Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 2.3.

1-3 Los Angeles, May 22, 1972

Prabhupāda: Where is Pradyumna? Book? Begin. Karandhara: Rāmeśvara? Pradyumna: Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. (leads chanting) śrī-śuka uvāca evam etan nigaditaṁ pṛṣṭavān yad bhavān mama nṛṇāṁ yan mriyamāṇānāṁ manuṣyeṣu manīṣiṇām [SB 2.3.1] brahma-varcasa-kāmas tu yajeta brahmaṇaḥ patim indram indriya-kāmas tu prajā-kāmaḥ prajāpatīn [SB 2.3.2] devīṁ māyāṁ tu śrī-kāmas tejas-kāmo vibhāvasum vasu-kāmo vasūn rudrān vīrya-kāmo 'tha vīryavān [SB 2.3.3] Prabhupāda: So, anyone else? That's all right. So in this way, if you chant ten ti mes, you'll get it by heart. It is not difficult. So we are giving this diacriti c mark, English transliteration, only for this purpose—so that you can chant, you can vibrate these mantras. So practice. Here you hear, and in your leisure time, you practice. If you chant these mantras anywhere, you'll be honored. Sanskrit language is so nice. And direction, everything is there: purport, word meaning, and translation. So we are taking so much trouble in writing books not for simpl y making market. It is for you to read. Not that simply we go and sell books, an d that ... If the customer says, "You read it first of all," then what you will say? You'll say, "No, I cannot read. I can sell only." (laughter) (Prabhupāda laug hs.) Then what will be your position, if you say like that? "I can sell; I canno t read." Anyway, then? Word meanings? (Pradyumna reads synonyms.) So these are kām a, these material desires. Somebody is wanting wealth, somebody is wanting beauty, somebody is wanting stre ngth, somebody something else. All these are...the beginning from brahma-varcasa -kāmas tu. And ultimately, they want to merge into the brahmajyoti. So up to that point, everything that we want—that is material—and that is lust. Therefore it is sa id kāma. The...just the opposite word of kāma is prema, love.

So in the material world there cannot be prema. Prema means love. The prema is o nly possible in the spiritual world. Here, what is going on as love, that is not love, that is lust. A boy loves a girl, a girl loves a boy. That is not love, t hat is lust. As soon as there is some disturbance in lusty affair, they divorce. So therefore that is not love. So we should note it, that so-called love is bog us in this material world. Love cannot be possible. This very word love, prema, is specially reserved for Kṛṣṇa. Premā pum-artho mahān. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's preac ing, that the highest perfection of life is to evoke one's dormant love for Kṛṣṇa. The love is there. It is reserved for Kṛṣṇa, but due to our foolishness, we are distri

buting that love in so many ways, up to the dog. This is called illusion. We do not know where to apply love. If you see, all these words is touched with the wo rd kāma, kāma. Kāma means lust. There is no question of love. And love ... Prema and kām a is described in Caitanya-caritāmṛta. What is prema and what is... prema and kāma. Ātme ndriya-prīti-vāñchā tāra bali kāma [Cc. Ādi 4.165]. Kāma. What is lust? Ātmendriya-prīti, t one's own senses. That is kāma. Here, a boy and girl love. They say "love," but n o, it is not love. The boy wants to satisfy his senses, and the girl wants to sa tisfy her senses. That's all. Therefore, ātmendriya-prīti-vāñchā. Everyone is trying to sa tisfy her own senses. That is kāma. Lust. And then, what is prema? Kṛṣṇendriya-prīti-icchā hare prema nāma. When the same propensity is transferred for satisfying Kṛṣṇa's senses.. . just like gopīs.

