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The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice, Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=694 Powered By BbBoard - http://bb.bbboy.net popandsonminers The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice, Design and Operating Guidelines 17:57:33 Sat Here's the draft version of the Popandson Sluice Design Guidelines. All the lines in the tables Jun 16 2007 didn't show-up, and the text formating is a bit off, but it's not too bad. If you want an MSWord copy by e-mail, let me know: SNDG@comcast.net. Comments/critique welcome here or by e-mail. The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice, Design and Operating Guidelines Introduction Many places in the world only have fine gold, or a significant component of the value is fine gold, which we figure is 100 mesh (150 micron) and smaller. There is a lot of existing technology capable of getting the +100 mesh, so we thought it worthwhile to go after the -100 mesh fine gold. Building on the successes of others to advance fine gold recovery technology, we experimented and tested and took the prototypes to the field and generally have had a very good time. I guess you could say we�re actually more innovators than miners, although someday we may get serious about actually recovering significant quantities of fine gold. So through trail and error, we have developed the Popandson Sluice for fine gold recovery, comprised of a series of different sizes of raised expanded metal over Nomad miner�s moss in a simple and inexpensive gravity sluice. Testing 1,2 shows recoveries of +95% of gold from 100 to 200 mesh, and +85% of gold from 200-325 mesh at small scale �production rates�. Nuggets to 5/16� are also captured.
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Figure 1. Here is a picture of an 8� wide x 6� long Popandson Sluice, looking from the head of the sluice, down.
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Figure 3. showing the hold downs as studs with wing nuts keeping the expanded metal in place. Here�s another variation.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Figure 2. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. And here. 3 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . showing better detail of the expanded and hold downs at the middle of the sluice where two lengths are bolted together.bbboy.
but would be much less than 95%.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Sluice design basis It�s useful to compare the published results from others. next post) popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. is the mix of gold fractions comprising the total values. such as �Site A demonstrated that a sluice box can recover 95% of the gold as fine as 150 mesh��5 What isn�t stated.bbboy. then the percentage of say. Design and Operating Guidelines 18:03:29 Sat (continued from previous post) Jun 16 2007 Sluice design 4 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . * Clarkson makes several references to percent recovery of fine gold. If a significant percentage was larger gold.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. with the Popandson Sluice operating guidelines. 100-150 mesh gold recovered cannot be calculated. (continued.
Schematic image of the Popandson Sluice design. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. Hold-down bars can be 3/16� or �� thick flatbar. Aluminum is best for rust and weight.bbboy. The clamps must be able to reach the hold-down bars when clamped over the upper edge of the sluice. Or. about 1-1/2� wide. 1) Clamps and hold-downs per Figure 1. use studs and 5 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM .net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Figure 4.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.
The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Compute the flows and feeds for the narrower width. clamped to the rod as the dampener. Raised expanded metal specifications. If more than 40 GPM is used. A diffuser pipe (2� pipe with �� holes drilled in it) is also effective to even the flow at the head of the sluice. Use a piece of 4-6mil clear Visqueen plastic. Make spares. the hose can be pointed down to the floor of the sluice and the slurry allowed to disperse.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 wingnuts per Figure 3. The easiest is a �crash box�. too. 6) Feel free to change any of these materials to suit what you have available or what you think will work better. 5) If the sluice is made smaller. Keene sells flares and maybe crash boxes. 13� long and threaded at each end. but a sluice flare is better as is minimizes air entrainment. 2) A lightweight dampener will improve fine gold recovery since it knocks down floating gold. Figure 5. about 11-3/4� wide and 24-30� long. McNichols 6 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . or all-thread. Use a 5/16� rod. based on the above table for a 12� wide sluice. or header box. just change the widths of all materials. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. proportionately increase the length of the components.bbboy. 3) If the quantity of water (or slurry) coming into the head of the sluice is about 40 GPM or less. about 14�-16� down from the top end and secure with wing nuts. then a device will be required to slow the velocity and stop splashing of the incoming slurry. Insert into drilled holes near the top edge of the sluice sides. 4) If the sluice is made longer. Figure 4.
or beach box. highbanker. and feed composition (size and percentage of heavy material). Feed at about 20-30 lbs/minute of minus �� material. Ratio the feeds and flows if your sluice is a different width.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. This is a good middle ground for slope and will support a significant feed rate. 200-300 and -300. Then the only variables are water flow rate. if your site only has gold down to 150 mesh. trommel. But. when the feed is a high percentage of black sand or other heavy material. Usually. Maybe +100 mesh. Run for long enough that you get a good sampling of gold sizes at clean-up.bbboy. run it at 1-1/2� slope per foot of length. then you have to make an 7 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . So. Dial-in your operation for the gold conditions. This is about as slow as you need to run for bank-run placer material. which is about 1/4�-3/8� deep water. 150-200. as long as the material will move down the sluice without stopping at the lowest water flows. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. It can also be used to advantage as a scavenger sluice behind a jig. some initial testing is in order. and run it at about 15-20 GPM. If you have enough gold to use sieves. A sluice is the last element in a gold recovery device such as a dredge. Narrower versions are used for effective concentrate clean-up sluices at low flows. centrifuge or shaker table to check for lost values. All operational instructions are based on a 12� wide sluice. and still get a high percentage recovery of this larger gold. Set up the 12� wide sluice at 1-1/2� slope. gravel feed rate. Sluice with �crash box� or �header box� Sluice operation The sluice will operate best with a maximum slurry size of ��-3/4�. 100-150. If you can�t screen. washplant.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Figure 6. screen your gold to the various cuts. you can dramatically increase flow and feed. The sluice will capture -300 gold at moderate rates of flow and feed.
