Interview of: Jon Mason Case No.: 2002"()55 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances NixtJ2.__ Revisions by: Scott H. Birch~o S8: JM: SB: Scott H. Birch Jon Mason Today is December 5th 2002; the time is 9:31 a.m. My name is Scott

Birch; I am an investigator with the Idaho Attorney General's office and with me is Boise City Councilman, Jon Mason. The first name is J-O-N is that correct?
JM:

That's right. Uh what, tell me you're assessment on how this all came about. Well uh Mike Wetherell uh is charged with, with just examining the, the batch of checks for each, each meeting.

SB: JM:

SB: JM:

Umhum. And I don't know whether if he does it on a monthly or weekly basis but, you know, the City writes lots of checks. And, and I suspect that the size
of those air travel tickets probably caught his attention. And when he

started looking into it, there was some other related things that puzzled him. And my understanding is that he started making phone calls and just to validate or verify some issues and, and suddenly it, it became a quagmire, r think. SB: JM: Urn hum. So he prepared this document. And, and I'm guessing that you have a copy of it. • SB: I do. Yes we have.

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Interview of: Jon Mason Case No.: 2002·055 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch JM: You do have a copy of that. And uh he sort of outlines things that troubled him and he simply asked the Mayor for a written response. Because we and I don't recall the situation, it was an issue about a year or a year and a half ago, a similar bit of uh-strange things happened, but he didn't document it. And oasrcauy was chastised for not documenting it. So he said, "Hell let's document it." And uh force the issue. So that's basically what's happened. And uh whew. Uh and then the Mayor, in asking the Mayor for a written response, the Mayor came up with a written response.

I don't know if you've seen that? But he released it directly to the press. And we did not get a copy of it until the following Tuesday. S8:
JM:

Uh could I have a copy made of this? Certainly. Let me just step out. [Pause] [door opening and closing] And basically, I don't have any more information than that at the moment for you frankly. We, we have been

S8:
JM:

giving, given by the Mayor's office, a list of Travel Expense Sheets for the year, as well as P-card charges for I think the year. And I haven't had a chance to go through those

S8:

Okay. P-card charges. This probably you may well have

JM:

S8:
JM:

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JM:

that document. [paper rustling]
That's the P-card charges. What do you have there?

S8: JM:
S6:

That's just an additional copy of it. Oh yeah, and this is the one I haven't had a chance to go through yet.
Okay.

And I received the travel information uh yesterday from Mr.

Bisterfeldt. JM: Oh Okay. And uh some of the questions that specifically that I have uh relate to the Mayor's explanation in the first executive session. which I believe was November 19th uh regarding this five hundred and eighty dollar charge. Uh what was his explanation for that trip?
JM: Uhm let's see November 19 was, yeah, that was our first Executive. That,

sa.

that's when we asked for an explanation. S8:
JM:

Right, right.
Uh and he, he basically shrugged his shoulders.

He claimed he didn't

know what it was for. S8: JM: S8: Okay. And then, then when I seen this, it's obvious to me that he did know. Okay. So you were, you were not aware And, and, and the reason I, I generally, I sit in those meetings with this stuff in front of me. And I don't generally read all of the documentation at
the time of the meeting.

JM:

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Interview of: Jon Mason Case No.: 2002·055 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch SB: JM: Right. I, it takes me a while to sort of digest what's there. But as I, after I read

that, I, for God's sakes it, the five hundred and eight dollar number's right here. And then when
J

saw this a few days later, the Mayor acknowledged

that it was for tickets to the show. SB: There's been some assertion that uh he initially explained this to have a trip to have a meeting with CASA in New York City. JM: That, that was my, I do recall that. was sort of off the top of his head. SB: JM: Right. And in the alphabet soup, I didn't know what the heck that was. So I, I But the meeting was cancelled. That

didn't, you know, I, but that's sort of a vague memory. I mean it's his word against anybody else's word at this point. Because SB: JM: SB: JM: SB: JM: Right it wasn't written down ... So And then uh But I will say this, Paula caught it Right. And she recognized what that was. And she told me later that she nor was

checked it out. And there was neither a meeting can-scheduled there a meeting scheduled and cancelled.

So that was just uh an out and
J

out, you know, misdirection on the Mayor's part.

