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What should we be experiencing?

If a person is actually executing devotional service, then he must be happy. If he's not happy, then he's not doing properly. So first thing is this. He might be doing something in the name of devotional service. If he's actually rendering devotional service, then he must be feeling. Just like if you are eating actually, then you must feel strength and satisfaction of your hunger. You cannot say, "I'm eating, but I'm not satisfied of my hunger." That is impossible… Then he has to rectify the process of his service. Not to change but to rectify the process….If you are actually executing devotional service, you must feel happy. If you don’t feel happy, then you are not executing. There is some flaw.”

Lecture 1968


there be good fortune throughout the universe, and may all envious persons be pacified. May all living entities become calm by practicing bhakti-yoga, for by accepting devotional service they will think of each other’s welfare. Therefore let us all engage in the service of the supreme transcendence, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and always remain absorbed in thought of Him.” SB 5.18.9 verse

By regularly hearing. many persons. abandoned their mundane homes and took to the forest. including great kings. SB 10.50 . For this purpose. where the inviolable power of death holds no sway. chanting and meditating on the beautiful topics of Lord Mukunda with ever-increasing sincerity. a mortal being will attain the divine kingdom of the Lord.90.

“Lord Caitanya has said that in this age no one needs to change his position. If one is fortunate enough to take shelter of a pure devotee. but one should give up the endeavor to understand the Absolute Truth by speculative reasoning.” Bg 13. hear from him about self-realization and follow in his footsteps. one will be gradually elevated to the position of a pure devotee.26 . One should learn to become the servant of those who are in knowledge of the Supreme Lord.

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what can we do about it? .If we are not experiencing the above.

“Caitanya Mahaprabhu…says: sadhu-sanga sadhu-sanga sarva-sastre kaya..11].54].1.” Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 6. lava-matra sadhu-sange sarva-siddhi haya [Cc.. Madhya 22. 1972 . Sadhu-sanga is very important. If we can associate with real sadhu. lava-matra sadhu-sanga. anyabhilasita-sunyam jnanakarmady-anavrtam [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.47 -.. unadulterated devotee.. December 12. means real devotee. then the recommendation is that simply by associating with sadhu all perfection will come.Ahmedabad. Sadhu-sanga sadhu-sanga sarva.

30.The topmost benediction for those who are living in this material world and are subjected to the repetition of birth and death is association with pure devotees. even though living within the material world. That will make one completely happy.34 . SB 4. One should search out such pure devotees and remain with them.

34 . first of all. seek the association of pure devotees who not only are learned in the Vedanta but are self-realized souls and unalloyed devotees of Lord Sri Krsna.5. the Personality of Godhead SB 1.The summary is that one has to.

To serve the topmost devotee means to hear from him about the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. By serving him only. or the devotee. one can transcend the qualitative material condition. In this verse it is recommended (yogesvara-upasanaya) that one serve the lotus feet of the topmost yogi.One should take shelter of a pure devotee.22. SB 4.22 . who has nothing to do with this material world but is simply engaged in devotional service.

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But still.Therefore our method is to accept the perfect guru to understand the subject matter. if one reads the books as it is from authorities. ‘76 . Room conversation. there is chance of understanding.

1 .2. SB 1. Both the Bhagavatas are competent remedies.There are two types of Bhagavatas. and both of them or either of them can be good enough to eliminate the obstacles. namely the book Bhagavata and the devotee Bhagavata.

and you will utilize. I shall live forever in my books. Press conference ‘75 .Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die? Prabhupada: I will never die.

You may please me the most by reading my books and following the instructions therein and by becoming fully Krishna Conscious in this life time. Letter ‘74 .

