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COMMENT: I didn’t even get out of the first paragraph (from Part 1) and Have a question.

Ar en’t there 2 fillings of Holy Spirit? Even Acts 8 says it. Acts 8:13 “Even Simon himself believed. After being baptized, he stayed constantly with Philip and was amazed when he saw the signs and great miracles that took p lace. 14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15The two went down and prayed fo r them that they might receive the Holy Spirit 16(for as yet the Spirit had not come upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus ). 17Then Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Sp irit. 18Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of th e apostles’ hands, he offered them money, 19saying, ‘Give me also this power so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.’ RESPONSE: I knew that question was coming and I have 2 answers. Yes for one time event, an d yes for 2 separate events!

This is a debate in the body of Christ. The standard Pentecostal teaching is 2 e vents. First Holy Spirit comes to live inside when you get born again. The secon d is when you get what is called the Baptism of Holy Spirit when someone prays f or you, lays hands on you, or you ask for it, and the evidence is speaking in to ngues. So the debate rages on several levels. a) is the baptism of Holy Spirit a second event, and b) is it evidenced only by speaking in tongues. The major schools are: 1) It is only evidenced by speaking in tongues whether you get it in the first ( born again) or second event (Baptism of Holy Spirit) 2) It is evidenced by a changed life with or without tongues 3) It comes when you get born again 4) It only comes as a second event 5) Other (I am sure there are more I just don’t recall any right now)

Concerning Holy Spirit: Here is one job definition of Jesus - Matt 3:11 “I indeed baptize you with water u nto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather hi s wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

So Jesus came to baptize (immerse through and through with nothing left un-immer sed – so if a sealed bottle fell into the sea, if the seal was intact, it was not baptized. If the seal was broken and water went inside the bottle, then it was b aptized) men in Holy Spirit – immerse and soak through and through. And second, th at men shall be baptized with fire – through and through. These are 2 things of th e things Jesus came to get done – baptize men with Holy Spirit and with fire.

Here we are told specifically that Jesus did not Himself baptize with water. Joh n 4:4 “When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made an d baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but h is disciples,)”

And that clears up any confusion here: John 3:22 “After these things came Jesus an d his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and bap tized.”

So unless you read a reference like Math 3 (and similar is all 3 other gospels) then you know Jesus came to baptize with Holy Spirit and fire, and the apostles/ disciples baptized with water. But if it just says “baptized” you do not know if it was in/with Holy Spirit, fire or water or all three.

In spite of that, most think that when it says they were “baptized” most assume wate r, but this is not guaranteed. You have to work within the context. But if Jesus did it, then it is either in/with Holy Spirit or fire, not water. If men did it , then it was either water or to receive Holy Spirit.

Here we are told what happened on the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago was a uniq ue event that had never happened before but was now being done by God. Jesus des cribed this in terms of the “promise of the Father (God)” and by implication and lat er clarification in Galatians, this is the promise made to Abraham by God.

Gal 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse fo r us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we mi ght receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” Jesus, as a Jew, came among the Jews so we, Jews and Gentiles/non-Jews, could receive Holy Spirit as was pro mised to the Jews because of Abraham their father.

Jesus said: Luke 24:49 “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with dunamis/power from o n high.”

Because the actual effects of power, the power Holy Spirit gifts, the assumption is that this is a second event from first being born again.

In either case, this is a unique event fulfilled to and for Abraham so is the fu llness of any other filling or coming upon of Holy Spirit in times past. Acts 1:4 “And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” And after 40 days with Jesus, Peter described the events of that Pentecost 2000 years ago as fulfillment of the promise to Abraham (and perhaps David). Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gif t of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and t o all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Here this promise includes remission of sin and the gift of Holy Spirit. Or as I would explain it, they could enter the remission of sin Jesus obtained by His s oul, body, blood and spirit so they could receive the gift of Holy Spirit.

