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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society.

Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological

memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty

Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words,

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti- oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of grimwomyn

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:11:43 PM

word glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry for the ambiguity; I would be fully behind these, despite the fact that I may not see them as completely perfect. That is my point; the slightly imperfect is better than nothing.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM, L. W. Wind < play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:

I would have a preference on agreeing on everything, rather then continuing to

disagree

..

remember we will not get all ourt demands met

..

get some of them!

but

we may very well

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

E is a bit of a paper tiger, and I'm not entirely sure about C and F, but i would be SO PUMPED if the GA passed this. Superawesomes.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

 

OUR VISION:

1.

Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

2.

Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the

people;

3.

Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and

economic justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street.

c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital

gains at the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political

candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with

the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest

livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum

profit to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into

levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites.

Labor and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure

has declined

...

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

burst once more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative ellaboration of our collective thougts. I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have not been talking past each other have learned a lot. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society

transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and changing

social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty

Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous:

every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow

--

-Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of Gabriel Johnson

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:11:06 PM

Sorry for the ambiguity; I would be fully behind these, despite the fact that I may not see them as completely perfect. That is my point; the slightly imperfect is better than nothing.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM, L. W. Wind < play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:

I would have a preference on agreeing on everything, rather then continuing to

disagree

remember we will not get all ourt demands met

.. get some of them!

..

but

we may very well

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

E is a bit of a paper tiger, and I'm not entirely sure about C and F, but i would be SO PUMPED if the GA passed this. Superawesomes.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

 

OUR VISION:

1.

Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

2.

Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the

people;

3.

Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and

economic justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and

huge medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from

commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street. c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital gains

at the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29,

2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites.

Labor and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure

has declined

...

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to

burst once more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and changing social

practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty Square is

slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott- Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of

the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or

replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan.

--

-Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of Jon Good

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:27:40 PM

Does somebody (not me, I'll be out of town all weekend and have done enough meddling anyhow) want to propose this to the GA? I am, of course, totally open to amendments, further specific demands, etc.

Awesome,

Jon

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, grimwomyn < grimwomyn@gmail.com > wrote:

word glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry for the ambiguity; I would be fully behind these, despite the fact that I may not see them as completely perfect. That is my point; the slightly imperfect is better than nothing.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM, L. W. Wind < play.reality@gmail.com> wrote:

I would have a preference on agreeing on everything, rather then continuing

to disagree

remember we will not get all ourt demands met

.. well get some of them!

..

but

we may very

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

E is a bit of a paper tiger, and I'm not entirely sure about C and F, but i would be SO PUMPED if the GA passed this. Superawesomes.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

OUR VISION:

  • 1. Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

  • 2. Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the

people;

  • 3. Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and

economic justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending

and huge medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall

Street. c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital

gains at the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be

people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to

political candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal

footing with the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing

honest livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29,

2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ...

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites.

Labor and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out

pressure has declined

...

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is

about to burst once more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho"

wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society

transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and

changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of

support.
support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor

unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same

supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a

broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands

or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very

ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us:

in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution

is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209

--

-Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:17:48 PM

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching

"demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor and

other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has declined

and

... mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative ellaboration

of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have not

been talking past each other have learned a lot. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually

it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the

dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad
have a broad
base of support.
base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor unions

finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice.

Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren,

revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self- legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow

mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of Gabriel Johnson

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:30:08 PM

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching

"demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor and

other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has declined

...

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once more, so, who

cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms.

Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the

dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a
have a

broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor

unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous:

every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close- ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice.

Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren,

revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self- legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

To:

Subject:

Date:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:45:01 PM

I love the idea below its perfect

..

this

is what im speaking of

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching

"demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor and

other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has declined

and

... mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative

ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have

not been talking past each other have learned a lot. Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms.

Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the

dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a
have a

broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor

unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous:

every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close- ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self- legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds

--

-Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:49:53 PM

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

OUR VISION:

  • 1. Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

  • 2. Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;

  • 3. Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and economic

justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge

medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street.

c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital gains at the

same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political

candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest

livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit to

shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

"demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor

and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has

declined

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once

... more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative

ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have

not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better

society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the

dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a
have a

broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with

labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti- oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of grimwomyn

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:53:07 PM

twinkling my fingers in agreement--

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

OUR VISION:

  • 1. Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

  • 2. Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;

  • 3. Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and economic

justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge

medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street.

c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital gains at

the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political

candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest

livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit

to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17

PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one

overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor

and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has

declined

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once

... more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative

ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who

have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that

beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of Sahar Vahidi

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:53:49 PM

Perfect

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

OUR VISION:

  • 1. Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

  • 2. Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;

  • 3. Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and economic

justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge

medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street.

c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital gains at

the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political

candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest

livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit

to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17

PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one

overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor

and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has

declined

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once

... more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative

ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who

have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that

beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

behalf of Gabriel Johnson

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:58:29 PM

E is a bit of a paper tiger, and I'm not entirely sure about C and F, but i would be SO PUMPED if the GA passed this. Superawesomes.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

OUR VISION:

  • 1. Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

  • 2. Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;

  • 3. Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and economic

justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge

medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street.

c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital gains at

the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political

candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest

livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit

to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17

PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one

overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites. Labor

and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure has

declined

...

