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English translation of excerpts of the transcript of the conversation between PrasadPurohit, Sudhakar Dhar Dwivedi (SD), B. . Shar!a, Dr. ". P. Singh, "a!esh#padh$a$a and others during the %aridabad !eeting of &bhinav Bharat on 'anuar$ '**+.
Purohit: Towing the line of the Hindutva ideology or following this constitution will nothelp. We will fight the constitution to fight for our nation; this nation is not ours. Thisgovernment is not ours and neither will it be ours. We will fight for our independence,independence of Hindus. !: When was our constitution accepted"#!ispute about the date$harma: %n 1&'(!: )ow if in 1&'( the elections were held then it was in 1&'* that we were declared a+epublic. The constitution reuires that all the citi-ens of this nation submit themselves toit. n what basis did the citi-ens submit themselves to it" %f the people/s parliament wasn/tformed, and there was no argument over it then how was it accepted" How did they writeon behalf of the people and who are these people who wrote it" 0lections happened twoyears later. harma: #bout +.P. ingh$: We should not have a direct relation with him. %f we areinvolved even half an inch with him we will run into trouble. We should not be attachedwith him officially on any matter. !: We will 2eep him in the action group. harma: ction group3 He should not be in blac2 and white even in the action group. 0venthe word 4action group/ should not be in writing. !: )othing should be in writing. Whatever is going on between us is based upon our mutual trust. We have already informed everyone that nothing should be on paper. #!r. +. P. ingh 5oins in the conversation$!: We were 5ust spea2ing with harma. He was of the opinion that you belong to thedirect action group, doctor3 !r. +. P. ingh: The situation in )epal last night was so bad that you should have seen it.6irst, what is your opinion on )a7alism in all of %ndia and what about 8aoism and
(opinion on )epal" nyway, day before yesterday a woman called me from Tehel2a.Telling me that % registered a case against Husain. Whether % don/t 2now this and that9%replied #after much abuses$ saying that % don/t 2now anything because % am not acommunist3Purohit: bsolutely right. !: % had gone to an award function at amia 8ilia %slamia where this country/s vice president, Hamid nsari was present. !r.: % had gone to oppose it. % carried with me 1' liters of petrol but % didn/t get a chance.Hamid nsari then was the ice <hancellor of amia. 8. 6. Husain was being given anaward. He didn/t come but his son had come. !: =oo2 at the helplessness. The misfortune of this society. We are seeing it from our own eyes the time that is about to come and still we can/t do anything. Purohit: wami5i, the candidate of ama5wadi Party for the election of the vice presidentwas also some nsari. He said before itself that if % become the vice president from theThird 6ront % would still not say ande 8ataram. o the reason we have come together is because in the current arrangement the situation will not change. 0ven if >P or hiv enacomes to power this situation will not change because their attitude is different. !: ?es, because till the time this vote ban2 remains intact this shame will 2eep inflictingthe society. Purohit: o swami5i the thing is we have to fight the constitution, we have to fight for our independence. !: =isten, how will you fight" What is your modus operandi" Purohit: % put in front of you the proposal that we had spo2en about. Till the time we donot, in a united, thoughtful, inspired manner begin the wor2 people will not associatethemselves with us. This is the situation of 8uslims today. They may not have a particular fund but they have fifty@thousand people. !: This is global. Their front is %slam. They all come together on this single front. Purohit: This is the thing. 6ifty@thousand people can come together on one land in half anhour. We do not come together li2e this. nce these fifty@thousand people come together they automatically get negotiation powers. The thing they want they do it themselves.When we would have to come together li2e this we will need an %nternational 6orum, a
AA )ational 6orum and a Political 6orum. % have no interest to win an election and neither will any of our men have this wish. >ut then till that time we will be a second nuisancevalue. !: +ight now we hold only one vein of the society. Today the country is calledindependent but in reality the nation still has not got independence. That was actually an%ndependence ct passed in the >ritish parliament. %n House of <ommons %ndia andPa2istan are still referred to as the !ominion states of >ritain. ther societies had religious restrictions and limits but in the Hindu society no restrictionsremained. %n these si7ty years two@three generations have passed. ust thin2 on this: in1*(( the first 8uslim invasion happened on Hindustan and they stayed here. %n 1&BC8ountbatten left. %n a span of 1** years even a healthy man will see his si7th generation.o with this average at least '* D E* generations have gone by. %n fact after sevengenerations the genes begin to change. o in these circumstances if you tal2 of uniting theHindu society it is a mountainous tas2. ?ou cannot trust anyone. o whatever we are wehave to ta2e responsibility on our own shoulders and we have to ta2e this till its goal. o if in this way we are able to pitch our tents then we can get la2hs and crores of people togather around for us. This you have to see. Purohit: This is what % was saying: what is happening to >P/s situation.!: <all 8a5or Fpadhyaya. #8a5or Fpdhyaya 5oins the conversation$ Purohit: ir % was 5ust proposing why we are starting all these things. 6irstly, we wouldn/t be able to get some nuisance value till the time we do not gain negotiation capability tochange the constitution. We cannot do this till the time we are able to get fifty thousand people on the street li2e the 8uslims. econdly, the geographical features, you see @ %ndiais still not a Hindu nation. We have to win this nation bac2. We have to fight a war of independence. The third most important thing is, we have to ta2e this issue to theinternational forum at the earliest. 6or this 5ust tal2ing wouldn/t help. This will onlyhappen through revolutionary ways. Tal2s on +am etu will 2eep happening. 6ifty or evenfifty la2h people will come together, parliament will 2eep functioning the way it wasyesterday; the rest of the issues will also be tac2led the same way. %n Gashmir the eventsthat have happened have left Hindus sidelined. %n 8aharashtra as well in a place called