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CD No •. 479479

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE Jaramillo.

JARAMILLO: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

Stephanie? Yes. Do you know me? I.'m Dan

I work

over here

on the other side. how are you? Good. We're working

STEPHANIE DETECTIVE this extortion STEPHANIE DETECTIVE .we've been

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: case. LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

Yeah,

Good.

Okay.

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we

got

this guy in. the jail

talking

to and stuff. Uh~huh. And he's talking about some

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guy that he knows some stolen STEPHANIE DETECTIVE t.hf.s stuff. STEPHANIE DETECTIVE with me. he's You

that kind art.

of has some involvement

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

Okay. And
I

don't know a lot of

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: can kind

Okay. So I don't know if you'd go to him. You can see if

of talk

for real. STEPHANIE LAZARUS: Sure. Let me --

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DETECTIVE or something. STEPHANIE

·JARAMILLO:

Just for like five minutes

LAZARUS:

,Sure.

Where's

he at?

DETECT'IVE JARAMILLO: know where the felony STEPHANIE LAZARUS:

RifIht there at the -- you desk is? Yeah, let me just just went

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receiving

Oh, okay.

grab a note pad and leave a note. downstairs for some reason.
DETECTIVE ,JARAMILLO:

My partner

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Oh. So-Oh, okay. Yeah.

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STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS:

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-- let me just -- I don't

·know -- I don't know if he'll want to come. DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: Db. Yeah, like I said, it'

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STEPHANIE LAZARUS: arrested for? DET:e;CTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: working on. STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO:

Okay.

What did he get

It's an extortion that -_ Okay. __ we've been kind of-

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I'm going to take (Inaudible) Dh -_

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STEPHANIE in my thing. tell him

LAZARUS:

Yeah,

I will.

I just put it

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Let me grab that.

Hey, if you see Don,

I went downstairs

to help' a detective with

something. DETECTIVE JARAMiLLO: Yeah, I don't know if --

if-STEPHANIE or DETECTIVE extortion case. LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS: Okay. But we.'re just -(Inaudible) I can do this JARAMILLO: Yeah, it was like an LAZARUS: He got arrested for extortion

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STEPHANI~ DETECTIVE STEPHANIE because

in case, you know, for my notes .
Oh, yeah. That w~y, you know? Well, I -lim the same way.

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half

STEPHANIE before DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

LAZARUS:

I'll just put it in there

we go in. JARAMILLO: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: It You guys busy? No. It's just for me.

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STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: things,

You guys busy? So-so. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, we're working a

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lot of different they --.t~ey

but when you're

not busy,

find something

for you to do, so I need to

look busy. STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE five locations And we ended we returned deal with
up

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:'

(Inaudible) Oh, did you? (Inaudible) search warrant for from a lady.

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on a guy who stole a house getting

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it, cause we had some art that and found out that he'd kind of financial ~.. .. -. _. Wow. (Inaudible)

to the home these, you

know,

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STEPHANIE DETECTIVE get -- would elder abuse

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

(Inaudible) Yeah, it seems like those

get r.eal muddy and stuff. LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: SPEAKER:

when you get into that

STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

Yeah. You got a key, huh.? Yeah. Three, Thank please. you. Three. Oh,

UNIDENTIFIED DETECTIVE you got it?

JARAMILLO: Cool. Cool. SPEAKER:

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Excuse me.

UNIDENTIFIED

You need anything

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(Inaudible) STEPHANIE LAZARUS: Yeah, I'm going with him.

UNIDENTIFIED DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

SPEAKER:

Detective? Yeah.

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JARAMILLO: LAZARUS·:

Lazarus. Lazarus?·

UNIDENTIFIED STEPHANIE

SPEAKER:

LAZARUS:

L-a-z-Detective? -- a-r-u-s, 24270.

UNIDENTIFIED STEPHANIE (Inaudible) DETECTIVE you? STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

SPEAKER:

LAZARUS:

Yeah

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JARAMILLO:

Oh, you don t have it on
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LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

No. All right . I just walked Should in the door.

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STEPHANIE

UNIDENTIFIED STEPHANIE DETECTIVE not that lazy. STEPHANIE DETECTIVE what

SPEAKER:

I get an elevator?

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LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

We can walk. Oh, yeah, that's fine. l'm

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO;

Yeah.
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(Inaudible) That's

don't know. that.