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst once

more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative

ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who

have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly reaching that

beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:08:32 PM

I would have a preference on agreeing on everything, rather then continuing to

disagree

..

remember we will not get all ourt demands met

..

some of them!

but

we may very well get

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote:

E is a bit of a paper tiger, and I'm not entirely sure about C and F, but i would be SO PUMPED if the GA passed this. Superawesomes.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

JEM said: " I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:"

This was from me, I think.

OUR GOAL: End Corporate Control

OUR VISION:

  • 1. Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich;

  • 2. Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;

  • 3. Build a society free from oppression, with opportunities, jobs, and

economic justice for all

OUR DEMANDS:

  • a. Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and

huge medical bills. b.Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. Separate investment banking from commercial banking and stop gambling peoples’ savings on Wall Street.

c.Introduce a Robin Hood tax on all securities transfers now. Tax all financial transactions like tangible goods, using a sales tax.

  • d. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Tax capital gains at

the same rate as income tax.

  • e. End corporate personhood. Corporations are not and will never be people.

  • f. Radically reform the electoral system. Ban all corporate funding to political

candidates and allow new political groups compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.

  • g. Create a national jobs program. Focus the economy on providing honest

livelihoods for as many people as possible, rather than returning maximum profit

to shareholders.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson < gabjoh2@gmail.com>

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

wrote:

This, this, ten thousand times this.

It's going to be a fun exercise (and by "fun", I here mean "difficult") trying to balance different people's ideological viewpoints putting this together, but it's necessary, in my opinion.

--glj

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

  • I can't remember who I stole this idea from, but we should have our "demands" broken out into levels

so that people can access them at the level of detail they are comfortable with. For some people one

overarching "demand" is too simple. For others along list of demands withexplanantions is way to complicated. Some people would like a few broad principles. We should have all three:

Our One Big Demand

Principle 1 ... Principle 2 ... Principle 3 ...

Detailed Demand 1 ... Detailed Demand 2 ... Detailed Demand 3 ... etc

This way people that want a soundbite can get a soundbite People that want to know what we believe in can see our principles And People that want to know exactly what we plan to do can read all of the demands

Thank you for your patience, and your impatience, John

On 09/29/11, Cesar< wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

  • I agee with you in many ways, particularly in re du cing our thougts to sound bites.

Labor and other organizations are joining, so, the reach out pressure

has declined

...

and

mainstream media credibility bubble is about to burst

once more, so, who cares.

Nevertheless, we should strive for a mechanism that will allow for the participatory and cooperative ellaboration of our collective thougts.

  • I very much think that we should initiate a calmed discussion about all this at the GA. Those of us who have not been talking past each other have learned a lot.

Cesar Sent from phone

On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:24 AM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society

transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society. Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological memes and changing social practices,

they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty Square is slowly

reaching that beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

--

Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH

2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds

--

-Ms. Wind

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

From:

To:

Subject:

Re: Re: [september17discuss] A Call for Emancipation from the "One Line Demand" Meme - OccupyEverywhere

Date:

Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:59:46 AM

I agree with almost everything in Alaxandre's statement, but we have a public relations problem born of that original "one demand" language that will not go away. That is why I have been suggesting a direct Demand to The People:

We Demand that The People Take Control back from Global Corporations

This demand puts the responsibility for change where it belongs, on The People. We need millions of people on the street to change the system in any meaningful way, and it directly calls for the people to act. It lets the people decide later how to define the movement. Principles, policies, demands, and techniques can all be decided as we grow. It does not threaten anyone except the biggest corporations and the politicians that serve them.

The part about the global corporations may be more controversial, but I believe that the biggest threat to democracy is the global super class, those corporations and their billionaires, bigger than many countries, extracting wealth from all of the countries simultaneously. These corporations are the same ones that our allies in Spain, Greece, France, Egypt, and all over the world are fighting. The word global can be adjusted later to include more corporations if the people so decide.

Please, read the demand again on its own , and see if there is anything in it that you disagree with. Then ask yourself if we could all agree that it would be the right call to action for our movement.

Thank you for your patience and impatience, John McGloin

On 09/29/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:

I can get behind this. But I do believe we need a one-line, real-world answer to the question "Why are we here?" or "What unites us?"

