Every Other Week Squatting and Deadlifting John Sanchez (a.k.a. Mr.

Bigbutt) Sanchez’ Rationale for Infrequent Training… Do not perform a squat workout on one day and a deadlift workout on another day during the same week. Read this again. It is not a typo. This is the one thing that will save your adrenal glands, regain your manhood, and earn you some semblance of respect on the platform. Squat one week and do deads the next. Continue to alternate. Once every 14 days is all most (natural) people need for good gains with either lift. If you're juicing, try staggering your squat and dead workouts every 5 days instead of every 7. This will mean you squat and deadlift only once every 10 days. Do not yield to the temptation of throwing in a few "light" squats on your deadlift day. Do deadlifts only! This approach will preserve your knees for many more years to come. Likewise, do not perform extra "pulling" movements on your squat day. Keep your workouts simple and to the point. Eliminate any excess baggage. The only assistance I recommend is heavy hamstring work. Training only 2 days per week doesn't diminish the quality or frequency of your muscle growth stimulus. You are still hitting all pertinent muscle groups involved in the powerlifts once every seven days. If that seems like too long an interval for you, I suggest going to a once every 5 or 6 day routine. Even once every 4 days would work better than the popular twice every 7 days approach that most people adopt. Most conventional routines will have you squat, bench, and deadlift heavy once per week. With this approach you are working lower body heavy (squat/dead) twice in a 7-day period, although most you will usually only bench heavy and then go lighter the second time around. With the twice every 7 day approach that some people use, the most significant shortcoming is impaired progress on the squat and dead due to incomplete muscular recovery. 72-96 hours is not always enough recovery time for lifters, especially non-druggies. Both of these lifts have many prime movers in common, yet a lot of people will give one lift 96 hours of recovery while the other only gets 72. Why not throw an extra day in there and give both lower body movements an equal 96 hours? I actually developed this approach years ago when I was competing and quickly realized how much better I performed. I then got even braver and tried going from once every 4 days to once every 5. This approach worked even better for me. Today, I go once every 7 because all of my steroid-dealing cronies are either dead, in jail, or born again naturals. Note: Sanchez was a 1980s powerlifter. He deadlifted 775 @ 220 back in 1985 “juiced to the gills” (his own words). He claims to currently be capable of a 700 raw pull “any day of the week” (again, his own words). He is retired and also says he is drug free since 1988. He deadlifts twice a month on alternating Saturdays. Sanchez on cycling… I train heavy 90% of the time. Lately, that means the top set is a heavy triple, occasionally 4-5 but only with deads. If I get a triple with my target weight, I'll bump it up 20 the next time I DL and go for 2. I'll

then stick with the weight until I can get a solid triple. This may take 2-3 workouts. Figure on 26 deadlift workouts per year. If I add 20 pounds every 3 workouts that adds up to at least 160 pounds improvement. Of course, there's no way in hell I'm going to improve like clockwork every 3 workouts to the tune of 20 pounds each time! Hell, I couldn't even do that on the juice! Here’s the reality. Whenever I go stale, I reduce the poundage considerably and cycle back up 20 pounds per workout until I'm once again hitting PR’s. I have improved 100 pounds in a year like this, but I was also gaining weight - A BIG HELP. I wouldn't cycle for a meet while using any pre-conceived time frames or peaking rep-set schemes. When healthy, I'm always within a few workouts of a true max single. 90% simply means, "training to near max failure every workout.” Whether one does singles, doubles, triples, etc. doesn't matter. My top sets in nearly every workout are gut-busters. This is obviously pretty tough on one’s recovery and helps explain why I keep my workouts short, simple, and infrequent. It also explains why I reduce poundage considerably whenever I go "stale" and need a break from this type of routine. Having trained for over 22 years now, I've got a pretty good sense of my body's limitations. This random approach to one’s training poundage (in contrast to a systematic cycling approach) is purely instinctive, and not really appropriate for inexperienced lifters. Newer lifters would probably be better off cycling poundage in the more traditional style. Sanchez’s Workout… SATURDAYS: (alternating each week) Workout A: Squat Leg curls (2 legged) Calves Abs Workout B: Deadlift (always come to a COMPLETE STOP between reps) Leg Curls (1 legged) Calves Abs SUNDAYS: (alternating each week) Workout A: Flat Bench T-Bars (wide grip) Dumbbell Laterals (1 armed) Chins (wide grip) DB Presses DB Curls Workout B: Incline Bench T-Bars (narrow grip) Dumbbell Laterals (2 armed)

I always pyramided my warm-ups. I always went to total concentric failure on my top sets. In the old days. I don't recommend anything in terms of auxiliary back work where you are taxing the low back. (I've been in this mode now for the past 12 years. with higher reps instead of singles or doubles. until I felt burned out or got injured. maybe two. This could go on for several weeks or several months. then hit one. This would preclude the use of low cable rows. Over time I did less and less assistance work. stiff-legged deads. the longer I would continually push my limits. I didn't cycle my lifts by starting light after a meet.) 5.just a personal preference. Other Elements of the Workout… I forgot to mention some other specifics about my long ago training. surgs are okay for tarps. I do dumbbell work strictly for the tarp-delt area .. In the old days I would do leg extensions but only for looks. It's your mid tarps and rhomboids you want stronger for a nice deadlift finish. Don't fool yourself into thinking that surgs will help a weak DL lockout. but these sets would be max effort to failure. cooldown. top work sets. Today. Chins are an ideal lat exercise for this very reason. T-bars are better. unsupported t-bars. The most important thing to remember when working out is that LESS IS MORE. etc. I can hit my tarps and the delts with the laterals. or any other lifting permutations. 4. I did little more than leg curls and calf work to supplement my deads and squats. T-Bar rows are done on one of those machines where your back is supported. however. I avoid them completely. or pump-up sets. I have always used a moderate stance squat. as I easily overtrain my back. If I HAD to recommend any single leg exercise for a sumo deadlift. I can squat just as well now as I ever did without all that extra shit. partials. Never did back-off.Chins (narrow grip) JM Presses BB Curls Notice the complete absence of supplemental quad work. I didn't use them much. Didn't worry about eccentrics. Extra upper body stuff included mainly chins. Fronts hit my upper back like no other exercise and of course develop the quads much more than regular power squats. . I would just pick up where I last left off (sans equipment). At this point I would back off somewhat and give myself a few weeks to rest with relatively easy weights. The farther off the meet. but I prefer compound movements. 2. 3. some of which may relate strongly to the so-called "HIT" method of powerlifting. pauses. it would be the FRONT SQUAT. I feel like your erectors get PLENTY of work from plain old squats and deads. I would do them right after deads and would work up to 500+.. Towards the end (1987 – ‘88. bent over rows. 1.

