22nd December 2011 username time

National Curriculum Review Discussion status It's 8pm @NightZooKeeper & @EThinking are helping with #ukedchat this evening. Discussion about #natcur review http://t.co/mQpl0dCs Please remember to include #ukedchat in all your tweets, so they can all be collected for the archive. #ukedchat - xmas hols and I am reading the natcur review! #ukedchat #natcur well I have to say that I welcome the review and think its conclusions are sensible RT @ethinking: #ukedchat #natcur it's 8 o'clock it's two days before Xmas and what are we doing??? Discussing work #whatmakesteachersgreat #ukedchat #natcur it's 8 o'clock it's two days before Xmas and what are we doing??? Discussing work #whatmakesteachersgreat #ukedchat Twitter has certainly given educators quick access to the documentation and a number of summaries Will shortening key stages encourage more standardized testing? #ukedchat @reallara Not a realistic aim or sensible advice. #ukedchat Oh dear. Chelsea v Spurs I'm afraid will have to take prime attention spot over #ukedchat tonight. #cmonchels Not moving class on until all have understood... How would that work? How would it be defined? #ukedchat Hi pleased to take part in first #ukedchat. The #natcur interesting but we do need a NC post 14?

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bevevans22 reallara nightzookeeper

20:04 I think people should crowdsource their own #natcurric #ukedchat @simcloughlin @reallara Agreed. Not a sensible approach at all. A bit like holding children back which I remember years ago 20:04 #ukedchat @ethinking It will be interesting to see if the implementation will 20:04 be sensible #ukedchat 20:04 @clairegowland that's commitment to teaching! #ukedchat @reallara #ukedchat I agree. How would g and t exceed under this regime? Or those at other end of scale would be rushed. @jimpknight Welcome to #ukedchat - hope you enjoy it! @reallara #ukedchat Levels that aren't levels and parental consultation? Ooh I'm on Twitter! RT @jodieworld: @ethinking Bon soir DelBoy! #ukedchat Ooh I'm on Twitter! RT @jodieworld: @ethinking But it's been making me laugh! Good old DelBoy! #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: I think people should crowdsource their own #natcurric #ukedchat - agreed. Great idea all round :)

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20:05 @nightzookeeper well I have one eye on the footie. #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion “@nightzookeeper: Will shortening key stages encourage more standardized testing? #ukedchat― << Yes, without doubt. A Y4 20:05 SAT will emerge. 20:05 RT @TeacherToolkit: The 5 minute lesson plan #UKEdChat Is the idea not that students will not move onto they are ready for the next 'level'? (whatever that means) #ukedchat @jimpknight #natcur #ukedchat The curric post 14 is defined by the exams - no need at all RT @alecwaters: Scary:@Bdunford: Before #ukedchat kicks off, here are a few thoughts of a secondary ICT teacher on the #natcur review: http://t.co/wfAZBQws― @simcloughlin Not while class defined as all those who were born within a given 365 day period regardless of readiness for school #ukedchat Bit of an insult by x4 experts to label National Curriculum subjects as 'basic!' @simonhaughton @simcloughlin definitely a negative move in my opinion, think we should move away from the key stage approach #ukedchat @TeacherToolkit @educationgovuk The nomenclature is a piece of sophistry not based in research- we need action research in schools #ukedchat Quite like how the review could enable a different view on #assessment in #ict #ukedchat #talkictglos @bevevans22 thanks Bev - will be juggling tweeting and cooking #ukedchat @simonhaughton To allow for further consultation with eductionalists. May help prevent Gove getting his own way #ukedchat #ukedchat not moving on, with truely integrated classes/embracing wide range of SEN, it cannot work RT @eyebeams: I think people should crowdsource their own #natcurric #ukedchat I must admit that although I will be trying to keep as much of an eye as possible on #ukedchat, @lorrainepascale is grabbing my attention.

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Teaching_LMP ethinking

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nightzookeeper lisibo

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#ukedchat how would removing the structure from a subject based 20:07 curriculum effect learning? Do some ch rely on a structure? RT @eyebeams: I think people should crowdsource their own 20:08 #natcurric #ukedchat @ethinking @jimpknight #natcur #ukedchat post 16 totally dominated by exam boards; limits also due to lack of time to teach 20:08 longer texts @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at 16s to free up 1420:08 19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat 20:08 @jimpknight welcome to #ukedchat thanks for joining

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @gsussex Maybe that is the plan. Maybe inclusion in classrooms as we know it (and it's not always great now) will be pushed aside 20:08 #ukedchat But then I teach 'Yr 9' work at a 'Yr 7' level because that is the level the students are working. Do years really mean anything? 20:08 #ukedchat @simcloughlin @nightzookeeper Although if the concept of levels 20:08 for assessment changes then might all look different #ukedchat #ukedchat tonight talking about the #natcur review. Guest 20:08 appearance @jimpknight Very welcome indeed. Lifelong learning should mean benchmarks are not lineated by age 20:09 #ukedchat @bevevans22 @gsussex I hope so. Inclusion is no excuse for 20:09 teaching to the lowest common denominator. #ukedchat @jimpknight Fun. If it gets busy you might find it easier to follow 20:09 on twitterfall #ukedchat - I suggest it to all newbies... @jimpknight @ethinking Would that devalue the GCSEs that people already have, then? Nice idea in theory, but practical? 20:09 #ukedchat Still not convinced about putting ICT in as a basic subject. Where is 20:09 the consistency in teaching? #natcur #ukedchat @chrisrat I agree - with network meetings a thing of the past this 20:10 has become more challenging already! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @gsussex Done properly that is not how inclusion works. Certainly never the case with me - high expectations for all 20:10 #ukedchat 20:10 RT @TeacherToolkit: The 5 minute lesson plan #UKEdChat #ukedchat Here are my (initial) personal thoughts on the review: 20:10 http://t.co/zfSZpKWt #ukedchat I am concerned splitting KS2 into 2 x 2 years may restrict 20:10 what is taught when/give less flexibility RT @lauwailap1: RT @TeacherToolkit: The 5 minute lesson plan 20:10 #UKEdChat - COol. Thanks for that. RT @ethinking: #ukedchat #natcur it's 8 o'clock it's two days before Xmas and what are we doing??? Discussing work 20:10 #whatmakesteachersgreat @reallara @simcloughlin how would you see levels changing? Shall 20:10 we move away from leveling children? #ukedchat if teaching of 'basic' curriculum subjects was not prescribed would 20:10 it cause some teachers to stay in their comfort zone? #ukedchat @Teaching_LMP #ukedchat I agree. In SEN actual yrs count for nothing. We teach the KS they are in at 1 or 2 KS levels below. 20:11 Works ok @4ICT #ukedchat less reporting for ICT you say! Merry Christmas! 20:11 :0) Page 3 of 35

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cherrylkd clairegowland

22nd December 2011

National Curriculum Review Discussion @mattbritland @alecwaters It's almost saying ICT & D&T is not as important as Art, MFL & Humanities. Upsetting as an ICT teacher. 20:11 #ukedchat @alecwaters That should be an issue for individual school leadership surely? As a leader I would welcome that kind if 20:11 flexibility #ukedchat @jimpknight #ukedchat If we abandon gcse it shouldn't be to allow 20:11 kids to be pushed into narrow career silos @gsussex Haven't most schools already split KS2 anyway? I've seen 20:11 lots of jobs for LKS2 Co-ord or UKS2 Co-ord. #ukedchat RT @jimpknight: @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at 20:11 16s to free up 14-19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat RT @jimpknight: @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at 16s to free up 14-19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @reallara @simcloughlin Yes I see this as a positive IF 'next steps' are used effectively #ukedchat RT @simcloughlin: #ukedchat Here are my (initial) personal thoughts on the review: http://t.co/zfSZpKWt @alecwaters Did I interpret the #natcurric review correctly, ICT won't have to report to parents if in Basic curric #talkictglos #ukedchat @jimpknight @ethinking Students already struggle due to the difference between GCSEs and A-level without lowering the bar further. #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 was also invited along to this #ukedchat #natur session @reallara I would embrace the flexibility as well, but not sure all will @4ICT #ukedchat @bevevans22 @gsussex The point is inclusion doesn't work. Nobody can teach below level 3 and A* together effectively #ukedchat

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@Bdunford I think its right to reclassify ICT. I didnt read it as being 20:12 less important, more all encompassing! #ukedchat 20:12 @gsussex #ukedchat doesn't that reflect what many already do tricky... #spoty and #ukedchat on the same night! What Twitter 20:12 was made for... ;) @simcloughlin @ethinking Could have fewer GCSEs at 14 - but tempting robust do away with them now you have to stay on post 20:12 16 #ukedchat @jimpknight @ethinking great point, another way of removing the 20:12 focus from teaching to tests instead of skills #ukedchat @nightzookeeper We are not levelling children we are just using 20:12 another bunch of metrics for grouping not learning #ukedchat Page 4 of 35

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eyebeams

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @bevevans22 #ukedchat could lead to some state schools being more selective? Taking options away from some to be with their peers? #ukedchat is #natcur fit for purpose? Sadly more 19thC than 21stC. Lack of ambition very sad and impoverished compared to QCA big picture! @DrSpenny #ukedchat The important thing is that it is not another dumbed-down 20th century curriculum. @jimpknight @ethinking Very good point. Hadn't thought of it like that. #ukedchat #ukedchat Anyone know where I can get a good summary of the structure of ed system in England as it currently is? Thanks in advance @oldandrewuk But why do we still need public exams at 16 - it is out of date #ukedchat @simcloughlin Have you seen my initial thoughts as well? http://t.co/6cgf2RY5 (MFL bias, obvs) #ukedchat #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the academies and free schools are not compelled to follow it? #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the academies and free schools are not compelled to follow it?