And John explained that men receiving Holy Spirit is to be glorified with God. John 7:38 “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly s hall flow rivers of zao/living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)” And when you believed the gospel of your soteria/salvation, you are permanently sealed with Holy Spirit as the guarantee that God will get what He paid for and you entered into when you believed. Eph 1:12 “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Chris t. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your soteria/salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is the earnest of our inheritance unt il the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

So we conclude from this that when you get born again by believing the gospel of your soteria/salvation, you get Holy Spirit permanently inside you (sealed) unt il the Day of Redemption, which is after the Day of Judgment.

For those who say the only evidence of the baptism of Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues: From Wikipedia: There are five places in the New Testament where speaking in ton gues is referred to explicitly: · Mark 16:17, which records the instructions of Christ to the apostles, includ ing his description that “they will speak with new tongues” as a sign that would fol low “them that believe” in him. Many scholars take Mark 16:8 as the original ending and believe the ending (Mark 16:9-20) was written later. (see Mark 16) This assu

mes that all the apostles already knew what tongues were as it also happened in the Old Testament. · Acts 2, which describes an occurrence of speaking in tongues in Jerusalem at Pentecost, though with various interpretations. Specifically, “every man heard th em speak in his own language” and wondered “how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?” · Acts 10:46, when the household of Cornelius in Caesarea spoke in tongues, an d those present compared it to the speaking in tongues that occurred at Pentecos t in Acts 2. · Acts 19:6, when a group of approximately a dozen men spoke in tongues in Eph esus as they received the Holy Spirit while the apostle Paul laid his hands upon them. · 1 Cor 12, 13, 14, where Paul discusses speaking in “various kinds of tongues” as part of his wider discussion of the gifts of the Spirit; his remarks shed some light on his own speaking in tongues as well as how the gift of speaking in tong ues was to be used in the church and in private prayer. But there is no referenc e on how Paul or anyone else got the gift of tongues. Of the 3 in Acts, in two (Acts 2 and 10) they speak in tongues when they first b elieve and get born again. It all happened at one time, Acts 2 with the apostles and then in Acts 10 and 11 in the house of Cornelius.

Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall c all. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Sozo/Save y ourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his w ord were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thous and souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowsh ip, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.”

When the 3,000 repented on the Day of Pentecost after Peter explained it to them , it only says they were “baptized” in verse 41 but not how or with what. So that co uld include just baptized with Holy Spirit, just baptized with water or both. Th e standard is both. And this verse is used by many who experience speaking in to ngues after or as they are water baptized.

Now when you believe God raised Jesus from the dead to get born again, that is n ot directly observable. For most there is a time gap between believing God raise d Jesus from the dead and any outward confession or action, be it a prayer or wa ter baptism or even having someone lay hands on you. If you believe that God rai sed Jesus from the dead or that Jesus is the Son of God first, then Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues is valid for water baptism as a second even t. If you believe that it depends on water baptism, then it looks like a single event.

Now in this verse Peter does imply water baptism for the remission of sins: Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of

the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to al l that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”

But nowhere does it say they spoke in tongues or that they had another event to go through to get Holy Spirit as Peter said: 38 … “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall rece ive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

Many (standard Pentecostal/Assembly of God/Church of God/etc.) teach the apostle s and 120 got born again when Jesus came back from the dead in John 20:22, but i t does not tell us the same 120 of the Day of Pentecost were the same ones that saw Jesus, or that Jesus breathed Holy Spirit on them, in John 20:22, but this w as not what happened on the Day of Pentecost. The events of Holy Spirit on that Day of Pentecost were unique to that Day. I have not heard those who teach this as John 20:22 is when the apostles got “born again” also describe the full story to fit the subsequent Day of Pentecost and those not ”born again” in John 20:22.

Remember, when Jesus breathed on them, Thomas was not there as well as many othe rs. Jesus in Acts 1 tells us that what happened in Acts 2 is the baptism of Holy Spirit. So even if 10 of the apostles where “born again” in John 20:22, there is no description that all the 120 had had Holy Spirit “breathed” on them in John 20:22. So they obviously got “born again” and “Holy Spirit baptized (filled) on the Day of Pe ntecost in one action and not 2 separate events.

