TRANSCRIPT

OF

PROCEEDINGS

COUNTY

COURT

CRIMINAL

JURISDICTION

MELBOURNE

THURSDAY

5

DECEMBER

1996

COPY
BEFORE HIS HONOUR JUDGE

MEDIA ROSS

THE

QUEEN

v.

JULIAN

PAUL

ASSANGE

MS
MR

L.
P.

TAYLOR
GALBALLY

appeared
appeared

on
on

behalf
behalf

of
of

the

Crown.

the

Accused.

VICTORIAN
167 Queen

GOVERNMENT
Street,

REPORTING
-

SERVICE
9603 2403

Melbourne

Telephone

1 HIS HONOUR: This accused has been arraigned on previous 2 occasions, has he not?
3 MS TAYLOR: He has but this matter has a very protracted

4 history and there will need to be a re-arraignment on 5 some counts this morning. 6
7

HIS
MS

HONOUR:
TAYLOR: What

Yes.
I propose to do is to explain that history to

8 9 HIS

Your

Honour. Thank you.

HONOUR:

10 MS TAYLOR: The indictment in its present form was filed on 11 2 June 1995. On 29 August 1995, the prisoner was 12 arraigned and pleaded guilty to one count of insert data 13 into a Commonwealth computer contrary to Paragraph 76C(a) 14 of the Crimes Act.
15

HIS

HONOUR:

One

count

of?

COPY
a commonwealth
was

16
17

MS

TAYLOR: to

Insert

data 76C(a),

into

computer
Count 14.

contrary

Paragraph

MEDIA which
obtain access

18
19

HIS
MS

HONOUR:
TAYLOR: One

Yes.
count of to data relating to the

20

enforcement

of

the

law

of

the

Commonwealth,

using

the

21
22
23
24
25

facilities
76D(2)(b)(3)
three counts

of
of
of
a

a

carrier
the Crimes

contrary
Act,
into
to
5

to

Sub-Paragraph
was Count
using
76E(a)
count of

which
a

20;
the
of

insert
carrier

data

computer
Sub-Section

facilities
the Crimes

of
Act,

contrary
Counts 4,

which

was

and

8;

one

26
27 28

erase
carrier which

data

from

a
to 9;

computer

using

the
of

facilities
the

of

a
Act,

contrary was Count

Sub-Section one count

76E(a) of

Crimes use

interrupt

the

of

a

29
30

computer

using

the

facilities
which was

of
Count

a

carrier
11 and

contrary
count

to
of

Sub-Section

76E(b),

one

31

defraud
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a

carrier

contrary

to

Sub-section

85Z(f)(a)

of

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DISCUSSION

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17

the not

Crimes guilty On 9

Act, to May

which the

was

Count

29. The

prisoner

pleaded

remaining the

counts. prisoner of was re-arraigned data 76C(a) access into of to and a the data

1996, to

pleaded

guilty

one

count to

insert

Commonwealth Crimes Act, to

computer Count the seven 14; law

contrary one of

Paragraph of obtain of data

count

relating Count using counts

enforcement of of 15 insert a and

the into

Commonwealth, a computer were of erase

20; the 4,

counts

facilities 5, 6, 8, 10,

carrier,

which

17; three counts

data which were Counts 9, 23 and 24; four data one and on a computer of count to 9 which were use Count Counts of a 25,

counts of alter 26, 27 and 28; 11,

count one

interrupt of

the

computer,

Count

defraud, remaining an

29. The

applicant

pleaded On

the May,

counts. was entered by direction on

acquittal

COPY
18 19
20

counts 2, 3, 18 and 19. the County Court on that the that trial the remaining their counts, that

His Honour the Chief Judge of date determined in relation to questions render of the were the law arose such of a for

MEDIA
determination and and could conduct 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
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unnecessary, consideration and 2

these

questions of

reserved full to be court

determination adjourned this year, to the on

court. fixed. no and

The trial On order on

plea were of

a date full

October

made

the the Did

questions matter back

reserved to this

the

case

stated,

remitted the HIS
MS

court. Subsequently,

-

HONOUR:
TAYLOR:

they

give
the

reasons
matter

for
was

that?
properly the

They

said

that

not

30 31 HIS

subject HONOUR:

of

a

case

stated.

Yes.
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has a plea of 2 not guilty entered into Counts 1. at this stage. agreed said summary to have facts. that is I of have prepared to a summary of the indictment HIS MS assistance you. I other dealt men been involved. are guilty take currently arraignment HIS HONOUR: 7. 13. counts to which will are has you it? a number of already been counts on made reference. it is on the pleas place on and counts that this Count Count that the morning. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 MS HIS TAYLOR: HONOUR: will That's Those clear six the correct. Honour. 7. Count 22. and there acquittal directed entered. repeat 13. HONOUR: Yes. HONOUR: TAYLOR: Your Yes.85 of the Commonwealth re-arraigned Count 21 Count Count counts). TAYLOR: Your if Honour. 1. TAYLOR: I hand that up. I certainly - 8 HIS HONOUR: The pleas that have been made are to stand. The entered will accused 12. for your assistance. MS TAYLOR: which HIS MS That is a right. Just 7. 21 and 22. 21 that. MEDIA 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 HIS HONOUR: that were been is.1 MS TAYLOR: The prisoner still.76 and s. that there THE CHARGE: Offences Crimes ACCUSED contrary Act (6 to s. I have the read the summary of that has been note provided. and he will now need to be 5 6 7 re-arraigned HIS MS on those counts. that presentment. pleaded guilty.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A . and 22. 3 4 HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: 1. 12. HONOUR: Yes. as need will COPY and not to be 13. 12. Have they with? 3 DISCUSSION .