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@eyebeams agreed, we need to look closely at this system. 20:13 Children become labelled at a very early age #ukedchat @eyebeams agreed, we need to look closely at this system. 20:13 Children become labelled at a very early age #ukedchat @alecwaters on one hand ICT may look second best / optional and therefore attract little investment in resource and training 20:13 #ukedchat @alecwaters on one hand ICT may look second best / optional and therefore attract little investment in resource and training 20:13 #ukedchat @gsussex #ukedchat That would be my thoughts too. Enforcing 20:13 more segregation... @gsussex #ukedchat That would be my thoughts too. Enforcing 20:13 more segregation... @clairegowland I guess ICT runs the risk of being removed as a seperate subject when put in he same group as Sex Ed and careers? 20:14 #ukedchat How about levels for collaborative learning around competencies 20:14 #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @gsussex Surely it depends on a number of factors: 20:14 appropriate support, class size, differentiation, etc. #ukedchat @ethinking agreed but it fits with UCTs and we desperately need 20:14 some new thinking about 14-19 post-diplomas #ukedchat @valleseco Keeping up with #ukedchat tweets at the mo, but I'll 20:14 have a look afterwards. Page 5 of 35

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Bdunford eyebeams

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jimpknight simcloughlin

22nd December 2011

National Curriculum Review Discussion @chrisrat this would be my worry - you need support from your 20:14 leadership team. #ukedchat @alecwaters on the other hand, allowing it to support teaching of 20:14 other subjects may be the spark ICT needs #ukedchat RT @valleseco: @simcloughlin Have you seen my initial thoughts as 20:14 well? http://t.co/6cgf2RY5 (MFL bias, obvs) #ukedchat RT @Bdunford: @mattbritland @alecwaters It's almost saying ICT & D&T is not as important as Art, MFL & Humanities. Upsetting as 20:15 an ICT teacher. #ukedchat RT @jimpknight: @ethinking agreed but it fits with UCTs and we desperately need some new thinking about 14-19 post-diplomas 20:15 #ukedchat @eyebeams I was very surprised to see that collaborative and independent learning weren't mentioned at all in the review. 20:15 #ukedchat @chrisrat Already trying to do that as I see that an excellent way to demonstrate the sustainability of specialist #ict teaching. 20:15 #ukedchat Build-a-Body human anatomy game now free on iPad http://t.co/qQVHC5wG #edchat #lrnchat #edtech #stem #gbl 20:15 #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the 20:15 academies and free schools are not compelled to follow it? @bevevans22 @gsussex With enough staff, money, time and resources any problem can be worked round. But we shouldn't 20:16 have to. #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @ethinking @jimpknight Careers are changing 20:16 rapidly students need the skills to cope with that #ukedchat RT @jimpknight: @AngusWillson that is the other irony - lots of talk about a NC that won't apply to most schools #ukedchat 20:16 #Goveconfused RT @ethinking: #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the 20:16 academies and free schools are not compelled to follow it? @NightZooKeeper & @EThinking are helping with #ukedchat this evening. Discussion about #natcur review http://t.co/mQpl0dCs @jimpknight #ukedchat Jim does your party agree with review suggestions generally/specifically? #natcur RT @simcloughlin: Today I read most of the National Curriculum Review. Ahead of tonight's #ukedchat, here are some of my initial thoughts http://t.co/zfSZpKWt @alecwaters But moving it down to Basic sends the wrong signal to SMTs.#ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat Inclusion means helping all children 2 achieve the best they can . High 20:16 expectation 4 all is key @AngusWillson that is the other irony - lots of talk about a NC that 20:16 won't apply to most schools #ukedchat #Goveconfused I was wondering this“@ethinking: #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the academies and free schools are not compelled to 20:16 follow it?― @eyebeams Trying to level competences and plts type things is a 20:16 nightmare! #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @DrSpenny #ukedchat The important thing is 20:17 that it is not another dumbed-down 20th century curriculum. RT @bevevans22: @oldandrewuk @gsussex Surely it depends on a number of factors: appropriate support, class size, differentiation, 20:17 etc. #ukedchat @Teaching_LMP @ethinking in theory though, they wouldn't be that free if they were compelled to follow the #natcur #ukedchat @Lynnewin100 Hopefully more schools then become Academies? #ukedchat Hi! Just trying to see patterns in issues coming up. Key dilemma in review was to lighten requirements whilst retaining breadth. #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 if you put in #ukedchat everyone can pick up your comments @oldandrewuk @gsussex Seeing inclusion as a problem to be worked round probably isn't helping things... #ukedchat @reflectivemaths depends who is doing it and how it is done #ukedchat Could academies eventually be told to sign up to the #natcur in some way? A bit of a waste of time if many are exempt? #ukedchat @jimpknight #ukedchat agreed - most schools will be academy at secondary - so this will be irrelevant anyway RT @Bdunford: @clairegowland I guess ICT runs the risk of being removed as a seperate subject when put in he same group as Sex Ed and careers? #ukedchat @Bdunford @clairegowland huge risk of ICT being lost. Would schools avoid the subject ticking boxes to say they are covering it? #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @ethinking Career choices need hard thinking and urgent fix of IAG #ukedchat @Natty08 @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat you'd be surprised. Some lower ability left to TA in some schools. So wrong. Welcome @Andrewpollard7 to #ukedchat

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chrisrat 4ICT

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National Curriculum Review Discussion #ukedchat @Bdunford @clairegowland again - many schools do ict badly - so what's the point in paying lip service? @nightzookeeper @eyebeams I read this week that schools in Finland don't assess until teen years.They have one of best ed systems #ukedchat @4ICT @alecwaters Why are people accepting this as gospel already what are the alternatives? #ukedchat Agreed! “@4ICT: @alecwaters But moving it down to Basic sends the wrong signal to SMTs.#ukedchat― @cherrylkd @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat In practice, inclusion means letting kids get away with murder and ignoring genuine difficulties. @nightzookeeper #ukedchat @bdunford What school would stop teaching and using technology. Embedding it in curric makes it relevant @SheliBB @eyebeams very interesting, I wonder if you post the link? #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat Inclusion means helping all children 2 achieve the best they can . High expectation 4 all is key @nightzookeeper @eyebeams so maybe we should follow their lead, which could mean our children don't get labelled academically #ukedchat RT @SheliBB: @nightzookeeper @eyebeams I read this week that schools in Finland don't assess until teen years.They have one of best ed systems #ukedchat @jimpknight @gsussex @KevinBrennanMP @StephenTwigg #ukedchat Nothing as far as I have seen which is not good! @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat Better than ignoring problems, or claiming everything is about resources. @4ICT @alecwaters do not like the terminology 'basic' at all! #ukedchat @4ICT @lynnewin100 #ukedchat the subtext of all this lunacy is to drive all schools to be academy @AndrewPollard7 Biggest potential problem is the stuff on assessment. Although it warns against it, this could turn into A.P.P. #ukedchat #ukedchat if ICT wasn't compulsory would it free up ICT staff to teach keener pupils for eg programming which has disappeared in many scls?

