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STATE OF NEW JERSEY NEW JERSEY MEADOWLANDS COMMISSION AMERICAN DREAM AT MEADOWLANDS PROJECT PUBLIC HEARING ------------------------------------10:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. November 15, 2011 50 State Route 120 East Rutherford, New Jersey B E F O R E: MARCIA KARROW, Executive Director New Jersey Meadowlands Commission SCOTT BRUBAKER, Director Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection RICHARD TOMER, Chief of the Regulatory Branch U.S. Army Corps of Engineers ALSO PRESENT: MAURICE GRIFFIN, Deputy Attorney General Division of Law and Public Safety JAMES PALMER, Assistant District Counsel Reported by: Susan Bischoff, CCR, RPR Certified Court Reporter

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MS. KARROW:

Good morning.

I'm Marcia

Karrow, Executive Director of the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission, NJMC. With me is Scott

Brubaker, the Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review at the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, NJDEP, and Richard Tomer, who will be here momentarily, of the United States Army Corps of Engineers. We're the Hearing Officers for the Also seated with

public hearing to be held today.

us is Maurice Griffin, Deputy Attorney General from New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety and James Palmer, Assistant District Counsel. We welcome all of you who have come to

attend this meeting. This morning we are holding two public hearings on two processes related to the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement and Water Park Project. First, I will read a statement with

respect to the Hearing Officers' consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorizing legislation, to be followed by a statement read by Rich Tomer of the Army Corps of Engineers related to a permit application submitted to his agency. My statement is as

New Jersey. We will receive comments at two separate sessions today and tomorrow. the New Jersey DEP. DSEIS has been available since October 31st. We are here this morning to receive public comments on the Draft Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. It has also been available at all public libraries in each of the Meadowlands District municipalities. The first session . prepared by the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority for the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement and Water Park Project to construct an amusement park and a water park within the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East Rutherford. This hearing provides you with the opportunity to comment on the DSEIS. on the websites and at the offices of the Meadowlands Commission. dated March 2004. and the Sports Authority. 2011. dated October 2011. or DSEIS. The DSEIS was prepared as a supplement to the Preliminary Environmental Impact Statement of the Meadowlands Xanadu Redevelopment Project at the Continental Airlines Arena Site. Your comments will be considered The during the preparation of the final SEIS.5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 follows.

During today's proceedings. the Authority consults with the Meadowlands Commission on the location. please sign in at the registration desk. and character of the project and with the Meadowlands Commission and the Department of Environmental Protection on ecological factors constituting the environment of the Hackensack Meadowlands so the delicate environmental balance of the Hackensack Meadowlands may be maintained and preserved. Please turn off all cell phones and pagers during the hearing. tonight. type.m.if you want to speak. If you wish to submit written or verbal comments. which is out front. and the second session starts at six p. indicate that on the registration sheet. the Hearing . if you're going to speak -.6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 starts now at 10 a. Today's hearing is part of a consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorization legislation. If anyone has not already done so. you must sign in at the front desk so that we know who you are and that you want to speak. Also.m. When the Sports Authority proposes development projects at the Meadowlands Sports Complex.

The Hearing Officers' report and recommendations will thereafter be available at the offices and on the websites of the Meadowlands Commission. 2011. the Sports Authority will complete and publish the final SEIS. I'm No one is here today to All We're playing Jeopardy. 2012. and copies of the materials submitted by the public will be included in the final SEIS. A summary of the hearing. but will receive them for review and consideration. The Hearing Officers will then review the final SEIS and submit their report and recommendations to the Department of Environmental Protection and the Meadowlands Commission for approval on or about March 9. which will include written responses to the public comments on the DSEIS. the NJDEP and the Sports Authority.7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Officers will not respond to comments. and at local public . copies of the handouts. and will submit it to the Hearing Officers and to the Department and the Commission. The final SEIS is expected to be available to the public in January 2012. your questions must be formed as a comment. After the close of the comment period on the consultative process on December 19th. answer questions. going to restate it.

Bear with me. The permit applicant proposes to discharge fill material into 5. care of Triple Five Development. TOMER: Thank you. to assist in the regulatory review of a permit application by Metro Central. and receive public comment. U. I'm Richard Tomer. The permit applicant has proposed to mitigate for all impacts to the aquatic environment. I will be the presiding officer for the morning session on behalf of the Corps of Engineers. I'm going to turn over the microphone to Rich Tomer from the Army Corps of Engineers for his statement. I'm Chief of the Regulatory Branch for the New York District.S. good thing the mike works. MR. The Corps of Engineers is here today to obtain information and evidence. . I'm still getting over a little laryngitis. LLC. Army Corps of Engineers.74 acres of Corps of Engineers regulated tidal and non-tidal waters of the United States to facilitate its construction of a commercial amusement and water park.8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 libraries within the Meadowlands District.

This means that anyone may make an oral or written statement concerning the subject matter of this hearing. Our role is to determine whether the proposed activity is in the overall public interest. but cross examination of witnesses will not be . The Corps of Engineers is not a proponent for nor an opponent of the proposed work. Anyone may appear on his or her own behalf. or be represented by counsel or other representatives. Because the work involves a discharge of fill material within waters of the United States. This hearing will play an important role in that determination. This hearing will be conducted according to the procedures set forth in Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations. to present recommendations or information. a Department of the Army permit is required from the Corps of Engineers pursuant to Section 10 of the Federal Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 and Section 404 of the Clean Water Act. Part 327.9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The permit applicant's stated purpose for the work is to construct a commercial amusement park and water park as a component of the American Dream Meadowlands Complex.

And that website address as well as our New York City office mailing address are printed on information sheets. Regulatory Branch. November 28th.USACE. As a reminder. again.10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 permitted. registration table. if you need it. KARROW: Thank you. MS. that address is on sheets that we have available on the information table today. New York. which is on Monday. Room 1937. Corps of Engineers. The hearing transcript will be available on the Corps of Engineers website and a copy will be available for public inspection or purchase at the Corps of Engineers office in New York City.ARMY. I would like to invite Tony Armlin of Triple Five to present an overview of the proposed . And. New York 10278-0090.MIL. The website WWW. written comments on the permit application addressed to the Corps of Engineers may be submitted until the close of the comment period for the Corps of Engineers. A verbatim record of the public hearing is being made. 26 Federal Plaza. At this time.NAN. 2011. comments should be directed to: All written They're available at the New York District. Rich.

This is a photograph of the existing site showing the ERC building in the background and the proposed site area for the water park and amusement park. This is the site plan for the project. This is done in consultation with the Army Corps of Engineers. I'm a vice president of development and construction for Triple Five. MR. amusement park area . Quick background. the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection and the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. we're the developers of the project. which will incorporate the amusement park and water park site into the overall master plan for the project. The purpose of today is to present this overview of our master plan modification. Thank you very much. ARMLIN: morning. Good My name is Tony Armlin. again showing the existing building footprint and the new proposed water park. We wanted to give you about a ten minute overview of our application so that we can provide the background information necessary for the comment period this afternoon or this morning. excuse me. among others.11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 project.

75 acres immediately adjacent to the existing ERC site. The water park is 236. Total size. for an enclosed amusement park. The use of the site. And again scaled to a size that will attract and make a major tourist destination and strategically located in connection to the existing ERC building. in relationship to the new stadium and the existing ERC. would be approximately 7 acres. Again. It is a strategic location site for the project.000 square feet. which I will explain shortly in relationship to the integration of amusement to the existing entertainment and retail components currently planned. our site location. as has been described. for a total of 639.000 feet and they are share a common area of about 85. The Radio Tower site is 21.000 square feet of area or about 13 acres of footprint on the .000 square feet.12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 on what is commonly known as the Radio Tower site adjacent to the existing ERC site. the amusement park is 318. a little bit larger. Project description. in yellow. Another five plus acres for an enclosed water park.

opened 20 years ago in 1992 and has been successful throughout that period. And I'll show this rendering in comparison to our existing facility at Mall of America. And some renderings of what we anticipate the park will look like. And you can see very similar Mall of America concepts.000 square foot connection point. This is a blowup of the new water park. This is a rendering of the water park interior that we will be constructing on the proposed site.75 acre site. a 30 year experience of successful operation with a . Again. amusement park site in connection to the ERC. an actual photograph of the Mall of America enclosed park. again seven acres. which is the background and back drop for the business plan we're promoting with this new addition to the existing ERC concept. This is the Mall of America.13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 21. And this is the actual water park that we run at the West Edmonton Mall. things we have done. There's a bridging connection point that crosses the existing service road and the separation of the amusement park and water park parcels along with the 85.

We have each of those components at our Mall of America facility and our West Edmonton Mall facility. it was clear to us that one of the major components that were omitted. Purpose and need. that really is essential for the project to be developed to become a world class tourist destination and attraction component is to have an enclosed water park and amusement park. which is to promote tourism and job growth. Basically to provide components necessary to the project that aren't currently involved. That's the primary focus of including the water park and amusement park in the existing plan. We also see that the inclusion of the entertainment components and the amusement components helps further the goals of the NJSEA. When we looked at the project overall. coming in to see about the viability of redeveloping the existing improvement. And we see that as a fundamental part of how to move the project forward. We also see that we enhance the existing components .14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 major world wide tourist destination attraction. both with multi-decade successes. as a development team.

habitat. reviewed both on-site and off-site alternatives. we would not be able to move the American Dream at Meadowlands project forward. importantly. utilities. but creates the critical mass necessary to move the project forward. but the site that we are proposing. not only replicates our model. Next step in our process was to look at alternatives to this particular site. Also as part of the evaluation process. solid waste recycling.15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the Meadowlands Complex themselves. It is essential to the economic viability of the project. through historic and archeological impacts to look at and give a very hard look at the impacts that would be generated by the . And determined through that evaluation process that there really were n practicable alternative sites available. Our engineering team. 20 categories of evaluation were conducted by Langan Engineers and their support team that ran from geological and soils impacts. wetlands impacts. the inclusion of these two But most components. It's our feeling at Triple Five without the inclusion of these components. led by Langan Engineering.

6 billion dollars in wages.9 billion dollars of investment that's already been made in the existing facility.16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 project.000 jobs off-site. Back drop for the investment.000 construction phase jobs. without existing use. we'll be adding 1. energy conservation. and best operations practices . an average of 382 million dollars (sic) of wages per year. And we're going to design a parking facility that uses green design. There's existing infrastructure on the site that we're highly leveraging. When looking at the project. We'll generate over 19. we're appropriately sizing utilities. we also had to evaluate the potential adverse environmental impacts and to try to mitigate those impacts. permanent on-site. it is a currently abandoned site. In the construction phase. Over a 20 period.825 billion dollars of investment on top of the existing 1. of which 9. During the operations phase. as well as an additional 6. Looking at the Radio Tower site itself.500 jobs. so we don't have to create new infrastructure.100 jobs will be on-site. American Dream's permanent on-site staff will earn approximately 7. we'll generate almost 11.

. Also.17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 learned over 30 years of successful operation at our two other facilities. including erosion of sediment. Short-term impacts include erosion -construction phase issues. increased regional economic growth through increased tourism and related spending. Long term impacts. Increased jobs. Our projects at Triple Five are focused on generating destination type retail and entertainment experiences. air and noise emissions issues during construction. in which we draw regionally and nationally and internationally to attract new dollars into the economies locally and generate new revenues for the municipalities and states in which our project reside. increased air emissions. increased use of sanitary and solid waste.74 acres of wetlands. But also benefits including increased jobs as well as increased taxes generated for local municipalities and for the State of New Jersey. a major part of the foundation of our projects. increased traffic from patrons and employees. Most significant is the impact of approximately 5. increased traffic from construction. increased use of energy and potable water. increase taxes.

which is anticipated in January or February of 2012.5 acres of projected wetlands impacts will be addressed through a mitigation banking process. Triple Five is strongly committed to complying with all the federal regulations and laws related to the unavoidable impacts of affecting existing wetlands.18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Environmental impacts. The 5. and the Meadowlands Conservation Trust to identify appropriate mitigation sites in the region. a 40 acre We parcel. the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. We've identified five potential locations and approaches to dealing with this. which we would look to satisfy all 5. which is currently under review but pending approval. Or looking at the Keane tract.5 . restoration or preservation.5 acre credits at that site. or a combination thereof. which include use of three acre credits of the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission at the Secaucus High School site. will be seeking about 2. looking at the Evergreen MRI-3 mitigation bank. It's our intention to work collaboratively with the Army Corps of Engineers and with the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission.

identified several things that do reduce -further reduce potential traffic impacts. which include mass transit improvements. Similarly we would also talk to the wetlands preservation areas with other existing sites we are currently negotiating with several sites and have made an offer on one. The concept of internal trips. another major impact component. including the rail stations addition. Traffic impacts. And then finally. We did And still in our analysis we see only a marginal increase in traffic overall due the inclusion of the amusement park and water park components. There are several mitigation factors Also in our studies. not include them in our analysis. which is our own patrons coming . We will not disclose that location until we've reached a final negotiation. our last option would be to make payment to the State of New Jersey Wetlands Mitigation Council Fund. we've that are involved.19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 acres of impacts through the development with the Meadowlands Conservation Trust of an appropriate construction and restoration project of that site. These include significant improvements in features since the original EIS was done in 2004.

Obviously. and also attending an amusement component. People already going by the site. We are an entertainment destination. removing traffic congestion from the local roadways. The concept of bypass trips. so it's a shared one time destination visit going to either retail and entertainment component at the same time. Some of the concepts of traffic management are a very important part of the way Triple Five looks at all its properties. Looking . Interchange improvements at the New Jersey Turnpike. the improvements that have been done at Metlife Stadium. Additional trip generation analysis was also done to look at our intended visitors.20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 for multiple purposes within the project. the improvement and installation of variable message signs and operations and adaptive signalization to reduce traffic congestion along the local intersections. That extends the duration of our We're not a shopping center. visitor. the conditions related to the existing blue laws that limit and preclude certain retail shopping activities on Sundays. which will also reduce traffic. that will naturally come in.

between the airports.000 construction jobs. ultimately. As you can see. new connections that can be made through rubber tire connection and mass transit throughout the area. the local rail station connectivity.000 permanent jobs. the routes that connect those. . We wouldn't have been able to find a site with the wealth of infrastructure related to mass transit improvements. Socioeconomic impacts. As I said earlier.825 billion of new investment. 19. improving route connections. And all And improvements since the 2004 analysis that was done originally. all major components of improvements to the area site. over That concludes our summary 17. including transit stations and local rider drop off and pick up areas. 1.21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 at basically leveraging existing bus lines and services. Some of the improvements also that have happened over the past several years for mass transit connectivity to the site are absolutely fantastic. making sure that we have good accessibility and features available to bring mass transit components into and out of our site.9 billion dollars of existing investment will be added to by 1.

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for this morning and turning it over to comment. MS. KARROW: Thank you, Tony. The

hearing is now open for comments.

I will call the

persons who have indicated on the registration sheets that they wish to comment. At any time, fi

you decide that you do want to comment, just go out back to the registration desk and let them know and they'll let me know. You can comment at

any time during the comment period this morning. You can come back tonight, tomorrow morning or tomorrow night. Currently, I have 19 people who would like to speak. So let me again remind you that

all comments should be brief and directed to either the DSEIS consultative process or the Corps of Engineers permit application. When you're called to present your comments, please stand and give your name. have a podium up here, the name of your organization. I'm sorry, please state and its We

spelling for our stenographer, who is recording the hearing. Please give the name of your

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Meadowlands Commission and the New Jersey Department of Environmental protection. If you

have written materials, please give copies to the stenographer. minutes. Please limit your comments to five

You may be afforded additional time for

your comments or rebuttal after we've gone through the list of those who have signed up on the registration sheets. If you are submitting written comments, please just summarize them and do not read them at length. So I'm going to hold you to the first At the end after everybody has

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spoken who has signed up, if you still have things that you want to say, I am happy to call you back up. The hearing record and comment period for the Corps of Engineers will remain open until the close of business on Monday, November 28th, 2011, for the receipt of written comments on the permit application. All comments should be sent

to the following address so as to be received prior to the closing of the comment period. York District, Corps of Engineers, Regulatory Branch, Room 1937, 26 Federal Plaza, New York, New York 10278-0090. The NJDEP and NJMC will accept New

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additional written comments on the DSEIS consultative process until the close of business on Monday, December 19th, 2011. They may be

submitted in writing to Scott Brubaker, B-R-U-B-A-K-E-R, Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review, New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, 401 East State Street, PO Box 402, Trenton, New Jersey 08625. Or to me, Marcia Karrow, K-A-R-R-O-W,

Executive Director, New Jersey Meadowlands Commission, One DeKorte Park Plaza, Lyndhurst, New Jersey 07071. Copies of the public notice with

instructions, should you wish to provide written comments are available at the registration desk. Our first speaker is Kathleen Donovan, County Executive of Bergen County. MS. DONOVAN: morning, everyone. Thank you very much. Good

Also, I'd like to note that I'm

Freeholder John Felice is with me as well.

going to speak very quickly, and in my comments are included everything that you have asked us to say as well. Again, I am testifying today in both my official capacity as Bergen County Executive, but also as a near life-long resident of south Bergen,

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who knows firsthand the beneficial impact developments such as American Dream can have the environment and the overall quality of life in this region. I grew up in neighboring Lyndhurst and currently reside in Rutherford. I know the

Meadowlands from before the act creating the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission was passed, before the Sports Authority was created, and when garbage from New York City and throughout northern New Jersey was land filled here. that we have come a long way. It should be noted that I strongly support the development of American Dream in general and the entertainment and amusement components in particular. It should also be noted There is no question

that members of my staff and I have met on several occasions with representatives of Triple Five, the developers of American Dream. totally forthcoming. They have been

They have not - and I

underscore not - asked Bergen County to provide funding or assume financial risk for this project. And if they ever should, I do not and would not support that. They have provided compelling

evidence that American Dream cannot be developed

we can very well face another failure. very strong case. and I am pleased that these initiatives will be replicated here in New Jersey. It will significantly contribute to the overall quality of life throughout the region.and I . similar to those Triple Five incorporated into Mall of America in Minnesota and the Edmonton Mall in Canada. Triple Five has utilized cutting edge technology since the opening of its Mall of America in 1992. The cost of another failure will be astronomical. Mall of America recycles 60% of its wast -. completion of American Dream will serve as a catalyst for improved infrastructure and environmental improvements as well as a center for economic development and my goal of making Bergen County a major tourism attraction in partnership with our neighbors to the east. both in terms of social impacts and the very real financial cost to the public. They have made a One only need look at the previous failures to see that without a family oriented component. Alternatively. But who is going to pay for the clean up of this mess that was left behind.26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 without the entertainment and amusement component we are discussing here today.

27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 go into in my letter of comment to you. to name just a few of the 200 charities and organizations they support will help Bergen County residents to have a willing partner. Right now the most important contribution this project will make is reducing unemployment in the region. The economic ripple will Support ultimately be felt throughout the region. . Special Olympics.000 construction jobs will be employed on this site and they will give way to some 15.recycles 100 tons of glass bottles every year. converts the fat from restaurant friers into more than 5. and Make-a-Wish Foundation. I'm giving you some of this as an example of the environmental impact in the positive sense that will happen here.000 pounds of biodiesel fuel per month. This is the most Over critical quality of life issue we face. of which I will give you copies -. Of particular interest is the fact that the mall does not use a central heating system -and this is Mall of America. 9. its philanthropic outreach to Big Brothers and Big Sisters.000 permanent employees. Triple Five's corporate commitment t establishing business opportunities for groups.

Bergen County has borne the brunt of expensive failures here and in neighboring . but in addition. Thank you. One more minute. DONOVAN: critical impact: wetlands. Another Improved quality of the The site in question is degraded. American Dream will provide the critical mass to maximize the effectiveness of this connection and greatly improvement transit opportunities for auto-dependent commuters and visitors alike. The best of way to reduce traffic congestion and improve air quality is to get motorists out of fossil fuel cars by giving them an alternative. MS. and in a word a swamp. there is no American Dream and the dominos fall from there. American Dream provides that But without the entertainment and amusement component. One more paragraph.28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 for this project to stand on job creation alone. The region non-performing. the project will contribute significantly to improved air and water quality. it is underutilized. KARROW: MS. alternative. will benefit from the mitigation required by this project. A rail connection already exists between the sports complex and Lautenberg rail station.

MAYOR CASSELLA: me get into the room. Rutherford. That's five minutes. We need the jobs. East Rutherford. I thank you very much for listening. KARROW: what it sounds like. thank you for allowing me to speak here today. MS. this premise. that's Thank you very much. Tens of millions of dollars of public funds have been spent with no discernible public benefit. Mayor. were not . Completion of American dream can reserves much of that and fulfill the long-held promise of employment and opportunity. need this project. Our next speaker is Mayor Cassella. And I strongly urge that you agree with Thank you very much. I believe it is absolutely We environmentally correct for our region and our area. We need the money in our economy. and North Arlington have been left holding the bag. let me just Thank you for letting say that going back to the beginning of this. the Xanadu project. First of all. First of all. you have five minutes.29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 communities caused by unholy alliances between inept developers and irresponsible public officials. we in East Rutherford. Communities like Lyndhurst.

for the usual environmental and the traffic concerns. once the Sports and Exposition Authority. However. close to 10 million dollars a year. side is it never opened. we never But we were going to receive after six years.30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 overly enthused about it. the state. As it turns out. That never happened. which obviously was beneficial to the municipality. which leaves And us today through two different developers. you know. we decided that it was best to work because we saw the benefits of it. we believe that we came to an agreement that was beneficial to us in East Rutherford and that's the good part. Let me say this is that we're always concerned about the environment and the traffic. now Triple Five is here and we've had some discussions with them. with the Sports and Exposition Authority and the then-developers. And it was best to work with the state. received a dime. The down And therefore. but I do believe that there are efforts that we can be thoughtful when it comes to the environment and we can come to a reasonable agreement with . came out with the proposals and it was a done deal.