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Interview of: Jon Mason Case No.: 2002-055 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch SB: JM: S8: JM: You a little upset at the Mayor? Um hum. As time goes on. more and more upset [laugh] [pause] What's

Go ahead.
What I'm more angry about is that his, his assistant. Who is, you know,

sits hand in glove with him frequently, didn't suggest that this is, you know doesn't look ethically right to, to go to and meeting in Rochester and then take a side trip in the middle of the meeting to do something else. That's less than on the City's, you know, activity agenda.

S8: JM:

Right. And uh so I, the problem that I have, I-I like what the Mayor's doing. But you know he's, ethics is apparently an issue that people don't have high on their list of thing to worry about. And I, that's what my concern is. And uh he doesn't look at it from an ethical standpoint.

S8: JM: S8:· JM: S8: JM:

Uhm how long have you been on the Council? Well, this is my third year, the end of my third year. I've got one year left. So you were elected in November. It was November of "99". I was actually sworn in January of 2000. January of 2000. Uh [pause} do you remember any discussion about uh the Mayor claiming per diem for this trip to Rochester?

S8:

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JM: Uh there was, well there was some talk of it. But I, it didn't dawn me what all, what all was in. it entailed until I read this thing. And I didn't read this until the next day. So I, S8: JM: Um hum I didn't engage in any discussion in that and it just seemed

un quite

frankly

during that meeting we didn't talk much at all about this. We really talked about how do we, you know, what's the best way respond to it.

S8:

Umhum And should uh should we take it to the Attorney General's office
Dr

JM:

should

we keep it within the City of Boise. And the question is, well we couldn't. Susie couldn't do it because she's part of the problem here. S8: JM: Right. And the only other choice is the Police Chief. So we, we handed it off to the Police Chief. And he, and the question there I, you know I, I went along with that. I didn't have a problem with that. But I was reminded by a lot of my constituents the next day. God damn you know, you don't, you don't give the, the chief the assignment to investigate his boss, I mean, so I'm thinking oh Jesus, what did we do now. So it proceeded and uh and, and my disappoint in what. The one thing that I'm disappointed about the

Chief, documented in here were some answers that they got from Conference of Mayors. And the Chief came back with a different answer than what was in here. And he didn't try to resolve it. And for me the

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easiest way to resolve it was, ask for a receipt for the tickets. They do that as a service. They don't do it for free. Did the tickets cost, four tickets cost five hundred and eighty, or did cost four hundred and you pay a hundred and eighty as a service charge to the Council of Mayors. The Chief didn't inquire about that and that's my biggest disappointment Chiefs investigation. S8: Right. We're exploring that uhm further [pause] What uh, you uh I-I've been told that you have some history with uh Gary Lyman. in the

JM:

As a matter of fact, I uh, he was in a uh he did some external research. he worked for John Keiser over at Boise State. And back in "1986", I worked on a study that he had, had contracted with ACHD and I did all the technical work for Gary. And we, we basically modeled the Ada County Highway System on in terms it's status of, of repair. There was a lot of deferred maintenance. And they were behind like three hundred million They did a study to see, you know, what

dollars behind in maintenance.

how much money did you have to have to catch it up? And I think it was my work, in combination with the report that Gary did that basically raised the property taxes in the county and raised also the registration fees so SB: So we have you to thank for that? Yeah. [laugh]

JM: S8:

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JM: I'm respon, I sort of try to keep a low profile but, but I worked with Gary on that. And so I have some sense of his skills in terms of uh running studies and what have you.

S8:
JM:

Have any issues with him? No, I personally don't. But I know there's a lot of people that don't trust him over there.

S8:
JM:

Have any of these people that have come to talk to you? No, nobody's come to talk to me about it, specifically. talked to them is in geemany Christmas. place. Although now that I

Why do you keep that guy in that

S8: JM:

Right.

So I, you know that's something and I went back there and specifically, 'Was there anytime, any time that, that he might have been implicated in a financial mishandling." And the answer was no. But they just didn't trust him as a person, you know, I and you trust a guy for his word. And apparently, he's the type of

guy that tells you one thing and does something else. And there's a lot of evidence of that, that's what's going on here.

S8:

Uhm [pause]

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Interview of: Jon Mason Case No.: 2002-055 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch JM: SB: JM: That stays in this office. Right? It's on the [laugh] the record. I know that. Well, stays in the office, you know, some of these rumors and innuendos and I, JM: I did preface it as hearsay. That's correct, that's correct and in the, in my job, I've been in law enforcement since "1970" and uh much of what we do, investigative wise,

S8:

S8:


JM:

is based on rumor and hearsay.

