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Interview of Steve R. Pieczenik - Alex Jones Show - April 24, 2002 (Partial Transcript) Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker. He is a Member of the Council on Foreign Relations AJ: Our guest tonight is Dr. Steve Pieczenik and he’s one of the world’s most experienced international crisis managers. He has over twenty years experience in resolving international crises, working for four U.S. administrations. Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger and Cyrus Vance and James Baker. Working with Secretary of State George Schultz, Dr. Pieczenik has used his psycho-political expertise for the Secretary’s mediation of conflict in the Middle East between Israel, Jordan, Syria, again it goes on and on. He’s got best selling books. He’s basically an infowarrior, a crisis manager. In fact he, according to this and some of the news articles that we pulled up on him, coined the phrase, if these articles are accurate, this isn’t even in his bio here, but it says it there in some of the news articles, the “crisis mediation” and it’s just endless. It says in one of the bios here that he is also a member of the CFR. Steve Pieczenik, I really appreciate you joining us on the show. Of course, he is also a doctor and PhD as well. Good to have you on the show this evening, Sir. SP: Can I call you Alex? AJ: You certainly can. SP: You can call me Steve, Dr. Pieczenik or Steve, that’s fine with me. AJ: Well, Sir, I mean you’ve got a long bio here. (Crosstalk) just want to mention to the listeners out there. SP: Sure, anyway what would you like to start with Alex? AJ: Tell us a little bit more about yourself. Any key areas of your life, so folks know who you are. SP: Sure, I’ll be happy to. I started as a, I was a medical doctor training at Cornell University Medical College here. I worked my way up through scholarships and then got into the military. I was, during the Vietnam War, I was a very young O6, as many of you know, that is a colonel at the age of 32. I then went on to my training in psychiatry, at the same time at Harvard, and at the same time, I got a PhD from MIT in International Relations.
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which we were through the SBI (?) program and at the same time. But one of the most brilliant presidents I served and most people don’t recognize his brilliance. I’m not saying myself only. my sense was that he was not going to leave. I think history will (garbled) and that is President Reagan. You are talking about controlling paradigms – paradigm management. If you want me to go through the detail and showing him what our military capabilities were. so when the real attack came that they wouldn’t respond with Interview of Steve R. And that was Akhromeyev. who was. to de-sensitize them. I have seen it reported that then in the military build-up before the strike. AJ: Now that was the first MIT PhD. this was a general who was chief of narco traffic out of Panama. And so. It’s not. Secretary of State Schultz and Reagan. SP: Correct. AJ: I’ve got to stop you for a second.2002 Seite 2 . And he understood the importance of psychology because he had been an actor and he understood that perception becomes reality. Alex. an actor. we broke the entire. but I am much more interested in what kind of image perception propaganda has been created against us and what propaganda information we have to create against someone else. in this particular form of psychology. we were effectively able. one of the presidents whom I served. thirty years ago that the very essence of relationships between countries and understanding what our national security is about has to lie in the psychological political arena. what it is it’s a more sophisticated concept. we won a war without having to fire a bullet. who was then Chief of Staff of the Soviet military who was an Admiral. But from that point on. he clearly. as you know. I don’t just manage a conflict. And that is the kind of thing that I talk about – psychological or psycho-political dimension. what I do is. Well. SP: Well. And once he saw that both on land and on sea. necessarily that I am interested in what mother did or your father did. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. I may sometimes be sent in on behalf of. I would come back and report it. that they employed the psychological technique of having the Delta Force and others do raids in and out of the area.. Steve Pieczenik and he has worked at the highest levels of the psychological operations for four administrations. But Reagan was effectively able and the Reagan administration to bring down an entire Soviet empire without firing a gun by simply manipulating the psychology of perception. he is ill now. No. and who eventually committed suicide. I’ve never used that word paradigm but you clearly – you must be a professor. this is a gentleman who using the study that I had worked on thirty years ago and had been intimately involved with him. That we were forcing them into bankruptcy. AJ: We are talking to Dr. I was sent down to give Noriega a message officially that we would like for him to leave and we would provide the two planes. that’s interesting. For example. But he had a photographic memory. But the notion is. It’s a team effort. for example. Well. so and so and such and such. And the reason for that was that I understood very clearly. he basically gave up. manipulating their mind using the Chief of Staff. For example. touch down for six months. a long time ago. using psychology and the concept of the perception. And as many of you remember. Alex. This is intriguing. Unfortunately.
