in public parks. They have all said they think it will be rejected (I am talking about National Lawyers Guild lawyers and the NYCLU lawyers.) When we apply, we are asking the city and the police for permission - it is also political. A political, rather than legal question, would be to ask Brookfield. Not that I am suggesting this, but think it would be a more direct avenue. Marina On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm really sorry. We've been organizing the Open Forum and didn't know about > the details of the sound permit (time blocs, etc) . I thought it was a > general sound permit. Please let me know if I can help with anything. > > 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >> >> Vicente, >> >> I can just put another one in. I picked those times, because I was under >> the impression it was specifically for the GA. If that's not true I need a >> little more information. >> >> Also: I was advised to ask for specific manageable blocs of time which >> make it more likely to be accepted. >> >> Alright I'll put another one in tomorrow, >> >> Lorenzo >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Lorenzo! >>> >>> Just one thing: would it be possible to extend the sound permit to >>> 6-10pm. We are planning events from 6 to 7pm, and it would be great to have >>> amplification. Let me know if it can be added, or what can we do. >>> >>> Best, >>> Vicente. >>> >>> 2011/9/30 Lorenzo Serna <lorenzo.serna@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September >>>> 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at

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>>>> 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). >>>> >>>> I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard >>>> nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to >>>> follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It >>>> doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when >>>> it is accepted. >>>> >>>> >>>> Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. >>>> I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also >>>> 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so >>>> that info would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Hope everyone's dancing, >>>> >>>> Lorenzo Serna >>>> (701)330-2861 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if >>>>> they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use >>>>> loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. >>>>> Is the legal committee looking into this? >>>>> Lauren* >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. >>>>> > >>>>> > He will report back soon on what happened. >>>>> > >>>>> > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep >>>>> > copies >>>>> > of everything. >>>>> > >>>>> > j >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > > > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please >>>>> > > > take in >>>>> > > the application, this is critically important, to start this >>>>> > > process so we >>>>> > > can later apply pressure >>>>> > >>>>> > > > Justin Wedes >>>>> > > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >>>>> > >>>>> > > > Use your voice! >>>>> > > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> >>>>> > > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >>>>> > >>>>> > > > ~ >>>>> > > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >>>>> > > USUncut.org/yeslab >>>>> > > > ~- Hide quoted text >>>>> > >>>>> > - Show quoted text >>> >>
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lorenzo Serna september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Friday, September 30, 2011 12:18:59 AM

Hello Everyone, I went ahead and put a Sound Permit Request in two days ago September 28th. I have yet to hear anything back from the Precinct which is located at 65 Broadway(two blocks from the encampment). I've yet to seriously follow up on the permit request and have heard nothing back from them. I'll try to walk over there tomorrow morning to follow up and also to put in another request for another sound permit. It doesn't cost any money to request a sound permit, you're only charged when it is accepted. Final notes: I requested the permit for the max allowed time of 5 days. I also asked for two specific windows of time which were 1-3:30 pm and also 7-10pm. I'm still a little unsure why we're requesting the sound permit, so that info would be helpful. Hope everyone's dancing, Lorenzo Serna (701)330-2861

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: Taping this is a great idea! We should definitely expose the video if they do not allow us. It is so ridiculous that we cannot use loudspeakers to organize our assemblies. Is the legal committee looking into this? Lauren* On Sep 27, 4:51 pm, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lorenzo went to do this this AM. > > He will report back soon on what happened. > > I told him to videotape as much of the process as possible and keep copies > of everything. > >j > > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Lauren <laurendapfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. > > > Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? > > > On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please take in > the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we > can later apply pressure > > Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab > ~- Hide quoted text -

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:56:30 PM

Really amazing! I'm very excited for this project. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: I had the tab open in the background for a while, and when I opened it it was at $241 with 9 days left. Not knowing how long it had been going on for, I thought "oh, that would be a nice idea, but it probably won't happen". I refresh the page, we're almost halfway there. Goshdarn awesome. --glj On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:33 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: If those who tweet and post to the website can help publicize this project, it would be much appreciated. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Introducing... The Occupy Wall Street Journal! > In order to grow the numbers in New York, we are developing a > newspaper that explains the movement and encourages folks to join. We > simply can not allow the main stream media to define us. We are in a > very special moment now, and we plan to bring tens of thousands into > streets in the coming weeks. Please donate to this important outreach > project now so we can hand out 50,000 copies this weekend! > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-street-media >

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From: To: Cc: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com micahmwhite@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:17:56 PM

and please deliver to occupymedia@gmail.com gracias! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hey all so we are looking for a graphic designer to come up with the mock up of the Wall Street Journal header for the paper. It needs to be 17" wide, with a version for the online component. The first and best version that we get will run.... thank you all for yr efforts ahead of time! We are very excited about this and think that it is going to be terrific, we have a lot of great articles and artwork and the kickstarter campaign is almost fully funded.... deadline: ASAP! Thanks again, y mucho amor you hard working people you-grim

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From: To: Cc: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com micahmwhite@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:17:25 PM

Hey all so we are looking for a graphic designer to come up with the mock up of the Wall Street Journal header for the paper. It needs to be 17" wide, with a version for the online component. The first and best version that we get will run.... thank you all for yr efforts ahead of time! We are very excited about this and think that it is going to be terrific, we have a lot of great articles and artwork and the kickstarter campaign is almost fully funded.... deadline: ASAP! Thanks again, y mucho amor you hard working people you-grim

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From: To: Subject: Date: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:27:31 PM

just sent you guys a little money...thanks for all you are doing! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: and please deliver to occupymedia@gmail.com gracias! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hey all so we are looking for a graphic designer to come up with the mock up of the Wall Street Journal header for the paper. It needs to be 17" wide, with a version for the online component. The first and best version that we get will run.... thank you all for yr efforts ahead of time! We are very excited about this and think that it is going to be terrific, we have a lot of great articles and artwork and the kickstarter campaign is almost fully funded.... deadline: ASAP! Thanks again, y mucho amor you hard working people you-grim

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:54:09 PM

I had the tab open in the background for a while, and when I opened it it was at $241 with 9 days left. Not knowing how long it had been going on for, I thought "oh, that would be a nice idea, but it probably won't happen". I refresh the page, we're almost halfway there. Goshdarn awesome. --glj On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:33 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: If those who tweet and post to the website can help publicize this project, it would be much appreciated. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > Introducing... The Occupy Wall Street Journal! > In order to grow the numbers in New York, we are developing a > newspaper that explains the movement and encourages folks to join. We > simply can not allow the main stream media to define us. We are in a > very special moment now, and we plan to bring tens of thousands into > streets in the coming weeks. Please donate to this important outreach > project now so we can hand out 50,000 copies this weekend! > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-street-media >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Update from Tue: March on Saturday to Brooklyn, outreaching/ canvassing to Brooklyn Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:16:36 AM

thanks doug for bringing this up On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > Can we wait to 4 or 4:30 to actually start the march so that people from the > Slutwalk and anti-nuclear power demos can join us? They don't end until 3:30 > and there will be hundreds of people coming from those demos who want to > join us. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> thanks!!! >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:33 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> That will be added.. >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > there is nothing on it that says there is a march to brooklyn... are we >>> > marching to brooklyn? >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM, MAd Hatter >>> > <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Folks, here are some flyers for Saturday.... Print, handout, Bring >>> >> extra to the plaza. we need thousands! >>> >> >>> >> http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1 <http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1> >>> > >>> > > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Update from Tue: March on Saturday to Brooklyn, outreaching/ canvassing to Brooklyn Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:03:40 AM

Can we wait to 4 or 4:30 to actually start the march so that people from the Slutwalk and anti-nuclear power demos can join us? They don't end until 3:30 and there will be hundreds of people coming from those demos who want to join us. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: thanks!!! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:33 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: That will be added.. On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: > there is nothing on it that says there is a march to brooklyn... are we marching to brooklyn? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Folks, here are some flyers for Saturday.... Print, handout, Bring >> extra to the plaza. we need thousands! >> >> http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1 <http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1> > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Strom september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:17:53 AM