it takes me an hour alone just to wipe my ass off between sets (weak sphincters). and throw in a healthy amount of assistance work for good measure. I am always being facetious when talking about steroids. I wouldn't encourage my worst enemy to take them. Tendons need good electrolyte levels to keep from cramping up and avulsing from bony attachments during max efforts. 8. This routine lasted about a year after which I entered my first meet in 1981 at 198 and went mid 1600s.. The wraps were something they used back in the early 80's and gave me around 50 or so on the squat. but spread it out over the 10-day framework. After meeting James Cash in 1980. my workouts rarely used to take more than an hour. I started out in 1977 as a bodybuilding wannabe and employed a Weideresque "bomb and blitz" routine that would have done Arnold proud. I didn't change up my assistance work much. from it. I changed my routine after this and experimented with an 8-day. especially if their electrolyte levels get fucked up. from that for both lifts. I used to hate gear. 10. . Cash was not an innovator by any means. I lifted with just a belt. but I hadn't yet discovered the joys of ANABOLICS and quickly became overtrained. I used a very early type Inzer shirt in my last couple of meets and got maybe 20 lbs. but I favored 5's during the off-season. I figured out that (for me at least) training a lot LESS yielded much MORE in terms of results.. I not only had to cycle my drugs in the old days. I learned how to train like a powerlifter from one of the best and quickly adapted my approach. This is also the main reason why I was so injury-prone. liver enzymes. They are the stuff of illusions! I used them for 8-1/2 years. Today. So now. then a 10-day framework around which to schedule my workouts. choosing to alternate the flat bench with incline every 5th day. and tender kidneys. it’s definitely not worth it. This meant I only squatted and deadlifted 3 times per month. I would gear up maybe a month or two prior to a meet. It happens to most druggies eventually. Drugs drugs drugs! Eight and a half years of hypertension. I settled upon a routine like this: Every 5th day I would either squat or deadlift.dips. I got maybe another 25 lbs. Development of the Program… Back in the days when my lifts truly mattered (1980 – ‘8 . elevated LDLs. and rows. My own powerlifting schedule initially employed the common 7 day framework that most lifters still adhere to: squat and deadlift once a week. but I had to BUDGET for them as well. but employed a standard overload progression that a lot of guys found useful back in the late 70's and early 80's. Ultimately. The shitty thing about juicing is the "ball and chain" relationship you'll always have with your dealer. I had an old Elite suit that I used both to squat and deadlift. Typically. and all for about a 10% advantage. I did the same with my bench.. I did resort to doubles and singles as a meet approached. bench twice a week. In retrospect. 7. 6. In keeping with the short and brief concept that is common to HIT. Initially. 9. Most of the time. My gear was mostly worn out hand-me down junk from James Cash. I was usually in the gym 4-5 days each week. plus the constant need to cycle your lifts up and down like a yo-yo when your strength levels change from cleaning out.

I ate only albacore solid white tuna in spring water (virtually fat free). look at the difference.. My next meet was just 5 months after the first and saw another 75 lbs. I've got nothing against the stuff. HDL to total Cholesterol ratio was up from 2. Injuries continued to plague me. with no other changes. . Fats from saltwater fish are rich in omega-3s and have many positive benefits. including cardiovascular protection due to different prostaglandins. This was back in 1982 at around 210-lbs.it was working great for me for several weeks. I was training 4-5 out of 10. and protection against the stress of overtraining. including my first 700 squat and deadlift.9 (3/4s risk). I took a hiatus from serious training for a few years after this due to several injuries but returned to competition in 1985 at my first Texas meet. UNTIL the day I avulsed my semimembranosus hamstring with 635. I was very pleased with the strength gains I'd experienced. in subsequent meets. as did bomb-outs. my 3rd meet. I went elite in this. Lots of omega-3s and 70+ grams of protein per 15-ounce serving.. try chum salmon (cheaper from the can). Had I not been using creatine. at age 43.. were in full extension and I was essentially stiff-legging the damn weight up with the bar at knee level . on my total. I'd gained over 10 pounds bodyweight with 15 grams per day. Lots more rest and recuperation = nice gains. If you can stomach it. lowering of cholesterol. Take one good multivitamin/mineral supplement.4 (less than 1/2 risk) to 2. Sanchez on nutrition… Eat 250 grams per day of quality protein. I carefully maintained the other components of my diet. I once switched off my customary diet of daily canned mackerel (full of omega-3 rich fats and protein) for a period of one month. I also hit a 755 (missed 777) squat and just missed 804 in the dead. and my swan song was in 1988. Today. Total cholesterol before switching: 125 Total cholesterol 30 days after switching: 176 More importantly. Ha ha. the strength of my hamstring contractions would not have exceeded the tensile strength in their tendinous attachments. Though I had reduced my daily fat intake nearly 20 grams per day. In addition. Q: How can one watch their fat composition eating 250 grams of protein a day? A: Fat is not the enemy. and glucosamine HCL for the cartilage. where I finally put together a total at 242 and went elite in that class as well. however. Instead. Sanchez on creatine… Actually. To illustrate the power of omega 3 fatty acids. There are good and bad fats. I was not dehydrated at the time. I am living in a nursing home and can barely walk.instead of training in the gym 4-5 days out of 7. bodyweight.. My legs.big mistake. lots of vitamin C (work up to several grams). I squatted 711 (missed 750) and pulled 775 at 217 bodyweight.