for example. In ’79 when he was in Afghanistan and with Saddam Hussein when he was our ally and I worked against him when they weren’t our ally. Alex. with the Gorbachev and Reagan negotiations. 68 countries filled with al Qaeda membership. whether they like it or not? SP: Well that’s a good point. crafting much of the police that we have seen over the last twenty. thirty years. (laughs) That’s exactly true. OK. including our own country. SP: Oh. Yeah. we are using military. around the world because of the 68 countries now with al Qaeda individuals. Alex. ’81.. hopefully. I worked against him. AJ: Now again folks. And so. SP: That’s correct. Alex. and we are very good at that. SP: I’d be happy to. The FBI called me in and I used the Koran to take over the control and eventually he couldn’t help but follow the orders that we giving to him and he eventually released the hostages. but they had that on the History Channel. I don’t mean me. I hope we can keep you for a while. I’m not pointing fingers. And we’re are using both psychological operations. Steve Pieczenik and he is one of the infowarriors in four administrations. then I can say yes. where I had three buildings here held hostage by a fundamentalist group called the Hanasi(?) Muslim. What I do – I’ve done a lot of negotiation. I do a lot of stategy and tactics where I’ve done a lot of things. AJ: Let’s talk about his story. I can’t confirm or deny it but I can say yes. Some of what we saw – we saw that very effectively done in Afghanistan.2002 Seite 3 . Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. And I would come back and every year talk at the National Defense University at Carlyle War College – as a way of showing my appreciation to the military and try to train them in psychological operations. I mean we heard it was twenty dollar bills. we are talking to Dr. with Arafat. it’s a very powerful tool and we are getting back into using that very effectively. now it onehundred dollars bills. And I mean that’s an obvious propaganda move and even the person pulling the hundred dollar bill out realizes that it’s propaganda but still can’t help having a pang of liking George Bush for that split second. AJ: You may not know it. So. But the United States is. When we basically gave warning to all the civilians and then we basically went in and broke up the Taliban and then starting going after al Qaeda. We lost about 40% of our military intelligence capability. Interview of Steve R. We used a lot of psychological operations on (garbled) which I can’t go into but we are using it right now. And he knew he was being manipulated. yes.. I mean. that’s psychological operation. in that sense. I didn’t know that was on History. General Cisnero(?) and I. And I am so honored to have you on the show tonight. For example.. That’s exactly right. And we’ve lost some of that capability over the past administration. I worked with Osama bin Laden in ’78. there have been crises. with just the picture of George Bush. I’m glad you told me. isn’t that acclimating them. conditioning them. we worked on a psyops program. I would track down terrorists and then I worked against Arafat.
AJ: Well I had the former professors on this show. you are violating my first amendment. you know generals – I have a lot of respect for but it’s not generals that make the decision. SP: Sure. So basically that’s where I agree with you and your audience and that is we cannot let the federal government or any government suppress our liberties in any way whatsoever. Absolutely. I mean I was almost in preventative detention down in Reno. and I said to the police. Can I use the words. What was this story where they come out and go – oh we’ve got the office of strategic influence. which I hope your audience understands – that means military control can come in and take over civilian control. Every country has one. It will be a consultant who works for somebody in the White House who may not necessarily know what he or she may be doing. blue haired. Now. strategic laws and manipulation. One thing I am not is a professor of Interview of Steve R. oh we are not going to use it anymore. I mean. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. but it’s getting a little more sophisicated than that. they say it was gone in ’96 and they are concerned about it. are you arresting me? He said no. SP: Well. you are violating my second amendment.. in camps in this country against the American people. the former JAG colonels and generals. but don’t call me professor. and then we are going to activate it. AJ: I’m not going to mince words. I mean I’ve worked with these . One of the things that I have been in disagreement and it keeps coming out of the conservative movement. Then why are you sorting me out? And they couldn’t give me an answer. so hopefully the American people can become more aware of these tactics.2002 Seite 4 . Can you . so that was a lie to say it new. for example. I’m going to cut to the chase. can I use the word terrorism? He said no. And that’s why we have you here. And I say that. Go ahead. you could be dark and brown eyed. we were just proposing it. by the spin doctors. But you do not change the constitution or alter it to such a degree that we have posse comitatus. and every other amendment. I said you are making a big mistake. But we all know it was already operating for hundreds of years. yeah. certainly it’s just 101 Marketing to use psychology. is there propaganda that’s given to the American public. Can I talk about guns? No.is that the issue of the suppression of our civil liberties is unjustified and particularly in this case on terrorists. SP: I’ve very concerned about it because what happens is. And I’ve seen the telltale signs all over the place. They won’t tell you why.. I was actually. Then. AJ: About these technologies that you are talking about that are great for defending the country being used by the wordsmiths. AJ: Let me stop you professor. I can understand that we have to have vigilance and we have to have surveillance. And when I mean specifically.. SP: Well. That’s a no-no. You could be blond. And then we are talking about civil liberties and profiling – where you suddenly get thrown off the plane. Then they say. Whether it’s gun control or big government or any of it. I agree with you Alex. Your take on that. Nevada.