I don't think Karen will be able to make it any earlier. She's doing O4O/movement work right up until she'll get her. But it's okay. the plaza's big, and we have lots of people. =) Here's a blurb that could be used.
Organizing for Occupation (O4O) is an NYC-based grassroots organization working to actualize the human right to housing through direct action. At 6pm on Thursday, 9/29, members of O4O will visit Liberty Plaza to discuss the struggle for home as an integral part of the greater movement to build alternatives to a system based in greed and scarcity. O4O members will share their experiences fighting foreclosure and/or homelessness. The discussion will briefly outline the housing crisis, highlight O4O's work, and open a dialogue on strategies to unite and empower our movements. Great. See you later today! Michael

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] SOMEBODY PRINT!!! Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official] Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:11:57 AM

Great, but we also need it on the information booth to trigger all kinds of conversations, critiques and thoughts at the plaza. Whoever takes over this task please let us know when accomplished. Cesar On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: and my brain is pretty dumb from lack of sleep right now but I think we got it into the #occupywallstreetjournal On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > Absolutely! > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I am not sure if somebody addressed the request of Drew about printing >> the Declaration of The Occupation. We should have one or two thousand >> copies at the information desk for this weekend and more for Wednesday >> March. >> Cesar >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ >>> >>> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780 >>> print for saturday > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09:44 AM

I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:59:00 AM

I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think it's a good idea. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:35:13 AM

yup! do it! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think it's a good idea. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:56:20 AM

I have registered occupywallstreetjournal.com and occupywallstreetjournal.org, as well as occupywallstreetjournal@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yup! do it! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think it's a good idea. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:58:53 PM

I can create a owj.nycga.net sub domain, host it on our server and we can point those domains there. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I have registered occupywallstreetjournal.com and occupywallstreetjournal.org, as well as occupywallstreetjournal@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yup! do it! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think it's a good idea. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alex Tronolone september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:38:13 PM

i have a laptop with indesign on it. -a On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I can create a owj.nycga.net sub domain, host it on our server and we can point those domains there. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I have registered occupywallstreetjournal.com and occupywallstreetjournal.org, as well as occupywallstreetjournal@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yup! do it! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think it's a good idea. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:41:18 PM

Awesome on all we are taking portraits in the park then we will be working in the office when I get a better idea of what we need later today I will reachout thanks! On Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM, "Alex Tronolone" <a.tronolone@gmail.com> wrote: > i have a laptop with indesign on it. > -a > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I can create a owj.nycga.net sub domain, host it on our server and we can >> point those domains there. >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I have registered occupywallstreetjournal.com and >>> occupywallstreetjournal.org, as well as occupywallstreetjournal@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> yup! do it! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think >>>>> it's a good idea. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, >>>>>> but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> JAM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use >>>>>>> it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I >>>>>>> would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking
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>>>>>>> owj.nycga.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> J.A. Myerson >>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >>>>>> 347.688.0241 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:16:19 PM

Thank you all! Cant wait! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Awesome on all we are taking portraits in the park then we will be working in the office when I get a better idea of what we need later today I will reachout thanks! On Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM, "Alex Tronolone" <a.tronolone@gmail.com> wrote: > i have a laptop with indesign on it. > -a > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I can create a owj.nycga.net sub domain, host it on our server and we can >> point those domains there. >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I have registered occupywallstreetjournal.com and >>> occupywallstreetjournal.org, as well as occupywallstreetjournal@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:35 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> yup! do it! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will register occupywallstjournal.com and/or .org if people think >>>>> it's a good idea. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:09 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can copy edit some stuff. I won't be around for too long tomorrow, >>>>>> but I'm happy to work on it from elsewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> JAM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use >>>>>>> it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I >>>>>>> would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking >>>>>>> owj.nycga.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> J.A. Myerson >>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >>>>>> 347.688.0241 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:08:12 AM

If I'm in the park with my laptop I have inDesign and know how to use it. I can't really commit as I have a billion things to do as it. BUT I would like to discuss the online version... I'm thinking owj.nycga.net

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:36:08 PM

http://www.in5d.com/occupy-wall-street-the-marines-are-coming-to-protect-theprotestors.html On Oct 1, 2011, at 8:27 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:


On live stream someone just said "If the cops want to arrest some protesters now they are going to have to go through the marines. Lets see them mace some decorated Iraq War vets."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: sorry make that the '...city room artcle..."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site in the city blog article on the Bkln Bridge arrests.

On 10/01/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: tweeted! Five Things That #OccupyWallStreet Has Done Right via @DissentMagazine http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563 On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: 5 things occupy wall st did right http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563

On 10/01/11, diane sare<dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: A few thoughts: 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain that it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people. 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so massive, they can hardly be exaggerated 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and more of them will be with us. (I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made cowards of us all.") On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments...

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-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:44:57 PM

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/police-arresting-protesters-onbrooklyn-bridge/ On Oct 1, 2011, at 8:39 PM, J Wedes wrote: link to livestream on nytimes please On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On live stream someone just said "If the cops want to arrest some protesters now they are going to have to go through the marines. Lets see them mace some decorated Iraq War vets."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: sorry make that the '...city room artcle..."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site in the city blog article on the Bkln Bridge arrests.

On 10/01/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: tweeted! Five Things That #OccupyWallStreet Has Done Right via @DissentMagazine http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563 On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: 5 things occupy wall st did right http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563

On 10/01/11, diane sare<dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: A few thoughts: 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain that it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people. 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so massive, they can hardly be exaggerated 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and more of them will be with us. (I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made cowards of us all.")

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments...

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:15:29 PM

sorry make that the '...city room artcle..."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site in the city blog article on the Bkln Bridge arrests.

On 10/01/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: tweeted! Five Things That #OccupyWallStreet Has Done Right via @DissentMagazine http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563 On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: 5 things occupy wall st did right http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=563

On 10/01/11, diane sare<dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: A few thoughts: 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain that it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people. 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so massive, they can hardly be exaggerated 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and more of them will be with us. (I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made cowards of us all.") On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments...

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com occupymedia@gmail.com; 917-arts-and-culture@googlegroups.com; ows_outreach@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:51:31 PM

Hi AntonioSome quick background... This project was neither proposed nor accepted. It is not the official paper of the GA..... It is an autonomous project done by a group of people to help grow the movement, and thus it is mainly done as an outreach project, Although it is not of the outreach committee. Running around scrounging for copies was getting old! Seeing people read BS accounts of our movement is also not fun or helpful. So we gathered as a group of people with both the skills, experience, and drive to get it done. We even raised our own funds.. over $12,000 in less than one day. As many of the people on this project are probably staying up all night to try and get it done for our march on Saturday, I am not sure how many of them would be able to make a late meeting tomorrow night. I am assuming you want to have some of them attend to get an idea of where they are at (hopefully done) with the 1st issue etc. Having more people involved in the future issues is going to be really important! Perhaps someone who will be involved with the 1st and any upcoming issues can set a meeting soon....