. but I disagree. or lasix..... plus you won't trash your erectors in the process.. might have some people convinced its a good supplementary exercise... FORGET THE CARDIOVASCULAR COMPLICATIONS! ... This was many years ago and was .... Sanchez on Weight Gain… Gluttony is the last refuge of the defeated. I remember reading how Bruce Randall bulked up to 400 lbs.. The notion of enhancing a weak start off the floor with SLDLs is probably wishful thinking. Consider a good cal-mag supplement and/or potassium gluconate tab..... He was considered something of an oddball... Ed Coan's SLDLs with 700 lbs.....) But seriously.The semimembranosus tendon would therefore have not avulsed and I would simply have stood there with the bar not moving (like has happened many times before in training when one gets "stuck").. That shit has the potential to throw off your electrolyte balances...... until I decided enough was enough and set the bar down.. As for hamstring stimulation from SLDLs........... (but could only squat around 750)..... Tim has never pulled any punches when it comes to discussing his use of "supplements".. too. plus building up your quads..... Sanchez on GMs and SLDLs… This current fascination among powerlifters with good-mornings and SLDL's is a mystery to me...... the People's Champ mentioned how furosemide. helped him lose several pounds before his last meet. if you ain't shit at 242. Extra girth around the middle helps your squat and bench! You're young............ of perfectly good fat. If you're actually experiencing muscle cramps in your low back then maybe creatine is to blame. I've been living in Austin since the early 80's and still remember how blown away I was when the inimitable one went before local TV cameras for an evening news segment and showed everyone how to load up a syringe with testosterone.... I tend not to do ANY low back work aside from REGULAR squatting and deadlifting... and a whopping 1200+ @ 390..... BW back in the early 60's and was doing good-mornings with 600 lbs. America title.. As long as I can remember......... why not try 275 or 308? You CAN'T HELP BUT GET STRONGER! His sacredness PAUL ANDERSON squatted only around 675 @ 275. Although I've never met the guy.. especially with front squats... you'll get plenty from just the regular deads.... In other words. The Sorid (Sordid?) Past of JPS Recently. Of course. however. Hamstring work is always on one of them pretty leg curl machines... (What a waste of 205 lbs... Some people may feel that the spinal erectors need tons of supplemental work in order to progress ones squat/dead......... especially when you consider that he later reduced down to 195 to win the Mr.... You'd be better off doing DLs off a block.

but consider how different the 80's were when compared to the here and now. I remember a conversation I had many years ago with a former training partner of Dave Draper who recalls just how easy it was to get D-bol back then. His catalog was several pages long. America Pete Grymkowski. Any member that wanted some could simply help himself. During the 80's. This was during the 80's. and he had a minimum order of 200 bucks. I actually met the guy in 1979 at a 7-11 in Vegas. no counterfeits. drug use was demonized. presumably (snicker). even stuff like thiomucase. and reasonable prices. steroid use had become firmly entrenched in the big city gyms. but its growing popularity was now tempered with tons of negative press. Until Pete Grymkowsky. that is. but their first serious use started in York circa 1959. Today. anabolics. after meeting some college powerlifters at Kansas State. I didn't make much of a secret about my drug use. here was a guy who didn't hesitate to let everybody know where he was coming from. drug use is . Anyone wanting information on how to find or use anabolics wouldn't find it in the popular press. long before they made anabolics a controlled substance. either. But that's another. Chief among its detractors were notables like Peary Rader (of Ironman fame) and top bodybuilder Chet Yorton. most of the lifters I knew tried to keep their drug use a secret for another reason: credibility. as had Mr. which was that "only the top pro's should even think about using steroids. Steroids go back way before the 60's. This may seem bogus to many. He was 240 at 5' 10" and cut. so people weren't quite as uptight about getting caught in possession as they are today. Bear with me now while I relate a little history.actually background fodder for another story which concerned his fight with the city over Josie the tiger. Pete retired a few years later and turned into a scarecrow. You could get anything from thyroid to HCG to STH to any number of different anti-estrogens. As for me. and as is typical in this day of liberal moral relativism. While the rest of us only whispered about our drug use. He was particularly renowned back then for his broad shoulders. Actually. Which brings me back to the point about drug users in my day worrying about their credibility with the public. As for Weider. Grymkowsky was very up front about how and what he used during contest prep. They were getting their stash from a guy in Louisiana who had a nationwide mail order operation going. adrenalin. as opposed to the 90's and today. etc. it is an accepted part of sports culture. you had to admire his chutzpah. It was the time of plenty. A lifter named Bill March hooked up with the infamous Doc Zeigler and D-bol found its first genuine athletic guinea pig. D-bol use spread like wildfire and was well known to the top guns by the mid 60's. My own use started in 1980. By the time I entered the iron game during the 70's. Even if you didn't agree with his stance on supplements. They were too embarrassed to admit they indulged in anabolic use because they felt it diminished their accomplishments in the gym. He said that in their LA gym the owner kept a mason jar overflowing with the little blue demons up on the counter. he echoed the popular sentiment of the day. typical ex-steroid user story. and then only under a doctor's supervision". I remember reading his candid "drug confessionals" in Weider's Muscle Builder mag during the late 70's.

It would be only a matter of time before the USPF itself started testing at the behest of its world affiliate at the time. and Ernie's APF was promising there'd be none of that.. my training partner at the time and 220 lb Seniors champ got his. The pharmacists never blinked. Drug testing at the USPF Seniors didn't actually start until later (1986) and that's what kick-started another break away organization. where getting them was no big deal if you knew a laid back pharmacist or doctor.. In fact. the IPF. the APF. and lots of folk simply wink and nod acceptingly. Steroid possession wasn't even a felony offense yet. Nobody that used wanted to get caught. JPS I mentioned steroids being demonized during the 80's versus being more accepted nowadays as an "alternative" lifting ergogen. It's heaven for . People were freaking out not knowing what to expect. so this worked out quite well over time. if you know what I mean. I know that certain members of the world team who were also businessmen couldn't have afforded the public scandal of getting caught. More to come if there's an interest. Consider this: Does anyone honestly hold up the current icons of this sport (and they shall remain nameless. Jim Cash. Many folks were pissed off about this new drug testing thing. compliments of the higher-ups. All this lucky guy had to do was write down what he wanted and then visit the pharmacist. Today there are plenty of feds out there that either can't or won't test. but doing their best to deal with this new challenge to American powerlifting supremacy. Compare this to the almost laissez-faire attitude of the 60's and 70's. Nowadays drug testing is no longer a big deal because our sport has become splintered by those wanting "choices". He usually had several dozen to a pad. just trying to get a failed drug test these days to stick requires nothing short of Supreme Court intervention. and I'm sure that others on our team were receiving similar memos. Nobody is accountable for shit. But back to the 80's: the growing grass-roots opposition to drugs in our sport spawned the ADFPA and a massive effort to entice drug-free lifters away from the USPF. but you all know who the hell I'm talking about) as drug free paragons of virtue? Hell no. When drug testing started at the IPF world championships in 82. there was a shitload of behind the scenes preparation going on: drug test circumvention protocols were making the rounds. One of the big time lifters I knew from that time got his stash compliments of the prescription pads his doctor would give him.simply looked upon as just another "choice" lifters make. but the stigma related to its use had grown to staggering proportions by the early 80's.

