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Transcripts of interrogatories of some witnesses in the Malegaon case

14|12|2008, witness n° 99. ... I have the following education: classes 1-8 Nutan a!athi "id#ala#a $une, classes 9 and 10at aha!acht!a "id#ala#a and classes 11 and 12 at the %&te $!ashal#a. I then o'tain a di&lo(ain co(&ute! technolog# f!o( the )ha!ati#a "id#a&eeth in $une in 1989-90.In 1982 I 'eca(e close to ! *** who I (et at the +outh ostel %ssociation of India. ! ***ould co(e to the association to hold slide shows. ince I was found of t!e//ing I 'eca(ean office 'ea!e! of the association and ! *** held slide shows on Indian fo!ts etc at theassociation 'etween 1982 and 198. 3!o( 8-90 I continued to have contact with ! ***ove! the &hone o! th!ough &e!sonal (eetings. ince he lectu!ed all ove! the state, Iacco(&anied hi( to angli, u('a, 5olha&u!, ata!a, 6atnagi!i and othe! &laces. e is a(e('e! of the )ha!ati#a Itihas a(shodha( andal 7Indian societ# fo! histo!ical !esea!ch.In 1990 I was a&&ointed was e(&lo#ed '# *** co(&an# as a sec!eta!#. I ea!ned a sala!# of 6s1100 &e! (onth. %t the co(&an# (# o' was t!ading with diesel engine s&a!e &a!ts. I wouldo!de! su&&lies, ta/e delive!# of  , (a/e out 'ills, !ecove! dues and othe! si(ila! activities.ince the (ain 'usiness was not doing well, he decided in 200 to close cho&. I still continuedto wo!/ fo! hi( as his sec!eta!# and now I ea!n 6s 000. ;n a# 200 (# 'oss (et $!asad $u!ohit and so(e of his colleagues. I was &!esent at thisfi!st encounte!. I lea!nt that $u!ohit was a (ao! in the Indian a!(#. $u!ohit tal/ed a'outIndian #outh and how #oung &eo&le should ente! the I%, I$, the (ilita!# and said hewished to hel& the count!#<s #outh. e floated the idea of a =t!ust> which would co(e to thehel& of the count!#<s #outh.! *** 'eing a s&ecialist in histo!#, a ce!tain 6a/esh ?hawde ca(e to (eet hi(. I /new of ! ?hawde 'ecause he taught a'out ancient histo!# and had founded an o!gani@ation calledIndos which I /new he was !unning. I had 'een to hi( to as/ hi( to t!anslate an ancientdocu(ent w!itten in odi sc!i&t.In Aune 200, in o!de! to set u& the new t!ust, I, $!asad $u!ohit, *** %a# 6ahi!/a!, in all 1-1B of us went to hivai aha!a<s fo!t 6aiga!h to find a good =uhu!at>. e too/ the 'lessings of hivai aha!a<s th!one and decided to na(e the t!ust %'hinav )ha!at and &!a#ed fo! its success. In 3e'!ua!# 200B the %'hinav )a!at t!ust was dul# !egiste!ed. Its chai!(an was ***, t!easu!eswas %a# 6ai/a! and *** 7'lan/ed out we!e a(ong the othe! t!ustees. Che add!ess of the t!ustwas given as 1|04 ant 5!u&a of 5a!ve 6oad, $une 411004. Chis is %a# 6ahi!/a!<s &e!sonaladd!ess. Dven 'efo!e the t!ust was founded, 6ahi!/a! loo/ed afte! all cash t!ansactions, andhad in his custod# all &a&e!s, ***, and /e&t accounts. I have 'een a'le to !ecogni@e thesignatu!es of $!asad $u!ohit and 7 na(es 'lan/ed out with one fe(ale na(e 'lan/ed out. I!ecogni@e the signatu!es of all of the(. Che t!ust<s ai( was to give #oung &eo&le econo(ic,educational, cultu!al and social hel& and to inculcate in the( cultu!al, histo!ical values andt!aditions. Ceach the( aha!asht!a<s he!itage in a!t, cultu!e, (usic so that the# (a/e &!og!ess.