But those who say there are 2 events usually teach the apostles and the other 12 0 got “born again” in John 20:22, but that is a bit more assumption than is revealed in the Scriptures. If you say what happened in Acts 2 is the same as Acts 10 in the house of Cornelius, then they in Acts 10 obviously had not been born again, but when they believed God raised Jesus from the dead, Holy Spirit fell on them “as on us.” And the evidence was that they also spoke in tongues.

It takes no assumptions to believe that no one was born again until that day of Pentecost and that the baptism of Holy Spirit is when you get born again like ha ppened in Acts 10 among the Gentiles. Furthermore, those in John 20:22 were just those in the room at the time, and has little meaning for us today. Few report that Jesus came and breathed on them to get born again even today.

In Acts 19 they heard them speak in tongues when Paul lays hands on them to rece ive Holy Spirit. This is the strongest for saying it is a second event. But when Paul had his Damascus road experience (Acts 9), Ananias came and laid hands for Paul to receive Holy Spirit and it does not say Paul spoke in tongues then. Fro m 1 Cor 12 and 14 we know that he at some time did, and he did it a lot - “more th an ye all.”

Acts 9:17 “And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his h ands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in

the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as i t had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.” Since it does not say, that last phrase “was baptized” could mean water or Holy Spir it baptism or both. In Acts 8 where Simon sees the effect of receiving Holy Spirit, but it does not say they spoke in tongues, but one can assume they did so it was visible to Simo n with people speaking in tongues. Now John the Baptist described that the baptism of Holy Spirit and fire is what Jesus came to give. This is again referred to in Acts 1, that the Day of Penteco st is what Jesus came to baptize in spirit and in fire. So this was not what hap pened in John 20:22. Most agree that when you get born again that is only by Holy Spirit burning out the sin in your spirit so He can dwell there. Based on what John the Baptist and Jesus said, this fits the gospel description of baptism in Holy Spirit. And thi s happens when you get born again and Holy Spirit comes to live inside. Or the b aptism of fire could mean the Day of Judgment of 1 Cor 3 where your life work is tested by fire. So what is the Pentecostal 2nd Event Baptism in Holy Spirit? First look as history. People have been getting born again since Jesus and only a few speak in tongues when that happens. I have a friend who says that was typi cal for the people in her part of Tennessee. There was no second event. People s poke in tongues when they “accepted” Jesus or when they got water baptized. But in n either case did anyone lay hands or ask for a filling of Holy Spirit. I heard fo r years that people who got water baptized in Russia and China came out of the w ater speaking in tongues and they were not considered Pentecostal. For the Pentecostal main stream starting around 1900 in the US, people were seek ing the evidence of the baptism of Holy Spirit as a second experience after bein g born again because they/most were not speaking in tongues or operating in powe r with signs, wonders and healings, yet they knew they were born again. So when they got it, they called it a second event and found scriptures to “prove” it. But o f the three times mentioned in Acts, two had tongues when they got born again as evidence of Holy Spirit baptism and not as a second event (Acts 2 and 10). Around 1905 John Lake had a more powerful healing ministry before he got what he called “the Baptism in Holy Spirit” with speaking in tongues. So he operated in far more power than many who today say they have “the Baptism of Holy Spirit” as eviden ced by speaking in tongues. So who is right? I don’t know. I can argue many points or sides. I try to avoid debate on it.

What I am sure of is that when you get born again, Holy Spirit comes to live ins ide, is sealed permanently to you, and that is what John the Baptist and Jesus d escribed at the “baptism of Holy Spirit.” Because that is what makes Christians a di fferent or new kind of creature, Holy Spirit dwelling in a human.