But this time around. Whereas.2002 Seite 5 . And they think they can herd us around. AJ: under Henry Kissinger. that’s what is unfortunately true about Washington. what I would consider. CNN has been very. And then they have been really hoodwinked and the American public doesn’t know what is fact and what is reality. But if that message is out of whack. But I’m also a member of the National Rifle Interview of Steve R. thank God my friend Roger Ailes is the head of the MSNBC network. My neighbor who is around the block was in charge of that and I don’t know her all that well. as pretty stupid and not very bright. pro-Palestinian or pro-Arab in my ways. And one of the things that I do not believe in. we don’t have the flexibility. thank you for that. where we can get into some issues and really start discussing them from another perspective. Like Chris Matthews and the O’Reilly Factor. again. everything I say is not written in stone. we have had problems in the past where the CIA and other organizations that instill disinformation in overseas countries and American reporters pick it up as fact. it was the stupidest idea I’ve ever seen because they said they could divide the lies from the non-lies and I said that’s ridiculous. And the answer is.. And I’ve said that repeatedly. I would say. It was clear to me that they didn’t know what they were doing. because we are in what we would call a constant struggle or war against the El-Jihad and the Muslims – Islamic fundamentalists who are more than happy to destroy much of what we have. but I do join you in saying that I tried to stop that vehemently on the radio. where you can see some questions. There has been an interesting kind of balance. So that is where I do agree with you. You were. now I’m not gospel and I’m not. anything. but particularly in the military is that you compromise the integrity of our military and at the same time. SP: Well. administration after administration. I’m as human as anybody else. What they were doing was creating what we call of fusion of what we call blackops. that they have underestimated the intelligence of the American public. you know. you don’t do that in the military. Alex. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24.. Alex. at the same time. in key positions in many other administrations. they want to give their message. Ms Clarke. AJ: And then that discredits the media organs which are needed by the government to form public opinion. Now. repeatedly. Politicians consider most of us. Furthermore. But I’ve had a lot of experience. and white noise. Vance and Baker. in my opinion. Well. you are also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. it doesn’t have a particular bias that is lent by the government. they are mistaken. The reason you don’t do that anywhere in the United States. black operations meaning covert. I know what you are getting to. to be told all kinds of stories that do not correspond to reality. And we can’t afford. it’s true.. that means real facts and information. deputy assistant Secretary of State. That is. it’s interesting that you say that. And that’s why I go on these radio stations to say look. correct? SP: Yeah. is the notion that policy. AJ: Okay. SP: That’s correct. as American citizens. which is more conservative that the FOX network. I’m more than happy to go on the air and say that guy is not telling the truth. sometimes the government brings in.
returning by. But in these. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. it was out of the Royal Institute of International Affairs. No. that it is not any more conspiratorial there. right after World War II. I can’t. many. many years ago. I want to hear this from you when we get back. Let’s talk about bin Laden.. and I envy all the dangerous and exciting situations you’ve been in and I didn’t even know if I could believe this bio and did some a little LexisNexis search and you actually play yourself down a bit on your website. a very elite Northeastern organization. I think you did a good job. BREAK AJ: We are talking to Steve Pieczenik and he has got more titles than the Queen of England. many of the secretaries of state have come out of there previously. That’s a private equity group run by a guy named Carlucci who is a former Secretary of Defense that are profiting very handsomely from this war. I’d say 15 or 20 years ago. AJ: Since 1922. And I’m very much concerned about it because it because it could spread it. You have really led. I think that is an old resume. it was the Rockefeller family that funded it and built it up and there was a sense that there was a conspiracy here and I can tell you for a fact that a member of the group that you are talking to. this is where you would be concerned and others is that the Council on Foreign Relaions was once.. I’m more than happy. AJ: See. saying the same thing and I eventually found it of very little help. Sir. I didn’t put that down. SP: Correct.. I don’t know if they are accurate. although. too. I mean he has been all over the place. AJ: That’s accurate. that’s amazing because I got some of the – I don’t know if you knew that some people were making some transcripts of some of your comments on KFI and I’ve got them here. Interview of Steve R. Basically it is the same people. What it has really turned into is pretty much. It was an organization basically designed not to influence or direct everything. The real issue of the Council on Foreign Relations. you said that? SP: Yes. AJ: Okay. but basically I haven’t attended a meeting in well over a year or two because it has become very much a rotary club. SP: Oh. Association. that is accurate. Particularly before World War II.2002 Seite 6 . I’m serious. with all due respect. SP: Right. Why don’t you give that to them Steve. There is a far more serious organization that we are concerned about and that’s called the Carlyle Group. Alex. when it got founded. you talk about the CIA and bin Laden in July and the rest of this .