But. stop the feed for about 5 seconds to let the light sands flow down the sluice. we haven�t tested that condition for percentage recovery. as well as you can. Regardless of how comfortable you become with your set-up. and Nomad strands are visible at the bottom of the diamond. But. These are estimated feeds and flows to recover a high percentage of different target fractions of gold from bank-run placer material. But when the diamond is too full of black sand. at the bottom of the moving slurry the black sand (and gold) is flowing down the sluice right at the level of the expanded metal.bbboy. if the water is clear. the vortex action cannot take place and motionless black sand fills the diamond. Production operation Once you�ve determined the target gold size. even if this should occasionally occur due to a surge. The 3/16� expanded (smallest) will be the first to get filled up with black sand and lose the ability to recover gold. also indicating the diamonds are full. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. Whatever the flow and feed are. set-up the sluice to run at the optimum setting to capture that size gold.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 eyeball estimate of the quantity of each fraction of gold. Feeds must be reduced if there is a higher percentage of heavy material. A sheet of clear plastic placed on the surface of the water makes it easy to see the dancing sands in action if the water is clear. The gold merely skims down the sluice along with the moving black sand. based on the percentage of that fraction in your sample. a slope of 4� per foot of sluice length will greatly reduce the amount of water needed. So. Low density light sand (blonds) will not fill the diamonds when operated with placer gravel at the parameters in Table 3. If healthy vortices are working. These particles just flush on through and mostly bounce their way along the top of the expanded. you are losing gold. If you see the diamonds are full of black sand or see ribbons. or where there is about 5-10% of heavy material in the solids. there will sometimes be ribbons of black sand flowing down the sluice. too. Then. the larger expanded will still be operational. occasionally catch a bucket of tailings and run it through the sluice at the min flow and feed to check for lost values. if water is scarce. The vortex in each diamond keeps the black sand and gold fluidized forcing the gold down and into the Nomad. which will be quite difficult and inaccurate. 8 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . For instance. The grains are �dancing� in the vortex. it is critical to keep the diamonds cleared-out enough to keep the black sand fluidized and to be able to see some Nomad strands in the bottom of the diamond. so reduce the feed. and all larger sizes will be caught. increase the flow of water and/or increase the slope. But. Keep the diamonds clear and watch the dancing sands The biggest cause of lost gold occurs when the diamonds become filled with dense material (usually black sand). But. find the smallest size gold that you want to target. there is a little mound of black sand at the head of each diamond. and check during this time and right after to see if you can see the dancing black sands and some Nomad.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. If the diamonds are full of black sand. you can run at the parameters in the next table. Slope is 1-1/2� per foot of sluice length: Feel free to experiment with different operating parameters.
Steve Gaber. and focus primarily on the black sand.bbboy. Randy.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 If the water is muddy. Another condition that will cause the diamonds to fill is running with a higher percentage of heavy material such as black sand.49ermike. Here�s wishing you the best of success with the Popandson Sluice design. University of British Columbia. Regards. if it is used as a clean-up sluice.net May. So. Jason Gaber ]sndg@comcast. Figure 6.bbboy. it�s more difficult to check. Ref. all the way around. Table 1 4) Clarkson. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. but you should be able to see the upper edge of the diamonds.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. PE �Placer Gold Recovery Research. tungsten compounds or red garnet material found in the Nome sands.php?az=show_topic&forum=181&topic_id=62871& sub_topic_id=62872&mesg_id=&page=#62876 2) http://bb. It takes a little practice to ignore whatever blond sand is in the diamond. stop the feed for about 5 seconds and then stop the water flow and let the water drain from the sluice. or if there is a high percentage of heavy material in the slurry. the feed must be reduced accordingly. Please send us a report of your experiences. Final Summary� Prepared for the 9 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . as we�re all still learning. �Pilot Scale study of: Fine Gold Recovery of Selected Sluicebox Configurations�.com/dc/dcboard. But. The sand in the diamonds will collapse and flatten out.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=422 3) Poling and Hamilton. 2007 References: 1)http://www.
net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Klondike Placer Miner�s Association. 9. 2. And the trip to Nome this summer was a highlight!! The text in the original post on this thread has changed a little bit. We really do have the best fun experimenting with the slui Mar 21 2008 and the more people who try it out in different conditions the more we can all learn about catchi fine gold. Design and Operating Guidelines 08:34:54 Good instructions and tips Steve and a clean. Hoppytraps Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. just 10 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . Design and Operating Guidelines Love your sluice. along with the increased volume with a dredge. expanded metal ( steel or aluminim?). One more thing that�s still not in the text of the paper: if you have gold bigger than a bb or so. Design and Operating Guidelines 18:03:19 Thank you for the great post. size of material.). 1989. There are several variations that came be used. for the kind words. The height of the ridges on the matting can vary. but have found that it is needed from running our 2" dredge this last summer.the dampener. We just let the whole flow of the dredge hose go down the sluice so there were some 1-1/2� rocks in there. why no slick plate etc. slope of skuice. Hermann Wotruba that I�ve acquired since the original version. 1990.source for miners moss. Pg. will knock loose 22 bullets from the 1� raised expanded. PE �Gold Losses at Klondike Placer Mines.mvc?Screen=PROD& Product_Code=4500P&Category_Code=4ID peluk Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Randy. Design and Operating Guidelines 15:26:30 Thu Nice job. popandsonminers. Mar 20 2008 popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Will be building one of those for our fine Ohio gold!!!! Mon Jun 18 2007 thanks again.efficient design.bbboy. Tim Dyer (maximat) the_troglodyte Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. so the 3# grating is there to catch any big gold that might find it�s way into our dredge nozzle (not yet. Will Hopkins maximat 13:38:16 Thu Mar 20 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. etc. Thanks for all the effort. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. Without further testing of it I can't say for certain what the effect is. ie. Would like to build one but would like some more info.com/Merchant2/merchant. I used 8 mil plastic with a small stick on it and the size of the fine gold retained was remarkable. Sun Jun 17 2007 Wis49er 03:05:41 Mon Jun 18 2007 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. but the biggest change is the addition of more feed and flow data from the Goldfield website and from Dr. unfortunately. Gold Recovery Project. Thank you for your time and help.keeneeng. Please send mw the PDF file you mentioned on your post. There is one thing I would like to see more about . Ref. I'd recommend that you put some 3# grating in the top of the sluice above the largest raised expanded metal. They. Design and Operating Guidelines 03:21:06 Fri Thanks everyone. 19 6)http://www. Yesterday I did a test using the concepts discussed here and found that the dampener seems to help over come flaws caused by all the different factors (water flow. Design and Operating Guidelines This is excellant documentation. Phase 1� Prepared for the Klondike Placer Miner�s Association. 5) Clarkson. We don't show that in the guidelines. The type of black matting is also important. The revised table is below.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.