And that we go out and explore that

rumor, see if there's any foundation to it. And if there isn't then we just disregard it. If there is then we go to the next level with it. Now as far as your words being quoted in this uh things that have, you know, this thing about Gary Lyman's sexual indiscretion, much of that will be redacted from any hard copy that goes out of this office, because it's not really germain to this investigation, you know. But it is someplace that if that piece fits with something else that we hear. Then we'll, we may explore it further. Uh but I can't guarantee that it won't get out uh but I, just to put

your mind at ease, I've heard the same thing from other people, so. Oh okay. That I've interviewed. Uh there was uhm the council ordered the Mayor to as well as the credit card

SB:

produce these travel uh the travel documentation

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and purchase card uh accounting. Do you recall when those were

ordered by the council, was it the nineteenth or the twenty-sixth? JM: Uh, I believe it was the twenty-sixth [pause] that, that the credit card charges were asked for. The travel thing, I think was asked for the prior meeting on the nineteenth. And on November

tz",

I asked for a review of

the credit card uh policy. Well not the policy, but the actions on credit card uh the P-card issue relative to, you know, how many people have it and what, what, what are those individuals uh limits on the charge card.


SB: JM:

Because the report is that at one time. there were three hundred people that were carrying cards and I'm thinking, why the devil do we have so many P-cards out in the City. So I, on the twelfth, I asked for a review on that. And uh I got a phone call on about the 15th from Gary saying, that, 'Would a letter be satisfactory?" And I said, "Yeah, that would be fine."

Would you, you know what's the status, how many people hold and them what are the limits, it doesn't take a big [inaudible]. When did you receive that? No, never did. Because it was the following Tuesday, the nineteenth that this thing blew up in his face, so L And, and just on the third, Chris Hunt came up and asked me and confirmed what I wanted on the credit card.

Cause Chris Hunt is basically the guy that's supposed to be watching the credit cards. SB: What is Chris Hunt's position?

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JM: He's the Purchasing Manager.

S8:

JM:


58: JM:

..

What, do you remember where that trip was to? It was in California, southern California somewhere is my recollection. I, I

also have a pretty bad memory for that kind of stuff. That's why I like to

see stuff in writing, SB: Right. What's your background? Professional background.

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Transcribed by; Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch JM: Uhm I have a PE License. I worked for MK they brought me, brought me

here, recruited me. And then business went into the bucket about 1983 and then a teaching position came open at Boise State. So, I ended teaching construction management and engineering at Boise State for eighteen years. SB: JM:

Oh.
So

I know the construction community quite well and uh I actually had a

professional engineering business for a short time with a guy that I knew

thirty years ago. But in over a thirty-year time period both of our personalities were different [inaudible} So we said, "You know this isn't going to work." So we basically broke up the company, and dissolved it. SB: JM:

Urn hum
So my background is sort of the technical kind. You uh, you're retired now?

S8:
JM:

I retired uhm a year ago. At age sixty-two. I was able to retire but Dean
wouldn't let me go until I found my replacement over there. That took about a year. [laugh]

SB: JM:

Did it? So.

SB:

JM:

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sa
JM:

Right. And then with, we, I - I think, again my memory is foggy in terms of when the issue started but we wanted to go to a, I don't even have a word for it. An 10 card for each employee in terms of a security system and I think that even started before nine-eleven. But nine-eleven really accelerated the, the need for it. So uh as it turned out, the fellow that's handling the

security issue apparently wanted help and uh there was an internal search

done that, I, I think there was. I didn't, I didn't track that at all. _

S8:

I understand that that's a pilot position and is subject for review shortly by uh the council is that your...

JM:

[pause] I [pause] my memory is vague on that, but that could welf be. That. that's I - -I have to, to re-took it. I have to figure out that issue

because there was often times when there's controversy in the personnel moves, there's a couple of Council members that just sort of asked for uh, uh unanimous consent for a review and I can't recall it may come up whoever, whoever does that usually has to ask the Mayor what's, what's

the status. And I didn't ask for it, so I'm not at a point where I can ask the Mayor what the status is so uhm but some of the council members are. And then when I asked for things, I, I never failed to asked the Mayor...