. my website is stevepieczenik.. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24.. what I want to talk to you about tonight. This is a real effort to really neutralize their entire population and the guys are saying you are doing it for the welfare of the state. and actually the kids don’t know about it.. AJ: Now Dr. and another one called “Active Measure” under Alexander Court. an extreme liberal. SP: That’s correct and they don’t. It’s about the violation of Sweden. Alex.. AJ: Sounds like Margaret Sanger. But the real reason was for economic reasons.com and I have a new book coming out called.. they made a lot of money off of it. What he did was to sterilize innocent Swedish women between 1945 and 1974. This is a famous Nobel Peace Prize winner and he wrote the welfare state.. they have denied. we didn’t like human nature and all of that. He sterilized over 75. “Active Pursuit” under the name of Alexander Court.. as many governments have and that is what your point is. of all things. So much for greatest of free. Alex. in establishing neutrality and actually helped the Nazis. SP: Oh. by the name of Gunnar Nordahl. what happened was. you know.. that will be coming out this week actually. and you will read it there. AJ: Absolutely and we see that now being legalized in many of those Scandinavian countries. How do you create the welfare state? Well. SP: is bin Laden and the. AJ: Your website for those who don’t know it.they have said we are looking at. See. maintain their welfare state. Pieczenik. SP: Well.2002 Seite 7 . AJ: Yeah.. I went after one of their famous Nobel Prize winners. I said I’m going after this guy and I found out and I put it in the book. He didn’t want to have any problems with a potential abnormal child so they thought this was the best way to maintain their financial capability.. they made a huge amount and the Wallenburg family in particular. But it’s one of the things that again. how hypocritical Sweden was during World War II. SP: Oh well. again not all Swedes are bad but the point is that their government has been playing two-faced with the world for a long time. I use fiction to put reality in.000 innocent Swedish women who had nothing more than perhaps.. I remember when I was up in North Korea and I saw him. Interview of Steve R. abnormal a little bit of behavior problem... he said that Americans were despicable. it’s a lot more deadly than Margaret Sanger. And one of the comments was. made a lot of money and then they violated everything we stood for. And the Swedes have never denied it. C-o-u-r-t. who accused us. and this was a fact they never denied and I put it in the book in “Active Measure” by Alexander Court.. That’s called euthanasia.. or they were teenagers. And we forced Raoul Wallenburg to join the OSS to make up for their totally treacherous behavior but the worst part about it was that I wanted to..
BREAK AJ: We are excited to have a great guest. (garbled) and he asked me if I’d come on board and work for the U. It’s much more complicated than has been revealed. who I have served as well. exactly. This is the private equity group here in Washington. SP: It goes back.. I couldn’t. He has worked for the deputy secretary of state. it sounds like you’re 180 from the views of Henry Kissinger. Lawrence Eagleburger. SP: Absolutely.. AJ: Back into the mid-70s. narcissistic behavior. Secondly. AJ: We are talking about bin Laden for those that just joined us. I’ll give you the time.. He is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political novels and co-creator of the best-selling Tom Clancy’s Op-Center and Tom Clancy’s Netforce series. He has worked in four administrations.S. government. what we call. which the bin Laden family have been in. hostage negotiator. Again. From talking to you. now let’s start getting into this whole bin Laden situation and I’ve got a bunch of emails and I got a partial transcript of it and I called the station to confirm that you were on but they didn’t have a transcript. than has been revealed by anyone. AJ: Let’s get to that. He is a Harvard psychiatrist with an MD from Cornel University and PhD in International Relations from MIT. He is very impulsive. I’ve got his quotes on record where he says if there is a big enough crisis. AJ: I want to talk about Henry Kissinger. And. I said. Sr. no problem. I mean he has said stuff like this on television and you worked under this guy. The doctor served for four presidential administrations. SP: Right. this is following issue. an intelligent guest. have literally gone to the bin Laden family and the Carlyle Group. I don’t tolerate that and set limits very quickly. Bush. Steve Pieczenik on the show. we’d accept a new world order. I had a military commission. We are about to break and start the next hour.2002 Seite 8 . SP: You know. The issue is what the relationship is between the bin Laden family and the Bush family. Jr. I mean this guy. So the answer is you are right. global government. As a psychiatrist. who has been under (garbled) management has seen me negotiate the release of about seventeen hostages. and Bush. but we are talking about bin Laden. Let’s talk about it then if you’ve got time right now. I didn’t agree with his views but his deputy. childish and he rants and raves. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. that I was asked to work for him personally and I said no. SP: Well. I. And that is that it goes back for several decades. They have now. this I can share with most of your audience. what I said was Alex. And they Interview of Steve R. the list goes on and on. you are right on the nose. for many reasons that I don’t want to get into but primarily that I didn’t have the temperament to tolerate his type of. like Dr.