bbboy. McNichols is a sure source for raised expanded metal. but very. very expensive. that is the dredge's weight per minute. which though different from yours is still WAY faster than I have ever seen anyone successfully move flowsand much less dredge: 5 cu..good and not so good. Mar 21 2008 I'd be glad to send you the Guidelines via e-mail. yds. Also.perhaps like a Keene design. or e-mail me at SNDG@comcast. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.. Popandsonminers and others.75 = 9375 lbs per foot of sluice width. Everyone but me is pretty much sold on the value of a slick plate. If you have gold much bigger than a pea. with key word "slick". You can search on posts from Peluk.net. Just send me a PM with you addy. per hour = 2500 lbs per yard (average gravels) x 5 = 12500 lbs per hour.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 lead bullets and lots of those). scrap yards and farm stores. Zooka Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. sheet metal fab shops. based upon the maker's rating.25 lbs per minute. Zooka.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Here is my math and answer. the Poling/Hamilton and Clarkson setups used 2 different widths depending on the riiffle 11 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . you should add some riffles. P&S. there are several threads that address that in detail. Design and Operating Guidelines 03:43:27 Fri Tim Dyer. Still a LOT more than I would run thru a 4" dredge. per hour. Miner's moss in small amounts is best from a Keene dealer or direct order. 9375 lbs per hour divided by 60 minutes = 156. and you can find them pretty easily. Don't forget to check the box "5 hours and older" on the search page. please post your experiences. And as far a the slick plate/no slick plate. so look around in the metal supply outlets. 12500 lbs per hour x . Design and Operating Guidelines 15:44:49 Fri Howdy. And if you use the P&S sluice design. Mar 21 2008 I was looking at your numbers in the chart above and wondered at the feed rate for the Keene 4.
cali209 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.bbboy. But regardless. The filter I found was 11" x 11". I use 125 lbs/cuft for gravel density so it comes out to 210lbs/min thruput for the Keene dredge. The Goldfield 200 yd/hr plant (100 yds to the sluice) has 15� of sluice width and uses 2000 GPM of water. I figured about half the feed was going to the sluices. 80 lbs per minute thru your sluice gives it a thruput of 80 x 60 = 4800 lbs per hour.how does one make a plant able to handle 100 cu yd per hour through a P&S riffle system? THat'd take at least 50 feet of sluice WIDTH. Look Mar 24 2008 in the screen door section and it comes in several different styles. Kind of hard to fit that info in your charts. which is in the ball park with Clarkson and P/H.whew! Quite a challenge to set up such a system. They were 2' x 2' and seem a little heavier duty. .I think only the minus 3/16� material? So it�s a lot less. -Z AceHand Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Thanks Eu_citzen Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. But by the same token. Much cheaper too. Sun Mar 23 2008 Do you guys have one of these you can sell? I surely can use this type of sluice but have no time to build one. too. Design and Operating Guidelines 10:59:41 Cali welcome to AGF. About $25 for a 30� x 30� piece. Design and Operating Guidelines 02:08:48 Mon AceHand�s post reminded me that there is also the �pet screen� at Lowes and others. Sun Mar 23 2008 popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 01:18:03 Popandson. It would be the same for a Goldfield or Clarkson setup. for instance. I reckon. I�ve heard that�s maybe 30-50% of the total feed? To arrive at the Goldfield lbs/min per foot of width. but it�s all expanded metal in the smaller sizes.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. THat makes for a pretty interesting challenge when applying it on a commercial scale . It sure beat having to order a much larger piece from a metal dealer. Just thought I'd throw this info out here for anyone having a hard time finding some. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. All these expandeds are aluminum. 12 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . Probably harder to come by though. and processed twice the material per hour in their tests.. I've also found some in commercial grease filters from a restaraunt. Your figure of less than 100lbs/cuft is probably more accurate for loose gravel. Both these raised expandeds are very similar to the type used by popandson. a 1 foot hungarian section used 2x the water as a 1 foot expanded section.. the expanded metal riffles required twice the width to handle the same volume of feed as the 1 inch hungarians. Only the minus 1� or �� would go thru the sluice. I also found 6" x 10' rolls of 3/16" used as a leaf barrier for home gutters. Design and Operating Guidelines 01:40:44 Sat While the larger expanded can be found easily. yards per hour per foot. Your home depot stock on hand will probably vary. 80 gpm x 50 feet width = 4000 gallons per MINUTE of water.. which results in 3-400 lbs/min per foot. That keeps me on my toes. only a fraction of the material goes thru the fine gold section of the Keene sluice... too! Zooka. One is actually the 3/16� raised expanded metal I originally used on early prototypes. I found the 3/16" at home depot in the appliance Mar 22 2008 section in replacement air filters for above a kitchen range. just under 2 cu. Let me know. nice to hear from you and to know that you are critiquing the chart..net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 style. which placer material is by the time it gets to the washplant. and it comes in colors.