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Revisions by: Scott H. Birch S8; JM: Right. ...where, where is the, where's the report and uh and that happened on, on Tammy uh God I loose her name. The O-H-R. SB: JM: Oh Tammy Rice? Rice. There was uh a flap about her qualifications. And they Mayor said, "I'll get them to ya and I think about a couple of months, three months past. And I said, "Mr. Mayor did you review her qualifications?" And his answer was, "Yes, I did." But then I looked around at some of the other Council members. And they said, "No, I don't recall that." Uh [laugh] so,


S8: JM:

in fact, in the following. the weeks following, he did provide a resume of Tammy and what have you. But that was, that was two years ago and both Sarah Baker and Paula were confirmed the fact that we hadn't heard. But the Mayor jumped on me, "Don't you recall that I did that?" And, and none of the other Council members jumped in my defense at the time. But later on after the meeting, we and I they admitted no we hadn't received it we just so [long pause] [paper rustling] Uh, is there anything else you think we need to inquire into? Well, here's some notes I took on the eleven twenty-six meeting. And my writing is so ... I've got the name, I thought I wrote the name of the the City

Attorney that was with Pierce. Massaw, she's with internal affairs. But I, does that, does that name ring, is it Melissa? Is it, uh she introduced

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herself and I tried to write her name down but I don't have it properly written. [phonetically] Massaw but it, I'm not sure what her name is. She [pause]

sat in with the Chief when he made his presentation. S8:

Who was in the room with uh the Chief when he made that, besides this woman that we talked about.

JM:

Yeah, she's, she's an attorney the city attorney,

she's in the Internal

Affairs office. She apparently works with the Chief on other occasions. SB: JM: Um hum. Uh it was the Mayor, the Council, the Chief and her that was it. He uh he sort of summarized, he thought it was a personnel problem. Uh he

interviewed twelve people.

He says it is a perceived high air cost but quite

frankly uh between a week and two weeks, I had uh flight that the cost can varie all over the map. And I, personally I, I know that for a fact. so I don't have a problem with, with that perceived high airfare. that way. It, it can happen

Uh it's the propriety of the, the Council of Mayor's invoice is the

problem that I see. And the Chief didn't, didn't acknowledge that one way or the other. Uhm I, I look at that, that invoice as, as a way of hiding the I mean they, they either call it uh, uh meeting or

Mayor's indiscretions. label it a bonus.

But they don't supply any apparently any uh, uh receipts. Now city employees have to supply receipts when

And that's my concem.

they go out and spend money, so why the hell doesn't the Council of Mayors do the same thing? Uh the, the, the thing that I asked the Mayor

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about is, "Did Gary suggest this was an impropriety? Uh the bonus for

Susie uh she is flying to New York City for an unrelated. a meeting with uh a group, it's a Japanese City group that's not necessarily connected to the city and my feeling and I told this to the Mayor at that meeting, that just you know, flying her to New York should be bonus enough. Uh wasn't that a big flap when the she went to Japan. And I asked the Mayor, "How does the city benefit by Susie's participation in that?" And he didn't answer me. Uh did, did this bonus in New York City for Susie, also include Susie's assistant and the Mayor, I mean they all participated, did you intend to


JM:

have a bonus for all of them? [paper rustling] Clair. C-L~A-I-R

I didn't get an answer from the Mayor. Yeah, that I, I did make a note. things that Susie's But they

Uh, oh okay here it was. that's this organization

participating

and I don't have any idea what C-L-A-I-R means.

paid for Susie's hotel in New York City. airfare. And I made a note here [END SIDE

But the City had to pay for her

ONEJ
She found out that there was no But it, it you know, Susie not knowing

early and that's what Paula picked on.

leading either scheduled nor scheduled and canceled. the Mayor might have just told Susie that and

differently would have bought into it. \ 5B: Um hum.

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JM:

So the Mayor used that as a ruse but it, in fact, didn't exist at all. So I can excuse the Mayor for that. But he has not answered those two questions. Was that bonus intended for Susie and her assistant and Gary?

SB: JM:

And the Mayor. And the Mayor, you're right. You know. or is something else at issue here. And further more, what, how, how can you justify Susie's participation in C-L-A-I-R, whatever that is. Uh how does it benefit the city or the, you
know, the taxpayers in the city. Uh [pause] and I'm really angry with the

Council of Mayors more than anything. They didn't provide a receipt.