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho < ac3018@nyu.edu > wrote:

People of the Movement:

As someone who is deeply involved in this movement, who was arrested two times because of it, slept on the park repeatedly, and gave all hours of every single day to this grand effort, as well as witnessed many fellow brothers and sisters being harrassed, falling sick, pepper sprayed, and other abuses, i can't be silent anymore regarding the discussion of a "One Line Demand". I deeply respect Adbusters for sparking this with a great idea to occupy wall street. Nonetheless, i believe no one is the proprietor of this movement and in absolute should speak as the spokesperson for the masses. The recent publication at occupywallst.org of a list of demands, even though a plurality of demands, was a violation of solidarity. Simply because it was done for the people instead of with the people. I know that the intention wasn't to speak on behalf of all, but the newspapers quickly grasped it as the voice of the movement, which pardon my insistence, it is NOT.

Myself and many others who are living it on the ground and across the virtual sphere feel that a "One Line Demand" is jeopardizing the amazing work we have done so far and is stopping us from imagining better

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com

alternatives - or rather, this one line plague is blinding people to the possibility of a better world that is happening right before their eyes at Liberty Square.

Let me explain. A social movement is different than a protest, in the same way that a demand is different than a purpose. A demand/protest is by its very nature willing to work within the framework of the given, while a social movement is more: it is an agitation, a flux forward in response to dire oppression whose roots in society run much deeper. Protests are tangible and specific, usually built around a specific legislation on the table; when the vote is cast, for better or worse it dissipates in thin air, with business as usual returning. This is a reformist approach . The question that must be asked is if the crisis of our times will ever be solved with a specific and tangible "one line demand". Even if the one line "demand" is as bold as "Overthrow Capitalism" or "End Corporate Personhood". Not only that, demands pressupose that someone else has power and you have none, which is not the case in Liberty Square. And yes, the wording matters here, because we seem to be in pursuit of a language of rupture and not of conformism.

A movement is characterized by stubborn people that won't stop until society transforms. Usually it rallies around principles of solidarity and people embody their vision of a better society.

Movements keep pressure over time, and in order to be successful at recycling the dominant pathological

memes and changing social practices, they must grow and

have a broad base of support.

Liberty

Square is slowly reaching that beautiful moment, with labor unions finally joining in and demonstrating solidarity; we are doing the same supporting their struggles. At this moment, insisting on a misguided "one line demand" discussion is dangerous: every successful movement must have a broad base of support, not a narrow one, and one line demands or even a short list of demands is narrowing. It is close-ended instead of open-ended. It restricts instead of liberating.

At liberty Square, we have queer groups, labor unions, environmentalists, human rights activists, artists, homeless people, animals (yes, we love them), undocumented immigrants, foodies, mentally ill patients, and a bunch of other groups that are lending their voice and support to our common struggle, which is a human struggle against oppression in all its forms. Somehow, through the participatory democratic process that is being exercised at the General Assembly, these voices feel that they can be heard and their strength thus amplified, and that is why they are showing up. By all means, not because of a list of demands or worse, a "one line demand". I invite people to experience the thrill of the square and see it for themselves.

A movement requires patience and diligence , not the absurdity of rushing demands just to please the anxiety of mainstream media. Because we have their pathological attention span for now are we settling for this? Please don't trust that thought. Let's aim for something better for ourselves. I guarantee that they will come back to cover our work as we continue to grow stronger. If not, well, then i invite people to remember the poet's words: "the revolution will not be televised" (Thanks Gil Scott-Heron). Let's listen to the poet.

Speaking of revolution, these happen when a movement breaks off the cozy order of the status quo due to strength of numbers. A revolution, such as the first American revolution, was the realization that true emancipation can never happen through the present dominant institutions, because they are the very ones that generate or replicate the hierarchies of injustice. Same applies for us: in the end, if we really want to change the world for our grandchildren, revolution is what we have to push for, not reformist games. Specially in days where capital flows beyond borders ...

OccupyEverywhere. The General Assemblies that are popping up all over America and the world are a clear sign of a beautiful new possibility: local participatory democracy that can self-legislate and operate; cooperate; and ultimately thrive. When and if coordinated, we can push for the stars. At Liberty Square, we already won. We liberated a space, a territoriality, and are building alternatives together. All of this done without fancy documents or tailored "one line demands". Our actions speak louder than our words, and the whole world is watching precisely because it feels that what we are doing is different than politics or business as usual.

The general assembly is channeling a plurality of voices and uniting struggles in solidarity. We need much more a set of values and principles of solidarity (which we already have a draft of this living document at nycga.net ) where these oppressed voices can rally around in the audacious task of dreaming a better society. And as they join us and we join them, we fight together for the goals that appear on the square and reivent political agency

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as a way of life. The General Assemblies are the convergence channel of anti-oppression voices, can't we realize that?

Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity.

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2009 Reynolds Fellow

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Friday, September 30, 2011 5:10:30 PM

Not as bad as claiming Radiohead would play to draw 4000 people. Get ready for the backlash ...