HONOUR: All the more reason why the same judge should deal with it and sort out if the it is and different of the criminality. it is that charged much MS TAYLOR: It is is also not so. by - Those two dealt with different - judges. was Honour.28 HIS HONOUR: I see the 76D offences carry a maximum penalty of 29 10 years. actually B. why the same judge is not there 3 4 MS dealing TAYLOR: In with those? of the list. imposed? sentenced the charges What In 1995 were penalties B. that is not so. does it not. I do have in MEDIA MS TAYLOR: copies respect HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: 21 July Your of of Honour. the assistance. sentenced are only HIS HONOUR: We to be pretty a compounding the problem. the so. and they same but offences. any Your reason Honour.. who was respect by His on Judge Lewis. They are two 31 years. Your Honour.. . two years maximum. This were so? are seems with network. HIS HONOUR: cases with ought MS There that by to a be are many that are by statements offenders involved the of who in principle have similar judge.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A 4 DISCUSSION . 26 alleged against him were one count of obtain access to 27 commercial information on the Commonwealth . is that so? 30 MS TAYLOR: No.1 2 MS HIS TAYLOR: HONOUR: They Is have. sentencing 21 22 23 24 25 indictment of remarks both those the of Honour co-accused. offender. we were just put in this terms 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 court. There some COPY 18 19 20 HIS differences between the matters alleged against . offenders The were in the dealt suggest judge dealt Your been who activities with same TAYLOR: Yes.

computer into counts a count to data 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Commonwealth insert data two contrary s.76E(a). one count to of alter data one in a Commonwealth of erase two computer in a of to MEDIA contrary s.5. That's Section Yes. system using seven the erase of a data computer to facilities of carrier into a contrary computer to in s.76C(a). a summary of the offences that HONOUR: the Yes. E is correct. DISCUSSION T13650A .76C(a). Honour.76B(2)(b)(8) of the Crimes Act.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 HIS MS HIS MS HIS MS HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: The It It 76E must is is E be that 10 E then. have other accused to hand up faced? to Your Honour.76(d)(2)(b)(3).76C(a). D two and a does it not? Your 10 the - - - defraud charge 85Z(f) carries maximum penalty 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 of HIS five years. years. counts Commonwealth of obtaining law of the computer access to contrary data s.76E(a).HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange contrary 5 76B(2)(b)(3). Julian to s. Do Your you Honour. B pleaded guilty to one count of COPY 18 19 20 obtain access to commercial information on a Commonwealth computer contrary to s. carries the maximum. years. 10 applies. to the relating the enforcement of of a of Commonwealth to using facilities four the counts carrier data contrary from a s. Your Honour. counts Assange knowingly access to concerned data Paul obtaining . system using four counts insert of a facilities of being carrier contrary s. I can MS TAYLOR: Not certainly HIS HONOUR: do MS Would you read that into that? the transcript if you can TAYLOR: Yes.

without the sum passing of years the $500 in Honour released good all cognisance in a period of of of behaviour 26 counts three of pursuant to s. happy with It it? was not grounds to Your Honour. that three not was the years pursuant C.29D. TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: Your was Honour. of a counts MEDIA obtain access contrary to to to data means Commonwealth count affairs contrary of of to 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 HIS 31 facility obtain any s.76D(2)(b)(5). sentence was manifestly inadequate.21B Crimes Did the director take any steps in relation to sentence? No. 18 19 20 by His Honour of the Judge Kimm in respect to of one count two of defraud of Commonwealth contrary by s. His of this Crimes convicting the Honour three explicitly offenders. HIS HONOUR: that MS HIS MS and 76D(2)(b)(8). HONOUR: TAYLOR: $2100 B in was also ordered of to pay reparation in the sum of respect damage COPY caused to the computer systems 16 at the Australian National University. His Honour in discharged the of In he does sum C of without $500 to conviction be of to good s. convicted him by for B and.76B(2(b)(5) relating facilities to of the a and one access data the personal carrier person using s.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A .19B upon behaviour of the recognisance for a period Act. prisoner recognised HONOUR: sits junior say the Where amongst Crown accused them? 6 DISCUSSION . certainly 12 13 14 15 say HIS MS that the Yes.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 76B(2)(b)(8) His sentence. He Yes. to be respect Act.

HONOUR: view? TAYLOR: Certainly.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange DISCUSSION . the or the off information to sell or was administrators retrieved was systems. gain personal for any other simply skill. yes. of damage "look/see" is that MEDIA notwithstanding were the used amounts 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MS HIS inconvenience and not caused target for The a the systems. and motive behind to show hacking computer into two arrogance those Their desire were in factors Honours certainly the taken other sentencing co- accused. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 they HIS HONOUR: to 10 also Why years this pursued does for a the this their own hacking propose activities. What say about that? COPY 18 19 20 Your Honour. probably perhaps. did Judge MS TAYLOR: matter as That and Lewis Australian University. skilful hacker. he was the most hacker well. all three hackers involved in this are what is described by computer literate people hackers rather than that malicious great to hackers.1 MS TAYLOR: The Crown submits that this accused was the most 2 serious of the . I am corrected ringleader. 8 While the three certainly communicated with each other. account an and by benefit.3 4 HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: The The ringleader? Your Honour. rather ringleader.. T13650A Do the same considerations apply here in your I would concede 7 that the prisoner is a . penalties of up Commonwealth sort of offence? It seems to me and sustained onslaught of that on was very at the determined Royal the computers and the Melbourne National Institute Technology. than the appropriate. 5 6 7 by He most my was learned the friend active as and that is and.