……Your first job should be to make sure that every one of the devotees in your zone of management is reading regularly our literatures and discussing the subject matter seriously from different angles of seeing. but the first business should be to preach to the devotees.You mention you like to speak now very often. now we must fix-up what devotees we have got in the knowledge of Krishna Consciousness. then very easily they will perform tapasya or renunciation and that will be their advancement in Krishna Consciousness.. 1972 . then we will succeed. and that they are somehow or other absorbing the knowledge of Krishna Consciousness philosophy. Don't be too much concerned for the time being with nondevotees.Los Angeles 16 June. If they are fully educated in our philosophy and if they can get all of the knowledge and study it from every viewpoint. many devotees if none of them are knowledgeable? Letter to: Satsvarupa -. …. So you introduce this system and train the devotees first. What good are many. It is better to maintain a devotee than to try to convince others to become devotees.

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44 .Simple hearing is not all.3. one must realize the text with proper attention SB 1. .

19 .Simply to hear like the hogs is not sufficient. one must be able to understand from the authorities. Bg 15.

Nor by independent study of books of knowledge can one progress in spiritual life. Bg 4.34 purport .

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How should we associate with Srila Prabhupada’s

…one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life.
SB 3.31.48 purport

… one has to seek the association of devotees, and by such association, when one contemplates and tries to understand the transcendental activities of the Lord, the path to liberation is open, and he is freed.
SB 3.25.25

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Lecture ‘76 . But if one understands. It is not very difficult. Then we'll understand Krsna very easily. If some way or other.. he becomes liberated. people cannot understand. simply we have to associate with devotees and discuss this literature.Generally..

" lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.18]. Abhadra. That is our mission. try to understand the meaning.1 -.2. So these dirty things can be cleansed simply by Krsna consciousness.1. So utilize it. Nasta-prayesv abhadresu nityam bhagavata-sevaya [SB 1. I may give you some books who you can enjoy after my death. discuss amongst yourselves.July 6. 1972 .“I am therefore so much laboring hard that … before my leaving this body. Read every sloka nicely. Utilize it. Nityam bhagavata-sevaya. we have got so many dirty things within our heart.

Bg 15. one comes to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As a result of such discussion in the association of devotees.3-4 .Therefore one must learn detachment by discussion of spiritual science based on authoritative scriptures. and one must hear from persons who are actually in knowledge.

1 purport . and if a fortunate person has such association and tries to assimilate the knowledge. then he will surely make advancement toward spiritual realization.Discussion of Krsna is very potent. Bg 9.

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…unless and until one is trained in the culture of good association. one cannot become good.3.6 purport . SB 3.

One should learn how to associate with the devotees of the Lord by gathering with them to chant the glories of the Lord. As devotees thus develop their loving friendship. they feel mutual happiness and satisfaction. This process is most purifying.30 . SB 11. And by thus encouraging one another they are able to give up material sense gratification.3. which is the cause of all suffering.

"In order to become really learned. and this training is given by the devotees." TLK Vs 25-26 . This requires a little training. we have to associate with devotees. krsna-katha is pleasing to the heart and ear. Then we can actually relish krsna-katha. When DISCUSSED AMONG DEVOTEES.

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How should we discuss Srila Prabhupada’s purports? .

. and explaining is called kirtana. The two processes of sravana and kirtana are of primary importance to progressive spiritual life. One can assimilate the knowledge of the revealed scriptures only by hearing and explaining.To hear and explain them is more important than reading them. Hearing is called sravana.6 purport.1. Only one who has properly grasped the transcendental knowledge from the right source by submissive hearing can properly explain the subject. SB 1.

SB 2.Hearing is solidified by the process of chanting.2.36 purport . One who has perfectly heard from the perfect source becomes convinced about the all- pervading Personality of Godhead and thus becomes enthusiastic in glorifying the Lord.

we have to repeat it. even in material things.55-56 . And what to speak of spiritual?" Lecture New York."When we will learn something. 1966 Bhagavad-gita 2.