-- I was wondering STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

about

I thought No, no. Oh.

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him but =:

I saw just a building ID on

STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: about. STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO:

Oh, okay. I donlt know what that was

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He had a rad~o. Yeah, I remember when we

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used to -- this place was jumping when they had felony receiving up here. STEPHANIE LAZARUS: Uh-huh. ( Inaudible) Yeah.

DETECTIVE JARAMILLO·: Huh? STEPHANIE LAZARUS:
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(Inaudible) theylre going

to -- they re goi·ng to move to the other section

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(Inaudible) DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: I'm not sure. Stephanie,
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know if you know my partner. Hey. Hi. Greg Hi. -- Stearns. Nice to meet you.

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DETECTIVE STEARNS: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE STEARNS:

STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE STEARNS:

STEPHANIE ~AZARUS: DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEARNS: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

Yeah, I've seen you guys. How's it going? Good. Just milling around. Well,

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have

a seat. STEPHANIE DETECTIVE
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Okay. What this is, .is -- I didn't

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to bring STEPHANIE

this up in your squad room. LAZARUS: Uh-huh. Do you want me· to

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turn it off? DETECTIVE we're good. STEPHANIE just LaZARUS:
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Oh, no, it's fine.

I think

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I use a recorder -- you're

to -- let me going to bring

turn it. off. in; right?

We re bring

somebody

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DETECTIVE

JARAMILLO: the whole

Yeah, well,

I think I'm

to explain STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

thing to you. That's fine.

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: room,

Oh, okay.

I didn't want cause -okay.

to talk about

in the squad STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

LAZARUS: JARAMILLO:

Oh, that's

I don't know what people·

are listening. STEPHANIE DETECTIV~ LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: That's true. That's true.

And if we go to my side -Yeah. everybody else is doing. Oh, yeah, sure. No problem. is always

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reviewing the case, there's some notes to see as.far as your name being mentioned .. STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: with him. DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: You did? Oh, okay. Do you know John Ruetten? John Ruet.ten? John Ruetten? Ruetten. Oh, yeah,
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DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: let's see.

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Went to UCLA in 1978.

know, met him at school at the dorms. DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: friends? Close friends? Yeah, we were very close Uh-huh. Were·you guys

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STEPHANIE LAZARUS: friends. I mean --

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DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS:

Yeah? I mean, what's this all about?

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Well, it's regarding -- it's And in

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a case we're working on, and it involves John.

there some of the statements we reviewed; you know, there's notes and-stuff that he -- that he knew you and stuff. STEPHANIE LAZARUS: Oh, yeah, I mea~, we -- good

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friends, lived in the dorms for--- I lived in the dor.m~ for two years. DETECTIVE _JARAMILLO: dorm or -STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS:
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You guys lived in the same

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Was there ever any

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STEPHANIE LAZ~US: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: married years ago.

Okay.

Okay?

Did you know her?

Not really.
No?

I mean, I ~new that he got

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DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: .Uh-huh. her? STEPHANIE LAZARUS: DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: anything? STEPHANIE LAZARUS:

Did you ever meet

God, I don't know. Do you know who she was or

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that's been a long time ago. DETECTIVE JARAMILLO:
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her.

Geez, you know? DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: Yeah. Well, let me see. How long

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And let me ask you. did you guys daOte?

You said you dated John.

STEPHANIE LAZARUS: is this something

I

mean, why?

Are you guys --

-- I mean, you said I was going to And, now, you guys

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interview somebody about art. are DETECTIVE STEARNS:

Well, here's -- here's -I mean --

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DETECTIVE'STEARNS: s,it\lation. Basically, this maybe, that's didn't those

Stephanie,

here's the'

we -- you know, we knew that

-- when we saw in the -- in -- in this chrono that

you know,
what want kinds

there was some relationship

there

the chrono s'eemed to indicate

-- and we

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to come up to you at your desk and ask of questions or do anything. can see what's

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You know how up there people on if you go into an interview getting supplies.

room or people are

in there

STEPHANIE DETECTIVE some privacy, STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

LAZARUS: STEARNS: some

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tha t 's okay.

I mean

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to afford 'you

confiden~iality Okay. to talk about this, cause You know,

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we thought you're and

it might

be, you know,

something.