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:05 PM, grimwomyn < grimwomyn@gmail.com > wrote:

I would advise distancing ourselves as far away from this guy, regardless what the truth is, the perception of him is damaging if he is associated with the movement.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:03 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

> Did anybody know this guy before he collapsed on the street in front of > bank of america? > > > On 09/28/11, Tarak Kauff< takauff@gmail.com > wrote:

> Please, who believes anything from Glenn Beck? I have no idea about this > particular case but Glenn Beck - he lies like a rug. > On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:

>

>

>

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Yup. Who did that?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Gary Roland < opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote:

Not as bad as claiming Radiohead would play to draw 4000 people. Get ready for the backlash ...

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:05 PM, grimwomyn < grimwomyn@gmail.com > wrote:

I would advise distancing ourselves as far away from this guy, regardless what the truth is, the perception of him is damaging if he is associated with the movement.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:03 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

> Did anybody know this guy before he collapsed on the street in front of > bank of america? > > > On 09/28/11, Tarak Kauff< takauff@gmail.com > wrote:

> Please, who believes anything from Glenn Beck? I have no idea about this > particular case but Glenn Beck - he lies like a rug. > On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:

>

>

>

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Did anybody know this guy before he collapsed on the street in front of bank of america?

On 09/28/11, Tarak Kauff<takauff@gmail.com> wrote:

Please, who believes anything from Glenn Beck? I have no idea about this particular case but Glenn Beck - he lies like a rug. On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:

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Yeah, it was lots of fun. He's real supportive, broadcast on Lawrence's show from down here a couple days ago.

JAM

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:03 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

It was announced this morning on MSNBC by Chris Hayes on his UP show. He did about half of the show on Occupy Wall St, mostly supportive and half the show on the class war being waged on regular people.

On 10/01/11, Kelley Wolcott< misskellz@gmail.com > wrote:

Is it ok to announce it in GA tonight? I would like to be able to give a labor report and encourage everyone to attend the DC 37 rally on Tues. and the Beyond May 12th Coalition march on Wednesday.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:09 PM, J Wedes < jwedes@gmail.com > wrote:

tweeting now.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Kelley Wolcott < misskellz@gmail.com > wrote:

Wonderful news! Very exciting!

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Ben < bf0189@gmail.com > wrote:

Will do!

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM, J.A. Myerson < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > wrote:

> Yup. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Ben < bf0189@gmail.com > wrote:

>> >> Can we tweet it yet? (@OccupyWallSt) Thanks >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:36 PM, J Wedes < jwedes@gmail.com > wrote:

>> > >> > Awesome. Keep it up yall >> > >> > On Sep 30, 2011 11:32 PM, "Gary Roland" < opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >> Great job guys ... >> >> >> >> ~GARY >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM, gail zawacki < witsendnj@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:

>> >>> >> >>> You're right, sorry, I had it mixed up with this one:

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>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:04 PM, J.A. Myerson >> >>> < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > >> >>> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >>>> No you didn't. The vote didn't even happen until 1:30 or so. >> >>>> >> >>>> JAM >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:38 PM, gail zawacki < witsendnj@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote:

>> >>>>> >> >>>>> It IS wonderful but I read that story this morning on HuffPo! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM, J.A. Myerson >> >>>>> < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > wrote:

>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi, all. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If you haven't heard: today, 1199, the largest local union in the >> >>>>>> country, voted unanimously to support us. THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL >> >>>>>> until >> >>>>>> tomorrow morning. The 1199 press team is working with us on media >> >>>>>> roll-out >> >>>>>> and agreed that I should break the story tomorrow on Up with Chris >> >>>>>> Hayes on >> >>>>>> MSNBC (big platform, very pro-labor host, &c.) -- tune in and then >> >>>>>> let's >> >>>>>> play this up big. Here's their statement. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> “On Friday, September 30th, 1199 SEIU’s executive leadership voted >> >>>>>>> unanimously to support the Wall Street protesters demand that >> >>>>>>> corporate >> >>>>>>> America be held accountable for the current economic crisis. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Corporations and the wealthy should pay the fair share in taxes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> owe to middle-class Americans so this country can get back to >> >>>>>>> work. We need >> >>>>>>> jobs, not cuts. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 1199 SEIU is the largest healthcare workers union in NY. It >> >>>>>>> represents over 350,000 workers in NY, NJ, MA, MD, Washington D.C. >> >>>>>>> and FL.” >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> This support is going to be amazing: 1 week's worth of food, RNs to >> >>>>>> train our medical team, the formulation and development of a >> >>>>>> committee to >> >>>>>> liaise with us, continued support as conditions change, >> >>>>>> mobilization on >> >>>>>> actions, a motion to the Central Labor Council to recruit other >> >>>>>> labor >> >>>>>> support -- the works! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We ought to be awfully proud of this one; 1199 is one of the great

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>> >>>>>> organizations working for justice and equality in America (it was >> >>>>>> Dr. King's >> >>>>>> favorite union, while he lived). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In solidarity! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> JAM >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> J.A. Myerson >> >>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >> >>>>>> 347.688.0241 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> J.A. Myerson >> >>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >> >>>> 347.688.0241 >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > J.A. Myerson > http://www.jamyerson.com > 347.688.0241 >

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It was announced this morning on MSNBC by Chris Hayes on his UP show. He did about half of the show on Occupy Wall St, mostly supportive and half the show on the class war being waged on regular people.