The superexcellence of gopīs is due that they wanted to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. They dressed very nicely because they thought that "Kṛṣṇa become very pleased seeing us nicely dressed. " Not that ... In this material world, a woman or a girl dress very nicely just to attract the opposite sex for his sense gratification. That's all. So everyone , all this description is given there: brahma-varcasa-kāma, vīrya-kāma, then vasu-kāma. Devīṁ māyāṁ tu śrī-kāmaḥ. Śrī. (aside) You can stand near the wall. Others may not... Śrī m the Durgā-pūjā, Devī-pūjā, they ask... After offering Mother Durgā all sorts of parapherna , then they puṣpāñjali, they pray favor, dhanaṁ dehi rūpaṁ dehi balaṁ dehi. Dehi dehi. Dehi ans "give me." After pūjā... Therefore it is called pūjā. Pūjā, just like in business circl , if you want to take some business from a big merchant, so you satisfy him, fla tter him, and sometimes invite him in hotel and give him nice dinner.

In this way, after he is satisfied, "Sir, if you kindly give me this contract." (laughter) "Or if you give me this post." The ultimate aim is his post and contr act, not to satisfy the person. No. He's spending some money for his own sense g ratification. Similarly, all these pūjās... The demigod pūjā, that is for his sense grat ification. That's all. Kṛṣṇa, therefore, condemns this: kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānā yajante -devatāḥ [Bg. 7.20]. This very kāma. These words, kāma, kāmas, kāma, kāma. So Kṛṣṇa also sa you won't find any difference between Bhagavad-gītā , or Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, or any Vedic l iterature. It is to be understood through proper channels. So all these kāmas have been condemned by Kṛṣṇa. Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānā yajante anya-devatāḥ. The persons who rship other demigods like Devī, Māyā, Durgā, Śiva, or Indra, Candra, so many ... There are 33, I mean to say, crores. One crore equal to? Devotee: Ten million.

Prabhupāda: Ten million, and thirty-three. Just see. There are so many demigods, a nd so many desires also. So they are not prohibited. Everything is there in the Bhāgavata, that "If you want this particular..." Kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ yajanta iha de is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: "Those who want quick success in fulfilling some ma terial desires, they worship the demigods." The Māyāvādī, Shankarites, they have made a hodgepodge. They have made so much blunder in understanding the Vedic conclusion . Misleading, simply. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu has especially warned that "An yone who hears about the Māyāvāda commentation, he's doomed. He's gone forever, lost." He will have no understanding, either this way or that. The Vedas, they give us information of the demigods, but they are not imagination. And neither Kṛṣṇa is imagi nation. The Bhāgavata is giving this direction; Bhāgavata means Vyāsadeva is giving di rection that "If you want this profit, then worship this demigod."

So he's playing childish, foolish things? He's giving some wrong information? Im agination? What business he has got to do that? But these Māyāvādī rascals will say that "the demigods are also māyā, Kṛṣṇa is also māyā, everything is māyā." Therefore we call th erything māyā. Kṛṣṇa-bhakti is māyā. They say it is good for raising oneself to the platfor f impersonalism. Their process is that you, if you want to go higher platform, y ou take one staircase and get on it, and then throw it away. Because you don't r equire to come down again. That is their philosophy. So you take any means, the Ramakrishna Mission also says like that. Yata mata tata patha. "You can worship brahma-varcasa, you can worship Devī-māyā; you can worship Vasūn; you can worship Rudra;

you can worship anyone; ultimately, you become one with the Supreme." Most misg uiding. Here it is... But if you want this particular thing, then you worship th is. In the Bhagavad-gītā also, it is confirmed, yānti deva-vratā devān pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vra 9.25].

Demigod worshipers will go to the demigods. There are different planets, 33 cror es of demigods, and there are thirty-three crores of planets also. The moon plan et, according to Vedic literature, that is also one of the planets belonging to the demigod Candra. It is one of the higher planets. So this is the list. If you want something particular... if you want to merge into the effulgence, brahmajy oti, then you worship... Yajeta brahmaṇaḥ patim. Brahmaṇaḥ. Brahmaṇaḥ means also Vedas, śab brahma. Tene brahma hṛdā, in the Bhāgavata, beginning. Brahma means this sound, transc endental sound of knowledge. That is Veda. So there is Upaniṣad. So Upaniṣad, they g enerally, those who are scholars in Upaniṣad, they want to become one with the... So that is not a very difficult thing. Anyone can do that. There is a process, b ut we Vaiṣṇavas, we do not accept that suicidal policy. We want to keep our individu ality, not merge. We don't want to finish our identity.