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married

to someone

else obv~ously

and so forth

that you may not want things want in that

to, you know, talk about where someone -- you know,

these

setting mill

we don't kind

the rumor to start. LAZARUS:

or gossip

or any of that

of stuff STEPHANIE

I mean,

that'S

fine.

I

mean DETECTIVE STEARNS: to you So we did this j~st as a means

to try and speak

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I mean,

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you know, where

-- where your business

out there

for other people in, you .know -LAZARUS: STEARNS: Well,
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STEPHANIE DETECTIVE about. STEPHANIE been a million is it now?

mean,

yeah. to know

your

div~sion

LAZARUS: years ago.

I mean,

you know, God, that's

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2009.

I mean,

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Well,

let me ask

long would

you say you guys d~ted? I couldn't '78. even say. I

LAZARUS: school

Geez, there in

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UCLA in 1978.

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1960.

I

think he was a little bit

Okay.
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mean, you kno~, I mean, I knew his parents. sister. His brother went to Northridge.
Uh-huh.

I kne~ his

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the night at my house before. night at his house before. at
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You know,

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Yeah. I -- you know, I don't correct me if I'm

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DETECTIVE' JARAMILLO': Well,

wrong, cause ~rom what you're telling me is you guys, dated while you were in college together; right? STEPHANIE LAZARUS: c;:ollege. DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: Okay. I can't geez, I'm trying to Yeah, and probably after

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I met my husband in -I was teaching

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But we had long stopped, you know, dating

before that. DETECTIVE STEARNS; So you haven't talked to him

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talked to him _in a long time.

when the last time I talked to him.
thinking in '92 maybe, April of '92.

DETECTIVE JARAMILLQ: STEPHANIE LAZARUS: was teaching
This

Scott being your husband? Yeah, I'm trying to think. I What year is this? I got married in 1996. Prior to that I couldn't

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tell you how long I had talked, you 'know, talked to

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that.
Uh-huh. But since you -- since you met

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your husband, Scott, you haven't talked to him? STEPHANIE LAZARUS: once or twice -DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: STEPH~IE LAZARUS: Uh-huh. -- before we got married. Right_ You know, geez, I -- I lived I mean, he may have called ~e

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to Simi in 1994 because I lost my house

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in contact with a few people from the dorms. We -- we
all -- we all lived about There's on the 10th floor. I keep
Antl there's

three or four people probably, close. JARAMILLO: STEARNS: LAZARUS: keep

in contact with.

like, six or eight of us that were

all really

DETECTIVE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE people with I still

Uh-buh. And who were those people?

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I

her in a long DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

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mean,

what what's

what this all

you

what's

-- what's

-- I mean,

about?

I mean JARAMILLO: Well, let me ask you what

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you and John? I don't it

You know what?

was kind we dated. don't

of a weird I can't

relationship. say

I mean, we -- we I

that he was my boyf-riend. consider

know

that he would

me his girlfriend.

We just

we dated.
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We did

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His brother

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basketball.

We just,

you know, it just didn't work out.
know other what to tell you. I sa~ other you know? JARAMILLO: friends
LAZARUS:

I mean, I don't with

It was, guys.

like, I,went'out I went on lots of

guys.

vacations,

DETECTIVE you guys still

And once you guys split were of, you know, problems? -Not

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I mean

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No,

I don't

think it was not
I know that we

mean , we were

frien¢ily. Another

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at one point. dying right

friend of mine went to Hawaii

now was

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Do you remember,

roughly,

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LAZARUS:

Geez,

let me think.

I,have to

my pictures_ Greg,

Or I -- I'd say I'd ask Greg, but is, like, dying of liver cancer right

my friend, now.

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE it's DETECTIVE

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It's 2009 now. Had you ever· met his wif~?
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may have.

Do you know

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do you remember

or al).ythingor she worked

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or what she did for a living about her?

or anything

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Well, I think she -- I'm going
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mean,

I

can't even
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how he -- he said he met her. I mean,

I mean,

I -- you know, DETECTIVE

it's been so long ago. Well, let me .ask you did you

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been

a million DETECTIVE

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ever

talked at

to her?

it seems like a lot of ' you UCLA, you guys kind of school. afterwards So I don't ·know once he was

who were were

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I mean,

say -- you know,

the -- the people

that were on

floor we'd have. -- we did get togethoers. probably, came. like, four or five -- I don't think think

Yeah,

I don't

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

Okay. No, it was -- there was you know, another a girl named

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like --. it was mostly Smeeda Dianes.

