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All living beings – plants as well as animals, are made up of a large number of basic units called cells. A cell is the structural and functional unit of living beings. The adults human body contains 100 trillion cells. All these cells can trace their origins to a single cell – the fertilized egg i.e. zygote. The zygote passes through a period of rapid cell division. This process of cell division is called mitosis. This results in the formation of millions of cells from a single zygote. After the period of initial rapid division some cells start undergoing changes in their size, shape and contents in preparation of the work they will undertake later. This is called differentiation. Differentiation specializes the cell and enables it to carry out specific functions. These specialized cells come together to form tissues which together form organs and these go on to form various systems in the body. Once the cells differentiate they usually stop dividing. WE STILL DO NOT KNOW HOW THESE CONTROL S WORK. However, this tight control over cell division in some cells is lost and they start dividing indiscriminately to form a mass of cells which is called a tumour. They are of two types benign tumours and malignant tumours. Now the question is what is this ‘control’? Is this control involuntary and independent of nervous system? Is this control stops after the cell division stops or continues till the death of an individual?
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A recent study suggests that cells chat with one another, discussing what they will become – a neuron or a hair, bone or a muscle. David Sprinzak, Tel Aviv University suggests cells know when to chat and when to shut up and let other cells carry on. Sprinzak working with California Institute of Technology researchers, has uncovered the mechanism that allows cells to switch from sender to receiver mode or vice versa, the Journal Public Library of Science Computational Biology reports. This breakthrough opens the way to develop cancer drugs that target these transactions and halt production of cancer cells. I have already stated that the ‘control referred to above is involuntary. Can this be maintained? How can we ensure that the tight control over cell division is not lost so that the chances of onset ’of cancer is eliminated ? Although not very much sure, the role of meditation should be viewed as a health promoter. There are three aspects of health – promotive , preventive and curative aspect of heath. Meditation promotes good health conditions. Meditation enables us to exercise voluntary control over involuntary functions of the body. THUS MEDITATION CAN HELP US COMBAT MALIGNANCY.
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Didier Jambou · Dear Colleagues,

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Also recent works have shown by brain MNR the activation of particular brain areas during meditation; but function of these activations have to be determined. I think we know also at present that immune system is influenced by brain functionning, in particular somes neurotransmitters which could act as intermediates to regulate lymphokines. So, activation of particular brain area during mediation could influence immune system functionning, and indirectly cancer developping. Best regards Didier J
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Filipa Cunha · Aberdeen

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Here is an interesting documentary that can bring some new perspective of how meditation can improve our health : http://www.documentarywire.com/living-matrix-science-of-healing In our full-length film, The Living Matrix – The Science of Healing — we bring you breakthroughs that will transform your understanding of how to get well and stay well. Now you can get an up-close look at the science of information as medicine. Leading researchers and health practitioners share their discoveries on the “miracle cures” traditional medicine can’t explain. The Living Matrix – The Science of Healing, uncovers new ideas about the intricate web of factors that determine our health. We talk with a group of dedicated scientists, psychologists, bioenergetic researchers and holistic practitioners who are finding healing potential in new places. Tapping into the power of information, Leaders in science are examining the body through the lens of quantum physics. They’ve discovered that we’re far more than biochemical machines. Instead, our cells are senders and receivers of information, controlling our health in ways we never imagined.
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Margaret Tyson ·

6.05 · The University of Manchester

If anxiety can be ameliorated by meditation there is a possiblitiy that meditation may help because anxiety may lead to immune dysfunction and inflammation which then may trigger the NF-kB - IL6 -stat3 cancer positive feedback pathway. However, it is improbable that there is a direct effect.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you Margaret for your excellent and most probable reply on such an intriguing topic. We may move ahead with a positive note on this.
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Aditya Parekh ·

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I think the molecular study of the cells of the people involved in different

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stages of meditation may help to unearth the fact of the role of meditation. It's now becoming clear that meditation has a very deep role in biological transmutation.It just may not help in cancer only but help or promote the natural health to a very high level. Still it's in a very infant stage.....................more and more to learn about it.....................
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Didier Jambou · Dear Colleagues,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

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Also recent works have shown by brain MNR the activation of particular brain areas during meditation; but function of these activations have to be determined. I think we know also at present that immune system is influenced by brain functionning, in particular somes neurotransmitters which could act as intermediates to regulate lymphokines. So, activation of particular brain area during mediation could influence immune system functionning, and indirectly cancer developping. Best regards Didier J
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you Dr. Aditya Parekh and Dr. Didier Jambou for your most encouraging and very deep insight views on role of meditation in cancer developing (inhibiting). I will shortly come up with some hypothetical explanation (under preparation) on this topic of great concern from the point of view of human health. Best wishes and regards Anirudh
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Zolzaya Khadbaatar ·

1.49 · RIKEN Ltd.

The meditation relief the stress, which is one of the risk factor for most degenerative diseases. Also, human needs not only physical, but mental and spiritual health as well. So, it will work positively in all 3 aspects of health -promotion, prevention and healing. Thank you Mr.Anirudh Kumar Satsangi for this topic. With best wishes, Zolzaya
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · words. Best wishes and regards Anirudh

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Thank you very much Dear Dr. Zolzaya Khadbaatar for your very kind

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Vijay Singh ·

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All the inputs were very interesting, though no direct scientific evidence is available yet - partly due to the fact that meditation is still considered a subjective state and no study on the degree of depth of meditation is done yet. Probably the real practitioners are least concerned about such scientific endeavors.

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Dear Mr. Singh

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

You are right. You have highlighted the constraints. It's true that most of the real practitioners are least concerned about such scientific endeavors. Meditators should come forward. Swami Vivekananda had once said : " He who helps a man spiritually is the greatest benefactor of mankind". Best wishes and regards.
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Devraj Wodeyar ·

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Mind-body practices that produce a relaxation response have been used by people across cultures for thousands of years to prevent and treat disease. People across different cultures have been using mind body techniques for thousands of years. They found that it didn't particularly matter which techniques was used, whether it was meditation, yoga, breathing, or repetitive praying, they acted via the same underlying mechanism. Now we need to see if similar changes occur in patients who use the relaxation response to help treat stress-related disorders, and those studies are underway now. Today's "cutting edge" genomic analysis and the "latest bioinformatics tools to identify potential gene functions, generating hypotheses that can then be tested in laboratory or clinical studies.There are a lot of differences in gene expression between one healthy person and another, so it is challenging to analyze the kinds of subtle changes we are seeing and identify what changes are significant and what are just background noise. Changes in the activation of these same genes have previously been seen in conditions such as post-traumatic stress disorder; but the relaxation-response-associated changes were the opposite of stressassociated changes and were much more pronounced in the long-term practitioners. Body techniques like yoga and meditation that put the body in a state of deep rest known as the relaxation response, are capable of changing how genes behave in response to stress.

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Dear Mr. Devraj

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Thank you very much. Meditation and Yoga don't change the actual instructions in the genes themselves. Instead they might be able to change which genes get read. Or how much they are read or both. Best wishes Anirudh
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Nutrigenomics states that in every individual human being nutrients and genes interact with each other in a unique manner ultimately determining the metabolic efficiency, physiological capacity and the strength of

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immunity of a person. All these factors as a whole decides the physical and mental wellbeing of a person in particular. In all human beings 99.9% of genomic sequences are same. This small variation of 0.1% in the nitrogen base sequences in our genome creates a total difference between us. Nutrients and genome interacts at two levels: Nutrients can induce or repress gene expression thereby altering individual phenotype. The conceptual basis for nutrigenomic research can be summarized with the following four principles: Common dietary chemicals act on the human genome, either directly or indirectly to alter gene expression. There is ample evidence from researches carried out around the world to prove the role of nutrients in the maintenance of genomic stability. An unstable genome is likely to be more susceptible to various anomalies for instance, cancer. There are several diseases which are directly controlled by genes and have been profoundly influenced by diet. Cancer is one of them. Inherited mutations in genes that could be important in causing susceptibility to cancer include genes involved in the metabolism of carcinogens, or genes involved in nutrient metabolism. Although at the cellular level, cancer is recognized as a disease of genes, there is good epidemiological evidence that this is substantially modulated by environmental factors such as diet. (Debata and Panda, Nutrigenomics: Relationship between diet, genes and our health, DREAM 2047, Vol. 14, No. 1, 2011) It is significant to note here that if the diet has so much influence on gene expression then why not we may consider the influence of MEDITATION AND YOGA ON GENES EXPRESSION. I am fully convinced that meditation and yoga can combat the onset of cancer.
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Rob Streeper ·

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The studies of intercessory prayer seem to indicate that there may be positive health effects. The relatively weak results observed in many studies may speculatively be due to the fact that some pts truly believe, while others are Sunday Christians, i.e. doubters, resulting in a dilution of the effects for true believers which must of course be considered in light of the severity of disease. If meditation is associated with happiness, then it is likely that there will be immune responses. In the course of doing other types of studies we have had the opportunity to do time course monitoring of circulating inflammatory cytokine levels in peripheral blood as part of a drug study and there seemed to be an effect of emotional upset present in the results as measured by multiplex immunoassay of blood plasma inflammatory mediators. Happiness has been linked to decreases in inflammatory cytokines, see for instance Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2011;32(4):458-63. So, an interesting experiment would be to measure the time course of cytokine expression in groups before, during and after meditation. This is easily done and could reveal the substantive effects you are looking for.
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Dear Mr. Streeper The results of prayer are miraculous and unbelievable. The prayer varies depending on the state of mind i.e highly diffused state of mind to highly concentrated state of mind. During meditation we go into highly concentrated state of mind and potentiality of results is also immensely high. Your suggestions are of great value. We may work towards this to verify the remedial effect of meditation on cancer. Thank you very much for your excellent advice. Best wishes Anirudh
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Lyn de Silva ·

3.48 · Healing Oasis

Here's a link to a very short video with the citations on mindfullness meditation which may interest you. They have a series of interviews regarding meditation running at the moment and I found the first one thought provoking. https://www.facebook.com/NICABM?sk=app_102515556471926
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Thank you very much.

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

I presented a paper on ‘Practice of Piyusa Yoga (A Version of Meditation) As A Cost-Effective Approach in Controlling Cancer’ at the Medical Science Section of 88th session of Indian Science Congress held in New Delhi in 2001. In this paper I quoted Dr. N.Anantha, Director, Kidwai Memorial Institute of Oncology, Bangalore, India: “In my experience, I have seen some patients who were suffering from very advanced stage cancer, we have thought would die, but they survived for a long time, and in some there was no evidence of disease when seen after many years. When asked, how this has happened? They said, they developed a strong will to live to look after their dependents, through prayer and things like that”. Piyusa Yoga is Pineal Yoga. Pineal gland is activated through this yoga.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Thank you very much Dear Mr. Lyn de Silva. 'O.Carl Simonton (1974) created a psychotherapy programme and asked his patients to visualize their cancers as healing using a version of meditation, several times a day. He talked with patients and their families and helped them find positive reasons to continue living. After several years he found that a large number of their patients lived significantly longer than statistical expectations for their type and stage of cancer'.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Best wishes Anirudh

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Thank you very much Rajshree.

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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“A study report (Sivaramkrishnan, 1977) revealed that among various religious groups, Parsees have a peculiar cancer pattern, very different from others in Mumbai. Their overall cancer incidence is two to three times that of Hindus and Muslims and ten times that of Jains. They have higher incidence of prostrate, colon, bladder and breast cancers and cervical cancers. The study indicates that many of these patterns are explicable in terms of life styles which differ from region to region, community to community and religion to religion. Difference in cancer incidence exists between Gujaratis and Marathis in Mumbai and Hindi speaking and Assamese speaking in Dibrugarh. The study suggests the identification of specific life styles and/or environmental factors may be taken into consideration while studying the prevention of cancer”. PRACTICE OF MEDITATION AND YOGA IS ALSO A SORT OF LIFE STYLE AND HAVE SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN PREVENTION OF CANCER
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

In one survey by International Meditation Centre, Westminister, Maryland, USA, 65% of National Cancer Institute Treatment Centres offered meditation or relaxation therapy along with the usual medical care. Another research shows that meditation increases levels of melatonin an important hormone that supports the immune systems.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Melatonin is known oncostatic agent, any factor that depresses it production secretion or actions in humans may contribute to an increased cancer risk. Melatonin is a primary regulator of the immune system and is powerful anti-oxidant (free-radical fighter) Melatonin inhibits cancer cell growth, and can kill directly many different types of human tumour cells. Studies have revealed cancer patients have low levels of melatonin, while further studies have revealed those who meditate have low rates of cancer.
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

The recent advances in technology provides support for the theory that meditation helps to reduce or treat cancer. Meditation increases the grey amtter of the brain. Grey matter involves in synthesis of 'tau' protein. which works just like a chmotherapy Taxol in binding to microtubule. I Quote the following passage from WIKIPEIDA:"A single study has been suggested that microtubule associated protein-2 (MAP2) and tau bind on the inner microtubule surface on same site in tubulin monomers as the drug Taxol which is used in treating cancer [7]. However, the evidence is in favor of MAP2 and tau binding to the outer microtubule surface and this study has not been confirmed. MAP2 binds in a cooperative manner with many MAP2 proteins binding a single microtubule to promote stabilization. Tau as well helps to stabilize microtubules, however it forms the additional, important function of facilitating bundling of microtubules within the nerve cell [8"}

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · quote some views on it.

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Thank you very much Siva for excellent information. I also would like to "However, immunotherapy is still in its experimental stage and is not yet a standard mode of treatment like chemotherapy and radiotherapy (Bhisey, 2000)". According to Dr. Dave (2003), Director, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi: ".....the other part of the revolution is at holistic level. Realizing the role of mental stress in diseases, and that of mental peace in self-healing and finding scientific support for mind-body relationship in psychoneuroimmunology there has been a tendency to turn to ancient wisdom/ancient disciplines such as yoga combine superb life styles with potent prescriptions for mental peace".
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

I appreciate your feedback, Anirudh. It is indeed an urgent need to approach cancer and mental illness treatment in a holistic way. I hope now is the time to explore further our ancient systems of treatments.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Thank you very much, Siva.

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Akash be · hi sir,

7.36 · Sir M. Visvesvaraya Insititute of Technology

i have read in some books that man can control his cells metabolic activity i,e with the help of the oxygen they intake through meditation.....they make their body to go into their hibernate stage so as done in plants and animals to survive without food for longer periods.....For the person who is affected by cancer, waves like theta can be passed for long periods to bring his cells under control.....this meditation technique was followed by our saints to stay healthy and focused.....Its not a quick medication.....it requires lot of patience and dedication.......
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Thank you Akash. Excellent comments like Siva's previous two comments. Practice of meditation and yoga needs some precautions too. According to Prof. N.A.Dabholkar (1993) [Former Dean, Faculty of Medicine, University of Bombay] : "Yoga is a technique of increasing the depth of our observation. It awakens us to the realities of existence. Concentration, meditation and realisation are three principal practices of yoga. Mere practice of postural exercises and cleansing processes reduce yoga to a technique of physiotherapy, with increase in illusory attachment with the body. Mere practice of concentration and meditation for self-realisation only leads to the development of additional dimensions to already existing delusion, that may land our body in the lunatic asylum. We should maintain a balance in these practices for physical, mental, social and spiritual well-being".
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Siva Somasundaram ·

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Thank you Anirudh. I just want to add one of the fascinating facts about meditation effect on genetic level by Dr. Herbert Bensen, Harvard Medical School. Scientists have clearly demonstrated that three are particular genes that predispose a person to specific diseases can be influenced through DNA by peaceful thoughts gained from continuous meditation practices.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you Siva. Dr. Bensen's work is very significant. Meditation can change genes expression and thus can change our destiny. We should popularize such belief amongst the masses.
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

I agree that we should do publicize this among people. The scientific facts are available to the public. However, I observe that there is a missing link due to lack of a process to address the masses. I am trying a simple solution/process from my own experiences. To my end, I am teaching Biology Gradutes and Undergraduate students and addressing this issue in our Honor Society meetings where public masses are attending. In fact, I use to give meditation training 15-30 minutes in my regular undergarduate biology-Physiology classes apart from my other regular curriculum. In summer 2012, I am joining with Education School to provide summer workshops on 'Teach the Teachers' about the importance of meditation and we will urge the school teachers about the importance of scientific training of meditation to develop the academic skills and memory power of students from elementary School to high School. In addition, we expect to share the successful stories to other school districts. Thus, we propose to keep meditation as a part of daily routine for healthy and prosperous life.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

I agree with you Siva and appreciate your great efforts. We may share our experiences at individual level which may also be extended at Institution level. Best wishes.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Yoga Nidra: A Healing Practice for People Living with Cancer by Julie Friedeberger (Priyashakti, U.K.): "I have practiced Yoga Nidra since 1985 and have been teaching it almost as long. In 1993, when I was diagnosed with breast cancer, yoga nidra became a central, indispensable part of my yoga practice, which as a whole was the key factor in my recovery, and in the longer term, my healing. This experience left me with a deeper trust in yoga and a stronger commitment to teaching it". (Source: YOGA, Sivananda Math Munger, Bihar, India, Year 7, Issue 4, p.32)
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

Thank you Anirudh, This is really a good experience as a result of " Yoga Nidra". There are certain scientific principles that needs to uncover by modern technology.
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Manoj Gnanaprakasam ·

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Siddha (South Indian Medical Practice) also strongly suggests that Sleeping is the Best way that your body can heal itself. use of very unique fragrances can induce sleeping with healing properties...
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Julie further writes: “I believe that yoga and healing are fundamentally the same. The word ‘yoga’ means union: yoking, uniting, bringing together. The Oxford Dictionary defines the word ‘heal’ as: ‘To make whole, or sound; to unite, after being cut or broken’. So yoga and healing share both meaning and goal: integration, harmony, and balance on all levels of our being. Every aspect of yoga has a role to play in the healing process. Relaxation is fundamental to healing. When regularly practiced, relaxation calms the sympathetic nervous system and activates the parasympathetic nervous system. Deep relaxation slows and regulates breathing, lowers heart rate and blood pressure, releases muscular, mental and emotional tension. It alleviates the anxiety and stress that depress immune function, and creates the conditions that enhance it. Since cancer, broadly speaking, is a complex of conditions in which a compromised immune system is failing to cope with the proliferation of damaged cells, a practice that stimulates the immune response is likely to be helpful”.
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Manju Pathak ·

4.36 · Amity University

It may help but only when you meditate rightly and adapt yogic attitudes in life. It prevents the secretion of harmful hormones.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Thank you Manju. I agree with you. Meditation should be practiced under qualified meditation instruction.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Friedeberger writes -

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Therapeutic usage of yoga nidra is similar to radiotherapy. Julie

Yoga Nidra is a transformative practice that can bring about change on a profound level. Swami Satyananda Saraswati says: “The profound experience of muscular, mental and emotional relaxation attainable in yoga nidra enables a balance of psychic and vital energies within the psychic channels (nadis) of the energy framework underlying the physical body. Free flow of these energies forms the basis of optimal physical and mental health.” Every part of the practice of yoga nidra works to free blocked energy.
Nov 3, 2011

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Kundalini Yoga in cancer relief. More and more people in the counseling, religious, and medical fields are becoming acquainted with Kundalini, can recognize its symptoms, and are able to help with its process. It is an area in which all ‘help’ and health professionals should have a working knowledge. ……..Symptoms are different in each individual because each person has blocks, or energy concentration, in different areas.-----------……………..One woman, under a doctor’s care, found she had symptoms of cancer, diabetes and heart trouble, as well as other problems, in a two

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year period; the symptoms later disappeared by themselves as the cleansing continued. (Source: Kumdalini And The Chakras by Genevieve Lewis Paulson).
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

It is purely of eastern philosophy of 'Kundalini energy" changing the physiology of human being. I do not find a scientific rationale. However, I could speculate using the modern stem cell technologies. Cleansing or awakening the kundalini may impact the regeneration of stem cells like embryonic stem cells and increase in population to suppress the old and abnormal aged cells.
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Prashant C.K. ·

9.23 · All India Institute of Medical Sciences

The physio-psychological kundalini is a real energy existing in all humans. Requires a guru or master to awaken it. Its a rare event hence the doubts regarding its existence. I talk from personal experience. It completely changes the body's metabolism and even your nervous system and has tremendous healing powers by infusing pranic energy into the body-mind system.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Thank you Siva, Thank you Prashant. Practice of various types of meditation and yoga has its role in promotive aspect of health and preventive aspect of health. In curative aspect of health its role has still to be established scientifically. In fact the truth is, when body chemistry is disturbed we are at risk to depend solely on practice of meditation and yoga. However, it should be practiced along with traditional therapies. Meditation and yoga will certainly increase the effectiveness and efficiency of traditional therapies. We have already discussed some role of meditation and yoga as chemotherapy (activation of melatonin) and as radiotherapy (removing of blocks responsible for causing diseases). I was thinking and Siva, you have confirmed its role as cell mediated therapy . To-day (9th Nov.) a news published in The Times of India (pg. 14): "Researchers at the national cancer institute in Maryland showed how a drug could be created which sticks to tumours, but is only activated when hit by specific waves of light". If light waves have such a great effect then the effect of spiritual force current will be immensely high on traditional therapies if meditation and yoga is practiced under a Guru as suggested by Prashant.
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Siva Somasundaram ·

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I absolutely agree both of you. Guru is the spiritual teacher like other physical or materialistic studies teachers. Guru know sthe ways of practicing the techniques because he has already gone through the techniques thoroughly and knows the problems of the techniques. Light energy is already existing inside our body. If we awaken or continuous practice we can stimulate inside the tissues and make a healing approach with or without chemo.
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Thank you very much Siva. Practice of meditation and yoga is highly cost-effective too and without any side effects.
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

I would like to recommend our discussion group to visit the following URL. This is an ongoing clinical trial III for breast cancer patients to practice Yoga and meditation. NIH provides 4.5 million to Dr. Cohen to study the effect of Yoga on cancer patients. http://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/news-releases/2010/md-anderson-receives-4-5-million-grant-largest-ever-for-study-of-yogaand-cancer.html We expect that the pharmaceutical industries would provide additional funds for this type of research and should not feel that they are threatened by the eastern philosophy/treatment of healing chronic illnesses noninvasively.
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Prashant C.K. ·

9.23 · All India Institute of Medical Sciences

Thank you both Anirudh and Siva. Incidently 'Siva', or Mahadeva is the adiguru, the first master who gave the knowledge of kundalini to the seers or rishis. His celestial weapon is the trident or trishul which represents the three principle nadis or etheric nerves( in subtle body) which are IDA , PINGALA AND SUSHUMNA also known as ganga, yamuna and saraswati. Sushumna (called saraswati as it is hidden as the river saraswati is hidden) is the channel that needs to be activated for kundalini to rise to sahasrara or the brain. Thought waves are the most powerful waves and travel the fastest. Hence the saying mind travels fastest. When your Agnya centre (in the forehead) is active you receive the guru's command in real time through telepathic messages. An important aspect of yoga or spiritual meditation is granthi bhedana. The sacred thread worn by brahmins has 3 threads or 6 threads and is knotted at 3 places (representing the 3 nadis or 6 chakras). There are three principal knots in the subtle spinal cord called Brahma granthi, Vishnu granthi and Siva granthi (represented by three sivalingas called BANA, ITARA AND PARA). Brahma granthi lies at the base near the muladhara chakra and represents a jiva's attachment to lust, materialistic aspirations and all sensual pleasures. When kundalini awakens, it pierces this granthi to move up and is very painful. You will not be able to sit or lie on your back for at least two days( personally experienced by me). Next is Vishnu granthi which lies at the heart centre or Anahata chakra and represents a jiva's emotional attachments. You need to let go of them including the desire to preserve your own life. Siva Granthi lies in the Agnya chakra and represents the jiva's intellectual abilities which makes him proud. Hence the ego has to be lost. Its only then that MA KALI or kundalini can move freely to her SIVA in the brain. We all know of KALI'S image of her standing on SIVA'S chest. The image means that every man is Shiva but without his kundalini he is a Shava or dead body. When mother awakens and merges with her shiva in your brain centre, you enter Nirvikalpa samadhi. You realize yourself as the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient soul.
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Siva Somasundaram · its significant functions.

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Thank you Prashanth for your clear perception of the kundalini force and

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you very much Siva. I am delighted to visit the site you have recommended. It’s a really great satisfaction that the importance of yoga and meditation is recognized worldwide. Today (11.11.2011) again a news published in The Times of India (pg. 12) that the Indian Scientists and Ministry of Health are seriously thinking to declare cancer notifiable disease like in many Western Countries where it is a notifiable disease. The number of cancer patients is alarmingly increasing. The practice of meditation and yoga has a great role in health promotion and prevention of diseases.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Thank you Prashant. I am sorry for responding your comments late. Your comments are of very high spiritual value. Here is a clip which supplements your views: “Life is energy and chakras are about energy. The universal life force circulates through us and brings us the experience of life. The chakras are the storehouses and transmitters of the universal energy, and each of the chakras represent distinct frequencies within the universal. The chakras interact with the electromagnetic energy field and transform this into the energy that sustains our lives”. (Chakras The Energy of Life by David Pond)
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Lyn de Silva ·

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Just came across a very good video on Mindfullness which you may enjoy - it also mentions cancer and other conditions. Includes the science. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8ftmmhmw&feature=rellist& playnext=1&list=PLC5DEB989EBB8A6D9
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Thank you very much Lyn.
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Erich Hamberger · Dear collegues,

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In 2005 I published a communication-gradient-modell, which is perhaps interesting in this context. According to this model, human beings have the capability to affect their own and other communication systems positively and negatively; an example of a positive effect could be meditation (for details see: E. Hamberger: Transdisciplinarity. A Scientfic Essential, in: Bradlow, Leon et. al. (Eds): Signal Transduction and Communication in Cancer Cells, Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, Vol 1028, 487-496. New York)
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you very much Dear Dr. Erich Hamberger. Would you let us know some more details of this model of great significance?
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Thanks Anirudh for the question: The structure of this communicationgradient-model is the following: Along with the increasing complexity of realms of being (materia, microorganisms, plants/animals, man/human beings) comes an increasing abilitiy and also a necessity to communicate. In other words: The greater the ability to communicate, the greater the necessity to communicate (= communication-ability gradient and the communication-necessity gradient). Along with these two „horizontal“ communication-gradients two „vertical“ communication-gradients are postulated: the positive communicationpossibility gradient (+) and the negative communicative-possibility gradient (-), representing positive and negative developments, respectively, especially as applied to the less-complex communication levels. According to this model it is evident, that human beings have – in principle - the capability to influence problematic communication-acting within their own body (e.g. cancer) in a positive way; and meditation seems to be – as far as I can see - a good example for this positive acting.
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Manik Vohra ·

8.24 · University of Jammu

I knew meditation helps in improving health but i was unaware of this aspect of meditation thanx al for enlightening me and many otherssssssss...............
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Michael Baudis ·

5.9 · University of Zurich

No, it can't, as simple as that.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you all Dear Erich, Manik and Michael. I agree that it is not so easy and simple. But meditation and yoga has definite role in healing process. This has been accepted by even medical professionals. Once malignancy is diagnosed meditation and yoga should not be recommended as substitute for traditional therapies like radiotherapy, chemotherapy and use of epigenetic pharmaceuticals. But it should be practiced along with these therapies. Meditation and yoga will support, reinforce and enhance the effectiveness of traditional therapies. Recently I visited Wikipedia to refer to epigenetics. I found there: “Current research has shown that epigenetic pharmaceuticals could be a putative replacement or adjuvant therapy for currently accepted treatment methods such as radiation and chemotherapy, or could enhance the effects of these current treatments”. Practice of meditation and yoga will multiply the effects of treatments.
Nov 26, 2011

Michael Baudis · Anirudh,

5.9 · University of Zurich

you formulated it quite nicely in the 1st paragraph, though I would use "could" instead of "should". Parallel to any proven medical therapy, people may do whatever makes them feel good; and this certainly can be yoga or meditation, or enjoying a good read in a comfortable environment etc. As for the 2nd paragraph: This is a nonsense statement. Never quote Wikipedia - you may refer to it for some quick (and sometimes deep) knowledge, but some of the information there is opinionated nonsense.