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Antonio Serna <antonio@muserna.org> wrote: > Hi MAd Hatter & grimwomyn, > The same project was proposed this past Monday at the Arts & Culture > meeting. I'm excited to hear it was accepted. > > I'm adding a meeting for the project and cc: the arts & culture committee 2 > morrow. > > Meeting for... > The Occupy Wall Street Journal > Friday 9pm / Liberty park > (North of the Media pit) > > > best, > Antonio > [NYCGA internet committee & arts & culture committee] > >----> > FOR the Art & Culture Committee, if you want to follow the sept17 thread > here it is: > > http://groups.google.com/group/september17/browse_thread/thread/7b33e86a6138e2d4 > > FOR those in the Sept17 that would like to see minutes for Monday meeting: > > >

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> > On 9/29/11 7:17 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> and please deliver to occupymedia@gmail.com <mailto:occupymedia@gmail.com> >> >> gracias! >> > > > On 9/29/11 7:17 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> Hey all >> >> so we are looking for a graphic designer to come up with the mock up of >> the Wall Street Journal header for the paper. It needs to be 17" wide, with >> a version for the online component. The first and best version that we get >> will run.... thank you all for yr efforts ahead of time! >> >> >> We are very excited about this and think that it is going to be terrific, >> we have a lot of great articles and artwork and the kickstarter campaign is >> almost fully funded.... >> >> deadline: ASAP! >> >> Thanks again, y mucho amor you hard working people you-grim >> > > > On 9/29/11 12:05 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: >> >> Introducing... The Occupy Wall Street Journal! >> In order to grow the numbers in New York, we are developing a >> newspaper that explains the movement and encourages folks to join. We >> simply can not allow the main stream media to define us. We are in a >> very special moment now, and we plan to bring tens of thousands into >> streets in the coming weeks. Please donate to this important outreach >> project now so we can hand out 50,000 copies this weekend! >> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-street-media > >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Antonio Serna september17@googlegroups.com; 917-arts-and-culture@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:30:47 PM

Hi MAd Hatter et al., A quick background... The Occupy Wall Street Journal was proposed to the public in an Arts & Culture meeting Monday, over 60 people attended (the meeting went on til 2 pushing back the GA even!) The proposal got favorable laughs and nods. I assumed we would get some support for the project and we would hear about it at meetings or in discussions groups. But as far as I know nothing came through the channels. So how did that happen? Best, Antonio On 9/29/11 10:51 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: > Hi Antonio> Some quick background... > This project was neither proposed nor accepted. It is not the official > paper of the GA..... It is an autonomous project done by a group of > people to help grow the movement, and thus it is mainly done as an > outreach project, Although it is not of the outreach committee. > Running around scrounging for copies was getting old! Seeing people > read BS accounts of our movement is also not fun or helpful. So we > gathered as a group of people with both the skills, experience, and > drive to get it done. We even raised our own funds.. over $12,000 in > less than one day. > > As many of the people on this project are probably staying up all > night to try and get it done for our march on Saturday, I am not sure > how many of them would be able to make a late meeting tomorrow night. > I am assuming you want to have some of them attend to get an idea of > where they are at (hopefully done) with the 1st issue etc. Having > more people involved in the future issues is going to be really > important! Perhaps someone who will be involved with the 1st and any > upcoming issues can set a meeting soon.... > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Antonio Serna<antonio@muserna.org> wrote: >> Hi MAd Hatter& grimwomyn, >> The same project was proposed this past Monday at the Arts& Culture >> meeting. I'm excited to hear it was accepted. >> >> I'm adding a meeting for the project and cc: the arts& culture committee 2 >> morrow. >> >> Meeting for... >> The Occupy Wall Street Journal >> Friday 9pm / Liberty park >> (North of the Media pit)

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>> >> >> best, >> Antonio >> [NYCGA internet committee& arts& culture committee] >> >> - - - - >> >> FOR the Art& Culture Committee, if you want to follow the sept17 thread >> here it is: >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/september17/browse_thread/thread/7b33e86a6138e2d4 >> >> FOR those in the Sept17 that would like to see minutes for Monday meeting: >> >> >> >> >> On 9/29/11 7:17 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> and please deliver to occupymedia@gmail.com<mailto:occupymedia@gmail.com> >>> >>> gracias! >>> >> >> >> On 9/29/11 7:17 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> Hey all >>> >>> so we are looking for a graphic designer to come up with the mock up of >>> the Wall Street Journal header for the paper. It needs to be 17" wide, with >>> a version for the online component. The first and best version that we get >>> will run.... thank you all for yr efforts ahead of time! >>> >>> >>> We are very excited about this and think that it is going to be terrific, >>> we have a lot of great articles and artwork and the kickstarter campaign is >>> almost fully funded.... >>> >>> deadline: ASAP! >>> >>> Thanks again, y mucho amor you hard working people you-grim >>> >> >> >> On 9/29/11 12:05 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: >>> >>> Introducing... The Occupy Wall Street Journal! >>> In order to grow the numbers in New York, we are developing a >>> newspaper that explains the movement and encourages folks to join. We >>> simply can not allow the main stream media to define us. We are in a >>> very special moment now, and we plan to bring tens of thousands into >>> streets in the coming weeks. Please donate to this important outreach >>> project now so we can hand out 50,000 copies this weekend! >>> >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-street-media >> >>

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Antonio Serna september17@googlegroups.com occupymedia@gmail.com; 917-arts-and-culture@googlegroups.com; ows_outreach@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] The Occupy Wall Street Journal Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:18:40 PM

Hi MAd Hatter & grimwomyn, The same project was proposed this past Monday at the Arts & Culture meeting. I'm excited to hear it was accepted. I'm adding a meeting for the project and cc: the arts & culture committee 2 morrow. Meeting for... The Occupy Wall Street Journal Friday 9pm / Liberty park (North of the Media pit) best, Antonio [NYCGA internet committee & arts & culture committee] ----FOR the Art & Culture Committee, if you want to follow the sept17 thread here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/september17/browse_thread/thread/7b33e86a6138e2d4 FOR those in the Sept17 that would like to see minutes for Monday meeting:

On 9/29/11 7:17 PM, grimwomyn wrote: > and please deliver to occupymedia@gmail.com <mailto:occupymedia@gmail.com> > > gracias! > On 9/29/11 7:17 PM, grimwomyn wrote: > Hey all > > so we are looking for a graphic designer to come up with the mock up of the Wall Street Journal header for the paper. It needs to be 17" wide, with a version for the online component. The first and best version that we get will run.... thank you all for yr efforts ahead of time! > > > We are very excited about this and think that it is going to be terrific, we have a lot of great articles and artwork and the kickstarter campaign is almost fully funded.... > > deadline: ASAP!

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> > Thanks again, y mucho amor you hard working people you-grim > On 9/29/11 12:05 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: > Introducing... The Occupy Wall Street Journal! > In order to grow the numbers in New York, we are developing a > newspaper that explains the movement and encourages folks to join. We > simply can not allow the main stream media to define us. We are in a > very special moment now, and we plan to bring tens of thousands into > streets in the coming weeks. Please donate to this important outreach > project now so we can hand out 50,000 copies this weekend! > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/610964639/occupy-wall-street-media

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] unsub Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:27:59 PM