"International prisoner provided and Subversive" contributed on was to how a by to magazine B and hack C. Your will hear is Galbally matter. prisoner was in was also charged sine with at that the 18 19 20 21 HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: offence "Subversive"? Yes. to but you We at I had the intended appropriate what one Mr to make time as some to has if penalty. there final 5 6 7 just HIS raise that. T13650A I follow that. 8 DISCUSSION . Phreaking is when you - 31 HIS HONOUR: Yes. and compiled and how the to magazine information phreak? 27 28 29 30 HIS MS HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: How to? Phreak. and that summary offence was a 12 charge of inciting the commission of offences against the 13 law of the Commonwealth.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange . What by was publishing that? in writing in a magazine called COPY 17 MS TAYLOR: "International MEDIA Subversive". notice transcripts 10 there is a reference to a summary offence in respect of 11 both of those defendants. 22 23 24 25 26 HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: by the Yes. Honour. particularly Part 6A of the 14 16 Crimes HIS HONOUR: Act. 8 9 MS TAYLOR: When I you hand will up the transcripts in those of the other that co-accused. HONOUR: Yes. That's correct. a die committal because summary offence. to I say. and The the charge it is.1 2 3 4 HIS MS look/see hacker. can submissions HONOUR: TAYLOR: Yes. adjourned fact. P-h-r-e-a-k.

In practicalities. prisoner. the I would submit. When you it I but am in to terms take it of into much. pursuant s. - legality that MEDIA HIS HONOUR: account.359AA my office Act of Victorian advice Since that of the time. a C stated and distribution the of three only. both B and C The was dealt summary with offence by this to charged court against exercising of has the summary Crimes that by jurisdiction Act. . being of HIS MS HIS taken the into prisoner account Act is and the has on - consented sentence - pursuant the Crimes What The Being HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: with TAYLOR: Your difference? as distinct from dealt difference taken into account COPY 18 19 20 MS as a summary offence. not very Honour. 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 made MS HIS MS from what him for have told me. received the sub-s.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A 9 DISCUSSION . that the matters may to be that to finally matter s.16BA Consequently. do nothing says will the been a about that be court it. follows. determined. but is just to that I am not able to punish - TAYLOR: That HONOUR: TAYLOR: The - correct.68(3) a Victorian to Judiciary court prevents summary exercise superior a jurisdiction with respect federal so offence. the maximum penalty section certainly for the offences be if the no maximum other Section in of which he penalty that had convicted will still could have imposed offence 16BA does to taken into account. to be allow reparation that is order taken relation any offence into account.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MS TAYLOR: persons The magazine being had B.

I am up? but I hand up that - Your to Honour. all the but. but I have no power 13 to punish for it? 14 15 MS HIS TAYLOR: HONOUR: Yes. is. issue of whether or want address the 22 23 HIS not HONOUR: you No. . Two judges have had a crack at it. me to Yes. submissions client is certain that my regard regard 28 29 placed within the what context has been of the other is that offenders.1 2 HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: I am Are not. 25 26 27 why MR GALBALLY: in not a Your to third Honour. sort of I hand up the requisite form. with the summary offence? Section 7A? 10 MS TAYLOR: Sub-section B of the Crimes Act. in one? I will He be to might making the way do it properly. has occurred is Your that appears T13650A 10 DISCUSSION . 12 HIS HONOUR: I am to take it into account. Your Honour. should no. MEDIA up the form that it is necessary under that 18 hand 20 21 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: Do Thank you you. that. said 30 31 offenders Honour.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange It they have all that acted what independently. you asking main for reason any that reparation this is put order? in is The 3 4 5 6 so HIS MS HIS that the matters it can be finally determined. HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: Clear Yes. It is the 11 incitement provision. take the summary. Mr Galbally. judge? It seems there has 24 been a pot-pourri. What section under 7 8 9 MS HIS which TAYLOR: HONOUR: he is charged 7AB. Your Honour. I be will the deal sentencing with it. other essentially. isn't it? 16 17 MS HIS MS TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: I It Yes. Your is Honour. That intellectual COPY gymnastics.

Your opponent immediately your that. in is my submission what is that within communications is neither one demonstrate person who the ringleader COPY 18 19 20 HIS this exercise. in just precis contained them. if I ahead that that of the is the and may I accepted follow say so.. they you to can see ahead? I throughout one person gains information. it is merely that . everybody telephone attribution came became your your aware - intercepts were client the in the material up with jump GALBALLY: that it if about client alerted others and some sort of a solution to.HONOUR: I follow that. there was an intercept where he that is was placed with B's the telephone. I not what have is not an read them.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 throughout with each of people and their activities they have come into contact other. keep one Is think that that not correct? the material. and MEDIA didn't I read to be somewhere one jump 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MR client when seemed they on. not read intercepts you the would have had all would perused. You volumes. HIS HONOUR: last MR GALBALLY: may HIS MR I Your have 17 seen papers that. those there the offender. demurrer but when I used that expression. came up night.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange that there people were T13650A DISCUSSION . HONOUR: Yes. other having with Mr conversations Assange. My jig was up. . but if I would opportunity. your then. as it were. Essentially. and prisoner before you. GALBALLY: originally It is really on C. seem spread become that hot on between the or themselves. and who it is an elite or a involved in this that have these particular group type you of activity have have been through the telephone Honour. were 11 client if I may could who have use aware that expression. that.

we'd goes better on - this. due course. Your Honour. of and I results or potential I examination think this some is results very troublesome at the register I am is surprise one disposition Judge all I not. am doing investigate that the to cost hacker HONOUR: How community. for registering moment. are thrill sensitive for well. behaviour. see. That hacker's and and the is I will part be and in the 18 19 20 addressing parcel sense the HIS of that person point. But what happens as I understand it enterprise can try that - disabuse me of this and find a way of is enterprise goes on and they one jump ahead part of of the keeping the authorities. you - at that stage. Am I entirely. trail The got through difficulty people to the there are intercepts is. COPY GALBALLY: Throughout you what on the that course very of the plea. the cat appears to be activity play MEDIA there trying much and had becomes to does then access this mouse the between himself.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A . into have I am if who accept the hacking for of these computers. is and the the you individuals detection. on one they stop is the say. wrong MR GALBALLY: in HIS MR this about Not That that? troublesome this. investigation things they concern? are the et I see one of the examination cetera. DISCUSSION that 12 argument . the all personal but when like. criticising and that on is him. confronted view. gain just bound you not any it. a surprise. with potential right. If I may address it manner? HONOUR: Yes. jig's up.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 their HIS HONOUR: you and for. you very powerful GALBALLY: I argument will be that adopting have this in plea. all that 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MR must Lewis.