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What are epigenetic pharmaceuticals anyway? There are actually, besides some very specific therapies, no "genetic pharmaceuticals" (if you exclude DNA damaging chemotherapeuticals which just are to initiate cell death). On the other hand, anything modifying gene expression acts "epigenetically". www.progenetix.org @progenetix @mbaudis
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Prashant C.K. ·

9.23 · All India Institute of Medical Sciences

We are scientists..............we should not be biased as to whether a phenomenon or method leads to some outcome or not.........the first principles are to admit that a problem exists in the first place. Its like Arthur Avalon mentions in his 'THE SERPENT POWER' that a doctor cuts up a dead body and says he could not find a soul in it. Or as one of the best scientists of our times, R.P.Feynman would have put it, "when you look yourself in the mirror, do you find yourself looking at just a combination of atoms in a fantastically complicated arrangement orchestrating this phenomenon of life?" Meditation and its results are as verifiable as any other science. Take it up as a science and follow the prescribed methods just as any scientific method has protocols and you can verify whether what was found 5000 years ago by seers is still valid or not. You have just one instrument-------your own mind to use. They said thousands of years ago that everything is just a vibration.......................modern STRING THEORY in physics starts by assuming that every sub-atomic and atomic particle is a vibration!! The building blocks of this material universe that you see around you are a manifestation of different modes of vibration...................any quantum physicists out there may contradict me or correct me please but I know even Shrodinger became a follower of THE GITA and accepted the MAYA THEORY precisely because of this very fact..........and he started it all with a wave function that is represented by the greek letter PSI (coincidence that PSI is similar to SHIVA'S weapon, the trident!!!) I would like to add to Dr. Erich's postulate...................the higher the being, the more developed are the communication skills. There are three things.......SHABDA, ARTHA AND GYANA............translated as WORD or the vibration, the meaning of the WORD and the KNOWLEDGE of the word that is communicated which is the result of a mental reaction to the WORD. If I abuse someone in a language he does not know, he won't mind....for the simple fact that there is no mental reaction to it and hence no knowledge as to what the WORD communicates. I mention this to emphasize that higher thoughts require words to express them.........................it is necessary per se that higher beings such as us develop the faculty of speech to express the fine realms of human thought processes. People who are ready to discard any idea on the face of it may start with this: do you have a biochemical explanation as to what and where a thought arises in the brain? Meditation is a far higher mode in which the mind works..........mind.......brain......brain......mind.....is it same? Is it just a physical entity?......I would like views on what your own views are on this aspect. I apologize if I sound boring or philosophical.........but these questions are pertinent when the topic itself is as subtle as meditation.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you Michael. I am highly impressed with your thought provoking statement: "Parallel to any proven medical therapy, people may do

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whatever makes them feel good; and this certainly can be yoga or meditation, or enjoying a good read in a comfortable environment etc" Thank you Prashant. I very much appreciate your very high philosophical explanation. Although it is out of the context of our current discussion but I would like to quote few lines on WORD from Bible: "In the beginning was the WORD, the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD is GOD". .We can penetrate into the secrets of WORD though the practice of meditation and yoga. We can connect ourselves with the Source through the practice of meditation and yoga. A resistance to connection to Source/Universe /Divinity causes illness and if this resistance is removed it brings health and happiness in addition to realization of self or knowledge of self.
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Didier Jambou · Indeed Anirudh,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals A personal opinion (and also for me possible interpretation of Genesis sentence you quoted): sounds are vibrations with particular wavelenght, like all vibrations. We have a continuum between the lowest wavelenght of some vibration and the highest ones with different orders: light, sounds, radiofrequency, subatomic frequency linked to radioactivity... and so on And energy transfer is possible between vibrations, as a sound and matter structure (as for fluorescence mechanism with excitation and emission with different wavelenghts for photon absorbed and emitted). Indeed, in the area of sound , supra-sounds can brake glasses and infrasounds can brake metal , if sufficiently powerful. So, pehraps more than the word itself, in this sentence, it could be the vibration of God's "voice" that interact to organized matter; and also in Genesis, it's talked about word before light is quoted. Meditation could coordinate all vibrations of matter of our body, with a brain control; perhaps also the possible effect of mantra practiced by tibetan monks with a special voice to have an effect on their body and of others. Always personal; to study. Regards Didier
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Thank you very much Didier
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75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

It's amazing. Excellent scientific explanation of our views on WORD.

Muresanu Cristian · Hi, to everybody

23.23 · Romanian Television

I am so happy to find out your interest in studying the effects of consciously flooding the body with the latent energies everyone has, most of all I am happy due to fact you wish to do this, as I felt over 7 years ago, with scientific methodology. It is of highly importance that we should continue these studies in this manner because when the western world would have irefutable evidences about how these energies can cure or at least significantly ameliorate a health problem, then the entire view over medical science will changed forever. I am so sorry I cannot offer you for free my entire 400 pages book in english*** language. I only succeded to publish a small paper in IJES journal. I was amazed it had been accepted even so, because too much these phenomena are explained using only mystical ways. I did it in science language. There is quite a lot of physiological aspects when someone is consciosuly able to handle those

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energies and get health and youth back. Well, it's rather not wasting them because at the origine they are biological material resources and somehow, this is the word, somehow, in certain conditions they are biotransformable into vital energy of some sort. This is what the western world wish to see. They wish to see this transformation with... yet uninvented scanning technology (but soon available), they wish to see it really happening inside the living body, within the vesicula to show once and forever that what eastern traditions thought us thousands of years ago really do exist. So, yes, it is a must that this visual evidence must be available sometime. I can only confirm through my experience that this transformation is so powerful that at least at its very beginning must be somehow visible in a certain way. This is the reason I had published the book, the article and also writing on this great forum, the only one to my knowledge, when real scientists wish to help medical science making a step forward. Needles to say that at this very present moment, Science and Nature rejected such infos, and it's not their fault because we no longer can stay in the obsolete position of "believing without researching". We must develop the visualisation technique in order to this evidence to be available to all medical science, whatever western or eastern ... I thank you so much for your interest in this subject and I encourage you to continue. Possible many others will join this group and might have nice ideas too. You may read my short article here http://ijes.info /1/2/4254121.pdf Biotransformations Controlled by the Mind, signed Cristian Muresanu and a poorly english translation of the most important parts of my book here www.scribd.com/doc/34145683 /Biotransformations-under-the-Influence-of-the-Mind-Excerpts *** my book had been written only in romanian language unfortunately
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

Hi Muresanu Cristian, Thank you for the detailed information. I read the article. It is interesting to me.Your information provide support of the ancient philosophical thoughts of Yoga. which I read in Autobiography of a Yogi , from which I am quoting the following " By KRIYA, (Yoga) the outgoing life force is not wasted and abused in the senses, but constrained to reunite with subtler spinal energies. By such reinforcement of life, the yogi's body and brain cells are electrified with the spiritual elixir. Thus he removes himself from studied observance of natural laws, which can only take him-by circuitous means as given by proper food, sunlight, and harmonious thoughts-to a million-year Goal. It needs twelve years of normal healthful living to effect even slight perceptible change in brain structure, and a million solar returns are exacted to sufficiently refine the cerebral tenement for manifestation of cosmic consciousness." In this quote "Spiritual elixir", I assume the word "bioplasma" from your article may be the same. It is my opinion that our body tissues of different organs may be beneficial by the " bioplasma" to stimulate their "stem cells' of respective organs and keep them young and energetic . Also, "bioplasma" may dispose or remove abnormal-cancer cells from the site by stimulating cytotoxic T-cells, (immune cells) or tissue macrophage to destroy the abnormal cells. I hope we can confirm scientifically using specific biomarkers and prove the 'bioplasma" hypothesis, where current medical sciences have no clue.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Thank you for your reply ! Yes, they are possible the same. I hope one day all these should be visible and recordable. Even more then that, they

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might be available in practical manner. If school children would be thought to preserve their resources (without having abstinence) then they'll grow up as more healthier, focused and balanced adult persons, capable of being mentally and physiologically enhanced and even more then that. Here in some of our schools, the gimnazium 18-18 years old school children already have my free book (one which is an excerpt of 112 pages form the original). This is all I could do until now. Economy is going down here so funds are missing. Again thank you for the interest.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

If someone might help translate my book into a professional english I'll offer the book free for publication... the problem is I am not well trained to do it myself.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Best wishes
Dec 7, 2011

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you very much for a very forwarding looking comments.

Prashant C.K. ·

9.23 · All India Institute of Medical Sciences

Cancers represent a group of phenotypes caused by genetic alterations as we know (gain of function or loss of function mutations). The question as to whether a person suffering from it can benefit from meditation itself is a bit tricky. An adept who knows how to control the vital force (prana) in the body (gained by meditation of course) can channel the energy to the diseased site and can definitely cure himself. Question is how many can do that. Its a subtle science. Look at the attached image of Caduceus which is the universal symbol in medicine. Its exactly the western analog of Mother Kundalini rising from the base lotus with the two serpents representing the ida and pingala etheric nerves which are opposites of each other. Hence this Universal Mother is known and recognized for her healing and transformation powers everywhere. Ying-Yang represent the IDA and PINGALA channels. Get hold of this power. That is the sole purpose of human existence. But it is an extremely arduous and difficult task. Only when you have worked hard with your practices in meditation can she be realized and let loose inside you. Its the most amazing thing to happen in your body. I agree there are 99% fake faith healers out there but as Swami Vivekanada always said " well, what are they imitating?". It is this vital and purest of energies and there is no limit to HER powers, healing, occult, spiritual etc.etc. People get skeptical about such claims especially us scientists. Its a good thing but at least we should study and explore this tremendous untapped energy within us before writing such things off as nonsensical and of little scientific value. And meditation is the only way you can know and access this healing power. Yes, it is metaphysics and comes in the realm of philosophy. Physics itself ends in probability from which it cannot escape and this probability is the starting point of this greatest of all sciences. All that is required is tremendous faith in yourself and perseverance on your part. That's all.

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Siva Somasundaram · Hi Prasanth,

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

I agree with your concepts. However, in the last sentence you wrote, "All that is required is tremendous faith in yourself and perseverance on your part. That's all." Yes, we need to know "How to develop faith in ourselves?" is a challenging question. To answer this questions we need to undergo a series of systematic training both physical and spiritual. People who have undergone that training and realized themselves could show the way for others.
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ARUN P Venu · Hi Siva,

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

for that efficient training physically and spiritually ,we have to obtain a pure mind filled with all kinds of human values.......in this world of disappearing human values how could we achieve that proper training? do you think its possible?
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

The proper training is possible. The purity of mind can be obtained through the protracted practice of meditation. Practice of meditation should be the part of our life style. We should work to create awareness for this and should not waste our energy on values, virtues etc. They are the by products of meditation and yoga. We should inculcate the habit to practice meditation and yoga at least 15-30 minutes daily in the morning and in the evening or at bed time.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Well spoken indeed. However, from I had observed in my western society, where I live, here in Romania, is that even if we have over 10.000 peoples who, ... at least claims, that they are interested in this, the main problem, some of them might say, is that there is not enough time and space to practice. However, from my own experience, as described in my book, for the very first stages of practice, there is no need for free time neither special environmental conditions. The first stage, (without nothing is possible), is represented by (and I am sure this word is known to all of you) the phenomena of kundalini rising or awakening. This can be trained and results can be obtained, and no free time is needed for this. However, for purifying the mind, this goal is a much more profound one and this do takes some skills and effort. But let's see for the moment a bigger picture: millions of millions of young people

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awakening just kundalini and stay that way. Even no other notable results will come (which in fact is not so... results are starting to follow then) the first very important effects of only awakening this is: getting back health, a lesser need for food ~ sometimes astonishing ( I had almost every year such events), half the need of so called normal sleep, amazing focus and mind control and a powerful vital enhancement of all body ~ even slow aging (I don't wish to fall into ridicule but too many from my colleges, friends and relatives told me that something is different at my look). Your proposal about purifying the mind is really among the greatest spiritual achievements one might have but this should be taken into consideration as a "stage two", following after the kundalini "stage one" awakening. So, if we are referring to the fact that unfortunately a high majority of people on this world just don't handle well this inner energy, then it is very premature to speak about "stage two". On the other hand, if we are referring to people already prepared and trained in this "stage one" then obviously you are correct. This is what must be following. My mostly daily practice for maintaining "stage one" had presented on pages 13-14 from my paper (very briefly unfortunately) and anyone can see that these 5 conditions do not require special free time, environmental issues... just doing whatever everyone must and feel to do, but under these 5 ... attitudes of life. Well, of course, to some degree, someone having my inner experience and beyond somehow will notice a calmer mind but not perfect pure, a better health if the previous illnesses were not extremely severe, and so on. I would say: this is just a nice enhancement, just like "stepping" from a Windows 98 computer to a XP service pack 3 one... It is much better, but far from perfect or having a continuously stillness of the mind. Eckhart Tolle might have more to say about this, from his own experience, but not me. Again, this is wonderful to read great interest in this subject ! Sorry for being ... too long this time. About how difficult might be attaining "stage one"... well, easier when you are young, heavier after 40's and almost impossible after 50's... but let's be optimistic and say that if early is trained then easier to do. About "stage two"... well... this is really hard to say but definitely is very very subtle and difficult. Tolle didn't passed it by doing practice, but by having a very hard and violent life experience nearby suicide (he actually wrote this in his book). So I really don't know to say much about this. But at least controlling this inner basic energy, that should not be a problem for people aging between 14-25... still easier until 30... heavier after 35, very heavy after 40... and dramatically less possible after 50 years old. I mean, if someone didn't do it until his 50's... and lived a low quality of life then what should expect other things then pain, illnesses and sorrow... I know how I was and now I know how I am at almost 48 years old.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you very much. I feel we are entering into a very interesting phase of our discussion. We can meditate even at our work place sitting or standing. To start with we can do it for some seconds also. This will inculcate habit for prolonged practice of meditation. Only thing is required, we should be honest with ourselves and with others. Honesty is the best policy. We should only depend on our hard earned money. Then we will witness in a very short time that the results are miraculous, beyond our imagination.
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ARUN P Venu ·

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Really interesting.......but is there any possibility to start it in 40s and be effective? How can I get a guide to start this?From where can I get your book, Cristian?

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ARUN P Venu ·

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

So what's your personal experience ,which was that miraculous, Anirudh?
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Hi, Arun. My book is available only in romanian language unfortunately. About 50 pages from it are translated into english but compared to my paper, that was a very poor translation. I had uploaded for free here: www.scribd.com/doc/34145683/Biotransformations-under-the-Influenceof-the-Mind-Excerpts and for the rest of unwritten details I can only guide you through internet. Even the romanian book does not contain some of the very intimate details regarding how this transformation might be triggered by someone who already had trained several years by cultivating those 5 conditions or attitudes of life. I say that because it's just like having an exam, for example we learn, take notes and making lab experiments one semester and then comes the examination which is done in a unusual matter with all the books and notes in front of the table, which means the results are expected to be something which is not base upon memory but from deep insight analises. Similarly, after a longer or shorter practice the results may or may not appear, depending on some issues. However, what you should daily watching more then everything else is not to lose semen. But this should not be as a result of not having intimate relation, but on the contrary - one must continue to have this, but not daily (because if it is daily other problems might occur). Everything which one is doing in his or her life must be place in the middle line. Living by the middle line is the best way of not getting into trouble. When Tolle was asked which he choose between living in fear and living in ecstasy he said: the peace is beyond both of them. Intimate relations should be looked as very powerful tools in order to amplify inner energies, but only if they are done without losing semen, otherwise, as in western world is happening, the intimate relations are the tools for destroying the body and mind. There is a word known in your traditions called brachmacharya but this has two stages : one is the brachmacharya over the body, when someone is living completely without loosing semen and continuously transforming it into energy 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. However when the transformation is happening this way, one might lose maybe once or twice a year because this will not affect his vitality. This process is not yet studied enough, thus is not completely understood by either scientists or mystics. This is not a process that if I am going to apply into my life then the free will of having a family, children, should be lost. What the western world doesn't know is that when someone is having this ongoing semen transformation, his semen should not contain 200 millions of reproductive cells (as described in anatomy books) because due to the high speed and rate of biotransformations, there always can be found very low number (this is yet to be proven by advanced visualisation scanning). So basically the correct brachmacharya is done not when someone is no longer loosing semen by living in a complete retreat and fighting with himself and his body temptations, a battle often lost by many, but the correct way is when having this biotransformation mechanism switched "ON" such as 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, without any other effort, this is self-mantaining and someone can live his life without any other worries in his mind. Healths is restaurd, sleep becomes less then 4 hours (I am experiencing between 2 and 4 hours daily ... and even so, those hours I can listen relaxing music, I can hear the music while sleeping because I have a PMP player always plugged in to an audio amplifier), food is somewhere between 100 grams to 300 grams daily... and may other nice advantages emerges. The "stage two" of brachmacharya is on the mind, when someone becomes so powerful then he no longer dream or have wishes of erotic meetings, but again, i must

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emphasize that this doesn't mean someone must live without having intimate relations, but he or she can freely choose to have or not. It's just a matter of choice and not an obligation due to mind fluctuations or body vibrations. On this "stage two" (not fully accomplished by me, but very close to it) the inner peace rises as a powerful background over all our daily intentions, actions, speak, body functions so on... This became so powerful then many events, which earlier were stressful to me in the past, now they are no longer so... also the attchements of the mind for small and unusefull things dissapears. So, basically this is what someone should start with, when approaching this way of life. Still details remain to be presented ... I didn't say all about... I hope this is clear until here....
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ARUN P Venu · Hi Muresanu,

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Yes..up to this clear for me....the refinement or improvement have been experienced by myself too..I too had felt or experienced a peaceful mind and body condition when I used to avoid the erotic thoughts and even visuals in the television media a period around 8 months.But I lost it unfortunately due to environmental influences.
Dec 9, 2011

Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, it's very good for a start. If your brachmacharya over the body already working well then the stage two of brachmacharya over mind is a little more difficult but already keep in mind that your achievement is very good. Also, what I feel it would be in the middle line is just observe the mind and what it wishes... don't fight against it, just observe at let it wishes what it wants. If the body will be more and more flooded with energy the mind too will receive this energy and when it riches a certain level, suddenly all the wishes are gone, just like a miraculous... but in reality the wishes of the mind are very powerful related to how much energy is in the body. I did verified this with the wishes of the food. Let me offer you an example. More then 6 years, after triggering my bioalchemy over the body, I could not get rid the chocolate taste and the chocolate itself. I knew this was still a bad thing in my ... not daily but weekly diet, even the rest of it was based upon natural food. I couldn't understand why my mind and the body still wanted this. Then, in january this year, after two very powerful intimate relations with my girlfirends, my biotransformation level was so high, and mantained it there till now, that almost suddenly my wishes for the taste of chocolate was gone for the rest of my life. This was such a dissapearance that even amazed me how could that happen after 42 years in my life eating chocolate... It was really amazing to see that happening. So, after this event, I understood that some of the most powerful wishes of the mind are powerful only because our energy is still weak. There is nothing else that I could have as a better theory except this explanation. I could not do it by autosuggestion, I could not do it by force, by autowill imposed,... I just could not do it ... and I felt that I am not a good disciple to my path. So, I accepted this at first and tried to live my life in most joy as possible and after 6 years, this surprise came out. Well, the erotic wishes are much much more powerful then a food taste attachement but still they should be solved in the same manner. But also there is one more thing needed in addition to that. When a bad emotion appears, don't fight it, just let it manifest and when it had reached a highest level, with very great attention and with very powerful observation over it IT WILL JUST MIRACULOUSLY TRANSFORM ITSELF into a neutral energy, something like caloric energy, bursting violently into your body and after that you'll see that this kind of wishes are gone. However, due to the very old morphogenetic field (postulated by the biologist Ruppert Sheldrake) your consciousness might catch up this

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wish again, but it will manifest at a lower level of intensity, because you already passed a stage and had accumulated more vital energy in the body on the first event. I had just recently passed such an event myself and I know it was difficult and somehow painful but now I am much more powerful to this kind of wishes. I presume in time those will slow down even they might not dissapear completely, but they can slow down to a rate that will not affect you anymore. And after that, you may watch freely no matter media, erotic journals, or see beautiful women around you and your calmness will stay as it is. And when this happens you'll experience the joy of the peaceful warrior who won this battle in within. This will be a heroic emotion.
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Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals Indeed, interesting discussion. However, I think that for a wide spreadout of our knowledges, and agrement by different cultures, as done perhaps in Muresanu book, we have to use "standardized" methods, even with 'qualitative' characteristics of events, and possible subjective interpretation (but which reality and truth for subjective or objective observations ? depending on referential). Also, I think we have to distingish in our brain functionning its different levels (classical one, measurable and other capabilities not defined at present): the upper level of consciousness and a lower level allowing to our brain to analyze all events occuring in our body, even incounsciously (as the case for breathing and heart beatting), by mean of biological sensors. This sensors are very well developped in some essential functions for life of our body; and food takes part. We have sensor for all levels of this function (hormonal, receptors to nutrients in digestive tracts ...). In response, our brain respond to adapt our needs of food , to that is happening at a cellular level. When someone suffers from a severe hypoglycemia, autonomous nervous system trigger some reactions to adapt and our "high" brain interprates sensor measurement and dend information as compelling hunger (to increase blood level of sugar) and some times more specifically as a necessity to eat sugar !. In the case of chocolate, I experimented the fact that , even never eating this, when my potassium is low (because of a treatment), I wanted to eat chocolate, as if my body known that chocolate is potassium rich. Proof have been bring for glucose (with evidently sensor in the brain as glucose receptors on cells) , but not studied for potassium I think. In your case, Muresanu, it's the contrary, if I well understood. You ate chocolate and succeeded in stopping this com pelling. We can interpretate this as the possibility of upper brain to control behaviour at a biological level. With just the restriction thatperhaps , in your past, a possible anti-stress effect of chocolate (if it was the case for you) ,supposed acting by its cholestyramine with brain receptor for it ; chocolate being also cholestyramine rich (often people say that they need to eat chocolate when they are stressed or depressive). Regards Didier
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thank you Arun. We can start practicing meditation at any age 40s, 50s and so on. Age, Sex, Caste, Creed, Culture, Language, Religion etc. they are no barriers.

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Didier, as far as "standardized method" is concerned, there are many types of meditation available depending on at which position in human anatomy we concentrate to meditate. Concentration to meditate at the sixth chakra is the most ideal one. Sixth chakra is closely connected with the hypothalamus and pineal gland. This practice also activates release of melatonin, a hormone released from pineal gland. This chemical is also used in the treatment of cancer. Regards
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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You are correct Anirudh. I did had practical exercises over a period of about 16 years and they are effective and one may heal using these without having undesirable side effects. Regarding my own experience with diet, I succesfully get rid of almost all suger based food except chocolate... that was which troubled me. All prevous sugar based food had been replace with honey bee based natural food except this powerful tasteful one... I remember the fact that here in Romania we are producing some kind of taste potentiators or amplifiers based upon some synthetic chemicals ... something like Monosodium Glutamate which is kind of neurotoxine also. This is not good for health if eat every day or every two to three days. This fashion of getting the food exagerated too taste... is not good. But my story cannot be fully understood from only one point of view, so what I had printed until now is still very few... a lot more factors interfere... there is really no time and room on a forum but I am glad to be useful with as little as I had explained. I needed chocolate almost every day without being stressed, neither depressive, I just felt very attached to its taste, in my case. That was me, noone else, just me so I can't make a valid theory useful for everyone.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Muresanu: "I needed chocolate almost every day without being stressed, neither depressive, I just felt very attached to its taste, in my case. That was me, noone else, just me so I can't make a valid theory useful for everyone". You need not be so pessimistic. YOU HAVE ALREADY SUPPORTED A VALID THEORY. You know its merit. If you don't have diabetes then you need not worry much. Chocolate is harmful for teeth.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Yes, and I did lost two teeth because of that... also cholesterol was high, and very fortunately for me, I did not have diabetes.
Dec 10, 2011

ARUN P Venu · Hi Muresanu,

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Based on the example you said,I too have one to state.I had stopped non-vegetarian food from my 15 age and I continued that state of life up to 3 years.I am a die hard fan of fish fry which my mom makes.During that period I used to avoid even that mom made non-veg items and I used to sit in front of that items ,eating my veg food items. Those days after the initial 3 or 4 months as I remember ,I had greatly reduced the appetite for even my favorite mom made fish fry and I was going to a state of mind not even having the dream of eating them. But after 3 years when I got into a condition where I got only good food in the form of non-veg items ,especially during my college hostel life, I was

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again forced to start again eating the non-veg items.
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ARUN P Venu · Muresanu,

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

I have a major doubt.You mentioned in a reply to me that we have to reduce the amount of semen lost to the least in order to gain the vital energy. So shouldn't I have the doubt that this method is not applicable for woman?
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ARUN P Venu · Muresanu,

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Another doubt I had gained from your reply to me about your statement that your chocolate wish had gone away after the intimate relation with your girl friends. I am directed to believe that when we had experienced a feeling in its maximum intensity then we will lose the interest in having that feeling again.That's what I got from your statement.If it's you meant actually ,then it's simply like, a man losing interest for sex with woman after having it many times .
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Thank you for your questions Arun ! Well, for the first question, it is different how to apply this method for woman, because there are other factors and some important differences of the sexual organs. My knowledge on that are rather based on guessing because my own experience had been described as lived my a man. So I can't help too much about that. On the second question, after having a profound intimate relations in january the amount of energy was so high, that really did changed something regarding my previous needs for that particular food. And I did not need to repeat that experience again for maintaining this new quality achieved. In the end is not a big deal for someone to choose what to eat if he lived his life in good balanced since childhood to present. I didn't do so, that's why I needed other ways to revert what I had done wrong to my body and my life. Regarding your last sentence, any excesses of any kind might lead to a habit which later on it can change the lifestyle, but I don't think it works exactly in this way. A man might loose interest for a woman if having to many and too often intimate relations but it doesn't last long. Eventually he will get interest in having many intimate relations with another women and this "game" might continue a lot with no real benefits for neither of them,... partnerships brokes, families destroyed, and we see this all over the world and in all movies. There should be needed a sort of education about this issue. And it won't be me doing this. Knowledged and experienced people, preferable with interdisciplary studies and maybe with some spiritual experience in addition might solve the problem. Oh, sorry I also see your first post about veg food... well I can't a have good theory about how someone should take into consideration the food whether is entirely or partially vegetarian, because depends a lot of each individual. I heard about people who might eat a lot of unhealthy even poisoned food and nothing bad happened to them. However, for the rest of us, which might get ill I see that the best way is to stay in the middle of everything... no excess but since someone like me did have excess in consuming more then 20 years extremely high cholesterol food, for me it

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doesn't apply anymore this.By that I mean that I can no longer afford to eat other then vegetarian but due to my energy I don't feel any sorrow in not having those wonderful tastes in my mouth. For someone who DID NOT have this excess then it's ok to eat moderately but not above the real needs of the body. Sometimes I forgot to stop... the taste was so good that made me look again for that item. So, if you feel my experince is not useful for you, then don't apply anything. really ! This had been shared by me only just as an example or point of reference. Live your life in joy and balance and that should be ok.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Arun, If you agree, you may PM me for continuing the debate, which is very useful for me also because this topic was created related to the cancer problem and how meditation might be useful... so my comments went a little beyond this topic and hope not to creat problems...
Dec 10, 2011

ARUN P Venu · simple question?