Double whammy.bbboy. like off-shore Nome.. You can run 20 yards of the large-cobble stuff in the same period you could run only 15 yards of the smaller stuff. It is ironic . just sort of wandering. I�ll offer whatever advice I can on material sources and how to make a production model or two. and have done quite a bit of fabrication and had my own welding shop since 1974. Design and Operating Guidelines 06:51:04 Mon I've been considering it.their rating is way out of line with the reality of suction dredging.just email me. How that translates in the world of mining is that in those hot areas. we don�t make and sell sluices. I Mar 24 2008 have a shear. so finer folds actually causes an exaggerated discrepancy in ounces per day. but the gold is so big there you dont need to worry about losing fines. maybe the feed is reduced to minus 3/8� in size and rate increased to 120 lbs/min per foot of sluice width. sand or gravel bars were the poorest. Nevada) we found that if the +2" was over 60%. the ore would be the best. not based upon actual mine yardages. Only time you can run fastest is when all the rocks are under your nozzle size. we could shove a lot more ore thru the hopper of the wash plant per hour without overloading the sluice.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. But. Tune the sluice to the actual conditions of the site and I do believe that a practical commercial P&S sluice can be designed to catch a high percentage of gold to 200 mesh and a significant amount of the 300 and smaller gold. Not too bad. That way we had a rough estimation of hoew much of the ore in a given sasmple would actually end up in the slucies. it�s not worth it by a long shot. he had me segregate each sample by % of rock over 2 inches. and usually that means a ton of minus 3/8 sand thru the screens as well. the sluices run clear. in most all of the other streams I have been in the best gold was in with the biggest rocks. However. Try out a number of bench tests to see how the new parameters affect performance.when you are in an area where you have to put down the nozzle and move rocks half the time. I was going to make one for myself pretty soon. where the rocks averaged a larger size. Recipe for overloading the sluices. Reduce the water to something manageable. press and homemade break.No.. I blather. but the undersluice is getting slammed by the volume of minus sands. and over 3/4 inches (our trommel screen size). Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 So. That�s only helpful. -Z 13 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . Popandsonsminers. Cali209. so this wouldn't be too hard if I can work it in between my regular work. if your site actual has significant gold that small. and where the ore is sandy or gravelly you have to really slow down the temptation to hog it fast because the gold is so small that only the under sluice is optimized for its recovery. sorry. too. after the screening. I did a draft design for a 200 yd/hr operation and came up with about 28� of sluice width (14� for a 100 yd/hr). however. Zooka 02:30:06 Tue Mar 25 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. On the small scale we operate.. In that particular placer gold deposit (Manhattan Gulch. no danger of packing them up and losing fines. the_troglodyte Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. 'I still say that is too fast . yes. there will be challenges to designing a Popandson sluice on a commercial scale. Back when I was learning the pit sampling trade from an experienced miner and mining engineer... When +2 was 30% and +3/4" was under 40% we'd get the lowest gold per bank cubic yard even though we had to run a lot slower because of the larger % going into the sluices.. Design and Operating Guidelines Popandsons. but the gold is better in the larger stuff usually as well. I can e-mail you for details. if someone on the forum wants to make up a bunch and offer them for sale.. The 3/16� raised expanded metal would be too fragile so would have to use �� as the smallest. Correct me if I am wrong but I recall the Poling and Clkarkson studies were based on actual yardage thru the sluice. But it made sense. because a lot of it would go off the hopper screen or out the end of the trommel and not down the sluice So you are saying that your numbers for the Keene sluice are based upon a large % of the yardage going down the upper sluice and not thru the screen to the lower deck.
we have 3/8 inch punch plate in the top two feet of the sluice. You just blew apart my ideas of where to find gold in a placer Mar 25 2008 deposit. Your feed (80 lbs/ min/ft of width. Can you tell if there is any diffrents in the gold recovery in the size of expanded metal? Thankyou twobitcreek popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. See Fig. We screen our material to 1" minus before the trommel and than it is screened to 1/2" minus. if you see any gold in the scavenger sluice. we test the tailing about every two hours and there is little to no gold in them. I have no advice on the upper 10� of your sluice and want to focus on your lower sluice which is 10� long with 4# grating (expanded metal). Design and Operating Guidelines 21:03:47 Thu Hello popandson this is twobitcreek in South Dakota the water is still to hard to pump but we are Mar 27 2008 getting ready for the thaw. 14 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . If you have minus 100 mesh gold in your feed. Zooka. My recommendations are based on having Nomad under your expanded metal and having the slope of your lower sluice at 1-1/2� per foot of sluice.. Good luck and please.we have a small trommel that we feed by hand. Mar 28 2008 Fantastic. clean up sooner. so reduce that by about half. The 3/16� will bow in the middle of a 2� width. Do you know the mesh size of the finer gold you are now getting? To test if you can recover more fine gold. This will still work well. Ours is two feet wide and twenty feet long. once your water turns to liquid and you can run your sluice. I would just put a scavenger extension on the end of your existing sluice. I followed the design of Randy Clarkson in his riffle study. 3 in the first post in this thread for an idea about using a clamping strip down the middle of the sluice to hold down the 3/16� material. If you don�t get any gold in the 3/16�. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. Thanks. (minitrommel) Information like that is not easy to find. Make the scavenger sluice 2� long and put �� raised expanded metal over backed Nomad in it. Bolt it or clamp it to the end of your existing sluice and see what you capture after running for a day or two. Or. The bottom ten foot and has #4 expanded metal. so you need to figure out a way to hold it down in the middle. Design and Operating Guidelines 03:46:23 Tue Please keep blathering. and is set at a drop of 3" per foot. Your flow (160 GPM/ft of width) seems a bit strong for good fine gold recovery. This works real well. then we can figure out modifications to your current sluice. tell us how it goes and post some pictures. so you could trim back the 4# material and put in some �� and maybe 3/16� raised expanded downstream in the sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 03:39:45 Fri Twobitcreek.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 the_troglodyte Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. since the 4# grating is pretty coarse for the smaller gold.the top ten feet have 11/2 "angle iron riffles that are set back 15 degrees. The sluice that you have is about the same as the one that I built. since you are feeding only 20-25% of the material that Clarkson and P/H recommend. minus ��) is right in the ball park to get a good recovery of minus 100 mesh gold.and we seen to be recovering most of the gold . Ten foot of sluice is plenty long for a shovel operation. I believe that you will recovery some in the scavenger sluice. twobitcreek Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. then you can run the more robust �� in the entire lower end of the sluice. If you get some good gold in the scavenger sluice. you have a perfect set-up to see if you can improve your fine gold recovery and it won�t take much effort.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. No wonder I have been shoveling so much sand and dirt for so little gold.bbboy. We pump 320gpm and a feed rate of 160lbs per min more or less.