Assange HIS HONOUR: MR GALBALLY: and HIS I COPY 18 19 20 Which part are we going to? I am going to take you to the record of interview draw Which your attention to one page specifically.1 Your Honour. want to pause there. sir.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A 13 DISCUSSION . that Your he Honour. Julian Assange was 20 years 5 of age when this activity occurred. MEDIA HONOUR: page? 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 MR GALBALLY: That is page . second last He December HIS MR was 1991 interviewed and occasions. when? in February HONOUR: GALBALLY: Interviewed He was twice interviewed December 1991 and he was 28 29 30 31 interviewed HIS MR again in February 1992. part I rehabilitation. one my more part the deposition is material Mr submission. For example. and and terms offences done there that of will be he is submissions made now an entirely and his and. to in but. He now comes before the court 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 as a 25 year on his old. what that the than of committed as if for community that. is the sir. It record two of interview. significant.I hope it is . again. but I think I wish to place a little bit of 2 this in context which. sir. That is in 1991. of can rehabilitation person of he in the has different social he maturity has understanding in his just which fact. once in 1992. of interview. gave in and say this. in then. will assist you in 3 understanding the sentences that have been passed down in 4 the past. I hope. HONOUR: GALBALLY: that in I Yes. draw I you think. sir. . you the first interview December. sir. 6 7 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: Yes.353 of the record It is almost page of his on at the end of it.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 will his gives the into.37 candid he at was a about endeavouring stage in achieve.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange DISCUSSION . got I that. There is no duck-shoving at all 23 24 with hiding the questions. of HIS MR later but during course p. giving look. particular. he did of he to activities. an answer question explains exactly best of his ability and He is purpose that Your Yes. don't 25 26 27 28 HIS 29 30 31 MR It is a very candid interview. well.353. 12 13 sooner would the be interview against me was and. Honour. HIS MR MEDIA Yes. Your Honour. 1994 in respect of this He is not charged until offence. physical 14 15 16 17 evidence would be needed". behind. and I must 14 say matter. HONOUR: charges I can in a of understand some case like difficulty formulating this. second that Mr One can take Assange has gone back occasion. - HONOUR: GALBALLY: I have "Well. them with all of their enquiries to the HONOUR: GALBALLY: Assisted 22 best of his ability. complex course. COPY 18 19 20 21 assisted the police with their enquiries with the endeavour to have this matter dealt with as soon as possible. done. from that. was led to believe that the says. the more the evidence less there therefore. Your there on a Honour. answer I and then know. He an extremely that candid account he is what asked. He to the systems that he got his ability to and is candid about and I will of the at p. T13650A . what see that he has given Every to. It that is I undoubtedly a have had GALBALLY: Yes. the at address plea. one I'm candid not sure.

Mr at proceeding. I've of your come by that down statement. anything before the delay Full Act. to in any event. use the accused intelligent their colloquial expression. that time. sir.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange He that community pleading by the trial today. and the you time as when an these offences occurred. intelligent and. in a case like this. T13650A 15 DISCUSSION . at has to everything the early expedite proceedings. with done dealing with in the his material. 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MR HIS Although to the complex. GALBALLY: avoiding . in to person all a obvious that looks he is a highly the material people. intelligence COPY 18 19 20 outstretched their own maturity. that my myself client stage. comes It is one before entirely different person. got Yes. done went under taken offending is a behaviour. he Then. he sir.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 difficulties However. all here to endeavour and to answer this questions up as have for matter three cleared - early three possible. He has not relied on his rights. The trial doubt saved and about the by that. the guilty plea has of great no has significance. which could not be used is. feature may be of this particular he case Court that can to has not MEDIA significant the charges this Court sir. against him in a sense. power. awaits some years almost years his Between charges. be have Crimes - against guilty Assange the still deemed pleaded HONOUR: to be earlier opportunity. enormous guilty expense and would have been a nightmare. Yet. The of that is the is Supreme nothing stated and. when of through are fact. and now his maturity as a person has caught up with him and he has an insight into his That matter. but. with assist as he the you saying.

there is accepted some his his fate. HONOUR: GALBALLY: or the court was essentially statement concerned of that whether would be not same agreed COPY facts 16 17 if Mr Assange was put under cross-examination. 6 MR GALBALLY: Yes. be I delayed shall the any take of further. young late who 20 months 1992. 5/12/96 T13650A 16 DISCUSSION . During of adult parent. pleaded maybe and guilty. for one minute. 7. 20 21 22 has that law. in notwithstanding respect of the this are to grey areas that he that credit doesn't wish 23 24 25 26 27 28 matter HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: to Yes. the then. 3 HIS HONOUR: Yes. I follow that. has he Assange matured of aged young sole taken has responsibilities young son who is Sir.HS:BS almost wife her. 4 suggest that made any inroads and I accept that that was 5 for the purpose of clarification of the legal position. 18 19 although matter. Bench HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: I wonder had did a the Bench stated have that 17 went volumes before on it it? and They case 12 13 14 15 agreed HIS MR summary Yes. the they Crown decided the it. and the full court . course years has commission a a these who offences. The those of facts. I would not. the was Just prior and had to his arrest. court But to Mr consider Assange. his in his son then with Your premises then aged taken and.I don't want to merely 7 reiterate what my friend has said.1 matters upon which that went before the full court were 2 technical questions of law. since the into being 6. 29 30 31 . had in - refusing - to hear the application. those the Mr on a matters five into account. but the full court 8 9 10 11 effectively that the said. left Daniel. settled in were they finally and determined MEDIA urged against and (indistinct).

Assange .

