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Interview with Wali Khan Author(s): Wali Khan and Feroz Ahmed Reviewed work(s): Source: Pakistan Forum,

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INTERVIEW The following interview Note: of the National leader Khan, Feroz Ahmed conducted by Dr. May 6.

WITH with Khan Wali was Awami Party, on in Peshawer

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constitu? the interim does To what extent F.A.: What of your the demands tion party? satisfy to have would additional you want provisions constitution? in the permanent incorporated the NAP & JUI reached between The accord W.K.: on March 6 had envisaged and the Party People*s constitution for the interim a common formula we was that of Pakistan. And the arrangement based on them our own working would paper give amend? with constitution the 1935 consequential work? its would hand over ment s, the government would meet two parties to us, and the ing paper would which a common formula to evolve jointly and National in the be introduced Assembly constitution. an interim be called would which we did hand over to that agreement According Law Ministo the of April 1st our copy on the the their but we did not get copy till try, The Assembly of April. 12th of the evening us hardSo they on the was to sit 14th. gave to were You see how they trying ly any time. interim In the situation. out of the wriggle there that assert we could constitution only in the cabinets be responsible must provinces. at the center. that to achieve But we failed an anomaThat*s constitutionally why we have a We have in the situation lous country. in the of governments system parliamentary Center. one at the and a Presidential provinces we which number That is our objection one, federal about in the feel still sys? strongly is of whatever four units with federating tem, of a biand in the absence left of Pakistan, that is most it cameral important legislature, of be a federal there system parliamentary the interests to safeguard in order government inter? latest units. In the of the federating to Mr. Lindley has given he (Mr. Bhutto) view from the to suffer seems of ITA he still he is in an overall that illusion majority. be? is absolutely That is wrong. That wrong four two of the in only he has majority cause is a federal If it of Pakistan. provinces face at his back throw I can only structure, he had advanced which his own argument against he was in Rahman that Sheikh although Mujibur because Center at the an overall he, majority to one province confined of his being majority have didn*t had an absolute which majority, the other over to rule the provinces. right the same argu? to confront him with I am going in he has an absolute ment because majority is 65$ of the of Punjab which the province of Pakistan. is left of whatever population

the over him to rule not entitle That does the that or to brag other maj? great provinces He seems him. are behind of the people ority that in Baluchistan to forget conveniently very in the either member he has not got a single He also or the National Provincial Assembly. it was in the that forgets conveniently very himself Mr. Bhutto where Frontier province and around How can he turn an election. lost We his we have politics? accepted say that The two prov? his not accepted have politics. themselves to a.ssert have left are which inces to be accommohave and they constitutionally in such a central dated in the government of a control some sort have that sense they We don't decisions. the over policy-making That is our greatest his position. accept An? constitution. to this interim objection He of emergency use other one is the powers. of to the inclusion us and we agreed asked has. constitution which every emergency powers with do not agree But we certainly depriving the funda? of ali of this the country people he has taken which mental away in the rights is that Where name of emergency. emergency? for rhetoric of flowery to be full He seems Ahmed was here. Aziz Dhar was here. India. We those ali And we heard speeches. flowery there and certainly see any emergency, don't should be no reason should why our own courts not be trusted. Paki? had ali Your party F.A.: along opposed in U.S.-sponsored s involvement stan' military when silent alliances. you remained Why have to withrefused has not our government only but has shown willingdraw from these pacts the with a new bilateral to sign ness treaty U.S.? I have ali because I am surprised, W.K.: along utterin my public this involvement condemned In our central been. I have wherever ances the condemned we have resolutions committee read If you have alliance. Pakistan-American I have wherein speech assembly my national of the NAP, you'11 the to give tried viewpoint to illustrate taken I have see that pains great laid I have on which this one particular point inclination Pakistan's even that emphasis great of the was a part China toward strategy global I have said SEATO and CENTO powers. of the a into India to bully were that trying they the under should it in which situation get has gone with Now that India Russia, umbrella. of to the wrong have position gone again they SEATO and CENTO. The F.A.: Pakistani impression papers, that including I from reading get is not Dawn which

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to you, is that not unsympathetic you have further inPakistan*s against spoken strongly I have America. seen with volvement your constitutional on statements on the matters, but none the law and order on Mr. situation, the New York Times Bhutto*s interviews with and Newsweek. W.K.: covered After them. They may not have all of the most have their limitations. papers The trouble our own is that we do not have is Most of the Dawn excluded, press, paper. Trust which is neither National Press national do not cover these nor a trust. They obviously fact does remain statements. the Nonetheless, that with in all interviews the corresforeign with local and in my correspondents, pondents, I have these condemned pacts. speeches always I would like some of the you to read speeches I have delivered in Karachi and to the Foreign I have Committee in which Relations explained that in mili? our involvement detail in great of some of the serves the interests tary pacts in their global strategy. imperialist powers a little I said like inthat it was just frog to fight in its vicinity. viting big bulls is that What happens then when the bulls fight crushed. the frog gets Soviet F.A.: What is your on the position for a regional alliance? proposal security of course discussed in That was never W.K.: We tried hard to the National Assembly. very before to put these Mr. Bhutto get problems where we could the National put forth Assembly We wanted our viewpoint. to know what were that the negotiations he conducted in China, he conducted Our the negotiations in Russia. be in full to know as should nation position feel China to what does Russia what does want, take and what does India want so as we could All the on it. same the NAP does a decision that to live the we have take in position with all the and harmony countries, peace is the our neighbors. That stand especially of But what are the we take. implications we do not really Un? that know. fproposalj, we know all the we cannot take less details, a public stand issue on this ?of regional alliance). security F.A.: You have issued law and order on the bad is the situation? a number situation of in statements Sarhad. How

