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How to Charge Any USB Device by Riding Your Bike
by JeffB on July 1, 2007 Table of Contents How to Charge Any USB Device by Riding Your Bike . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Intro: How to Charge Any USB Device by Riding Your Bike . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 1: Our original intention... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 2: Our Invention Statement and Concept Evolution . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 3: Design a circuit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 4: Getting Power . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 5: Wiring . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 6: The Actual Circuit! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 7: The Enclosure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 8: Testing! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 9: Future Plans . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Step 10: Finish! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Related Instructables . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Comments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 6 6 7 7 9 9

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Jeff Brookins Divine Child InvenTeam Member Image Notes 1. we determined that it would take a 50-mile run to get enough energy to charge one AA battery. The shake-up flashlight gets its energy from the interaction of the moving magnetic field of the magnet in the flashlight and the coil of wire wrapped around the tube the magnet slides through.) A team of 6 students and one teacher put this project together. when we calculated how much energy we would be able to get from a run. creating an electric current. and we have decided to put it on Instructables in hopes of winning a laser cutter.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ . What follows. The moving magnetic field causes electrons in the coil to move along the wire. Step 1: Our original intention. I'd also like to thank Limor Fried. creator of the MintyBoost circuit. The 140F Ultracapacitor 3." We then decided to use a bike-mounted system instead. this project was started when we received a grant from the Lemelson-MIT Program. I hope you enjoy this Instructable as much as we did. which is then available to use for the flashlight bulb/LED. It played an key role in our project.. The Students 2. This current is then stored in a battery.. However. http://www. This was unreasonable so we changed our project to the bike system. Voltage Regulator 2. The sweet banner Lemelson-MIT gave us. or at least a t-shirt. if you're reading this. we had a problem. (Josh. 2200uF Capacitor Image Notes 1. However. To quote my team mate Nick Ciarelli. "At first we considered using a design similar to one of those shake-up flashlights and converting it so that a runner could strap it on for a run and have energy to charge their iPod or whatever device they use.instructables. is a compilation of our presentation and my own personal notes. we love you.Intro: How to Charge Any USB Device by Riding Your Bike To start off. This concept would generate electricity the same way those Faraday flashlights do. Our original project was to develop a product that used the Faraday Principle to allow runners to charge their iPods while they run.

on loan from Josh Schuler. to focus solely on the development of a continuous charging system. The team therefore chose to abandon the braking aspect of the system. During the experimentation phase. The MintyBoost uses AA batteries to charge portable electronic devices.5 volts.Step 2: Our Invention Statement and Concept Evolution We initially theorized the development and feasibility of a regenerative braking system for use on bicycles. Image Notes 1. The circuit we designed complements the function of the MintyBoost USB charger. store it. 2. the regenerative braking system was found to be incapable of fulfilling its dual functions simultaneously. http://www. The ultracapacitor stores energy to continuously charge the USB device even while the bike is not in motion. It could neither produce enough torque to stop the bike. This system would create a mobile power source to extend the battery life of portable electronic devices carried by the rider. Our independently constructed circuit replaces the AA batteries and supplies power to the MintyBoost. This system. once constructed and researched. The Bike. This allows the motor to charge the BoostCap (140 F).instructables. Step 3: Design a circuit To start off. Her Circuit. nor generate enough power to recharge the batteries. proved fully capable of achieving the desired objectives. Image Notes 1. we had to design a circuit that could take the ~6 volts from the motor. Our Circuit. of Adafruit Industries. originally developed by Limor Fried. which in turn supplies power to the MintyBoost circuitry. and then convert it to the 5 volts that we needed for the USB device. This circuit reduces the ~6 volts from the motor to 2.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .