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Thank you for your soon response,Muresanu.Can I ask you another What's the time now at romania,friend?(lol...)
Dec 10, 2011

ARUN P Venu ·

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Nope...Muresanu.it was a really useful debate.....Glad to have more discussions when ever time allows......and cancer problem.....ya..........am now gonna work on cancer problem.......going to work with cancer cell lines.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Thank you very much Arun. "Change lifestyle, beat cancer

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

40% Of Cancers Caused by Factors We Can Change: Study Study author is Professor Max Parkin, a Cancer Research UK epidemiologist based at University of London From: The Times of India, Friday, December 9, 2011, pf.15" I would like to add that Practice of Meditation and Yoga should also be part of our lifestyle for physical, mental, emotional and spiritual well-being.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Hi, Arun, at this moment here is 17hour26minutes in the afternoon. I believe there is 8 hours or more difference between us. By the way, I had just made a skype video interview with the professor Bruce Lipton in USA and at the end he mentioned few words about the researchgate and was happy do find out about the interest into these subjects. But as I am not a scientist I am well aware the fact that my opinions could be wrong in some issues, however I wish to offer my sincerity of all my personal observations and as a journalist I learned to be opened to all opinions regarding a problem so I really appreciate all the posts on this particular topic and enjoy I found this. If you or anyone else wish to talk with me live, my messenger ID is cristim23 A live conversation might be more interesting and useful. And let me emphasize that Anirudh is correct when saying practice of Meditation and Yoga should also be part of our lifestyle. The problem is, in

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our western society is that people don't get notable results because somewhere they missed something or are not taught properly or they are afraid of change. I just don't have words to compare how worse was my life before ... whatever bioalchemy, biotransformation transmutation phenomena described and how is my life in the present. So, because Anirudh mentioned that, I really encourage this.
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ARUN P Venu ·

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Really glad to talk to you......Muresanu
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ARUN P Venu · too.......

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Ya...u r ryt Anirudh......and its the part of our valuable Indian tradition

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ARUN P Venu ·

8.61 · St.michael college of engg and tech

Am only 21 aged......Its really worth talking to you both Anirudh and Muresanu.....who have double age and quadruple experiences than me.....it helped me to enlighten......
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

.Muresanu you are great and you have even greater role to play to create awareness for correct way of living. This is the greatest service to the mankind we can offer. We would continue to converse. And Arun I am very happy with you. At a age of just 21 you have such a clarity on the topics you are discussing. Keep it up. God Bless you. My all good wishes are with you. I am 56. Some revolutionary ideas are expected from you.
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Muresanu Cristian · and I'll explain that.

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I thank you so much for your appreciations but you are my teachers also

Many people I spoke to, were teachers, because sometime, from the very simple words, powerful knowledge emerges. One day a girlfriend asked me to tell her about her personality why this and that is not ok... so on and I began to write what happened to me and suddenly stopped me and asked: hey, why do you write about yourself and don't answer my question ? Well, because when I don't know what to answer then probably my own part of experience might offer you a reference point if not a good direct answer. And also let me address my real gratitude to Arun too for his indepth knowledge just for one good reason: when I was 21 years old, I was full of ego, hating people around me, staying distant from everything except some music (which later on became one of my useful tools) so with this warm soul and opened mind Arun, not only that you'll succeed doing far beyond I did within my experience, but rather it will be me, not far in the future, coming to you as a disciple to learn more. When Anirudh said those words about you, I immediately understood that you have a great potential almost ready to be released and now my great

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appreciation goes to Anirudh who forseen this before me and this is why he is a good teacher for me. So, at my age, almost 48 (in may next year) I am just scratching the surface of my depths, never explored seriously until age of 26, and never got serious results with all those 16 years of weak yoga practice until age 41 when bioalchemy (kundalini) began to work inside me. So, what I can offer to you and all those interested in this issue are short glimps from my life experience... and due to your encouregement I'll return later on with some stories. I thank you both and all Chris
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naresh kumar Sood · Sciences University

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and Animal

There is a sound medical basis for the role of meditation and/ or physical exercise in preventing cancerogenesis and in circumventing pain due to cancer or at least in palliative cancer care. It is well established that there is a branch of medicine called psychoneuroimmunology, which bridges complex behavioral, neurotransmission, neuroendocrine and immunologic pathways.Psychotropic factors produced during and after meditation may influence the cytokines, chemokines and adhesion molecules that modulate immune function by upbolstering innate immune responses such as natural killer cells and augmenting DNA repair and/or apoptosis. In addition, endorphins released during meditation may also help in up swinging the moods of cancer patients.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Wonderful explanation and very informative indeed ! This is the way we need to develop a holistic view over the medical and life sciences by creating interdisciplinary bridges. From this example one might elaborate research themes for grant applications. I feel that very soon, the new interdisciplinary sciences will prove and apply older eastern traditional knowledge about the inside healing potentials of the human cells, of the human body as a whole, of the power of mind and so on. Once science will prove it, then nobody could ever rejected from now on and more then that, it will change the school children curricula and the biology manuals all over. This is the way, probably the best one among other ways, in order to help society develop with all its individuals on a new level of being, towards a better lifestyle and a higher quality of life, lowering significantly the suffering.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

MANTRA YOGA OR JAPA MEDITATION FOR HEALTH AND LONGEVITY Spiritual Science: DNA is influenced by words and frequencies By Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf www.experiencefestival.com/a/Spirituality_and _Science/id/4161 DNA can be Influenced and Reprogrammed By Words And Frequencies Russian DNA Discoveries: The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to

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the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote act of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), the mind’s influence on weather patterns and more. In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes. Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to Western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered “Junk DNA”. The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore those 90% of “Junk DNA”. According to them, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data starage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code, especially in the apparently useless 90%, follows the same rules as all our human languages. To this end they compared the rules of syntax, semantics and the basics rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. So human languages did not appear coincidentally but are reflection of our inherent DNA. The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of the DNA “Living chromosomes function just like solitonic/holographic computers using the endogenous laser radiation”. This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns onto a laser ray and with it influenced the DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself. Since the basic structures of DNA – alkaline pairs and of language (as explained earlier) are of the same structure, no DNA decoding is necessary. ONE CAN SIMPLY USE WORDS AND SENTENCES OF THE HUMAN LANGUAGE. Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words, and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained. Of course the frequency has to be correct. And this is why not everybody is equally successful or can do it with always with same strength Indians know the importance of Mantra for centuries. Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra is one such Mantra which is practiced for Health and Longevity. Perhaps people of different cultures all over the world have knowledge of such Mantras in their own languages. According to Swami Vishnu Devananda: “A Mantra is mystical energy encased in a sound structure. Every Mantra contains within its vibrations a certain power…..Yet there is no doubt that sound does have a definite and predictable effect on the human psyche and body”. “Mantra Yoga is an exact science”. (Swami Sivananda)
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, indeed, this is true. One of the five attitudes to life described also in my published paper was called Respect for the Word and Truth and here

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is what I had said about: This is an absolutely eliminatory condition. This condition does not require special training, but its fullfilment is difficult due to a mentality of carelessness towards others, the perpetuation of lie and deceit, violence, etc. The only theory which could motivate this condition is the observer’s participation to his life’s experiment, similar to quantum physics philosophy. The lie and carelessness could represent a “denial attitude” manifested during the experiment. The observer denies his own experiment. It has been established that thought energies, consequently words are “charged” with specific energies of the accompanying thoughts. The main problem in human society, is an extreme discrepancy between uttered and unuttered thoughts. The experiment, which could be any ordinary daily action, is based on the variety of thoughts. If these are opposed to the experiment, then a conflict appears. It has no solution, and the observer fails in attaining his/her target. Not accidentally it is said that “we are what we are thinking”.
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Didier Jambou · Dear colleagues,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals

Reading this discussion in this topics, it makes me think to the hsistory of sciences and the different period in the past when person with wide knowledges studied diferent domains: "sciences" (and medicinhe), astrology, philisophy ... (the as Leonardo Da Vinci, Michel de Notre dame (Nostradamus; who was a physician of its time). Then, in western countries, some men , as Descartes (cartesianism) , leaded to a separation between sciences and religions and spirituality. By contrats with eastern countries where knowledges on sciences and spirituality where always transmitted in parallel without exclusion one of another. So, we have know some 'sciences" recognized because of experiments (in fact, with objective, physical measurable proofs) and others where the possibility of experiment with our means of measurements is more diffciult. So, not recognized ie by weastern countries, due to the precedent definition of sciences, because of the lack of sufficient "physical experimental proofs". The problem is that, at a certain time , lack of experimental proofs depends on our technology; espcecially concerning "non material" phenomenom". Also the problem is that our mind, brain functionning, can only be measurable on its material electrical activity, by imaging (MNR) but not on another level of functionnig; leading to the debate to know: "what is the support of our mind". Neurobiologists have their definition, and philosophist their. The precedent comment shows the difficulties to establish "experimental protocol" to show effect of an immaterial phenomenom (vibrations are defined on a material level by frequency: sound , light) and its effect by transmission of this energy (physical for a sound, which "compresses" air; by photon for quantic mechanic and light). The effect transmitted to an another material body can be measurable by resonnance phenomena, so effect first at a material level, but which one at a immaterial level (and how measure it). And we reachy again the differences in conception between western ans easterns countries. In pqarrallel, traditioanl chinese medicine is effeiceint, even compare to occidental medicine. So ... !? Now, to my mind, with have a possibility to reconsider, as in the past, a "reconciation", with other arguments, sciences and spirituality if each part of each camp makes half of the way. Best regards Didier

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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, Didier, you are correct also and here is my main problem in this regard. The old eastern traditional practices and philosophies are saying, ... (very precisely emphasized) that male semen can transform-transmute itself or whatever process might be. Me as a skeptic I said, over 20 years ago, : first I want to verify this claim upon my own body. But 16 years I couldn't do it. So, the claim remains untrue for me and also for all billions of man living on this planet. This is the reality in which most of us are living. However, something had declined my health after 30-35 years old and no medicine could help me, no science could get my health back. So I did not had too many choices... staying ill or still trying this unproven theory, and it doesn't matter if I just believe in it theoretically or not... If it is not happening, then this kind of mental belief had no value and effect upon my health. I was the same, no matter what I had believed. So, for me, in the very present moment I don't have any beliefs at all except in my own verifiable personal experiences. For me there is no God, no angels, no invisible entities, no E.T.'s, ... only me living in this body and having joy or sorrow wanted to find answers what is the cause of pain and suffering. An this is also true for most of the billions suffering this moment. Medicine can help in make your pain easier to accept, or a surgery might prolonged your life span. Technology and science improved our material quality of life and our work. If in the middle ages life expectancy rarely was beyond 40-45 years old, now we have many people living beyond 80's ... but not all of them, and unfortunately quite o lot in fact, are not having a good health, even they are now living longer. My mom is going towards 75 and she is constantly suffering from osteoporosis and coxarthrosis... and her life is just agony from one day to another. There is no medical solution for her. So, it is also true that medical science cannot solve everything... but will solve more and more as time goes by. The problem is some of us don't have that time. I didn't have it. So let me return to my previous statement and what I was mentioning on this topic, also deeply described in my published paper, is that in 2006 I had lived a powerful phenomenon taking place inside. If I wish to be very very precise and sincere to myself then the answer is: I don't know how to name this ... whatever happened, but definitely something DID HAPPENED. OK, the next step was to look again upon what science and eastern philosophies are telling. Well, conventional newtonian based science just didn't told me anything, except if I don't have an illness regarding my reproductive system and if I did not get sick within almost 6 years passed since that, whatever that phenomena might be called, then I found no answers. However, the very best and not easy to find eastern traditional knowledge (for example in Shivananda's writings) I found that he is talking about semen transformation-transmutation. Well, if it is so, how can we prove this ? Can we visualise this ? Why don't we try to see if our scanning devices might offer this kind of cellular visualisation ? We might find an

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answer once and for all eternity. And this answer might : yes or no. If it is "yes", then a whole new science must emerges from this, but if the answer is "no" then we should try formulate another explanation, because what I had lived was real but I don't have a good explanation, except the secondary measurable effects of it: curing deaseases, getting my health back, rising my quality of life dozens of times, getting a better focused mind, being more efficient in all my actions, job, intentions, having 10 times lesser need for food, half time sleep needs.... and more. How can I explain all these effects like suddenly appearing just after one single event on that particulary day in february 2006, a pure physiological one from my point of view, but controlled by the mind, which is the most logic reason for why my health is back now, after 20 or more years of sufferings and pains. So, I don't want to be opened exclusively to either spiritual philosophy or to science. I just wish to find a scientific explanation and proof of what I had described, if possible. I want to see that transformation with my eyes, in order to really believe and say a definitive YES that is true, otherwise I am still guessing based upon either science of eastern philosophy might have to say. I don't know if you read my article... http://ijes.info /1/2/4254121.pdf Biotransformations Controlled by the Mind. It would be very helpful for me if you may read this and then tell me later what might be your explanation, which would be different of mine, in order to have my quest fulfilled. Thank you very for your interest in this topic !
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Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals Dear Muresanu Christian, I agree with you. I'll also read your paper (as I said to Adrian-Toader William about one of him); till I could, because as you say about your health, I am also and always in bad health (35 years long) and try to manage all, help the more people I can, give my contribution in different domains ... in the limit of human possibilities (that hadconsequently increase during time in my case). So, I think sciences wouldn't be able to explain all observed phenomena and events whe live; even also spiritual practices (Yoga or others are for me equivalent to prayer effect for religious men and women). And that is qualified as "miracles" nowaday, also recognized as unexplained by scientist, are real. Your "experiment" takes part of this , to my mind, and as experimental proofs are impossible to be done, it joins also as for religious person the domain of faith. Knowing that faith is not only an immaterial domain for me, because I think it's able to act in a material level. But being a physician, a scientist and also a christian (not contradictory for me), I cannot use the "scientific" part of me to explain; so, in this case, I I am right to switch on on my "spiritual" brain as christian; but don't explain in this case by my scientific knowledges; at this time of our scientific knowledges. Regards Didier
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Well said, Didier !... and first let me say that I am sorry to hear your health is not good and even for so many years. Believe me, noone is coming freely and consciously to these kind of practices because they are not easy, not well understood, and to me, living and thinking within a western materialistic environment it was even harder to make these approaches. Time was running out for me and results did not appear. Also agree with you that science cannot explain (for the moment) these things but let me offer you an optimistic way about that. As we all know, science had to be sponsored for making progress. There are two main financial insertions: one: is on military area and two: on medical based upon farmaceutical drugs and technology industry. I'd never expect seeing one day the medical based upon farmaceutical drugs and technology industry sponsoring or funding health research of different kind, like what I am talking here, BUT, there is one more chance. Let me explain you a little. As we all know, military research is always sponsored because, as in farmaceutical industry, here too some "manufactured" wars are profitable, or economic controls still profitable. Some of the actual discoveries in medical science today are coming from the military aria. Imagine that what I am expected to be built, in order to have that proof, might come one day when the visualisations techniques will improve in the military. And after that discovery became obsolete (eventually all became that as time goes by), the medical and health care industry might take them for other porpuses and this one (mentioned here) will "accidentally" be a secondary advantage, that noone is seeing (at that time). And this is not a time very far in the future... maybe around 20 to 50 years, if climate changes will sustain our comfortable life. Regarding faith, well, I was a Christian too but when I had lived my excruciating pains and my life was nothing but pain, no prayer and no practice, no drugs, nu good words, no good thinking worked for me. So, after the event happened, I just simply realised that nothing of these really helped me, and so ... I lost them forever. Nowadays, when very very rarely a pain appears, or if I accidentally injure myself with whatever tools, I am first reading all about that, and then I'll take whatever drugs, plants, teas, which brings me the best and rapid results. I don't go to my doctor, I am using knowledge available in scientific manuals and make my own decisions. I don't know how to call myself now,... an atheist ? I don't think so, but I am not able to describe what my ... "belief" is, if there is any. Whatever ... happened inside me, as we call it kundalini, biotransformation, bioalchemy... no matter the word is chosen for that, ... well... that THING, ... is constantly removing from my body the toxins and the whatever side effects are released by that medicine, in just one day. I am happy I no longer need them but in very rare occasions. Before THAT, I needed them every single day, 365 days per year, 20 years constantly. For situations like these there is no solution upon how one might keep the body clean and pure. I am not claiming that my way is the best one... probably best for individuals who has my type of personality and beliefs, but for all the other it is just a reference point of view or a "map", indicating to something. My warmest thoughts are going to you, wishing you to find the way to health, joy and happiness. Chris
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Didier I am really sorry for your bad health and appreciate your comments very much. They are of great value for us and all. I pray for your good health. Anirudh
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Didier Jambou · Thanks.

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals And I know that there is a possibility, not explored at present, of an auto-cure of our body; linked to activation first of some brain area and their capabilities (only 10 % used; proven by neurobiologist) ; then connection by mean of brain to upper level of "energy" at the "source" of life; whatever the name given by all humans and according to cultures and practices (God, vital energy similar to the "motor" of all physical laws in action in Universe, Yoga practices where kundalini represent this link between the body and superior energy, or other universe organisation comprehensions ...). So, I will be happy, at this time, to change my job from physician to spiritual practioner (and not hospital practitioner, as now) :-) Regards Didier
Dec 14, 2011

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Excellent. The world needs persons like you and Chris. We will require your continued guidance and support in this discussion so that we can reach at some worthwhile conclusion for the benefits of the masses. Best wishes Anirudh
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Visual presentation of the phenomena of human male biotransformations had been uploaded by me here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/75689374 /Biotransformations-Influenced-by-the-Mind I worked about 8 hours to translate this from the original one written in romanian language... but I enjoyed this very much doing so, and I share this with everybody. A powerpoint version of the same documents had been uploaded here: http://www.4shared.com/document/_jjKHHDj /Biotransformations_influenced_.html Also an older 2010 one hour english TV interview with dr. Bruce Lipton can be watched here: http://www.4shared.com/folder/bezic2_F /Ep_26Interviu_cu_profesorul_de.html
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Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals Thank you. I'll read it (as the document of Adrian in topic on non monetary values) regards Didier
Dec 14, 2011

Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

Thank you Muresanu Cristian,

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I watched the interview. It is really worthwhile to explore further of my understandings. I agree with his concept of introduction of the concepts in young brains-children. I appreciate your posting this interview. I love to share with others. Regards Soma
Dec 15, 2011

Muresanu Cristian · Hello to all,

23.23 · Romanian Television

Christmas is nearby and I wish to say a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, with health and joy in your families, but as in these days we are making gifts, here is very short one from me, still unedited (but soon will be part of a one hour TV show) which later on will be freely available on the web. Bruce Lipton interview ~ excerpts - talks about my work in biotransformations http://dl.transfer.ro/Bruce_Lipton_interview___excerpts__talks_about_my_biotransformation-transfer_RO-18dec-bd3396.AVI The link will be valid only 10 days on this non-public server beginning today. I'll be very busy in the next weeks so I hope you'll enjoy this short talk with the biology professor Phd Bruce Lipton
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

"Meditative practice, increased Mindfulness and Purpose in Life, accounted for retreat-related changes in the two stress-related variables and in immune cell telomerase activity". (Tonya L.Jacobs et. al.) Practice of Meditation can control uncontrolled cell division..
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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A happy new year to all ! I'm back with some new materials. I had completed editing the interview with the biologist Bruce Lipton and I made a small size file of the 60 minutes TV program which will be aired next month ... so I didn't make it publicly available except for researchgate members, so you can watch this here... http://dl.transfer.ro/Interview_With_Bruce_Lipton-transfer_RO04jan-075abe.AVI
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Siva Somasundaram ·

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

Thank you for your greetings for Happy New Year 2012 to all!! I will certainly watch. I appreciate your interest in sharing with us. If any one else is translating your book, then shall I do the translations with our publishing department?
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Thank you very much Siva ! Yes, I'd like that very much. The problem is my english is so bad that I can't do it by myself and noone in Romania is willing to do it for free. So I am offering my book for free but it is in romanian language. What I have in english is the IJES published paper and a 50 pages raw translation made by someone for me and is even worse. I don't know how to solve this problem. But all I have, all my knowledge is for free. I was also contacted by an editor in Munchen, Germany for publishing the 400 pages book. It's so sad, I have not enough training in english... But maybe some medical journals would be interested in reprinting my 17 pages article ?... Meantime enjoy the video interview with Bruce Lipton. We also had some talks there about my book ... Keep in touch ! and please write me any idea you might have regarding my 400 pages book. Chris P.S. some links... (english spoken) www.scribd.com/doc/34145683/Biotransformations-under-the-Influenceof-the-Mind-Excerpts http://ijes.info/1/2/4254121.pdf (Biotransformations Controlled by the Mind) http://www.4shared.com/folder/bezic2_F /Ep_26Interviu_cu_profesorul_de.html http://www.4shared.com/video/w7nXYETD /01_stiinta_si_cunoastere_psiho.html
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thanks to all and I also wish Season's Greetings and A Very Happy and Prosperous New Year to all. Just now I am reading in a News Paper that Physical Exercise decreases the risk of cancer. This has been reported based on a study by researchers of University of Western Australia and Western Australia Institute for Medical Research.
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Siva Somasundaram · and get back to you.

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

Thank you Chris, Let me explore the possibility of translating the Book

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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Thank you a lot Siva ! That would be really excellent ! I'll wait for your response. The book is now about 400 pages, A4 format paper, color covers.
Jan 5, 2012

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Melatonin "clinically" (melatonin MLT) strengthens immune function in cancer patients. Cancer immunotherapy is the use of immune system to reject cancer. This can be either through immunization of the patient or through the administration of therapeutic antibodies. Protracted practice of meditation also enhances neuro-humoral vitality and strengthens immunity. Meditation for melatonin involves meditating for 20-30 minutes twice daily, during the morning and evening to stimulate the pineal gland. Stimulation of the pineal gland produces melatonin.

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Muresanu Cristian ·

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The full one hour interview with biologist Bruce Lipton is now publicly available at this link, where first should be downloaded and then play with BS Player or whatever codec. The programme is airing this evening officially at 6.00 pm on TVR Cluj. Link is here http://www.4shared.com /folder/dg6Wi3dW/Ep_84_Noua_BiologieInterviu_cu.html Later on, a better high quality version will be posted possible on you tube or other servers for free download. So, this is the second interview made by me (film edited, production and directed), this time using skype web video, which can connect anyone to anyone.
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Filipa Cunha · Aberdeen

9.07 · Institute of Medical Sciences - University of

Here is an interesting documentary that can bring some new perspective of how meditation can improve our health : http://www.documentarywire.com/living-matrix-science-of-healing In our full-length film, The Living Matrix – The Science of Healing — we bring you breakthroughs that will transform your understanding of how to get well and stay well. Now you can get an up-close look at the science of information as medicine. Leading researchers and health practitioners share their discoveries on the “miracle cures” traditional medicine can’t explain. The Living Matrix – The Science of Healing, uncovers new ideas about the intricate web of factors that determine our health. We talk with a group of dedicated scientists, psychologists, bioenergetic researchers and holistic practitioners who are finding healing potential in new places. Tapping into the power of information, Leaders in science are examining the body through the lens of quantum physics. They’ve discovered that we’re far more than biochemical machines. Instead, our cells are senders and receivers of information, controlling our health in ways we never imagined.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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As I promised, I had uploaded the interview in Hi-Quality video here Youtube: First Part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaR4tfiNuA Second Part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNMjuaUnfU Megaupload: First Part: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GGS5P0IL Second Part: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P9E2VVEE If you have any opinions on the subject please let me know about. Chris
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Siva Somasundaram · Hi Crisitan

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

I watched the two You Tube videos. They are much informative and I am going to share with my Biology Students for stimulating their critical thinking on New Biology concept! Thank you for sharing this wonderful

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information! I am sure this new concept needs active dissemination and I am prepare to do my part as you have shared your view on spreading the knowledge in your interview with Dr. Lipton. Siva
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Muresanu Cristian · Hi Siva,

23.23 · Romanian Television

I am deeply honored for your appreciations and I thank you very much. I had just received an e-mail from Dr. Lipton and he is traveling to India right on this moment (not sure exactly where) and mostly I feel very honored to show my video in the university. Sincerely, Cristian P.S. here is a quote from the e-mail:

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Fahd Al-Mulla ·

8.1 · Kuwait University

No it can not. Especially if one is a mutation carrier. You can mediate as much as you want. But you will still be vulnerable. The best think is to get Scientific!!
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Curing cancer asks for tremendous effort, will, dedication, energy and strength from patient while changing his bad habits who contributed to his disease for so many years, that why there are so very few people who really rise up and make these changes in such a short time, when their clock is ticking. I only had a minor disease, compare to cancer, and fortunately I did had enough time for make it non-manifested. I'd recommend to watch the interview with dr Bruce Lipton, part 2 mainly where he talks about the difficulty of changing habits. However, scientifically speaking there is no known cure for all cancers. Statistics of cancer survivors are still very low despite the amount of new technology, progress and treatments whatever natural, chemical or in between. Sometimes there are times when a certain new therapy is promoted so loud just like someone had discover the most amazing cure ever, but after years and years, it turned out to be not much more efficient like others... well, of course we may have very different low statistics of survivor like 15%, 1,5%, 0,15%... they are all very low and in fact they depend a lot of the patient itself. I don't give the names of those therapies, because I don't wish to judge them incorrectly, but the point is that cancer will still remain a problem for our society. It is possible we might need a completely new view to solve it completely and a new way of living for all human individuals in order to promote habits which will develop and expand our awareness in such a manner that we should not get sick so badly. I don't believe that we'll ever accomplish such a way of living somewhere in the future that no one will ever get sick ... but surely we can improve the quality of life through deeper understanding of science,

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and all available knowledge, personal experiences, studies, and all sorts of techniques. If a certain technique CAN IMPROVE the life quality, then let's be happy for this a step forward. Even if different patients needs different versions of that particular technique or treatment, if this is found in good time then it can improve his or her quality of life. This is what I did to myself, and this is what science and knowledge aim to do every day.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Here it is the other interview I made with the biologist dr. Bruce Lipton in 2010 (this time High Quality) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FwYN3Wtxek&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSVF6GWdE00Watch
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Satyapal Singh ·

3.54 · Bharat Narsingh Home

YES... meditation help to control the functions of the cell bcoz during the meditation the unexpected harmons which are excreted by the gland can be controled by the meditation . During meditation the harmons secretry glands screats hormons in balanced proportion. Due to that the mitrocondiria of the cells make the protein in balanced proportion and the cells remains in thier normal size.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Modern psychology works with the patients using, among other methods, one which includes the principles of THE POWER OF NOW of having paying attention to what some known speakers and authors told us as HERE AND NOW. This new approach had been shown to me into an new interview with the distinguished and respectable Harvard University professor Richard McNally. Here is the link to this special interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ylXMIMB5I&feature=youtu.be
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Dr. Zuzanna Moore ·

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I will jump in with the brief introduction. In 2005 I was diagnosed with multicentric invasive ductal carcinoma of the breast. Mastectomy, radiation and possible chemo were all recommended and all rejected by me. I treated it with various modalities, meditation included. Within six months I was cancer free as per PET/CT and other tests (CA27.29, CRP, NKs). I believe meditation and stress reduction (or elimination) was essential to the success of my treatment. Thank you for bringing this topic to the venue of scientific discussion. Zuzanna Moore Ph.D.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Dear Zuzanna, this is really wonderful ! I thank you so much for sharing your experience and I welcome to our talks. I believe soon science will prove how our own energy and potentials, if properly coordinated (meditation, pranayama,... good habits in life) can give back our health, even when all hopes seemed lost. You had proven that we all do have inner healing powers and mechanisms.