And we're looking forward to working with Triple Five. And traffic. well. We can start with the construction jobs. . We need to move forward. there will always be traffic there. the permanent employment. There are so many jobs at stake here. but to the region. will deal with that.31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 regards to that. for the region and the State of New Jersey. But let's get down to how important this project is to. not only East Rutherford. It is so important to this region and to this state to have this opened. But more importantly. If you think about the original opening dates of this and if it had happened and what type of revenues we would have had. we can't delay this any longer. From East Rutherford's standpoint. we must remember that we have out there a project that is not completed. and what we haven't received. paramount to our unions. not drawing any revenue. as I mentioned. we do a have an agreement in place. traffic will I don't care what we do or don't And we do. That is We need And then once the project is finished. always be here. our workers. employment and that's a good start.

we support the project. cannot be emphasized too much. this -. we look at the negatives. So I'm here today to tell you that one.32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And on another -. seen estimates of thousands of workers. So I'm here today really to say that we in East Rutherford. I thank you for the time and just hope that we do. We need to employ people. two is that we're looking forward to working with the Sports and Exposition Authority and Triple Five in adjusting our agreement to where it's beneficial to all involved. but the benefits of this project far outweigh any negatives. And so I firmly believe that this is a project that needs to go forward.with the Super Bowl coming in 2014.the importance cannot. and three. we look forward to it being opened by the Super Bowl in 2014 because I think it would just mean so much to our region and our community. we've looked at the negatives. how horrible an image for New Jersey to have something sitting out there and not completed. we need And I've So to get our workers out there working. at the conclusion of . So with that.

Gaming. Izod. In my capacity as chairman of the New Jersey Sports. and Entertainment. I made a living in the development and operation of commercial real estate here in New Jersey and various parts of the country. I've lived here in the State of New Jersey my entire life. My background is I am a native of Bergen County. MS. eight of which I was the chairman. For over 50 years. HANSON: Good morning. I was charged along with other members of the Commission by Governor Christie to find a resolution to the various problems that existed here at the sports complex. And I had the privilege of serving for 12 years on the New Jersey Sports Authority. that's J-O-N in my capacity as the chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Sports. Thank you very much you. Gaming and Entertainment Advisory to Governor Chris Christie. KARROW: Next speaker. H-A-N-S-O-N. John Hanson.33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 these hearings. gaming and Atlantic City. Thank you. My name is I'm here Jon Hanson. And also on the project know as Xanadu. . MR. horse racing. that we move forward in a manner that has this up and operating within the next couple years. Mayor.

help. so you must change the exterior. We have over And the American Dream is 40 percent unemployment in the construction industry. that new name. one of the developers. So obviously that industry needs some We think this will jump start other There are permanent projects here in New Jersey. Some of the prerequisites were one. see how an entertainment project works. it's not the prettiest project we've ever seen. We reported back to the governor that there were two failed attempts to develop this property.34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So what we did was we engaged with the bank group that actually controls the project at the present time. And we worked closely with the owners and the banks to find a resolution. . and actually before them. We have worked with the bank groups and the Triple Five group for the last 18 months on finding a way to make this successful. you've heard the numbers as far as the construction workers are concerned. We're obviously an advocate of this project. And we don't know what a Xanadu is. We went with members of the Commission to the Mall of America to see the projects. so we recommended they find a new name.

We also look at the impact we'll have on tourism. Hearing Officers from each agency for the opportunity to speak here today. I take my responsibilities very seriously for the thousands of men and women that I represent in my duties as president. generate sales tax. names. MS. . I just heard the mention of the Super Bowl. Army Engineers. you have five minutes. As president of the Building Trades and Construction Council. And so we are here We urge the Corps of Engineers. And thank you very hutch. KARROW: Sabato. Sabato. The next speaker is Richard I apologize if I mispronounce any of your Mr.35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 jobs that will come about. I am a business agent for Plumbers And I am the president of the Bergen I'd like to thank the County Building Trades. MR. SABATO: My name is Richard Sabato. Local 24. S-A-B-A-T-O. here to endorse it. the New Jersey Meadowlands Development Commission and the Department of Environmental Protection to approve the project in a timely fashion. It would be very important to have this So we're project open prior to the Super Bowl. to advocate the project.

ten million man hours or more. there's 400 guys from plumbers. unlike the state unemployment rate at 9 percent. the unemployment rate in the trades is 30 to 50 percent. they're not just numbers. these are -. which equates to about 5. When we business agents that represent our And some have even lost members that look at these out of work lists every day. The American Dream will provide 5. they want to do is work. Much of these guys in the construction fields.000 jobs or more. and 700 to 800 million dollars worth of benefits and wages. These numbers have been consistent since 2009. their families. We have suffered like no other industry in the State of New Jersey. many of the members have lost their homes. And you look at that list. Many of our members have lost their health coverage. And that's all Most of the members in the trades have been out for at least two years. This job will provide them an opportunity to get back to work.everybody on that list .000 Bergen County residents.36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Currently. most of these guys here have never seen unemployment this drastically in their lifetime. 600 from the painters.

I know the Hearing Officers have a responsibility to hear both sides of the issue. And I'll do my statement Can you spell your last Sure. T-I-T-T-E-L. These families are counting on you to save the only thing that's most of them that has left is their families. I apologize for We're taking the So let's not saying your name properly. TITTEL: New Jersey Sierra Club. is Jeff Tittel. one on the Army Corps and one on DSEIS. at the end of the day. J-E-F-F. put human life first. And I. Jeff Tittel. MS. We believe that if this project is going to go forward. I'm sorry. So I'll do in two parts. So in closing. KARROW: name? MR. MR. again. in two parts -MS. Next apologize if I butcher anybody else's name. KARROW: Thank you. then you have to make sure you protect the environment as well as building this project. And none of the stories are good. . so sometimes it's hard to read. Mr. TITTEL: Thank you.37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 has a story. name transcribed from your own handwriting. Sabato. New Jersey Sierra Club.

7.S. we believe that it should be looked at as the entire site. as well as large scale wetlands have a big habitat thing. you also need to look at flood storage. We've had serious floodings in this basin. since a quarter of the site are wetlands. We also believe that you need to have sign-off from EPA and U.4 acres of wetlands have already been filled. The other thing when you look at the mitigation because we didn't see a real mitigation plan. We also believe that you need to look at avoidance of those wetlands.38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We are concerned that this site should be treated as one site when it comes to the fill of wetlands. with an additional 5.4. Fish and Wildlife because of the size of the project and the fill both because of water quality impacts and air quality impacts and habitat. and not piecemeal as over a 12 acre fill. but isolated or smaller wetland systems actually have importance. time and time . if you're going to be enhancing wetlands. And that the mitigation plans should be based on that. And wetlands in an area that have had disturbances and other development around them are actually very important for water quality issues.

So flood storage is an As is the water quality. important part of that. We happen to think that a water park and an amusement park make more sense than a mall. especially in the last few months. The Meadowlands are important for soaking up that water. When those rivers come down. it lowers the rivers. since the Meadowlands are home to so many different species of birds and it's getting better and better. from an entertainment standpoint and the standpoint of the state. if there's a place for the water to go. it backs up creating more localized flooding. that you actually going to limit those problems coming off because of the other importance of the site besides for fisheries and birds and everything else. We believe that you could also build this site on the east side of the project. We've always been . We think you could actually move it and it may actually make more sense to put people in and out of the different parts of the mall they may be shopping in. If there isn't.39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 again. But we have to make sure when we have run-off coming from a site this intense and this large. near the parking area.

quite frankly. This building. day. some of the things we need to look at are bus rapid transit systems. people movers and other things. This will be a huge trip generator no matter how you look at it. We also are concerned that the building. Because of -. Now.40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 critical of Xanadu. going towards the state DSEIS.000 cars a And the impact on air quality in an area that has some of the worst air quality in the nation is critical. We estimate at least 150. this complex will It will It be the largest energy user in New Jersey. I think you have to look at the big picture. enough cars coming out of this site could make every day game day and every workday grid lock. So you have to understand that you need . It's not just about expanding mass transit. that will only take jobs away from parts of New Jersey like the malls in Paramus or Jersey Gardens in Elizabeth. We thought it was a bad project in a bad area. the original Xanadu building was designed badly. will be one of the largest users of water and energy. There was supposed to be green features to it. we And have enough traffic in this area already. never happened. be the largest producer of greenhouse gases.

I think the people of New Jersey.41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to do it right. And you need to go back and fix So green design going the problems of the past. you. KARROW: I just want to ask you all. . By the way. MS. if you could hold your applause down a little bit. into the buildings and retro-fitting and fixing. putting green roof or a blue roof to deal with storm water issues. If you do it the wrong way. do it right. But if you do it right. to clean up your storm water to re-use that water as well as gray water would make more sense. renewable energy into the site. which are important.and I'm not one of the big fans of this project. are tired of it. more mass transit into the site will create a lot more jobs. And we need to make sure if this project goes forward -. Thank it will actually create many more jobs. like LED lights are critical. by putting a green building. you know. but it's going to happen. since it's going to be a water-intensive facility between an indoor ski area and a water park. by doing it right. But the biggest issue for us is really dealing with transportation and traffic because quite frankly. it will create some jobs for now.

but we're not the Giants or the Jets. thank God this week. you're number 11. CINI: Actually. I'll switch spots with him. the Meadowlands Liberty Convention Visitors Bureau. In the past. CINI: S-I-M-O-N C-I-N-I. which is a public relations and advertising agency in the Meadowlands for the last 13 years. And I'm wondering if it would be all right if he spoke before me? MS. if I may indulge. MS. MS. Next speaker is Jim Kirkos. KARROW: MR. I have an associate who has to leave the area. KARROW: with him? You want to switch spots I'll entertain that. I'm not . I represented New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority and Triple Five. the Meadowlands Regional Chamber. KARROW: minutes. record? MR. I'm the president of Axom Communications. Mr. you have five If you could spell your name for the number 8. KIRKOS: Okay. MR. so just a couple more.42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I know we're in a sports complex. I'm Okay. KIRKOS: Madame Executive Director. Simon Cini. My clients include Hartz Mountain Industries. MR.

the number one important thing is do we trust these people to do what that say they're going to do? Because we've been through misrepresentation. You're going to hear that from a hundred people today. which was essentially to ignore it. so I don't need to go into detail about that. flim-flammery for a long time. There 100 reasons to get this done Between fast and you'll hear all of them today.43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 here on behalf of any of them now. I was at the hearing for the original Xanadu proposal. the Super Bowl and fixing past mistakes and the ecological advantages that we can fix. And I think among all the economic benefits that we'll talk about and the practical benefits they'll talk about today. ambiguity. social advantages from bringing somebody like Triple Five that has a social conscience and does a lot of charity work. report. Everything Triple Five has said in my . And I read the Hearing Officers' And I saw how the last guys responded to the Hearing Officers' report. Triple Five has demonstrated to me that they're not that kind of firm. we have 12 employees. I'm here on behalf of Axom Communications.

they'll do it. And I think the one thing that we're here about today is could we hold these guys up and make them suffer? should never do that here. So as a person who will benefit greatly from this. They come with their own money. and it's a lot of meetings and a lot of things.44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 presence since they got here. They have been people of their word. Triple Five is like the most successful people in our region. That will There is no second place here that is going to build the type of facility that we can count on. they put their people here in the region to interact with the people who are already here. has come to pass. they use their own dough. the people in advertising and marketing want . my partnership in the state of the Meadowlands website will do great from this. And The Sure. Should we? We alternative to letting them proceed on pace is to prospectively lose their partnership. be an abject disaster. everything we've seen before. So just like the people who want construction jobs. they make their own representations. they've represented what they intend to do. having seen it done in West Edmonton and having seen it done in Minneapolis.

So we were here . KARROW: apologize. not just approved.45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 promotional jobs. MS. I can also Richard Branch? Branca? I'm sorry. There will be 220 new stores. I I'm a local contractor and developer. MR. they will get some of those as clients. who come to New York will spend time in New Jersey. People will come here who never came here before to see this and be part of it. to be part of it. So measure them for who they are. my family started developing in the Meadowlands in the early 60's with a guy named Sisselman. I have I'm going to get some of those as clients. KARROW: MR. who never would have before. this is a project that needs to be expedited. you're going to hear that all day. BRANCA: MS. say that as Ms. long time. People And that will last a But I ask the Hearing Officer and the Army Corps. Again. Donovan said. hold them to what they say they're going to do and let's get the show on the road. four competitors in the room. Again. BRANCA: My name is Richard Branca. too.

And now. before the Sports Authority and a lot of other things. There is nothing but win/win here as far as I can see. that can be built upon. that's not a concern as much as it is to be able to create jobs. As I said. to create this area to be able to be developed again. we have a company that we have to support. issue real. and as Ron just talked to you about. . MR. I have worked in East Rutherford my whole life. People maybe get to work two opinions later. Thank you. I totally understand the environmental issues here. there was a lot of swamp land here. And I can tell you back The then. can you please spell your last name for the record. BRANCA: B-R-A-N-C-A. MS. I am not concerned one bit about the impact it's going to have on me personally. KARROW: Mr. Ly was getting the mosquitos the hell out of the water and getting it to flow. KARROW: MR. that we have to push forward. Branca. making this an area that can be developed.46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 before the Meadowlands Commission. BRANCA: MS. to be able to create this business.

And I can only say that I and all the businessmen that are in this area strongly support this project. KARROW: MR. As I said. And I have the pleasure of working with Triple Five since probably July. And I can only ask that this approval be done expeditiously so this project can go ahead. Justin Post. So we have a company here that's willing to put up their own money. The alternative would be what you see on the LIE and what's left of the 1964 Worlds Fair. we've been . J-U-S-T-I-N I'm with Skansa USA Building. we were the design builder for the new Metlife Stadium. think about That's what we have to look at. POST: MS. Inc.47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 P-O-S-T.. we certainly have a lot of agencies here that will overlook it and make sure it's done correctly. MS. POST: That one is pretty simple. Some of them are simple. KARROW: Justin Post. yes. did I get that MR. Thank you. that. there is no other alternative. That's what's the alternative. willing to go out on a limb and create something great for this state. one right? The way I see it.

we got to build up excitement about this industry. There are developers of their word and we're looking forward to hopefully moving this thing forward quickly. budgeting. only getting the workers out there in the next two years. . You've heard the numbers. and working very closely with them. We're dropping down. We have real problems So not looking down the line five years from now. I'm looking at the project. the personnel we're trying to get on the job right away.48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 working on the pre-con services for the amusement park and water park component of the project. we've got to get the young generation back here. working on putting a design team together. we don't have enough apprenticeships. They've been a pleasure to And like other people have said. I represent most of the construction industry that's here and I'm glad to see the presence we have. I'm not just looking at what we're trying to do right now. I'm trying to build up the trades for the next 20 years. I think by not only creating jobs now. And we've been doing scheduling. work with. I believe what they say will come true. I'm kind of selfish.

too. one of the things we did at the Metlife Stadium was we brought in 25 to 30 percent MEESKWBs. excitement. what this was originally meant to be when it started up as Xanadu years ago. And I think that the other thing that will come out of this project is we're going to spur on new growth. LEN: Hi. we see that as being a potential on this job. L-E-N. More office buildings. you very much. MS. it's a benefit to everybody at all levels. for New York New Jersey bay keeper. I'm Chris Len. other projects. So we want to keep moving forward with that kind of benefit. attorney for Hackensack River keeper. I'm the staff And also I'll be Chris like most people spell it. hotels. KARROW: Thank you. Mr. things like that. Post. I look And I think Thank forward to it moving forward quickly. So I truly support this project.49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Not only are we talking about the work that we can do right away. Chris Len. submitting comments to both the state and federal agencies and on behalf of both my employers. I want to say first that in general our . L-E-N? MR. convention centers.

which I'll just call the environmental impact statement. And I would look forward to And I would commend state agencies to hold their environmental analysis to the standard set by the National Environmental Policy Act. We've come up with a few ways that we the environmental impact statement should be improved. It's important that we analyze them all It's always a good before committing resources. We've had a chance to review somewhat. which is probably easier for everyone. We think it should analyze the mitigation for the wetlands impacts to the fill . And that's all we're looking for is that we have a full understanding what it is that we are contemplating here. the final draft supplemental environmental impact statement. which will consider many of the same impacts as the DSEIS. at least. I think it's insufficient in some ways to analyze all the impacts. Having looked over the FDSEIS. seeing that.50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 organizations have always opposed filling wetlands in the Meadowlands. And I understand the Army Corps is preparing its own environmental analysis. idea when planning to know what you're talking about.

. and also the permanently affected wetlands will be affected by being so close to this facility as there will be no buffer. That may be so. The amount of power consumption we can expect from the site and the impacts on climate change. genuine environmental review of off-site alternatives should occur. which I guess is seven feet above the grade. We would like to see additional analysis of the impacts of the storm water quantity and quality generated by the site. The source and quality of the fill that's expected to bring the site up to grade. are impractical because it doesn't meet the business model. And the on-site alteratives. but that That a should be analyzed so we can understand why that would be. we believe that the 5. The agency and the developer may choose not to have the most environmentally friendly one.5 or the alternatives analysis is not sufficient. Further.51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 wetlands for the temporarily impacted wetlands. we would like to see analysis of alternatives that minimize wetlands. which I think are pretty much the other side of the mall complex. what it basically can say is that the off-site alternatives.

but for others. as I understand. to resource conservation.52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 but we should be able to compare the impacts of the other alternative against less impactful alteratives. Not just for this facility. So we've met with Triple Five. I also want to say that we support Triple Five's stated commitment to sustainable development. We support Triple Five's interest. We hope that the Army Corps and the state agencies will consider that information as it becomes available as well. they're calling for dramatically expanded public transit to the site. I think that that would serve everyone in northern New Jersey well. to energy efficiency. Those are I'm glad to important goals for any developer. have promised to supply that information as it becomes available. and to recycling. see them implemented here. They're aware of our concerns and to their credit. KARROW: Thank you. MS. Rick Dabagian? So thank you very much for . your time. I think it would have a lot of side benefits. we found them to be forthcoming and hospitable hosts. better way to get around without cars. it would be terrific.

manufacturing. the vice-chair of the Meadowlands Regional Convention Visitors Bureau. I can be perhaps looked upon as maybe a little bit of an outsider. I was introduced to the Meadowlands Regional Chamber. wearing my hat this morning with regards to the Meadowlands Regional Chamber. D-A-B-A-G-I-A-N. Much of this being driven by . about eight years ago. I have served on the Board. a few of us took a tour several months ago.53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. I think most of us know and perhaps for those who don't. this region continues to be a destination and is growing. Well. In some ways. I decided about three years ago to join forces with another printing company up in Morris County. I live in northern Bergen County. I'm Rick And I come here Dabagian. the And today. I ran a family business in Passaic County for close to 40 years. the expo center. DABAGIAN: Good morning. whether it's the birding that continues to take place. proud to serve as Executive Committee. So the question maybe what am I doing here this morning. And because I guess you might say I represent a dying industry. the Hackensack River and the tours that we take. Medieval Times.

I'm a Passaic County boy by some definition. play. Let's come to American Dream. I became. In my closing remarks. as many of us experienced.she was there during the day. will open up business opportunities I currently do not have. I was fortunate enough to lose power in my home with my wife for one week. region and eventually lift New Jersey to be even a better place to live. we're there -. I guess that Tony Pinto will tell you. we lost power because of a storm. So I called one of my colleagues and for several nights.54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Teterboro Airport. a Meadowlands resident for several nights. You also might. who also lost power in a nearby town. for whatever it may be worth. and conduct business. the Paterson Falls being recognized as a national landmark and park. as well as the area. if you want to extend the radius. which also included my 85-year-old mother. several weeks ago. I believe the fourth busiest airport in the region. which from my own personal reasons.and again. my wife said I can't take this anymore. we recently heard about a week or so ago -. but I came . Naturally. It will also draw from the New York City It will drive the area and beyond as we've heard. So after three days.

will soon become a memory. I operated a small business. My comments this morning will be addressed to all the agencies. restaurants were buzzing. I think once we see American Dream. My name is Jim Kirkos. New Jersey. MS. thank you. KIRKOS: Thank you. you could feel the excitement. whose success was directly attributable to the economic growth of the Meadowlands during the 80's and 90's. And we had an opportunity to This was on a really experience the region. with the nucleus of that economic spark coming from the Meadowlands Sports and Entertainment Complex. which is also a Meadowlands community. And I also am representing the Meadowlands Regional Chamber of Commerce. K-I-R-K-O-S. Good morning.55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 back at night. as a punch line. KARROW: MR. Monday and Tuesday. Let's get moving. For more than 20 of those years. Jim Kirkos. I strongly support this event. including the water and amusement park open. I serve as the chief executive officer for the last nine years. My comments this morning are a blend of . And I am also a 45 year resident of the Township of Lyndhurst.