He was just a young kid. including one of the largest conglomerates in our military contracting. We supplied him with the actual biological and chemical weapons. AJ: Brzezinski talks about that in “The Grand Chessboard”. Steve Pieczenik. I mean I said you would have to be. BREAK Interview of Steve R. AJ: The type of psyops that we’d see coming out of Dr. sitting there that looked nothing like bin Laden. And so we have a blowback with Osama. in fact. SP: It’s blowback. wait a minute guys. if you messed up the first time. we would see a video of bin Laden today and then out of nowhere. It was the same thing with Noriega. he’s been dead for months. I mean it was such a hoax. exactly. And what I was saying about a blowback was that if we tend to have a pattern here in the United States and it has to do. that they owned all kinds of companies. supposedly our ally in 1979. I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying. It was the CIA that did that. Then we go to war and we don’t finish the war. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. our government. meaning that someone in the government. suddenly. And bin Laden was. and that he then turned against us and we created a political Frankenstein. And what happens is we just dump them. claimed they only had 2 million dollars. what makes you think you are going to do it again the second time. I think primarily with the fact that we don’t have good intelligence or good CIA capability to handle all of our so-called in between or gray-zone friends/enemies.. And I am trying to say. they said oh it was sent to us anonymously. SP: It’s not the kind of thing that I would do to the American public. we fought with him for five years against Iran. Suddenly we find ourselves at war with him. when he worked with us to drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. AJ: You are saying it is blowback. those made-up photos that they were sending us out of nowhere. I mean the whole thing was a. remember. was trying to keep up the morale on our side and say oh we still have to chase this guy when. you know. our ally. I mean. AJ: You are talking about the obvious fat guy. I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. But what made it more difficult was. And that’s not the first time we’ve done that Alex and this is what I want to tell your audience. That was a blowback. We had to go in and send in 22. But the more important part was that .2002 Seite 9 .. And you could see those in those films. And as a physician. SP: Right. but my sense is that it was far more extensive. It was the same thing with Saddam Hussein. ’80. We killed over a million people. Now we are going back to war again. blind and stupid to not realize that this is really being manipulating in trying to manipulate us.000 troops. SP: You’ve got it.
That’s called preventative detention. meeting with the CIA Section Chief for ten days. Still on the number one hit list of the Red Brigade in Italy. I was shocked as well as you were in that what is a Station Chief doing seeing Osama bin Laden when he was already declared an international war criminal under the previous administration and then the Station Chief testified. with several others. confirming that he was involved in the situation in the Bosnian and the Serb war.. I believe you said Nevada? SP: Oh yeah. ah. I call it “crisis management. where literally the police came and just took me away. And that means that they are using bin Laden in a way that the United States government or you call Big Brother is basically using it in a very. It’s just sheer nonsense. AJ: And you are saying earlier that you brushed up against this at an airport. how should I say this. it’s a pretext to get. They are not very good at controlling this. It’s been in the Washington Times. I said there is a lot of things going on here that don’t make sense. you name it. you are the guy that coined the phrase. And I said. AJ: A pretext to get more control. Because it’s really. it has really discredited the ability of the government to handle a simple situation without having to insult the intelligence of the American citizen. oh yeah that’s true but he’s got an explanation for it. Pieczenik. to evacuating our civilians. to going into hot spots in Cambodia and trying to stop Pol Pot from another killing field and still being on the hit list of a lot of terrorist groups all over the world. Pieczenik is calling the classic term “blowback” – the bad boy getting out of control and this report of him in the American hospital. SP: I use what is called. ah. I don’t know if I would say more control. look you know. they still want Interview of Steve R. getting nursed back to health. that the whole family – the notion that the family of bin Laden when they evacuated and left this country and then was subsequently interviewed. the CIA asset during the ‘80s. said they had no relation with bin Laden and that they didn’t know where he was and all that nonsense. in evacuating our soldiers.S. I said am I under arrest? They said no. but I’ve used it for most of my life and basically every crisis from Arafat. SP: Well. I don’t have a very good explanation.2002 Seite 10 .” I’m not sure I’m the original one. And then what Dr. I said. well I won’t use that language on the air what I said to them but basically. you name it. in a very dangerous way to manipulate the American public. can say. a former undersecretary of State and member of the CFR. nefarious. Please elaborate doctor. AJ: We are talking about Osama bin Laden. I said what are you holding me for? And. right into the early ‘90s and now the mainstream reports here out of Europe and the U. can I tell you. And so when that popped up and I saw that. Nevada. Dr. They didn’t answer anything. AJ: And again. what are you after? They searched me three to four times. “conflict management” or. I’ve written these profiles. ah. according to the press reports. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. SP: Well. or did you. in Reno. this kind of activity is just totally unacceptable for the United States of America.