and difficult to work with. http://www.instructables. The telephone wire proved fragile. The Maxon 90. (For those wishing to build this project. out of all possibilities the Maxon motor would be a better choice due to its smaller diameter. with attached wheel. We decided to stick with our Maxon 90. telephone cord. Image Notes 1. it was much more durable due to its larger diameter.) We attached this motor close to the rear brake mounts directly on the bike frame using a piece of a meter stick between the motor and frame to act as a spacer.Step 4: Getting Power Selecting a motor proved a more challenging task. and speaker wire. Image Notes 1. Expensive motors provided the proper torque needed to create the braking source. Step 5: Wiring For the wiring from the motor to the circuit several options were considered: alligator clips for mock up. The project was redesigned as a continuous charging system. We then just attached the wire to the frame using zip-ties. The alligator clips proved to work well for the mock up design and testing purposes but they were not stable enough for the final design. To make an affordable and effective device another solution was necessary. even though its cost was $275. which was a beautiful motor. The Wiring Job. For the latter motor over-heating would be a huge issue. Although it was stranded wire.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ . then tightened 2 hose-clamps around it. Speaker wire was tested due to its durability therefore becoming the conductor of choice. The Maxon motor also provided 6 volts where as previous motors gave us upwards of 20 volts. however the cost was prohibitive. a cheaper motor will suffice.

5 volt BOOSTCAP made by Maxwell Technologies. Our Circuit. which in turn supplies power to the MintyBoost circuitry.5 volts. We chose the BOOSTCAP because its high capacitance will allow us to hold a charge even if the bike is stopped at a red light.5 volts from the ultracapacitor and step it up to a stable 5 volts. We then take the 2.instructables. For our purposes. We use it to reduce the voltage from ~6 volts to 2.2 volts. as seen in our circuit diagram. The voltage regulator that we used. the comparison of two resistors. 5 volt boost converter coupled with a 22uH inductor. Her Circuit. is adjustable depending on how you set it.2 volts across the ultracapacitor. Voltage Regulator 2.5 volts which is the maximum the BOOSTCAP can store and safely handle. This allows the motor to charge the BoostCap (140 F).Step 6: The Actual Circuit! Tackling the circuitry was the most difficult challenge of the process. 120ohm and 135 ohm. connected to the regulator determines the output voltage. It uses a MAX756.5 volts and use it to charge our ultracapacitor. Image Notes 1. an LM338. The MintyBoost uses AA batteries to charge portable electronic devices. The 140F Ultracapacitor 3. We used it to take the 2. a larger current than other regulators would pass. This circuit reduces the ~6 volts from the motor to 2. We used the 2200uF capacitor to even out the power flow to the voltage regulator. A beautiful thing http://www. it has enough power to allow the MintyBoost to provide a 5 volt source for the device being charged. Image Notes 1." where the motor would start to spin by using the stored electricity. The next part of this circuit is something I'm sure you are all familiar with. From there the voltage is stepped down to 2. originally developed by Limor Fried. of Adafruit Industries. Electricity from the motor first travels through a voltage regulator which will allow up to a continuous five amp current. 2200uF Capacitor Image Notes 1. the Adafruit MintyBoost. a 140 farad. Our circuit complements the function of the MintyBoost USB charger. Once we get 1. Once the BOOSTCAP attains 1. The ultracapacitor stores energy to continuously charge the USB device even while the bike is not in motion. the MintyBoost will begin to output the 5 volts. On the input wires we attached a 5A diode so that we don't get an "assisted-start effect. 2. the USB standard.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .5 volts. Our independently constructed circuit replaces the AA batteries and supplies power to the MintyBoost. 2.