Not exactly parrot. he simply vibrates. Not difficult at all. otherwise how you can explain?” Lecture April 7. Parrot does not understand the meaning. Everything is stated there. We have to simply repeat like parrot. 1975 . But you should understand the meaning also." So one who is spreading krsna-upadesa. then you become acarya. simply repeat what is said by Krsna.

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TLK Vs 34 . topics about Krsna. and krsna-katha is not a subject matter for a debate club.Actually Vedic scripture is krsna-katha.

I am very much stressing nowadays that my students shall increase their reading of my books and try to understand them from different angles of vision. many angles of vision. Letter ‘72 . so become practiced in seeing things like this. Each sloka can be seen from many.

8-9 Lord Caitanya speaks to Sanatana Goswami: "I do not recall what I spoke in that connection.” . but by the strength of your association something may manifest itself.” "Generally by Myself I cannot give an explanation.CC M 24. but if something comes to My mind due to association with you. I shall explain it.

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Then you'll understand Krsna. Lecture 1976 . So these verses should be studied very carefully.So by studying Krsna. understanding each word very carefully. you become liberated.

And there are eighteen thousand verses.And each and every verse is so important that if a serious student studies each and every verse. it will take eighteen thousand months. So for serious study of Srimad-Bhagavatam. each verse will take at least one month to understand. Lecture 1974 .

” Bg 1.“…one should read Bhagavad-gita very scrutinizingly with the help of a person who is a devotee of Sri Krsna and try to understand it without personally motivated interpretations.1 purport .

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One should not speak in such a way as to agitate the minds of others… This is penance as far as talking is concerned. Bg 17. The process of speaking in spiritual circles is to say something upheld by the scriptures.15 purport . such talk should be very pleasurable to the ear. Besides that. At the same time. One should at once quote from scriptural authority to back up what he is saying. one should not talk nonsense.

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and then. You will gradually develop your attachment for hearing it. you will make progress. and it appeals to you. Apply your logic. Apply it and try to understand it. …. or even does not appeal to you. you have got arguments. you have got sense.Suppose you hear something of the Bhagavad-gita. You have got reason.. Lecture 1966 . gradually. and devotional service will be invoked in your heart. Just try to think over: "What Bhagavad-gita says? How Swamiji has discussed this matter?" Apply your arguments.. Don't take it as a sentiment or as a blind faith. …Then you will feel.

not making question to avoid it. That question will not help you. and if you want to capture Krsna. then Krsna will help you to avoid.Make your question to understand it. There are two kinds of question. then Krsna will help you how you can capture. If you try to avoid. Lecture 1968 .

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we should associate.If we associate with saintly persons and hear from them Bhagavad-gita and other Vedic literatures. and pleasing to the ear. Then gradually you'll become faithful to the Supreme. apply in your life."Those who are expert in giving knowledge." lecture on Bhagavad-gita 13. hrt. Sraddha bhaktir ratir. …. …. 1973 . then sraddha bhaktir ratir anukramisyati. You'll develop your natural instincts of devotional service.6-7 -. September 29. And if you bring them into practical purposes. This is the process. then … it becomes appealing to the heart. Anukramisyati. one after another. Sraddha bhaktir.Bombay. attachment.

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Benefits we should be experiencing if we are discussing properly .

become convinced yourself of this knowledge and without a doubt all of your difficulties of mind will disappear forever and you will see Krishna face-to-face. Letter ‘72 .Try to always study our books and see our philosophy from different lights of directions.

who therefore favors such devotees with all enlightenment.Such exchanges of thoughts in regard to Krsna give pleasure to the Lord.49 purport . CC Adi Lila 1.

SB 2.1. and everyone wants the fullest extent of happiness in life. The perfect process for achieving this.5 purport . whoever he may be. By hearing about and glorifying the Lord. …Everyone wants to be free from all kinds of fear. here and now. and thus all conceptions of material miseries become completely vanquished. and it will lead one to the ultimate success in everything in which one may be engaged by providence. is recommended in the Srimad-Bhagavatam…. all a person's activities become molded into spiritual activities.This process of hearing about and glorifying the Lord is applicable for everyone.