In the Old Testament Holy Spirit came on people for all kinds of things, so Holy Spirit coming on just for power is not new. But whatever Jesus did was somethin

g that had never been before or else He would not have needed to come and die. And one could argue that Holy Spirit came upon Jesus at conception and then as t he baptism of Holy Spirit when Father God gave Jesus Holy Spirit in a different way at the water baptism of John. So this is considered the baptism of Holy Spirit of Jesus as a second event, and the beginning of Jesus in His power ministry: Matt 3:14 “But John forbad him, say ing, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus ans wering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, wen t up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, an d he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my agape/beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” My Experience: I came to the Lord as Lord in the mid 70’s. I asked Jesus to baptiz e me with Holy Spirit from reading a book and I opened my mouth and just a grunt came out. A few months later I joined a Catholic Charismatic Prayer group and i n the very first meeting spoke freely in tongues and sang in tongues as if I had done it all my life. I know I had asked for it, expected I had it, and when I s aw what they were doing and sounding like, I just joined in knowing I could. I was raised as Catholic almost from birth. So every early in life I believed th at God raised Jesus from the dead. I also believed Jesus is the Son of God, but without a Jewish background, I had not idea what that meant. I ”knew” Jesus was aliv e and in Heaven as my forever Friend. But as I grew older, I saw little eveidence of Jesus in action and by the time I was 13 or so, considered these facts “nice” but of little relevance. By the time I was 16 or so, I was a functional atheist or agnostic, but still attended church with my family. God was there, so honor Him some, but otherwise, God is of littl e relevance. Among the Catholics in the Charismatic Renewal, what we finally said what this: “I f you do not think you have Holy Spirit or want more or want tongues, we will pr ay and lay hands and you will get “the Baptism” or a release and speak in tongues.” So I have led many to the Lordship of Jesus and laid hands and they spoke in tongu es. My attitude is that if you are not free to speak and sing at will in tongues , I will minister and you will be. Call it a second event or a release from the first event, getting born again, or even sacramental confirmation, I don’t care as long as you finally know you have received Holy Spirit, He is sealed within you and you can freely speak and sing in tongues by actually doing them. For Catholics we called it a second event that was more focused than Confirmatio n. We avoided debate over “right or wrong” or first and second, and just went for re sults in Jesus’ name. When I was confirmed in the Catholic Church at around age 12 I was told I would receive Holy Spirit then, but no one spoke in tongues that I am aware of, nor we re we told to expect it. We were advised that there may be some “special manifesta tions” when we were confirmed, so don’t be worried, but I saw or heard none. As a result of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal I spent over 35 years among the Pentecostals and only heard of getting “it” when you get born again from some Vineya rd people just about 4 years ago. Until then I heard of it only as a second even t. Funny thing is, many of the Vineyard people speak in tongues and do miracles, often more than the “second event” Pentecostals and Charismatics do.

I am told that only about 1/3 of the Pentecostals and Charismatics actually spea k in tongues today. And most of them cannot do it at will, but need some form of “excitement.” The Vineyard Church teaches that when you get born again you also get Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. So they expect it and many do. So from my view we all have convoluted language to stress one view or the other. And all of these views have holes, and all have some merit. The Blood: One more thing on all of this about when you get Holy Spirit baptism. The following discussion only has relevance for those room with Jesus in John 20, and the others up to the s ago. For us today, we fit in with those who had the ter that first Pentecost, where Holy Spirit was given than ever before. select few who were in the Day of Pentecost 2000 year Gospel preached to them af in a new and different way

A lot of this, for exactly when the apostles or early disciples in got born agai n, rests on when did Jesus go to heaven and place His blood on the heavenly merc y seat for the remission of the sins of mankind. If Jesus did it as part of His immediate resurrection, then anyone after the res urrection, including the 500 or so who saw Him, we all born again, including all 120 on that Day of Pentecost. What we do know is that as Jesus appeared at the tomb He said He had not yet gone to the Father. John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Fa ther: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and you r Father; and to my God, and your God.” This is assumed to mean that as of that mo ment, Jesus had not put His blood on the heavenly mercy seat, but that is not wh at Jesus said. He said “Father” and not “mercy seat.” If Jesus did not put His blood on the heavenly mercy seat until after He ascende d, some 7-10 days before the Day of Pentecost, then no one could get born again until after the Day of Pentecost.