to take comes whoever and shoot possessguns It is in the of the land. ion police diary of the and in the reports govern? intelligence ment . of started in the times This actually into these elec? going Yahya Khan when we were tions and they wanted Qayyum Khan to deliver the There Frontier in the goods province. were some army officers involved in (who were I am of it. the evidence and we have it) a probe that Mufti Mahmood has ordered glad I know that this certain matter. into army here for officers were particularly deputed of organizing armed the insurrections. purpose We have that evidence in our possession they the them arms and ali finances. And supplied I have a person the authority of no less than of the the former Governor province himself, I got the Mr. Sherpao, state? who told me--and of ment corroborated from him in the presence of Pakistan--that Mr. Bhutto, the President of the Mazdoor-Kisan two leaders the Party, were Afzal and the Bangash ex-Major Ishaque law and this both agents...Ali paid government of the order is the creation situation party were For four months in power. they trying to create could deconditions in which they clare no responsible and say that emergency can function in this government parliamentary That in this province. country, especially is how they to conquer this wanted province law and order I think situation. by creating a that which calls itself any government It is most must excontrol it. government are that there in the sense innumerplosive able out lethal factories turning busy weapons, 12 miles from sten machine guns, guns--only here called So the Dara. situa? in the place does become more explosive. tion There is a statement F.A.: in by Mr. Sherpao he has blamed in which yesterday's papers your for the incidents in the and party province has implied that you had the Mazdoor-Kisan arrested to Yahya leaders Party by complaining Khan. I had only No. That is wrong. W.K.: referred such as Col. to certain army officers, Qayum to Governor Azhar He Khan. who was advisor ali was the who one who was instigating this, Ali was organizing materials. and supplying Sure? these were from Punjab. imported people is much more downthe tenant in Punjab ly, are much the one out here. There trodden than You see in Punjab than here. landlords bigger it was not a landowner-tenant that problem. It was a purely My only political problem. was that he was conagainst Sherpao complaint was initiated the which tinuing by policy the Qayum, with by Col. Yahya and implemented I tell same result. same purpose and the you

The situation is bad in the sense that W.K.: was inciting it was the in power which party the to an armed There insurrection. people were these delivered respons? speeches by the ible advisors in the Mardan in certain areas where had openly districts and Peshawer they said that the should take peasants up their

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here. that very strange happened something station trouble was in the The latest police some of of Khan Mai where Kisans, 2000-2500 areas and the tribal whom had come from the four or five had gheraoed villages agencies, the roads. was The constabulary and blocked but they force was there, there and the police there on. there and looked stood They were for Then a very 3 days. ';hing strange happen? that Arab ed. On the 2fth day it was announced the Governor of had been Sikander appointed had been and the NWFP and Sherpao removed; were not there. next They just morning they What happened? They knew that disappeared. had had was gone. the they protection only law the to create wants which Any government it wants but if situation can do it, and order at is no problem there the to solve problem, all. from You have F.A.: mentioned coming people involved in the and getting peasant Punjab read I remember here. actions having your to Major in which statement you had referred Are the as an outsider from Punjab. Ishaque outsiders in this province? really Punjabis refer I didnTt to him in this context. W.K.: the I said that landowner-tenant problems are universal. more acrute They are probably Waderas there are bigger and in Sind where the I said Haris. much poorer why had all leaders seemed so-called Mazdoor-Kisan Party all the to have the Haris of Sind, forgotten the downof Bahawalpur and all tenants poor The only of the trodden place Punjab. people and povwhere could find misery they really I didn*t refer to was in the Frontier. erty I only to point tried him as an outsider. that out the of the situation, peculiarity the other all about these forget people one. on this and concentrate They provinces to create a problem in this want province, are and they confined to the two districts the NAP has an overwhelming where majority. there There The problem isnTt in D.I.Khan. is no Mazdoor-Kisan no MKP in in Bannu, Party states or in any of the none in Hazara Kohat, It is confined to the dis? or other places. and Peshawer which have of Mardan tricts out of 12 for 11 seats the National voted here to concentrate Awami Party. They have to sabotage the in order position political is what I was trying to of the NAP. That refer to. has Awami Party the National F.A.: Now that Sarhad its in the government province, got the to do about do you intend what people of law and for the deterioration responsible order? W.K.: ready We are beginning a Commission has to do something. been appointed, Al? a with