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oldandrewuk

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@chrisrat Agreed, although something being "national" but not 20:20 followed by everyone seems counter productive #natcur #ukedchat The prime reason I would go academy is to ignore the #natcur 20:20 edicts based on govian principles #ukedchat There's no point in having a 'National' curriculum while education is 20:20 so politicised. Take the ideology out of learning #ukedchat Page 8 of 35

dockers_hoops

22nd December 2011

National Curriculum Review Discussion @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat You may be talking from 20:20 experience but that's not how I ever found it. @4ICT @alecwaters Maybe the term 'basic' is the issue. Being out 20:20 of prescribed NC could give flexibility to allow change #ukedchat @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex Course inclusion can work for good teachers - maybe @oldandrewuk needs some help 20:20 himself! #ukedchat Get frustrated with this constant comparison with the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our children in our society 20:21 #ukedchat RT @simcloughlin: @eyebeams I was very surprised to see that collaborative and independent learning weren't mentioned at all in 20:21 the review. #ukedchat RT @philallman1: @jimpknight @gsussex @KevinBrennanMP @StephenTwigg #ukedchat Nothing as far as I have seen which is 20:21 not good! <sadly! @AndrewPollard7 breath is very important, which option would 20:21 you favour in respect to the 3 highlighted in the review? #ukedchat RT @reflectivemaths: @eyebeams Trying to level competences and 20:21 plts type things is a nightmare! #ukedchat @4ICT hard for very small schools like mine to academise but 20:21 looking at collaborative options #ukedchat Anyone focused on the suggestions about aims (c2)? Includes citizenship and sustainability among others, + follow ups. 20:21 #ukedchat @ethinking @alecwaters that school will have light touch 20:21 inspections - no compulsion to push ICT at all #ukedchat #natcur 20:21 @SheliBB #ukedchat Check out Finnish Director of the @bevevans Agreed. Inclusion isn't a "problem". It's a reality that 20:21 needs 2 be constantly addressed & provided for #ukedchat PRT @reallara: @4ICT @alecwaters Maybe the term 'basic' is the issue. #ukedchat - I think the choice of word could have been 20:21 better... @bevevans22 @reallara @4ICT @alecwaters Agreed. But ' Basic' 20:22 is in the legislation so not much choice on that one. #ukedchat @MrsThorne do you think Schools would employ ICT teachers if it 20:22 wasn't compulsory/ part of the curriculum? #ukedchat @eyebeams #ukedchat - the idea of crowdsourcing a curriculum is one we looked at for @ON_School - decided to adapt CfE and RSA 20:22 OM @Teaching_LMP #ukedchat I can be useful to know what other 20:22 countries are implementing. Doesn't make it right for the UK Page 9 of 35

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NickiA10

nightzookeeper

oldandrewuk Lynnewin100

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22nd December 2011

National Curriculum Review Discussion @AndrewPollard7 #ukedchat I don't get the lightening requirements - bit like throwing parachute off crashing plane #natcur needed ambition @clairegowland @bdunford certainly does, do you think this would happen on the whole? #ukedchat @Teaching_LMP one of the two has the wrong name! Probably the #natcur #ukedchat RT @jimpknight: @gsussex to be honest not seen what @KevinBrennanMP or @StephenTwigg have said about it #ukedchat < they need to speak out

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#ukedchat I didn't see it as getting rid of ICT, more like making it 20:23 embedded. Isn't that the best way? Teach relevant ICT skills.? @AndrewPollard7 @reallara @4ICT @alecwaters It still makes those subjects sound unimportant though (maybe that's just me...) 20:23 #ukedchat RT @Teaching_LMP: Get frustrated with this constant comparison with the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our 20:23 children in our society #ukedchat RT @Teaching_LMP: Get frustrated with this constant comparison with the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our 20:23 children in our society #ukedchat #ukedchat teaching the children should always be more important 20:23 than the curriculum. Teach them what they need to make progress. #ukedchat teaching the children should always be more important 20:23 than the curriculum. Teach them what they need to make progress. @SheliBB @nightzookeeper @eyebeams The whole Finland thing is part of massive cultural difference #ukedchat #ukedchat @chrisrat @alecwaters we may see more truth, less money wasted... #technologyisnottheonlyway RT @4ICT @chrisrat Litte resource/training from HTs! I'll assume many ICT teachers are v concerned about moving 'down' to Basic #ukedchat @bevevans22 @gsussex I'm glad to say that's pretty much how OFSTED found it in their review. #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @SheliBB http://t.co/eF9tEQHA at Whole Education's conference 2 weeks ago #ukedchat I recorded the video and slides too @nightzookeeper @eyebeams http://t.co/2NUo15L0 26 facts about ed system in Finland #ukedchat RT @Teaching_LMP: Get frustrated with this constant comparison with the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our children in our society #ukedchat RT @clairegowland: #ukedchat I didn't see it as getting rid of ICT, more like making it embedded. Isn't that the best way? Teach relevant ICT skills.?

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @chrisrat @4ICT I bet they are as how many would employ ICT 20:24 teachers to actually teach it?! #ukedchat #ukedchat is the aim 2 embed ICT throughout? Therefore less 20:24 reporting as a discrete subject? That would be sensible @Teaching_LMP Absolutely. That was my main reaction yesterday. We need a curriculum appropriate to our children and context 20:24 #ukedchat @Teaching_LMP Agree a lot! Cultures and societies are different. Hard to compare. Learn from best but don't copy. Won't work. 20:24 #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @SheliBB All teachers have a masters - they all 20:24 do Action Research #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: @nightzookeeper @SheliBB http://t.co/eF9tEQHA at Whole Education's conference 2 weeks ago #ukedchat I recorded 20:24 the video and slides too I am sure the gov are quite happy to force the last remaining schools to become academies - then we watch the gap widen :-( 20:24 #ukedchat @ethinking @alecwaters it certainly isn't, but it shouldn't be 20:24 ignored #ukedchat #natcur @Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex The whole of SEN policy has been a disaster for a long time now, and it is coming to light 20:24 #ukedchat @SheliBB @eyebeams I am completely against labelling, this is not 20:24 an effective way for ch to become life long learners #ukedchat @aangeli @mrsthorne certainly ICT teachers are becoming more 20:25 vital as the need for PD grows #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: @Teaching_LMP Agree a lot! Cultures and societies are different. Hard to compare. Learn from best but don't 20:25 copy. Won't work. #ukedchat @clairegowland How about work in groups with different experts 20:25 and groups like this > http://t.co/Cwmoxdep #mozfest #ukedchat #ukedchat@chrisrat that's my concern too - already seen as 20:25 expensive and "the kids do it at home" RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching the children should always be more important than the curriculum. Teach them what they 20:25 need to make progress. a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt changes again? 20:25 #ukedchat 20:25 @mikematthewsCDN #ukedchat @MrsThorne #ukedchat Nice idea would probably mean ICT 20:25 teachers have jobs cut and money spent on extra maths teachers RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat is the aim 2 embed ICT throughout? Exactly. Making it relevant for students and not a word processing 20:25 exercise! Page 11 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion 20:25 @bevevans22 I completely agree! #ukedchat #ukedchat ok so we have threads: what's the basic curric mean, 20:26 sustainability of inclusion - push to more age related testing ? No? This is my first #ukedchat and blimey does it get the blood pumping! It's more difficult to keep up with than "that class" RT @jodieworld: I am all for embedding ICT - but for schs where it hasn't happened yet, I worry it never will if pushed down agenda of gov #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 @bevevans22 @reallara @4ICT @alecwaters Could be given clarification titles:e.g.National=prescribed basic=flexible #ukedchat @dawnhallybone We then have another political football arena w/ even more reviews and changes & actually nothing much being done! #ukedchat For ICT it means no prescribed content, but still compulsory as a subject. That means more freedom. Surely that's a good thing? #ukedchat