of course. My powerlifting total jumped about 250 lbs during these 9 weeks. The body cannot hope to match the potentially limitless supplies of exogenous hormone that can be pumped into it by an enthusiastic user. No surprise here. I gained 20 lbs in 9 weeks. the high schools may be preaching about the "evils of anabolics". but what sort of role models are still being trotted out for the youth of our sport? And where can these paragons of virtue be seen doing battle without the encumbrance of any drug-testing? The answer is obvious. This is when most of the strength and size loss occurs. My bodyfat was easily under 8%. JPS My use of steroids began in 1980. Even allowing for a gradual reduction in exogenous hormones leaves one with much less than the peak steroid dosages administered. My first cycle was 15 mg daily of D-bol. doesn't it? The weight gain became apparent after 2 weeks.the druggies: they can compete in any number of non-tested venues. When I started I weighed 165 lbs and was weak as a kitten. I was hungrier than usual and was eating like a horse. No problem there either: I was practically a Casanova in those days. A few weeks later. And nobody is going to complain either. It takes a while to resume natural production and regain homeostasis. a $50 investment back then. Stop taking the shit and your body is temporarily left out of whack. Taking the shit throws you out of homeostatic balance: your body's feedback loop compensates by shutting down its own hormone supply. I now weighed 187 lbs. This. Sounds kinda nice. after having gone through 2 bottles of 100. either: just . provided you believe that the testing protocols in place for your federation really work. One year and several drug cycles later I won the state championship at 220. My lifts also started to suffer. Remove the exogenous supply and your body loses its "unnatural" advantage. I started to notice some loss of size and appetite. Steroid-induced gains are externally driven. because big lifts are what everyone expects from the pros. No surprise: steroids are supposed to augment ones appetite. and similarly. Off hand. More to come after I pop a lasix. it's pretty good for the non-druggies. Sure. I can't say there were any negatives associated with my very first drug cycle. I also became hornier than hell. I weighed daily and noticed about a one pound gain every few days. With this more relaxed attitude towards testing has come a more relaxed attitude in general about drug use. was to be expected.

trenbolone. Sergio Oliva. the naturally occurring substance that stimulates testosterone production by the testis. there was very little that was prohibitively expensive. anadrol. I added the big tabs to my own personal cocktail. anavar. As a powerlifter more interested in size and strength than looking "cut". various oil-based testosterone esters. in addition to the already present levels of externally administered hormones. This stuff is found in the urine of pregnant mammals and when administered to men is similar in action to luteinizing hormone. and halotestin. For injectables. and never tried anavar.compare todays best druggie physiques and lifts with those from 50 years ago. What results is the continued production of naturally occurring testosterone by the body. deca-durabolin. JPS As I was quick to find out. (Aside from somatropin. Training on this shit for weeks or months at a time only made me stronger and meaner but eventually would fuck with my liver. After learning that my boyhood idol. Anadrol and halotestin were the most androgenic/hepatotoxic and used more for enhancing ones "mood". methandriol. winstrol. I never used the stuff. injectable winstrol and even injectable d- . before the steroid era. One is drug efficacy. More to follow tomorrow. It's quite a cocktail. Nevertheless. Not too many lifters liked it for strength gains but one senior national champ I knew used it as his primary oral and stacked it with a fairly refined injectable. Back in the 80's you had a hell of a lot more choices than you do today and cost considerations weren't that big a deal. but a lot of guys liked the fact that it kept your balls from shrinking. folks. you had stuff like primobolan. This last oral had a reputation of being pretty mild and was popular with the ladies. Garth. The refined stuff wouldn't retain as much water and was used more by the "oil-me-up" boys. As I mentioned in an earlier post. Anadrol was $70 for a 100 tabs at 50 mg per tab. was using 4 anadrol tabs daily as part of his regimen. water-based testosterone suspension.) As for what you wanted the drugs to do for you. neophyte 'roiders find themselves confronting certain issues. I liked using it to the tune of 100 mg A-50 with 25 mg D-bol daily. Some people try to circumvent feedback loop inhibition by using substances like Human Chorionic Gonadotropin. Guys would load up on them like candy during the final weeks before a big meet in order to get the needed aggression that good lifting requires. it was mainly divided along the lines of performance versus looks. The most popular choices for orals were d-bol. D-bol was $25 bucks for 100 tabs at 5 mg a pop. I hardly ever used winstrol. I hope you're taking notes: please consider my previous and future "Sordid Past" postings to be my official position statement regarding steroid use. I leaned towards more androgenic orals and injectables. especially near the end of my career. d-bol was my first drug of choice and would continue to be for several more cycles.

and went away forever after I cleaned out. Trouble was. coerce. The gynecomastia lasted several weeks through my first meet (the bench press pauses were sure fun). Between cycles HCG was a popular way to get your natural testosterone levels back up quickly. I preferred them longer than most. Late in my first year on the shit I started using testosterone in addition to the d-bol. I would take TONS more shit than this but never experienced a recurrance of those nasty swollen nips. naughty people use. or otherwise persuade anyone or their mother that anything even remotely similar to steroids should be messed with. JPS Another consideration when using 'roids is how much and how long. so your ass got real sore fast. So there. I tried trenbolone (or Finajet) once and wasn't impressed. Dosages varied considerably during my 8 1/2 years of drug use. It also had to be taken every other day with a huge needle. A lot of enterprising users wind up selling the shit as a sideline and financing their own habits with the profits. For two years I was getting my stash at less than 1/3 street prices. having sold by mail order from Muscle Mag Illustrated. The roughest shit was water-based test. cajole. Another injectable that killed your ass was inj. nasty. nasty. I fit more into the latter group. others have no constraints. His body is ripe for the stuff and will respond well for the first . More to follow soon. People would order a pamphlet I'd put together describing the top drugs of the day and then contact me later on to find out how to get the stuff. naughty things that only mean. convince. and this is when the bitch tits came. The injectables I preferred were testosterone enanthate and/or cypionate. stacked with deca. It was used like anadrol. 'Roiders were a very trusting lot back in those days.bol. winstrol. A lot of people are limited by their pocketbook. A complete neophyte can start out relatively low and still make great gains. I also had the good fortune to be dating a doctor's daughter and found out what wholesale prices were really like. mainly to get one in the mood. The hypothalmic and pituitary hormones were still in a state of flux from the exogenously administered hormones. Over the years. are not intended to brainwash. Many lifters were of the mind that you must stay off the shit at least as long as you had been on them. of course. I was only taking about 1 cc per week (200 mg) and 15 mg oral so it wasn't that high a dose. but this stuff was extremely mild by comparison and good for cuts. I speak from experience. I'd respond and voila: orders would materialize from around the world. Time for a disclaimer: My posts. They are mean. which meant that a lot of guys would do maybe 3 months on and 3 off. but today it enjoys an almost mythic reputation as having been one of the best drugs around for size and strength. Length of my cycles would vary. you never actually were off the shit entirely while using this approach.