to preside of High Court over to it, judge the factors out what were which find went into the forces which initiated what were it, it, look on as helpless officers specwhy did the We are going to see to it that the tators. is imis not only made public but it report those who have fail? and ali people plemented, We are going ed in their are punished. duty I am absolutely ali those to expose people. I want to go we can do it. that positive before the Commission and say that this is has told what the Governor me in the presence He tells of another me now that gentleman. I have secret access to the government reports I can tell both and Major you that Ishaque Afzal are paid I government Bangash agents. it is his told that Mr. Bhutto (SherpaoTs) is your it what government, government, you are trying to do in this people country. F.A.: to power Since Mr. Bhutto's and coming as a result of your for democratic struggle has picked rights your party up some support in Punjab and Sind, in Karachi. especially Do you think that it will be necessary for or your you to change program your party in order to consolidate this political style a national leader and to become in strength the that sense in ali the following you have four provinces? a national We have as W.K.: been always party We were our very the name indicates. only of Pakistan, the who were in ali party provinces We were East the Pakistan. including only had the bases which democratic and an party character from its elected right inception. It is not the character of our party which has the have changed; country's politics changed. Thanks to Mr. Bhutto to Gen. and thanks Yahya that have us in this way that they supported real out the character have brought of they is no need for the There us to change party. a national We have been our policies. always our comis no need of changing There party. We have a progressive been always plexion. for our is no need us to change There party. have been our politics because always politics to wouldn't listen national. Only the people we have not But on our part us previously. are be? our policies. people Only the changed circumstances. in the to change changed ginning conand the way they With this confrontation Pakistan East and ducted themselves against the way they the democratic forces, against of democracy and the restoration failed in the out the have transfer of power, brought they forefront?but to the NAP's character only been done. a lot of damage after had already F.A.: while ties, which that to be an impression seems There of the nationali? the advocating rights issues the failed to emphasize you have For example, to the masses. are dear (continued on page 18)

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INTFfcVIFW such a hell the us and raised guided against he could us anymore. not oppress enemy that he because into was thrown Major jail Ishaque a countrywide the launched against campaign of peasants in Sarhad, especially oppression of Mandani. the massacre Mukhtar whom Rana, for the leaders of hi^s own party have jailed five us unflinching In gave support. years, the workers of Lyallpur, he with cooperation not only and carried demonstrations organized leader? for but under out propaganda his us, of Lyallpur us the workers rendered ship At a time financial when our movement help. severe was under of every repression, help would boost of peasants and the morale penny to make them think that there was somebody were them and that not alone. they help Why is Wali Khan Panicky?

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who Khan's Fareedun ...Wali nephew Khan, reis the son of Abdul Ghani recently Khan, a few After turned from Bombay. having spent he hoisted of in his the months flag village, the Mazdoor-Kisan of Abdul in the Party porch I don't Khan's know if he has Ghani house. I been influenced in India. by any movement The peasants told have haven't met him yet. relahe does his me that not greet landlord he covers his tives. When compelled, hands a cloth-sheet before with with hands shaking the Even Wali landlords... Khan's own tenants of with the and servants, exception solitary have the Mazdoor-Kisan Subhan Khan, joined reported Recently somebody wrongly Party... to be that he was going to Khan-e-Khanan He called that in the gheraoed night. over Zalmai from ali and started Pakhtun the Mazdoorstatements against issuing daily we have that Kisan Party. Major says Ishaque of the minister made him the propaganda Mazdoor-Kisan Party. (?ontinued from pase ^)

socialism as W.K. The Party*s regarding policy been has always ultimate its there, objective has been which of socialism but not the kind As I put it to Mr. in this country. preached that he said Bhutto?when you are a socialist be? and I am a socialist?"I pardon beg your of a difference. there is some sort cause socialist You are an Islamic and I am simply social? I said that in Islamic a socialist." to the land ism you are advocating peasants, labourto the factory shop to the shopkeeper, is This er and house to whoever it. occupies I have that not been of socialism the kind Stalin to find able in Marx, Engeles, Lenin, In socialism be the or whoever spokesman. all not of production means state, go to the take the of I can*t kind to the individual. We depart is preaching. socialism Mr. Bhutto we intend to that sense in the from Bhutto and achieve socialism processes by democratic basis. on an evolutionary put a Somebody to nationI was going to me whether question I said all the in Frontier. alize industry I can nationalize before me the industry give We have and practical to be more objective it. Like Islam toward socialism. in our approach abused word in this it is a very country. Post of the above An advance Script: copy to the weekly was given interview Al-Fatah, issue and published in its annual Karachi, exand the Mr. Afzal Bangash (May 1972). of the leaders Mohammad, Major Ishaque to Mr. took Mazdoor-Kisan exception Party, were that Wali remarks Khan*s paid they The lawyer of the central government. agents a libel notice has served of the MKP leaders of Al-Fatah the to Mr. Wali publishers Khan, with the Ahmed. In compliance and Dr. Feroz Dr. Ahmed has issued instructions, lawyer*s that the a statement Pakistan in the press are those views in the interview expressed he was in no way of Mr. Wali Khan and that of the the a party to injuring reputation interview this MKP leaders. While printing to rewish editors the in Pakistan Forum. in inter? assert that views the expressed columns or in any other in the form, views, shared of Pakistan Forum are not necessarily publishers?Eds. by its

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