56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 being a local resident. The complex where we sit today was once the envy of the world with three great venues all operating with worldwide acclaim.100 companies and 140. Over the next few days. a small business owner and now the leader of a business organization that represents close to 1. And I was one of those businesses. so I speak from firsthand experience. The American Dream project provides much . So let me say at the onset that the Meadowland Regional Chamber is in full support of the application. The Chamber has been a long supporter of the continued expansion of the Meadowlands Sports Complex including the original Xanadu project because we inherently understand the economic impacts of such a development. with the majority of those members being small businesses. you'll hear testimony from many people regarding Triple Five's application to build a water park and amusement park to complement their vision for the American Dream at the Meadowlands project. Over the years.000 employees. hundreds of businesses grew and flourished throughout the Meadowlands region from those operations as I stated earlier.

57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 hope for the future economic prosperity of this region. the emergence of a destination and tourism related component of our economy. That fact of our -. The sad fact is I have watched the marvel of the Meadowlands Sports Complex deteriorate and along with that a regional economy that is stagnated. I will refer to an economic analysis that the Chamber commissioned in 2007 where the Heldridge Center of Rutgers University prepared a study of the Meadowlands economy and workforce. Specifically. but there is hope for a great revival. That revival began with the building of the new Meadowlands stadium. much like the racetrack along with the then-Giants Stadium and the Arena did 30 years ago. into a strong destination marketing organization so we can . The results revealed a few very important facts.reinforced the Chamber's efforts to grow the Meadowlands Liberty Convention Visitor Bureau. a division of the Chamber. To add some strength to my testimony. now called Metlife Stadium and can continue with the approval of the American Dream project. the stakes are much higher and our economy is in a much different place. Only this time.

as an advocate. This all comes at a time when our economy most needs a driving force to energize it. Along with that recognition came thousands -. The over the past nine years. After a few years of studying the effects of growing a destination and tourism related economy here in the Meadowlands. I have come to know this project in the . millions in tax revenue and even more importantly. along with other components of this complex have the promise of returning this piece of geography into the world's most recognized sports and entertainment venues that will attract tourists. I can say to you today that the American Dream project will propel that into the next century. The American Dream is that energize and driving force. millions of new investment in and around the entire north Jersey region. As I can speak first hand of members that are sitting on projects that they would like to move. but they're waiting for the next big step. domestic and international from all over the world.comes thousands of new jobs.58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 capitalize on the new component of our economy. The American Dream vision for a world class shopping and entertainment facility.

And I returned to New Jersey with an even greater . To enhance our understanding. to talk directly with those that have been impacted by those projects. And I can tell you with all sincerity the Ghermezian family and their executive team at Triple Five has been the most approachable. the American Dream team as I call them. Canada. has opened their book to us. the most respectful. but because it's true. we like what we're reading. and clearly the most capable thus far. being the Mall of America in Bloomington and the West Edmonton Mall in Alberta. And quite frankly. I have travelled to both of their significant projects. as they have done their due diligence. we also have done ourselves. we have an obligation to our membership and the community at large to fully understand a project and its impacts before we throw our full support behind it. The during the past months.59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 many renditions. business owners. and political leaders from both surrounding areas. During our due diligence. along with the many principal owners. Because as a regional business organization. I interviewed chamber and tourism executives. I say that not because they sit here today.

. MR. I urge your approval because the water park and amusement park component of this project are critical to its success. KARROW: wrap up. Ms. I need you to should know that I also stated the hard questions and looked to understand the negative impacts of such a development. we have aligned the most capable entity to oversee the successful project. and everyone in between. Kirkos. You Mr. As Hearing Officers for this application. but in each every case I was told that positive impacts far outweighed the negative ones. Bonnie Carlson. From the Mayor of Edmonton. Facts will reveal that at this moment in time. Let's collectively identify any concerns and find solutions for them so we. those projects are still powering their economies. Each and everybody leader I spike to sang the praises of the Ghermezian family and outlined how after 19 years at the Mall of America and 30 years at the West Edmonton Mall. MS. Mr.60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 zeal to help drive this project across the end zone. Steve Mandel to the CEO of Bloomington Tourism bureau. KIRKOS: I am wrapping up.

61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 too. MS. Let's not allow those who would relish in having nothing done here in this project cast a shadow over great opportunities. Jim. they will be thoroughly read by our staff and all the agencies. And it will be You can totally attached as a part of the record. you don't have to read it. Laurel Brennan. we support the American Dream project. if you have written comments. can reap the rewards that this project can bestow on the entire north Jersey region. MS. Again. KARROW: Thank you. Let's find a way to make this project a win/win for the Meadowlands at a time when we most need a win. We urge you not to. And I am proud to stand here today to tell you that on behalf of the one million members of the New Jersey State AFL-CIO. the Army Corps of Engineers and the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. Brennan. B-R-E-N-N-A-N. my name is And Laurel. BRENNAN: Good morning. This is an extremely important project . L-A-U-R-E-L. feel free to summarize. And I'm here this morning to address the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. Sorry. I am the secretary treasurer of the New Jersey state AFL-CIO.

15.000 construction jobs. willing and able to take the task. During one of the most difficult economic times in our State's economy. Local building trades in the area have painfully suffered high unemployment. And stating the obvious. the developers plan to spend a significant amount of money on local road and infrastructure projects. it is important to support projects such as this. Furthermore.8 billion dollars per year.62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that will have a significant positive effect on the regional economies and job creation. some locals 30 to 60 percent. The 1. Many of these members have been out of work for over two years.9 billion dollar project is expected to create approximately 9. Some of them have lost their health insurance.000 permanent jobs and have an economic impact to the region of 3. put people to work. So instead of wringing our hands about the economies. some of them have lost . take action. this is about jobs and the American dream. that will help provide employment for our members. And aren't we fortunate in New Jersey where we have experienced building tradesmen and women ready.

C-O-N-T-E. Push it forward. all of you. After all. MS. So I urge you today. invest in the lives. which currently we have around 60 percent unemployment. move it forward. Commission. Jersey and it's citizens are worth it. like to speak on behalf of our Local to begin with.63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 their homes. New Thank you. some of them are losing faith. invest in the job. go back to work. but needs to be a reality for the membership. our members and our state. Some of our members have been out of work nearing now two and a half. invest in this project. thank you My for letting me speak and all the members here. three years. These guys need to How it's impacted their lives . I'm here I'd representing Sheet Metal Workers Local 25. in the best interests of our citizens. invest in this economy. name is Gregory Conte. which in turn will have a ripple effect on putting money back into the local economies and will have a significant positive long term effect on Bergen County and north Jersey region. KARROW: MR. This project will have a massive positive impact on them and their families. CONTE: Greg Conte? Hi. This project is not only a dream.

So it's affected me directly and emotionally. our membership.64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 has been astronomical. We need this project. being what the economy and what it is today. And when that project ended. of course. of which I worked very hard for. Mot of the guys that are here in this room today have seen me on a lot of the projects. for kitchen equipment. And the burden it's put on my family and my children has been unbelievable. our Local needs it. Some of our members have run out of health benefits. they've run out of unemployment and they have nowhere else to turn. By having myself having to get rid of my home and the value of the home. there was I was . I took a massive loss on my house. as it has myself. This is not something that I'm up here speaking about how everyone else is hurting by this. granted a great privilege to work on the Meadowlands project here and do the kitchens and everything associated thereof. it has affected me directly. Also the burden of the economic responsibility of trying to pay these bills and not having any construction work around. I was forced to rid myself of the marriage because of the pressure that it had on us.

the American Dream project is about putting our members to work.65 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 no more work for anyone. it needs to be reality. My name is I'd S-U-L-L-I-V-A-N. potential of the American Dream represents literally hundreds upon hundreds of our members going to work each day and being a part of finally seeing nearly ten years of promise come to fruition. All along. like to thank you for the opportunity to address you today. up. we have been an active participant of this process from its inception. Denis Sullivan. However. Thanks for all the guys for showing We recognize today's hearing is focused on the permit process to complete the American Dream project. Good morning. we need this project. D-E-N-I-S Thank you very much. MS. So economically. KARROW: MR.. We need it for ourselves and it can't be a dream. certainly due to the economic . I am here today representing the Northeast Regional Panel of Carpenters and the Bergen County Building Trades. SULLIVAN: Denis Sullivan. For our organization. We have been part of this process since The the earliest start of the planning stages of this project about nine years ago.

However. Once again. Of course. We want to recognize the Triple Five organization for stepping in and taking over this massive project. the men and women that will be working on this project live and raise their families in the community affected by this project and are just as concerned about their quality of life as anyone else. And we believe that it has. we still believe in that premise. our organization has been mindful that this project has to be completed in an environmentally responsible manner. Their record of success speaks for itself. we recognize we need to be cognizant of the environmental issues. throughout this process. Critical to the overall success of Triple Five's vision is the over one billion dollars of additional investment of family amusement and entertainment component to this project. part of enhancing their quality of life begins with their having a job.66 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 impact this project will have on our region's economy and jobs for our members. but we can . And it's encouraging for all of us who wish to see the doors of this project open up. After all. However.

We are fortunate that Triple Five came in and wants to invest 1.67 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ill afford to not find the proper balance to ensure success. our members can ill afford it. Good morning. importantly. To do so.000 and 10. under the vision and the direction of Triple Five and their investment.they're out of work and losing their houses and health coverage. my name is I'm a business I Cesar Gamio. C-E-S-A-R G-A-M-I-O.000 construction jobs for our members. Doing nothing is not Most Thank The region can ill afford it. KARROW: Cesar Gamio. we are more excited than ever that this project will come to its completion. GAMIO: Thank you. Most importantly. a solution. you for your time. MR. they need the water . Mr.000 members who need this project to go forward.8 billion dollars to get the project going. It would create between 5. some who are losing -. agent with Local 825 operating engineers. represent roughly 7. the half completed project and the often mocked exterior has served as a constant reminder of what could have been. Sullivan. MS. For too many years.

Recine? MR. MS. Thank you. Good morning. which today . And this project is important to commercial real estate in general in the area. KARROW: going to mispronounce this and I apologize. As we show space within the Meadowlands. so our members can support the families and get their lives back together. And one of the biggest selling features over the past couple years is this project that's been going on in the area. Gamio. we want this project Thank you. Knight and Frank. asking you. Frank Recine. Short and simple. toward the end of a tour. global real estate firm.68 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 park and the amusement park to make it work. I'm Frank to go forward. what we typically do is we try to position people looking outside the window and looking out over the real project. Our company focuses on leasing and sales for commercial real estate. Mr. to give them I'm approval as soon as possible. and we represent tenants and we represent landlords. I'm a principal with We're a commercial Our Jersey office is Newmark. all these agencies. RECINE: F-R-A-N-K R-E-C-I-N-E. headquartered at the Meadowlands Office complex.

the cleaning companies within the building. But let me take a step back and talk about the jobs that it will create outside of this project. We talked a lot today about the jobs it's going to create in the project. I've seen the benefit in enhanced leasing activities in the market. the local small shops that are now feeding these people during lunch time. which has led to leases being signed. So the trickle effect of this project is undeniable and it's something we really need to focus on and support this group and this organization. I have no affiliation with this organization. I've been spending the past five years selling a dream before it was actually called a dream. Which is every time a lease is signed. but what I've seen to date and what they've said to date has all come to fruition. I . we're giving jobs to architects. engineers.69 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 does not look like this. and the local activities that are being brought to the area. And it's an uphill battle in dealing with what we're dealing with today. And it's exciting to have the Ghermezian family step into the shoes of this project. the plumbers unions.

and the new organizations we're bringing here. Thank you. to doubt what they're going to do. it's such a wonderful place. I would be able to retire there and my grandkids would come here and so many things to do in New Jersey. Thank you for I'm a And MS. I had to move farther out just to afford to stay in New Jersey. my company. MS. which isn't far from here. David Lagas? Good morning. I think about where . And I figured when I bought a house there. I grew up And I Could you please spell your in Livingston. for me as a businessman in this area. LAGAS: L-A-G-A-S. KARROW: MR. life-long New Jersey resident and nearly 30 year member of Local 253. myself. this would be a great asset to this area. LAGAS: the opportunity to say a few words. David. I've watched that evaporate over the last ten or fifteen years. couldn't sustain myself and my family in that town.70 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 haven't seen anything. as many of you know. but it's beautiful up there. KARROW: name? MR. which is relatively speaking a really affluent state. I now live in Vernon and it's a long commute for me to work.

and wanting stay here. I've done that. Allen All right. And I just think that to help this project move forward and have another destination in New Jersey where people can hang their hat on. you have beaches you can swim in. that you'll consider getting this project going for all of us and our families and for people that have been here all their lives working the blue collar way. MS. Let's get this thing going. it's And I hope evaporating.71 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 else am I going to be able to afford in retirement. and some of the most beautiful beaches in the country. we go places all over the state because you have mountains you can ski in. to say that around here. And people. I'd like to see everything happen if New Jersey could be developed to its fullest. Thank you very much. I've been a part of this. He's not here any longer? . it's just going away. KARROW: McKeegan? Allen McKeegan. I don't think I should have to live in Tennessee to work in New Jersey. so that it can be a destination attraction to many people. I can say I worked over there. When I invite my family. I drive around everywhere I go.

with Whiting Turner Contracting and I've been working on. good morning.72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this one I'm definitely going to mess up. This is what makes the project work for And we need to hear them when they say It's important to them in their overall So it should be important to us. Scott Breig from Whiting. Yes. them. which many people have an opinion on. most of our focus at Whiting Turner has been modifications and the improvements to the existing project. BREIG: Breig. They've told us very clearly and we need to recognize this. And even before it was Xanadu in I've been working with its current location. they need these components of the project to be approved for this project to move forward. Triple Five since sometime in early July. S-C-O-T-T We have Is that you. I'm going to contain my comments about . Triple Five is here today and we're here to talk about the improvements and the necessary approval for the water park and amusement park. Scott I'm a vice-president B-R-E-I-G. Turner? MR. This project long before it was the American Dream. plan. that. And that's not what we're here to talk about today.

no questions. The completion of this project. strictly to what I know most about and that's the construction and the opportunities. we should take note of that. this with the ability to create this economic impact in the construction industry in our times right now. this and the permits necessary today. though.73 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 why. How many? Thousands and thousands in The construction industry There are no projects like a very short order. The trades need it and the region needs it. The investment that Triple Five is committing here is just phenomenal. needs this project. It makes good sense. . This project creates jobs. for them to be looking at this as the opportunity that they want to focus their energies on. no one can deny that. And to delay it will only further the impacts to the region in a negative way. In today's environment. We need to have this project approved as quickly as possible and move forward into construction. So I wholly support the approval of Thank you. new tourism and new travel to the region. is dependent upon the two elements. the amusement park and the water park. There will be new money.

The American Dream project has the potential to serve as one major beacon of hope for families in New Jersey who earn their living in the construction industry. Critical to the success of the project . the New Jersey Subcontractors Association represents nearly 150 subcontractors.74 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. KARROW: MR.000 construction and construction related jobs. K-E-V-I-N M-O-N-A-C-O. The New Jersey construction industry has sustained and continues to sustain a prolonged economic downturn. My I name is Kevin Monaco. most successful and most well-established firms in our industry are struggling to keep their doors open. specialty contractors and construction industry. Even the largest. serve as executive director of the New Jersey Subcontractors Association. Our membership fully supports the American Dream at Meadowlands project. suppliers and professionals. as well as generating enormous new economic active for the state and the region. The project will invest nearly two billion dollars in the New Jersey economy and will generate 20. MONACO: Kevin Monaco? Thank you very much.

The American Dream project will take many steps to minimize any potential adverse environmental impacts. until noon today. Returning for our second show . While we must protect our natural resources. including an appropriate wetlands mitigation plan. MS. We're you can just register at the front desk. okay. If you do want to say anything. the New Jersey DEP and the Army Corps of Engineers to move this project forward expeditiously. I urge the representatives from the Meadowlands Commission. here until twelve. On behalf of the New Jersey Subcontractors Association. Al McKeegan That We are here Thank I was told he was back.75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is inclusion of the water park and amusement park. we must also balance the protection of these resources with the needs of our residents and families. concludes anybody who has signed up. This project will generate jobs and economic activity while also providing a prudent and responsible plan for protecting our environmental resources. you. KARROW: return? Thank you. New Jersey rightly has some of the strictest and most comprehensive environmental regulations in the nation.

much just for the construction trades. And who are you representing. you have to register at the front first that you want to speak. obviously for this project. KARROW: That's okay. Torres? MR. I look at the . can you come We need you to state your name for the record as well as what you're representing and you have five minutes. And a member of -.proud member And my comments is And obviously not so of Plumbers Local 24. MR. Mr. we're hanging for 22 minutes. minute stretch. that the jobs it's going to give. My name is Eddie Torres. Torres. TORRES: E-D-D-I-E T-O-R-R-E-S. (Whereupon a short recess was taken. When I come out to speak for these projects. TORRES: I am a member of Plumbers Local 24 and a member of the Hudson County Building Trades. at the fabulous Hambletonian room. I guess. KARROW: up? Mr.76 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 at six. MS. too. So Anybody who wants to say anything.) MS. And I'm sorry I made you It was the seven come back and sit down again.

need to build again. neighborhoods that we couldn't walk around in. when they say Jersey We need companies. The jobs that are there. when . This company. who are still doing -. the factories that were lost. what we use to called in front of the Hudson River. But there was one thing that they said in New York and tri-state area. what they call now the waterfront. they said that's not happening. I was listening on the radio and they had the quarterly findings of some of the companies. when I look at a building. And today on the radio. Staples. There's no growth in And today. We City has changed. they're showing growth. America all across the United States is saying we need manufacturing. I was born and raised in downtown Jersey City. abandoned factories in Jersey City. I seen the changes of that swamp and factories. And where development. the factories are not growing. growing up there.they met their gains. Wal-Mart and them. every time we put on our TV. the changes they have made. And that's what I came up to speak about. and jobs that are created.77 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 development that it does in the area. factories. On my way here today.

for the people that do the cleaning. the trickle down effect that one job creates in my family. It takes care of it doesn't just put me to work. my two sons. Here is a piece of land. When I go to work in the trade. We have a chance to take a piece of land that was given to us. jobs that are created for the people that not just in the trades. I start counting how many cooks. it takes care of my nieces. five acres of land that we could take and develop so much food and so much jobs. I work at ten waiters running around the restaurant. when I look at a store or a restaurant that I go to sit and eat. that is creation and bear a . for the people that do the washing of the windows.78 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I look at the Newport Mall. I start counting the hosts that are there. Jobs that are created. There was a factory in Jersey City that had 50 permanent jobs. That's the factories that we got today. for the people that do the landscaping. one restaurant puts 50 people to work. my wife. it takes care of my nephews. It took care of my That's parents when they were here on this earth. I look at the bartender. my wife laughs at me all the time.

please spell your name for the record and your institution that you represent and you have five minutes. Thank you. PINTO: T-O-N-I P-I-N-T-O.79 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lot of fruit from it. MR. Or we have a chance to take seven acres of land that were filled and see it decay. in the hospitality business. but also for all the hotels in the immediate area. I hope that we could take the extra five And that's what I have acres and grow this area. Additionally. I'm the general manager of the Renaissance Meadowlands Hotel. to say. Thank you. So needless to say. we have five hotels. Concord Hospitality owns and operates currently in the State of New Jersey eight hotels. not only for our properties. soon to be ten. And in the immediate Meadowlands area. We also signed up Toni Mr. MS. More importantly. It's a tremendous opportunity for continued growth and occupancy. this project is welcoming. as a person who does business in the immediate area. KARROW: Pinto. Toni Pinto I represent Concord Hospitality. I believe that this project not only will create thousands of jobs . Pinto.

small mom and pops. But in all unfortunately. in other shops. I believe. small restaurants and so on and so forth. As well as all the other businesses. 50 million visitors to the American Dream project. So can you just imagine an additional of those room nights. we're not that large.80 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 immediately. or whatever the case may be. of the hotels. but possibly additional hotels or other opportunities that would come in the future for building. And I've heard others mention that the potential business of -. in the local restaurants. small businesses in the area. but also will sustain thousands of jobs thereafter. I can only wish I will get ten percent of those room nights stay in our hotels. So I certainly am a proponent of I think it would be a tremendous economic impact that will have in our industry of the hotel business. Because they will not only be staying in the hotel. And so some of the numbers I've heard is in the upwards of the 45. this project.for once. not currently. how much impact it would have in each of our hotels. And not only my hotel because. we would be stealing visitors from New York City to . they would be visiting the local immediate area.

Thank you. to and from. Mr. WYLIE: Wylie. David Wylie? better be here. We're reconvening one more time. I come to work every day here at 75 miles. So how great would that be to reverse the tables on New York City? So I live in the state of Pennsylvania. I have great faith in this community. KARROW: Thank you. .81 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 New Jersey. New Jersey. So thank you for your time and I certainly urge the project going forward. this is just kind of spur of the moment. MR. he Can you please spell your last name for the record and tell who you represent and you have five minutes. W-Y-L-I-E. The floor is open. Pinto. So We're still in recess for twelve minutes. only because I love what I do. Again this hearing is open until twelve o'clock today. My name is David I live in Cliffside Park. We have one more He just signed up. to our local area. until noon. MS. thank you. We're in recess until someone wants to speak. in the region and just enjoy what's going on and the possibilities of this project going forward. speaker.