Acts 1:8 “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in S amaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of the ir sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behol d, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee , why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from yo u into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” While the blood and mercy seat is not mentioned, we believe it was part of the p rocess to allow Holy Spirit to come on the Day of Pentecost. And for all of mank ind after that Pentecost, it is of no real concern of when Jesus’ blood was actual ly place on the heavenly mercy seat, for it is there now! As you know from Discovering Our Redemption that it is not without argument as t o when Jesus placed His blood on the mercy seat. Those who espouse the Baptism o f Holy Spirit as a second event, say it was part of His resurrection on day 3. But that does not solve the problem of the house of Cornelius in Acts 10, where they only believed as Peter spoke and they got born again and baptized by Holy S pirit, and that followed by water baptism.

But for us today and those in Acts 10, that powerful blood of Jesus has been pla ced on the heavenly mercy seat and for us there is no debate on when it happened or the process for that first 120. That part is done forever. So this debate on ly applies to the 120 on that Day of Pentecost, and perhaps some in the crowd of 3000 on that Day of Acts 2. For those in Acts 10, Gentiles like you and me, it was all one event. So then yo u have 1 of the 3 events in Acts describing this, stating explicitly and directl y, that they got it in one event with evidence of speaking in tongues. So to me the answer is not clear on this debate. One exception shows your rules are not complete if you state your rules are for all cases.

Dr. Lake and EW Kenyon were there when they formed the Assembly of God/Church of God denomination (I am not sure which) and neither one joined, nor did many oth er Pentecostals of their day. I have never read their arguments, but I did read Kenyon’s, and I think he would agree with the Vineyard Church one-event teaching f or baptism of Holy Spirit. That many have evidenced it by speaking in tongues is true. If tongues is the on ly evidence, then one could argue that even witches, sorcerers and warlocks, inc luding the Mormons, claim to speak in a form of tongues. I have to trust the pow er of the blood and name of Jesus to be the key. If you say the only evidence of Holy Spirit baptism is speaking in tongues, then history records many who spoke in tongues as they accepted Christ or were water baptized. For those who did upon a “decision for Christ” then it is perhaps a oneti me event. For those who did upon water baptism, then perhaps it is a second even t.

Back in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal this was a big subject, with many Prote stant and Catholic theologians, and Greek and Hebrew scholars all over the place on this. After all the Catholics (along with the Lutherans, Episcopalians and A nglicans) already had a second event called Confirmation that implies Holy Spiri t baptism. So the Catholic (and Episcopalian, Lutheran and Anglican) Charismatic Renewal caused them no end of problems. They already had a theology and sacred rite, and it was not working like they saw almost every day in the late 70’s.

Me, I am a workman. I found out what works in and by the name of Jesus, and do t hat. So I never heard the final debates, whatever they were/are.

But I have never heard the Assemblies or Church of God change their second event dogma and neither have the Catholics who claim it happens during Confirmation. And a recent Catholic Confirmation rite I saw looked pretty similar to what I ha d experienced some 50 years ago, and no one in that process seemed to speak in t ongues or any other manifestations. So little seems to have changed.

Yet I have seen and personally ministered to many Catholics, Assembly of God, Ch urch of God, United Pentecostal and others who claimed to be born again, claimed to be Holy Spirit baptized yet could not speak in tongues. We ministered and ou

r success rate is very high to get them to reaffirm their new birth, Holy Spirit indwelling and then speaking in tongues.

What I Tend to Do: Why am I going to spend a lot of time debating what others mo re knowledgeable than me debate? To my knowledge we get people born again, Holy Spirit baptized and speaking freely in tongues rather easily in spite of the deb ates.