On 10/01/11, Kelley Wolcott<misskellz@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it ok to announce it in GA tonight? I would like to be able to give a labor report and encourage everyone to attend the DC 37 rally on Tues. and the Beyond May 12th Coalition march on Wednesday.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:09 PM, J Wedes < jwedes@gmail.com > wrote:

tweeting now.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Kelley Wolcott < misskellz@gmail.com > wrote:

Wonderful news! Very exciting!

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Ben < bf0189@gmail.com > wrote:

Will do!

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM, J.A. Myerson < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > wrote:

> Yup. > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Ben < bf0189@gmail.com > wrote:

>> >> Can we tweet it yet? (@OccupyWallSt) Thanks >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:36 PM, J Wedes < jwedes@gmail.com > wrote:

>> > >> > Awesome. Keep it up yall >> > >> > On Sep 30, 2011 11:32 PM, "Gary Roland" < opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >> Great job guys ... >> >> >> >> ~GARY >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM, gail zawacki < witsendnj@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:

>> >>> >> >>> You're right, sorry, I had it mixed up with this one:

>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/nyc-transit-union-joins-o_n_987156.html >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:04 PM, J.A. Myerson >> >>> < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > >> >>> wrote:

>> >>>>

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>> >>>> No you didn't. The vote didn't even happen until 1:30 or so. >> >>>> >> >>>> JAM >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:38 PM, gail zawacki < witsendnj@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote:

>> >>>>> >> >>>>> It IS wonderful but I read that story this morning on HuffPo! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM, J.A. Myerson >> >>>>> < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > wrote:

>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi, all. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If you haven't heard: today, 1199, the largest local union in the >> >>>>>> country, voted unanimously to support us. THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL >> >>>>>> until >> >>>>>> tomorrow morning. The 1199 press team is working with us on media >> >>>>>> roll-out >> >>>>>> and agreed that I should break the story tomorrow on Up with Chris >> >>>>>> Hayes on >> >>>>>> MSNBC (big platform, very pro-labor host, &c.) -- tune in and then >> >>>>>> let's >> >>>>>> play this up big. Here's their statement. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> “On Friday, September 30th, 1199 SEIU’s executive leadership voted >> >>>>>>> unanimously to support the Wall Street protesters demand that >> >>>>>>> corporate >> >>>>>>> America be held accountable for the current economic crisis. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Corporations and the wealthy should pay the fair share in taxes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> owe to middle-class Americans so this country can get back to >> >>>>>>> work. We need >> >>>>>>> jobs, not cuts. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 1199 SEIU is the largest healthcare workers union in NY. It >> >>>>>>> represents over 350,000 workers in NY, NJ, MA, MD, Washington D.C. >> >>>>>>> and FL.” >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> This support is going to be amazing: 1 week's worth of food, RNs to >> >>>>>> train our medical team, the formulation and development of a >> >>>>>> committee to >> >>>>>> liaise with us, continued support as conditions change, >> >>>>>> mobilization on >> >>>>>> actions, a motion to the Central Labor Council to recruit other >> >>>>>> labor >> >>>>>> support -- the works! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We ought to be awfully proud of this one; 1199 is one of the great >> >>>>>> organizations working for justice and equality in America (it was >> >>>>>> Dr. King's >> >>>>>> favorite union, while he lived). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In solidarity! >> >>>>>>

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>> >>>>>> JAM >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> J.A. Myerson >> >>>>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >> >>>>>> 347.688.0241 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> J.A. Myerson >> >>>> http://www.jamyerson.com >> >>>> 347.688.0241 >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > J.A. Myerson > http://www.jamyerson.com > 347.688.0241 >

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Re: Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official]

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Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:12:47 AM

If I had time I would form a find-all-of-the-messaging-groups working group! We now have a Journal that will also be putting out messages, I'm sure. The email for the group that put out the 'grievances list' that was excepted by the GA is c2anycga@gmail.com. They are not against modifying their language if they like your argument. One group putting out demands is the open-source working group. I'm not sure how to contact them, except that one of them is almost always at the GA since the first day. I should know his name, but he has long hair, a goatee, and very colorful tights. There are groups forming demands on the occupywallst.com and another one on nycga.cc If any of you can unify this it would be helpful. If they started putting out demands that contradicted each other that would look bad, imo.