9 10 11 that he has demonstrated in - a great the deal of maturity and and responsibility livelihood - taking over supervision 12 13 14 15 HIS MR HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: HONOUR: GALBALLY: That That What No. I am are instructed still by my client but that it is those obvious continuing today. and I will be providing 21 some material to you. HONOUR: GALBALLY: proceedings Yes. HIS MR sir. MR GALBALLY: sir.he has put programmes onto the internet site and 24 it enables people to gain access to that material. is a What receiver is employment? of a sole parent pension. a flat is is that. he describes himself as a computer programmer. the tender the Your that that has put from on site users material T13650A many .HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange 17 DISCUSSION . Was No. his HIS MR Mr Assange has managed to receive sole custody of son. sir. sir. 27 28 29 30 31 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: community will and He Yes. 22 he has set up a site(?) on the internet which enables 23 people . In 25 26 that sense. has managed to give and back an his the awful at work site. Hawthorn? correct. HONOUR: GALBALLY: that that is by by agreement way of or - - Court protracted Family 5 6 7 8 proceedings. is is at Malmsbury sir. lot some on to the I in that to respect Honour he from the stage. MEDIA was a 18 HIS HONOUR: He said he computer programmer by 20 MR GALBALLY: That is correct. or - - - that rented COPY house. or Street. a a house sir. his 16 17 HIS HONOUR: He Yes.1 2 3 4 Honour. Since being charged in 1993.

HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange of perusing that 18 letter. 3 4 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: What There is a his particular of programme? He has four are variety programmes. Assange is hopeful at some stage COPY 18 19 20 in addition to providing material onto the internet. 5 programmes that are on the site. sir. DISCUSSION T13650A . sir. of He security". to "Best it. work of this he doesn't some small receive remittance to it. but he is clearly a to he provide freely person who wants to people to MEDIA the that that. see that produced on that you pays that but. but that had it essentially MrÿAssange type them. There is one that is 6 7 described subscribers as. Sir. he that receives he has he get paid for that? well. is contained the material will for folder. that essentially. nobody user in service. Does No. produces which has in over regard 5000 to bulletins 8 security and provides computer software in respect of 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 those HIS HONOUR: things. that at some stage he will end up receiving some sort of paid remuneration for it. in from time to regard to the all in MR GALBALLY: time. Mr later life that. HIS MR internet isn't to be for. able and material his 21 22 23 24 paid gives services HONOUR: GALBALLY: Yes.1 throughout all over the world have used the material that 2 he has provided to the internet. services friend has has an 31 opportunity . if you just bear with me. I have a letter 25 26 27 here from the Alternative it that I is Technology am instructed before the Association that court they are Incorporated aware of wherein matter this although 28 29 30 there is no specific describes provided mention the to of of My it.

the plea will MrÿAssange's formative the - years Essentially. a. regard is that I to detailed background as of a child. being the most serious. you is submission prisoner before 22 23 HIS serious HONOUR: of But the in three of offenders. There has got to be. I take it terms 24 25 26 they MS HIS were all first offenders? TAYLOR: HONOUR: Yes. same that manner. HIS HONOUR: Have to you what the people came Ms before the considered MEDIA that. he if submission. in this case why the there 13 14 15 principles MR GALBALLY: comes not In before of my parity should they not should much apply? apply. 2 3 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: Do It you is not want me to to read read that it at now? this stage. court in the COPY other 16 18 identical. a belief on my part that 27 28 29 the punishment of this imposed court one was have manifestly decided to a inadequate two and two judges in this that lesser participants than the scheme. obviously extent 30 other - but when two judges of this court have decided 31 that non custodial dispositions 19 are appropriate. necessary 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 sir. in sir. The structure of wish to give the some plea will be as follows.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A . considered the Taylor? 19 20 21 MS TAYLOR: Honour be my Your would Honour. be I have by the that. any reason sir. DISCUSSION .1 #EXHIBIT ¯1 - ¯Letter from Alternative Technology Association. the sir. his HIS HONOUR: other MR HIS thrust is be that mother Your will strongest point the attitude taken by the judges. of and while it the Your will most bound that principle parity. That Is GALBALLY: HONOUR: is correct.

HONOUR: preceded by a if I mean. fact. deterrence will have I judges to is to follow of Your Honour. most weighty submission will be that that Your Honour the factor give. arrogance . COPY that the sentence isn't that if the offence is served is punishable glance computer of TAYLOR: Yes.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 particularly director I would was in the case of about a first an offender. were very have persuaded would My significant MS differences. that. gain it Mr 20 that's the three was correct. I not? TAYLOR: You would. that involves me stipulating that it requires sentence. of the in fact just at first are hacking into the a offenders whilst you and. these had men to probably of does not approach and that the they that they if had their computers access that broke the the various right Your if. now. will be that by the MS TAYLOR: submission not be principle imposition custodial HIS HONOUR: a MS HIS gaol But parity a will offended but a the custodial sentence suspended sentence. that my have. in computers into that's terminology. HONOUR: that And for personal or was expression. but I who cannot are ignore the fact of that the HIS HONOUR: two need have this court that well in appraised appropriate incorporate the Your of of principle they cases taken Yes. if the enthusiastic to be alternate that there disposition. of it them your are not doing TAYLOR: Yes. view Honour. it identify quite the number usage counts. the fact MEDIA by a declaration 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MS HIS gaol all I sentence. suppose.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange Galbally? DISCUSSION T13650A . Honour.