A typical cycle would be 2 A-50's and 25 mg D-bol daily plus a couple cc's of test and deca per week. (As an added note. Got mild bitch tits.couple of months. I'd been juicing off and on for one year. With testosterone. Before the juice I weighed 165 and never dreamed of anything over 500 in either lift. I was on the same oral dosages and had upped my test to around 6 cc's per week. Peaked out after 9 weeks. JPS The ultimate dilemma facing most druggies: how much is TOO much? Let my own experiences be your guide. Fast forward a few years to Austin Texas in 1985. I hit my second meet and broke the 700 lb barrier in both the squat and dead weighing around 215. take even more shit. 250 lbs on my training total: I was hooked. Third cycle (before my first meet): added in 1 cc test 200 mg) per week. Going 1 cc per week is therefore going to make quite a difference. Conclusion? The shit sure made a difference! . for example. you'll start to plateau and must decide to either get off in order to resensitize or to start mixing things up. test and deca. After around 6 weeks. More to follow tomorrow. It was after this last meet that I decided to call it quits. My swan song was a meet in July of 1988. cause it really don't matter. the therapeutic dose is 1 cc per month." This was the drug credo of the 80's. No deca. D-bol. Good results for another couple of months. Fourth cycle and 4 months later: I'd upped the test to 2 cc's per week and kept the D-bol at around 25 mg. and squatted around 750. but they went away afterwards. Kept orals at around 25 mg. Unfortunately. let me say that I've never tapered up or down during a drug cycle. My weight had been fluctuating between 215 and 235 (depending on how much shit I was using) and I was now into Anadrol. You can mix things up one of two ways: either up the dosage or start stacking. however. gave it a rest. Hit a mid 600 squat and dead in my first meet at 199 bodyweight. During this time I actually pulled 800 to my knees at 218. There was an old saying that went: "If your liver don't quiver and your bladder don't splatter.) Next cycle went a little higher on orals: 25 mg D-bol. By "low" I mean maybe 2-3 times the therapeutic dosage levels. injuries were taking their toll on my two best lifts (I'd never had a bench due to a bad rotator cuff) and all I was good for was still only mid 700's in either lift. I started out in Oct 1980 at 15 mg oral D-bol per day.

First off. but the lure of the ADFPA gave him cause to return to the platform a few years later. A few guys still got caught but they were the stupid ones. unless you're willing to juice for the rest of your life. as time went on things changed.How strong can a user get? If one's not a pussy and willing to take liberal doses of the right stuff. So between July and November when the IPF Worlds were held. Their winning Senior totals used to always be a LOT higher than their World totals. they didn't test at the USPF Seniors.501 . Can you keep your drug-induced strength? This has been the subject of much pharmaceutical hoopla and false optimism over the years. But that's a whole 'nother subject. Remember that before 1986. Secondly. Of course. You started seeing better totals at these tested events. As far as never losing your drug strength: forget it. Montezuma's revenge. Those in the know were learning how to beat the tests. JPS John Kuc was an awesome SHW and 242 competitor back in the 70's. In contrast to his days as a super. It's like WHAM now you're natural again you big pussy: LET'S GET WEAKER! A lot of guys who claim to lose only "a little" strength while cleaning out are bullshitting you. some guys use HCG or STH in the off-season. a lot of people choose the "off" times to train with very light poundages. or a bad case of tuberculosis. this time as a drug-free 275 lber with only one mission: set an open world record simply to prove that quality lifts could still be made drug-free. can you get most of it back over time? Just ask John Kuc. He then retired. But if you ever decide to go permanently "natural". His swan song as a self-admitted steroid user was in the 1980 world championships where he went 832 . I don't see why anyone couldn't add at least 15% to their best natural total.870(WR) for a 2204(WR) total @ 242 that withstood the test of time for years. More to follow as the mood strikes me. So where's their frame of reference? Several years back. one good way of comparing drugged-up totals with "cleaned-out" totals used to be watching how our Senior national champs did at drug tested world competition. I say HELL NO! It never ceased to amaze me how quickly my strength would drop after being clean for a month. these guys had 4 months to clean out. And you should have heard the excuses. It was always due to some terrible injury. Nobody wanted to say they lost 200 lbs on their total because they were clean as Aunt Hattie. Kuc looked awesome at 242 and pulled the biggest deadlift of his competitive career at this meet. Kuc did wind up pulling an open WR deadlift in the mid 800's and totalled in the mid 2100s to give the .

liver problems.upstart ADFPA a much needed shot of credibility. I used the shit for years and have no regrets. I know. Testosterone comes to mind. Let's talk instead about what's really killing some of the ex-lifters out there. with or without drugs. these lifters did prove one other thing: the best are still going to be the best when competing on equal terms. returning to competition as drug-free lifters. either. including the Poopmeister himself.) But who the hell knows when enough is enough for their body? What little signals will you be looking for that warn you to back off or clean out? And no.. I'd probably do them again if I thought Tim TRULY NEEDED AN ASS-WHUPPIN. kidney ailments. Heart disease is what ended his career.. or benign prostatic hypertrophy. His name is Larry Pacifico and he was a 9 times world champion. what a price! Personally. He nearly died not once but several times and even kept on the sauce after the docs warned him otherwise.. if you listen to the People's Champ. at this stage in my life I would choose a much safer injectable that didn't have the hepatotoxic side-effects. A few years later Mike Bridges and Joe Ladnier did the same. and while not quite as strong as they had been previously. I challenge anyone. The Poopmeister has been pretty healthy by his own admission. still putting up respectable totals. But here's where I take issue with Tim regarding steroid use and ones health. . (And yes. to tell me how in the hell one might be able to predict their likelihood of heart attack short of an arterioscopic exam. Besides helping the drug-free cause. you might as well buy stock in Pharmaco because you'll be the best damn customer they'll have for generations to come! Contrary to what his appearance might indicate (especially on the PEOPLE'S CHIMP Website).. but I'd be remiss if I didn't warn all the lil wannabes that taking too much of this shit for too long JUST MIGHT FUCK YOU UP DOWN THE ROAD. Now don't get me wrong.. there is a difference between USE and ABUSE. But that's the price you pay nowadays for wanting to be on something that's the real deal. I wouldn't worry myself about them because none of these things would kill you. hypertension. This is indeed fortunate.. as he claims to be on one LONG f'ing cycle. One great lifter (still living) comes to mind. I'm not talking about all those "terrible side-effects" you've heard about like drug-induced mood swings. And at $5/pill street cost. And he knows as well as I do that Anadrol (his candy of choice) is one bad ass nasty f'ing hormone. I might add that such examinations are not prophylactic procedures done on a whim at the patient's request. Now let me get on to my final topic of discussion and close out my long-winded posts: Last topic: How long is too long with 'roids? Hell. who by his own admission used tons of shit and probably shouldn't have due to bad genetics.

