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Hey Vipul, After you learn the 'A-B-C's of driving, I suggest that you practise, at your own pace, the

following: 1. Up and down a steep slope, in forward gear, then in reverse gear; 2. Experience how 1st and 2nd gear 'engine braking' works in steep slopes; 3. Learn to make a perfect '8'; 4. Choose a parking slot and reverse *exactly* into the middle of the slot *without* turning back. That is, using your rear-view mirror and both wing mirrors *only*. When you master this technique, your peripheral vision automatically gets honed and you will have fewer dents/ scratches/ accidents on account of you; 5. Repeat #4 at night, in a dimly lit street; 6. Repeat #4 & #5 on a steep slope; 7. Learn 'tight' parallel (kerb-side) and angular parking to perfection, once again, using only your wing and rear-view mirrors; 8. Learn to drive in *any* traffic situation *without* honking; 9. Take your car through very crowded, very narrow market places without honking; 10. Finally, never be afraid of getting a few minor scratches and dents - consider the cost of repair as your learning cost. The more deeply you feel hurt when your car gets 'hurt', the better driver you'll turn out to be!
Essentially here is what i thought new drivers should learn first *) Clutch Control - how best to teach this? *) Steering control *) Braking. *) Guaging the car what else? Any tips on how to teach someone to drive?

Hi Wishboneash, Firstly, welcome to the forum. Now as regards to teaching your wife, the most important thing is not to yell as you did so. Just let her drive. Tell her that she has to mantain safe distance from the front car. Do not allow her to cut lanes EVER. Teach her about steady driving, like driving at 45 - 50 in 5th gear without pressing the clutch. Try and get her to follow a cyclist at safe distance in a particular gear for sometime without knocking the vehicle. Slow & steady driving is the most difficult to master. Steering Control : Take her on winding road and make her drive on the left most lane, near the shoulder. Ask her to keep a foot distance from the shoulder, no more, no less. Teach her to keep one eye on the shoulded lane always. Will help her in night driving as well and will teach her to avoid taking the glare of oncoming traffic.

Show her that if one drives slower than the traffic.2 while releasing the clutch. as it will unbalance your car..4. 5 correspoding to start of release and 2 corresponding to complete release.. I believe women are steady drivers and they generally always get a better Fuel Efficiency than their male counterparts. remind her of it.4.3.2 2nd to 3rd --5. and pumping brakes. dont push her into starting quickly like everyone else outside. half the battle is one. The main rule while driving is "When you are not sure. but drive STEADILY along with the traffic.3 3rd to 4th --5.. Guaging the car will only come from experience of driving it.3.Clutch Control: If she can follow a biker in first gear for some time without knocking. Braking: If she ever brakes without looking at the rear view mirror. how the cars around cut you left right and center and scare the hell out of you which makes you drive only slower. Guaging the Car: While turning the car. left right or U turn. Change gear SLOWLY.. And NEVER EVER do this suddenly in the middle of a corner. Emphasize on SLOW. at . But if you are up with their speed. she will drive very well and LOVE you more for it too. If you will be patient. This count changes based on the gear she is changing from 1st to 2nd --5. release clutch SLOWLY. traffic around you suddenly feels normal. That is the most important aspect of breaking for a learner... If she stalls in the middle of the road. Make sure she counts 5. you just dont do it".. Then as she gets more experience you can teach her the benifits of breaking using the gears.. Most new drivers I have noticed who have not graduated from Fiat/Amby days release the clutch very quickly while changing gears thus giving a jerk.4.4 4th to 5th --5 Set the interval between these counts based on your vehicle's clutch setting and response. so let her drive most of the time. Cheers!!! Burjis Thats a BIG no-no!! Never press the clutch pedal down while cornering and/or going downhill. always turn the steering wheel after the driver has crossed the corner object from where you are turning. just be relaxed and help her get out of the situation by re-iterating the rules discussed..

