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Who Is Facing Judgment?

Hi Thanks.

You have given me a lot to digest.

Regarding what Jesus said in Matt 24 saying to the women who were weeping for
Him. Jesus said not to weep for Him but for yourselves and your children for what is
going to come upon you. I am paraphrasing here. Also He said to the High priest
that he would see the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds which I was taught
based on the OT apocalyptic language coming in clouds can mean Jesus coming in
judgment of Israel and to them that crucified Him and rejected Him. That is why
Jesus was struck by the high priest.
So I am to take that you are saying what happened in 70 A.D. wasn't God coming in
judgment so what was it?

Doesn't God come in judgment now of nations as He has shown in the OT ?

So am I to understand that God is judging His own (elect) now and judgment will
come later for the called as well as the unbelievers in the lake of fire?

I am just finding out that God is no respecter of persons. In my studies just the past
few days realizing that the Jews are not God's chosen people as Christendom has
taught. I don't have my Bible in front of me, but it is clear that God's people are the
ones that believe in HIm. His own. IN Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek. So it isn't
race that makes you chosen. Race has nothing to do with it. One is not a Jew
outwardly. And even Abraham was not a Jew but from Babylon. So much for the title
the father of the Jews. And most christians today see Israel as a nation chosen by
God that cannot do any wrong. And the US supports Israel with billions because of
this false belief. They think the US will be blessed and looking at the US now - this
country has gone down the tubes in many ways. Doesn't look like the blessings from

And what is so depressing is how corrupt and evil our government is. Or any man
made institution.

So what does that mean for the U.S.? Or Israel? God came in judgment of Sodom
and Gomorrah and Egypt and many other nations in the OT. Is it different because
we are in the New Covenant ?

I do have a question regarding the unbeliever. I work and have worked for quite a
few successful entertainers. Very successful and very rich materially. And one thing
is that they are very prideful and egotistical. Very fleshly of course, etc. The Bible
does talk of pride and then the fall. That one who exalts himself will be made
humble. Is that verse referring to the elect or all mankind. Does it mean in their
lifetime or the fall may happen afterwards?



Hi H____,

You ask:

"So am I to understand that God is judging His own (elect) now and judgment will
come later for the called as well as the unbelievers in the lake of fire?"

That is exactly right:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the
bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and
Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal
upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years
should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his
image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of
the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom
[is] as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed
the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down
from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day
and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books
were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the
dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to
their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell
delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second

Sodom and Gomorrah were types of judgment. The sacking of Jerusalem in the days
of Jeremiah was a type of judgment. All catastrophes that are physical, are mere
foreshadowings of the true day of judgment. But all who are in Christ are living
judgment day. They are the first to be judged. They are not in the middle or at the
end. They are first:

1 Pet 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try
you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1 Pet 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that,
when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1 Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not
the gospel of God?
1 Pet 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the
sinner appear?

The answer to Peter's question is that all nations of all time will appear in the lake of
fire for their day to be judged.

So long as babies are continuing to be born, death will never be destroyed. But
verse 9 of Revelation 20 tells us how God brings all flesh to an end so death can be
destroyed and all men of all time can be saved in the lake of fire which immediately
follows this post-millennial uprising. Satan was imprisoned for one thousand years
just to bring this about.

All of this is already in the paper on the Law of Moses Versus The Law of The

You also ask:

"The Bible does talk of pride and then the fall. That one who exalts himself will be
made humble. Is that verse referring to the elect or all mankind? Does it mean in
their lifetime or the fall may happen afterwards?"

All men of all time will "live by every word of God...and keep the sayings of the
prophecy of this book." The fire of the lake of fire is God's Word and those in whom
God's Word abides.

Matt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

"Man" means all men of all time, elect and non-elect are judged by the exact same
fiery Word of God. It is all a matter of timing and number of stripes, all decided
"before the foundation of the world" by a sovereign God.

I hope this helps you to see what you say you see, that God truly is no respecter of