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girls, There's

(ph), Diane.

-- there's two

But the one Diane with

I don't her.

think she ever came. We were good friends

I kind of lost contact on the floor. DETBCTIVE STEPHANIE know, again,

JARAM~LLO: LAZARUS: I mean, what

Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, I don't -- you I don't

-- you know, about

understand million

why you're ago.

talking

sOm'e guy I da~ed a

years

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to his. wife? LAZARUS: STEARNS: Yeah, What I know she got killed. did you what did you

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I don't remember how I h.eard. I mean, I don't

even remember what year it was. DETECTIVE STEARNS: And you think -- you

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thought -- you said you thought his wife was a nurse. Do you have any' idea where she was working at the time, or did he ever mention or a doctor's office? STEPHANIE LAZARUS: it.
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may have talked to her

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of -- used to see John, you know, was it -- everything okay between you guys?
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mean, there was never

anything uncomfortable or anything between you and her? STEPHANIE LAZARUS:
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I

don't know.
I

mean, it's -- God, it's been so.many years.

mean,

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uncomfortable?

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I don't even know what year she, you know, got killed.

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Where was his apartment? On Roscoe. "Okay. Yeah, Roscoe and east or west

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either east or west of De Soto. Do you know where he moved

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LAZARUS:
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in the Valley.

Did you ever visit him and

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No.
No? No. Never _ wen t out to, you know,_

No. anything No. of that nature?

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from -- I take a lot of photos. DETECTIVE
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everything, playing Where have

and I had seen some

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and he had a deal to scan. STEARNS: LAZARUS: photos. Uh-huh. So I -- I spent a ton of time I mean, I paid a company to do

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it.
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Oh, yeah. How long did that take the~? Months. Now, what -- what do th~y curious myself.

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·do they put

that

on a -- I'm just Well,

STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE They don't --

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they see

Do they put it on A DVD. Do they get that -A DVD. -- get that all on one DVD?

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LAZARUS: STEARNS:

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anything?
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11 DVD's.

even -- I don't even

have time to -DETECTIVE STEARNS: Oh, they -- it's a series of

DVD's that they put them on? STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE computer stuff. LAZARUS:
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I'm not that familiar

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STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE had a chance go through have time

LAZARUS: STEARNS: LAZARUS:

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I --

I haven't
I --

even

to go through

you Gould I don't

and pick which
to do that. STEARNS: JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

ones you don't want.

DETECTIVE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

Right. Yeah. You know, I don't so -- so,-like you

did I -- y~u know,

think we ever

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you know, if he's married, calleq bim, I mean, maybe. know. It's been

I don't

a million

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JARAMILLO: died? LAZARUS:

How long was John married

STEPHANIE have no idea. DETECTIVE did

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-- I have no idea.

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fri ends.

You know, I'm

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sure I talked DETECTIVE DETECTIVE not sure where STEPHANIE DETECTIVE or STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

Yeah. But you to after No idea. Never went -- you don't

--

you're

he got married?
I

mean -over to visit him

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I mean, he -- I may know. I mean, he

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may have

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in the V~lley.

I

he .may have said

lived over such and such, but where.

I -- I couldn't DETECTIVE specifically, them wherever STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

tell you specifically STEARNS:

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ever going he moved LAZARUS; STEARNS: LAZARUS: --

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don't

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I --

I

honestly,

I don't

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DETECTIVE STEPHANIE say, no, she came You know,

STEARNS: LAZARUS: think

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I don't over I'm

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party,

you know?

if you gUys know
I don't know. I

something, 'I -- I just -- I can't don't think so. DETECTIVE you I·mean JARAMILLO: -- but -After

John's wife died and to him, did your

said you may have been start

talking

relationship STEPHANIE

up again? I would say, no. Again, can

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this is, like, 2009. She died in 1986?

Yeah,

I think it's

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1986. Okay. I went Like I said, to Hawaii -I'm -- I'm

remembering

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

Uh-huh. -- with my friend Greg. diving. Greg

and I got certified

for scuba meaning

And. I'm thinking

that John met us there, could've or I mean again, been

Greg and I. That toward the end of '88

I got certified '88, been,

-- yeah,

,89, cause like,

I got re certified so I

and it had

over 10 -- 10 years,

got re certified.