then you maintain thought it. I will say this. were skills of All B. then my at that motivator is one I understanding times imposed deeply papers really this MS I am but principle soured by believe. of the Honour. shorten MS TAYLOR: these Your I just I might able proceedings. are so quite it is penalties in our so and deeply my you entrenched is entrenched and the just feeling and that Mr - having Galbally. prisoner excess HIS HONOUR: right. COPY 18 19 20 acknowledge that it comes before other co-accused and will be HIS HONOUR: fact to I don't want you're create I a tinkering you at to be the this court with two bound by parity. the Crown does Honour. the and I want if Judge Lewis his sentencing but I be remarks just get finally if I sentence may say accused that you .whiff will struggling to come up in the case in this case which of first so offenders with ingredients distinguish it . that far in is not so. I will be hear to you on that later on. that law. it was for arrogance.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange significantly to enable me to say that one of the Judges 21 DISCUSSION T13650A . in trying deterred but also if as it were none and MEDIA edges 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 significant have difference that when if exists in to - because would was thought by Judge that Lewis particular impressed not for the that the fact the access the the computer was dare I say it was impressed before a by I personal gain.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MS HIS TAYLOR: HONOUR: I think Yes. to this so. read that B the heard heard the discrimination is inclined between to Your be certainly and accused my marginal. read thrill. of if the it was is mine. The of TAYLOR: In computer those submission. the which some Your Honour.

may not really when helpful cases often counsel proffer say. Honour. HONOUR: TAYLOR: There is only one other set of hackers that have 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 come and before in this court of and that too were three co-accused suspended look/see respect those were three co-accused. offences. is that one of the problems of with course.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A 22 DISCUSSION . other HIS HONOUR: you two Do submission. in Your my summarise. this are these offences.. that sentences as well. "Well. 29 MS TAYLOR: Thank you." I draw back from that because and each case. or would prefer No. Yes.. each case has its as times own it particular were but facts that to the MEDIA own particular principle of offenders is at all 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 MR particular principle MS TAYLOR: subservient parity. but I of a think to be when you've got what seems to be look at another and at I me similar quite and set of say network. the difference the if I may and just the Yes. this all. she may proceed. Mr Galbally. of the new Your law Honour. between - prisoner hackers you to not - mind at occurring. COPY 18 19 20 now. in such and such a case so and so was the penalty therefore you ought to be guided. and they were custodial hackers HIS HONOUR: members facts. the counts that relate to Northern 30 Telecom which are counts seven to 11 on the indictment 31 related to the hacking of .1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 of this court really has if imposed the a manifestly did not inadequate complain sentence about MS TAYLOR: part quite HIS MS particularly Director it. GALBALLY: Your Honour. Yes. imposed Yes.

1 2 HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: No. around Your he he on That's Honour. `91? Your Honour. that he liked and he was in 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 HIS those systems some his this and months before the Systems Administrators HONOUR: computer accessing what is Can detected you is answer presence. 5 6 HIS was HONOUR: a Canadian Let me telecommunications a look at the - - in relation to have summary 7 that. between 1 July `91 and 8 9 MS 29 TAYLOR: October Yes. counts 7 to 11. he had root access to those computers which meant that he didn't need any MEDIA further password. The number of computers affected 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 by that piece of hacking to to was substantial.000 over network computers 1. he had the he could have gone for anywhere quite key to the door if you like. Was not B at charged all.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange computer? you answer question? My understanding System of that is that there who has is a person the Administrator 23 responsibility DISCUSSION T13650A . people the how are when the system it the are working doing so that lawfully to is or what's gets stimulus there Can indication entrant into one the that some unauthorised that MS TAYLOR: called . actually COPY 18 19 20 programme to do that and on a number of those computers he had . Telecom the he had The computer 11. call one. question. with those? is the only one who The prisoner 3 4 is charged with those skills offences to get into and the they were quite Nortel superior computer systems.000 HIS HONOUR: millions MS TAYLOR: belonging attached Northern it and - about prisoner obtained password This of is files by this technique until used hit of throwing one? wrote a numbers correct.in over 100 of the computers.

which that I don't know technicalities intrusions. Yes. HONOUR: that's the 24 discrimination? DISCUSSION . - that say summary the HIS MS HONOUR: TAYLOR: Is That the difference? and the time and the difference. you lawful use computer. When the Systems Administrator core affect Wang of found the the presence prisoner to catch of was him an able and close intruder to count to on the the MEDIA system. them when monitor 11 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 trying one relates him to and to this. that hacking to the done by the that prisoner people HIS HONOUR: question. - Your - Honour. the information is going to an telephone don't an it number the or something of but that sort? - authorised MS HIS MS TAYLOR: HONOUR: TAYLOR: I Or Yes. can discover these HIS HONOUR: Well. extent 29 skill required in relation to those counts differentiate 30 31 HIS the prisoner And T13650A from the offender. the of them got very able to cause catching system Wang prisoner that was the from computer the of is core the - exclude he System Administrator that in is the therefore Your interrupted Honour.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange . along unauthorised would be the something Systems those lines. using does MS TAYLOR: the didn't couldn't Yes.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 for looking after the system. The the it. my is how it's along and getting know are information procedures that anyone There auditing of. Your Honour. only B. if I disrupt use computer extent understand rolling the - but merrily - and and they that's everyone want. Your Honour. know specifics computer. and when Administrator COPY 18 19 20 HIS HONOUR: Perhaps we should ask the accused? MS TAYLOR: Perhaps we should.

please.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange reading summaries for be for the listening it I counsel my it view is prosecution conviction in of that this and should case accused. you've that's our occurring by of from A. "Upon the material produced to me on this plea in and the upon number the the of depositional volumes and material to which the to is think is MEDIA contained and for that upon the a presented court 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 wasn't . Ms Taylor. TAYLOR: His Honour said. by the the acceptance was this entry of done computers criminality probably. Lewis the significant want to sentencing read them but remarks I would that like made. into view. read 10 years discount Could Judge Judge me the sentencing remarks made by Lewis. I COPY 18 19 20 MS you to read them into the transcript. I but I mean.10." Honour. that they point absolutely someone less mischievous the cent probably were under you without 33 per awareness for the facing s.100.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MS TAYLOR: Honour. but recorded the B of appropriate the course reasons be indicated during his a in argument he will that be released upon for undertaking period that the of he sum good behaviour three years and that he will of pay to the will make reparation Australian National University $2. Your HIS HONOUR: brought enough. the transcript are 25 more of the argument remarks in Your transcribed. T13650A There sentencing DISCUSSION . Canadian but the fact I it don't to think my that's enough. The rest of the counts are very similar. I concerned Lewis suppose that friends I would suspect of the about was generally background that Judge impressed prisoner. the the and attention just a be don't think It seems variation.