instructables. the ultracapacitor will continue to hold its charge even after the rider has stopped moving. The rider pedaled for the first 5. with a diameter of 6cm and a length of 18cm. and then did two laps at Levagood Park for a total approximate distance of 1 mile. while the supercapacitor charged with extreme speed. as this test indicates. Experiments were also performed on containers crafted from raw carbon fiber soaked in epoxy. the capacitor will charge. Both of these tests were conducted over a period of 10 minutes. Approximately 45 seconds http://www. We did not use this component because. the blue is the ultracapacitor's voltage.9 mph. The reason for the jump in USB voltage is because the ultracapacitor reached the voltage threshold necessary to activate the MintyBoost. Our carbon fiber experiment didn't go as well as we hoped. the green line 14.Step 7: The Enclosure. The red line represents the voltage of the motor. the blue line 21. However. and the yellow line 7. which is integrated with the circuit so that when the motor is active. the blue line represents the voltage of the supercapacitor. A production model would be much smaller. an enclosure was necessary. Image Notes 1. Supercapacitor Graph Image Notes 1. it discharged too quickly for our purposes. Our PVC "pill" in the water bottle holder of a bike. The red line represents the motor's voltage. The second graph is the data collected with the BOOSTCAP ultracapacitor. aerodynamic shape. Image Notes 1. and the green line represents the USB port's voltage. Ultracapacitor graph 2. The last picture is a Google Earth shot of where we did our testing. The first graph depicts the use of the supercapacitor. Step 8: Testing! For the capacitors. In order to protect the circuit from external elements. This structure proved to be both strong and light weight. this made construction more convenient. Image Notes 1. We chose to use the ultracapacitor because.4 mph. The purple line is approximately 28. and the green line represents voltage of the USB port. the BOOSTCAP and a super capacitor. we test two different types.5 mph. the construction process was extremely time consuming and difficult to master. The colors of this map correspond to the speed of the rider. A "pill" of PVC tubing and end caps was chosen.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .7 mph. nearly perfect weather-proofing. then we observed how the voltages would react for the final 5 minutes. This picture shows that we started at our school. While these dimensions are large when compared to the circuit. and low cost. The PVC was selected based on durability.

A search is underway for a more cost efficient motor that will still meet our power needs. however the material has limitations. this would decrease both the product's size and heat output. The chip could replace multiple voltage regulators. and difficult. http://www. These containers are known for being waterproof and nearly indestructible. Weather-proofing is critical to the long term operation of the unit. we ran over one with a car to no ill effect. Not only is it difficult to position properly.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .) Additional protection was sought against the forces of nature. The circuit itself is extremely inexpensive. Cost reduction is by far the most important. and cost reduction. change that must be made to the design. Here are some of the pictures from our presentation at MIT. This change would decrease the need for excessive ventilation and increase component life. One technique considered for the motor was to encase it in a Nalgene container. circuit streamlining. several improvements must be made in the areas of weather-proofing. Our testing grounds Step 9: Future Plans In order to make the device more economically viable as a consumer product. possibilities include a multitasking voltage regulator chip and a custom printed circuit board (PCB). (Yes. Using a PCB will provide a more stable base because the connections will be directly on the board and not floating beneath it. however the motor costs $275. Step 10: Finish! Thanks for reading our Instructable. Expansion foam would seal the unit. if you have any questions feel free to ask. but it would also prevent ventilation essential to the overall operation of the device. As to the streamlining of the circuit.Image Notes 1.instructables. To a limited extent it will act as a heat sink because of the copper tracing in the board.

Jeff Brookins (Me) 3. Our presentation board Image Notes 1.instructables. Kelcie Ebbitt 5.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .Image Notes 1. Laura Veldhuis Image Notes 1. Jeff Cain 6. Our table http://www. C. Nick Ciarelli 2.J. Charles Demmer 4. Demmer riding the bike for our live demonstration Image Notes 1.