can anyone invite people to the group? / how does one get added? thanks! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: You need to find the google groups homepage for the group and then you can unsubscribe from there. We should add unsubscribe instructions to the bottom of each email. One of the listserv managers has to do that by going into the group's settings. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: how can I get off this list. it's too much traffic for my box. Solidarity, ~ FluxRostrum Current Project http://MobileBroadcastNews.com Home Base http://Fluxview.com Quoting NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: > preach it, brother! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Siddattha Gurung > <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >> I want to stamp out the word 'innovation' from the fucking english language >> along with 'job creators' and 'welfare-queens', or atleast prevent it from >> being used in policy issue debates and economics. Its fucking worthless to >> use such language since it doesn't mean shit. FedEx did not become the giant >> it did due to 'innovation', it did so through union busting, tax dodging and >> outright fraud (you could call those 'innovations' if you would like). Apple >> didnt become the giant it did through innovation, it did so through union >> busting, sweatshop workers, tax dodging and outright copyright theft (along >> with a snazzy advertisement scheme, which you could call 'innovation'). >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> >> wrote: >>> >>> Let me say this more clearly. The issue of USPS budget shortfalls is a >>> fucking made up issue that was forced upon the USPS by congressional law >>> purposely meant to 'starve the beast'. It has never in its history faced a
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>>> budget shortfall due a lack of funding (which is not taxpayers money btw), >>> and has been continually pumping out a surplus, while competing with >>> oftentimes non-unionised tax dodging, labor busting companies like >>> FedEx and >>> UPS. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> *while the fact that usage in the USPS has dropped is ture >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While the usage in postal services is true, its necessity and importance >>>>> has not diminished. There are no other services in the US that >>>>> can deliver a >>>>> physical mail to any part of the US (many parts where internet access is >>>>> still spotty) within 2~3 business days for just 49 cents. Not to mention >>>>> providing flat rate services for transporting packages of any weight at a >>>>> price of under 20$, again to any part of the US within a working >>>>> week(this >>>>> specific service is extremely popular with the 'small business' that most >>>>> US politicians like to harp on about). FedEx and UPS both regularly use >>>>> the infrastructure that USPS has created and ends up having the USPS >>>>> transport many of its unclaimed mail. It also provides a physical link to >>>>> your governmental records (from taxes to court summons) that >>>>> arrive on time >>>>> and available everywhere. >>>>> The postal service is not a business, rather it is a public utility that >>>>> is required for the seamless function of the government, and >>>>> provided access to many who would be excluded from the internet >>>>> due to cost >>>>> or ease of access. >>>>> Also, the postal service funds itself without any funding from the >>>>> federal government. It is actually a miracle that an institution that >>>>> provided universal access for such low costs managed to make a >>>>> surplus for >>>>> the past couple of years and the recent financial woes only comes >>>>> from a law >>>>> require the USPS to pre-fund its health care for 75 years in the future. >>>>> Additionally on the labor front, it is an organization that hires >>>>> approximately 8 million employees with a high degree of women and >>>>> minority >>>>> representation (approx 40%). This is the last bastion of middle class >>>>> Americans with a union. >>>>> I am dependent on the USPS for an insane amount of my daily needs, and >>>>> most people would realize that too if they just paid >>>>> attention. The internet >>>>> will not keep a physical records of my taxes, bills, legal >>>>> documents that i >>>>> routinely need for a variety of inane reasons. The internet will
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>>>>> not send me >>>>> the DVD of a rare movie from Netflix that will never be >>>>> online. The internet >>>>> will not send my hand written mail to bum fuck nowhere for 49cents. The >>>>> Internet will never transport my care package of sweet but stupid >>>>> items to >>>>> my long-distance girlfriend for under 20$ in 2~3 business days. >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:15 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am here in upstate NY recovering from a staph infection at my uncle's >>>>>> who is a PhD in electrical engineering and works at IBM and he could not >>>>>> understand why folks marched to the postal workers. He told me >>>>>> that postal >>>>>> workers have 25% less usage in this modern age and therefore should face >>>>>> reflective cuts. He also asked me when was the last time I sent someone >>>>>> mail and offered the same question to all of the occupiers who are so >>>>>> dependent on email, twitter and facebook for our communications. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am usually pretty good and talking points, but I did not have a good >>>>>> response on why occupy wall street (can we please, please avoid activism >>>>>> speak of acronyms and OWS) supports the postal workers. Can >>>>>> someone please >>>>>> give me an educated informed response on why we support the >>>>>> postal workers? >>>>>> Keep in mind that we are talking to each other on this and not >>>>>> outreaching >>>>>> to media, but at sometime the media will ask the same questions and we >>>>>> should be ready. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peace and Love, >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s. >>>>>> I think I will be back in the streets on Friday with no more nasty >>>>>> pustules on my face. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >

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-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] unsub Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:45:07 PM

you can invite people at http://groups.google.com/group/september17/members_invite?hl=en On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: can anyone invite people to the group? / how does one get added? thanks! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: You need to find the google groups homepage for the group and then you can unsubscribe from there. We should add unsubscribe instructions to the bottom of each email. One of the listserv managers has to do that by going into the group's settings. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: how can I get off this list. it's too much traffic for my box. Solidarity, ~ FluxRostrum Current Project http://MobileBroadcastNews.com Home Base http://Fluxview.com Quoting NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: > preach it, brother! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Siddattha Gurung > <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >> I want to stamp out the word 'innovation' from the fucking english language >> along with 'job creators' and 'welfare-queens', or atleast prevent it from >> being used in policy issue debates and economics. Its fucking worthless to >> use such language since it doesn't mean shit. FedEx did not become the giant >> it did due to 'innovation', it did so through union busting, tax dodging and >> outright fraud (you could call those 'innovations' if you would like). Apple >> didnt become the giant it did through innovation, it did so through union >> busting, sweatshop workers, tax dodging and outright copyright theft (along >> with a snazzy advertisement scheme, which you could call 'innovation'). >>
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>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> >> wrote: >>> >>> Let me say this more clearly. The issue of USPS budget shortfalls is a >>> fucking made up issue that was forced upon the USPS by congressional law >>> purposely meant to 'starve the beast'. It has never in its history faced a >>> budget shortfall due a lack of funding (which is not taxpayers money btw), >>> and has been continually pumping out a surplus, while competing with >>> oftentimes non-unionised tax dodging, labor busting companies like >>> FedEx and >>> UPS. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> *while the fact that usage in the USPS has dropped is ture >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While the usage in postal services is true, its necessity and importance >>>>> has not diminished. There are no other services in the US that >>>>> can deliver a >>>>> physical mail to any part of the US (many parts where internet access is >>>>> still spotty) within 2~3 business days for just 49 cents. Not to mention >>>>> providing flat rate services for transporting packages of any weight at a >>>>> price of under 20$, again to any part of the US within a working >>>>> week(this >>>>> specific service is extremely popular with the 'small business' that most >>>>> US politicians like to harp on about). FedEx and UPS both regularly use >>>>> the infrastructure that USPS has created and ends up having the USPS >>>>> transport many of its unclaimed mail. It also provides a physical link to >>>>> your governmental records (from taxes to court summons) that >>>>> arrive on time >>>>> and available everywhere. >>>>> The postal service is not a business, rather it is a public utility that >>>>> is required for the seamless function of the government, and >>>>> provided access to many who would be excluded from the internet >>>>> due to cost >>>>> or ease of access. >>>>> Also, the postal service funds itself without any funding from the >>>>> federal government. It is actually a miracle that an institution that
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>>>>> provided universal access for such low costs managed to make a >>>>> surplus for >>>>> the past couple of years and the recent financial woes only comes >>>>> from a law >>>>> require the USPS to pre-fund its health care for 75 years in the future. >>>>> Additionally on the labor front, it is an organization that hires >>>>> approximately 8 million employees with a high degree of women and >>>>> minority >>>>> representation (approx 40%). This is the last bastion of middle class >>>>> Americans with a union. >>>>> I am dependent on the USPS for an insane amount of my daily needs, and >>>>> most people would realize that too if they just paid >>>>> attention. The internet >>>>> will not keep a physical records of my taxes, bills, legal >>>>> documents that i >>>>> routinely need for a variety of inane reasons. The internet will >>>>> not send me >>>>> the DVD of a rare movie from Netflix that will never be >>>>> online. The internet >>>>> will not send my hand written mail to bum fuck nowhere for 49cents. The >>>>> Internet will never transport my care package of sweet but stupid >>>>> items to >>>>> my long-distance girlfriend for under 20$ in 2~3 business days. >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:15 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am here in upstate NY recovering from a staph infection at my uncle's >>>>>> who is a PhD in electrical engineering and works at IBM and he could not >>>>>> understand why folks marched to the postal workers. He told me >>>>>> that postal >>>>>> workers have 25% less usage in this modern age and therefore should face >>>>>> reflective cuts. He also asked me when was the last time I sent someone >>>>>> mail and offered the same question to all of the occupiers who are so >>>>>> dependent on email, twitter and facebook for our communications. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am usually pretty good and talking points, but I did not have a good >>>>>> response on why occupy wall street (can we please, please avoid activism >>>>>> speak of acronyms and OWS) supports the postal workers. Can >>>>>> someone please >>>>>> give me an educated informed response on why we support the
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and we >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >

postal workers? Keep in mind that we are talking to each other on this and not outreaching to media, but at sometime the media will ask the same questions should be ready. Peace and Love, Jason p.s. I think I will be back in the streets on Friday with no more nasty pustules on my face.