John

On 10/01/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

I do not have an answer about the group that meets about demands and points of solidarity, and that is a problem because we have many groups that are not connected with each other, and it is not clear that the documents that we are discussing are made available online. I have not seen the online version of the principles of solidarity. Perhaps it is posted somewhere, or was submitted to the mail list and I missed it. I think that those of you interested in the economical aspects should setup a team ASAP. Cesar

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Doug Singsen < dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd love to. When and where is the group that is working on demands and points of solidarity meeting?

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco < wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

Doug,

We should be able to modify our documents, and it would be wise to do so at this early stage. Indeed the points that you are raising are very important. I urge you to team with those interested and elaborate a modification that addresses the issues raised. Cesar

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Doug Singsen < dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm very glad that we have this, and overall it's very good, but it's missing one big thing: there is no mention of how Wall Street created the economic crisis that destroyed millions of jobs, and how Wall Street was bailed out of its crisis by cutting vital public services! Any chance we can get that added? I realize that this list is not meant to include every grievance, but this is incredibly important and central to the damage done by Wall Street specifically, as opposed to capitalism as a whole. Frankly, we would not be occupying Liberty Park now if it weren't for the economic crisis - that's what set all this in motion. To not include it here seems like a major omission, and may make it harder to do outreach to the public sector unions that have started supporting us.

Doug

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, gail zawacki < witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

Love it!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar < wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents. Cesar

Sent from phone

On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew < dhornbein@gmail.com > wrote:

spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780

print for saturday

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Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:09:08 PM

tweeted!

Five Things That #OccupyWallStreet Has Done Right via @DissentMagazine

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

--

Diane Sare

cell: 201-220-7731

5 things occupy wall st did right

On 10/01/11, diane sare< dwsare@gmail.com > wrote:

A few thoughts:

  • 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar

  • 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain

that it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people.

  • 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so

massive, they can hardly be exaggerated

  • 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and

more of them will be with us.

(I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made cowards of us all.")

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew < dhornbein@gmail.com > wrote:

I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments ...

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Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:58:07 PM

5 things occupy wall st did right

On 10/01/11, diane sare<dwsare@gmail.com> wrote:

A few thoughts:

  • 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar

  • 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain that it

foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people.

  • 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so massive,

they can hardly be exaggerated

  • 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and more

of them will be with us.

(I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made cowards of us all.")

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew < dhornbein@gmail.com > wrote:

I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments ...

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Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:14:05 AM

yes +1000000000000000000000000000

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

> 'Human Need not Corporate Greed' is giid for me. > > > On 09/29/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the > october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far > reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than > umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to > DC. > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ashley Anderson > <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

>> >> I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I like >> all the demands thus far, and I defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty >> critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an >> "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right? >> I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually >> exclusive. >> This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment >> to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will >> be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy >> Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, >> but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I >> always thought that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the >> strategy. >> Just my $.02 >> >> Ashley Anderson >> Director >> Peaceful Uprising >> 801-652-2971 | >> Tw | Fb >> Core Principles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >> wrote:

>>> >>> Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest. >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> >>>> did you not see this article:

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>>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>> >>>>> Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---- Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> > A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they >>>>> > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. >>>>> > >>>>> > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in >>>>> > the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them >>>>> > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore >>>>> > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be >>>>> > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is >>>>> > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that >>>>> > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). >>>>> > >>>>> > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove >>>>> > corporate >>>>> > control. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> J.A. Myerson >>> http://www.jamyerson.com >>> 347.688.0241 >> > >

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'Human Need not Corporate Greed' is giid for me.

On 09/29/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to suggest again that we at least consider adopting the october2011 demand "Human Need not Corporate Greed" it is broad and far reaching and everything we have discussed as a concern fits under than umbrella, and symbolically we join with our brothers and sisters going to DC.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ashley Anderson < ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:

I have heard a lot of talk about the "lack of a demand" at #OWS. I like all the demands thus far, and I

defend them fiercely to the fearful lefty critics. But they're right to point out that an ultimatum is implied with an "occupation." Otherwise, it's a demonstration, right?

I'm not sure why having one demand / many reasons to rise up are mutually exclusive.

This occupation could pick a winnable demand and use the spotlight moment to continue pushing for all the great things it is talking about. There will be more occupations, more demands, and more victories if the tale of Occupy Wall Street can create something solid. We won't get it all in one sitting, but we will get it all if we make a habit of drawing a line in the sand. I always thought

that the "one demand" was the most brilliant part of the strategy.

Just my $.02

Ashley Anderson

Director

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, J.A. Myerson < jesse.myerson@gmail.com > wrote:

Yeah, it's as though MoJo has never been to a protest.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn < grimwomyn@gmail.com > wrote:

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:21 AM, < jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com > wrote:

Clarify- what left groups? what exactly is feared?