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If me and one of the scientist (I talked several interesting details and hypothesis) will have the opportunity to test and validate our theories, and get scientific hard evidence about this, then the entire medical thinking will change, new books and manuals will be printed, and healing like yours might be learned and understood by anyone and many many illnesses and suffering will be diminished or prevented. If we will be having the proper equipment and research lab, then soon the person I was spoken with last week will get involved into a very fascinating research theme, which literally can change our way we see the biology and life itself. This encourage us and many other people to seek answers and hopes for the better. A big thank you again Zuzanna ! Chris
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

34.81 · ECO-BELT R&D PVT.LTD

Devraj: There are a lot of differences in gene expression between one healthy person and another, so it is challenging to analyze the kinds of subtle changes we are seeing and identify what changes are significant and what are just background noise According to Naturopathy or Nature Cure no man is 100% healthy. All diseases are psycho-somatic. You say differences in gene expression between one healthy person and another. Why take person to person. How about within a person from organ to organ and then from cell to cell. Much of the unnoticed activities in cell biology or cell physiology is the intercellular spaces. They are the places for hormones and nutrients. Interaction of inter cellular matrix with the surrounding cells are of importnace because these involvement of gene expression cannot be avoided.
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

34.81 · ECO-BELT R&D PVT.LTD

AKS: Nutrigenomics states that in every individual human being nutrients and genes interact with each other in a unique manner ultimately determining the metabolic efficiency, physiological capacity and the strength of immunity of a person. All these factors as a whole decides the physical and mental wellbeing of a person in particular. We cannot rule out the formation of oxidants and the role of phytohormones and pigments of plant origin acting as antioxidants.
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

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AKS: In all human beings 99.9% of genomic sequences are same. This small variation of 0.1% in the nitrogen base sequences in our genome creates a total difference between us. apart from this statement, much of the individuality is distinquished based on the personality I mean the balance of mind and body. Based on our personality/ the psychae of the person there might be variations in the induction of hormones that also affect the changes at the cellular level.
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

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AKS: Melatonin "clinically" (melatonin MLT) strengthens immune function in cancer patients. Cancer immunotherapy is the use of immune system to reject cancer. This can be either through immunization of the patient or through the administration of therapeutic antibodies. Protracted practice of meditation also enhances neuro-humoral vitality and strengthens immunity. Meditation for melatonin involves meditating for 20-30 minutes twice daily, during the morning and evening to stimulate the pineal gland. Stimulation of the pineal gland produces melatonin. Melatonin also secreted by th retina of the eye during our sleep and this is thrown out thro urine. Under the treatment of Auto Urine Therapy it is advisable for the patients to under go meditation and then to consume their urine as treatment and even morning urine (after wake up) is also recommended. Lot of literature on this therapy also help us. Melatonin has the capacity to change or alter our genetic impairments.
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

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AKS and Cristian and others: we cannot neglect the innerself/self that is operating our biological body. Cancer is also proven as psycho-somatic. External stimuli (life pattern, food, outward journey, either extemes of extrinsic/intrinsic) as well as internal stimuli (fear, anxiety, lonliness even being with everyone with high social activity) play a vital role in day to day body activities. During my Siddha Samadhi Yoga Course (of 21 days) I have seen patients with chronic symptoms of B.P., diabetics, cancer and asthma were normalized from 7 days to 15days period. The treatment apart from Pranayama (sitting in Vajrasana position), Surya Namaskar, meditation we were put in for strict diet of raw food and morning dose of kashaya of green leaves. Much more strict practice was psycho-analysis of interconnected questions where coulnot lie. This helped us in such a way that it is said that the mind(psyche ) was the first and foremost culprint and all in all 100% people so-called healthy also also cheating/disregarding/neglecting/illtreating their own self. That self realization helped in the normalcy of our body and mind. During this period chronic patients suffered with high fever, loosemotion symptoms. And the total treatment was to begin with 3 - 7 days fasting (either particular fruit/tender coconut/water was allowed). So my understanding is that just the basics are required to treat even cancer. Given a total treatment at the organismic level is much more pre-requisite than the cellular level. Ofcourse from the point of proving we need to analyze from the genetic to cellular to hormonal. At the end of the course we all underwent self realization with control of our ego in preparedness of isotonic balance of mind, body and soul and that was an awsome journey called inward journey, lot of frustrations we under went that was the improper activity of Kundalini into normal climbing up. We were also thoroughly taught about 'healing crisis'. We were 20 members from all walks of life including daily wages labourers and the course format suited everyone. About 60 questions and the answers written by each of us pertaining to our life was the basic treatment to cure any disease. So my request is give equal importance to self, body and mind of the patient as well as the practitioner and even researcher to arrive at

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Maria Serena Fabbrini ·

7.82 · National Institute of Molecular genetics

I was really surprised by these comments being present within a scientific community, and read most of them with great interest. I think, as always we have to deal with real facts and numbers ..the type of sciences we practice is essentially based on modeling, using chemical drugs, mutants, statistical analyses etc.. that will give us a partial and miniaturized picture of what happens in a whole body or entire organism. If you are a carrier of a genetic disease, meditation would probably not be enough to avoid you to get this disease, if we think of placebo being the reason for healing in a third of cases this also means that two thirds of people could benefit from the medical treatment(s), by the way and today we have no clues of what underlies the placebo effect. I also firmly believe that if you practice yoga, meditation and have a joyful life you will prevent several diseases, possibly including cancers, while stress and a miserable life will certainly negatively influence your mind and also your immune system that will not be able to defend your organism, but in very unpredictable ways and presumably differently from an individual to another one. Olistic view will be increasingly important in all science fields, but we need to be very cautious in giving false hopes or even worse, make patients feel guilty because they are ill and cannot find the positive energy to cure themselves. This could be also very dangerous, from my point of view .
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Pantazi Adrian · Universitatea Politehnica Bucuresti The main point of cancer is our cells witch start to become unstable and the regulatory protein fail in action. So, in other way, with meditation we can`t make a cure, because your cell is already unstable. We need more energy for this. Sure is possible to obtain that, but I am agree with Maria, is pot possible for everybody to make it. So the normally answer for your question is NO, unfortunate.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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I thank you very Maria, Sunitha and Adrian for the comments. Mostly I'll emphasize for all readers the fact that when dealing with such advanced illnesses where survival rate is very low, we still have long way to walk and think in order to uncover the truth and full understanding of healing. We know very little about our own healthy cells, and we know even ten times less about cancer cells, but we should continue the research with confidence and a wider point of view. When I had began my first talks on this topic here I always concentrated myself upon what were my own healing experiences and so forth I don't have an answer regarding applying those info on cancer but I clearly shown what happened in my case when I successfully cured my 15-year-old hypertrophic chronic rhinitis, 20-year-old hypercholesterolemy, 25-year-old severe headaches and migranes and almost completely recovered from 15-year-old bilateral lombar L4,L5 degenerative advanced discopathy. But unfortunately my applied biotransformations and bioalchemy is very difficult to be applied by everyone. However, I had received a very interesting proposal, one week ago, from a university professor and scientist from this forum which told me that he would be interested in having a research for actually proving that these kind of biotransformations are really happening and he showed my video there

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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xg-_GHDUM&feature=youtu.be), my published IJES paper (Biotransformations Controlled by the Mind http://ijes.info/1/2/4254121.pdf) which in fact is an abstract of my 400 pages book, published only in romanian language and also told me that he forwarded his proposal on regarding publishing my book in english. If all these will be proven true, if his research will start and then later on will show some results, then we will be able to present another point of view upon healing, vital energy, biotransformations, medical treatments and so on. We both agreed upon the precise target of the research and if all these will be started soon then in just few years we should have some tested hypotheses. Science is advancing slowly but very stable and precise, so we need to have patience because these ideas will go forward very quick. But for the moment, it is very helpful for us all to continue debating these issues together. Each and every new point of view counts a lot. Absolutely the entire dialogue began here helped me a lot in having a deeper understanding and I am learning every day from these.
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Jack Jacobsen ·

14 · Rigshospitalet

I think people really need to separate their spiritual and scientific beliefs. Meditation can affect every single aspect of your life so OFF COURSE it will influence the likelihood of acquiring a malignancy. Just think about how our food intake and other habits can promote risk. If you are a meditator you are less likely to live an unhealthy lifestyle. It will also affect your brain and circulating hormones. This is my scientific explanation based on KNOWN risk factors - not spirituality. Use the brain for science - the heart for believing..
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Maria Serena Fabbrini ·

7.82 · National Institute of Molecular genetics

I can certainly agree, in fact Jack you are pointing to a more olistic view on how different networks could synergize inside a single organism ...biology must look also to the whole and not only to the microscopic, but we must also think that MicroRNAs and Epigenetics tell us that what is written in our genes is in some way much more "plastic" than previously believed depending on what environment the cells will experience..as the whole organism will experience I would like to add.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

I agree with you Jack, this is why my own approach to this matter is scientifically oriented and this is the way we should go on. I myself of course had read books about spirituality but in our western world they are not suitable for a proper education and practical applications. But this just hobby lecture, not science. If I wish to study then I must seek physical evidences. If a certain process in involved, then I must ask questions: how can this be started ?, what are the benefits ? can I describe it in mathematical language ? can I find visual means to actually see it ? is that a physiological based one ? and if yes, then this means everybody can use this not just some yogi's living in remote arias or some monks ... and it is very possible that what I had described in my paper to be something different from what these yogi's or monks are doing, so that is I had never claimed and has no intention to, of ever claiming that what I had done is a spiritual practice. I must disagree with this even when other people will say about me: hey, you just awaken your

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kundalini. No, ... I must disagree and I am saying that I had lived a physiological phenomena, I had presented the facts, the symptoms, the healing, ... I also presented some hypothesis like feeling or guessing that some kind of energy had been involved but I am not 100% sure about, ... and I only see that since then I eat 5 times less food, (and I can't explain it without some energy involvement) and I sleep only 4 hours instead of 8 (medically established as "normal"), (and I also can't explain it without some energy involvement)... I have no answers, but I seek answers... so yes, you are very correct that we should go on using only scientific evidence based methods. And the good news is that I am already involved into a proposal with a respectable professor and scientist from one of the top Universities from US exactly about this issue. And I am more then happy to contribute to this research not just by offering ideas but practical also, to make experiments directly viewed on the living body trying to show whatever this phenomena is a physiological one,if it can be educated and understood by anyone, or is this just a unique case, an anomaly or ... miracle (I don't believe in miracles !) ?... And within our discussions we have some strong points of view about having high chances to prove that it is purely physiological, mental based or triggered and not mystical or religious. The grant applications are gathering soon, I believe in some weeks or so... it might take some efforts to complete the formalities for submitting the application and hope to have a positive answer from the grant commission or whoever is approving them, in order to begin the work. Because this is also equally important that a grant must be accepted first. We cannot promote in schools words like kundalini or pranayama because, at least in my case, in my country, they cannot have any meanings, ... but if it something else like a physiological mechanism which creates a biochemistry of a new type, previously unnoticed, or previously undiscovered, or maybe was something already known but previously overlooked by mistake or by lack of sufficient statistical evidence or insufficient test subjects... I don't know yet ,THEN IT IS OBVIOUSLY THAT we have to try study it or to continue it if already someone else began or did a part, because now we have new modern devices, we have a new theoretical approach (and I had published that in my paper). Thank you very much Jacob for your point of view Cristian
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Thank you a lot Maria Serena ! Yes, these too are also new approaches and must be taken into consideration. I love very much epigenetics and I am very appreciative to dr. Bruce Lipton who is promoting so hard the epigenetics around the globe and such a manner that non-specialists like me can understand it to a certain degree. This subject had been presented in one of my TV program and I had uploaded for free on You Tube.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

I forgot to upload one more article... I had just found that one chapter from my book has been translated into english and I forgot to share the link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54149506/Biological-Transmutations
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Rohan Chaubal · Cancer (ACTREC)

24.13 · Senior Research Fellow, Tata Memorial

Centre, Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research, & Education in WHy dont we close everything, and start meditation centers ? :) we can close all cancer hospitals and research centers and just start meditating :) Meditation can help relieve the pain associated with cancer by giving clarity of mind, peace of mind, and calming oneself. it CANNOT, and there is no way i can overstate this, it CANNOT cure or stop cancer. Please stop wasting everybody's time on the forum.
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Rohan Chaubal · Cancer (ACTREC)

24.13 · Senior Research Fellow, Tata Memorial

Centre, Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research, & Education in ^^ Please leave the science to us researchers, Go and open up a quack shop in a remote village where people are bound to listen to idiocy lik this.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Health has three aspect viz. preventive aspect of health, promotive aspect of health and curative aspect of health. Practice of meditation and yoga are basically for promotive aspect of health. It increases our neurohumeral vitality, suppresses gene expression. Practice of meditation and yoga is also a part of life style or a life style itself. Defective life style is one of the primary causes of cancer. I agree that once cancer is diagnosed, practice of meditation and yoga should go together with traditional therapies. Practice of meditation and yoga will definitely increase the effectiveness of therapies. .
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, indeed Anirudh ! And as I recall we did not post here anything but promotive aspect of health dealing with cancer, not cure the disease once it had been diagnosed. I hope the older pages not to be erased, because they show the full dialogues. Except myself, the only person from those 29 contributors who is not a scientist, I believe all our previous comments are linked on the undercurrent agreement that science belongs to the researchers. However I must admit that regarding my own healing story indeed was related to a certain kind of practice (I called it biotransformations controlled by the mind, because I don't have a better word to describe this) was involved in actually cure long therm chronic diseases and I'll keep that point of view, but I can't say how much this will help a cancer patient because this ...what I believe to be a physiological phenomenon, ... is still unknown and I can't fully explain my recovery but I won't admit this as miracle either, so there must be a scientific explanation that we are intending to uncover.

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Why should we deny the facts just because we don't a have a complete scientific understanding upon them ? Of course we can't convince everybody about the role and the importance of meditation in all aspects of life. However if we imagine that on the first place a person (whose illness had not been related to genetic inherited) chose to live a very unhealthy and stressful life (it is not important why) and after 20 years got cancer, then how much time would that person need to "undo" what issues had been wrongly applied in his/her life ? The answer depends a lot on the effort to compete with the speed the illness is propagating into the body. Surgery and chemotherapy only slows down the speed but with tremendous side effects. The rate of surviving is very low. Maybe Dr. Zuzanna Moore who wrote few words about how she survived to cancer might wish to add some more information about. Her post is still visible here. We need to continue debating this topic with many more contributors possible because this might lead us to new ideas. If we wish to develop something, then we need ideas, no matter they are weird, or non-conformists or they looks nice or not, sounds good or not... but we need ideas to go forward. This is the main reason for this topic: to gather and discuss ideas. The ideas proposed here already are taken into serious scientific consideration for a proper research that will be proposed at a university in United States, so not very far in the near future we might come up with some verified answers about the hidden physiological mechanism of healing. We need to be patient and wait for this research to begin and gather some answers in one year or two (minimum). We can't jump into any definitive conclusions .... because if that would had been the case, then no research will ever be needed. Mainly just because we don't have the answers, WE DO NEED TO RESEARCH. Cristian
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Maria Serena Fabbrini · genetics

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I thank you Anirudh for your comment on " Practice of meditation and /or yoga may help possiblly to prevent or to increase the effectiveness of cancer therapies " but I wish to undeline that once a serious disease is diagnosed it is not advisable to try "empiric cures" as we need (also ethically) to support scientifically proven approaches. I do not like "prejudices" as science, I guess, must be open to all hypotheses and try to demonstrate or to not validate them
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Fasting may be the way to combat cancer. Fasting for short periods could help combat cancer and boost effectiveness of its treatments a new study has claimed. Researchers at University of Southern California found that fasting slowed the growth and spread of tumours and cured some cancers when it was combined with chemotherapy. Fasting and meditation are closely related. Fasting helps meditators..
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Thanx to both Cristian and Siva.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Yes, indeed I heard a lot about the benefits of fasting, I also heard a lot about the Oshawa diet but results are not very encouraging, even there are several cases known to be cured. But finally, it is only indirectly that fasting helps curing some diseases, because it's associated with the amount of the vital energy involved. There are some hidden physiological mechanisms. When certain patients are using fasting, their own mechanisms began to release good amount of vital energy (either we can call it biotransformations, transmutation or else). But these few are the "lucky" ones, because their potentials are high and the start only needs an impulse or a placebo or a suggestion of some sort (even fasting can be seen as a particular form of suggestion). Unfortunately, for a large majority of people, when dealing with terminal diseases, when most of them don't have any other potentials for transformation, no matter what kind of suggestion is used, or technique, or else, ... the vital energy doesn't show up. It is just like you wish to open a very old rusty kitchen cock but there is no water in the pipes. Others do have water flowing but their internal "cock" is only blocked, but at certain effort or signal or chemical, or whatever... it can be open and the energy starts to heal the body. If someone wish to appreciate how much would really help a certain therapy, food, technique, habit or else, then he must take into serious consideration how much energy has that patient in circulation or potentially available. So is fasting helpful ? Yes, but only to a certain degree and mostly only when is associated with patients having good energy potentials,... almost ready to be released or transformed. What really heals us all is not a certain tablet or drug but the energy stimulated by that. What most pharmaceutical drugs do is releasing the pain or prevent some infections but when serious illnesses appear, like cancer, then the treatment must be holistic and interdisciplinary (which involves almost everything like diet, lifestyle, emotional treatment, maybe some chemical also - however at least with minimum side effects, physical exercises might be advised, meditation also is useful, and the list is longer then that). We have to develop a new way of seeing the medical science and include all aspects of life, research for discovering hidden biological and physiological mechanisms, and many more. We are doing this in small steps but clearly there are signs that science is going in the right direction. Do not lose confidence in what science can do. It really can do a lot if studies are conducted properly, if new mechanisms are to be discovered and here we are working on that. My thanks goes to Anirudh who first created this wonderful topic, otherwise many of us would not had the chance to meet and know each other or to develop projects together ... so we need these talks to continue and we need all arguments pro or against because in some cases we missed some details. I thank you a lot for all your very valuable ideas written here.

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Siva Somasundaram · Hi Anirudh and Cristian,

8.76 · University of Houston–Victoria

Fasting is useful for certain degrees. There are specific genes that are induced by specific diet and some of them are switched off by some drugs. For example, ileal bile acid bile acid transporters are involved in absorption of bile acids from the ileum of small intestine during fatty acids absorption. In our experiments, if we supplement with bile acid rich diet, it turned off the gene that expressed the ileal bile acid transporting protein. On the other hand, sucrose or disaccharides rich diet turn on the sucrases enzyme gene expression and , it turn off when there is no sucrose availability from the small intestine. Both of these studies were conducted in both human and animal models in our group. In the light of above discussion, cancer patients may have a different types of metabolic regulation which may need further studies.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Lymphatic vessels are key to the transmission of tumours throughout the body. They are Chemical Highways which feed tumours. If we, through the practice of meditation and yoga, reduce the dilation of these vessels we can certainly reduce the risk of cancer.
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Muresanu Cristian · Hi Anirudh,

23.23 · Romanian Television

Nice to hear from you again. I'll emphasize the last words which should be seen by skeptics - "we can reduce the risk of cancer". However, ... what we really need to discover and educate (mostly younger generation) is: first how to preserve, use and then transform their biological resources because these are our most important life-feeding and life-sustaining resources. Unfortunately, we can't use yoga for educating the entire western world and we would not have good results, statistically speaking, ... not to mention the fact even among yoga students, here in Romania we have about 1-2% developing cancers and tumors. Out of, originally more then 40.000 people subscribed to yoga classes here, 99% cannot get to the point where these resources became active, even if they are staying relatively healthy. So we need a different type of education and practice, but still I can confirm yoga is a good choice for anyone is trying it. I had been practicing over 16 years. But the results came due to some other particular actions and educating habit which I had mentioned in my book. I didn't had results 16 years because simultaneously I was doing yoga, but also loosing my resources daily because of my very bad habits of my brain been waited to be "rewarded" by the endorphins created in the second when my semen was lost outside. So, if people are doing, no matter how much, how many hours, how many exercises, but if they are still not preserving, not using and not transforming (!) their biological resources, then everything had been a waste of time and diseases will come, emotional sufferance will strike them out of the blue and even cancers will develop. I know some cases,... let me offer an example, a sad one, without telling the name of that person. She was a beautiful 38 years old girl. When she practiced the asanas and postures, everybody was stunned by her mobile body, she had a perfect control over the muscles, relaxation... while me I

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was barely doing simple postures and my mind was completely wandering ... and here we had a living example. She later became a famous yoga teacher, had a wonderful husband, had a fantasy wedding,... who could wish for more ?... However, sometimes when you look at a person you cannot see what's inside. We only discovered that later on after her horrible death and 38 years old. Genetically speaking, she had many relatives, parents, grandparents with cancer... so she knew that if not paying attention to emotional factors then she might trigger that gene (I only presume of course, without a genomic analyze) of cancer. What her attitudes did not show up in front of us was a certain deep discontent, displease or shall I call it dissatisfy towards life offering. She began to criticize the life offering, then divorce came, then emotional shock, then she left our country, then another relationship broke down, then another emotional shock came.... and even she had developed and also cured some earlier smaller tumors by doing yoga and Oshava diet (the one with rice and wheat) - even so, if the attachment is too powerful, then sufferance is much powerful. And I can't say in any way that she did not consciously conducted, transforming and spiritually releasing a lot of energies in her body. She was practicing 4 to 8 hours daily - but bad habits, attachments towards emotions and people and material things had lead to the conditions of developing a tumor and died in excruciating pains. And I knew this person myself, almost became close friends, so it was not just any sad story, it was sad for me to find out about. Imagine how this incident affected all other thousands of people who asked themselves how in the world is possible that doing so much yoga one may still develop cancer. But it was not the yoga to be blamed... So, yoga can help, yes, but ONLY IF BAD HABITS ARE REPLACED with good ones and only if the 5 attitudes to life are all followed every day - as I described them in my paper (however a new complete book will be available soon within 8 months or so, in english). Those attitudes towards life are not necessarily framed as "yoga techniques" as we are used to think in our western world. A very good friend of mine told me, not very long ago, that he discovered them written on 2000 years old documents (traditional teachings coming from India), so I am not promoting any new, unknown, unheard ... ideas. I only showed through my living experience that these are still valid and applicable today and one may obtain results. The only thing is to apply them not very late in your life, when curing and healing is still possible, and just stick with them every day and if you do that then no other heavy postures, heavy mantras and yantra exercises, rituals is needed, at this phase of development. I am not talking about advanced yoga phases... which is entirely a different aspect. So, the order is: the five attitudes towards life, then yoga exercises (if someone wish to add) but not missing the attitudes. If they are missing then things still can go wrong and I verified this myself, both in theory and practice as well.
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Didier Jambou · Dear Muresanu,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals

Independently of a scientific discussion and analysis; evidently, for me, (and I think for a lot of masters in their disciplinary), "spiritual practices" and physical ones counterparts aim to change our mind. Physical practices (or even meditation) without mind and heart tranformations have few sense. So, is it the practice of a art or rather the general life changing by

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practices that act on the body ? that is the question. But after, difficult to prove it by mean of scientific proofs. In my martial art practices in the past , our masters said to the students: harmony between body, breathe, mind and it's not the martial art that has to go to you, but you to go to the art, with the consequences: changing your mind and way of life. Even if I stopped the practice because of a lot of reasons, the spirit is in my mind and conducts my life. So, even if I am at present still sick, I have done all that others can do in their life, and probably more (as my relatives say about me, the only way to stop me would be to remove the battery, but where they are :-) But, , to my mind, it's a question that is different of sciences (I am not also schizophrenic), and the justification of spiritual practices, even to spread out them for a better wordl life, has not the necessity to be based on sciences, but only the demonstration of their efficiency, even if no explanation is possible. However, we can use the same protocols as in sciences (case-control studies) to "demonstrate" their effects. Best regards Didier
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Muresanu Cristian · Dear Didier,

23.23 · Romanian Television

I am happy and honored to received a message from you. Yes, I am fully agree with you and let me quote: "our masters said to the students: harmony between body, breathe, mind and it's not the martial art that has to go to you, but you to go to the art,"... this why that person only did the first part of this "equation" so to speak... she did everything on establishing harmony of the body, breath, exercises, breathing,... but the real "art" as you called it was missing, or neglected,... or whatever was wrong in her life. That was a sad story. So, the part of the "equation" where was about that we too should go to the art is exactly what our western society needs to apply, ... so we cannot promote the first part, without having learned how to live properly day by day. I believe your power of understanding, and practice you have, will help you heal your illnesses (I don't know about what they are) but if they are not something about very extreme, terminal, then you still have the time and skills to do it. It's just a matter of time,... this is how I feel about,... I don't know. But let me tell you the good news: there is currently developing a research, very serious, respecting all scientific protocols, and in short time, one year or two, we might have some clues about all these... not necesarily a definitive and absolute answer, as in just one or two years it's too short time to tell,... but not impossible if the analises will be available... but please keep in touch with us. Sometime we might need to ask some opinions... after gathering the data... and we will be using, exactly what you said above, and I quoute again: "use the same protocols as in sciences (case-control studies) to "demonstrate" their effects." and not only that, but we wish to FIND explanations also, from physiological and biological point of view. We don't want them to be proven only by the demonstration of their efficiency. We wish more... Thank you a lot !