. Say you are at 50km/h in 5th gear and u need to break.. which could do some damage to the gearbox as well. without leaving the clutch. Just make sure that you dont downshift to too low a gear that will cause the engine to revv too high which can be bad. keeping them cooler and making them last longer. but then i still keep my foot on the brakes through the corner without actually applying any pressure. (as our friend SG says. you will get much better braking and put a lot less strain on your brakes. As far as shifting down while decelerating. once you are turning in. as rtech says Always finish you gear changes and braking before the corner. as described above. and at worst. Yes. because in traffic it is quite common to come to a sudden stop in the middle of a corner... braking late and matching the revs perfectly.. better than staying in gear while braking is downshifting before braking.sorry) ) Also. This is the best way. Remember this rule: Always finish you gear changes and braking before the corner. he goes from 6th to 5th to 4th to 3th to 2nd to 1st then nuttral (inside joke . Once you become good at this. you most definately can apply the brakes without pressing the clutch. Quote: Originally Posted by [b Quote[/b] ]I'm also aware that you can apply brakes without using the clutch and use gears for in breaking faster. I guggest you start with the basics first. its just a great feeling to downshift into a corner. and keep a constant throttle through the corner.. that is one way of doing it. This same principle holds true while climbing steep hills/inclines as well. but personally i finish the braking before the corner in normal me goosebumps just talking about it! f you brake while in gear. so this reduces reaction time. you can brake and downshift to 3rd gear at that speed with ease. this is esstential once you start driving faster. . its best to blip the throttle to match the revvs when shifting down.etc etc..suddenly.. the only action should be with the steering wheel and a constant throttle. to do this without causing excesive driveline lash. you can take 'em much faster! Plus. causing the least disturbance to your car while its in motion. you will instantly feel the different in taking making for a jerky ride. cause you to spin. Instead you can keep downshifting while braking. What you need to do is engage the correct gear and the correct speed at which you can take a corner BEFORE you enter the corner. However. or to stop for pedestrians who could not see you approaching from around the corner. and then move onto this. However.

Engine braking (using the gearbox and engine for breaking) is not considered bad at all.. I'd brake till almost the 5th gear's bottom i. When i'm doing 100kmph and i need to brake &amp. Are you talking about A/T or M/T. so I guess u can always stop from that speed without engine braking.... And say if u brake too hard. Remember. Lets say we have 4 main rotating parts ... For normal sedate driving. Regards. (then u can do a lot more damage) Best Approach : when speed goes below the limit of the gear either shift to lower gear (if u'll still be rolling) or press the clutch (if u have to completely stop) lower limit is normally 30-35km/h (of the highest gear). m&quot.. more the engine braking. but it extends the life of your brakepads by 6k-kms and decreases your stopping distance which is priceless as an extra 2meters of braking distance can make the difference between life or death. I shift into 3rd. (all the above &quot... 30-40km/h then press the clutch and stop. and maybe you have to replace your clutch at 67kkm instead of 70k-km. i wouldn't really need to engine brake. I don't remember the clutch then. and have to brake to almost stop (not talking about emergency braking). u lock your wheels (or maybe slow them down to 2km/h)... slow down then 2nd slow down and then finally 1st and keep the clutch pressed when the car stops. as that'll do more damage to engine than any good to the brake pads. Shan2nuLet me just say once again i am going to simplfy all the processes so the concept can be clearly understood. figures being very rough estimates) 1 point though. I have never got time to press the clutch.. Well in Emergency braking.. Engine braking is used when you need to brake from high speeds within a small distance....... and if u r in a gear then the engine stalls. I won't ever go below the 1000rpm mark in the gear . Coz in M/T you can manually shift down to 1st provided you don't over revv it..e. sure maybe it reduces the life of your gearbox by a couple of k-kms. higher the revs. say I am going at 100km/h in the 5th. its a reflex braking and.. It always helps to know upto what speed each gear goes. But never ever over rev your engine.