2Che fi!st (eeting of the t!ust too/ &lace in 3e' 200B.% ce!tain s#(&athetic lad#  the t!ust40000 !u&ees and the (one# was de&osited into the account of the %'hinav )ha!at C!usttate )an/ of India, 5asne 6oad )!anch $une. Co (# /nowledge, %'hinav )ha!at &aid acheEue of 22000 !u&ees to the Indos o!gani@ation of 6a/esh ?hawde. )ecause I could not ca!!# on with (# wo!/ fo! the t!ust since I was wo!/ing on $owe!  fo! ***, I !esigned f!o( the t!ust and too/ no inte!est in its activities the!eafte!. Coda# I wasEuestioned a'out the alegaon 'lasts '# &olice office! 5ul!asni and I told hi( all I a'out thet!ust and the (eetings on its wo!/ I also told hi( a'out the (eeting with han/a!acha!#a in Nasi/. I have told all I /now. 3!o( that I !e(e('e! *** was info!(ed '# $u!ohit that the han/a!acha!#a and I eF&!essedthe desi!e to (eet hi(. %s a !esult, (#self and *** went to Nasi/ in Aune 200B at the call of $u!ohit who ca(e to (eet us a!ound 11 a(. e went in $u!ohiti Indica ca! to his !oo(s at theGeolali Ha(&. is wife was in his house then. $u!ohit too/ 'oth of us to the &lace whe!e thehan/a!acha!#a was sta#ing. Che!e we!e 0-40 othe! &eo&le the!e doing &ooa. e waitedoutside with $u!ohit. e (et ! ***, ! *** f!o( u('a who( we /new. %ll these &eo&lehad 'een called '# $u!ohit to (eet the han/a!acha!#a. hen the othe!s ca(e out we wentinto the han/a!acha!#a<s !oo(. ! *** was &!esent as was Hhatu!vedi and a *** f!o( thehiv ena. %nothe! &e!son was int!oduced as an office 'ea!e! of the )A$. e s&o/e fo! 0-40(inutes on the following (atte!s: ! *** said indus had 'eco(e igno!ant a'out thei! own!eligion. indu #outh we!e !unning afte! (one# and ca!ee!s onl#. ! *** said no'od# ca!edfo! indus an#(o!e and that usli(s we!e !eall# &a(&e!ed. usli(s 'ehave ve!# 'adl# andindus acce&t it Euietl#. usli(s (ust 'e taught a lesson. Che!e would 'e a loud 7Gha(a/alite!all# eF&losion noise against the usli(s. 3o! that &u!&ose I<( t!aining (# #oung &eo&le.$!asad $u!ohit said (an# things we!e w!ong in the count!# and needed to 'e !ectified. 3o! that unit# was ve!# i(&o!tant. ! *** said that the 5o!an and adith we!e the hol# 'oo/s of the usli(s who 'ehavedacco!dingl# to the tenets of the sa(e and that we should not 'e sus&icious a'out that. Hhatu!vedi and ! *** did not eF&!ess an o&inion du!ing the (eeting. han/a!acha!#a saidthe indu !eligion (ust 'e defended. indu !eligion is in dange!. It is ou! dut# to defendinduis(. o all indu in the count!# (ust unite. hile the han/a!acha!#a was s&ea/ing tous he had &laced a la&to& on the ta'le. eeing hi( use it astonished (e. %fte! that, *** and *** went togethe! to $u!ohit. %fte! dinne! *** told $u!ohit that hencefo!wa!d we needed no such act that would sow hat!ed 'etween diffe!ent !eligions. )ut that heshould not invite an#one inclined to &lace 'o('s etc to (eetings whe!e the!e would 'e de'atealso that he was o&&osed to an# 'o(' 'lasts, !iots o! violent acts. Chis was clea!l# eF&!essed '# ! *** to $!asad $u!ohit. Chis was 'ecause the %'hinav )ha!at C!ust was not founded to &e!&et!ate violent acts. %fte! that, *** and *** went to $une. Coda# &olice office! ohan 5ul/a!ni showed (e a HG found du!ing the investigation into thealegaon 'o(' 'lasts. In that I was a'le to indentif# ! ***, !*** !*** !*** and ! Hhatu!vedi , $!asad $u!ohit and the voice of the han/a!acha!#a.