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Keep in touch, Cristian P.S. As I found out about your interest in biology, ... did you knew about this recent paper ? http://dev.biologists.org/content/132/15/3357.full
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Dr. Zuzanna Moore ·

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Super interesting discussion. Without a doubt, some kind of shift in the person life outlook, world view, consciousness (however one calls it), must occur for the healing to take place. How to measure it, how to achieve it, what are the actual physiological changes, if any, what do they change to bring on recovery? I agree with Maria Serena Fabrini on this: "not advisable to try "empiric cures" as we need (also ethically) to support scientifically proven approaches. I do not like "prejudices" as science, I guess, must be open to all hypotheses and try to demonstrate or to not validate them" BUT meditation costs nothing and can be done to complement whatever therapy is deemed necessary by science. Patients do not have time wait for science. So, I would even venture to say that it is unethical NOT to recommend to the patient any of many available complementary approaches.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Thank you a lot Zuzanna !!! And welcome back to our discussion !!
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Maria Serena Fabbrini ·

7.82 · National Institute of Molecular genetics

Dear Zuzanna, thanks for your contribution : I also hate "prejudices" and have myself "empirically" investigated the benefit of use of more holostic approaches to cure, and hence this is the main reason why I also support the use of "empiric cures". My point is only that ethically we cannot disreguard scientifically proven medical cures as a first choice but I fully agree that meditation is free and may help to complement therapies also helping in better controlling emotions and make patients feel much better (by the way there are now a number of hospitals offering these kind of support to oncologic patients in the USA, as well). Therefore, I appreciated your strong support saying tit would be unethical NOT to recommend to the patient to try complementary approaches, even if all the rationale proofs are not yet demonstrated....
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Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals Evidently, and as all physicians I think, people who will go by chance in this forum has not to beliave that, as some 'gurus' of sectary, we couldhave promoted the use of these practices to replace medicine. It's not definitively the case. But as "good" scientists we are, I suppose (first honest and rigourous), we have to study all biological processes, even solely expressed through brain and mind (but we join at this level metaphysicists, because no one, to my mind is at present able to define really mind through the brain and its real interaction with the body).

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Until some new ways of measurement will be able to go further. But eventually, we are right to apply our knowledges to new fields of investigation, to know where are the limits they have in universe explanation and our interaction, as human, with the universal laws. best regards Didier
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, this is exactly what my intentions are, to seek out new physiological mechanism of our mysterious body and to achieve a new understanding. Believe me, Didier we are actually starting on this moment a very special project and after having the first results we will be going public... but as we are not fortune-tellers or prophets, in this very present moment can't have yet a powerful definitive explanation, and this is the reason we are starting this, in order to prove it scientifically. Cristian
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Didier Jambou · Dear Muresamu,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals

I'll read the paper you indicated to me via the link:http://dev.biologists.org /content/132/15/3357.full; as soon as possible. Just : remember me the direct link (without having had the possibility to study it in detail at present) with your works. Because in this paper are informations that I had (and also studied in the past) concerning the possible trans-activation of gene from a cell to another (in this case , gametes); here directly and closely, but also it's the principle of action of hormon which can act at distance, via blood stream, in the body from one category of cells to its tragets ; ie cortisol secreted by corticosurrenal gland , linked to intracellular tansport protein is a direct transcriptionnal factor for gene activation in its cellular target. Thanks Best regards Didier
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, ... somehow, in our quest, these infos are not too far from what we are planning... that is a rare and fascinating article, however too heavy for my mind,... but I am glad you like it. But our quest will be much more linked to my paper (if you remember the Biotransformations Controlled by the Mind, http://ijes.info/1/2/4254121.pdf)...
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Didier Jambou · OK.

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals After reading the paper , I'll "extract" the data for you and in a langage being understood by all. In fact, and it's the role of meiosis (only germinal cells have 23N chromosomes, in order to give a future organism with 46N chromosome in humans), compared to mitosis for somatic cells. And in general differentiation of female germinal cells stop at a certain step of division and differentiation (phenomena found in most animal

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species); as male germinal cells achieve a complet differentiation (because they have to move :-) and rapidly as demontrated by experiments). After, during fecondation, that is interaction between spermatozoids and ovocyte which "awake" the female germinal cell to further differentiate (in a very short time). And that could be compared to the european legend of "the beauty at the sleeping forest" (litteral traduction from french, sorry) , where the "Prince" awakes the sleeping Princess by a kiss (who, except biologists, could make the comparison ?). But the exact mechanism of gene activation by direct contact or at distance between spermatozoid and ovocyte depend on animal species, and the different mechanisms are still debated (even known since a long time). At present, our knowledges in molecular biology and genetic allow us to understand the mechanisms at this level, and also how interaction would be possible at distance. And I think it's the objective of this paper. Now , specialits in developmental biology (I am not) could more explain it to us. Best regards Didier
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Very interesting presentation Didier, but I have a puzzle, once sexual hormons appears, they determine the activation of one ovocyte each month on the female body, right ?...The medical school proved that following that activation, the hormones determines a split into two inequal cells (called secondary ovocyte and one polar globul). The secondary ovocyte is either moved outside the body, if the female does have menstrual cycle, or it is fecundated by a spermatozoa and an ovul is resulting (which will continue cellular division) and a new polar globule (about our medical school sais that it … deorganised itself into… we don't know) and then is also moved out from the body with the menstra and the endometer. But what if, the secondary ovocyte is no longer eliminated and the polar globule is no longer deorganising itself into “nothing” or whatever ? What would that be ? And let's assume the female body is perfectly healthy. And what if they do not continue cell division but grow and mature ? Because I have testimonials first hand from very healthy women who actually have this process started in their body and their life force and health is better then all the other females... and something similar I did myself in my own body and that healed me completely, all illnesses not just one, but all of them. So we have to find answers for these things ... And if we find them, then many many people can get better or profoundly ameliorate their problems to an acceptable degree. And about the other paper which is so difficult for me to read, I'd appreciate a lot if you can explain me in a non-academic terms what they really discovered there. But, I must return now to continue the translation... I only took a short pause for writing you and thank you a lot. Cristian
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Didier Jambou · Dear Muresamu,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals As said, I am not hyperspecialist of fecondation. And I don't know the

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teaching about this subject in your country. So, at each female mentrual cycle, only one ovocytes reaches its total maturation (but one division before total and with a "sleeping" cell), the overs are not at term of maturation in ovary; and the division into two inequal cells correspond to cellular division in two cells without replication before, by contrast with somatic cells ; in term of volume this corresponds to the obtention of a cell with 23 chromosomes, principal, and an accessory one or polar globe. But if two ovocytes reach the final maturation state at the same time in ovary , you have the possibility of a double fecondation and heterozygous tweens. This process occurs during female cycle in a continuous sequence; then stops with a cell waiting for "the charming Prince" :-), During fecondation (ovul in hte Falope's trump after migration) , nucleus of spermatozao enters the ovocyte and always, wiht the division of ovocyte triggered, necessity of an assymetric division. All processes described since a long time but all molecular fevent more recently. After fusion of male and female nuclei restauring the normal number of chromosomes (46) leading to the first cell of the "egg"; then the normal somatic process of division is restaured for the next steps of embryogenesis. Finally, have these "surnumeral" cells (polar globes) an intrinsic role and which issue after ? independently of the fecondation process, I don't know and probably less studied by biologists because they are mor focalized on the understanding of future embryogenesis. So, to be studied. Regards Didier
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Kristine Atkinson ·

9.15 · Boston Scientific

I enjoyed reading a study by Oh et al. regarding the impact of Qigong regimen in a controlled trial of cancer patients. Subjective good results about quality of life and mood were matched by about a 20% decrease in the inflammatory marker C-reactive protein at 10 weeks. The variable: was it the exercise or the meditation? Yoga would yoke the two, body and mind. Oh et al. Annals of Oncology 21: 608-614 (2010). Obviously all cells are swimming in a milieu of chemical and physical factors that can trigger, dampen or silence genes. More information (generated under controlled conditions) to measure how meditation directly counteracts known cancer promoters such as stress chemicals would be welcome. Regarding the germline, maternal chromosomal proteins are also inherited, not to mention the mitochondrial genome-- see the new info regarding the role in obesity (M.M. Rogge, The role of impaired mitochondrial lipid oxidation in obesity) and expression of mitochondrial DNA mutations in Type 2 diabetes mellitus leading to insulin resistance. We see amazing palpable feats by yogis who can control blood flow and pain transmission: if you can starve blood flow to a tumor, it will kill it, right? I think the exciting areas to measure and devise meditative therapies would be control of inflammation factors and of tissue perfusion. And cancer is just one part of it: if it is to be believed, some gurus have incredible lifespans.
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Maria Serena Fabbrini ·

7.82 · National Institute of Molecular genetics

Thank you Kristine..this is exactly the type of investigations that we all really need. By the way, yoga is also both exercise and meditation, as is Tai Chi Chuan, Aikido, and possibily Qigong, as well as many other practices. Other variables are also how "correctly" are we able to perform these practices , our personal skills and backgrounds (in terms of

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"epigenetics", as well, of course), so a complexity of factors that will require further deep analyses. Extremely interesting that these topics are discussed in this forum with so open minds but also "critically". I wish to thank so much all the contributors, this is the kind of science I enjoy!
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Didier Jambou · Dear Muresanu,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals I have sent to you, at your personal email adress, a syntheis (to my mind) of the article you suggested me. Bets regards Didier
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Yes, thank you very much ! I already sent e-mail you back, but came an automated response as en vacances, je serai de retour le Lundi 11 mars 2012. But I hope you'll read my message later. Thank you very much again ! Cristian
Mar 2, 2012

Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals Yes I do. I only leave my town on tomorrow morning. Best regards Didier
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

During hypnosis, the subject may open his eyes and move about any disturbance in the hypnotic state. With training some persons can eject a state of auto hypnosis without the presence of a hypnotist. For example Sacerdote (1966) found that some terminal cancer patients can bring pain under control by self-hypnosis so that they no longer need to rely on morphine or other pain -reducing drugs. ‘Sleep on it’ is an advice given and taken universally without anyone probing into its logic. But some doctors are reading much more into this directive and involving. “Hypnos” the Greek god of sleep, to chase away much of the illness affecting mankind. Director of Mind Dynamic Centre and president of the Hypnotique Circle Muthaiah Ramanathan says most doctors merely seek to cure diseases and tend to ignore the fact that “the mind has a lot to do with a person’s health.” Mr. Ramanathan claims that nearly 80% of all illness is psychosomatic. Hypnosis is not exactly sleep, but a trance-like state as occurring during meditation. [Hindustan Times, September 21, 1995]. Yoga Nidra is a transformative practice that can bring about change on a profound level We may see analogy between Hypnosis and Yoga Nidra. “The profound experience of muscular, mental and emotional relaxation attainable in Yoga Nidra enables a balance of psychic and vital energies within the psychic channel (nadis) of the energy frame- work underlying the physical body. Free flow of these energies forms the basis of optimal physical and mental health.” (Swami Satyananda Saraswati)

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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Nice to have you back Anirudh... let me quote two phrases from my future book, related to Yoga Nidra... (however I has used the term semi-conscious sleep)... Here is my quotes: DIARY NOTES: Recent experiences, allowed me to repeat, on a daily basis, the ultrafast sleep state, using audio recordings produced by Hemi-Sync company, founded over 20 years ago by the businessman Robert Monroe. Although I tried to use some of his special sessions of relaxation and concentration even before 2006, they did not provide me permanent results because I was unable to bring sufficient transphysiological energy in the body. Currently, Hemi-Sync type experiences allows me new conscious explorations within, such as the ultrafast sleep. THE SEMI-CONSCIOUS SLEEP The semi-conscious sleep is a special state of consciousness, in which at least the hearing sense remains awake, and the biological body reaches a very deep state of relaxation. One can hear his own nasal breathing more or less noisy (the so-called snoring). At first, this odd awareness will produce discontinuation of sleep. The subject may return to wakefulness, but after a few tens or hundreds of such experiences, the habit appears (fueled by the subconscious automatic mechanisms) and hearing the breath begins to be more and more tolerated by the awake “section” the conscience, while the another “section” is in a neutral state, probably associated with the sleep itself. DIARY NOTES: I became aware of the existence of semi-conscious sleep (no longer perturbed by the wheezing breath) on Friday, July 9th 2010 after performing a certain activity, that I do not describe it here. I was able, without any preparation or training, to sleep for about 20 minutes within the perfect clarity of hearing the ambiental relaxing music (to which I am almost inseparable) and while I did that, I could hear my specific snoring being in sleep. After 20 minutes I came back to wakefulness by a very noisy breathing (through the nostrils), which brought me in the common awakening consciousness state without any suddenness. Since then, I had repeated the process hundred of times and I became very acustomed with this phenomenon and my sleep is no longer disturbed by my own snoring. The semi-consciouss sleep became a habit and my body and consciousness had adapted easily. I can enjoy this state very much.
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

34.81 · ECO-BELT R&D PVT.LTD

Muresanu Christian, I liked the explanations you have provided. A true experimentation, but that cannot be realized by 100% by all the participants because of ego (FALSE EGO). By the techniques of observation and following up of breath and entering into deep awareness, one feels full cut off of the external world but sure one hears the sound as background music-like (not affected by the hearings - that is no response or no reaction or no thought to it). Further being in that state no sooner or later one realizes that one has come out of the biological body or that one does not belong to one's legs or body or hands and sometimes that the realization of the 'self' being in the body stops at the level of heart/chest so much so that the rest of the biological body is not felt but realize a total peace and calmness and that the pain or ache or disturbances are not experienced. Being consciously aware of

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this one can wake up in this 'state' and can do normal work activities and "the kind of ego" reaches to NULL POINT or stand- still with complete harmony with self and the surroundings. At this state you don't react to anyone good or bad. I would like to hear comments on the above from you and Anirudh.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Sunitha:"but sure one hears the sound as background music-like (not affected by the hearings - that is no response or no reaction or no thought to it)." Do you mean Anahat Sound (anahad nad)? Sunitha: "I would like to hear comments on the above from you and Anirudh." 'Meditation is the art of looking within and science of doing nothing' Is this response sufficient?
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

34.81 · ECO-BELT R&D PVT.LTD

AKS: 'Meditation is the art of looking within and science of doing nothing' Is this response sufficient? True. But I seek clarifications for the followings: 1. After learning the art of looking within - what next? 2. The higher levels of illusions are realized - then what next? 3. Being within and just simply an observatory is that sufficient - or what next?
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

The path never ends... always there will be a "next"... it is the journey which counts, not the destination... (dialogues of Dan Millman from "Peaceful Warrior")
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

'science of doing nothing means' a state of perfect relaxation which is essential for strengthening immunity. This helps in combating onset of malignancy. Sunitha, Cris is right. 'Hari anant, Hari Katha ananta'. means God is Infinite and His description is endless. The ultimate goal of meditation is Know Thyself. Those who know oneself becomes one with God without any distinction.
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Prof. Dr. Bashkim Lushaj ·

9.72 · Institute of Geosciences & Energy,

Water & Environment (IGEWE) & Full Professor, Department of Environmental Engineering (DEE), Faculty of Civil Engineering (FCE), Polytechnic University of Tirana (PUT). Yes!
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Sunitha N Seenappa ·

34.81 · ECO-BELT R&D PVT.LTD

what is the difference between merging with GOD or GOD within you. Assuming that either is more or less same then the following questions: 1. Why is GOd different in different countries. Isn't GOD same because universe is same. It's we people have demarcated countries and its we who have created Religion. And its we who are scared to come out of our circle mostly drawn by our parents and before realization we would have drawn the same circles around our progenies. My annoyment is very simple: 1. The moment meditation and self cure is used rest of the world thinks that we Indians in a state of trans. It is not so. We have to refer to Hinduism based on its earliest scripts and the truths. That's it. 2. Whatever level of research undergone in, yet, there is always lacunae and limitations. So also cancer treatment. From the patient's perspective, malignancy can be controlled or arrested or cured by means of meditation Why not? These studies are most wanted areas for a country like India wherein most of them still not approachable (cost wise) to the treatments. 3. It’s the truth and the remedy that the civilization must look in for. Not 100% in line with research and medication.
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Didier Jambou · Dear All,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals

Personal pooint of view, synthetized from my readings about "spirituality" of different cultures (occident-orient), and personal inside conviction and experiencing. God, as originating universe or continuous creating it can expresses inside in Nature inside Life phenomena; or by contrats (and not contradictory) outside (that could be the different eastern or western conceptions the Divinity); that can be the same and due to it's caracteristic because by definition, He can be one or everywere. So, if He must "speaks" to all humans, He can be understand by human mind and brain in different forms. In this way, it can explain the different religions and social organisations according to the sensibility of each groups of population. After that, what is " vital strenght" in us; for me , it exists because can be "measured" by biologist, cell biologists, but without being able to really define "life". If there is One or several God(s), thie "life" could connect to its origine, to conserve this strenght until death (at the end, life leaving the body, or all the energy is consumned ?). By contrats, this internal strenght could be increase, activated to cure our self: the problem is to know an efficient way to do it: and "spiritual"practices could aim this direct connection. So Yoga, Chigong ,Taichi in orient, or priest groups in occident aiming to activate mind and heart at the same time could play this connecting role. Free circulation of energy via Kundalini in chakra are aconsequence that could explain the process for me (and brain being activated with 6th and 7th chakra awaked). Now, relation with cancer: it could be the same process, but explained at a molecular level by chemical processesin the cell, gene activation, or inhibition of tumor genes. Always only personal synthetic point of view.

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Kind regards Didier
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · you." Very good question.

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Sunitha:"what is the difference between merging with GOD or GOD within

If not all, some types of cancer particularly caused by infection are preventable through the practice of meditation and yoga.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Sunitha and Dear Every one, meditation is an important part of ancient Eastern religious practices, particularly in India, China and Japan, but can be found in all cultures of the world. Meditation began to attract attention in the West in the 1960s when Maharshi Mahesh Yogi from India brought TM to the USA. Benson and Wallace tested it and developed relaxation technique. Interest in the use of meditation in the treatment of people with cancer began in the 1970s and early 1980s, when Ainslie Meares, M.D. an Australian Psychiatrist, studied the use of meditation for enhancing the immune system in order to reduce the size of tumours. Practice of meditation is also considered as a form of behaviour medicine.
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Jesus Garcia ·

8.12 · The Methodist Hospital System

Am I the only one who thinks this post is some sort of a joke? Where's logical rationale behind this... First... brief explanation of what cells are, tissues, tumors, malignant tumors... some misleading analogy of cell communication and then... JUMP TO A CONCLUSION THAT WE THEREFORE SHOULD PRACTICE MEDITATION?! People... this is supposed to be a scientific social network... let's keep religion, gossip, and pseudoscience in facebook, twitter or better... in the trash... I am not saying that this so called "meditation" does not work for anything... I'm just saying that it is a very poor argument.... "cells are able to chat therefore meditation"...
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Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals Well Jesus Garcia ! We can now return at a fundamental and molecular level. The problem is to know interactions between our brain and the cell organisation in our all body (we are coordinate pluricellular organisms); the real process of our mind; the relation between a cellular brain process (electrochemical communication between neurons) and that we call our mind (only an electrochemical process ?). How our "mind" is able to coordinate different processes via the brain, consciously or inconsciously: when you learn to drive a car, first you think about all that you have to do , and be inhibited in doing anything, then all is integrated in

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the brain and become unconsciousness, and all needed for driving is made in an intregrated manner that take less than 0.2 sec. So, at the molecular level, cells communicate first by contact (ie tight junction as cadherin adhesive protein), external labile contact ie integrinintegin or selectine- Ig superfamily adhesine that triggers , by acin, esrine-moesin proteins the Fak-kinase system, some transcriptional factors and gene activation. At a "higher" level, communication between cells and organs can use hormon with a different mechanism, but also action on the targetted cell leading to gene activations, and synthesis of new proteins (action of corticosteroid). Hormones allow responses of our body in some circumstances (frighten treager adrenalin) , in order to adapt our behaviour to the environment (increase blood pressure and cardiac rythm to escape) .... and so on. And brain is able to coordinate incounsciously (hypothalamus, for hormon, cerebral trunc for basic functions), but we also able to control our breathe and heart rythm consciously (communication of this internal brain structure with frontal brain were our will acts): sportmen decrease their cardiac rythm before a compet. Added: neuro-transmitters can act on immune system (ie P substance can interact wiht IL1). And it has been demonstrated a correlation between low level of brain serotonin and decrease in immune system responses. Low level of serotonin are also correlated with depression, and by contrast, "happiness" increase this one and is also a manifestation of serotonin level; and "happiness" increases endophin level (also excitation state), which acts on pain, and indirectly on immunity. Now do you think that all that is as simple that you seem to think and that "mediation " (and different pracices) leading to a better control of our brain wouldn't have any effect on our body ? Perhaps a dream ? probably limitated ? But the essential, in a scientific process, is to build and conduct experiments that can confirm or reject some hypothesis, or observations (sciences enter in their actual period after a long period of simply observation, because we had not modern technologies); if observations are really honestly and objectively described. And this is really, for me, a honnest scientific thinking,in order not to reject any possibility. Remember that for our ancesters, neanderhtalian men, they could think that we are Gods, because being able to fly in planes. Best regards. Didier J
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Jesus Garcia · Hi Didier,

8.12 · The Methodist Hospital System

Don't get me wrong... I am not saying that there is NOTHING that we could do at a "mental level" that could have consequences on other biological processes including cancer. My concern is the approach the people tend to male toward this kind of things. If we look enough, we could speculate and find a link between almost anything. I am sure that a person with enough knowledge in physiology could even make a link between wiping your butt with silk instead of cheap paper to diminish cancer progression or something like that. It's true that you don't want to rule out all the possibilities... BUT unfortunately... we have limited time, limited resources, etc... so wandering around every single possibility would be totally nonsense. I think the best thing is to look for the possibilities with more evidence. If we want to innovate, we need first to present new and convincing

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evidence to the scientific world. If not, all we are doing is worthless speculations. This is not only sub-optimal, but dangerous in my opinion. Consider vaccines... I am sure there are a lot of possible theoretical pathways that could "support" that vaccines cause autism, or whatever. You can make a case for that with such a small amount or such a low quality of evidence as the "meditation" treatment for cancer... Now the consequences for supporting this speculations with so little evidence can be very dangerous... specially for the laymen... When you have a person with little education, with a loved one dying from cancer, fearful of pharmaceutical companies, and with a tendency to believe in anything that sounds "spiritual" (read meditation, prayer, whatever)... Presenting those people with this meditation therapy could make a lot of damage... Anyway... I also fear that people use this meditation to "reconcile" some religious things with science... Terrible thing to do...
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Muresanu Cristian · Hi,

23.23 · Romanian Television

When I've got sick, long time ago, I was also told and thought to practice meditation and results did not come. So I continued to use medication, mostly anti-inflammatory like Piroxicam, Diclophenac, Ketonal along with muscular releasing like Clorzoxazone and due to their effects on stomach I had to add more for stomach protection and I did that almost 5 years every and at least 1 year almost every day (it was in 2005). But I continued to practice meditation and other Asiatic techniques and still results did not come, but neither from the medication. For my headaches I was using Fasconal about every two days and I had these pains since 15 years-old almost continuously ... I also had hypertrophic rhynythes for almost 15-20 years and I went to surgery twice with no significant results. I had to use Olynth spray 4 years, 365 days per year twice a day continuously (on the bottle was written : "do not use more then 10 days"). I was using more then 1400 days this product until my smell sense began to fade. And I had cholesterol levels high... and I was using statines every 2 days continuously. So, until this point I agree with Mr. Garcia But in 2006 something happened. And that "something" to which could not find a proper name, but is part of a hidden unknown physiological process, restored my health completely, except maybe for the cholesterol levels which still above the upper limit but much lower then previously. What I am keep telling and writing here is mainly around that "something" which healed everything in my body and since then (more then 6 years already) the sickness never return and I feel not only healthy but I need half hours sleep, 1/5 food need, my attention raised significantly and I can work in higher performance parameters... and so on. So on this point on I agree more with Anirudh and Didier (who already read and know more about me) This paper ( http://ijes.info/1/2/4254121.pdf ) explains what that "something" is and a future book, over 200 pages will bring more details. The book is already translated but need grammar and english literally corrections, orthography and this will took me something about 2 more weeks to verify and then another 2 more weeks for the linguist experts from US to see about (as I am not well trained in english). Cristian
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Jesus Garcia · Hi Cristian,

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I am very sorry to say this, I don't mean to be rude. But this is not science man. I looked very quickly trough your paper and... I am sorry... I wouldn't tell you this, since I am sure you are just working... But I honestly think this is harmful to science. You are talking about things like BIOALCHEMY? transformation of the spiritual nature of the subject? Man... I am sorry to be the only one not politically correct enough to mark that this is pseudoscience at its best. You are trying to come up with "fancy" terms to merge "mystical" stuff with hard science... Really people... I know it sounds rude... but this is actually harmful for science when people make this kind of "studies"... If we want the people to take science seriously... if we want to continue earning their trusts.... if we want to keep getting fundings... we can't just let this kind of things to "pass" as science... This HURTS science, and hurts it bad... I think it also is irresponsible from Clristian to try to get away with things like this... That is why this article is not easy to find, I'm sure it hasn't been cited so much and also that is why is going to get published in a book (where no REAL scientists get to review it) and not in nature, science, or something like that. I don't mean to be rude, but I feel the responsibility to say it. -Jesus
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Well, ... that was how I had been healed. It is my own experience and I do not pretend to be universally valid for anyone. It was my own testimonial... and yes, you are correct, the paper is not proving anything and is not based on science... but let me present you the good news: a unique and special research grant application is about to be approved somewhere in US on a top American University and in within 1 year or maybe earlier we will get the whole science that everybody awaits and a much better theory. This is the truth. If you'll continue to watch our posts here, you and everyone will be informed at the proper time and the book will be made available. So, that paper which is not (and I agree with you) scientific, is only SIGNALING that something should be studied... and this is what me and the US team already began to do. And we will do it ... as we all say,... "by the book", respecting all scientific protocols, analyzes, lab experiments and so on. Everything will then be passed onto peer review, and other third parties lab reviewing and so on. Believe me that I had no intention to come up here pretending I had invented or discovered a new science... but I raised a question, I presented my testimonial and then I was contacted to participate on a in-depth research in order to prove it. Have a nice weekend Jesus ! Cristian
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Jesus Garcia · Ok Cristian,