zoltzerino says: Jul 31. cheaper. Related Instructables Upgrade Your iPod Mini With Portable USB Flash Memory battery pack No More Hard bike light (with a Drive! by fstedie Luxeon III conversion) by warlord Build It: DIY Juice Pouch by PopSci iPod charging PLAY AND tins and packs RECHARGE for beginners.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .instructables. IPOD USING OLD BOOMBOX by erckgillis .net/cyclech. :-) Nice one anyway. 2010. It works well and starts charging at pretty slow speeds around 8 mph. Image Notes 1.Hints and tips by unknownuser2007 Bicycle Innertube iPod Case (Photos) by nagutron Comments 50 comments Add Comment view all 172 comments griteck says: that is cool would you be able to power a bike light Jan 28..Image Notes 1. 4:51 PM REPLY lovetoride says: I always wondered about charging my devices (I have a lot of them) while riding my bike. 5:08 PM REPLY http://www. this is somehow rut through a transistor. 2010. but pricey. 6:00 AM REPLY Why not use a smaller. rapidprototyping says: Jul 16. lower power motor and use a gearing system to increase it's RPM from the wheel rim? Similar to those wind-up torches with the handles. 5:16 PM REPLY hey look at what was done in the early seventies in this work on the pancake motor i'm trying to clean up the images but new to that line work rapidprototyping says: here is gimp photo of a pancake motor Jul 16. Me and Professor Merton Flemings.econvergence. 2010. I use it primarily to charge my Blackberry for work. 6:04 AM REPLY The torch in question (one that I've dismantled) has a simple 4 diode AC-DC rectifier with a smoothing cap.htm because it has a USB port. 2011. this seems to be enough to charge a little 3v button cell. 2010. zoltzerino says: Jul 31. 2010. executive director of the Lemelson-MIT Program and a great guy. faculty director of the Lemelson-MIT Program. Nov 2.. 7:56 AM REPLY I bought the Cycle Charger from www. could this be notched up to 5v directly? With or without a Minty Boost. With something a little more flashy. Me and Josh Schuler.

2:58 AM REPLY Bad circuit. or dynamo .kerembasaran says: A 140F capacitor is just crazy.com/EN/supercap_r_2. At least a couple of companies (Shimano being one of them) make these alternators which are built into the hub of the front wheel. 7:01 AM REPLY Hiya. By the way im going to be using the mintyboost v2. I've build a unit to output 5 Volt 500 mA on USB cable to charge my Phone / GPS / PDA from a 6Volts. i want to replicate this circuit for use on my bike. Algag says: Apr 11. Take a 2 of those caps in series to make a ~5v Cap.Motor gives electricity 5v regulator gives 5v to Super caps. 3Watts HUB dynamo using just that. 12:11 AM REPLY qwerty156 says: Jun 15. Have a look: http://www. Thanks in advance Stubloke says: jevoncarlson says: Jan 21. not to leave it on there when you are done gamal kotp says: i am habye thank fo all Apr 10. Mine puts out a fairly steady 6vac at speed. 2009. but is slews to 0v at stop. Caps give to deveice adeb2 says: Jun 5. Feb 23. SO long it took me to locate these BCAP0150 .yay! i'll post more later. 5:22 AM REPLY jenninstructables says: Feb 23. 2008. The step by step instructions mention components that are not on the circuit diagram.. 2010. 2010.. 2010. 1:27 PM REPLY The supercap post ride charge is a fun idea but who would actually leave their ipod on their bike while not riding? security issues.0.. 5:25 PM REPLY I've got the added task of recifying the output of the source.instructables. Any help would be much appreciated. 2010. 2009. but im a bit confused. Has anyone addressed this previously? jenninstructables says: .arenddeboer. 2010. does anyone know of a source that will sell ONE ultracap at a time? Nov 3. as opposed to a DC generator.150F ultra-capacitor Mouser Electronics .php Feb 20. Oct 9.htm Jun 6. 4:00 PM REPLY if you are talking about how it charges even if you are not moving thats so if you are stopped it still charges. 2:03 AM REPLY agent harmsy says: add a transformer. 2010. 2010. 2:02 AM REPLY I agree with dirty valentine.. 8:09 AM REPLY jenninstructables says: man.. as it's actually an AC alternator. and also the circuit diagram doesnt show the ultracapacitor on it. Of course with an additional bridge rectifier and a couple of capacitors.. 2010.tecategroup.which seems to be the subject of this instructable. 7:48 AM REPLY harpleblues says: I found the capcitor available in quantites of one at www. 5:04 PM REPLY http://www. 2010. this supercap is hard to find. 12:37 PM REPLY ReCreate says: i have seen 300 Farad caps Mar 1. good idea.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ . so.wima.com/store/index. 2010. 2010.com/bike-mounted-usb-charger/ Apr 19. Could you just clarify what components are needed in your circuit (not the mintyboost circuit). 4:49 PM REPLY uberdum05 says: I've seen a 3000F supercapacitor on http://www. a low dropout 5v regulator is much more efficient.. hook it up to a coilgun and watch it blow up a HOUSE! :D Jul 5.