SB: JM:

At least not that we know of. That's right. They sent this invoice, which was unidenta, what the hell was it for?

SB: JM:

Right. I also looked at our Municipal Code for the Mayor you know obviously you have access to that, and the administration, Administrative Assistant is responsible to both the Mayor and the Council. I didn't find out until this, the third, that if we put him on suspension it has, and the Mayor doesn't support it, that all six of us have to go in favor of suspending him. So we went through that gyration in Tuesday's regular meeting. My position is we should fire him. I don't want him working for me. And at this point, I

don't know how the hell we get rid of him. Because there's a number of

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Council Members that don't want to fire him. I guess out of deference to the Mayor but uh I got uh I've got eight reasons why I want to dump him. SB: JM: Well what would those be? Well, he's not trusted by the majority of the city employees; and that came out in a series of e-rnails that were disclosed to the Council, two years ago when Tammy Rice was the topic of, of discussion. And a majority of city employees don't trust Gary, I won't say a majority. There is a whole

bunch of them that don't trust him. They don't trust Tammy, didn't trust Tammy and they don't trust Susan. And I, Susie, she, the indication of

Susie is she, she, her, a sense of propriety is missing. concerned about it.

I, I really

I mean, she should have jumped all over this.

Especially when she was the center of a flap over a trip to Japan that was over a year or so ago. That was supposedly was paid for by the Council of Mayors. And that's one of the things that I'm going look for when we uh, uh review, do an audit on the City's uh books. But uh it was said well they, she was paid for by them. somewhere. Well I want to see if I can find that Uh this lack of

But anyway, number one is not trusted.

trustworthiness disqualifies him as a negotiator, The Mayor supposedly put him as the city negotiator. Dealing with, I guess, the Police Union, the Fire Union negotiation, Fire Contract, Police Contract negotiation.

Number three, he intimidates Department Heads and he basically chokes off communication between the Department Heads and the Mayor. Cause

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SB:
JM:

Right.

But I do remember that. That was never addressed anywhere. But, but Gary. Gary can overlook and he finds the Peccadilloes of everybody. And he uses that to his advantage.


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Uh he also influences how the, the finance and the treasury

reports results. And frequently we get half stories. And I, and I, I've red lined a lot of stuff and I.
1

brought the Finance Department up short

because I've caught them, you know, omissions an-and things that don't add up. And 1--I guess they're still puzzled how I do that but uhm 1--I try to treat all these folks, I don't like to micro manage. It really plsses me off but [sigh] all 1can do is ask questions an-and I thankfully they an answer

\C

'em. But I think, I, I think they're still protecting Gary in a lot of ways. Uh Gary also knew that Tammy misused her P-card because she reported through him and he signed off on her. on her expense reports. Nobody made an issue of that. They, they attacked Tammy for misusing the card. But Gary has responsibility for checking her expense statement. And I'm as responsible for letting. you know, letting him off the hook as some of the others. But with all the smoke and fire in the air you intend to, you know, first things first, but I hold him responsible. I mean, he, he knew she was, you know, he-he was as guilty as she was in the misuse of that card from my paint of view. Uh he uses Susie to provide legal cover for his unethical behavior. And I think that's why Susie's become distrusted in

that. So that some sort of variety of reasons I have that we've got to get rid of a guy like, I mean he, he just create all kind of chaos and it throws

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S8:

You mean calls to you personally or to other. To people.
Constituents.

JM:

People that I know, that I trust, that called and asked for information. He did not return their calls. Are you out of tape?

SB:

No I'm fine. I just wanted to make sure, some point and time it reversed and I didn't hear it.

JM:

Uhm, now I this is, this a sort of a subtle issue. But I asked unanimous consent for Council meeting for a uh report on the P-card. And I got a call from Gary on Friday and he told me what he was going to do. I'll

guarantee yeah he call no other council member to warn them that uh a memo was coming. He lets me sit on that. And he, he, you know. he gets
a pass for. If, jf I don't think to call him on it. He'll ignore it. And he's

done that before. Uh so the, the point I'm making is that it was unanimous consent by the whole council. And he only called the one person that made the request, rather than calling each one of the council members and warned that it was going to be coming back on a memo. You

understand where I'm going?