.... Make up your own minds...I WON'T SAY WHETHER THEY EVER USED THE SHIT OR NOT!!): Gary Aprahamian (in his 20's) Dave Johns (30's) Don Ross (40's) Jon Pall Sigmarsson (30's) Curtis Leffler (30's) Jerry Jones (50's) Doyle Kenady (50's) O.. You single the weight.... So what other sport do you have where the greats die in such disproportionate numbers before their time? Oh well: If you gonna go......... reapproach .. maybe it's better to go like Jon Pall did... Believe me...... it's just off the top of my head....... walk-away for a several seconds (certainly no longer than one minute).................. but it may be all one needs to tilt the odds against them somewhere down the road........ people. Wilson (30's) Lee Moran (40's) Wayne Bouvier (30's) Chuck Braxton (50's) Hannu Sarelenin (sp?) (50's) Honorable Mentions (still alive and kicking after heart attacks): Magnus Ver Magnusson Larry Pacifico Jim Williams And this list is by no means complete.while doing some heavy deadlifts at the gym...... doctors really have no way of knowing for sure just who is going to die from a heart attack..YOU DRAW YOUR OWN ONCLUSIONS ..... but statistics don't lie...just because you have perfect blood pressure readings or decent HDL/LDL ratios won't mean you'll be immune to heart disease...... A "THEY DIED WAY BEFORE THEIR TIME" WHO'S WHO OF STRENGTH ATHLETES (ALL HEART RELATED .... So I'm tellin's ya: if you look at what's been happening to some of our greatest lifters these last few decades..No.. versus being one of my patients at the local nursing home... prolonged steroid use should certainly be classified as a high risk behavior.... It might not affect all lifters the same way..D. .. in my practice I've seen plenty of otherwise nonremarkable blood screenings that would support this conclusion. JPS on walk away deads: Guys like Anello and Cash did what are known as "walk-away" sets................. and this is where those "high risk" behavior warnings come from.... Fact is..

and pull another single. Over the years however... I was pulling close to 700.. Stay honest by timing the rest intervals. It's a very easy matter to cheat on walk-aways by resting longer and longer between singles and thus giving a false impression of ones strength levels from one workout to the next. Cash preferred walk-aways with anything over 800 because of gripping problems. I abandoned it. It actually started to hamper my deadlift progress.. I started using less quad. Try doing sets of 5. Neither one was afraid of repping out with 10's early on during a cycle. but still managed to get another 100 lbs on my dead.the bar. His palms were shredded and never fully allowed to heal. Do not fool yourself into thinking that a walk-away set will give you the same conversion as a stop and go set. I always found that doing any more than just an extra set or two afterwards tended to wipe me out. The extra days off will yield tremendous dividends. If you want to see even more progress on your lifts: try alternating your squats and deads every 4 or 5 days instead of doing them both in a 7 day period. I didn't do anymore fronts for years after that. Strengthening my quads with fronts really made a difference. After healing up and resuming the back squats and deads I noticed an immediate increase of around 30 lbs in my dead. But like I said. I was very upright with my sumos. Guys like Anello and Cash used walk-aways at training peaks. Repeat until your target reps are achieved. During this period I only did front squats and leg curls for legs. He could do 700 x 10 no problem though. I was usually capable of around 100 lbs less in the fronts than in the regular back squat. Reason: The initial drive in an upright stance sumo puller comes from the quads. however. so things could get rather heavy.. JPS on front squats again: I had some success doing my fronts after the deads. I witnessed Cash do 5 walk-aways with 800 before he later pulled an 832 world record. reset. At this point.. Today I no longer pull the same way that I did 20 years ago. JPS on front squats for sumo deads: Front squats for the initial pull off the floor. This will mean you squat and dead during an 8-10 day period. Something to do with my 44 year old knees. . You'll always convert better from a max set of 5 stop and goes than from a max set of 5 walkaway singles. even dragging them up my shins on the way up. although I have to admit. Back then. my hips and hams have taken over. I couldn't deadlift or squat for months due to a back injury from back squatting. After I got to over 500 in this movement.

That's how Paul Anderson went from an upper 600 squat at 275 to 1200 at 390. This is also the way John Kuc went about setting a world record in the dead after he abandoned steroids. you should have seen me at 145.170 lbs: this was eating what I wanted and as much as my appetite demanded. My training had been brutally consistent. he betrays a personal bias which obviously favors size and strength as positive traits. I have avulsed a bicep and hamstring muscle. than one must choose between the lesser of two evils: . my strength has returned only as my size and mass have increased over the years. This took just a few months. unfortunately) of bodyweight. I noticed a complete loss of all steroid related gains. Drug free liftin': Poor body image? Hell. I'm gonna have to gain another 20 lbs or so (some fat included. To get over 200 lbs I was consuming around 3300 kcal daily. even if it's primarily muscle. I used to heal up very quickly in my druggie days. which is in itself no big secret. More On Roid vs. Obviously. Since having gone natural 12 years ago. around 550. It makes much more sense.I can still pull around 700 @ 250. One useful strategy for me now that I'm natural and trying to recoup my strength has been adding significant bodyweight. roided lifting: Here's how it is guys: I got up to a 775 DL @ 220 on the sauce. I have been clean for 12 years now. In order for me to get to 775 once again. But this is not borne out statistically. at age 44 and 5' 9. In fact. however. As far as permanent advantages conferred from prior steroid use: I'm doubtful. it was necessary to up my daily kcal intake to 3000 or so in order to get my bodyweight around 185. obviously. my natural bodyweight IS 165 . I didn't give a shit about my health: today I have my misgivings. healthwise. As I gained weight naturally. and today at 250 I must eat around 4200+. When a lifter accuses another of body dysmorphia because they weigh 165 after having weighed 240+. Question is. Since I went to all the trouble of actually LOSING size down to my PRE-STEROID bodyweight over 12 years ago. my strength slowly returned. one other significant difference I've noticed over the years is my propensity for injury since having gone natural. which is where I started out at before lifting weights. It's been 12 years now and I can see myself getting back to a 1900 total only if I go to a full 275 lbs versus the same strength levels I once had at 220 . Once I got up to this weight (usually consuming in the neighborhood of 2700 kcal). At this size I was once again pulling what I did before I ever touched the sauce.230 lbs bodyweight on the juice. Since then.JPS on natural vs. My strength gains have otherwise been unremarkable. I was as weak as I had ever been before I'd ever touched the sauce. After I cleaned out in 1988. Actually. These types of injuries never bothered me when I was juicing. do I want that much bulk and a heart attack for a 775 dead? When I was young and juicing. which was not a whole lot. I deliberately dieted down to under 165 lbs (my pre-steroid bodyweight). Aside from the obvious advantages steroids conferred strength-wise. He pulled an 870 WR on drugs at 242 and a few years later pulled an 856 WR @ 275. to carry 165 lbs on a 69" frame than 240 lbs. if ones priority is getting as strong as possible.