> A lot of the traditional left is not taking us seriously because they > expect exactly what Justine mentioned she feared. > > Also, regarding food, didn't we have an offer for a huge kitchen in

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> the city? If we can get support from small farmers and support them > back it would be a boon. Hell, if we could just take over and restore > some abandoned building in Lower Manhattan as a home base it would be > a boon (we could call it urban renewal, since it's exactly what it is > and most of these abandoned buildings have been for long enough that > often nobody is sure about "legal" ownership anyway). > > A platform based on only lofty electoral reform won't remove corporate > control.

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Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion

Date:

Friday, September 30, 2011 6:07:28 PM

I can't meet but please let me know what you guys talk about. I have refined my demands down to:

"Get off the couch, get informed, and take responsibility for your world." :)

Just throwing that out there.

John

On 09/30/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to join this group as well. The anti-police brutality demo is today at 5:30, we should meet at a time that won't overlap with it.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Amin Husain < amin.husain@gmail.com > wrote:

I am!

Want to meet at 5 pm today?

On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Bralow < mbralow@gmail.com > wrote:

> silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the > guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of > nyc? when do you meet? who is point person i can contact? thanks in > advance! matt > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar < wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Back to the drawing board. >> I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence,

>> vision statement

?)

and process (subgroups, online,paper boards ...

)

... >> inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion >> should continue in parallel. >> I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA. >> We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex >> pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that. >> Cesar >> >> Sent from phone >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

>> >> What causes unify us? What are actual things we all can agree are >> important? Things that we can do now. These demands will be our first >> steps. Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING) of these things cause problems >> for anyone? What else can we agree on that are like these? >> FIRST STEPS:

>> >> Get the influence of money out of politics >> End military aggression abroad >> Bring financial predators to justice >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ < cunderscoreg@gmail.com > wrote:

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>>>

>>> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a >>> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other >>> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for >>> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages, >>> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two, >>> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly >>> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably >>> have a great deal of popular support. >>>

>>> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

...

wrote:

>>>>

On 09/26/11,Amin Husain< amin.husain@gmail.com >wrote:All,

>>>> >>>> I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty >>>> Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with >>>> all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that >>>> process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the >>>> Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment >>>> on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a >>>> consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of >>>> the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If >>>> so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult >>>> GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned >>>> we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest >>>> of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have >>>> proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves >>>> with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment >>>> and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions >>>> as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA,

>>>> from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the >>>> body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great >>>> damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will >>>> not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and

>>>> we can figure this out.

I will say this.

Let us not panic or get

>>>> frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as >>>> soon as possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Amin >>

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Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion

Date:

Friday, September 30, 2011 4:21:32 PM

I am very interested in this also. There are many groups working on messages now including a group that got their message through the GA last night (Its on the nycga.cc website and they can be reached at c2anycga@gmail.com ). There is also the open source working group who is working on a set of demands, whcih I think has been posted on this listserve. I think there is anothoer group discussing messageing on occupywallst.com

On 09/30/11, Cesar<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to join too, and I think that all groups that have been working in statements of all shorts should get together to consolidate process. Cesar

Sent from phone

On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Doug Singsen < dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to join this group as well. The anti-police brutality demo is today at 5:30, we should meet at a time that won't overlap with it.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Amin Husain < amin.husain@gmail.com > wrote:

I am!

Want

to meet at 5 pm today?

On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Bralow < mbralow@gmail.com > wrote:

> silly question, but is there a dedicated working group for the > guiding/principles / points of unity / declaration of occupation of > nyc? when do you meet? who is point person i can contact? thanks in > advance! matt > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Cesar < wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Back to the drawing board. >> I think we should try to focus in format (bulleted points, one sentence,

>> vision statement

...

?)

and process (subgroups, online,paper boards

...

)

>> inorder to keep moving slowly but steadily forward. The content discussion >> should continue in parallel. >> I do not see any shorcut, but to decide each step of the process at the GA. >> We may end up with a system that will allow the elaboration of complex >> pronouncements by a process of collective thought. Let's brainstorm that. >> Cesar >> >> Sent from phone >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jon Good < therealjongood@gmail.com > wrote:

>>

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>> What causes unify us? What are actual things we all can agree are

>> important? Things that we can do now. These demands will be our first

>> steps. Does the sentiment (NOT THE WORDING) of these things cause problems

>> for anyone? What else can we agree on that are like these?

>> FIRST STEPS:

>>

>> Get the influence of money out of politics

>> End military aggression abroad

>> Bring financial predators to justice

>>

>>

>>

>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Chris _ < cunderscoreg@gmail.com > wrote:

>>>

>>> I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a

>>> True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other

>>> foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for

>>> these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages,

>>> student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two,

>>> theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly

>>> helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably

>>> have a great deal of popular support.