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I am all for embedding ICT - but for schs where it hasn't happened 20:26 yet, I worry it never will if pushed down agenda of gov #ukedchat @DrSpenny Reducing extent of centralised requirements was a main aim of review to enable professional teacher judgement. 20:26 #ukedchat @jimpknight Have you seen how low standards can get when kids aren't examined in English schools? Look at citizenship or PSHE 20:26 #ukedchat @reflectivemaths I think we're all in danger of that in non-core. I'm 20:26 considering offering my services to the English dept #ukedchat @clairegowland #ukedchat seems the way forward to me. Thanks 4 20:26 RT RT @nightzookeeper: ICT is an important part of contemporary society, so should it be a prominent part of the NC? #ukedchat @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone @jimpknight #ukedchat personally I'd resurrect Sir Jim's work and build on that! @reflectivemaths @nightzookeeper @eyebeams I like their valuesas described in that post-though confess I know very little beyond #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 @DrSpenny Bettwer if there were an aggregated network of teacher action research based on practice I think #ukedchat @reallara @andrewpollard7 @bevevans22 @4ict #ukedchat statutory flexible? RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt changes again? #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @OhLottie http://t.co/wNM0V2wD Is that what you wanted? 20:27 #ukedchat We (ICT teachers) can teach whatever we want, assuming as an 20:27 optimist, that our schools keep us. #ukedchat ICT is an important part of contemporary society, so should it be a 20:27 prominent part of the NC? #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching children should always be more important than curriculum. Teach them what they need to 20:27 make progress. @bevevans22 inclusive classroom brings fear to many teachers as 20:27 no proper training #ukedchat @dawnhallybone #ukedchat Good point! If @jimpknight's party came back into government, would they keep this or change it all 20:27 again? @nightzookeeper @aangeli think it would depend on the skillsets: think a lot of ICT teachers don't have a programming background 20:27 #ukedchat RT @reallara: RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching children should always be more important than curriculum. Teach them 20:28 what they need to make progress. @MrsThorne @aangeli how important is this in your point of view? 20:28 #ukedchat Why does embedding ICT in other subjects mean it can't also be a subject in it's own right? It's a fairly big part of society #ukedchat #ukedchat What are teachers' views on the proposal to force publication of SoWs for parents to scrutinise? @gsussex If recommendation on aims accepted, sustainability provision would be requirement - communicated to parents, inspected. #ukedchat #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 @drspenny so ur saying slimmer curric with room 4 professional judgement? I could deliver it in 60% of my week? @OhLottie. Here's the full NC review: http://t.co/8Wx5NJ2y via this ICT teacher's blog http://t.co/uBEtejUz #ukedchat RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt changes again? #ukedchat @clairegowland yes and in particular embed coding into Maths #ukedchat #ukedchat If a school felt the need to get rid of ICT specialists in the year 2012 when everything is about technology, I would be amazed. RT @Educationchat: @Teaching_LMP Agree a lot! Cultures and societies are different. Hard to compare. Learn from best but don't copy. Won't work. #ukedchat “@Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching the children always more important the curriculum. Teach them what they need 2 make progress.― hear hear Page 13 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion My take is that the move to 'basic' allows HTs to make the decision 20:28 as to IF, HOW LONG and WHAT ICT is in their #ictcurric #ukedchat @aangeli #ukedchat no i don't think so - very worrying - some 20:28 academies already ditched ICT staff RT @jimpknight: @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at 20:28 16s to free up 14-19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat @eyebeams Yep, that's probably true but how would you level how 20:29 creative someone is? #ukedchat we must make sure there is a real curriculum at key stage 4 rather than just a mechanism for assessment professor husbands 20:29 #ukedchat #ukedchat Can see the value of curriculum specified for local 20:29 cirumstances, but it will need external challenge and validation. RT @nightzookeeper: ICT is an important part of contemporary 20:29 society, so should it be a prominent part of the NC? #ukedchat @nightzookeeper We should develop and teach "Social Velcro" around / through the medium of ICT use community and action 20:29 research #ukedchat @philallman1 @jimpknight #ukedchat How do you change the status without identifying and testing a distinct body of 20:29 knowledge? @simcloughlin I think it's imp parents know but danger is they become 'experts' yet again on what should be taught and how. 20:29 #ukedchat @jimpknight @reflectivemaths @nightzookeeper @eyebeams it seems to me that they believe children don't 'grow' by measuring 20:29 them #ukedchat Knowledge is fixed, skills have longevity, reality is current gov want fixed knowledge taught based on own dogma #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: I am all for embedding ICT - but for schs where it hasn't happened yet, I worry it never will if pushed down agenda of gov #ukedchat @HilaryNunns #ukedchat I know. It is one of those things that is absent from training unfortunately @oldandrewuk @educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat Sweeping statement! Not the case for most teachers, certainly not in spec schs @jimpknight @oldandrewuk and exams don't always tell us what a learner knows #ukedchat #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 that's good to hear Andrew, thank you for clarifying @oldandrewuk @jimpknight It isn't the fact they aren't tested it's the fact that in overcrowded curriculum they get squashed out #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion RT @Teaching_LMP: @ethinking Age has so little to do with ability 20:30 #ukedchat - agreed :) @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim down the 20:30 Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat 20:30 @MrsThorne Might be a wise move #ukedchat @debbisimpson my personal thoughts are is not what is in the curriculum that is the problem. It's HOW it's being taught . 20:30 #ukedchat RT @misshbond: RT @philallman1: Knowledge is fixed, skills have longevity, reality is current gov want fixed knowledge taught based 20:30 on own dogma #ukedchat @eyebeams @nightzookeeper and teachers are regarded as highly as doctors... Could that ever happen in the uk? #ukedchat @4ICT That could be good or bad depending on where you are #ukedchat @ethinking Age has so little to do with ability #ukedchat RT @philallman1: Knowledge is fixed, skills have longevity, reality is current gov want fixed knowledge taught based on own dogma #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @jimpknight #ukedchat by moving to a competency based curriculum like Aus, Finland and other lauded nations! @cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat Teachers in special schools are usually the first to object to what's happened.

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@nightzookeeper Absolutely - ICT should be taught discretely as a 20:31 skill and across the curriculum to embed #ukedchat #ukedchat I think 1 good thing to come out of the #natcur mess is that lots of schools have got on and changed curriculum based on 20:31 the kids RT @simcloughlin: #ukedchat What are teachers' views on the 20:31 proposal to force publication of SoWs for parents to scrutinise? RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt 20:31 changes again? #ukedchat RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt 20:31 changes again? #ukedchat @bevevans22 Important role for Teaching Schools here...Not many 20:31 of first 100 have the ICT mark? #ukedchat @HilaryNunns @jimpknight #ukedchat Exams aren't perfect, but provide a minimum. Without them you get lessons in knitting your 20:31 own yoghurt. RT @nightzookeeper: "we must make sure there is a real curriculum at key stage 4 rather than just a mechanism for 20:31 assessment" professor husbands #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @jimpknight @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone A skills focussed 20:31 approach would enable that. #ukedchat @jimpknight @reflectivemaths @shelibb @nightzookeeper @eyebeams hadn't Finland dropped off the Gove agenda, or was 20:31 that Sweden?! #ukedchat @philallman1 @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I completely agree 20:31 #ukedchat @AngusWillson Then aggregate it like external examiners and pump prime it with mentors - much better system than "levellling" 20:31 #ukedchat Should we move towards removing subjects altogether? Would this 20:31 provide a more creative education for all? #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: @nightzookeeper We should develop and teach "Social Velcro" around / through the medium of ICT use community 20:31 and action research #ukedchat 20:32 Don't get me wrong...would love to see it happen! #ukedchat @bobharrisonset @bevevans22 #ukedchat don't schools have to 20:32 buy support from teaching schools? @reallara @jimpknight #ukedchat They take up plenty of time. The problem is they are seen as something any idiot can deliver in any 20:32 way. RT @jimpknight: @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim down the Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat @simcloughlin Oh I missed that bit. That would imply there would need to be SOW in the first place... #ukedchat @simcloughlin Some parents will scrutinise and comment, it would scare me if some of our parents could influence the curriculum. #ukedchat Can't see this happening, "abandoning the system in which children’s attainment is judged by ‘levels’." #ukedchat Huge culture change needed