your capacitor will be charged to 6V.com/pc/productDetail. As for dt. UPS. Most likely any hand held electronics you buy today (cell phone.5V with a linear regulator such as the LM338 is inefficient. simple). If the generator really puts out 6V. 1:47 PM REPLY Contactless induction can certainly be made to work. 2010. is it? dirty_valentine says: Feb 12. The USB device would charge twice as fast. but the circuit is not optimal. 6:15 AM REPLY It's hard to find the materials in this country which is one of ASEAN countries. a 5V output Buck-Boost converter could be used.. May 15.C1.com advante says: advante says: http://www. constructive criticism! : ) would've been nice to have some from ac-dc. as I said I do not have much experience with generators. Lets assume you want to stop for 10seconds (dt=10s). Voltage stabilizer. 7:29 AM REPLY I really like this instructable. Sep 24. With this information we can figure out what size cap we need: C=100mA*10s/2V=0. To really make this work you will probably need an inductorless motor geared up off the wheel or chain to produce enough power to sustain charging. 2:51 AM REPLY Water Child says: Feb 12.dirty_valentine says: May 14. i am a polite kid os i have to ask for your permission Nov 14.. Most LiIon chargers charge at 100mA or 500mA. 2010. 6:15 AM REPLY I=C*dV/dt is the equation for a capacitor where I=current. Please give a reply on externalleon@gmail. anyway would it be illegal if i could use this fro my science fair project? there are no winners and no prizes its an elementary science fair for energy and i really lik this idea. Cause I lived in Indonesia. but I think this would be a better idea dirty_valentine says: Feb 12. This would provide for further efficiency improvement. rpvanpatt says: gotcha. 2010. 2009. 9:30 AM REPLY Not sure.another idea. the electronic stores are traditional electronic stores (dirty. the charging wont stop. antenna.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .C1003. You would have to experiment or seek out knowledge elsewhere. LiIon batteries do not like to be overcharged. If a linear regulator is used as I suggested above It will start dropping out around 5V.jsp?navId=H0. 2009. while charging) the voltage will collapse and charging will stop. media player.. most likely ill be using it for life. so that if the bike comes to a stop. 3:33 AM REPLY I need 4. Thus best case you can only discharge the input capacitor from 6V to 4V (dV=2V).5F. old building. if you havent already seen the 'contactless dynamo' bike light instructable. rpvanpatt says: Feb 11. Good luck. 5:58 PM REPLY dirty_valentine says: Feb 15. If the generator typically puts out less than 5V under load. etc) will have a LiIon type battery.. Stepping down from 6V to 2. 2010.would they be good with just led lights tho? and maybe a stepper motor to charge? Feb 12. In this case only about 42% of the power from the generator will make it to the Minty Boost circuit. If overcharged they will start to loose capacity (best case) or can even burst into flames (worst case). rpvanpatt says: Feb 12.C1040.instructables. 8:27 PM REPLY I actually was thinking the same type of thing. FYI .. then a simple 5V output Low Drop-Out (LDO) regulator such as the Linear Technology LT1963A ( http://www. In fact some quality chargers do just that to measure the Equivelant Series Resistance (ESR) of the battery during the charging process. audio devices (not exclusive)..linear. The circuit will no doubt work but it is not optimal..5F is a REALLY big cap and would only buy you a best case stopping time of 10seconds. 0. There are a lot of variables and I do not have much experience with this type of generator so I am not sure if the 'contactless dynamo' instructable will work in this application. I was wondering if a capacitor would be good tho. In this case about 83% of the generator power would make it to USB device. C=capacitance and dV/dt is the change in voltage with time. transformator. Ohnanka says: Yey.. 11:29 AM REPLY thanks for the help.. I'll assume the best case (I=100mA). If I go to an electronic markets where the items are in so many kinds. 9:24 AM REPLY I love this instructable.im not sure how much output voltage the contactless magent generator creates though. 2010. I was wondering if it would be possible to use that idea and your info to create a USB charger instead of with a motor. i feel like that may hurt the battery to stop and go. but as soon as a load is applied (i. The Boost circuit will have further losses lowering the efficiency down even more.1 volt? Cause 0.9 volt for my Sony Ericsson phone. and the circuit cost and complexity is significantly reduced.P1879) could be used to drive pin 1 of the USB directly. etc. rearranging the equation you get: C=I*dt/dV. just a basic understanding of how they work. 2009. 