usually to the lower. to see if he catches any more fine gold. THat sizing choice usually is made around the heavy equipment and/or plant. but if I can catch that too it will be a plus. and run at the same rate in YPH! Avoid the double whammy of lower feed rate and finer gold to recover. You would have to slow down the feed to compensate. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. If you did you would have nearly twice as much material in the sluices per hour. whatever to feed it at that rate. and the parameter for its choice is the biggest you can afford to run. Hope this is not blathering. enter the P&S sluice. But if you try and change over that plant and equipment setup to process for a P&S sluice setup. His original sluice had punch plate with ribbed Apr 6 2008 under it right at the top for the initial gold recovery.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Zooka Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. versus the Poling/Clarkson parameters. have some interesting permutations when it comes to correctly sizing your equipment. you cannot feed the sluices at the same rate. and so much more forgiving in the realm of water to ore ratio. Design and Operating Guidelines 18:30:36 Fri Thank you for the reply. Then get Dick to test it out for me. loaders. that I believe you could indeed build a tiered set of P&S sluices and replace the poling/ clarkson sluices innthis hypothetical plant with them. They are sized and the pump is sized to handle that 40%. twobitcreek popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. So 40 % goes to the sluices. a screening plant of some sort sized to process that yardage per hour of the P/C feed rate. ended up hijacking the Mar 28 2008 thread some there. with the same water. in a bench that is say only 30% bigger than the screen. And drill the holes for the 3/8 rods that are used to hold the woode wedges in place that hold the expanded down. My tailings don't show that I am losing much gold bigger then micron size. 15 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . He will try smaller expanded meta in his lower sluice. my apologies. and write an article. your thruput (and ounces per day) will have to change.bbboy. flow rated and slope. then Clarkson riffles in the top sluice @3� slope and then 4# grating in the lower sluice at 1-1/2� slope. What I was trying to say in the context of this thread is that the P&S parameters of feed rate. Ok the lower end of the sluice is set at 1 1/2 drop per foot. Ok the first one is us setting up to find the height from flo to the bottom of the sluice so that we could dig out under the trommel so that we had room to g the three inch per foot drop. But if you then go to a finer gold deposit. and I tried to attach pics I hope that they come through. I have two 8' X 12" sluices that I can attach to the lower end easy enough. I need to sit down and study on this some. Say you have a sluice set up for the Poling / Clarkson riffles. I like the Mar 28 2008 Idea of the extra sluices at the end. as shown in the first picture. This is really a nice set-up where he looks like he processes a respectable amount of material an doesn't have to mortgage the farm to do it! Here are twobitcreek's text and pictures: Well yes of course you can post them. LOL! -Z twobitcreek Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Its parameters are so much lower in the realm of water and feed per foot of width. Design and Operating Guidelines 04:54:12 Fri Dern my last reply got me all confused and I lost my train of thought.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 00:56:22 Sun Twobitcreek has sent me some pictures to post. and excavators. Let's say you have a convsntional plant set up to process ore that is 60% oversize thru the trommel or screens.
Then the riffles catch the rest. We test the tailing pile every two hours an the gold that we are letting be is 600 mesh micron gold and there is not much of that. There is alot of heavys in the gravel. And the grizzly is an old cattle guard with 1" screen bolted to it. hematite mostly. It is like face powder fine. except the real small gold and it is caught in the expanded 16 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM .net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 And the second pic is of me setting up the second spray bar in the back of the trommel to help keep the trommel tray clean.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. It works great. We recover most of the gold on the ribbed rubber matting that is just above th riffles. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.bbboy.
17 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.bbboy.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 I am sending you some pics of our pit system.
Design and Operating Guidelines 00:59:28 Sun And yes. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. Then get your hypothesis tested for real!! This is getting interesting--viniv 15:23:48 Sun Apr 6 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines I simply added 3/16 raised metal to my power sluice and already holding better gold I will be upgrading the whole sluice to pops method for working all blacks sands TY very much for all the research work . Zooka. 18 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM .net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Flash in the pan!! popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. we (at least some of us) enjoy your blathering.bbboy. Please do think on it and Apr 6 2008 write that article.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.
. Design and Operating Guidelines Ok ran some black sands that I had already blue bowled back threw my sluice this is more then I thought I would find.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 viniv 04:05:32 Mon Apr 7 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.. Is that a stock Keen mini sluice? How much of the 3/16 expanded? 19 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . just with one raised metal piece I could not believe it. I was about to dump those concentrates too.. gray_wolf 15:50:54 Mon Apr 7 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines Hey Viniv!! Looks like a nice little set you got there.
Mighty fine little box there! Joe viniv 21:15:33 Mon Apr 7 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. "T" it and then cap both ends of the "T".Is there any data on vibrating vs stationary sluices?Perhaps a thread? You mentioned a spraybar inside your collector. Are you getting a large buildup there 20 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . Mon Apr 7 2008 Look at that last picture . being supported entirely on frame .Your sluice is isolated from trommel vibration for the most part.Hmmm.the mini sluice with the two 1" water sources at the top. Not enough water flow to move those black sands down. I suspect you need a bit more water in the middle of the plate. making a 'catchment'.I realize it would be hard for you to capture this free energy but . As an experiment. I would bring a supply down. Then drill more holes than needed along the entire width of the box. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. JOE_S_INDY Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines Yeah I see it Joe and am going to change that over with more holes it all comes apart nothing is glued together.I wonder if by having your sluice set up the way you do if you are losing some benefits that others with on frame sluices get for free.I know my sluice.If there is any. Design and Operating Guidelines Hey Two Bit. Design and Operating Guidelines hello again well we just got another 6" of snow so the ice should be gone in about three weeks I am going to try to send more pics twobitcreek Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 How do you like that spray bar clip? what is your water flow ( how much ) and what is your water supply? looks like 1" pvc I would just like to know if that is OK.bbboy.Just a thought. Design and Operating Guidelines 17:55:00 Viniv. Thats a custom made sluice by RCM Enterprises.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.I was wondering if this might not be something to give a little thought too for others. I bought the sluice to use in really small creeks with trickles of water but its definetly multi functional and all of it fits in a 5 gallon bucket viniv 03:07:15 Tue Apr 8 2008 twobitcreek 03:27:49 Tue Apr 8 2008 fladredger 10:30:07 Tue Apr 8 2008 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. with a 12V Attwood V750 pump about 550-750 GPH The sluice is 6"x24" so thats about 12" of expanded but I want to cut that in half and run another 6" of smaller stuff though that is catching all if not most of the fines pretty nicely.or it seems so.Greg in BC just bought up an interesting question in another thread titled Trommel vibration. Design and Operating Guidelines Talked with Rick today the guy who makes the sluices he says lose the riffles if I'm going to run it this way so will give that a try also. They wouldn't be spray holes since the concentrates seem to have been washed already. but rather just water supply holes. Thank you GW.will have full benefit of trommel vibration. There is a 'Black Dot' in the middle of the bottom of your slick plate.