82 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I have heard everybody's comments in support. We should look at using what we already have and preserve these wetlands. Just so you We still have nine minutes. KARROW: Thank you. Wetlands provide valuable I resources. since we're at the racetrack.I've been with River keeper a long time. Wylie. It will reconvene at six p. But I think we have to go slow with filling in wetlands that are irreplaceable. Thank you very much. Mr. And I know that once the wetlands get filled in. know.m. . MS. I've heard -. (Whereupon a short recess was taken. just question whether we have to fill in five acres of wetlands when there are other areas that might be utilized. you can't take it back. the habitat we're trying to restore. too.) MS. I think it's a great idea. Since it doesn't appear that anyone else wants to present comments. I've been an environmentalist. KARROW: This is the two minute warning. the hearing is now closed.

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HEARING OFFICERS: MARCIA KARROW.m. 55 North Bridge Avenue Suite 4 Red Bank. DAG Division of Law & Public Safety JAMES PALMER. Assistant District Counsel DARLENE KULESA Certified Court Reporter Reported by: GLOBAL COURT REPORTING SERVICES.New Jersey 6:00 p.S.m. INC. to 8:00 p. Chief of the Regulatory Branch U. New Jersey 07701 (732) 383-7860 . Executive Director New Jersey Meadowlands Commission SCOTT BRUBAKER.1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 STATE OF NEW JERSEY NEW JERSEY MEADOWLANDS COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF: AMERICAN DREAM MEADOWLANDS AMUSEMENT AND WATER PARK PROJECT PUBLIC HEARING _______________________________ November 15. Director Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection RICHARD TOMER. Army Corps Of Engineers ALSO PRESENT: MAURICE GRIFFIN. 2011 50 Route 120 East Rutherford.

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3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. to my right. We are the hearing officers of the public Also seated with us is hearing to be held today. I will read a statement with respect to the Hearing Officers' consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorizing legislation. First. KARROW: Good evening. and he is the Deputy Attorney General from the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety and James Palmer. Assistant District Counsel. My statement We are here this evening to receive public comments on the Draft Supplemental . This evening we are holding public hearings on two processes related to the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement and Water Park project. Maurice Griffin. Director of the Office of Permit Coordination & Environmental Review at the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection (NJDEP) and Richard Tomer of the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Executive Director of the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission (NJMC). I am Marcia Karrow. To be followed by a statement read by Richard Tomer of the Army Corps of Engineers related to a permit application submitted to this agency. is as follows. With me are Scott Brubaker. We welcome all of you who have come to attend this hearing.

If anyone has not already done so. The DSEIS was prepared as a supplement to the Preliminary Environmental Impact Statement of the Meadowlands Xanadu Redevelopment Project at the Continental Airlines Arena Site dated March 2004. This second session starts now at 6:00 and the third session starts at 10:00 tomorrow and the fourth session tomorrow night at 6:00. please . New Jersey. The DSEIS has been available since October 31st 2011. or DSEIS. the New Jersey DEP. Your comments will be considered during the preparation of the final SEIS. dated October. on the web sites and at the offices of the Meadowlands Commission. and the Sports Authority. prepared by the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority for the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement and Water Park Project to construct an amusement park and a water park within the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East Rutherford. It has also been available at all public libraries in each of the Meadowlands District municipalities.4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Environmental Impact Statement. This hearing provides you with the opportunity to comment on the DSEIS. We received comments this morning and we will receive comments tonight and then at two separate sessions tomorrow. 2011.

If you wish to submit written or verbal comments. but will receive them for review and consideration. the Hearing Officers will not respond to comments. A summary of the hearing. and copies of the materials submitted by the public will be included in the final SEIS. copies of the handouts. When the Sports Authority proposes development projects at the Meadowlands Sports Complex. and character of the project and with the Meadowlands Commission and the Department of Environmental Protection on ecological factors constituting the environment of the Hackensack Meadowlands so the delicate environmental balance of the Hackensack Meadowlands may be maintained and preserved. During today's proceedings. Please turn off all cell phones and pagers during the hearing. the Authority consults with the Meadowlands Commission on the location.5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sign in at the registration desk. Today's hearing is part of a consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorization legislation. indicate that on the registration sheet. if you are going to speak. type. you must sign in at the front desk so that we know who you are and that you want to speak. which is out front. Also. .

I will be the presiding officer for the evening session on behalf . Army Corps of Engineers.S. 2012. 2011. Officers will then review the final SEIS and submit their report and recommendations to the Department of Environmental Protection and the Meadowlands Commission for approval on or about March 9. The final SEIS is expected to be The Hearing available to the public in January 2012. which will include written responses to the public comments on the DSEIS. the Sports Authority will complete and publish the final SEIS. The Hearing Officers' report and recommendations will thereafter be available for public review at the offices and on the web sites of the Meadowlands Commission.6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 After the close of the comment period on the consultative process on December 19th. and will submit it to the Hearing Officers and to the Department and the Commission. I'm Chief of the Regulatory Branch for the New York District. MR. TOMER: I'm Richard Tomer. the NJDEP and the Sports Authority. and at local public libraries within the Meadowlands District. U. I am going to turn over the microphone to Rich Tomer from the Army Corps of Engineers for his statement.

The Corps of Engineers is here today to obtain information and evidence. The permit applicant's stated purpose for the work is to construct a commercial amusement park and water park as a component of the American Dream Meadowlands Complex. a Department of the Army permit is required from the Corps of Engineers pursuant to Section 10 of the Federal Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 and Section 404 of the Clean Water Act. and receive public comment. The permit applicant has proposed to mitigate for all impacts to the aquatic environment. to assist in the regulatory review of a permit application submitted by Metro Central.74 acres of Corps of Engineers regulated tidal and non-tidal waters of the United States to facilitate its construction of a commercial amusement and water park. care of Triple Five Development.7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the Corps of Engineers. Because the work involves a discharge of fill material within waters of the United States. The permit applicant proposes to discharge fill material into 5. The Corps of Engineers is not a Proponent for nor an opponent of the proposed work. . LLC.

available at the registration table.USACE. Part 327. are printed on information sheets. The hearing transcript will be available on the Corps of Engineers website and a copy will be available for public inspection or purchase at the Corps of Engineers office in New York City. written comments on the permit application addressed to the Corps of Engineers may be submitted until the close of the They're .NAN.ARMY. Anyone may appear on his or her own behalf. to present recommendations or information.8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Our role is to determine whether the proposed activity is in the overall public interest. This means that This anyone may make an oral or written statement concerning the subject matter of this hearing. but cross examination of witnesses will not be permitted. As a reminder.MIL. A verbatim record of the public hearing is being made. as well as our New York City office mailing address. hearing will play an important role in that determination. or be represented by counsel or other representatives. The And that website address. This hearing will be conducted according to the procedures set forth in Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations. website WWW.

2011. Good evening and thank you to the hearing officers for the opportunity to present an overview of our application. our purpose tonight is to review the master plan amendment that is being proposed to include the updates in the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement previously done in 2004. if you need it. the developers of the project. again. ARMLIN: Thank you. My name is Tony Armlin. New York. should be directed to: All written comments New York District. We will be reviewing this in light of the consultation process that was just described and we .9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 comment period for the Corps of Engineers. And. MS. MR. Room 1937. November 28th. which is on Monday. Tonight we are going to give you an overview of the application that has been submitted to both the Army Corps and the hearing officers for consideration. 26 Federal Plaza. that address is on sheets that we have available on the information table today. And I am Vice President of Development and Construction for Triple Five. Regulatory Branch. Corps of Engineers. KARROW: Thank you. I'd like to Again. Rich. At this time I would like to invite Tony Armlin of Triple Five to present an overview of the proposed project. review the purpose. New York 10278-0090.

Again. and it shows in this area.10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 will be talking specifically about the proposed improvements and potential impacts associated with the development of an amusement park and water park which would be in addition to the existing ERC of the American Dream project. Route 120. Project description: The project is located on what is referred to as the radio tower site approximately 21. the Turnpike. Again. aerial photo of the project site. It is a strategic location in relationship to the existing facility and we will talk about why that is so important to the overall development concept. again warranting the site. The land on which the improvements are intending to be constructed will become incorporated into the master lease with the Sports Authority. the proposed site of the amusement park.75 acres immediately adjacent to the project as it currently exists. and the existing entertainment retail complex and associated park. water park. This is an overview. a site plan. an aerial photo with the yellow line showing the proposed site in relationship to the ERC and the stadium complex. . areas of the proposed development which are adjacent to the existing ERC facility.

000 square feet. The proposed improvements: The amusement park is approximately 318.11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The use is primarily a family entertainment and amusement facility to promote tourism.000 square feet and a shared common area of 85. so over 19 years that is still operating successfully. again. The same type of development concept is at the heart of the American Dream which is a repositioning of an existing project to expand it to a level of true international level.000 square feet or about 13 acres of footprint. the location of the amusement park and the . world class level. 30 years ago. a large scale format. for a total area of 639. The Triple Five model which has been in place since our original project in Canada. This concept was replicated again in Mall of America in Bloomington. Minnesota in 1992. Again. fully enclosed water park and amusement park complex with participatory entertainment enhancing and supporting the existing complex. was based on a destination retail entertainment complex that was focused on family entertainment and amusement.000 square feet. as a tourism destination. This is a quick overview of the site plan. the water park is approximately 236. tourist destination.

showing many of the same common elements in location and orientation. It should be noted that the amusement park at Mall of America is approximately 7 acres. Next. Minnesota. The water park in West Edmonton is approximately 5 acres. And again. This is a rendering of the development as we see it in its format here on the American Dream site and as you'll notice there are quite a few amusements in the amusement area of rides and attractions. The amusement park we anticipate on construction here will be a little larger than that. water park element is an . the rendering of the water park components as we see it being realized here for American Dream and a photo of our actual installation of the water park at West Edmonton Mall. Purpose and need: First and foremost we want to explain to the public that the element in this amusement park. again a little larger than we are anticipating here. This replicates an existing location at our Mall of America facilities. this is from our Mall of America facility in Bloomington.12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 water park in relationship to New York City and again a more detailed plan showing the locations for footages.

creates a critical mass which we feel is essential to make this a world class facility.13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 essential component of Triple Five's business model and is a critical component. We also want to underscore that this type of attraction of this size. We do want to note that this concept of amusement park and water park elements fulfills the primary objective of the NJSEA for the overall project which is to promote tourism and job creation and this type of development will clearly do that. . combined with the existing retail center. wildlife habitat. our team lead by Langan Engineering looked at a number of other alternative locations for the water park. Alternative analysis: As a part of the In process. on-site and off-site. Also as a part of the review the engineers and consultants looked at over 20 criteria of evaluation for impact ranging from geological soils. the way we need it. It looked at locations Through that evaluation it was determined that no other site could provide a practical alternative to use and create the use that we need. we do not feel this project will move forward successfully. aquatic issues. the absence of that. Without this component. we do not think this facility can achieve that level of success. amusement park.

490 jobs on-site. through executing not only this proposed improvement and the completion of the existing ERC. historic impacts and other visual and landscape aesthetics. In fact. our estimates show that over a 20 year period the permanent on-site jobs alone will create 7.100 jobs will be on-site. With regards to the environment conditions and impacting mitigation we wanted to put this in context of what is going to occur.6 billion dollars in wages in new money into the local economy.9 billion dollar investment. Additionally in the operation stage we will be creating an estimated 11. We looked at the issue of the fact that the radio tower site is currently an abandoned and unused site.000 construction jobs of which 9. . Triple Five.825 billion dollars to complete the project. That will create over 19. As a part of the evaluation we also looked at the avoidance of adverse environmental impacts. utilities. We looked at the leveraging and use of existing infrastructure. with an additional 6.14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 solid waste. permanent jobs.000 jobs off-site. will invest an additional 1. The existing stature that has been built but not completed to date was a 1.

as well as increased taxes generated during the construction phase.15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We looked at the use of parking in the arena site that currently exists and we looked at the design process as we are undertaking this. increased air emissions. increased regional new economic growth which will increase tourism and related spending.47 acres of wetlands. increased traffic from construction workers. increased taxes. energy conservation best practices. But also increased jobs. a loss of 5. and very importantly. increased use of sanitary and solid waste. Long term impacts: A loss. focusing on green design. increase use of energy. At Mall of America. increased traffic from patrons and employees. over 50 percent of our visitors are tourists and generates an enormous amount of the sales generated at that facility and . We will also see increased jobs for construction. in potable water. looked at impacts related to construction. eroding and run-off. Tourism and the generation of new business. We Soil and sedimentation. new attractions to this region and the economy are an essential part of the Triple Five model. We also looked at short term impacts. as was noted An earlier. increased noise and air emissions.

The 5. restoration and preservation. and New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. In our evaluation there are five potential options currently available to us. Wetland impacts: Triple Five very strongly feels that we are committed and will comply to all federal laws and regulations related to the appropriate relocation in mitigation of wetlands is a primary focus of our design and will be as we move forward. It is our intention to work collaboratively with the Army Corps of Engineers and other federal agencies.5 acres of potential wetlands impacts will be addressed through mitigation banking. which we are exploring all at this time. as well as the Meadowlands Conservation Trust to identify appropriate mitigation sites in the region. We could look at the Evergreen MRI-3 mitigation bank which is a site that is currently in its final review and looks like it might be ready by January. First would be to look at the New Jersey Meadowlands Secaucus High School site. there is a three acre credit that is available that could be purchased from the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission related to a portion of our mitigation. .16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we expect to see the same thing hear. including the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission.

we can also look to make payment to the State of New Jersey's Wetlands Mitigation Council Fund. We've identified several and are negotiating and made an offer on one and are negotiating with that property owner at this time. The first thing that is listed is mass transit and we will spend a little time talking about that. There is also the option to look at the Keane track. We are also looking at internal trips. We had the opportunity to look at the wetlands preservation and other sites. We have looked at multiple impact areas that can and will reduce traffic congestion and other related issues. That could account for another 2. The Triple Five Model is based on an extended visitor . a 40 acre parcel. which Triple Five would participate in the development of the construction and restoration plan to satisfy the Meadowlands Conservation Trusts. And finally. We are not going to disclose that property owner or its location until we reach final negotiations with them. Traffic: There are obviously issues related to traffic mitigation and volume. with construction starting this Spring. and although our analysis shows only a moderate increase of traffic based on the new uses we are proposing.5 acre credits.17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 February.

entertainment elements and amusement elements. The downsizing of the racetrack is planned. and we are looking at retail elements. We are an entertainment destination where our visitors are there for an extended period of time. Bypass trips: We've done an additional trip generation analysis. The fact that the Bergen County Blue Laws are in effect and prohibit our ability to have retail activities on Sundays. We've looked at stadium improvements that will also help with traffic and flow and circulation. We are also looking at better connections to produce mass transit. will impact and restrict traffic.18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 duration. We will have the New Jersey Turnpike improvements and enhancements related to 18W. along with operational message signing and adaptive signal systems for traffic reduction management patterns as we've been talking about in Bergen County and others. Transportation management plan: Our primary focus is to look at leveraging the local bus traffic system. when traffic congestion is heavy. and improving on-site to allow rapid transit. We also looked at the stay away factor. We are not a shopping mall. This map shows a number of opportunities to . staying away from the project. improving access to the site.

The hearing is now open for I will call the persons who have indicated on the registration sheet that they wish to comment. Socioeconomic impacts: Again.825 billion dollars of new investment into the 1. When you . KARROW: comment. MS. again. over 17.6 billion in wages and over 1.9 billion dollars of existing investment.19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the Penn Station to the Secaucus Transfer Station and other stations and the connection of those through multiple rail lines and the bus and transit opportunities to bring. which will be our absolute primary focus of our operational plan for the center. and over the operational stage. I have five people who would like to speak so let me again remind you the comments should be brief and directed to either the DSEIS consultative process or the Corps of Engineers permit application. from the construction standpoint we will be investing another 1.000 permanent jobs with 11.000 construction jobs during the construction phase.500 on-site and 7. This is an overview of our project and we will turn it back to the hearing officers. greater connectivity. We will generate 19.2 billion dollars of sales tax generated and corporate business tax generated in the first 20 years.

26 Federal Plaza. Please limit your comments to five minutes. If you are submitting written comments. You may be afforded additional time for your comments or rebuttal after I have gone through the list of those who have signed up on the registration sheets. All comments should be sent to the following address so as to be received prior to the close of the comment period: New York District Corps of Engineers. give your name and spelling to the stenographer for our records. Please also give the name of your organization or any interest you represent. The hearing record and comment period for the Corps of Engineers will remain open until close of business on Monday. If you have written materials. Please indicate if your comments are directed to the Corps of Engineers or the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission and New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. New York 10278-0090. who is recording this hearing. . please stand at the podium up here. Room 1937. November 28th 2011 for the receipt of written comments on the permit application. please just summarize them and do not read them at length. please give them to the stenographer. New York.20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are called to present your comments. Regulatory Brach.

2011. Copies of the public notice with instructions should you wish to provide written comments are available at the registration desk. Executive Director. New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. NJ 07071. Marcia Karrow. Box 402. I will be calling the first speaker. P. Again. ma'am. It seems like 100 . They may be submitted in writing to Scott Brubaker.700 families who are earning their living in the construction industry.21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The NJDEP and NJMC will accept additional comments on the DSEIS consultative process until the close of business on Monday. Trenton. My name is Eric E-R-I-C. New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. ERIC BOYCE: Thank you. Lyndhurst. I suppose my comments are directed to anybody and everybody who plays a role in deciding whether this project moves forward or not. 401 East State Street. NJ 08625 or to myself. Boyle B-O-Y-C-E. One DeKorte Park Plaza. I am the business manager of Plumbers Local 24 and I represent 1.O. please state your name and spell it for the stenographer and who you represent and five minutes. Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review. December 19th. We have a vested interest in the entire process to have this project move forward.

This is not uncommon in our industry right now. This project is more than just the completion of something or the removal of an eye sore that politicians all too often. I want to thank this committee for the opportunity to speak and I apologize for not saying that first. over two years. and by that I mean the construction industry. keep kids in school. is the salvation to the men and woman that I This . I also want to thank Triple Five for coming along here. and many public officials want to poke fun at our use as a political football. and what has happened in our industry. This is an opportunity. This isn't just some structure that people don't like to look at. My own Local at this particular time has 40 percent. People throw around numbers. And when you think of everything we have been through over there. 30 to 50 percent 40 to 60 percent on unemployment. Some of them are out of work for over two-and-a-half years. These families are faced with can they pay their healthcare or can they pay their mortgage.22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 years now going to meetings to get the original Xanadu project approved and we never hit the finish line to actually get through that process and go to work. and I have an out of work list that has 515 members that cannot feed their families.

This . I talked to my colleagues about West They don't just build great projects. they They help people earn a don't just spend money.8 billion dollars to finish this project and make it something beautiful and make something people can have some self respect and feed their families and go to work and earn their way and have their health care back. where they can get their children vaccinated. good living in building these projects and maintaining these projects. Edmonton. I talked to my colleagues about the Mall of America. but that is what I've become an expert in in the last couple of year's. I cannot put into words how anxious we are to partner with them and to help them move forward with this project. This is an opportunity to jump start our economy here. They are good corporate citizens in the areas where they build these projects and we are fortunate to have them. I never thought my job as a business manager would be helping to direct my members where they could get residential assistance. This is a great company that wants to build.23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 represent and my colleagues from other trades in the Bergen County building trades. We did not have people lined up trying to come to New Jersey with 1. where local food banks were.

I can't tell you how anxious they are to put those skills to use and start to feed their families and help to jump start this economy and make things work in Bergen County the way we know they should work. We talk about One of the trust funds that is suffering. that is what has to happen. energy conservation. not just pensions and health care. and we want them to work. they said it is what will happen.24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 project is everything to the men and woman of the Bergen County building trades and Local 24. I ask you to please give every consideration to helping this project move forward as quickly as possible and we look forward to being a partner in any way we can and every way we can to see this to the finish line. So on behalf of everyone from Local 24. Obviously Triple Five will do whatever is necessary for this community and the Army Corps and whatever is necessary to make the project happen and they said it here tonight. This is their opportunity for 2012 and 2013 to go back to work. Nobody does more green training than the local unions. . green jobs. we do all our own training and spend millions of dollars in the building trades just in New Jersey to train our apprentices with continuing education with our journey people who served and lead the way in green training.

MS. MR. SANTANA: Good evening. We have 40 percent unemployment and we are really hurting and our members need to go back to work. it is also going to improve the overall aquatic use of the land thereby improving the wetlands and turn it into something we can move forward with. MR. Boyle. KARROW: I apologize Eric. KARROW: Next is Edgar Santana. however.000 members who work. Today's hearing is narrowly focused on permits required for the completion of the entertainment and amusement component of the American Dream project. Boyce how the construction industries have been hurt. I may have called you Mr. live and raise their families in New Jersey. MS.000 construction workers that could work on-site. The reality is. You've heard already from Mr. E-D-G-A-R My name is I am with S-A-N-T-A-N-A. that without this component there is no project. I am here tonight representing 20. the New Jersey Laborers Union. . Not only is this going to put our members back to work. BOYCE: I've been called much worse. And if there is no project there is no opportunity to put back to work the 90. Edgar Santana.25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thank you very much.