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Case No.: 2002-055 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch 56: I understand. Right. And don't, correct me jf I'm wrong, but don't you all have individual e-mails that he could have just sent an e-mail out to everyone? JM: Oh yeah, he could do that. But this thing he could have just as easily put
it in our box. We all have a mailbox.

S8: JM:

Right. Or he could at least called each one of those members and said, "This
what's

S8:

Going on. I talked to Mason and this is for him. you know, would any of you like something different. But he hasn't done that. You know, and if-if you ask any of the other council members. I'll bet I'm right. I, I think I'm the only that guy he called and he, he put me at ease and then he's going to forget about it.

JM:

S8:

Now is this in addition to this document?

JM: SB: JM:

Yeah, oh yeah. I. I want to know citywide what is the charge limit and how people. How many people have the card. That doesn't tell me how many people have the card.

S8: JM:

Right. You're talking about the earlier discuss ... Yeah, the earlier request on November 12th. Cause I made that

unanimous consent request. Basically. he's derelict in his duties. In these

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Case No.: 2002-055 Date: 12105102
Transcribed by: Frances Nix

Revisions by: Scott H. Birch
duties, and the one I focus on is item "F". Have the authority to bind or obligate the city, city funds or city assets for any contract or agreement but pursuant to express authority or author-authorization Council. of the Mayor and

So he's, he's out there doing things and he's not informing us

before he do, we find them out, we have to ask about it later. S8: JM: So he's not following that He's not following that. So I, I basically give him an F. And, an-and you

know, in the classroom, I said, "You get an F in, out in the real world, that means fired."

S8: JM:

Yeah. [Pause} that's my, I WOUld, I want to fire him but I, I'm concerned there's some council members that don't. until I. I know I've got. .. So I can't, I can't make that a motion

S8: JM:

The ammo to use. Cause it has to be unanimous and unfortunately the Mayor. the Mayor hasn't seen [pause} the problem that Gary's creating for him in terms of his ability to lead.

S8: JM: S8:

[pause} What is that section that he's referring to on that uh. Uh it's this, duties. Could I get a quick copy of this?


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Interview of: Jon Mason Case No.: 2002"()55 Date: 12/05f02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch JM: Yeah. And that's not the whole thing. That's just the first two pages. And Uh matter of fact. I think that the document that the

it's in the City Code.

lawyer that talked to us Tuesday had the whole document. SB: Oh maybe the [lnaudible] discussion with you here, JM: SB: Yeah just take that. [pause] Jon, I don't have any other questions uh you've been most helpful uh as have all the council members. you want to add. JM: Well I guess the only question I have for you I uh you're investigating a criminal issue. S8: JM: Correct. Apparently my concerns are more of an ethical issue, rather than ... I'm not sure that you can find you have any criminal findings other than the way that the Council of Mayor's handled uh the financial things. SB: That, that's the primary focus at this particular point in time. Of course we I mean Uh Uh so unless you have anything else in order to have some continuity with my

haven't, we have not scheduled all of the credit card transactions. there is the specter of misuse of public monies. that is showing up in these, in this documentation

Uh which is a crime.

on the P-card and the

credit card or and certainly we're going to explore that. We're not limiting ourselves strictly to this trip. JM: Well at, at the, the meeting on the 26th, I asked for a four-year audit.

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Case No.: 2002-055 Date: 12/05/02 Transcribed by: Frances Nix Revisions by: Scott H. Birch SB: JM: Urn Hum. The reason I did that, my memory was that there was a bulge in the Mayor's Budget because of him being the president of the Council of Mayors. And I wanted to include that bulge because if there any misuse
of funds it's more likely when you've got too damn much money floating

around. SB:
JM:

Right.
So I wanted, that's why I wanted to go four-years, rather than just one or

two.

S8: JM:

Right. So if anybody questions that and uh I was questioned afterward. I said, "Look this is the reason." And, and, if in fact. if it's clean then that's in the Mayor's favor.

SB:
JM:

Right.
And I, I'd rather do it the whole picture, rather than just do a little bit and

say you didn't look at the real [inaudible] okay. This is the way to solve that. We go back far enough that. Those, you know, if in fact the Mayor's clean on that, and this is the only indiscretion then uh I don't have a problem. You know, I'm not looking for a reason to do him. But based on

the evidence that I have, I can't, I can't support continuing this. SB: Well it certainly deserves looking further into it. Conclude the interview at uh 10:19.