so you are doing the same 1st to 2nd upshift using dblcltching. When u select a gear all you are doing is moving this "part" around. allowing it to make contact with different gears of different sizes.Input axle to gear box (between clutch and gearbox) 3 ... and THEN RELEASE THE CLUTCH (this completes 1 "clutching"). (where the engine will only be revving at 2. you press the clutch and almost simultaneously release the accelerator. You are in 1st gear. and then continue to push it into second.. hence giving different gear is like a mini-clutch or think of it as a "Cushion" on the gear that basically gets the moveable peice spinning at the same speed so that when you push into 2nd gear it slides in without any problem. now the engine is spinning at 2.Output axle from gearbox 4 .500rpm which is similar to what is will be revving at in 2nd gear at this speed (u are controlling engine revs).1 . Shift the gearstick into Neutral.the actual gear selector cog(s) (this is the simplified part). the engine is at 5.Clutch 2 .500Rpm) (Now the part that u are shifting in the gearbox was spinning really fast when u were in first and is still freewheeling very fast in neutral. This is a diagram (just try and realize that the opening on the TOP where the gearlever is connected is connected to a lever in the gearbox that moves around the "moving part" Lets do a hypothetical upshift from 1st to 2nd without doubleclutching (in a car with a syncromeshed gearbox -ie any car in the last 10++ years) You are in 1st gear.(remember u want to double clutch when there are no syncros) ok. Shift the gearstick into Neutral. the engine is at 5.000Rpm. so when u are pushing into 2nd this is where a syncro comes in. . Hope that was clear! If you got that it should be quite simple to understand double clutching now .000Rpm. By releasing the clutch and having stepped off the accelerator. you press the clutch and almost simultaneously release the accelerator..

.you just double clutched..there..500Rpm....this seems to be a great one.. your one leg is almost all the times on the clutch pedal even in first gear. use the appropriate gear to drive in and never ride your clutch.. .) except sometimes when u are going a bit fast in 2nd and u try and put the car in 1st and it doesnt slot in (i assume u guys know what i am talking abt?) then u just leave it in neutral. And thus half or full pressing it based on the speed.the brakes will get heated up and cud lose their efficiency. like say if u r approaching a toll booth at 100-120kph . Gearbox's are truly amazing peices of engineering! just try in your mind to create the clutch and it slots straight into 1st!..u can lift off the throttle and then shift to 4th from 5th.... then PRESS THE CLUTCH AGAIN (2nd clutching) and continue to push it into the after sometime .... But in a very slow moving this way u can warn others behind u of ur intentions ..Since the clutch is not pressed and the car is in neutral the "moveable peice" spins at a speed relative to that of the engine. Rehaan.revv the engine. irst of all trying to slow down from 100kph only using ur brakes is a not such a great idea...and they have some awesomely helpful flash animations to explain things. So I feel then it is better to drive in second with only controlling the clutch.and at the same time pump ur will learn a lot... use the clutch pedal only to change gears..... which may cause a bit more wear n tear(which may be negligible.Howstuffworks "How Manual Transmissions Work" check out the whole this way u can use engine braking and not lose control also .so u cud use engine braking if its not an emergency stop.. (where the engine will only be revving at 2.. the only other time that you may use the clutch is sither during half clutch on slopes or when you start from dead stop. because u never know when u have to apply the brakes..double clutching in modern cars is just a waste of time (i cant think of a reason to.but it is complicated...even if you aldready know how they work and its still incredibly tough! cheers...and then when the rpm falls below 2500-2000 maybe u can downshift to the next lower find a good site with pics and. I guess in this scenario the syncros were just having a hard time bringing the "moving peice" up to speed?? Im sorry i didnt explain the way the gearbox works in any detail.. which is the speed that the "moveable peice" is aldready spinning at! Thats basically the basics of it! As you can now see.) but u can drive more comfortabllly and at the same time save fuel.wait.