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I can't my hqrne. together

even say -- he may have. called me, you know, at I may have with called him. I don't think he got.

our group, JARAMILLO: You don't think after his

DETECTIVE wi-fe's death? STEPHANIE know, we went DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

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LAZARUS: to weddings STEARNS: LAZARUS:

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I don't.

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he -- after he got anybody in'

or whatever, Like,

were yo~ dating there And

.particular? STEPHANIE DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE in around

was

LAZARUS: STEARNS: LAZARUS: STEARNS:

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yeah,

what year?

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I mean,

you know, I dated a

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to think when I

probably

met Mike

went to Devonshire

see.

I left Hollywood '84 to And

in 80 _.- I -- I worked and 'then I went to

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No, actually, Cause

it's --

I used to work

LAZARUS: STEARNS:

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no. ifit

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in '85.

And I'm thinking
shortly

would've

met him probably Cause

sometime

after I went

to Devonshire. met his buddies you know,

I met him and his -- I actually

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And then Mike and I dated,
of casually.

just really

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he passed away.

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but he passed

He was in a coma, and

they pulled

the -- t~e plug. STEARNS: LAZARUS: even Right. It seems like. Anyway, so,

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE you know,

I couldn't I went

tell you what

what year And I know I

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STEARNS: LAZARUS:

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if they remember. else.

now married three

to somebody

Ca.use I kind of all

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you know~ Did you kind of socialize? did those guys come ~

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when

you were too?

out with Mike, Was it kind

out with with

you

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two firemen, they

Eric and Gary.

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introduced dated

me to Mike, -- Mike

I met Mike. DETECTIVE STEPHANIE even

And Mike

and I dated.

STEARNS:
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say - - I couldn't then working it was out,

because wasn't

and we'd me,

be better I think,

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you know, on -- that

he introduced -- who now

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trying dated.

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with

that gal. I'm even started

couldn't

tell you the gal's name if right. And then I

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a lot of times, that I've had,

right,

at least

from my female partners dating

you know, kind some

it's hard

guys that aren't involved in because some -- a lot --

of our circle,
guys

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On a

No, no, an engineer.

Oh, a professional
Yeah. I -- okay. And

engineer?

then I think he lost a job

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STEPHANIE in Hawaii.

Like I said, he met Greg and I

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to go, like,

go as a group or you ran

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scuba going

we just got certified to be in Hawaii. come-join STEARNS: LAZARUS: us. Right.

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And I think that's what it

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I'd

have

to look at my pictures. DETECT.IVE JARAMILLO: STEPHANIE LAZARUS~

traveled

Uh-hul;l. -- on my vacations. I mean, I

was always places, knqw

gone far at least a month.·

And I would go or, you

and I would

either. run into people

-- you know, meet people. DETECTIVE JARAMILLO: And Greg -- this Greg we're someone you were dating or

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talking about he was like just a buddy STEPHANIE or -LAZARUS:

No, YQu know·what? out probably Uh-huh. ~d
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I wqu~d

I would· say we started DETECTIVE STEPHANIE
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just buddies.

JARAMILLO:

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or he was with like we ended sister. know,

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LAZ~US:· --somebody,

either·I

was with
..

somebody
.

but we all -- it was kind of of being like brother and

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L-

up just kind

And maybe

he wanted

something

more but, you out, but w,e

it just -- it never, together. JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

you know, worked

did things

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE
him
I

Uh-huh. You know,
him -I

would
I

consider I've been Greg

I ve probably

known

let s see.

on the job almost 23, 24 years. DETECTIVE

26 years.

I've probably

known

JARAMILLO:

So you still

talk to him?
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S~EPHANIE cancer

LAZARUS:

Oh, yeah, he's dying of liver

right now. JARAMILLO: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: Oh, he's Yeah. 'of cancer, .yeah. I'm the one dying

DETECTIVE STEP~E DETECTIVE sorry . . STEPHANIE I consider

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LAZARUS:

Yeah,

so

so, you know, I

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him a good

friend. Uh-huh. You know ~- you know, I don't

DETECTIVE 10 STEPHANIE know what

JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

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to tell you on that . STEARNS: being
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.DETECTIVE about John's

mean,
I

when

-- when you heard

wife

killed,.

mean, what was You thought yo~ heard or in a bulletin or

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your :- what was your about it, what,

reaGtion? a friend

through

something? STEPHANIE
I

LAZARUS:
I

Either
I

a friend
I

or a bulletin~ the family.

obviously
-I

--

mean,

called.

called

I

called I mean,

maybe

some of his it's

friends shock.

that -- that I If you're -- if

knew. I heard

obviously,

it at wor k , you know, remember a bulletin me.
I

which going

I may have around.