8.12 · The Methodist Hospital System

As I said, I am sorry if it looked rude. As I said, I just consider dangerous to present this kind of new and yet untested ideas to the public (not saying you have done it) because of what these topics imply. People who

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don't have enough education to distinguish between a "potential field" and a new treatment. It's not so uncommon to hear kids that have died because their parents reject scienctific medicine and rely on "faith healing", "homeopathy", etc. I just think that it should be good to address the limitations of our speculations even when pointing at new fields that need to be study. We want to keep science as good and as trustworthy as we can. Again, sorry if it sounded rude. When the time comes, and evidence shows me that this field is scientifically proven to work. I'll look for you and gladly say: YOU WERE RIGHT, and I'll be happy about it... But until then, I prefer to remain skeptic. Have a nice weekend too Cristian -Jesus
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Helen Proud ·

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The potentially dire consequences of laypeople who understand so little, trusting too much in unproven treatments should be a concern for us all. There seems to be a growing middle-class phenomenon of people prepared to believe in different unproven `treatments`, as specific drugs become less accessible for all patients: that`s sad, scary, and makes ordinarily sensiible people suddenly vulnerable. I am neither a researcher nor a medic., just an interested layperson with an urge to quote from a letter in British Medical Journal by Michael Baum, professor emeritus of surgery and visiting professor of medical humanities at University College London, whose letter was published as a personal view in 2004 and contains these words: "The GMC is reformed, and as part of this revolution, so has our undergraduate teaching. Students are taught the importance of the spiritual domain, but also study the epistemology of medicine or, in simpler words, the nature of truth. Many lay people have an impressionistic notion of science as a cloak for bigotry. Nothing could be further from the truth. The scientific method is based on the deductive process that starts with the humble assumption that your hypothesis might be wrong and is then subjected to experiments that carry the risk of falsification. This approach works. For example in my own specialism, breast cancer, we have witnessed a 30% fall in mortality since 1984, resulting from a worldwide collaboration in clinical trials, accompanied by improvements in quality of life as measured by psychometric instruments. You promote....(an unproven treatment).... whose only support comes from inductive logic--that is, anecdote. What is wrong with anecdote you may ask? After all, these are real human interest stories. The problems are manifold but start with the assumption that cancer has a predictable natural history. "The patient was only given six months to live, tried .....(the unproven treatment)..., and lived for years". This is an urban myth. With advanced breast cancer the median expectation of life might be 18 months, but many of my patients live for many years longer, with or without treatment. I have always advocated the scientific evaluation of CAM (complementary and alternative medicine) using controlled trials. If "alternative" treatments pass these rigorous tests....they will cease to be alternative and join our armamentarium.... I have much time for complementary therapy that offers improvements in quality of life or spiritual solace, providing that it is truly integrated with modern science, but I have no time at all for "alternative" therapy that places itself above the laws of evidence and harks back to the dark days of Galen...." Personally, I agree with professor Baum, but also know

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people who, unable to access the most modern (often expensive) drugs that might benefit them the most, have rejected other scientific treatment, in favour of unproven therapy such as meditation. They are vulnerable and at risk. Helen
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Jesus:"Am I the only one who thinks this post is some sort of a joke?" Not joke but yoke which binds us back... It is also not a joke to make jokes
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

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Jokes have great psycho-therapeutic value. Jokes are just 'catharsis' Thank you Jesus for giving the discussion a new direction. I will also provide scientifically gathered evidence in support of my views. I have already provided some evidences in the beginning of this discussion Thanks to be with us.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · For Jesus Garcia-

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

MEDITATION AS CANCER TREATMENT This is a 64 year-old man who developed symptoms leading to a biopsy-proven carcinoma of the rectum. He was a psychologist by profession. He refused surgery, and sought direction from the author. He did extensive meditation work with the author and engaged in meditation at home for 1-2 hours/day between office appointments. He noted subjective improvement in 2 weeks. In 6 weeks he discontinued enemas which had been necessary due to partial obstruction of the colon. In 2 months he no longer had to be up at night. After a setback following a negative suggestion from an iridologist, he again improved, and 6 months later his stools had returned to a normal caliber. One year later all symptoms were gone. His meditation practice averaged 3 hours/day, in "divided doses." He returned to his joyful activities of writing poetry and hang-gliding. Meares A. Regression of Cancer of the Rectum Following Intensive Meditation. Med J Aust Nov 17 1979; 2(10):3940. Comment The author of this case history is accumulating significant experiences in whole-person management of cancer in Australia. The author describes his approach, which included encouragement of meditation characterized by extreme simplicity and stillness of the mind, faithful daily practice, and communicating with the patient by reassuring words, phrases and touch. the client in this case history began improving within 20 sessions. He states that patients do better when chemotherapy is not involved and believes that depression is associated with the immune suppression of chemical treatments. Negative suggestions from participating physicians and caregivers are a significant negative factor in his opinion. This is a single case history. Brendan O'Regan of the Institute of Noetic Sciences gathered over 3,000 reported case histories of

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"spontaneous" recovery from cancer in a volume entitled "Spontaneous Remission," Sausalito California, Institute of Noetic Sciences, 1993. these were only the reported cases. The true number is probably many times 3,000. Editors hesitate to publish case histories of this sort. One thing appears quite certain. Dedication, strictly positive attitude, and support from caregivers and physicians who believe in the possibility of recovery are essential ingredients for improving the prognosis. The number of persons seeking this approach to lifethreatening disease is increasing. The stories of recovery need to be emphasized over and above the description of the usual survival and course of devastating disease. Psychoneuroimmunoendocrinology Review and Commentary by Robert A. Anderson, MD 667 N.E. 4th Street, K101 East Wenatchee, WA 98802 (Excerpt from "Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients," January, 1999 edition) Copyright © 1996. The Light Party. Your Feedback is important to us. Please send us E-Mail. Our E-mail address is lightparty@iname.com
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Robert Hurst ·

15.94 · University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center

Single case histories, particularly those that are anecdotal, provide little scientific insight. Spontaneous remission is well accepted and understood--the immune system for some reason attacks the tumor and eliminates it. Whether this had anything whatsoever to do with the meditation exercise is completely unknown. The patient might have achieved the same result by standing on one leg or reciting the Gettysburg Address backwards. Given that there are millions of cancer cases, spontaneous remissions in a few thousand are hardly surprising. Unfortunately, lay people put great stock in such testimonials, as any watcher of the hawkers of products sold on TV will testify. (But wait, there's more! Operators are standing by!) Now how one would do a randomized clinical trial of meditation, I have no idea. The real flaw is evident in the final paragraph above. "Dedication, strictly positive attitude, and support from caregivers and physicians who believe in the possibility of recovery are essential ingredients for improving the prognosis." So, if the approach fails, it is excused on one of these grounds. I suppose if people want to follow this approach and deny conventional medicine, that is their business. After all, there is no shortage of people in the world. Perhaps it will make them feel better before the end, unless, of course, they are lucky enough to experience the rare spontaneous remission.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

We are discussing Preventable Cancer. Who can take the risk of denying use of conventional medicine in cure of cancer. But I don't see any harm if we practice meditation and yoga. There are many relaxation techniques which enhance immune system. Practice of meditation and yoga is one of

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them and is highly effective too. .
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Robert Hurst ·

15.94 · University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center

The harm comes if people use meditation, prayer or yoga instead of conventional medicine. I practice yoga myself, but don't expect it will do anything to prevent cancer. Unfortunately, people with cancer have an enormous sense of denial. I suppose in the end it matters little because our modern anticancer therapy produces few actual cures but does extend lifespan with variable quality of life. If they feel better about these alternative therapies while they are dying of cancer, well, what is the harm? It may cost them a year or three of life, but if they are happy, in the end it is their choice. I know of a very sad case that illustrates this. A couple I know is not married, but they have been living together for several years. They are in their 50s. He now has cancer, but because they are not married, his significant other (SO) has no legal standing. His kids are in total denial and are foisting off all this alternative medicine crap and "traditional" therapies on him and have pushed his SO out of the way because she is advocating conventional therapy or just get him assigned to hospice care and live out what time remains in as much comfort as possible. He is too weak to resist. I am sure that when he dies, the children will blame her for sabotaging their efforts to save his life because she wasn't "positive enough."
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Didier Jambou · Dear Robert,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals

I agree with the fact that often, as for all severe diseases (or chronic ones operating all life), it's very difficult to accept (denie)it ; and I speak by experience. This favour the use of alternative treatments in cancer, even unstead of conventional ones which have proven there efficiency by case-control studies; and also because often weak adverse effects compared to chemotherapies ie. But the lack of such studies , with unconventional treatment, render the comparison not equal. Thus, as the criteria of evaluating effects of a treatment on cancer are based on technic which are able to measure progression or regression of tumor, these are to be used for studies of "alternative" medicines. Howerver, you said "our modern anticancer therapy produces few actual cures but does extend lifespan with variable quality of life"; I cannot agree with this sentence, because early detection of cancers has led to about 50 % of complete remission all stages mixed (perhaps have we to compare epidemiological data in the different area of the world). Evidently, it depends on our definition of a cancer cure; because with our actual follow-up of patients with genetic and molecular biology, abnormal cancer cells can stay in organism even with any clinical or conventional imaging or biological technic of detection. So, statistics has probably to be re-evaluated now. Best regards Didier
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Robert:"The harm comes if people use meditation, prayer or yoga instead of conventional medicine. I practice yoga myself" Dear Robert I am very happy that you practice yoga. Meditation, prayer or yoga is never recommended as substitute for conventional medicine (treatment), Once cancer is diagnosed meditation, prayer or yoga may be practiced along with conventional treatment. They may enhance recovery. There are three aspects of health viz., preventive aspect of health, promotive aspect of health and curative aspect of health. Main domain of meditation, prayer or yoga is promotive aspect of health.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Infections cause 1 in 6 cancers worldwide. New study say 1.9 m cases a year are tied to infections which are preventable. One in five cancers in India are being caused by infections with viruses, bacteria and parasites. “Infections with viruses, bacteria and parasites are one of the biggest and preventable causes of cancer worldwide. Application of public health methods for infection prevention, such as vaccination, safer injection practice or antimicrobial treatments could have a substantial effect on future burden of cancer worldwide”, said Catherine de Martel and Martyn Plummer from the International Agency for Research on Cancer, France, lead authors of the study. Interestingly, common view is that cancer is a non-communicable disease (NCD). The study authors added, “The 2011 UN high level meeting on NCD highlighted the growing global agenda for prevention and control of NCDs. But although cancer is considered a major NCD, a sizable proportion of its causation is infection and simple non-communicable disease paradigm will not be sufficient”. Godard Danaei from Harvard School of Public Medicine added, “Their estimates show the potential for preventive and therapeutic programmes in less developed countries to significantly reduce the global burden of cancer and disparities across regions and countries.” Now the question is what infections really are? Can anyone of us be spared of infection? Two things are essential for infectious illness. Firstly, a human body which is ‘ready’ for illness (i.e. whose resistance is low), and secondly, a sufficient number of microbes. If we imagine that in an auditorium a shower of microbes rains evenly down on a hundred people for a whole hour, thirty people would be completely unaffected, fifty would become slightly ill, and twenty seriously ill. This has nothing to do with virulence of the germs, but only with the powers of resistance (immunity) or readiness for illness of the individual people. Increased virulence or numbers of germs would, of course, alter the percentage. If there is some way to strengthen immunity system? During meditative calm, the muscles are soft and without tension, and brain waves slow down to a serene state of emotional and mental calm. This is the Alpha state in which the brain’s rhythms slows down to 8 to 14 cycles per second, the two halves of the brain are in balance, and we are less aware of the body or our surroundings. In this the immune system is strengthened, the body is better able to heal itself and the mind able to be

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both creative and intuitive. In a study carried out by Dr. H.K.Sahib (1986), Immunologist, Central Drug Research Institute, Lucknow, it was found that yogis, who practice meditation were less prone to infections even if they lived in places exposed to malarial, bacterial and viral contaminants as compared to individuals afflicted by nervous disorders. His study further reveals that a person who is usually depressed is more susceptible to infectious disease. During this study it was found that endorphin (a body made tranquillizer) was stimulated during meditation and this substance had a strong influence on the body’s immune system. Thus a communication link exists between the nervous and immune system (neuroimmunology).
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dr nandini Manoli · onself from cancer

8.11 · jss medical college

Meditation is known to improve once immunity and thus help in protecting

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Prof. Dr. Bashkim Lushaj ·

9.72 · Institute of Geosciences & Energy,

Water & Environment (IGEWE) & Full Professor, Department of Environmental Engineering (DEE), Faculty of Civil Engineering (FCE), Polytechnic University of Tirana (PUT). My opinion is not enough, somehow! We need to know the genetic structures and then ...
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

I agree with both opinions, because meditation-relaxation is useful but only complementary and at least in some phases of the disease, medication might be needed, but hopefully in low doses... depending on the advancement of the illness. The biologist Bruce Lipton wonderfully said in his presentations that we should go to our body inner pharmacy before any other, but when the patient did not took any appropriate action in given time and when he is ultimately running out of time, then we have to help him, at least to offer new amount of time and education in order to make a new trial and decision for his life and lifestyle. Both allopathic and traditional medicine offers more or less time (the first one more time but with more adverse effects, the latter less time but with less adverse effects), a time which the patient must use in order to put his/her life in order and help himself, auto-educate himself in order to let the body mechanisms to heal, because we all have these mechanisms, but our lifestyle inhibits them. I had just found that our body contains almost equal number of bacteria and cells, or even more bacteria... but this is a well balanced symbiotic relationship between them ... so killing would not do any good, but restoring the balance will do. As a good news, my first volume of the in-print book "Biological Transformations Controlled by the Mind" is currently under language and grammar correction, also awaiting to pass a peer review. If everything ok, then within one or two months will be ready and available. My entire healing experience and theories is written there... at least in a didactic view and then we'll manage to create real science in order to highlight what this inner "pharmacy" really is and how can we "go" there for the proper "medication". The genomic analyzes will be on the basis of our research.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Cris, I agree with you that the practice of meditation and yoga and all other relaxation techniques keeps the doses of medication at the lowest level.Once body chemistry is disturbed we should take chemicals in the form of medicines under the supervision of a physician for the repair of body chemistry.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Yes, unfortunately this remains a need because patients are allowing themselves to become so sick, that they only change their lifestyle or go to a physician only in the last moment possible... There is a desperate need for education, a new lifestyle, a new thinking... and when the education level will get a certain degree in their consciousness then treatments, the life, the diseases will become bearable, solvable and less costly. Life thought me never let a symptom ignored, never let a pain signal unsolved, otherwise I'll go back to the almost continuous suffering I was just escaped from since 2006. I interviewed last Tuesday Mr. Miceal Ledwith, the former Pope John the 2nd adviser and on the first 30 minutes of the interview he told me an astonishing story regarding his amazing recovery from Transverse Myelitis, 20 years ago. I'll upload a file later on with his testimonial. And he sent me also copies from recent analyses where I could literally read from his doctor: "exceptional recovery". His testimonial is a part from a new series of TV programs here on Romania. He was told, at that time that maybe his life will end in within weeks or months, and 20 years later

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he is still alive and well. He did something similar with what I did, but he uses a less scientific language to explain that, but is very similar. He is now 70 years old.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Absolutely right, Cris. I fully agree with what Mr. Miceal Ledwith told you. If it is not out of the context I would like to tell what my father Late Mr. Vishwanath Prasad used to tell us about his recovery from diabetes and TB. At the age of about 40 my father was suffering from diabetes. One day when he was returning home from office he was caught in a unruly violent mob and was hit badly His lungs was badly affected and later diagnosed for TB. He was very upset. One day a Yogi met him at the bank of river Yamuna and the Yogi told my father certain yogic exercises. After some years my father was fully recovered from diabetes and TB. He took medicines too. When at the age of 82 he had to undergo surgery for hernia, his blood sugar, urine sugar and B.P. was perfectly normal. The operation was successful and he lived a very comfortable life thereafter for almost a year and was died at the age of 83 in a road accident in the year 1989. SO YOGA PRACTICE NOT ONLY CONTROL DIABETES BUT ALSO CURE IT.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

http://dl.transfer.ro/Excerpt_from_Miceal_Ledwith_healing_testimonytransfer_RO-29may-2bf77e.AVI
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Rohan Chaubal · Cancer (ACTREC)

24.13 · Senior Research Fellow, Tata Memorial

Centre, Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research, & Education in Why dont you guys go ahead and publish a paper in a peer reviewed journal if what you guys claim is really true and has experimental validation and proof ? :) what is holding you back from giving the world a true cure for cancer, if whay you say is true? :P
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

We will have our first peer reviewed book published by a highly respectable publishing house. It will appear in two consecutive volumes (first one containing the theory, and the second one containing first lab results to confirm the claimed theory). If everything will be done properly then these two will be available in few months, at least volume one very soon and volume two on the beginning of 2013... But the books are not for cancer therapy or any other therapy. They are designed to offer new perspective on maintaining a long term health and some limited capacity of healing, if illnesses are not terminal. However, what will bring them new is the presentation of a new physiological mechanism previously uncovered, which now can be studied, thought and used by anyone in certain circumstances.
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Margaret Tyson ·

6.05 · The University of Manchester

A paper in a peer reviewed journal would be taken more seriously and get a wider readership of the scientific community and possibly lead to other research.......

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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

This is exactly what I am intending to do... and I am not alone. I work with a team from the Department of Biology and Medicine from a top University from U.S. ... When I'll have the results, either they are successful or not, I'll present them entirely. However there are strong expectations that success will follow in short time.
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Jack Jacobsen ·

14 · Rigshospitalet

Hey, there are already thousands of 'cures' for cancer. Millions are are treated and cured every year. More die, unfortunately, but we all die in the end, you know. Cancer rates will keep climbing as long as we keep polluting the world and ourselves. I like meditation. I think it can do a world of good. I've personally felt the positive changes that it can impart, mentally as well as physiologically. However, I am sure that this will fail miserably, with regard to the scientific community. For the reason that we don't know what our mind is, scientifically. We don't know what meditation is, scientifically. So how can you study it scientifically? You cannot. Sure, you can make all sorts of fancy correlations and associations to lead to exotic hypotheses. That's what we have done with depression for, what, 60 years? Lots of correlations, blood samples and brain scans (It's the serotonin, stupid!). So many scientific articles. But still no effective treatment there, scientifically speaking. Even though there are millions to treat! The mind still eludes us, when it comes to scientific understanding.. So, when we don't scientifically understand our mind, at all, how can we cure cancer via the brain, scientifically? We can't. It's hopeless. It may work for some, but no scientific value can come of it. Meditation is spiritual in nature, not scientific. Science and religion don't mix very well. If you want to be spiritual, then become a priest or a yogi. If you want to be a scientific minded person? Well, you finish the sentence.. I sincerely wish you good luck, though, and hope you can bring good things to the world. Cheers
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Muresanu Cristian · Hi Jack, ...

23.23 · Romanian Television

I am not entirely agree, however you might be right in some hypotheses. It is not hopeless to study the mind and the brain scientifically. I'll recomand watching this film (not really science but sort of,...). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o This might be helpful for you. Chris
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Margaret: "A paper in a peer reviewed journal would be taken more seriously and get a wider readership of the scientific community and possibly lead to other research......." Nice views. We may collectively do this. Spiritual practices are our friends. We may consider comments of Tichivaldes . "I meditate daily, have for six years. No spiritual experience while meditating, but after having a 24 hour halter cardiac exam , and being told by the cardiologist that the heart rate was noticeably better during meditation, I trust that this trance-like state gives the body a chance to recover its natural rythm, which most likely stress

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alters. I deduce that praying probably has the same salutary effect; people let go of daily preocupations and place themselves in a sort of Neutral speed state. (like in a car started but not running)"
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Cris: "It is not hopeless to study the mind and the brain scientifically. " It is recommended to study mind and brain scientifically. I have attempted to define mind scientifically. I defined mind as the function of atutonomic nervous system (ANS). Hypothalmus is the body-mind interaction point . ANS is largely under hypothalamic control. Sixth Chakra (the point where we concentrate to meditate) is situated very close to hypothalamus. In modern days increased autonomic mobilization leads to stress and stress causes many types of cancer. So it is necessary to study mind and the brain scientifically and to see how practice of meditation controls mind and brain activities.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Yes, I agree with you Anirudh,... Science is going through its way, slow but sure in its results, difficult but with great satisfactions. I believe one day science will prove all these... the first steps are already passing right now. This is the main reason why we should encourage science to study phenomena derived from eastern traditions, otherwise there always be an unsolved dispute and arguments between science and eastern traditions and this does not lead to any benefits to any of the sides.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Cris: "Science is going through its way, slow but sure in its results, difficult but with great satisfactions. I believe one day science will prove all these... the first steps are already passing right now. This is the main reason why we should encourage science to study phenomena derived from eastern traditions, otherwise there always be an unsolved dispute and arguments between science and eastern traditions and this does not lead to any benefits to any of the sides." GREAT COMMENTS.
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Muresanu Cristian · Thank you Anirudh,...
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

It's O.K. Cris. Most welcome. Great responsibility lies on your shoulder. I wish you all the best.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Fortunately I am not alone in this tough job,... otherwise I could never presented these ideas... and I got started from that IJES paper (no matter the IJES has no impact point, they do have a peer review), then the Bruce Lipton interview, then the connection with the US University,... now a full book is currently under peer review and english correction. This is

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one of the most important steps... to pass this very serious peer review and see the volume 1 published. Because at this stage we do not have the analyzes yet. Volume 2 will contain the analyzes and interpretations. I worked almost 4 months between 4 to 8 hours daily for translations and also my current job as journalist... so, sometimes I worked every day more then 12 hours... I hope to be for the benefit of us all and I'll let the hard science to be the judge upon my words and not myself. Very soon this will be seen...
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Cris, May God Help you!
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Rohan Chaubal · Cancer (ACTREC)

24.13 · Senior Research Fellow, Tata Memorial

Centre, Advanced Centre for Treatment, Research, & Education in ^^ god has nothing to do with this. I am pretty sure that the next time you fall sick you will go to a hospital, not a temple.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

That was meant to be a metaphor ... not a precise word to word meaning.
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Alex Visconti ·

7.52 · Universidade de São Paulo

I invite the coleagues to take a look in Evolutionary Biology in the subject "Is evolution the cause os diversity or by diversity we define evolution?" 'cause I think pehaps you may help our discussions there as for me your ideas have a lot to do also with some evolutionary concepts we're discussing now.
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Jesus Garcia ·

8.12 · The Methodist Hospital System

LOVED your comment Rohan! :) I say we quit feeding this irrelevant and dangerous joke. This people don't see what danger they might cause to the people. They do exactly what homeopathic medicine does, appeal to people weaknesses, beliefs, ignorance and conspiracy theories... (to make profit out of it...) This is why they don't publish in peer reviewed journals, they are not trying to make science, they are trying to make it sound like science in order to gain a little bit of trust from the lay people. Just throw them some complex numbers, a couple of genes, a weird story about immune system and how will they distinguish that from true science? The thing is... they don't want to be held responsible for what it might happen, they just want to spread the rumor that this works... because of one case here and there that showed a correlation between "meditation" and better outcome in cancer, they assume it works... I would like for people to not be so "politically correct" with these kind of practices... Meditation supporters as a treatment for cancer are just promoting an ambiguous unscientific hypothesis that is tempting to vulnerable people, I find it disgusting to "play" with people (ignorant about medicine) that are in a very vulnerable state. So guys, please don't wash your hands. This kind of therapy has not been proved, and personally I doubt it ever will be... Until then, please keep it like that, as a "crazy idea"... if not, please just be aware that you might

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indirectly get blood on your hands and hurt the scientific trust tat society still gives us.
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Alex Visconti ·

7.52 · Universidade de São Paulo

I agree, God has nothing to do with, but our minds have and we're like little gods. Depressed people impact their physiology bodies very clearly and animated people so on. Our minds are powerful ones and even much more we ca now imagine; and if this's not still quite scientific nowadays, it surely wiil be, and in the past it all would appear like magic. We already know unconscious controls a lot of biochemical reactions and physical states that would be inimaginable in recent past, so you can easely imagine what we'll still find out about all this matter in future.
Jun 14, 2012

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Alex: ." but our minds have and we're like little gods". Excellent.No one can dare to disagree with you. But Jesus Garcia appears to be quite misunderstood on our position on meditation with relation to cancer.
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Alex Visconti ·

7.52 · Universidade de São Paulo

Yes, Anirudh, for sure he is, and even when I say God has nothing to do with all this subject it's only because whe can't mix science with God. Even a pray may be a strong force that sometimes may cure us and this, of course, for me is not religion but a deep intelligence that surrounds everything. Material universe is not perfect but it's perfectly balanced and we must always look for this equilibrium that makes matter to well function and, our minds, of course, have a lot to do with. I see sicknees as a unbalanced stade in our bodies that is completely related with our minds.
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Jack Jacobsen ·

14 · Rigshospitalet

Look, can you answer some simple questions: 1. What is the mind and how will you study it in an unambigous way? 2. How will you know if people are meditating 'in the right way' (akin to compliance). 3. What the heck is 'cellular biotransformation' ? Is it related to terminal cellular differentiation? Or a change of phenotype? Then please use that term. 4. What is the 'the equilibrium the makes for well function'? How can you measure / describe it in a scientific way? 5. What is a little God as opposed to a large God? 6. How to measure the unconscious and its impact on physiology? In conclusion, I think the focus should be on the original post, in caps. Quote: "WE STILL DO NOT KNOW HOW THESE CONTROL S WORK.". Is that why you are throwing unscientific terms around, based on nothing but belief and anecdote? By all means, study meditation. I wholeheartedly endorse it. Just don't pretend that it is new and has never been studied before. And, most important of all, try to define a clear, scientific hypothesis!
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Margaret Tyson ·