2010. The good news is that most quality electronics have built in protection circuitry that keep from overcharging the battery. and most LiIon chargers will stop charging around 4V. I don't feel the added complexity and cost is justified if the generator can put out more than 5V under load though. 2010. Hope that helps. but i am a newbie with all this stuff.it is really power that you are interested in and not voltage.. 2009. transistors. Does it matter if over-voltage 0. It sells LEDs.1 volt is matter for computer's processor. My feeling is that the magnets turning at the rate of the wheel will be too slow and too far away from the coils to generate enough power. I have not heard of any issues with starting and stopping charging.C1055. that depends on how long you plan to be stopped. If you are riding along and getting 6V out of the generator then suddenly stop.e. My guess is that the peak voltage is probably high enough open circuit.

2009. Sorry for the words written with BIG letters : D jules15 says: no man. 2009. It is good to experiment but it is also good to see when it is redundant work.. 6:54 AM REPLY name101 says: May 8. energy conservation is really good. none of the things being done are new electronically).Jodex says: Nov 12. that each part of the problem can be seen modularly as how to get from point A to point B and that today we have great custom ICs to do these jobs (since when broken down into units. 2009. it should not be used because the whole circuit is wrong in the first place. I agree a battery would be able to store a lot more energy than a Capacitor. 2:08 AM REPLY I see that stepping down then stepping the voltage up again is a waste of energy." How is this so? I would like to learn from this experience. producing the desired charge. 10:14 AM REPLY You CAN always charge with a lot higher voltage than your battery needs. But couple of volts doesn't matter. You'd need far more than a capacitor to store the energy. but at the same time this is what is great about technology today that we have ready-made ICs to do things difficult or lengthly to do with discrete parts. worth the time to do it right.2v RC Battery is Lightweight and ive used one in many applications Aug 21. a switching supply circuit that accepts (uses) input over the voltage variations that result from a bike generator. 2009. 9:50 PM REPLY name101 says: May 16. The problem was they didn't look at how to get from point A to point B. Let me put it another way. In the graph explains that the surplus power is stored in the Ultra capacitor ~Name101 ac-dc says: May 14. I think it's great if they had no hands-on experience. to learn from building something like this. name101 says: Well Personally am new to electronics. BUT to put it out there for others as an example of how to get something done. and point B. it is a poor one. 2009. or of course to use a proper bike generator. resulting in a higher heat level. and a design has multiple forms of loss. May 17. 10:19 PM REPLY The way I see this design. The Supercapacitor was not meant to store "Large" amounts of energy but enough to keep the power consistent if the rider was to slow down or stop for a short period of time. and yet this would be an additional drag on the bike. ~Name101 ac-dc says: May 17. The way this is set up it would be far better to just strap a battery pack onto a bike to recharge something. (I'm sorry about the short comment I wrote a big one but pressed cancel instead of post =( ) ~Regards Name101 http://www. something like a battery of a capacity high enough that it never reaches full charge. 4:45 AM REPLY That's What the 140F capacitor was used for. Instead. The problem is. When the load current drops the input voltage will rise and the linear regulator will be dropping more voltage. Except LiPos may be bit different. I don't revel in wasting energy but it's not so much a concern when something is AC wall powered. 2009. a supercap doesn't have enough capacity to *buffer* for regular riding. 2009. 2009. That means that once the supercap is charged the voltage in the system rises and creates even more heat and loss with the linear regulator.