%lso I can sa# that the %'hinav )ha!at C!ust inaugu!ation was held at the $a!shu!a(ai/hed/a! Cheat!e in Nasi/. 3o! that ***and *** went f!o( $une. ! *** and ! %si(anand, $u!ohit, and Hhatu!vedi we!e also &!esent. ;n 1 Gec 200 at )HH (edical college we cele'!ated the victo!# ove! $a/istan in the)angladesh wa!. $u!ohit was &!esent fo! that too, as I was. # a!athi decla!ation has 'eent#&ed and !ead to (e. Gated 14|12|2008, witness n° 100)oth (# wife and I a!e eFt!e(el# inte!ested in !eligious stud#. )etween 2 a# 08 to a'out 1Aune 08 we went fo! a wee/ to iddhi ga!den at Cheat!e )!idge, $une. 5isho!i "i#as wasthe!e to lectu!e. 5isho!i and a fa(ous !eligious teache!, ! *** we!e felicitated at theoccasion. Chat was when I (et ! ***. In Aul# 2008 ! *** &honed (e to sa# that the han/a!acha!#a f!o( Aa((u and 5ash(i! would 'e co(ing and as/ed (e if I could &ut hi( u&. I said #es and f!o( 18 Aul# 2008 in the(o!ning of the ?u!u&oo!ni(a 7full (oon at 8 a( han/a!acha!#a ca(e to (# house. I &uthi( u& on the fi!st floo! of the house. %nd we too/ Ga!shan. ince I have health &!o'le(s Icannot cli(' stai!s so I did not go u&stai!s. an# &eo&le ca(e and went 'ut I /new none of the(. Che sa(e da# a!ound 12 noon the han/a!acha!#a went out. Chen in %ugust ha( %&tecalled to as/ if we could house the han/a!acha!#a again. o a!ound ?o/ul %shtani JI don<t!e(e('e! the eFact date- he ca(e 'ac/ to ou! house. ! *** had also co(e to ou! house.Chat evening a!ound 8:0 &( the han/a!acha!#a held a &!ess confe!ence at (# house. etal/ed to the &!ess a'out ha&&enings in A and 5 and s&o/e a'out his wo!/ hel&ing &eo&le andas/ed fo! donations. Chat evening he also (et othe! devotees who ca(e to see hi( and leftthe neFt (o!ning. itness n° 104....I a( the chief $ua!i at the said te(&le. )efo!e %&!il 1999 I wo!/ed at ***.; 7ave ;u! oul a!(ann ?weinne! social and (edical cente! %nang&u!, 3a!ida'ad  .! *** used to (eet (e. e was also the *** at the Hha/eshwa! a!i $a!wat andi!. Chesaid te(&le 'eing located on a hill the!e was need fo! a #oung &ua!i who could cli(' u& anddown the hill without &!o'le(.I !eceive 6s 00 as sala!#. Che said te(&le is also (aintained '# the institution desc!i'eda'ove. ince %ugust 0B !s *** is the &!oect (anage! of the te(&le and ! *** (anagesthe te(&le. Che!e is a satsang office at the 'otto( of the hill and a Gev andi! on the to& of the hill. ;nthe weste!n side of the te(&le the!e a!e !oo(s with toilets and a hall. I su&e!vise the wo!/ of ga!dene!s,  secu!it# gua!ds and 1 cleane!.