-- I

I faintly

Either

that or somebody

called

also don't remember.

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DETECTIVE JARAMILLO:

Right.

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called .I can't honestly hey,

his family,

called

-- I don't know i-nitially spoke to him or noe. I

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say if I initially don't remember.

I_may have said to somebody, to talk, and then he

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have

him cal-l me if he wants done that. STEARNS: LAZARUS: JARAMILLO: Uh-hilh.

may have

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE circumstances STEPHANIE Geez, I don't

You :)m.ow Do you know what the her death? let me think back. ~

w.ere regarding LAZARUS: know

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Geez,

if it was -- you know, if it was a Yeah, ,it's -- I mean, I can faintly itt,sbeen

burglary so many may have

or something. years.

I -- I mean,

think that I

saw a flier. Yeah. It may have had her picture on that's why I say if somebody

----15_,---- -DETECTIVE' JARAMILLO: ,_. - 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 name? STEPHANIE Something. year sand You LAZARUS: know, it. STEPHANIE You know, me, LAZARUS: I may

had called was. would I may

I may rio have known what her last name t; mean, maybe if you t o Ld me, I

have.r

remember DETECTIVE

it, you

know? Do you remember 'her first

JARAMILLO:

Shelly, like

Sherri.

I don't know.

I said,

it's been so many

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DETECTIVE

JARAMILLO:

But from all the years as you don't -- do you remember

far as you can remember,

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4

ever talking to her just STEPHANIE LAZARUS:
earlier,

Well, it's just -- I said

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9

you know, I -- I mean, I may have.

DETECTIVE STEPHANIE

.

JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

.

Uh- huh •.

You know, I may have

talked to

her.

I-DETECTIVE STEPHANIE DETECTIVE

STEARNS:
LAZARUS:' S~EARNS:

Okay.
It

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sound -- you know

--

You mentioned

a hospital

maybe.

You may have

talked

to her at a hospital? yeah, I may have. You

STEPHANIE know,

LAZARUS:

Yeah, now

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I'm thinking

back

that you guys are bringing

is--·· ···back--all-· these old memories.

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DETECTIVE

STEARNS:

No,

it kind of dus·ts off the

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cobwebs. STEPHANIE
DETECTIVE

LAZARUS: STEARNS: LAZARUS: date. people.

You know, I mean, We understand .. I'm thinking He would
that

geez.

STEPHANIE I mean, would

--

because, I

we would other

date other people.

date

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DETECTIVE STEPHANIE point, I mean,

STEARNS:
LAZARUS: he may

Uh-huh. And I think, you know, been TN0 at one

have

dating her or -- I

LYNDEN J. AND AssnrT~~R~

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don't

know.

Maybe

he was married.

I don't even Why are you

remember. calling

And I'm, like, you know what? either dating

me if you're

her or living with don't remember

her or married the time frame.

to her?

Cause

I honestly

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DETECTIVE STEPHANIE it off. may have

JARAMILLO: LAZARUS:

Uh-huh. And I·Im, like, come on. I'm thinking I may Knock
I

And lim gone

-- and, now,

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to her and said, you?

hey, you know what? He's

You

know what? me. about And

Is he dating

he's bothering

so I'm thinking

that we had a conversation

that,

one or two maybe.
I

You know don't want

I -- it c'ou ' ve been three. Ld three No, conversations of course. even --

I

to say I had

with her.

'DETECTIVE JAR..AMtLLO: 16 17 18 19'
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STEPHANI'E LAZARUS: DETECTIVE their house'or STEPHANIE you know, worked. he, LAZARUS: obviously, STEARNS:

I don't But

like at her work or at

No,

I'm thinking

that I'm she in

must've

told me where

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I'm thinking

it was

a hospital could've
I I

somewhere been

LA, and I just what year was

-- I mean, that?
I

that was

--

again,

Where don't

working? don't

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25 think

You know, of where I

--

--

I'm trying to

--

when

did you

say they got married?

LYNDEN

J. AND ASSOCIATES.

TNr.,

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