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] unsub Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:10:13 PM

Thank you! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: you can invite people at http://groups.google.com/group/september17/members_invite?hl=en On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: can anyone invite people to the group? / how does one get added? thanks! On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: You need to find the google groups homepage for the group and then you can unsubscribe from there. We should add unsubscribe instructions to the bottom of each email. One of the listserv managers has to do that by going into the group's settings. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: how can I get off this list. it's too much traffic for my box. Solidarity, ~ FluxRostrum Current Project http://MobileBroadcastNews.com Home Base http://Fluxview.com Quoting NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: > preach it, brother! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Siddattha Gurung > <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >> I want to stamp out the word 'innovation' from the fucking english language >> along with 'job creators' and 'welfare-queens', or atleast prevent it from >> being used in policy issue debates and economics. Its fucking worthless to >> use such language since it doesn't mean shit. FedEx did not become the giant >> it did due to 'innovation', it did so through union busting, tax dodging and
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>> outright fraud (you could call those 'innovations' if you would like). Apple >> didnt become the giant it did through innovation, it did so through union >> busting, sweatshop workers, tax dodging and outright copyright theft (along >> with a snazzy advertisement scheme, which you could call 'innovation'). >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> >> wrote: >>> >>> Let me say this more clearly. The issue of USPS budget shortfalls is a >>> fucking made up issue that was forced upon the USPS by congressional law >>> purposely meant to 'starve the beast'. It has never in its history faced a >>> budget shortfall due a lack of funding (which is not taxpayers money btw), >>> and has been continually pumping out a surplus, while competing with >>> oftentimes non-unionised tax dodging, labor busting companies like >>> FedEx and >>> UPS. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> *while the fact that usage in the USPS has dropped is ture >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While the usage in postal services is true, its necessity and importance >>>>> has not diminished. There are no other services in the US that >>>>> can deliver a >>>>> physical mail to any part of the US (many parts where internet access is >>>>> still spotty) within 2~3 business days for just 49 cents. Not to mention >>>>> providing flat rate services for transporting packages of any weight at a >>>>> price of under 20$, again to any part of the US within a working >>>>> week(this >>>>> specific service is extremely popular with the 'small business' that most >>>>> US politicians like to harp on about). FedEx and UPS both regularly use >>>>> the infrastructure that USPS has created and ends up having the USPS >>>>> transport many of its unclaimed mail. It also provides a physical link to >>>>> your governmental records (from taxes to court summons) that >>>>> arrive on time >>>>> and available everywhere.
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>>>>> The postal service is not a business, rather it is a public utility that >>>>> is required for the seamless function of the government, and >>>>> provided access to many who would be excluded from the internet >>>>> due to cost >>>>> or ease of access. >>>>> Also, the postal service funds itself without any funding from the >>>>> federal government. It is actually a miracle that an institution that >>>>> provided universal access for such low costs managed to make a >>>>> surplus for >>>>> the past couple of years and the recent financial woes only comes >>>>> from a law >>>>> require the USPS to pre-fund its health care for 75 years in the future. >>>>> Additionally on the labor front, it is an organization that hires >>>>> approximately 8 million employees with a high degree of women and >>>>> minority >>>>> representation (approx 40%). This is the last bastion of middle class >>>>> Americans with a union. >>>>> I am dependent on the USPS for an insane amount of my daily needs, and >>>>> most people would realize that too if they just paid >>>>> attention. The internet >>>>> will not keep a physical records of my taxes, bills, legal >>>>> documents that i >>>>> routinely need for a variety of inane reasons. The internet will >>>>> not send me >>>>> the DVD of a rare movie from Netflix that will never be >>>>> online. The internet >>>>> will not send my hand written mail to bum fuck nowhere for 49cents. The >>>>> Internet will never transport my care package of sweet but stupid >>>>> items to >>>>> my long-distance girlfriend for under 20$ in 2~3 business days. >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:15 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am here in upstate NY recovering from a staph infection at my uncle's >>>>>> who is a PhD in electrical engineering and works at IBM and he could not >>>>>> understand why folks marched to the postal workers. He told me >>>>>> that postal >>>>>> workers have 25% less usage in this modern age and therefore should face >>>>>> reflective cuts. He also asked me when was the last time I sent someone >>>>>> mail and offered the same question to all of the occupiers who are so >>>>>> dependent on email, twitter and facebook for our communications.
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>>>>>> >>>>>> good >>>>>> activism >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and we >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >

I am usually pretty good and talking points, but I did not have a response on why occupy wall street (can we please, please avoid speak of acronyms and OWS) supports the postal workers. Can someone please give me an educated informed response on why we support the postal workers? Keep in mind that we are talking to each other on this and not outreaching to media, but at sometime the media will ask the same questions should be ready. Peace and Love, Jason p.s. I think I will be back in the streets on Friday with no more nasty pustules on my face.

-yOni

-yOni

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] unsub Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:13:36 AM

You need to find the google groups homepage for the group and then you can unsubscribe from there. We should add unsubscribe instructions to the bottom of each email. One of the listserv managers has to do that by going into the group's settings. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: how can I get off this list. it's too much traffic for my box. Solidarity, ~ FluxRostrum Current Project http://MobileBroadcastNews.com Home Base http://Fluxview.com Quoting NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com>: > preach it, brother! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Siddattha Gurung > <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >> I want to stamp out the word 'innovation' from the fucking english language >> along with 'job creators' and 'welfare-queens', or atleast prevent it from >> being used in policy issue debates and economics. Its fucking worthless to >> use such language since it doesn't mean shit. FedEx did not become the giant >> it did due to 'innovation', it did so through union busting, tax dodging and >> outright fraud (you could call those 'innovations' if you would like). Apple >> didnt become the giant it did through innovation, it did so through union >> busting, sweatshop workers, tax dodging and outright copyright theft (along >> with a snazzy advertisement scheme, which you could call 'innovation'). >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> >> wrote: >>> >>> Let me say this more clearly. The issue of USPS budget shortfalls is a >>> fucking made up issue that was forced upon the USPS by congressional law >>> purposely meant to 'starve the beast'. It has never in its history faced a >>> budget shortfall due a lack of funding (which is not taxpayers money btw), >>> and has been continually pumping out a surplus, while competing with >>> oftentimes non-unionised tax dodging, labor busting companies like >>> FedEx and >>> UPS. >>>
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>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> *while the fact that usage in the USPS has dropped is ture >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Siddattha Gurung >>>> <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While the usage in postal services is true, its necessity and importance >>>>> has not diminished. There are no other services in the US that >>>>> can deliver a >>>>> physical mail to any part of the US (many parts where internet access is >>>>> still spotty) within 2~3 business days for just 49 cents. Not to mention >>>>> providing flat rate services for transporting packages of any weight at a >>>>> price of under 20$, again to any part of the US within a working >>>>> week(this >>>>> specific service is extremely popular with the 'small business' that most >>>>> US politicians like to harp on about). FedEx and UPS both regularly use >>>>> the infrastructure that USPS has created and ends up having the USPS >>>>> transport many of its unclaimed mail. It also provides a physical link to >>>>> your governmental records (from taxes to court summons) that >>>>> arrive on time >>>>> and available everywhere. >>>>> The postal service is not a business, rather it is a public utility that >>>>> is required for the seamless function of the government, and >>>>> provided access to many who would be excluded from the internet >>>>> due to cost >>>>> or ease of access. >>>>> Also, the postal service funds itself without any funding from the >>>>> federal government. It is actually a miracle that an institution that >>>>> provided universal access for such low costs managed to make a >>>>> surplus for >>>>> the past couple of years and the recent financial woes only comes >>>>> from a law >>>>> require the USPS to pre-fund its health care for 75 years in the future. >>>>> Additionally on the labor front, it is an organization that hires >>>>> approximately 8 million employees with a high degree of women and >>>>> minority >>>>> representation (approx 40%). This is the last bastion of middle class >>>>> Americans with a union. >>>>> I am dependent on the USPS for an insane amount of my daily needs, and >>>>> most people would realize that too if they just paid >>>>> attention. The internet >>>>> will not keep a physical records of my taxes, bills, legal >>>>> documents that i >>>>> routinely need for a variety of inane reasons. The internet will >>>>> not send me >>>>> the DVD of a rare movie from Netflix that will never be >>>>> online. The internet >>>>> will not send my hand written mail to bum fuck nowhere for 49cents. The >>>>> Internet will never transport my care package of sweet but stupid >>>>> items to
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