Since the answer is not clear in Scripture to me, I focus on the actual practice . If you are not a Christian, I will work to get you born again, know you have H oly Spirit and speaking in tongues. If you are a Christian and do not speak free ly in tongues, I will work to get you free.

After all this, it seems you can get baptized in Holy Spirit with evidence of sp eaking in tongues by: a) Laying on of hands b) Personal prayer c) Others pray for you with no laying on of hands d) Making a decision for Christ e) Getting water baptized f) Reading the scriptures on it and then just doing it

In my books I just include asking Jesus to give His Spirit right after the confe ssion that God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus is Lord to get you born agai n and “saved.” That way you at least know you asked and that God did give you Holy S pirit. We go into more detail on this in Discovering Our Redemption.

If you want to debate, then I ask if you and every member of your church are wal king dynamically just like Jesus in power and agape love. Having been among the Charismatics/Pentecostals for many years, I already know the sad answer. So I qu it asking.

I think the Bible expectation for the Christian is that you get baptized in wate r and in Holy Spirit, and you speak in tongues along with or after you get born again.

The primary issue of God in Scripture seems to be not when, but that you experie nce what is called “Baptism in Holy Spirit” and do speak and sing in Holy Spirit ton gues freely. In fact 1 Cor 12 and 14 command us to seek all the gifts, including tongues. And do not forget to get prophesy also. So a Christian who does not fr

eely, at-will speak and sing in tongues, needs some truth teaching and perhaps m inistry to get free.

So I try to avoid debate. I focus on the expected behavior of Christians is to b e water and Holy Spirit baptized, and to speak and sing freely in tongues. If so meone debates and they quote a scripture, I usually agree with the scripture and just go back and focus on the expected outcome. I really do not care about your theology, if you are born again and not free, then you need to know Holy Spirit is in you and to be able to speak and sing freely in tongues.

I follow the mandate just like in healing: “If there is resistance to any promise of God, it is a devil, not God. It is a devil in lies you believe and/or active presence. Get rid of the lies with truth-Scripture and get rid of the devil with aiteo commands.” Luke 10:19-20 is a great starting place.

I don’t spend a lot of time with breaking curses etc. unless it is obvious there i s a demon hindering them. I do not get them to spend a lot of time confessing si ns as there is no evidence of this in the New Testament as a way to get free in tongues. It may be a block the devil has built up, and if led by Holy Spirit, I will deal with it over the power of the work of Jesus (grace) and not the power of their confession (works). Nothing seems to work until they are saying “thank yo u” and not “God please forgive.”

I do find many who have been told that Holy Spirit baptism is a dramatic event w here God overwhelms you and fills you with many dramatic events and feelings. So me are waiting for this kind of dramatic event, others are terrified of it.

I focus on that fact that the Scripture says we have a choice: 1 Cor 14:15 “What i s it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding a lso: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.” There are several uses for tongues: 1. In a meeting 2. Personal prayer (needs, edification, power, and agape love) 3. Small group prayer 4. Public events

I think the expected standard is that as easily as you can choose to pray or sin g in your own language (understanding), you can pray and sing in tongues (with t he spirit). And that you speak and sing in tongues often and freely, while you w alk in Jesus’ power and agape love. Then I break the spirit of fear and command it and its works to go in the name of Jesus, aiteo God to help them, and many time s they become free in speaking in tongues.

I meet a lot of people with all kinds of spiritual backgrounds, so I treat them all as if they are not born again, and do not have Holy Spirit baptism, and do n ot speak in tongues unless they prove different. So like Paul I ask, “Have ye rece ived the Holy Ghost since ye believed?” (Acts 19:2). Then I ask, “Do you speak and s ing freely in tongues now?” If the answer is “No” to either or both questions, I then minister, lay hands and get them to speak in tongues.