effectively screwing up the ignition timing. now for when to change gears so that the engine does not stall.but if its an emergency stop then u have to brake .then maybe u have to change to a lower 3rd or 2nd gear to accelerate. before starting I gave her two theory classes on the board at home explaining how the engine power is transferred to wheels and why it is important to change gears. Happy Teaching P. Always remember who is the Boss while teaching! LOL . Then made her do lot of dry runs of changing gears and presseing the correct pedals.[b]when u dont want to accelerate u can shift from 5 th to maybe 3rd or 4th and wait till the engine is about to stall i. the engine RPM can not increase proportional to the throttle position. Well A familiar problem!! When I taught my wife driving I tanked up and told her that I will teach only for one week or till the full tank of fuel finishes .. Subsequently she improved her skills by driving for small didtances regularly and now she confidently drives on hill roads. (Common mistake by learners is to press accelerator when in panic . the car and the others on the road will be safe when required. (With lesser load. but if u want to gain speed and u have shifted from 5th to 4th . It is important that the lady in question drives regularly to keep her confidence levels up and hone her skill. Whichever comes first!!! She learnt in 5 days. My shouting while the car was stationary got her used to my shouting in the car while teaching and helped her overcome the sudden panic one feels. They are more interested in functionality than tech babble. One has to shift to lower gear to accelerate in this case or. Also told her about momentum and the correlation of speed. do what most truck drivers do. Initiallly she did not want to change gears.S. instead of brake). Even if you try to accelerate in lower gear. at passing acquaintainces who used to go on evening walks on the same road. Otherwise generally females as a gender like to avoid any technically sounding activity. This will result in fuel rich mixture supplied to the engine. Hit the clutch and disengage engine. Like this we went on fighting and cursing each others. then I started with her in an open ground. helped her in initial pick up and let her drive around subsequently whichever way she felt fit. It will be able to accelerate again. but from second day onwards i insisted on changing gears. It helped that she was interested. engage it. It also made me confident that at least she. By fifth day she was driving on her own. For most of them the car is a means to get from place A to B and if it can be done withput changing any gear then why bother with such stupid things as X RPM for Ist gear and such like. Hope this helps. most important being the Brake pedal. momentum and gears.e when the rpm is abt 1000 but the car is rolling due to inertia.. I told her to keep looking staright and press brake pedal whenever I shouted brake while the car was stationary. She also should have some motive to drive. Reason being that the engine does not provide enough torque at wheels in 4/5 gear. I also told her to initially use a lot of horn so that at least others know that an unguided missile is approaching them and take evasive action. it might be able to pull through). let the engine gain higher RPM. and then shift to the appropriate gear.. but smiling briefly to hide the storm brewing inside the car(of the verbal kind) .

slot into first gear and slowly release clutch – at one point the car starts forward .read somewhere . Now my worry is . I have to rev more before fully releasing clutch. I feel this is more sensible.slot into neutral.I mean car moves without any accelerator push at all). shift to 1st gear and slowly coast along with clutch released and no pumping on gas pedal. Well. I think it is good to engine and clutch .am still learning you see). I may not do that. most of the time I end up doing it abruptly or very delayed and end result is a stall with a jerk. will revving engine while clutch is still engaged cause clutch wear.) At driving school. So. I think its ok because . c.holding clutch fully down while engine/vehicle is running. car just jerks and stalls(if clutch release is not smooth. Pedal fully 3-4 times(to clear any gasoline in cylinder. using clutch is needed if vehicle is in gear only.)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Cold start/normal start: Check for neutral. I will depress clutch fully and then when say like about 1/10 of clutch is yet to be released I push accl pedal. some times it works but if incline is more steeper.Hi. clutch need to be released only when movement is too slow. Only when some force is needed I will push accl/gas pedal. personally I think this causes more clutch wear.But user manual reads that while releasing clutch . then release clutch fully and car continues to move(works on any near flat surface. then car starts smoothly forward.3 times to maintain the idling. so are such frequent jerking and staling because of insufficient engine speed harmful to either clutch/engine?? Ofcourse once am some weeks experienced. when the road is potholed or at speed breakers. After idling for 2-3 minutes. but just want to know. is it bad??)(I mean is it a must that engine should be revving to change gear?) Of course . I need some suggestions/clarifications to learn a good (read better) habit. in long run will such engine breaking . when you hear a change in engine sound . many times while doing this kind of slow clutch release . doesn’t it? d. So . b. This is how I start the vehicle: a.)Now. Have been going to driving classes and simultenously practicing it on my 800. Then start the engine with one fine and quick turn of key(1-3secs). but some times (when in neutral) I do start without using clutch.) also when going down a steep incline i almost always use engine breaking ( i use 1st or 2nd gear as the case may be) and only if neccesary i will use foot brake. it is then that I face problem. am I right? d. But practically this kind of hearing to engine is very difficult to me . give some accltr push to keep it running smooth.) in similar situations what I do is. these days I am just allowing it to roll without accl at all and then after a few meters.if needed I will accelerate or else if it’s a incline down then slotting into 2nd and releasing clutch slowly will keep the vehicle moving in 2nd. is not it? Though coasting in first gear may mean more fuel consumption. if it is an incline up.) the user manual suggests that engine should be started with clutch fully depressed. pull and release choke( mine is a carb 800) knob 2. they instruct to depress clutch fully and coast in 2nd gear .( many times I had moved into 2nd gear without accelerating at all. if geared . Depress acc. is it not so? e. may not make sense for cold start but I still do it).