.Be engaged always in reading Srimad-Bhagavatam. Lecture 1975 . if you take it as an official routine work. but with consciousness that "We have to learn something. In this way make your life successful. but to learn something. Otherwise." not simply attending the class. Then you'll make progress. You should take as routine work.. discussing amongst yourself.

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What is the danger of not discussing Srila Prabhupada’s purports correctly? .

Sat-sanga means assembly. So. Room Conversation – 1973 . but not that whole day and night engaged and no sat-sanga. they are fools and rascals. for association.. and it will spoil the whole structure. then you are finished. That is not life. Bodhayantah parasparam. karmis. That is karmi's life. tusyanti ca ramanti ca. discussion. You have no time for sat-sanga. it is not that you should be engaged from morning till you go to bed for sense gratification. If you are not interested in association.What is the value of this association? Sat-sanga. When you have got this center. discussion. We have to work for organization.. You cannot make any progress by this sort of karmi's life. That is a misguided policy.

then it will be thought that "Our Guru Maharaja has given a burden in the neck. but galagraha.. “ lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 1. Unless there is life of sravanam kirtanam. temples. If you don't hear. And gradually it will be stopped. That's all. Otherwise all this labor will be futile. Nobody is interested. what he will do. So this is difficulty. will become burden. that we are not very much interested in hearing. Without hearing.19 -. such things. this is our main business. It will be burden. But if we are not interested in hearing and speak. what you will do? You will do simply sense gratification. if we want to create burden for future. Our bhakti begins: sravanam kirtanam visnoh [SB 7. nest for the doves and the pigeons. galagraha. 1974 .Mayapura. Galagraha.5. So we must be very much alert in sravanam kirtanam.23]. So if we give up this sravanam kirtanam visnoh. Sravanam. That is being done. Galagraha. This building will be only the nest. So if we are.8. September 29. Not sri-vigraha. We have to hear and we have to speak. simply formula. then it will be the same thakura-bari(?). That is the danger. big buildings." This is the danger. Such. And that is the main business.. That's all.• “Why they are going? They are busy in some other work? Eh? Ugra-karma. nonsense? Sravanam kirtanam. then we may give up this hearing and chanting and sleep very nicely. these big. Srivigraha means worshipable Deity.

By sat-sanga."So those who are of the dog's mentality. by satam-prasangan. Satam prasangan mama virya-samvido bhavanti hrt-karna-rasayanah kathah [SB 3. This is called sat-sanga. Just like you are hearing from the sastra. July 20.then we can learn about the unlimited potencies of Krsna. by mixing with them-satam prasangan mama virya-samvido -. it is difficult for them. by real spiritual association. Madhya-lila 20. monkey mentality. Then it becomes very pleasing to the heart and to the ear.New York. This is called sat-sanga. cat's mentality. and we are speaking from the sastra. by talking with them. Otherwise it is not possible. 1976 . Mama virya-samvido bhavanti hrt-karna-rasayanah kathah. They have to change their mentality by sat-sanga.25.25]." lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta.112 -.

In human society. aversion to the principles of understanding the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the cause of all falldowns. Bg 16. That is the greatest offense of human life.24 purport .

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“ TLK Vs 25-26 ."In addition. Sri Sanatana Gosvami in his Hari-bhakti-vilasa recommends that one should not hear Bhagavad-gita. the Srimad-Bhagavatam or any hari-katha from anyone who is not a Vaisnava IN HIS ACTIONS. the puranas.

and gambling. finer things. 1973 . That is not possible."To understand…… It requires little cool brain. intoxication.5 -. you cannot think of higher. namely illicit sex. If your brain is congested always with all these four rubbish things. Therefore we restrict. But that cool brain cannot act without …giving up these four things. August 13. to make the brain clear to understand about Krsna…. “ lecture on Bhagavad-gita 13.Paris. meat-eating.

and sometimes the student questions to the teacher.. these questions and answers are required.“So sometimes the disciple and the spiritual master. That is the instruction in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. the relationship is like that. and teacher replies. there is no necessity of accepting a spiritual master. and student replies. Sometimes the teacher questions to the student.” Lecture ’66 . …. Unless one is very inquisitive. To develop knowledge. This is called istagosthi.