I am pretty certain it was more a factor of way too much flow vs the riffles/nomad/matting though. But I did retain about 1/5 of a 5g buckets worth of concentrates vs 1/5 of a 3g buckets worth from my previous arrangement. That would be contrary to my tests and those of Popandson but then we sure as heck aint perfect! -Z tabwyo Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. I had to register just to say that I appreciate the work Jun 28 2008 ��. Jun 27 2008 Thanks for posting your experience and experiments. I had to register just to say that I appreciate the work and I Jun 27 2008 think you are really onto something good. Laying expanded on a ribbed carpet usually (depending on the carpet) will not cause that interference with the riffle action.. be it success of the lack there of.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 that dosent flow to your sluicebox. Zooka Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. I also ran the sluice with 100% 1/4 inch with 1/4inch nomad & ribbed rubber matting yet recovered no visible gold from the very same spot I had recovered gold at the day before with the previous set-up. is that if the matting sticks up too far into the boil area of the expanded. The last couple time I was rather preoccupied with keeping an eye on the kids and dog. that is so important to this forum. Design and Operating Guidelines 17:47:08 Fri Tab. I'm still building. I'll pay closer attention to the action in the Jun 27 2008 expanded riffles. That and I figured input. from the field can only help you guys in you efforts in making the ultimate fine recovery sluice. myself!! And if you keep experimenting. and matches up to small riffles without disrupting their boils. One thing that can happen when using expanded on moss. Just one question though. you�ll find 21 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM .� Thank you.I dont want to be throwing stuff when I take it to Georgia to try out trommel attempt #2. All in all I guess I just wanted to say thanks for the great ideas. tabwyo. I have recently made a 7 foot long by 8 inch wide Popandson style sluice with interchangeable expanded riffle sections. Or just plain better overall. for your kudos and appreciation and the report on your own sluice experience. It aint pretty but it seems to work. Design and Operating Guidelines 00:40:53 Sat �Thanks Pop & Son for a great sluice. Some guys have found better success with their unbacked moss upside down. Have you guys done any testing on your riffle configuration?? I have been reading into the subject and have found research saying that adding the largest riffle section last may actually help in fine gold recovery farther up the sluice as well as trapping the larger stuff. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.LOL Randy tabwyo Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. as that surface is quite flat.hence the extra water?I ask because I made a collector like yours for mine. From what I gathered having the largest section of raised expanded last allows the sluice to establish a laminar flow faster at the sluice entrance allowing fine to drop out before having to speed up to go over the larger expanded.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 16:15:18 Fri Thanks Pop & Son for a great sluice. Tomorrow it'll just be the wife and I so I should get so serious sluicing done. or on several other types of matting.Do I need to expect buildup in the flat collectors?Hey. I got a lot of help from folks on the internet forums and kind of got carried away with testing and reporting. I am pretty new to prospecting but even a newbie can recognize a good thing when he sees one. Or. And the boils are what causes the syystem to work. I have yet to try the largest section last configuration. it may be that ribbed mat is a better gold keeper in your deposit. But I have ran the sluice with a 1 foot section of 1/2 raised and the rest 1/4 inch and recovered very fine gold with only ribbed carpet backing.bbboy. Not too many years ago we were new and looking to find the best simple set-up for fine gold recovery. it'll prevent those boils from forming. Design and Operating Guidelines 23:43:08 Fri I am headed back out tomorrow to the same area.
.we have had excellent large and small gold catching abilities in our hopper with the daisy mat.2x6 ft.22 bullet-sized gold.bbboy. As far as ��way too much flow�.. so. As far as the configuration of largest expanded at the top or at the bottom of the sluice..we're gonna send some con samples your way! One thing we did to cut out all of the beach pea gravel was to put the 3/16 expanded metal under the 1/2 all the way. one last thing we want to add to the design is a sliding mat system under our 2x3 hopper to where we have a daisy mat cut to fit it. jssbastiat Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. the water/.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.and the expanded metal started filling up quicker at the 10th hour and we had to feed it slower and give it a break to clear our a little after 6 to 8 shovel fulls...with 1/16 screen on top of it to prevent the small pebbles from clogging it up. but nothing we watned to mess with.. long sluice. Also.. Design and Operating Guidelines I think my issues are using the P&S sluice as a stream sluice... Lots of insights are to be found on this forum so take the best and use them for yourself.net... Just for fun.. we had some very fine gold go over. and adjust from there.. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. we give it a minute and it flushes out...very little gold over the end until about the 10th hour. thanks P&S tabwyo 02:49:09 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice......slurry just slides down and does not foam up.. It also has a companion paper I wrote for the several people who were thinking about building the P&S sluices for sale. It has additional information on feed and flow rates. In a dredge with more flow and larger rocks. swap ends with the size of expanded and clean up under each one again... And it will be in the topmost 12� of sluice. I put the bigger expanded at the top so the water drops onto the smaller expanded below it.it also helps to smooth the water action out by having the daisy mat hang over and down towards the slick plate. which ever size is at the top. Then...we changed our daisy mat every 3 to 4 hours. you can start with 1-1/2� slope per foot of sluice length and water at �� deep..we found that having open 1/2 over MM would allow the small gravel to stop the top of the MM up and allow the heavy red/black sand to also clog up the MM pores.. clean up under each size of expanded individually to see how much gold is under each one. A smooth transition from one to the other is more important with no rooster tails of water from the transition from one to the other.. which will get a high percentage of recovery.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 what works best for you. deeper riffles are needed than in a highbanker to catch .. I'll stick to useing it as a recirc. we had a good beading action all the way down our sluice. I�m pretty sure the percentage of gold will be about the same in the top expanded each time.75 drop. metal.. Seeing this thread again reminds me that I updated the Popandson Sluice guidelines paper in April 08.. we had P&S help us get setup here and appreciate the extra help. Jun 28 2008 We used the info to narrow down our design and it worked out well. So.. heavy water. 22 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM ... so.....we poured the water to it at a step incline.we have a good vibrating action all teh way down through the exp. The second paper also has a good description and pictures of our sluice for the little 2� dredge we used last year showing the use of 3# grating as the largest expanded. Design and Operating Guidelines 20:31:57 Sat Just wanted to add my thanks for the research and publication of the P&S sluice.1.. I don�t think it matters much. I�ll gladly send both papers to anyone who e-mails me at SNDG@comcast.. allowed us to run for at least 12 hours run time on our MM before we cleaned it up.and have this on a tray that we can easily pull out of the hopper for cleaning every 2 hours.� causing you to lose gold from your sluice.if we overload.