10 but I got to give a s. I'm sorry. should get path have heard what I have said. would that. that with does you the not should of clear offences the Sentencing Act it s. MEDIA Thank you. you the has Galbally.19 doesn't that in a apply but a I have still on got to says where remission that the sentence of got available the State of court those practice has acknowledging to MS TAYLOR: case HIS HONOUR: have be abolition remissions followed. Yes. HIS HONOUR: heed. it's not strictly s. I do of believe that there in this should court be so seen far but to as be is consistency possible Judges has to punishment a with and are be that's dealing pretty elusive fact a commodity when there do not similar for circumstances and I very good reason departure . s. I s. it I read I recognised those. MS HIS TAYLOR: HONOUR: think the Yes. are is not Yes. COPY just wanted to clear that up in misled you. the bottom of the tree.10 discount in the Commonwealth 21 22 23 24 25 26 terms. I in fact. had. I think have make mislead it you before. Mr you Your Honour. on I personal been made background a little material easier file but the for 27 28 29 30 31 you.10.1 2 HIS respect HONOUR: of C is C from in - His you Honour say he's Judge at Kimm. about MS TAYLOR: referred Federal apply.10 I may due course. 3 MS TAYLOR: He is very much at the bottom and His Honour 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 explicitly if I HIS HONOUR: me.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A 26 DISCUSSION . I Your Honour. Would that be off assistance Your Honour? be grateful if you could pass want them to on to will read them in this. Your to Honour.

to for Daniel den get his coat. good appraisal occurred. GALBALLY: HONOUR: can you? I can try your for time. 31 intrusion . I I would have been closer with to Taylor's submission. say that the if disposition think 26 27 I Ms had first go at this.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 think the of points this the that case were are raised such by Ms would by Taylor cause in me the to context depart MR GALBALLY: however HIS HONOUR: into MR that made from Your if I disposition I'm Judge that Lewis.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange into these computers was quite extensive. Honour. a non-conviction I think bond? of Your No. Honour. you're wasting offences 24 25 this kind ought of the to court be I a mark is on I his must record. ORDER ORDER 14 material that I want to put before DELETED DELETED DELETED BY BY BY 14 14 Jan Jan Jan 2011 2011 2011 COURT ORDER COPY 2011 2011 Jan 16 17 DELETED DELETED BY BY COURT COURT ORDER 14 Jan ORDER MEDIA 14 14 14 get a 18 19 20 DELETED DELETED HIS BY BY COURT COURT You ORDER ORDER cannot Jan Jan 2011 2011 result than what I have HONOUR: better 21 22 23 MR HIS proposed. may the grateful say this it's for like - indication. In addition Assange's the COURT COURT background court. to Mr thankful I can that indication just make this remark. it T13650A 27 DISCUSSION . too. would have thought the 28 29 30 extensive read pretty the intervention summary of that is disclosed but I take in and it my I've only a the the of facts what that's view. just going back Sometimes the Lion's I'm but if counsel. Your GALBALLY: Honour.

I before have heard had is it a so disposition view in Judge Lewis. GALBALLY: mother. she currently to give and bit required Mr evidence. A stems back Assange's background really to his mother he has and it is from have relevant in this sense. saying she is is able this. Once again. the like. that a moved young from child town and to the to throughout town. grateful for indication. T13650A reasons why give a coherent DISCUSSION Mrs Assange 28 is unable . from his affectively. Your Honour. they entire State to State.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 carried thought. today little I repeat If I may for begin the by record. and I will go through and. with and it in the potential to to cause particular such things at will harm.I am appraised of it and that it is there for well. law and I'm GALBALLY: Yes. the Honour. that might different but I our MR believe that the I Your principle am bound of parity to follow entrenched I will. no evidence accepts the malevolent is just of Commonwealth there was accepts anything and say the surf that than of these would sort being intelligent to - inquisitiveness the I I am expression bound the to pleasure through that of I able what's but various have computers thought. record 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 MR it . in effect. life. as I particular access and potential and the I examination know laid the - questions and we eyes results never the know in was RMIT what these not don't probably upon prisoner but his which reposes that it computers used that other for there Commonwealth purposes. I think you family you COPY should put put the the just by way of prisoner's on the background so that HIS HONOUR: record should and MEDIA material. in court his Christine if of Assange.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange . sir.

parents are most concerned form but literally four at went from in school one to another. she be bullied and bed rock in his real saviour computer. have He educational education qualifications? at young all. In boy and a has what formal qualities reality. in at the of approximately his only effect. at some encouraged realised and stage it 29 become addictive DISCUSSION . sometimes about cliches how and the child will adjust own because social MEDIA children groups Mr they have their 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 He Assange sometimes spending was reach - spending six months school. in His life or he would his in own fact. sir. sir.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 chronology of all the cities and times and places that she is you. months another time to school.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A . travelling from has happened is to State and that as a school his to from State to school country town country age town mother purchased 13 or 14. I HIS HONOUR: Does MR GALBALLY: he will He endeavour to outline mastered that the to world you of now. and a computer for him That only computer. to be he would I suppose expression is only was use had picked on. obviously any no has formal computers. Most times. when he would be ostracised from a new community he the colloquial would be ostracised. she has resided in but of has the view that at she is able to testify that Assange. time. computer an life him that to this the mother. the prisoner Julian least 12 before attended different schools during his lifetime. with man the and became friend is his interaction young outside one can world. He imagine the highly intelligent COPY 18 19 20 difficulties that any child has moving to one or two schools during their lifetime.