because this is in all the evidence that I have.. AJ: Alright. he was one of few that knew that he had a kidney problem. SP: Well. the President of Pakistan. What are you saying. So. it’s not a good situation but it basically says to me that this is an orchestrated type of war and I think that I didn’t want to believe it for a very long time.. They. Well. on infowars. me. what are you saying? SP: Well what I am saying is. Northwoods. AJ: They knew the blowback was coming and allowed it to happen. I have over a hundred mainstream articles. the family is in bed with the Bushes back in the mid-70s. I mean working around all these people. my point is I’ve had these other guys up and they’re pompous.. but it’s amazing and now more and more people are saying it. they don’t even seem that smart. I am absolutely blown away. again blowback. and that report was confirmed SP: That was confirmed that he had kidney disease. I’d appreciate it Alex.com in the government prior knowledge section. And I think that Musharraf. they created bin Laden. Again. they use him. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. Bush. And. doctor. I mean. But look. AJ: Okay doctor. Everybody thought he had a heart disease AJ: Exactly. called the American hospital. what happened there is that we have Bush. knowing fully well that he would die. all I did was pay dues. dealing with the bin Laden family and then going to war with this organization that we effectively created in 1970s and 80s. boil it down for us. Jr. to have you up on this show. So if you could use another title. Everybody knew that and then there was a blowback.2002 Seite 11 . but we have him in this American. and I hope I’m wrong. That wasn’t well known before. Compared to having another talk show host on. I mean I didn’t know which direction you were going to go and I just had some of the transcripts from another interview that you did. SP: I don’t want you to think of me as a CFR. I mean. you name it. And that was the conversion. when we drove out the Soviet Union.. I’m haven’t attended a meeting in four or five years. of the young mujahideen where we gave them armament through the CIA again and that was no great secret. but Interview of Steve R. I mean here you are talking about this bin Laden situation – give us your intel on that or what you have heard of the info you have. everything you are saying makes sense and we have had other CFR people on here couple of times and they are elitists. I mean there are so many. but you seem very intelligent and obviously so. a former deputy secretary of state. government documents. And that is. Sr. and you are talking about a stage-managed war. you just said it. spelled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan. what I am saying is that I am coming to the same conclusion that you came to. And then I said that somebody is orchestrating something here with the agreement of the bin Laden family. I mean as a deputy assistant.
of Defense. is the FBI has to evacuate the entire family. you wouldn’t say to everybody there. Alex. exactly. those of you who are particularly – fighter pilots understand this. yet we don’t really know who did it. psyops guy. Those guys were sleepers. you’d get a good idea of that. AJ: You know this is incredible. SP: That’s exactly right. you know. AJ: That’s another red flag. there’s some new document or news release or public statement. but I’ll put all together and it’s not a good picture. you’ve got jets flying out of Florida and Boston ferrying this Royal family out of here. The Manchurian Candidate. a sleeper is a concept that came out and it’s actually. So. they are agents that are trained that came out of the old cold war where the Russians would create and have individuals who were trained to kill and then they would be activated many years later. and I think you would remember this. Well. does your audience understand what. more and more evidence points to the fact that somehow. worked in four administrations. the one flying that plane into the Dept. The same guys who were in Iran-Contra dealings. so would your audience. given who the people are that they appointed to the Dept. If you were to go into a criminal scene or investigation. That was a big mistake. worked with Tom Clancy. when all other aircraft are grounded. I mean you’ve got to explain. yeah there was an attack on the World Trade Center. I can’t put that all together. if you wanted to know who the culprit is. in other words. what’s going on here? And then the last one is of course is the fourth plane which had seventy-five minutes. and then Interview of Steve R. if bin Laden did it. AJ: What was a sleeper? SP: The guy. and you say oh that’s the culprit. another smoking gun that I didn’t even put in my 144-minute tour de force film that’s has so much evidence every 5 seconds. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. of Defense? That’s unbelievable and that was a sleeper. And that is. then why was the first mention and the first order that was given.2002 Seite 12 . We’ve got one of the pre-eminent hostage negotiators. You’ve got them. let’s get rid of the whole family and not ask anybody any questions. other than the military. You can’t fly at about three or four-hundred feet off the ground and at seventy-five minutes out. And so the question becomes. of Defense. very tightly controlled and they are managing something that doesn’t make sense to me. they were civilians who had never been in the military. AJ: MKUltra mind control SP: MKUltra mind control. you have to go out to the Chesapeake and the ocean and you are telling me that we couldn’t get fighter planes in there? When we had already had two attacks and you are telling me that that was not a military pilot who was trained to crash into the Dept. If you saw the movie. And then you have the same people who are involved with Saddam Hussein – Cheney and you have Condoleezza Rice who really wasn’t all that much impression and the same whole cast. And the president shows and says well here I have the evidence that bin Laden did it.