small runs or clean-up. just moving gravel). Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. This could be the lower end of a Vee sluice.bbboy. paperweight 05:11:20 Thu Jan 8 2009 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. 1" and 1/2"raised expanded worked to perfection in our shakedown trip (no gold. We are building very similar to the setup used by twobit except instead of the trommel.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 Tue Jul 1 2008 popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 19:23:06 Clarkson recommends at least 432 gpm per foot with 1inch angle iron.Now that it's not snowing anymore. Jan 8 2009 popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 21:40:06 Thu Paperweight. Here�s a small version Power Sluice Vee sluice to show what I�m talking about. we have an old 500 gallon propane tank to make a hopper out of which will have parallel spraybars aimed at grizzly bars like a large highbanker. as the thru-put is pretty limited. paperweight Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. you can make good time---. Design and Operating Guidelines 01:25:22 Sat I had originaly set the sliuce up as a recirc highbanker. Use the recirc for sampling. So. I am surrounded by desert here so Jul 5 2008 restricting myself to areas with water seriously limits my options. but big enough to move a lot more gravel from the right spots. then thru a 3/8� or �� grizzly to feed the lower sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 04:44:22 Tue Scotty.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. A honda 4in from Thu Northern tool says 383 gpm which is probably at full rev. a 2-1/2" Proline dredge with air.Good trick with the daisy mat to prevent foaming tabwyo. Light enough to pack in quite some distance. Jan 8 2009 The P&S sluice is a fine gold recovery device. you will have good success. It looks like he uses 2x 2" pumps. where the larger material is run thru the upper sluice at a high rate with Clarkson angle iron riffles. I�d say experiment with the feed to the P&S sluice at ��-3/4�. We made a new sluice for it and the three sizes of expanded: 3# grating. The rocks went over the end and the diamonds had good action and were self cleaning. I think once you get the hang of using a fine gold-getting sluice.We've used a P&S sluice successfully as a stream sluice and also on our recent acquisition. I can pan the rest. even as a stream sluice. Good luck and please report back! 23 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . I wonder how a sluice like his would work if it was fed 1 1/2" minus or even 2" from the hopper. and 1-1/2� to 2� feed material is too big for good performance and will also beat the smaller expanded to death in short order. I have had better result with the sluci by classifying the material down to 30 mesh first. Design and Operating Guidelines This is a really great thread. tabwyo Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Sounds like you hit the Mother Lode!! And have found a good combination of sluice Jul 1 2008 design elements that works well for you--.
The last one. Gold in the tailings is what I check. there could be significant gold in it. and milled tailings) that carry au. Design and Operating Guidelines Thanks to all for the great info I've been picking up on THE FORUM. assuming fully ground to a fine mesh. Pop & Son. then increase slope and volume until you lose too much gold for your comfort level. and slow feed to keep the diamonds in the raised expanded very visible. You also might think about a Falcon Icon bowl. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. our last experiments with hard rock ore. & zn that I would like to test for gravity pre-concentration at the site and further processing at the shop. concerning your testing of milled hardrock ore. popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. While hungarians work good in a fast flow with not to fine of gold. You either have to have quite a bit of this super fine gold in the ground to make it add up or move massive amounts to see it add up to real money. AKBill Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Have you made any changes to the general operating plans? Are you able to adequately clean the Nomad between batches for accurate testing of separate samples? What are the other minerals that are in the concentrates? I have hardrock material ("in place". run with 1" to 1-1/4" slope per foot. Would this work in a Feb 14 2009 sub dredge set up? hoppingforpay Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Wow. Design and Operating Guidelines 21:15:06 Sat This is great! I seem to find far more super fine gold than any thing else.Expanded metal works well with not too coarse of gold. I would say for your hard rock tailings. pb. Design and Operating Guidelines 23:25:46 Sat Aumbre. showed we were running too fast and recovery must improve to get the finer gold. We now use backed Nomad with good success. best of luck with your pile of tailings. debated on another thread on this forum. So I change according to what I find. Depending upon how they were processed. the Nomad will clean up quite well. I like to use a double layer of 3/4 expanded metal since it holds a better concentrate 24 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . Test the sluice tailings as you go. I quit Feb 17 2009 hungarians in Idaho do to checking the content of one riffle. Even tho some losses are expected. 1/4" deep water.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 aumbre 07:07:54 Sun Jan 11 2009 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. dump rock . Design and Operating Guidelines 05:59:52 Tue I have been using raised expanded metal on 5" 6" and 8" dredges for over 20 years. I don't worry to much about a few pinpoints because it takes millions to add up to any kind of weight.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. ag. cu. I have found fine gold to catch quite soon on expanded metal but I have found coarse gold to spread out along the box with expanded metal riffles only. Use a visqueen dampener. Jan 17 2009 Yes. pulverized to minus 60 mesh.
Design and Operating Guidelines I was wondering. until I needed the dredge again. Muley. how effective would it be if I took the sluice off of my 4" keene dredge and used the triple sluice to recover the fine gold. Here's hoping that next year is even better for you than this one was----- torchman Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Has anyone tried this? Would beat fabricating a new sluice for me if this was a way to go. I still have the files and are glad to send them to anyone who wants the updated info on the "Popandson Sluice". that Tue way it may be of some help to some of the newer members that may get some value out of it. Instead of gold being blown out to the next catch it instead has a place to sink out of the way from the flow. Many have replied and are quite complementary. some of the fine gold already in the sluice. Dec 30 2010 Do different mesh underlays affect the sluices ability to capture fine gold? I'm using cordoury - 25 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . please let me know-It's also been rewarding to hear of a number of Artisanal Small Miners (ASM) around the world that have used P&S sluices to capture more gold and not have to use mercury.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 than one layer in the case of too much flow causing a clean out of the riffles. deltana_guy 22:11:19 Thu Jul 30 2009 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 06:08:42 Has anyone ever seen expanded made out of poly (plastic)? Thu Dec 30 2010 dungbeetle Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.net I did get a recent comment about using a second dampener.bbboy. TONS of useful info. Design and Operating Guidelines 06:17:13 Good idea. Tue Dec 28 2010 popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 13:09:56 has any one used scourer pads instead of Miners moss? Thu They look like they'll do the job ok. screened to maybe 1/2". Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. If anyone has tried even 1/2" raised expanded on a large-volume placer operation. Design and Operating Guidelines 03:28:46 Thu Thanks. I've sent out the "guidelines" papers mentioned Dec 30 2010 earlier to maybe several hundred individuals. exposed to the air.on the bottom so that if the sluice is shut down and re-started. And thanks to all the supporters on this forum! We're now working on testing and recovery from hard rock ore. Also wanted to say thanks to everyone on this forum. Dec 28 2010 baub Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. so will keep all updated as we progress. I wish I would get more reports of the use of a P&S sluice on larger placer operations. would float and be knocked down before it floated out of the sluice.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. and some have replied and are hugely appreciative. When I was buying the dredge I was told the Triple Sluice Box was designed to hold on to the fine gold. I'm glad you "bumped" it. The point was that perhaps one should be used on both the top and bottom of the sluice. Muley Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 05:34:13 Found this great info and since it was on page 25 I wanted to bring it back up to page 1. Out in the creeks you dont see much people to exchange ideas and information. as I think they lose a lot fine gold due to high thru-put and courser expanded if using the Clarkson or Poling design. Muley. E-mail is: SNDG "at" comcast. I've sent info to all continents.