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Sections: 1-01-01

Boise Municipal Code

Chapter 1-01

MAYOR
MISSION, POWERS AND FUNCTIONS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DUTIES OF ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL EMPLOYEES OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DIVISION OF FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT

1..()1-02
1''()l-03 1-01-04

1"()1~

1-OI...os.1 MISSION 1-01-06.02 RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES Section l-01-01MISSION. POWERS AND FUNCfIONS A The City of Boise's mission is 10 provide Ie adership, share the responsibility for advancing common commtmity values, and, to the extent possible, provide services which foster a high quality of life through wise use of community resources. The Mayors Office mission, simply put, is to uphold and implement the citywide mission statement throughout the organization and throughout the community. In doing so, the office will continue to focus on a wide variety of programs and initiatives which further the core principles of the city mission: to provide leadership; to advance community values; and, to maintain or enhance community quality oflife.

B.

The Mayor, in addition to the powers. duties and functions vested in him by Statue as the chief executive officer of the City and those specifically vested in him by the provisions of this Code, shall have authority to act, or designate the officer who shall act, in the enforcement of any provision of this Code in all cases where this Code fiI.ils to specify the officer who shall be charged with the duty ofenforeement (oro. 2lO3, Sec. 1; 1952 Code, Sec. 1-101; Ord 5163.5-989)

(5851, Amerded, 06123/1998)

Section l-OI-02ADMlNISTRATlVE ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL The Mayor shall, with the consent of the Council, appoint an Administrative Assistant whose duties shall be set forth by this Chapter. (Ord. 5163, 5-9-89)
SeCdOD

1-61-03DUTIES OF ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL The Administrative Assistant to the Mayor and Council sball: Perform such functions and duties as may, from time to time, be assigned by the Mayor and Council Prepare the annual budget for the Mayor's office and the Council.

A

B.

C. D.

Develop, direct and budget a public affairs infonnation program.
Coordinate management functions of the various departments or agencies to effectuate directions and programs oftbe executive as defined or directed by the Mayor and Council.
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the

Boise Municipal Code

E.
F. G. H.

Supervise and control the fimctions, duties and responsibilities of those persons appointed Mayor's office.

to

the

Have the authority to bind or obligate the City, City funds or City assets for any contract or, agreement pursuant to the express authority of authorization of the Mayor and Council. _....l
Make and submit such reports, and supply such infonnation as may be directed by the Mayor or

Council.

Coordinate executive and legislative directives or enactions by the Mayor and Council to assure compliance enforcement ofsucb directives or enact ions. (Ord. 5163,5-9-89)
OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE The positions of Administrative Assistant. Special Assistant. Public Infonnation
and shall serve at the pleasure of the Mayor omd Council. Any employee

SectiOD l-Ql..04EMPLOYEES

Officer and Economic Development Coordinator which are assigned to the Mayor's office, on a permanent basis, sbal1
be appointed

office in the above-listed positioos may be terminated by the Mayor in like manner. (Ord. 5163, 5-9-89; Ord, 5408, 7-28-92) A The Mayor may select employees to serve in the Mayor's office by whatever employment process deemed reasonable by the Mayor, with approval of the City Council.
The salaries of employees covered by this Section shall be set by the Mayor, with the approval of the City Council, in conformity with the City-wide salary range, (Ord. 5408, 7-28-92)

of the Mayocli

B.

~tlon

1-01-OSDIVISION OF FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT

(5851, Added, 0tiI23l1998)

Seetlon 1-01-05.1 MISSION The Mission of the Division of Financial Management is to provide leadership for City financial management. to assure that appropriate systems, procedures and skilled staffing are provided to assure that necessary actions are taken to plan for and to protect the City's financial position. to plan City
financial activities, to administer

all City financial transactions, including record keeping and reporting,

consistent with Federal, State and Local laws, rules and regulations and with other accepted standards, and to safeguard City assets and resources,
(5851. Added, 0612311998)

SectiOD 1-01-06.02
A.. financial

RESPONSIBILITIES
Planning

AND DUTIES

1.

Strategic financial planning to facilitate development, adoption implementation oflong term. financial plans, policies, and systems Financial policy development
Financial

and

2.
3.

analysis

4.

Financial projections
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