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20:32 @eyebeams can you define 'social velcro' please? #ukedchat 3 Posts every ICT Co-ordinator should read http://t.co/EZEgYQE1 20:32 via @zite #ukedchat a very nice read RT @jimpknight @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim 20:32 down the Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat @jimpknight @simcloughlin I agree education of children to 20:32 important to be changed every time govt does #ukedchat Hopefully ICT will be changed to compsci rather than removed from the #natcur. It's been in need of change for a long time. 20:32 #ukedchat @clairegowland I mean re: embedding in all subjects. Lots will do it 20:32 well but unfortunately lots won't. As happens now #ukedchat Page 16 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion 20:33 @Teaching_LMP Haha yes…! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk a bit like hoop jumping exams then! @reallara 20:33 @jimpknight #ukedchat @dawnhallybone Are you suggesting schools should be free of political interference? Accountable to parents/children of course. 20:33 #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat the change in assessment is profound - a 20:33 system designed for that will be complex Agreed RT @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper Absolutely- ICT should be taught discretely as a skill & across the curriculum to 20:33 embed #ukedchat @MisiesD It moves the focus away from the qualified teacher being 20:33 the expert. #ukedchat 20:33 @reallara @ethinking @SheliBB @nightzookeeper But one thing shown 2 make difference 2 children's learning is quality of teachers #ukedchat 20:33 http://t.co/QV70uNQH @nightzookeeper That is scarily 'out of the box' thinking! 20:33 #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @educationchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat we want best for all ch. if that means m/stream so be it. Education is 20:33 impt, not school 20:33 @bobharrisonset #ukedchat Really? @nightzookeeper I liked that about the old new curriculum. The one that they chucked out. Wonder how much that cost ... 20:33 #ukedchat @bevevans22 @teaching_lmp @ethinking would you say that 20:33 some subjects are age appropriate? #ukedchat @jodieworld yes, I guess that is the gloomy way to look at it. I saw 20:33 it as an opportunity to get out of my subject confines. #ukedchat @ethinking @drspenny Depends circs but that's aim. Local curriculum to complement #natcur. 'Essential' + 'contextual' 20:33 knowldg. #ukedchat @SheliBB I don't think UK public is likely to regard teachers highly 20:33 when they think it's fine to be bad at maths #ukedchat Sadly prev govt had opportunity to change culture and chose to propagate testing culture instead. Need to learn from mistakes 20:33 #ukedchat #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 did team members visit the international countries ref. in the review to see systems working in 20:34 context? 20:34 @ethinking #ukedchat HUGE investment would be needed for this. @nightzookeeper I would say more topics, rather that subjects. There are some books I wouldn't teach to 11 year olds for example 20:34 #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @nightzookeeper @teaching_lmp @ethinking I just think children learn at different rates dependent on many things #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching the children should always be more important than the curriculum. Teach them what they need to make progress. @nightzookeeper Yes working in collaborative groups with local institutions businesses experts and in longer, slower, deeper ways #ukedchat @norfolkteacher1 agreed, should it be regarded as highly as Maths and English? #ukedchat RT @jimpknight: @oldandrewuk @philallman1 I am willing to be persuaded that some limited exams at 14 are needed to keep momentum #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: Agreed RT @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper Absolutely- ICT should be taught discretely as a skill & across the curriculum to embed #ukedchat @eyebeams Agree but a mentoring system could be expensive and need to show quick results. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @philallman1 I am willing to be persuaded that some limited exams at 14 are needed to keep momentum #ukedchat @philallman1 @jimpknight #ukedchat Like American states in the 1920s? Like British schools in the 1970s? Been tried before and doesn't work. @clairegowland gloomy is not the same as realistic. I visit a lot of schools and see the divide #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @teaching_lmp @ethinking As an example my son was exempt from learning a foreign language due to disabilities 1/2#ukedchat RT “@dawnhallybone: @jimpknight @simcloughlin I agree education of children to important to be changed every time govt does #ukedchat―

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @oldandrewuk @jimpknight #ukedchat not at all. I've never taught 20:35 that :). But I know they don't tell us what the learner knows @jimpknight @philallman1 #ukedchat Testing can go too far (look 20:35 at the US) but exams do make a difference to expectations. 20:35 @Teaching_LMP do you have an opinion on this? #ukedchat @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper That's the idea I think. 20:35 #ukedchat @jimpknight @oldandrewuk #ukedchat not averse 2 examination just need 2 B PART of process not meaningless destinations in 20:35 learning journey @eylanezekiel should be about accountability to community - can see 'some' need for involvement but not at detriment of ed 20:35 #ukedchat @eyebeams @ethinking But SMT's like to think/know they are 20:36 doing it correctly. They need permission (or a scheme!) #ukedchat @NickiA10 But lack of basic literacy and numeracy skills has also been highlighted. Likely to lose those between 14 and 18? 20:36 #ukedchat @jodieworld: #ukedchat It must be a primary thing, I see amazing uses of technology and teaching of ICT in secondary schools. Completely forgot about #ukedchat tonight. Flicking through looks like a good one and right up my ICT street. RT @cherrylkd: RT “@dawnhallybone: @jimpknight @simcloughlin I agree education of children to important to be changed every time govt does #ukedchat― RT @timbuckteeth: RT @jimpknight @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim down the Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat

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@nightzookeeper @teaching_lmp @ethinking #ukedchat but was 20:36 able to do so later, when he was ready for the challenge :) @cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat Inclusion 20:36 wasn't "mainstream if best" it was "mainstream or else". @norfolkteacher1 #ukedchat which is what should be happening 20:36 now and brilliantly is, in a few cases, but sadly not enough @nightzookeeper Thematic learning wld liberate thinking about learning /education from childrens, teachers and parents' 20:36 viewpoints.#ukedchat 20:36 @eylanezekiel not that would get my 'vote' #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: Agreed RT @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper Absolutely- ICT should be taught discretely as a skill & across the 20:36 curriculum to embed #ukedchat Page 19 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion RT @philallman1: As I say to parents. 'I've yet to hear of any1 being asked at interview what they got in their KS2 SATs' #ukedchat @SheliBB @nightzookeeper I ever did was make my son curious and love learning - it's about culture #ukedchat @simcloughlin Then we ensure that a skills cur enables those essential skills to be part of it but provide what students need #ukedchat @jimpknight @oldandrewuk External exams, esp early entries moderate achievements from both children and teachers perspectives. #ukedchat RT @clairegowland: @jodieworld: #ukedchat It must be a primary thing, I see amazing uses of technology and teaching of ICT in secondary schools. @oldandrewuk @cherrylkd @educationchat Do you have anything constructive to say on inclusion at all? It would seem not...#ukedchat @ICTwitz Review says KS2 testing should continue, as per the Bew report. #ukedchat #ukedchat Scottish Curric for Excellence is 3 -18! @Teaching_LMP abolishing subjects, completely creative approach? #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @jimpknight despite lack of aspiration-would be good to have cross party commit to process of continuous improvement for 20:38 #natcur #ukedchat If everyone has to stay in education till 19, what's the point of 20:38 having major exams at 16? #ukedchat @gsussex No visits. Most internat research done by DfE team with advice from EP. But extensive int networks & previous visits. 20:38 #ukedchat @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Scary prospect is that we move back to a completely content driven cur not skills #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: @oldandrewuk @cherrylkd @educationchat Do you have anything constructive to say on inclusion at all? It would seem not...#ukedchat RT @GiftedPhoenix: Ahead of #ukedchat read my robust critique of the Expert Panel Report, especially Ch8 on Progression: http://t.co/NCRgvTUQ #natcur #gtvoice @nightzookeeper And having a focus, although I like the idea of having more freedom to involve other subjects (drama, media, ict) #ukedchat Should computer science and programming play a more prominent role in primary and sec education? #ukedchat @philallman1 #ukedchat It has less summative and more formative assessment. More beneficial in my opinion. “@NickiA10: 1 of highlighted probs is students not provided w/ skills 4 workplace so post 14 should be about that. #ukedchat― @jimpknight ? @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @educationchat #ukedchat I agree. I refuse to be drawn further on that debate! @gsussex @jimpknight #ukedchat lots of schools now limiting KS3 to Yrs 7 & 8 to start GCSE early. Testing at this age cannot be current SATS @clairegowland and is this awesome teaching of ICT in EVERY subject across EVERY secondary school? #ukedchat We've embraced APP in science, but the reports to parents lag behind and still quote one 'mean' level. I'd like a skills diagram. #ukedchat @dukkhaboy #ukedchat @jimpknight has said that GCSEs at 16 should go.

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@nightzookeeper @norfolkteacher1 #ukedchat I thnk so - it is an 20:39 underpinning skillset for access to the entire curriculum surely @NickiA10 @simcloughlin #ukedchat There was a lot of focus on 20:39 key skills in the school I worked in. I thought it worked well @nightzookeeper As a secondary school teacher I can't really get my head around the idea if I am honest. I like my hour slots 20:39 #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @eylanezekiel @dawnhallybone @sirkenrobinson He'd be great but still accountable to Parliament and the Daily Mail :( #ukedchat @dukkhaboy #ukedchat To identify serious problems before they are 19. Otherwise schools could fail to teach and blame it on colleges. RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt changes again? #ukedchat Worth bearing in mind that we can do anything but we can't do everything! So review should focus on a much more local curriculum #ukedchat