Jesus said: Luke 11:13 “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto y our children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to t hem that aiteo/ask him?” So Jesus expected that if you are a person of God and do not have Holy Spirit, aiteo demand as due by covenant promise and Father God wil l give you Holy Spirit. Now we know that Holy Spirit is the covenant promise of Abraham, and so you can aiteo as needed. While Luke 11:13 technically is before the Day of Pentecost, and does not in any way reference what happened on that Day, many use it now to get people baptized in Holy Spirit, and God responds anyway and they do get Holy Spirit with eviden ce of speaking and singing in tongues. Also many ask God to fill them again with Holy Spirit as a matter of prayer, usu ally for a specific purpose, and God does that also. I would say, “Lord, help me c lear out my soul so I hear and obey You better,so fill me with Your Spirit anew.” While there is plenty of room to debate the details, the issue is “do you have Hol y Spirit, and do you speak in tongues?” If not, let us fix that.

If you do, let’s go bust some devils, and set people free in agape love and truth. Jesus tells us we will get power when we get Holy Spirit baptism. So the issue i s not more power, but how to release what we already have. If that is not your b asis, then you are not standing on truth and your castle will fall.

On Being Filled With Holy Spirit To me that is a different question. While the scriptures in Acts use the term “fil led with the Spirit” it is also used in Ephesians. Eph 5:15 “See then that ye walk c ircumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be (continuously being) filled with the Spirit; 19 speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns an d spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 givin g thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord J esus Christ; 21 submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.” And then to the end of the letter.

Notice verse 5:18 “but be (continuously being) filled with the Spirit.” This is what the Greek says. You may get filled upon the new birth and Holy Spirit baptism, but unless you keep your soul open by obeying the rest of Ephesians to the end o f chapter 6, you either “use up” or “leak out” or even more accurately, “block up” Holy Spi it within you. So we are commanded to live a life of continually being filled by

doing what He says here.

The issue here is not your spirit, that is born again and one with Holy Spirit, the issue is you soul (heart, mind, will and emotions). Your soul is in need of renewal, mind renewing and transformation on a continual basis.

Failure to do this leads to people who are strong on doctrine but short on agape love and power (see Rev 3). So instead keep “being filled by speaking to yourselv es in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your he art to the Lord; 20 giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God,” and then all the other things mentioned to the end of the lette r. So we can call being baptized in or by Holy Spirit as an initial filling and cer tainly your spirit is transformed, recreated in the new birth, but to operate in Holy Spirit power requires effort and maintenance. Thus the issue for those bor n again, is the soul and not our new creation spirit, which is made one with Hol y Spirit in the new birth.

Here it is again: Col 3:12 “Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and agape/ beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsufferin g; 13 forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarr el against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all thes e things put on agape/charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; a nd be ye thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, si nging with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.” And all the other things mentioned to the end of this letter.

Keep doing the bold words or else you also become hardened in heart, full of Hol y Spirit, but little life evidence and power.

So for the Christian, the issue is not getting more power, but learning to walk to the release Holy Spirit, the power of God, already in you. Otherwise you may spend a lot of time asking for what you already have and then wonder why you do not get what you already have. This is like the woodsman crying out to God to give him an axe, while a perfect and sharpened axe lays as his feet. God’s anwer is not, “I will send you one,” but, “Pic k up and use what you have.” Or as God told Moses: Ex 14:15 “And the Lord said unto Moses, Wherefore criest th ou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: 16 but lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and th e children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.”

Keep working the Word so God can Work! God Bless You and Yours in the Name of Jesus to be more Noble in Him (Acts 17:11 -12) Jesus is Lord of Heaven and Earth!

Don Donald C. Mann Speaker, teacher, navigator and author of: OK, God, Now What? Discovering Our Redemption Battle Prayer for Divine Healing-Field Manual 2 www.CovenantPeaceMinistries.com BLOG.CovenantPeace.com Twitter.com/CovenantPeace FaceBook.com/CovenantPeaceMinistries YouTube.com/CovenantPeace