O'Brien. K-E-V-I-N My O'-B-R-I-E-N. I am the President of the theatrical stage at the IZOD Meadowlands Complex. MS. name is Kevin O'Brien. Mr. that the key component to this is going to be the fact that this is going to be a destination related economy and the other key component is. everyone in this room knows. I am speaking primarily because we all know. The half-completed shell outside is proof positive that this project cannot be financed without these additional entertainment elements.000 construction jobs and enhanced quality of life throughout the region is a small price to pay to put our workers back to work and we are asking that this move forward so we can put our workers back to work. we have no reason to question that assessment.26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The developers of the American Dream project have made it clear that this project cannot move forward without the entertainment and amusement component they are proposing. Madam Chairwoman and thank you distinguished members of this panel for the opportunity to speak tonight. Good evening. is going to . as Tony said. KARROW: MR. Mitigating a few acres of degraded wetlands in return for 9. O'BRIEN: Thank you. Given the failure of Xanadu.

with them everyday. But a tourism economy can be a sustained economy tool which will create thousands of jobs and needed tax revenue in this state. actually help mitigate the traffic fears and that is one of the key things I like about this project. traffic. But in closing. In a recent address to the Meadowlands Regional Chamber of Commerce. Our local union has a long history at this I work complex as well as some of our crew members. You can't buy that kind of foot And we believe that the addition of Triple Five's monorail from the transit station that exists now to the IZOD Center and the entertainment complex is going to also mitigate those fears and we believe that the monorail is going to be a key component as well. I am mainly here to advocate for jobs and economic development which we need to grow out the fiscal dilemma that we are in in .27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be long term which will help. I am on a rigger and I do theatrical shows at the IZOD Center so I know some of your members. I am a working president. Paul Caslalian (ph) related that the IZOD Center fits nicely into their mix because the added foot traffic from the IZOD Center is going to be a boom to the restaurants in the complex there.

8 billion dollars in an economic assets to this region. Papers and Glaziers of District Council 711. A-N-D-R-E-W S-C-A-L-A.000 construction jobs. I am the business agent for the Painters. SCALA: Hello everybody. So this hearing . Madam Chairwoman and members of this panel. Indecision is no longer an option.500 permanent jobs and 3. MR. KARROW: Andrew Scala. Triple Five will be fastidious to this situation and we believe they will be diplomatic. We believe that the key components that need to be addressed in this project are the amusement park and water park that needs to be included in this mix for the whole project to succeed. thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight and we hope that the wetlands mitigation will pass. Again. 11. My name is Andrew Scala. And our 9. Thank you. but unfortunately in these economic times that is far and few between. That is going to be quite evident when we bid the Superbowl. MS. Within the Meadowlands it will be an asset in the Meadowlands region and northern New Jersey and the entire State as well.28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this State. I would like to say as an agent there is no better feeling in the world than to call a member and telling him or her you are sending them out to work.

I am Sally Altman the Director of Sales and Marketing of the Holiday Inn in Hasbrouck Heights. I am here to support the American Dream project and feel it will have a very positive impact not only on my hotel. MS. Many new jobs. This project is something that will bring in many tourists and visitors from all over the world and bring in a lot of great economic impact. So I am sure if we are willing to work together on this project all our goals and concerns can be accomplished. Thank you. Hello everybody. New Jersey on Route 17. remember. MS. but all the hotels in our neighborhood.29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 couldn't come at a better time. I think the strongest asset that we have as a society is the ability to have an idea and it become a reality. I've sold in this neighborhood for over 20 years and we need a project like this and it is my . KARROW: Sally Altman. ALTMAN: S-A-L-L-Y A-L-T-M-A-N. We heard the people this afternoon talk about the plus and the minuses of this project but yet all I see is the plus side. we built this country on an American dream. And in closing I would like to say. a lot of new tax revenues and something our neighborhood could use.

we are in recess right now and we will reconvene if anybody signs up if you do want to say something. KARROW: Okay. As I said. closed. it is now 8:00 p. We are here until 8:00 p. MS. KARROW: Those are all the speakers that we have signed up at this time. The hearing is now Otherwise . MS.30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 dream to have Triple Five complete their American Dream and we look forward to this opportunity.m. you can hang out with us in the beautiful Hambletonian Room.m. We stand in recess unless somebody else comes in and signs in. and it does not appear that there is anyone else who wishes to present comments.

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8 B E F O R E: 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Reported by: Susan Bischoff, CCR, RPR Certified Court Reporter GLOBAL COURT REPORTING SERVICES, INC. 55 North Bridge Avenue, Suite 6 Red Bank, NJ 07701 732-383-7860 ALSO PRESENT: MAURICE GRIFFIN, Deputy Attorney General Division of Law and Public Safety JAMES PALMER, Assistant District Counsel RICHARD TOMER, Chief of the Regulatory Branch U.S. Army Corps of Engineers MARCIA KARROW, Executive Director New Jersey Meadowlands Commission SCOTT BRUBAKER, Director Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection

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Good morning, would

everybody please take a seat so we can get started. I am Marcia Karrow, Executive Director

of the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission, NJMC. With me are Scott Brubaker, Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review with the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, NJDEP, and Richard Tomer of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. We are the Hearing

Officers for the public hearing to be held today. Also seated with us is Maurice Griffin to my right, Deputy Attorney General from the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, and James Palmer, to Richard's left, Assistant District Counsel. We welcome all of you who have come to

attend this hearing. This morning, we are holding public hearings on two processes related to the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement and Water Park Project. First, I will read a statement with

respect to the Hearing Officers' consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorizing legislation, to be followed by a statement read by Richard Tomer of the Corps of Engineers related to a permit application

This hearing provides you with the opportunity to comment on the DSEIS. My statement is as We are here this morning to receive public comments on the Draft Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. on the websites and at the offices of the Meadowlands Commission. and the Sports Authority.5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 submitted to his agency. It has been available at all public libraries in each of the Meadowlands District municipalities. for the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement Park and Water Park Project to construct an amusement park and a water park within the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East Rutherford. the NJDEP. follows. Your comments will be considered during the preparation of the final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. New Jersey. dated March 2004. prepared by the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority. We will receive comments at two separate . or DSEIS. 2011. The DSEIS was prepared as a supplement to the Preliminary Environmental Impact Statement for the Meadowlands Xanadu Redevelopment Project at the Continental Airlines Arena Site. The DSEIS has been available since October 31st. dated October 2011.

the Hearing Officers will not respond to comments.6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sessions today. When the Sports Authority proposes development projects at the Meadowlands Sports Complex. please sign in at the registration desk. Today's hearing is part of a consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorizing legislation. copies of the handouts. If you wish to submit written or verbal comments. but will receive them for review and consideration. please indicate that on the registration sheets. type and character of the project and with the Meadowlands Commission and the Department of Environmental Protection on ecological factors constituting the environment of the Hackensack Meadowlands so the delicate environmental balance may be maintained and preserved.m. the Authority consults with the Meadowlands Commission on the location. A summary of the hearing. During this proceeding. The first session starts now at 10 o'clock and the second session starts tonight at 6 p. . Please turn off all cell phones and pagers during the hearing. done so. It is our final hearing after having If anyone has not already two hearings yesterday.

The final SEIS is expected to be available to the public on January 2011 -. The Hearing Officers' report and recommendations will thereafter be available for public review at the offices and on the websites of the Meadowlands Commission. 2012. in January 2012. 2011.sorry. At this time. and to the Commission. After the close of the comment period on the consultative process on December 19th. the NJDEP. and at local public libraries within the Meadowlands District.7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and copies of the materials submitted by the public will be included in the final SEIS. The Hearing Officers will then review the final SEIS and submit their reports and recommendations to the Department of Environmental Protection and the Meadowlands Commission for approval on or about March 9th. the Sports Authority will complete and publish the final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. I will be turning over the microphone to Rich Tomer from the Army Corps of Engineers. which will include written responses to the public comments on the Draft SEIS and will submit it to the Hearing Officers and to the Department. and the Sports Authority. .

As Ms. Because the proposed work involves a . to assist in the regulatory review of a permit application submitted by Metro Central. U.47 acres of Corps of Engineers regulated tidal and non-tidal waters of the United States to facilitate its construction of a commercial movement park and water park. Karrow indicated. The permit applicant proposes to discharge fill material into 5. care of Triple Five Development. The permit applicant's stated purpose for the work is to construct a commercial amusement park and water park as a component of the American Dream Meadowlands Complex. The permit applicant has proposed to mitigate for all impacts to the aquatic environment. my name is Richard Tomer.8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. The Corps of Engineers is here today to obtain information and evidence. LLC. I am Chief of the Regulatory Branch for the New York District.S. I will be the presiding officer for this morning's session on behalf of the Corps of Engineers for today's public hearing. TOMER: Thank you. and receive public comment. Army Corps of Engineers.

The Corps of Engineers is neither a proponent for nor an opponent of the proposed work. or be represented by counsel or other representatives. This hearing will be conducted according to the procedures set forth in Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Part 327. A verbatim record of this public hearing is being made. a Department of the Army permit is required from the Corps of Engineers pursuant to Section 10 of the Federal Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 and Section 404 of the federal Clean Water Act. to present recommendations or information. Our role is to determine whether the proposed activity is in the overall public interest. Anyone may appear on his or her own behalf. The hearing transcript will be available on the Corps of Engineers website and a copy will be available for public inspection or . This hearing will play an important part in that determination.9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 discharge of fill material within waters of the United States. but cross examination of witnesses is not permitted. This means that anyone may make an oral or written statement concerning the subject matter of this hearing.

NAN. Thanks.ARMY. New York. All written comments should be addressed to New York District. our mailing address. As a reminder.USACE.MIL. 2011.10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 purchase at the Corps of Engineers office in New York City. is printed on information sheets that are available at the registration tables today. 26 Federal Plaza. I would like to invite Tony Armlin of Triple Five to present an overview of the proposed project. New York 10278-0090. Room 1937. ARMLIN: Good morning. Regulatory Branch. Rich. At this time. Our website address is That website address. MR. as WWW. which is: Corps of Engineers. well as our New York City office mailing address. written comments on the permit application addressed to the Corps of Engineers may be submitted in the until the close of the comment period on Monday. Thank you to the Hearing Officers for the opportunity for Triple Five to do an overview of our project and the proposed enhancement and expansion of the master plan for the project as part of the . and again that mailing address is available at the registration tables. KARROW: Thank you. November 28th. MS.

Turnpike. to the 2004 Environmental Impact Statement.in the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. water park expansion of the already approved project to include the updates to the supplemental -. which we're all familiar with. which is a new parcel adjacent to the existing building site. 120. This is an overview aerial of the proposed site. the existing ERC. Project description. NJSEA and of course to the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission and the Department of Environmental Protection. We will be talking about the potential impacts that the project proposes and imposes on the new site being incorporated into the project and we'll be talking about the major impacts and benefits of the project. Again. to talk about the issues that are presented in our application process to the Army Corps. And now. water park. The location of . the proposed site location for the amusement park. our purpose is to review our proposed amusement park.11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 application to expand our permits. And this shows our site plan. This morning. previously done. the site in relationship to the ERC and the stadium.

Minnesota. It is strategically located. commonly known as the Radio Tower site for the three radio towers that are on the property immediately adjacent to the existing ERC project. as this property will be annexed as part of the approval process.12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the site is a 21.75 acre site. The use is a family entertainment and amusement destination. A critical and central functional part of Triple Five's master plan and overall business model for this property. which will expand the existing retail and entertainment components originally planned for the project. The ERC is the entertainment retail complex that was originally partially constructed and nearing completion. it is critically important the relationship of this property and improvements that are proposed to be put on it to the existing ERC. The land that is part of this process will become incorporated into the master lease with the Sports Authority. as well as the Mall of America project in Bloomington. that's been in . This will replicate the same business model and same business plan that we've used successfully for 30 years at our West Edmonton Mall project.

And. fully enclosed water park and amusement park complex. The size of the amusement park is approximately 318. This is a rendering of what we see the And . a large scale format. Again. For a total area of 639. The water park is approximately 236. The proposed improvements are strategically scaled to be of a size that will attract an international tourist destination visitor. which adjoins the two projects.000 square feet or about 13 acres of footprint on the overall 21. then an blow up showing the areas of each.75 acre site. again.000 square feet and a shared common area of 85. participatory entertainment for our visitors.000 square feet. It's intended to expand and enhance in a dramatic way and reposition in a dramatic way the overall positioning of the property to become a true world class destination.000 square feet. This is a quick site plan of the proposed improvements and the relationship of the amusement park to the water park and the shared common areas and the connecting bridge that connects to the retail entertainment center.13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 place for over 19 years.

We also want to note that the inclusion of the amusement park and water park successfully fulfills one of the primary missions of the NJSEA. And we believe that this project is not economically viable without these components. . Minnesota. as we move forward with the project. and how we have done this successfully in the past. at Mall of America. in its built-out phase. this is a rendering of what we see as the water park in its built-out phase. Again. And this is a picture of our water park at West Edmonton Mall. And this is a photograph of our seven acre amusement park in Bloomington. So you can see the very similar elements that are included. Again. Without the inclusion of the water park and amusement park into the overall positioning of the project.14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 amusement park becoming. 30 years in place and very successful. a lot of rides and attractions under the enclosed skylight area. Obviously. we are not able to execute the model that's fundamental to Triple Five. The primary purpose for us to include this is to create a destination that is economically viable. Purpose and need.

These components provide essential components that are missing from the original planning process and really will bring the property to what the original vision was for the NJSEA. I want to stress we do not believe that we will be able to move forward with the project because we do not believe that the project will be economically viable and will meet the successful requirements necessary for an international tourist destination. Alternatives analysis and this relates to the site selection. . as they enter and exit the project. which is a true international tourist destination.15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to create a true tourist destination and to promote jobs and economic growth. the site is strategically important. water park site be directly located in relationship to and connected to the ERC in a way that brings visitors to and through the project. including both locations on-site and locations off-site to see if there were other viable sites. again. But we did look at other locations. Without these components. it's critically important that the amusement park. As I said earlier.

1. utilities. Environmental conditions. as well as the expansion and enhancement of the existing ERC center adds 1. and mitigations. which includes the construction of the amusement park and water park. vegetation. 9.100 jobs on-site over the duration of the . From geology and soils evaluations.9 billion dollars of investment has already been made by prior developers. wetlands evaluations.000 construction jobs. With the leadership of Langan Engineering and other consultants working on our team. historic impacts. Our proposal.825 billion dollars of new investment over the next several years to bring the project to fruition. in its current state. solid waste. What does the project mean? The project is currently. impacts. 20 different items were evaluated related to the impacts of this particular siting and the proposed improvements on this piece of property. It will create over 19. among others. and other visual and landscape aesthetics.16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And the end result none of the other sites were practicable in terms of their ability to meet our criteria for location and for access and connectivity.

of which 11. also looked at the ability to utilize existing parking. and best practices of operation. We looked at exercising the ability to enhance and use existing infrastructure on the arena site. The first thing that we looked at when we started to approach the project and its proposed improvements on the site was to avoid any adverse environmental impacts. over a 20 year period. We looked at the redevelopment of the Radio Tower site.000 permanent jobs. As we move into the operations phase. we'll create over 17. will generate 7. Environmental conditions. which is currently abandoned and of no direct use. We have a 20 and We 30 year history with West Edmonton Mall and Mall .17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 construction phase. and mitigation. We looked at the property's utilities. The on-site jobs alone. without creating additional parking footprint.6 billion dollars in wages or an average of 382 million dollars of wages per year for on-site employees. energy conservation.490 will be located on-site. And we're also looking very strongly because a big part of Triple Five's focus on design and operations is green design. impacts.

increased air emissions. because our model is focused so much on tourism. We also see increased use in energy. During the construction phase. a loss of 5. But we'll also see We'll increased jobs for construction workers.47 acres of wetlands. Perhaps. in potable water. Short-term impacts. Long term impacts. which we'll control through appropriate means.18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of America of successful green operations of our facilities. in the generation of bringing new visitors and new dollars to not only the center. as well as increased taxes. we see a great impact in terms of new tax dollars and . most importantly. obviously there will be erosion of sediment loadings that will effect the local area through construction run-off. as was pointed out in the original opening. also be looking at increased air and noise emissions during construction. increased use of sanitary and solid waste. Increased jobs. increased traffic from patrons and employees. Most significant. increased taxes generated from the jobs and the investments in the improvements. but to the region and the economy. increased traffic from construction workers.

5. already started that process.5 acres of We potential wetlands impacts will be addressed through mitigation banking. which start with the utilization of three acre credits currently available though the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission Secaucus High School site. It's our intention to work collaboratively with the Army Corps of Engineers and other federal agencies. Triple Five is strongly committed to meet all federal laws and regulations related to the compensation for unavoidable impacts related to wetlands. as well as the Meadowlands Conservation Trust to identify appropriate mitigation sites in the region.19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 new economic growth throughout the northern New Jersey and New Jersey economy. Other issues. foremost. restoration or preservation. a site that's already been restored and those credits are available. The primary issue is First and wetlands impact and mitigation. We've identified five potential paths to achieve those mitigations. Also. as well the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. and New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. looking to the Evergreen MRI-3 .

the opportunity to make payment to the State of New Jersey's Wetlands Mitigation Council Fund as another alternative for mitigation. We could also look at the Keane tract. Triple Five has already undertaken and has currently made an offer on a site for potential wetlands mitigation. so we won't be making an announcement on the site as one of the potential opportunities as well. finally. First and foremost. which is currently in tis final stages of review and approval and expected to be in January or February with a possibility of moving forward in early spring.5 acre credits related to that site. And would work directly with the Meadowlands Conservation Trust for the construction and maintenance of that site. 40 acre parcel.20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 mitigation bank. we've had three firms work on this with us over the past . where Triple Five would fund a restoration project to satisfy up to 5. traffic impacts. wetlands preservation. Next area. We are currently not closed on the deal. Fourth. We would seek about 2. through our traffic evaluations. And.5 acres of wetlands impact.

Our analysis shows there's -- while there is impact in growth and traffic. . We are not a We are an entertainment Our patron comes and spends a much longer duration. Bypass trips. very important factors.21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 several months. And those visits are longer. when we have events and other things that show a lot of massing on the site. regional shopping center. We'll talk that a little bit more. which captures some of the traffic off the local roads that might normally not come in and it takes congestion off the local roadways. destination. which means that we spread traffic flow and traffic destination visits. The nature of our center is very much different than a regional shopping center. it is negligible in comparison to the overall traffic patterns. reducing traffic impact. What we do see and have specifically And looked to address. mass transit is probably one of the largest focuses that we would like to see in terms of improvements and things we would like to do to enhance the use and the utilization of mass transit. We're also looking at internal trips. There's also the issues related to stay away factors.

New Jersey Transit. and improvements on the property to be able to handle both rapid . the racetrack. We're looking and having working with both Bergen County. and others talking about the opportunities to increase and enhance bus service to the property. a big part of traffic management flow through and around our site. another major program that will again assist in traffic flow and regulation. which have had a dramatic impact over recent years in comparison to the original traffic evaluations done. A We are not new at all to working with major complexes of large size and heavy traffic impacts. The New Jersey Turnpike improvements related to exit 18W. And also variable message signing and on-site operations. Transpiration management planning. huge part of the way Triple Five operates. which will restrict traffic. Also the downsizing of The fact that the Bergen County blue laws are in effect and prohibit our ability to have retail activities on Sundays.22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Significant improvements related to the MetLife Stadium. The use of adaptive signal systems for Again. traffic reduction in the general area.

enormous amount of the sales that occur at our properties. and connections to Newark and Hoboken. 50 percent of our visitors at Mall of And that accounts for an America are tourists. We expect to see the same kind of economic activity at our site here at American Dream. We were looking at increasing bus stops. the airports are of major significance related to the international tourism. a major part of . we see an enormous opportunity with the existing infrastructure to improve its linkages through operation and through good management and planning. as well as putting other improvements in place that will create major linkages with the local airports and other traffic centers. And now layering in bus rapid transit and other connections. making people mover connections to the rail station. Secaucus Station. And as we layer in obviously. this is the American Dream location in the general metropolitan area. As a quick site.23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 transit and mass transit connections for existing bus routes and new bus routes that might be put in place. Penn Station. Layering in our major rail connections.

As I said earlier. MS.I'm sorry give your name and spelling to the stenographer.825 billion dollars into the existing 1.000 jobs in the operations phase. With that. please stand at the podium. I have nine So let me. I'll conclude my remarks and turn back to the Hearing Officers. Please also give the name of your organization or any interest that you represent. who's recording the hearing. Tony. if you know. Generate over 19.000 jobs in construction and over 17. The Thank you. give the name of -. Socioeconomic impacts.9 billion of investment that's already been made over the next couple years. again. the construction of the project will invest another 1. KARROW: Thank you. When you are called to present your comments. people who would like to speak. I will call the persons who have indicated on the registration sheets that they wish to comment.24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reducing overall traffic to the site. hearing is now open for comments. remind you that all comments should be brief and directed to either the DSEIS consultative process or the Corps of Engineers permit application. Please indicate .

The NJDEP and NJMC will accept additional written comments on the DSEIS consultative process until the close of business . 26 Federal Plaza. please just summarize them and do not read them at length. If you are submitting written comments. afforded additional time for your comments or rebuttal after I've gone through the list of those who have signed up on the registrations sheets. The hearing record and comment period for the Corps of Engineers will remain open until close of business on Monday. your comments to five minutes. 2011 for the receipt of written comments on the permit application. New York 10278-0090. please Please limit You may be give copies to the stenographer. Regulatory Branch. New York. Room 1937.25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 if your comments are directed to the Corps of Engineers or the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission and New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. If you have written materials. November 28th. All comments should be sent to the following address so as to be received prior to the close of the comment period: New York District Corps of Engineers.