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@NickiA10 @simcloughlin We had to put the key skills focus on 20:40 every piece of planning and reflect on each lesson too #ukedchat @oldandrewuk I think U will find that inreality the dogma of testing was bought by all at top 4 measurability. #ukedchat 20:40 @dawnhallybone @AngusWillson @lsanger #ukedchat yes and if this continues, we 20:40 need to reconsider what we are testing and why Sorry folks must go - this is not combining well with my cooking 20:40 duties. Next time. Happy Christmas everyone! #ukedchat @dukkhaboy I think exams at 19 (only) would be a sensible idea. 20:40 #ukedchat @ICTwitz @eyebeams @ethinking did I hear the word scheme?! 20:40 #shudder #ukedchat “@philallman1: As I say to parents. 'I've yet to hear of any1 being asked at interview what they got in their KS2 SATs' 20:40 #ukedchat― @DrSpenny @jimpknight #ukedchat Problem with taking things out 20:40 of political debate is that they then end up run by bureaucrats. @NickiA10 @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Absolutely. Wonder what @ThatIanGilbert 's take on the review is? #ukedchat @gsussex @NickiA10 @jimpknight Really? Workplaces should train people themselves, surely. #ukedchat RT @nightzookeeper: The arts should feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat @jimpknight thanks for your time Jim - much appreciated! #ukedchat As they should in life “@nightzookeeper: The arts should feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat― @nightzookeeper Keep saying that why do staff and kids love "drop down days" so much more than "normal sessions"? More creative! #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion “@oldandrewuk: @cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat Inclusion wasn't "mainstream if best" it was "mainstream or else".― disagree! RT @PhilipEdmundson: @jimpknight @oldandrewuk External exams, esp early entries moderate achievements from both children and teachers perspectives. #ukedchat @jodieworld #ukedchat how could i possibly know that! I was just looking at the positive and from my perspective. #ukedchat @Educationchat actually - you need to wind your neck in - this is professional debate - no need to abuse people not credible Need to work in topics with outside experts co-opted with others to give some genuine learning not pretend "metrics" learning :) #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @DrSpenny @jimpknight and this would be worse than now because???? #ukedchat @philallman1 @AndrewPollard7 Immense creativity, high standards and high expectations are part of the culture at my school too! #ukedchat

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skills diagram or mastery as proposed seems like a good idea. It just 20:41 depends what they measure mastery in. #ukedchat 20:41 The arts should feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat 20:41 @jimpknight @ethinking yes! #ukedchat RT @Teaching_LMP: As they should in life “@nightzookeeper: 20:42 The arts should feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat― @philallman1 Of course creative curric can Phil - appreciated! That's why art, music etc in there. Couldn't take for granted tho 20:42 #ukedchat RT @NickiA10: @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Skills can and should be taught across range of subjects #ukedchat - My thoughts exactly @jimpknight thanks for your time #ukedchat @bevevans22 @cherrylkd @educationchat #ukedchat I think it is constructive to oppose the ideology of inclusion. @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Skills can and should be taught across range of subjects #ukedchat @jimpknight Great to have you joining in with #ukedchat Have a great Christmas!

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@reflectivemaths @norfolkteacher1 I guess the theory is that it is 20:42 embedded in a lot of what we do on a daily basis #ukedchat Promoting Excellence in KS2 with a final paragraph on the governments proposed new curriculum. http://t.co/tKJuofyb 20:42 #ukedchat @ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight Or there is the danger that we all become separate units so prims think about their skills etc... 20:43 #ukedchat Page 23 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @AndrewPollard7 so why not build on THAT like Jim Rose was and 20:43 develop COMPETENCE rather than knowledge? #ukedchat #ukedchat Finland much better eg of curric than china or Singapore (rote learning is part of the culture there). Let's take a proper look RT @NickiA10: @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Skills can and should be taught across range of subjects #ukedchat @bevevans22 4Teaching schools going to lead on ICT,2primary and 2 secondary.Some others also excellent use of ICT but variable #ukedchat @nightzookeeper #ukedchat It was tried a lot in the 1970s. Became a national scandal and led to the introduction of the National Curriculum. @jimpknight Thanks for dropping in! If only more from Parliament were as proactive in engaging with those on the frontline! #ukedchat

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@ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight But surely we should provide 20:43 skills for all to be successful not leave it to workplace #ukedchat @dawnhallybone #ukedchat George Tomlinson, Min of Ed '47-'51 questioned about curriculum. 'Minister's got nowt to do wi't 20:43 curriculum.' @ebd35 @cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 Get back to me after #ukedchat, and I'll find you the policy documents stating 20:44 just that. @norfolkteacher1 @debbisimpson definitely, I think the increase in tech edu has been a focus of #ukedchat in recent months RT @philallman1: @jimpknight thanks for your time Jim - much appreciated! seconded #ukedchat Getting good feedback on @FEWeek @Apprenticeships special edition - download: http://t.co/Su23cG3O. Tweet your thoughts with #ukedchat @AngusWillson #ukedchat My retweets do not always imply endorsement! :-) creativity, high standards and high expectations are part of the culture at my school too! #ukedchat― I'd echo that, our school too! @oldandrewuk @bevevans22 @cherrylkd @educationchat Not sure it is, but accepting a massive rethink is stepping in right direction. #ukedchat @clairegowland I am not trying to criticise and understand your viewpoint totally! Am playing devil's advocate re embedding #ukedchat :-) RT @aangeli: @dukkhaboy I think exams at 19 (only) would be a sensible idea. #ukedchat #ukedchat Have to leave the chat a little early. It's been as interesting as usual. Thanks all :)

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @clairegowland Am sure ICT tchers can embed brilliantly. But the move to embed across curric may not always include an ICT teach. 20:45 #ukedchat #ukedchat We need to ensure a complete 3-19 education system 20:45 allowing students to be successful beyond 19 surely? @oldandrewuk interesting, anything I can read on this that you 20:45 know of? #ukedchat @philallman1 @DrSpenny @jimpknight #ukedchat Because things are moving in the right direction now curriculum-wise. @oldandrewuk #ukedchat so maybe no exams at 16 and no 11-16 schools too. Give them all a 6th form? “@dawnhallybone: RT @philallman1: @jimpknight thanks for your time Jim - much appreciated! seconded #ukedchat― me too!! RT @NickiA10: 1 of highlighted probs is students not provided w/ skills 4 workplace so surely post 14 should be all about that. #ukedchat RT @geraldhaigh1: #ukedchat George Tomlinson, Min of Ed '47-'51 questioned about curriculum. 'Minister's got nowt to do wi't curriculum.' Really?? RT "@oldandrewuk: @bevevans22 @cherrylkd @educationchat #ukedchat I think it is constructive to oppose the ideology of inclusion." @SheliBB @OhLottie @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper importance of opportunities to explore & learn across curriculum #ukedchat #ukedchat ICT in my primary school is advanced and pupils in year 4-6 have greater skills than my own year 8 twins. Variables in teaching :( @oldandrewuk @DrSpenny @jimpknight you REALLY think so? I'm afraid I fundamentally disagree. #ukedchat Is part of the problem that the teaching profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: @clairegowland Am sure ICT tchers can embed brilliantly. But the move to embed across curric may not always include an ICT teach. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper We didn't have the technology we have now or joined up professional networks bad comparison #ukedchat good night Jim, and indeed Good Knight Jim #ukedchat @jimpknight RT @eyebeams: @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper We didn't have the technology we have now or joined up professional networks bad comparison #ukedchat @VivWatson1 As ICT teaching at primary becomes more advanced, secondary ICT will have to introduce programming and more comp sci #ukedchat @NickiA10 You need to come to Scotland! #ukedchat Page 25 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching 20:47 profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat @PhilipEdmundson @Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex 20:47 #ukedchat True, but that results partly from the push for inclusion. RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat We need to ensure a complete 3-19 education system allowing students to be successful beyond 19 20:47 surely? 20:47 @gsussex @ruthyie @jimpknight Indeed and thanks! #ukedchat @Paddymcgrath @andrewpollard7 Of course you teach knowledge but WHAT knowledge should not be prescribed - that becomes 20:47 dogmatic #ukedchat @eyebeams @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper Culturally speaking (and taught during 70s) we are worlds apart - Imagine Twitter 20:47 1976! #ukedchat @jodieworld #ukedchat no, I guess you are right. I must make sure I keep up the good work, so they don't get rid of me. @benniekara @philipedmundson depends how you would define academia? Do students have much more choice at HE level. #ukedchat @NickiA10 @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Imp point on skills risk. New thinkg is NC knowldg + tch/sch led skills. Aims = imp check up #ukedchat @PhilipEdmundson @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper I taught in the 70's there was no cohesion because no connection between teachers #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @oldandrewuk #ukedchat I was schooled in the 70s and def had subjects @Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat What's the point on coming on here to agree? (Although one week I did do that for a laugh).