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ . thats fine Nov 4. but when the power supply is so close to a LDO linear regulator I thought Providing consistent energy would be a problem. Correct me if I'm wrong..instructables. I would like to learn how to make this as efficient as possible. but will not "handle" surplus. PCfreak says: 7. then finding the best way to get there. BUT if you use enough big voltage your battery MAY explode. but the capacitor is short term.. I appreciate this is beyond the ability of someone starting out. 9:52 AM REPLY Such a capacitor would store power. point A being a human being producing linear movement of a wheel. a supercap is short term. You said "supercap is charged the voltage in the system rises and creates even more heat and loss with the linear regulator. 2009. 12:49 PM REPLY ctonks says: How do you handle surplus power? Apr 3. When you are peddling on the other hand. 12:13 AM REPLY Of course. they reused a design not just suboptimal for the purpose but contraindicated for the input and output. and and output with current regulation and the associated charge control chip complimentary to the battery type being recharged.

I was aware of the energy loss through heat and converting the voltages 2 times is excess but the way I saw it was the voltages(form power source to USB device) are too close to use the LDO linear regulator. to start you would approximate an efficiency. With this much info we know the minimum output voltage a generator will need. to just use a wide input voltage. you can cement/glue/etc them in place or you can pick parts more immune to the environment). some working familiarity with switching regulator designs helps a lot here. One thing that is not really clear is why either would be needed. Next determine the minimum dropout voltage for the regulation stage. but even if kept above the LDO regulated voltage it's still a very lossy circuit. they serve as a crude but effective enough form of regulation to keep the voltage at roughly the sum of the cells. There is some loss in doing this too. but not as much as use of an LDO. that it should not be done a different way for bike powered use.instructables. Thank you so much. a vibration resistant mounting. May 17. the point would mainly be that you can either: A) Have already charged them before the bike ride so they are a renewable portable power pack. That's why it's normally it's normally rated for wattage like 6W or 12W. I'm starting to understand. With the supercap you are improving charging. 2009. Next determine the required charge current for the device. then less when not. A constant charge isn't really needed. getting started from a dead stop after having discharged. name101 says: May 18. With a battery on the other hand. 5:00 PM REPLY The generator voltage is not "close" to the LDO regulator necessarily. the max and minimum voltage during riding with it powering the same load level will tell us the voltage range the switching subcircuit will have to accept. but the rest of the time it was charging at a high enough rate to compensate. the primary one being that the better solution is none of these supercaps or batteries. also built more rugged (leaded parts like capactors don't like vibration much as you'd see on a bike. and can begin testing generators loaded to the desired output power (current times pre-dropout voltage) to see if they are sufficient. not even an LDO. for good reason. 1:52 PM REPLY With a variable input voltage (6V is not constant) an LDO will be a problem. The point that I'm attempting to keep drifting back towards is this needs to be seen as an accessory to bicycling. Haha. Then you are ready to convert a rough sketch of circuit logic blocks into a schematic of electronic component values. but rather less capacitance. but just to pick a number a run with it until something more is known experimentally let's say 3V dropout across regulation stage. Next go to a website like Digikey if you don't have a regulation controller in mind yet. you only need to limit the max voltage and current within what the battery will accept. The voltage from a motor varies quite a lot. Simplifying the circuit drastically. a smaller design with only the parts the regulation stage needs. I'm not saying it's terribly bad to have the supercap except it puts more drag on the bike at the worst possible time. =] ~Regards Name101 PCfreak says: Aug 21. but it is a start. I did throw myself into the deep end by starting with this projects with very little prior knowledge. not the primary detail that matters so much as what factors are present while riding. ac-dc says: name101 says: May 17. B) Shut off the charging circuit before it drains them too much. 2009. and generate a