now it's simply getting too damn big for my own good. As totalling 1900+ becomes a possibility. At age 44. etc. some of you seem to be following this approach on a twice a week basis. an upper/lower split has been the ideal approach with just 4 or 5 exercises done each day. I wanna know why some of you guys think you're getting optimal results from a full body workout.. (For size and strength.add a few "supplemental" movements. Reducing ones workout to its simplest elements is theoretically the best approach..which is the optimal time frame one should aim for when planning a "perfect" routine.... but it sure freaked out my friends who knew me when I weighed 75 lbs more. it seems like I've come full circle. which is why I started to methodically gain weight again with a carefully monitored diet. Instead. I had no problem losing the weight. So we gotta tinker with the basics. Isn't it possible that even with as few as 5 or 6 "core" exercises comprising your routine. As for supplemental stuff. an olympic lifter his two lifts. once again possibly jeopardizing my health for the sake of a nice total. not muscular endurance. strong. Ergo: a powerlifter would just do the power three. blah blah blah. that about half-way through you're just a little tapped out? Granted. As I understand it. work on the "weak" links... My own experience with whole body workouts has been abysmal. Trouble is: Man is by nature a "tinkerer". Even when working up to 600+ squats or deads plus any assistance work. shorter.) I direct these comments to those of you out there whose primary aim is strength and size. A lot of strength athletes should just admit they're closet bodybuilders and be done with it. I can get out of the gym in under an hour. high intensity workouts are much more productive than longer. but even so: I doubt that anyone with advanced strength levels could complete a routine like this in under 60 minutes. I am also toying with the idea of getting up to a full 275. and possibly a cardiac arrest waiting to happen. I didn't like being weaker at 165 however. low or medium intensity workouts. I say just add it on a little at a time and back off if your "core" lifts start to suffer. . JPS: Rational behind whole body workouts?: Okay. Without the roids my ravenous appetite vanished.. some of you might have the mental and/or physical fortitude/endurance to cope with this kind of workload. however.being scrawny and weak versus being huge. For someone interested in general allround strength even just a full squat clean and press would do the trick. It used to be roids. . I found it rather easy to maintain a lot less mass. More On whole body workouts: Nate has the right idea for any strength athlete that sinply HAS to do a whole body routine.

suits.. This is why you see very few guys in their 50's and 60's doing what they did in their 20's . let me reiterate: this idea is pure unadulterated bullshit. l. I wouldn't expect tree trunks for legs until you could do TRIPLE bodyweight in the back squat with just a belt. benching to short-armed. Got a suspect lower back? Use a belt. bench shirts. Incidentally. I refer to the inadequacy of benching and deadlifting as a meaningful expression of upper body strength. or belts. have you ever seen an olympic lifter with bird-legs? Consider dropping back squats altogether and doing only fronts. And forget that leg press shit. then forget the big legs. Deadlifting lends itself well to technicians and long-armed folks. Back squatting is also less desirable than front squatting if you have a chronically bad back. but may not be what someone interested in "functional" strength is looking for. Those ultra-wide guys have nice inner thighs. I think these are preferable. Taylor's middle-age "break-down".. Much more functional is the power clean and push press. Actually. Got a nagging shoulder injury? Use a bench shirt. But ask most triple bodyweight deadlifters or double bodyweight benchers to power clean and push press double their bodyweight for reps and I'm betting you'll get that "deer caught in the headlights" look.. If anything. whether assisted or not. hyperlordotic. A narrower stance will get you bigger legs. If you're going to choose alternative core exercises. But will using this gear prevent long term disability? Hell no. You'll have a world class set of glutes. Regarding his correlation between higher rates of injury and "raw" lifting: Pure bullshit. however. unless you can do them olympic style. and barrel chested individuals. is like an invitation to degenerative joint disease. dude. Taylor's points one at a time. JPS on the "RAW" situation with the bitter Scott Taylor: Let me deal with Mr. This kind of strength went out with Paul Anderson.JPS on leg strength/leg size/etc: What is "strong"? Can you squat double bodyweight for sets of 5 with just a belt? If the answer is "yes". then perhaps you need to re-assess your squatting style: are you a hip and back squatter (wide stance or leans forward) versus a leg squatter (narrow and upright)? If your hips and back do all the work. It's for pussies. As an exercise physiologist and physical therapist. Problems with ones intervertebral discs won't be prevented either by the use of gear. too. I'm 44 so I can sympathize with Mr. Random stuff on powerlifting from JPS: A powerlifting routine is good for powerlifters. but problems with degenerative joint disease are not going to be lessened with knee wraps. Got knee caps that don't track right? Use knee wraps. especially in this age of high tech lifting gear. but little in the way of quads. engaging in ANY kind of heavy lifting over several years. Want to lift more? Use all the gear you can get your hands on. The use of gear allows lifters to use more weight and/or to train AROUND chronic injuries.