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@ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight How about personalised learning 20:48 and thinking skills as identified by Mick Waters? #ukedchat RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching 20:48 profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching 20:48 profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat @PhilipEdmundson @oldandrewuk @bevevans22 @educationchat #ukedchat as long as its 4 good of ch & not 2 save money, can 20:48 always accept rethink Always been more freedom within NC guidelines than many have 20:49 taken advantage of. Some heads timid about this. #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @Bdunford I agree that there are some good points in the review, 20:49 but I do question the majority of points. #ukedchat RT @benniekara: @nightzookeeper @philipedmundson #ukedchat good question. I guess problem with thematic is risk of watering 20:49 down subjects, losing depth? @lauwailap1 @VivWatson1 And/or deeper design, art and music 20:49 tech #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 @bevevans22 @simcloughlin But if knowledge is 20:49 prescribed then knowledge becomes fixed! #ukedchat @clairegowland I am sure you will be kept! And do excellent work 20:49 with other departments. Fly the flag! :-) #ukedchat @HilaryNunns @jimpknight #ukedchat They tell us more than any other method, and it is the complete absence of learning that is the 20:49 problem. Hasn't been mentioned yet - when should MFL be introduced in the 20:49 NC? #ukedchat RT @Bdunford: It's easy to be concerned by the #natcur review, but there are some really good bits in it too. A debate of change is 20:49 always good. #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @philipedmundson #ukedchat good question. I guess problem with thematic is risk of watering down subjects, 20:49 losing depth? It's easy to be concerned by the #natcur review, but there are some really good bits in it too. A debate of change is always good. 20:49 #ukedchat 20:50 @ukedchat Wow that's been quick #ukedchat @benniekara @philipedmundson a thematic approach improves the depth of learning and increases the amount students retain 20:50 #ukedchat @clairegowland I don't think any jobs will go really, just be hard for 20:50 all departments to have an expert to hand weekly #ukedchat @eylanezekiel #ukedchat Yes! Who ever in politics asks or listens 2 teachers? Everyone's an expert on teaching except teachers! @NickiA10 Like everywhere else, pros and cons. HMI don't seem as bad as Ofsted though. #ukedchat @nightzookeeper Whenever it is it should be standardised. I restarted French at secondary as other feeder schools hadn't done it #ukedchat Wow. Great #ukedchat this evening. Last 10 minutes folks

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National Curriculum Review Discussion I think we need to remodel people's roles in education - make them more agile and reflective learners and that's just the teachers #ukedchat @reallara @ohlottie @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper definitely! Eyfs style curric.Ongoing formative assessment,no summative stuff #ukedchat It's all about Stuff! Part 2 Lunchtime play project http://t.co/q7EnZdIg #playoutdoors #recycling #learnoutdoors #ukedchat #edchat @nightzookeeper True. From experience Y3 is a better starting place than Y5. More open to MFL, especially if gradual introduction #ukedchat

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RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching 20:51 profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat @benniekara @nightzookeeper If thrown together/fudged, then 20:51 yes. Given clear aims and time, then no. #ukedchat RT @TonyPickford1: @VivWatson1 #ukedchat ICT quality in primary hugely variable, which is why devolving ICT to schools in 20:51 #NCReview is ill-advised. @PhilipEdmundson @nightzookeeper #ukedchat In my experience 20:51 they don't. Aside: In my placement school they have dropped the "F" and just 20:52 call it "ML." Surely that includes English? Anyway... #ukedchat 20:52 @ruthyie But unis now saying that students don't have. #ukedchat RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching 20:52 profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat #ukedchat I am pleased timing in now Sept 2014 as it gives time for 20:52 further reflection & sharing of views What would happen if #natcur review was delayed forever? Would 20:52 we all feel the freedom and do it anyway? #ukedchat" @OhLottie It will all come back to accountability, "basic" still 20:52 implies it's a compulsory subject so can still be inspected #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in education - make them more agile and reflective learners and 20:52 that's just the teachers #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @benniekara @philipedmundson entirely agree 20:52 thematic = more depth of subject! #ukedchat Big question - How effective is the year by year approach to educating, could this be altered, what would be the impact? 20:52 #ukedchat

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @eyebeams @nightzookeeper #ukedchat But advocates of this sort of change have always said the technology makes the 20:52 difference. It never does @NickiA10 #ukedchat I'm all for PLTS. Need to be developed long before KS4. Along with ICT-related research skills. Stuff we learned 20:52 at uni! #ukedchat gives me a headache. Are they really seriously talking 20:52 about reducing their curriculum so it is finished at age 14? @benniekara @nightzookeeper Strikes me that social media makes us inventive & that we need to lead debate on taking this 20:52 forward. #ukedchat RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat RT @AndrewPollard7: Need 2 b clear on status of #natcur rpt 2 generate debate. Acceptance/rejection later by govt. Tchrs/stakehldrs must engage now. #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in education - make them more agile and reflective learners and that's just the teachers #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in education - make them more agile and reflective learners and that's just the teachers #ukedchat @NickiA10 @ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight #ukedchat Slogans used to justify dumbing down. There are no generic, teachable thinking skills. @eyebeams @VivWatson1 YES, I'd love to see more interactive media, motion graphics, video, or games design on the ICT curriculum #ukedchat @eyebeams I would say that many primary teachers are already doing this #ukedchat #ukedchat I worry that education has for too long been a political pawn shunted around a board with one aim - protecting the establishment

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National Curriculum Review Discussion RT @Bdunford: It's easy to be concerned by the #natcur review, but there are some really good bits in it too. A debate of change is always good. #ukedchat Need 2 b clear on status of #natcur rpt 2 generate debate. Acceptance/rejection later by govt. Tchrs/stakehldrs must engage now. #ukedchat #ukedchat Thought I wouldn't Tweet tonight as we have CfE in Scotland. Couldn't stop myself! :-) #interloper @philallman1 @Paddymcgrath @andrewpollard7 #ukedchat I think it's hard to justify that in the core. Studying popular culture is not enough. @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper Not saying that at all -it is teacher's and SMT management remodelling around learning augmented by #ukedchat RT @nightzookeeper: @julietteheppell @benniekara @philipedmundson we don't live our lives in subjects, so why should we learn & teach in this way? #ukedchat RT “@philallman1: @geraldhaigh1 sadly b/c of inspection implications & high stakes involved #ukedchat― Agree!Ofsted causes heads to be timid @julietteheppell @benniekara @philipedmundson we don't live our lives in subjects, so why should we learn & teach in this way? #ukedchat Professional associations like @The_UKLA are so important when trying to influence policy but teachers need a greater voice too #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in education - make them more agile and reflective learners and that's just the teachers #ukedchat @gsussex, yes agree Sept 2014 is quite a long time away, so hopefully more people can reflect and contribute to the reform debate #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @benniekara @philipedmundson Exactly! Does not help the students! #ukedchat RT @VivWatson1: #ukedchat I worry that education has for too long been a political pawn shunted around a board with one aim protecting the establishment @AndrewPollard7 which as long as we are listened to we are delighted by #ukedchat @simcloughlin apart from esafety ICT NC has held up pretty well it's the QCA unit approach tickbox approach that is out of date #ukedchat @julietteheppell that would be a real shame and the whole community would suffer! #ukedchat @BobToms100 we've done this (small scale) in our dept and it's been a HUGE success! #ukedchat @philallman1 @AndrewPollard7 Yes, it's this aspect that's important. Gov must talk to more than uni professors & retired advisors #ukedchat Last few minutes for #ukedchat this evening. Page 30 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion “@debbisimpson: @simcloughlin apart from esafety ICT NC has held up pretty well. tickbox approach out of date #ukedchat― 20:56 Spot on! @norfolkteacher1 Look at the marvellous STEM projects out there 20:56 e.g. http://t.co/GunxiSSd social velcro around learning #ukedchat @nightzookeeper Big discussion on this in #natcur rev. Centrally determined YoY constraining, but gd for home/sch lng locally. 20:56 #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @Paddymcgrath @andrewpollard7 I don't think I said that - as a historian I'd disagree with that anyway. #ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 Agreed but too often views of those very ppl are ignored or it appears that way #ukedchat @clairegowland That's exactly how I think it should be. Discrete for teaching skills/coding etc & embed use of tools across curric #ukedchat oh goodness - someone just used the phrase 'social velcro' in a nonironic sense #ukedchat #ukedchat I would be encouraged if reviewers & policy makers visited countries referenced in person rather than relying on data from others RT @simcloughlin: @philallman1 @AndrewPollard7 Yes, it's this aspect that's important. Gov must talk to more than uni professors & retired advisors #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #asechat takes over #ukedchat next week via @viciascience. Poll now online - http://t.co/TUnxGI22 RT @AndrewPollard7: @nightzookeeper Big discussion on this in #natcur rev. Centrally determined YoY constraining, but gd for home/sch lng locally. #ukedchat Won't quite make it to the end of #ukedchat Thanks all RT @philallman1: @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @nightzookeeper b/c of the lack of expertise which will worsen if not part of core. #ukedchat #ukedchat has anyone watched Howard gardners 5 minds for the future? Reassuring reminder of links between subject knowledge and skills RT @philallman1: Of course there are generic skills that can be taught - we use them all the time in life. #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #asechat takes over #ukedchat next week via @viciascience. Poll now online - http://t.co/TUnxGI22 Of course there are generic skills that can be taught - we use them all the time in life. #ukedchat @ukedchat Good stuff tonight! Many thanks. @philallman1 Anecdotal evidence is Ofsted surprisingly accepting of thoughtful alternatives to apparently official line. Anyone? #ukedchat @ethinking #ukedchat I couldn't agree more. Creative pedagogy is required @Michael_Merrick #ukedchat Whassit mean? Sounds fun. Page 31 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @AndrewPollard7 I don't expect to get it all my own way - just be 20:58 heard! #ukedchat 20:58 @ethinking can you post the link for this video? #ukedchat @nightzookeeper You do need subj specialists teaching their subjs. You can't go from discrete subjs to none. Two/Too extremes! 20:58 #ukedchat #ukedchat secondary ICT should involve much more programming etc as much of curric kids can already do by 12. MFL compulsory 20:58 from 5 Why is intergenerational learning not discussed in the NC review 20:58 use PEOPLE not systems - with ICT or not - #ukedchat @jodieworld Yep - it's a real worry. Citizenship is about virtual and physical communities and imho, soooo important!! #ukedchat @philallman1 mMMM. I certainly agree with that. But it's a democracy - with some odd features. Progress over time I think .... #ukedchat @geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat sadly Gerald I've had my own opposite battles with ofsted - twice! #ukedchat thank you all. Thank you @AndrewPollard7 for joining in too!