>>>>> my long-distance girlfriend for under 20$ in 2~3 business days. >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:15 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am here in upstate NY recovering from a staph infection at my uncle's >>>>>> who is a PhD in electrical engineering and works at IBM and he could not >>>>>> understand why folks marched to the postal workers. He told me >>>>>> that postal >>>>>> workers have 25% less usage in this modern age and therefore should face >>>>>> reflective cuts. He also asked me when was the last time I sent someone >>>>>> mail and offered the same question to all of the occupiers who are so >>>>>> dependent on email, twitter and facebook for our communications. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am usually pretty good and talking points, but I did not have a good >>>>>> response on why occupy wall street (can we please, please avoid activism >>>>>> speak of acronyms and OWS) supports the postal workers. Can >>>>>> someone please >>>>>> give me an educated informed response on why we support the >>>>>> postal workers? >>>>>> Keep in mind that we are talking to each other on this and not >>>>>> outreaching >>>>>> to media, but at sometime the media will ask the same questions and we >>>>>> should be ready. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peace and Love, >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s. >>>>>> I think I will be back in the streets on Friday with no more nasty >>>>>> pustules on my face. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Urgent: arrest info Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:35:22 PM

i don't think there's a place 2 get it online. call NLG 4 more info On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Antonio Serna <antonio@muserna.org> wrote: Anyone know where to get arrestee info online. Greatly needed. Passing on more info, please pass along. Going to one police plaza now: Ed pages Jack smith Nick garner Valera Allen Allen michaels Henry Sanford Still looking for: Michael peligati -Antonio

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:34:36 PM

12:30 PM, West 42nd. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:04:29 PM

If you want a white woman, I could come, but I thought it was at 1. Im at TWU on 48th St till 12:30, maybe I could leave a few minutes early. I drive & have a disability parking permit
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J.A. Myerson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:34 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

12:30 PM, West 42nd. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:37:29 PM

Phew. Just got word. Search: over. Onward, onzards! JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: 12:30 PM, West 42nd. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:06:37 PM

Who did you get?


From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J.A. Myerson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:36 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

Phew. Just got word. Search: over. Onward, onzards! JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: 12:30 PM, West 42nd. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:54:21 PM

I've had a couple of conversations with Jessie at 1199. I could help after noon. On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:28 PM, "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:39:54 PM

Who is Mae? Is she with Occupy Wall Street or with 1199? So you dont need me (Sicilians werent always considered white --- just joking).
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J.A. Myerson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:07 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

Mae. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Who did you get?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J.A. Myerson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:36 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

Phew. Just got word. Search: over. Onward, onzards! JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: 12:30 PM, West 42nd. JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:59:21 PM

Alright; if you need someone else, I'm here. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:52:00 -0400 To: september17@googlegroups.com<september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. I've had a couple of conversations with Jessie at 1199. I could help after noon. On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:28 PM, "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08:01 PM

Mae. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Who did you get?

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J.A. Myerson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:36 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

Phew. Just got word. Search: over.

Onward, onzards!

JAM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: 12:30 PM, West 42nd.

JAM

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something!

I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet.

Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible!

Thanks,

JAM

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com


Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Friday, September 30, 2011 5:54:57 PM

I am Puerto Rican, a single mom, and gen x, so I fit into a lot of "unexpected" boxes for the OWS movement if you need to pimp out any of that. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Who is Mae? Is she with Occupy Wall Street or with 1199? So you dont need > me (Sicilians werent always considered white --- just joking). > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of J.A. Myerson > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:07 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. > > > > Mae. > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> > wrote: > > Who did you get? > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of J.A. Myerson > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:36 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. > > > > Phew. Just got word. Search: over. > > > > Onward, onzards! > > > > JAM > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: > > 12:30 PM, West 42nd.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

JAM

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something!

I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet.

Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible!

Thanks,

JAM

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:32:34 PM

What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:59:57 PM

Sorry, but you didnt give your name. Who are you?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gabjoh2@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:32 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested.

What time tomorrow? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "J.A. Myerson" <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:28:10 -0400 To: <labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com>; <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] URGENT: diversity fervently requested. URGENT: please tell everyone there, announce at GA, something! I am meeting the 1199 executive council tomorrow to try and convince them to come out for us. It's in midtown and I *need* someone to be with me, and that person needs not to be white. This will mean the difference, I bet. Please, please, please have someone who's down give me a call as soon as possible! Thanks, JAM -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM NOW ! Friday, September 30, 2011 12:12:09 PM

yeah, this is freaking me out. what can we do in protest? On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, <guindave@aol.com> wrote: Not Bigger then Wal-Street but almost or as big, is the biggest most vile union busting world destroying biggest company in the history of the world WAl- MART is trying to come to NYC. I am so proud of all of you who are camping down there and really making it happen ! We however cant let Wal- MARt slip into NYC while we are not watching we must expand the movement ! I have been typing negative things about Wal Mart on there face book but they keep deleting them please help me lets make it so they get so many they cant stop us ! http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=46302490#!/walmartNYC there is the link (we have bigger problem now is a just a dead kenndys song)

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:31:08 AM

Free to be you and me-- us day of rage theme song-- awesome to sing along to... simple http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/freetobeyouandme/freetobeyouandme.htm On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:00:54 PM

DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being

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different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies,

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I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11:25 PM

Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet journal On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

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for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:42:43 PM

SONGS! Read 'em, listen to 'em, a list we put together with the help of good old Peter Yarrow (who sang right before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.) http://music.peacefuluprising.org/ I particularly like "Stand."

http://music.peacefuluprising.org/track/stand

We were just talking about this in the Oct2011 google group!


Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Will do.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet journal On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies.
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We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American.

-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Friday, September 30, 2011 9:25:51 AM

Yes, this one is so amazing On Sep 29, 2011, at 11:49 AM, vanessazet@gmail.com wrote: I like Nina Simone's "ain't got no, I've got life" Would be great see everybody singing "I've got Liiiiife" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZVQmJVXDkk
Nina Simone-Ain't Got No, I Got Life I ain't got no home, ain't got no shoes Ain't got no money, Ain't got no class Ain't got no skirts, Ain't got no sweater Ain't got no perfume Ain't got no bed Ain't got no mind, Ain't Ain't Ain't Ain't Ain't got got got got got no no no no no mother Ain't got no culture friends, aint got no schoolin' love, Ain't got no name ticket, Ain't got no token god

and what have i got? why am i alive anyway? yeah what have i got? nobody can take away?... Got Got Got Got my my my my hair. Got my head brains, Got my ears eyes, Got my nose mouth, I got my smile

I got my tongue, Got my chin Got my neck, Got my boobies Got my heart, Got my soul Got my back, I got my sex I got my arms, got my hands, got my fingers, got my legs, got my feet, got my toes, got my liver, got my blood.. I've got life, i've got my freedom
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i've got life I've got life and I am gonna keep it I've got life and nobody's gonna take it away I've got life!