as "tested" federations started popping up. in fact. 2. RAW lifting has contributed to powerlifting's alphabet soup mentality only at the tail end of a very long downward spiral. and no one can tell how much membership overlap occurs between federations.. Same reason they used tennis balls and bed sheets. Gear use is definitely NOT some kind of magical panacea for preserving ones lifting health. it's the accumulation of breakdown and trauma over the years in other parts of the machine.) . It's not that their muscles can't get as strong or even maintain their strength. Truth is. (The public still prefers buff over brawn. Your tire tread wears away quicker when you carry a bigger load or drive a lot harder than usual. A few years later. and your joint cartilage as the tread on your tires.. Powerlifting will probably never ascend to the ranks of monied "supersport" for reasons well beyond the use of gear. there was dissension in the ranks and it had little to do with gear use. either! I recall the Wide World of Sport intro from several years back that alway showed a brief highlight of Paul Jordan's muscular long-haired 220-lb countenance approaching the squat bar in a frenzy at the World Championship in Australia. however. 3. but it does enable some with chronic or degenerative problems to lift a little longer. The real reason we'll remain small time (along with olympic lifting) is simply this: Powerlifting/Olympic lifting has no Joe Weider.. Taylor accurately portrays some arguments advanced by "rawbies" to justify their own agendas. Your joints are more affected by the weightbearing roles they play over several years and your genetics.however. some twenty years ago. the sport of powerlifting has become more fragmented. It was the scariest shit ever seen in the sport and probably one of the best things to happen for powerliftings ratings back then. or any other arcane differences cited by competing factions within the sport. And whether PL-USA's being "thicker" truly means an increased patronage versus increased advertising revenue is truly difficult to ascertain for sure. few of the dozen or so federations have accurate records regarding their own memberships. What they didn't show you was what followed: both knees blowing out on his descent and his body crumpling in a pile under 750+ lbs. Whether powerlifting needs to go "raw" in order to get in the olympics or garner more public approval is probably a moot point. I might add that gear use over the last 20 years sure as hell HASN'T prevented some pretty spectacular injuries from happening. the druggies sought solace in their own break away federations which eschewed tests of any kind. and powerlifting ain't bodybuilding. The REAL reason (of course) that MOST powerlifters use gear is quite simple: BIGGER LIFTS. gear use does nothing to reduce the compressional forces acting upon your articular cartilage. For Mr. drugs. Mr. (The number of subscribers doesn't appear to have changed much in the last 15 or so years. Long before the "rawbies" came around. Mr. Taylor to blame the VERY FEW federations out there that accomodate raw lifting for the fragmentation of our sport betrays a deliberate disregard for the truth.) Furthermore. Ergo. and perhaps his own ulterior motives. Think of your body as a car.and 30's. Taylor states that since RAW lifting sprang up a few years ago. The first cracks in powerlifting's armor were all about drug use and the growing resentment among "natural" athletes who wanted tested venues.

Either that or join the Weider gang.Sorry. The solution is also equally obvious. Regarding cardio: Contra-indicated with hard-gainers. especially with dumb-bells. then you can forget that "lifting for good health" shit. Waste of time.. Regarding food consumption: Run less and you'll have to eat less. You cannot expect optimal gains when during half your workout you are dragging ass. Switch to an upper/lower split. Some stuff for weight gain by JPS: Part of your problem is obvious: you even alluded to it. Sure. Side-bends: Huh? Bigger obliques = bigger waistline. reality sucks: My friend and former multiple world champion James Cash has a trashed back and knees at age 50. Real strength ain't about health: it's an extreme lifestyle choice.. Don't like the fat? Try skim. but I'm talking peak one rep performance of the sort that gets you raves in the hard-core powerlifting world. Hypers (as in for the lower back?): What for? You do deads and squats. Plenty of lower back work already. JPS on extremes: Not to panic: I'm talking extremes here. The squats and deads are wiping you out. Don't want a bigger waistline? Drop the oblique work. not a by-line in one those fluff-and-muff fitness magazines or certification as a fitness "trainer". You want a more powerful torso? Try STANDING overhead presses.. I have my elderly patients all lifting bird-weights for all the aforementioned health "benefits"... Cheapest weight-gainer known to man. This guy used to move world records poundages for years and now wouldn't think of touching weights most beginners handle.. Sure. Lactose intolerant? I use non-fat lactose-free milk: 1/2 gallon per day. .. If going elite is your goal. any kind of moderate weight-training is ostensibly "good" for you in the sense that you describe. Don't like to eat? Try drinking milk.. but how the hell does this compare to what an elite-level powerlifter does? Try repping triple bodyweight squats for 20 plus years and see where that gets your knees over time. Truth is..

........ must be off the stuff")......... STAY... and off... Today I am smarter.. nobody is going to expect you to start eating and training right in order to maximize your muscular gains. and on.... Consequences: No.. He'll tell you whatever it takes to make a fast buck promoting his overpriced EAS shit. That sonofabitch is the biggest sellout and hypocrite out there.. With KNOWLEDGE and SELF-DISCIPLINE the MUSCLE will come............... anybody that reads Bill Phillips ain't ready for roids.. EVERYONE can get stronger and bigger. nor is his advice worth a damn. When you get off them. And if you're an 84 year old man dying from malnutrition (like some of my patients)...... KNOWLEDGE AND SELF-DISCIPLINE will carry you to unrealized heights in the gym. But it's an ILLUSION.... A lot of these drugs were designed with clinical applications in mind for very ill people. Nobody with any sense uses "grams" of steroids.. I once did and that made me a stupid sonofabitch. I'm not gonna waste my time repeating all that stuff on my website.. Nobody wants to shrink.... consider this: roids will make you bigger and stronger really quick. It's called "KNOWLEDGE".. And off... Most people can get a hell of a lot stronger and bigger than they realize. Or to be whispered about ("he's getting small...... Most of these unfortunates simply don't know how to train or eat right.... I've seen many a roid king turn into a shriveled up has-been in just months following "retirement".. And on....... Any fool can make good gains on roids... and off.. Most natural guys don't have a clue. That's bullshit.. . So you get back on. Bad genetics is a bullshit myth.. and on... Learn how to train smarter as a natural athlete... Is it because you feel there's no alternative? Is it because you're too impatient? Or are you just a lazy SOB who thinks roids are gonna give him what he wants without any consequences? There IS an alternative to roids.. These are the guys who will cross the street to avoid meeting their former gym buddies out of sheer embarrassment... Roids make you depressed.... Roids make you stupid.. They think that "bad genetics" and a couple years of little progress in the gym means they're destined to mediocrity for the rest of their lives... taking advice from a roider is akin to asking a blind man what he sees.. And more importantly. Why train smarter if you just need to up the dosage any damn time your lifting goes stale? Let your liver enzyme levels be your guide... But how about this: Roids make you lazy.. Why bother with the temporary facade? Why take this see-saw approach to strength and size. dude. Pathan dude.. Better to gain 10 lbs a year naturally and permanently........... If you're IMPATIENT. So there's a lot of leeway for progress here..... Patience is a virtue.... with your progress totally dependent on what dosages you can afford and/or tolerate? Get on the right track with PERMANENT gains that don't depend on some unreliable shady sonofabitch travelling to Mexico every other month for a stash of roids to smuggle back in this country.. As a result... Lose the source and you'll lose the gains. The only other missing ingredient is SELF-DISCIPLINE.. so heed my advice: Ask yourself WHY you want to use. You can train any damn way you want and eat whatever you want....

you'd be better off just mailing your money to me.. I'll send you some empty bottles of oxandrolone from the nursing home where I work. Hell.Roids cost too damn much... .