Our real identity is eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa [Cc. Ma .108-109]. So we want to keep that identity, and we want to serve Him eternally. Eternally means, now we are in this material world, we are being trained up how to serve Kṛṣṇa. This Deity worship—this is training. The same thing will continue when you go to Vaikuṇṭha or Vṛndāvana. The same way we shall personally serve. Here, Kṛṣṇa... Th is also personally. But due to my imperfectness, I cannot see Kṛṣṇa in His actual spir itual form, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1]. Therefore Kṛṣṇa has assumed a form which y ou can approach. It is for your facility. And Kṛṣṇa, in any form He appears, He is tra nscendental. Either this form or that form. Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ [ hya 17.133]. Everything. That is Kṛṣṇa's specialty. He can appear... Just like if you have got a photograph of some of your friend, so you cannot derive the benefit o f directly meeting him. But in Kṛṣṇa's form, if you have a Kṛṣṇa's photograph, it is as goo as Kṛṣṇa.

That is the difference. You can get the same benefit from the photograph picture of Kṛṣṇa as you get benefit by directly meeting Him. Therefore, meeting this photogra ph Deity of Kṛṣṇa is as good as Kṛṣṇa. Advaya-jñāna, nonduality. Here in this material worl re is duality, but in the spiritual world, there is no such duality. Brahma-varc asa-kāmas tu yajeta brahmaṇaḥ patim, indram, indram indriya-kāmaḥ. Indriya means senses. T hose who are too much lusty satisfy simply... The most important indriya is the genital, sex. So for them, it is recommended that "You worship Indra." Indra, th e demigod, he is number one sexually inclined demigod. He has got eyes, eyes ove r all his body. Śata-cakṣuṁṣi. These eyes were originally vagina. He was cursed by Gauta ma Muni that "You are so fond of vagina that I curse you that you get all over y our body vagina only." Then, when he surrendered, he began to cry that "It will be very much, I mean to say, abominable for me." Then he asked, offered, that "These vagina may be turned into eyes." Therefore h is body is full of eyes. Śata-cakṣuṁṣi. So those who are too much lusty, lover of the va gina, they may worship Indra. This is the recommendation. Everything is there. I f you want vagina instead of Kṛṣṇa, all right, do it. You have it. So unfortunately, i f our student falls a victim of vagina instead of Kṛṣṇa, that is very regrettable. The n better he worship, instead of Kṛṣṇa, let him worship Indra. That is the Bhāgavata dire ction. Indram indriya-kāmas tu prajā-kāmaḥ prajāpatīn. Prajā, many children, dynasty. Just e aristocratic family. One is working very hard to establish a family. In Englan d, it is very prominent, "Lord family, Duke family." And where the rascal is goi ng himself, he does not know. But he's establishing a family, Lord family. Prajā-kām aḥ. People want that son, grandson, great grandson, his son, his son, the family w ill be filled up with so many ... In India especially, the karmīs, they want like that.

Śry-aiśvarya-prajepsavaḥ. Śrī, beauty, beautiful women. Śrī, aiśvarya, wealth, and prajā. P

s many children. They are spending their whole time earning money, amass money, huge bank balance. Then his sons are married, the same thing. He begotten so man y children by sex. So he's giving indulgence to his sons, "All right, you also t ake this sex indulgence and produce many children." Prajepsavaḥ. And then, grandch ildren are also, "You also take another. You also produce children." So they are called prajepsavaḥ. They want, they are happy to see that he has got many childre n. Just like Dhṛtarāṣṭra. He has got... He had hundred sons, and the hundred sons had an other hundred sons. So he was after "How this kingdom should be mine, sons' land ?" That is the cause of Kurukṣetra war. So prajepsavaḥ, prajā-kāmaḥ. So...so there are so many kāmas, desires. Different people, different kāma. Therefore they are all hṛta-jñānāḥ. one who is impeded by this kāmas, they are less interested [intelligent].

Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg. 7.20]. Hṛta-jñāna means one who has lost intelligence. Th captivated by this kind of lusty things. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham [S B 7.9.45]. Prajā-kāmaḥ, those who want children, great-grandchildren... In Bengali the re is a proverb, nāti nāti svarge vati(?). Nāti means grandson, and grandson's grandso n. Therefore, "I am living, my son is living, my grandson is living, his son is living, his son is living," in this way, up to seventh generation, if one sees, then immediately he goes to heaven. These are the conception of the materialisti c person, that "If I can see a grandson of a grandson, then my life is successfu l." (laughter) And he's working hard for that purpose. They are called prajā-kāmaḥ. Pr ajā means many sons in the family. That is considered very aristocrat. Prajā-kāmaḥ prajāpa tīn. Devīṁ māyāṁ tu śrī-kāmaḥ. Śrī means beauty. If you want to become very beautiful, eith an, then you worship Durgā. Sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktiḥ.

Tejas-kāmo vibhāvasum. Vibhāvasum. There are Vasus, eight kinds of Vasus. So you can w orship one of the Vasus. If you want to be very influential person, like Mr. Nix on, then you worship Vibhāvasum. Vasu-kāmo vasūn rudrān. Vasu means "wealth." If you wan t wealth, riches. So list is there, but Kṛṣṇa says, "This will not make you happy, My dear friend. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. You kick off all his nonsense! You just surrender unto Me." That is Kṛṣṇa's instruction. Sarva-dharmān pa rityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Because He's the Supreme, He's giving supreme advice. But there are other persons. To regulate them... Because... These they are called yajñas. Saha-yajñāḥ prajāḥ sṛṣṭvā. There is little touch of d evotion, indirectl e if you want to worship Indra, you must worship at the same time Nārāyaṇa. That is th e system. Nārāyaṇa-śilā will be there. Because the benediction you want from the particula r type of demigod, he cannot give independently.

When he takes permission from Nārāyaṇa, that "He is after this benediction from me, an d he's worshiping me. So shall I give him this benediction?" So with His order . .. Because, after all, īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1], everything means Kṛṣṇa's prope Suppose somebody is cashier in our institution. He's getting a thousands of dol lars in his custody. So he cannot distribute without being sanctioned. That is n ot good. So he must take the superior sanction, that "Shall I give him?" Similar ly, all these demigods, they cannot give you anything directly. With the permiss ion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead ... Mayaiva vihitān hi tān. That benefit w hich they derive from the demigod, that is ordained by Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa says. When the demigod ppeals to Kṛṣṇa that "This person is hankering after this thing, and he's worshiping m e," so just to keep the position of the demigod, Kṛṣṇa says "All right, give him." Bec ause the demigods are servant of Kṛṣṇa. So one has approached the servant of Kṛṣṇa. To keep the position of the servant, Kṛṣṇa orders, "Yes, you give." Just like Hiraṇyakaśip u. Hiraṇyakaśipu took benediction from Brahmā. So many things. "I shall not die at day time, I shall not die at night, I shall not die on land, I shall not die on wate r." In this way, all definitions by negation. Brahmā said, "Yes." Now, to keep the words of Brahmā, Kṛṣṇa is so kind... Brahmā is servant. He appeared in such a way that al l the prayers of Hiraṇyakaśipu was not touched. Hiraṇyakaśipu said that "I shall not die by any man or any animal or any demigod." So He appeared in Nṛsiṁha-mūrti, who is nei ther animal nor man nor demigod. You cannot define. Then Hiraṇyakaśipu prayed for th at "I shall not die in daytime, at night." Yes. So Hiraṇyakaśipu was killed in the s

andhyā, between the junction of day and night. Just in the evening. You cannot say it is day, neither it is night. In this way, Kṛṣṇa kept all the words of Brahmā, and st ill killed him. That is Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa. ntelligent. He also cheat you u cannot excel s is Kṛṣṇa. So

That you may be very intelligent to avoid Kṛṣṇa or the laws of Kṛṣṇa, but Kṛ will also cheat you. Because you wanted to cheat Him, so He will in such a way that (is) beyond your imagination. Yes. That is Kṛṣṇa. Yo Kṛṣṇa. You have to be always under Him, even your cheating process. Thi take shelter of Kṛṣṇa and be happy. Thank you. (end)

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