2011/9/29 Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> I agree with Jon. Some days ago I sent a message to this list remembering one moment of the first assembly on Saturday 17th, when someone started singing Journey's "Don't stop believing". I really liked that moment. It was funny and encouraging at the same time. I believe this song has a strong working class appeal. At the same time, it's really popular. And it is far from being a traditional protest song. Which precisely reinforces a fresh, different political potential. One really interesting thing that happened in Spain was how people showed an immense creativity in re-appropriating the strategies of mainstream media, advertising, popular songs, etc., and give them a new political meaning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Another song I really like for this purpose is Moloko's "The time is now", although I'm not sure it's very popular here in the States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9Ke02m_zk "Come on and join the movement/The time is now" or something like that :) Just my 2 cents here. 2011/9/29 Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity,
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Friday, September 30, 2011 12:19:27 PM

Anyone have a copy of the IWW's "Little Red Songbook"? On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote:
SONGS! Read 'em, listen to 'em, a list we put together with the help of good old Peter Yarrow (who sang right before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.) http://music.peacefuluprising.org/ I particularly like "Stand."

http://music.peacefuluprising.org/track/stand

We were just talking about this in the Oct2011 google group!


Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Will do.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet journal On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

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DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American.

-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon
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as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Friday, September 30, 2011 12:49:28 PM

I do, but I'm on my way to Boston. I'll have my roommate bring it down tomorrow, though.

On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Anyone have a copy of the IWW's "Little Red Songbook"? On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote:
SONGS! Read 'em, listen to 'em, a list we put together with the help of good old Peter Yarrow (who sang right before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.) http://music.peacefuluprising.org/ I particularly like "Stand." http://music.peacefuluprising.org/track/stand

We were just talking about this in the Oct2011 google group!


Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Will do.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com

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Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet journal On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently antiworking class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American.

-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Friday, September 30, 2011 10:16:53 PM

I do too! M. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone have a copy of the IWW's "Little Red Songbook"? > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: > > SONGS! Read 'em, listen to 'em, a list we put together with the help of good > old Peter Yarrow (who sang right before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.) > http://music.peacefuluprising.org/ > I particularly like "Stand." http://music.peacefuluprising.org/track/stand > We were just talking about this in the Oct2011 google group! > > Ashley Anderson > Director > Peaceful Uprising > 801-652-2971 | > Tw | Fb > Core Principles > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> > wrote: >> >> Will do. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] >> On Behalf Of Jon Good >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11 PM >> >> To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation >> song?!?! >> >> >> >> Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet >> journal >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> >> wrote: >>

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DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s

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and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote:

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Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:09:21 AM

My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun!
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:16:55 PM

Will do.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet journal On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American.
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

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-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective.

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solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:39:17 AM

...and I forgot to add my suggestion. Jimmy Cliff's "The Harder They Come" which does have hippie-crossover appeal but is not exclusive to that movement. And the lyrics pretty much describe our situation perfectly. Well they tell me Theres a pie in the sky Waiting for me when I die But between the day You're born and when you die Oh Lord, they never Seem to hear even your cry And as sure as the sun will shine Im gonna get my share of whats mine And then The harder they come The harder they fall One and all Oh the harder they come The harder they fall Well the oppressors are trying To get me down, trying to drive me Under the ground, and they think That they have got their battle won I say: "forgive 'em Lord They no not what theyve done" And as sure as the sun will shine... And I keep on fighting for The things I want, though I know That when youre dead, man you're gone But Id rather be a free man in my grave Oh, than living like a puppet or a slave And as sure as the sun will shine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Znh0OM9jiA&feature=related

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that
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demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Friday, September 30, 2011 10:02:38 PM

yes
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Presto Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:20 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

Anyone have a copy of the IWW's "Little Red Songbook"? On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote:
SONGS! Read 'em, listen to 'em, a list we put together with the help of good old Peter Yarrow (who sang right before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.) http://music.peacefuluprising.org/ I particularly like "Stand."

http://music.peacefuluprising.org/track/stand

We were just talking about this in the Oct2011 google group! Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 |

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Will do.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:11 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

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Yo, write this up as a formal thing and send it to the occupywallstreet journal On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TOLD ABOUT THE 60s. WE HAVE A LEGACY. (I think I'd like to organize a forum sometime about the differences and similarities between the 60s' and our present movement) I agree that the 60s did little to fight economic oppression or to ally with the "99%." That's why Occupy Wall Street is much more progressive than much of the 60s movement; some factions in SDS were virulently anti-working class and many identified youth, not workers, as the ones to organize. I am working class and formed groups in Madison. Wis. to fight those tendencies. We put out a local labor newspaper, organized truck drivers, met with unions at the School for Workers, set up labor oriented study groups and even got official pro-labor Economics classes. A book will soon be out about the organizing of working class youth by SDS members, as with Rising Up Angry in Chicago. Of the 60s activists still active, several are in the labor movement. This was particularly true about U of Wis, Madison where graduate student teachers, many of whom were in the radical movement, formed the first graduate teachers' union and had to strike for recognition, shutting down the university in Spring 1970, supported by the radical student movement which had been fighting the university on issues related to the Vietnam war. Not only did that union, stemming from the 60s, lead the public school teachers to occupy the capitol building in 2011, but one of its 60s leaders had become head of the Wis AFL-CIO-- which partly explains why the Wis movement was so advanced - there was a 60s legacy. Many of the older public school teachers were in school while students were in the streets, their consciousness was effected (all of Madison, including its Congressman was anti-war); in fact, they may have been in the high school contingents which joined us in anti-war marches. Moreover, the Civil Rights movement was working class and M L King's March on Washington was organized in great part by the labor movement, which, as with 1199, the hospital workers, was largely African-American. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to
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this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:41:07 AM

I agree with Jon. Some days ago I sent a message to this list remembering one moment of the first assembly on Saturday 17th, when someone started singing Journey's "Don't stop believing". I really liked that moment. It was funny and encouraging at the same time. I believe this song has a strong working class appeal. At the same time, it's really popular. And it is far from being a traditional protest song. Which precisely reinforces a fresh, different political potential. One really interesting thing that happened in Spain was how people showed an immense creativity in re-appropriating the strategies of mainstream media, advertising, popular songs, etc., and give them a new political meaning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Another song I really like for this purpose is Moloko's "The time is now", although I'm not sure it's very popular here in the States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9Ke02m_zk "Come on and join the movement/The time is now" or something like that :) Just my 2 cents here. 2011/9/29 Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a
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Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:49:45 AM

DOOOOOON'T STOP FEEEEEELING, YEAH! er, I mean, +1 Vicente.

BELIEEEEEEEEEEVING! HOLD ON TO THAT

Someone want to start a choir practice working group? On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Jon. Some days ago I sent a message to this list remembering one moment of the first assembly on Saturday 17th, when someone started singing Journey's "Don't stop believing". I really liked that moment. It was funny and encouraging at the same time. I believe this song has a strong working class appeal. At the same time, it's really popular. And it is far from being a traditional protest song. Which precisely reinforces a fresh, different political potential. One really interesting thing that happened in Spain was how people showed an immense creativity in re-appropriating the strategies of mainstream media, advertising, popular songs, etc., and give them a new political meaning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Another song I really like for this purpose is Moloko's "The time is now", although I'm not sure it's very popular here in the States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9Ke02m_zk "Come on and join the movement/The time is now" or something like that :) Just my 2 cents here. 2011/9/29 Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood.
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Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of vanessazet@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:49:17 AM

I like Nina Simone's "ain't got no, I've got life" Would be great see everybody singing "I've got Liiiiife" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZVQmJVXDkk
Nina Simone-Ain't Got No, I Got Life I ain't got no home, ain't got no shoes Ain't got no money, Ain't got no class Ain't got no skirts, Ain't got no sweater Ain't got no perfume Ain't got no bed Ain't got no mind, Ain't Ain't Ain't Ain't Ain't got got got got got no no no no no mother Ain't got no culture friends, aint got no schoolin' love, Ain't got no name ticket, Ain't got no token god

and what have i got? why am i alive anyway? yeah what have i got? nobody can take away?... Got Got Got Got my my my my hair. Got my head brains, Got my ears eyes, Got my nose mouth, I got my smile

I got my tongue, Got my chin Got my neck, Got my boobies Got my heart, Got my soul Got my back, I got my sex I got my arms, got my hands, got my fingers, got my legs, got my feet, got my toes, got my liver, got my blood.. I've got life, i've got my freedom i've got life I've got life and I am gonna keep it I've got life
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and nobody's gonna take it away I've got life!