We’ll be right back with our guest. I’m not going back and letting American soldiers die – for something that may have been concocted or created. But I was offered an O7. the reason that I went public.. he had been a former secretary of defense. I am shaken by this. David Schippers. Go ahead. I’m not denying that we were attacked. AJ: Doctor. I never really got paid much for what I did... like FDR allowing the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. he is best-selling author..Deputy Assistant Secretary of State. I’m a singleton basically and I work on my own and I work for my country. that was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. And I said these guys are in trouble and I’m going out publicly to say this can’t continue. The question is who did what and how it was orchestrated and if it was orchestrated. you know. I’m not going back to war. you know. Cheney was just outright lying and he committed a crime by violating an embargo. SP: It is very disturbing to me Alex as it is to anyone of our American citizens who is not buying it. You know. SP: Well. Dr. I’m glad that more and more Americans are concerned about government prior knowledge and involvement in allowing September 11th to take place. Then the door is open and they are allowed to come in . said basically the same things on this show and more and more great American inside the system. And. AJ: So why did you decide to start going public with this? Was it getting. you name it and he is concerned. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24.. I went public. here you are with all the information. Pieczenik. they say well if the government had prior knowledge of September 11th or allowed it to take place. I’m not telling you how great I am as an American. works with Tom Clancy. That’s why I went public – and you know that. BREAK AJ: . a lot of people don’t understand. cold warriors are blowing the whistle. he had put in a embargo on Iraq and then he denied that he didn’t know anything about the embargo – the fact that they had violated the embargo by having a $75 million joint venture with Iraq and at that point I said. It’s one thing if we are attacked by the Nazis or the Japanese or something. to go in and hype up the Islamics. and I said look I work alone. I never got a pension. which he was given $35 million for all his knowledge in oil which he had none of. then we have a real problem and that will destroy our democracy. SP: I went public with this.. They had it on the History Channel. no.. keep going. and that big corporation that he had in oil... I’ve got . the first thing that bothered me was when Vice President Cheney was (garbled) for having had at Haliburton.2002 Seite 13 . I often had to pay back most of the expenses. Alex. But as an American citizen. Interview of Steve R. how did those guys then fly aircraft into buildings? And my only point is this: all you need is a double agent like bin Laden who we know has been an asset of the CIA. well I’ve always been kind of a maverick. Not as an American citizen. Well. the guy who impeached Bill Clinton. stay right there.
you know it’s not like I just came out of the closet and I was a whistle blower. AJ: Richard Armitage. you are making a mistake by bringing in the people that you are doing. SP: You got it.. I mean. If you start talking about this. I’m a patriot and I’ve always felt strongly that the reason that I served my country is because it’s an honor to serve. Vice President. I mean I have been saying for a long time even to the individuals involved and whom I know personally in the White House and elsewhere. believe me this is a micromanager. AJ: Sagebrush rebellion. I want the audience to understand. And you are beginning to articulate it and this has been going on for well over six to nine months. example after example. There is nothing that goes by that he does not know and that’s the reason he’s got five heart attacks. because of the military precision of the Pentagon attack or even what we saw with the twin towers. too. called “State of Emergency” where I said that we are going to have fights about the devolution of federal power.2002 Seite 14 . I wrote a book about this years ago. But not one of them has ever. not one of them has served in the military.. But I don’t find him. And then what’s bothering me Alex and I think you articulated it better than I have was I didn’t want to believe what I was putting together. this guy is hooked up with the short trading. I don’t serve a institution or a government that got out of control. we got it in triplicate. even though that’s what I suspected – most Americans can’t grasp sleeper agents. SP: Is that true. So. SP: Okay. elaborate on this for us. is that what you have him on? AJ: Oh yeah. SP: Well. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24.. federal rights. Then the watch list doesn’t get to the airlines. AJ: Then their names are kept out of the Customs computers. And let’s go back to that. caught red-handed on United and American in that story. as you said. And that’s why when you get a guy like Cheney. This is earth shattering. And by the way. part of the neocon group again is a conservative group of guys who come from the extreme left that suddenly have an epiphany and go to the extreme right. seventy plus minutes to get that other plane. you are signaling to those of us who are knowledgeable these are not serious people. It was the kind of thing that I wouldn’t want to believe. to serve the people. well I’m not surprised. again. I mean. but basically it was over water rights in the Colorado River and occurred over Nevada and Arizona and that’s what’s happening – it’s States vs. Fifty-eight minutes they had to shoot down the second plane that hit the World Trade Center and. and then somebody with an incredible track record and serious resume like yourself comes out with an analysis that I don’t even come out with on the air.. it’s earth shattering for me.. other than Armitage. And something is going on here. These are people who have caused problems in the past. So one of the reasons that I was concerned is that we’re heading in for a war that is partly orchestrated by us and we went into Afghanistan and that was one of the Interview of Steve R.