6.05 · The University of Manchester

....and outcome measures....
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Didier Jambou · Dears Colleagues,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals Thee principle of elaboration of the protocol of a case-control study in clinic can be applied at all researches and questions asked. The problem is the necessary time and money to perform such studies, that oblige clinicians and scientist to make a choice a priori, on that seems to them the more "relevant". And evidently (for me), consciously or unconsciously, our mind choose question that appears the most "scientific" as possible (sciences is the way to study, not the possible subject itself that can be studied). I think the precedent subjects , concerning "non material" facts (or unmeasurables) have not be chosen in the past for "correct " studies in the scientific way described; however can be submitted to these proofs, and we cannot affirm before testing that it doesn't exist (it would be also a wrong assertion) Before Marie Curie, no one known radioactivity of elements , and could have the idea to measure it because being invisible. In parallel, Jack asks "what is the mind ?" : evidently as invisible, and unmeasurable, and perhaps only a concept (with our actual knowledges), there is no response to that quesion ; but this "no response" is in general and for all persons; and philosophists try also to define it with the same failure. And that question is in the same register than "From where coming us ? " (not sufficient for me to respond ie by "from two fusionning cells)" ; "why life and is there elsewhere life on other planet ?" and so on .... human existential questions ! But even without definition of the mind, neulology, neurophysiology, considered as scientific disciplinaries, try to explain the brain functionning, and have also no response to this question. In this case, can we deny the right to other disciplinary to try to give some responses, if they follow the same scientific protocols for their demonstrations; but also if we consider that scientific protcol s are the only ones capable to give us responses. If yes, our friends the philosphist could be considered as having no utility, because their responses are not based on scientific procedure ; as there are perhaps the more competent to give a response to "what is the mind" while science is not able to do. Best regards Didier J
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Larry Carlson ·

41.69 · United Tribes Technical College:

II doubt that anyone on this forum would doubt that meditation is not generally therapeutic (though whether it can retard cancer is a more specific question). Whether prayer is effective is quite another thing, as it brings religion into the equation (Meditation, pe se, does not). So, as far as they prayer goes, one often reads that people should realize that science is not the only way to knowledge. I agree with Didier that science is only a way to study and thus is not, by defintion, hostile to issues that have not traditionally been under the purview of science...hence scieintists attempt to study paranormal activity, or at least to see if such paranormal activity exists...Scientists, in accordance with their own standard of objectivity, do not decide beforehand that there is no such thing as paranormal activitiy, as some people would accuse them of doing. (Unless they are really bad scientists!), otherwise they would not try to determine how effective it is. Similalry, it is only fair that scientists don't assume that paranormal or spiritual activity exists and then ask how effective is it, Science is really just the word we give to the best possible methods of knowing something. Scientific methodology will, of course, vary somewhat depending upon the task at hand. In any case, methodical studies of the efficacy of prayer are inconclusive, and, I agree, will

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probably remain so. It is important not to jump to conclusions just because we can show that meditation is effective.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Jack:"1. What is the mind and how will you study it in an unambigous way? 2. How will you know if people are meditating 'in the right way' (akin to compliance)." Mind is the function of autonomic nervous system and hypothalamus is the body-mind interaction point. I have derived mathematical formula for spiritual quotient which the indicator of meditation in right way.
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Larry Carlson ·

41.69 · United Tribes Technical College:

Anirudh: Yes, studying the connection between meditation and the mind and body's response to it is a great field. Apparently, meditation increases serotonin, thought there have been warnings that too much serotonin is not good for one either.
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Alex Visconti ·

7.52 · Universidade de São Paulo

Yes, Anirudh, for me too hypothalamus is the basic interaction point, and It may even command evolution in many aspects that, for sure, will change many old concepts biologists still have now. Just following it we have also the celular membranes, now being considered as important as nucleos in filtering and passing informations. Gathering all of this we'll have in a brief future a revolution in some biology concepts, I can bet.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Larry: "meditation increases serotonin," I am sorry Larry, above statement of yours needs some correction. Meditation does not increase serotonin. Meditation increases level of melatonin which helps to control/cure malignancy.
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Larry Carlson ·

41.69 · United Tribes Technical College:

Anirudh- If you google "meditation" and "serotonin" you will find numerous sites claiming that serotonin is raised by meditation. I will try to concentrate on the more authentic medical sites: One study finds that melatonin is increased by meditation in general, but that "Melatonin decreases during long meditation" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed /14976457. As with melatonin, when longer meditation begins to resemble rest, serotonin levels may go down (see Ulleval Hospital study). Dr. Solomon Snyder, director of the department of neuroscience at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine states that "It's reasonable to assume that meditation might increase serotonin, a calming neurotransmitter, in the brain." http://www.ibsgroup.org/forums/topic/29410-meditationand-serotonin/ Indeed, according to "The Serotonin Syndrome". American Journal of Psychiatry. June 1991, transcendental meditation may cause hyperserotonemia and a more recent and extensive study (2011) by researchers from Toho University in Japan, published in the International Journal of Psychophysiology, links meditation to enhanced serotonin levels. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21333699
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Larry Carlson ·

41.69 · United Tribes Technical College:

Anirudh: However beneficial healthy levels of serotonin might be, I am not suggesting that serotonin reduces cancer. Indeed, SSRIs have been accused of increasing the risk of breast cancer. However, accoording to Koogan et al., "data provide some assurance that the use of SSRIs does not increase the risk of breast cancer." http://aje.oxfordjournals.org /content/162/9/835.full
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Tarun Tyagi ·

5.45 · Defense Inst of Physiology & Allied Sciences

Well, really excited goin thru this scientic cum philosophical discusssion here. There is a lot to comment on, but will limit myself to the original question... Meditation has been proved to be effective in preventing some common health problems...and/or maintains healthy state of an individual who practices it in right way and regularly. Now, how does it do this ? One general beleif is that it enhances the cleansing of organs by draining out the toxic metabolic byproducts like free radical species which if accumulates, cause damage to our cells and DNA in them. And classically DNA damage or mutations may cause cancer development, so in a way by cleansing out toxic byproducts from body, meditation may prevent some diseases including cancer. And Mr. AK Satsangi, MIND cant be defined to be limited to just a function of Autonomic Nervous system (and since it involves voluntary controls also).........it is much much more than that.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Mr. Tyagi, nice comments. However, I don't agree with you on my definition of MIND. I don't want to limit the definition of mind to just function of ANS. But this definition defines mind very accurately. Emotional expressions involves almost no voluntary control. Fantasy and Day Dreaming are different from thinking. Former involve no voluntary control whereas thinking involves voluntary control.
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Jack Jacobsen ·

14 · Rigshospitalet

Tyagi, you still have not answered HOW in the slightest way. People have been talking (and selling) detox for years - without any proof whatsoever. Many charlatans have been exposed - still no proof. How does meditation remove the toxins? We are talking causality here, right? In my experience, when I am relaxed I consume less and healthier food. How is that for an explanation? And @ Satsangi, emotions can be controlled. Thoughts can go out of control. Your generalisation does not hold up. I think the Buddha is more correct when he said that everything is mind. When you mix up these things with (supposedly) scientific arguments, both aspects (spiritual and scientific) are destroyed. Also, neuroscience has proven (more or less) that free will is an illusion. But that argument goes on. Your rational thoughts may very well be mostly emotionally derived. Can you separate your wish to help others and explain nature from your desire for glory, wealth etc.? So stop thinking and start meditating ;) cheers and nice weekend to you lot
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Jack:"I think the Buddha is more correct when he said that everything is

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mind. " I have never heard or read it. Everything is not mind. There are three entities; body, mind and soul.
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Alex Visconti ·

7.52 · Universidade de São Paulo

Pehaps he meant that mind can create the others: body and what we call soul, as soul, if it exists, has to be a contrapart of out bodies. If so, mind surely can controll all and meditation may well interphere in deseases, including cancer. But, unfortunatelly, we surelly still don't know how it works; scientifically speaking, of course.
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Chithra Ramanathan Pullai ·

7.12 · UNIVERSITI PUTRA MALAYSIA

I do meditate . I am one of the Buddha follower. Meditation helped me to relax my mind and reduced my overall stress level.Honestly , it helped me more than anything. Daily meditation energize my mind power. I realized that frequent meditation contributed to high chances for regaining body energy and mind focus. Regenerating health without medications.
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Alex Visconti ·

7.52 · Universidade de São Paulo

Yes, Chithra, I do think if majority of people could meditate the world would be already a better place to live in the sense of health and violence. Unfortunately, even traditional religions brought us many struggles and war along the history 'cause it always has been a matter of motive and power. If God exists, He's closer than breathing, of course, and meditation may be the better way to reach this common Conscience tru our minds
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Alex:"Yes, Chithra, I do think if majority of people could meditate the world would be already a better place to live in the sense of health and violence." Excellent. Congrats,
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Jack Jacobsen ·

14 · Rigshospitalet

The soul is just another concept of the mind :)
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · entities.
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75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

No Jack, in Eastern Religious Philosophy mind and soul are two different

Satyapal Singh ·

3.54 · Bharat Narsingh Home

Maditation are helpfull in controling our gland,s secersion
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

In Australia, in the 1970s, six cancer patients were taught simple yoga

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posture, breathing techniques, deep yogic relaxation and ajapa japa or meditation on the breath, with positive results. It was found that meditation can enable people to isolate the past experiences which have led to the development of cancer, to cancel the effects of past and to release the frozen energies producing the cancer. Meditation also brings about a profound reduction in anxiety which allows an individual to mobilize their energies to fight the disease. [From Talk by Swami Niranjanananda Saraswati at the National University, Bogota, Colombia, May, 2006]
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Robert Hurst · Center

15.94 · University of Oklahoma Health Sciences

How were "positive results" measured? Steve McQueen was extolling the virtues of his "alternative therapy" a few days before he died. He received not only pancreatic enzymes but 50 daily vitamins and minerals, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas and injections of a cell preparation made from sheep and cattle fetuses. McQueen was also given laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits. I would only accept these findings you mention if they were performed in a double-blind clinical trial. Anecdotal evidence is just that. I would not doubt that yoga might make one feel better, and that definitely is a benefit, but I am very skeptical that yoga could alter the eventual outcome.
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Dr. Zuzanna Moore · as an adjuntive?

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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Hi, ... I had found this documentary about a new kind of healing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded& v=Z57uBCcOdvI For english subtitles press CC red button
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Fahd Al-Mulla ·

8.1 · Kuwait University

We really need to stop this circular arguments. To measure the influence of meditation in cancer or any other disease or physiological reaction, we need to do randomized clinical trials. Without this, scientific process, the arguments become circular and the influence of meditation a myth. I reviewed the literature. There are 714 papers in pubmed using the terms meditation and medicine. There are 208 such publications relating meditation to cancer. few are randomized clinical trials "J Clin Oncol. 2012 Apr 20;30(12):1335-42. Epub 2012 Mar 19. Effectiveness of mindfulness-based stress reduction in mood, breast- and endocrine-related quality of life, and well-being in stage 0 to III breast cancer: a randomized, controlled trial." and came to the following conclusion: "To our knowledge, this study provided novel evidence that MBSR can help alleviate long-term emotional and physical adverse effects of medical treatments, including endocrine treatments. MBSR is recommended to support survivors of breast cancer." I kindly ask you to hold and use the scientific process closely to you if we are to make any considerable change to suffering patients.

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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Dr. Moore: "Are we discussing meditation and others as a sole primary treatment or as an adjuntive? " Of course, NOT as a sole primary treatment. The topic of discussion is more concerned about prevention of cancer.
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Jack Jacobsen ·

14 · Rigshospitalet

Al-Mulla, great point! I doubt paper number 715 will make a difference unless scientific quality is improved. The paper you cite is highly encouraging as a potential way to improve care and quality of life for patients. Kudos!
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Here is an excerpt from the film - The Five Biological Laws Testimonial of cancer healing In February of we met with Christoph Buck, who has had testicular cancer and got rid of it without any medical intervention. He was able to identify every stage of the condition in light of the five biological laws. I had recognised an induration in my right testicle, it feels like all your pants are too tight. Suddenly I became afraid. I saw an urologist in Stuttgart. The first view was of course alarming. So he carried out an ultrasound examination. He said, with % certainty, this was a malignant testicular tumor. Now you have cancer. This was shocking, first. Suddenly it struck me that some months earlier, I had read something in the internet (about New Medicine). And what was interesting was that this Dr. Hamer had had testicular cancer, too. And after he recognised testicular cancer in himself, he drew a link to the death of his son. This specific testicular program serves the biological benefit to increase fertility, in order to compensate for the loss of a beloved one by begetting new offspring. Of course, our biological nature disregards civilised moral values that forbid us to simply replace a deceased by someone else. Here, it is all about survival of the species. We see, again, this cancer has nothing malignant, detrimental or wrong in it, either. I compared my situation to his theory, as he later concluded that testicular cancer is evoked by an experience of loss. It was easy for me to determine this conflict in my case. I knew my conflict immediately, and I knew it was resolved, and my situation coincided with what Dr. Hamer in his publications had presented as the healing stage. Testicular tumor is not the ordinary sort of tumor one would think of, growing to a compact mass. during the active stage of the conflict it produces tissue defects i. e. cellular depletion. When the conflict has been resolved this cellular depletion halts and the healing stage begins. with restitution of this defect. And this process brings about swelling. the symptom of which is an enlarged and indurated testicle. The entire process was completed by December.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Here is another excerpt from the film - The Five Biological Laws Case report: Osteosarcoma

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In the December of I suddenly developed severe back pain along with paroxysm, i. e. the muscles were blocked and I found it difficult to breathe When rising up there was such stiffening of my back that I could hardly breathe. I took a higher dose of traumadolor, an analgetic and relaxant, and was sleeping for twenty hours. Immediately, I felt better. No pain, I was tired, I could sleep. For the time being, everything was all right. And as the effect of the drug declined, I became sick. I had to throw up. The pain came back. This led me to examining my previously aquired knowledge about New Medicine. I had first encountered New Medicine in . A friend of mine who had been ill with cancer already for many years, had heard about the announcement of a talk by Herr Pilhar. We had attended it together. And as she could exactly track the history of her cancer and all consecutive cancers, I was so excited that I enlisted on the spot for further training seminars. So now when I did some research, I soon found that my back pain was due to an osteosarcoma and by what conflict it was preceded as well as the resolution. It was clear to me what had actually happened. In , my company was having a strained time. A lot of employees were released. I work in the field being in charge of a big area and many clients. A complete reform of the area structure was made, posing a great challenge. This had started early in the the year and became again very acute in July with a new reorganisation. This new change was imminant, but yet no one knew how the new allocation map would look like. And on the eve before the meeting at which everything was to be announced, after pm, I checked my emails, while working, and I learnt which new area was assigned to me. I was completely shocked. It really struck me all of a sudden. I knew I had to go through this on my own. I was afraid to fall ill again and not to stand it. Lumbar vertebrae central self-devaluation - "My life's achievement is ruined". Biologically: The lumbar vertebrae fail to carry the upper part of the body. I almost collapsed internally, and already at that moment I said: Now a Special Programme is running. From then on, I was working intensely until the end of the year. With great efforts, I was able to get everything done. There was growing appreciation from my new clients. And in the christmas trade, I received a lot of thanks, appreciation and even presents. And a few days before Christmas, I was in my living room, saying to myself, quite classically, "Well done! You've finally succeded!" On the next day, the pain came. So I entered the healing phase. When the medical expert talked to me, I was already prepared for his diagnosis. "There are multiple metastases at different places in the vertebral column. The MRI reveals shadows that point to metastases. A follow-up examination is urgently needed!" They wanted to schedule me for scintigraphy and send me to hospital. I refused to do anything of this. Neither did I try to change his beliefs, nor was I afraid. Actually, I felt sorry for him, when he told me all these thing - his diagnosis and prognosis and what has to be done. I told him that I have a different view on these things, although I would consider his proposals, but I would definitely not agree to surgery or chemotherapy. On the following day, a bombardement with telephone calls started. I was called very often and asked when I would go to hospital. I was urged to fix a date. After several calls I succumbed and made an appointment four weeks later, in order to be left alone, and two days before that date I cancelled and demanded not to be called again. I would not come to the hospital. In the mean time I had a CT scan made without a contrasting agent. So, of course, the radiologist asked me why and what for. I just said I need it. So, however reluctantly, the CT scan was made. Afterwards, he said everything was all right, I only had to wait for him to write down his findings. I had demanded not to be given any findings. Eventually, I received everything. And I wanted to visit Dr. Hamer. I spoke to him once on the telephone. We had a deep, honest and encourageing conversation. Before we were able to fix a date for a meeting, he went to exile, again. Through the few people in New Medicine I knew, I found a therapist in Cologne, and made contact with him. He asked me for the MRI from the hospital and for a new CT scan of the affected part of the

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vertebral column. Between the MRI and the meeting with this therapist, four months had passed. I was able to find a radiological practice where New Medicine is applied. There was a long waitlist, I finally got my CT scan in June. When I saw the therapist again, finally, it was August. He confirmed to me that I had completely recovered. I had often spoken candidly in my company and also in front of my superiors. I said that I wouldn't do this and that again, but I continued to do my job day after day. and I managed to get it done. Until I received my clients' thanks, in December, which represented the resolution of the conflict. I had been receiving these thanks from the beginning of December - but I didn't notice it consciously or unconsciously. the crucial moment was the situatioin which I remember exactly: When I patted myself on the back and said: You did it well, you succeeded! On the following day, the pain came, and fiercely at that. I was completely unaffected by the expert diagnosis in the hospital, I was always feeling grateful that I had encountered New Medicine. The confirmation by the therapist was just another proof that it is correct. And I am simply convinced of this. In my case it proofed correct. I have been able to track it in a lot of cases, as well as in my family, in minor health problems or major ones. I can verify it every day. And even when diseases occur in my clients, including severe cases of cancer, I can always confirm that the problems, the conflicts and the type of cancer as well as the course match 100% with New Medicine.
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Michal Haran ·

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

What exactly is meditation? How is it different from other forms of mind-body techniques? what are mind-body techniques? Is there really a border between the body and the mind, or are we just calling what we can measure and understand (with our currently available tools)-"body" and what is still elusive to us and much poorly understood-"mind". Indeed, all living beings – plants as well as animals, are made up of a large number of basic units called cells. But, one cell in our body is more complex than the most advanced computer. The way malignant cells "behave" in the test tube is very different from the way they do in-vivo. We are very far from truly understanding the complex net-works of those complex biological systems, even though there have been many major breaktroughs. There are normal cells which continue to divide and differentiate throughout our life. Those cells should undergo programmed cell death, but once a certain event occurs they no longer do. The way they effect their surrounding environment also changes. So, not all cancer cells are the same. Many functions of our body do not require that we think about them. This does not mean that we can not actively control them if we wish to do so. This also does not mean that we have control over complex biochemical processes of every cell in our body. I think that encouraging people to stop and do something for themselves and their body is health promoting. I think that people who do so will also eat healthier food and will try to control their environment to be more health promoting, as they will not take health for granted. I think it is hard to differentiate among all those factors, but it doesn't really matter.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

A part of the cancer cell behavior can be explained by the 5 laws of Dr.Hamer, but another part can be explained by other biological laws and

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probably most of them still remains unexplained, but science already had achieved great steps since Middle Ages, so I feel encouraged that we are on the good way. At the time when Dr. Hamer was about to put the basis of his theories a large part from Germany was under the communist regime and there was no Internet. Now we have the freedom of exchanging theories and opinions and it is great to do this onto researchgate, one of the largest community forum on the world, dedicated to science and knowledge. Just 30 years ago, Bruce Lipton faced the same strong opposition for his new views regarding biology, but now they are largely spread and appreciated. The scientific community is now much much more open to new ideas then it was in the past.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Michal Haran:"What exactly is meditation? How is it different from other forms of mind-body techniques? what are mind-body techniques? Is there really a border between the body and the mind," Meditation is concentration to meditate at some chakra (energy center). They are, in fact, various nerve centers distributed along the spinal cord. Concentration to meditate at sixth chakra is considered the as the best form of meditation. It is different from mind-body relaxation techniques. Pineal gland is activated during practice of meditation at sixth chakra. Yes, there is a border between body and mind. Mind is the function of autonomic nervous system (ANS). ANS is largely under hypothalamic control. Hypothalamus is the body-mind interaction point.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

According to Micheal Tlerra, a herbalist from California: "Ayurveda with its or three humours system, is able to provide a complete understanding of the cause of health in terms of a metabolic balance. Disease is simply understood as an imbalance between the nerve energy (vata), catabolic fire energy (pitta), and anabolic nutritive energy (kapha). All foods and experiences have an effect on the overall balance of these respective humours. This proven by the fact that through adjusting the balance of diet only many health problems are alleviated. Herbs are used as 'special foods', serving to eliminate excesses and strengthen deficiencies." Practice of meditation and yoga maintains balance amongst these energies and creates good health conditions. Proper nutrition and practice of meditation and yoga are necessary for promotion of good health and prevention of diseases including cancer.
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Dr. Zuzanna Moore ·

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I would like to make a comment to the post that appeared here several days ago by Fahd Al-Mulla With all do respect, maybe we just need to start thinking outside of the confines of the statistical box and academia. From the article you quote J Clinc Oncology: "To our knowledge, this study provided novel evidence that MBSR can help alleviate long-term emotional and physical adverse effects of medical treatments, including endocrine treatments. MBSR is recommended to support survivors of breast cancer." My comment: what is "novel" about it? Also, why not recommend it to any patient immediately after the diagnosis (very stressful time), and all throughout the treatment? Maybe scientific inquiry should attempt to answer these; does MBSR

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adversely affects the medical treatments (surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy) or not? It shouldn't be too difficult to do, the greater problem lies in who is going to sponsor/pay for such a research? But, nevertheless the work is done and published in peer review journals. Here is one example: “The field of psychoneuroimmunology has witnessed an explosion of empirical findings during the last two decades. Research has documented the mechanisms through which stressful emotions alter white blood cell function. Stress diminishes white blood cell response to viral infected cells and to cancer cells. Moreover, vaccination is less effective in those who are stressed, and wounds heal less readily in those who are stressed. While stress decreases the activity of some white blood cells, stress does not compromise the function of all types of white blood cells. Indeed, some types of autoimmune disease, which involve particular subsets of white blood cells, are exacerbated by stress. The literature documents the efficacy of talk-therapy interventions in altering immune system parameters and enhancing the body’s ability to combat disease. The literature also documents the impact of the chronic stress of poverty on immune system function.”(Littrell J., Soc Work Health Care. 2008; 46(4):17-37)
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

About the impact of stress and conflicts here is another quote from the above mentioned film (available on You Tube with english subtitles) Imagine five people who go to their common workplace one morning where they are informed that they lost their job. And each of the five persons conceives this information in a different way. What happens? Mr. A sees his job mainly as a source of income to make his living, it gives him his "daily bread". The closing of the company for him is highly acute and dramatical, as his "daily bread" is endangered now. He feels isolated, for he lives alone and cannot share his sorrow. The situation was unexpected to him. He suffers a biological conflict with the content of starvation. Mr. A develops a liver hyperfunction with subsequent cell proliferation, if the conflict remains active for an extended period of time. As soon as he finds a new source of income the cancer will automatically be decomposed. The hyperfunction and the tumor of the liver help him to extract more nutritive substances from little food. Mr B is among the higher echelons in the company which he sees as a source of personal importance. It's for him to decide and to direct. In biological terms, it is his territory. The closing down of the company is highly acute and dramatic for him as his source of importance and authority has suddenly disappeared. Whithout this company he is a "Nobody". In addition, the situation is isolating, as noone who has not made the same experience can share his feelings. The closing down is unexpected. He suffers a biological conflict of "losing one's territory". Mr B's coronary arteries widen and might cause heart aching. this provides for better oxygenisation of the heart, so he has more power to regain his territory. After the resolution of the conflict, he will develop bradyarrhythmia, a special kind of heart attack. Mr C had always identified himself with the company, being proud when it was running well, losing self esteem when it was running badly. The sudden closing down came as a devastating defeat for him, especially, as he was not even informed in time. He suffers a conflict of central self-devaluation: "I am a loser". Mr C experiences a cellular depletion in

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the vertebrate column. Upon resolving the conflict, restitution of vertebrate bone or intervertebrate disks will begin, causing back pain for some time. Mr D sees the company merely as a source of extra-income. His big family maintains him. As his territory, he doesn't regard his workplace, but rather his marital life. Therefore, the closing down of the company is not highly-acute nor dramatic for him. While being isolating and unexpected, he suffers no conflict as the dramatic aspect ist lacking. For Mr D, no special programme becomes necessary. Mr E is actually a standard case: He suffers three conflicts at a time, as all contents are dramatic for him. He develops the symptoms of A, B und C. We see from this example that several people can have a completely different assessment of the same situation. They can suffer different conflicts or no conflict at all. The therapeutical approach taken in each of these cases would have to be based indivudually on each specific background. Of course, these were only three possibilities of assessing the situation. Starvation, loss of one's territory and self-devaluation. But there is still an infinite number of other possible interpretations. It's an entirely individual thing. there is no general rule. For example, the release of adrenaline is obligatory in every conflict. That is a hyperfunction of the adrenal marrow. So there are many programmes that start in every conflict, because they are always efficient. It is something known to everybody: When you experience any small conflict, the heartrate increases immediately. This is a special programme as well. So there is not only one special programme triggered by each conflict, but there are always several ones.
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Didier Jambou ·

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals Precedent comments (Dr Moore) make me remember the beginning of our discussion: neurophysiological experiments (I had to find them again) showing that some neuromediators interferact with immune system by action on some interleukins. So, we can supposed that our defenses can be increased or decreased by interaction with our brain functionning. But a relationship bteween certain observed effects and supposed causes have to be demonstrated by case/control studies. Because, at the moment in human studies, such are only the one admitted to bring "scientific" proofs in clinic. Best regards Didier J
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Michal Haran ·

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

"Yes, there is a border between body and mind. Mind is the function of autonomic nervous system" This is mostly semantics. Most modern physicians would consider the ANS to be part of the body. It seems to me that we agree that there is no such separation and one is intimately part of the other. I personally think that the mind-body dualistic way of thinking is counterproductive and mostly serves to simplify very complex biological processes we don't yet fully understand.