2011/9/29 Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> I agree with Jon. Some days ago I sent a message to this list remembering one moment of the first assembly on Saturday 17th, when someone started singing Journey's "Don't stop believing". I really liked that moment. It was funny and encouraging at the same time. I believe this song has a strong working class appeal. At the same time, it's really popular. And it is far from being a traditional protest song. Which precisely reinforces a fresh, different political potential. One really interesting thing that happened in Spain was how people showed an immense creativity in re-appropriating the strategies of mainstream media, advertising, popular songs, etc., and give them a new political meaning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Another song I really like for this purpose is Moloko's "The time is now", although I'm not sure it's very popular here in the States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9Ke02m_zk "Come on and join the movement/The time is now" or something like that :) Just my 2 cents here. 2011/9/29 Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a
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Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:04:56 PM

I support those, Jackie. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: I dont know what 60s you know. The main movements of the 60s were the civil rights & black power movements which, as with the Panthers, were allied with student/youth movement, as with Students for a Democratic Society. Lets sing the civil rights sons. Lets sing civil rights songs, very sing able, tend to be known, especially by most African-Americans, and have a great message of struggle:

Which Side Are You On Work Up This Morning With My Eyes Stayed On Freedom

Aint Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Roun We Shall Not, We Shall Not Be Moved Keep Your Eyes On The Prize, Hold On This Little Light Of Mine, Im Gonna Let It Shine Oh Freedom . . . Oh Freedom . . .

Lyrics are easily available, and these can be found on CDs by the Freedom Singers and by Pete Seeger. See songbook Rise Up and Sing for lots of great protest songs.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally coopted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically
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links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it.

I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood.

Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective.

solidarity,

Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM

On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets!
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Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:17:02 PM

I'm a younger (19 year old) black guy and I know one of those songs (This Little Light). My point: Teach-in! (Also, apologies on behalf of my generation.) --glj On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: I dont know what 60s you know. The main movements of the 60s were the civil rights & black power movements which, as with the Panthers, were allied with student/youth movement, as with Students for a Democratic Society. Lets sing the civil rights sons. Lets sing civil rights songs, very sing able, tend to be known, especially by most African-Americans, and have a great message of struggle:

Which Side Are You On Work Up This Morning With My Eyes Stayed On Freedom

Aint Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Roun We Shall Not, We Shall Not Be Moved Keep Your Eyes On The Prize, Hold On This Little Light Of Mine, Im Gonna Let It Shine Oh Freedom . . . Oh Freedom . . .

Lyrics are easily available, and these can be found on CDs by the Freedom Singers and by Pete Seeger. See songbook Rise Up and Sing for lots of great protest songs.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

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My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally coopted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it.

I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood.

Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective.

solidarity,

Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM

On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in
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unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:16:25 PM

for once almost don't agree with Jackie not exactly. I agree with Jon as well sort of. We should use Labor Songs, Labor songs adapted by the Civil rights movements is fine(ideally no one is going to listen to this which is fine). I would like to say that culturally the 60s made our society more humane. However economically and this is only very partially because of the new left they sent us backward economically. What I believe is we have to avoided at all costs looking like the 60s and try our best to look like something new. To do this we have to do what tom Haden did in the first place announce and make clear and just put out the as us kids who are silly some times call it "mems" of being different. Solidarity Dave

-----Original Message----From: Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally co-opted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki &lt;witsendnj@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi &lt;jason.ahmadi@gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:30:21 AM

Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?! Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:00:11 PM

I dont know what 60s you know. The main movements of the 60s were the civil rights & black power movements which, as with the Panthers, were allied with student/youth movement, as with Students for a Democratic Society. Lets sing the civil rights sons. Lets sing civil rights songs, very sing able, tend to be known, especially by most African-Americans, and have a great message of struggle:
Which Side Are You On Work Up This Morning With My Eyes Stayed On Freedom

Aint Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Roun We Shall Not, We Shall Not Be Moved Keep Your Eyes On The Prize, Hold On This Little Light Of Mine, Im Gonna Let It Shine Oh Freedom . . . Oh Freedom . . . Lyrics are easily available, and these can be found on CDs by the Freedom Singers and by Pete Seeger. See songbook Rise Up and Sing for lots of great protest songs.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] What is your favorite protest/liberation song?!?!

My big problems with adopting the trappings of the 60s movement is that 1) the 60s revolution failed, and 2) all the art and cultural things surrounding it has been totally coopted for the purposes of making money, 3) we already have enough stuff that thematically links us to the 60s and there are plenty of other awesome movements to connect with, and 4) while it's a cultural touchstone for middle-class white folks and is awesome for bridging the gap between generations within that demographic, it looks absolutely ridiculous to everyone outside it. I like the sentiment of Where is the Love, I think there's just too many lyrics for people to be understood. Something simple, already popular, and NOT related to the 60s hippie movement will have the potential to be fantastically effective. solidarity, Jon On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

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Speaking as a granny, I love taking the All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance and changing peace to whatever - Earth? It fun to sing and add clangy music to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZC7sqImaM On another note, I heard on NPR this am that there is going to be an investigation of the pepper spray incident and that made me realize, I bet I know what was going on (I was right behind the girls) which is, that cop deliberately sought the one girl out because she was marching for much of the way topless (fortunately she had donned it prior to the incident). He's probably kind of a closet perv. and really nasty man. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:49 AM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey lovelies, I've been thinking rather than chanting, it would be really cool if we could all sing in unison on one of our marches. If people like it we could repeat it. I can make copies at my office so if people want to send me their favorite songs for everyone to sing I could print out some lyric sheets! Let's also try and break free from the old school protest songs (even though I am including "we shall overcome") and try some new stuff like "where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas. But don't let that stop you from suggesting those oldies and goodies for me to write down. The grannies shouldn't be the ones having all the fun! Peace and Love, Jason

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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Fwd: OccupyWallSt.org, Live to 50 Million on Ustream Friday, September 30, 2011 1:03:23 PM

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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Is OccupyTVNY the media team"s official site? What are the official feeds? Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:40:53 AM

never heard of it. we just got globalrevolution.tv domain for global revolt channel. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: The recap looked amazing, we need one every day! http://youtu.be/bouY663RzQI Also, do we have a flickr or photo page?

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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:07:12 AM

Make it as broad as possible so a million national conversations can result-- I vote "human need not corporate greed" as they are untied behind for the october2011 occupations.... it will make us stronger to align in such a way with another group who has the same aims as we do. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I agree with almost everything in Alaxandre's statement, but we have a public relations problem born of that original "one demand" language that will not go away. That is why I have been suggesting a direct Demand to The People: We Demand that The People Take Control back from Global Corporations This demand puts the responsibility for change where it belongs, on The People. We need millions of people on the street to change the system in any meaningful way, and it directly calls for the people to act. It lets the people decide later how to define the movement. Principles, policies, demands, and techniques can all be decided as we grow. It does not threaten anyone except the biggest corporations and the politicians that serve them. The part about the global corporations may be more controversial, but I believe that the biggest threat to democracy is the global super class, those corporations and their billionaires, bigger than many countries, extracting wealth from all of the countries simultaneously. These corporations are the same ones that our allies in Spain, Greece, France, Egypt, and all over the world are fighting. The word global can be adjusted later to include more corporations if the people so decide. Please, read the demand again on its own, and see if there is anything in it that you disagree with. Then ask yourself if we could all agree that it would be the right call to action for our movement. Thank you for your patience and impatience, John McGloin

On 09/29/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I can get behind this. But I do believe we need a one-line, real-world answer to the question "Why are we here?" or "What unites us?"

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho <ac3018@nyu.edu> wrote: People of the Movement: As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of

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