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20:59 In my head it is Friday night! TOTALLY forgot about #ukedchat! RT @VivWatson1: #ukedchat I worry that education has for too long been a political pawn shunted around a board with one aim 20:59 protecting the establishment Taking part in my first #ukedchat and keep forgetting the tag! 20:59 Whoops! @AndrewPollard7 Thanks for popping into #ukedchat this evening. 20:59 Hope you found the feedback encouraging and useful @BobToms100 #ukedchat my school has just done that very thing. 20:59 Included TAs too. Identified all skills and deployed where best used @julietteheppell Great! ICT can lead itself to most subjects. Would b good 2 hear other ppls' thoughts on X-curric likely pairings 20:59 #ukedchat @HilaryNunns @bevevans22 @cherrylkd @educationchat #ukedchat Yes. http://t.co/599kaXUK http://t.co/k3AhxRHH 20:59 http://t.co/nmklhJqq @lsanger @nightzookeeper @julietteheppell @benniekara That does seem rather compartmentalised though. Look at X humanities 20:59 links. #ukedchat #ukedchat Tonight has made me appreciate CfE more. Thank you 20:59 all. Thanks #ukedchat & @ukedchat @nightzookeeper @ethinking for 21:00 hosting! Fast & furious! Well that was an intense and exciting hour! #ukedchat Pub 21:00 anyone? Page 32 of 35

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National Curriculum Review Discussion @lsanger @julietteheppell does this narrow your view of learning, 21:00 leaving yourself open to experiencing the unexpected? #ukedchat @eylanezekiel #ukedchat No. In the late 1990s the top two education ministers were both ex-teachers and we heard all the 21:00 same complaints. 21:00 I wish I'd come online earlier to join #ukedchat - oops! It's 9pm. Thank you to @nightzookeeper & @ethinking for hosting 21:00 #ukedchat this evening, keeping the conversation flowing. RT @ukedchat: @AndrewPollard7 Thanks for popping into #ukedchat this evening. Hope you found the feedback encouraging 21:00 and useful < indeed 21:00 @geraldhaigh1 depends on the inspector in my exp. #ukedchat HUGE thanks to @AndrewPollard7 for popping into #ukedchat this 21:00 evening, & answering your questions. @ukedchat Thanks for opportunity to discuss. Hope U can put it all together. Opportunities like #natcur rev don't come often! 21:01 #ukedchat @philallman1 @geraldhaigh1 as with most walks of life the individuals can be more influential than the organisation they 21:01 represent #ukedchat Many thanks to @jimpknight and @AndrewPollard7 for taking part 21:01 in #ukedchat tonight. RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. Thank you to @nightzookeeper & @ethinking for hosting #ukedchat this evening, keeping the 21:01 conversation flowing. @nightzookeeper #ukedchat http://t.co/v8PnhDX5 gardners 5 21:01 minds for the future @OhLottie @norfolkteacher1 @reallara @nightzookeeper I've been lucky at my schl-we have been able to teach pretty much how 21:01 we like #ukedchat I can't believe it @enterprisegran really does have a naughty step [twitter list]. I thought she was joking :( #ukedchat That was fast and furious, with far too much to think about in the 'holidays'. Thank you very much, all on #ukedchat and happy Christmas. RT @ethinking: @HilaryNunns @oldandrewuk inclusion is a sacred cow - you can't question it - you are being mean to poor children #ukedchat @julietteheppell Am sure you will build it in all over the place anyway though :-) #ukedchat @OhLottie @norfolkteacher1 @reallara @nightzookeeper so my 5/4 class were taught through mantle & enquiry.Very diff now I'm in y2 #ukedchat

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22nd December 2011

National Curriculum Review Discussion @PhilipEdmundson @nightzookeeper #ukedchat A lot of schools depend on their routine to work effectively. It's a shame, but it's true. @DeputyMitchell waster #ukedchat @PhilipEdmundson @ethinking @nightzookeeper @julietteheppell #UKEdChat interesting, but does that not mean perpetuating the primary model? RT @chilledteaching: @AndrewPollard7 Thanks for popping into #ukedchat this evening. Hope you found the feedback encouraging and useful #ukedchat fab chat tonight. Can't remember who hosted but thank you, good work. Have a great Christmas everyone! Carol singers below .... Hi @AndrewPollard7 @ukedchat #natcur irony is - it did come around two years ago......mind you it was all rather motherhood and apple pie @OhLottie @norfolkteacher1 @reallara @nightzookeeper as SATs seem to get in the way at certain times. Not my values / ethos btw #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @lsanger actually think it broadens it... #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: That's exactly how I think it should be. Discrete & embed - Agree. #ukedchat @norfolkteacher1 #ukedchat Me too! ! @andymarnick all for rigorous moderation but TA vital for real consistency. #ukedchat

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21:05 Interesting chat this evening! Happy xmas everyone! #ukedchat RT @Bdunford: Very interesting #natcur #ukedchat tonight. Some of my own thoughts as an ICT teacher can be found at 21:05 http://t.co/HjqFtc0w Merry Christmas! @nightzookeeper #ukedchat The TES published a book about 21:05 William Tyndale school. Worth trying to get hold of. 21:05 @philallman1 how so? #ukedchat in what way are you thinking? @julietteheppell @jodieworld @clairegowland Get in as many arts groups as possible into the school and find grants to do that 21:05 #ukedchat 21:05 @jodieworld lol, defo! #ukedchat Very interesting #natcur #ukedchat tonight. Some of my own thoughts as an ICT teacher can be found at http://t.co/HjqFtc0w 21:05 Merry Christmas! RT @dockers_hoops: There's no point in having a 'National' curriculum while education is so politicised. Take the ideology out 21:06 of learning #ukedchat RT @julietteheppell: Interesting chat this evening! Happy xmas 21:06 everyone! #ukedchat It's flown by :) #ukedchat Once again, another interesting and thought-provoking 21:07 hour.

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22nd December 2011

National Curriculum Review Discussion @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper Tyndale was monstered by press at the time - they were naive - with reflection, research, mentors ... #ukedchat Thanks for all that contributed to #ukedchat this evening, enjoyed the debate. @oldandrewuk I'm not weighing a pig! #ukedchat @lauwailap1 @VivWatson1 That is why I set up http://t.co/KWPIHhO6 #ukedchat Merry Christmas to all! #ukedchat

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#ukedchat Some thoughts about the review from an MFL 21:10 perspective, courtesy of @valleseco: http://t.co/q6bWM4m6 21:11 @nightzookeeper Merry Xmas - have a fruitful new year #ukedchat @philallman1 don't most sch use the yr2 tests at the end of KS1 and this is what goes on your tracker? #ukedchat isn't this like for 21:11 like? RT @julietteheppell: @jodieworld Yep - it's a real worry. Citizenship is about virtual and physical communities and imho, soooo 21:11 important!! #ukedchat

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