) in similar situations what I do is.Yes.[/quote] Answers to your queries: b.use the clutch only when needed viz. I think it is good to engine and clutch .to prevent engine from stalling in gear. I feel this is more sensible.even with gear in neutral. So . I think its ok because . some times it works but if incline is more steeper.s have searched in this section and found some threads on identifying clutch wear but couldnot figure exact answers to my worries-so has to post a new thread.) also when going down a steep incline i almost always use engine breaking ( i use 1st or 2nd gear as the case may be) and only if neccesary i will use foot brake. they instruct to depress clutch fully and coast in 2nd gear .)Now. Now my worry is . p.handbrake on and clutch depressed. it is then that I face problem.) At driving school. No c.Control acceleration and use clutch only when speed goes down quite low(so low that the vehicle might stall).. Well. if it is an incline up.holding clutch fully down while engine/vehicle is running. shift to 1st gear and slowly coast along with clutch released and no pumping on gas pedal. I will depress clutch fully and then when say like about 1/10 of clutch is yet to be released I push accl pedal. pardon me and post the link please. The load on the engine is least if you depress the clutch. in long run will such engine breaking ruin the engine/gear box?( see they will be strained to hold back the vehicle ) So. personally I think this causes more clutch wear. doesn’t it? d. is not it? Though coasting in first gear may mean more fuel consumption. but some times (when in neutral) I do start without using clutch. f. am I right? f. I have to rev more before fully releasing clutch. please advice me regarding my questions / errors . clutch need to be released only when movement is too damage to engine or gear box To sum up.correct e.) the user manual suggests that engine should be started with clutch fully depressed. will revving engine while clutch is still engaged cause clutch change gears. Only when some force is needed I will push accl/gas pedal.Good practice.clutch would wear out if the clutch is depressed with engine running d. is the information is already available in some other thread. using clutch is needed if vehicle is in gear only. when the road is potholed or at speed breakers.So a cold start is always recommended with gear in neutral.ruin the engine/gear box?( see they will be strained to hold back the vehicle ) b.Whenever you have to slow down. c. is it not so? e.decelerate and shift to lower gears gradually(use the engine .

do not take too long to release the clutch. Releasing cautiously and slowly might not be the best thing. for some time. the neighbors Indica moves up the slope without any acceleration. But to move up the slope I have to give acceleration.power to brake) and then brake as necessary. when the clutch is releases (without any acceleration given) is dependent on the power (torque) of the vehicle and how much of it is required to move from its current position. Try to get the foot completely off the clutch and the vehicle moving at the earliest. my house parking come out to a sloped road. Example being. he movement of the vehicle. since the situation is similar to riding clutch. at the idling RPM. the engine must be able to pull itself. . I can get my Alto out to the road (from the parking spot) without acceleration. But on up-slopes. up that slope. Would suggest all not to experiment with this. most vehicles will move without acceleration given. Whereas. This is where diesel engines will perform better than petrol ones. On level ground.Ask for more tips if required. Happy Driving.