because not only am I a physician but having been in wars. This is one of the most riveting shows we have ever done. seeing these boys die for who. you are going to see me retaliate. its says that in one of the bios.. dishonest guys in the world. I’m going to help bring you down because you don’t play with the American public and their freedom. that we made a mistake.as long as I live and I have a breath. Everything that we were going after. twenty years before. AJ: Professor. Unocal. I have to be honest with you. you’ve got Cheney. to make sure that we had the freedom of the individual and that the individual was more important than the State. AJ: And that is why our country has produced so much and now it’s all being squandered. And I’m saying. we’ve got to break again. Alex. And that started to explain to me – well. they are concerned about that pipline. I warned them. I will still fight for that constitution. It’s amazing to have you on the air with us and I know you don’t want to be called professor. We went through this before after ten years. We used these war lords as the surrogates for fighting instead of American soldiers. Well. the oil boys. what you think you are. phoniest things that I have ever seen where General Kelly said. American soldiers’ lives that I value. You can check it in front of the Congressional committee and UNOCAL and that’s one of the big five put up one-hundred billion to put up an oil pipeline up to the Caspian Sea to that base where they found trillions of gallons of barrels of oil and we could dump the Middle East that way. then I started checking the records. you’ve got the Carlyle Group and then you’ve got the neocons forcing us to get into wars with people who have weapons of mass destruction. I don’t care who you are. put up a one-hundred billion dollar bid and this is open record.2002 Seite 15 . Doctor. The constitution was based. Trust me. again. for whom.. And you don’t play with lives. and the answer is no . quite frankly. It goes back to the Carlyle Group and Unocal. When you mess with that. we’ll be back after this quick break. I’m an American. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. they took in and made their exchanges and then it had to do with issues of a pipeline being put down in the north of Afghanistan. I said if I can help you up there and I helped both Bushes to get elected. Interview of Steve R. And I warned the White House. So. what your name is. SP: No way. there are a lot of countries that have weapons of mass destruction. knows that they are the most distrustful. I though that you were going to come on and make excuses for what happened with the bin Ladens being in with the Bushes and. BREAK AJ: Steve. What happened it was a revolving door. created by men who understood what it meant not to centralize power. I mean anyone who knows the war lords. al Qaeda. and he finally admitted. The one thing you don’t do as an American is you don’t play and mess with my constitutional freedom. what is this a joke? I mean what idiot is going to believe that. So what is this nonsense about suddenly we win a war in Kandahar and Mazar-e-Sharif in twenty minutes and it turns out we didn’t win anything. you got Bush. They run narco traffic through Afghanistan. That doesn’t mean we go to war with them. Some of the people who are involved because they know me well.
you are incompetent. And we were in deep trouble.2002 Seite 16 . They are producing more than we are. Not for the president who’s elected. We’ve become a third-world country. it’s not a democracy but we created for ourselves is common royalty. What we have created. PS: Sure. Right now you’ve got China is a big problem. PS: Let me recap it very simply so that I make my position. And that’s why I’m not in this administration or others. I’ve never heard of such idiocy. So. You got the color red. I have not just suddenly come out of the closet. Leave us alone. I knew we would never have a chance to deal with the hostage negotiation and like chess. you lose a lot of time.COM Interview of Steve R. I don’t want to go that far but the point is what came out of the seventy-six billion dollars. totally emasculated. Let’s us do what we do. Tom Ridge. SS stood for. I‘ve come out in a very distinct position my whole life. Secretary. yellow. No man. believe me. And they think they are that indispensable and the answer is no man is indispensable to lead this country. that will be the day. a nice man. And the reason why I come back in is because I cleaned it up for the American public. And that’s what I believe in. Seventy-six billion dollars for a man who has never run anything. as a governor who doesn’t know anything. PS: Well. That’s the way I viewed it. green and blue to tell me. not for the people there because they have become too self-important. And what are we sending out – billions of dollars. He never saw a terrorist in his life. I said Mr. PS: We are not producing anything Alex. I stand by what I believe. Don’t get in my back pocket and don’t come into my bedroom. I mean Cyrus Vance is proud that he resigned on Carter but I resigned over Cyrus Vance’s handling of the Iran hostage siege because he sent me one of these left wing nuts by the name of Ramsey Clark. We are creating a nonsense organization. what am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do? AJ: They are going to have nightly alerts and FEMA is going to activate our TV and radios. The American way of life is very simple. And when you get to that point where we have to salute the flag – we have five different police forces here in Washington and jet planes flying overhead. Pieczenik – Alex Jones Show – April 24. they told us. I have served different administrations not because I served the administration but I served the American public.INFOWARS. And every citizen is indispensable. there is a lot that hit the fan. Homeland Security. AJ: I’ve heard of Homeland Security – that’s what Sturm Stoffel. WWW. When they called me in. I was the only one who resigned. AJ: Recapping before we get into any other subjects that you’d like to discuss. Give me a break. That’s how I believe. when you open up the move. And so I quit and that’s the kind of guy I am.
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