Executive Director. Again. . spell your last name for the stenographer. PO Box 402. Copies of the public notice with instructions should you wish to provide written comments are available at the registration desk. please come up to the podium. Trenton.26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 on Monday. MR. state your name. They may be submitted in writing to Scott Brubaker. New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review. WEST: My name is Michael West. Lyndhurst. 2011. New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. One DeKorte Park Plaza. when I call your name. or to myself. And you get five Our first speaker is Michael West. Marcia Karrow. I'm the field M-I-C-H-A-E-L W-E-S-T. Local 592. minutes. representative of Bergen County Building Laborers. New Jersey 08625. The American Dream Meadowlands project public hearings has given everyone here the opportunity to speak and be heard by all of the parties that will decide if this landmark project will move forward. 401 East State Street. December 19th. identify what organization you represent. New Jersey 07071.

and our lack of future projects has changed the lives of our members so dramatically that the words that I speak here today cannot begin to describe how our ongoing battle to survive has reached a critical stage. that one project and its completion can change how some of us live our lives forever. And I can honestly say. The construction jobs and the permanent jobs that will be created will benefit everyone in the tri-state area. Triple Five. There's no doubt in my mind the hard-earned money generated by this project would be spent in the great State of New Jersey. that as downtrodden as our economy currently is. I've been a resident of Bergen County and a laborer for over 30 years. I would like to say thank . currently at over 30 percent. as I stand here before you. Our high unemployment rates. We've been given a chance by the developer.27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 As a field representative of Local 592. In closing. to change our lives forever with their confidence in the people New Jersey to complete the American Dream Meadowlands project. I've always been optimistic and realistic to the members I represent.

MS. is 100 percent on the mark. I was here last night. You can all see how We have had members in our organization that have gotten so depressed they have committed suicide. Thank you. DODD: S-T-E-P-H-E-N My name is Steve Dodd. We represent men and women that do sign work And I in the State of New Jersey and in New York. MR. everything that I do.my comments. I don't think anybody that's sitting out in this audience lives under a rock. I was here yesterday. everything . I am a business representative for the sheet metal workers Local 137. and everyone here that has the ability to decide that we can say that we helped put the people of New Jersey back to work with the completion of the American Dream Meadowlands project. tremendous devastation to this state. bad this state is in. by the way. Triple Five. can tell you that whatever everybody has said so far. So. We have had a tremendous.28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you to the developer. KARROW: Dodd. D-O-D-D. We have had -. Our next speaker is Steve J. are to all the authorities that have the ability to make approval on this project.

that's one of my favorite sayings. be completed. And not only do we have the Super Bowl that we know of. what would happen is we would be looked at first instead of last for a destination for somebody else to come in here and do something in the future. but in my opinion. is do what we can to make sure that the people that we represent can -.29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that I've been elected to do. to learn. everything that everybody has been put on this earth to do is to serve in some capacity. appointed or otherwise. And what I also believe in is that what you do today affects you five and ten years from now. and do a skill throughout their life that will carry them and their families. So with all the respect in the world to . I had the ability to work on a project here in 1994 called the World Cup. So what this means to us is maybe putting some of those people back on their feet. elected. Something like that would be something that would be entertained in the future if this project was to go forward. What we try to do as officials.we can take them from the cradle to the grave. We do that and we offer them the opportunity to have a job.

SCHNEIDER: Chairman. I'm not living there right now because I was flooded out during the hurricane. I've also been here for the past two days. I heard the panel talk that there were two issues that they're here to hear about today. you heard that already. this will go forward next year. that's critical to all of us. my 57 years in Bergen County. and you'll hear more of that. I'm a -. Madame MR. KARROW: Mike Schneider? Thank you. representative of the Insulators Local 32 out of Newark. I don't want to talk about that. One is the environment and one is public interest. My name is Mike Schneider. I can tell you my house is in Rochelle Park. MS. this. we need to do this now.30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 anybody that has anything negative to say about this. Thank you to Triple Five and the developers and thank to you everybody that wants to do this. As far as the environment goes. And I've heard everybody talk about the jobs and all the things that would help us. but you're wrong. New Jersey.I've lived for 52 of And I'm a business S-C-H-N-E-I-D-E-R. We need to do And if God wills. I'm sorry. hurricane Irene took .

Environmentally. it's a no brainer. we now have the opportunity and we have the technology and the knowledge to build this as environmentally friendly as anything that can be done anywhere in . It's something that has to happen for all the right reasons. We have a unique opportunity here to make a positive. with the due respect to the Army Corps of Engineers. They are far beyond anything that's going to happen in here. like Steve just said. New Jersey. This project is essential for jobs for us now. as far as building trades guys go. is going to make a big difference in the flooding problems we have in the State of New Jersey. not only in northern Bergen County. So we're talking about five acres I don't think that five acres in the Meadowlands. in the whole tri-state area. jobs in the future. As far as public interest goes. positive in the lives of everybody. This is easy. That's another issue we need to take up with Army Corps of Engineer at another time.31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 everything I had and I've been out almost three months already. and entertainment for my two kids who would love something like this that they can go to on their own now because they're driving.

We have the technology and the people in this room who could do it. So please consider all this. and the eloquent speakers previous to me.32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the world. It is someone's dream that thank God they're there for the simple reasons of everybody's previous dreams have gone to the wayside. yesterday evening. the passion of that group instilled a positiveness in the building trades that day that this will take place. as a resident of Bergen County. Marty Wymbs? Good morning. MS. The opportunity is there to make a positive for everybody in this area. KARROW: MR. Madame Chair. I took the passion in my own town . The fact of remediation in regards to the environment. Thank you. WYMBS: thank you very much. And panel. the exuberance. I was here yesterday morning. tough to top. But I would like to start out with the fact that it is a dream. When the Triple Five group came to the building trades last year. Please consider that. this will happen. thank you very much to have this opportunity to speak to everyone in this room.

very unusual then. But along with those constructive criticisms comes remediation and ways that were very. And. we're very environmentally conscious.33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to become a member of the Environmental Commission. everything that we do. definitely work because of the simple fact that the engineering capabilities. I got quite an eye opener as far as how critical wetlands are. Palisades Amusement Park. you multiply it by 100 years and billions of dollars that's being put into it. again. you take that concept. to make a project of this type. American Dream Meadowlands. Well. It started as a trolley stop. which are now commonplace today. this size. I've been a sheet metal worker for 41 years. we're very green. the products that we use today are extremely environmentally conscious. And you're going to come up with a fabulous destination location. I've been a resident of Bergen County for every part of my life. the building trades involvement. And I think that this is All going to be a fabulous destination because an eyesight away from here is a former destination place that was an amusement park. thanks very much for .

Wymbs. will put these people back to work and stimulate the economy. Adolfo DiCosmo? Adolfo I'm a How you doing? DiCosmo. MS. if it goes forward. W-Y-M-B-S. that's A-D-O-L-F-O business agent for Local 7. last name Wymbs. KARROW: Mr.34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 your time. is Martin M-A-R-T-I-N. before you step down. WYMBS: I'm representing all members I got a little My name of sheet metal workers Local 25. not only for my members. but for all New Jerseyans that right now are out of work. And I just want I . sounds like the radio station that they're going to be taking down. D-I-C-O-S-M-O. are you representing yourself or are you representing an organization? MR. unemployment. MS. Six of these members are drained of everything. DiCOSMO: Thank you. just want to thank Triple Five for coming and trying to get this project going. I'm here on behalf of -. excited about speaking about the project. KARROW: MR.I have about 25 members that are here today that are North Bergen residents that are out of work. And this project.

you know. .35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to say thank you very much. And you see the concern and the pressure that people go through and I'm just here to support those members. people are really suffering and hurting. Thank you. real roots. Phil Arena. KARROW: Edmund Werner? Thank you. Mr. those blue collar guys that are out there every day. I thank Triple Five for I support this project. Arena. MS. I was here also yesterday. Again. MS. true grit. Thank you. I thank Triple Five for being committed and trying to finalize this project. ARENA: A-R-E-N-A. KARROW: Phil Arena? MR. Mr. you see every day what's out there. struggling and trying to do the right thing. DiCosmo. Being an organizer. having the vision in these difficult times to finally finance and go move forward on this economic project. It's definitely something that is needed in this area. as many speakers have alluded to before I did. Thank you. I am a building trade labor organizer.

I currently have 40 percent of my Let membership out of work. E-D-M-U-N-D W-E-R-N-E-R. . regarding the American Dream Meadowlands project as it's known today. representative of Local Union 164 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. the project has come to a stop until this new developer. especially the Army Corps of Engineers. Due to the unfortunate timing of the project and the economy. This project will help my members and the members of the other trades get back to full employment and help to replenish our funds. I will be addressing the entire committee. representing approximately 3.36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. Triple Five. came forward to reestablish it. when it first started as Meadowlands Mills back in 2003. WERNER: Good morning. first of all.000 members serving Bergen. Hudson and Essex Counties. me explain. I'd like to say I've been involved with this project right from the beginning. Werner. most for a period of close to two years.well. Due to the unfortunate timing of the project -. I see it as a win-win for everyone. Madame Chair My name is Edmund I'm a business and members of the committee.

They are a reputable firm from what we were able to establish through the building trades located in their areas. Now. Canada. and the mall in Minnesota. not to mention generate new tax revenues. which are both thriving today.500 permanent jobs at the facility with an additional 6. my parents would set up day trips during . I'm not looking to let everyone know how old I am.000 off-site permanent jobs. new tourism. It will also create an estimated 11.000 jobs. but while growing up back in the 50's. The completion of this project is a The project is dependent on the amusement park and water park. economic activity to the region and state. which have been proposed on the additional 27 acre site. including five acres of wetlands. The developer is well known for its sites in Alberta. The project will also bring in new to the area.000 construction jobs on-site. creating new avenues for employment. as well as 10. must.37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 It's been estimated that it will create approximately 9.000 related off-site construction jobs for a total of approximately 18 to 19.

I'm glad to see Marty remembers it. a place where you can snow ski in the summer or swim in the winter. spending a summer day at the outside saltwater wave pool. I long time to hit Bergen County. Well. hope.38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the summer and in the 60's. There was a move once called "Field of Dreams" if you build it. the park. so he's I have fond memories of got to be as old as me. just bigger and better. riding the Cyclone rolled coaster. better than that. I would suggest to the committee -. this your Palisade Amusement Park. I believe that if you permit Triple Five to go forward. At present. it will be a great success and people will come. I was able to jump on a bus with friends and take a short trip from Leonia to Cliffside Park to a place call Palisades Park. I beg this . Meeting new friends. and your children a place to explore. they will come. remove teenagers from the streets and place them in a good secure environment.no. not to mention other attractions. fond memories. This will be the biggest thing in a It will give you It will. And a place open all year long. seeing a show at the outside theatre.

KARROW: Bergen County Thank you for your time.39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 committee to approve the permits to allow this project to go forward. members of the committee. which is also in the background of the Mall of America. we have our main office in Ridgefield Park. we maintain a satellite office in Bloomington. needs this project. and the people who live and need to work here. New Jersey. the . In addition. MS. I represent a relatively small company called the FORT Group. Madame Chair. DELL'OLIO: is Gianna Dell'Olio. Gianna Dell'Olio. We are a marketing company and we host countless. So we feel we have a very compelling story to share with all of the public and with the members of the committee in favor of this project. to allows us to start the economic recovery to the area of Bergen County. countless events on behalf of our clients. Minnesota. G-I-A-N-N-A D-E-L-L-O-L-I-O. I address my comments to you and all those who have the authority to approve this project. We need this project. My name MS. And many of our offices actually overlook the proposed site of the project. as well as on behalf of ourselves. Good morning.

We look forward to . when many of our out-of-town guests or out-of-town clients come to have meetings with us in Minnesota.40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 FORT Group at the Mall of America. In addition. we are also looking forward to participating in many of the community outreach programs that Triple Five's legacy is known for.the positive effects that the Mall of America has had on our business. These events have resulted in increased billings for our office.if we have time to take them to the Mall. always ask us if they'll have time -. Finally. based out of that Minnesota office. again a small company. since the office opened in 2005. even if that's not part of our agenda. And we can only speculate as to This the positive effect that the American Dream will have for us for our New Jersey-based business. the opportunity to continue to re-invest in our employees and in our offices. Thank you very much. the project being approved. they always. We firsthand feel the effects -. increased amount of billing has offered our company. for our Minnesota-based business.

That would be beating a dead horse. Terminal Construction at that time wanted to build what amounted to an indoor theme park in the city. devastating impact of unemployment that's been felt by. not only the members of my organization. Essex and northern New Jersey. but every one of the building trades in Bergen. Hudson. the cast had been set. all the way to the northern property boundaries of what is now the arena. D-R-E-S-S-E-L. 164. Madame Chairman I am Richard Dressel. Thank you. As a young business agent. all the way from about where George's Restaurant is up in Carlstadt. And the idea had been put in place . goes probably back further than anybody in this room. KARROW: MR. but I have to tell you my involvement in this project. It led to a direct involvement. I think we would still be sitting here today going over all the permit processes for that project. believe it or not.41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. I'm the business manager of Local I'm Edmund Werner's boss. And as far as remediation of marshlands goes. in 1986. That got kicked around for a lot of years. he lives with it He explained to you the on a daily basis. DRESSEL: and Committee. Richard Dressel.

. we had a ski dome in place and there was going to be a Ferris wheel and the like. And we interviewed six RPF proposals for what then became Mills's project. Triple Five did put a project proposal in. Governor Corzine put me on the Sports Authority. Importantly. but it looked like a mall. the one reservation that we all had as commissioners was that we didn't want just another mall. And we sat and deliberated with Mills and the land lease arrangements and everything else. but it was far beyond the scope of what we see here today. where the NJSEA had given its approval to the Mills project. At that time. And it ultimately wasn't determined that was the way to go. Then-Governor McGreevey appointed me to the original stakeholders committee of nine members. And we had severe reservations of how ugly it was on the outside. Subsequently.42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to do something with the property. Sure. Once the thing got built. as a commissioner. I understand Triple Five is going to straighten that out first thing. one of the commissioners compared it to the Con-Ex Box Storage ten miles south on the New Jersey Turnpike. which we met right here.

what it's evolved into is a place of destination with a theme park. retirees are getting hurt. However. The state needs And it. And that was discussed way back when we had the original six proposals for the site. the unemployed members are getting hurt. now. decimate our health care benefits to our members. kids are not going to college. along with the retail and ski dome and everything that's going to come after it. We can't take it anymore. That's readily available and can be used for that. it's sorely needed. It is the much needed hook that brings the public in. We need help and this project promises to put thousands of our members to work at a time worse than the Great Depression. you're probably . there is an issue brought up in presentation about the land mitigation. And when I say that.43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 need this. the income tax revenue generated by it. So I can't stress any more how much we I have members that have lost homes We recently had to and we've had a suicide. This is the major economic engine of northern New Jersey and everything west of the Hudson River. homes are being lost.

an annuity fund. Thank you. thank you enough for doing this. I'm My name is Michael Koppenal. and an apprenticeship training fund. that this is the worth recession that Local 164 has witnessed since the Great Depression. it's worse because your grandfather didn't have to worry about a pension fund. at breakfast. I made a statement at a trustee's for our funds meeting back in February. Madame Chair. We need something to build. that being a third generation of this organization.44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 alarmed because the older people in this room probably have visions of soup lines and what have you. here representing myself and my company. I'll tell you this morning. This is the greatest project ever introduced into northern New Jersey. Michael Koppenal. KARROW: MR. my grandfather's time. Wilentz Carting. K-O-P-P-E-N-A-L. They had to I worry about going out and finding something to build. And let's get it done. who said actually. MS. a health care fund. KOPPENAL: Thank you. And I address my I can't issues to everyone sitting on the panel. my daughter said what are you going to . was summarily redressed on that issue by our actuary.

R-O-V-I-T-O. I represent a company RS Snapco.45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 do at work today. But also based on my research. KARROW: MR. I said I'm going to go to a meeting and I'm going to argue in favor of an amusement park. All of This is You know. for the opportunity to speak today. we We've been a have been in business 67 years. a rising tide lifts all boats. My company is certainly excited about this project for the specific opportunity of possibly working with Triple Five at this facility. he's cool. We all know that we need this project and many of the people who have spoken before me have reiterated what the issues that we face are. Dad. And that's what really gets me motivated. And I thank you Thank you. ROVITO: Richard Rovito. us have been stuck in the mud for awhile. there's an enormous economic benefit to be realized by the region when a project of this size and this scope comes into play. members of the committee. something that we very much need. member of the Meadowlands Chambers of Commerce . Madame Chair and Richard Rovito. I think that may be the first time that she ever looked at me and said. MS. man.

Since this project has not gone forward. We need this project to go forward to sustain our company. I have a wife and three daughters. I understand the concerns. I don't know how much future there's going to be. MS. I live here. I personally live in Rutherford. We were very impressed with how its progressed and what their plans are for the future. Thank you.46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 since there's been a Meadowlands Chamber of Commerce. Jill. But I do Seeing some of the great shops that are going in there. so we're a local company. have one fear. so I'm local to this area. The environment for the future. And that does scare me a little bit. The environmentalists. we need it now. Janna Chernetz? I hope I But I endorse it fully. well. We've had the opportunity to work on this project with the previous developers. we've had two layoffs and we're struggling. We've met with Triple Five. KARROW: . if we don't get this project. we're at 1000 Wall Street West. We're right here in Lyndhurst. We need this project. who took our entire company on a tour of the facility.

and to ensure that American Dream does not pose a further drain on New Jersey's existing infrastructure and economy. MS. My name is Janna Chernetz. C-H-E-R-N-E-T-Z and I am an attorney and the New Jersey Advocate for Tri-State Transportation Campaign. CHERNETZ: Pretty good. and Connecticut. After reviewing the Supplemental EIS. and also a life-long resident of New Jersey. Our primary objective regarding the American Dream Meadowlands project is to ensure adequate and reliable public transportation to the facility. Tri-State Transportation Campaign is a non-profit organization working for more equitable and environmentally sound transportation networks and sustainable land use policies in New Jersey. Tri-State finds that there remain too many unanswered questions. Madame Chairwoman. J-A-N-N-A. thank you for the opportunity to testify today. A prominent assumption for the underlying transportation component is that Triple Five anticipates a -. a substantial .quote.47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 got that right. New York. paying specific attention to the transportation component.

the underlying understanding of how this assumption was derived is absent. According to the supplemental EIS. Key planning documents. it is premature to make any conclusions about the effect the expansion will have on New Jersey's roads and the existing mass transit system and how these effects will successfully be mitigated. As such. Throughout the supplemental EIS. . While we applaud Triple Five for its recognition of the imperative role mass transit will play in the success of American Dream Meadowlands. such as the transportation management plan. Triple Five calls upon NJT to increase bus service and rail service to the Meadowlands. developers working with NJT and other transportation agencies to increase bus service to the project site and develop regular rail service to the Meadowlands complex.48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 increase in the use of mass transit by American Dream Meadowlands patrons and employees and a simultaneous decrease in automobile traffic. and important conversations with New Jersey Transit have yet to occur. Details about how Triple Five plans to partner with NJT are completely missing.

any such plans by Triple Five remain nothing but speculation. recent rail delays and ailing infrastructure. but Port Authority recently slashed its capital program which included much needed garages for the bus. more details are needed regarding the programs including how each program will affect traffic congestion and how they will be implemented so . Triple Five is relying on bus service out of the Port Authority to serve American Dream Meadowlands. A positive aspect of the EIS is that Triple Five envisions a wide range of programs to be explored and potentially implemented as part of the overall transportation plan. Port Authority and New Jersey DOT and without a timeline for implementing any plans.49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Nowhere does it state how this will be funded and whether NJT and other agencies are prepared to meet the demands of Triple Five and any such timeline for the completion of the mass transit component. Without express commitment from NJT. However. NJT's budget has shrunk from half the DOT's capital program in '04 to a third in 2012. NJT's budget is already stretched and This can be seen through cannot meet demands.

In addition. The added traffic as a result of American Dream will further tax these deficient roads. The effects that American Dream on the surrounding roads have not been fully explored. These cars have to arrive from somewhere. the Transportation Impact Assessment relies on figures obtained by the Institute of Transportation Engineers determining increased traffic due to the addition of the amusement park. Route 17 and the Turnpike be affected by the increase in traffic? Can the roads handle this increase in traffic? What about the effects the increased traffic will have on residential areas adjacent to the roads? What effect will the increase in traffic have on the road itself. Route 3. How will roads such as Route 120. been explored. None of the these questions have New Jersey's existing infrastructure needs are not being met. The TIA suggests the addition of the amusement park will increase traffic by less . as half the roads are deficient.50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 they will be successful. This is only part of the picture. The only roads addressed in the Supplemental EIS are the immediate surrounding access roads and ramps.

Garden State Plaza Shopping Mall in Paramus. American Dream Meadowlands will be doomed from the start. Given the estimated 55 million visitors a year and without a concrete plan and documented commitment from NJDOT and NJDEP. . TSTC recommends that Triple Five partner financially with NJT.51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 than one percent of the previous permitted traffic volume for Xanadu. TSTC questions the reliability of the ITE to make these projections for American Dream Meadowlands. In addition. sees approximately 20 million visitors annually. New Jersey. the question raised by TSTC must be answered. PANYNJ and provide -. Prior to moving forward.by providing a percentage of profits to transit operating costs to supplement the increased service on the already taxed transit agencies. The numbers seem awfully low for an amusement park that boasts state of the art adrenaline inducing rides and the extensive water park. We need to look no further than our own Westfield back yard to illustrate this point. The area is chronically plagued by traffic issues despite being at the intersection of three major highways and being served by over ten bus lines.