>>>

>>> On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, @verizon.net

jemcgl wrote:

>>>> +1

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

On 09/26/11,Amin Husain< amin.husain@gmail.com >wrote:All,

>>>>

>>>> I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty

>>>> Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with

>>>> all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that

>>>> process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the

>>>> Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment

>>>> on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a

>>>> consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of

>>>> the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If

>>>> so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult

>>>> GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned

>>>> we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest

>>>> of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have

>>>> proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves

>>>> with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment

>>>> and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions

>>>> as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA,

>>>> from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the

>>>> body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great

>>>> damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will

>>>> not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and

>>>> we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get

>>>> frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as

>>>> soon as possible.

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>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Amin

>>

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Re: Re: [september17discuss] The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site

Date:

Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:39:48 PM

link to livestream on nytimes please

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM,

On live stream someone just said "If the cops want to arrest some protesters now they are going to have to go

through the marines. Lets see them mace some decorated Iraq War vets."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

sorry make that the '

...

city

room artcle

"

...

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site in the city blog article on the Bkln Bridge arrests.

On 10/01/11, J Wedes< jwedes@gmail.com > wrote:

tweeted!

Five Things That #OccupyWallStreet Has Done Right via @DissentMagazine

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

5 things occupy wall st did right

On 10/01/11, diane sare< dwsare@gmail.com > wrote:

A few thoughts:

  • 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar

  • 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain

that it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people.

  • 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so

massive, they can hardly be exaggerated

  • 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and

more of them will be with us.

(I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will

assert that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to

be determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath

made cowards of us all.")

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew < dhornbein@gmail.com > wrote:

I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments ...

--

Diane Sare

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Date:

Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:27:53 PM

On live stream someone just said "If the cops want to arrest some protesters now they are going to have to go

through the marines. Lets see them mace some decorated Iraq War vets."

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

sorry make that the '

...

city

room artcle

"

...

On 10/01/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

The live stream is watchable on the NY Times web site in the city blog article on the Bkln Bridge arrests.

On 10/01/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:

tweeted!

Five Things That #OccupyWallStreet Has Done Right via @DissentMagazine

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, < jemcgloin@verizon.net > wrote:

5 things occupy wall st did right

On 10/01/11, diane sare< dwsare@gmail.com > wrote:

A few thoughts:

  • 1. It's true, Glen Beck is a liar

  • 2. Whether the institution in question foreclosed on his parents' home or not, we can be reasonably certain that

it foreclosed on a whole bunch of other people.

  • 3. Obviously we should always try to present our case truthfully, since the crimes of Wall Street are so

massive, they can hardly be exaggerated

  • 4. DOn't worry about "perception" -- just stick to the truth and as things worsen for our neighbors, more and

more of them will be with us.

(I have been organizing with Lyndon LaROuche for 23 years, when he was in jail in the 80's etc., and will assert

that part of the reason that we are in this mess, is that so many people have allowed their opinions to be

determined by what the media wants them to think that everybody else thinks, that "conscience hath made

cowards of us all.")

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Drew < dhornbein@gmail.com > wrote:

I made the mistake of taking a look at the comments ...

--

Diane Sare

cell: 201-220-7731

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Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:09:54 AM

You should have gotten an invitation send a message to the group so that I can see that its working. If you want

someones individual email click details in the header.

On 09/29/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Yoni Golijov < aycofspades@gmail.com > wrote:

can anyone invite people to the group? / how does one get added? thanks!

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Doug Singsen < dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

You need to find the google groups homepage for the group and then you can unsubscribe from there.

We should add unsubscribe instructions to the bottom of each email. One of the listserv managers has to do

that by going into the group's settings.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 AM, < flux@fluxview.com > wrote:

how can I get off this list.

it's too much traffic for my box.

Solidarity,

~ FluxRostrum

Current Project

Home Base

Quoting NicolasMoselleAllen < allenicolas@gmail.com>:

> preach it, brother!

>

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Siddattha Gurung

>> I want to stamp out the word 'innovation' from the fucking english language

>> along with 'job creators' and 'welfare-queens', or atleast prevent it from

>> being used in policy issue debates and economics. Its fucking worthless to

>> use such language since it doesn't mean shit. FedEx did not become the giant

>> it did due to 'innovation', it did so through union busting, tax dodging and

>> outright fraud (you could call those 'innovations' if you would like). Apple

>> didnt become the giant it did through innovation, it did so through union

>> busting, sweatshop workers, tax dodging and outright copyright theft (along

>> with a snazzy advertisement scheme, which you could call 'innovation').

>>

>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Siddattha Gurung < gurus655@newschool.edu >

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Let me say this more clearly. The issue of USPS budget shortfalls is a

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>>> fucking made up issue that was forced upon the USPS by congressional law