I would hate to see it lost. is test it against the stock riffles and carpet that comes with it.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 01:33:03 I took a Keene A52 sluice box and modified it. applying the Popandson concept. 26 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . I�m sure. Design and Operating Guidelines 03:04:12 Fri I found the plastic mesh at Lowes or Home depot. One thing I want to do with this A52 mod. Prospect09er Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 but it's clogging with black sands pretty quick. the door matt MM looks too course a pattern for the reall fine (5mm) mesh i'm running. I�ve had a heck of a time trying to find any scrap. I have seen plastic expanded somewhere but don't remember where.bbboy. This is one the top ten posts on this forum. Popsandon. Design and Operating Guidelines 18:25:16 Dungbeetle. I�ll eventually end up buying a half sheet from somewhere. but it was flat not raised. if weight is a problem then check out alumimum raised expanded. I still need to find some 3/16� expanded metal though. Muley Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. I think it works Sat awesome for fine gold with just 3/4� and 1/2� expanded metal. Not sure how much of a difference it made??? Needs more testing. Jim_Alaska Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. "Micro-Sluice" use's 3m Scotch brite pads thats the only one that I know of. Thu Dec 30 2010 Torchman. I did raise the slick plate 5/8� to Jan 1 2011 let the material drop-in opposed to making it climb over the first riffle. It is in the roofing and/or plastic rain gutter Dec 31 2010 section..
. at least here. I must have missed it. Design and Operating Guidelines Scrap metal dealers is a good idea..Nice mods to the A-52.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 InspectorTom Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. but still. Design and Operating Guidelines 19:26:10 Sun You can get 3/16" raised expanded at Lowes or Home Depot. But I will look again in the screen door area. They are used. The 3/4 I have now I found at a welding shop. and nothing. Steppe popandsonminers Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. How about your local high school welding class? My brother is a welding teacher & often has scrap expanded laying around. I don't think you have Big Box stores in Mongolia? Prospect09er 21:22:58 Sun Jan 2 2011 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. 27 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM . The old filters are discarded so you can get them as freebies from any CAT dealer or driver. pieces can be scavenged. Steppegold 18:31:15 Sun Jan 2 2011 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. I've not found a scrap one yet.. but all they seem to have right now is flat expanded. so its of limited use. But the darned expanded metal is flat. I did buy some rib lath (for stucco). Design and Operating Guidelines Thanks for the ideas! I just need to keep looking. nothing I can use. Best of luck.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. and I may end up having to buy a microbus! Its easy to get FLAT expanded metal. Design and Operating Guidelines 17:57:26 Prospect09er. Steppe. I�m always looking on craigslist. Any thoughts on an all aluminum expanded system for a sluice box? I�ve wanted to try it. but I didn�t care for it. Look in the screen door section Jan 2 2011 for a "pet screen": it is just what you need. I�ve looked all over in my local Home Depot and Lowe�s. to hold together air filters for CAT dozers and excavators. Hope this helps.bbboy.T PS . In Mongolia the front ventilator grill of Russian microbuses have raised expanded metal. I�ve hit a few scrap/recycling metal places. Sorry. Sun I may be stating the obvious but have you tried looking at your local scrap metal business? They Jan 2 2011 often have old screen doors & such where various sized alum. as these machines seem to run for ever' I've not summoned the courage to steal one.. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb.
Any problems with the pads ? Hi mate . Design and Operating Guidelines Cool ! Please let us know. I'm from Ohio! I live in southern California now.net/alaskagoldforum-print?forum=2&thread=694 McNichols seems to have everything I need. Design and Operating Guidelines 22:58:53 Sat Just setup with the scourer pads . The expanded is right small and probably will need pre-classification to 20 mesh or so. Jan 2 2011 dungbeetle Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Where Are you finding gold in Ohio? Going Dec 17 2011 home for the holidays and wold love to find gold for Christmas! LOL Go Buckeyes! Chris The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.bbboy. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. too. Any problems with the pads ? Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. I didn't have time this run (contract job) but next run I'll seperate the cons from the top of the pads and the cons from the underlying rubber matt.no dramas with the pads. just go to the nearest mesh-type big ugly satellite dish Sun (C-band).http://bb. vry easy to clean out.bbboy. Design and Operating Guidelines It looks like a great fine gold getter. b BabeShooter Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. I was very surprised at how easy they are to clean out. overtheedge Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. looks queer. just wish i could find big sheets of the stuff but at $3.works well.bbboy. and how much remains on top.The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice..net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=694 Powered By BbBoard . Design and Operating Guidelines 23:27:52 For really fine mesh expanded aluminum. Design and Operating Guidelines Quote: baub at 16:28:40 Sun Feb 6 2011 It looks like a great fine gold getter.25 for a twenty pack i'm not complaining. just a quick squirt with the hose and all is good. Design and Operating Guidelines http://bb. baub 03:32:58 Mon Feb 7 2011 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice. Design and Operating Guidelines 10:54:01 Sat Hey. I would like to see how much gold actually drops down through the pad weave. Feb 5 2011 baub 16:28:40 Sun Feb 6 2011 dungbeetle 17:57:17 Sun Feb 6 2011 Re: The Popandson Fine Gold Sluice.net 28 of 28 2/28/2012 5:53 PM .
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