. if you build it. CHERNETZ: Ms. only if they can get David Snyde. And we look forward to the many meetings in which these concerns will be addressed and progress accomplished. I need you to Sure. they will come. there. SNYDE: Thank you. MS.52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. I'm here on behalf of myself. And I got my first listing From that there. Thank you. KARROW: wrap it up. MS. started in this area back in 2003 when a new development across the river called Riverside Court came online. David Snyde. Tri-State appreciates the offer for dialog with Triple Five and is encouraged by their actions to engage in discussions regarding the impact of American Dream will have on New Jersey transportation infrastructure. As a prior speaker said. after the builder sold out. VRI Well. S-N-Y-D-E. I Real Estate. Chernetz. Triple Five should be also provide local aid contributions to local roadway networks to surrounding municipalities and counties and the state to pay for infrastructure demands. KARROW: MR.

My feeling is when you employ 36.53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 point on. And it was going to be a But mixed residential. know who that builder was.000 employees in a place. 55 and regular units. ten percent are going to be executives.200 units across. because of Encap. when Xanadu was there was the fact that there's a whole new beginning coming to New Jersey. would have completed the project. but yet you could be across the river. we have 212 town homes on the waterfront. one of the key things that was exciting at the time. one of which was going to build 2. The executives are going to want places to live and why not surround the area and be close to where you work. Prices will escalate because if you have And 30. you don't have to be right here. Subsequently. some of the major builders that I represent. I only see a plus plus on Triple Five coming into this area with the . on Route 3 here. And a lot of you And I was going to be the broker representing that facility.000 new jobs in a marketplace that is struggling and the sellers of these homes are in trouble because the price values have gone down. directly across from Triple Five. it went away.

a win. And then you're going to have the I envision something.54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 expansion of this community and the American Dream will come true. maybe this is the Disneyland. I envision because of the train service coming in and the way we have it from New York City. . grandparents. developers say I don't want to do it. You're going to have parents want to take their kids to Disneyland. and I said. I didn't know anyone. And one of the things that I dreamed of and that was to have a waterway situation where the ferry would come up. I'm just me. All the But if there's a Disneyland here. Just a Realtor. could you dredge this and be environmentally friendly. win. win. I could see the ferry coming up and discharging all the potential people here. what would you think. I So I see spoke to Arthur Imperatore back four years ago. you're going to have skiers coming out on the train with the ski boards or snow boards. what better thing to have a parent maybe spend six months in Florida. six months here and they're in the area. And I can envision 55 and older communities which we're having the worst problem selling now in my new construction.

And I And wasn't planning on being here. KARROW: that's the end of the speakers that have signed up so far. Then we'll be returning again tonight. I was going to a construction site. We are here until twelve o'clock.55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Because now we have a train. And I said ten to twelve. I Thank you very much. one moment to acknowledge that Congressman Rothman has a had a representative here also for all three hearings so far. have to express myself. construction that will create more jobs for the laborers and more executives coming in here. MS. feel free to mill around. it's not the Garden State Mall that you can only go by bus and get stuck on Route 17. all the Giant players. this. . This is the best transportation And I hope you will consider This can be a godsend to this community and And the new to the values of prices in the area. Ladies and gentlemen. We will be in recess until someone else signs up. You have a train here on the weekends that takes all the Jets out. system we have. So you can I'll call everybody I want to take back in if anybody else signs up. I just want to say thank you very much.

N-O-S-I-A-Y. This project is -. Madame Chair. NOSIAY: Thank you.it's so important right now with the unemployment. I've seen the worst of times. I mean. Our unemployment numbers are -.) MS. R-O-N. we have another speaker. Let's put the the cost of taking this thing down? money in it to get it finished. I'm a My name is Ron Nosiay.56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Whereupon a short recess was taken. I've been in the trades for 40 years. What we have here in the trades is -. And if we don't get this thing done. District Council 711 entails tapers. member of District Council 711. 40. KARROW: At this time. I've seen the best of times. painters. what's going to happen with this building out here? Who's going to pay to take this thing down. out of Local Union 1976. and glaziers. I mean this is . it's carnage.it's not bad times. just like everybody else.same thing. their side conversations outside? MR. Ron Nosiay. 50 percent. MR. it seems like an intelligent project. GRIFFIN: Will everyone please take Thank you. So I thought.

You know we So I'd like to ask this panel to Thank please make this work so we all can work. it's going to be known as the New Jersey nightmare. If this thing doesn't get done. And we don't need that. I'm here to direct my comments to the Dream America Meadowlands has been Paul entire group. as you know. you.57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 called the American Dream. They have done this in the Edmonton Mall. ORENCHUK: Steve O-R-E-N-C-H-U-K.5 million dollar square foot retail and entertainment amusement complex. This project will generate income and this is what we need at this point. MS. become a real thought-out project. MR. Our next speaker is Steve My name is I am the Chairman of the Board of the Meadowlands Regional Chamber of Commerce. KARROW: Orenchuk. the role to bring this new Dream America to the Meadowlands. Good morning. But the uniqueness of this is that they are very much involved in community. need the jobs. they've done this in the Mall of America. This is. Ghermezian and his team have taken the responsibility. And they really . a 7.

Having been involved with this project.almost 10 million jobs. we went in with Xanadu and now that it's Mall of America. They will employ almost When we currently nine -. I am the son of an iron And I remember the This is worker. full time. part time.anything that's a problem be handled.58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 want to cultivate and bring jobs and bring this project to the area. as well as permanent jobs. over about 11. .000. days when my father was unemployed and he had to he go drive a taxi just to put food on the table. here we have a lot more people. in terms of the jobs. And they've been through this. They've taken on a project of this size and magnitude and have made it work and in an area of much smaller per capita of people. They are very interested in making sure that all -. have an unemployment rate of 9 percent in this country. Most importantly. the difference between this group is just amazing. Paterson Local 483. Most importantly. they've done it with the other malls. going to be a very successful project. I'm going to speak from the standpoint of all the gentlemen in the back. the opportunities for jobs will be tremendous.

the rules are MR. here for approximately another 50 minutes in this public hearing. I guess. Thank you. And I respect you for all being here to Thank you. KEENAN: MS.) MS. K-E-E-N-A-N. KARROW: please come to the podium. spell your last name. we stand in We will be support this job. (Whereupon a short recess was taken. My name is Jerry Keenan. Thank you.can you please take a seat or step out of the room if you want to continue your conversations. identify your organization. speaker -. Thank you. And you have five minutes. I'm the executive vice-president of . Keenan. KARROW: recess until we have other speakers. I'm We have a couple Our first reconvening the hearing now. state your name for our court stenographer. I'll MR. Jerry Keenan.59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So I understand what you guys are feeling right now. Okay. Mr. MS. KEENAN: have to throw out the last 20 pages of my speech then. Once again. KARROW: Ladies and gentlemen. more speakers who have signed up.

But besides the economic impact that we're talking about here. it's here is because the NFL is a good friend of the Marra's and they're trying to help out. I would call on the DEP. is a vital project to the future. This American Dream project. my dress. I'm actually -. anything else I need? MS.60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the New Jersey Alliance for Action. This is really I believe a once in a I don't believe the Super I think the only reason lifetime opportunity. And I'm . Bowl will ever come back. but I consider it a project of vital economic significance for the entire state. I want to thank you for the time and thank you for everyone sitting down and listening to me. as everyone here knows. but I wanted to make sure I come up and speak about this. the environmental concerns are also very important. particularly in light of the fact with the Super Bowl coming in 2014. the state.I apologize for I was on vacation today. and all of the interested officials to recognize the importance of this project and to allow it to move forward as expeditiously as possible. Is there Five minutes. KEENAN: That's good. not only of north Jersey. KARROW: MR.

years ago when this project was originally conceived in various incarnations. economically and environmentally. I want to say thank you for your time. I just want to put on the record that the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission is a member of the Alliance for Action. you know.61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 confident with the DEP's leadership that the proper protocols will be taken and followed to ensure that the environmental safety of the area is protected. KARROW: Thank you. that. but all of the citizens of New Jersey and all the people that would like to come here and spend their tourist dollars. how horrible the environmental area -. And the developers from the beginning have done a fantastic job in cleaning up this area and keeping it clean. So I'm looking forward to a fantastic opportunity both. Mr. It was terrible.environmental condition of this area was. A lot of people don't remember either. So I don't want anybody out there thinking we have a conflict -- . Keenan. MS. lousy junk was up here. one that could really benefit not only this region. I've seen the pictures oil cans and other. And really So with make it a great win-win for all involved.

And they ask I spent seven months of my working life in that building. District Council 711. we had three things that were very strong to us. MR. And it was very important and drilled into my head that being a part of the trades. That I would be able to make a decent wage. there was some people talking about the trades being here and being able to speak because we were unemployed. There was a comment made this morning when I walked in. ARLOTTA: Chairwoman. employed. And I have to ask these members who have We do not want We want to be been out of work for a long time to come and stand on a picket line or to come and support a candidate that we want to support. know here that I was raised in a union household. which I deal with on a daily basis. and retire with dignity. John Arlotta. Thank you. have health care. My members. they set up picket lines and political action. to be here. that . Madame My name is John Arlotta.62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we do have a conflict. we want to be employed. I am a representative of the IEPAD I just want everyone to A-R-L-O-T-T-A. me when am I going back to work.

You know. we're We eat in a bad times in this thing. We live in this state. guys. the American Dream.I said this to Adolfo this morning. the tradesmen. come down to my town in June. KARROW: Once again.63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 blue ceiling. It's the same thing. well. you know. my father would take us from Bronx to Palisades Park. And people up here talking about transportation. If we build it. this state. We play in this state. If we build it -. us back to work. MS. I happen to live at the Jersey shore. When I was a child. Put Let us spent our money in this The governor says that we have. Thanks. traffic yes. Our kids go to school in this state. put us back to work. And the toughest day that I had was when they told me to pack my tools up and leave because there was no money in that project. July. we'll be in recess unless someone comes in and signs up to . this opportunity to help our state and my members. I painted and stained. might be a problem. state. that wood thing. Let us use So please. they will come. August. The American Dream and Triple Five is what it's supposed to be.

Louie Casbar. please. MS. CASBAR: can't hear too good. I read in the paper I don't know how Myself. Please state You have to speak up. I your name for the record. identify if you are representing an organization. Our next speaker is Mr. MR. KARROW: Ladies and gentlemen. Mr. CASBAR: MS. can you please state your name for the record. KARROW: last name? MR. KARROW: I'll try. KARROW: minutes.) MS. Can you please spell your yourself or an organization? MR. KARROW: C-A-S-B-A-R. CASBAR: MS. you can go up to the podium. You have five you want to expand that Xanadu. we're reconvening. . Are you representing My name is Louis Casbar. Casbar.64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 speak for about another 33 minutes. MR. Thank you. CASBAR: MS. MR. CASBAR: Okay. spell your last name. (Whereupon a short recess was taken.

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you pronounce it, but I say Xanadu. to build a playground.

And you want

To begin with, you couldn't finish the first one you started. a second one. And now you want to start

I want to know, as a taxpayer, as a

Veteran of World War 2, where is the money going to come from without taxing the general public? MS. KARROW: comment period only. comments. a comment. MR. CASBAR: MS. KARROW: MR. CASBAR: My question is -Comment. If you couldn't finish the Mr. Casbar, this is a We are only taking public

So you need to phrase your question as

first project you started, why should you start the second one? come from? MS. KARROW: Again, Mr. Casbar, no one And where is the money going to

is here to answer questions. MR. CASBAR: MS. KARROW: Oh. You can only comment.

You're welcome to the speak to the Triple Five group afterwards, but -MR. CASBAR: Well, I feel you shouldn't

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responsible for it that wants to build it, unless they have the money to do it and complete it. MS. KARROW: Casbar. Ladies and gentlemen, we stand adjourned. This public hearing is now closed. We Thank you very much, Mr.

will be back once again tonight from six to eight p.m. to conclude our public hearing in the beautiful and lovely Hambletonian room.

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STATE OF NEW JERSEY NEW JERSEY MEADOWLANDS COMMISSION AMERICAN DREAM AT MEADOWLANDS PROJECT PUBLIC HEARING -------------------------------------November 16, 2011 50 State Route 120 East Rutherford, New Jersey 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.

8 B E F O R E: 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Reported by: Susan Bischoff, CCR, RPR Certified Court Reporter GLOBAL COURT REPORTING SERVICES, INC. 55 North Bridge Avenue, Suite 6 Red Bank, NJ 07701 732-383-7860 ALSO PRESENT: MAURICE GRIFFIN, Deputy Attorney General Division of Law and Public Safety JAMES PALMER, Assistant District Counsel RICHARD TOMER, Chief of the Regulatory Branch U.S. Army Corps of Engineers MARCIA KARROW, Executive Director New Jersey Meadowlands Commission SCOTT BRUBAKER, Director Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection

2 1 2 3 SPEAKER JOHN SARACENO Onyx Equities 4 5 MIKE McKERNAN Local 1483 6 7 JOANNE CIMILUCA East Rutherford 8 9 TOM GREGORIO President/CEO 10 11 RICHARD SABATO 12 Local 24 Meadowlands Hospital I N D E X PAGE 27 30 34 36 38 Bergen County Building Trades 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 .

S. This evening. Executive Director of the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. KARROW: Good evening. With me to my left is Scott Brubaker. Deputy Attorney General. We are the Hearing Officers for the public hearing to be held tonight. and Richard Tomer to his left of the U. Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. Also seated with us to my left is Maurice Griffin. Army Corps of Engineers. We welcome all of you who have come to attend this hearing. Assistant District Counsel. I'm Marcia Karrow. we are holding the final of four public hearings on two processes related to the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement and Water Park Project.3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. I will read a statement with respect to the Hearing Officers' consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorizing legislation to be followed by a statement read by Richard Tomer of the Corps of Engineers related to the permit application submitted to his agency. First. My statement is as . from the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety. NJMC. And to Rich Tomer's left is James Palmer. NJDEP.

4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 follows. dated October 2011. If . The DSEIS has been available since October 31st. and the Sports Authority. This hearing provides you with the opportunity to comment on the DSEIS. this our final session. 2011. dated March 2004. The DSEIS was prepared as a supplement to the preliminary environmental impact statement for the Meadowlands Xanadu Redevelopment Project at the Continental Airlines Arena site. Your comments will be considered during the preparation of the final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement or SEIS. Again. We are here this evening to receive public comments on the Draft Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. It has also been available at all public libraries in each of the Meadowlands District Municipalities. New Jersey. prepared by the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority for the American Dream Meadowlands Amusement Park and Water Park Project to construct an amusement park and a water park within the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East Rutherford. the NJDEP. DSEIS. on the website and at the offices of Meadowlands Commission.

the Hearing Officers will not respond to comments.5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 anyone has not already done so. type. During tonight's proceedings. please indicate that on the registration sheet. Tonight's hearing is part of a consultation process set forth in the Sports Authority's authorizing legislation. and character of the project and with the Meadowlands Commission and the Department of Environmental Protection on ecological factors constituting the environment of the Hackensack Meadowlands so the delicate environmental balance of the Hackensack Meadowlands may be maintained and preserved. summary of the hearing. the Authority consults with the Meadowlands Commission on the location. If you wish to submit written or verbal comments. copies of the handouts. After the close of the comment period on A . When the Sports Authority proposes development projects at the Meadowlands Sports Complex. but will receive them for review and consideration. please sign in at the registration desk. Please turn off cell phones and pagers during the hearing. and copies the materials submitted by the public will be included in the final SEIS.

Army Corps of Engineers. I'm Chief of the Regulatory Branch for the New York District. MR. The final SEIS is expected to be available to the public in January 2012. the NJDEP. I am Richard Tomer. I would like to turn over the microphone to Rich Tomer from the Army Corps of Engineers for his statement. and the Sports Authority and at local public libraries within the Meadowlands District. The Hearing Officers' report and recommendations will thereafter be available for public review at the offices and on the websites of the Meadowlands Commission. I will be the presiding officer for this evening's . U.S. TOMER: Thank you. the Sports Authority will complete and publish the final SEIS. The Hearing Officers will then review the final SEIS and submit their report and recommendations to the Department of Environmental Protection and the Meadowlands Commission for approval on or about March 9th. 2011. At this time. 2012. which will include written responses to the public comments on the Draft SEIS and will submit it to the Hearing Officers and to the Department and the Commission.6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the consultative process on December 19th.

to assist in the regulatory review of the permit application submitted by Metro Central. care of Triple Five Development.47 acres of Corps of Engineers regulated tidal and non-tidal waters of the United States to facilitate its construction of a commercial amusement park and water park. Permit applicant's stated purpose for the work is to construct a commercial amusement park and water park as a component of the American Dream Meadowlands complex. The Corps of Engineers is here today to obtain information and evidence. The permit applicant proposes to discharge fill material into 5.7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 session on behalf of the Corps of Engineers at this hearing today. Because the proposed work involves a discharge of fill material into waters of the United States. The permit applicant has proposed to mitigate for all impacts to the aquatic environment. LLC. and receive public comment. a Department of the Army permit is required from the Corps of Engineers pursuant to Section 10 of the Federal Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 and Section 404 of the Federal Clean Water .

8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Act. The Corps of Engineers is neither a proponent for nor an opponent of the proposed work. or be represented by counsel or other representatives. The hearing transcript will be available on the Corps of Engineer's website and a copy will also be available for public inspection or purchase at the Corps of Engineers office in New York City.army. This means that anyone may make an oral or written statement concerning the subject matter of this hearing. Our role is to determine whether the proposed activity is in the overall public interest. This hearing will be conducted according to the procedures set forth in Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations.nan.usace. but cross examination of witnesses will not be permitted.mil. written record of this public hearing is being made. to present recommendations or information. Part 327. A verbatim record. website address where the transcript will be posted is www. Anyone may appear on his her own behalf. This hearing will play an important part in that determination. That website The .

I would like to Tony Armlin of Triple Five to present an overview of the proposed project. 2011. is printed on information sheets that are available at the registration tables outside this hearing room. New York 10278-0090. Rich. MS. I'm the vice-president of development and construction working on the project. as well as our New York City office mailing address. As a reminder. MR. which is at 26 Federal Plaza. November 28th. that address is available at Thank the registration tables if you need it. Room 1937. At this time. Again. Thank you for the Hearing Officers for the opportunity to give you an overview of our project. Thank you for the opportunity to present the project on behalf of Triple Five. KARROW: Thank you. Regulatory Branch. ARMLIN: Good evening. . you. My name is Tony Armlin. which is New York District. written comments on the permit application addressed to the Corps of Engineers may be submitted until the close of the comment period which is on Monday. New York.9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 address. All written comments should be directed to our address. Corps of Engineers.

We've prepared this for the NJSEA and the consultation process with the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission and the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. This is the project site and aerial showing the location of the proposed improvements. to amend the existing master plan for the overall project. Izod Center in the back. which Triple Five is taking over and completing.10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Our purpose tonight in this presentation is to present the proposed addition of a water park and amusement park. And to overview the major points of the Draft SEIS as prepared by Langan Engineering. Our focus tonight will be on the potential impacts of the addition of the proposed amusement park and water park. which would be on the tract adjacent to the existing entertainment and retail complex. along with our application to the Army Corps of Engineers related to wetland mitigation and permitting process. This is a supplement to the existing Environmental Impact Statement prepared in 2004 and amends to include the amusement park and water park. ERC. .

in position to the ERC. The land will be incorporated into the overall lease and master plan of the NJSEA upon completion of the approval. Triple Five a as I said.11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 This is a site plan of our proposed improvements. developer of mixed use and entertainment destination projects. The amusement park and water park on this parcel of property next to the existing ERC. in connection to the existing entertainment complex. It is strategically located. which is a 21. Project description.75 acre site. again. which was built in the early . The project is located on what is called the Radio Tower site immediately adjacent to the existing ERC. And then this photograph shows an aerial depiction of the property in relationship to the ERC and the stadium with the Turnpike below and 120 cutting through the site. starting with our West Edmonton mall. The use of the property is for a family amusement and entertainment use. It is strategically located which will be an important part of our presentation as we move forward. It is scaled to promote a large scale tourist and international tourism destination.

And it will be a major element in The terms of entertainment attraction that will compliment the existing entertainment retail components currently contemplated in the project. developed in 1992. 13 acres roughly. This includes a major focus on And specifically on the amusement and attraction. The location again. The character of the project will be to create a participatory environment. inclusion of the amusement park and water park.12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1980's. and they will both share a shared common area of 85.000 square feet or 13 acres. about seven plus acres for the amusement park. amusement park itself will be a 318.000 square feet. Minnesota. which is the subject of tonight's discussion. the water park a 236.000 square foot facility. The . and followed by our Mall of America project in Bloomington. for a total 639.000. This business model is applied here to our vision of how American Dream will be redeveloped. Between the two properties. a large format. we have over 50 years in experience in developing projects that have international tourist destination appeal. the site plan. five to six acres on the water park.