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I personally think that it is more likely that cancer is caused by the constant exposure to "safe" levels of carcinogenic substances in the western industrialized modern world.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Dear Friends, a long debate has been on. Let us try to find head and tail. The question was 'CAN MEDITATION COMBAT ONSET OF MALIGNANCY?'. In my opinion, and as is generally believed, meditation is a kind of momentary or short or relatively long term mind concenteration technique, apllied or practiced by a large number of individuals or culturally and geographically diverse socities in thier own unique manner, for relieving stess or attaining relaxation. Due to emerging stressful lifestyles in modern world, It is gaining importance and popularity. Malignancy also known as cancer,. on the other hand, is a dreadly group of diseases with little known etiology, grave outcome and limited treatment options, and above all, threatening the very existence of life on this planet. Viewing the whole discussion from above angle, it seems that meditation through all its known benefits, including applied neuro-endocrinology or psycho-neuro-immunology, may poossibly help in combating or delaying overt malignancy during naive or occult phase by upbolstering of bodily defences or immunity. It may also help in palliative cancer care by relieving psychological and emotional stress and thereby pain. In nutshell, it may improve quality of life, or at times longevity, in cancer patients.. Meditation in conjunction with physical excercise, sports, good nutrition and/or holistic care or medicine may have added short or long term benefits in malignancy. However, how far is it useful in getting rid of clinical disease or altering final outcome is a question to seek answers! Probably, exhaustive clinical trials critical scientific analyses and validation are needed.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Dear Mr. Sood

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

What an excellent and comprehensive views on meditation and cancer! The real problem with most of our learned western scholars is that they are not able to understand mind, meditation, spirituality etc. according to Eastern Philosophy.
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Michal Haran ·

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

"The real problem with most of our learned western scholars is that they are not able to understand mind, meditation, spirituality etc. according to Eastern Philosophy." That is true. But I am sure we can enrich each other.
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Matthias Schaefer ·

18.58 · Deutsches Krebsforschungszentrum

I am at a loss why you consider this paper (mathematical modeling of Notch-Delta interactions, see link) as a breakthrough for the development of cancer drugs. Additionally, you might have to re-define what a tumor represents. Cancer is certainly not an entity to talk to but an elusive target, which is evolving constantly as long as is able to divide. Meditation might influence these divisions if you practice caloric restriction while meditating. But that might be all...unless you design the experiment to prove that one of the myriad techniques of meditation has a statistical influence on cancer development or progression.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Michal: "That is true. But I am sure we can enrich each other. " Great comment. This is a kind of real socialization.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Dear Anirudh and Michal the world is slowly transforming and unifying. The Yoga, a nice blend of meditation, exercise and self discipline is fast catching up with western mindset. Recently I found Yoga being taught in community places and beach side in Canada. It is just an example, much more is happening and diverse cultures are likely to be amalgamated.
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Michal Haran ·

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

I may be wrong (as I admit that I only have a relatively superficial understanding of the eastern way of thinking), but my impression is that the major difference is that the western way of thinking is that we should conquer nature and do "better" than nature, we should eradicate what is "bad" and encourage what is "good" (with the assumption that we can always know what is bad and what is good and what needs to be eradicated). Whereas the eastern way of thinking (as I understand it) is that we should find the way to live with nature, and disrupt it as little as possible. The western way of thinking had many accomplishments, but at the same time as we are part of nature, fighting nature is eventually fighting ourselves. We are not wise enough to understand the complexity of nature. We are not wise enough to predict the long term results of our interventions. If we fool our senses (with fake perfumes and food additives) we can't predict the consequences. The chemotherapy we give may eradicate most of the cancer cells, but at the same time it creates (unintended) changes in the stroma, which makes it a few folds more protective for those few tumor cells which escaped. This does not mean that we should not intervene, it just means that we should be more humble and cautious. It means that we should stop substituting natural fats (we think are harmful) with synthetic "healthy" substances. It means that we should fix what it wrong with as little disruption as possible. The way I understand meditation is that it connects you with your body

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and connects you with nature. You are not conquering it, but harmonizing with it. It's a constant reminder that the complex biological system which is you, should not be taken for granted and is a part of a much larger system called nature. It makes you both proud of what you are and humble.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Dear Michal, Great views indeed! While meditating one concentrates and finds this universe a unified, harmonious and peaceful dwelling place, wherein all flora and fauna, including humans a small component, appear to be integrated and intertwined for the welfare of each other and all. It transpires and transcends positive signals to the mind, more specifically, the particular brain centers, to produce certain neuro-humoral transmitters leading to complex cytokine or non-cytokine mediated cell-immune-cell interactions that boost up our energies, vigour and vitality to fight the evil, including upbolstering immunity against diseases and cancer. What is needed, more scientific authentication, validation and mathematical computation.Sooner than later, it is going to come.
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Eswar Shankar ·

1.07 · Case Western Reserve University

Just a small thought. In a hypoxic microenvironment which is predominant in any agressive cancers how does meditation help?
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Michal Haran · Dear Naresh,

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

You can't use quantum mechanics to understand a poem. You can't measure emotions with a ruler and quantitate them In the same way you can't use scientific tools to understand or validate a different philosophy. We can enrich each other if we learn to think in a more flexible way, not if we try to fit a different way of thinking into our own. Trying to do this turns science into a Procrustean bed, into which everything has to fit.
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naresh kumar Sood · Dear All

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University

Science is a systematized knowledge of facts Philosophy is the rationale of in depth understanding of facts Faith is a belief in the doctrine of facts Cumulatively, they augment each each in the pursuit of truth and eternity. Therefore, linking them is inevitable in the modern times.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

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Science is also defined as logical coherence. Einstein did no experiments. His theories are based on logical thinking.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Thanks Anirudh for complimenting To begin with it was all faith Then came the philosophy And finally the science of it Again we have to have faith in science and philosophy to believe that meditation in to stay.
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Matthias Schaefer ·

18.58 · Deutsches Krebsforschungszentrum

To Anirudh and Michal: I conclude from your entries that you do not seriously consider the need of experimental proof to answer the original question: "Can meditation combat the onset of malignancy?". Where do you go from here? Complementing each others views on the subject of East/Western division of thinking? By the way, most of Einstein's theories were proven to be correct by experiments.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Yes Matthias, that's what i have been propagating all through, that is the logistical and conclusive testimony
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Yes, Matthias I agree with you. Who have stopped any one experimenting benefits of meditation and yoga? Try to practice meditation and yoga correctly under the supervision of a proper meditation instruction.
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Michal Haran · Dear all,

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

I think this very interesting discussion is beyond the specific question raised. My personal opinion is that science is an excellent tool to answer many questions, but not every possible question. A child asks his father: Why is the ocean blue? The father, a purist scientist, sits down with his son and gives an elaborate explanation of wave lengths, the structure of the retina, the visual cortex and perception. The father, a priest, answers that this is the will of god, or that this is the symbol of purity etc. The father, an artist, explains that if you look carefully you will notice that

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it is not blue at all, but many different colors-gray, green, white and different shades of each one, that from the distance appear as one solid color. He also shows him how it changes in shade during the hours of the day and the different seasons. The father, a philosopher says-this is a very good question my son. The truth is that we do not really know, but we can definitely think about it and try to seek the answer. Each view point complements each other and creates a much richer view. Yet, you can not prove (or disprove) religious thoughts using scientific techniques, nor can you paint a picture or compose music or write a poem by using such techniques. You also can not "make" the cells in your petri dish migrate by letting them listen to nice music or putting a beautiful picture in front of them. you can only do that by understanding the mechanism of their migration and providing them with the proper substrates. You can use functional MRI to examine the brain of a great artist while he is painting. You may even be able some day to find the exact changes that occur in the brain on a biochemical level. I truly doubt that you will be able, by using such substances in other people to create such talent and be able to draw the exact picture. The beauty of our world is in its diversity. science is only one way among many others to view and comprehend the world. It has its strengths but also its limitations. The question regarding the effect of meditation on cancer can not be answered with scientific tools. At the most (in a very elaborate study over many years, with numerous participants) you will be able to know the incidence of various types of cancer in people who meditate on a regular basis, using very strict rules vs. the incidence in those who do not do so. What would be your control group? How can you control for other effects on the mind and brain? what if someone listens to music, what if someone prays? What will you be comparing and how? How can you be sure that everyone is practicing meditation in the exact same way? what would be your "sham" meditation? This study would be prone to so many biases and errors, that the results would be questionable.
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Michal Haran ·

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

"Science is also defined as logical coherence. This is true but logical thinking in itself is not enough. If you go to a primary school and measure the size of the feet of the children and also their knowledge in math, you will reach a very logical conclusion- knowledge in math is dependent on the size of the feet. This will lead to another logical conclusion- If we want to have good mathematicians in the university all we have to do is measure the size of their feet when they apply. How did we reach this very logical yet ridiculous decision? because we oversimplified. We failed to recognize a very important variable which effects both the size of the feet and the knowledge in math, which is the child's age. The correlation between the size of the feet and math knowledge may be excellent with a p value of <0.0001. The more complex and less defined the system you are studying, the more your study is prone to such errors.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University I think that logistics and planning can achieve the target and science can resolve this riddle too, as has been done in the past in many complexities.. The strategy has to be to tackle many issues simultaneously such as: EpIdemiology and risk factors of cancer vis-a-vis practices of meditation Behavioral patterns in meditating and non-meditating subjects Studies on neurotrnasmitters, nerve impulses and brain functions before and after meditation Studies on stressors and de-stressors in blood and tissues Cytokine networkimg and kinectics of immune system targeting particularly immunosurveillance and natural killer cells Body metabolism and homeostasis Survival index of cancer patients with and without meditation etc. These are some of the suggestions for specialists to ponder. To conclude as there has been a shoe that fits every feet, the science can find answer to every question including the current one 'Can meditation combat onset of malignancy' Head start has already been made.Do a web search, you will find many references in science journals.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

An extensive experimental study can also be made to show how practice of meditation, yoga and other exercises helps to inhibit gene expression.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

I did practiced Yoga for over 16 years and I know it is useful. When the research study will begin, and this will involve DNA analyses, I'll then find out the scientific proof of all this practice, with the very important mention that only when this practice is doubled by transmutation and biotransformation, the results will show up. In less then 10 months we should be able to have first results from the DNA analyses and we'll then publish them. Unfortunately, those disciples or followers who do not include in their own yoga practice this transmutation and biotransformation, the results they got are just minimal, temporary or no results at all. It is possible they might be a little healthier but that depends on how much they are consuming the vital biological resources on daily routine and intimate relations. Only a superficial yoga is not enough, and I know that from my own experience.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Excellent Cristian.

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

According to Swami Niranjanananda Saraswati of Bihar Scholl of Yoga, Munger: “Practicing the physical postures relaxes , disturbed, stressed organs of the body and increases immunity. The breathing techniques increase the body’s vitality and assimilation of oxygen. Relaxation helps one to manage fears and insecurities. It is not the disease, but the fear of the disease, DIFS – Disease Induced Fear Syndrome, which kills a person. Deep relaxation or yoga nidra practice frees the mind and the cognitive faculties from the influence of fear. The mind regains its vitality and energy and begins to influence the body to behave in the right manner. Meditation enables one to be more centred and to accept life.”
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Swami Niranjanananda Saraswati further writes: "In the UK a group of HIV positive patients were taught physical, respiratory, relaxation and meditative practice. Some improved, which indicates that through the practice of yoga there is a process happening in the body which harmonizes the imbalances in the defective organs, allowing them to function again at an optimal level."
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Gavin Wright ·

8.4 · St. Vincent's Hospital Melbourne

I presume this is the humor section of researchgate. I enjoy a bit of mysticism and i feel great after a massage, but I am fully aware that I'm not inactivating any kinases or demethylating any tumor suppressor genes. Great philosophy, no science here.
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dr nandini Manoli ·

8.11 · jss medical college

I agree that yoga and meditation does play a role in controlling many cancers as it plays a role in immune regulation and release of neurotransmitters.
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Michal Haran · Hi Gavin,

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

I don't think you can be fully aware of the activity of your kinases or the methylation status of your (or your patients) genes. I agree with you that this is not a scientific discussion. It is a discussion about the limitations of modern science and medicine. Cancer (as well as other diseases) are caused and maintained by numerous factors, many which are yet unknown to us. Our therapeutic interventions have numerous effects, some which are beneficial and some which are detrimental. Some which we are aware of and some which we don't know about and discover many years later. Sometimes simple measures, such as nutritional changes or avoidance of certain substances can prevent diseases with minimal cost. Possibly people who practice meditation also have a more healthy life-style. Possibly they are more aware of their body's nutritional needs. Possibly they have a better balance of rest and activity. Not everything that we can't prove scientifically is useless. "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that

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counts can be counted. Albert Einstein"
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Well Michal well said. In fact, balance is is the key to success, longevity and life itself. May it be balanced thinking,balanced nutrition or balanced lifestyle, all help in combating stress and diseases, including malignancy. Meditation is one of the easiest and simplest principles to follow in life that costs only little time but no money.
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Michal Haran · Dear Naresh,

8.29 · Kaplan Medical center

I think meditation may be a way of living for some and not so for others. I think we all have to find what gives us the right balance and what helps us live our lives to the fullest. For some it is meditation, for others its religion and for others its music or art. I am sure that meditation is the right thing for you and many others in this discussion, but not so for others. I think we should respect each others way of living. We should learn and possibly incorporate what fits us. The problem arises when one culture or group of people tries to show its superiority over another or force its belief systems.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Michal: "Not everything that we can't prove scientifically is useless. "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. Albert Einstein" Very well said Michal. But I would like to clear it that we don't want to force anything on anyone. Practice of meditation and yoga does not involve any culture or religion. It involves only our body, mind and soul. It is the most cost-effective way of living for better physical, mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual well-being and ultimately social well-being.
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18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Dear All, we are discussing the role of meditation in cancer in a very cordial way and the contrbution of everyone is valued and respected. LET ME ADD THAT IN SOME OF THE MEDITATION FORMS, MUSIC AND ART IS AN INTEGRAL PART. It is basically a mode of concenterating your mind and forgetting your woes. Enjoy please, the way you like.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Gavin: "Great philosophy, no science here. " The number of people practicing meditation and yoga is growing in a big way. The scientific community is also slowly beginning to recognize the depth and dimension of meditation and yoga.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

23.23 · Romanian Television

Science develops in stages and needs research. Spirituality develops while practicing and needs a good dose of belief. However, in our days, science and spirituality begin to intersect each other. Let me explain how I see the main stages of developing in science. First we have an idea, which might emerged from a happening, an experiment, a dream or revelation, but then we have to rationalize it. That means 4 important issues: • Accumulation of all experimental data on the investigated phenomenon over a certain period of time, from as many locations as possible where it has been observed. • Correlation of data with a mathematical model or a theory through which the phenomenon becomes reproductible whenever it is necessary. • Making predictions based on the theory or a mathematical model created in order to validate it (or them) concerning the future manifestations of the investigated phenomenon. • The reformulation of the theory within a public understanding of science area which is, at the same time, a researcher's proof for self-understanding of the phenomenon. The intuitive knowledge will have no value unless it can be associated with language, a model or theory. For this, we need concepts, symbols and laws which may be implemented in the investigated phenomenon. Then, after observing a phenomenon, and after intuitively finding some laws of variation and models development and after finally validating them through science means, we need to go back to the most important test phase of the experiment, and that is: the living experience of the observer. Thus, if we felt that fruits could be used as food and we checked out and tested that by scientific methods then, the next logical step would be to live the action itself by eating them, after which there is no reason for studying them again (an experiment is also a quality and quantity

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accumulation. But here is the problem: either scientists are too attached to their ideas and dogma so they cannot embrace the new development, either spiritual seekers are not willing to test and verify their ideas and revelations, using scientific methodology. The intersection between science and spirituality is happening only when both sides agree to follow the presented steps without attachment and without fighting for whose truth is more valid, but peacefully meeting within this methodology. This is the reason we also have peer review. Peer review means that we have to pass the idea to a team who will analyze it from a different perspective. It is possible that the author is so attached to his idea that he/she cannot see its flaws and even might not be aware that is attached. Obviously, an outside observer who had not being involved in this might have a different look and see some minor flaws, some incorrect therms or missing data... sadly to say, but very very few people having illuminating wonderful spiritual experiences ever agreed to explain them in other language except mystical one or to participate at in-depth research, experiments, and help science to find good ways to proof it. I was told many times from many esoteric schools that science is unable to explain or proof anything from what are they practicing. Maybe that was valid 20 years ago, but now is different and my goal and my encouragement is that science is able and must find ways to be more and more able to explain and proof these things and make them available in the education system. So we need these steps presented above.
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naresh kumar Sood ·

18.92 · Guru Angad Dev Veterinary and

Animal Sciences University Dear Friends, I think we are all merely peer reviewing Meditation vis-a-vis Malignancy. Each reviewer has viewed the subject from personal angle, shared and enriched the knowledge and experiences with others.This is how the philosophy is transformed into a scientific theory and vice-versa. In the process philosophy of science reaches its ultimate goal, the common man
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Manoranjan Chavan ·

7.12 · Grant Medical

Interesting.It is seen that Meditation alters cell metabolism however how far it has positive effect to combat onset of malignancy will be nice topic for researcher.
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Ospan Mynbaev · Dentistry

6.35 · Moscow State University of Medicine and

Dear all! Are there exist clinical data proving this relationship? If we suggest only on the basic researches and speculations we are not going to reach any intelligible conclusion. I repeat my suggestion It is nice hypothesis but it is not studied and not proved.
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Muresanu Cristian · scientifically...

23.23 · Romanian Television

This is exactly why we need to study and if possible to prove it

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Ospan Mynbaev · Dentistry

6.35 · Moscow State University of Medicine and

Clinical trials on this hypothesis are very difficult to setup and epidemiological studies are difficult to make a relevant design of groups because of ethical issues. It is impossible prescribe meditation only to patients with cancer and placebo to others.
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Didier Jambou · Dear Colleague,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-Faculty

of Medicine and Hospitals

The problem, in clinical and treatment stduy designs, is not to have or not (if we consider meditation non active) a treatment for some patients , but to have a equivalent to meditation as placebo. Indeed, you can always built a study (as made for others classical treatment where a reference treatment exist and study of a new one) where you "administer" the two "treatments" at the same time at the two groups (case and control); an sequentially with ba phase of "wash out" , after which you invert groups. To explain, in classical clinical study with 2 tretaments : A the reference one and B a new one (it was the case for new treatment in HIV where you always used the reference one AZT + new ones: protease ihnibitors)): - phase a: goup1 with treatment A + placebo of B and group 2 treatment A + treatment B ; f;or (x) days, - phase b: group 1 with treatment A + treatment B and group 2: treatment A + placebo of B Then particular statistical analysis. So, which "placebo" for an "immaterial" treatment"like meditation ? that's the point. Best regards Didier Jambou
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi · Yoga and Cancer

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

"M. D. Anderson Receives 4.5 Million Grant, Largest Ever for Study of M. D. Anderson News Release 04/12/10 VIDEO: Watch Dr. Cohen speak about yoga and other mind-body practices Phase III trial will study efficacy of incorporating mind-body intervention into breast cancer treatment, cost-benefit and work productivity In an ongoing effort to scientifically validate the age-old belief that mind-body interventions have a beneficial impact on the health of patients, The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center has been awarded more than $4.5 million to study the efficacy of incorporating yoga into the treatment program of women with breast cancer. The grant, the largest ever awarded by the National Cancer Institute for the study of yoga in cancer, will allow researchers to conduct a Phase III clinical trial in women with breast cancer to determine the improvement in physical function and quality-of-life during and after radiation treatment. It will also investigate if such stress reduction programs result in economic and/or work productivity benefit."

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Muresanu Cristian ·

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Yes, but they are allowed to do it ONLY during radiation (and/or chemotherapy) session to see how much it help (when due to radiation the patient is feeling very weak, his power of focus is minimal, his thoughts are random and emotionally is probably doing worse). The article said: Building on such research, the Phase III study will enroll 600 women with stage 0-3 breast cancer, all undergoing radiation at M. D. Anderson. (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/185305.php) There are two possible outcome from this study: 1. Yoga and meditation are useful for rising the quality of life 2. Yoga and meditation can't replace radio and/or chemo therapy I agree with No. 1 and I disagree with No. 2 because the origin of breast cancer is not well studied and is possible that the main reason of this lies in a powerful unresolved life-conflict (with the exception of genetic or other possible environmental causes). Either the patient will resolve the conflict, either the cancer is back after few years... I only report as a journalist that there are also other opinions regarding the causes and solutions of cancer. Are they proven scientifically ? I don't know. Probably not yet. Are the patient willing to change their lifestyle in order to participate to their own healing ? Probably not... and until this doesn't happen, the system will always have sick people no matter the treatment is offered. There are voices who are against chemo- and radio- but due to the fact the patients are not willing to change their lifestyle, the results are still low, despite the fact that maybe the theory (their theory) is good. I saw that on many documentaries about treating cancer using diet, lifestyle, psychology, classical and alternative medicines, and statistics are maintaining low... maybe those involving severe low protein diet treatment are the highest among those low statistics. More education is needed and changing the lifestyle of the new healthy generation if they wish to remain healthy. But every individual decides for himself (herself). If someone wish to create bad habits, bad attitudes and live with them, then ultimately no treatment is to be blamed, but the patient for choosing the wrong way in life. Is cancer preventable ? I believe so, yes. It should be at least in a major percentage. So, I'd rather focus on prevention based on education and doing yoga and/or meditation while being healthy. But such a program needs costs also.
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

"The two-fold dimensions of Yoga are 'Concentration'/'Meditation' and 'Silencing and mastery over the mind'. According to Upanishads, Integrated Yoga can practically be explained through 'Pancha Koshas' (i.e. Annamaya, Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vijnanamaya and Anandamaya) and can be applied to solve problems of our high-tech society. Scientific Researches done in VYASA have produced enough evidence for the use

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of Yoga as a safe and effective adjunct in the treatment of diseases. (Dr. H.R.Nagendra, Vice-Chancellor, Swami Vivekananda Yoga Anusandhana Sansthana, Bangalore, India)"
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naresh kumar Sood · Sciences University

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Yes Friends, Yoga is good, but it's only one kind of meditation, which for most practicals also includes light exercise. We should look into other meditation practices too and broaden our horizon of study design.
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Joseph Bird · University of Cambridge Cancer is the result of a number of specific DNA mutations or alterations. How will meditation prevent or reverse these mutations? What biological mechanism are you proposing? What epidemiological evidence is there that the practice of meditation alters the incidence of cancer?
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Matthias Schaefer · Dear Joseph,

18.58 · Deutsches Krebsforschungszentrum

I felt like you a couple of days ago and posted some cautious replies and questions to the earlier threads of this discussion. The response from the main participants of the group of was not encouraging. Questions were rather ignored by complementing their validity. An interesting approach, which won't answer the original question whether "meditation can combat the onset of malignancy". My advice: consider this to be a forum of philosophic opinions but not a serious scientific discussion.
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Muresanu Cristian ·

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We can analyze a few assumptions regarding the occurrence of cancer. Case 1 If we believe this condition has a cause based on a powerful conflict (simultaneously on the mind-brain-organs), and if this conflict is very dramatic, acute and the person is caught in isolation at that time, then one theory said that this situation may favor the trigger of a biological program which alters the DNA of the cells of the certain program. If this is the case, then the reverse of this situation is solving the conflict and let the body trigger another biological program to repair the affected organ. Still there will be unexplained cases and in many situations the tumors might threatening the patient's life, case in which urgent surgery is recommended. Case 2 If we believe cancer is a random manifested disease, then it will never be treated and no cure will ever be available, simply because we cannot have solutions for random events which do not have an identifiable cause. I am not saying, this is true,... I am only theorizing about. Case 3 If we believe cancer has a psychological cause, then obviously the reverse positive attitudes might reverse the disease, if the patient still has enough time remained. But there are very few fortunate cases and statistically they cannot sustain this theory either. Many cancer patients who are changing their lifestyle and diet are still dying of cancer.

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Case 4 If we believe cancer might be also genetically determined and if someone has a clear genetic predisposition to cancer, then another mechanism is triggering the gene activation, because we already know that genes cannot self-activate. A protein is receiving a "signal" or whatever ... and execute a conformation movement. Then the cancer gene is being read and thus the disease is starting. In this case, a reversal of this might be done using a similar mechanism to inactivate the gene by creating a new protein which then is reattaching back. Case 5 Explaining cancer at little babies is even more difficult... if none of the above 4 situations presented are involved. How can we deal with that ? We need a new way of thinking the medical science in order to deeply understand the causes of cancer and the possible cures. In my opinion, more and more signals from scientific community indicate that life conflicts, either they are psychological, or mind-brain-organs dramatic, acute and isolating syndromes that one may experience, ... well they ARE AMONG THE MAIN CAUSES OF CANCER. Unfortunately they still cannot explain all possible cases, or at least we don't know if this is true in all cases. This means, there are still unknown causes. If we are all co-creating together and discussing all possible ideas and theories, maybe we can find more about and this thing is already happening. I am confident in the power of science and knowledge that one day we will make a big step forward in this regard. I feel that all the opinions expressed here might bring a little clue in this puzzle, no matter they are scientific, less scientific, esoteric, or whatever. Even more, we would need testimonials from all those who had cured the disease and their practical observations and explanations.
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Dr. Zuzanna Moore · Dear Didier Jambou,

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Precisely my point! I believe that a strict adherence to double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled methods hurts science of medicine and it is maintained primarily for the benefit of pharmaceutical industry. Medicine is an art as well as it is a science. It draws, and needs to continue to do so, from the richness of human cultures, ethnic customs and beliefs. Should we discard it because we can not provide the proof with accepted and available methods? Is this too philosophical of a question to be asked by scientists? What about observation/discovery type of approach and inductive reasoning? Observation and data analysis can be fundamental to our understanding of mind-body interactions.
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Didier Jambou · Dear Zuzanna,

78.09 · Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis-

Faculty of Medicine and Hospitals Thank you for your consideration. Experimental methods used in sciences can also be applied to that could be , in apparence, knowledge fields less "scientific". And then, we can also considered that data not demonstrated at a certain time, could be proven perhaps 50 years in the future (it was the case in the past). And often, our brain and mind is too limitated to analyse or explain some phenomena, even if they really exist (if we consider a reality existing

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independently of the observer; but that' a philosophical consideration debated by the correspnding expert: philisophists) In example, my brain has rathersome difficulties to understand the possibility exposed in quantic physic, now possibly being demonstrated, and by passing Heisenberg's principle (impossible to know at the same time positon and speed of a particle) that a particle can be at the same time in two different positions of the space (in general in mirror, with an inverted spin) = correspond to ubiquity, isn't it ? So, is it more incomprehensible for us to think that "mind" can act on matter: what is mind ? and what is matter in a quantic universe ? (as equivalent to pure energy) , or more strange in a 7-dimensions universe like in string theory. For me, the essential in sciences is not to accept some facts without proof and rigourous analysis, but also not to exclude any possibility of interpreation of a phenomena . Isnt' it written "interpretation" ? Yes, because it's a term that we often use: as "interpretation of an experiment" used instead of " proofs of an experiment". If interpretation ie is accepted by the way of statistic tests, so, it refers to a referential that can change. Best regards Didier J
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Anirudh Kumar Satsangi ·

75.09 · Dayalbagh Educational Institute

Joseph: "Cancer is the result of a number of specific DNA mutations or alterations. How will meditation prevent or reverse these mutations? " Very good question. Our behaviour pattern can change our genetics. Do you agree? Practice of meditation and yoga and other exercises should be an integral part of our Life Style. Such practices can certainly alter DNA mutation under discussion.
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Larry Carlson ·

41.69 · United Tribes Technical College:

Meditation may be effective for a variety of reasons (the benefits of focusing one's consciousness on a particular area of the body, developing a more positive attitude, focusing on changing one's lifestyle, etc. . But I think that it is important that we don't throw them all in the same basket. Whether focusing our consciousness in various ways on specific brain and somatic areas can cause changes in DNA, cancerous cell growth, energy levels is a wide open and interesting field, perhaps reminiscent of the study of chakras.
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