31 Brisbane. Shortly into a relationship that married event a Mr entered Brett was Assange. Kevin I can moving there. of six was Julian? the Up age of seven about had at the been that age in Julian round Julian approximately seven. His step-father He. ceased with Before a Mrs relationship relationship Hamilton. That approximately relationship aged seven. The HONOUR: GALBALLY: prisoner after and No. the with in prisoner? the prisoner. he has had no contact was born in Mrs Queensland. at about had until Magnetic Island. I'm instructed and told by his mother. 2 3 4 5 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: ways. that Julian had a very close relationship with his step-father. mother background a very home intelligent when she lady years away effectively from 6 7 age and moved and to fell Sydney. say HIS MR Assange by new gentleman onto name sir. Assange Townsville. - - How old was HONOUR: GALBALLY: stage. it was plagued with 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 alcohol and that that Almost basis that Mrs Assange immediately entered the into of if after a the relationship. resided eight.1 instrument to him at a very early age. ran Were No. He finished when Julian COPY 18 19 20 had. then subsequently when T13650A 30 DISCUSSION . difficulties MEDIA unfortunately. Shipton. pregnant She in came her from early an 20s academic and had background 8 9 Julian. he The never biological took up father or of if Julian. His both his is parents together? is quite tragic young was 17 in many who of sir.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange Sydney and Adelaide. he did Mr only John took resident 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 up HIS MR residence Has for he had a very contact short with time. . with ended was an actor and was on a theatre director.

I withdraw that.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange attempted way T13650A . He to six ransacked for and a previous of premises. but Julian had given evidence in Family Court proceedings in regard between Julian's HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: enormous upon Mrs to his Hamilton mother because and Mr there Hamilton was a custody battle son. he that schools do 31 his attended he had three different - calculate different to probably that by attended four during HSC time. travelled Melbourne Hamilton gentleman her. HONOUR: GALBALLY: HONOUR: GALBALLY: did pursued Hamilton her for now? pursue a Hamilton Is It is that number terminated successfully terminated now but Julian was COPY 18 19 20 forced to . in flee at which had and great she was down to. MEDIA regarding their 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 step-son(sic) How Jamie old is is now I and he Jamie. He of DISCUSSION eventually . for a Adelaide months. attempted he had had Kevin attempted towards contact in she the fled been physically their violent past. short then she period fled time. he? think not has 15 years of any lived city age. Your Honour.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Mrs soon that to the Assange soured. domestically moving one city until the age of about 15 when he comes to Melbourne and we're three in that able or to time. sir. difficulties forced to to terminating from one state stage. sins a to he at had all difficulties Assange but placing really from transient another lifestyle. her? of years. to period of across Perth for a period 15 four HIS MR HIS MR she came of time and then when Julian was about 14 or back to Melbourne as she where has she been resided in in about different How premises long refuges. entered she into this third relationship. to her relationship She state.not forced.

. at 17 into he met his then wife. He has had MEDIA How Well. been in any employment? not from my instructions.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 correspondence that. he has the and when 20 these months. child they himself moved into and he was he met her assessed through gifted and programme residence together and he attempted he at was a to do his HSC by way of in at doing endeavouring the a time course and when at he a has to do correspondence. they through out he at had sir. He had Christine assessed fact that gifted programme. met been the year and he was unsuccessful in completing early age. computer that. science physics completed HIS HONOUR: MR GALBALLY: no .HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange his studies hold T13650A 32 DISCUSSION . and moved a residence child together. 23 24 25 26 27 permanent offences Since of that his he employment he because a at the time Daniel. He Melbourne probably a University never spent notwithstanding longer than a in one classroom on as that being a consecutive basis. At an Christine. old is he an now. . all thing sense occurred sole had custody young of the give was child child the getting time never spent very in a endeavouring had and to that child stability 28 29 his mother is able the to give evidence and the that Mr Assange paths or notwithstanding intelligence career 30 31 academic paths he that has put he could probably on choose and through he has university. 29? for not that. sir.HIS MR COPY 18 19 20 21 22 Has he No. I beg HONOUR: GALBALLY: Honour. been Your in any there's your explanation He has pardon. that and then were in unsuccessful later he stage was and these TAFE not offences college committed.

100 was and there is a that matter was done reparation B was order. now. in a dispositions. Your Honour. I will hand up to you Honour. just excuse me one moment? HONOUR: GALBALLY: simple I'm basic advised. for damage reparation in respect by both B order of and made to against ANU. Honour.HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange . HONOUR: about I have no to tender these reports about his HIS reason not to accept what you've said MEDIA that. 2 3 HIS MR HONOUR: GALBALLY: I What know sort what of a computer he had - has I he think got he at now home? just computer 4 5 6 7 has HIS MR - if you'd Yes. that order. T13650A thousand hundred you - - - dollars. If it please just one 21 22 MR MS GALBALLY: TAYLOR: Your Your matter. computer. 23 24 25 26 now the of transcript a of the co-accused The $2. I'm position sentence COPY MR 18 19 20 GALBALLY: Do you wish me son. Your The Honour. I the your previous client position. that it's only just in a computers that were used 8 9 the commission small of these offences and one were of really the just old for fashioned computers motives 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 these offences was it that you to by leading onto and these major you to computer sites. Mr Galbally? oppose Your Honour. enough mainly to enabled think in a heard about because the of background.1 really solely concentrated on young Daniel. move HIS HONOUR: find from I myself one gave site I've the power another. 33 DISCUSSION . damage - the That done 27 - 28 29 30 31 HIS MS HIS MR HONOUR: TAYLOR: HONOUR: GALBALLY: Two One Do No.

HS:BS 5/12/96 Assange T13650A 34 DISCUSSION .1 2 MS HIS TAYLOR: HONOUR: I Just would bear seek me that while I order. read Your Honour? Kimm had with what Judge 3 to say. 4 (SENTENCE FOLLOWS) COPY MEDIA .

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