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ERC and the amusement park and water, with the shared common area. showing the areas. This is a rendering of the interior of the amusement park. It shows a number of rides And another blowup that's

and attractions under an enclosed skylight area. This is an actual photograph of our facility at Mall of America, which is a seven acre amusement park, again, under skylight with a number of amusements and attractions. And another picture

from a different direction, showing that format and structure. The next picture is a rendering of our proposed improvements for the water park at American Dream. And it's followed here by an

actual photograph of our installation at West Edmonton Mall, a similar five acre water park. Purpose and need. This proposed

improvement provides critical necessary elements to make our project economically feasible. Without these elements, we believe that the project is not economically viable. Again, going

back to Triple Five's business model, our approach is to create not a retail center, we're not a shopping center. We're an entertainment

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destination center that focuses on a long experience of entertainment, amusement, and retail mixed together in an appropriate format structure. And it needs to be an anchored by an amusement attraction of this scale and this density. Additionally, this project fulfills in this format the original charge of the NJSEA, which was to create an entertainment based facility that had large scale tourist attraction and promoted job growth in the region, which this does. It provides the essential components that, without this element, we don't believe the project would be able to succeed. It would not

certainly create a world class tourist destination that is appropriate and necessary for the project to be economically viable. Last but not least, we believe that this large format structure creates a destination that will not only create tourism, but will promote the project to the level and scale that will bring back the same level of entertainment and destination that the Meadowlands once had. Alternatives analysis. As a part of the

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looked at a number of alternative locations to which the project could be located, both on the site and off the site. After that evaluation, it became clear that there were no practicable alternatives that provided the linkages necessary for adjacency, for density, and for positioning of the property so that we could have this element in a successful format with the ERC. Also as part of the process, the consultants looked through over 20 criteria of evaluation which ran from geological and soils evaluations, wetlands evaluations, flood plain, vegetation, solid waste, utilities, land use and zoning, park lands, and historical, features among others. To put this in context from an environmental conditions impact and mitigation standpoint, you have to understand the investment. During the construction phase, we will be investing approximately 1.825 billion dollars on top of the existing 1.9 billion dollars already invested to create the improvements that you see on the site today. And that would bring the

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as well as the new construction of the amusement park and water park to fruition. In the process of making that investment, we see that the project will be generating upwards of 19,000 jobs, of which 9,100 construction jobs would be on site and over 10,000 jobs off site. As we move from the construction

phase into the operations phase, we see approximately 11,490 jobs being created as permanent jobs on site, with an additional 6,000 jobs off site for over 17,000 jobs created as part of this process. In fact, over a 20 year period, the permanent employment wages paid over that period will generate about 7.6 billion dollars of wages or over 382 million dollars of wages per year. As a part of our evaluation, we looked to a number of terms that relate to impact. First, how do we avoid adverse environmental impacts. And we looked at the existing condition

of the Radio Tower site, which is an abandoned site that is ripe for redevelopment. We also

looked at the existing infrastructure of the arena site and how to maximize that's use. And we

looked at the parking capacities at the existing

which is green design. increased traffic from construction workers coming to the site. income taxes. something That triple Five is very focused on. Perhaps the most profound is the issues related to the loss of 5. as well as the proper use of materials and utilities in the site. the benefits related to jobs created during the construction phase and the associated taxes generated from payroll taxes. issues that will have to be controlled. erosion. there will be impacts related to construction run-off. and operation of our properties across the country. Short-term impacts. and sales and use taxes. All things that are fundamental to the way that we approach the design.47 acres of wetlands that will be disturbed related . as well as materials and equipment. Also. and the best practices in the operation of the facility. The long term impacts. but not least. development.17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 site and how to create and use that parking facilities in a way that did not require additional parking. Increased air and noise emissions during construction. energy conservation. And then last. During the construction period.

of our overall plan. First and A very important part foremost. brings significant dollars from outside the local economy into the economy and creates an economic lift. Triple Five is strongly committed to meeting all federal laws and regulations related to the compensation for unavoidable impacts to wetlands. Over 50 percent of the visitors that come to our Mall of America facility are tourists. Focusing on some of the more important aspect of impacts. . Also the increased use of energy and The increased use of sanitary and potable water. a major part of Triple Five's plan and business model. increased air emissions. increased taxes created from the jobs. solid waste.18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to this. but for the region and for the state. increased traffic from patrons and employees. and transactions and the increased regional growth through increased tourism and related spending. not only for the property. Increased jobs created. It is our intention to work collaboratively with the Army Corps of Engineers. And we see the It same level of activity here at American Dream. wetlands impacts and mitigation are probably the primary area.

The bank is currently under review and is anticipated to reach approval between January and February of 2012. we have looked at five primary areas and directions to be able to affect a wetlands compensation plan that will effectively meet our needs. or preservation. restoration. and the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission.5 acres of protected wetlands impact will be addressed through mitigation banking. The 5. The second item would be to look at the Evergreen MRI 3 mitigation bank. along with the Meadowlands conservation trust to identify appropriate mitigation sites in the region.5 acres of credit related to use of that potential site.19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 other federal agencies.5 acres of disturbance. A third alternative would be to look at . We would probably seek 2. In that process. which is a three acre credit that could be available for purchase from the NJMC as a part of the process of determining how to mitigate the 5. and the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. This starts with looking to New Jersey Meadowlands Commission Secaucus High School site. with construction and planting starting in the spring.

a 40 acre parcel that Triple Five would look to purchase 5.20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the Keane Tract. maintenance and restoration of that project. our traffic . volume reductions were not considered as part of the overall plan. to have as a part of our contribution to the mitigation plan. We also looked to other areas and other parcels that will qualify for wetlands preservation and. of course. Last.5 acres. in fact. have tendered an offer on a property. This would. need to be reviewed and approved by the Meadowlands Conservation Trust. Trip mitigation. we're not prepared to disclose the location or nature of that property until that comes to a potential closing. Traffic impacts. but not least. we would also look to the possible payment of the State of New Jersey Wetland Mitigation Council Fund as part of this process. And we would fund the construction. or some portion of thereof. What that means is when we did our evaluation of traffic impacts related to the addition of these components. but feel that would also provide an opportunity to participate in the mitigation plan.

As we look at what some of those things are and how we would deal with the traffic that's being added to the site. in fact. We have a major focus at Triple And. We also look at internal trips. Five of trying to enhance the existing infrastructure operationally. but not our least area. the amusement aspects.21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 engineers found a relatively modest amount of increased traffic. behind our basic business model. So they're shared trips that occur because they're not independent trips. We're not a shopping center. but we did not discount other improvements that have been made in place. are taking them into consideration. And we'll be talking more enhancing that mass transit connection and utilization further in the presentation. as well as the retail. This is the concept. we look at mass transit as the primary area of potential benefit. so people don't just come to the center to make purchases. That's a major part of ho our visitors comes and it definitely decrease the level of trip generation related to the project. again. . they're all shared in the longer experience. They come to experience entertainment aspects.

our visitors tend to stay away during those periods and come when those activities are not occurring. a major factor related to traffic is the existence of the Bergen County blue laws. as we see in other properties. We feel are major improvements that will As well. generally. Huge improvements have been made over the past three. When those activities are occurring. Metlife Stadium improvements. Additionally. the down help assist in traffic flow. sizing of the Meadowlands Racetrack. which restrict retail activities in the center on Sundays. Bypass trips. for people driving by the facility to actually say I should go in there. It's clear we have other areas around this property that have trip generation. We also have the opportunity. And that will obviously reduce traffic on Sundays generally related to the center. New Jersey Turnpike improvements with . four years that significantly changed the original traffic evaluation that was done several years ago.22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Events day factor. so they come into the center and that takes traffic off the regional highways as they come into the center.

including improving the linkage between the existing rail station that occurs on the west side of 120 and its connection to our property. improvements related to traffic flow and management.23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 interchange 18W and that coming fully online. and other background traffic level changes. and other mass transit connections to the property. as we open the facility. this is the . another major opportunity to remove traffic from local roadways and enhance the use of existing infrastructure. The Meadowlands adapted signal system for traffic reduction. rapid bus transit. We look primarily now to improve the mass transit components. And we're not at all unfamiliar with how to deal with major traffic destination issues on our properties. transportation management is a major part of how Triple Five deals with the operations of our properties. Just to give a highlight of some of the major infrastructure here in the area. major intelligent infrastructure. Transportation improvements. Variable message signs and on-site operations to make sure that we manage traffic and traffic flow efficiently. As I said earlier.

Layering in the rail connections from Penn Station. 1. which we see again as international tourism being national tourism coming from the other parts.24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 American Dream location. The I'll . dealt with a little more briefly. Union City. And as we layer in our connections with major metropolitan airports. We've Again. Tony. Secaucus Lautenberg Station.000 jobs in construction and 17. The connections between those. in connections to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey bus terminal. from rail and the layering in of bus rapid transit. Newark International Airport and Hoboken Station. MS. KARROW: Thank you.000 jobs during the operational phases. and the Hoboken train station make major connection possibilities for mass transit improvement and connection.825 billion dollars of investment creating 19. turn it back over to the Hearing Officers. 1. being major part of our visitation.6 billion in wages generated over 20 years. Overall socio-economic impacts. 7.2 billion dollars worth of sales taxes and corporate business taxes generated over a 20 year period. That wraps up our presentation.

you may be afforded additional time for your comments or rebuttal after we've gone through the list of those who have signed up on the registration sheet. So far I have So let me three people who would like to speak. Please indicate if you know if your comments are directed to the Corps of Engineers or to the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission and New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. When you are called to present your comments. If you have written materials. I will call the persons who have indicated on the registration sheets that they wish to comment.25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 hearing is now open for comments. again remind you that all comments should be brief and directed to either the DSEIS consultative process or the Corps of Engineers permit application. Please. please come up to the podium. . give your name and its spelling to the stenographer who is recording the hearing. also give the name of your organization or any interest that you represent. please just summarize them and do not read them at length. If you are submitting written comments. please give copies to the stenographer. Please limit your comments to five minutes.

Executive Director.26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The hearing record and comment period for the Corps of Engineers will remain open until the close of business on Monday. 26 Federal Plaza. Marcia Karrow. New York District. New Jersey 08625 or to myself. 2011 for the receipt of written comments on the permit application. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection and New Jersey Meadowlands Commission will accept additional written comments on the DSEIS consultative process until the close of business on Monday. . 401 East State Street. New Jersey Meadowlands Commission. New York. PO Box 402. New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. Room 1937. Copies of the public notice with instructions. New York 10278-0090. New Jersey 07071. are available at the registration desk. Lyndhurst. One DeKorte Park Plaza. All comments should be sent to the following address so as to be received prior to close of the comment period. 2011. Director of the Office of Permit Coordination and Environmental Review. December 19th. Corps of Engineers. should you wish to provide written comments. November 28th. Regulatory Branch. They may be submitted in writing to Scott Brubaker. Trenton.

we owned the Brighton Center. commercial developer. years later. as in Sam. KARROW: Can you spell your last MR. in the early and mid-1990's. than it is 25 years later. I . SARACENO: My name is John Saraceno. I think as a developer.50 a foot. a bit less. I get it wrong. in the region with a primary and significant focus in the Meadowlands since 2005.as point of interest. we signed the So 25 lease last week that was $23.and I apologize. SARACENO: A-R-A-C-E-N-O. We have -. Our first speaker is -.we have a lease that originated in 1986. I get it right and most often. I checked today. MS. but we signed the lease -. John Saraceno. the rental rate for office space in the northern part of the state is exactly the same. this is taken off of your sign in sheets.27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 name. which is the managing member and owner of the Meadowlands Complex is which is just due west on Route 3 and 17. so sometimes. And the rent in Well. 1986 was $24 a square foot. when we purchased this asset and prior to that. in Clifton which also competes in the same market. MR. my firm is Onyx Equities. S.

it was called sports and entertainment for a reason. And it was designated a But I think when you wetlands area for a reason. there's an impact as to the wetlands that was there. and you decide whether or not the economic interest is of some important concern . And when the NJSEA created this area. Obviously. 17. the interest here is the public interest.000 construction jobs coming to this region cannot be accomplished in any other business affiliation that I could possibly think of in any of the life time's of anyone sitting in this room.000 permanent jobs and 19. So to the point previously made by the army corporation head.28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 think it's an indication of just a lack of economic drivers in the northern part of the state.and we know how that sort of played out the last couple years. We sort of peak and fall with the financial services industry in New Jersey and New York . you look at the mission of the area that you're creating the development. which was clearly created for this purpose. which was to expand the impact of sports and entertainment in the area. look at the public interest.

of it is: So I think the two pronged approach The public Is there a public interest. Retailers obviously house their employees in the retail locations. interest is clearly to introduce long term permanent jobs in a region that can serve as drivers for the introduction of additional economic drivers. it's why we created the Meadowlands arena and the Izod Center.29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with regard to it. The entertainment component. so it doesn't -. the drivers of office use are significant.you don't see a trickle down out of it. if you look at other areas in the world. This is why we created the NJSEA. now the Metlife . And I think this is a once in a generation opportunity for this area to benefit from something like this. One of the great things about this site with the water park and the entertainment component of it is that it will introduce more sticky jobs for related office properties in the region. in the United States that have it. Because we benefit from those businesses that service the American Dream that need to have office space in the area.

M-C-K-E-R-N-A-N. So Mike McKernan. Mr. So I would appreciate on behalf of our firm and generally this area that I think it's in the best interest of the Army Corps and the DEP to look upon this for what it is. McKERNAN: My name is Mike McKernan. lot of infrastructure. And I think this is a continuation of the plan and I'm glad they called it a dream. those are my comments. We ave a Well. KARROW: Saraceno. I'm the business manager of Iron . Because I don't think any one of us could think of something that's more viable for this location and can generate more positive impact than this can. MS. which is a great economic driver with some impact as to the environmental impact to the area. I don't know of another one in the country that could have the economic impact that this one could have. Thank you very much.30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Stadium. Jobs is the sort of key word that we keep hearing about every single today in every election that occurs in this country. MR. We're not introducing an entertainment center in the middle of an area that was never sort of thought to be that. but it was created for that purpose.

And on my walls. You're familiar with that story. I've had pictures that you see here on the wall. with a lot of the guys sitting out for a long period of time. here in Hackensack. the guys here that would work side by side building this great stadium right behind us. that I took off the website. My membership is 400 members. with the work outlook. And they're hanging in my hall. financially. because I believe and I hope I'm right that this is going to happen. After the first session I went back to my union office.31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Workers Local 483. Well.000 iron workers. I have a lot of . And I hesitate sometimes to tell our membership about jobs that are proposed that are coming up to give them false hope after sitting so long. But I'll tell you. I've heard for the last three sessions here. we know what we can do when we have the opportunity to do it as construction people. stories from all the other construction trades. We're in pretty much dire straights. okay. And my story is the same as theirs. mine's the same. okay. our district council is about 2. since this project came forward.

And it's a great picture. I think this project is about going forward. years ago. Not just for the construction people. when I retire.32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 pictures of the new stadium. one's working in . all that money went in my pension. the racetrack. I have a pension. and I've spent -. but for everybody in the community here. And I have a very good picture of the Izod Center. Because I could borrow that money. when it was just a skeleton. okay. of the original stadium that I got to work on as an apprentice back in '75. taken by a dock builder that we took up in the basket and suspended him over the building in the morning. And there's not much here. I could borrow some of that money and put them through college. the barns. I have two daughters that are very vital. The only thing that I could see is And And I the stadium. And about eight And it also went to my annuity. I put in eight or nine years on all these projects here. there's not much else going on here.I'm a Passaic County lifetime resident. I hope. when my daughters became college age. but I've spent half my career down here. realize that I had worked on all them projects.

33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pittsburgh in the school system. KARROW: Thank you. Or two years from now. That's what I look at what's happening here. it's going to project into the future and help the families and help all the people in the community. One runs a physical therapy down in Charlottesville and they've done very good. And the funds that will be earned here will not just bail the people out that need immediate help. And he had this very -. it's a Wonderful Life. even though we're going to have a super bowl. MS. Joanne . Thank you. if I didn't have funds available. we're going to be thinking what would have happened if we only had the courage to move forward. But I could have never attempted to put them through school as a single father. We're either going to make a choice to go forward and give birth to this project and hope to this area. but what I was thinking about was one of my favorite movies with Jimmy Stewart. And I don't want to get corny. even though we're going to have a great stadium and great facility.he could look at the future of a very bleak future if he had never been born.

34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Cimiluca. engineers. times. A commercial broker pointed out yesterday here that every time a commercial lease is signed in New Jersey. it was a tipping point for companies deciding between New York. MS. As the director of economic development. It was more than just an entertainment It was a tool to attract companies And many destination. and more get to work. I also touted the benefits of Meadowlands Xanadu to local developers and here's what resulted. and a successful one. cleaning companies. to open up shop here in the Garden State. and Pennsylvania. I'm a southern Bergen County resident who was born and raised right here in East Rutherford. Hi. A mostly . PR firms. I served as the economic development for Bergen County director. to New Jersey. New Jersey. From 2006 to 2010. architects. It was my job to attract businesses. I'm Joanne Cimiluca. I wholeheartedly became an advocate of what was then was called Meadowlands Xanadu. due to the tremendous impact it would have on our economy. large and small. CIMILUCA: C-I-M-I-L-U-C-A.

MS. Charlene Burke? Thank you. BURKE: Thank you. can only imagine this is one of many.000. pavers. To everyone at Triple Five. but you answered my question about the public comment period. There's no doubt you guys could do it. MS. 5. KARROW: You're welcome. At this . instead of Snooki? So. Thank you. I want to pose this question: Wouldn't it be nice is American Dream came up in conversation about New Jersey. I'd like to say thank you five times over. many examples. over the area. grant Triple Five the permit and let's all go skiing. a wellness center and many more because of its proximity to the project. a Panera Bread. please. a strip mall that ordinarily would never be looked by any developer or on any developer's radar's became a subject of a redevelopment plan to add a clock tower. please. you've done it successfully twice. KARROW: MS. You take this and multiple it by a And we'll see this happening all So you thousand. To the hearing officers sitting here today.35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 vacant and rundown strip mall less than two miles from here in Little Ferry.

I can't think of anything more exciting . MS. KARROW: MR. If you choose to You can the registration desk is right out front. you have five minutes.36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 time. GREGORIO: G-R-E-G-O-R-I-O.) MS. we're in recess until or unless anyone else signs up. the podium. state any institution or organization you represent. My name is Tom Gregorio. KARROW: who signed up. You got my name right. please come up to Mr. came up. otherwise I will call everybody back into order if we get any more speakers. please state your name for the record. Gregorio. (Whereupon a short recess was taken. We have another gentleman Tom Gregorio. GREGORIO: the way. MR. County. ladies and gentlemen. by And I'm the president and CEO of Born and raised in Hudson And since the old stadium Meadowlands Hospital. mark that you want to speak. New Jersey. So you're free to walk about and stay We're here in the lovely and a hang out with us. Hambletonian Room until eight o'clock. spell your last name. Thank you.

MS. it will also benefit us. and the increased traffic. at the hospital. Seeing no . See.000 during the day when people are working. and all the increased revenue associated with taxes. who swell up to 60. 16. So I really implore the committee to accept the American Dream proposal and give them the permit. selfishly. So the incremental benefits that we'll have as part of this process will also benefit Hudson County. So hospital's staff their employees to census.some of you are probably from Secaucus. KARROW: Thank you. you have a lot more people working. you know how often you hear of New Jersey being a destination place for a vacation or something to that effect? Aside from the jobs that it's going to do for the community. When you think about destinations. will benefit Secaucus. that means if you have a lot of patients in the hospital. So I can envision a lot of the those people staying around to be part of the American Dream and what's going on with the new entertainment location.000 people. which by the way is a town of -.37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 happening in the region. aside from the jobs it's going to do for the region.

SABATO: I still got it wrong.) MS. SABATO: I represent the Bergen I would I'll give you an extra County Building Trades as the president. MS. very well. S-A-B-A-T-O. MR. for the job that the hearing officers have done. MR. I think it went I appreciate the opportunity that all representatives of the council had a chance to speak. SABATO: That's all right. unless someone signs in. Rick going to go any further. I'm not You know the rules. KARROW: minute for that. I figured I would give you a second chance. MS. Thank you. (Whereupon a short recess was taken. SABATO: Sabato. very professional. like to thank you. KARROW: Our next speaker is Rick Sabatin -.m. Some say Sabato. Madame Chair. until eight p. Thank you so much. MS. sorry. KARROW: MR. KARROW: MR. once again we stand in recess.38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 others at this time. And I'd like to .Sabato.

We'll be for approximately another 42 minutes. sight of what this is all about. forget why we're here. Also. But let's not It's because of the 5. (Whereupon a short recess was taken. KARROW: Thank you. And thank God we're going to be partnering up with them as this project moves forward. And I will give the commitment that the Building Trades Council will do everything in its power to get this job over the finish line. the family of Triple Five. we've met with them a few times and every time we meet with them. Sabato. Once again. it is . we're in recess unless somebody else signs up.) MS. So let's not lose Thank you.000 unemployed workers that are in our council. Mr. I wanted to thank all the members of the building trades that have taken their time out and being with their families. Tonight. they're wonderful people. MS.39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 thank Triple Five. KARROW: Ladies and gentlemen. they're probably thinking about how they're going to pay their morgue or feed their family or clothe their kids. Briefly.

m.) . Unless somebody wants to talk? Good night.40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 now eight p. and the hearings are now officially closed.. (Whereupon the hearing was concluded. No? Good.

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