PCB layout. it depends on the load on it and of course gearing or friction wheel diameter. I completely forgot about the environment with my research. or really I mean a pack of series cells. If the supercap was replaced with a battery pack for example would the circuit charge the batteries and would the batteries act like a capacitor? From my understanding capacitors have the advantage of being able to charge or discharge incredibly fast while if a battery had the same current draw the battery it self would be damaged. For example. I suppose I'll keep this in mind when I'm designing future circuits. I must thank you so much with helping me here. or variable output with components you add to select the target voltage. 7:27 PM REPLY Personally.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ .8. Study the regulators example datasheet circuits as they provide the basic topology as well as reading any datasheet notes about precautions and requirements for it's rated functionality. Once the Supercap is fully charged the Circuit will only draw the current needed to maintain the charge on the device. You really don't want a linear regulator. to always have it charging you will have to use something larger and create a great deal of heat as well as extra drag riding. but it would be a secondary issue. Prior to that you probably also want to have selected a chassis for the circuit board. I want to charge my device a constant as possible(GPS device). 2009. 2009. plus it adds a lot of weight. 2:02 PM REPLY To make it as efficient as possible. and divide that by 80% or 0. its not a pipe bomb either. ~Name101 ac-dc says: May 18. Once one at least capable of this output power is selected. Ill Look into what I can do. The only way to have a small drop before the linear regulator is if you already had a wide input range switching regulator. Yes the batteries would charge like a capacitor. but putting more drag on the rider to generate that charge. charging doesn't have to continue at all moments necessarily. 9:42 PM REPLY your "PVC Pill" Just Gave me an Idea for a bike project Thx Ps. Browse through their offerings for a regulation chip capable of the input voltage variations and either fixed output for the device charging. Seriously. how fast it is spinning. I'm not suggesting no capacitors are needed for that. Obviously there's a bit more to it than described. 7:59 PM REPLY Oh. Correct? When I was doing the Research with my basic knowledge Something similar to this was perfect. to those that were probably thinking http://www. I have already outlined a much better way to do it. and have therefore determined the dimensions of the PCB and keep-out zones for mounting hardware so you can plan the circuit layout around these dimensions. perhaps 80% pulling numbers out of air. It could be good to even tweak the circuit such that applying the brakes bypasses a current limiter right after the motor so that during braking a higher % of power is produced and more motor drag. 2009.ac-dc says: May 17. So it does improve the circuit but it does not meet a different goal in use on a bicycle. A genuine 6V bike dynamo goes quite a bit above and below 6V even being designed for the task. and by keeping the voltage higher it is continual drag instead of the voltage being allowed to drop below the critical level needed to power the rest of the circuit so the rider has no moments of relief. regulated output switching circuit. IF the hub generator produced 12v for example having a single Linear regulator would be perfect. 2009. suppose 20% of the time it wasn't charging. but if you did then you wouldn't need the linear regulation stage at all. then turn on again after having gotten up to speed so they aren't putting a high early drag on acceleration.

. 4:57 PM REPLY Alexbretherton says: complicated Jun 20. And many of us can't afford a charging motor that costs more than our iPod. 3xpl0dingR4pt0r says: Now please design one for my unicycle..kd0afk says: Jul 27. 6:42 AM REPLY How about a parts list for the electronic components. 12:07 AM REPLY Shut Up Now says: May 14..when do people typically learn how to read schematics and work out big circuits. Then ill be happier.im just starting high school so thats why i am wondering. good job. still. 2009. 6:38 PM REPLY all this electrical work is way over my head. view all 172 comments http://www. 2009..instructables. 2009.com/id/How-to-Charge-Any-USB-Device-by-Riding-Your-Bike/ . 2009. how about discussing using a bicycle generator. Jul 12.

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