“The best process for making the home pleasant is Krsna consciousness. because this process of Krsna consciousness is very easy. Hare Krsna. Hare Hare. Hare Hare/ Hare Rama. If one is in full Krsna consciousness. Rama Rama. accept the remnants of foodstuffs offered to Krsna. One need only chant Hare Krsna.8-12 . he can make his home very happy. and engage oneself in Deity worship.” Bg 13. These four things will make one happy. Hare Rama. have some discussion on books like Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. Krsna Krsna.

Bhagavadgita and Upanisads. Friendship should be cemented between persons with mutual interests and understanding” SB 3.“There are innumerable books. Bhagavatam. which contain countless subjects for discussion among two devotees or more. Mahabharata. such as the puranas.17 .29.

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Concluding quotes .

SB 2. it means that not only should one chant and hear of the holy name of the Lord as Rama. the bhaktiyoga creeper will begin to grow. as mentioned above.30 . and by a regular watering process.When we speak of hearing and chanting. The primary practice of bhakti-yoga will cause the seed already sowed in heart to sprout.2. Krsna … but one should also read and hear the Bhagavad-gita and SrimadBhagavatam in the association of devotees.

back to Godhead.14.3 .The word jivanti indicates that a devotee who always hears about Lord Krsna will go back home. even if he can do nothing except maintain his existence and hear topics concerning the Lord. SB 10.

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Advice from Kamandaka Muni on how to improve our discussions .

Actually hearing what others say. True wisdom. The capacity to grasp the meaning of what others say. 7. The inclination to hear what others say. . Retentiveness.• The eight virtues characterizing intelligence are: 1. 2. Reasoning against a proposition. • 5. Reasoning in favour of a proposition. 4. Insight into the meaning of what others say 8. 6. 3.

understand and remember what others say. . We also need to know how to properly put our own point across. we need to PRIMARILY learn to deeply hear.The message we get is: To become wise.

Some Recommended Discussion Protocols .

. NEVER with our response (questions).ALWAYS start with our understanding.

• End each attempt with “Would you like to say more?” • Having understood a question.When understanding each other • Be sure to stick closely to understanding the other person’s point without including your own thoughts on what they have said. ask: “Do you have any insights on your own question?” .. This will make it easier for all concerned to focus on one point at a time and prevent the discussion from becoming confused and difficult to follow.

This will help your partner remain involved in the discussion.” .When speaking • Don’t say too much at a time so your partner can more easily understand you. “Thank you. • Always thank the person who has understood you. You almost understood me. explain why: Eg. • Stop speaking when you have finished one point. But I would like to add some thing. • Let your partner respond to the point you have made before you make another one. I just want to clarify one point. You understood me perfectly. Don’t carry on speaking just because your partner invites you to do so. • If you want to add more. They are doing the hardest work. so it’s important we appreciate their effort.” Or “Thank you.

Do I have any ‘so whats’? . Do I have any confusions about the literal meaning of the sentence? Eg. Do I need to deepen my initial understanding? 4.Lead Your Responses with a Question in following order: 1. Word meanings. confusing sentence structure. Do I have any doubts or misgivings about what I have understood? 3. 2. Do I have any important insights from what I’ve understood? 5.

• The responses (questions) have to be done expertly to assist the hearing…just like the instruments in kirtan have to be played expertly to assist the hearing. .One Last Point: Analogy of discussion with kirtan… • We can do a good discussion with enthusiastic understandings only…just like we can have a good kirtan with enthusiastic chanting only.